Gas Is About to Get Expensive! Carrera GT Values Skyrocket! $100K Subaru STI?!

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Filippo.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  I'm Crazy Nick.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. Nick, stand up. Stand up. Show us what you're wearing today. What is this, Nick, that you have here for us?

• 1:18Speaker 03

  Someone sent us some beautiful swag, which I'm a large, usually medium on the short, but whatever you would like. But the Fast and the Furious exhibit is coming to the Peterson. I assume that's why it was sent to us and like, look at this drip.

• 1:32Doug DeMuro?

  Show us the pants again.

• 1:33Speaker 03

  The pants, they say.

• 1:35Doug DeMuro?

  The pants say Fast and the Furious all over. At some point it says pockets ain't empty, which of course the famous line from Fast 2, which is our favorite. Filippo's in mine.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, there's something.

• 1:44Doug DeMuro?

  They're really something. You gonna wear these, you gonna wear these around or?

• 1:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. All right. Let's start with, that's some news.

• 1:52Doug DeMuro?

  Let's start with some real news, which is the Carrera GT. Filippo, have you been following Carrera GT prices?

• 2:00Speaker 04

  Incredibly.

• 2:01Speaker 03

  Against our will.

• 2:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay. There is a Gulf Blue, by the time you're watching this video, it'll be today. Gulf Blue Carrera GT, there are only like 30 paint to sample Carrera GTs.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  Out of how many were made?

• 2:15Doug DeMuro?

  In the US, there were 650 Carrera GTs, only 30 were paint to sample. The reason for that is Carrera GT buyers are not annoying pedants. They're people who wanted to actually enjoy a car, rather than be like, "I've got a green, and it only existed during 1970." Anyway. But one of them's coming up for sale, and it's Gulf Blue, which is a color that some people like.

• 2:37Speaker 04

  I...

• 2:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, I do, some people do. I have been anxiously watching the Carrera GT pricing. And I'm nervous to drive my car. And I have not driven my car all that much in the last few months.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Prices have increased, you think, what, 30% since you bought?

• 2:55Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, considerably more.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  More than that?

• 2:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'll tell you this, Johnny Lieberman and his pals, over at that company that buys cars and sells them for profit.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Their shirts, maybe I'm wearing their shirt.

• 3:07Doug DeMuro?

  Drift, it's like Drift Capital. Johnny Lieberman had signed on to some company that buys cars as investments and then resells them later. They bought a Carrera GT publicly, two and a half years ago, for 1.7 million, and sold it this week for 3.3, all in including fees, which is 100% increase. If you take fees out of both transactions, it was like an 86% increase. And I compared it to the stock market, and the market's up like 51% in that time. And, yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  Serious.

• 3:35Doug DeMuro?

  It's real.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  You gotta stop driving, you gotta just sell your car.

• 3:37Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think I should sell?

• 3:38Speaker 04

  I do.

• 3:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'm nervous, I'm very nervous to drive it. I did drive it here today, it's over there, and it is such an amazing experience.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Would it be better if it was Gulf Blue?

• 3:49Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, but it would be more special. I think a lot of people would consider it more special. I, after all this time, I still think, I have come around to the belief that silver is the best color for that car.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:59Doug DeMuro?

  I still don't like the 4GT, my 4GT color. I still wish my 4GT was a different color. Nonetheless, this is being sold at Broad Arrow, which is Hagerty's auction. Maybe, is that a competitor to us?

• 4:11Speaker 04

  They do in-person auctions of.

• 4:14Doug DeMuro?

  In-person, high-end cars. They're probably a competitor, but if you're gonna watch, you should. They got this thing, they have a $6 million estimate on it.

• 4:23Speaker 04

  How many miles?

• 4:24Doug DeMuro?

  I don't, 2000.

• 4:25Speaker 04

  Oh, that's more than I expected for 6 mil.

• 4:27Doug DeMuro?

  But 6 million estimate. The last two Carrera GTs that just sold, sold for over $3 million.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Yours is high mile in the world of Carrera GT.

• 4:35Doug DeMuro?

  In the world of USA Carrera GTs minus high mile, yeah. They pretty commonly come up in Europe with 20, 30,000 miles, kilometers, yeah. Pretty common.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  You're at.

• 4:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'm approaching 16,000.

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Wow, you've done 6,000 miles since buying?

• 4:46Doug DeMuro?

  I've done 6,000 miles. And, you know, I have definitely lost value as a result of that. However, there are probably only a few dozen people on the planet that have done 6,000 miles in a Carrera GT.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  Also, if the value of the car is up 80%.

• 5:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, it's okay. And you know what? I was driving it today and I've been a little bit beating myself up about the miles, some of which have been kind of BS.

• 5:08Doug DeMuro?

  And I drove it into work today and I was like, of course I've done 6,000 miles in a car. It is the greatest damn drive that has ever existed.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Being, being, being friends with Doug DeMuro, is this getting subjected to that constantly? Like, once a day, we have to hear how great the car is.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  But then if you drive a different car.

• 5:23Doug DeMuro?

  Or Countach. No, no, no, only the Carrera GT and the Countach.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Or the G-Wagon.

• 5:26Doug DeMuro?

  Both occupied, no.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Or the 993.

• 5:28Doug DeMuro?

  Never talked about how great that car is. And I never will.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Every summer, we get, unrequested, they're like.

• 5:35Doug DeMuro?

  Photos. But there's never, I'm never sitting there going, boy, this thing's great.

• 5:40Doug DeMuro?

  No, I think you should go back and look. I don't think, I don't think I'm ever on the record talking about how that car is anything other than kind of stupid.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  If there's one thing I know that is true, is whatever you most recently drove is the greatest car.

• 5:51Doug DeMuro?

  No, the Carrera GT is the greatest driving car and the Countach is the greatest car and that's it. There are no exceptions.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  Remember when he had his Kia Stinger and everything?

• 5:58Doug DeMuro?

  Kia Stinger.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Greatest car ever made.

• 6:00Doug DeMuro?

  That is certainly not the greatest car ever made, but that Stinger GT is such a dick. Pull up Stinger GTs. What are we selling them for? What are we selling them for? The market. Can you get them for under 20? Yes. Is that true?

• 6:12Speaker 04

  I mean, we only sell really nice ones, but.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  We have it in the market report, but you can get some good cars for under 20 now.

• 6:17Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, Nick doesn't understand the nuance. Nick is not a nuanced man. He's.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  I'm a GT2 guy, not a GT1 guy.

• 6:23Doug DeMuro?

  And so he doesn't understand the nuance. When I say the greatest car ever made versus the greatest driving car ever made. The greatest car ever made is the Countach. It just is. That's just true. That's objective. I think that's objective.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  It's not that I don't understand the nuance. I stopped listening to you as soon as you say greatest.

• 6:38Doug DeMuro?

  These are, these are under 20 grand.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Under 20 grand. I mean, what did you buy? It was 30 grand two years ago.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's a Kia.

• 6:44Doug DeMuro?

  Five years ago, six years ago.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  10 years.

• 6:46Doug DeMuro?

  I love this car.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  There you go. There's yours. Wow, that was all the money.

• 6:50Doug DeMuro?

  Well, then it was, it was COVID. I mean, crazy stuff was going on. I love this car. I still do.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Well, let's, let's hope that Carrera GT sells for a big number. You should keep driving yours regardless.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  I'm worried he'll sell for a low number, so he'd drive it more.

• 7:05Doug DeMuro?

  Are you not worried? Are you not anxious when I drive my car now?

• 7:08Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 7:09Doug DeMuro?

  Really? Should I be? Would you be if you were me?

• 7:12Speaker 03

  I mean, you've got this thing insured. There are other Carrera GTs if something horrible happened, like life would go on. I didn't want you to get injured.

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  The insurer would never insure me on anything again. They wouldn't insure me on a, on a, on a wheeled office.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Well, now that you just plugged their auction coming up, like you guys are good.

• 7:26Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, Hagerty, I'm gonna crash it, but you'll keep.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  No, it depends on what happens. Be reasonable. If somebody hits you, they, they will cover you in the future.

• 7:34Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, I'm terrified.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:35Doug DeMuro?

  Move on to the next story. But I'm still enjoying it. You, did you enjoy seeing it when you walked in today?

• 7:41Speaker 03

  I did. Actually, it looks, it looks good.

• 7:43Doug DeMuro?

  It does.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  And you keep it pretty clean.

• 7:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm proud of you.

• 7:46Speaker 04

  He spends more time washing the wheels than he does driving it.

• 7:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's true with my 993, but not any of my other cars. The Ford GT is so dirty right now and I gotta take it to cars. Anyway, move on. Oh, boy.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Also scary.

• 7:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my god. What's happening? There's a boat in another boat. This must be a car news story.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Yep. Uh, we are currently waging war in Iran. And it turns out that about a fifth of the world's oil is transported to the Strait of Hormuz.

• 8:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  There are a lot of concerns about ship safety through the strait. And as a result, there's a lot of concerns about both oil production release and transport of oil.

• 8:20Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Which generally analysts expect will mean that gas prices in the US and everywhere else go up. So they went up by the most they've gone up in a single day overnight on Monday.

• 8:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:31Speaker 04

  By 11%. There's expectation that gas prices will go up a little bit more. And that is the car connection.

• 8:37Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, what are we gonna do?

• 8:38Speaker 03

  You know what? The, the, as constant as time, I, I remember when gas went from like $1 to $2 and everyone's like, we gotta find Geo Metro's and, oh, my gosh, the excursion, how wasteful. We, we overreact both directions and think, oh, well, now we gotta get EVs again. This, this will pass.

• 8:53Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, do you have any, any comments on Trump came in and said he was gonna be the affordability president? Everything would get cheaper. He showed up, implemented tariffs and went to war with Iran. Do you have any comment on that and what has therefore happened? I don't want to be the one who says anything because people get mad at me, but you're wearing that and clearly have no shame.

• 9:12Speaker 03

  I have no defense to that statement. I, I mean, we'll see. There, there have always been skirmishes related to oil production, again, going back many, many wars.

• 9:22Doug DeMuro?

  Geopolitical analysis for Nick here.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Yes. I was a poly sci major.

• 9:26Doug DeMuro?

  There you go. Skirmishes related to oil production?

• 9:29Speaker 03

  So we'll, we'll see. I mean, if this drags on for a while, yes, that could impact oil prices in a way that impacts our ability to daily drive.

• 9:36Doug DeMuro?

  I want you specifically to talk about Trump and affordability. That's where I want us. We can bring it into cars. There's tariffs, there's gas prices. How do you feel about that?

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Gas prices aren't a good indicator of the overall problem of inflation. They are maybe a contributing factor, but people get like, oh, the price of eggs. It's like, okay, well, eggs are like one asset or one good that you should factor into a CPI. But they are not the totality of such. And so, yes, gas prices go up and down over time. They are not constant.

• 10:04Doug DeMuro?

  He's like an apologist for Trump. You know what? So they go up, so they go down.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  I just love when Nick actually.

• 10:10Doug DeMuro?

  The tariffs, the other country pays the tariffs, not us.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  I go out of my way to make sure no one can guess where I stand on the issues.

• 10:17Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, let me ask you this question. Now that the tariffs have been repealed, are you, because you paid him for both the A2 and the multiplier,

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:24Doug DeMuro?

  are you going to go to Trump and say, I want my 400?

• 10:27Speaker 04

  By the way, you theoretically could.

• 10:30Doug DeMuro?

  I think so.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, just shoot him an email.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  The US government is requesting a bunch of additional time to come up with a process for tariff refunds. Keep in mind, there are still 10% refunds across the board that are going up to 15% theoretically this week. Europe may be accepting.

• 10:44Doug DeMuro?

  Refunds?

• 10:45Speaker 04

  No, additional tariffs under.

• 10:47Doug DeMuro?

  But the tariffs were ruled unconstitutional and you paid them.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  I want to be really clear because.

• 10:52Doug DeMuro?

  You have been constitutionally wronged and you need to be made whole.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  I did recently buy a nanocom scanner for my P38 from Great Britain and I was worried about the tariffs. And now I don't have to, DHL would just like send you a bill for like a hundred bucks and be like, this is what we calculated it. It made no sense. I just paid it. So.

• 11:12Doug DeMuro?

  Really? You paid that one too?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  We're gonna start buying stuff. No, not for this one, but for my multiple stuff, like it just ended up being.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. I want to be really clear because people do come to us for actual facts. There are a lot of tariffs that were applied over the last year. Some of them are still considered by the Supreme Court to be legal. And so still apply. So there was a subset under specific authorization that did not. But all of the kind of national security related ones, related to production of steel, et cetera, still apply. And there's additional tariffs now 10% globally, going up to 15% globally with maybe some carve outs.

• 11:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is why I gotta get the C55 wagon in now. I gotta bring that thing in now.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  Following my footsteps.

• 11:49Doug DeMuro?

  Or we gotta change the VIN so it starts with a four. All right. Gas prices shooting up, Carrera GT prices shooting up. What else is there?

• 11:56Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 11:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, someone's shooting up a Cayenne.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  957, baby.

• 12:02Speaker 00

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• 12:30Doug DeMuro?

  I have so many questions. There was not a hybrid Cayenne on this generation. They were just trying it all out.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  I like that they use the Trans-Siberia sort of scripting on the side here.

• 12:41Doug DeMuro?

  Like the Trans-Siberia was like Trans-Siberia. Here they're, oh, the hybrid.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  Well, and the Trans-Siberia was kind of a Louis car when it came out, too.

• 12:47Doug DeMuro?

  Deeply.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Now it's cool.

• 12:49Doug DeMuro?

  This is Saturn V hybrid level stuff. All right, regardless, we're not actually talking about the Cayenne.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  He's like our dad trying to keep us so badly on topic.

• 12:55Doug DeMuro?

  So trying. I'm really trying. Chuck E. Cheese! This is an important news story, Felipe, but what do you get?

• 12:59Speaker 04

  All right, so Porsche, we've been talking, we've talked in the past about how they're planning on coming out with a flagship SUV. Audi is going to come out with the Q9, which will be their new largest SUV. Porsche will have an equivalent model that they have codenamed K1. Since we first learned about this, it was supposed to be an electric-only model. But now, they have confirmed that it will be launched with a V6, a V8 and some plug-in hybrid powertrands. Electric is still going to come, but down the line. Apparently, they're not happy with, let's be honest, where demand is. And also apparently with their actual development of the electrical component.

• 13:32Doug DeMuro?

  You've got to wonder what it's like in Porsche right now. Like, all these things that were like set in stone, probably frozen, like past the, you know, where the design freezes, they're like completely have to rethink all these cars. And you know that some styling decisions are made on electric vehicles that wouldn't have been made in gas vehicles, so you have to assume there's styling and design changes. Totally.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  Because if you're designing a dress for EV, you don't have to worry about cooling the same way. You don't have to worry about air.

• 13:58Doug DeMuro?

  But you are worried about aero a little bit more. You're worried that you're worried about maybe a larger like low footprint.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure. Your, your, your, your sound deadening and isolation is different because of different noises.

• 14:08Doug DeMuro?

  Thin that comes on that kind, you know, I gotta tell you.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  I still haven't seen a Cayenne EV.

• 14:12Doug DeMuro?

  You won't.

• 14:12Speaker 04

  They're not for.

• 14:12Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta tell you, I drove up to LA to shoot the Cayenne EV in whenever that was because it was just coming out. It was a big deal. They had a few of us come to some studio and shoot it. I shot it along with a bunch of other new cars that were coming out in December last year.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 14:25Doug DeMuro?

  No one watched that video.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  Boy, my.

• 14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Which is an indicator, I think, of demand for that car.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Yep. Uh, this will in theory come out in the Q9 will come out in 2027. This will come out like 18 months later, some of that, uh, four seat, five seat and seven seat layout. It would in theory will be the first seven seat Porsche.

• 14:44Doug DeMuro?

  This is a Range Rover competitor. Are you aware of that?

• 14:46Speaker 03

  It's, I mean, I'm shocked they haven't done that yet.

• 14:48Doug DeMuro?

  You are, well, I think Porsche has had trouble trying to get a vehicle of that size to conform to their desires and requirements for performance handling and all that. But I think at some point, these automakers just realized it's all about the Benjamins. You know, I just reviewed the new X5 or the original X5, the first X5. And BMW was so concerned about the M brand at that time being put on an SUV that they didn't allow it. And the, the high performance versions of the original X5 were called the 4.6 IS and the 4.8 IS.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  And those were so cool.

• 15:22Doug DeMuro?

  They were so cool. Now the M brand has been applied to every tube sock that they can sell on their website.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  They've learned that that's how you sell cars.

• 15:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  By the way, fun fact, this will be built in Slovakia alongside the Q9 and the Cayenne hybrid, or excuse me, the Cayenne EV.

• 15:38Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I still don't understand that.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Which Slovakia is a country.

• 15:43Doug DeMuro?

  I've been there. Have you been to Slovakia? Love Bratislava. Great town. Saw some cool cars there.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  My favorite part of this picture is how clearly you can see the plastic window regulators that you know are broken on every car built in this generation by now. I have done so many window regulators, why they ever made them out of the chintziest plastic known to humankind.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  I've done, I, I had an E53 X5, just like that one, also stick, and I replaced two windows regulator in the six months I owned it.

• 16:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you this, I, I worked at Porsche when this generation kind was on sale and I will never forget. It was the recession and we were just coming out of the recession and, um, Previously, they had allowed company cars to be kind of flamboyantly ordered and the company would lose money on them, but the employees were happy. In the recession, that all stopped. And every single Cayenne we ordered during the recession was on these 12-inch

• 16:29Speaker 03

  Deep base.

• 16:30Doug DeMuro?

  Deep base wheels, base model Cayenne, no full leather, the dash looked like elephant skin. It was just an atro- it was a depressing period.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  This is what you want now, though, because for an off-road build, having the smaller brakes that you could fit like beefy tires on.

• 16:44Doug DeMuro?

  Every Cayenne we ordered for the company was a base V6.

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• 17:57Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  Hybrid's definitely the way to go. I'm excited for that when it comes out.

• 18:01Doug DeMuro?

  Big news, Jay Leno has a 1954 Buick. Folks, I bet you didn't expect- No, the Leno's Law thing is back on the books in California. It won't pass because our legislature is a bunch of... I'm not gonna say the words I'm thinking.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  We know how he feels about gas prices.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  So, last year we talked about a set of bill, 712, that would have increased exemptions for classic cars.

• 18:29Doug DeMuro?

  In California. The goal was that California, right now, classic cars going back to 76 or something have to be smog. And it's obviously laughable. Nobody does it. Everybody just registers in Arizona and Montana. And so finally, someone put forth a rational thing here, like, hey, let's just exempt these cars from smog. Nobody's driving 19, early 80s cars anyway, because they were all utter [BLEEP]. And the bill got killed by a bunch of libs. And so now, it's back, and this time, Filippo tells me that there's even a lib sponsoring it from San Jose, which is like lib haven. It's like where they...

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Last year, it was sponsored by a state senator from Bakersfield. They do have a cosponsor on it.

• 19:14Doug DeMuro?

  Bakersfield, you knew that was gonna fail. No bill that comes out of Bakersfield passes unless it's related to water rights. And then they just trust that the Bakersfield people know what they're talking about.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  It would basically mean that, as a starting point, vehicles pre-1981 are exempt, as long as they are not the daily driver for the year. And then it would increase year after year.

• 19:36Doug DeMuro?

  35-year rolling exemption through 86.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Through 86, so through 2032.

• 19:40Doug DeMuro?

  Which I think is a start. I mean, it's onerous. You can't even find smog places to smog these cars. So, that's the other thing people do, is they just give some money under the table. Not that we know anyone who's done that. I don't know anywhere you can get a dirty smog in California, for God's sake.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Definitely don't go on Facebook Marketplace looking for people that say, "Pay only when you pass smogs," and then have modified cars as the picture. Those definitely aren't dog whistles to get dirty smogs. Those are just hard-working, small businessmen looking to attract new customers in the most legitimate way possible.

• 20:11Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever done dirty smog? You haven't, have you? You've done a lot of sketch stuff.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  Regardless of the answer, don't.

• 20:17Doug DeMuro?

  No, but truly, I don't think you have.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  I have a unique approach to problem-solving in this particular venue, an arena. And I prefer not to go that way. There are other solutions.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  SB 1392, which is what this is called, has some improvements, legitimate improvements over last year. So it would be defined as somebody's non, basically the owner's, something that's not the owner's primary mode of transportation. Last year, there was a lot of vague language around collector and for display.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  Insurance, getting collectors insurance.

• 20:47Speaker 04

  That now that it's been simplified.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  It's not like they have to write this from scratch. Plenty of other states have similar, you know what I mean?

• 20:53Doug DeMuro?

  Every other state.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Arizona, you get like a copper plate that says historic, it's baller.

• 20:57Doug DeMuro?

  Every other state. The whole situation is so laughable. California is the only state that is still requiring these. And so the result is that they just have simply missed out on the tax revenue. Like, all these people are still, the amount of cars from this era that are still being driven to the exact same degree in California as every other state, they're just not registered in California. And that's just the situation. And so maybe finally we're gonna get some.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  So if you think this should pass, maybe write to your representative.

• 21:22Doug DeMuro?

  I wrote to my state senator, who is a lib, and I discovered something. Do you know that there are more US congresspeople who represent California than state senators? In other words, your state senate district has more people than your US congressional district.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Well, there is also.

• 21:38Doug DeMuro?

  Needless to say, I didn't get a reply.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  There is, there's also the US, assuming the California House reps that.

• 21:43Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but it's starting in the senate.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  I know, but you can still write to your other.

• 21:46Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta get it past the senate first, Filippo. Jay Leno will tell you everything about that. The man is, has supported this law from its infancy.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  If you care, you should reach out to your reps.

• 21:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, they don't care. They do not care. They have no accountability to the people.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  If you think that they have no accountability to the people, maybe consider running for office or finding a candidate to run for office.

• 22:05Doug DeMuro?

  Or just leave California.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Can you imagine Doug as a political person?

• 22:11Doug DeMuro?

  I hate them all. Move on to the next one.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  All right. Oh geez, I'm so sorry. BMW accidentally leaked their 2027 lineup. And there's not that much all interesting here, but there's a couple of things. Most notably, there will be an M2X drive.

• 22:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  Uh, so a, a, a all-wheel-drive M2.

• 22:29Doug DeMuro?

  That's cool. That'll be cool.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Here's why it's notable.

• 22:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Why is it not called the M2 Competition?

• 22:35Doug DeMuro?

  Right, the M3 all-wheel drive is called the Competition and the base model is just the M3.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 22:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  There will also be an M3 50X drive, there'll be a bunch of new models that frankly are not that interesting or surprising. There will be a new X5 coming out in 2027, which I am actually kind of excited about, and an IX5.

• 22:51Doug DeMuro?

  I was looking, X5 came out in like 18.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, 4 Gen.

• 22:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's been an enormous amount of time. Sometimes you wonder if the IX was intended to be the next Gen X5 and then they had to

• 23:01Speaker 04

  You'd get us soon.

• 23:02Doug DeMuro?

  Figure all out.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  The I3, so the new 3 Series will also be coming out with an I3 40X drive, an I3 50X drive, a 350X drive, an M3 50X drive, all the normal ones. It's no longer the 340, it'll be 3, doesn't matter.

• 23:16Doug DeMuro?

  So there's gonna be an I3?

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, so the new class, it will be the 3 Series.

• 23:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's all coming for 27?

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Apparently.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, that's big.

• 23:25Speaker 04

  It's gonna be revealed soon.

• 23:26Doug DeMuro?

  And this is, having an all-wheel drive M2 I think is gonna be pretty cool. I assume it's gonna be tip only though.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  You gotta assume. I don't think they have an automatic.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  If it's over 400 six-foot pound of torque, got no choice.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  It might also be more powerful, I have no idea.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  They also are having a track pack for the M2 that is like canards and some like track focus mods, like this is still the swan song, I think.

• 23:46Doug DeMuro?

  M2 remains such a damn good car. And with all-wheel drive, it just adds a little bit more

• 23:51Speaker 04

  But then it's automatic.

• 23:51Doug DeMuro?

  Damn goodness. Maybe, the fact that they're not calling it a Competition actually gives you a little bit of

• 23:56Speaker 04

  That's an interesting point.

• 23:56Doug DeMuro?

  Because at some point they said the Competition models will never have manuals anymore because manuals are supposed to be the fastest. So maybe they're still gonna stick a manual in the all-wheel drive one.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  No manual per other reports.

• 24:05Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, too bad.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  Are they facelifting it too? It says

• 24:10Doug DeMuro?

  Hard to know because only the lineup got leaked, not photos, but the schnoz has grown on me a little bit, but I wouldn't mind a facelift. The M2 looks fine, I think, I never thought it looked bad. The M3 has never gotten better looking. But I still think it's the coolest damn car.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  It's gotten more special, like it feels more special than when it first came out.

• 24:29Doug DeMuro?

  Man, I saw a green one yesterday.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  I know, Isle of Man.

• 24:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  So that's BMW, we're real. And they reveal their lineup a year in advance, accidental.

• 24:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 24:40Speaker 04

  All right, this is the best news story of the week.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree, although the car's not quite a radical design that I was hoping for, but Caterpillar, who's famous for making all sorts of heavy equipment and being very industrial, is going to have their own pickup, or at least this is a concept of such, based on the F250, which no one has to tell you by looking at it that it's based off the F250. But a lot of it is actually more they've modified it for heavy equipment use, for work site use. So it has AI, which sounds a little bit like a buzzword, but all of the mods and technology is focused on job site.

• 25:11Doug DeMuro?

  Which, which makes sense. I'm reading this thing here, and it says that AI-generated images were posted on the internet in late 2024, supposedly not by Caterpillar.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:21Doug DeMuro?

  And then Caterpillar is quoted here as saying, "You couldn't look away from those photos, and we couldn't either." And now they're talking about actually doing this. Because AI images convinced them to do it?

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 25:31Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think that's how the Lincoln Bronco came to be?

• 25:33Speaker 04

  Yep. No, I think it was all because of you.

• 25:35Doug DeMuro?

  It was all because of me.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  Well, and that is especially ironic, because you look at this and you think, "I can look away, it's an F250 with a different grille."

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Apparently, they will have a bunch of other things, like there'll be a drone launching station, some monitoring systems, camera systems, whatever. The interesting part is, so Caterpillar and the other heavy machinery companies, and tractor companies, John Deere too, they've really in the last few years leaned in hard on technology. Like, the new Caterpillar and the heavy industrial vehicles are like quite technological. So it makes sense that they have a bunch of tooling that might plug into that to help you monitor your construction sites, help you monitor your field, whatever.

• 26:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but Filippo.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't think this is real, to be clear.

• 26:14Doug DeMuro?

  Don't they have a tacit agreement with the automakers? We stick to the stuff that digs and pulls.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  That's why they're buying a F250.

• 26:22Doug DeMuro?

  You stick to the trucks, you know what I mean? Don't they have like an, you know what I'm saying?

• 26:26Speaker 04

  I, I think that they will.

• 26:27Doug DeMuro?

  Like, why doesn't Nicaragua just build a canal?

• 26:31Speaker 03

  What? I get where you're going.

• 26:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Do you? I don't.

• 26:36Doug DeMuro?

  Well, like.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Man's playing that for me.

• 26:38Doug DeMuro?

  Like, like, they, they, they have left the vehicles.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Nicaragua does the heavy equipment.

• 26:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Nicaragua. Why doesn't Nicaragua show up and be like, screw you, we're gonna do it too? You know what I'm saying?

• 26:50Speaker 04

  I think it's really expensive to build a canal.

• 26:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's expensive, but they got this giant lake in Nicaragua. That's most of the.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Maybe this is like the Mercedes McLaren SLR where they just needed a little help to get it off the ground before they.

• 27:01Doug DeMuro?

  My point is simply that it's an interesting situation. What stops other people from kind of getting into some?

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Cat has like a huge domain of vehicles that they sell of heavy of construction equipment that they sell and maintain and make a lot of money from selling, maintaining, upgrading, et cetera, to large fleets of.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  I know.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Construction companies, et cetera.

• 27:19Doug DeMuro?

  Are they not happy?

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Sell one more thing. That's kind of interesting.

• 27:23Doug DeMuro?

  But Felipe.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  And by the way, it will be one, one more thing.

• 27:27Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think they're gonna do it? I, I have to be honest, I'm a little, as, as, as a fan of the automakers, I'm a little disappointed in Caterpillar to see them.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  Using a Ford F-250.

• 27:36Doug DeMuro?

  Step in. You think that's not, you think that's not a Silverado? The headlights are F-250.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  It's definitely a super duty. It's definitely a super duty.

• 27:42Doug DeMuro?

  But the, the squared wheel arches are all.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  Definitely a super duty.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's just AI.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  The, the, the company said customers dreamed of torque and towing power. Those were the easy parts for Caterpillar. So we went further to see how we can help them even more.

• 27:54Doug DeMuro?

  I'm a little bit anxious about this.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Isn't it gonna happen?

• 27:56Doug DeMuro?

  We all had an agreement, you know?

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Don't you think it should have been though, like the F-650 or like a sidekick?

• 28:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Or topkick? You like, like a true semi truck bottom to it?

• 28:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. Why do you think it's not gonna be like that?

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Well, an F-250 is not that.

• 28:09Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they're not gonna make it on an F-250. They're gonna build, they build construction.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  I don't want this to go to construction people. I want it to go to the, the top dog in the Midwest that just flexes on the neighbors.

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Having a Caterpillar truck.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  That is also the construction person usually.

• 28:22Doug DeMuro?

  You have to assume, that's like how the Hummer got to, came to be, right? It was a military thing and then it went to the top dog in the Midwest that flexes on his neighbor.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Right. Yeah.

• 28:28Doug DeMuro?

  How many Hummers you see in Ohio when you were a kid?

• 28:30Speaker 04

  That was like probably a big deal.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Neighbor or a friend's brother had one of those Chevy based like 6500 Topkick.

• 28:39Doug DeMuro?

  No way.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  Cars. He put like a thou- a hundred thousand dollar stereo system so the whole floor was Plexiglas to see all the amplifiers and stuff and that was literally the king of the Midwest.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Like, it was so baller.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's how we know you're from a rich town.

• 28:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. This guy really would be the king of the Midwest because Caterpillar's an Illinois company or something, right?

• 28:57Speaker 04

  Who knows?

• 28:57Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean, who knows? You don't, you're not, you're not interested in the-

• 29:01Speaker 03

  I believe they are in like Illinois. What did I say?

• 29:04Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Peoria, Illinois.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  I was gonna guess Peoria.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  It's got the concept, it's not real.

• 29:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's crazy to imagine in this day and age, anybody coming out with a gas, a new gas powered car. Every time there's like a new automaker or a new vehicle-

• 29:17Speaker 03

  It's diesel, certainly.

• 29:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, okay, but it's not electric.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  Of course that's diesel.

• 29:21Doug DeMuro?

  It's Caterpillar. But it's like crazy to imagine, like every time we discuss-

• 29:25Speaker 04

  This isn't a new vehicle.

• 29:26Doug DeMuro?

  A new brand.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  This is an F-250 with some livery.

• 29:29Doug DeMuro?

  Re-badged F-250. If they actually do this-

• 29:31Speaker 04

  They're not doing this.

• 29:31Doug DeMuro?

  They're going to build a full ground up truck.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  There's no shot that's happening.

• 29:35Doug DeMuro?

  Why do you think that's not gonna happen?

• 29:36Speaker 04

  Because nobody else has tried either, for a reason. It's really expensive to develop a truck.

• 29:39Doug DeMuro?

  It's, yeah, but it's, it's especially expensive to break into a segment with established names. But Caterpillar, if you're gonna do it, there's a name.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Nothing says tough and heavy duty like, like that.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Great logo, too.

• 29:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I agree. The best. Move on. What do we got?

• 29:54Speaker 04

  Thankfully, we're done.

• 29:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, we're done with the news early today, which means we have a lot more things to talk about.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  Yes, we do.

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• 31:18Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, tell us about the P38.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  I got on a three-way conference call last night.

• 31:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Where an L322 owner, another L322 owner and I are thinking of each trading in a circle. So one 322 owner wants to upgrade to a nicer autobiography one, of which I would take his and then I would dump my P38 on the original guy, Hunter, who like is kind of owns a lot of P38s.

• 31:43Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 31:44Speaker 03

  I'm legitimately considering it.

• 31:46Doug DeMuro?

  This is the best one. This is an 09. This is an 09 autobiography. The dream L322.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  You had one that I used as a comp, which is a 2010 with timing chains done, which is the pinnacle one in this three-way trade.

• 31:57Doug DeMuro?

  So there's cash involved here.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  Oh, for sure. Although all of us are well aware that our cars are largely valueless.

• 32:04Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you? So you're gonna, you're gonna follow my footsteps again, huh? You know what's great? I don't mind. How did this start? How did you get on this three-way conference call?

• 32:12Speaker 03

  You're not gonna respond to that? I, there's no defense.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  The P30, I love the P38. The only way to get out of it would be to dabble in other Range Rover full sizes.

• 32:22Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, correct, because you got the car.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  I'm looking for a life raft and someone threw one and said, hey, do you want to trade? And it's like, that is the only way I can financially justify getting out of it.

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you, have you ever driven an L322? So much. No. I'm gonna tell you this. When you make the swap, you will never go back to a P38. And suddenly you'll be, you'll drive the L322 and be like, oh, this is why people like Range Rovers. I thought they were all rough, loud, awful, terrible pieces of trash that had good seating positions. But actually, they're really nice cars that have good seating positions.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  My eight-pillar trim fell off the other day while driving.

• 32:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  And I tried to push it in. I go like that and just punched a hole through it. Now my eight-pillar is all in it.

• 33:02Doug DeMuro?

  Did you disclose that on the three-way conference call?

• 33:05Speaker 03

  No, but I said it was rough.

• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you something, this is the L322 you want, an 09 autobiography, that is the dream.

• 33:13Speaker 03

  That's before the engine change.

• 33:15Doug DeMuro?

  It had some of the, it's had some of the interior and other upgrades that the 10s had, but it has the good, reliable powertrain, the 06 to 09s. And there are no 09s, because the 10 model year came out really early because they were facelifting it and the recession was in full swing.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  That blue strap one was so cool. Yeah, 06 to 09, you'll be fine, that's what we all said.

• 33:31Doug DeMuro?

  06 to 09, that's, 06 to 09s are the reliable ones.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  I'm serious, that's a known saying.

• 33:37Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I had an 06, I had an 06 for seven years, and it was one of the great cars that I've ever had. I had a ton of CarMax warranty issues, like the steering column break, but like, it never broke that car, like mechanically.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Do you know the CarMax stuff's still going on? My friend Scott bought a CLS63, or is it CL63 now?

• 33:56Doug DeMuro?

  CLS, that's correct.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  CL63, whoever traded in the CarMax, it needed a new trans. And so he got it, and then within one week, they replaced the entire trans. Mercedes quoted them 100 grand to do it.

• 34:07Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 34:08Speaker 03

  They found someone to rebuild it, because it was a new trans. For like, but he basically got like a $20,000 repair done, within like a week of getting this car.

• 34:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you know, the great story about that whole CarMax thing that I did, people did way worse.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:21Doug DeMuro?

  Like, I bought a $30,000 car and got like 30 grand over six years in repairs. There, when I bought my Range, there were E60 M5s at CarMax available.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  Can you imagine?

• 34:32Doug DeMuro?

  There are absolutely people who got motors replaced for $50,000 in one service with a CarMax.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  Imagine being the guy that bought that E60 M3, and they're like, 3 grand for the warranty, like, ah, I don't know if it's worth it. And you decline it over 3 grand, and then are stuck holding a 20 grand back.

• 34:46Doug DeMuro?

  I guarantee you that happened. Like, mine was like a death of a thousand cuts, there were a bunch of little $2,000 things here or there. But there are absolutely motors that CarMax has put in cars and all that stuff. And to this day, they won't sell. You know what was funny also? All I wanted when I bought my Range was a G-Wagon. CarMax wouldn't sell them, and still won't sell.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  What a mistake.

• 35:03Doug DeMuro?

  That's the only reliable car! It wouldn't, I'm so glad they don't sell them, because it would never have been a story. That like launched my career.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:10Doug DeMuro?

  And if they had sold that car, G- P wagons are incredibly dependable and incredibly robust. And instead they sold me this and paid out thirty eight thousand dollars in claims over six years.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Love your Range Rover.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  That thing is still out there kicking it as far as?

• 35:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, still on the road, but I mean, it's on Antucket now and the eight miles away. So the whole island's eight miles wide. So, you know, ten miles. So like, it's probably only getting a thousand miles a year.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's not really being used.

• 35:31Speaker 03

  You know, I put two thousand miles on my P thirty eight.

• 35:33Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 35:35Speaker 03

  Hasn't left me stranded once.

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  Um, you know what we didn't talk about in the news segment that we should is Moda? Can we talk about Moda? Are we allowed to talk about Moda, Sean?

• 35:42Speaker 03

  I had that in my top cars, actually.

• 35:44Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up. Can you pull up some Moda pictures?

• 35:46Speaker 03

  Sadly, Kenan was sick and unable to join because he was there.

• 35:48Doug DeMuro?

  There. Kenan was there during the hurricane.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Great pictures of the cars in standing water.

• 35:53Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, Moda is some event. I have no idea. And it was in Miami and it, there was incredible rainstorm and windstorm. And did you see the video of the kids in the golf cart where the thing falls?

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Hoovy shared it because you could see his gullwing in the background.

• 36:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I saw his gullwing back there. There's like a singer that something almost falls on. There are probably.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Look at that dude. He looks like, like noodle in a rainstorm. That hair.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  There are probably open roof cars that were like damaged.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  There was that like Koenigsegg Yescow or whatever it was that like the, the front bumper was like in water.

• 36:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but you've got to assume there, there are cars being exhibited that have no top at all.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 36:30Doug DeMuro?

  I mean.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Whenever these stories come up and I bring, I've mentioned it to my wife and I'm like, the poor cars. And she's like, I'm sure people died. There were far worse harm. And I'm like, no, those are priceless.

• 36:39Doug DeMuro?

  Wild. People didn't die. It was just, it was honestly, it was a fairly typical Florida midday rainstorm, except with a lot more wind. Cause it was over pretty quick, but like it, did you not see these before?

• 36:49Speaker 03

  No, I did. I mean, the stanchions that have fallen down.

• 36:52Doug DeMuro?

  Was falling over like just ridiculous. A two fifty LM. That's a twenty million dollar car. You know, and Hoovy's gullwing is sitting right there. Those giant things behind it. Looks like a hell of an event. You know, I have a.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Although the cars that, I wish I had gone despite the rain, like the cars there did look next.

• 37:07Doug DeMuro?

  I have a feeling that the Moda people are kind of embarrassed that all this happened. Personally, I think that makes this the coolest event. Like if, if, if it had gone out without rain, you would have seen some pictures and then forgotten about it next week. We will never forget about this. Filippo, do you wish your car had been there?

• 37:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 37:24Doug DeMuro?

  Do you wish you had been there?

• 37:25Speaker 04

  No.

• 37:25Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, good, good.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Can I just, I want to go back to Range Rover for a second?

• 37:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Your experiences with your steering column?

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Make me truly scared to use my

• 37:35Doug DeMuro?

  Power steering column.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Power steering column.

• 37:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  Cause like what, I, I wouldn't have thought of how often they broke, except for your Range Rover where it broke often.

• 37:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, pretty often.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Speaking of circling back to Range Rovers, if I may?

• 37:46Doug DeMuro?

  Please.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  The P38 community, I'd like to apologize to everyone. A bad faith actor listed a car on another auction site in which they faked service records. Very clearly using what I assume is MS Paint, based on their level of sophistication, to fake both the dates and the amount paid. So that like a head, head job, a head gasket job was done like 15 years ago and they basically just updated the dates and numbers. It was easily discovered. Do not fake receipts, you idiots.

• 38:14Doug DeMuro?

  Is this the same auction site where they had the cobblestone floor mats on the AI Cadillac?

• 38:18Speaker 03

  Perhaps.

• 38:19Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Perhaps.

• 38:20Doug DeMuro?

  Um.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Unfortunately.

• 38:21Doug DeMuro?

  I watched that auction. Uh, wow.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  Pretty well.

• 38:24Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Pretty well. And of course it's a P38 person, you know, they mean like they're bringing our, our esteemed name and reputation into the mud.

• 38:32Doug DeMuro?

  The irony is like, don't fake the receipts. The car is worth four grand if it, if it had a head, a head gasket done 15 years ago. If it had the head gasket done yesterday, it's worth 4,200.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  That guy's losing money either way.

• 38:42Doug DeMuro?

  You're getting, you're not doing well.

• 38:44Speaker 04

  Four grand is so generous. His was free.

• 38:46Doug DeMuro?

  What, type in P38 and let's kind of get it, let's kind of get a market, uh, report here.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  They're worth five grand, give or take.

• 38:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, go to highest price.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  Sure, five grand.

• 38:54Doug DeMuro?

  Go to highest price.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  More, more, more.

• 38:56Doug DeMuro?

  Go to highest price.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  That's an outlet. I, I still have the highest sold P38.

• 39:00Doug DeMuro?

  3,000.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:02Doug DeMuro?

  Oh no, someone beat me.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Wow, with a, with an SE.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  How do you feel about that?

• 39:07Speaker 03

  In low miles.

• 39:07Doug DeMuro?

  Low miles.

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Low miles, base, base wheels.

• 39:10Speaker 03

  Just want to live in it.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  I'm telling you dude, if you drive an L322, you will never set foot in a P38 ever again.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  He's an L. Some of us like vintage cars, Doug. We, we appreciate.

• 39:22Doug DeMuro?

  You hate the classic.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  You know, it's like your Countach, like we get in it, we're just like.

• 39:25Doug DeMuro?

  You think the Range Classic is a horrible car?

• 39:27Speaker 03

  It's, it's the same car, just rustier. Well, I digress. The P38 community apologizes. Most of us don't fudge the receipts. We just accept the loss.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  If there's a community where I expect the fudging of receipts, it is the P38.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  It's the Rover Roulette community on Instagram.

• 39:41Doug DeMuro?

  That's so true. I mean, you should just assume that's going on. Uh, okay.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Sorry, are you gonna trade it for L322?

• 39:47Speaker 03

  We're, we're in discussions.

• 39:48Speaker 04

  How much money?

• 39:49Speaker 03

  No one can decide what our cars are worth. And then we're all like, oh, it's worth 20 grand to me, but I'll take five for it. Actual direct quote from the conversation.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  I'm gonna be honest, you got the car for free. The last two was over 26.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not a free car.

• 40:05Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 40:06Speaker 03

  It's worth it.

• 40:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's worth the fall.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  How did you guys? Last week on this podcast, he was like, I'm done with cars. I'm not putting money into BS cars anymore. I'm so sick of just dropping money in stupid cars, doesn't get it back. He's 11 into a 97 Range Rover that was given to him for free. Then he put his hand through the A-pillar trim after it came off while he was driving.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  How did you get to $11,000?

• 40:27Speaker 03

  A death of a thousand.

• 40:28Doug DeMuro?

  We were sitting over there 10 minutes ago and he said he wants to wrap it yellow, the whole car. You know what that's gonna cost? And then he goes, I think I'll just have the wrap done while I do the interior. What does "do the interior" mean? I'm terrified to find out.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  It'll be like a Congleton when I'm done. Or a singer.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  The one that you have sold on the site, I gotta just find that out. This one, right?

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's it. Seven grand. So it's gotta be worth, I don't know, 40% more now?

• 40:51Speaker 04

  This is yours?

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  It was seven grand, three years.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  This is yours, right?

• 40:53Doug DeMuro?

  You had L322 wheels on it?

• 40:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's yours.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's mine.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  That's yours. It was worth seven grand, three years.

• 41:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Doesn't have all the holes in it.

• 41:03Doug DeMuro?

  But now you're into it 11s, that's. No, someone paid seven grand for it. I don't know that it was worth it. Was that like a COVID thing or something? Uh, okay, Filippo, I want, it was actually, that was during the COVID market peak. Even P38s went up. Filippo, tell us about the pickup truck.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, my pickup truck, the 1973 F250 that my wife and I inherited, is driving, it's running, it's running really nicely. Uh, shout out to David Iconic Automotive, who's done a really nice job with it.

• 41:27Doug DeMuro?

  In Prescott, Arizona, right off the 66.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  Incorrect on that last part on Commerce Drive, uh, right off Willow Springs.

• 41:33Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, 17 would be off.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  No, we're like far, far west of that. It doesn't really matter. Uh, it is, uh, ready to come home to me. So now I'm working on getting it transported to here.

• 41:42Doug DeMuro?

  Can't wait.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  And then I will need to do a bunch of things here. So he's like, runs, drives well. Uh, the tires are pre date code. So we think it's like late 90s.

• 41:52Doug DeMuro?

  Why didn't you just put tires on?

• 41:53Speaker 04

  Because first I need to buy wheels because the wheels are 16 and a half inch.

• 41:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  And a half.

• 41:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, because they had stuff like that, but can't, can't you find wheels?

• 42:03Speaker 04

  No. Sorry.

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  Or can you find tires?

• 42:05Speaker 04

  I cannot find.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of vehicles from that era had tires.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  But they're all like highway trailer tires and I would like something a little.

• 42:13Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna do like some steelies?

• 42:14Speaker 04

  No, I will buy wheels and then add tires.

• 42:16Doug DeMuro?

  He can't buy bad tires for his car. He's gonna be pitching around corners. He's gonna be down shifting.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  You can't have an F-250 on, on like the highway trailer tires. They just look so bad. They're like way too.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  You need like.

• 42:29Doug DeMuro?

  The vehicle in general doesn't look great.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  You need all terrain tires.

• 42:33Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna put super swampers on it?

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Uh, maybe. You need all terrain of some kind.

• 42:36Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god!

• 42:37Speaker 04

  No, we're not gonna put super swampers, but all terrain of some kind. I first, basically when it comes home, my wife and I will do a bunch of cosmetic things. The interior is in pretty rough shape. We'll clean it up. My wife is a very fastidious, meticulous person.

• 42:49Doug DeMuro?

  You are too. Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I guess I've seen your desk, but I mean, you're detail oriented. You're just not clean.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 42:57Doug DeMuro?

  Neat.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  That, that's. Every way of saying that is so.

• 43:00Doug DeMuro?

  But it's, it's.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  No, I disagree.

• 43:02Doug DeMuro?

  His desk, I've never seen like his desk.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  My desk is a little messy. Uh, my desk at home is clean for the record where I actually work most of the time.

• 43:09Doug DeMuro?

  This is, he actually works at home. This desk, God knows how that stuff got there.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, but so we'll do a bunch of like interior cleanup. The seat cover is like an old, like rug, basically as they all are. So we'll do a bunch of that and I'll get new wheels and new tires.

• 43:22Doug DeMuro?

  I can't wait for this.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  I'm excited. Hopefully in the next week.

• 43:25Doug DeMuro?

  What is interior cleanup? I mean, you're not gonna reupholster anything.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  No, but we'll do like a better seat cover. There's a bunch of like, you can't read the gauges because that plastic is too. I don't know how we'll clean that up, but.

• 43:34Doug DeMuro?

  I think that you're overestimating what you need to do. Like you don't need to read the gauges. Like you don't.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  Need is not what I'm.

• 43:41Doug DeMuro?

  It won't get carried away with speed.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, or anything.

• 43:43Doug DeMuro?

  Like I guarantee you'll be able to hear the motor when you're trying to, when it's time to shift.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Need is not what I'm going for. Also, it's automatic. It doesn't matter.

• 43:48Doug DeMuro?

  It's an auto?

• 43:49Speaker 04

  It's an auto.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  You're such a tip guy. The two of you are such tip guys.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  It'll be the second automatic car I've ever owned.

• 43:54Doug DeMuro?

  God, all you guys and your automatics. You know, he only has automatics now.

• 43:57Speaker 04

  You have more automatics than I do.

• 43:59Doug DeMuro?

  I got two.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  I have one. Till this car arrives.

• 44:02Doug DeMuro?

  You have this truck. You have like six cars right now.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  You have three.

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  You.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  Filippo's become a real car guy. We gave him so much crap for so long.

• 44:09Doug DeMuro?

  You have a Sequoia. I don't have a station wagon. The, the, the station wagon is quite, oh, this. I forgot about this. Yeah.

• 44:17Doug DeMuro?

  Tennis ball machine transporter.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  You're looking for a fourth automatic.

• 44:23Doug DeMuro?

  I am.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Uh, so I will have fewer, but I'm really excited for it to be here. My wife is incredibly excited for it to be here. Uh, it'll be very like.

• 44:29Doug DeMuro?

  Can we, are we doing an F two fifty welcome party like we did this SLR party?

• 44:32Speaker 04

  Oh my God.

• 44:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we should.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  We should.

• 44:34Doug DeMuro?

  I'll get in the, I'll get in the bed.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  We, and we should make it like, the dress code should be like nineteen seventies Americana.

• 44:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  All right, let's do it.

• 44:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'm in.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:43Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, we won't further define it and let everyone interpret how they may.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  And I can imagine.

• 44:47Doug DeMuro?

  Sure.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  That your interpretation may not be politically correct. I would, I would assume.

• 44:51Doug DeMuro?

  Why would you?

• 44:51Speaker 04

  That's why I want it to be at his house. I don't, I don't want my neighbors to know.

• 44:54Doug DeMuro?

  You don't want to associate with this?

• 44:55Speaker 04

  No.

• 44:56Doug DeMuro?

  Can I invite some of my neighbors?

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 44:57Doug DeMuro?

  Cool.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  They would, they'd probably have it in their closet, ready to go. Um.

• 45:01Doug DeMuro?

  I'm genuinely excited about this.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Uh, my wife is a very like nostalgic.

• 45:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  Uh, sentimental person and this truck will be really meaningful.

• 45:08Doug DeMuro?

  Do you agree though, that after about four drives in it, she's going to be less nostalgic and sentimental? Do you know what I mean?

• 45:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:15Doug DeMuro?

  Like she's going to be like, well, uh, I want to carry on his memory and I think by doing that, we will plant a tree.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  There is a real chance of that.

• 45:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  She will look so cool in it the four times she drives.

• 45:28Doug DeMuro?

  So cool at it.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:29Doug DeMuro?

  Our, our dog can have her, her head out the window.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  This thing's carbureted. I mean, they, he doesn't know what to do. They're not going to know what to do.

• 45:35Doug DeMuro?

  We're at sea level with no elevation change and no temperature.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Like I said, the fact that you think that that is going to, is going to, is going to solve your problems.

• 45:43Doug DeMuro?

  It will solve. We have no expectation that it goes far. I have many expectations that in the first hundred miles of driving it.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:49Doug DeMuro?

  Some things, and I do mean plural, will break.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  If it breaks, you take it to Mossy Ford in Pacific Beach and you say to, that's where I take my Sequoia and it's to the Toyota one. And I, you say to him, hey.

• 46:00Doug DeMuro?

  I got a Ford. Can you fix it? Hey, I bought this here. What do you mean you can't fix it?

• 46:05Speaker 03

  It's not under warranty anymore?

• 46:07Speaker 04

  I do gotta, I have to find out more about where the, I wonder, I have not looked through any of like the paperwork, the glove box. And I wonder if there's anything about the history of it. Cause I wonder where it came from.

• 46:16Doug DeMuro?

  I would regardless, I would insist that they fix it for you.

• 46:19Speaker 03

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• 47:00Speaker 03

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• 48:40Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about my 993.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:43Doug DeMuro?

  I have this reddish 993.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  Arena.

• 48:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, arena red there. You want to pull it up? It's on Instagram somewhere.

• 48:51Speaker 04

  I'm good.

• 48:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. And I got an arena red 993 twin turbo. And it's, there's a few there. That same, that color. Yeah, might as well. Mine's a, it's a coupe. And I've been driving it everywhere with my children.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  That's so nice.

• 49:07Doug DeMuro?

  Everywhere.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  They like it?

• 49:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah. They're eight, they're gonna, they're gonna, I think I can be able to fit pretty soon.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  That's not true. They got time.

• 49:15Doug DeMuro?

  I think I got a year, year and a half.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  They're still in regular car seats, not boosters.

• 49:18Doug DeMuro?

  We've gotten the four of us in the car. My two kids in the back, my wife in the front.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  My.

• 49:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's like getting a little tight.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  My niece and nephew were visiting a couple of weeks ago.

• 49:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  And we, my nephew's nine. He fits just fine in the backseat.

• 49:29Doug DeMuro?

  Your car, your 997 is quite a bit big.

• 49:32Speaker 04

  Is it bigger in the backseat? I haven't started to say.

• 49:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. The problem is specifically the legroom. But I do think I can transition in a booster regardless. I am driving my kids.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  A new booster in a 997 fits perfectly. Like it's like a snug, perfect fit in the bucket.

• 49:47Doug DeMuro?

  Everywhere in this car. Everywhere.

• 49:50Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 49:51Doug DeMuro?

  Like, we go to the, we go to the run errands, I take, pick them up, take them to school. We went to the, we did all sorts of stuff. Mommy was gone last weekend. We went all around and doing all sorts of kid stuff. And that's the thing.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 50:03Doug DeMuro?

  I love it too. I'm really happy to not be precious about this car. And it's been a wonderful family vehicle.

• 50:10Speaker 04

  Does it diminish the specialness of it?

• 50:11Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Good.

• 50:12Doug DeMuro?

  It, it's fun to be able to actually use a special car for this purpose. And although I want other sports cars, two-seat sports cars, I really think that this garage spot has to be reserved for a four-seat car. And so my kids are no longer interested.

• 50:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:27Doug DeMuro?

  Which I think that will happen.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  Your kids like enjoy it? Like they get a thrill out of it?

• 50:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they love it. They call it fast car. They're always begging me to go fast. My little one, who doesn't talk much because he's only two, he screams, "More daddy, more, more" when I go fast.

• 50:40Speaker 03

  Isn't it crazy how few cars there are when you have that breed of like sports cars, two-door sports cars with a usable backseat?

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  I mean, like, your buying field to replace this with a similar use case is down to like a handful of cars.

• 50:55Doug DeMuro?

  Especially if you want analog, safe enough, you know, the car seat tethers, stick. You're talking about cars like late 90s to early 2000s, and then the manuals all went away, and I don't have much interest in that. I know you're an automatic guy.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Every Mustang, every Camaro.

• 51:08Doug DeMuro?

  But I want.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  Every Challenger.

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  I do think that 612 is a very likely possibility. Can you pull up a 612 to replace this car with?

• 51:18Speaker 03

  They're better if you don't look at them.

• 51:19Doug DeMuro?

  I, it's grown on me a little bit, the 612 has.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Can you pull up a different Ferrari and we'll just talk about the 612?

• 51:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, here, I'll give you another option.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Like a 550 is a beautiful car. Yeah, 599, that works.

• 51:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, God, yeah, 599 is beautiful. Two seats, though, which goes to your point. Hey, I'm not getting the 612 because it's beautiful. It's just the only damn car that actually fits my purpose. There's an FF.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  Here's a different Ford Focus.

• 51:46Doug DeMuro?

  Ford Focus. FFs are cool, but they have this transmission issue that.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  And auto on laying in.

• 51:52Doug DeMuro?

  And I don't do autos. Uh, yeah, I'm not getting a Ford Focus. It's like $700,000. Thanks, oh, dude. Anyway, loving the 993 turbo, truly driving it a ton with the kids. Have no, I've decided I'm just gonna let this car be used by children. And so as a result, like, they handprint it. They are, my older son is always like pulling on the seatbelt retractor, like, look, Daddy, look at this. They were trying to peel off the sticker on the windshield, on the side window that says Porsche Drive Block System, and I love that sticker because it's the incredibly idiotic.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  A mobilizer thing?

• 52:27Doug DeMuro?

  A mobilizer. And it just feels right to have that. And there is a reminder of how poorly engineered that was every time you get in the car. It's like, don't touch that. But other than that, I have no, they plug it into the, to the C-Tech.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  That's what's hard. I love getting my kids excited about cars. I want them to be passionate about it. But when you get to a car, the price point of yours and where the, the next buyer is so.

• 52:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  Detail oriented. Like that's a tough car to be like.

• 52:51Doug DeMuro?

  I've just decided I know I'm gonna lose because of how I'm using it. The kids will kick the seat in front. I cut the leather to get the car seat tether. I'm gonna lose 20 grand, probably. But if I get two, three years out of driving my kids around in it.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:03Doug DeMuro?

  To me, at my situation, that's, that's where, and I'm sure everybody has a number like that. You know, like it's worth doing for a certain car is worth doing a certain thing. And I got no problem with it. And also that weeds out a lot of people. Like the fact that I cut the leather means that like, I don't have to talk to some of these people who

• 53:18Speaker 03

  True.

• 53:19Doug DeMuro?

  might be buying a 993, you know what I'm saying?

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Also, you bought well.

• 53:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I bought it. All right. Uh, okay. We need to move on to the market report, which is brought to you by Ryan Lopez. Folks, I want to tell you something about Ryan Lopez. Couple of weeks ago, Ryan Lopez, he, he didn't some more content. I don't know. His air conditioning was broken and it's fixed now, but this weekend, this past weekend, he got me some wheels for my G-Wagon. Are you aware of this?

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 53:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'm switching out my wheels and

• 53:45Speaker 03

  Proper ones.

• 53:46Doug DeMuro?

  Here, move a little bit so people can see the wheels. The current wheels, I, I hate the current wheels. I, I, I like

• 53:51Speaker 03

  That's not the wheels that came on the car, right? So this will be your third set of OE wheels.

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  Cause the first set of OE wheels was the grand edition wheels, which weren't OE to the car and I didn't like. Instantly got rid of those for these. These have been on the car for seven years. Now we're switching to the OE wheel on the car. Oh, wow.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  I don't remember what the G5 150. Those are not, the G5 wheels are my favorite.

• 54:10Doug DeMuro?

  Those are nice looking, but I don't think, no, it wasn't these. That I don't think they fit on the, uh, 500. Anyway, the point is Ryan Lopez, he went and got me the wheels. This is almost a talk car segment and imagine the following transaction. A fellow who comes into the office an hour late because his air conditioning broke in February, trying to purchase wheels from a fellow on Facebook Marketplace, who is pretty, it sounded like pretty incompetent. So you have the, it's like these two forces trying to make this thing happen. You know what I mean? And needless to say, is a simple act of purchasing these wheels. They visited several different shops and it took many hours, but. We got the wheels. They're here.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Why so many shops? Were you checking for Benz and such?

• 54:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, because it's right, because it's a crazy Facebook Marketplace guy and Ryan Lopez. What do you think's gonna happen? That's not gonna be a smooth transaction.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  But why would you go to a shop?

• 55:05Doug DeMuro?

  Because Ryan insisted, Ryan can't fit them in his car with the tires on. That's problem number one. He can, but he has golf clubs in there and like a surfboard and all this crap. Okay, so we, so he got it.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  He has the Tesla roof rails.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  Right, put your golf clubs on the roof, didn't do it. So, he, he, then he goes, he goes, alright, he goes, you'll take the tires off, right? He shows up and now Ryan Lopez is out of the blame. Guess what? Facebook Marketplace seller, hey, I'll take the tires off. You show up, guess what's not, what's still on the wheel?

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Oh boy.

• 55:35Doug DeMuro?

  And then the guy tells Ryan Lopez, he's like, I'm gonna call a mobile tire guy. He's gonna come and take them off the wheels. And Ryan's like, it's like a Saturday in Irvine. The guy's not gonna show up for four hours. Anyway, they went to six different shops and eventually Ryan got the wheels. Uh, but it went badly. Let's move on. So that's the market, that's who's bringing us.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  I forgot where we're going with that.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Can we start out with the one that is most interesting?

• 56:01Doug DeMuro?

  The Z32? Oh yeah. Folks, I don't know if you saw it. We sold that 800 mile, 2004 WRX STI for $107,000.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  Record as far as we can tell.

• 56:14Doug DeMuro?

  Record price for an 04 STI, record price for a blobby.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  I think for.

• 56:19Doug DeMuro?

  Probably any 02 to 08.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Whatever this generation's called.

• 56:24Doug DeMuro?

  Tough, tough to see it go. Because it's going to Europe.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  It is going to Croatia.

• 56:30Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 56:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Um, and that's a little sad because.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  It is sad. I do hear that. I really excited for the buyer and I'm excited that somebody found it internationally. It is, they're gonna be putting in a bunch of extra money to get it to Croatia.

• 56:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  Import it, title it, whatever.

• 56:45Doug DeMuro?

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:46Speaker 04

  Like that, that's a real effort for an incredibly special car. They must be truly enthusiastic and truly.

• 56:52Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, their search was global.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:54Doug DeMuro?

  Their search for this, a car this nice was global. I did see, we posted on Instagram and people were like, this is ruining the value of these cars. These cars are going up and everything's, it's like, no, look. You can still get a pretty rough STI for like six. This one sold for 107 because it has 800 miles. Trust me, this has no bearing on the 04 STI market. I promise. I mean, here is one literally last month, which is an 06 STI.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  With mods, sure, but.

• 57:23Doug DeMuro?

  Eighty six hundred bucks. Yes.

• 57:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:25Doug DeMuro?

  They are. They are still very available to you. The museum car deserves a museum result and goes to somebody who appreciates it to go to a museum. That's this car.

• 57:34Speaker 04

  It's an exciting option.

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  And it's still sitting here waiting to get picked up. And I'm, I was very lucky that I was able to drive it. It was a car that I lusted after when I was a kid. So. Super cool to see one just like so clean and so perfectly preserved and so wonderful.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  It's an incredible car. A hundred eight, eleven thousand views, some of that obviously got a ton of attention. Then the next week, that will be ended by the time people are watching this.

• 57:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  We have a sixty nine hundred mile, three hundred ZX, Z thirty two.

• 58:00Doug DeMuro?

  Also an amazing car. God. What an incredible thing. I drove this car and I did not have high expectations because everybody talks about the Mark IV. And I was stunned when I drove it, how nice it was. Have you driven it?

• 58:10Speaker 04

  No, I've, I moved around the office because that needs to happen sometimes.

• 58:13Doug DeMuro?

  It is so good to drive. It kind of reframed in my mind the Mark IV for me.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 58:22Doug DeMuro?

  I've always wanted a Mark IV. And I still do. And I think a lot of that is because of how it looks and how cool it is and like the market perception and the, the general perception. But I think from a pure driving perspective, this might be better.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  I believe that.

• 58:36Doug DeMuro?

  I loved how this car drove.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  You, you had a, an R thirty two GT-R.

• 58:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:40Speaker 04

  Which is, was not offered here. New, I think people have lusted over it as the Skyline GT-R was as better.

• 58:47Doug DeMuro?

  There are pros and cons to each. This is a purpose-built sports car. And I think something that a lot of enthusiasts don't realize about the Skyline GT-Rs is that they were not purpose-built sports cars. They were commuter cars in Japan that then they made a coupe and then they made a high-performance coupe. This, this car certainly drives better than an R thirty, than an R thirty two in some ways. The steering's tighter, it's, it's clearly faster. However, the R32 is a lighter car. They added a lot of technology into this car that that kinda adds to the, it made it like the king, and that's why they brought it here. This was the king of Nissan's lineup, it wasn't the R32, but the result was, it was a little heavier and feels a little heavier, but it is so much fun to drive.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  It's a beautiful car.

• 59:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it still looks good. After all these years, it still looks good.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  It's like the Blobby too, though, where you're so used to seeing beat up ones. That this, it's striking how not beat up it is to see one.

• 59:37Doug DeMuro?

  By the time this podcast goes live, the auction will have already closed. It's sitting at $85,000, which again, I'm sure when we post this video, "Oh my God, you're rooting for values!" Let me tell you, Z32s are cheap. Again, this car deserves to sell for a lot of money to someone who's really gonna appreciate it.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  The control layout is so cool in these cars.

• 59:56Doug DeMuro?

  Have you been in it, repressed it, like the climate control?

• 59:58Speaker 04

  Wild. It's all around the steering wheel.

• 1:00:00Doug DeMuro?

  There's all these, it's like cockpit, they're all thinking of cockpits, and so like, those are the climate controls. All of the climate controls are there, and the, and the-

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  It looks like a walkie-

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  Windshield wash, wipers.

• 1:00:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:00:11Doug DeMuro?

  It's wild. And those are all fixed. The passenger has no access to this stuff.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Honestly, it's kinda rude of the passenger to, it's up to the driver.

• 1:00:20Doug DeMuro?

  I love this car. I really, really liked it. Much more than I expected to.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Looks good in black, too.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  I don't say that about a lot of cars.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  We have a bunch of other low-mile cars, by the way. There's a JDM 80 series Lincoln that has really low miles. There's a TL that has really low-

• 1:00:34Doug DeMuro?

  We have an 05 TL coming up with 12,000 miles. We'll get to that in a later podcast.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  I just drove it today.

• 1:00:40Speaker 04

  By the time you watch this, there'll be a Pathfinder, a first-gen Pathfinder, live.

• 1:00:44Doug DeMuro?

  With 800 miles.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  With 800 miles.

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  Drove that.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  It's a low-mile, couple months here at the office.

• 1:00:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 1:00:50Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, those are some good market reports.

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  I wanna talk about Resvanis.

• 1:00:53Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta talk about Resvanis.

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  I'm gonna just stop, everybody. Alright, yesterday, when we're filming this, we sold a Resvani tank. That's a thing for $175,000.

• 1:01:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  Which feels like a lot of money for a Wrangler.

• 1:01:06Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, it's the military edition.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, this one can release tear gas, among other things.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Run flat tires, bulletproof glass, explosive protection, EMP protection, thermal night vision system.

• 1:01:18Doug DeMuro?

  That's kinda cool.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  Wow, blinding lights, shocking doors.

• 1:01:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's obviously ridiculous.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  That's so cool.

• 1:01:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's obviously ridiculous, but I would also argue that for, yes, it is a Jeep Wrangler underneath and in the interior.

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  So cool.

• 1:01:29Doug DeMuro?

  But I would also argue that like for this price point, you're looking at G wagons, go to the rear image of this car. Like this thing, you get up behind that, you're thinking, what the hell is this?

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  I know, this is insane. Also, the doors shock you.

• 1:01:42Doug DeMuro?

  The doors apparently get shocked.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  If you're an actual celebrity or noteworthy person, like some of those features are actually pretty valuable.

• 1:01:49Doug DeMuro?

  You probably wouldn't want to be driving around in the car that everybody's looking at.

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  Nonetheless, I want to bring up because we sold a couple of Rovani, some other tanks, Hercules six by six. And now we're seeing this.

• 1:02:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 04

  A beast alpha.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  I didn't, I thought these were newer, but the 2018.

• 1:02:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's based on the Lotus Elise.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  It's cool.

• 1:02:07Doug DeMuro?

  Right, but it has a Honda, it's a Lotus Elise VIN, but it has a Honda four cylinder.

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:02:11Doug DeMuro?

  And it's got these bizarre doors. Go back to the, the image of the doors. It's like, they like roll out like a minivan door. It's very bizarre. It also looks really good.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I'm sure it must be bizarre and it's a one of four or something.

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like a prototype car that somehow is titled.

• 1:02:27Doug DeMuro?

  If someone, if Honda came out with an S2000 that looked like this tomorrow, people would lose their minds.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  And it looks like something that Honda would come out with.

• 1:02:34Doug DeMuro?

  It does tomorrow. Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Like the, the doors are so insane.

• 1:02:37Doug DeMuro?

  Instead, we got the Prelude.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  You were talking about with the Caterpillar story, how hard it is to come up with a unique body style and all that, but like, these guys are doing it.

• 1:02:44Doug DeMuro?

  They do it because they can just base it off an existing car. I bet you Ford wouldn't actually let Caterpillar like re-badge a truck, you know?

• 1:02:51Speaker 04

  Perhaps. I just, they, they made three of these. It has a 500 horsepower Honda Performance.

• 1:02:57Doug DeMuro?

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  They're going nuts.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  The, the side window door, like also somehow this was crashed. It has a, it has a salvage title or a re-badge title.

• 1:03:05Doug DeMuro?

  I assume it was a crashed Lotus Elise that Rovani then got and like decided to mess with.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  Interesting. That's a very good point.

• 1:03:12Doug DeMuro?

  But like, that was the only way this project was ever gonna start, if we're being honest.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  It does look so great. Also, how does this make any sense with this? Like, how is it the same?

• 1:03:22Doug DeMuro?

  The Resvani model line, none of us really understand.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  They've got one based on the 911. I mean, they have like, they're just extreme cars. It doesn't...

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  What is that? Is that an Urus? Is that an Urus?

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so. I think that's an Urus.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  1000 horsepower, 2.8.

• 1:03:36Doug DeMuro?

  This was a Dodge Ram, right?

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  I can't remember.

• 1:03:40Doug DeMuro?

  Or an Escalade?

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  But they all, they all look like AI cars, except for I've seen all of these in person.

• 1:03:44Doug DeMuro?

  All of them, except that one.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Constantly around. No, I've seen that one in person as well.

• 1:03:47Doug DeMuro?

  You've seen that one?

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:48Doug DeMuro?

  They do look like AI cars. I didn't realize the beast's silver shell, dude, 585. Oh my God. Okay, folks, buy it on Cars and Bids. I don't know what the reserve is, but I guarantee it ain't 585. This is a bargain.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  I actually think that one's no reserve.

• 1:04:01Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, I want to talk about one other market report situation, which is the Black Series. We sold last week a crazy C63 Black Series. This car sold for $68,000. Black Series, I mean, there's 500 of these in the world, or some crazy number. Very cheap. 132,000 miles.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  I love that. Yeah.

• 1:04:20Doug DeMuro?

  Someone was like, "I'm just gonna daily my Black Series." 800 for the globe of these cars.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Wow. I didn't realize they were that rare.

• 1:04:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  It's a good-looking car.

• 1:04:29Doug DeMuro?

  Good-looking car. It's also a low wing, which is less desirable. So you have high mileage, low wing. I honestly think the number was still pretty strong, considering the mileage. These are very rare cars.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  A regular C63 with 130,000 miles is a $12,000 car.

• 1:04:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but a, but a Black Series with no miles is probably a 200 car, so. It's, it's, we, we had no idea what number to put on it.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  No, it was no reserve. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  It had to be, because no one, there was no cop in the whole world.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  What's surprising is despite that mileage, it looks to be a pretty nice car.

• 1:05:00Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, it's still, all these years later, it still looks cool. Don't you think? That rear, the rear flare out, and the, the C63 Black Series was the least cool of them. But it's still cool as hell.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was pretty subtle as far as Black Series go, but it looks good.

• 1:05:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I'm so into that car. And I'm glad it sold, and I'm glad it sold, and I'm glad it sold what I consider to be pretty well considering the miles, honestly. Uh, well photographed, well presented car, uh, from a good dealer.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  Shout out to Nexus Auto Brokers.

• 1:05:26Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, I want to talk about one more.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:05:28Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  We have a bunch of celebrity cars live.

• 1:05:30Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, Nick, you gotta get into this. Nick did this.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  I lost my mind. I'm not really a sports person. I know who Reggie is, sort of.

• 1:05:37Doug DeMuro?

  Reggie Jackson.

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  I had to double check what sport he was famous from, but I knew he was a sports player.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  It says owned by baseball hall.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, that's how hard I had to check, just reading the subtitle. But, okay, so Range Rover sports have never really been like a sought after car that someone would seek to preserve. However, the backstory, so you have a great backstory from him, and he specifically sought this car out, took time and energy.

• 1:06:01Doug DeMuro?

  There was a quote.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  Find one, yes.

• 1:06:03Doug DeMuro?

  Even the listing from Reggie Jackson.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  This lady has been put to bed every night with milk and cookies. This is a direct quote from the seller, and I love that you included that. And it's only got 10,000 miles now. He bought it with 3,000 miles. I mean, to say it is the most pristine Range Rover sport is just such a massive honest statement.

• 1:06:19Doug DeMuro?

  Does the, does the market care about that? We'll find out.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  It's already at 15,000, which is good for a Range Rover.

• 1:06:25Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a blue interior? I was looking at the pictures and I am astonished, it's black, I am astonished by how nice it looks. The backseats are like, I mean, backseats are often pretty nice in cars. This car's never been used by anybody. And Reggie, it goes, in his statement, he goes into how much he likes low mileage cars. Clearly, he like bought it and wanted to keep it like.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  Well, you can see the background of some of the other photos, you can see other cars that are not necessarily collector cars traditionally.

• 1:06:48Doug DeMuro?

  I disagree.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  But you can tell are like kept to that standard.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  Cars, yeah. Like this 4Runner, there's a 4Runner back there that I bet's got the same. Anybody, if you buy this Range Rover, ask Reggie about his 4Runner, you might be able to get a twofer.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  Well, and it's, you, so you Google Reg, uh, Reggie Jackson's car collections, you see like Meacham results, like, but real cars.

• 1:07:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  But he's one of us. He's also like, he's like the kind of guy that would own an SLR and a P38, or a G-Wagon cab and a Countach. Like, he has a crappy car and a good car.

• 1:07:17Doug DeMuro?

  Never forget.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  They cancel each other out.

• 1:07:19Doug DeMuro?

  That after Gas Monkey Garage put that F40 back together, they sold it to Reggie Jackson. And he had it for a little while, and then he sold it to a Ponzi schemer, and then I tried to buy it, and, uh, unfortunately, the seller was a Ponzi schemer.

• 1:07:35Doug DeMuro?

  Gonna be tough.

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  I want to talk about one other celebrity car.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  That, I can't wait to see how that ends. So I'm so into that.

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  How does, how do you put a number on a, it's not even a full range, a full-size Range Rover. So how do you put a number on a super-low-mile Range Rover Sport?

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  I Oakland.

• 1:07:51Doug DeMuro?

  That was a Reggie Jackson, oh, it's bizarre.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  In period, I thought the sports were really cool and I kinda wanted one.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  They were cool.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  Now, I want nothing to do with it.

• 1:07:58Doug DeMuro?

  But Reggie didn't buy it because it's a sport or a full, he bought it because it was a low-mile car. Like he said, and so it was just what was available. Oh, this looks pretty cherry.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Add it to your list of low-mile Survivor cars you've got for sale, but that thing is just, I love every, every word of that option.

• 1:08:13Doug DeMuro?

  So good.

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  Shout out to Aerosmith drummer Joey Kramer, who has, who's selling an LC-500 and an RS3 with us.

• 1:08:20Doug DeMuro?

  Aerosmith drummer Joey Kramer is selling these cars with us. This LC is legit. It's a 24, so this is the one you want. It's the updated infotainment, it's owned by Aerosmith. Look at those drumsticks in the listing, he's signed them, folks.

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Killer. He's off cars.

• 1:08:36Doug DeMuro?

  He was liquidated.

• 1:08:37Speaker 04

  Or, or maybe he's consolidating up. We don't, we don't know.

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  This guy is a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Nick, you ever, you ever a Hall of Fame member?

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  I'm from Cleveland-ish.

• 1:08:46Doug DeMuro?

  You want to hear an interesting story about Hall of Fames? Type in to your search bar.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  These match the color.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, that's, that's even cooler.

• 1:08:54Doug DeMuro?

  But not the LCs.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  No, but they match the RS3 colors.

• 1:08:57Doug DeMuro?

  Type into your search bar Nevada Hall of Fame license plate. I'm about to change your entire life today, Felipe.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Alright, I will, I will participate.

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  Nevada Hall of Fame, Sean, you have to edit out Felipe's slowness. Hall of, okay, it's fine.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Hall of Fame license plate.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, go to images.

• 1:09:17Doug DeMuro?

  Nevada has a license plate that says on the side of it, "Hall of Fame," and you're thinking...

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  I think I sold one of those for you.

• 1:09:22Doug DeMuro?

  You're thinking, "What does this mean?" Here's the answer. If you were a member of a Hall of Fame, I swear to God, this is true.

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  Any Hall of Fame?

• 1:09:29Doug DeMuro?

  Any Hall of Fame, as long as you can prove it. When you register your car, you can get the Hall of Fame license plate. I swear to God.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  How many are out?

• 1:09:39Doug DeMuro?

  You've got to assume three. It's ridiculous on its face.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Well, what happens if they get a thousand?

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  They go to letters.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Not only do you have to be in the Hall of Fame, but then you have to want to display it on your plate.

• 1:09:49Doug DeMuro?

  And it's generic. It's not like it says baseball Hall of Fame. You're just a Hall of Famer of something.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  Can we start our own Hall of Fame, then people from Nevada can reach out?

• 1:10:00Doug DeMuro?

  We should look up the rules. We should look up the license plate rules and see what actually is required.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  Technically, Filippo and I are number two and number three on the most followed people on Cars and Biz.

• 1:10:08Doug DeMuro?

  That's a Hall of Fame.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  It's the Hall of Fame.

• 1:10:10Doug DeMuro?

  Show up. This is an actual thing. Obviously, no other state has it, although Massachusetts has a license plate for Olympians. And so does Rhode Island. Okay.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say, I am annoyed that Nick is above me here.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  We're three and four.

• 1:10:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's not even close anymore.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:10:24Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you might beat out Hoovy here.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  I'm catching up.

• 1:10:28Doug DeMuro?

  We don't want to, folks, go follow Hoovy. Go follow Hoovy. Hoovy's real. Nick is...

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  Follow me.

• 1:10:33Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's an automatic guy.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  I'm selling real cars on this site.

• 1:10:35Doug DeMuro?

  We can't have automatic transmission Nick be second. I agree. Hoovy has sold real cars. Click on his profile.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Yes, Hoovy sells a lot. By the way, he posted a video today in which he went to sell a couple cars. Think we should have a word with him.

• 1:10:46Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. All right. What's he trying to sell?

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  The MyBok 62.

• 1:10:49Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you want to have a...

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  He's already floated it to me, and I'm just never in a position at the moment he floats, but...

• 1:10:56Doug DeMuro?

  Hoovy sold a ton of stuff. Where you been on these cars?

• 1:10:59Speaker 03

  Uh, okay. I've been on a couple of them.

• 1:11:01Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta move on to questions. Questions, of course, are brought to you by Nick's collection of automatic transmission cars. Nick, he only likes automatics. Uh, okay.

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  Panted.

• 1:11:11Doug DeMuro?

  First question from Century Bug. Oh, by the way, you can ask us questions. carsandbids.com, click on Community. There'll be a post in there that says questions. Do it, because this week's questions were not good. It goes up and down.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  That's so sad.

• 1:11:21Doug DeMuro?

  There's great ones, and there's bad ones. There's great ones, and there's bad ones.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  There were like 400 of them.

• 1:11:25Doug DeMuro?

  We need good questions, folks. We thrive on them. From Century Bug, this is one for you. Hey Doug, in 2018, you awarded the Hummer H2 the dubious honor of being the most embarrassing vehicle you can drive. Has the title changed hands since then?

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:11:44Doug DeMuro?

  To what?

• 1:11:44Speaker 03

  Cybertruck.

• 1:11:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's what came to mind.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  I mean, it is such an emblematic, it is the H2 in every way. It's like ostentatious in your face, hard to miss, bought by a particular buyer segment.

• 1:11:54Doug DeMuro?

  And I would argue the H2 is getting a little connoisseur-y.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  I'm into the H2 so well.

• 1:12:01Doug DeMuro?

  Go to H2, like when I see one now, the ones that have, did not get exported to Russia, did not get horribly modified.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, the super clean OE ones.

• 1:12:09Doug DeMuro?

  Like the ones that are left.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:11Doug DeMuro?

  Which none of these are.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  The SUT, no, this one's pretty nice.

• 1:12:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty nice. It's got some wheels, but it's pretty nice. Do you see them and you're like, you know? It's not as embarrassing as it used to be.

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  And they're not as big and gaudy as they used to be because all other cars have gotten so big.

• 1:12:24Doug DeMuro?

  They don't look that big anymore. You see an H2, like, is that an H3? We don't know.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  Right. It's definitely not the H2 anymore.

• 1:12:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's probably the Cybertruck. I agree with you. I can't think of anything more embarrassing than the Cybertruck, can you?

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  There are, and I think about this a lot when I see them on the road, but the Cybertruck's the lowest hanging fruit, I think, of all these cars.

• 1:12:44Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, QX50?

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:12:46Doug DeMuro?

  No. QX50?

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  It's too nondescript to be that.

• 1:12:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:12:50Speaker 03

  It's too nondescript, because otherwise my answer would be the BZ4X.

• 1:12:53Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, BZ4X.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  Why did you make that decision?

• 1:12:56Doug DeMuro?

  BZ4X.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Have you Googled? It's very, the mainstream doesn't get these, though. Like, these are just for us.

• 1:13:02Doug DeMuro?

  Did you do any research?

• 1:13:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think the Cybertruck.

• 1:13:06Doug DeMuro?

  Have you Googled? That is what I want to ask people who have BZ4Xs. What happened? Was the lease deal, was, your lease was ending and it was in your RAV4 and the deal was so good?

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  You gotta hope.

• 1:13:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, it's either BZ4X or a Cybertruck. Oh, by the way, when we post this, people are gonna freak in the comments. The Cybertruck's not embarrassing? What are you talking about? You're a bunch of liberals.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's tough to look at. I'm trying to think of other things that are in that.

• 1:13:34Doug DeMuro?

  And it's also because, like, you know the person driving loves it. Yeah, this is cool, right, guys? Right, right? That's how like all Cybertruck owners like are mentally. And it's like, no.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  I think they're past like of the stages of grief. They're more into like the um bargaining stage where they're like, okay, well, it's functional. It has all these advantages like they're justifying it rather than trying to go on face value. If it looks cool.

• 1:13:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think they still think it looks cool. And I think that it only looks cool to other Cybertruck owners or prospective Cybertruck owners. And the rest of us are all like.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  And I think they're all regretting losing 50 grand.

• 1:14:09Doug DeMuro?

  Tell you this, Reggie Jackson, he ain't driving no Cybertruck.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  So cool. New hero.

• 1:14:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from MVSJ. Doug, this week, Harry took a Cullinan off road to do donuts around his farm. When do you think you'll hit this level of degaff with car reviews?

• 1:14:26Doug DeMuro?

  Every time I think I don't care the most, like we do one of these podcasts and I say stuff that I absolutely shouldn't have said. Harry does donuts in a Cullinan or buys a Levante.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  Donuts in a Cullinan doesn't sound that extreme.

• 1:14:38Doug DeMuro?

  No, but he just doesn't.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  We can go do that.

• 1:14:41Doug DeMuro?

  Can we? Sure. I'm busy. I got stuff going on. Harry doesn't. He gets a Cullinan and he does donuts in soft mud.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Well, if we had soft mud, we'd do it.

• 1:14:48Doug DeMuro?

  We don't have soft mud. We don't have the time. We're doing other stuff that we do care about. Like, Harry is a winner.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  Where? But we got, we could find a guy. I mean, you just need water and dirt.

• 1:14:59Doug DeMuro?

  But it never rains and it's not dirty.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  It rained a ton last month.

• 1:15:03Speaker 04

  You just need water and dirt.

• 1:15:04Doug DeMuro?

  The point is.

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  Sean's got a guy. Producer Sean with the bad color G. We haven't brought him up yet. He had a dirt guy, remember when we did the adventure series? And he's like, I got a guy that has like a sand area. And he did.

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  True.

• 1:15:17Doug DeMuro?

  But you know, but think about what you're saying.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:19Doug DeMuro?

  In order to do that, we have to drive out to the sand area, get the dirt guy, get a watered down sand guy. Harry just takes a Cullinan and does donuts.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  Was this a viewer car?

• 1:15:28Doug DeMuro?

  I, I didn't, I haven't seen this episode yet, but I will.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  The, related note, but that Benteke at the fat ice race that someone did an overland build on. So cool. I'm so here for it. No, they're never gonna build a Lemieux or a Dominator.

• 1:15:42Doug DeMuro?

  It's a wild build.

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  It is. It looks great.

• 1:15:43Doug DeMuro?

  It's an unbelievable build.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  And it looks so good. Like there is no reason.

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  That was not a good typing.

• 1:15:49Doug DeMuro?

  It looks so good.

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  That should be an OE car.

• 1:15:52Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't done, yeah.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Tomorrow.

• 1:15:54Doug DeMuro?

  Totally should be an OE car. If they did this, it would be like G wagons. Why don't you do this Bentley?

• 1:15:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, four by four squared for Bentley, basically.

• 1:16:01Doug DeMuro?

  It's so cool. Those wheels are so cool.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  That roof rack, everything.

• 1:16:05Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody's always like, if I was rich, I would daily drive it at forty. If I was.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Doug DeMuro?

  I would make a Bentley. I can't afford to do that, unfortunately. I would love to.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  Can you not? I mean, what's a Benetaga? Fifty grand, fifty grand?

• 1:16:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but this is all custom stuff.

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is a new one.

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  There is, there is no, this is a new one, yeah, but there is no suspension parts and.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  You have to imagine though, all the Cayenne overland parts have some cross compatibility.

• 1:16:28Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, maybe you're right. There's the bumper is, is custom fab though. Like this is, this is, this was work. This was work.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  Benetagas are sixties.

• 1:16:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. God, I still want one so bad.

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  Consider it sixty. Can I also say?

• 1:16:39Doug DeMuro?

  That one's in Louisiana.

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  Uh, the, I also am a fan of the Rivian Rad.

• 1:16:43Doug DeMuro?

  Cars in Louisiana are always cheaper.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, the Rad stuff's pretty cool.

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  Like, it looks cool.

• 1:16:47Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of, the next question comes from Cars for Africa. I want to address this question, even though it's not, doesn't include you guys, and I apologize. Cars for Africa, Doug, you sang the praises of the R1T in one of your long reviews of any car. You gave it close to one of the highest Doug scores. Then you said the same thing about the R1S. You have an EV charger at home and has three rows for your family. It's a capable off-road SUV. It looks great. Why do you not have one? Because, um, we have two cars, uh, for, for family purposes. One, I get this question all the time, which is why I'm answering this. Um, yeah, you count the nine nine three.

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:17:14Doug DeMuro?

  That, we had a few cars, but the main cars, we have two cars. And, um, my, my big Sequoia, I only, I use to drive across the country. And I, you can't drive across the country in an electric car. Now, there's a lot of people, I drove across the country in an electric car. It takes too long for me. Uh, I, I like to do sixteen hundred mile days and you ain't doing that in no electric car. I'll tell you that. So that's why I have not bought an electric car to replace that car. And the other car is smaller and we don't want a full-size SUV for that, like around this city.

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  I will say, and EV is such an obvious fit for that other car.

• 1:17:47Doug DeMuro?

  It is.

• 1:17:48Speaker 04

  Mercedes doesn't offer an EV class wagon.

• 1:17:49Doug DeMuro?

  When there is an EV Mercedes Benz station wagon, we'll, um, make that move.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  No, because they won't have three rows.

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  You're stuck with your 213 forever. I'm not even joking.

• 1:18:01Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta get filled to do the alignment. All right, um, here's a question from, there are a couple of good ones, I admit now. Okay, big skier guy, Filippo, how's your 997.2 Targa 4S after a few months?

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  It's so good. It's just such a competent car. It was, it was fun to have kids in the backseat and like, show them a sports car. They're used to a 2014 Corolla and a Subaru Outback.

• 1:18:23Doug DeMuro?

  Jeez.

• 1:18:24Speaker 04

  So it was, I think, very fun for them to be in something a little sportier. But also like, I've been daily driving it. I drove to LA two days ago, driving around traffic here around San Diego, use it every day. It's so good. It's so competent. It's just able to do all the things really well. And it's fun and it sounds great and I really, really like it.

• 1:18:40Doug DeMuro?

  I came up on one today on the road.

• 1:18:42Speaker 04

  I know, I can't believe that.

• 1:18:43Doug DeMuro?

  A 997.2 black Targa 4S.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  It wasn't me.

• 1:18:46Doug DeMuro?

  And I was on, I was merging onto the freeway and it was up there. I was like, that's Filippo, I gotta catch up to him. And it was an old guy.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  Yep, that's every other owner of 997.2. But I legitimately love my car very much.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  Any, any regrets?

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  None.

• 1:18:59Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  Anything you don't like about the car?

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:19:02Doug DeMuro?

  The wheel color, the wheels.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  The wheels are a little bit, were refinished at some point and are a little bit dark.

• 1:19:09Doug DeMuro?

  They look like permanently bright.

• 1:19:10Speaker 04

  They, they do look a little permanently bright.

• 1:19:12Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta paint the wheels.

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  At some point, I think I will.

• 1:19:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? I'm gonna give you right now, I'm gonna give you some cash. Nick, you got any money?

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  I honestly don't.

• 1:19:22Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you know what you do?

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  My, my daughter's about to lose her tooth and we needed tooth fairy money. And I was like, I literally have $2 and I put it in a safe so that I wouldn't spend it, so that if her tooth falls out, we're prepared.

• 1:19:32Doug DeMuro?

  What are you giving? I got friends, Nick, listen to this. I got friends.

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  Congratulations.

• 1:19:36Doug DeMuro?

  Whose tooth came out, the daughter, and they gave her 20 bucks.

• 1:19:39Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:19:39Doug DeMuro?

  Do you believe that?

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  That's insane.

• 1:19:41Doug DeMuro?

  Do you believe that?

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  Inflation is real, but yeah.

• 1:19:43Doug DeMuro?

  Come on. I was like, oh my God, is that the expectation? I gotta give my kid 20 bucks?

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  I'm not doing 20 bucks.

• 1:19:48Doug DeMuro?

  What do you give?

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  $2 apparently.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  I, I honestly, I think one's fine.

• 1:19:52Doug DeMuro?

  I think I got like a half dollar when I was a kid or something like that.

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  I don't remember. I, Lira were worth nothing, so who knows?

• 1:19:58Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:19:59Speaker 04

  You probably got $10,000. Probably $10,000. It would've been like a thousand Lira.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  50 cents-ish.

• 1:20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, next question.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  Get our Starbucks gift card.

• 1:20:09Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from some bloke. Is there a market for a new Cadillac XLR based on the C8?

• 1:20:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:20:16Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's an interesting question because they tried the XLR and it kind of failed. It kind of got this reputation of being like a softer boomer Corvette. Cadillac is going to F1 now and they're in IMSA. And obviously they're trying to create these performance credentials. The only real performance cars they have are the blackling cars, which we have to assume go away. Um, you wonder, don't you?

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  And I feel like Cadillac's image has improved a lot since the XLR where they were like

• 1:20:42Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  super old man. Like they've got some good stuff.

• 1:20:44Doug DeMuro?

  The problem, the problem is you'd have to, the E-Ray probably should have been a Cadillac.

• 1:20:48Speaker 04

  I think, I think if they did one, it would have to be E-Ray.

• 1:20:50Doug DeMuro?

  You, you, you have to distinguish it somehow from the C8 and that's hard to do because the C8 now runs the total gamut.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:20:57Doug DeMuro?

  But I actually think they, I don't think they're gonna do it because I think that they're, they're scared off and it's GM and they don't do it.

• 1:21:02Speaker 04

  They don't make it in cars.

• 1:21:04Doug DeMuro?

  They don't make it.

• 1:21:04Speaker 04

  The only new Cadillacs you see are, are Escalade IQs.

• 1:21:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  Truly.

• 1:21:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Right. It's a weird brain to go to F1. They should have gone to F1 with Chevrolet.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I, I think it would, it could work. The E-Ray is the obvious contender. You re-style it, you make it look Cadillac-y, you make it a little bit more leathery and screen-y because that's what Cadillac is now.

• 1:21:24Doug DeMuro?

  But the problem is the C8 is pretty nice inside. It would be hard to really upgrade it to the point where it would be comfortable. And one of the reasons that they were able to do it with the XLR is they ditched the regular powertrain and they put in the North Star because it was smoother. And that solved the problem that the Corvette had, which at the time was a C6 and it was rough. The drawback though is you, you lose this powertrain, you have to, at the time they had the North Star, they probably don't have a powertrain.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  Yep. I think you accept that you're not getting more power, but you're, you have a different, I think you have like a style-based selling point because everybody kind of accepted the C8 as in the most beautiful car.

• 1:21:56Doug DeMuro?

  True. It's not refined and I think it would be difficult to, I guess my point is you would have to put in a different powertrain.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  Would you?

• 1:22:02Doug DeMuro?

  The C8, it's, it's loud. It's really loud.

• 1:22:04Speaker 04

  I think you could quiet it down.

• 1:22:05Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. The, the partial hybrid have like quiet modes. I would make it a shooting brake because that would distinguish it visually. And give a little bit more space for your golf clubs and everything.

• 1:22:15Doug DeMuro?

  That would be cool as hell.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  And us enthusiasts, much like the original CTSV wagon, like all the magazine journalists and such would freak out over it.

• 1:22:22Doug DeMuro?

  That would be cool as hell. If they did a C- that's, that is your differentiation.

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  That Zagato Aston Martin shooting brake thing, like it was so cool for an otherwise weird car.

• 1:22:30Doug DeMuro?

  Shooting brakes are have like a level of class that the regular car doesn't have. Pull up. I'm sure there's someone's done it. C8 Corvette shooting brake.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  You got it.

• 1:22:36Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up. Pull it up fully. Oh, you know, I did that in one of the videos. I was like, pull it up. And someone commented like Doug is a tyrant. And I'm like.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Like, yes, what does that have to do with anything?

• 1:22:48Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not, I don't need any of this. I don't care.

• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  It might be AI, but it's.

• 1:22:51Doug DeMuro?

  It is AI, but you get the idea. Let's do that.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, it would not be like black wingy and that we love the black wing because they're auto, they're, excuse me, they're manuals offered. They're like, they're cool.

• 1:23:01Doug DeMuro?

  Go back.

• 1:23:01Speaker 04

  Nah.

• 1:23:02Doug DeMuro?

  Look on that. Look on that one.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  It's a, it would not be that. There, there, there's no world where you have a manual.

• 1:23:06Doug DeMuro?

  He's the tyrant.

• 1:23:09Speaker 00

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• 1:23:39Doug DeMuro?

  No, you can't do a manual. You're right. So it would be, it would lose what some of the, some of the benefit of what the black wing has. However, that's cool as hell. We already ideated on this podcast. We created the Lincoln Bronco, the new Xterra, and now we are creating this. Do a shooting brake C8 and make it a Cadillac to lean into Formula One.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  And make it pretty.

• 1:23:58Doug DeMuro?

  If Cadillac wins Formula One, they'll make a C8 shooting brake Cadillac.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  It'd be a great, uh, safety car for F1.

• 1:24:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it would be.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  Imagine that leading out like.

• 1:24:05Doug DeMuro?

  It so would be.

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  XLR.

• 1:24:08Speaker 03

  I would renew my F1 TV subscription if they did that.

• 1:24:10Doug DeMuro?

  I want to do two, two more very, very, very, very quick ones. Uh, from Ark Latex V12. On the previous episode, a lot was said about the California becoming more appreciated for the merits. However, is there not a very similar car that matches or beats it in almost every category? The R172 SLK 55. And then he goes on a long ode to the SLK 55. I am one of the few people.

• 1:24:33Speaker 03

  I, I bet I know what he drives.

• 1:24:34Doug DeMuro?

  I am one of the few people who love. Have you ever been in one of these cars?

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:24:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's a Miata sized car with a massive V8. It is a raucous car.

• 1:24:41Speaker 03

  And they are so cheap.

• 1:24:42Doug DeMuro?

  They are so cheap. They are so cool. It is way louder than it should be. It is way faster than it should be. They never should have done this. And in fact, they later switched away from a V8 and went back to a turbo six cylinder.

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  355 horsepower in the car that sounds like a Miata.

• 1:24:58Doug DeMuro?

  Miata size.

• 1:24:59Speaker 04

  The issue is that it's in no way similar to a Ferrari California in any way, shape or form.

• 1:25:03Doug DeMuro?

  It is an NAV8. Have you considered?

• 1:25:07Speaker 03

  And it's got the girl vibe, do it like this is the hairdresser car.

• 1:25:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's like the lesser car. But in actuality, if you know what you're, when I see him on the street, I saw one just the other day. And I was, I, every time I have like super respect for it. You ever think about getting one of these?

• 1:25:19Speaker 04

  No. I don't buy automatic.

• 1:25:20Doug DeMuro?

  You ever driven one? You don't buy automatic pickup truck and mail them.

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  I inherited one and I, the station marketing is only available as such.

• 1:25:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's only available as such. Well, this is also only available as such.

• 1:25:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:25:31Speaker 03

  I bet we could swap it.

• 1:25:32Doug DeMuro?

  I do think it's really cool.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  It's a 55, it should be swappable. Crossfire would probably bolt up great.

• 1:25:36Doug DeMuro?

  Years ago, what the, the day I met Sam, I was in Charleston and I turreled one of these.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:25:45Doug DeMuro?

  And the dude, it was South Carolina, so there's no rules. And so the dude had it straight piped and you should have heard.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 1:25:54Doug DeMuro?

  You should have heard. And I'm in downtown Charleston is the most like quiet, genteel place imaginable. Like more than anywhere, like Buckingham Palace is like a rowdy bar compared to downtown Charleston. And I'm driving around and it's, it's a, it looks like it wouldn't be loud, but it, what is, it's a V8. It's a straight pipe. So absurd. And I loved every minute of it.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 1:26:18Doug DeMuro?

  And I've never forgotten that experience.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  Didn't you review one recently?

• 1:26:21Doug DeMuro?

  I want you to have one. Yeah, I did review one not that long ago. We sold on the site.

• 1:26:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I'll find it.

• 1:26:27Doug DeMuro?

  I want you to have one, Filippo.

• 1:26:29Speaker 04

  I'm, I think it's an incredibly cool car. I'm not interested.

• 1:26:32Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I'm interested for you. Okay, last question, last question. Some guy's long, random username. Is there ever going to, it was like one of those things where they hit the keyboard. Is there ever going to be movement in the GT4 market? Seems like any year, any spec is the same price as two to three years ago. You know why, folks? Because it's the nucleus sports car.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  Well, and also there's no, by the way, there is movement in the Dino 308. The reason is that they're not making more. The 718, the Cayman is dead. The next one maybe will exist in this form, but won't be as pure. Certainly, and there may not be a non-EV one. And so they retain value.

• 1:27:15Doug DeMuro?

  They retain value. They're so good. Very poor made. They're incredible to drive. They're just, they're perfect cars. They're so nice.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  I'm not a Porsche guy, so let me just ask you guys a clarifying question. Is there movement in the 4S market? Because I sense that that is not as hot as they expected.

• 1:27:28Doug DeMuro?

  4RS.

• 1:27:29Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, those have cooled mathematically.

• 1:27:31Doug DeMuro?

  The 4RSs and the Spyder RSs have cooled. People don't want tip. They just don't want tip. Plus, they built a lot of these and they were very expensive. You know, Porsche saw what happened with GT4s with the other cars and they decided instead of people making money, reselling them, Porsche will go and make the money. And they did. Uh, but, but the result of that has been that they have depreciated.

• 1:27:49Speaker 04

  And the PDK. And there will be other cool PDK cars. There aren't that many great neutral manual.

• 1:27:55Doug DeMuro?

  But it's not a tip, it's a PDK. People say that to me and it's like, I don't have time for you. Uh, okay, that was our podcast. It was the finest podcast we've ever done in our entire lives. Nick, stand up again. Show us, show us what you got.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Take a bow.

• 1:28:08Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely.

• 1:28:09Speaker 04

  By the way, the Fast and the Furious exhibit at the Peterson opens March 14th. If you want to go check it out.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  They will have the Supra.

• 1:28:15Speaker 04

  They may have the Shorts, we don't know.

• 1:28:16Doug DeMuro?

  The Fast and the Furious exhibit at Peterson opens March 14th, but Nick is ready today.

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  Like most southern states, he's open for business.

• 1:28:23Doug DeMuro?

  Go bid on Reggie Jackson's.

• 1:28:24Speaker 03

  Oh, movie's also selling an SVT Lightning. The red one from the movie.

• 1:28:29Doug DeMuro?

  Boom.

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  Not actually screen used, but close enough.

• 1:28:31Doug DeMuro?

  Fast and the Furious again. Here we are. Goodbye, everyone.

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