Dr. Daniel Pompa: How Heavy Metal Poisoning Destroys Your Health

Many people chase symptoms with supplements and medications, never realising their cells are literally drowning in toxins. Dr. Daniel Pompa’s story mirrors what millions experience today — unexplained fatigue, brain fog, hormone dysfunction, and anxiety that doctors can’t explain, yet his blood work came back “perfect.” The breakthrough was discovering mercury toxicity from dental fillings had accumulated in his brain tissue, invisible to standard tests because heavy metals hide deep in tissues where they wreak cellular havoc for decades. Join the Ultimate Human VIP community!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Dr. Daniel Pompa: Get Dr. Daniel Pompa’s book, “Cellular Healing Diet“ here: https://www.amazon.com/Cellular-Healing-Diet-Daniel-Pompa/dp/0615460097 Get Dr. Daniel Pompa’s book, “Beyond Fasting“ here: https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Fasting-Cellular-Solution-Resistance/dp/1733713107 Join this free webinar that explains the unexplainable: https://pompaprogram.com/webinar/ Connect with Dr. Daniel Pompa: Website: https://pompaprogram.com/ YouTube: https://youtube.com/@drdanielpompa?si=otNs-uKxkogyPALq Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drpompa/?hl=en TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drpompa Thank you to our partners: H2TABS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - USE CODE "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E COLD LIFE - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE AION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD A GAME - USE CODE “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo CARAWAY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC HEALF - GET 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S BIOPTIMIZERS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4inFfd7 RHO NUTRITION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 GENETIC TEST: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:29 Dr. Daniel Pompa’s Journey 10:15 Cellular Inflammation Causes 25:14 Women’s Hormones and Metal Toxicity 32:13 Thyroid Symptoms 35:18 Cellular Inflammation Testing 38:26 How to Combat Mold Toxicity 47:47 Creating New Stem Cells 49:20 Impact of Fasting and Diets 57:23 How to Make Fasting Work for You 1:04:30 Human Genome Project 1:08:14 The Concept of Hormesis 1:16:11 What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Living my life the way I was was scarier to me than dying. Like most people, I was digging for answers. God led me to the answer and I started just putting the pieces together.

• 0:10Gary Brecka?

  When things don't make sense on the labs, modern medicine just gives up.

• 0:13Speaker 00

  If there's an epidemic or a pandemic, it is hormone resistance. We really need to be considering, how do we get ourselves more sensitive to hormones?

• 0:22Gary Brecka?

  The body has an incredible ability to bounce back from absolute abuse.

• 0:27Speaker 00

  If you remove the interference, the body heals. Everything's about survival. More is not better and potentially even devastating for you. The key is adaptation. And if you don't adapt, you end up causing more inflammation later.

• 0:39Gary Brecka?

  How do I embark on a cellular anti-inflammatory journey?

• 0:46Speaker 00

  All my cellular work that I teach comes down to.

• 1:01Gary Brecka?

  Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Today, we have a really, really special guest on the podcast today. Someone I'm actually proud to call a friend. His family is biohacking in my rooms in the background.

• 1:23Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:25Gary Brecka?

  We've got somebody in a hockey machine, somebody in a hydrogen bath, somebody in a red light bed. But Dr. Daniel Pompa is an incredible guest, probably best known for his books on cellular healing and beyond fasting. But what I really appreciate and like are the healers that didn't just start out on a journey to be a healer, they started out on a very personal journey. When they start out on a journey to heal themselves and solve a personal problem, I think that you find a very, very special type of healer, someone who introspectively really understands the journey of the people that they're trying to help and the patients that they're working with. So, Dr. Pompa, I'm excited to have you on the podcast, man. Thank you for coming today.

• 2:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 2:12Gary Brecka?

  You know, I'd really like to, I mean, we're going to get into a lot of the specifics of, you know, just what Beyond Fasting is and, and, and your cellular healing diet and some of your, you know, your supplementation that you teach physicians to use to really get to the root cause of disease. But what I want to talk about first is your own personal journey. And ironically, we last connected at the Sentner.

• 2:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, Leila's clinic, yeah.

• 2:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. And, and, and what I love about Lea, I love the Sentner family.

• 2:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39Gary Brecka?

  Just in general, for the entire mission that they stand for.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  World changers, world changers.

• 2:42Gary Brecka?

  World changers. I mean, their school.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44Gary Brecka?

  And the Sentner for Healing, which is here in Miami.

• 2:48Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 2:48Gary Brecka?

  And I went to the grand opening of that, but she had a very similar, you know, personal journey and is now out there to find people that are on a similar journey and help them heal. So tell us a little bit about your journey as, you know, as a physician.

• 3:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was all the way back in 1999, 2000, where I just got sick. I, I mean, I'd say, you know, fatigue, just like most people. I was training at that time. I was doing a lot of miles, 250, 300 miles on a bike, racing at the expert level, lifting weights, very busy practice. Two young boys at the time. So I thought I was just burning out, honestly, or, you know, at least over training. So I, like most people, I cut back on the training. Didn't help. I, I took off two weeks, which is, you know, unheard of when you're doing things like that, right?

• 3:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 3:36Speaker 00

  Two weeks. Oh, surely I'll come back and feel good. I didn't. And then it went into headaches. Then it went into insomnia, where I would wake up middle of the night, couldn't get back to sleep, couldn't get to sleep. The fatigue kept getting worse and the anxiety kept getting worse. And then gut problems started, which I never had. So you start chasing, you know, running from different foods. Is it this? Is it that? And then I just like, even like weird panic attacks, irritability, anger, cell sensitivity. Believe me, I'm brushing over it. I, it got very, very bizarre in the symptoms. And like most people, right? I, I chased it, right? My thyroid, it must be that because I had every symptom for thyroid issues, even my hair thinning. And adrenals were fried, I knew that. So I was trying to address those. And some things would get better, but most things were actually

• 4:20Speaker 00

  getting worse. And so. I started going to different doctors looking for answers and you know, many of them.

• 4:26Gary Brecka?

  And you're running a practice yourself during.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  I was barely. I mean, honestly, I you know, it's bad when you look at your book and hope everyone's cancelling. Like you just look at it and say, okay, there's not that many people coming in today. Thank God. But you know, I like most people, I was digging for answers, you know, going to different doctors. I remember running $5,000 worth of blood work, went to the top toxicologist Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh. Surely they're going to find something. Honestly, if they told me I had cancer, I'd be like, okay, at least I have something. Because no one's telling me anything and now I can fight something, right? He came back and he looked at me and his exact words were, you're healthier than me, son. So of course, you know, at that point, you look at you like you're crazy, right? So, uh, yeah, that, that was not the response I wanted.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  But I was looking, I was digging for stuff. I did a mercury test, blood test, because I found Mad Hatter's disease online. And I had every symptom. Do you remember what that is?

• 5:23Gary Brecka?

  I remember what that is where the hat makers would actually get mercury through their skin.

• 5:27Speaker 00

  That's right. Yeah. And it was part of the process that they use to attenuate different molds and that and the felt that they were using. But I had every symptom. I was mad as a hatter. So when it got the blood work back, I was disappointed. It was negative. Fast forward now, I was working with a very bright endocrinologist. He said, Dan, I think you have mercury toxicity. And I said, I thought so too. And I did this test. He says, well, that's the wrong test. If you were a mad hatter, you'd have poison, acute mercury poisoning, meaning getting exposed just daily, like the people making hats. It would show up in the blood, but I don't think that's it. I think it's more chronic. It won't show up in the blood or the urine. So he told me, challenge it out. It'll give you some reflection, but I think it's more brain mercury.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  And I did that. And sure enough, there was an odd pattern of all metals. And so I said.

• 6:15Gary Brecka?

  What test was that?

• 6:16Speaker 00

  So it was a urine challenge using a water soluble chelator like DMSA or DMPS. And it's good because it goes through the urine. There's, there's no perfect test for mercury. Uh, it's because the mercury that really affects us is deep in the tissue in the brain. And when it is that deep without biopsy, you know, you're oftentimes not going to see it. As a matter of fact, some of your most sick people from mercury or any heavy metal, oftentimes it looks like zero in the urine. So to answer your question, what test did I do? So doing a challenge with a water soluble chelator and then looking at the urine, it's a reflection possibly of what's in the brain. And so, you know, there was, you

• 6:59Speaker 00

  know, an answer because I had a lot of heavy metals that absolutely shouldn't have been there.

• 7:03Gary Brecka?

  Wow. So you did this test, you find, you know, you find the mercury and other metals, which could have been like one of those Perry Mason tada moments like, okay, now I've got an enemy at least.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  True.

• 7:18Gary Brecka?

  And then, so talk about how you, what did you do afterwards? How did you go down this journey?

• 7:23Speaker 00

  The thing about it is if you go look online, I mean, keep in mind, this was back in 1999 or early 2000s at this point, you know, because I started getting sick in 99. But so imagine this being 2003, not a lot online, right?

• 7:38Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, not a lot online now.

• 7:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's true. But even still, it was still chaos and confusion, you know, meaning I would look and find contradicting information everywhere. I mean, it's like very confusing. So literally I started reading studies, dyslexic as a child, so I'm good at that. And I started digging and then I started calling the scientists. I started, you know, literally, you know, doing the homework to that level. And I started just putting the pieces together. And I honestly say this, I, I went down a lot of false, you know, bad roads, right? Roads that at least led to nowhere. And I learned things, but I'm telling you, God led me to the answer. And in my story, and I always have to give credit here, in my story.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  We had two young boys at the time and people, you know, sick and challenged and not knowing what's wrong, I understand it's a huge stress on the other spouse or loved one.

• 8:33Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, family.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  And, you know, my wife crying out for answers for me and the family and the kids, because oftentimes she had to take the kids out of the house because I couldn't even handle the noise.

• 8:42Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 8:42Speaker 00

  And, yeah, and, you know, I didn't want to live. I mean, it wasn't like I planned suicide, but living my life the way I was was scarier to me than dying.

• 8:52Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 8:53Speaker 00

  You know, because that's how horrible the feeling was. And again, it's hard to even put words to. And sometimes I don't even remember until I bring things up and I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's like I get goosebumps and teary eyed when I think about certain things like how I was with my kids. I wasn't a good dad. I wasn't, I became someone I wasn't.

• 9:11Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  And that's where, but my wife always reminded me, you know, because at one point I said, you think I'm just crazy? And she says, no, you know, you were normal and now you're not. But she was on her knees crying out to God for answers and God spoke to her heart, not an audible voice, spoke to her heart as she says, as clear as day, not only am I going to get him well, meaning me, but he's going to take a message to the world.

• 9:36Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 9:37Speaker 00

  And I wouldn't be on this podcast if that wasn't true.

• 9:39Gary Brecka?

  Dude, I got goosebumps on that. You see what I mean about a personal journey having an impact on somebody's passion and purpose?

• 9:44Speaker 00

  And by the way, though, I have to say this, when she would say that to me, I didn't want to hear it. I would get very angry at her because my response was, I can't even get myself well. Don't put that on me.

• 9:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Right. But not seeing, obviously, what God saw, you know, I've been teaching doctors now what I learned in that battle.

• 10:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 10:03Speaker 00

  For over 20 years. And now taking it directly to the person looking for answers, because that was me.

• 10:08Gary Brecka?

  And I want to talk about that battle and that journey. So is this what led to the Cellular Healing Diet? Is this where you?

• 10:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, you know, you start to put some things together to down-regulate inflammation, right? And all my cellular work that I teach comes down to what is driving cellular inflammation, which is driving hormone resistance. One of the things that I realized is my blood levels of hormones were normal, even though I knew they weren't functioning right. I knew my testosterone wasn't functioning, or I knew my thyroid hormone. But when my blood work kept coming back normal, what I learned later is I had so much inflammation of the cell. These toxins make their way into the membranes, right? The outer membrane, inner membrane. I don't want to confuse people with too much science. But when that membrane becomes inflamed, you can't get the good stuff in the cell. You can't get the toxins out.

• 11:01Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 11:02Speaker 00

  That cell becomes more and more toxic. Now genes start getting turned on, and the receptors to all your hormones are on the outer membrane, lipid rafts, right? Hormones have to connect to those, get themselves in the cell, or their message. And if that doesn't happen, because the cells are so toxically inflamed, then you don't feel well, despite what your blood levels look like.

• 11:24Gary Brecka?

  Because we're measuring hormones and other concentrations of nutrients in the serum of the blood, but we're not actually measuring. It's interesting. I stumbled upon this myself. I was actually watching a Joe Rogan podcast one time, and this guy was on, he was talking about high levels of B12, marginally high levels of B12 being linked to cancer. And I actually went and looked the study up, and it was actually the deficiency in intracellular B12 that was leading to the cancer. And it was high outside of the cell because of the lack of utilization. So this is kind of what you're referring to. And I think this is maybe why it escapes, let's just call it modern medicine, for lack of better words,

• 12:04Gary Brecka?

  and not to attack physicians that are trained to look at blood work. But you're looking at the serum concentration in the blood, and then you're assuming that the cellular metabolism is functioning.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  In toxic people, like I was. And by the way, when I went through this, I was a rare commodity, right? It's like now, my gosh, I mean, if you're in a room with 10 people, seven out of 10 have nerve- Some form of neurotoxic illness. You know this, you see it, right? And cellular inflammation driven by this problem creates hormone resistance. We understand it with insulin resistance. That means you have plenty of insulin in the blood, oftentimes too much. But to your point, but it can't get it in the cell. It's not, the receptors blocked. That's resistance, insulin resistance. Right. Thyroid resistance is happening too. So that's why when people go and say, okay,

• 12:57Speaker 00

  finally, my blood work is out of normal, right? Give it another 10 years, maybe five years, maybe mine would have been. They would have put me on a medication, made my blood work look normal, right? People out there watching this are going, yeah, that happened to me. And you're saying, I still don't feel well. You know, my hair is still thin. I still can't lose weight. I still have anxiety. I still, you know, it's like, it's because they improved your blood levels, but it's not getting, it's in the cell. Thyroid hormone has to get in the cell, hit the DNA, and all this wonderful things happen. You lose weight normal, you feel good, you have lasting energy, no brain fog. Right. Yeah. But the world today, honestly, if there's an epidemic, there are a pandemic, it is hormone resistance. Oh, my God. Yeah. So it's like, look, there's a time and a place, there's a time and a place to take a hormone, right?

• 13:42Speaker 00

  I mean, there's a time and a place to, to give those crutches. But we really need to be considering, how do we get our cells more sensitive to hormones? That's a whole nother topic. That's what I teach. That's how I got my life back. You know, and the other thing too, is one of the things, when I started reading studies about mercury, I started reading, most of it accumulates in different parts of the brain, which will drive different, you know, symptoms. One of the big places is the pituitary hypothalamus. Now, you and I know that controls your hormones, right? Your thyroid, your adrenals. That's the control tower. Your hypothalamus receives information from your body hormone levels. And then it tells the pituitary what it needs more or less of, right? There's this perfect balance going on. And that balance is determined by that control tower. Well, mercury accumulates there.

• 14:29Speaker 00

  You know, and by the way, people in moldy homes, biotoxic illness, people that have been in moldy homes even years ago, that hypothalamus, those receptors get blunted to different other

• 14:40Gary Brecka?

  Mycotoxins.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  Exactly. So again, there's the control tower that gets poisoned, our cells, our cell membranes are affected by these toxins and we're chasing the symptoms, either with supplements, natural things, or medications, or hormones, time and a place. But the point is, is you don't get a lasting result. You have to get to those causes.

• 15:00Gary Brecka?

  You know, and you know what we see in the, in clinical practice all the time is people with relatively statistically low levels of hormone with no signs of hormone disruption and no, plenty of energy, sleeping well, performing well, keeping lean body mass on, not bloating, no weight gain, no water retention, no brain fog, and then people with optimal levels of hormones that are having hormone deficiency symptoms.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 15:29Gary Brecka?

  And I, and I think this is a hallmark example of how that could occur. And when things don't make sense on the labs, I think, you know, and a lot of times, modern medicine just gives up.

• 15:39Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 15:40Gary Brecka?

  And they go, well, you know, you don't qualify for hormone therapy. You're male, your testosterone's at 750, your free testosterone's at 14, 15. This is all in your head. But no, I'm exhausted.

• 15:51Speaker 00

  It's all in their cells.

• 15:52Gary Brecka?

  I have no libido and I can't sleep and I got brain fog. And, and so if, if someone's watching this podcast and they're identifying, first of all, which I think a lot of my audience is going to identify with, you know, some of the challenges that you face, maybe not to the level, but they, they identify with some of those symptoms. Where do they start? Like, how do I embark on a cellular anti-inflammatory journey? I know it's got to start with diet and lifestyle, but like, what are some of the practices?

• 16:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, exactly. You know, my cellular healing diet was coined that just because I'm like, okay, let's control what we can control, right? That drives cellular inflammation, you know, vegetable and can oils, oils, get rid of those. I always tell when I go to restaurants, I'm allergic, right? I'm allergic to these. No, if you hear us order, we do that. I'll make exceptions and eat some gelato, a little bit, you know, it's like, but I don't make exceptions there. Those fats stay in your cell membranes for months, not hours, not days, but months, driving cellular dysfunction, inflammation, there's hormone receptors, blunts them. So

• 17:01Gary Brecka?

  It's also the sinister villain behind cholesterol. Cholesterol gets blamed for a lot of crimes it doesn't commit, but you know, when you introduce

• 17:07Speaker 00

  I'm a believer cholesterol is one of those important fats in the human body.

• 17:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I am too.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  But, uh, yeah, I mean, so the, you know, these avoiding, you ask where they start, like, let's stop, you know, the things that we know drive inflammation, right? And diet plays a role. But look, I think that we have to realize that toxins are the number one driver of cellular inflammation, cellular dysfunction. And, you know, that's what I started teaching. My five Rs is a roadmap that I started teaching. There's a story about this, right? So of how to fix the cell, because my point is, is that real detox is a cellular issue, right? Meaning that, you know, there's things we can do. Saunas are great. You and I love them. We're all these bio hacks. We do them, right? But if you don't up regulate cell function, then you're never truly going to have

• 17:56Speaker 00

  a lasting detox effect. The reason is because day in, day out, your cells are detoxing. When you make energy just to live, to think ATP is

• 18:05Gary Brecka?

  It's a dirty process.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  It's right. It's a dirty process. Like burning wood in a fireplace. It makes smoke. If that damper's not open, that smoke's backing up in the house. You and your family die from the smoke, not the flames, right? Well, that's the cell. When that cell's inflamed, those toxins that your cells making become endogenous, meaning inside your cell, now you've got a toxic problem inside your cell. Real detox is fixing that. That cell has different pathways that need to be fixed if you're going to have a lasting result. There's a story behind the five Rs. Um, I was lecturing to a group of doctors in California and I was so excited. I was explaining to them that, look, this is real detox. This is what's broken. This is why people don't feel well. This is why people's

• 18:49Speaker 00

  Aren't working. This is why. And I'm going through it. And you've lectured to enough audiences to know when you have them and when you don't, when they understand and when they don't. I left there so discouraged. I literally sat on the airplane like they missed it. And I was the only excited one in the room, right? It's like, yeah, that was

• 19:04Gary Brecka?

  I find that all the time.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  That was a bad experience. So literally, I literally started praying because I'm like, I just, there's gotta be a way. And then the five R, I'm telling you, I got it. An idea, picked up my notebook. The five Rs was born. What is it? I don't want to lose people in the science, but our number one is the obvious. You have to remove the sources. And I think today, we're missing a lot of sources of why people don't feel well. So let's circle back to that. Our number two is regenerating the cell membranes. I already explained that the hormone receptors are in the membranes. Your mitochondrial membranes is where we make energy, you know, the nuclear membrane. So you have these membranes that get inflamed, these membranes that determine, there's a saying, it's not my saying, life and death begins on the membranes.

• 19:48Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:48Gary Brecka?

  And I would, I believe that.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I would ultimately say, well, you know, Bruce Lipton, I'm sure you probably interviewed him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he showed the intelligence, the innate intelligence. That means the inborn intelligence in the human body literally is in the membrane. That's what he determined. It's in these integral membrane proteins, right? It's like, he's spot on, right? We used to think it was in the nucleus. No, it's not in the nucleus. If you take the nucleus out, and he showed this, out of a cell, the cell lives on, and it even does its functions. It's a white blood cell. It will go after bad guys, right? But if you destroy with enzymes, these hormone receptors in the membrane, dead, instant death, right? So life and death is in the membranes. And that's our two. If we don't regenerate them, we're never going to get well. You're not even going to

• 20:33Speaker 00

  get the good stuff in your cell and the bad stuff out. It doesn't matter what supplements you take, what diet you eat. So we have to fix the membranes. Our three is restoring cellular energy.

• 20:43Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  If you don't restore cellular energy, this is one parallel. There's something called the Gibbs free energy equation. That means that you need a certain amount of ATP, two molecules to make one molecule of glutathione. And glutathione is how your body deals

• 20:59Speaker 00

  With oxidation and inflammation and detoxification pathway, right? It's how it's getting things out of the cell and renewing things, right? So, energy drops, glutathione drops, but here's what the equation says. Inflammation goes up.

• 21:11Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  So now, we're in this perpetual cycle, you see? And then, our four is, you have to reduce inflammation. And, you know, a lot of dietary things that we're talking about.

• 21:21Gary Brecka?

  These are sequential, these are all the things that you need to do.

• 21:23Speaker 00

  No, you work them as you can, you know, but, and then lastly, our five, and this is a topic you love, methylation.

• 21:29Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  Methylation, glutathione and methylation parallel each other. One's down, the other's down, one's up, the other's up. They parallel each other. And, uh, the energy pathway is methylation. Obviously, DNA, genes getting triggered, turned on and off. We have to reestablish, and that's the R, reestablish methylation. And look, I, you know, I know you, you know, you do a lot of.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  That's a fit, that's your R, right there. You know a lot about it, you do, and I, I appreciate that because people need to hear the message. But, when people are sick and challenged, they often say, because you do a lot of the genetic testing, I'm always like, look, I, I just assume you're methyl depleted. Because people that are sick and toxic, I don't care what your SNP is, your genetic, your gene, you are depleted in methylation when you're neurotoxically challenged and not well. So, no matter what, we have to reestablish it. And, uh, you know, obviously, it's a big deal. There's a principle, you should find this gentleman, and I always give him credit for it. Um, his name is, uh, Veninsky, Alan Veninsky, Dr. Alan Veninsky. The methylation priority principle.

• 22:35Gary Brecka?

  Methylation priority principle?

• 22:37Speaker 00

  Yes, and here's, here's the principle, and I, and people are gonna get a good lesson. What it shows is, first of all, all stress, physical, chemical, or emotional, deplete methyl groups, simple carbon and three hydrogen because, many reasons, that, you need that carbon and three hydrogens methyl group to activate a stress response. You need it to turn off the stress response. Cortisol, adrenaline, all of it, right? It's survival. The priority is, it will use methyl, methyl groups for that survival mechanism, first and foremost. Here's the problem.

• 23:10Gary Brecka?

  The stress mechanism.

• 23:10Speaker 00

  That's right, the stress mechanism. So it's prioritizing methylation to that. Now, we also know that you need methylation to get rid of toxic hormones. Four hydroxyestrogen, that can drive cancer and all these. So when you do a 24 hour urine hormone, you oftentimes see people who have dangerous levels of four hydroxy estrogen and or 16. And then their methylation is depleted.

• 23:34Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 23:34Speaker 00

  And

• 23:35Gary Brecka?

  That's why even on the Dutch test, you see that the

• 23:36Speaker 00

  That's the Dutch test.

• 23:37Gary Brecka?

  COMT, you'll see that kind of old methyltransferase. Gene mutation is actually on there right down by the E2 pathway.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 23:44Gary Brecka?

  It says, you know, is this working or is it not?

• 23:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, and by the way, people that stress bucket, physical, chemical, emotional, and it's at the top or overflowing. Meaning, yeah, a lot of toxic stress. The body, I said this once, I'll say it again, the body doesn't know the difference of stress. Physical, chemical, or emotional. Once it builds up and that bucket is full, your methylation is being tagged. So the methylation priority principle is we're shoveling it to there. And what problem is, is now we're not protecting our DNA. Now we're not making proteins. Now we're not getting rid of toxic estrogen or toxic hormones or antigens. So, you know, that, that's a principle that I learned from him many, many years ago.

• 24:26Gary Brecka?

  I'm actually going to look that up.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:27Gary Brecka?

  Methylation priority principle.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 24:29Gary Brecka?

  Methylation.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, you'll, you'll love it. So Alan Vininsky.

• 24:32Gary Brecka?

  Alan.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  Credit.

• 24:33Gary Brecka?

  Vininsky. All right, Alan, I'm coming to give you some credit and I'm reading your book if you've got one.

• 24:38Speaker 00

  Interview.

• 24:38Gary Brecka?

  All right. And I'll interview you. You know, I, I've had a lot of guests on the podcast and I get a lot of requests. I mean, recently, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon was, was on the podcast and she actually, someone posted on her social media that I have a tendency and we have a tendency as biohackers. And she was actually absolutely right about this to, to be men, to talk about men, to service men, to always talk about male hormones and, and the journey that a lot of men have been on. I want to sort of transition this to the females for a moment and female hormone therapy and pre-menopause, perimenopausal women, post-menopausal women.

• 25:20Gary Brecka?

  How much of this cellular inflammatory cycle and these, these five Rs are affecting women that are pre or post-menopausal?

• 25:31Speaker 00

  More, yeah. Yeah. Perimenopause, a lot of things happen, right? And women are hormonally more complex than men in a good way. It can work, it can work for them, live longer.

• 25:43Gary Brecka?

  I've seen both sides of that equation in my house.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Exactly, absolutely. Yeah, okay, now we gotta keep the ladies with us here. There's an answer, but more women are affected by autoimmune. More women have thyroid complications.

• 25:56Gary Brecka?

  That's clear too.

• 25:57Speaker 00

  And let's talk about why, but after COVID, more women, I think 54%, ridiculous number of women ended up with thyroid strain, struggle, diagnosacy. I was like, wow, you know, because again, what happened in COVID, very odd virus. If your stress bucket was already really full, many people became what we call long haulers post-COVID.

• 26:21Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 26:22Speaker 00

  And I think it's like one out of six now, people are saying, I just still don't feel well since. Right? Maybe of the therapies from it, or who knows?

• 26:29Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  But, you know, the complicating factors.

• 26:31Gary Brecka?

  Solution created a lot of problems.

• 26:33Speaker 00

  But, look, a few things happen. In perimenopause, your hormones are adjusting. It's actually very normal to remodel bone. Estrogen levels are naturally coming down and you start to, women start to lose bone. A lot of lead is stored in the bone, matter of fact, most of it. Many women dump lead. I'll tell you another time that happens during pregnancy. It's normal to lose bone during pregnancy, but out comes the lead. Four generations inherited lead in utero, four generations.

• 27:05Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, so, and we also inherit the epigenetics, the genes being turned on. But meaning, if your mom had lead, then you do in four generations.

• 27:17Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 27:18Speaker 00

  And this has happened to my wife. My wife during perimenopause started getting different weird hormone things going on, right? And we weren't just going to chase it with hormones. So we started digging. We did the Dutch test. Okay. And her methylation was tanked. And we started and she had a buildup of four hydroxy esterone. Her mother died. Four hydroxy esterone is a toxic, potentially toxic estrogen metabolite. Very good at binding water, too, which promotes women. And we know it can drive cancer, particularly breast cancer. Her mother had breast cancer. Wow. Went about treating it, you know, standard way through medicine, chemo, et cetera, ended up. Well, she was considered a cure. And then 10 years later, because I said, Joyce, you didn't

• 28:00Speaker 00

  really get to the cause of what's going on, you know, at that time I wasn't even sure. But 10 years later, she ended up diagnosed with uterine cancer. Two years later, she died. My wife was heading down the same exact road hormonally. Wow. Well, we were trying to support her methylation in every way possible, and it just wasn't coming up. And long story short, we did a heavy metal test, same test I did. Her lead was off the chart. I mean, off the chart, Gary, literally off the chart. And so I started reflecting my son, who had these GI problems. Was she having the symptoms of, of metal toxicity? Yeah, exactly. And some hormone things and like, you know, lead has a little pattern different than mercury. Right. She didn't have the same symptoms I had, but a lot of joint pain.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, mercury is fear, dude. I was bloated with fear, anger, irritability, anxiety, you know, horrible. Feeling of dread in the middle of the night. I would wake up just with a feeling of dread. You know, horrible depression, you know, I had it all. So I became someone I wasn't. But my wife's symptoms were different. So my son had these GI issues and we ate perfect diet, fed our kids amazing, tested his lead off the chart. My ex one, which we called the banshee, and he had these skin things off the chart. They got their lead from the mother, she got her lead from the mother. I'm saying this to say like, look, it's normal to lose bone. Out comes the lead. You know, mercury, same thing. There's a study called the Drash study.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  It's a German study that showed, sorry ladies, but the number of silver fillings that you have or your mom is proportional to how much they found in the baby's brain on autopsy studies. Wow. And that's very, very accurate because these are, you know, autopsies from, you know, dead fetuses. And the amount of mercury correlated to the amount of fillings in the mom. These amalgamate fillings. Yeah, so we're born into some of these toxins. My point is, is that bucket that I'm talking about starts filling in utero. And then through life, you know, what Moly Holmes did you live in? What, you know, what other exposures? Contact lens fluid. If you look at my story, I wore contact lenses in the seventies, eighties and early nineties. So I wore them when they were new. Okay.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  But the saline solution had mercury in it. Wow. Yeah, so that's been banned in the nineties, but it went right into our brains, right? And of course I had my own set of fillings, right? So mercury was going right. Those fillings contain 50% mercury. They vaporize mercury. Despite what anyone says, they vaporize mercury for the life of that filling into the brain. Mercury vapor crosses the blood brain barrier, turns the inorganic mercury and there it's locked for life. Oh, it's a forever chemical. Part of my process that I teach, passion, that's how I got my life back, is how do we get this inorganic mercury that has a half life longer than we live out of the brain? That's a process. I believe I have the only safe and effective way on the planet to do it.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  And of course now, Gary, now, okay, if you put mercury and aluminum together, opposing metals like that, they have a higher lethal dose value. Simply put, if you put them in a study, they kill, yeah, they right, they kill more rats, right? It's like in smaller amounts together than they do one higher than the other. Okay. So aluminum and mercury, you know where we're getting crushed with aluminum right now? And I know there's a lot of conspiracy in our air. They've put aluminum as one of the additives in jet fuel to make it more efficient. Dollars and cents. They're saving, my view. We can make jets fly longer on jet fuel. We're going to save billions of dollars. Problem is aluminum is one of, so it's

• 31:33Speaker 00

  creating, coming down as acid rain in our water and our food. We're being crushed with aluminum. Aluminum, the mercury exposures, you wonder why we have a world full of brain fogged people, you know, heading for neurological disaster.

• 31:47Gary Brecka?

  I have a point one micron air filter in every room in my house. There's one right there.

• 31:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, no, yeah, because I mean, we are exposed. Whether you like it or not, when you go outside on certain days, you're going to be exposed to higher levels of aluminum. But regardless, it's in the water, you're filtering all your water. So am I. But how many people aren't? And then you wonder why we have an explosion. I mean, even the last 20 years of thyroid conditions, I mean, just skyrocketing.

• 32:13Gary Brecka?

  Insane.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, we know mercury and aluminum affects thyroid. The thyroid's the canary in the coal mine, meaning it's the most sensitive to neurotoxins. And we date ourselves a bit, but the canary in the coal mine means that they literally, in the old days, they didn't have the sophisticated equipment to like, you know,

• 32:29Gary Brecka?

  I happen to know what that means.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, I knew you did. I don't know if they do.

• 32:33Gary Brecka?

  Mike Cameraman don't.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. You guys know what that means? Yeah. No, see, they're saying, no, canary in a coal mine. They literally brought a canary down into the coal mine. If the canary died, they said, we only have like so much time to get out because the canary was that sensitive. And they use canaries in the coal mine. Thyroid is the canary in the coal mine, meaning it's the first to go. So if people suffering from thyroid symptoms, and again, you have thyroid dysfunction years, years, Brody Barnes says 10 to 20 years before you actually have a blood test that shows you're out. So that means you're having the dry skin, the brittle nails, the hair thinning, the low energy, the brain fog, constipation, all those are thyroid symptoms. You have that before your blood work goes out, right?

• 33:18Gary Brecka?

  Probably going back to your receptor sensitivity discussion where it's actually, you know, the receptor desensitization starts, which actually makes the hormone level less

• 33:27Gary Brecka?

  And now you're and then eventually your hormone levels give way.

• 33:31Speaker 00

  Goes down. Yeah. Right. But then we go to our doctor and then he puts us on a medication, makes our blood work look normal. And we go, we go back in a couple of months and he says, well, you should be feeling better. And you're going, yeah, I'm not. Yeah. Okay. I might have a little more energy. I might be, but yeah, I'm not feeling better. Last, it's because they didn't deal with the cell, right? My saying is you have to fix the cell to get well. If you don't do that today, because that's why people don't feel well, despite diet change, despite taking hormones, despite, name the list, the supplements they take. That message was not even hitting 20 years ago. Right. Now it's like, yeah, that's me. You know, I'm doing all that. I still don't feel well. It's a cellular issue. You have to upregulate those pathways. And then now we can

• 34:15Speaker 00

  get our cells functioning. Now all the stuff works. Now your supplements works, your diet works, you start losing weight again. So anyway, that's.

• 34:22Gary Brecka?

  I love that. So we, you know, so for females, you know, that are, that are menopausal and they're actually starting to, they look at their hormone profile and everything seems normal. But, you know, they really just don't feel well emotionally, physically, they're not sleeping well. They've got the, you know, the classic water retention that we call the estrogen band, but they got the classic estrogen band, they've got brain fog. And, and once in a while, and I see this profile come through our clinics all the time. They'll say, there are just days where I have crushing fatigue and other days where I'm just tired. And then once in a while, I feel normal.

• 35:02Gary Brecka?

  But it's, it's, it's occasional. So where does that woman start filtering her air, filtering her water? Because she's not going to get a standard hormone panel because that's going to tell the same story that you were talking about. Exactly. What are some of the ways that they can test for some of these toxic levels of metals or mycotoxins? Hi guys, Gary here. I want to take a few minutes of your time to invite you to my ultimate human VIP community. This is a private community with front row seats to my most advanced health protocols, exclusive monthly Q and A calls, a private podcast where you can ask my guests and me, your most pressing questions. And questions and my own personal wellness blueprints and everything you need to optimize your health. You'll connect with like-minded folks in this community. You'll get firsthand

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• 36:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, look, I always start with a simple test. I did a webinar that's free online. People can watch it.

• 36:30Gary Brecka?

  By the way, I'm going to put links to all of these in the show notes. I'm going to put links to Beyond fasting and the cellular healing diet.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  If they go to pompa program.com, there's a webinar there that's free. And it's what I taught doctors, same information I taught doctors for 20 years. And I explained this, right? But I always say, start with a simple cellular inflammation test, where you measure melon delta high. It looks at basically membrane oxidation, which is a reflection. It's better than a CRP for specifically what we're looking for.

• 37:00Gary Brecka?

  Right. C reactive protein is just a general.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  General inflammation, right? And you know, as well as I do, unless you're in a really sick state, most people will come back pretty normal, right? Even though we have an optimal range, but the cellular inflammation is way more sensitive. And yours would be under three. It would be very good. You know, but most people today, it's not. And that will be like, oh yeah, well, that's why my hormone receptors, that's why my hormones are working. That's why. So we start people there. And then You know, what we do from the test is, okay, meet with someone, then you, you know, help people look at their lives and identify what I call their perfect storm. So, think about this. Everybody out there, when we see someone's bucket overflow and they say, now I'm fatigued.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Now, you know, all the symptoms we're talking about, the anxiety, the depression, the, you know, you name it, the hormone challenges. Basically, they, they get to the point where, like I said, the bucket overflows, but there was three stressors that came together. So I have people try to figure out what those stressors are. Meaning, we want it to be one thing. I did have mercury toxicity, but I was also living in a low-grade moldy home. I was also doing 300 miles on my bike. Physical stress, mold, biotoxic stress.

• 38:16Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  And mercury is another stress. Boom, my bottom fell out. The perfect storm, you remember the movie, We're Dating Ourselves Again, George Clooney, three weather fronts come together. It was, that was the eight, was that eighties or nineties?

• 38:28Gary Brecka?

  Hopefully it was the nineties, because it feels like it was yesterday.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, right, I know, it's so true, yeah. George Clooney, it kind of looks the same, but anyway, three weather fronts come together, catastrophic storm.

• 38:38Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  That's what we see.

• 38:39Gary Brecka?

  They were all rotating the same direction, so similar kind of what you're saying.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  Boom, intensity builds up, yeah. So when we're, when we're evaluating people, we're looking for that perfect storm of three stressors. And then we say, okay, what can we do to get rid of those three stressors? And then, we can really get to the solution. So, let's talk cause, I said our number one, let's circle back to it. I, I think that functional medicine has taken a turn to the left. Maybe, maybe not such a good turn, meaning, we were really excited about a lot of expensive tests, but ultimately, it's moved further away from getting to the real causes, right? So if I didn't get to the mercury in my brain, I wouldn't have got my life back. If I didn't remove the fillings that were pushing mercury into my brain, I wouldn't have got my life back here. Yeah, and if, if you're still living in a moldy home, unknowing, I know you don't smell

• 39:27Speaker 00

  it, you probably had an air test done, all came back normal, right? But that doesn't mean you're not living in a moldy home, right? Mold is very difficult to test for.

• 39:35Gary Brecka?

  It's also cyclical, I'm finding out too now, like you can spore and then, and then sort of become dormant, and then it can sporulate again. So if you actually happen to be during, it's like hair, you know, it has a growth phase in it, shedding phase. And, you know, mold has a similar phases, I don't, I don't profess to be an expert on mold by any means, but I did, as I've had more mold toxicity. Clients and I've been working with Dr. Minkoff in Tampa. And one of the things I've come to understand is that, yeah, mold actually cycles too. So people will test their home and they're like, hey, I tested negative for mold.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  And well, look, they're doing it.

• 40:11Gary Brecka?

  All the mold toxicity.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  Ninety eight percent of all air tests come back negative, right? And it's like mold's behind the walls or it's somewhere and some molds don't even spore a lot like stacky botrys.

• 40:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, we're the mold capital of the world right here in Miami. Miami and Malibu.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:25Gary Brecka?

  California.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:26Gary Brecka?

  Listen up if you live in Malibu.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  You know what it is too? It's a lot of the HVACs. So when I walk into a building, because I have a nose for it and I'm sensitive to it now. I walk in, I go mold. I turn around, walk out because the HVACs, they build up mold in the coil. Long story, but so it doesn't have to be behind the walls. Oftentimes it is in a HVAC, especially in humid areas. The point is, is that many, many people are sick because they're in a moldy home. You know, one of the symptoms are nasty weight loss resistance or all of a sudden they gain weight. Hormone dysfunction like crazy because biotoxins, we're not talking about a mold allergy here. You know, there's mold allergies. You're allergic to the mold spore, but we're talking about the biotoxin.

• 41:08Gary Brecka?

  The actual mycotoxin.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Right, the actual mycotoxin, which is a nasty, nasty neurotoxin. Meaning it gets into the nerve tissue like mercury and it makes people really sick. You know, you get a certain set of symptoms, frequent urination at night, frequent urination period. You get the insomnia, the anxieties, the inability to lose weight because it affects the leptin receptors in the hypothalamus. But the bottom line is you might be in a moldy home. If we don't get to that cause and today, to your point, the way we're building homes is we're, we have a problem. You go to Europe, thousand year old buildings, they don't have mold. Why? It's the way they built the buildings compared to we are.

• 41:50Gary Brecka?

  Their circulation.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, circulation, exactly. We have drywall which has mold food on it. I mean, you know, drywall, it has paper. All you have to do is add water and you will have mold because the mold's here.

• 42:03Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's just makes no sense, but we're still building homes.

• 42:06Gary Brecka?

  I remember the big issue we had in, in, in southeast and southwest Florida with Chinese drywall.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:12Gary Brecka?

  Called the Chinese drywall.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Toxic.

• 42:13Gary Brecka?

  And it was absolutely, I mean, people were getting. Violently ill. I was actually in one of those homes where we actually had to, our builder had to, uh, it was a community in Naples called the Sari. And our builder had to come in and remediate.

• 42:27Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:28Gary Brecka?

  Beautiful home and, and they had to literally come in and rip it down to the studs. And then, uh, ozone it and, and put the drywall back. But the, the exposure to some of these, so, air filtration, things like, you know, ozone, um, filtration systems, things like that, that we can actually put into our homes to really filter our air. Um, and try to, you know, I always tell people they should, they should build a, uh, an imaginary fence around themselves and begin to filter things before it gets to their body.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 42:59Gary Brecka?

  Where else your, your, your temple's going to be the filter. So we can, we can filter our water before it gets to the temple, or we can let our temple filter out the fluoride, the chlorine, the microbiotics.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  When we walk outside, we get aluminum exposures and other exposures, right? I mean, multiple exposures. Uh, glyphosate, another chemical they're spraying on our food. It's in 60% of the rain. So we better control our environment we can control, right? Where we're spending 14 hours a day, 20 hours a day, who knows? But, you know, that's what we have to control. So your point, you have to filter your water. You have to filter your air. Uh, and look, I, I know these things, you know, there's a price to it, but what's the price to your health, right?

• 43:36Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  You know, you, you, and, and people out there, don't just run and get your fillings out. There's a proper way to do that.

• 43:43Gary Brecka?

  Biological gas.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  And then remember it's bioaccumulated in the brain. That's my process. We have to get it out of the deep tissue, lead out of the bone, mercury and aluminum out of the brain. You know, there's a process, but you asked the question, what can you do? You have to control the input of these things. Here's a great analogy. If we had a bathtub upstairs, all of a sudden overflowing, that's the symptoms we don't like, right? Here's the, the, all the things, the damage being caused, right? That's the autoimmune condition, the thyroid condition, the diabetes, whatever condition it is you're diagnosed with or symptoms you don't like. And we can open up the drain, but if the water's flowing in more than the drain can drain, because it's only this big, then we're not going to get well. We're going to still have damage happening until we slow down. We probably, we don't, we don't have to turn it all the

• 44:27Speaker 00

  way up, but if we slow down what's going in, that's your responsibility.

• 44:30Gary Brecka?

  The toxic load.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  And then we can now open up the pathways. And I argue we have to do that at the cellular level. You have to open up these pathways. We have to get our cells, if your cells are healthy, if your cells are able to do what God designed them to do, we're able to combat it.

• 44:45Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 44:45Speaker 00

  I'm not saying it's perfect. You know, we're overexposed today.

• 44:49Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  But you have to get your cells doing what they were designed to do day in, day out.

• 44:54Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  And that's get rid of toxins. So let's pay more attention to that.

• 44:57Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Cause you know, very often I disagree with people that say, and I know it's a sort of a scientific law, the dosage determines the poison. But the truth is that sometimes the dosage doesn't determine the poison. It's the cumulative dosage that determines the poison.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  It bioaccumulates.

• 45:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  In our tissues.

• 45:11Gary Brecka?

  I mean, nobody ever got mercury poisoning from one piece of tuna fish.

• 45:13Speaker 00

  No.

• 45:13Gary Brecka?

  Right? I mean, they got mercury poisoning from microdosing, for lack of better words. So you can have a safe level of mercury or a safe level of arsenic or a safe level of lead. And there are levels that are considered safe of all of these things.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:25Gary Brecka?

  But if you're not, you know, if you're not eliminating these things from the body, then small accumulations eventually, which is why, you know, in Europe, very often for toxicity levels, they'll use cumulative, cumulative dose toxicity and say, hey, well, we can't allow this compound glyphosate, for example, because in cumulative doses, this is very toxic. Yeah. Somebody can eat some, you know, lettuce that has glyphosate on it and they'll be fine. But if they eat that lettuce every day.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  That's a problem.

• 45:54Gary Brecka?

  And it's also on their apples and their oranges and their pears and their, and their peppers and their vegetables and their produce. Well, now all of a sudden, the body can't eliminate that.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so.

• 46:03Gary Brecka?

  Safe dosage.

• 46:04Speaker 00

  And so you, you take in the toxic fish, the toxic lettuce, your body does what it does.

• 46:09Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Right? You know, and it gets rid of it because it's survival, right? It's processing it, you know, to the point you made, but then it's overwhelmed and it's more, then it's more like where we're at today, different even than 20 years ago.

• 46:20Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 46:20Speaker 00

  And now the pathways are breaking.

• 46:22Gary Brecka?

  And is it, would it be right to say it would take less to overwhelm it once it's in that state? So as soon as you hit the state of inflammation.

• 46:28Speaker 00

  Yes, absolutely.

• 46:29Gary Brecka?

  Now the small assault. Or it's like sunburned skin.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  Absolutely. You see the people who are like, when I was sick, Gary, I would sit next to someone with cologne on. It would ruin not just that day, it would ruin several days.

• 46:41Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  I mean, one sniff of mold would put me down. That's how sensitive I got. That's how filled my bucket was. I mean, wow, I couldn't hit. You know, I always like, I get two glasses of water, fill one to the like, the top, right at the edge. And then I fill one just a quarter of the way up, right? I can stress this one a lot. No problem. That's, that's where you're at, right? And me now. You know how many people are right at the edge? A little bit of stress and then all the damage, all the water overflow. We have to empty our buckets and then you can tolerate more. Then you can hit the fish. Then you can, you know, live a normal life because I hear it. I heard it from a guy just two days ago. He said, well, come on, aren't we just, you know, no matter what, there's toxin. I'm like, you're right. That's why you have to build up your capacity to deal with it. Otherwise,

• 47:25Speaker 00

  you're going to trigger a gene. You're going to end up with a thyroid condition. You're going to end up with brain fog, fatigue. It starts there, right? And then the bad, then the cancer diagnosis could come, right? I mean, once the cell gets more and more toxic, the DNA is going to get affected.

• 47:39Gary Brecka?

  So, so in your protocol, um, you know, one of the things that you talk about in your book that I find really fascinating is creating new stem cells. Um, and how does, how do we create new stem cells? Our stem cells are as old as we are. You're talking about releasing new stem cells? Cause I, I, you know, I, I'm fascinated by, I think the whole field of biologic stem cells, exosomes, natural killer cells, natural killer blood draws. I mean, this, this sort of whole area of biologic medicine.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  I, me too. I'm fascinated too.

• 48:13Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Um, so how does, how to, how does one go about increasing the number of their own stem cells without putting stem cells into their body?

• 48:21Speaker 00

  Without putting stem cells in the body. So the cheapest way.

• 48:24Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  Fasting. Yeah, look, I, I go.

• 48:27Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yes. I want to go down this road. I'm excited to go down this road.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I got into fasting in the 1990s. I had literally visited these like fasting clinics who extend, like do, you know, extended fasts with people, like 30 days, 50 days.

• 48:40Gary Brecka?

  We saw this this week, I just did a podcast. When did we do that? Three, four days ago? With Dr. Walter Longo.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Oh, I love Walter.

• 48:51Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, Walter's amazing. And I mean, he's, he's like beyond intelligent. But what he let me know about, and he talks about it on the podcast, is that he is about to release a series of three clinical studies. They're finished with the trial and they're publishing it. One on Alzheimer's and dementia and neurofibular tangles and amyloid plaques, one on type 2 diabetes, and another one on dementia. And the simplicity, for lack of better words, of using fasting to turn the power of the human body on these egregious neuroinflammatory conditions and things like diabetes. And he used the term, these are his words, not mine, these diseases are reversible.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  That's it.

• 49:36Gary Brecka?

  His words, not mine.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  His words.

• 49:37Gary Brecka?

  And he said, in this study, they're going to prove that. So, you know, I just took 55,000 people, I think I had for a three day water fast last month, and I took another 73,000 people through a three day breathwork challenge. But I want to go down this road of fasting.

• 49:53Speaker 00

  Look, fasting.

• 49:54Gary Brecka?

  You wrote a book on it.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, fasting's fascinating, you know, what happens. And to go back to answer your question, by the way, Walter is, you know, he really brought to the forefront, partial fasting, where you don't even have to just do pure water. Now, I'm a fan of both.

• 50:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  I learned.

• 50:11Gary Brecka?

  Fast mimicking.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, fasting mimicking diet, which basically is a partial fast. That means reducing protein and calories down below to a certain point. Protein typically under 20 grams, calories somewhere under 1,000, depending on body size.

• 50:25Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, talking about right.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it works. I learned that type of fasting from a French gentleman. And he, you know, read his books and his articles. And because I noted that some people just, fasting's a stress. And if you violate the premise of hormesis, meaning if you don't adapt to a stress, it becomes negative. So, and we could talk about that with the biohacks. But what it is, what happens during this stress is the body goes. Goes into a survival mode and it starts crush it's smart enough to get rid of the bad senescent cells. These are cells that live too long, drive inflammation, age you prematurely, right? Cause all kinds of trouble. Zombie cells, they're called, right? Senescent cells. The body's smart

• 51:07Speaker 00

  enough to go after those and it goes after those to get the nutrition that it needs for survival. It's fascinating, but it's so smart that it not only gets rid of, if it gets rid of a bad one, it stimulates a stem cell. And that was your original question. And it remakes a new cell. So Walter, in one of his studies, he showed that when you're in a fasted state, your body's getting rid of these immunosynescent cells. So these are cells that live too long in your immune system. Those are really bad because it gives you low immunity. It causes you to have hyperimmunity, autoimmune, right? So we know that in a fasted state, it's getting rid of those and

• 51:50Speaker 00

  it's creating a new cell, which he calls a naive cell. Meaning, we're chill, we're not going after the bad guys and we're young, so we have great immunity. We're creating more of those guys. So, but you know, one thing that I loved about Walter, you'd mentioned the diabetes study that was first done in rats. He showed that it wasn't just one study. What they did in that study is once a month, they did a five day partial fast. Next month, five day partial fast. Next month, four months, I believe it was in that particular study. And they saw the beta cells in the pancreas regenerate.

• 52:21Gary Brecka?

  That's what he was saying. And they actually did. Now they've done it, repeated it in humans.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  Yes. And that's what he's working on right now.

• 52:26Gary Brecka?

  And I don't want to misquote it, but it's in the podcast, but I want to say he used large samples of patients and it was, it was randomized and it was placebo controlled. And um, one of the groups was over five, 500 patients. And, and the results were so profound that I think at one point they actually considered stopping the study. It seemed almost inhumane. But we're going to have randomized human clinical trials now from a world renowned.

• 52:55Gary Brecka?

  You know, researcher, and I think he's, he runs the longevity center at USC, USC Davis. And, and real, you know, instead of people having to make the extrapolation from rats into humans, which is amazing.

• 53:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, which they've been working on that. Volter has been a gift, you know, to this area.

• 53:16Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  When I was into fasting in the 90s, it was like me and some natural hygiene society people. I mean,

• 53:23Speaker 00

  let me tell you something. This is a, now I go to these seminars, right? Even the low carb events, right? Keto events, et cetera. And now I see people fasting too much.

• 53:34Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 00

  And they look gone. I mean, it's like, and because fasting is a stress, right? Too much is not good. Too much autophagy. Remember, autophagy, meaning your body's getting rid of the bad cells. We just talked about the benefit of that. But that can go too much. Where you're now into that catabolic state. It's a breakdown state. There's a pathway that anti-agers hate. It's called mTOR. Now, I disagree. I think mTOR, short term, is an incredible pathway where we build muscle, we build, rebuild ligaments, tendons, you know, it's a building pathway. To their point, if you stay in mTOR too long, they can prove in studies that you age prematurely. So, but, so everything that stimulates mTOR,

• 54:17Speaker 00

  elevated protein, this, that, they hate, they hate, they hate. Right. But, look, autophagy is at one end, mTOR is at the other. Too much autophagy? No good. People are fasting too much. It's not good. It's too much stress. And then you have the mTOR pathway. Too much of that? No good. You know, I teach in my premise, diet variation, meaning moving in and out of different diets. Every culture, healthy culture on the planet did this. They did it because they had to.

• 54:45Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. And his longevity diet, he talks about this too.

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it's like, so I've taught it for years. Go into ketosis, but go in and out of it. Do carnivore. Don't stay in it. Right? I've, I've taught it for years. And by the way, you can look at the people that say keto causes cancer because of something called four hydroxy natalone builds up this nasty free radical. Wait, that's why it works in the beginning. That stimulates all these positive changes. And then, but if you stay in it too long, it bioaccumulates. It builds up and then it becomes a negative, the same diet you're on. I could, plant-based diets, too much plant-based diets, eating plants. You have too many little toxic stressors that, you know, can start inflaming the gut. Any diet too long causes problems.

• 55:28Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  When you change a diet, you actually create a stress on the microbiome and actually create diversity. It's magic.

• 55:34Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, this is metabolic flexibility.

• 55:36Speaker 00

  Absolutely. But so one of the things I train my doctors and coaches is switch diets. Make people switch their diet, switch their diet. More variation, more variation.

• 55:44Gary Brecka?

  I love that.

• 55:45Speaker 00

  It works.

• 55:45Gary Brecka?

  And, and, and talk a little bit about, um, for the people that are not super familiar with fasting. I mean, how does somebody harness the benefits of fasting without taking too much of a risk? Are you a fan? Because I was surprised by Dr. Longo said that he actually wasn't a huge fan of intermittent fasting, especially the very, the very narrow windows. I've actually seen in our own clinical practice, um, you know, some of the worst endocrine disasters in menstruating females have been ones with really, really narrow feeding windows. Um, it's, it's an endocrine disaster for them.

• 56:14Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 56:15Gary Brecka?

  Tell them that like narrow their feeding window down to they're highly disciplined. I mean, we had a female CrossFit athlete that had four hours a day was all she would eat. So she spent 20 hours a day fasting. It was a disaster for her. She actually ended up with something called red S.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. And this is the people I'm talking about fasting too much.

• 56:31Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. It's anything too much, you know?

• 56:33Speaker 00

  Anything too much.

• 56:34Gary Brecka?

  37 degree, you know, we were talking about this earlier. They're cold plunges and they're, you know, I get in a cold plunge, three minutes, minimum, six minutes, maximum. And I'm at 48 degrees. I'm not like, you know, 34 degrees and I don't stay in there for 12 minutes. But I see folks on, on, um, you know, Instagram taking a snorkel, going underwater or underwater for 12 minutes, 37 degree water. And it's, it's kind of like, oh, you go in 37 degree water or go in 34 degree water? You know, I go in 33.1, you know?

• 57:01Speaker 00

  After we finish the fasting conversation, I want to get back into that conversation.

• 57:05Gary Brecka?

  Into that too. But, um, uh, so my, my, uh, question essentially is that, you know, for somebody that's watching, this hasn't participated in my fast, hasn't, hasn't read your book on fasting, isn't familiar with Dr. Volter Longo. What's a sort of a safe path for somebody to go down to? Experience some of the benefits of fasting.

• 57:25Speaker 00

  Well, first of all, to your point, right? You know, everyone's different, right? Like we were talking about, not everyone can jump in a callback for three minutes. And if they do, not only is more not better, it's could be a lot worse.

• 57:38Gary Brecka?

  They're not adapting.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're not adapting. Everything is adaptation. If you don't adapt, you make a positive negative, right? Same with fasting. So a lot of people are just, oh, yeah, you know, they get a result. So they think by eating one meal a day, or maybe they're they're eating in a four hour window to your point. Right. And they lose some weight, but the problem is, is they might be losing a lot of muscle weight because their body's not efficiently burning fat because they're not efficient at it. They're they're they've got cellular problems, right? And so what what happens is, is then they're continuing doing this. Now they're straining their adrenals, their thyroid, their hormones, and they end up in this hormone down spiral, as you described, to answer your question, what your fasting window works for you. Here's a good way you could do it. Okay, so people listening.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  So let's say you get up and you say, okay, I'm going to skip breakfast and I'm going to just push it out till 10 o'clock, wake up in the morning. Let's say you wake up at six or seven, check your, and they sell meters, very cheap and expensive meters for this. Check your glucose and ketones, ketones are what when your body burns fat, it makes ketones. Most of your viewers probably know what that is, right? And, okay, so test both levels before you do anything, before you have your coffee, before whatever you do, do it first. Now, at 10 o'clock, before you're ready to eat, test the levels again. What you should see is, and you could do three to five days, so you get a good average. You should see glucose trending down from your weight glucose and ketones trending up.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  If you don't see that, despite how you feel, you're not adapting to that level of stress. So let's see your first meal is up to two o'clock. You would test in the morning and then before two o'clock. And you should see that trend because what it's showing is at least I'm adapting enough that I'm burning fat and using that for energy. Now, if you exercise or, you know, do something or get stressed out, you're going to throw your numbers off.

• 59:29Gary Brecka?

  As opposed to seeing higher glucose levels, you're saying?

• 59:31Speaker 00

  Yes, exactly. So then you see glucose trending down, ketones trending up. It's a good sense that you're adapting to that. Okay, so that gives people a better sense of what fast works for them. But but here, let me answer it even better for people. I'm okay, the, you know, most people can do one or two days where they fast, where they eat one meal a day, maybe in a four hour window. But the magic is in the feast. People are forgetting about that mtor pathway. The feast is the magic. So I go around saying, you know, you need to feast. Don't forget about the feast. I interviewed Karen Verda. You should interview her, but she, she was the first one to show, it was a mouse study, I believe, but they compared like low fat diets, low carb, you know, all these different diets. The diet that worked the best to break

• 1:00:14Speaker 00

  through weight loss resistance was actually feast, famine, feast, famine, feast, famine. And I said, Karen, why was it? I think they were doing like low, like low calorie one day, regular diet, low calorie feast, famine. Okay. I said, why is that? She said, because it forces adaptation and there's a hormone optimization that takes place when the body is in that state. The point is, is we're just famine. Yeah. And with intermittent fasting and I, you know, you can't just do that much famine. You need feast days, even from the simplest standpoint, your body, everything's about survival. Would you agree with that? I would. Everything, right? That's why biohacks work, right? Everything's about survival. Probably like feast, famine works a lot. Okay, that, yeah. It's very ancestrally in tune with.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  Your body, but here's the thing, look, it, your body, when you famine too much, it'll eventually go, I'm going to save Gary's life and I'm going to slow my metabolism down. I'm going to hold on to fat and if I have to, I'll even use muscle. It's easy. It's cheap. I've heard you say it, right? It's easy. 30 Cent, burn up the muscle, right? Glucogenogenesis, boom. Okay. So it'll do that if it has to. And so you're getting lower and lower metabolism as that happens. Now, if you just take one or two days a week, people with hormone challenges oftentimes need three feast, famine, feast, famine. And if you feast, your body, it reminds your body, it's not starving. Simple as that. So imagine you live in, you're in the middle

• 1:01:40Speaker 00

  of the wood in Alaska, right? Or you have a cabin in Alaska and I do too. And I come over to your place in the heart of winter. This winter's colder than normal, harder than normal. You have a normal pile of wood that makes. Gets you through the winter typically. This winter's bad. So you're dwindling your power very quickly. Matter of fact, so quickly you get nervous to survive. So you burn less wood. You turn the metabolism down. You're saying, you know what? I'm going to keep my, my house at 55 because I gotta make it through this winter. I only have so much wood. I come by your house and go, Gary, holy cow, man. This place is freezing. Yeah, I'm running out of wood. I got plenty. I come over and dump a feast day. I give you more wood. Guess what you do? You turn it back up to 70.

• 1:02:23Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:02:23Speaker 00

  Right? You know what I'm saying? So that's what the metabolism does. You know, so the point is

• 1:02:27Gary Brecka?

  Great analogy.

• 1:02:27Speaker 00

  People are putting themselves too much intermittent fasting daily and their body starts backing into, it may take months, but it backs into a survival mode, screws your metabolism up hormonally because that's what it is.

• 1:02:40Gary Brecka?

  That's what we've seen.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  You know, and then add feast days and watch the metabolism fire up. So they just remind your body, it's not starving. It's not rocket science here.

• 1:02:47Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:48Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's, it's, it's so funny because I, I just experienced that of my own accord, you know, I'm, I, I don't know that I necessarily do feast famine, feast famine days.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't think we have to do it so structured.

• 1:03:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, but I take, um, uh, you know, once in a while, I'll just take a Sunday and I just fast on a Sunday and I'll just drink mineral water through, you know, throughout the day and, and I wake up Monday morning and I feel so clear and so energetic. And then I eat normally on Monday, I actually wake up just as clear and energetic on Tuesday. Um, and I've done this so many times, um, that I know it's not, not just the fast. Um, it's also the, you know, the feast, the feast afterwards. I don't think anybody can.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  The hormone optimization that occurs.

• 1:03:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  Because of the feast.

• 1:03:33Gary Brecka?

  Because I, I feel amazing. And when we did the three day water fast, I actually had people use bone broth day one, um, and then eased into it days two and days three. And, and one of the most interesting thing this that people reported was that, uh, they didn't realize how much time they actually spent eating. They said, I wasn't hungry, but just behaviorally, I got up and went through the refrigerator. I got up and went to the, you know, into the kitchen, you know, the office in the kitchen. And I usually walk in there four, five, six times a day because I'm constantly nibbling on snacks.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  They say the average American eats 17 meals a day and people go, no, I don't. But it's the bite of nuts. It's the olive.

• 1:04:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, it's just constantly grazing.

• 1:04:16Speaker 00

  But it still causes your body to have to process that. It's still a lot of energy to eat, you know, and Walter talks about this, right? It was the, uh, his predecessor, um, was in the human genome project. You know what that was? Where they put them, yeah, where they put themselves in a biosphere, literally for like two years, ran every test on themselves. They diminished calories. I think it was at 35%, I think it was because studies showed that genes turned on that make you live longer.

• 1:04:44Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  It was a complete fail and it was a fail because caloric restriction never works. Number one, they came out catabolic. Okay. And oh, their gene, their cert one gene was triggered to live longer. However, all their other parameters, they were in inflamed state. Their immune systems were horrible and their, their organs literally shrunk, complete fail. And that's when Walter said, wait a minute, we know caloric restriction is good, but short periods of time.

• 1:05:11Gary Brecka?

  It's exactly what he said on the podcast. Yeah, yeah. It was a fascinating podcast because he talked about yeast and then talked about mice and then talked about, um, human trials. And, and now I think, I think this next series of, uh, clinical studies he's going to publish within the next week or 10 days or so, right around the time the podcast comes out, is going to really rock the world of, of fasting because it's going to give real science and real data in randomized trials to support behind.

• 1:05:42Gary Brecka?

  Caloric restriction for short periods of time.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  That's the key.

• 1:05:46Gary Brecka?

  And repeating that, I think.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  That's the key.

• 1:05:48Gary Brecka?

  The, the study was exactly what you said was five days and he has a, he has a fasting program called ProLon.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Gary Brecka?

  You know.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's box. It's easy. I, I love it. I mean, it's, it's easy because people go, well, what do I eat? Right here. Here's the box.

• 1:06:05Gary Brecka?

  Yes, that's kind of mine. And I think it's easier to go to 800 and 1100 calories a day than it is to go to zero calories.

• 1:06:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, totally. Yeah. And by the way, he, he's, here's where I disagree with Walter and all respect to Walter, you know, he's, he's far smarter man than I am, but I do have clinical experience. He's against water fasting, but I see why, because fasting is a stress. The average person, a pure water fast is too stressful for them. And it, they, you may not, you'll tap into muscle. A normal person will go, you'll lose a little muscle day one and then growth hormone rises. And then the body protects its muscle because it's in survival mode, right? And it does all the right things. Very sick and toxic people, they don't go through that normal phase. So oftentimes the, the right things don't happen.

• 1:06:52Speaker 00

  And you don't see as good of autophagy. So he's gravitated to partial fasting, but I like starting with partial fasting.

• 1:06:58Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  In, in the reason, for the reason most people are metabolically challenged.

• 1:07:02Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  What do you say? What, what's the percentage of people are metabolically challenged in the US?

• 1:07:08Gary Brecka?

  I would say over 70.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. I've heard you say it. I'm like, I think I agree with that.

• 1:07:12Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's a fast number of people. So, so talking about the adaptation, you know, let's, let's ease into that discussion about biohacking because first of all, I'm a big believer in red light therapy beds. I'm a big believer in the cold plunge. I'm a big believer in saunas. I just showed you my steam room. I filter, filter my steam before I go in there.

• 1:07:33Gary Brecka?

  I don't, I, I, I follow sort of Walter's path 12, I eat for 12 hours and fast for 12 hours, which he says is a very safe zone to be in. And then once in a while I'll do a 24 hour or three day fast. I'm actually going to start doing his five day fast mimicking diet after this podcast. I am absolutely convinced that that's, that's the way to go. Go a couple of times a year, but talk about some of the, the big bio hacks that are out there. Cold plunging, red light therapy, you know, some of these other big bio hacks that are out there and, and the pros and potentially the cons of some.

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  Look, the easiest way to understand a principle called hormesis means if we stress a biological system, us, if we adapt, we get better, faster, stronger, healthier. If we don't adapt, bad things happen. Understand that's a principle. If you exercise and adapt, you get stronger, faster, et cetera. So therefore we hire trainers, at least good athletes do, to make sure that we're adapting to the stresses that they put on. Studies show that if you don't create a stress, meaning if you're doing the same exercise all the time, you actually start getting, stop getting benefit and you even get a diminishing result. So we need to.

• 1:08:49Gary Brecka?

  Or overtraining.

• 1:08:50Speaker 00

  Exactly. Right. So anyways, most people, when they first start, you know, they start reasonably, you know, or, or not, they go into the gym and do too much. It's a negative, right? So we understand we can overtrain, but this applies to cold baths. The only reason a cold bath or, or heat, cold, anything you just mentioned, this premise of hormesis applies. If you go into a cold bath, the body thinks it's going to die. What does it do? Raises up norepinephrine, which raises up growth hormone, which makes your, your cells more sensitive to hormones. All these major wonderful things happen.

• 1:09:22Gary Brecka?

  Brown fat activation.

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. Brown fat activation. All of it. If you adapt. So no matter what you feel good after, because you know, you have this, you know, norepinephrine rise and all your, you know, good hormones come up. But how do you feel later that day or the next day? Because if you are tired, more tired, didn't sleep well, maybe you looked at your heart rate variability and it's dropping, you didn't adapt to the three minute cold bath. Maybe you need less than Gary or me.

• 1:09:49Gary Brecka?

  Take it down.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  That's not what's being taught. So people are just going, oh, I heard three minutes. I'm going to make three minutes. I'm going to make three minutes. Many people out there, just like the fasting, can't adapt to that. And if you don't adapt, you end up causing. More inflammation later. The key is adaptation. Saunas are the same way. And I said this to you earlier, right? I said, when I was sick, I couldn't even take hot showers.

• 1:10:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, you said that.

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  I would be just wiped out later that day. I just, you know, so I learned to take very lukewarm showers. I wasn't adapting to the heat. So people go into saunas because they hear an hour, whatever it is, and they force themselves to do it. More is not better and potentially even devastating for you. So we have people that have thyroid adrenal challenges, hormone challenges. I promise you, they need less.

• 1:10:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  And you saw this one study that recently came out, a 10 minute shower, or I'm talking 10 minute, 10 seconds of cold before your shower every day worked out better than the big cold plunge. I believe they were just looking, because they were looking at average people. Put the average person in a three minute cold plunge. When they looked at the results, it was not good. As good as the less stress.

• 1:10:58Gary Brecka?

  Consistently.

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  Less consistently, less long. All they did is lower the stress level and more people did better with that.

• 1:11:04Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  And I, and I believe that's the case for many of these bio hacks.

• 1:11:08Gary Brecka?

  And I could, I can absolutely see that too. So sort of bringing everything full circle from your, all of your experience, your personal journey, you know, your cellular healing diet. What are the big takeaways that you want people to remember from this podcast? Because they've heard a lot. I gotta filter my environment. I gotta take care of myself. I should intermittent fast with too short of a window. What are the big three or five takeaways that you want them to walk away from?

• 1:11:40Gary Brecka?

  I would say that one of them for me is that you can heal from whatever you're being challenged with right now. So that, that is the first like message is that the body has an incredible ability to bounce back from, from absolute abuse. I mean, from you, you were just horribly abused in the state that you were in. So I mean, I want to give people hope that have, you know, chronic conditions that they just are, they just reached the end of the rope and they're exhausted on. But what are the big takeaways that you want them to?

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  You know, one of the things I always say is, The only reason I'm qualified to help you and those people is number one, I was called to it. Right? I didn't choose it. But the only reason I'm qualified is because I was you. Right? If you are going to help drug addicts and alcoholics, you better darn be, you better have suffered and overcame it. Right? And that gives you the authority because one day they're going to say, you don't know what it's like.

• 1:12:34Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:34Speaker 00

  You don't know what I feel. Right? I know what you feel. I know what it's like. And that's why I'm qualified. So, but that that gives you hope. There is an answer. But what I want you to hear to answer your question is, there's a cause. And I think that alternative medicine has moved further from getting to the cause. Even when I first started lecturing on stages, you know, it was, it seemed like people got it. N Ds, D Cs, M Ds, at least that were there in that room. You know, yeah, cause, let's remove it. Today, it's almost like we got too fancy. And we're forgetting about these major causes. Neurotoxicity is rampant because of what we're under today. I think most people agree with that.

• 1:13:17Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:17Speaker 00

  But, but again, it's not as simple as just sitting in the sauna that we love. I mean, there's benefits to saunas, don't get me wrong, and you should do them. But you do have to get to the cell, right? And, you know, I've spent 20 some years teaching doctors the principle. And my kids, I think we had this conversation because your kids work with you, right?

• 1:13:37Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, they do.

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  They saw me, they saw me on this, you know, treadmill of teaching doctors and even one-on-one helping people. And they said, Dad, if you were called to take this to the world, it's not happening. And it's not going to happen the way you're doing it.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  That's an honest conversation.

• 1:13:53Gary Brecka?

  That actually sounds like something my daughter would say to me.

• 1:13:55Speaker 00

  Exactly. And I said, yeah, but detox isn't here's a box of pills. It has to be specific for everyone, the doses, you know, what chelators, what binders. I mean, it's different for everyone, son. So, you know, da, da, da, da. Anyways, you know, he had a different vision of how we can take this to the world, directly to the person looking for answers. And I say that to give, you know, to give people hope. So that's what we did. I pump a program, as you know. It's direct to the person hurting, you know, direct to the person looking for an answer as opposed to me trying to change, train the doctors. But there is hope. You have to get to the cause. If you remove the interference, the body heals. It does.

• 1:14:35Gary Brecka?

  I love that.

• 1:14:36Speaker 00

  It's a dang principle that works. I didn't get well because of a specific vitamin. I got well because I got the mercury safely and effectively out of my brain. We, I got well for the bio toxins that were accumulated in my cells, down regulating every bit of cellular function that was, should be there to protect me. You know, I got better by getting rid of that. So, you know, we are so, is society, we are so about what we can add. But most people today aren't sick because of a lack of a vitamin. And I'll name five vitamins that I think are very important people lack. But most people are sick because it's too much of something, these neurotoxins were being inundated with. And I'm telling you, it's wearing people out. I mean, we never had a society with as much brain fog and anxiety as we do now. These are neurotoxic signs, Gary.

• 1:15:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  You know, and people, if you don't get to the cause of that, I don't care how much Kava CBD you take, I don't care what you do, how many bio hacks you do, you gotta get through the cause. And that's the message I really want people to hear.

• 1:15:34Gary Brecka?

  That's excellent. And how do people find you? I mean, how do you find you on Instagram?

• 1:15:38Speaker 00

  Obviously, yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Dr. Pompa, you know, I have a following there. I put out videos all the time. We're talking about that because my kids make me do that too. You gotta educate dad.

• 1:15:48Gary Brecka?

  My kids built my whole social media.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  Exactly. Me too. Anyways, but you know, pampa program.com, you can watch, I said that there's the, the free webinar there you can watch. But yeah, no, I mean, you can get, I'm out there.

• 1:16:01Gary Brecka?

  Okay. Yeah. I am. And every podcast, the same way by asking every guest the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  A human?

• 1:16:13Gary Brecka?

  The ultimate human.

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  The ultimate human in, in your purpose, functioning in your purpose.

• 1:16:19Gary Brecka?

  Well.

• 1:16:19Speaker 00

  You know, and, and I'll tell you, and I want people to hear this. Because I get this question, well, how do you know or how do you find your purpose? Okay, if we look at our skill set, hmm, kind of tips to what we should be doing. Look what you love, that kind of leans to it. But most importantly, look in your pain. Your pain leads to your purpose. So my wife and I have a saying because we've been through a lot of pain stuff in our life, from pain to purpose, and I'll broaden it even further. I do believe God has a promise for everybody. And the promise, you know, when we crying out for an answer, he gives us a promise. But here's the problem, as humans, we're always afraid to step into the promise. And something happens biblically.

• 1:17:00Speaker 00

  If you go through with the Bible, there's something, it's when it says, be strong and courageous, the Hebrew words are rakazakamatz. And, you know, I'm no Jewish scholar, and I'm not Jewish, but those words mean a whole lot more than the English words. The English words, be strong, courageous, don't do it justice. Rakazakamatz means that God has already went into the promise for you. And whatever fears that you have, whatever kept you from stepping in or keeping you from stepping in, he deals with it. It's him, his strength, not yours. So as Israel was about to cross the Jordan, all they saw was 31 armies. And all they saw was disaster. God spoke through Joshua, rakazakamatz, Israel, meaning, I've taken that, walk into the promise.

• 1:17:45Speaker 00

  If you look everywhere in the Bible, there's every time someone's about to step into a promise, God has for them. God will send someone rakazakamatz. So the greatest hope is rakazakamatz. God's done it because people, we have fears, even we hold on to even our sick identities.

• 1:18:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  But, you know.

• 1:18:01Gary Brecka?

  But so true.

• 1:18:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, but walk in, don't have this, because I know, I didn't have any faith in myself or my strength or my abilities or my anything. But if you know God does it and he'll just step into the promise, he'll do it.

• 1:18:14Gary Brecka?

  That's amazing. Woo, that was an amazing podcast, man. Thank you so much for coming on. This was, I thought it was gonna be great, so much better than I thought. I'll put all of the links to what we discussed in the show notes below. And as always, guys, that's just science.