Yungblud | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan

Billy Corgan sits down with Yungblud (Dom Harrison) at a pivotal career moment to unpack one of the rarest moves in music: crossing over from pop to rock and making it stick. From storming America’s legendary stages like the Fillmore and Palladium to earning Ozzy & Sharon Osbourne’s blessing in Birmingham, Yungblud reflects on why authenticity can’t be faked, why community matters more than clout, and how rock is finding new life with a new generation. The conversation goes deep into the cultural divide between UK and US audiences, the vision behind his IDOLS era, and his bold choice to re-record the album live at Berlin’s Hansa Studios (home to Bowie, Iggy Pop, U2, Depeche Mode) and his explosive collaboration with Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:09Speaker 01

  I remember going up home and going, "Look at this. It is time." It hit me in the face like a comet, right in my, right in my, in between my eyes.

• 1:18Billy Corgan?

  You can sing pop, you can sing a ballad, and that crowd will go with you.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  I want my voice to be the leader. I want my sense of imagination to be limitless. And I want to put rock music at the forefront of, of my brand and my idea because it's what I've grown up with.

• 1:39Billy Corgan?

  The moment that you're in is so rare. It probably, I know you know it's rare, but you don't realize how rare it is.

• 1:48Billy Corgan?

  Dom, thank you for being on my show. Let me start here.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here, man. Long overdue, I think.

• 1:57Billy Corgan?

  But let me start here. Okay. I hate doing interviews over Zoom. So I've only done two. Hold on, hold on. I've only done two. One was Sam Moore of the great Sam and Dave Soul Group. Because he was eighty nine years old. You know, couldn't get on a plane and you. Because I can't pin you down because you're moving like a comet across the the sky at the moment.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  It's wild, man. Honestly, I really appreciate it because I were in I'm in Detroit at the minute. And I was literally just like, ah, I've got to do this. I've got to do this with Billy, man. Please let's just like try and get into a remote. So I appreciate it.

• 2:32Billy Corgan?

  So.

• 2:34Billy Corgan?

  Normally, I don't know if you've seen my interviews. I like to do like a deeper dive, like everything from childhood, family, everything. So I feel like this isn't the right way to do it. But I want to do is what what I would call like a heat check. Because you're at a very interesting moment of your musical and personal life. So it's more like a drop in like, let's just kind of see where you are. And the idea here would be if we look at this in twenty years. We'll see which one of us was more right about where you end up.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  I know. It's it's been so funny with you because I almost see you as like Gandalf. For me, because you've made comments about where I'm at. And then it kind of like happens. I'm like, hang on a second, like Gandalf or Yoda. You know, I mean.

• 3:12Billy Corgan?

  I like Gandalf better.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  All right, fair deal.

• 3:17Billy Corgan?

  Okay, so we'll just jig it jig and jog around. Nothing too serious today. We'll save that for another time. But um.

• 3:26Billy Corgan?

  So you got Idols out. You're out on tour on the Idols World Tour, which, by the way, very unique name. Idols album, Idols World Tour.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wild.

• 3:35Billy Corgan?

  That's one of those ones like nobody sat and thought like. Idols, Idols World Tour.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it it's been such a strange. I don't know. It's almost been like a manifestation to what has happened within this album and this tour. I think like I made a an album really about reclaiming oneself and and and really doing what I wanted. You know, I think I think.

• 4:02Billy Corgan?

  Funny how that works, right? Like it's working and it works.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. And it worked. Honestly, I think it's so crazy. It was so it was so serendipitous that we're doing this because I really remember.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Feeling quite at a crossroads in my life when I hit twenty seven. And I really, Idols was an album that I've been envisioning since I was twenty two years old, you know? And I, um, I really remember seeing you say something about me on the Ali Hargandorf podcast. I remember you talking about my voice. I, I honestly, you were such a massive part of that turning point because I think when you,

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I don't, I think when you like, look at your idols, like someone like you to me, I think kind of,

• 4:49Speaker 01

  when you know them on a personal level and when they talk about you, you have kind of, before that, you have no point of reference. All you have is yourself, your friends, your record company, the people around you. But when you hear someone you look up to and an idol you look up to go like, I think it's time for him to sing and I think it's time for him to do a rock album. I think it's time for him to lean into really what he wants to do because I see this thing, but it's not quite linked up yet. I literally was like, oh, finally, I, I feel like I can really lean into.

• 5:21Billy Corgan?

  I didn't know, I didn't know that. So I'm, I'm very touched that, that.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. I remember going up home and going, look at this. It is time. It hit me in the face like a comet right in my, right in my, in between my eyes because I think what's been interesting is I've been doing this since I was eighteen and you never expect to, for people to even care at the start. You love it, you believe it. And then the whole world suddenly gets involved and has, has an opinion. And for so long, people have been telling me to twist the idea of rock music instead of just really just go for it in its purest form that I fell in love with it with. And then good old Billy Corgan goes, I wish you'd just sing, man.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  And then I'm like, and then, and then, and then I was like, ah, okay, let, let's, let's go. And I think this whole journey really, really has been so beautiful because I've, I've settled into the first iteration of what I believe I will be doing for the rest of my life.

• 6:22Billy Corgan?

  Yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  The music, the journeys I'll be taking for the rest of my life, you know?

• 6:25Billy Corgan?

  Yeah. Well, that's what we call in the band a musician's timing, you see? So it's the right quote on the right day, you know?

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wild. Hit me in the face.

• 6:34Billy Corgan?

  Well, I remember seeing you, uh, let's call it Mach One, you know, uh, remember seeing a clip of you maybe on the Jimmy Kimmel Show or something? You're walking backstage and you were singing and you kind of came out to the crowd and the whole thing. And I thought, okay, this, this guy can sing. But then to that point, all the marketing was very much, you know, typical pop.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:56Billy Corgan?

  At least what we would call pop here. I know, I know the UK scene is slightly different.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Billy Corgan?

  Which is, and I don't mean this in any disrespectful way. I don't know him, but, uh, cause I was at Virgin Records when Robbie Williams was signed to Virgin. And Robbie was obviously a stadium act in the UK, but couldn't get arrested in America. And I remember having conversations with, uh, American record executives, cause it was my record company, cause they were curious for my opinion. Why Robbie was having trouble getting traction in, in, in, in America. And I said, the thing that helps Robbie work in the UK doesn't work in America. American, uh, the American rock scene, like Robbie always kind of played with rock. There was even that video where he like dressed up like Kiss or something like, you know?

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:39Billy Corgan?

  Nothing disrespectful. I have a lot of respect for Robbie, but you've got to come from the street in America with rock. You can't come top down like you can in the UK. You gotta come up from the bottom up.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  100%.

• 7:53Billy Corgan?

  Do you feel that now that you're finally getting that other traction in America?

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I think what was, what was so, um, interesting about that last record was, I think, my first album, I was 18. I was mad. Brexit had just happened in the UK. The first time I got to vote. And the whole basis of that campaign, young people would lie. I mean, the whole population was lied to. So me and my friends really felt misrepresented within music, you know? I think like I wrote an album, my first album, I was 18 years old about what me and my friends are talking about down the pub. And then that went absolutely bananas, out of control, more than I would ever expect.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  And I think then all these opinions kind of uh come into play by people who didn't really get you at the beginning anyway. And I think when you kind of, the biggest thing, the biggest lesson I've, I've kind of uh had to learn to navigate. When, when I've reached this point in my life, going into idols, going into Blood Fest, going into the next music is kind of uh me. Like not taking no for an answer and being like, guys, like I ain't doing that or. I'm not gonna go and I don't want you to put me with a load of writers because you think they're gonna give me this magical.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Thing that you think that, that I need when I think the, the most beautiful thing about kind of space and going home and listening to your peers and listening to. Actual rock stars who've written actual classics, who've sold actual records. It is, is kind of uh this, this sense of purity and this sense of truth of, of. I went home and I was like, what do I wanna do, even if it's the demise of everything? If it's the last stand, if it's the last moment, what I wanna be remembered by, oh, that was his last thing before. He fell off the face of the earth, he died, he, you know what I mean, he, he, he went to open a guitar shop or whatever, you know what I'm saying, it's like. And, and that, that was, I, I really went from a purist mentality with idols, being like, okay, I wanna create.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Something that's gonna elongate the imagination and almost reset me in a place where. I want my vo- voice to be the leader, I want my imag- sense of imagination to be limitless. And I want to put rock music at the forefront of, uh, of my. Brand and my idea because it's what I've grew up, grown up with, you know, I grew up in a guitar shop, my, my, my dad and my granddad had guitar shops and. The most beautiful thing about this album is it, it smells like soldering wire. Tolex glue and and Marshall Marshall's I'm saying and yeah and I think like you can feel that and it's so interesting. I would say to

• 10:39Speaker 01

  any artist when you it's always beautiful getting lost because you when you when you can if you can figure out your way back, you become more yourself than ever. You know, I think it's it's it's been cool because people can smell the truth. And I think that's why, again, people are starting to resonate in a bigger level than just the Youngblood call with with this album. Someone said, Oh, wow, this this feels like it's on to something here. Maybe it's not fully there yet, but that's cool. It's like, oh, it's always about the journey. It's always

• 11:13Billy Corgan?

  about the journey. Um, it's interesting because if you look at any artist's journey that you would respect, you usually can see a couple songs before the album where they really have the breakthrough. You kind of see the glimmer. Then there's the breakthrough record, which I feel like you're finally on, which is weird because you've had a lot of success. It's not like you were nobody. But the amount of times I've heard your name coming out of people's mouths in the last 60 days. It's like random people. I mean, the guy parking my car comes up and wants to talk to me about you.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 11:50Billy Corgan?

  But I mean, but that's, that's, that's, that's how I know you're crack in America.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:55Billy Corgan?

  You gotta, it's gotta be straight up. Where literally the guy like, sorry, but the literally the guy parking the car has to see something in you. It's, it's, it's, it's a very egalitarian society in that way. You know, we don't have the classism like you have in the UK. It's, it really is a working class country, even if we've gone away from that.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I could really, I can really feel that on this tour. It's so. Strange the effervescence of the crowd at the minute. I mean, I've toured America three times, but it's never been like this. This is like, and I said that, I think I kind of really did clean house on this album. I had a lot of people telling me a lot of things. And I was like, guys, I really want to just go back to basics and I really want to play these. Like, I'm in the Fillmore in Detroit tonight. Like, I was, I've never played here. I wanted to go and walk the boards that you did, that Zeppelin did, that Iggy did, that Bowie did. I wanted to go and do America and play like the Palladium and the Fillmores

• 12:58Speaker 01

  and these real rock and roll venues with this album that is so adherent to the way I believe rock should homage to the past but be dragged into 2026, 27, 28, 29.

• 13:12Billy Corgan?

  Yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Because it's all about imagination. That's why I think, I think rock music is such an incredible genre because it's the one genre you can't fake. Hip hop or pop gives its crown to whatever's biggest in that moment. Rock music is about pioneering while being adherent and respectful to the past and knowledge and, and this, this sense of community. It doesn't give the keys away. It's reluctant and, and it's, that's fun. You know what I mean? I think we debate, we debate, we debate, we debate, we debate. And it's kind of, it's, it's, it's cool, man, you know?

• 13:52Billy Corgan?

  Okay, so two things. Number one, you're talking about playing these iconic venues because you wanted to walk the boards that these great bands have walked. Can you feel it?

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Categorically, yes. It's wild. Like, I played the rave last night. We saw the rave in Milwaukee. And to see everyone on the wall and to speak to, to the owner about it and just to feel, I don't know, man, like, I believe when you're writing songs or when you're a musician, that all the energy's floating above you, you've just got to catch it. You know what I mean? The fish are all above there. You've just got to have the rod out to catch it or you're going to catch it or Noel Gallagher's going to catch it or Iggy's going to catch it. You know what I mean? It's like, and you can just feel it. And it's, it's so, it's so beautiful to be on this run in America as rock music rears its head again.

• 14:43Billy Corgan?

  Second thing I was gonna say is.

• 14:47Billy Corgan?

  And you're figuring this out, so I'm not saying anything you don't know, but I can tell you this from having lived it, they really want you to grab that thing. They really do. No matter what anybody tells you, they're there because they want to see you go for it.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  I think that's what's beautiful about American audiences as well. It's almost like when the American audience get behind you, it's the biggest crash of a wave you've ever felt.

• 15:16Billy Corgan?

  Well, The Stones, The Beatles.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 15:20Billy Corgan?

  Everybody had to come over, no matter how great they were, and they were great. They all had to come here because there's something about, because this is really the heart of rock and roll, right? I mean, no matter how many generations go by. And by the way, when I say rock and roll, we're talking Motown, we're talking status.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, Screaming Jay Hawkins, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters, like, that, that, that's the vibe. Because when you think about rock and roll, and when you think about The Beatles and The Stones, leading into Saba, leading into everything like after that, it was all rooted in American blues music that we, that we put in a British accent and put some leather on, you know what I mean?

• 16:00Billy Corgan?

  So, um, I haven't seen the Are You Ready Boy doc yet. Um, Ally Hagedorf, our, our mutual buddy was here earlier today and we were talking about you. And she had seen it with her husband and, um, so I was asking her some questions, but, uh, the idea of you kind of staring down, you know, what you're after in, in the doc, um, can you just speak to that a little bit?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think this album was really about confronting legacy, not bowing down to it, you know? I wanted to, because it was the most musically ambitious project we've ever done. I wanted to re-record a live version of the album three weeks after we delivered it. You know, I mean, not after, not after we've been on the road for a year. I still wanted that heartbeat when the red light goes on. It's not muscle memory yet. I don't know necessarily how I sing it yet. I think, because when you're in the studio.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  You kind of, it comes out of you for the first time, so the magic is encapsulated. And then two years after you've been playing it on the road, it's muscle memory, so you can sing it in your sleep and you know every inflection and you know every breath. But I really wanted to kind of go to a legendary studio, Hans Studios in Berlin, Bowie, Iggy, Lou Reed, U2, Depeche Mode, you name it. And stand in the room and see if I could step up and perform this record in, in, in the, in the, in the room where so many epiphanies and hits have come from that ceiling.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  And, uh, and really just kind of challenge my band to recreate this album. And I, I, it was such a crazy experience because Paul Dugdale directed it and he's such a great director because he is all about the truth and I, and I love that about him. And I think he's been, he's been making films for pop stars for quite a long time. So I think he was ready for a bit of

• 18:07Speaker 01

  unhinged behaviour, you know what I mean? In the film, I was like, I want you, we're there for 10 days. I want you to roll everything. I don't want, I don't want any part of the edit. Because if I, you know what it's like as an artist, if you have part of the edit, you can kill the honesty of the film because you, I don't know, it's like, oh, I don't look good there or I'm singing a bit out of tune there or, or we're having an argument there or maybe I don't want to reveal that. I was like, right, you get free rein. I'm going to see it once. I've seen the film twice. It's so uncomfortable for me to watch. I'm like, oh God. But I think letting it, letting it happen and letting it be out there was something that, again, I think like, I think the biggest issue people have had with me, um, is

• 18:51Speaker 01

  they have questioned my authenticity because in today's day and age, there is no mystery anymore. I think like, when you put out, I mean, Dream, you, you are on MTV and it's, and it looks epic and the photographs are dope and everything's crazy, but you don't see.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Billy in the bathroom scratching his ass every day, do you know what I mean? On the iPhone in today's to break through, you have to document everything to even get above the surface. And I think it's, it was hard for people to understand sometimes to see in a world where everything is so edited and we all do it, I do it to, to break through into the, the two millisecond attention span. So I really wanted to create a film that would be a, a sense of elongation of the imagination so people could really get to know who I am and then make an honest judgment whether they can hate me or they like love me, you know what I mean? I think like, that's cool, that.

• 19:55Billy Corgan?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  I think it was, it was dope to be like, right, roll it and see what happens now, you know?

• 20:01Billy Corgan?

  So, so in talking to Alison, my perception is you're on a, like a once in a lifetime roll and we'll talk about that in a second. And I've been calling that shot for three years, so I feel like Nostradamus over here. But Alison's, and you know, she loves you, so you know, you know how she feels about you, but she said, you know, look, I've known him since before his first stuff came out. And he's very much in charge of where this whole ship is going, you know what I mean? The Young Blood Inc., you know what I mean?

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:35Billy Corgan?

  But, but the question is, is, and it arose from something she said, you know, she said he's, he's, there's a lot of people who are not in this, you're talking about authenticity, a lot of people aren't sold on what he's bringing to the table. And I of course did one of these, like, oh, those people don't know what the hell they're talking about. But I thought it was interesting to ask you, and it's not a speak to the haters question. It's more like where you see people divided on you, is it a question of authenticity? Is it a question of talent? Like, what is the, what is the vibe you're getting up off the street where people aren't sold?

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think, I think it's, I think it's sometimes people don't, don't believe me and I, I welcome that challenge because I think it was so interesting when I spoke to Ozzy about this, he was saying, he'd said like, you cannot take that on, you have to do what you do and people will. Maybe probably understand it in hindsight. I think, especially in rock music. I think every generation before, it's like me dad's dad didn't like Oasis because he thought they were ripping off the Beatles. And I think every kind of people before, it's hard to, it's hard, it's hard to understand someone who is trying to. Uh.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Kind of do rock music in a new way because of course I'm referencing the past like we all were, you know, I'm saying, I'm saying.

• 22:00Billy Corgan?

  I mean, the amount of, the amount of people I've ripped off is, you know what I mean?

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Exactly. That's, that's, that's, that's.

• 22:06Billy Corgan?

  That's the game. That's the, that's the fun of it.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  That's the fun of it. And that's, that's, that is what I think is really exciting about rock music. I think what was beautiful about the Birmingham gig. Is I think the biggest thing with it all is Youngblood as a name, it, it almost a negative connotation around it was, oh, I can't like that because it's for the kids. You know, I think it became such a, I think it became a thing. Oh, I, I, I might be a bit old for that. So it's al- already like kind of. It was segregating. Uh.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  A, a, a demographic almost. But I think what was beautiful about the Back to the Beginning show. Was it was the first time when an older generation of rock fans had something in common with me. And that was our mutual adoration for our genre. I think people are, oh, he's just a, he's just a rock fan. He's just a, he's just a Sabbath fan like we all are. And I think it's kind of gave people a, a little opening of a door to maybe fall down the rabbit hole. And when you take something like Bloodfest, I think Youngblood was a, was a, within this transition point was such a.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  A strange thing for me to navigate because I was almost falling out of love with my name. Because the only things I was becoming insecure about were opinions people were saying about me on the internet. You know, you, you, you, you read things and then you get insecure about things you didn't even know existed.

• 23:40Billy Corgan?

  Like your nose or your tooth, right?

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, is that what people think about me? You know what I'm saying? And, and everyone was like, are you gonna be Youngblood forever? And that was a question I was like, oh, I didn't really think about that at eighteen years old. I just believed in this idea with everything I got and ran with it. And I remember at the end of the self titled album, which was probably the most lost I'd ever been. Cause I was listening to a lot of people. I really was like, I need to stop now. And I need to figure out if Youngblood was gonna be a Ziggy Stardust. And if I was gonna go on to another, another thing.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  But the one thing that made me really re fall in love with my name was Bloodfest. Because after the album, I said, right, I'm gonna take a year off the internet, eight months off the internet. And I'm gonna try and take stock of what I want, want to do. But I'm gonna hold an event to say goodbye to the first iteration of.

• 24:39Billy Corgan?

  Ah, so we're supposed to be at a funeral.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Yes, almost like a, a goodbye to the first iteration of.

• 24:46Billy Corgan?

  Sure.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Whatever, whatever the hell this has been. And in my head, I was secretly hoping like, please let this gig give me an answer or a, a, a runway. I wanted to put everyone in one place so I could kind of almost take stock and be like, all right, where are we at right now? What is, what does this represent? And twenty seven thousand people turned up to a field. And it blew my mind because it was the first time I saw families, babies, mums, dads. Obviously fifteen thousand young kids going nuts at the front. But it was the first time that Youngblood almost became bigger than a nineteen year old kid from the north of England singing about politics.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Letting his mad ADHD brain be like, I'm gonna experiment here and I'm gonna do metal. I'm gonna do rap and I'm gonna do pop and I'm gonna do rock. It, it, and it was almost like a celebration of this kind of.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Personified confusion within music that we were thirty thousand of us were feeling.

• 25:49Billy Corgan?

  Okay.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, Youngblood is bigger than me now. It's this, it's this thing. So Dom can go and experiment with different music or really settle into rock and hard rock, because I think that's what I was setting out to do from the beginning anyway. I, in, in a much more purist way, because people have their own idea of what Youngblood is within themselves. You know what I'm saying? Like, some people are there because of the first album. Some people are there because of the third album. Some people are there because they just like what the community represents. Some people are there because they're obsessed with the music. Some people are there because their friends,

• 26:31Speaker 01

  their friendship group is within the community. And I think it kind of made me go like, I cannot control what people think about my art. I have to make an album for myself. And I have to make this next adventure about what, what do I want to leave behind? And I think that's a moment where this clicked and I've not, I've never known that until twenty seven. So it's very interesting to again be like, oh, I think this is the start of the rest of my life now. You know, I mean, I feel like I've really settled.

• 27:05Billy Corgan?

  First off, the piece of advice that Oz gave you is worth a billion dollars.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 27:13Billy Corgan?

  Because, and I've learned it, but he said it better than I could. It's the weirdest thing in the world because the minute you

• 27:25Billy Corgan?

  you get a record deal or somebody pays some attention to you, right? You know, because let's face it, there's a lot of people on this planet. The minute you break through into that other side, somebody starts telling you, har, you weren't that special. And they start saying, but if you want to be special, if we could take this that you do and we add this little thing and that's, that's now in the modern world in the twenty first century, pop music is the machinery by which someone like you is more able to work your way up, whatever that proverbial golden ladder is. But what Ozzy understands, what I understand, what Steven Tyler understands is

• 28:04Billy Corgan?

  At the end of the day, it's about you. And if you don't believe in you, it just becomes this like, it's like a weird, like it's you're, you're, you're a, you're a star in your own movie and you don't even want to be in the movie.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  100% that's a, that is a crazy quote because

• 28:23Speaker 01

  it's so bizarre looking back on it now because

• 28:27Speaker 01

  I remember when that album came out. I was in New York and it had gone number one in seven countries. And I, I, but I was like, I could have done better. Why did I listen to people? There's, there were good songs on it. But I was like, I was not happy and, and

• 28:47Speaker 01

  but now I look back on it and like, I do not regret it because it was the biggest smack in the face that I needed. It was like a, like a man.

• 28:56Billy Corgan?

  But see, you can only feel the sting of that if you're, if you're that high up that mountain.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:01Billy Corgan?

  And it's a lonely place. Cause everybody else is looking saying, well, I'd trade for that in a second. You're like, no, you don't understand. This isn't my top speed.

• 29:12Billy Corgan?

  You know? And the other thing I was going to say, and, and I hope you understand the, the, the beauty of this. I think when Ozzy and Sharon added you to that show, it wasn't just adding you to that show. The tickets were already sold.

• 29:28Billy Corgan?

  They brought you on to, to continue this beautiful thing that we've all built together. And what I've said to so many people, and I'm sure you've been asked a thousand times about that show too, because it was a magical three days.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  It was.

• 29:41Billy Corgan?

  It was unbelievable. I mean, we'll talk about that in a second, but

• 29:45Billy Corgan?

  the thing that was so beautiful about it is I said, where in the world can you see somebody in their twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties and seventies? And we're all pointed in the same direction.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Completely.

• 29:59Billy Corgan?

  It was the biggest cue to the pop world and we weren't even trying, trying to do it.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  100%. It was, it was mind blowing when we were all there, when everyone was taking the photographs and I'm like, I'm kind of there and you're there and James Hetfield's there. And Ozzy's there and Giza Butler's over there and Chad Smith's over there. And I'm like, what kind of simulation is this? But it was the most humble, respectful, um, positive backstage I had ever been amongst. It was wild because it was the rock scene. And I think what was so wild is that concert, single-handedly has ignited another spark

• 30:49Speaker 01

  within the monster of our genre. Because again, generationally, we all have something in common. Yes, it gets a little bit softer as the younger we get because the new generation is more emotional and it's more open and it's a little bit less kind of, but everyone is there for a common reason. And it was like, I felt so honoured because I remember getting the call and I thought, oh, they're gonna ask me to do the wizard or they're gonna ask me to do like, like nib and like just go like use my pure unfiltered energy. And Sharon goes, we want you to do changes. My first thought, I'm like, oh, a piano, me, fifty thousand people and.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Birmingham too, by the way, not London, Birmingham. Yeah, Birmingham, you know, I'm like real, real people and a live stream at home, nowhere to hide. And I, I, I was like, okay, wow. And I, and I, I am, I think it was one of the craziest experiences in my life because when you are there amongst your idols, all of you were there backstage and you're kind of the young book. And then obviously the show was loud and it was heavy and it was energetic. But then I had to go on stage and there is nothing but me and Adam Wakeman's piano

• 32:14Speaker 01

  and Ozzy's entire legacy pinned in front of all of us. I think it was, it was, it was the most, uh, scene I've ever felt by the universe ever. But I think the way I kept it under control was, the biggest thing I learned was that I nev-, I think when you walk on stage, did you know this, like when there's twenty thousand people out there, you're trying to take it in, but when you can. Take that torch and turn it into a laser beam and sing it to one person. Whether that person be yourself or that person be a lover, whether that person be a friend or a brother or a mother or whatever. And I sung it to Oz and I just was like, thank you, man.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  And I feel like I've never been that locked into a performance ever. Or like that, I've never felt that in space or on the moon or whatever. You know, when we talk about when you're a kid, like you fly, I was flying, you know what I mean? And I remember at the end of it, when I was like getting the crowd to sing at the end, I didn't have that planned. It was in the last chorus. I was like, I want him to hear them backstage. And I want him to know that when he walks out, this roof is gonna erupt.

• 33:30Billy Corgan?

  Yeah.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  I think when you can be on stage and you can almost alleviate your own ego and sing to not just the man that's Ozzy, but the, the energy force that has been curated for all of us there. It was the most mind blowing. It was the most mind blowing kind of lesson ever.

• 33:51Billy Corgan?

  See what's so beautiful about rock music and that pop can never figure out, no matter how much they game theory that shit out, right? Black Sabbath is the band that should not be.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Completely.

• 34:05Billy Corgan?

  And yet here we are, what, almost 60 years later in a, in a, in a stadium. And there they are, right?

• 34:15Speaker 01

  And the songs just still hit right there.

• 34:19Billy Corgan?

  What, what they have, one hit song?

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 34:22Billy Corgan?

  Basically Paranoid, I think, was the only hit song Sabbath ever had.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah, when you think about it, yeah, when like the charting song.

• 34:29Billy Corgan?

  Yeah, that's, that's what I'm saying is pop can't understand the power of rock when it's, when it's organic. You know?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Cause it's a movement, it's an idea, it's a, it's a, an encapsulation of the, the imagination of, of the left turn, of the unknown, of the alternative, of the alternative mindset. Instead of it being, I mean, like, when you listen to like fairies wear boots and all those time changes and those.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Just like, what, like, what, like, it's just insane.

• 35:06Billy Corgan?

  They were smoking a lot of pot too.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, yeah, hundred percent. But like to be there amongst it, and it's so amazing to hear, like, you say that as well, like, it, it just felt like this.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  This, uh, like, I don't know, this coming together of five armies, you know what I mean, to like, take on the world.

• 35:29Billy Corgan?

  To me, it's the tribes, you know what I mean?

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, really, yes.

• 35:32Billy Corgan?

  You got the Slayer tribe, you got the Tool tribe, you got the, you know what I mean?

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Pumpkin's tribe, you got the Aerosmith tribe, you got the Youngblood tribe, you got Metallica tribe, it's just like, boom.

• 35:41Billy Corgan?

  Yeah, tribes, yeah.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  And it was the biggest thing in the world. It's so funny, even like the VMAs the other night. But the VMAs to obviously honor him. And I think we were probably one of the only acts singing live there. You could tell, you know what I mean, amongst all the bubble gum and amongst all the, the, uh, the award show pizzazz, to have us just play live and it be the most viewed video on the internet. The day afterwards, you can feel rock music is all about truth and all about passion and all about humanity.

• 36:17Billy Corgan?

  Well, it's life, life.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is life, and it, and it pulls you right back down to earth, cause you, you're right, pop music is the elevation, caricatured version of a heightened version of life that people can tap in it for two minutes to distract themselves. Where rock is about being in the mud and being, uh, uh, the beauty within the dirt and the, seeing your breath in the cold.

• 36:40Billy Corgan?

  Yeah, and there's, and there's plenty of room for both, but when the music business gets too tipped one direction. Now you see, now the kids are coming, they're not, they don't want, they don't want, they want real and real, real, real, right now.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  One hundred percent, and you can feel it.

• 36:54Billy Corgan?

  Cause I've been watching some of the clips from your tour and it is very real.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. Wild. It's just like we've, we've never, we've never had this uh ferocity before. It's like, it's just,

• 37:13Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's just, I, I, the way I can say it's just life. It's life in every, it's anger, it's sex, it's

• 37:22Speaker 01

  happiness, sadness, everything in this, these like three thousand cap theaters that's just like about to blow the lid off. And it's like two thousand people on the waitlist and five hundred kids outside who can't get in, but we're all a part of something. And it's just like, I don't know, man. It's, it's amazing to, again, to feel rock music come back because it's spherical. If you look at like punk, you've got Ammon the sniffers. If you look at hardcore, you've got Turnstile and Not Loose. And indie, you've got uh like Fontaine's DC and like rock, like Me in the Middle and then everyone else, like the, the resurgence of albums, iconic rock albums coming to the forefront of TikTok again. It's like,

• 38:06Speaker 01

  I don't know, man. And I think even country music, rock always follows country because country is rooted in the songwriting. And then rock music is the songwriting with heavier distortions and sex appeal and like insane lyrics, you know what I mean? It's just like, I think country always opens the door to uh more emotional.

• 38:28Billy Corgan?

  Country is, country is rock before rock. I mean, that's

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:32Billy Corgan?

  It's just rock without the riff, that's all.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Completely.

• 38:35Billy Corgan?

  Jimmy Page understood that better than anybody. That's why there's so much country influence in Zeppelin.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Completely. And it, and it's, it's, it's cool, man. It's, it's so weird because you always dream of a moment like this. And when it comes, you're just like, holy wow, this is, because you're almost like not doing anything differently. You've kind of been more yourself than ever. And then the world kind of goes, oh, all right, cool. This is, this, this seems legit.

• 39:03Billy Corgan?

  Yeah. So uh let me ask you this, and this is my own theory, but uh I had to figure out because saying you're crossing over is, is accurate, but it doesn't describe it. Okay. So I had to come up with my own term, which is like, you're crossing over in reverse. And what I mean by that is crossing over pop to rock is very, very, very rare. Very rare.

• 39:30Billy Corgan?

  So off the top of your head, name the people who crossed over pop to rock.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Wow. Oh, my God. I mean.

• 39:37Billy Corgan?

  There's only one I can think of off the top of my head, but I'll leave it to you.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  I would, I would say.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  I would say the, the, the poppiest rock crossover would be a band like The Cure for me.

• 39:55Billy Corgan?

  Okay.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  I think Happy Sad.

• 39:58Billy Corgan?

  Okay.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  Because Robert Smith is a rock star.

• 40:00Billy Corgan?

  But he wasn't pop first, though. That's the thing.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  No, he wasn't. You're right. You, I, I literally can't think. You tell me. Go on.

• 40:07Billy Corgan?

  Okay. This is the person I most compare you to. So if you indulge me to explain why. And I would tell you this in private. So this is, this is the same conversation we would have if we were just.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  A little bit. I'm excited.

• 40:18Billy Corgan?

  Hanging out the bar. Okay. Elton John.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 40:23Billy Corgan?

  Elton John. And what I've been saying for three years is this kid, you, is Elton John. And what I mean by that is. You can sing pop, you can sing a ballad, and that crowd will go with you. So you could do a Tiny Dancer type song, and it would feel great and credible. But you can also sing rock.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:45Billy Corgan?

  And Elton John's one of the only people ever. Who was pop-ish first, ballady piano, who crossed over rock. And that's what I keep telling people and why I've been telling people for three years, don't sleep on this kid. Because he can sing both. And the Ozzy concert showed, let's call it rock world in general. That this guy, his heart's in the right place, but he can sing rock.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, that's cra- I think that's blown my mind. He's so right. His troupe had all days. He was, he was, he was a pop star, and then he just merged into.

• 41:21Billy Corgan?

  Yeah, it was this kind of piano man stuff, and that was of the time. But when he went rock is when he really exploded, you see.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow.

• 41:29Billy Corgan?

  He started doing Benny and the Jets and Philadelphia Freedom and, uh, Saturday Night's Alright for Fightin'. That shows you why Elton John's.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow.

• 41:37Billy Corgan?

  But that shows you why Elton John hit that other level and why he was a stadium act. And not just a big pop act, which is why Elton is such a rare talent.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yes, because it goes, it goes to a deeper level. And I think that's what's kind of beautiful again now, like as I am. I'm gonna put out a project in the next couple of weeks with some more heroes of mine. But then in November, I've I've told everyone to clear it because I think more than ever, I'm so inspired to to write. I think for someone like me, when you look at it, I'm a kid from a guitar shop who's education was T Rex, Bowie, Tex Pistols, Exploited, The Clash. Moving into kind of me finding N W A and shoegaze like like bands like you and and Public Enemy and everything myself, who dreamt about it.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  And then in the guitar shop is almost like the kind of graveyard of rock stars who tried. And to kind of end up here, I feel like I'm seven again in my dad's shop.

• 42:44Billy Corgan?

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  It's weird. It's it's like so exciting to me, like going to guitar shows with my dad. I feel like, oh, I don't know, I feel so lucky to have been. I don't know, the world to to see me in this light, in this moment, because it's truly in my blood.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  You know?

• 43:06Billy Corgan?

  Yeah. And and the thing is, is what's funny, and you know, because you know, the pop game. They're all gonna start trying to figure out how to do what you're doing. And they're not gonna be able to because they don't have the love for it.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Or yeah, they don't have the love for it or the knowledge of it or the understanding of it. I think like with it all, again, it comes from the street.

• 43:25Billy Corgan?

  Okay, let me stop you. Let me stop you. See, this is the beauty of Ozzy and Sharon. Okay. And this is that crazy partnership that they have and had.

• 43:37Billy Corgan?

  In their wisdom, they decided to include you in that fraternity.

• 43:43Billy Corgan?

  Almost in anticipation of where this was gonna go.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:48Billy Corgan?

  And that's the beauty of it, right?

• 43:50Speaker 01

  It is the beauty of it. And it's like, again, it was such a gift to me because.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  To be seen by the world within the genre that I love and that I ultimately wanna do. But I've almost been fighting against the streamers and the label and the da-da-da. It's like, yeah, no one wants to do that. But to be given Ozzy, Ozzy to be able to get, and Sharon to be able to give me a platform to be able to be like, let's carry this on together, let's all carry this on together. Was a moment where everyone else at the, now that other parties are getting involved being like, oh, how do we do that again for these XYZ artists? It's hilarious. It's like, it's like, guys, what the fuck, man? I've been, I've been wanting to do this for years, but everyone's been telling me to twist it.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Or let's get a rapper on a song to make sure that the mainstream or blah, all this bull. Instead of being like, let's just lock in and make, make great music, you know what I mean? It's so interesting. It's like, but now it's, it's, it's amazing. Everyone's like, yeah, man, do, do, do what you want. I'm like, oh, great. So now I get to go for six weeks in November and make a project that I want, which I'm really excited about.

• 45:08Billy Corgan?

  Is the idea, cause I, I saw somewhere and you tell me is, so the, you presented idols as kind of a part one conceptual work. Is this a continuance of that or is this gonna be something different?

• 45:18Speaker 01

  What's been mental is I think part two is ready to go, which is a continuation of idols. But I think I've got some heavy, my, my energy is, is really inspired at the minute. And I, I think I've got, I've got a project, five song project coming out with Aerosmith.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Which is wild because me and me, Stephen and Joe got together before the Ozzy thing was even about. I think we were just gonna write together for fun because I think like when your heroes are like, yo, do you wanna get in the studio? I'm just like, yeah, what? So we were writing.

• 45:52Billy Corgan?

  Especially those two.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially those two. And we hear, we heard our voices together. And Steven was like, oh my god, you can get up to the places where I can go. That's crazy. And there was almost this friendly competition between me and one of my all time vocal heroes that I've sat in my room and studied. And we sound good together on tape that we made, ended up making five songs together. That's coming out.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  In no, like in November. And then I think, I'm again, like, I'm just so inspired right now. I think, I, I, I think I want to put out another album in February that I'm yet to write. And then Idols Part Two will come out when it's ready too. So I just think like, this ferocity of a moment that you're talking about where you get, songs present themselves to you. Cause you know what it's like when you sit there and you go, okay.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Like, I, I don't know, I won't speak for you, but when you write, when, when I hear a masterpiece like Mayonnaise, I'm like, that was the universe's gift to Billy. Like, that just came out of the sky through your body. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't, you know what I mean? I think like, you hit a moment and you hit a piece of, like, the energy comes through you.

• 47:07Billy Corgan?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  That, that you can't, you can't plan for.

• 47:10Billy Corgan?

  Yeah, when we.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna write this absolute world.

• 47:14Billy Corgan?

  But let me, let me tell you real quick about that song. So that, that song, we were, we were in Japan. And James Yehaw came into my room and said, I got this idea for a song. Can I play you? He had like a tape Walkman. That's how long ago, nineteen ninety-two. And he played me the song, he had the, you know, the basic chords and he played me the song in the Walkman and I immediately heard the melody.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 47:39Billy Corgan?

  I heard it immediately.

• 47:42Billy Corgan?

  And I had no way to record the melody and I just remembered it. I heard the song one time. So months later, we're in, back in the US and we're working on the song. I'm living in a parking garage. No joke. So when we wrote that song, it was like literally like I'm living like a piece of shit. You know what I mean? I don't know if I'm going to be able to write this album that became Side Ministry. So, so that, that, that song is a circumstance of this weird stuff that just kind of happened. And that's why I would encourage you, sorry to make it about you again, is when you, when you have that instinct, I need to get back in the studio, you need to listen to that because the moment that you're in is so rare. It probably, I know you know it's rare, but you don't realize how rare it is.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  No, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's wild because it's all a, I don't know. It's like a sponge, isn't it? You take the energy that whatever the hell's going on and then you try and make sense of it through music. And I think those times in your life don't come around.

• 48:42Billy Corgan?

  That's, that's.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  They come around.

• 48:43Billy Corgan?

  That's exactly what I, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like, you want to get that on paper or a piece of tape as we used to say, although it's digital.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 48:53Billy Corgan?

  Okay, so, uh, last thing, because like I said, I, I, when we really sit down, I really want to sit down and have a, a deeper conversation about how you got to be this, this insanity, uh, moving comic that you are right now. Um, how are you doing with the, the pressure of the moment? And I'm not saying you're handling it well, you're not handling it well. But now you're hitting that other level of pressure.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think it's so funny you said that because yesterday was the first time I went, whoa.

• 49:25Billy Corgan?

  I'm laughing because I know the feeling.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm like, I, it was so funny. I, my, my, my, one of my best friends and photographer takes all my pictures. Tommy sat within the room with me because we're obviously filming this remotely right now. But I kind of went up to him yesterday and was like, whoa. Like we have never, I think after the VMAs and the kind of the, the veracity of that.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  I was like, I've really got to kill this.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Um, but I think, I think the Aerosmith records are so great that I think I feel good about that because I'd already written them with them. You know what I mean? So like they're, they're ready to kind of come out and take this wave. And it's rock, man. It's real fucking rock, like guitars right up, light drums. In solos in every song, wailing, screaming, me and Steven Tyler just competing with each other in the most beautiful way.

• 50:24Billy Corgan?

  I love it.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Like my, honestly, like to form a relationship with him. Um, arguably, probably one of the greatest vocalists of all time and to kind of pick his brain and to like just meet someone who's just crazy, energetic, wild.

• 50:42Billy Corgan?

  As, as, as an artist, a real visionary, because he, he's really one of the only people, maybe outside of ZZ Top, that figured out how to make blues pop.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, man. And, and, and to, and to make all those bluesy runs just sound cool as, you know, I mean, like the wrong singer doing those bluesy runs over the top of these songs, you're like, oh, shut up. But he is just, he's just got it. And, and, and it, and it's like to, to be able to, again, it's so weird, like to make an album called Idols was like an eight month manifestation to be like being the, the fraternity, as you said, of, of kind of around the Black Sabbath show, to be talking to you and becoming friends with you, to be making records with Aerosmith. It's like, I don't know what the heck I wish for, but that album was like rubbing a magic lamp on it, you know what I mean?

• 51:35Billy Corgan?

  Yeah. So, okay, last thing.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Come on then.

• 51:41Billy Corgan?

  Twenty years from now, how does this go?

• 51:45Speaker 01

  In my imagination, I keep writing as much music as I, as I can this moment, guess. Goes absolutely bananas and I would love to be able to play stadium rock all over the world. Because I think that's where I come alive as a frontman. I think I enjoy playing to big crowds like that because it's where

• 52:12Speaker 01

  everything makes sense. I love the energy of.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Fifty thousand people coming together as one and screaming and just that pulsating thing even between the songs when it's like

• 52:31Billy Corgan?

  It's a nice sound.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  It's just the craziest thing in the world like that would be the dream. And again, to to carry on. A new energy of the genre that I love and that I've known for my whole life since been six hours old on me guitar's counter with the Beatles ukulele across me neck, you know what I mean? It's like. It was, it was always what I knew. I think, I think, um. I think it was so interesting when across my life, I never want people, I never want people to think that I had music handed to me because I grew up in a guitar shop. It was almost like the opposite. Everyone was like, don't do that. You'll end up working here. You know what I mean? Um. Uh.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  So I almost like hid that away, but my, my upbringing was pretty rock and roll, man. You know, I mean, I, I got to, I got to be around guitars all day. My, my, my, my weekends were full of like polishing and dust off. Three thirty from nineteen sixty. Or, you know, I mean, it was like epic, you know, and tuning guitars and I think, I think to be able to be here in this moment and to, to, to be able to be with, with, with heroes around me in a, in a genre that I love, I'm just going to give him my best shot, you know?

• 53:50Billy Corgan?

  Okay. So my 20 year prediction.

• 53:55Billy Corgan?

  It's easy to say Elton John because we can understand what that means. You know, we've all seen the shot of Elton at Dodger Stadium wearing the Dodgers rhinestone suit. He's on the piano with the baseball bat, right? Just remember, and I, I'll tell you this publicly and I'll tell you this privately. It's only going to work if it's your music.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:17Billy Corgan?

  It's gotta be you and your music and your voice and your heart. It will only work and don't let anyone tell you differently.

• 54:27Billy Corgan?

  If you get there, it'll be because then this is my prediction. You will be in that stadium 20 years from now and they will be singing along to the hits that you're, you haven't written yet and the classics you haven't written yet. But it's only gonna happen if it's your music, your music. They want your music. They don't want my music through you. I'd love to write a song and we've talked about that, but I'm saying it's gotta be you. Because everybody you name check, it was their song.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  I categorically agree. I, I literally was having that conversation yesterday because I think I'm getting a lot of great opportunities to, to work with people, but I, I, I agree. I was like, I have to go with the producer that I did my last album with because he makes me feel alive and he makes me feel limitless. And obviously I can bring other people work in and work with amazing collaborators.

• 55:20Billy Corgan?

  Yeah, like there's no, there's no Elton without Bernie Toppin, we know that.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  No, completely, completely.

• 55:25Billy Corgan?

  But you don't feel he's singing somebody else's song?

• 55:28Speaker 01

  No, you're so right. I agree, I agree. And, and I feel more excited than ever to, to explore that and and it's crazy that you said that because, I don't know, man, we're intertwined in some way. You're almost like in the back of my mind. It's crazy cause I'm like, now it's like, I've got this amazing project coming out with, with these icons and that I love and that I, I had a massive hand in writing. But now it's time to go and, and carry on this idea of idols that I sat in a room and was like, every chord, every lyric, everything was coming out of my head and was being led by me. You know, so it's gonna be insane.

• 56:07Billy Corgan?

  All right, 20 years from now, we'll pull the tape out. Of course, we'll both be poor and crying.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally, literally like busking in a fucking, busking in the subway. Like, come on, Billy, you still got it, man.

• 56:19Billy Corgan?

  So 20 years, I'll be 78 and you'll be, how, how will you be like?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  I will be, I will be 48.

• 56:25Billy Corgan?

  Okay, so you'll be 48 and I'll be 78. We'll be busking on the corner somewhere.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  I hope so, man, I'll hold you to that.

• 56:32Billy Corgan?

  All right, God bless you, Dom, see you soon.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Thank you, Billy, man. Thank you so much for having me, man. I really love that, it's an honor. Thank you.

• 56:38Billy Corgan?

  Cool, thanks.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Love, guys.