Giggling about maternity leave, method acting, and brain farts

Hannah is starting an anti-smoking campaign and Paige is in her motherhood era. watch our youtube series order our book sign up for our newsletter Audio excerpt courtesy of Simon & Schuster Audio from HOW TO GIGGLE by Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo, read by the authors. Copyright © 2025 by Giggly Squad LLC. Used with permission of Simon & Schuster, Inc.

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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

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• 2:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, Gigglers?

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Gary, fix the Wi-Fi. Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

• 2:15Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 2:19Hannah Berner?

  Okay, I have to make an apology. And I literally was saying, what's up, my Met gigglers? Obviously, it's the Giggly Gala. Instead of Met gigglers, I should've said...

• 2:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry.

• 2:34Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, there was no context.

• 2:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I just...

• 2:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I just got so scared. When was the Met?

• 2:45Hannah Berner?

  I think it was last week.

• 2:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Have we not recorded since?

• 2:48Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 2:48Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 2:49Hannah Berner?

  The last time we spoke to the gigglers was the morning of the Met. But like, it's been so long that the Met's not even in the news cycle anymore. Feels like it was last year.

• 2:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I was just gonna say, isn't our culture crazy? Like, that's... I'm like, that was two years ago.

• 3:05Hannah Berner?

  And that's why, when you're ever down, remember that nothing matters and no one will remember, including yourself.

• 3:11Paige DeSorbo?

  No one cares.

• 3:13Hannah Berner?

  No one cares.

• 3:14Paige DeSorbo?

  No one cares. Okay, wait, actually, do you have one thing to say about the Met Gala?

• 3:21Hannah Berner?

  But I do actually have a strong opinion about one thing.

• 3:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Let's circle back for like, two seconds on it.

• 3:26Hannah Berner?

  What is your gripe?

• 3:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Not a gripe. I...

• 3:30Hannah Berner?

  Oh, that's a first.

• 3:31Paige DeSorbo?

  This is so embarrassing to admit. The morning after the Met Gala, I'm in glam for something. I can't even... It's literally was last year. How can I remember? And I'm talking to Mitchell and Taylor, and we're talking about like, who we liked, who we didn't like. And I said, "Did you guys see Katy Perry?" And they're like, "Oh my God, we didn't see Katy Perry." And I'm like, "You have to see Katy Perry."

• 3:57Paige DeSorbo?

  So I showed them the picture, and they're like, "A fabulous, stunning, I can't believe I didn't see it." And I was like, "The coverage was weird this year." Like, it just randomly, like, shut off. We're having a whole conversation.

• 4:08Paige DeSorbo?

  About five hours later, I'm back home from my apartment. Literally, God knows what I was doing. I can't for the life of me think of what it was, but whatever. It was an AI photo of Katy Perry that I complete, that like the internet fell for. It's like the second year in a row, except best dressed.

• 4:30Hannah Berner?

  Best dressed. Wait, Katy Perry keeps having moments that could get her out of a rut? Like this AI going viral. Also, in the future, celebrities, we have to go to the red carpet. Save all the glam and styling and just get an AI to do it.

• 4:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, it was actually scary. I was like, okay, so we can really actually just do everything from our home. Like, no one has to go anywhere. This is the best dress. This was the best dress I saw all night. It wasn't even real.

• 4:57Hannah Berner?

  Well, Katy Perry, also her song, "You're like an Indian summer in the middle of winter." That's trending on TikTok, but she's mad. She thinks people are making fun of her, but we're not.

• 5:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I haven't listened to a Katy Perry song in like years.

• 5:15Hannah Berner?

  Everyone just has to know, if you're not watching this on YouTube, Paige just pulled out a face roller out of nowhere. Like the biggest face roller you've ever seen casually just pulled it out of who knows where and is rolling her face. See, when I talk, Paige just skincare.

• 5:35Paige DeSorbo?

  You take years off my life and I literally am trying to reverse it at any chance I can get. Here's the thing, I love when we record in person. I love the clips. The energy is different. The pod is different. There are times where we have to record virtually, which is crazy because this is all we used to do, which is so, dare I say lazy.

• 5:54Hannah Berner?

  Well, my mom said she actually likes when we record on Zoom because it reminds her of Instagram Live days, which is so nostalgic and beautiful.

• 6:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's another reason why I like recording virtually, where the Katy Perry of.

• 6:10Hannah Berner?

  Can we AI us in the studio?

• 6:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I have all my things at home. We need, here's what we need to get a handle on and we're gonna do it.

• 6:19Hannah Berner?

  We are.

• 6:22Paige DeSorbo?

  We're gonna get a handle on it this summer.

• 6:26Hannah Berner?

  By the way, if you don't know this, Paige has the biggest apartment in America. Um, somehow I convinced her to record the pod at my apartment.

• 6:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 6:35Hannah Berner?

  And I don't know how that happened, but I slid through, but we are going-

• 6:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I like don't mind it though.

• 6:41Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, cuz it's like going to Europe. You come downtown.

• 6:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, it's honestly, I have to get out, you know, I have to get out of the house. Um, we're gonna figure out like our recording situation and the vibe and the aesthetic and all of that, but I like recording virtually. Because I have all my things here. Like I made my coffee. I have my Stanley. I have an ice roller. Like I, I put some road barrier cream on prior to this, you know?

• 7:08Hannah Berner?

  You could put that in your rider when you come over. We could get Chris to do it. Chris needs to work more.

• 7:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna stock your refrigerator with my stuff, I think. I'll just do an Instacart order. Okay, but actually, let me-

• 7:22Paige DeSorbo?

  So we don't need to get into these logistics. We're recording.

• 7:25Hannah Berner?

  The housekeeping is unnecessary.

• 7:27Paige DeSorbo?

  It's unnecessary.

• 7:28Hannah Berner?

  The admin is too much for all the gigglers.

• 7:30Paige DeSorbo?

  It's too much.

• 7:31Hannah Berner?

  On a Monday?

• 7:31Paige DeSorbo?

  We're recording virtually because I-

• 7:40Hannah Berner?

  Well, that wasn't even funny.

• 7:44Hannah Berner?

  Can, wait, again, can you tell them about what's going on?

• 7:50Paige DeSorbo?

  With what?

• 7:51Hannah Berner?

  Of my eggs? Yeah.

• 7:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, that's why we're recording virtually cuz I just like I couldn't, I couldn't think about putting pants on.

• 7:59Hannah Berner?

  We had it fully set up though. 6pm, you were coming to record, Chris was all set up, then you text me, "I don't feel well." So when I say something to you, that's illegal, right? Cuz it's a woman who's-

• 8:15Hannah Berner?

  And her eggs. So it's considered.

• 8:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Like if you're like, no, you have to show up. It's like, okay, wow. So we don't give paid maternity leave.

• 8:25Hannah Berner?

  It's maternity abuse.

• 8:27Paige DeSorbo?

  We're literally.

• 8:29Hannah Berner?

  Paige has been going around acting like she's pregnant and

• 8:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Not acting like that.

• 8:34Hannah Berner?

  fully cosplaying a pregnant woman. She's sending me photos going, how cute do I look? Cause she's slightly bloated after getting her eggs removed. When I say slightly bloated, I mean, she looks like me after a first bite of a chicken sandwich.

• 8:50Paige DeSorbo?

  I literally knew you were gonna say that. I knew you were gonna text me back and be like, okay, cool. Me when I wake up. Like, what are you talking about? I'm so pregnant. I'm so bloated. It's so cosmic energy that I froze my eggs on Mother's Day weekend. I was like, I'm, I felt maternal.

• 9:09Hannah Berner?

  That is adorable.

• 9:09Paige DeSorbo?

  You wanna know why I felt maternal? And this is how I knew. Walking down the streets of New York City, I was like, if anyone steps to me right now with my eggs just brewing, ready to be taken out, I'll fucking cut someone.

• 9:25Hannah Berner?

  You go, I am a mother. You're going on the subway and just being like, excuse me, can I sit? I'm pregnant.

• 9:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, literally no chivalry. Okay, let me just talk about my egg freezing journey for a quick second because I did my retrieval this past weekend. I go, I went to, first, let me say the company name, which I feel like I haven't even said, which I'm so stupid. It's called Extend Fertility. It's on 57th Street if you live in New York City. My doctor's name was Dr. Klein. He was amazing. He literally, I felt smarter after being like around him. He just, every time he said, good question to me, I was like, no, I'm a good student. Okay, so on Wednesday, oh, we also have to talk about meeting Anna Wintor.

• 10:11Hannah Berner?

  Oh, my God.

• 10:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally, that was a year ago.

• 10:14Hannah Berner?

  I was getting your eggs out of the way. You're a mother.

• 10:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Let's get my eggs out of the way. I did my trigger shot Wednesday night. I went in for my egg retrieval on Friday morning. It's literally like 20 minutes, which is just so crazy.

• 10:28Hannah Berner?

  Did you have any anxiety? Cause you know like doctors induce anxiety. Like you're like, okay, and like poke in and prodding.

• 10:36Paige DeSorbo?

  And you get put under. And so everyone was like, oh my god, I'm so nervous to get put under. I don't know why. Talk about being delulu. I literally didn't think about it for a second. They're like, it feels like you had a two hour nap. I'm like, yeah, shoot me up. What are we waiting for? Let's go. I couldn't have been less nervous for that part. I was like, this is my favorite hobby.

• 10:57Hannah Berner?

  Cause we just dropped the newest episode of Hannah Page Try New Things. And we're starting aggressive with this, cause it's your Denver episode.

• 11:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 11:06Hannah Berner?

  It's literally you and me trying to distract you all day from the inevitable. The universe, you were gonna have a panty attack? And the universe was gonna make sure it happened, no matter what you did, no matter how much IVs or pet therapy we did. Um, and it shows, cameras go down and then it shows us the morning after. But cameras went the fuck down. But um, it's crazy seeing you in that headspace and then talking to you now. Like, who is that girl?

• 11:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I wasn't nervous at all. Um, I don't know if it's a combination of like, you're not in a hospital doing a procedure. Like you're, you're in a doctor's office, but it's like, you know, whatever. So I, my mom came down with me. They retrieved a total of 28 eggs. And then they call you like the next morning to see how many matured. So they took out 28. I only had 13 survive. So I have 13 frozen right now. They like don't mature. They're like.

• 12:13Hannah Berner?

  No, thank you. Wait, so.

• 12:15Paige DeSorbo?

  It's sad, actually.

• 12:16Hannah Berner?

  Not to like, just to understand relatively, is that like a good amount of eggs?

• 12:21Paige DeSorbo?

  That's a really good amount of eggs. I, now I could choose to do another round if I want to. Or I could like stick with that number. I haven't like fully decided. If I do another round, I would do it in the fall. I need to like give my body a break.

• 12:40Hannah Berner?

  She's like, if I'm gonna have a football team, I need more eggs.

• 12:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, like I, obviously, I'm like asking ChatGPT everything. I'm like, okay, it's thirteen eggs, like, is that? And they're like, you know, you could get one child from that. You could possibly get, it's just like all the things. But the place I'm doing it at truly like answers every single question. I have my follow-up appointment this week to like ask all those questions. But I'm very proud of myself for like doing the whole process. The one thing I'll say about it, it's harder than you think it's gonna be, and it's also way easier than you think it's gonna be.

• 13:15Hannah Berner?

  That's what they say about motherhood in general.

• 13:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like every, I underestimated how good I was gonna be at the shots, like the, I was most nervous for doing the shots to myself, and that was like kind of a breeze. What I underestimated was after the egg retrieval, like I've been bloated now for like, I'm on my fourth day, my boobs are killing me. And then I like remind myself, I'm like, okay, my body went through like a trauma. Like experience, I have to give myself some grace and just like rest and chill. It feel, after you get it done, it feels like you just have your period. Like you have like cramping, like you have your period. When you walk, you're just like very aware of your ovaries, almost.

• 14:00Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god.

• 14:02Paige DeSorbo?

  I can't explain it. It's just like, you know, when you're like, your period's like about to drop and you're just like, oh yeah, I can like feel it. That's how it feels, like recovering.

• 14:12Hannah Berner?

  A really long callback, the OG gigglers would get it. How are your hormones?

• 14:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so obviously last week, I'm like flying high. I'm glowing. I'm like, I love, being a woman is so empowering and.

• 14:28Hannah Berner?

  She was in the best mood. She was telling everyone, like, maybe I was lacking estrogen and now I'm at the perfect level.

• 14:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I, I real, I still believe that. I think I'm low on estrogen at base level. This week, okay, on the fourth day, which is tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, tomorrow will be my fourth day post-surgery. Is now when my hormones are about to drastically drop.

• 14:52Hannah Berner?

  Oh no.

• 14:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Because now I have it, I'm, now it's a full week where I like haven't been giving myself shots, so.

• 14:59Hannah Berner?

  You're gonna like punch a wall or something?

• 15:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Definitely like a little bit emotional for me.

• 15:06Paige DeSorbo?

  So like, okay, here's an example. Last night I was on TikTok and I'm just like scrolling and I kept getting people's weddings. That like a parent died or like a grandparent died and like how they like, how they like incorporate them into their wedding.

• 15:21Hannah Berner?

  No. No, how did you get on that?

• 15:24Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm like, wait, why am I crying about Hannah's dead grandpa?

• 15:30Hannah Berner?

  Wait, my grandpa came through.

• 15:34Hannah Berner?

  Also, if anyone's heard from what the psychic said is that like, motherhood is a big thing for you. So there's a lot of, a lot of feelings.

• 15:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I felt very like serendipitous that I did it over Mother's Day weekend. I feel. I just feel like less, I truly do feel like less pressure. It's like, okay, and even if I only have one child. That is like what is meant for the world, you know?

• 16:02Hannah Berner?

  Two, two follow-up questions and not to get in the weeds, but because you, you have PCOS. Were you more worried?

• 16:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, I don't even know if I do.

• 16:11Hannah Berner?

  Oh wait, did I make that up?

• 16:13Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 16:13Hannah Berner?

  I've been literally telling everyone. I like lose like Paige's PCOS. You're the spokesperson of PCOS now.

• 16:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally. I did have one doctor tell me I have it, then I've had another doctor tell me I don't, which if I've learned anything about it from talking to the other girls. It is like extremely hard to diagnose and the same thing happens to them. I really don't think I have it. Um, because I feel like they would have seen in all these ultrasounds, like if I had any cysts.

• 16:42Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And my levels, oh, here was the other thing, because remember I was like supposed to have to, I was gonna have to go on birth control like prior to doing the shots?

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 16:52Paige DeSorbo?

  They tested my blood and whatever and they said my levels were normal as if I had had a period. So I could just start with the shots. So I never had to do the birth control, which is weird too. So I'm like, okay, so then why didn't I bleed?

• 17:07Hannah Berner?

  Maybe you've conned the system.

• 17:10Paige DeSorbo?

  The female body.

• 17:11Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 17:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Incredible.

• 17:13Hannah Berner?

  Incredible, and it's so incredible that male doctors were like, we're just not gonna figure it out.

• 17:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's another thing I've learned. It's a lot more emotional than I thought. Like, once I had the retrieval, like, it did kind of hit me where I was like, oh my god, I'm making decisions for my life in ten years. A man could never. A man could literally never. Then after, as I'm in like recovery, like, I would say peak kind of like hurting and bloat was like two days. I think like my boobs being sensitive is like peak right now. I cannot, to all of the women who have had one child, two children, three, five, I, I, I don't know how they're doing it. I don't know how their bodies are recovering.

• 17:59Paige DeSorbo?

  The women that have to do multiple rounds of IVF, because essentially I've did, did like the first part of it, like they have to get the eggs out and then like do the embryos, get it put back inside of them, like that's a whole different process.

• 18:14Paige DeSorbo?

  The women that you hear there where they're like, we did four rounds, how? How did their body? I don't know how the female body does it. And everything you feel like is just so tender and you're like, I grow human life. Like, the fact that women aren't these, like, seen as these goddesses in society, I don't get it. Our bodies are capable of alien behavior.

• 18:43Hannah Berner?

  This is a, a matriarchy.

• 18:46Paige DeSorbo?

  It, it's crazy.

• 18:47Hannah Berner?

  And after all that.

• 18:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry that I have a mason jar with my cold brew. This is so millennial. I look so millennial right now.

• 18:56Hannah Berner?

  You're so millennial Pinterest barn marriage right now.

• 18:59Paige DeSorbo?

  The picture behind me, millennial.

• 19:01Hannah Berner?

  And then you have a headband on, is that millennial?

• 19:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god. I mean, probably at this point.

• 19:05Hannah Berner?

  Probably at this point. We can't help it, even though I identify as Gen Z. Um, no, I'm so, so proud of you.

• 19:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Thank you.

• 19:14Hannah Berner?

  It is just like crazy. We're kind of growing up.

• 19:18Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's crazy. And here's the other thing. I, the typical round for shots is like anywhere from 10 to 14. I only did seven days of shots because my body was just like moving faster than average. I'm like literally in no other situation in my life. I'm like, well, this is definitely a verse. I'm not sure. So that's the only reason that I'm like, if I decide to do another round in the fall, it really was just like a week out of my life to do those shots. And now I'm just recovering.

• 19:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Every single one of my group chats has a person who runs. You know, the one suspiciously cheerful about it. And I've come around. They're right. Running is freeing. It's cathartic. It surprises you with something good every time. It's your body reminding you, you can do more than you give it credit for.

• 20:13Hannah Berner?

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• 20:35Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:31Paige DeSorbo?

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• 24:15Paige DeSorbo?

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• 24:53Hannah Berner?

  This is a perfect transition because you've been like, you're in your mother era. And you also posted on Instagram that you are a bridal influencer accidentally. Why do you think, look at this full interview, I'm Barbara Waltersing you, but like, you have been wearing, like, why are you wearing the cutest bridal fits, but just like, it's kind of empowering, like, just because you want to. You're like, this is a good fit.

• 25:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Froze my eggs.

• 25:24Paige DeSorbo?

  No, truly, nothing behind it, other than like, when it gets above the temperature of like 65 in New York, I'm like, we're all wearing white.

• 25:33Hannah Berner?

  Also, like, you got a good spray tan, we're wearing white, we're wearing ivory.

• 25:37Paige DeSorbo?

  It's, winter is over, I've switched from black to white.

• 25:41Hannah Berner?

  Clutch my pearls, we're simple girls. That rhymed. Um, so you wore one of your beautiful white outfits to, we got invited to a dinner.

• 25:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, to the Conde Nast New Fronts dinner.

• 25:56Hannah Berner?

  Thank you for having us, Mrs. Nast. Um, you nasty little Nast, at the New Fronts dinner. Which we didn't know what it was, and it was at the New York Public Library. Um, fun little story. What?

• 26:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Uh, not to like keep on theme of like my wedding.

• 26:16Hannah Berner?

  I know what you're gonna say.

• 26:19Paige DeSorbo?

  But like all my life, I'm like, I'm, I'm, not all my life. Honestly, in the beginning of my life, I was like, I'm having a huge New York City, City wedding. And in the past 10 years, I'm like, no, I'm getting married in Italy. I might be back to like, I'm having a massive New York City wedding. Now that's millennial and I don't care.

• 26:38Hannah Berner?

  At the New York Public Library, which is so funny because you can't read.

• 26:44Paige DeSorbo?

  But as a New York Times bestselling author, oh my God, Hannah, listen to what happened on Mother's Day weekend. I'm, I'm with my family, as one does, and my dad says the word irregardless. And I go, well, that's not a word. And him and my brother both gang up on me and they go, it absolutely is a word. I've said irregardless. I'm like, doesn't matter how long you've said it.

• 27:09Hannah Berner?

  Even if it is a word, don't say that word. Don't say that word.

• 27:13Paige DeSorbo?

  I go, as a New York Times bestselling author.

• 27:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Three weeks in a row, I know that that's not a word. And I honestly was going out there, going out on a limb. It's not, it is a word, but it's not considered like proper English.

• 27:30Hannah Berner?

  It's a mansplaining word. It's like a word a man uses when he's running out of words and like wants to sound better than you.

• 27:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, oh my God, I'm a Rhodes Scholar.

• 27:42Hannah Berner?

  So, we get to New York Public Library.

• 27:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 27:45Hannah Berner?

  Gorgeous, but like a bazillion steps. I get dropped off right in front. And I'm walking up.

• 27:51Paige DeSorbo?

  No Hannah, I almost, I'm kidding, I almost passed out on the stairs. And I kept trying to make jokes to everyone, like, wow, a lot of stairs, like, I'm out of breath and no one was like, I was like, oh, okay, you guys are all this in shape? Oh, okay, sorry.

• 28:07Hannah Berner?

  And everywhere you turned, there'd be more steps, but as I, when I first walked up, I didn't know where to go. And I look up and I see a girl who played on the tennis team with me at Wisconsin, and I'm like, full glam.

• 28:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Hannah Berner?

  Full fancied out.

• 28:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Like she's at the event?

• 28:23Hannah Berner?

  No, she just was standing outside. She like, she like lives in New York and was walk, like, New York is such a small world. And, um...

• 28:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Hey, here's another, one more thing about the stairs. You know how you were walking up the stairs and there were like, there were like hot young men, like, on each step?

• 28:40Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, they had male models.

• 28:42Paige DeSorbo?

  To like, help you, or they were like ushers or something? As I'm walking up the steps, I felt like I had to give a bit, like, each.

• 28:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And I don't know if they were told, like, not to interact, but I'm like, anybody ever fall, like?

• 28:57Hannah Berner?

  No, you've become the, like, creepy uncle at a party. Like, she's the waitress and is like, we hated the food.

• 29:07Hannah Berner?

  Well, no, we are at the point where male models are too young for us. Why are they all 22? Where's your facial hair?

• 29:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god, no, it's crazy. It's crazy, yeah, it's crazy going out in New York City situations and it be like, oh, I would be considered a cougar talking to that man.

• 29:26Hannah Berner?

  But this is the problem with me. I think I'm Gen Z, and when I say I think, I know I'm Gen Z. And I'm like, fully delusional where like, someone's talking to me and I'm like, they think I'm 25. And then every now and then, someone would be like, you know, someone our age, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 29:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's so true.

• 29:43Hannah Berner?

  I think I look the same.

• 29:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, here's the, here's another thing, another territory that, like, the girls aren't talking about, and I need to bring it up.

• 29:52Hannah Berner?

  You say territory?

• 29:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, territory.

• 29:55Hannah Berner?

  Territory? Give it to me, what's the territory?

• 29:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you ever in a situation where you're assuming that someone is?

• 30:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Way, not way older than you, but like, older than you. And then you realize, and then you almost like offend them.

• 30:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Cause they're like, well, we're like the same age. And you're kinda like, well.

• 30:23Paige DeSorbo?

  But you don't mean it on purpose, like, cause I'm like, oh, I like legitimately thought that like, you wouldn't have remember, like, wouldn't know what I'm talking about because like, we're not the same age. It's just, here's the thing, it, we've, we've hit an age where it's murky.

• 30:38Hannah Berner?

  It's mur- I was about to say that, thirty-two, thirty-three, which is us. You can pass as like twenty-six, but you also, in a certain light, can pass later. And then I was meeting with someone today who's older, but like, I don't know how much older, but like, not that much older. And I was making fun of my husband. I was like, he's old, he's tired. And she's like, okay. Okay, watch, how old is he? And I was like, forty-nine. And she was like, okay, don't call him tired.

• 31:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, see, yeah.

• 31:09Hannah Berner?

  I was like, I was making fun of a man, you're perfect, you, and then I have to, then, this is, okay. This is where the age stuff also annoys me. I don't like when people tell me I look like I'm twenty-six. Cause I hate that.

• 31:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the difference. I fucking love it.

• 31:26Hannah Berner?

  No, cause that means I'm of the age where people think they're complimenting me by telling me I look that, like I'm twenty-six. Like, do I look young? No, I just am young. The Italian blood is strong. And the olive oil, as Jennifer Lopez would say, is keeping us young. However, I, as you know me, I love something that makes me look old. I love a gray. I love.

• 31:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Been trying.

• 31:49Hannah Berner?

  I love a wrinkle, cause it shows that I've seen some shit. And I've been through some shit. And don't try me. Cause I've survived. I'm a survivor.

• 31:58Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm, I'm more vain than you are.

• 32:01Hannah Berner?

  A hundred percent.

• 32:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Like you, okay, that was.

• 32:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Wow.

• 32:07Hannah Berner?

  No, uh, cuz you take care of yourself.

• 32:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Nothing in life is a hundred percent.

• 32:12Hannah Berner?

  We start fighting, no, seventy-two. No, like you, you take care of yourself.

• 32:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you're. But you're so good at like, you don't even look.

• 32:22Hannah Berner?

  You, that's the thing.

• 32:23Paige DeSorbo?

  You don't, you don't even look in the mirror.

• 32:25Hannah Berner?

  If you don't look in the mirror, you have nothing to be upset about.

• 32:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like, you rarely, I feel like, you, you're really good at not judging yourself.

• 32:34Hannah Berner?

  Physically.

• 32:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, physically.

• 32:36Hannah Berner?

  Emotionally, it's, it's not good.

• 32:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, it's, yes.

• 32:39Hannah Berner?

  It's really bad. Well, you know what it is? It's like when I'm sitting and I'm in my thoughts, you know, fighting the imaginary fights. That's like you standing in front of the mirror and dissecting yourself. It's the same kind of mental illness.

• 32:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, when I'm in a hard, when I'm in a hard time, I immediately go to like, what can I change about my appearance?

• 32:57Hannah Berner?

  Yes, that's why you're doing skincare right now.

• 33:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's why I'm like, chat GPT, what's my glow up before Memorial Day weekend?

• 33:04Hannah Berner?

  Yes, you think external factors help your internal, which sometimes do. Um, wait, I'm feeling a mental health, I'm feeling a mental health, mama, come on.

• 33:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Let's.

• 33:14Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 33:16Hannah Berner?

  First of all, Oc, did you know that an octopus holds grudges?

• 33:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I love that. That's why they're an Italian delicacy.

• 33:27Paige DeSorbo?

  That's why you can have them fried. That's why you can also have them not fried. You can have them in a salad.

• 33:32Hannah Berner?

  Mediterranean salad, olive oil, lemon, prosciutto, whatever you need. Um, that was just a side note, but anyway. As someone who deals with anxiety and depression, shout out, if you listen to this pod, you probably do too, it's just algorithmic, sorry about that. Um, I always have been trying to tell myself, like, do not believe all your thoughts, right? What are you looking for?

• 33:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 33:56Hannah Berner?

  Are you looking for?

• 33:57Paige DeSorbo?

  I was looking to see if I had a charger, but I. You always know when I'm looking for something. And I do, and I didn't want to bend down and get it.

• 34:05Hannah Berner?

  You're like, I'm looking for that eye cream. We're at the second phase of the skincare.

• 34:11Hannah Berner?

  She's like, where's my? Um, yeah, so the whole concept of like not believing your thoughts really helped me through a lot of things. But recently, I've actually been kind of forgot about it. You know, when you like forget something you learned? So I have been listening to my thoughts too much. Yeah, I listen to my thoughts and then people are like, they're not all real. But you're like, well, some of this could be like me warning myself, like something's coming, like I need to attach to this thought and figure it out to make sure it's legit or not. But by that time, you're already spiraling. So what I learned is your subconscious thoughts are not real.

• 34:49Hannah Berner?

  And I love that you're like, oh my God, I have to listen to my gut. That's not your subconscious thoughts. If you have to think something, you will consciously think it and you will figure it out. But if you just get a thought arise out of nowhere, don't chase it, don't analyze it. And I was on some weird like Quora thread, thread, don't ask why I was in a dark place. And this guy said it's healthy to like label it.

• 35:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Wow, that's when I'm like, that's when I'm deep in like I have some type of ailment.

• 35:17Hannah Berner?

  When you're on Quora?

• 35:19Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, and if you pee and it's a different color.

• 35:23Hannah Berner?

  And if your pussy is secreting what?

• 35:28Hannah Berner?

  So this guy on Quora, um, said, and you can't even comment, you can't even click on Quora. Anyway. Who even has a Quora account? Anyway.

• 35:39Hannah Berner?

  No one's ever had a Quora account. But he basically said, when you have a thought and you're like, oh, I should latch on to this, I should figure it out. That no, it's what the thought wants. Instead, label it. And he labeled it a brain fart. Now, that to me.

• 35:52Paige DeSorbo?

  That really speaks to you.

• 35:53Hannah Berner?

  That speaks to me because not only am I labeling it, but I'm making myself giggle. So I get a, let's say I get a, I'm gonna give you guys an example. What's a good, uh, I get a thought. Oh my God, um, I'm gonna embarrass myself, um, playing tennis next weekend. I'm not gonna do well. Now you have two things you could do. You could go into it and be like, oh yeah, what'll happen? How do I prevent myself from playing bad? And next thing you know, you're in deep. You're swimming with the sharks. Or I go, that was a subconscious weird thought. Instead of going, don't think that thought, don't think it, you're still thinking about it. Just go, mm, brain fart, period. Brain fart, ew, haha, brain fart, mm, bye.

• 36:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, this is so interesting because I saw a TikTok this week that I was like, I can't wait to say this to Hannah because it's all about like your inner voice to yourself. There was a TikTok and it was like, in your mind, scream your name.

• 36:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Now, in your mind, whisper your name. And like it's different, and it, did you do it?

• 37:03Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Did it, and then it, and then the video was like, see how you can tell that voice what to do? Like you just have to be more conscious of that throughout the day. Like you just told your voice to like yell, then whisper. You can actually like tell them other thoughts.

• 37:19Hannah Berner?

  Yes, like you're in charge.

• 37:20Paige DeSorbo?

  That was so, yeah, like you're in charge.

• 37:23Hannah Berner?

  I feel like your, your brain is basically like your own chat GPT that's like kinda gone rogue. Like it has all the information on you and then it starts like spouting out things.

• 37:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Should I go dive deeper into that? And it's like, I didn't ask you to.

• 37:39Hannah Berner?

  No, literally, or it'll be like, do you remember this one memory when you were a kid? And that was really upsetting to you and you're like, why are you bringing that up? Why are you bringing that up?

• 37:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Speaking of like mental health, can we talk about Molly May?

• 37:52Hannah Berner?

  Oh, Molly.

• 37:55Paige DeSorbo?

  My sweet, sweet girl.

• 37:56Hannah Berner?

  My sweet, sweet girl. So Molly May, second season came out. I'm only one episode into the second season. Um, she's going through it, which we love.

• 38:05Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like absolutely going through it. She's like completely back with Tommy and it's such like, this is such a. Yeah, like, like on Instagram, they're like back.

• 38:17Hannah Berner?

  Oh, on Instagram right now, but like starting the second season, they're still like, honestly, you could just, she's just broken.

• 38:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Kind of soft launched. It soft launched it that like they're gonna get back together.

• 38:28Hannah Berner?

  And they made out in New York's, in, not New York City, at New Year's.

• 38:32Paige DeSorbo?

  And if you've ever like been Molly May or been friends with a Molly May, which I feel like I've been in both situations. It is so hard to like watch your friend go through that and it's so hard to be her. Because you're like, okay, well, if obviously all my friends want me happy and if I'm happy by getting back together with him, like, why aren't they happy for me? And I feel like she's like kind of going through like that type of thing where I. Obviously, I'm not friends with Molly May in real life, but I'm like, if it makes you happy to be. His girlfriend again, I love it for you.

• 39:06Hannah Berner?

  Like, I agree with you in that you can't make someone do anything. Because if she in her heart of hearts feels like there's more to this relationship with her and Tommy. She will never move on from it. She'll always be like, what if, what if, what if? It's, it's more like sometimes as a friend, I realize you have to let them fuck up. Like, let them.

• 39:26Paige DeSorbo?

  And you have to let people do thing on their own time.

• 39:29Hannah Berner?

  Schedule. Also, also, let's give her some empathy that like she has a child with this man. It's not like this random like DJ that like. Keeps cheating on her and she for no reason keeps fucking him in his one bedroom apartment. This got specific, but like. It's, she's, has a family with this guy and she had a dream of what her life would be like. Honestly, I wonder if she's in her Saturn return. That's what it's giving.

• 39:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, my God, I. I'm in my, you know what else you can do on Chat GPT, which I feel like people don't know about. You can do like all your astrology.

• 40:03Hannah Berner?

  Oh, my God.

• 40:04Paige DeSorbo?

  And I just like ended like a seven year cycle.

• 40:08Hannah Berner?

  Wait, first of all, congratulations. Second, you could also do a color chart thing.

• 40:13Paige DeSorbo?

  What, what do you mean?

• 40:14Hannah Berner?

  You can ask them for your colors. Like, am I a summer and winter?

• 40:19Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm doing that tonight.

• 40:20Hannah Berner?

  But also, we do not want anyone to be out of work because of this.

• 40:25Hannah Berner?

  So contact your Instagram color chart analysis person.

• 40:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, contact your local astrologer.

• 40:32Hannah Berner?

  And your local astrologer, because it's not gonna hit the same, and it's about how people actually analyze it from a human way.

• 40:39Paige DeSorbo?

  You're so right.

• 40:40Hannah Berner?

  Thank you. No, period. I do have to say, though, it was kinda crazy, the scene where she was like, went to the L'Oréal Paris thing and didn't wanna walk the runway.

• 40:50Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 40:51Hannah Berner?

  I know, and she just kept, she just kept going, "How pretty's Kendall Jenner? How pretty's Kendall Jenner?" That's the shit that like, I don't understand, and one, it's because I'm delusional, but two, I'm just like, you are you, like, celebrate you, and you're so beautiful.

• 41:05Paige DeSorbo?

  You're stunning. Like, you're...

• 41:08Hannah Berner?

  It's like a weird imposter syndrome.

• 41:09Paige DeSorbo?

  A perfect example, too, is I was watching it with my mom, and my mom has no idea who Molly May is, and I'm giving her like, general background, and I'm like, the only way to describe her is, you just wanna be her friend, and then like, one episode in, I'm like, "Are you obsessed with Molly May?" And she's like, "And she's just the cutest." Like, you just get like, obsessed with her. I just love her so much.

• 41:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Shoot, what was I just gonna say?

• 41:35Hannah Berner?

  We didn't finish the story about...

• 41:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Anne Wintour.

• 41:39Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 41:40Paige DeSorbo?

  But then I was gonna say something, but it'll come back to me.

• 41:42Hannah Berner?

  So we're struggling up the stairs, we're hitchhiking up these stairs, and we're also wearing like, very nice clothes. I thought I was gonna get there before you. You said fifteen minutes, I was ten minutes away. I come to the front, and I say, "Where is, is Paige DeSorbo here?" And they go, "Yes, she's here," and immediately I panic, I go, "Oh no, Paige is alone in a foreign place without me."

• 42:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I was panicking at that moment, too, that I was in a foreign place without you.

• 42:09Hannah Berner?

  Paige, for some reason, is standing alone at a table, so scared, like a scared little princess, and I have this like, cute moment where I, I'm across the room, and I, as she's turning, I wait for her to lock eyes with me, and I say, "I'm here," and then she starts smiling, and I run up to you, and then we latched.

• 42:31Hannah Berner?

  We latched on.

• 42:32Paige DeSorbo?

  We latched.

• 42:32Hannah Berner?

  We took some photos by the ladder, which, I did not have to put my foot on the ladder, that was an insane pose.

• 42:39Paige DeSorbo?

  They asked you to.

• 42:40Hannah Berner?

  They did, but I thought they were, they should've been like,

• 42:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, they should've been like, "And one picture with it was fine."

• 42:46Hannah Berner?

  And it was a creative, creative choice that we regret.

• 42:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I also felt so swollen that night.

• 42:53Hannah Berner?

  You looked gorgeous, but like fully pregnant.

• 42:56Paige DeSorbo?

  No, that was my maternity dress. Like, my stomach could not have been more bloated. That was literally like-

• 43:02Hannah Berner?

  Your maternity style is maybe-

• 43:05Paige DeSorbo?

  It's crazy.

• 43:06Hannah Berner?

  It's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be so fucking good. You're like, already have Pinterest boards, I know it.

• 43:11Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm really hoping that like the peak of my pregnancy is the spring.

• 43:16Hannah Berner?

  Are you gonna show the belly? Like, are you gonna do those like, open button shirts and stuff?

• 43:22Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what? I don't know. I'm gonna, I'm, it's not gonna be my whole personality, but there will be occasions where it's like, oh, and that's an accessory.

• 43:33Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 43:33Paige DeSorbo?

  But I'm not gonna do it like, all the time, because honestly, I think it's like, overdone.

• 43:37Hannah Berner?

  It's like, we got it.

• 43:42Hannah Berner?

  Oh, you're pregnant again this month? You were pregnant last month?

• 43:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Unless you're Rihanna, honestly, I don't like, care. Also, do whatever you want. Literally, do whatever the fuck you want. I don't give a shit.

• 43:53Hannah Berner?

  Are you gonna do a photo shoot?

• 43:56Hannah Berner?

  Yes, but just for yourself.

• 43:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, but when has that ever happened?

• 44:03Hannah Berner?

  When's the last time we did something just for ourselves?

• 44:07Hannah Berner?

  So we-

• 44:07Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know. I mean, I'll definitely do one, I think.

• 44:09Hannah Berner?

  We meet up with Samantha Berry, who is the editor in chief of Glamour. Now, let me just say, editor in chief, what a fucking cool ass title.

• 44:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I legitimately felt like we were in the movie Thirteen Going on Thirty, and we accidentally woke up and we were thirty, and they're like, and you have to go to this dinner. And we're like, wait, what?

• 44:29Hannah Berner?

  Cause we're with all these people who have like, actual jobs, and we're standing there, and, so Samantha Berry, I got lucky, is Irish, knows Dez, friends with Dez, we're in. I was like, let's, this is great, we're all a big family. So we're chatting with Samantha, you're, you know, doing your thing.

• 44:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Stunning.

• 44:52Hannah Berner?

  Stunning. Well, everyone thought she was Lindsay Lohan, which

• 44:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Hannah Berner?

  Well, I was fine with. I was like, I know, crazy. Meeting Lindsay at the New York Public Library, but no, she's stunning, gorgeous.

• 45:01Paige DeSorbo?

  They really do look similar, yeah.

• 45:02Hannah Berner?

  And incredible charisma, just everything. We love you Samantha. So we're talking and then on the corner of my eye, I see a fuck ass Bob. Extremely shiny.

• 45:12Paige DeSorbo?

  The, the fuck ass Bob.

• 45:14Hannah Berner?

  The fuck ass Bob, shiny and the way she walked was actually levitation. Like she was, the, the whole place stood still as she levitated through.

• 45:25Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what's crazy to think about Anna Wintor when we like, don't think about it enough? She's just going to after work dinners. Like she's literally just doing her normal work day and like, she's like, oh, and tonight I have like that dinner after.

• 45:37Hannah Berner?

  Shout out to Anna Wintor for being on the fucking grind. Met Gala Monday, who knows what she did to, then, then Wednesday, at this after work drinks, talking to people, like, and apparently she's in every meeting, like she is not just the face of something, like she's in the weeds, Anna Wintor.

• 45:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know how she does that. I don't know how she does that.

• 45:57Hannah Berner?

  So she starts coming our way, cause we're hanging out with an editor in chief, like that's editor in chief right there. She starts coming our way.

• 46:05Paige DeSorbo?

  I remembered what I was gonna say previously, but just keep going.

• 46:09Hannah Berner?

  The gigglers want, and now I'm stressed that you're gonna forget it again.

• 46:12Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm not gonna.

• 46:13Hannah Berner?

  So stressed.

• 46:14Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm not gonna.

• 46:15Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you are. So the, you forgot already. The gigglers are freaking out. They wrote, cause you posted the photos and they were like, Paige, how nervous were you that you've waited your whole life to be in front of Anna Wintor? And my big ass mouth was in between you and Anna Wintor and I represent you. We were, we were introduced together, that I was gonna say something that would ruin your forever future of going to the Met Gala.

• 46:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I was so, this is, this was such a top person on my list to like meet, like this was such a like bucket list moment for me, that I went, mum, silence, I couldn't say anything. I couldn't think, I was like, not the time to like, try out a joke, like not, anything in my head that I thought to say, I was like, not the time. So I kind of just let Samantha talk the most.

• 47:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Because there was nothing I could do but like nod and smile.

• 47:16Hannah Berner?

  So for some reason, I was failing myself.

• 47:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, well, as always.

• 47:22Hannah Berner?

  And she's, we started riffing.

• 47:23Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like holding my beer. You can't think of anything to say?

• 47:26Hannah Berner?

  I was fully riffing with Anna Wintor. She, well, she commented on the stairs and I said, this is my, I'm a huge stair. We've been talking, joking about stairs for a while now. We have to discuss the stairs.

• 47:38Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, I'm a stair comedian.

• 47:39Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I'm a stair comedian. We're laughing and then, like Anna Wintor, I think it's also because she's British, she's dry, she's funny. I was like,

• 47:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 47:48Hannah Berner?

  She just wants a little laugh. And then I think I said something corny where I was like, you know, thanks for everything you do. Or something really general, like, you know, and you're just, you know, you don't know what to say. And world peace. And world peace. Like, you know they're great, but you don't know what words to put together. But, um, then I turned to you and me.

• 48:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like, what could we say to Anna Wintor that hasn't been said about her or to her?

• 48:10Hannah Berner?

  A thousand percent. I know she looked us up and down. She gave us a little laugh.

• 48:14Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I felt it. I felt it.

• 48:17Hannah Berner?

  I sucked in and I, and then I was like, I need to bring the comedy here. So she laughs, we made her giggle. We're on Cloud Nine. I turned to you and I go, you feel good? And you were like, yeah. And I realized like, that's if like Serena Williams walked up to us, I would have shat my pants. You would have been riffing, silly, funny. I would have been like hubba da, hubba da, hubba da.

• 48:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, it would have been like adorable skirt, obsessed.

• 48:43Hannah Berner?

  But, no, Anna Wintor is also on my bucket list. Just everything she's accomplished is, um, she's an icon.

• 48:50Paige DeSorbo?

  It really was crazy. And then I literally had to. Full speech, like full mingling, and then I literally scooted out there to give myself a shot at nine fifteen.

• 49:02Hannah Berner?

  Karen, I call you out on something you did before that. You are all nervous, you don't know who to be friends with, and I'm standing by you and I'm holding your hand. And then, I haven't like felt Paige's energy in a minute. I look over, you've made like a best friend in the woman next to you to the point that you were like ignoring me. I was like Paige and you were like, I'm talking. I'm literally talking. No, you fell in, I watched you fall in love with this woman to the point that I was like, you're having an affair in front of me.

• 49:31Paige DeSorbo?

  She texted me asking me how my egg retrieval went.

• 49:34Hannah Berner?

  Also, she was, she was pregnant. So Paige was like,

• 49:37Paige DeSorbo?

  She was pregnant.

• 49:38Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, the mothers are talking. I was like, okay. So I was fully like gonna take care of you the whole time because I was worried for you because you had social anxiety. And then you literally left me to die. And then,

• 49:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally left you to die.

• 49:51Hannah Berner?

  And then you were like, oh, I need to take my shot. And, and left. And I was sitting there like, okay.

• 49:59Paige DeSorbo?

  What, no. Also, in that moment, I was like, this is, there are such trade-offs of motherhood, I can't imagine. You know, like, I can't wait to dive into it when the day is right.

• 50:11Paige DeSorbo?

  You don't even have to Irish exit anymore. You can literally stand up at a table of nine women and say, I'm leaving. It pertains to my children. And they're like,

• 50:22Hannah Berner?

  Get out of here.

• 50:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Run. Get out of here.

• 50:24Hannah Berner?

  Lucky you even came here in the first place.

• 50:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. They're like, can't believe you even made it out of the house, you know? So I stood up and I said, guys, I have to give myself a shot in the abdomen. I'm gonna be late. And they're like, go on and prosper.

• 50:37Hannah Berner?

  I think like, you're one of my first close, close friends to freezer eggs, or at least tell me about it. So I didn't know what like the social stigma was. But I was like really loosey goosey. I think because you had told people, but I realized later like, maybe you shouldn't. But I was like, oh, Paige is freezing her eggs. And some girl looks at me, I'm like, oh, she's freezing her egg. Like, I told everyone.

• 50:56Paige DeSorbo?

  There's no HIPAA like between us.

• 50:59Hannah Berner?

  But I feel like you wait to see that your friend is like, okay with, with that first. But I felt like you were kind of loving the attention.

• 51:06Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I was. Again, if there's another thing about motherhood that I've learned, I'm gonna love my baby shower. I, like, I am thinking more about my baby shower than any wedding event, you know? And I was trying to see, like, okay, how am I going to carry? Is my mouth gonna get swollen? And so the day my mom gets to my apartment, I'm, she gets to my apartment, now I'm going the next morning for my egg retrieval, so I'm like peak bloat. And I, in classic, like, mother fashion, I'm like, this is so adorable, look at how I'm gonna carry, just like, so tiny. And she looks at me and she goes, "You think?" Like...

• 51:51Hannah Berner?

  Just like that, you need 20 more years of therapy.

• 51:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I was like, wait...

• 51:55Hannah Berner?

  Only a mom could do that. Well, that reminds me, you, you sent me a bloated photo of you, and you had your hand on your lower back like it was hurting.

• 52:02Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm practicing. I'm practicing poses.

• 52:05Hannah Berner?

  Method acting.

• 52:09Hannah Berner?

  You're like, "I identify as a pregnant woman."

• 52:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Cosplaying. I literally went out to lunch for Mother's Day and I'm like, "I have to wear a low rise." I'm literally, like, my stomach.

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• 55:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's what I remembered what I was gonna say. Cause we touched on the Bill Belichick of it all.

• 55:39Hannah Berner?

  Oh.

• 55:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And Jordan last week.

• 55:43Hannah Berner?

  What'd she do?

• 55:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Since then, she's been banned.

• 55:49Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I love a girl who's been banned. Like, justice for her. Like, I don't know if they hear what she said.

• 55:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I think of Seth.

• 55:55Paige DeSorbo?

  She was banned from literally like his enti- the entire facility of like North Carolina, like where he works. Like banned from the whole thing.

• 56:05Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I didn't even know he worked. I thought he was retired.

• 56:08Paige DeSorbo?

  He's the coach of North Carolina.

• 56:10Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I didn't know that. Oops.

• 56:12Paige DeSorbo?

  And she competed for Miss Maine this past weekend. She got third.

• 56:20Hannah Berner?

  Oh, wow. So she's busy too.

• 56:22Paige DeSorbo?

  She's busy too.

• 56:22Hannah Berner?

  She's like, cool, ban me. I'm busy in Maine. I didn't want to go to your party anyway.

• 56:28Paige DeSorbo?

  She's competing. And Bill goes to support her, which we love. We love a supportive gang. Here's the only thing. He's sitting next to her dad, who he is, he is older than her dad.

• 56:44Paige DeSorbo?

  And for me, I thought, mm, now this I don't, this I don't appreciate. I didn't, I couldn't, I couldn't under-

• 56:54Hannah Berner?

  Did you see Jordan's ex is also like in the seventies?

• 56:59Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 57:00Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, so it's not like she random-

• 57:02Paige DeSorbo?

  This is her first.

• 57:03Hannah Berner?

  This is her thing. She has a thing. Which you know, I'm not gonna yuck someone's yum.

• 57:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, me neither.

• 57:11Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, it's like when someone blocks you on Instagram, you're like, oh, so you're that obsessed with me? That's how it's giving them banning her. I'm like, why are you, what did she do? Like-

• 57:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Right, like I feel like you have to do a lot of things to get banned from anywhere.

• 57:30Hannah Berner?

  I mean, I'm probably br- um, I'm probably banned from BarboCon, but that's just-

• 57:36Paige DeSorbo?

  They like, they have your picture in the back room. They're like, if anyone sees her, take her out immediately.

• 57:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, there's, if Bravo, here's the thing, one thing I'll say about Bravo. One, Bravo should bring back their commercials. Me and Hannah were always pitching like Bravo celebrities in an office, like doing office things.

• 57:57Hannah Berner?

  Like the sports broadcaster.

• 58:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Like the ESPN old commercials.

• 58:02Hannah Berner?

  Be like, Teresa Giudice needs a sandwich.

• 58:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Why they don't vlog BravoCon with like a certain number of Bravo celebrities and just send a camera with them the entire weekend and make it like the office? Like, they're really missing out on some like really funny skits and bits.

• 58:19Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Look, we're producers, we're producing.

• 58:23Paige DeSorbo?

  We're literal producers. Sorry, we're creative.

• 58:26Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, sorry. This brain's always moving. Also, you're chugging coffee right now, it's 8pm. Are you gonna be able to go to sleep? I'm worried, I'm stressed out now.

• 58:36Paige DeSorbo?

  I think I...

• 58:38Hannah Berner?

  It's mental.

• 58:40Paige DeSorbo?

  I think not being able to sleep after caffeine is literally mental and like gaslighting yourself.

• 58:46Hannah Berner?

  Wait, you're so right.

• 58:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Jet lag is a social construct.

• 58:49Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I think I need to move to LA though, cuz I am like, I live a good life there. I wake up so late here, I'm struggling, I'm staying up late, I don't, I don't know who she is. Oh, also, another hot take. And this is gonna be chuggy, and this is gonna make me sound like an actual mother.

• 59:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Bit of obsessed.

• 59:08Hannah Berner?

  We need to stop with the smoking.

• 59:12Hannah Berner?

  I was walking home today, and I saw two very cute girls smoking cigs. And I was like, oh hell no, Gen Z. Like 19.

• 59:23Paige DeSorbo?

  No way, no way.

• 59:25Hannah Berner?

  And this is how, no, but this is how trends work, like, we work so hard to stop smoking, to the point that it was like gone. That now it's like become cool again to smoke cuz they like forgot that it was bad. Also... I love Addison Rae. I think all her songs slapping. We do not need the cig to look cool. Stop with the cigarettes and fashion. Stop. And like, it's, and it's also like cosplaying, like try, like, give me a prop to try to look cool. I don't like Instagram photos where people have a cig. Stop it.

• 59:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Only appropriate place to smoke a cig is in Europe in the summer. And it has to be a skinny cig and you have to be, you have to be drunk or sitting at a small circular table. And that's the

• 1:00:09Hannah Berner?

  And that's just the rules.

• 1:00:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's just the rules. If you are in the confines of the United States of America, it's not, it's not cigarette time.

• 1:00:19Hannah Berner?

  I told you when I was in high school, my friend was going through a breakup and she was at her dramatic, she took out the cigarettes and I took it and I threw it away. And she was so mad at me and I said, I just saved your life.

• 1:00:32Hannah Berner?

  Also, Jewel, like a normal person.

• 1:00:34Paige DeSorbo?

  You were the cadence class, you were the cadence class that took dare like super serious.

• 1:00:39Hannah Berner?

  Well, I'm not even smoking weed at that point. So then I see a cigarette and I was like, oh.

• 1:00:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my God, how were you when you, when you were like post-college and you realized everyone did cocaine?

• 1:00:51Hannah Berner?

  No one told me about it. Literally, no one told me till like last year. They were like, we were coked out. And I was like, what? No one tells me.

• 1:01:00Paige DeSorbo?

  You turn 23 and you're like, okay, so toilet paper's crazy expensive. Cheese is like, is a luxury item and everyone does cocaine? That's insane.

• 1:01:13Hannah Berner?

  Wait, Paige, no one offered me cocaine.

• 1:01:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Stop.

• 1:01:18Hannah Berner?

  No one.

• 1:01:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah.

• 1:01:19Hannah Berner?

  I think I, it's the energy I bring to the function. They think I'm already coked out. They're like, she stole.

• 1:01:24Paige DeSorbo?

  She should be offering it to us. Honestly, it's rude.

• 1:01:27Hannah Berner?

  So Hannah stole someone's cocaine and is, doesn't need anymore.

• 1:01:31Paige DeSorbo?

  The coke went missing and we're pretty sure it was Hannah.

• 1:01:34Hannah Berner?

  Wait, it's giving, everyone thought I was already coked out? Is that a compliment? Shout out to me for getting on Dumois for the first time.

• 1:01:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Kind of like epic. I literally screenshot to do more this past Sunday and sent it to Hannah and it was like, literally sounded like you and Chelsea Handler were like on a lesbian dinner date.

• 1:01:57Hannah Berner?

  It said Hannah and Chelsea at the Soho Grand. Hannah was laughing and they left like arm in arm and I was like.

• 1:02:04Paige DeSorbo?

  The last sentence, leaving arm in arm was crazy. I loved it.

• 1:02:09Hannah Berner?

  But the funny thing is, so Chelsea's my new friend and as we all know, Chelsea loves drugs. So I'm battling with myself being like, do I do drugs?

• 1:02:18Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 1:02:18Hannah Berner?

  Talking to my childhood icon?

• 1:02:21Paige DeSorbo?

  No, she's experienced.

• 1:02:24Hannah Berner?

  Well, also if I do drugs in front of her and it goes bad, I'll never work in this town again.

• 1:02:28Paige DeSorbo?

  What drug would you even try?

• 1:02:31Hannah Berner?

  Well, I think they like having fun with like,

• 1:02:34Paige DeSorbo?

  mushrooms and like.

• 1:02:34Hannah Berner?

  fun drugs. Yeah. Again, unnecessary. Cause.

• 1:02:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I think I watched, she did like an episode where she took something and like,

• 1:02:43Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I think it was like an Ambien.

• 1:02:45Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. So now I joke with Des.

• 1:02:46Paige DeSorbo?

  And like thought sleep.

• 1:02:47Hannah Berner?

  I'm like, I'm gonna go do ayahuasca with Chelsea tonight. And he's like, okay, have fun. Like,

• 1:02:53Hannah Berner?

  but my thing is I'm thirty three. Best case scenario, I like it. And then I like MDMA and I become hooked on MDMA thirty three.

• 1:03:04Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like always asking me to go to raves. I'm like, I have a child, Hannah.

• 1:03:09Hannah Berner?

  I discover dubstep at thirty three and I need to go to a Brooklyn warehouse at thirty three.

• 1:03:17Paige DeSorbo?

  You text me and you're like, any chance you have a neon fanny pack I can borrow? I'm like, no. Call your doctor.

• 1:03:27Hannah Berner?

  Oh my God. Yeah, I've just missed the boat.

• 1:03:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, quick question, do you have high top Converse that like you don't care about anymore? They're, they may get paint on them. I'm like, stop Hannah.

• 1:03:38Hannah Berner?

  I go, I've started wearing thongs at thirty three. That's when you know shit's bad. If I ever started wearing thongs, call the police.

• 1:03:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, gosh.

• 1:03:47Hannah Berner?

  Um, one other honorable mention. Everyone's still tagging us in all their books whenever they go to read it. Have you been getting it? Like, morning coffee.

• 1:03:56Paige DeSorbo?

  It's crazy.

• 1:03:57Hannah Berner?

  Every giggle's in Cancun. I don't know how, but every giggle's on vacation.

• 1:04:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. There are some, some rich gigglers. I'm like, wait a minute. I'm like, do, do a panorama of that room.

• 1:04:09Hannah Berner?

  Can you guys write a book on how to go on these great vacations? Um, but they've also been tagging their pets. And I just have to say shout out to all the cat moms out there, and I love the dogs too. But the cats have really good names, and I just have to do a shout out to one specific cat. With a name that really made me laugh. This one girl's cat's name is Crunchwrap.

• 1:04:33Hannah Berner?

  Ms. Supreme, get over here.

• 1:04:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I'm obsessed.

• 1:04:36Hannah Berner?

  Crunchwrap is such a cat name.

• 1:04:39Paige DeSorbo?

  That like, when you do get an animal or a pet. You name them a name, and then you literally never say that name again.

• 1:04:49Paige DeSorbo?

  What is with that? You know, like.

• 1:04:51Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Paige DeSorbo?

  It's rare that I'm like, Daphne, you know, I'm like, Miss Girl, Miss Kitty, like, Miss Lady.

• 1:04:59Hannah Berner?

  If you don't change her, if you call your cat by their government name, you, you're not connected to her. Like, you don't love her. But I do have two rules for naming your cat or dog. It has to be either a real person name, like Daphne, or Jennifer, or Steven. Like, I really think that's funny.

• 1:05:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Hannah Berner?

  Or a food name.

• 1:05:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Hannah Berner?

  You know, someone recently, um, cannoli, oh my god, cute. Like, that stuff is so cute.

• 1:05:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I love, like, the name Pickle.

• 1:05:28Hannah Berner?

  Pickle, Butter, Crunchwrap. So anyway, that's just.

• 1:05:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Cute.

• 1:05:33Hannah Berner?

  A side note, um.

• 1:05:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Cute stuff.

• 1:05:35Hannah Berner?

  Anything else?

• 1:05:37Paige DeSorbo?

  I have one last thing to say because I feel like we're always talking about travel and how much like we hate the airport and all this stuff. I keep getting TikTok videos of, I'm obsessed with ballerinas. I love their aesthetic. I love their vibe. Like, I wanna be in a girl friend group of ballerinas. You know, and I want them to like low-key hate me. Like, I just like I'm obsessed with them. I keep getting all these ballerinas in airports doing full-out routines. Now, usually, like if I saw that at an airport, I would be like, I'll murder everyone. I'm obsessed. I love it. I love a dancing video when I'm like nowhere near involved, but I can like

• 1:06:16Hannah Berner?

  Appreciate it.

• 1:06:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I can appreciate it. If I saw two ballerinas doing their thing in the middle of LaGuardia.

• 1:06:24Hannah Berner?

  I love it. That's the thing. It's not like, um, you know, when everyone comes together, flash mobs. Okay, that was a millennial thing that was like actually offensive. Like, that should never have happened.

• 1:06:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, people like got engaged in the middle of flash mobs?

• 1:06:37Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like at Costco. Like, it was, no. It's not a flash mob. And it was really a trend. It was really bad. And a lot of people lost a lot of time off their lives with that. Um, two ballerinas, that's art.

• 1:06:51Paige DeSorbo?

  That's

• 1:06:51Hannah Berner?

  That's like a painting.

• 1:06:53Paige DeSorbo?

  That's friends hanging out.

• 1:06:54Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, that's friends hanging out. That's Fantasia.

• 1:06:58Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I wanna, can we please go to the ballet? Like, I've literally never been to the ballet. All I wanna do is like wear a chic, cool. I feel like going to the ballet in the summer in New York City is like, hello, who are we?

• 1:07:12Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I just thought of something. To add to our YouTube series, we have to do Hannah and Paige try ballet.

• 1:07:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, can we? Do you know Josephine takes adult ballet classes on like Wednesday nights?

• 1:07:24Hannah Berner?

  This is my question. Do you think you could like for a second cosplay and like for a second, someone will be like, wait? She could be a ballerina.

• 1:07:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Cast me in a ballerina ass movie?

• 1:07:38Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I've been preparing for the role my whole life.

• 1:07:40Hannah Berner?

  See, that's where like, when I think I could be a chef or like that, see ballerina, I'm like, not for a second would someone be like, can I have, no.

• 1:07:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I think it's because the movie Center Stage came out at like a very pivotal moment and it was like, I was like eight or like nine where I was like, is this like a sexual awakening? Like, I think it was like the first time I was like, that's a gay man. Like, do you, like, things like that.

• 1:08:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Paige DeSorbo?

  And I just like loved it.

• 1:08:04Hannah Berner?

  See, I'm more connected to the one, um, the hip hop one with.

• 1:08:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Step up.

• 1:08:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Channing Tatum.

• 1:08:13Hannah Berner?

  Even before that.

• 1:08:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Honey, Jessica Alba.

• 1:08:15Hannah Berner?

  No, before that. Julia Stiles.

• 1:08:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Save the Last Dance.

• 1:08:21Hannah Berner?

  Save the Last Dance. That was more meat coated. Um, oh, I also was getting photos taken of myself. And at one point, the lady was clearly trying to tell me that like, I need to make my, my hands look like gentler.

• 1:08:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Softer, yeah.

• 1:08:37Hannah Berner?

  Softer.

• 1:08:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Would you get that?

• 1:08:40Hannah Berner?

  A lot.

• 1:08:41Paige DeSorbo?

  A lot.

• 1:08:42Hannah Berner?

  And she kept, and I just kept laughing because she kept being like, and let's, let's relax the fingers.

• 1:08:49Hannah Berner?

  And she, she kept being like, and let's not tense up the arm. And then it's a trick where like, when you put your, your leg over the other leg, you don't actually push down. You like pretend and she just kept being like, and we're, we're light as a feather. And I was like, this is not the vibe that I'm gonna give.

• 1:09:05Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like, and maybe you don't look like this. Maybe if you could do something where you look not like you differently from you.

• 1:09:13Hannah Berner?

  I literally have mini hot dogs for fingers. They're not gonna look like a ballerina-esque, so.

• 1:09:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 1:09:19Hannah Berner?

  Anyway, everyone, like, I can't be perfect. Sorry.

• 1:09:22Paige DeSorbo?

  No, sorry.

• 1:09:23Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, I can't be everything for everyone.

• 1:09:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I can't freeze my eggs, put them back in my body, have a babe, like, sorry. Sorry.

• 1:09:35Hannah Berner?

  And have gentle fingers.

• 1:09:37Paige DeSorbo?

  And also be soft throughout the day.

• 1:09:40Hannah Berner?

  No, the patriarchy wins again. Um, we love you guys so much. Our new episode just aired of. Of episode two of Hannah Page trying new things, so check that out. Um, and we love you guys so much. Thanks for giggling. And to end the app, we're playing another audiobook excerpt for you to enjoy from How to Giggle, available everywhere now, third week bestseller. Let's go. I really believe in manifestation, but not like, write this 1,000 times in your journal and it will come true, kind of manifestation. More like, believe so deep in your gut that you are already what you want to be. It's similar to the idea of happiness.

• 1:10:22Hannah Berner?

  You do not have to chase happiness. It's within you. You just have to find it. This is so Brene Brown coded. Let's continue. I like to think of life like it's a single player game and you want to reach new levels of yourself. You can't just go about your day with no goal and expect things to happen. That's like being a quarterback and wanting to win, but not having any plays. Let's get some strategy. I always start big and then get smaller. Write down your biggest goal in the world, such as winning an Oscar. Then go backward to each step and write what you need to do to get to that step. To win an Oscar, I need to be in a successful movie.

• 1:11:07Hannah Berner?

  To be in a successful movie, I need to have acted in other movies. To act in movies, I need a casting agent. To get a casting agent, I have to get a following on social media for acting videos. To get a following on social media, I need to start posting acting videos every day. To post a video every day, I need an acting coach and to write scripts. Okay, now this is something I can start to do tomorrow. If you hear this and rolled your eyes and called me delusional, go back to chapter three because you didn't retain anything.

• 1:11:43Hannah Berner?

  Sorry for yelling. I realized that every successful person had a time when they had to start from the beginning. And manifesting keeps you focused and calm while working toward a goal. I really feel like we are all leaves in the wind, and manifesting gives you direction to put your energy and tell the universe what you want. When you put something into the universe, I don't mean witchcraft. I mean, when something is on your mind, you will see more opportunities for it and you will tell people about it. You're planting seeds that can one day grow into your dreams. Farmer girlies unite. When it starts to feel fun and exciting, that means you're in alignment. If you're not having fun, pivot. Warning, girlies.

• 1:12:28Hannah Berner?

  Nothing ever goes according to plan, but trust that you are always moving in the right direction. Keep your eyes wide open and stay on track.

• 1:12:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Pages Methods. If you made it this far, listening, well, then, good for you. You are officially a woman in STEM. Of course, the M stands for manifesting, and let's just say I love a TikTok psychic just as much as the next person. But you know me, I have a tough time believing a single thing they say. The way I like to manifest is extremely page-coded, and it is another excuse for me to make a list. I like to set a five-year, totally unrealistic goal list. It doesn't have to be long, and it doesn't have to be totally attainable. That is the beauty of manifesting. You can make it whatever you want. It all depends on you and how you feel about yourself, or whatever Brene Brown says.

• 1:13:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I use these lists as a guide for things I would like to accomplish professionally and personally. I look at it once a month. When I do come across this list amid the hundreds of other lists on my phone, I fantasize about how it would feel to be living as that version of myself. Now, I'm not going to tell you to throw cinnamon through your door on a full moon while mercury is in the microwave, but I am going to tell you to really, actually fantasize about it. Whenever I'm in the shower, I always feel like I'm at my most creative and think of so many things. But as soon as I'm out of the shower, it's like I forgot everything and I'm back to reality. Hot girls have short-term memory loss. But that is when I truly manifest what I want.

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