The Snack: Blue Tsunami, Costume Controversy, and Love is Blind Meltdown

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: VOTING IN THE MIDTERMS! Halloween costume backlash: Paris Hilton, Martha Stewart, McCall DaPron Who did Dumb and Dumber better? Did Heidi Klum go too far? Amanda Batula and Kyle Cooke getting messy in the comments Debating the latest Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard controversy Love is Blind finale recap (and thoughts on Rob’s meltdown) Headlines: NYC Marathon, Brewers win the World Series, Bill Belichick and JordOn break up, TJ Holmes and Amy Robach’s exes get married Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Anthropologie: Shop must have holiday gifts at https://anthropologie.com/all-gifts. Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster at https://rocketmoney.com/gge. Fi: Get 30% off and free shipping on GPS and health trackers for dogs and cats at https://fitracking.com with code GGE. ZiBiotics: Get 15% off pre-alcohol at https://zbiotics.com/gge with code GGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Rayna Greenberg?

  This week on the snack, costume controversy, midterm elections and summer house gossip is back.

• 0:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Thank God. This is a Tier Media Production.

• 0:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Enjoy.

• 0:13Rayna Greenberg?

  What were we gonna talk about? I felt your show was running out of steam without Amanda West. I'd like to thank Amanda West for keeping us employed.

• 0:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  We also had to quit the snack. I don't know. What a summer and a spring we had. It's just been, there's nothing going on. No, nothing going on in the world. No, it is election day and the vibes are so high. I feel high. Like Rain, I woke up this morning, first thing I saw Abdul Al Sayed's hype video. I was about to run through a wall. Like I just saw so much content. I was messaging with Ray Padilla. He was like, I can't like like stuff fast enough. And like another friend was like, I don't know how we're supposed to work today. I'm like, this needs to be a national holiday. Like there is so much at stake and I just feel so good. And I'm like, I don't even know how we're supposed to work today.

• 1:02Rayna Greenberg?

  So what is happening in New York right now is so crazy because we had Saturday night Halloween party into Sunday marathon. I don't know if you know this, but this will only happen seven times over a course of 50 years that you get Saturday night Halloween parade, Sunday morning marathon, right into the midterm elections. And I don't, okay, I'm curious if like other people feel like this. And I feel like it's probably a common feeling, but like, do you cry every time you vote? Cause I get like really choked up walking into the polling places and seeing all these people there that have like volunteered their time, that have showed up to work there. And every person in that room either fucking put us in this position or is going to help us get out of it. And I feel like very emotional every time I go.

• 1:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, but only in the last six to eight years. Like I didn't used to fucking cry when I voted. I mean, I was happy to vote for Barack Obama twice, but it's just changed. Like I was thinking about this, like things make us so much more emotional. The highs are so high, the lows are so low, like what we've been through. And then you enter that room and you're like, probably most of the people in here, if you're voting in a midterm election in New York and LA, feel the same way. And it's gotta feel even better if you feel like you're around like-minded people in a red state, you know? And so it is an emotional experience. All these people are volunteering their time. They're always so nice. Every time I got changed my address, they gotta do it for me. Like I'm never not moving. And so I just always have such a positive experience.

• 2:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so as we record, we're recording on election day in the thick of it. I went yesterday and I was melting down. My computer crashed in the morning and I was like, I need a hit. I need to vote today. I went over to my old neighborhood. I love that voting place. And I just felt so good afterwards. And there were 62 things on the ballot. So you posted this morning, your little story. Takes five minutes to vote. Not in Santa Monica, bitch.

• 2:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm trying to encourage other people to vote. Okay. You can't tell people this, you know?

• 2:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not telling, I'm telling them now. I was never going to say this before, while I was not going to tell people while I'm encouraging them to vote, that there were 62 things on the fucking ballot. So I had like notes, like I want to take it seriously. And a lot of it's like yes, no, and all these propositions, but there's so much on it and I did so much research. Like this is a privilege and I want to exercise it in the right way.

• 3:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course. I mean, you, it's funny. You said that like past eight years ago, you don't remember crying. I don't remember a time past eight years ago. Like I don't remember when like this orange man wasn't just like crushing my soul on a daily basis. Yeah, I don't remember a time I cried after an election or cried to vote.

• 3:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  During voting. I know. Like low key, I, I can't, I can't quite remember if I voted in 2012. I think I was busy.

• 3:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I was gonna ask you if you even voted.

• 3:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I cannot remember. There was one year, obviously I voted for Barack Obama in 08. I was so excited to do it. And I think, I think in 2012, I was like, he's got it. But I really am not sure. I remember being really busy. I was just like a dumb, what 28, 29 year old. Like, I don't know. I was like, he's, how's he not going to win again? Please.

• 4:06Rayna Greenberg?

  New York is comforting. Like whether I go over there or not, it's just gonna be the same outcome. But like, I feel like I want to stand outside of voting places and be like, good game, good game, good game, good game. Like it's just, it's a nice feeling.

• 4:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  There should be like a little like bar afterwards. You know what I'm picturing? Like when you land in Mexico and then there's

• 4:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  there's always like margarita, little bars. Everyone's got a Corona margarita in hand. Like that's what we need. We need the Cancun airport vibes, the Cabo airport vibes outside of these polling places.

• 4:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Hell yeah. You can't do that in America, right? You can't just like stand outside of an airport with a tray of alcohol.

• 4:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  An airport? Wouldn't it be nice if you could do it here? Maybe we could start this.

• 4:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. You know where I think it should be legal is in Vegas where Ashley and I will be next Thursday night, last stop of my tour. Ashley and I will be in Detroit Wednesday night, Vegas Thursday. That is it. End of the tour.

• 4:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Why are you looking at me like that? No, I cannot believe we get to go to Michigan after Abdul Al Sayed wins this race. Like we have a blue tsunami. And so he, Rain, I'm so obsessed with him. Like Shashank will look over and he's like, what are you, you're scrolling Abdul again? Like I can't stop. Like we haven't seen riz like this since Obama, I swear to God. And so I cannot believe we're going to go to Michigan. Invite him to the show. I'm sure he'll show up. He's been doing so many podcasts.

• 5:23Rayna Greenberg?

  You should DM him. Okay. So you guys, come celebrate the win in Michigan with us next week on Wednesday, November 11th, 11 11, a lucky day. And then come to the last, honestly, it's your tour stop. Me and Ashley, I'm ending it right with her in Vegas. Bring the girls and everybody, rainagreenberg.com. And then you never have to listen to me talk about this ever again. You guys are too lucky.

• 5:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys do not want to miss these two, especially Vegas, the end of the tour. All of our friends are going to be there. It's getting completely out of control and it's just going to be so, so fun. It's going to be just incredible. I truly cannot wait. I can't wait to see all you guys there. And I'm so excited to get back on stage. I don't know. I haven't done stand up in quite a while. So thanks for letting me come work it out.

• 6:03Rayna Greenberg?

  We could just sit on the floor and talk.

• 6:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm just gonna talk about Abdul. I'm just gonna be out there. They're gonna be like, get her off the stage. What is this? A rally? It's so Macklemore of me.

• 6:13Rayna Greenberg?

  We came to this place not for politics and then she invited Ashley.

• 6:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I'm going full Macklemore. Rain is like, I didn't expect you to do it. Like we're aligned, but I didn't want it. Okay. So today, as we record, it starts like a real whirlwind trip for me. So New York, I'll be in New York and we have our show for the New York Comedy Fest. We have recordings. We have all kinds of things. Then go to Detroit with you, then go to Vegas, two days in Vegas, craziness, the whole thing. And then I come home Saturday and go straight to this gala Saturday night for Wags and Walks. Like I can't believe the amount of outfits, all the things I've had a plan for, but I did just want to tell you guys about it. Cause I always like to talk about my dog fostering journey on the snack. And this is the organization I've been fostering with, Wags and Walks. Obviously they're based here in LA and they have a Nashville branch as well. And this is their biggest fundraiser of the year that helps them do what they do.

• 6:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was over at the center last week. Just what they're doing is just so incredible. They have this new facility with all this medical team in there. And so this is just going to be such a fabulous night. I don't think I'm allowed to say like all the celebs that are going to be there. But Rain, it's a kind of crazy, like one specific person that we've talked about a lot, like huge celebrity. I'm sure Jason Tardik will be there with his fiance and just a bunch of people. I'll be there of course. And there's like drinks, dancing, live auctions, island auction, the whole night. It's their big gala dress up and you guys can come wagsonwalks.org, Los Angeles events, click on that. And they have like tables, sponsorship. If you have a company you work for, you own, you want to do that too. Or you can just also buy tickets to the cocktail hour. So I'll be there. It's like a teal carpet, two hour cocktails. I'll be there. Kate Steinberg will be there.

• 7:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  I got a dress from Anthropologie, one of our partners today. And I'm just really excited. So check that out. That's in LA on Saturday, November 14th.

• 7:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm laughing because I may or may not be in LA next weekend with you. We're just like trying to work something out. So if we like book this thing, I'll be in LA with you. Can you help Shashank? He can't come and then I'll be your date.

• 8:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent. Like Raina, you know, she's such a dog lover. Meanwhile, Shashank's been on this fostering journey.

• 8:08Rayna Greenberg?

  He's been fostering with you. Sorry.

• 8:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina's a bigger get.

• 8:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Stay tuned.

• 8:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So check that out. But yeah, let's talk about our partners and then.

• 8:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Thanks. Speaking of anthropology, you guys can shop must have holiday gifts at anthropologie.com/all-gifts and Rocket Money. Reach your financial goals faster at rocketmoney.com/gge.

• 8:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to FII. Get 30% off and free shipping on GPS and health trackers for dogs and cats at fitracking.com with code GGE. And Zbiotics, get 15% off pre-alcohol at zbiotics.com/gge with code GGE. Okay. So we are going to kick it off with a costume controversy report. Listen, Halloween, it was nearly a week ago, but this Halloween went kind of crazy. Like people missed the mark and there was a lot of backlash, but we're going to talk about some of the lower level ones. And then we're going to end with a grand finale. That's just so still hard for me to comprehend, but.

• 9:07Rayna Greenberg?

  It's insane. Okay. So I mean, it is always shocking when anybody has like, sort of like a questionable costume. Cause you're like, there isn't information available about this. But okay. So yeah, we'll start, there's the new Mormon wives show. One of the stars, McCall Dapron, she dressed her family as the JFK assassination.

• 9:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel like that's a clickbait headline. Like they didn't dress as the assassination. Like there wasn't a gunshot wound and there wasn't blood. Like I'll let you finish, but like, I feel like I have a problem with the headline and I don't even know who this woman is. So I'm not defending her.

• 9:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So she's on the new season of Mormon wives, which we will be talking about next week on this show because they're a sponsor. She dressed as Jackie O in the assassination. So with the pink pillbox hat.

• 9:52Rayna Greenberg?

  So it was a choice. I mean, and you didn't even really need to drag your whole family into this. Like, what are you guys? Were the JFK assassins?

• 10:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ray, a stop. See, that's, again, this is where the internet like just runs wild with things. They obviously dressed up like the Kennedys. This is Jackie O's most famous look, obviously for the cultural significance of it. But like, listen, I don't know. You guys can pop off in the comments. You can disagree with me. I think they were paying homage. Like, it wasn't mocking. And it wasn't like, let's dress up as the family on assassination day. Like, maybe they should have thought it through more. But it feels like calling this an assassination costume is a stretch. Like, this is the look you pictured Jackie O in. But then the same note, that's why. Because that day, I don't know, like, for me, if you're like, you're dressing up like Jackie O, I'm going that look, that Chanel boucle, the hat. I don't know that I'd

• 10:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  recall the pink. But like, I would do that look. They are paying homage to the Kennedys, but yeah, tough decision there.

• 10:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Two of the kids are dressed as Secret Service, and her husband is dressed as JFK holding a flag.

• 10:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I didn't realize all that. The kids are looking, okay. You know what? They dressed as the assassination. Next.

• 11:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so next, Paris Hilton receives some backlash. She dressed up as Beauty and the Beast with her kids. She was Belle, her husband was the Beast, and her two kids, people got upset because her daughter was the teacup.

• 11:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what? I also am thinking this is a little bit of clickbait. Like, were people really upset over this? Like, so basically, people say she stole the show from her daughter. I'm sorry, I'm the star. What else are kids for besides being supporting actors on Halloween? Like, I'm still the main character. Like, I paid for this. If I did Beauty and the Beast, yeah, I'm Belle. Shoshanka is the Beast, and the kids are the candle and the clock or whatever the fuck. Like, I guess the daughter wanted to be the teacup. But the kids, I guess it would be cute to have the daughter be the princess, but that's not the vibes. Like, just size wise, the adults are the adults, and the kids are the accessories.

• 11:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, I think we're like defending the daughter's right to be the princess. But like, what if she really actually wanted to be the teacup?

• 11:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  She 100%. That's what Paris said. She was like, she wanted to be the teacup. It doesn't even really matter. Like, I'm the princess.

• 12:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna be the teacup? Let her be a clock or candlestick, or let her be Gaston. Who fucking cares?

• 12:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Dead ass, like, I'm gonna be Lumiere? I'm not. I'm the Belle. Paris Hilton, she's gonna be a clock.

• 12:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it's cute, little teacup. Okay. And yes, size wise, it does make the most sense. I'm not bothered by this. Okay. And maybe she wanted to be a teacup. Leave them alone.

• 12:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love family costumes. And I love couples costumes. I love friend group costumes. Like, I just love them more and more. And we'll talk about what Shoshanka and I dressed up as. But it's just like, I wouldn't think to not. Like, I love family costumes more than anything. Like, a lot of people were sending me this family that dressed up as Bad Bunny and all the grass. And like, well, the little kid was the star. So like, one of the little kids was like Bad Bunny, and like, the parents were the grass. Whatever you want to do is fine. But like, I'm not mad at Paris Hilton for this. She's a star.

• 12:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, Gray. What's Paris gonna do? Paris is gonna be a clock? Get out of here.

• 13:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, exactly. Okay. So lastly, Martha Stewart dressed up as a homeless person, and it's still hard to...

• 13:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I saw this come across my desk. I follow Martha Stewart and Martha Stewart Living. I see this photo. She has dirt on her face. She has a sign in front of her indicating that she's homeless. It's also an ad for her candles for QVC. And so I am like, surely, this is AI. This is not even like a good, like, fake. Like, this is clearly AI. No one would do this. That's insane.

• 13:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, let me ask you. Is this a victimless crime because the people she's mocking are not gonna see it? I'm kidding. Everyone relax. This was totally insensitive and out of touch. But Martha Stewart is openly out of touch. This was a crazy decision. It makes me wonder who's in her friend group, who's on her team, who allowed her to do this? Or do you just have to let Martha cook? She's 85. She apologized twice. The second one with a notes app, it was highlighted. I don't know if it was supposed to be highlighted or not. It was a mess. She said it was to raise awareness of homelessness. Ma'am, we don't believe.

• 14:09Rayna Greenberg?

  We know there's hope. What do you, I don't even understand what that means, raise awareness of the homeless, that there are homeless people?

• 14:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think she was trying to, like, backtrack.

• 14:18Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I know. But like, did she think that people would believe that? It's not like raising awareness of like cleft palates. It's, yeah. This is everyone's number one question, by the way.

• 14:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's 85. I'm not canceling her. I just, I wonder what's going on in her inner circle. But like, out of touch is a way that I would describe her, always. Like, it's just kind of who she is. Like, this was insensitive, and I don't like it. But, you know, we got, we gotta move on.

• 14:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I obviously wouldn't have done it. I don't like it. But yes, everyone's number one question is, how did this happen? You know somebody put that costume together for her? You know there was a makeup artist? It was probably, it was probably Daisy from Real Housewives of New York went over there and smudged some dirt on her face. Somebody helped her with that costume. Somebody took the picture. And like, she has a team. I do believe, by the way, that Martha Stewart is highly involved in her Instagram. I think she doesn't care. Her captions, her captions would lead you to believe that she's doing the post.

• 15:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's writing them. Yeah.

• 15:12Rayna Greenberg?

  And yes, she's 85. I mean, sometimes you just can't hold people that age to the same standards as society.

• 15:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Martha's an ex-con.

• 15:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Exactly.

• 15:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just let her cook.

• 15:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Why didn't she dress as an ex-con? She's like, I'm bringing awareness to the context. She's like, I don't have to dress as one. I am one every single day of my life.

• 15:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  My costume is not your culture.

• 15:34Rayna Greenberg?

  It was an ad.

• 15:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  My culture is not your costume. Sorry. I can't believe this happened. I can't believe it had, you know, I'm always so shook by things that I can't believe went through an approval process. But this specifically, you can't do this. It's not what we're doing.

• 15:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Somebody took that photo, and I would like to hear from that person.

• 15:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  100%. Yeah, where's the photo credit? So us, you guys may know if you listen to the podcast, Shoshanka and I were gonna do Dumb and Dumber. We were gonna dress up as Lloyd and Harry. And the day of Halloween, we see that Amanda and West did it. And they did this photo shoot. And, Ray, I was speechless. Like, what are the chances that we're gonna do a couples costume the same Halloween that America's worst couple does it also?

• 16:13Rayna Greenberg?

  And they did a photo shoot to boot?

• 16:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  People are doing photo shoots and fucking music videos. Kayla Nicole, Travis Kelsey's ex, who I've met her, she's really sweet. Did you see her Beyonce? Unbelievable.

• 16:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, while you're talking, I'm gonna look it up.

• 16:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, you don't even know. She does the Crazy in Love video, then she does the Partition video. Like, it's unreal.

• 16:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, of course. Like, Shoshanka and I did it better. And like, they didn't even do a reel. Like, there are so many iconic quotes from Dumb and Dumber. There's so much audio. We had trouble choosing what to even go with. But we chose audio for our reel TikTok that went with the actual costumes we were wearing, which people do a variety of different things. Also, we weren't the first people to come up with these costumes. But just the fact that we did it the same year as them, we were like, what the fuck? But, you know, we did it better. Also, but is this them, like, being, trying to be funny and be self-aware, like, Dumb and Dumber? I can never tell with the two of them. I could never tell if they like, are trying to be in on the joke or not. Like, she's not funny. I'm sure there's, she has good qualities. I don't know her personally. But she's not funny. He's funny.

• 17:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's funny. They are trying to be in on the joke, but people don't like them. That was the whole thing. When they went shopping with the pregnancy thing, and they got the pickles and the ice cream. Like, they are trying to be in on it, but no one likes them. So it doesn't work. So like, Dumb and Dumber, yeah, what we did was dumb. We're trying to be self-aware, but people are like, we don't like it.

• 17:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think that there's like, a lot of people online that are like, it's time to leave these people alone. And I agree that it's like, time for all the hate to just dissipate. It's over with. But like, I think people needed like, a break from them. And the amount of like, in-your-face that they have done, it's just been off-putting. I think people don't like it. People don't like them. And the whole Dumb and Dumber thing is them trying to like, tongue-in-cheek be in on the joke. And people are like, we don't want you to be in on the joke.

• 17:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  So also, Dumb and Dumber is one of my favorite movies of all time. I could quote it top to bottom. And their photo shoot was not really the vibe. They're trying to do this like, serious awkward family photo style. That's not Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber's like slapstick, really silly, really out there. Like, their photo shoot actually didn't match. I love a like, serious, that awkward family photo vibe. But that wasn't really what Dumb and Dumber is about. So it's like, they didn't even really nail the vibes on the photo shoot.

• 18:23Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I'm saying. They misunderstood the assignment.

• 18:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes. Okay, I just have to say one more thing. Heidi Klum. Okay, so Heidi Klum, obviously queen of Halloween and her costumes are the most

• 18:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Unsexy.

• 18:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, but labor intensive, shocking. And this year she was a severed hand, I guess her own hand. Like, I respect Heidi's craft. Reina, a severed body part, a severed body part. So I saw this video and this girl I know was interviewing her in the red carpet and she did great. And I messaged her and was like, I, you know, I tagged her and I was like, you're braver than me. And then we messaged back and forth a little bit. And she said she was interviewing her and the designer of the costume kept squirting blood into her mouth between interviews. So she would be like gushing blood out of her own mouth. Like, I, like, at what point is it too much? Like, I think Heidi Klum

• 19:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  would be a bloody tampon. Like, I think she would be a pus-filled pimple. Like, if she is a butthole cyst, I'm out. It's too close to home for me personally.

• 19:24Rayna Greenberg?

  My culture is not your costume.

• 19:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  My culture is not your costume. A severed body part, Reina, like a bloody hand. Like, it was brilliant. She's, the fingers are her legs. But I was like, Heidi, this is disgusting. It's hard to look at.

• 19:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought that we couldn't get worse than the worm slash turd that she was last year. And it's funny, she is like funny tongue in cheek. She's like, I'm a supermodel. I'm the greatest to ever do it. I will look as ugly as I want to. Like, that's funny to me. But like, this was just, it's not for me.

• 19:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like, it's that it's so gory. But listen, I still respect her and she's still the queen of Halloween. But I was like, your own severed hand, ma'am.

• 20:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. She's setting the bar too disgusting. I don't know what she's gonna do next year to like, do this again.

• 20:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, anyway, happy Halloween. See you guys next year.

• 20:13Rayna Greenberg?

  We do have more stuff about Amanda and Wes briefly, but we'll just thank our partners.

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• 22:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and we are through Halloween. We're into holiday season. So that is gifting season. And Anthropologie is the holiday destination for must-have gifts, both online and in stores. Anthropologie has the gifts they'll really want to unwrap, gifts that check every box and think outside of it too, and gifts for everyone, even yourself. So I've been in and on Anthropologie's site so much recently. And I mean, I've always loved their clothing, but their home goods and their jewelry is so fantastic. And the price is great. So it always looks like something that you put thought and effort into, and it's creative. And let me tell you about the home stuff. So a candle warmer, they have coffee syrup and coffee mugs. I mean, Ashley's like such a coffee person. And so like, it's like, coffee stuff for her is like a perfect gift. Glassware, they have this like watercolor workbook, which I think is like really fun, just gives somebody an activity to do. And

• 22:54Rayna Greenberg?

  just really liking their jewelry. And if you guys are going to holiday parties in general, there's great stuff that they have that's like sequins. They have this Tilda sequins slip maxi skirt that I love. You can throw it on with a sweater or a tank or body suit. And it's just gonna like dress you perfectly for the holiday season and get gifts that not everybody has that are outside of the box for kids, for your partners, for your parents, whoever you're shopping for. So check it out. There is just so much. You can shop the must-have gifts at Anthropologie. That's anthropologie.com/all-gifts.

• 23:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  The dress I got is Dress the Population. I love that brand, Perla strapless midi dress, if you guys want to check it out. But you can also see when I wear it to the Wags and Walks Gala. I'm like, very excited. It's like strapless. It's got like a deep V kinda, just it's different. Like, I was like, I want something that I just haven't ever seen, you know?

• 23:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, yeah. No, you're gonna look great. I can't wait to see it. Okay, so actually, Kyle, Wes, Amanda from Summer House back in the news outside of Halloween. The cast of season two for In the City has been announced. They have a bunch of new people and it was announced that Amanda would not return. And this sort of set off this chain reaction of the three of them fighting with each other, kind of putting each other on blast in the comments. So Kyle is first to comment on Wes's Instagram. And he basically says something about him being a coke head.

• 24:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Coke heads, yeah. I mean, it's kind of crazy to say that stuff. I'm always surprised when it's giving that moment on Selling Sons of Wouldn't, Chriselle. What'd she say? She called her, called, what's her name? I forget her name.

• 24:27Rayna Greenberg?

  She said crackhead on that one or something.

• 24:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's always surprising when people bring in like crack, coke, alcoholic, you know, they like make those accusations.

• 24:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, you better be damn sure no one's ever seen you use that drug if you're gonna be chucking those accusations at somebody else.

• 24:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. I can call somebody a coke head. I've done coke a couple times. I don't, I'm not a coke head.

• 24:53Rayna Greenberg?

  You're not online trolling people for using it.

• 24:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, Reina, if you called someone a crackhead, and then they were like, yeah, but Reina, you've done crack. And you'd be like, so what? I'm not a crackhead.

• 25:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I wasn't a crackhead, right?

• 25:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've done it twice.

• 25:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Great point. Great point. I don't know. I don't know about Kyle's drug use. But, you know, then people start commenting back and forth. And Wes makes a comment and basically says, I wouldn't call my girl a dumbass bitch in the middle of a fight.

• 25:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I didn't see all this. I didn't see it escalate.

• 25:18Rayna Greenberg?

  So it escalates to that. And then, at the same time, there is a user that leaves a comment, basically just, you know, a thread, a tweet, and says something along the line that like Kyle doesn't like that Amanda isn't on season two of In the City because he can't control her anymore. And Amanda reposts this with a bullseye sign.

• 25:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, oh my God. I'm sorry. But like, people being messy in the comments and in social media is my favorite way to get gossip. It is such a rush. Like, it could be me, but never stop.

• 25:50Rayna Greenberg?

  No. Also, I'm so sorry. I didn't read you the exact coke headline. Okay, he said, you're the coke head that blew up my ex's life and career.

• 25:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Okay, mic drop, I guess.

• 25:59Rayna Greenberg?

  You just don't see people that this messy publicly just, I mean, it couldn't be you, me. Thank God for other people acting like this. They say it all the time. What would entertain me?

• 26:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, speaking of Chriselle, she's been someone that's always done that. And what, last week, talking about the Tom Brady love triangle, the comments, like, I'm not friends with backstabbers. Crazy work to drop these in the comments. But I like it. Yeah, like, those are just a few examples. But I don't know. Sometimes I also feel like it's, we had said this with Alex Cooper and Alex Earl, where like, she didn't need to go on and do this whole dedicated TikTok. Like, she could have just kind of said her piece in a comment. Like, it sometimes is a really, kind of like a flippant, like, don't give a fuck way to get your point across.

• 26:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, I think it's an interesting strategy. You see people, you see the Mormon wives do this a lot. And you see some Summer House people do where they just, they sprinkle a little kerosene on the fire in the off season. And it was interesting, it was interesting because after Kyle posted that on Wes's Instagram and all this transpired, then he posted a black background, white writing Instagram story that basically said like, I don't want to add to the discourse online. I'm gonna be full support of Amanda. It's like, which one is it? You're such a little flip-flopper.

• 27:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, right. A little hypocritical there.

• 27:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I do appreciate it, though. Like, you filmed Summer House like nine weeks in the summer, but like, I do need something in the off season. So I do appreciate you just continuing to stoke this a little bit. And it's not anything horrible that's gonna ruin anybody's life.

• 27:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 27:29Rayna Greenberg?

  In the meantime.

• 27:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. And there was another thing, too. That's just more Ashley's friend tea. But someone, I guess Amanda had posted the dogs.

• 27:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 27:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then someone wrote, please let Kyle keep the pups. The one looks so skinny. And Amanda wrote back, he actually doesn't want them.

• 27:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I'm like, what's going on there? Like, who's to say? But this all happened like the same day. It was just a lot going on.

• 27:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm certainly not a Kyle apologist. And I think we should not forget the way he treated her for many years on television. But I don't know, maybe he's just like, I'm in my DJ era and I can't care for an animal right now. Not like I don't want animals, but like, it's hard, I think.

• 28:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  You should keep them together. I think they're a bonded pair. And you know how I feel. I don't really think you should share custody of your pets with an ex. You can, but I think it's a mess and it ties you to them. And the dogs, they're dogs, they're animals. They would rather be with each other than be split up. And if they have a safe, healthy home, they don't care. Like, that's not how dogs think. Like, if they just go with one parent and they stay together, they're not like, I miss my dad. So who knows what the real story is. But that could just be part of it. But again, who's to say? I don't know.

• 28:43Rayna Greenberg?

  They really unleashed the messiness. And I do think she was waiting for like, the final decision to come through about whether or not she was gonna be on season two of In the City or not. Because like, you have seen her and Wes just go full steam ahead, posting each other, commenting, saying stuff publicly. And it didn't happen until after it was confirmed that neither of them would be on the show this season. And she basically said the online hate was a huge contributor to this and not wanting to really deal with that. And I support that. And I agree. And I think there are some people that should have stepped away from reality TV sooner for their mental health. So I think it's the right decision. And now they're free to fight on the internet, which I love to see.

• 29:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you believe Anthony and Wes are still together?

• 29:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, every day I think about it.

• 29:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Every day. Like, the couple's costume, I feel like my first thought was, I can't believe they're still together. Like, I'm just like, this is still, this, this was real?

• 29:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Every day, I can't believe they're together. And I was like, they'll, they'll ride this out for a couple of months and then let everybody have their I told you so moment. But they are like every wedding, posting together, collaborating post, full steam ahead.

• 29:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Them against the world, truly.

• 29:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know how they're going to make an income. So I mean, they are going to have to try to be influencers.

• 29:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Speaking of another controversial couple, Kristen and Dax are back in the news, Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard. So I just want to say, you know, whenever we talk about them, which by the way, we've defended them before, but we've criticized them and, you know, these clips surface. And I'll see comments that are like, you guys don't know, you don't listen to his podcast, you know, like there's people that have spent so much more time observing him and observing them. And they push back on people who just see clips and make assumptions about their relationship. This couple specifically, so many clips get put out there and I know things can be taken out of context.

• 30:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  So it's not fair to judge someone's relationship based on a clip when there's thousands and thousands of hours of the podcast and them together and whatever it may be. I still feel like I've seen and heard enough in more than just clips to find their relationship unsettling. Like, that's all I'll say. If they're happy, I'm happy for them. But I do just want to say that, like, I just want to acknowledge that sometimes people make assumptions based on these clips. And you never really know the rest of the conversation. But like, I think at the end of the day, I still stand with Cher, who was just like, you see something in him, I don't. And I think that Cher knows them and I stand with Cher. But like, I also want to try to carefully, when it comes to dissecting a clip about a couple.

• 31:08Rayna Greenberg?

  They're an interesting couple to me. I don't know if you know this, you probably know this. They've been married 13 years. They've been together for 20 years. So that on its own, it's just like, it's working for them. So like, who's to judge what works for them, what is good for them? Yes, you see a lot of clips because he's a podcaster. He puts himself out there every single week, like you and I do. You could dissect you with stuff you and I say about our relationships and in clip form, drag us for filth. They are just more so than your average couple. There are things that you're like, what? And I do, when I see people judge them, I'm like, it works for her and she's the only person it has to work for. So who cares? But they say things that are so nuts sometimes. And this, so I have to tell, so Ashley put on our outline for a day.

• 31:49Rayna Greenberg?

  She, she messaged me last night. She's like, I put Kristen and Dax on the outline and this morning I Googled Kristen and Dax, four news stories came up. I was like, I don't even know which one she's talking about.

• 32:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. And it's so funny because I saw a TikTok or a thread or whatever it was, it was like, it's that time of year again, when Adam Brody is fighting for his life, going on this press tour with Kristen Bell. Cause they're talking about their marriages and they're so wildly different. Like they were on Drew Barrymore, like Kristen Bell says something and like Adam Brody's like, well, I don't know. You know, like me and Leighton, like it's just very funny because they couldn't be more different. So basically they are on the Armchair Expert and Adam Brody and Justine Loop are on the show. So they're promoting, Nobody Wants This. And obviously Kristen's there too, with her husband. And she says that Dax will pick out something about a server, for example, like they have beautiful eyes or beautiful eyelashes and compliment them.

• 32:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And essentially kind of flirt with them. And there's a few things that happen before she even says this is that as she's speaking, he like makes this face. Like it looks threatening. It looks like, what are you about to say? He sucks his lips in. People have dissected this too. I make crazy faces too, you know, like whatever. But like, people are like, it was a little unsettling, the way he looked at her as she was about to, yes, go warning, exactly. And then she says, he does this thing where I know he's about to be the best boy. And that made me gag. Like the calling your husband best boy and tantalizing all of that. I was just like, that's not, it's, but you know, that's how I talked to her. That's fine. But anyway, she goes on to say that when he does this, and he essentially flirts with the server, that he's flirting with her because he's making the server feel good.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  That's how I know you're flirting with me a lot. Like if we go to a dinner or something like, there's a couple of things Dax does where he doesn't have to look up and wink at me. But I know that he's just being the best boy. We'll be at dinner and like, he'll say to the waiter or waitress, he'll go, wow, you have incredible eyelashes, gorgeous eyes. Great, great job. And then

• 33:49Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a triggering thing.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  That's flirting with her. But that's flirting with me because, because he just made someone else feel good.

• 33:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the whole room is like, is this what? When do you, what, like literally Adam Brody's face, like it's crazy. And then Dax, his co-host is like, but he's flirting with her. And then they cut to Adam, they cut to Justine, everyone's like, what is happening? And Kristen's like, no, he's flirting with me because he's making someone feel good. And everyone's just like, you're a captive.

• 34:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, this sounded like, when you just hear it and watch the interview, this sounded like a lot of mental gymnastics to justify somebody's behavior. And maybe she misqualified it as flirting, like kindness is attractive. Flirting is a very strange word for it. I think commenting on the, anybody's body, men that comment on women's bodies, I think is bizarre. I was a waitress for a super long time. I never wanted anybody to say anything about my body or the way that I dressed or how I looked. And he says, you know, I'm not commenting on their lips. I'm commenting on their eyes, their eyelashes. I hated it when men talk to me like that. You have beautiful eyes. Why are you talking about my body? I thought it was so uncomfortable. And I understand what she's saying, like kindness to a service worker.

• 35:06Rayna Greenberg?

  It's really nice, but I wouldn't qualify it as flirting. And if it is flirting, I mean, I guess if it works for y'all and you're into some like light cuckolding, good for you guys. It's what keeps it alive for 20 years. It's not for me.

• 35:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I love what you said about being the person on the receiving end. Like, don't make strangers uncomfortable, not just Dax, anybody. Like if a man is at a restaurant with his wife, by the way, and he is flirting with a server to A, just be a creep or B, turn on his wife. I hate that. Complimenting someone is fine, but like you have beautiful eyes, that is flirting territory. His wife's right there. Most women as the server are uncomfortable. So just like, don't do that. I don't like that. To your point, yes, kindness, like, of course, we all get turned on when you tip well, when you treat people well, of course, like we do that. We like when our partner does that. We would never date somebody that treated the server badly.

• 36:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I will say, the way she described it and defended it was weird. And I think that's what people didn't like. But it's not abnormal to be turned on by your partner for flirting with somebody. Like, I feel like I have a little bit different take on this because of what we do for a living. Like, people are in open relationships. People want to go to a bar and meet their partner there and pretend they don't know each other and watch them flirt with a stranger. You know, like people like this. If she would have said, I get turned on when Dax flirts with other people and owned it in that way and used different language. I actually don't think it would have been a problem. I think some people still wouldn't have liked it. People don't understand that type of relationship. Like that, if that's your kink, I'm not shaming it. Like, I think she was trying to get there, but also what if she flirted with somebody?

• 36:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I think that's what people are like, he's allowed to do this and you're probably not. And you have Stockholm syndrome and everything that people say about them. But like, just the fact that if you actually like that your partner flirts with somebody in front of you, that's not abnormal. And that's not something I would shame.

• 36:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I am with you. I think sometimes just the way that they speak, like they're like Elizabeth Holmes, you haven't, you haven't seen the movie yet. I could litigate like the verbiage. I know it's embarrassing for me. You haven't seen it yet. I don't even know like what there is to talk about anymore between us. Um, my favorite tweet about all this is says, can Nathan Fielder do Dax and Kristen next? And it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

• 37:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, he has to move in with them. No, I think this is the couple people would want to see. Like I always say Beyonce and Jay-Z, because I'm like, they're like not real people, like that level of fame and wealth, like I just kind of want to see how they live. Like, I just want to be a fly on the wall. But this is my pick. This would be my pick.

• 37:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I was sitting here like trying to brainstorm, like who else would I want them to do? It is this couple. This is who you see the most. And I think that she just like the semantics of the word she uses. I think both things can turn you on. Your partner being kind to people that other people sometimes aren't kind to, or that have a different station in life than you, or just service workers in general. It's really nice to watch your partner be kind to other people. And it turns a lot of people on to know that other people desire their partner. But to complete the two.

• 38:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. And again, it was her delivery and then the reactions from everyone else in the room. But I feel like I'm reading these comments and there's nobody defending it. And I've read a lot and I'm just like, oh, I, I don't know. Part of me wishes someone would get in there, maybe it should be me, and just be like, hey, some people like when their partner flirts with someone else. But again, not at the expense of making someone in the service industry feel uncomfortable. It gets tricky. You want to go to a bar and your, your husband wants to flirt with somebody and then she thinks she's being flirted with, like he's just doing it to turn his wife. I don't like all of it. I don't love the like collateral damage of couples that get off on this, but it's not weird. People like it.

• 38:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I would have to see it in person. It might be lighter than she's even describing it. A waitress might be like, I like the Dax Shepard and Kristen came in and they were a little silly with me.

• 38:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  The server did a whole TikTok and said they were the nicest people. They remembered her name. You know, it just, again, I wanted to talk about this from the relationship turn on kink of it all, if that's kind of what they're into and the response and just like, I don't know.

• 39:04Rayna Greenberg?

  They're an interesting couple. Well, you know, I've never been married to anybody for 20 years. So who's to say? So I just, I liked that that waitress made that TikTok. I like to know that at least they're not making everybody feel totally uncomfortable. When I was a waitress, if a man that was 25 years older than me was sitting next to his wife, commenting on how I looked, I wouldn't have liked it. It would have made me very uncomfortable. And it did happen to me a lot and I didn't like it.

• 39:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of course. Like, I just don't, I don't need any of it. Like, I don't know. You can comment on my nails, I guess. You know, like anything else feels like it's my body, my face, flirting. Let's just talk about our remaining partners and then we will wrap up with you guys.

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• 42:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And spoilers ahead, Love is Blind came out, the weddings and not weddings happened this season.

• 42:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Last week, our episode did not age well. And it's funny that I had the audacity to say, unless you guys binge it all Wednesday night. Like, obviously, you did. That's what I do. I don't know why I said that. Someone in the comments was like, quoted me. It was like, unless you binge it Wednesday night, that sis, that's what I'm doing right now. I'm like, literally same.

• 43:07Rayna Greenberg?

  In your defense, it went so viral, what happened last week. Some people may have waited a few days to watch it, but it was explosively viral, what happened with Rob and Michaela.

• 43:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, you couldn't miss it. So anyway, going forward, we are gonna be more timely. We've worked something out with Netflix. So we are able to see this, so we can speak about it. But yeah, we spoke about Rob before his implosion. And that was totally insane, what we watched happen last week. So we will talk about the finale. We have watched it and we'll discuss it. But let's just catch up on Rob quickly, because we didn't wanna not address it.

• 43:42Rayna Greenberg?

  So, you know, Rob, the TLDR on Rob is, you know, he came on the show having, I guess, two of his friends had died recently. His dad died recently. He had lost his job. And this is a person who probably should not have been placed on reality television to begin with. Who wouldn't have anger issues, trauma? I mean, you shouldn't be on TV.

• 43:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina, no, they need to not have these men on was after losing a parent. This happened with Shane, remember? Like, you can't have your dad die, or anybody really that close to your immediate family, a parent die and go on a reality show a few months later. It shouldn't be allowed.

• 44:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I think all the time about producers on reality television and what duty of care they have to their contestants. And I feel like it puts women in dangerous situations to cast people that are rightfully traumatized by what they are going through. And, you know, they let Rob leave with Michaela, even though he's having this kind of meltdown at this mixer, and he's yelling at everybody. He's swearing, he's being aggressive with her. And just because you don't watch somebody put their hands on somebody, doesn't mean that they are safe. And I don't know, I don't work in reality television, but I'm curious what you think in terms of like, the duty of care. It's like, allow somebody to walk out the door with somebody that's having a verbal meltdown.

• 44:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. First of all, also, Rob's not just like this because his dad died. I think that much is clear. I think he was probably like this before. He's a belligerent drunk. Those are his longtime friends, which we'll talk about the friends. Like, we can't just say that he went through some trauma in the few months before, and this turned him into this monster, whatever. And I don't know what happened when they walked out. I don't know if they went with her. I don't know, did she say, did they go back to the same place?

• 45:11Rayna Greenberg?

  She said that they went home and that they got into an argument. He packed his things and left, essentially, and left the show.

• 45:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So I don't know, you know, if they cast him and he lost a family member, they're not gonna uncast him if he says he can film. So it's just, there's two things that can be true. You know, I just, I see this correlation between him and Shane, and you're watching somebody who has not processed the trauma. But he was clearly still this person before. And he was like, a belligerent asshole at the bar, at the mixer, like, red flag, like, boy, bye. But the friend scene, to me, was more of the bombshell, and really what people responded to when she meets this guy's friends. And this one friend named Jay was one of the worst people I've ever seen on this show, maybe on TV. And this is like, his inner circle.

• 45:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I am 100% with you, by the way. And those experiences he's had did not make him into somebody who gaslights his partner, humiliates his partner, gets belligerent drunk, and the people that you surround yourself with. And I think the scene with that guy, with the friend Jay, was pretty triggering for all women who have sat there and been sexually harassed by a man. And I mean, he was saying things about her OnlyFans, that they go golfing, they take their cocks out. It was so abhorrent that he sat there and let this happen. And every single man that is like that, there is a direct pipeline to, when you start to defend yourself, you are a bitch, you are uptight, they start to verbally attack you. And you need, hopefully, your partner in the room to stop that. And I am willing to believe that a lot of stuff is cut out of reality TV,

• 46:41Rayna Greenberg?

  but he got 15 shots in at her, and no one seemed to defend this at all. And this poor girl is sitting there trying to like, act like she's cool. I am Michaela, we are all Michaela, we've all sat in those situations and thought, let me placate this person, let me laugh. When I saw that that man had a wedding ring, that human piece of garbage, I couldn't fucking believe somebody married him. I'm like, so mad thinking about it. I gotta calm down. I was horrified by this scene.

• 47:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was a horror movie. And she handled it so well. She's such a queen. And I have been in situations, multiple ones, where I've left. I had a situation happen a couple of years ago, a friend's partner was antagonizing me. I excused myself, went to the bathroom, called an Uber, left. I had another situation years ago, Jenny and Karen and these guy friends, this guy wouldn't leave me alone, he's being so annoying. And I just, I left. But I have not been in a situation where it's your partner's friends. So she rolls up in this, ready to meet these people, she's in love with this man. And he, his best friend starts quite literally sexually harassing you. Not only does Rob not tell him to stop or stick up for you, the friend gets cut off, and Rob freaks out. I was like, what am I actually watching? And then he brings up a fight

• 47:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  that they had to try to turn his friends against her. It got worse and worse and worse and worse. And I don't say, like, I've left these situations to say that I think she should have left. I've never been in that situation. You were sitting there hoping your partner is gonna jump in at any point and defend you and tell this friend to shut the fuck up. Hey, ma'am, just relax. Like, you don't need to get in a fight with your friend either. Hey, man, just like, let's just cool it, you know, maybe, you know, like, no more drinks here. Instead, he was like, keep letting him drink, keep letting him cook. It was so wild to me. And I just, anybody who's in that situation, I just want to empower you to leave. You can politely excuse yourself and you can fucking leave. You don't have to sit there and take it. And what she did, though, was like, she handled it so well. People said she had her crisis PR voice on.

• 48:32Rayna Greenberg?

  She did. I mean, I can't believe what she endured in that conversation to be spoken to like that by this man. Also, she is filming a show, so I don't know if she felt empowered to get up and leave. But yes, she was repeatedly sexually harassed by this person and tried to politely, professionally placate this. And then on top of that, the partner brings up some fight that you guys had and humiliates you. And by the way, she should not be humiliated, but he was trying to humiliate her by forcing her to apologize to him for something they'd already put to bed in front of a group of people she does not know. I mean, I really feel for any woman who has been in this situation. We've all been in these situations. And you are like, paralyzed by like, what do I do to stop this? And if I'm just nice long enough, will they stop?

• 49:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like, we all have a fight, flight, or freeze response. And sometimes I'm like, am I a freezer? Like, am I, like, I will fight, I fought in the past, I have, like, fled. But I'm like, sometimes you are freeze. I think we go back and forth between the three responses in those moments. And, you know, sometimes you just like, beat yourself up later, and you have no reason to ever feel bad when this stuff happens to you. But yeah, it was brutal. And I feel like the producers, like, what do we do here? You know, and a lot of people were like, I'm done watching this show, because like, why let this happen? And why air this? But it was crazy, because it made every other guy look so much better. Like, I was like, is John's okay? John's all right. I'm fine with John. And then at the mixer, Stu and Jax, unbothered king and queen,

• 49:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  they are just sitting there. And Raina, I will say, I don't think they're gonna date. I think they're best friends. Like, remember that guy, Rolex guy, and he had the blonde, and like, they ended up being best friends? Yes. Like, he was the exact same character. Like, we thought he was so cocky, so hateable, his Rolex is this and that, and they became friends. Like, I'm just like, how, we, we like these, everybody looks good in comparison. I think it strengthened all the couples for the night. Like, they're like, we're not as bad as them. Like, I really.

• 50:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, you took the words out of my mouth. When I saw your Instagram story that said, like, not Rob making me think John's not that bad. I was like, oh, my God, hashtag me too. Like, how did I become a John apologist? And okay, the other thing that really shocked me from that, that is not being talked about as much is Erica saying to Michaela, imagine having to restart again. I was like, girl, you met these people three weeks ago. It was, it was a tough watch.

• 50:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I hated that. I hate the sentiment for so many reasons because like your relationship is not working out either. And that's just like not a thing you say to women at any age, like, because it's, it's never too late and you know that. And you, you met these people 10 days ago. I mean, Rob, when Rob yelled that out and he was like, we all met 10 days ago. I was like, he has a point.

• 51:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it's a crazy thing to say to somebody, imagine restarting, imagine spending your life with somebody that talks to you like that. I couldn't do it for one day. I would, I would imagine it. I'm fantasizing about it.

• 51:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  But you're so right, because restarting, I started this 10 days ago. Like she said it as if they'd been together for years. Like, like, like a sunk cost fallacy. Like you've been together for five years, you know, imagine restarting. It's like, I can't imagine it. It was 10 days ago.

• 51:36Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, I mean, like, there's, I've been doing everything in my life longer than this. There's not one thing. I've done juice cleanses longer than this. Restart it. Get out of here.

• 51:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, okay, the finale, I want to say, I think my predictions were spot on. So I'm pretty sure I said that the only couple I thought would get married would be John and Sarah. And I was just hoping it worked out with Rob and Michaela for her sake, because we like her so much. Everyone else, I had been screaming from the mountaintops for Wilson and Will and he to break up and Blake and Erica, and they did, like, right out of the gate. Like, two breakups, back to back, nobody cared. Will and he was like, bye. That was the most I liked her, actually. I felt for her. I really liked her. I feel like we haven't seen much of her personality that much. And like, that breakup with Wilson, I felt like she was such a queen. And I was like, get him out of here.

• 52:21Rayna Greenberg?

  And I think she was like, I don't think you really like me. And I think we've all experienced that feeling of like, I'm fighting for something. You don't even like me, you know? And I know that feeling. And they needed to break up. Erica and Blake, I've never seen a person care less about a breakup than Blake. Blake's just like, yeah, she cried. She always cries. They were like, why do you think she's crying? He's like, I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you.

• 52:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  But they were like, both relieved. You could feel it. I felt the relief through the screen.

• 52:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, Blake was never going to marry anybody. Blake was on this show between seasons for a home. He just needed somewhere to go in the off season.

• 52:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Blake realized last week that he was 37. Like, I love this tweet that was like, a man that just realized he's about to be 40 in three years. Like, did you see his face when she told him? He did not know how old he was. Okay. And, and Nehan Cam, man, I want to tread lightly with her as a woman. She needs to grow up. That was so weird. I don't know why she went on this show. It feels like she was trying to prove something to her parents. Like, I don't know her motive. I, she tried to do this baddie arc. It didn't work. It was very weird. It was a tough watch. He seems like a nice guy. He's not marriage material. Now, he's 28. I think that he'll be great in five to seven years. I think he's a 28 year old. And I just didn't understand what was happening. And I was like, what are

• 53:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  we watching? Like, I think she will reflect and look back. And I think they're both good people. And in their 30s, they will find the right people and they will be good partners. But like, her on this show was a tough one.

• 53:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I, the first thing I wrote in my notes was tough watch. I, she seems very young to me. I still don't really understand the absence of empathy for another person, sympathy. I mean, I wrote some things down. She said, he said, I need some time to process everything. She said, what do you mean, process what? He said, I'm upset. She said, about what? He said, I need some time. She said, but when will you know? I mean, it was very shocking to me, unless that this was highly edited, this conversation. It was like watching two people, very two different experiences. He seemed to want to be like a little pensive about this and take a moment. And she was like, what's the problem? I don't understand. Aren't we still engaged? We'll just live together. It's fine. I mean, she's laughing. I didn't understand it. I'm just, I'm very confused by the reaction. She seems very

• 54:33Rayna Greenberg?

  young to me. I don't understand why she wanted to show at all. She continued to say to him, my parents will not accept me marrying a white person. That's not, that's not going to happen in my life. So I, she's not going to give up her whole family for this guy. The whole thing was just odd.

• 54:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  It felt like she went on the show to get back to her parents. Like a child. Like, it felt like a tantrum. Um, okay, John and Sarah, I love Sarah. I want her to be happy. Want to protect her at all costs. So if she is, then I'm happy for her. That felt the most like a real wedding, families were happy, you know, they love each other. It's just,

• 55:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  it's crazy to be a liberal woman who works in healthcare and marry this guy. And can I just have, I have a thought right now. I had this thought last night about people like John. Okay. He's a Christian, right? So I'm assuming he believes in the Bible and then he questions science. I just have had this thought of people like him. Like, I think our healthcare system is fucked too. We need to be skeptical of all these types of things. But like, I think it's funny to believe in the Bible and question medicine. I think that's an interesting choice of a person.

• 55:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it's a direct pipeline.

• 55:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just had this thought last night.

• 55:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that one equals the other.

• 55:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Anyway, um, I don't know. I'm curious to see what happens. We will get the reunion in advance and we'll talk about the reunion next week. I think they're probably still together. I think they're working this out. You know what I will say? I think she's getting through to him for sure. I think he thinks she is very smart. I think he really sees her for who she is. I like the way he loves her. I think her fear is that the mask will fall and he will stop trying to impress her and he will stop feeling that way about her. But right now, I do think he has her on a pedestal. And that's all I need, because I really think she's wonderful.

• 56:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Can I ask you a question? Is she liberal? Are we sure?

• 56:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, her mom is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She was like, big about like, I want to talk about politics. Like, yeah, yeah. It's pretty openly.

• 56:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I got some tea ahead of time about the reunion. So I think it's going to be really explosive.

• 56:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  That she's not liberal?

• 56:29Rayna Greenberg?

  No. Oh, my God. No, no, no. I don't, I don't know anything about her political beliefs. I just know about their, allegedly about their relationship. So we'll see. Stay tuned next week. We will get the screeners ahead of time.

• 56:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did pretty good on the wedding predictions because, you know, I bomb these sometimes and I'm dead wrong. And I think I did pretty good.

• 56:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm pretty good usually, but I don't think I got these right. I was positive they were going to break up.

• 56:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just saw it. They really love each other, or they, they did. I don't know. We'll see. Okay, you guys, let's go through some headlines. So Rena mentioned the marathon. Of course, she was there on the scene and this was just such a wonderful, beautiful thing. Uh, my favorite thing I saw for the New York City Marathon was Mayor Mamdani dressed in disguise as like a volunteer handing out waters. Can you even fucking imagine?

• 57:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I was there. It was the most beautiful day. It was the most positivity. It just was the highest vibes. You know, they stagger the race. There's 60,000 people that run this. It's the biggest marathon in the world, I think. They stagger the runners. So you can always get right up to the barricades and cheer people on. And everybody is there with like signs, passing out waters to everybody. And people wear their names really big. And so everybody's just screaming names. Like, yeah, let's go. People are dancing. They're picking up babies. And like, I saw this video, people picking up their children at the finish line and running to the finish line with their child. I was guttural sobbing, Ashley.

• 57:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  These videos, this video that this man like fell, two men carried him over the finish line. I can't stop. And then the people that like, stay till the end and cheer on the final finish. Like, these people are finishing at night. Wow, I'm not okay. It's an emotional day. They're finishing, running at night and people stay. Like, people stay till the end because everyone should get that experience. I like, can't handle it.

• 58:06Rayna Greenberg?

  There's wheelchairs. There's people carrying each other. I mean, it was so beautiful. I cried like five times. Emily and I got, went into Central Park on 79th Street, exited at the bottom of the park on 59th. And the, the boom of cheering could be heard. We walked the whole, like 20 blocks and cheered for people. And it's just, it's so nice to see so much positivity and support. One of my best friends, Jeremy, ran the race. He got sick. He was like violently throwing up. He found a way to like get back in the race, finish it. I just was like so proud of him. And, um, it just was a really beautiful, wonderful day. And I'm excited to go again next year.

• 58:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 58:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Not run it. I would never.

• 58:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, another quick sports athletic headline is the Brewers won the World Series, first time ever. So we just wanted to acknowledge that. You know, we, we love, we performed in Milwaukee. We love our listeners there. And so that was the first time they've ever been in the World Series and they swept the Dodgers in the playoffs and they won. So, you know, congrats to them.

• 59:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, I thought your sports update was going to be Bill Belichick and Jordana.

• 59:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. No, I want to spend a little more time on that. You guys, Bill and Jordana broke up. And Rena, you know, I want to say, who could have seen this coming, but like legitimately, I thought they were end game. I did not think they were going to break up.

• 59:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I just thought like, if the two of you are going to tolerate this, what would end it?

• 59:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, this wasn't on my radar. I'm shocked. I thought they were going to be together till the end. But apparently she's still his manager, right? She's still taking his money.

• 59:31Rayna Greenberg?

  They have been seen at events. Yes. But yes, they allegedly broke up like a year ago.

• 59:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God. This is devastating. And I can't believe we didn't know. I feel like who reports on them as much as we do?

• 59:44Rayna Greenberg?

  So literally. I mean, I think if she was willing to tolerate dating somebody that age and he was willing to tolerate somebody, well, every man that age wants to tolerate dating somebody that age. I was just like, what in the world could be the end of this? Nothing.

• 59:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly. So, you know, hate to see it.

• 1:00:00Rayna Greenberg?

  RIP.

• 1:00:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  On the other side of the coin, Andrew Shu and Mary Lee Phibig, who we talked about last week, getting engaged. These are TJ Holmes, Amy Robach's exes. We've told you guys the whole lore. They got married? They just, they eloped?

• 1:00:14Rayna Greenberg?

  They were just like, fuck it. Send it. TJ and Amy are married. It's not enough. It's not enough that we got engaged. We need to get married.

• 1:00:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're really in the revenge for the long game. No, we're, good for them.

• 1:00:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. And that's it. That's your sports report.

• 1:00:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Breakup, marriage report.

• 1:00:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Marriage report. Uh, I loved this snack. I hope you guys, you know, had fun.

• 1:00:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Me too. This was really fun.

• 1:00:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So as this comes out, we hope we have seen what we wanted to see in the midterm elections and things are feeling good. So I hope you guys all voted and exercised your right to vote and all of that. And I hope you enjoyed the snack, of course. And we will see you in Michigan and Vegas for the last two stops of Rena's tour. RenaGreenberg.com to get those tickets. girlsgottaeat.com. Our show is sold out for the New York Comedy Fest, but we will see you guys in New York this Sunday. We can't wait to see you there. And Girls Got To Eat podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hesse on Instagram and TikTok. You can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube and we will see you Monday. Have a good week, guys.

• 1:01:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.