Part Three: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

Robert is joined again by Wil Anspach to conclude our 3 part series on Diddy. Sean 'Diddy' Combs: What's a 'freak off', and what are the charges against him? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c869qd5j09xo The ‘Freak-Offs’ at the Core of Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’s Troubles: Drugs, Sex, Baby Oil - The New York Times https://archive.is/TPMyh#selection-1213.0-1229.261 https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article295553889.html#storylink=cpy Diddy's White Parties Were Wild — Check out the Photos https://www.distractify.com/p/sean-diddy-combs-white-party-photos 'I believe I was sexually assaulted at P. Diddy's party after winning tickets on a radio show' https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/i-believe-i-was-sexually-assaulted-at-p-diddys-party-after-winning-tickets-on-a-radio-show/ar-AA1uJE3G?ocid=BingNewsSerp We should've known about Diddy: A history of violence | Salon.com https://www.salon.com/2023/11/20/we-shouldve-known-about-diddy-a-history-of-violence/ Before he was Diddy: Covering Sean Combs’s first scandal - Columbia Journalism Review https://www.cjr.org/first_person/before-diddy-sean-combs-first-scandal-stampede-ccny-city-college-deaths.php THE CRUSH AT CITY COLLEGE; AN INQUIRY SPREADS BLAME FOR DEATHS AT A NEW YORK GYM - The New York Times https://archive.is/wvTU4#selection-7261.110-7269.431 Music Executive Recounts Day of Altercation With Rapper Combs - Los Angeles Times https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-may-21-fi-39384-story.html The epic rise and fall of Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/p-diddy-accusations-lawsuit-love-sean-combs-b2547969.html Diddy Accused Of Paying $1M For Tupac's Murder, New Court Documents Reveal https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/diddy-accused-of-paying-1m-for-tupacs-murder-new-court-documents-reveal/ar-BB1qyFEX Diddy Reflects on the Childhood Memories That Drove His Success https://americansongwriter.com/diddy-reflects-on-the-childhood-memories-that-drove-his-success/ Sean "P. Diddy" Combs Bio: Everything You Need to Know About the Entertainment Mogul - The Hip Hop Insider https://thehiphopinsider.com/bios/sean-p-diddy-combs-bio/ Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs: The ups and downs of a ‘bad boy’ turned businessman | CNN https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/entertainment/sean-diddy-combs-career/index.html Sean 'Diddy' Combs on growing up: "I wanted to... shake up the world" https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/02/media/diddy-sean-combs-ciroc-networth/ Diddy lived with the Amish and milked cows as a child https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-45082044 Everyone publicly involved in the Sean 'Diddy' Combs allegations : NPR https://www.npr.org/2024/10/10/g-s1-26981/diddy-sean-combs-cassie-kid-cudi-jodeci Diddy and Aubrey O’day’s Feud and Allegations Explained https://www.distractify.com/p/diddy-aubrey-oday-feud-explained Danity Kane’s Aubrey O’Day Says Diddy Tried to Buy Her Silence | Us Weekly https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/danity-kanes-aubrey-oday-says-diddy-tried-to-buy-her-silence/ Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’s White Parties Were Edgy, A-List Affairs. Were They More? - The New York Times https://archive.ph/20241008013107/https:/www.nytimes.com/2024/09/29/arts/music/sean-combs-diddy-white-parties.html#selection-5453.0-5473.267 The Hamptons’ “Modern-Day Gatsby”: Diddy’s White Party Turns 20 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hamptons-modern-day-gatsby-diddys-white-party-turns-20-1100974/ A NIGHT OUT WITH: Puffy; Gettin' Jiggy Wit The Jet Set - The New York Times https://archive.ph/20241003032937/https:/www.nytimes.com/1998/08/23/style/a-night-out-with-puffy-gettin-jiggy-wit-the-jet-set.html#selection-773.0-773.577 Politics and Partying Meet in the Hamptons - The New York Times https://archive.is/RouYo#selection-3279.0-3279.237 Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ lavish White Parties marked the peak of his cultural influence | CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/24/entertainment/sean-diddy-combs-white-parties/index.html Diddy’s American Dream had a dark side: Years of lawsuits, controversy - The Washington Post https://archive.ph/20241018173311/https:/www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/2024/05/03/diddy-lawsuits-allegations-sean-combs/#selection-2025.0-2117.2 https://www.irishstar.com/culture/entertainment/p-diddy-white-parties-models-34050967 https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/p-diddy-precious-muir-playboy-790850 https://nypost.com/2024/09/19/us-news/sean-diddy-combs-hamptons-sex-parties-with-gay-rappers/ https://www.distractify.com/p/sean-diddy-combs-white-party-photos https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/diddy-accused-of-paying-1m-for-tupacs-murder-new-court-documents-reveal/ar-BB1qyFEX https://www.bet.com/article/f51sy2/diddy-closes-justin-s-restaurant-in-atlanta https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/p-diddy-accusations-lawsuit-love-sean-combs-b2547969.html https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/diddy-made-money-off-student-protests-college.html/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/diddy-friends-bad-boy-artists-abuse-violence-1235028178/ https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-sean-p-diddy-combs-bad-boy-entertainment-retrospective-20151005-story.html See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:04Robert Evans?

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• 0:18Speaker 01

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• 0:22Robert Evans?

  Oh, really? Did that happen?

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Every time you said "Colms" with an "L", I took a sip over the last two episodes.

• 0:30Robert Evans?

  Sorry.

• 0:30Speaker 01

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• 0:38Robert Evans?

  Go back in time and just have like about 14 shots.

• 0:45Robert Evans?

  So, the late 1990s is an era in which Bad Boy Records is growing by leaps and bounds, and Diddy is getting rich as fuck. We are talking the insane pile. The cash pile so large that your only option is to either get really into cocaine or start a series of ill-conceived small businesses.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:06Robert Evans?

  Diddy, I'm sure, does both, actually.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  So I had two choices.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  I was gonna sit in that failure. Or I was gonna make a decision to step out of the darkness.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  More like into the darkness, buddy.

• 1:24Robert Evans?

  He steps out of the darkness to launch a restaurant called Justin. This is named after his oldest son. He starts the first Justin in New York City in 1997, and he franchises it out to Atlanta the following year. The New York location shuts down after about a decade. Sean claims because he wanted to find a larger location, but he just never opens a new one. I think it just failed.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  This is the story of my mom when she said she was gonna build the house on top of the basement that we lived in. And then we just lived in a basement for like eight years.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Good times, mom. Thanks.

• 1:58Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Yeah, this is Diddy's version of that. Now, the Atlanta location hangs on a little while longer. It eventually shuts down in 2012. Why? Here's a summary from an article in BET. "In July 2011, Diddy was sued after music executive Tony Austin, a patron of the Atlanta eatery, was shot in the parking lot. Austin, former A&R for Def Jam and the president of Russell Simmons Music Group, says he was in his car listening to music with another man when someone opened fire on the vehicle. Austin alleged that the proprietors of Justin's were aware of dangerous and hazardous conditions at the establishment, but failed to provide warning or security." Now-

• 2:35Speaker 01

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• 2:36Robert Evans?

  Isn't that something? Shocking, shocking.

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• 4:55Robert Evans?

  Now, by the time Justin's opened, Sean had split from Justin's mother to date a model named Kim Porter, who gave him his second son. In 1998, he launched a fashion label, Sean John.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Sean John.

• 5:07Robert Evans?

  Sean John.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Oh, man. And it was the it brand, you know? That was the shit. It was Boss and Sean John and FUBU, man.

• 5:15Robert Evans?

  We can say markedly more successful than his restaurant.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 5:19Speaker 06

  Also, I need to fact check you on the oldest son thing. He has an adopted son who is older named Quincy.

• 5:23Robert Evans?

  Oh, OK. And his adopted son, who is older, named Quincy. Sure. Interesting, fascinating name. Now, that year, the year that he starts Sean John, he is nominated for five Grammys. If you want to know what a Grammy looks like, just look behind Will and Tua's right on camera.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  The light actually went off, I guess, but, you know, I wasn't in the mood to turn it back on. I noticed it in an episode and a half ago.

• 5:44Robert Evans?

  You got it fucking backlit. Was the first thing you did with that, take a shot out of it?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. In fact, I think, you know what? To be fair, this is behind the bastards. We should do this on air because, like, you know, it's like, how often?

• 5:57Robert Evans?

  What else do you do when you get a Grammy? Yeah.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  So also, Drew, I need you to understand that when I got this Grammy, I was about to have a kid at the time. I had a bad month where my car, the transmission died. It's just, but basically, my point is, I had like, maybe like $500 in my account. I still spent $200 on a bottle of Don Julio.

• 6:17Robert Evans?

  Priorities are important in life.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  So that I could take a shot out of my Grammy.

• 6:21Robert Evans?

  That's right, folks.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  That's the only reason to get one of these things.

• 6:26Speaker 06

  You did it.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  What kind of like, what kind of person gets this to brag to their friends? No, like this is to take shots at it because it's funny.

• 6:35Robert Evans?

  And you're not gonna get content like this from the Pod Save America guys. You're not getting it from the bulwark. You're not getting it from last podcast on the left, only behind the bastards.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  This is basically when Elon smoked a blow.

• 6:46Robert Evans?

  Honestly, maybe Joe Rogan.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  On Joe Rogan.

• 6:48Robert Evans?

  You might get this on Joe Rogan.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  You would get this on Joe Rogan.

• 6:51Robert Evans?

  I'm not gonna lie.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Although we would both be racist and one of us have some sex pest crimes behind us.

• 6:56Robert Evans?

  You would be trying to convince my listeners to, I don't know, inject bleach into their assholes in order to build muscle mass. Yeah.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Eating like 600 like, like worms or, or what is it? Silkworms, specifically silkworms. Yeah, you have to eat silkworms for your colon health, you know? It's like everybody knows that.

• 7:14Robert Evans?

  Well, I do actually think you should eat more elk. It's delicious.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, elk is delicious.

• 7:18Robert Evans?

  It's very tasty. Now, so that year, the same year he opened Sean John, he gets nominated for five Grammys. Bad Boy pulls in $130 million in revenue.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  What year is that?

• 7:29Robert Evans?

  That is 98, 98.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Oh, 98, 98. Okay, so do you know what Grammys those were that he won?

• 7:35Robert Evans?

  That I don't know. I could have looked that up, but I'm a hack and a fraud. Now, from this point forward in the story, Sean has infinite money, right? Which he still does, basically.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  So much money.

• 7:45Robert Evans?

  Now, as I noted last episode, he'd always had a knack for throwing huge media-driven parties, and now that he was actually a major celebrity himself, he kicked things up several notches. 1998 is also the year of his first white party. These were the events where he'd invite piles of celebrities to his mansion in the Hamptons for what inevitably became the big event of the summer. And part of it is, he becomes like the first black guy to move into this very rich white neighborhood. The white parties are in part how he kind of makes his neighbors cool with him is like, hey, you're some like lame bank CEO, you can be at this party with these cool people.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. This is starting to happen in the era of the internet, right? It's like this is 98. This is like the beginning of the internet where like being seen with all these different like cool hip people that are like big. Cause the white parties, you see the pictures of them. It's the everybody's of all of entertainment.

• 8:39Robert Evans?

  Yeah, and everyone wears white because Diddy thought he looked good in white. And to be honest, like, I don't want to be complimenting the man, but he doesn't look bad. That's not a bad look for him. That's not a bad look for him.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  The white parties, like legit, it's like a pair of Air Ones, dude. They look good the first time you wear them. And that is white, dude. White is, the first time you wear it, it is the most beautiful, pristine, amazing looking thing. Now, I would say what, like 9:30, 10:00 PM, that white starts getting kinda grody, you know?

• 9:10Robert Evans?

  Well, part of what I love is you can really see the whole, like, he is, you know, part of the point of these parties is for like people who are rich but not very cool to get to feel cool. Look at some of the people below him, like that guy in the front, like they're just wearing white t-shirts. You don't look like a rap star. Like, you get this wild mix of like beautiful people and also sometimes beautiful people looking just like normal weirdos at a party. But which I always think is really interesting. You've got like, but part of it is because these first white parties are from the era before, like there's no social media. So there's no social media filters. Photoshop tools aren't as easy to use. So you get a lot of shots of famous people actually looking like normal people at a party.

• 9:49Robert Evans?

  Like here's Leo DiCaprio and some other dudes drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes and like not particularly looking like they're crazy, rich and famous. Like Leo looks like a pretty normal fucking dude there. Yeah, yeah. And then Sophie's gonna show you next. Regis Philbin. Yeah, there's a photo of Regis Philbin and I can only describe the look on his face. He looks like he is smiling like the devil, like he, like, like you would cast him in needful things. He is selling you a cursed Victrola. That's how Regis looks in this photo. And there's a couple other middle-aged white dudes in there, one of whom is grabbing a young woman's arm in a way that I would say looks kind of off-putting to me, but I- I don't know what was going on.

• 10:33Speaker 06

  Is that Vera Wang?

• 10:34Robert Evans?

  Is that Vera Wang?

• 10:35Speaker 06

  The wedding dress designer? I can't, I don't, I can't tell.

• 10:39Robert Evans?

  I don't know.

• 10:39Speaker 06

  It's kind of grainy.

• 10:40Robert Evans?

  All of these people are rich. Some of them are famous. I don't think that bald guy got famous for being a hip hop star.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  The only poor people at these parties were the people catering it and, you know.

• 10:50Robert Evans?

  And the people being sex trafficked.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  And sex trafficking.

• 10:52Speaker 06

  God, look at Regis. Regis is like, I'm not touching anybody.

• 10:56Robert Evans?

  He's smiling like the devil. Yeah.

• 10:58Speaker 06

  My hands are to myself.

• 11:00Robert Evans?

  You can see both of my hands. I ain't fucking up this, uh, what was it? Was it, he wants to be a millionaire at this point?

• 11:05Speaker 01

  I wish that we could just really see.

• 11:08Speaker 06

  God, Reg.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Like if there was like guilt aura around every person that existed in this picture, like, like green to red. And in a scale of colors and the redder you are, the guiltier you are as a human being.

• 11:23Robert Evans?

  Ooh, yeah, that's gonna be a fascinating shade above that crowd there. Everyone's gonna have an aura that looks like the drink of the guy on the left, which is red.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  You are just as likely to be completely innocent in one of those pictures.

• 11:35Robert Evans?

  Well, and here's the thing.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  As you are to be complicit in all the bullshit he did.

• 11:38Robert Evans?

  There are definitely, especially at the end, at the after parties, the night parts, which not everyone stays for. There are definitely some sex crimes here. These are not the Diddy parties where most of the sex trafficking and crimes are happening.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Definitely should be mentioned, but these are two different events.

• 11:52Robert Evans?

  Like, there's a reason for it. The white parties are his PR. This is where he goes to.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Their legitimacy into the rich white community, uh, like the Hamptons and all that bullshit. But also, you know, like their legitimacy into the black community as well.

• 12:07Robert Evans?

  Right, right. And that is the point of these. And so these are largely less sketchy events for that reason. And it is his, uh, he has another kind of party with another name that we'll be talking about. That is where most of it, I'm not saying like there's no sex crimes happening here. There's definitely drugs. But the fact that someone was at a white party doesn't mean that they committed sex crimes. So I'm not saying Regis Philbin is a sex pest. I don't know Regis. Maybe there have been allegations against him. If so, then I guess I am, but I don't know that. These are his show parties and he's a lot more careful about what happens here. The other parties, the parties you have heard stories about with the baby oil and the sex crimes are what he called his freak off parties. Like a dance off, but you know, with your freak.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Get your freak on.

• 12:52Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  I shouldn't laugh. They're dark.

• 12:54Robert Evans?

  They're dark. These are the sex crime parties. If someone went to a freak off, you should assume they did some bad stuff.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Yes. In almost every single one of these stories, there is a victim. There is very little willing participants of these things. Like even the people who are willing participants might be coerced willing participants.

• 13:12Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  It's very murky with a lot of the stuff that goes on. The lot of power.

• 13:17Robert Evans?

  Blurred lines, you could say. Yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. And again, this is definitely the place where we start talking about where blurred lines.

• 13:24Robert Evans?

  The I did it and people are also just doing lines. Yeah.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, definitely. He wasn't explicitly making me do this, but I knew that I could not say no type shit. And that is very, very strong in the Diddy story for sure.

• 13:37Robert Evans?

  And another big part of it is because there's different gradients of cases. A lot of these people are like, well, yeah, I said yes, and I agreed and nobody threatened me, but also I was there because I had just gotten started in this industry and I'm in front of the guy who could make my career. And like, I didn't think I had any other op. Like, these are also some of the things that are happening.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  I mean, we're into now the beginning of the, the Justin Bieber territory, which is like very much the usher situation between Puffy and Usher and then Usher and Justin Bieber and Justin Bieber. And there is a lot of like questionable interactions, like Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at like, what, like 12 years old or something like that? There's like some weird activity that happened that at the time we saw it happen and we were like,

• 14:22Robert Evans?

  Huh.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, you know, like, but like, everybody now is definitely able to look at those situations and be like, that's actually, yeah, no, that's weird, you know, but the 90s, hey, let's be fair.

• 14:33Robert Evans?

  It was the 90s, or early 2000s, you know, when we're talking about Bieber. Probably fine for 12-year-old Justin Bieber to be at Diddy's house.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Who am I to judge?

• 14:43Robert Evans?

  Who are we to judge? We should have judged.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, we should have judged. We should have been judging.

• 14:47Robert Evans?

  Now, at the white party is like, the most intense photo I've seen is Sean pouring champagne for what the New York Post describes as "two unidentified near-naked women." It doesn't look nearly as sketchy as they describe it. "The Post and a lot of other tabloid coverage of these events does tend towards sensationalism about the wrong things." For example, this piece from September. "Insider Sean 'Diddy' Combs's Hampton Sex Parties Featuring Gay Rappers Who Were 'High On Ketamine.'" And like, "You and I have both been to parties with gay rappers high on ketamine. That's not the problem."

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, not at all.

• 15:22Robert Evans?

  That some gay rappers are doing ketamine, that's not what's the issue here.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  In fact, someone would say that was the best part of the party.

• 15:27Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah, those gay rappers, probably not committing sex crimes.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 15:33Robert Evans?

  Although maybe.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Sometimes, you know, but the point is, here's the thing, is like, those, those white parties, those were, those were press events.

• 15:41Robert Evans?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  You don't have press at sex crime parties. You don't have press at the events where you're gonna be-

• 15:47Robert Evans?

  Unless they're committing sex crimes.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, unless, unless, you know, that's part of the blackmail, you know?

• 15:52Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  But like, not that the two Venn diagram circles didn't interconnect, but without, you know, it's like, you don't invite the press to the parties where you're gonna do the bad shit, you know?

• 16:05Robert Evans?

  No, no, cuz he's not, again, he's not stupid, that's why he got away with this for so long. "Now, I'm not sure how seriously to take this Post article, which has its source as just one anonymous coke dealer, which again, not necessarily the most credible people on the planet, but here's a quote. 'The dealer said Diddy opened the door to his former Hampton's mansion while wearing nothing but a robe and brought him to a back bedroom to make a cocaine deal. Weird shit was starting to happen. Celebrity guys fucking each other. There were- Back bedrooms and it was like the inner sanctum. And this dealer talks about it like I lost a lot of respect for those guys. He is not talking about the sex. He's talking about like just the people having gay sex.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Gay sex, yeah.

• 16:42Robert Evans?

  Famous people fucking each other in a gay way, which is like, fine.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  I know, we're not like the representatives to be talking about any of this stuff, but like, yeah, as far as I have ever experienced inside of like the

• 16:53Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  hip hop culture of America, it has only recently become taboo to say the F slur. It's not like that was an insult for most of the 2000s.

• 17:03Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  You know, it's like it did not until like 2015 feel like it fell off the radar for that to be part of like your insult to another person is that they have gay sex with a person. So it's like, I certainly there is a vested interest in not publicizing this and people not knowing that it exists.

• 17:23Robert Evans?

  Very dangerous.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  This being a secret of your, because you would be looked at differently, especially at this time, but even now you would be looked at differently for these types of actions.

• 17:34Robert Evans?

  And there's, you know, the dealer claims he also saw a mix of female rappers and prostitutes having sex there. And that's kind of where we do get into, because again, some of, there's probably some trafficking at the white parties. And it's unclear to me, is he talking about a white party or a freak off? It's at the Hamptons, a little bit unclear, but we'll get to that later.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Real quick on that same point, I just want to say at any event, right? Whether you are in fact a prostitute or not, like there is a certain amount of hiring of females to be at a party to be overly friendly to the people at the party, right?

• 18:07Robert Evans?

  Yes.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  It's one, it's very good to look like there's a lot of beautiful women here.

• 18:13Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  For sure. But also for the people that come to these things, they want to feel like there's girls that are there that are interested. And this happens all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event all the way up to these parties. So it's not like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of all of these things, like it may be somewhat innocent, but there's always an element of like hiring women to be morally available in ways at parties.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  You know?

• 18:42Robert Evans?

  Yeah, absolutely. Now, in 1999, Diddy was arrested on felony charges of assault and criminal mischief. The chain of events began when Diddy was featured in the music video Hate Me Now with Nas. Both Diddy and Nas were crucified on a cross, which Diddy later decided was sacrilegious.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:01Robert Evans?

  And asked to have cut. That's his line. That's his line.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Crazy. That's where he calls it, "Hey, man, do not portray me as Jesus being crucified on a cross." Although, I'm not gonna lie, 12-year-old me, or whatever it was, I thought that was the banginest video I ever seen in my life. Like, I remember that coming out, and I remember seeing it. It was on TRL, and I remember my mind being blown. Just like, "Oh, my God, they crucified them? That's so sacrilegious." So, to be fair, as a Roman Catholic kid growing up in Pennsylvania in the 90s, I did kinda think, yeah, that, holy shit, that was sacrilegious. Like, perspective is a very important piece of this whole thing, and in the 90s, that was sacrilegious as hell. You know, like, that was some, like, Marilyn Manson level of sacrilege going on inside of the community.

• 19:50Robert Evans?

  Oh, man. So, that's what flips him out, and when he decides, like, "Hey, cut this out," and then they air the unedited version anyway. And when the version with him being crucified airs, he blames the president of Interscope Records, Steve Stout. And he bursts into Stout's office with some goons and assaults him with, quote, "A chair, a telephone, and a champagne bottle." Stout said of the beating, "One minute I'm in the middle of a meeting, and the next minute I'm down on the floor and Puffy and his guys are kicking and pounding me. One of them picks up a chair and throws it at me. Then Puffy throws my desk over, and they just walk out like nothing happened." And his stance is, "I think they were trying to kill me, and I just, you know, happened to not die. I don't know, I wasn't there." He seems to say it was very serious. Combs turned himself in a few days later and was charged with felony assault.

• 20:35Robert Evans?

  He was freed on $15,000 bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor. His sentence was one day of court-ordered anger management. Oh, Jesus. That's what hundreds of millions of dollars gets you in lawyers.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, man. That's the thing. It's like money is the savior of all problems.

• 20:54Robert Evans?

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• 22:37Robert Evans?

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• 23:15Robert Evans?

  And we're back. So, three months after he assaults this record executive, Combs goes out to a Manhattan nightclub with Jennifer Lopez, who he was dating at the time. The couple were partying when someone else at the club insulted Diddy and threatened his protege, a rapper named Shine. A write-up in The Independent summarizes what happens next in the kind of voice that you usually use for like the Israeli military or cops. A dispute ensued, shots were fired, and three bystanders were injured, including a woman who was shot in the face. Combs fled in a Lincoln Navigator with J-Lo, his bodyguard, and his driver, along with

• 23:56Robert Evans?

  a stolen gun none of them had a license for, as cops found out when they stopped the car. Combs was found not guilty in March 2001 of four counts of illegal possession of a gun and one count of bribery after a trial that doubled as a media spectacle. Proving what a force the rapper had become, fans turned up at the courthouse for seven weeks, and workers at the building, upon his acquittal, threw open the windows to chant his name and leave him alone. Must be nice.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship culture in our country. It's just inevitable all the time, right? It's like they, we will, no matter who, find some sort of martyr or savior or just God in whatever exists inside celebrity. They, we're happy to have that. We're happy to have somebody that we can go to a courthouse on our day off of work.

• 24:43Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And cheer when they get off after probably shooting a woman in the face.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  After probably shooting somebody.

• 24:50Robert Evans?

  It's one of those, one of the things that's amazing is that like, if you read that, like, "A dispute ensued, shots were fired." But Diddy is so rich at this point that he has become included by journalists in the special exonerative grammatical case that only get, normally it's like for cops, right? Shots were fired, someone was hit.

• 25:10Robert Evans?

  There was a gun, a non-registered illegal gun in his possession. Okay.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  It's just so funny, man.

• 25:17Robert Evans?

  Amazing. Yeah.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  The whole situation, there's, there's still a lot of like-

• 25:21Robert Evans?

  What happened, exactly, yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The story gets really convoluted. There's stuff coming out right now about it, you know, that it's been 20 years and we're still just now getting like the pieces that come out about stuff about like, oh, this actually happened, or this person was involved. So it's definitely a bit of like, you know, lost a time. And the whole concept of how unreliable human beings are at like recounting things that have happened to them, even completely sober with no issues, not at a club at 2 o'clock in the morning in New York, you know?

• 25:54Robert Evans?

  I have clear procedural memories of about 30% of our friendship, Will.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  It's all flashes.

• 26:03Robert Evans?

  It's all flashes. It's moments.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  It's a Polaroid picture in my head where I'm like-

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Turns out.

• 26:12Robert Evans?

  So, Combs thanked God after the verdict and made a big show of going to church after. To further separate himself from the event, he changed his name officially to P. Diddy, telling Vanity Fair, "When I changed names, I put periods on those eras." And the P. Diddy era- I love that. Got off from a fucking club shooting. Time to become P. Diddy. The P. Diddy era was lucrative indeed. He released more albums, he acted in several movies, and he started producing reality television. He, you know, gets that Ciroc vodka deal.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, this is the Dandy Kane era, right?

• 26:48Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah, yep.

• 26:49Speaker 06

  Making the band.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Yep, making the band.

• 26:52Robert Evans?

  Uh, in 2002, he won awards for his menswear fashion line. Sean John did cause a minor scandal for him when it was found that the clothing he sold was made in Honduran sweatshops with a terrible record for workers' rights.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  It happens, doesn't it?

• 27:07Robert Evans?

  It happens.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, you're gonna, you're gonna try and get that, that cost of production down.

• 27:11Robert Evans?

  Gotta be some sweatshops, yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, gonna have to sweatshop.

• 27:14Robert Evans?

  Mm-hmm. None of that kept him down for long. In 2004, he performed at the Super Bowl. He started his famous voter die campaign that election season.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Oh, man, that was huge. If you were a teenager in the 90s, you definitely saw the-

• 27:26Robert Evans?

  P. Diddy was telling you to vote.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Yep, P. Diddy was recommending people to you.

• 27:30Robert Evans?

  Yeah, money continued to flow by the hundreds of millions. As the Bush years came to an end, P. Diddy changed his name yet again. This time dropping the P. and becoming just Diddy.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Diddy.

• 27:41Robert Evans?

  His white parties remained infamous social events, but he also held increasing numbers of freak-offs. These were not for public consumption and acted as an opportunity for him to provide himself and his celebrity friends with endless young women, drugs, and young women on drugs.

• 27:57Speaker 06

  Ew.

• 27:58Robert Evans?

  This brings me to the story of Latroya Grayson, who at age 23 won tickets via a radio show to attend a Diddy party. Her only recollections of the event were meeting Mary J. Blige, having a drink, and then blacking out because, again, she was drugged. She has hazy memories of three or four guys she didn't know taking her out of the room. She woke up in the hospital very ill and vomiting until she was released several hours later. Quote, "I left with no shoes on. My shirt was kind of ripped. I noticed all my money was taken out of my purse except for like $20. I got robbed for my money. I had just enough to get back to a motel in a cab."

• 28:34Speaker 01

  That's so fucked up. Like, these people are also not wealthy people. They're doing this because they don't have money in the first place.

• 28:40Robert Evans?

  She won a contest on the radio.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  And then you get robbed anyway?

• 28:45Robert Evans?

  At Diddy's party. Now, she also says she realized afterwards that her vagina was sore. She's not certain what happened because, again, she was drugged.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Drugged, yeah.

• 28:55Robert Evans?

  Almost certainly not a good story, yeah.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  I don't remember half the things that happened to me yesterday. Half silver, you know, like, literally, they found baby oil with GHB in it. They were fucking around up in that place.

• 29:08Speaker 06

  Horrible.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  In the wake of all of this, I've read a ton of stories of people that have recounted like their, their Diddy situation and so many of them, like...

• 29:22Speaker 01

  induced with drugs in the most despicable ways, the unexpected ways, the not even drinking ways, like the I had a soda ways, you know, like not crossing even a boundary of alcohol, you know, and it's so it's like to see this shit happen to people, it's, it's like, it's, it's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like, it's, it's this like, yes, it's evil. It is evil. I'm not a god person, but it's evil. It's like going after people that, that are just living normal lives and trying to survive.

• 29:55Speaker 06

  This person won a contest.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Won a contest to hang, exactly.

• 30:01Speaker 06

  And this is what, and this is how, and this is how it ended. Like, that's disgusting, vile evil.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Yes, it's, it's horrible. It's like the type of shit that you're like, what the fuck?

• 30:11Robert Evans?

  And I'm not done with the story, unfortunately. I'm gonna read next from an article on MSN. After the incident, Grayson flew back to her home state, Oklahoma, and he claims to have received an unsettling phone call the next day in which a female allegedly attempted to dissuade Grayson from speaking up regarding the ordeal. She recounted the anonymous woman's warning. She had all my information and was basically telling me that I couldn't do anything about it, that Puff Daddy was a famous person and I wouldn't get anywhere with the issue if I tried to do anything. Puzzled, Grayson queried, so I'm like, well, how did you even get my phone number? Do you know anything about my money being missing? She's like, no, I don't know nothing about that. I'm like, well, I mean, how did you even get my phone number?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Brutal, man. It, it's just so dark, dude. This type of manipulation, the power dynamic. As someone who has been in the industry, right? It's like, even people that...

• 31:04Robert Evans?

  You're like a teenager, 20-year-old girl, whatever, from fucking Oklahoma with no money, and he is goddamn P-diddy.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Let me, let me put this in perspective for people for real. Like, all right, I was going into the music industry. I was a 26-year-old male, six foot tall, 185 pounds, in the pretty decent shape, you know?

• 31:25Robert Evans?

  With combat experience.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Because I was an ex-marine with combat experience who had been shot 28 times. I felt pressure from people at times. I felt pressured to do things that I didn't want to do. At times, you know, so in perspective of like being just like a naive person trying to get into the music industry like young, like, like no real harsh life experience. It is easy to see that you could be asked to do something, be put in positions.

• 31:59Robert Evans?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Don't want to be in and how far people will make you go. Just because you're afraid because you're like actually believe that like.

• 32:08Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  You have power that I don't understand.

• 32:11Robert Evans?

  And we're talking about the people who know something was done to them and who have spoken out about it. For every one of these, not only are there, obviously there are people who haven't spoken up, but there are also people who may be years away from like actually coming to grips with, no, actually that was bad. That was like really fucked up what happened. I, I even thought about it as like a good thing for a while, or at least like a mixed thing bag for him, but like, no, that was actually really fucked. Like there's people coming to terms with that right now still.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 32:37Robert Evans?

  Grayson is not yet part of any of the ongoing lawsuits against Sean, but her case represents the edge of how women were victimized at his events, right? In that she's not entirely sure what happened or even if she was sexually assaulted because again, drugged. But the well lit photos full of celebrities existed for one purpose, to burnish Sean's image. In order to keep his famous and wealthy friends happy and to sate his own desires, he also had to bring in, as you stated, all of these young women to be at the, to act as party favors, right? That's how we bring, you have these radio contests, some of them are paid sex workers, some of them are women. Okay, you've just gotten started in your career, you know, in the music industry or as a model, you're at a low level in it right now.

• 33:18Robert Evans?

  Why don't you like come over to this party, you know, like, why don't you, uh, you know, and that, and then you get there and then you get coerced. Some of the women at these parties are paid sex workers, but many of them are like, great, the women are being poached in one way or another, right? There's a different method for all of them and that means Diddy's not handling this himself. He has a team of people who are using different methods constantly to find women because these parties are happening constantly.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  This is the 1970s equivalent of the roadie who picks the girls out of the concert, you know, that look like they're down.

• 33:48Robert Evans?

  More people than work at the company Sophie and I run. Their job is just to keep young women coming to these parties.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 33:54Robert Evans?

  He is spending god knows how many millions of dollars a year on just that part of it.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Right, and it shows even when he was busted in Florida, I believe, it was like he had a drug mill with him at the time.

• 34:04Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  He was always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation.

• 34:10Robert Evans?

  Right, you have someone driving ahead of you with the drugs, yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Yes, you give that shit to somebody else, that's their problem. If they get caught, you have accepted you are the one that goes to jail. You say, yes, this is mine, and you go to jail. That's the accepted position of that person, for sure.

• 34:28Robert Evans?

  Yeah, Precious Muir, a former Playboy model, was one of the women who attended a number of his parties. She claims that he provided a car service to drive models to and from the events, and that Diddy had agents basically picking women out in public and plying them with invites. She summarized the pitch one of these guys gave her as, "I host these amazing parties. Everything is taken care of. You don't have to worry about anything. We provide accommodation. So when you go to the Hamptons, there is a house you can stay at, which is very beautiful, very lavish, very stylish, and you don't have to worry about anything. You don't have to pay for anything. Everything is covered." At the time she started attending, Precious was new to the industry without power or connections. Being invited to these parties seemed like the opportunity of a lifetime.

• 35:09Robert Evans?

  You can impress these guys, make your career, and then you're just kind of, as she said, we were kind of thrown in at the deep end amongst all these people that are well-established. People automatically knew that we were new faces. We were new talent and we were vulnerable. We were seen maybe as fresh meat.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  The power of influence, the power of like being able to change your life in a moment.

• 35:28Robert Evans?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  You know, like, we have a thousand of these stories. We have a thousand of Bone Thugs in the studio. One woman came in and sang the hook and it was the moment of her, like, that's the thing that keeps that shit going, is the dream.

• 35:41Robert Evans?

  If you're in entertainment, I can say, like, when I was new in my career, if I had had to do something horrible for myself and my brain and body in order to get a break as a writer, when I was a baby writer,

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:55Robert Evans?

  Like, I thought about it. Like, I was like, yeah, I'll do anything, right? Like, that's where your head is if you're trying to- Break in and that's what that's why so much bad stuff.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Right, right. Like it's the hardest. I mean, the reward is so great, right? The reward of being like at the top of this industry is so great that it is really hard to deny that there is like. When you want it that bad, right? You you want it bad enough to put in eighty hours, a hundred hours a week doing it.

• 36:23Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Right? You also want it bad enough to like cross some lines every now and then.

• 36:28Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  You know, and it's difficult to.

• 36:30Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Does it matter like what happens to me? Right? Yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Right, right. Everybody goes through that thing. It's like, okay, I'm fine as long as it just fucks me up. Right? Like, that's really the thing. It's just gonna fuck me up. Like, I I can take that.

• 36:44Robert Evans?

  Trauma.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I can take some trauma. That dude, everybody that's been in this industry for real knows that. It's fine if it's fucking me up now. I have had my own moments of like, no, no, no, I won't watch you fuck somebody else up, you know?

• 36:57Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  And I won't watch you do this to another person.

• 37:01Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And the the problem is that there's just so many people who don't have that line, right?

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Of course. The line is also, I'll let you fuck me up, you know, like I'll let you ruin me. And so it's like, as long as no one else is seeing that, it's okay.

• 37:16Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Yeah. So because of the nature of how the lawsuits are coming out over this, I have no choice but to jump around. So I'm just going to say right now in February of twenty twenty four, a record producer named Rodney Jones, Jr. filed a federal complaint against Sean, accusing him of running a human trafficking network to stalk his parties with women and girls. From a write up in Vulture, according to Jones, as he alleges in the complaint, Combs reached out to Jones in twenty twenty two to help him produce songs. But Jones claims the work Combs required of him went far beyond producing music. He claims in the lawsuit that he was tasked with procuring drugs and soliciting sex workers to perform sex acts to the pleasure of Mr. Combs. Jones alleges that Combs also required him to tape these sex acts and that Combs would often threaten to inflict bodily harm on him

• 38:00Robert Evans?

  if he did not comply with his demands. Jones alleged in his complaint that Combs kept specific bottles of alcohol designated for females on hand. And according to Mr. Jones, Mr. Combs forced all the women to drink laced De Leon liquor. Upon information and belief, Mr. Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy, the lawsuit claims. He also accuses Combs of sexual harassment and assault for allegedly grabbing him without his consent and forcing him to work while Combs paraded around naked. Jones also alleges that Combs once left him alone in a makeshift studio on a yacht with Cuba Gooding Jr.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Cuba Gooding Jr. God damn it. I have been twitching with anticipation. Talk about Cuba Gooding Jr. God damn it Cuba Gooding Jr. Oh my God, dude. The fucking Cuba Gooding Jr. If you start to know.

• 38:45Robert Evans?

  He gropes the guy, folks.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  He is the worst Cuba Gooding Jr. I, I, if you are watching on YouTube right now or whatever. I'm over here twitching. I have been twitching. Waiting for Cuba Gooding Jr.'s name to come out of your mouth because goddamn Cuba Gooding Jr. The disgusting piece of shit Cuba Gooding Jr. Every, read, spend 10 minutes of your life and read about what Cuba Gooding Jr. did to this guy. And, and then follow that up with a cursory, I mean, the least, the slightest Google search. Of anything else he's done. That guy is the biggest piece of shit that has ever existed.

• 39:26Robert Evans?

  If you've ever wondered, like we all did for a period of time, after he won that Oscar, why hasn't he been him? Think, cuz he's a fucking monster.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Because he's a monster. Because he's a fucking monster. I, this is my Hannibal Buress, Bill Cosby moment. Fucking Cuba Gooding Jr. Is a monster and we need to enact laws and federal goddamn statutes against this person. He is a horrible human being and, and what he has done to the world is disgusting.

• 39:54Robert Evans?

  Take the sanctions off of Cuba, the country and put them off of, onto Cuba, the guy.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Immediately, immediately.

• 40:01Speaker 06

  You know who he did play though?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Radio?

• 40:04Speaker 06

  He played fucking OJ Simpson in that.

• 40:07Robert Evans?

  Who did play OJ and to be honest.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  He was killing it.

• 40:11Robert Evans?

  He played, he played OJ in, in, in the TV show where Ross from Friends plays Rock.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:16Speaker 06

  One of your favorite things.

• 40:18Robert Evans?

  One of my favorite things.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Dude, it breaks my heart every time I think about that thing because like, oh god, Cuba Gooding Jr. is a horrible human being. He did horrible things and somehow.

• 40:31Robert Evans?

  Knocks it out of the park is OJ.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Knocks it out of the park. No, but like has managed to evade all of this puppy like shit.

• 40:38Robert Evans?

  Hopefully that's coming to an end now because stuff about him, more stuff is coming out about him. You know, we could talk more about Q, but I think we've, we've made our point.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  He's, he'll get his own episode. Give it time.

• 40:50Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Combs' lawyers have denied the allegations and described Jones as a con man. Subsequent allegations and the federal indictment against Combs seemed to back up a number of the allegations made by Jones. A few months before Jones filed that complaint in February in December of 2023, a Jane Doe filed a lawsuit in Manhattan alleging that she was gang raped and trafficked by Combs and Bad Boy Records president Harvey Pierre when she was in the 11th grade. These allegations comport with the scenario Precious Mirror described in her interview with the Mirror. Apparently Pierre met this 11th grader at a lounge in Detroit and used Diddy's name to draw her in. Combs then approached and told her, hey, you're welcome on my private jet, which was flying to his studio.

• 41:33Robert Evans?

  Once they were there, she was given lots of drugs and quote, "gang raped by Combs, Pierre and an unknown third person." There are a lot of other hideous details that I'm leaving out. We don't, you, you know, I think the term gang rape.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Make no mistake, this is a story that repeats itself dozens and dozens of times across every single accusation. To the point where it starts to be like, oh my God, we missed Jimmy Savile for like 60 years. We didn't see it.

• 42:00Robert Evans?

  He's getting his episode soon too. Don't you worry.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  We missed it all. Oh man.

• 42:06Robert Evans?

  Turns out we almost always do. Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, we miss it a lot of times. Turns out we're not as brilliant as we think we are. The rumors abounded. There was tons of it. Like you hear it all the time, but you just.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Make like you make the decisions to keep yourselves out of those situations.

• 42:25Robert Evans?

  On a smaller scale, just being, you know, I've been in comedy. I was a Jace. I was never a big stand up guy, but like I did a little and a lot of my friends did. I went out to regular events as I was employed in comedy. And like, you just get told by people, you meet someone and they'll be like, oh, we should hang out. And then someone else will be like, don't hang out with him.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Don't go, don't, don't hang out with that guy.

• 42:44Robert Evans?

  It's usually, usually a woman that you work with who will say like, that guy's a piece of shit. You don't want to know.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:49Robert Evans?

  That guy's a piece of shit. You don't want to know him. That guy's a piece, like, you know.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, right, right. And I said that earlier too. It's like that old crusty dude that's like, hey, man, don't work with that guy. You know, like.

• 42:58Robert Evans?

  Yeah, you don't want to be near that.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  You hear the stories for a long time before you're ever asked to do the things, you know? And like, but the problem comes when you don't hear the stories, you know? The problem comes when you are new to town and you're the first person to sit down.

• 43:14Robert Evans?

  Yep.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  And somebody's like, hey, man.

• 43:15Robert Evans?

  Fucking Oklahoma, right? And getting flown in. Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  All you know is the reputation of that person that exists in the tabloids or on the internet. You don't know the story about, hey, man, don't go to those parties because it's not good, you know?

• 43:30Robert Evans?

  Bad shit. In 2006, Diddy's longtime partner, Kim Porter, gave birth to twins. That was the same year that a friend gave birth to his daughter Chance. Kim considered this a betrayal and broke things off with Diddy. While all this was going on, he was also starting a quote unquote, relationship with a young woman named Cassandra Ventura. He had signed her to his label at age 19 and started a sexual relationship with her shortly thereafter. He was 37 at the time. It was Cassandra's allegations against him that would eventually open the floodgates of legal consequences for Diddy. But before we get to that, I'm going to quote from The Independent summarizing just a series of his trials in the mid aughts.

• 44:09Robert Evans?

  Eight months after his 2014 Howard commencement speech, TMZ reported that he punched Drake in a Miami nightclub because of a feud over a song, which. In a rare case for these episodes, points for Diddy on that.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:22Robert Evans?

  Six months later, he was arrested and charged in California with three counts of assault with a deadly weapon, one count of making terrorist threats, and one count of battery after allegedly attacking one of his son's football coaches.

• 44:34Speaker 06

  Oh my god, I remember this.

• 44:35Robert Evans?

  At UCLA. The assault reportedly involved a kettlebell, but prosecutors ultimately decided not to pursue felony charges.

• 44:42Speaker 06

  Oh my god, cuz his son, Justin, tried to play, by the way, so Justin's not big enough to play football, but like, oh my god.

• 44:49Robert Evans?

  You gotta do something real bad for me to be on the side of a football coach, guys.

• 44:54Speaker 06

  Jesus Christ.

• 44:56Robert Evans?

  Anyway, speaking of football coaches, coach yourself on over to this podcast. Atts? Sorry, I don't know why I did that.

• 45:05Speaker 06

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• 45:06Speaker 01

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• 45:07Robert Evans?

  We've been at this a while.

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• 47:19Robert Evans?

  And we're back and finishing up the epic tale.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  The epic tale of Gilgamesh and P. Diddy.

• 47:26Speaker 06

  Are we gonna get into the Cassie stuff now?

• 47:28Robert Evans?

  We are. We're gonna get into the Cassie stuff now. Yes, Cassie, who was for a while his in Kedoo? If we're doing the Gilgamesh, anyway, whatever. Let's talk Cassandra. After his split from Kim Porter, she was the woman largely seen as Diddy's public partner. Right? She was a singer and a model in her own right.

• 47:45Speaker 06

  Super talented.

• 47:46Robert Evans?

  Yeah, very talented. The two are generally depicted in media as like a power couple, right?

• 47:50Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 47:51Robert Evans?

  In a civil lawsuit filed earlier this year, Miss Ventura claims that from the beginning, Shawn used his wealth and power to force her into a, quote, "manipulative and coercive romantic and sexual relationship." He assaulted her constantly, beating and kicking her and regularly leaving, quote, "black eyes, bruises, and blood." Cassandra describes his freak-offs in her lawsuit and alleged that he would often secretly film the days of debauchery with his famous friends. The videotapes doubled as fuel for extortion if anyone crossed him, which is part of why his social circle was so loyal and so quiet for so long, right? He has videos of them doing the crimes. Again, the movie Don't Blink really does cover a lot of this. And as a bonus, has Christian Slater, and that's never a bad time.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, Christian Slater is amazing, man.

• 48:37Robert Evans?

  He's fucking great, yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  I love him, dude. I love that guy.

• 48:40Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  It's dark, man. It like this.

• 48:43Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Do you talk about the fact that Kim Porter also dies? Did we?

• 48:47Robert Evans?

  Yes, yes, at age 47. That hasn't happened yet, though. I mean, it's happened in real life.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  There's a lot of like where it gets to the point where it's like, God, dude, like. The people around you.

• 48:57Speaker 06

  So many things.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's just too many things. The Kid Cudi explosion, like of his car, where he says his car.

• 49:04Robert Evans?

  Yes, yes, yes, the Kid Cudi, yes.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  There's so many things that you're like, oh, my God, dude, you are a bad person.

• 49:11Robert Evans?

  Yes.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  You're a bad person. There's something bad about you. And I just like, every person has a, oh, did you ever work with this guy? Type story. It's like, it's, it's one of those like badges of honor almost sometimes we hear in the industry where it's like, oh, yeah, man, I spent a week with Diddy, man. You know, it was crazy, man.

• 49:27Robert Evans?

  Speaking of which, let's talk about the Kid Cudi story because you hear about this first in 2012. Gossip blogs report that Cassie, who was dating Kid Cudi at the time, and Diddy had had a fight in a club. And now in the lawsuit, Cassie claims that Diddy, quote, blew up a man's car after he learned he was romantically interested in Ventura. And here's my favorite quote. This is from the salon.com article. The New York Times said through a spokesperson that Kid Cudi confirmed Cassie's account that his car exploded in his driveway. This is all true, he said.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Yeah.

• 50:00Robert Evans?

  Just a car explosion. No way to say who did it. Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Hey, man, who knows? I was pissing this one dude off and sometimes shit happens.

• 50:10Robert Evans?

  Sometimes shit happens.

• 50:11Speaker 06

  Also like Cudi's cool.

• 50:13Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I, I don't know anything about him, but he's cool and he has one less car than he would otherwise have. We can say that for sure.

• 50:19Speaker 06

  So true, Robert.

• 50:20Robert Evans?

  From the New York Times, quote, Cassie, in her lawsuit, said that Mr. Combs directed frequent freak-offs at high-end hotels around the country, directing her at the events to pour excessive amounts of oil on herself and tell her where to touch the prostitutes while he filmed and masturbated. We're not gonna like go into a ton of detail about the massive amount of baby oil, but there's a lot of it. Some of it's drugged.

• 50:41Speaker 06

  Disgusting.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  There was a reason why they confiscated like a thousand bottles of baby oil.

• 50:47Robert Evans?

  Literally a thousand.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like, it was like, there's a reason why that that happened. And there was absolutely.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  To the point where Costco had to come out and be like, dog, we don't, we don't sell that shit.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are, we are not.

• 50:58Speaker 06

  We are not in on that shit.

• 51:00Robert Evans?

  The only reason I can think of to drug it is because you are getting it inside people in their mucus.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

• 51:07Robert Evans?

  Like fucking MDMA or whatever isn't going to absorb through your skin.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  It's not a bodily, yeah, exactly.

• 51:12Robert Evans?

  Put it in someone's vagina. And so again, like, it's just, it's hideous, right?

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:16Robert Evans?

  Like, we don't need to belabor that point. I think you get it, right? Cassie says in her lawsuit, he treated the forced encounter as a personal art project, adjusting the candles he used for lighting to frame the videos that he took.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Bro's an art tour.

• 51:31Robert Evans?

  He's an art tour of sex crimes. Yeah. I wonder if he and Epstein ever partied. They certainly had the opportunity.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  I don't know, but Trump's the common link, which is hilarious because it's like, yeah, of course, you say Diddy is a great guy, he's my friend, and also you're best friends with Epstein.

• 51:48Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. In 2018, Kim Porter passes away. The cause of death was initially listed as deferred, but it was later confirmed that she died of pneumonia.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:59Robert Evans?

  And.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  And, and would be remiss to not conspiracy talk. It, there's a lot of people.

• 52:04Robert Evans?

  Maybe.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  But, but to be fair, I know King Combs posted Diddy's son.

• 52:09Speaker 06

  Christian.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, Christian. Yeah.

• 52:09Speaker 06

  Christian Combs.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  He posted that there has never been any question amongst the children that, that his dad was involved in any way.

• 52:16Robert Evans?

  People do just die sometimes.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Yes. It's absolutely reasonable to say that people do in fact just die sometimes.

• 52:22Robert Evans?

  But, yeah, again, people have also said maybe that death should be looked into, and probably. Not a bad idea. Take a look. Take a look.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  JFK's head just exploded, dude. Like, I don't know if you know that. He just did, just did that.

• 52:34Robert Evans?

  Presidents just do that sometimes.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  Sometimes.

• 52:36Robert Evans?

  It's a, it's a pre-existing condition.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Pre-existing.

• 52:41Robert Evans?

  In 2017, Diddy changed his name yet again. He told the world he would now go by Love or Brother Love.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 52:49Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. A lot of people miss this era.

• 52:52Speaker 06

  I knew this. I fucking knew this.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  This is the Snoop Lion era of Diddy.

• 52:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:57Robert Evans?

  He legally changes his name because Love is his legal middle name. He tells Vanity Fair at the time, "Love is a mission. I feel like that's one of the biggest missions that will actually shift things. But besides that, we, the world, is different. We have the internet. We have the power. We have a culture. I have us on a five-year plan." First off, fucking talking like Stalin there. Second.

• 53:20Robert Evans?

  That was more than five years ago. How'd the plan work out? Diddy?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:24Robert Evans?

  How was it more loving?

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, nailed it.

• 53:28Robert Evans?

  Oh, man.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Good job, bro.

• 53:30Robert Evans?

  Fucking Joseph Diddy Beria, uh, fucking hell. Now, during this period, Diddy's public image remained mostly benign in articles from-

• 53:39Speaker 06

  You know, he named his, like, youngest baby Love, right?

• 53:42Robert Evans?

  Yes, he did.

• 53:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:44Robert Evans?

  It happens with famous people. You see it with Elon Musk and X, you know?

• 53:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:48Robert Evans?

  Just name your kids something else. I don't care what you name your kid.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  What is wrong with Steven, man?

• 53:54Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Steve's okay.

• 53:56Robert Evans?

  Hans. Yeah.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Why we gotta be weird about everything?

• 54:01Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Now, in articles from the time he was feted as a genius producer, an interviewer seemed happy to ignore the numerous assault allegations that, you know, were kind of in the shadows, but not too shadowy to have found, and the very public fact that he had definitely killed people through negligence and had them murdered. He even managed to avoid Me Too entirely. In fact, in that interview, he tells Vanity Fair the movement inspired him and, quote, "showed me you can get maximum change."

• 54:29Speaker 01

  God damn it. God damn it.

• 54:30Robert Evans?

  Didn't say a word about his friend Weinstein that he'd been fucking looking for a project with for seven years.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  I mean, honestly, sometimes people are fucking out there doing the, you know, dodgeball equivalent of making it through life, you know? Just like, you can't get me.

• 54:44Robert Evans?

  He must have felt like, phew, dodge that bullet. Clearly, it's clean sailing from here on out.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  Which is crazy because, I mean, so feel back, man, this is the Danny DeCain stuff. They talked about a lot of shit that he did.

• 54:56Speaker 06

  So much.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Super adjacent, you know? It's like, never sexual assault, but super adjacent.

• 55:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, I talked to Robert about this, because I told him-

• 55:06Robert Evans?

  One of the first people-

• 55:06Speaker 06

  Aubrey O'Day.

• 55:08Robert Evans?

  Yeah, Aubrey O'Day comes out for years, like, at least a couple of years, saying, "I don't think she sees or has evidence." And obviously, you don't want to casually, before all this breaks, call him a sexual- He has a lot of money. He can hurt you, right?

• 55:21Speaker 06

  She was vocal about him for so many years.

• 55:25Robert Evans?

  She did everything she could.

• 55:27Speaker 06

  But also, she said Don Jr. was her soulmate, so people, like, really stopped taking her and, like, had an affair with him. There's, like, a lot of stuff there. So people didn't believe her, but she was fucking right.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:39Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I think one of the most direct things she said in 2022, in an interview on the Call Her Daddy podcast, she said that Diddy had fired her because she quote, "wasn't willing to do what was expected, not talent wise, but in other areas."

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:52Robert Evans?

  Right?

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal. Very clear what that means.

• 55:58Robert Evans?

  Yeah, and here's another quote from an article, again, this is before everything breaks in Variety, this is 2019, called Aubrey O'Day is Still Recovering From Making The Band PTSD and Making The Band is The Reality Show That Diddy Made.

• 56:09Speaker 06

  All of them suffered so much. It's so horrible.

• 56:13Robert Evans?

  Puff is a very difficult person to work with. Everything had to be perfect. I remember times where he looked at my toenails and was like, "What is your third toenail doing? Go get that shit fixed before you walk into a room." Or we would be in rehearsals, performing an hour and a half set over and over.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Bitch, you get your toenails corrected, I will fucking end you.

• 56:31Robert Evans?

  I would walk in for five minutes with a camera and say, "Aubrey, why are you sweating? You look like a wet dog. You're the hot one. So you think anyone wants to see that?" And again, this is all pretty minor next to all the horrible sex.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:43Robert Evans?

  He's a dick too, yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  It's like, you understand, it's like, somebody that will go to the lengths of like, fucking with your third toe, is like the type of person that will make you feel the worst about who you are. Yeah, yeah.

• 56:54Speaker 06

  No, no, guys, listen, I distinctly remember a clip from that show where all of them were presented to him and he like, went one by one critiquing their personal appearance and the things he said were just inhumane.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  Horrific and inhumane. But specifically, that story's crazy because like Aubrey, like basically you could even see it in her, like morphed into like whatever was asked of her and then he'd tear that down too. So, you know.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  To devil's advocate this stupid situation because I hate to do it, but like, I've been on the, I've been in reality shows. For some reason, when you want to like, hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in a reality show because all these people want to be musicians, like I get hired to do these like stupid reality shows to play myself in a reality show. And so, I've had these situations where I see the way it actually goes. Down and it is absolutely people pushing the worst narrative. But here's the thing that I think that is really important to understand about it is that some people their worst is not that bad. You know, like in comparative speaking, it's like you see them do these like, like, like, oh, they're trying to ham it up for TV and they're not really good at being like mean people.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Right? You can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible about themselves, you know, like to really like be a shitty person towards somebody. And that's the type of thing that you see in this where it's like, man, to like attack your toes, like the way your toes look to attack like these like arbitrary things. They know that that's something that cuts deep on a person that makes them second guess themselves like deep inside themselves, you know?

• 58:37Robert Evans?

  Yep. Yep. Absolutely. So about five years after saying that he was inspired by me too, in that article for Vanity Fair, Cassandra came forward with her lawsuit and she was joined very quickly in a flood of lawsuits. Not all of the people charging Sean with sexual assault are women. We have mostly focused on that, but I want to be very clear that he is alleged of assaulting men too, not just through Cuba. One man currently incarcerated in Michigan for kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct himself says that Diddy drugged and raped him in Detroit in 1997. A judgment was briefly issued on that case, but Diddy's lawyers, because they hadn't appeared in court, unclear to me what happened, you know? But like, that's not the only allegation of him abusing a man too, right?

• 59:20Robert Evans?

  I just want to be clear about that. There's just less of it. Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  It's damn near fifty fifty on the ratio on this. It's like, it's pretty even. He, he seems to be an equal opportunity sexual assaulter.

• 59:32Robert Evans?

  And he's got famous friends who are gay and creeps. Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 06

  And there's also just like so many like allegedly things that have happened that like, obviously we can't comment as fact right now, but like as this trial proceeds, I'm sure a lot more will come out, but there's a lot of grooming allegations as well.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  And to be very fair, it would be irresponsible to not mention the amount of people that will jump on a situation because they are themselves shitty people that will like jump on something. Oh, this happened to me because they see the wave and it will give them a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck. But without a doubt, there is actual allegations that exist inside of this that are.

• 1:00:19Speaker 06

  Horrifying.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, horrifying and real, you know?

• 1:00:22Robert Evans?

  So, there are so many of these allegations that we, we're not gonna cover more of them, right?

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Couldn't.

• 1:00:27Robert Evans?

  We've done it.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Seven parter.

• 1:00:29Robert Evans?

  I think this gives you a pretty good understanding of him. And the fact that I've cut out allegations, which I've cut out like two for everyone I've included, says nothing about the legitimacy of those, it's just a space thing. I should say a bit here about Christina Coram, K-H-O-R-R-A-M. She was Combs' chief of staff and is a co-defendant in the Jones lawsuit. We talked about the lady from Oklahoma who was like brought into a party and drugged and possibly sexually assaulted, and then called by a woman afterwards and threatened. I think there's a decent chance that was Christina Coram. Jones claims that Coram bought a lot of the drugs and actually handled the booking and paying of sex workers for Combs' parties. She was his Gillian Maxwell, in other words. And also, it's worth noting, again, I keep bringing up that movie that I didn't appreciate as much until this all came out,

• 1:01:14Robert Evans?

  linked twice, the woman who is, there's like an older woman who is like the creepy sex CEO's like, like fixer, and I, she's Christina Coram. That's who, I didn't realize how directed it was.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  There is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use their vulnerability with people, you know, their ability to access the vulnerability of people, you know?

• 1:01:38Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  That, that makes you feel like, oh, it's a woman, I, I don't have to worry about what the, there was always one of those. There is always one of those every single time.

• 1:01:45Robert Evans?

  Yeah, and that's Christina Coram in this story. We'll see what happens to her. Sean Puffy Combs was arrested on September 16th, 2024, several months after the FBI raided his LA mansion and seized firearms, illegal drugs, and more than a thousand bottles of baby oil. Combs has denied all charges and pled not guilty. More recently, a judge declined to set bail for him, noting that he still posed a danger to the community.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  He gets denied bail like once a week, motherfucker tries to get out once a week.

• 1:02:15Robert Evans?

  Yeah, he's in the same part of the jail.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Very recently, there's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know, stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use their phone time and like, to intimidate witnesses specifically, like, he's already in jail trying to run shit from what they say. So it's like, it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm. He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game from inside prison.

• 1:02:42Robert Evans?

  Yep. And that's the episode, everybody.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Well, you know, I feel really good about money.

• 1:02:50Robert Evans?

  Time to go party, yeah.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  I just, I just want to make a lot of money so I can do anything I want. I don't know, man. I'm with you. I think, I think we just, we build an empire, take it to the FDA. We really run.

• 1:03:03Robert Evans?

  Take it to the FDA, and that'll save us, you know, and our reputations. We'll die historic, you know, in a gunfight with the FDA.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  That's all I want, man.

• 1:03:13Robert Evans?

  That's the way to go down, yeah.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  So all I want, you know, because they say you only die when the last person that remembers your name dies, you know?

• 1:03:21Robert Evans?

  And every one of those FDA agents has got to remember us forever.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  All of their children, all of their children's children.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  They'll never forget.

• 1:03:30Robert Evans?

  Yep. Now, we're gonna have to start selling supplements first, Will. Oh, my god.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Oh, my god. Do you know what's funny to me, man? Every time I post on TikTok, people will be like, "Man, you would really like this Behind the Bastards podcast."

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  And I always, every time I'm like-

• 1:03:49Robert Evans?

  I puked with him!

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Do I ever. You know, I know that guy.

• 1:03:56Robert Evans?

  So funny. Yep. So, this has been Behind the Bastards, a podcast about a guy I almost named a goat for.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  It has been a fantastic time. I appreciate the shit out of you, man. Thank you so much for letting me-

• 1:04:10Robert Evans?

  Appreciate you too, Will.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Let me hang out and, and-

• 1:04:13Robert Evans?

  And get very drunk?

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made me feel icky.

• 1:04:20Robert Evans?

  Cool.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  That's the podcast experience.

• 1:04:23Robert Evans?

  I hope you're at home, or drunk, or something too, and buddy, and godspeed.

• 1:04:30Speaker 06

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