‘The Hand That Rocks the Cradle’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Joanna Robinson

From Hell Month continues with Bill, Chris, and Joanna revisiting the nanny from hell in the 1992 thriller ‘The Hand That Rocks the Cradle,’ starring Rebecca De Mornay, Annabella Sciorra, and Matt McCoy. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic The Ringer is committed to responsible trading. Please visit https://fanduel.com/predicts to learn more about the resources and helpline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:05Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by The Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find House of R with Joanna Robinson. You can find The Watch. Sure. Still cranking it. Uh huh. With CR.

• 0:18Bill Simmons?

  It's from Hell Month. Joanna Robinson, I just, I gave her a blind invite. I said, pick the movie. Sent her a list. She came back Hand that Rocks the Cradle. CR is like, I'm in blind. Yeah. Just tell me the movie, I'm here. Please. Hand that Rocks Cradle is next. It's The Rewatchables, presented by FanDuel Predicts. You can predict the summer soccer showcase. Hmm. With FanDuel Predicts. From the opening game to the final whistle, stay locked in. Sign up now for your $25 bonus on FanDuel Predicts. Go to FanDuel.com/predicts to sign up. Offered by FanDuel Prediction Markets, LLC, a registered futures commission merchant. 18+, restrictions apply.

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• 2:21Bill Simmons?

  And that rocks the cradle. We have a nice home here.

• 2:28Bill Simmons?

  Somebody bad has come into our house.

• 2:32Bill Simmons?

  This is a foundation. This movie lays of 35 years and counting of people just recreating this movie. What is it? What is it about that theme?

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Uh, that we've invited someone into our home and they're

• 2:44Bill Simmons?

  Who has bad intentions.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Um, it's everyone's primal fear, right?

• 2:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  You've created your safety bubble and something has come here to stand in a nightgown in the rain and seduce your husband, you know?

• 2:55Chris Ryan?

  Beyond even like the inviting somebody into their house, it's the what if I'm not a good parent? What if I'm an inadequate partner to my spouse? What if, what if, what if the stuff that keeps people up at night and From Hell movies dramatize that?

• 3:09Bill Simmons?

  What if I

• 3:13Chris Ryan?

  What if I get to bring something to Fed Ex?

• 3:17Bill Simmons?

  What do you like the most about From Hell movies?

• 3:20Chris Ryan?

  I think it's just that everybody, it's like a shared understanding in the audience. These were great theater movies, but even now, when you're watching it, like I was watching this with my wife, like when you're watching it, you can feel like how relatable the tension is because even if nothing like this has ever happened to you, you have feared it. You have, everybody has these shared fears, often baked into like a middle-class existence of like, I think everything is okay, right? I think everything's gonna be fine. And then it could just be one thing topples it all over. And my favorite is like roommate from hell, like single white female in Pacific Heights, but having the nanny from hell is, is gets it like some really, really deep, dark stuff.

• 4:03Bill Simmons?

  What about you?

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think also this is just so huge on cable and VHS when we were younger. This played all the time. And I think that I completely, like even when we were too young to know what it was like to be an inadequate parent or an inadequate partner, you're just sort of like, what if there's a stranger who's come to your home to rip your family apart? And all of their schemes are very good and well executed. And what can you do? You know, someone's wearing a button down, a white button down and a smile and they're here to tear it all down.

• 4:34Bill Simmons?

  It's right around here was when, uh, like they started doing the TV movies. That would always have people from like 90210 and Melrose Place and Party of Five.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Lifetime's kicking off.

• 4:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. Lifetime was kicking off too, but it was all, all of this happened at the same time. And it was always like, you shouldn't have fallen for, for this person. You, you're being stalked by your boyfriend or ex-husband.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:56Bill Simmons?

  You have a nanny that came in your house, but she has the wrong intentions. There's a neighbor next door, you gotta stay. And it just became this cottage industry. And I gotta say, I love it. It's great.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Hits every time.

• 5:07Bill Simmons?

  Even when it's bad, it's good. But I, I think what's interesting about this movie is it's really well done.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:13Bill Simmons?

  It has a really good director. It's acted well. Uh, Rebecca DeMornay is amazing in this, but, um, I was thinking this as the three staples or three of the staples from a From Hell movie. The seemingly smart character who's actually an idiot and misses 20 glaring red flags. You have to have this.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:32Bill Simmons?

  You have to have the person where you're watching along and you're just like, how can you not see this? What? So in this one, it's the mom, obviously. The red dress gets ruined. The baby suddenly won't breastfeed. The FedEx envelope disappears. Solomon, the beloved special needs gardener guy.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Accused of pedophilia.

• 5:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's now a pet, he's now Jeffrey Epstein. Uh, daughter now hates him. Marlene, the best friend, might, might be having an affair with the husband. And then she dies in the greenhouse and then all of her inhalers, uh, get emptied out. And she's like, huh. It's a lot of red flags here.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:08Bill Simmons?

  And she finally figures it out, but we're like an hour thirty into the movie.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Do you feel like would it have worked better for you if this plan had taken longer to roll out? If Peyton had been there for a long time?

• 6:18Bill Simmons?

  Like a TV series?

• 6:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:20Bill Simmons?

  And she seemed like she was on a schedule. I don't think she liked being in the basement that much.

• 6:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, she was like, it's husband or bust.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:26Bill Simmons?

  She was like, this guy.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  She's like, I want that beard.

• 6:28Bill Simmons?

  Kind of side eyed me when I was picking up the ice cubes that time. So that's one. The second, the second one that they usually put in there is there's an unexplained murder. Usually around the two thirds mark. Somebody dies.

• 6:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:42Bill Simmons?

  And in the Lifetime movies, you know, right away, because it's always like somebody's friend or somebody's boss or coworker. And they just start getting a little nosey and you're like, oh, boy. This person's ended up in a whatever. So in this case, it was Marlene. And then the third one, which is really unique to this movie. And I think that one of the reasons my wife loves it so much is it has a bunch of these moments where you're just watching going, oh, no. Like when, like Dr. Mott's doing the examination.

• 7:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God.

• 7:11Bill Simmons?

  And he puts the glove on and then he takes it out. It's like, oh, no.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:16Bill Simmons?

  The breastfeeding scene the first time, which is like, oh, no.

• 7:19Chris Ryan?

  Solomon catching her breastfeeding.

• 7:20Bill Simmons?

  Solomon catching her. Her being mean to Solomon?

• 7:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:24Bill Simmons?

  That's another one. The asthma attack and then the surprise party. Claire, there's people in here.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  I think that's, that's part of the script. Like when we were joking on the text thread about sort of, you know, uh, fear of not finding your inhaler, fear of a greenhouse shattering, like fear of you having a horrible fight with your husband when everyone you know is in the next room. There are all these things where it's just sort of like, yeah, I am afraid of that. I've never had asthma, but I am always worried about where people's inhalers are. And I have not, I told you, I've not been in a greenhouse since I saw this movie.

• 7:56Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my God.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  I'm terrified, like, why are half of what?

• 7:59Bill Simmons?

  If they ruin greenhouses.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Why are houses made of glass? Why would you ever go in there?

• 8:03Chris Ryan?

  There's also like, uh, this screenplay by Amanda Silver.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:06Chris Ryan?

  That was like her thesis project, I think, from film school.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:09Chris Ryan?

  And. I think now Joe and I both, we're both about to start talking about Cape Fear at some point, like coming out on Apple TV, another really good example of a kind of From Hell movie.

• 8:20Bill Simmons?

  Oh, definitely.

• 8:20Chris Ryan?

  And is incredibly rewarding because of how tight it is and how much is left off screen. Like, you know, what we don't have to sit through. This movie partially works because we don't have to spend an episode getting into Marlene and Claire's friendship. It's like, it's gestured at, it's understood.

• 8:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you know they're buddies.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  I was actually incredibly grateful this wasn't a TV show. Because they're, you know, a friend of mine came to me asking for a TV recommendation the other day, and she started rattling off what she's been watching. I was like, why are you watching all of these mommy murder shows, which are just such a thing right now? But I don't need to watch eight episodes or 10 episodes of every bend of the plot or every backstory for every character. Like, I don't need Peyton's entire backstory to understand why she's here. And I'm so grateful that this is a movie.

• 9:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Like, this would be, I think, I mean, they remade the movie. We can talk about the remake if we want to, but like, the temptation to make this into a limited series must be, you know.

• 9:19Chris Ryan?

  Unbearable.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Marlene, I don't need her backstory. She comes in three times like a fucking hurricane. It's great every time.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  She's an absolute bitch. I love her. Her lipstick is the wrong color for her shade of hair, and she's perfect.

• 9:32Chris Ryan?

  She's got the third car phone in Seattle. You know what's also awesome about this movie, but these, this subgenre that you're celebrating this month is, they're really still the most relevant period pieces that we have, where so much of this movie could be brushed aside with like a Google search or whatever.

• 9:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 9:52Chris Ryan?

  But the things that people are nervous about and the things that people fear and the anxiety that people have is still prevalent. It's just translated through different things, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's stuff like, my social media account got hacked, or like, I think I got scammed, or my, my mother signed up for some weird thing and now she's a recurring donor to something that we don't understand.

• 10:17Bill Simmons?

  She's an organ donor.

• 10:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, exactly. But like, This stuff is like, just the anxieties of modern life are so persistent that it doesn't really matter that it's car phones and chain smoking, or if it's, it's your iPhone and other stuff.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  That being said, like, even before, uh, cell phones and the internet, we did ask for references.

• 10:38Chris Ryan?

  Sure, we did maybe check that letter.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  We did occasionally ask for references, you know?

• 10:42Bill Simmons?

  The other nanny said, "The playground."

• 10:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, what's her name? Debbie, you know Debbie?

• 10:47Speaker 02

  I was with your daughter at the playground, is how she introduces herself.

• 10:51Bill Simmons?

  Meanwhile, she doesn't have a nanny, so it's like, wait, how are you with my daughter at the, at the playground? Craig, you grew up with the From Hell movie.

• 10:59Chris Ryan?

  I did, did I?

• 11:00Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, it's your generation.

• 11:01Chris Ryan?

  This is early 90s, though. What, what's like the staple From Hell 2000s movie?

• 11:08Bill Simmons?

  You know, it pe, it started petering out because it drifted more in the TV. Cause I felt like they really tried to do this for 10 years, culminating in Domestic Disturbance, which is, I think, one of the great, one of the great unintentional comedy movies of the 2000s.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:23Bill Simmons?

  But that was when it started to kind of die, and then it really drifted into, um, into the Lifetime. There was a lot of like, black movies that would have like, the all-black cast that would basically do the same premises, and that, that's still going. And I think a lot of it's just moved to true crime, like, true crime docs and stuff.

• 11:40Chris Ryan?

  It's true crime, and it's also like, I think some of the, the feeling of it can be found in Ozark. Uh, but yeah, to Joe's point, like, they made Presumed Innocent into a limited series rather than remaking Presumed Innocent now.

• 11:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, cause it's, you just get more episodes, so now, we would have the backstory episode with, we would have the backstory episode with Dr. Mott.

• 12:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Well, isn't that what all?

• 12:04Bill Simmons?

  It's like, let's go backwards four years with Dr. Mott.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Like, All Her Fault, the Sarah Snook show that people, like, loved on Peacock, isn't that essentially, like,

• 12:12Bill Simmons?

  That show was horrible, and I devoured it.

• 12:14Chris Ryan?

  And they also, but don't they also do, like, each character's backstory is played out?

• 12:18Speaker 02

  But that's, that's the problem, and again, like, the, the 2025 remake, I, I had, didn't watch it, but I was reading sort of what they changed, and it's just this compulsion to give you, uh, a reason why people are from hell, and I, sometimes I just don't want that. Bitches can be crazy.

• 12:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I know the fact that, that Peyton seems mean before everything else goes wrong anyway, you know?

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:41Chris Ryan?

  Like, she, like-

• 12:43Bill Simmons?

  I mean, this movie has so many subtle, great moments that establish that she's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. But when Solomon meets her and gets the paint on her, he's like, oh, I'm sorry. She fucking devil stares at her for a split second, and it's like, oh, no.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  That was my first rewind. I was just like, I gotta watch it again. You know, Rebecca DeMornay is so good in this movie.

• 13:05Bill Simmons?

  Let's talk about her, because I had written down, it's her and Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction in the finals for Best From Hell performance.

• 13:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:14Bill Simmons?

  She's out of control in this movie.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  Sharon Stone's out.

• 13:16Bill Simmons?

  She's doing so many different things. Sharon, you consider that a From Hell basic instinct?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's a middle ground. What about, like?

• 13:25Bill Simmons?

  To me, like, it's...

• 13:26Speaker 02

  What about Gone Girl? Rosamund Pike?

• 13:29Bill Simmons?

  Semi-finals.

• 13:30Chris Ryan?

  Jennifer Jason Leigh, Single Life Fimo?

• 13:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, maybe semifinals. Maybe that's your final four.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  What about the jailbait division of, like, Alicia Silverstone?

• 13:38Bill Simmons?

  Poison Abby?

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Drew Barrymore?

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Poison Abby's dark.

• 13:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:43Bill Simmons?

  Poison Abby, Drew Barrymore, 16, has a passionate affair with Tom Skerritt, who's like 40.

• 13:49Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 13:50Bill Simmons?

  And, like, they have, like, a sex scene. I don't think that would be flying now.

• 13:54Chris Ryan?

  What year is this?

• 13:55Bill Simmons?

  This is early 90s.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  91 or something like that, yeah.

• 13:58Bill Simmons?

  Zoe was home for a month, and she loves these movies, and we watched The Crush, because it was on Tubi. And 20 minutes in, she's like, Dad, how did they make this?

• 14:07Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  The Crush and The Babysitter.

• 14:10Bill Simmons?

  16? I was like, I don't know. Different times.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  That's a cursed double feature.

• 14:14Chris Ryan?

  Fear is another one from that era, where you're like, holy shit.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. Fear is very much in, like, the Lifetime movie. Every boyfriend is bad, actually.

• 14:22Bill Simmons?

  But that's another one that has really good actors. Like, William Peterson's in that. Wahlberg, Reese Witherspoon, Alyssa Milano.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  A roller coaster.

• 14:29Bill Simmons?

  DeMornay, though, so, we did Risky Business a while ago. And she's Lana, the prostitute.

• 14:38Bill Simmons?

  And is with Tom Cruise and his lights out and every guy my age is in love with her from that point on.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  I think that train, that sex scene on that train is one of the best sex scenes in all of cinema, honestly.

• 14:50Bill Simmons?

  Tangerine Dream?

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Tangerine Dream.

• 14:51Bill Simmons?

  NCR is down with it.

• 14:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I am down. More for the music, though, yeah.

• 14:55Bill Simmons?

  And it just never happened for in the eighties. Slugger's Wife, I remember was a big one with Danny from Caddyshack. It's a baseball movie, Craig. He played a home run hitter in the Atlanta Braves.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  And she was the titular Slugger's Wife?

• 15:08Bill Simmons?

  It was horrible.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  Well, that title is horrible.

• 15:10Bill Simmons?

  Really terrible, terrible. He just, he looked like he was swinging like a big salami. It just wasn't. Like, it just didn't seem like he had a bat. It was like he was.

• 15:22Bill Simmons?

  Runaway Train, okay. Eric Roberts, John Voight. Probably the best one she did. She made this movie called And God Created Woman. That was supposed to be. It was Roger Vadim, whatever his name was.

• 15:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:36Bill Simmons?

  And then she made this movie Feds, and it just never happened. And.

• 15:39Chris Ryan?

  I remember Feds.

• 15:41Bill Simmons?

  She apparently was trying to get Tinker Bell and Hook, lost it to Julia Roberts and was like, fuck it, I'm going darker. And did this.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  She was in a much better Tinker Bell.

• 15:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, and then she had a couple, a couple nineties movies, but it's just like, even when she did Prestige for HBO, it was John and Cincinnati. Like, she just had bad luck with parts and movies and. I always thought there was more there, Joe. I thought she was a really good actress. I thought she was smoking hot and I thought she could be evil or nice depending on the situation.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Her trilogy for me is Risky Business, Hand the Rocks Cradle, and then The Three Musketeers, the nineties Three Musketeers.

• 16:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was another good one.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  She's fantastic in that movie. She's, she's just always incredible. And yeah, just didn't pick the right projects, I think.

• 16:24Chris Ryan?

  There's like probably half a dozen eighties and early nineties movies that you could go through and be like, oh, I wonder if she could have, like, could she have just done Kelly McGillis in Top Gun? Or could she have done any number of movies?

• 16:35Bill Simmons?

  That's what she's missing. She's missing the one big ass, like.

• 16:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:39Bill Simmons?

  Hundred million dollar where she's just the, the love interest.

• 16:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Bill Simmons?

  Banging it out.

• 16:46Bill Simmons?

  I always thought like, I wrote down in my notes, elevated Heather Locklear.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 16:52Bill Simmons?

  Like Heather Locklear goes on Melrose Place and is awesome, right? She's like the bitch, but it's like a campy, not great show. She was a much better actress than that. But she could, there was a campiness to her in a good way that I just felt like they never figured out.

• 17:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like what's another one that she could have done that I like?

• 17:09Bill Simmons?

  Well, could she have been Basic Instinct? Could she have been Sharon Stone? I feel like she could have.

• 17:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but even to not do another sex pot role, like what if she did the Meryl Streep part in The River Wild?

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Right, of course, Hanson Hens.

• 17:20Bill Simmons?

  I would have asked that.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Loyalty to her, sure.

• 17:22Bill Simmons?

  She's in our, our favorite backdraft.

• 17:24Chris Ryan?

  She's great in Backdraft.

• 17:25Bill Simmons?

  She's really good in it. But it was always weird to see her just as like somebody's girlfriend in a movie. It always felt like there was more of a danger.

• 17:32Chris Ryan?

  Like, weren't you gonna kill this guy?

• 17:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Can I?

• 17:34Bill Simmons?

  But it might be the risky business thing. It might have been because that was the first time we knew her.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Right, can I ask you, is there a more interesting biographical detail than left Harry Dean Stanton for Tom Cruise?

• 17:45Chris Ryan?

  No. And then Harry Dean Stanton showing up on set to be like, where's Tom Cruise?

• 17:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like they must have had like a love triangle fight. It's a great one.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Harry Dean Stanton, Rebecca DiMornay and Tom Cruise. Incredible.

• 17:58Bill Simmons?

  She's two movies short, but she made, she worked the whole time. It just never really happened, but she's doing a lot in this movie. Like that, that scene when she goes to visit the husband about, hey, I want to plan a surprise party. And they're just, their blue eyes are just battling for two minutes. And then she sashays away with the, with the stroller.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 18:19Bill Simmons?

  And it's just like, this is just good stuff, man.

• 18:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:21Bill Simmons?

  She's owning, owning the room.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  She is this movie. Like I, I think this movie is well written and obviously, you know, an incredible director, well shot. But DiMornay is like, her ability to change her facial expression on a dime and look absolutely terrifying. And then honey sweet, uh, the next second, that's this movie.

• 18:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, my wife said, my wife thinks she's great in this movie. And she's like, she's really good at. Being an actress, playing a bad person who has to pretend to be an actress.

• 18:48Chris Ryan?

  Yes. Pretend to be a good person.

• 18:50Bill Simmons?

  The second layer actress where she's like, oh no.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:54Bill Simmons?

  The baby almost ate the earring and but you know she's full of shit.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Claire, we were so worried about you. We're so glad you're home.

• 19:00Chris Ryan?

  Her eyeballing the red dress when she's trying on the black dress.

• 19:03Bill Simmons?

  You told me you could borrow this. There's like a million.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:06Bill Simmons?

  So why does this movie resonate with women the way it does?

• 19:08Speaker 02

  Why do women love this movie? I, I'm, I was watching it and asking myself that question. And I think part of it has to do with like how inconsequential the husband is.

• 19:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Like he's barely in this movie and it really is just about like these two women and Julianne Moore. And that's like, those are the primary drivers of the story. And so then it just becomes like very much about women's fears of other women and all. And I like this idea of like the from hell or bitches be crazy genre, whatever the case may be. There are plenty of reasons for women to not like it. And this is a movie that really gets to the core of something that's true about women somehow. Maybe because it has a female screenwriter. I don't know.

• 19:49Bill Simmons?

  It also starts with like the moment when she sees her in the, on the bus. She's like, are you the Martels? And they're walking up and I'm watching with my wife. My wife's like, I would have been out, too hot. You're not living in my house. You're just not.

• 20:05Bill Simmons?

  Sorry, honey.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  I mean, that's what Julianne Moore says. She's like.

• 20:09Bill Simmons?

  She says it right away.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Why'd you bring this person into your house?

• 20:11Chris Ryan?

  We've often talked about the, you know, the latchkey kid phenomenon. And when we watch movies from the eighties being like, nobody was watching us. We were just, you know, from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. We were, it was up to us to stay alive. This is like the adult version of that. They're like, yeah, you know what? I just saw you almost get hit by a school bus. Why don't you come on over? This is fine. You can stay for dinner. I'm sure your letter of recommendation is totally watertight. It's such bullshit.

• 20:37Bill Simmons?

  Hey, you're gonna walk around in your nightgown at night?

• 20:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Bill Simmons?

  Dropping ice cubes on the kitchen? That sounds awesome.

• 20:45Bill Simmons?

  Annabelle Shiora.

• 20:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  I think she's great in this movie. The character is dumb as shit, but I think she's great in it.

• 20:52Bill Simmons?

  It's so funny that it all comes full circle in The Sopranos. When she plays basically the from hell part for as Tony's mistress.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  You're talking to two people who have famously not watched The Sopranos?

• 21:06Chris Ryan?

  Not in order.

• 21:08Bill Simmons?

  What?

• 21:09Chris Ryan?

  Not in order. Like, I've, I've seen, like, runs of episodes.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Did I just?

• 21:13Chris Ryan?

  No, I've said this before, yeah.

• 21:16Bill Simmons?

  I'll tell you guys what happens.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Tell us.

• 21:18Bill Simmons?

  It's a little later in the run.

• 21:20Chris Ryan?

  The Morne from hell, right?

• 21:20Bill Simmons?

  She's a, she's a car salesman.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 21:23Bill Simmons?

  Like, a high-end car salesman that Tony becomes infatuated with, and it becomes a, a pretty deranged affair. And she's basically, flips parts.

• 21:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Bill Simmons?

  Which makes me wonder, like, could you have flipped parts with these two in this movie? Would have been interesting. I don't think it's as good.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, she auditioned.

• 21:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  She auditioned for the other part, yeah.

• 21:43Bill Simmons?

  But I think she could have done it. I just don't think, I think the Morne is so good as.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Oh, no. But like, her coming off of jungle fever and being like, I'm gonna do another, yeah.

• 21:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so she does, she's in Internal Affairs, which we've done, Reversal Fortune, Jungle Fever, Hand of the Rock's Cradle. And then she's in a movie called The Night We Never Met, that I might be the only one who's ever seen that movie.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  I've seen that movie.

• 22:04Bill Simmons?

  It's in Matthew Broderick.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:06Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 22:07Bill Simmons?

  They're all time-sharing an apartment.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 22:09Chris Ryan?

  That's right. I've seen that.

• 22:11Bill Simmons?

  It's a good movie.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  It's a great movie.

• 22:12Bill Simmons?

  It's gone. I don't know if it exists.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  It's not, it's not a real movie, but it's a great movie.

• 22:16Bill Simmons?

  And she kind of fall, she falls for Matthew Broderick.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  They fall for each other without having met each other, but just sort of like by their presence in the apartment.

• 22:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:24Bill Simmons?

  It's really an interesting movie. It's just, I haven't seen it since. And then she was in Copland.

• 22:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, she's great in Copland.

• 22:30Bill Simmons?

  And then had The Sopranos run, and it was always a question of.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:34Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's sad, but it was always a question of, man, she was great. Why wasn't she more stuff? And it turned out she was one of the biggest Harvey Weinstein victims.

• 22:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:41Bill Simmons?

  Of all of them. Like, he actually sabotaged her career. But I, I always thought she was really good. I always liked her and everything.

• 22:47Chris Ryan?

  She's, uh, it's really interesting to think about them doing the opposite role because in a traditional, maybe, way, you would be like. DeMornay is better known than Annabelle Shior, so she plays the hero in this out. But you would always be like, how could you not tell that this one is trying to take down Rebecca DeMornay? Like, it throws you off to be like, weirdly like, I know, I have more of an investment in Rebecca DeMornay as a performer than I do in Annabelle Shior. So I'm like, kind of almost expecting this to work out for her. Also, I do think that there is some blonde brunette, like Ginger Mary Ann kind of thing going on here.

• 23:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 23:25Chris Ryan?

  Like, where you're inverting that somewhat.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  I can see it, yeah. But, and also this, like, the very, like, the preppy, prep from hell sort of vibe that she's giving here. Rebecca DeMornay, the like, button down pencil skirt, flat shoes, blonde hair, bangs, like, all of that. Annabelle Shior would be a different energy altogether. She can't quite do that.

• 23:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, one of my biggest issues with the movie is that the nanny is like, too, she said she's like, too lived. Like, her clothes are nice, she's put together.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:00Bill Simmons?

  And it's like, what's the backstory with this lady?

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Right, again, if she-

• 24:03Bill Simmons?

  Your husband died and your son died days apart, and you have some story about how they never caught the guy. But she's like, I just would have had 20 more questions.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. You would have checked a single reference.

• 24:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:15Chris Ryan?

  You didn't have an appointment. You're walking in off the street because you heard about this job at the park.

• 24:19Bill Simmons?

  You're like, mid-30s?

• 24:21Chris Ryan?

  You have a letter of reference.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:23Chris Ryan?

  But, like, yeah, there's nothing else, like, what about, does she give her a social security number to pay her? Or is it cash under the table?

• 24:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, how are they paying her?

• 24:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:32Bill Simmons?

  Lot of-

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Seattle in the 90s.

• 24:34Chris Ryan?

  Picking nets is gonna be incredible.

• 24:35Bill Simmons?

  We're not ripping through all the nitpicks, because I have 20 more.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:39Bill Simmons?

  And then we have our guy, Ernie Hudson. Big, big 2026 for Ernie on the rewatchables. He's this character, and he's in Ghostbusters, and he's in Oz on a 12-year span. I think Ernie Hudson's awesome in this movie. Now, if this came out now, though, what's age the worst with Ernie Hudson is they would just not have a non-special needs actor playing a special needs person. With that said, I think he's doing a lot in this movie. And it's like, Solomon is really important as like, the proxy of the audience to, come on, you're the, he's the only one who knows.

• 25:12Chris Ryan?

  His, his quote-unquote innocent eyes see the true evil in the house, yeah.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  The shot of his bike by the trash can when like in the final sequence and you're like, oh, Solomon's on the property somewhere. He'll save the day. This is, um, this is, I love this movie. This character is impossible. It's like ridiculous.

• 25:33Bill Simmons?

  You don't like the savior, the savior gardener who's already been sent packing, but is somehow moderate in the house anyway?

• 25:39Speaker 04

  Having a child's underwear in his toolbox, but they're like, but you can still have like outdoor privileges.

• 25:45Bill Simmons?

  They tell the little kid, hey, so Solomon's got another job. It's like he did.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  They didn't put her, the child in therapy? Like, what are we doing? Like, what's happening?

• 25:54Bill Simmons?

  Lot of unanswered questions. Directed by Curtis Hansen, who's in a run of Bad Influence, Hand the Rocks to Cradle, River Wild, L.A. Confidential, and, uh, and Wonder Boys.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  I love Wonder Boys. He's, so he says that L.A. Confidential wouldn't have happened without this movie.

• 26:10Speaker 04

  The success of this movie.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, this movie's such a huge success and River Wild is such a huge success. Then he got a blank check to make L.A. Confidential, one of our greatest movies.

• 26:18Bill Simmons?

  Would you have bought that, the same director from L.A. Confidential did this movie?

• 26:23Speaker 04

  I feel like directors used to just really bounce around more than they do now in terms of genre. Now it's like, oh, Denis Villeneuve, like, I know what that's gonna look like.

• 26:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he's like-

• 26:32Speaker 04

  Eighties and nineties, it feels like they were just picking stories they liked and it could be anything.

• 26:35Chris Ryan?

  The best safe pair of hands in Hollywood for a while, where it was just like, he can make pretty much any genre movie you want. There's not really an intrusive sense of style, but you're never like, this is a dumb shot, or this is a weirdly paced moment. It's all, it's all very well done.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Very competent.

• 26:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:51Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, Bad Influence was on the cutting room floor from Hell Month. I'm a big fan.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  It's not too late.

• 26:58Bill Simmons?

  What? Not too late? You like that movie?

• 27:01Speaker 02

  To bring it back.

• 27:02Bill Simmons?

  Tubi, classic.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:04Bill Simmons?

  Tubi's just cranking Bad Influence. It just flashes it. Yeah, Spader.

• 27:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I do like that movie.

• 27:10Bill Simmons?

  Rob Lowe is the bad boy.

• 27:13Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 27:14Bill Simmons?

  He becomes friends with Spader. And Spader's name is like Michael and he starts calling him Mick. It's like they go out for the night. Come on Mick, we're going out. And just like absolutely torments him. It's a good one.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  He loves yuppies from hell. He loves, and then I can see the connective tissue between River Wild in this movie.

• 27:33Chris Ryan?

  For sure.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Like definitely.

• 27:35Chris Ryan?

  That's the river from hell.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So where do we stand on River Wild? Cause that was another.

• 27:39Chris Ryan?

  It's dope. I love that movie.

• 27:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's like a, I don't know, hiking guide from hell. What do we call that?

• 27:44Chris Ryan?

  It's also not a bad remake, the Netflix version of it.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Oh, I haven't seen the Netflix version.

• 27:49Chris Ryan?

  Brody plays the kind of Kevin Bacon part.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Okay, fun. I love, I love when Brody goes bad.

• 27:55Bill Simmons?

  This film's title is taken from the 1865 poem by William Ross Wallace. I know you have his collected works.

• 28:01Chris Ryan?

  They really lay that on kind of thick. Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Julie Morton's like, what's that phrase? Crazy poem I'm thinking of. We always quote that poem. What was it?

• 28:09Bill Simmons?

  The Pirates of Penzance, just cranking.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  And Pinafore.

• 28:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  This is a real Gilbert and Sullivan joint here. That's all they listen to in this house.

• 28:17Bill Simmons?

  11.9 million dollar budget made $140 million in 1992.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 28:22Bill Simmons?

  So this is the same year as Single Way Female. This is the year From Hell really blossoms. Cause we have Basic Instinct, which is not, I don't consider that a From Hell movie, but that's 92. This movie and then Single Way Female and then Hollywood's like, all right, let's keep making this. And then concurrently.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Women are crazy.

• 28:41Bill Simmons?

  Well concurrently, Skinamax is like, let's.

• 28:44Chris Ryan?

  Whatever you guys don't make will make.

• 28:45Bill Simmons?

  Shannon Tweed, yeah. Are there any rejected scripts for you guys? Let's rip those out. Roger Ebert, three stars.

• 28:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:52Bill Simmons?

  The film worked.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Glowing praise from Raj.

• 28:57Bill Simmons?

  Touches on a fear and that's why it appeals to us, says Raj. He praised our Rebecca De Mornay. De Mornay or Di Mornay?

• 29:05Speaker 02

  De Mornay, Rebecca De Mornay.

• 29:07Bill Simmons?

  Di Mornay.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  De Mornay.

• 29:09Bill Simmons?

  A very good job, a very sound job of being the villainous in this film. And I think it's an effective performance. Villainous, not a word we use enough.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Let's bring it back.

• 29:17Bill Simmons?

  It's a good one. Still time.

• 29:18Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that De Mornay would be a good left wing option for Mm Bop?

• 29:25Bill Simmons?

  Mm Bop, Mm Bop.

• 29:28Chris Ryan?

  I don't know why you were like, there's not 13 Ms here.

• 29:31Bill Simmons?

  I just struggled.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Just spun out on it.

• 29:35Bill Simmons?

  Sarah, it's hard to host.

• 29:36Chris Ryan?

  I know, man. Look, it's like, everybody's cocky until it's time for the World Cup. And it's like, shit, this guy's name.

• 29:42Bill Simmons?

  Bop it.

• 29:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:45Bill Simmons?

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• 30:31Bill Simmons?

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• 31:13Bill Simmons?

  Look, this isn't 100% rewatchable, but it's really good. Dr. Dr. Mock gets creepy.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Wow. Wow.

• 31:20Bill Simmons?

  I just, we have to talk about it. I wouldn't put this as a finalist.

• 31:24Chris Ryan?

  We were skipping the first 20 minutes, honestly, yeah.

• 31:26Bill Simmons?

  No, this scene is like, we are off.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  The gloves are off.

• 31:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:31Bill Simmons?

  Everything about this guy.

• 31:32Chris Ryan?

  When he sends the nurse out, why don't you give him the news? I got this.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:37Bill Simmons?

  And the way she's playing the scene too, where she's like. Huh.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Well, again, this is like-

• 31:43Bill Simmons?

  She's slowly realizing this guy's a psycho.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  This is so realistic to be, you know, you have to like, you have to go get breast exams. You have to go get gynecological exams and it's just sort of like, is this how this is usually done? Is there something going on here? And it's often like right on, right on the border there when, in these cases.

• 32:01Bill Simmons?

  This is one of the many reasons why I think, I know my wife loves this movie, but it's a lot of like, everyday things that happen where it's like your worst nightmare of-

• 32:10Speaker 02

  And you were right. It was wrong.

• 32:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  That nanny was trying to fuck your husband.

• 32:14Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  You know?

• 32:15Chris Ryan?

  That's right. You're not paranoid, paranoid if something is really trying to get you.

• 32:19Bill Simmons?

  Dr. Matt's perfectly creepy. I wanted to nominate him for Dion Waiters, but I don't want him to win.

• 32:24Chris Ryan?

  Well, cause he, there's, there is a, should we rename this for this person Dion Waiters? Performance in this movie, but like, he's, he's up there.

• 32:32Bill Simmons?

  When he starts massaging her, her stomach.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:36Bill Simmons?

  And he's just like, like, almost like he's playing the piano and she's like,

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Bill Simmons?

  It, it's really terrifying.

• 32:42Chris Ryan?

  The closest thing I've ever come to this is when I got a colonoscopy and right before I passed out, the guy was like, love the pod, by the way.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  And then you're, you're just like, I was like.

• 32:54Chris Ryan?

  No, cause I think the, whatever they give you the profo, profo ball or whatever.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:58Chris Ryan?

  I was just like, absolutely.

• 33:04Bill Simmons?

  That didn't really happen, did it?

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Love the pod.

• 33:07Bill Simmons?

  Love the pod, by the way.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Sing that for, what if you'd done it after? Would that have been?

• 33:11Chris Ryan?

  That would have been fine, but I would have felt a little tender afterwards.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:15Chris Ryan?

  This, I was like, I'm high. You can tell me whatever.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  I would just say, don't, keep it to yourself.

• 33:20Bill Simmons?

  Or say after.

• 33:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wow. Love the pod.

• 33:26Bill Simmons?

  Next rewatch, well Peyton meets Claire in Solomon.

• 33:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:29Bill Simmons?

  A scene just loaded with nitpicks, just walking up, looking for the house. Where'd you park?

• 33:36Bill Simmons?

  What nanny at the park?

• 33:39Chris Ryan?

  You stepped in front of a school bus?

• 33:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what? So, wait, you you lost your job, but you're not gonna, but you weren't. I I just, and Claire's just in. Say, yeah, come on in. Oh, I'll leave you alone with our with my baby as I talk to Solomon.

• 33:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, me and my baby. Michael's like, she's great, let's snatch her up.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He's a little horn dog.

• 33:59Chris Ryan?

  No second interview, let's go.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's go.

• 34:02Bill Simmons?

  She's like, you know, nanny's talk. Good, no reference. Toss it aside. I lost my husband and baby within a few days. No follow up questions for me.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Sounds right.

• 34:12Bill Simmons?

  Tough break.

• 34:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Bill Simmons?

  Um, so she hires a hot nanny with no references. Um, within six months. That nanny's in the baby room.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  You guys have seen the, obviously, as Sydney Sweeney devotees, The Housemaid.

• 34:25Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:26Chris Ryan?

  I have not seen The Housemaid.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  I watched it this morning because I was like, is this like a? I I didn't know exactly the plot of The Housemaid and I was like, is it? No, it is, but the opening is almost exactly the same.

• 34:39Bill Simmons?

  The Housemaid is terrible, like terrible. And it made like 300 million dollars.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  It made so much money.

• 34:44Bill Simmons?

  But proving it again, people love this genre. It's just, it's the perfect date movie, it's the perfect.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  No, I mean, there are reasons inside of the plot of that movie that there's like, we're not bothering with references and here's your weird little Garrett room and all. Like, it's all the same.

• 35:00Bill Simmons?

  And she's the next convict.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:02Bill Simmons?

  Um.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  And she looks like Sydney Sweeney.

• 35:04Bill Simmons?

  Next rewatchable, this won't win, but has to be mentioned, the 3 a.m. breastfeeding sets the alarm. Oh, that's nice. We're gonna get up with the baby.

• 35:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:13Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 35:16Bill Simmons?

  Gas from the audience. Oh, no. Um, the double date with Julianne Moore. Can't wait to talk to her later.

• 35:24Chris Ryan?

  Incredible.

• 35:24Bill Simmons?

  Never let an attractive woman in a power position in your home.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  Remember that one, Craig?

• 35:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, remember that one, Craig. We got multiple smoking?

• 35:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And also, Michael being like, can I have a cigarette? Which is a real...

• 35:40Bill Simmons?

  Let me have one of those, yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  What about the no, no hand smoking while driving?

• 35:44Chris Ryan?

  Oh, it's iconic.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, just like the cigarette dangling.

• 35:47Bill Simmons?

  The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world?

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:52Bill Simmons?

  Bonus points. Said the title. One of my favorites.

• 35:56Chris Ryan?

  Plus five.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  That's the name of the show.

• 35:57Bill Simmons?

  When I'm dead, it'll... That'll be the world. The Bill Simmons Award for saying the title in the script.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  When that happens, does it make more sense to you that Amanda Silver went from writing this later to being behind all the Apes movies and also the Avatar sequels?

• 36:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:13Bill Simmons?

  Is that true?

• 36:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. She does very well for herself.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's made a ton of money on Apes movies and the Avatar sequels.

• 36:19Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, I'm not surprised, because this movie's super smart. It's very well constructed.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:23Bill Simmons?

  So it makes sense that she figured out Apes.

• 36:28Bill Simmons?

  The lady at the park telling Peyton she has her baby's eyes.

• 36:35Bill Simmons?

  And our girl Becky, Becky DeMornay?

• 36:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:39Bill Simmons?

  Does the...

• 36:41Bill Simmons?

  Really? You're like, oh, man, here we go.

• 36:44Chris Ryan?

  Is this also when Peyton checks Roth, the little kid?

• 36:49Bill Simmons?

  Right in there. I'm limping those two together. Peyton fucking with the little kid.

• 36:53Chris Ryan?

  Peyton at the park is a good scene, yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:55Bill Simmons?

  I like when she, she has like a good angry walk across the park where it's like, oh, no. And then she pulls the kid, it's like definitely, you know.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  She like twists his arm behind his back.

• 37:05Bill Simmons?

  It's real child abuse going on, but it feels like benevolent child abuse.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  But also, did that kid have it coming?

• 37:09Bill Simmons?

  His arm's gonna be fine, and he had it coming.

• 37:11Chris Ryan?

  And all of his friends are like, that was so cool.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Maybe she scared him straight. Maybe he's gonna be great now.

• 37:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:18Bill Simmons?

  The FedEx envelope disappears.

• 37:23Chris Ryan?

  Don't wait till the last day, Michael.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  If you're an asthmatic, do you live in Seattle? There's a lot of hills. I just have questions about that.

• 37:28Bill Simmons?

  Lot of rain?

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Is rain bad for asthma?

• 37:32Chris Ryan?

  Is rain bad for asthma?

• 37:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it brings up shit.

• 37:34Chris Ryan?

  Does it?

• 37:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, doesn't it?

• 37:37Speaker 04

  I don't think so. I think rain usually gets rid, it clears out the air.

• 37:39Bill Simmons?

  I think that's what people think, but it's the opposite.

• 37:44Bill Simmons?

  Does it rain, kick up stuff?

• 37:45Chris Ryan?

  You should have done that in RFK voice.

• 37:47Bill Simmons?

  Actually, the rain is the worst. Actually. I've got ruda asthma vaccines.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  I think the first rain kicks up stuff.

• 37:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's what I thought. Like the very first rain of the year. It rains every day and nothing gets kicked up.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's constantly clean in Seattle.

• 38:02Bill Simmons?

  Bring the FedEx envelope to FedEx yourself. Don't give that one to the wife.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  Such a dickhead move.

• 38:07Bill Simmons?

  It's a once every three months thing. You gotta, you're really, you're gonna trust that to somebody else? Drive it yourself.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I do think you can give your wife an important document to mail.

• 38:18Bill Simmons?

  Like, it would be like, I wouldn't have given my wife.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Have a copy of it.

• 38:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 38:21Bill Simmons?

  Hey, Carrie, will you take this rewatchables rundown? I have no other copies. Here.

• 38:27Chris Ryan?

  Chris needs it.

• 38:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I thought that was ridiculous.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Wait, so that's in rewatchable? We're just into ridiculous?

• 38:34Bill Simmons?

  I'm just going through all the scenes. I like when she steals the envelope and dumb Claire doesn't realize it and has the asthma attack.

• 38:40Chris Ryan?

  I like when she goes nuts in the bathroom stall.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Oh, just ripping it up?

• 38:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and then she just starts banging shit with the plunger.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Oh, the plunger.

• 38:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  I'm like, that's evidence. Why would you leave all that evidence behind in the bathroom stall?

• 38:49Chris Ryan?

  People could have totally heard that.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:51Chris Ryan?

  Claire's outside the door. She's like, yeah, the bathroom's right there. And she's like, good, because I have to destroy it.

• 38:56Bill Simmons?

  She has two good freak out scenes. The second one near the end, when she's trying to break open the door. And DeMorn is just like.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, the, her, her shining audition.

• 39:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's really going nuts.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. The poker, she's great with a shovel.

• 39:12Chris Ryan?

  She learned all that in The Slugger's Wife.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:15Bill Simmons?

  This is in the running for most rewatchable. Good Slugger's Wife reference. Peyton, Peyton being mean to Solomon.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  That's mine. Are you, are you a retard?

• 39:30Bill Simmons?

  Are you a retard?

• 39:30Chris Ryan?

  He's like, no.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  And then the slap.

• 39:33Bill Simmons?

  Did you like looking at me?

• 39:35Speaker 02

  That's, that scene is insane.

• 39:38Bill Simmons?

  My version of the story will be better.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  1992.

• 39:43Bill Simmons?

  It's really great. I love Solomon. It's really hurtful when she's that mean to him.

• 39:47Chris Ryan?

  It's so fucked up, yeah.

• 39:49Bill Simmons?

  It, it really ties in like.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Just that line is an opener and you're just like, what movie am I watching?

• 39:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, she's also like, that's more evidence of like, you were fucked up before your sexually abusive husband died. You know, like.

• 40:03Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 40:05Bill Simmons?

  From this moment on, the movie is off the rails.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  I feel like I could tell by the amount of pipe railing that they had at their house that she was mentally unwell.

• 40:13Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Before this all started.

• 40:15Bill Simmons?

  The smoking date to plan the party, I put this in just for CR. Julianne Moore and Matt McCoy.

• 40:21Chris Ryan?

  It's on.

• 40:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 40:23Chris Ryan?

  It is on between Marlene and Michael.

• 40:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think there might have been a, she might have blown him in the car.

• 40:28Chris Ryan?

  I will say, I have never done that with another woman.

• 40:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Chris Ryan?

  Like. Chain smoking at a bar late at night to plan my wife's birthday. Especially when your wife knows you only smoke with her. I know. Yes.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  And then he, he doesn't even like, like swish with some scope or something like that.

• 40:45Chris Ryan?

  He gives her a double kiss.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, double, double kiss when he got a cigarette mouth.

• 40:48Chris Ryan?

  I've come home and I'm super excited, like, I'm all fired up from the bar and it's.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  From the blowjob in the car?

• 40:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 40:54Bill Simmons?

  Well, he's also has a beard. Like, you gotta like, if you're hiding the smoking evidence after, you gotta go into the bathroom before you leave the bar.

• 41:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Wash your face.

• 41:03Chris Ryan?

  You gotta do the Silkwood shower.

• 41:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I need, you gotta put stuff.

• 41:07Bill Simmons?

  You have to.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. I make that reference all the time and people look at me blankly.

• 41:11Bill Simmons?

  He comes in, he's chewing gum, like, what's going on? Like, but no, he just comes right in, double kiss.

• 41:17Chris Ryan?

  My wife likes to remind me of how like, my whole thing would be like, I'm gonna have this one cigarette before I go into like Easter dinner or anything important. It's just like, so that I don't have to go out afterwards or like in the middle of dinner. And she's like, then you would like, triple inhale like an entire Camel Light and come in and just smell like Mickey Rourke. And everybody would be like, Jesus Christ. This guy just rolled out of.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  And you're like, the party's here.

• 41:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Bill Simmons?

  Well, Claire's somehow not threatened at all by Marlene or the nanny.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Cause Marlene's a girl's girl, honestly.

• 41:50Chris Ryan?

  Claire really only cares about plant life.

• 41:52Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, but she's clear, she clearly has issues with that Marlene was the husband's first love. Right?

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Only because DeMornay's like stirring it up.

• 42:02Bill Simmons?

  No, but even before that, I, come on, that's, it's, that's a whiff weird.

• 42:07Chris Ryan?

  They seem like they used to be tight and now it's ones every like two months they see each other.

• 42:12Bill Simmons?

  Definitely they had.

• 42:13Chris Ryan?

  Life gets in the way.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Life does get in the way. I do find that like the way that Julianne Moore comes in hot and she's like, this chick? Are you kidding me? Get her out of here?

• 42:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  You know, and then in terms of like investigative journalism, Julianne Moore's on the case. So I kind of feel like she's, she's kind of a girl's girl.

• 42:28Chris Ryan?

  She's like basically like the slightly nicer version of Peyton. So she's like game recognizes game. I know a crazy one.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  I love that. I love her.

• 42:37Bill Simmons?

  To jump on those two points, Marlene's basically probably broke up with the husband, right?

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 42:43Bill Simmons?

  So it's like they're buddies, but deep down she knows like that could have been my husband.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just didn't want it.

• 42:49Bill Simmons?

  I'm in the power seat.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  I didn't want a scientist.

• 42:54Bill Simmons?

  Claire yell, oh, smoking date to plan the party into Peyton hitting on Michael at the, yeah. Claire yells at Michael with the surprise party happening in the next room. Unbelievable.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Really tough.

• 43:08Bill Simmons?

  Unbelievable.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Everybody's here. Everybody's here.

• 43:10Chris Ryan?

  Thing turns into curb for a second.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:14Bill Simmons?

  Greenhouse murder.

• 43:18Bill Simmons?

  I love the apple eating.

• 43:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  A green apple.

• 43:21Bill Simmons?

  It's just like.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  That's how, that's how I eat a green apple.

• 43:26Bill Simmons?

  Is it? Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. I love green apples and that's how I eat them because.

• 43:29Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 43:30Speaker 02

  It's how my grandpa ate them and that's who taught me.

• 43:32Chris Ryan?

  Whittle it like a piece of.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you carve it. Yeah.

• 43:34Bill Simmons?

  Do you empty inhalers with the same orgasmic look on your face or no?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  I stopped to look at myself in the mirror and I just go, yeah, I'm doing it about to murder someone.

• 43:43Bill Simmons?

  Emptying nine asthma inhalers.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:46Bill Simmons?

  Claire punches Peyton.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Great. Right into the.

• 43:51Bill Simmons?

  Pretty good right hook.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Right into the dining room table.

• 43:53Chris Ryan?

  Wife.

• 43:54Bill Simmons?

  And then the big fight scene.

• 43:55Chris Ryan?

  It's my family.

• 43:57Bill Simmons?

  Lot of good attic fight scenes over the years.

• 43:59Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 44:00Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what your favorite one is, CR.

• 44:02Chris Ryan?

  You know.

• 44:03Bill Simmons?

  It's time we go in the attic, shit's going down.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  That's a niche genre.

• 44:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 44:06Chris Ryan?

  Attic fight scene pyramid. Let's do it.

• 44:09Bill Simmons?

  There's been some good ones. Sometimes somebody will just fall through the attic.

• 44:12Chris Ryan?

  Fight in the attic of Home Alone, do they? I'm trying to think.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Is there a fight in the attic of Money Pit?

• 44:16Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:18Bill Simmons?

  What's your most rewatchable scene?

• 44:22Chris Ryan?

  I think I'm going with Marlene's death. It's really like the way that she designs the greenhouse to collapse so that when the door opens and it's just awful, like getting showered with plate glass would be really, really a bad way to go.

• 44:38Speaker 04

  You think that would kill you?

• 44:40Speaker 02

  It depends, like, I was looking for a shard in, like, the jugular or something like that.

• 44:43Bill Simmons?

  I had this later in picking.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  I think if she hunches down, like, if you give the ceiling your back, you can survive. But if, like, your neck's here and a shard hits you in the neck.

• 44:54Chris Ryan?

  You remember a nice guy where he punches the glass and, like, his wrist is just exploding with blood? Like, imagine that times forty. I just don't know if the ceiling, the roof is high enough to create that much velocity to impale you like that.

• 45:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 45:07Bill Simmons?

  I had it as my number one pick and knit. I don't think you'd die.

• 45:11Chris Ryan?

  Well, it doesn't really matter because it's not like Peyton was gonna let her live.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think if she was just dazed, she would have taken a shard and just, like, stabbed it in her neck anyway.

• 45:19Bill Simmons?

  What Joe said is the right point. It should have been one of the shards, like, she's like this.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Where the shards right at the neck or like.

• 45:24Bill Simmons?

  She should have had a piece of glass sticking out of her neck.

• 45:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:26Bill Simmons?

  Otherwise, you're just getting showered with blood.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  It's just like a genteel trickle of blood, like, out of her nose. Yeah, you can duck and cover.

• 45:32Bill Simmons?

  It could cut your, like, what's that, leg artery that just, like?

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Femoral, femoral.

• 45:37Bill Simmons?

  That could have been the other one. That's not my favorite scene. Mine is when she's mean to Solomon.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:46Bill Simmons?

  That scene's amazing. I just can't believe, there's just no way in 2026 they would have a scene like that. And I think it's so effective and so good.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  The Solomon character does not exist in 2020.

• 45:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and he's so, like, terrified.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  And she just slaps him. It's so good.

• 46:01Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1992 thing about this movie, Joanna?

• 46:04Speaker 02

  That a scientist could live in that house. So this is 808 North Yakima Street in Seattle. It's an actual place, and I looked it up on Zillow. Right now, it's 1.8 million dollars. And this guy's a scientist who does work with the EPA. Like, he's not living in that house.

• 46:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and he's still got a FedEx's own applications for stuff. So he's not on retainer anywhere.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, in real life, he's, they're living in an apartment and Claire is still working at the coffee house down.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Right. Claire doesn't have a job. They're hiring live in work, you know, and like, I don't know what they're paying Solomon or if that's just like through the organization.

• 46:37Chris Ryan?

  Charity thing.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'm just like, and, and they're hoping for more kids along the way. I'm just like, this is unreasonable and a science if he was in tech, maybe.

• 46:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's Claire's big project being like, I'm gonna do some gardening is not really like the, the number one, like, well, I'm getting pulled away from my two kids here, you know, so we gotta get some childcare.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we gotta get a live at home.

• 46:57Chris Ryan?

  Like, I think you could garden and keep an eye on the kids personally, but, you know.

• 47:01Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for your 92?

• 47:03Chris Ryan?

  Uh, chain smoking at work.

• 47:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Chris Ryan?

  A little late for chain smoking at work, I think, but it is Marlene puffing away while she's like, what do you want to tip?

• 47:14Speaker 02

  She's so great.

• 47:17Bill Simmons?

  I have a, I have six, seven things. Julianne Moore not playing the lead female role.

• 47:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:24Bill Simmons?

  That could only have happened before like 1995.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:27Bill Simmons?

  Matt McCoy's hair beard combo.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Elite.

• 47:31Bill Simmons?

  Just specific to the early 90s. Also, same as the sleeping with the enemy guy that she falls for. Not that, not.

• 47:38Chris Ryan?

  Laura!

• 47:39Bill Simmons?

  Not that guy, but the other guy.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  The theater teacher.

• 47:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, theater teacher.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:42Bill Simmons?

  It was this weird two year stretch where longer hair, little mullet, and then like a big bushy beard.

• 47:48Chris Ryan?

  And kind of like a vague, I'm in the sciences.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Very Dr. Quinn medicine woman of them, yeah.

• 47:54Bill Simmons?

  Suitcases without wheels. She shows up carrying the suitcase. Uh, no references or no Googling of a nanny. I just think in 2026, no way. There's a Sony baby call at one point. I don't think they make those anymore, but I do think that was early 90s.

• 48:10Chris Ryan?

  On to bigger and better things.

• 48:11Bill Simmons?

  There's a lack of crest white strips in this movie that's really apparent. I'm just gonna go there. It's kinda mean.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Julianne Moore especially.

• 48:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Julianne Moore, everybody in the movie.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  She got her teeth bleached after this movie, for sure.

• 48:21Bill Simmons?

  This was an early 90s thing and then, uh.

• 48:23Chris Ryan?

  Just in time for Jurassic Park 3 or whatever she was in, yeah.

• 48:26Bill Simmons?

  And then going to the library.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  The Lost World, put some respect.

• 48:29Bill Simmons?

  Going to the library to research news events.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Microfiche. Microfiche is on my list, too.

• 48:33Bill Simmons?

  This was, so.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  I love microfiche.

• 48:35Bill Simmons?

  I remember senior in college and then grad school going to the library like a lot for shit like that. And two years later, you just didn't have to anymore.

• 48:43Chris Ryan?

  The, uh, the, there's also like something to be said for how nice the FedEx looks that they go to.

• 48:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:50Chris Ryan?

  Like, it's like a, like a pretty nice looking storefront, like, kind of counter that they've got there. But yeah, this is, this got some great.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  Microfiche and like enhance, enhance, enhance on the microfiche. Very good.

• 49:03Bill Simmons?

  That was like, if you look through those long enough, you just started to go cross-eyed.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  I love a microfiche moment in a movie, like in Pelican Brief, I think they're in a microfiche. Like, that's always a great movie. Yeah.

• 49:14Chris Ryan?

  Ninety-two Sonics won it.

• 49:17Bill Simmons?

  That, that wasn't mentioned.

• 49:19Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 49:20Bill Simmons?

  Um, when you see nineteen ninety-two movies, does it look like a better or a worse time for, to live?

• 49:26Chris Ryan?

  Better. Which I think is kind of like all the rage now is to say that, but I do, I do think that there's like a. That's where the backroom started. That's right.

• 49:34Chris Ryan?

  Eighty-nine earthquake. I think the feeling that they're like just right before the tech boom, internet in the nineties.

• 49:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's simpler times.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:42Bill Simmons?

  The Floyd Gondole better butter on my ass and lollipops on my, my mouth award for something I just enjoy. I can't speak. What do you have?

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Julianne Moore being an unapologetic bitch in this movie. I just really loved it.

• 49:56Bill Simmons?

  She's in character the entire movie and not wavering once.

• 49:59Chris Ryan?

  Julianne Moore could have stolen my husband with one arm tied behind her back, but doesn't. Yeah, yeah.

• 50:03Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 50:04Chris Ryan?

  That's it. Like Julianne Moore.

• 50:07Bill Simmons?

  I have one, uh, it's really for CR.

• 50:11Bill Simmons?

  People hiding their smoking habits in a movie. It's just so relatable. Fucking love it. When she pulls the cigarettes out at dinner and he's had two drinks and he's like, can I have one of those? It's like, oh, yeah.

• 50:23Chris Ryan?

  But when she's like, he only smokes around you. I'm like, that's a fucking problem.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  That's tough. That's tough.

• 50:28Bill Simmons?

  You're the fucking best. You bring it out of him.

• 50:31Chris Ryan?

  And you know that they had like such a long fight about that going home.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:35Chris Ryan?

  So when she smokes, it's okay, huh? Like.

• 50:37Bill Simmons?

  And then watching after with, like, we talked about that scene when he kisses her and it's clear she's been sm- like, just. All the machinations you have to do if you had smoke, but you don't want her to find out. And you're just watching it going, dude, just do this, this and this.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  This is where we have to give Peyton credit. She's a great improviser and she knows exactly. She lifted the lighter of all things, the lighter to put in his, his coat pocket.

• 51:01Bill Simmons?

  Well, this leads us to a bonus smoking category, the Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award. Excellence on, on screen smoking combined with the Edie Falco and Copeland award.

• 51:12Bill Simmons?

  For the character that got three times hotter by smoking. Julianne Moore, come on down.

• 51:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:17Bill Simmons?

  You did great. Really felt like she was probably banging out two packs a day.

• 51:22Chris Ryan?

  She got called up to the majors on this one.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  There's like a lot of ash on the one that she's smoking in the car. Also, again, her incorrect.

• 51:29Bill Simmons?

  The no hands in the car is out of control.

• 51:31Chris Ryan?

  Do you know what that character 100% has? A full car ashtray.

• 51:35Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:36Chris Ryan?

  It fucking reeks.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Right next to her car phone.

• 51:39Bill Simmons?

  No, what's, what's, what else she has is the glove compartment has three extra packs.

• 51:44Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 51:45Bill Simmons?

  Like she bought like six at the gas station.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Super bright lipstick, just like on all the filters too. Lipstick on a cigarette filter.

• 51:52Bill Simmons?

  Her disappointment of only having matches is great. Like she's, we've always talked about when you own a lighter. It's like the next, it's like moving in with your girlfriend, basically for smoking.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  You've committed. What about the cigarette case?

• 52:04Bill Simmons?

  Matches is like they sleep over, but they just have a tip.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Cigarette case, yeah.

• 52:09Bill Simmons?

  Oh, cigarette cases. If you have a cigarette case and lighter, like you're just gonna be dead.

• 52:13Chris Ryan?

  But if you have a lighter you like, and somebody's like, can I bum a light? You're like, I am watching you light it. And then I'm like putting my hand out to be like, we're not walking off with this one, you know?

• 52:21Bill Simmons?

  What was the most expensive lighter you ever had?

• 52:23Chris Ryan?

  I got a lighter for my birthday from like Anthropologie that was World War One, like trench style.

• 52:32Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 52:32Chris Ryan?

  So it had like a wind blocker. It was like a Zippo, but it was like really good for lighting in the wind.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I had an Art Deco one that sort of like slid back and the, the light came up out of the top.

• 52:43Bill Simmons?

  Former smoker?

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Cloves only in true 90s fashion. And I did have a cigarette case.

• 52:48Bill Simmons?

  I got an engraved lighter in the 90s from somebody once.

• 52:51Chris Ryan?

  That's nice.

• 52:52Bill Simmons?

  Lost it.

• 52:52Chris Ryan?

  Did you ever have any like novelty, like naked lady lighters?

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 52:56Bill Simmons?

  No, I realized pretty early. Did not.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Chris, did you?

• 53:02Chris Ryan?

  How many? Like gas stations, ones where like her bikini would fall off as the lighter fluid went down?

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:08Bill Simmons?

  I was always a matches guy.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  How old were you when you had that?

• 53:10Chris Ryan?

  22.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

• 53:13Bill Simmons?

  We always drew that face.

• 53:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Bill Simmons?

  I just was always matches. What's age the best?

• 53:17Chris Ryan?

  Could you do snap match? Could you, could you like?

• 53:20Bill Simmons?

  Never like at that level.

• 53:22Chris Ryan?

  Alright.

• 53:22Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? Evil nannies?

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Uh, sure. Evil nannies.

• 53:28Bill Simmons?

  True crime has helped the evil nanny.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Here's what I think.

• 53:30Bill Simmons?

  Genre.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  I think now, especially having watched The Housemaid and other of the genre, we're really afraid to let women just be evil. And I think we should just let women be evil.

• 53:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  It's fun. I think it's perfectly feminist to let women be evil.

• 53:45Bill Simmons?

  I am in the camp of all types of people should get to be evil in movies without us having like think pieces about it.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:52Bill Simmons?

  Like, let's just get weird again.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  We've gone so far in the other direction that with like the house, spoiler to The Housemaid or Sirens, the Julianne Moore Netflix show that was horrible.

• 54:00Bill Simmons?

  Horrible.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  We've like swung into, you think she's crazy, but actually it's the husband is the problem, you know? And it's just like, women can be evil. Women can do anything, including be evil.

• 54:13Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? Asthma wheezing?

• 54:18Chris Ryan?

  It's a good central like Achilles heel for a character.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:21Chris Ryan?

  Asthma, yeah.

• 54:22Bill Simmons?

  When do you want to do your asthma monologue, Craig? Later or now?

• 54:25Chris Ryan?

  I can use it for my flex.

• 54:27Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 54:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:29Bill Simmons?

  It's good because it's like weakness. You feel like, you know, it's like the kryptonite of the character.

• 54:35Chris Ryan?

  She can't take stress. You know what I mean? Like, but I'm like, I'm the iron lady. Like, these kids can't stress me out.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Like, again, in the improvis- improvisation front, I've kill, okay, I had to waste my greenhouse trap on Julianne Moore. Oh, well. Okay, I can set this up now as a domino effect to still kill her anyway. Cause I've emptied all of her inhalers. And it's just like, what can't this woman do?

• 54:58Bill Simmons?

  How, what was the threshold for an asthma attack for her? Like, if they were arguing about what movie to go do and she's like.

• 55:04Chris Ryan?

  The FedEx thing is like a real like.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  FedEx plus a steep hill.

• 55:08Chris Ryan?

  Does this, does this freak you out? Like, what, like, does life just make you have an asthma attack? Like, sometimes FedEx, you won't bring the envelope by accident.

• 55:17Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I have a couple more. What do you have?

• 55:19Chris Ryan?

  Just early 90s Seattle as a location, both in terms of its cultural relevance that wound up aging the best, but it just looks great. It's got great architecture, great topography for like your sand hills.

• 55:30Bill Simmons?

  It feels like that one hill, that the FedEx Hill?

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:33Bill Simmons?

  I feel like that hill's been in like 40 movies.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  It's right. It's like the bottom.

• 55:37Bill Simmons?

  Was it the hill in The Vanishing where Jeff Bridges kills?

• 55:39Chris Ryan?

  Oh, maybe.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  At the bottom of that hill, I believe, is where Pike's Place is. So it's just like right, like that downtown.

• 55:46Bill Simmons?

  Maybe the best hill of all the hills to show that you're in Seattle. But I feel like there's been a bunch of stuff there.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  I was thinking about putting this in Apex Mountain because Singles is also 92 and Sleepless in Seattle is 93.

• 55:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  So like Seattle's just like having its time.

• 56:00Chris Ryan?

  And then music is going.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:01Chris Ryan?

  Xavier McDaniel is going.

• 56:03Bill Simmons?

  Music's going. What's happening, CR?

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Why? Why do you think they did Gilbert and Sullivan instead of Grunge in this movie?

• 56:08Chris Ryan?

  I don't know. That's the thing. It's like, you know that Michael is like, I think I might go see Soundgarden play.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  He's wearing flannel. He's ready.

• 56:15Chris Ryan?

  It's the music box. Yeah.

• 56:17Bill Simmons?

  I have, for what's aged the best, the horny husband friend that comes over and sees the nanny for the first time.

• 56:22Chris Ryan?

  I have him.

• 56:23Bill Simmons?

  It's a fucking staple of this movie.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  He's like, boy, yo, yoing.

• 56:26Chris Ryan?

  Different category for this guy. Yeah.

• 56:28Bill Simmons?

  He's just in heat. But they always have to do that in a movie where like somebody leave the room and the one guy will be the other guy. Whoa.

• 56:36Chris Ryan?

  So I had him in Butch's Girlfriend. Do you think that it's realistic that Marlene would have such a simp as a husband? Or do you think it's like this is the guy that she is like kind of running?

• 56:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I, I think that guy was super fun. I just think his scenes got cut out.

• 56:53Bill Simmons?

  I think that guy was a fun hang. We just didn't, we just didn't get enough minutes with him.

• 56:57Chris Ryan?

  Mr. Craven?

• 56:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I think that guy.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Invite him over.

• 57:00Bill Simmons?

  Because the thing is.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  To oggle your nanny.

• 57:02Bill Simmons?

  He's, he's cool with Marlene and his buddy.

• 57:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:07Bill Simmons?

  Which means he's cool. Like he, he just, he's amused by everything. So I think he was a good hang.

• 57:12Chris Ryan?

  Happy hour starts at 3:45.

• 57:13Bill Simmons?

  Hundred percent.

• 57:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  But yeah, absolutely. She's running him. And absolutely she makes all the money in that relationship.

• 57:19Bill Simmons?

  That guy had six Sonics tickets.

• 57:22Chris Ryan?

  He's there on the ground floor.

• 57:24Bill Simmons?

  He knew a guy from Sub Pop.

• 57:25Chris Ryan?

  Of Ken Griffey Jr.

• 57:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that guy that's making shit happen in Seattle.

• 57:31Bill Simmons?

  He knew the Griffys.

• 57:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:35Bill Simmons?

  I also have a really good little girl performance.

• 57:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Bill Simmons?

  Mad Ozeama's good in this movie.

• 57:39Chris Ryan?

  She's great. And they give her a character. Like, she actually gets to have, like, influence on the plot.

• 57:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Any other what's aged you best for you?

• 57:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:47Bill Simmons?

  Okay. Great Jack Gorder Award? I don't know, Sierra, what you got?

• 57:50Chris Ryan?

  I like Ms. Mott stepping out from the bus. Like, when she sees the bus stop, and then she kind of just emerges from the side. It's such, so ominous. It's like, who would stop a school bus like that? But then she has, like, a little bit of the sugar going where she's like, thanks for stopping for me. But it's like, this is the devil just walked out.

• 58:09Bill Simmons?

  I had, uh, when Claire finally passes out from the...

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Oh, and she's like flopping fish on the porch.

• 58:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it looks like she's dead.

• 58:18Speaker 02

  I have, um, I mean, I like the glass shattering, maybe because it made me fear greenhouses forever, but the glass shattering down from the greenhouse. But more importantly, when the dumb husband, Matt McCoy, goes downstairs and he's like, oh, it was just the alarm clock, like, no need to worry. And he comes up the stairs and she just, like, in her red cardigan, like, pops out from around the corner with the shovel and you get a little horror movie cue when she does it.

• 58:43Bill Simmons?

  It's a good one.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  And then she just smacks him. It's great. I literally jumped.

• 58:47Bill Simmons?

  He somehow breaks both his legs falling seven feet.

• 58:49Chris Ryan?

  And Claire's kind of like, I'll deal with you later.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then she's like, should we go see daddy? When everything's fine, she's like, let's go see daddy who's crippled in the basement. It's fine.

• 58:59Bill Simmons?

  Big Kahunah Burger Award, best use of food or drink has to be the green apple.

• 59:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 59:07Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell Brocklanders Award for best character name, Marlene Craven?

• 59:11Chris Ryan?

  I had Peyton Flanders.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Peyton Flanders, preppy from hell.

• 59:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Peyton.

• 59:15Bill Simmons?

  Marlene Craven?

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Peyton Flanders?

• 59:19Bill Simmons?

  You want me to spell it for you?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  The number of times people in this movie go, Payden. I just think it's a great, it's a great name to shout.

• 59:28Bill Simmons?

  Payden is a good name.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Payden.

• 59:29Bill Simmons?

  Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happyness, it's really just Pirates of the Penzance coming from the basement. I think would be the only thing.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Penzance and Pinafore.

• 59:35Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for Flexy R?

• 59:37Chris Ryan?

  For the Billy Bats, Jacque, Jack Waltz Award for most biting and scalable insult. When your husband makes love to you, it's my face he sees. I got that same exact thing. You know what? This is basically what Sam Presti says to Sixers fans right now. Because McCain is in the three-guard rotation.

• 59:58Chris Ryan?

  When your baby's hungry, it's my breast that feeds him.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:00:03Bill Simmons?

  Really some cutting insults.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Incredibly good.

• 1:00:05Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. So.

• 1:00:09Chris Ryan?

  I have Marty Craven.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  I don't know if this is a nitpick instead of a weak link.

• 1:00:14Bill Simmons?

  He courtsized for the Sonics that year, though.

• 1:00:18Chris Ryan?

  He's hanging out with Bezos and Gates.

• 1:00:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:21Chris Ryan?

  I think we have a huge mission for this.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  I had to co-sign this. Marty Craven, get him out of here.

• 1:00:25Chris Ryan?

  It could have been so much better.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Chris Ryan?

  Like even if they had Mel from 90210 switch roles with Marty.

• 1:00:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Chris Ryan?

  And he's Marty Craven, right? Because he's in the beginning, the first scene with the.

• 1:00:37Bill Simmons?

  That's the twin brother.

• 1:00:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Bill Simmons?

  That's not, that's not Eddie and the Cruisers, that's his twin brother.

• 1:00:44Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, so this is part of the Eddie and the Cruisers IP then, you think?

• 1:00:48Bill Simmons?

  Eddie and the Cruisers guy, his twin brother is in this movie.

• 1:00:53Chris Ryan?

  Wait, really?

• 1:00:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah, I have stuff coming on later for it.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:00:57Chris Ryan?

  Is he fucking with you?

• 1:00:58Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:00:59Chris Ryan?

  He's a twin brother.

• 1:01:00Bill Simmons?

  It's a twin brother. Not the same guy.

• 1:01:02Chris Ryan?

  Which guy is in?

• 1:01:03Bill Simmons?

  Which is some guys from Jersey. Not the same guy.

• 1:01:06Chris Ryan?

  Which one's in 90210?

• 1:01:09Bill Simmons?

  Eddie and the Cruisers.

• 1:01:10Chris Ryan?

  Okay. All right.

• 1:01:12Bill Simmons?

  I have for Butch's Girlfriend. I did go in the male actor category, but not Marty Craven, who I actually enjoyed. Matt McCoy.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:01:21Bill Simmons?

  The Hereditary actor for a movie.

• 1:01:24Chris Ryan?

  Wait a second. Matt McCoy took over for Gutenberg in Police Academy. He is a cinematic actor.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  He is a cornerstone of IP.

• 1:01:33Chris Ryan?

  I think he's in Citizens on Patrol.

• 1:01:34Bill Simmons?

  He's, they're like, we're filming.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  The Moscow based one?

• 1:01:38Bill Simmons?

  We're filming an elevated Lifetime movie and he's just in a Lifetime movie. I, I just feel like.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  But that character just is nothing. It's a nothing character.

• 1:01:46Bill Simmons?

  I know, but like, throw Alec Baldwin in there.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  There's only one woman for me.

• 1:01:50Bill Simmons?

  Is it, but he should be, I don't know what he is. Is he a little hornier than he should be? A little less horny than he should be? Is he?

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  You think he should be more tempted by?

• 1:02:00Bill Simmons?

  I think he should be a little more tempted.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  A, a see-through nightgown? By a woman towel padding him dry?

• 1:02:06Bill Simmons?

  Little more tempted, little more aware of the circumstances and, um, I just think he's like dorky.

• 1:02:12Chris Ryan?

  So who would you put in?

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  You would put Baldwin in.

• 1:02:15Bill Simmons?

  I was thinking like Bill Pullman's probably the better version of this guy.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Well, Bill Pullman would be less horny.

• 1:02:21Bill Simmons?

  Right, but I'm saying if you're gonna go this direction, I would go Bill Pullman.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  You want Lone Star?

• 1:02:25Bill Simmons?

  But I want like the, the husband that might get sucked into this. That's Baldwin.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Bill Simmons?

  I think it's like Malice Baldwin.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Can I interest you in a Billy Baldwin?

• 1:02:34Bill Simmons?

  You could. You could interest me in any Baldwin. You know, all the Baldwins.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  Daniel?

• 1:02:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Steven?

• 1:02:40Bill Simmons?

  I'll take any Baldwin. I just thought Matt McCoy, I just, he didn't do it for me.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Polaria Baldwin?

• 1:02:46Bill Simmons?

  Polaria, maybe cut it off there. Um, Vincent Chase award for, are we sure this character was actually good at his or her job? I have Claire. You have one job. Protect the house. You let this psycho in.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  She's growing a lot of plants.

• 1:03:04Bill Simmons?

  You let this psycho in who kills your best friend and does 20 things before you realize what's going on. Like, come on lady.

• 1:03:09Chris Ryan?

  Uh, got a zag and say it's Michael as a husband and a father. First of all.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:03:14Chris Ryan?

  His reaction when she's like, my OBGYN sexually abused me is, I think we better report this. We better call it in. That guy's running that fucking guy over with his car and then he'll be like, let's see if there's like, so.

• 1:03:27Bill Simmons?

  That's why we needed Alec Baldwin. He would've been fucking pissed.

• 1:03:30Chris Ryan?

  He is fucking losing it the first second. And then second of all, like, he just basically is like, sounds like you guys got the house situation all taken care of. I'm going to the, to the lab for the rest of my life. Yeah.

• 1:03:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Um, can I zag again?

• 1:03:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  And say-

• 1:03:46Bill Simmons?

  Double zag.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Did Solomon really build a great fence? If it broke to shit as soon as Rebecca Dimornay fell on it?

• 1:03:54Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:03:55Chris Ryan?

  Well-

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Is that a sturdy fence?

• 1:03:57Chris Ryan?

  That's another Michael Demerit is like, pay for good construction. You know what I mean? Like, you're trying to get like, free labor out of like, the Better Days Foundation?

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  I would rather-

• 1:04:05Bill Simmons?

  He's charitable guy.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  I mean, she definitely needs to wind up impaled. But impaled on a still intact fence? That's, that would be my request from Solomon's Construction.

• 1:04:15Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's age the worst. We mentioned Ernie Hudson playing a special needs character-

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  I would take Solomon as a character.

• 1:04:20Bill Simmons?

  Would not be flying in 2026. So, this movie's set in Seattle and it never rains?

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  It rains all the time.

• 1:04:27Bill Simmons?

  In this movie, it's like, twice. It's sunny and happy, like, over and over again.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  No, everyone's in like, rain, like-

• 1:04:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Seattle's depressing. It's why I didn't want to live there.

• 1:04:36Chris Ryan?

  It's not.

• 1:04:37Bill Simmons?

  It fucking rains there 270 days a year.

• 1:04:39Chris Ryan?

  Don't yell at me.

• 1:04:41Bill Simmons?

  It should be raining in this movie all the time.

• 1:04:43Chris Ryan?

  Rain's expensive for movies.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  It is raining, like, it's pouring when she's in the hospital.

• 1:04:49Bill Simmons?

  Bunch of park scenes?

• 1:04:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  You don't think they go to the park in Seattle? I think they go to parks.

• 1:04:55Bill Simmons?

  We lived in a movie in Seattle in the 07 range, and the rain statistics-

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Every time I've been there, it's been quite sunny and, and nice.

• 1:05:03Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 1:05:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:05Bill Simmons?

  Michael not being mad at his wife for losing the FedEx plans?

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  You think he should have taken a plunger and sort of beaten against the wall in his frustration?

• 1:05:14Bill Simmons?

  He's like, no, no, it's fine. I'll get to it next quarter, it's fine, I'd like to do some work now. I just feel like he'd be a little more upset.

• 1:05:21Chris Ryan?

  What's, so, he's applying for a grant of some kind?

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  From the EPA, right?

• 1:05:25Chris Ryan?

  Or he's like, a patent application or something, but he's waiting until deadline day?

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  The last minute.

• 1:05:31Chris Ryan?

  He's got a FedEx and he has no second cop-

• 1:05:33Bill Simmons?

  She had her asthma attack all ready to go if he got really mad at her.

• 1:05:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:36Bill Simmons?

  It's just like-

• 1:05:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh, so you're saying she's-

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  One hand on the inhaler.

• 1:05:40Chris Ryan?

  Laying it on a bit thin.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Oh, do you think he's afraid to yell at her, lest he trigger an attack?

• 1:05:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was a-

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  She's weaponized her asthma.

• 1:05:47Bill Simmons?

  He's like, keep one job. You had your fucking, the FedEx thing's in your bag. You lost it? Like, I don't understand. How'd you lose it? Go back to the restaurant. This is my career. He's just like, yeah, dude, I'll get it together in three months.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  I don't know, I think the chilly passive aggressive disappointment is harder to take than an outburst of anger.

• 1:06:06Bill Simmons?

  I didn't like that character.

• 1:06:08Chris Ryan?

  How do you think Marty Craven would have reacted?

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Chris Ryan?

  He would have been like, it's all right, I got Sonic tickets.

• 1:06:14Bill Simmons?

  You could make it up to be the old fashioned way.

• 1:06:19Bill Simmons?

  Also Peyton, there's only one woman for me. What did that even mean?

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  I met my wife.

• 1:06:28Chris Ryan?

  I like the fact that-

• 1:06:29Bill Simmons?

  Fucking weird thing to say.

• 1:06:30Chris Ryan?

  Peyton so tweet out that she actually takes that literally.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  My favorite-

• 1:06:36Bill Simmons?

  As she's the woman.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Peyton tweet out moment is, uh, I'll just get my baby. I mean my thing.

• 1:06:46Bill Simmons?

  What else do you have for what's age the worst? Cause I have a couple more.

• 1:06:48Chris Ryan?

  Letters of reference, certainly.

• 1:06:51Bill Simmons?

  Need those.

• 1:06:52Chris Ryan?

  Seattle real estate prices no longer are like that.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:06:55Chris Ryan?

  Um, and I couldn't decide whether to put this in picking nits, but I'll put it in what's age the worst. Cause when you watch the movie, you're like, this kind of takes me out. So when Claire pushes Peyton through the window in the attic, she is going full dead sprint to knock her through the window. And then throws on the brakes like prime Daryl Revis.

• 1:07:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Chris Ryan?

  This is like an asthma patient. Like she is not that athletic, but she like puts her through a wall and then stops just to avoid going through the window. And is like at a standstill. It's just really physically unbelievable.

• 1:07:29Bill Simmons?

  You have anything?

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  I really think Solomon is the crowning achievement of this movie.

• 1:07:36Bill Simmons?

  I have no nanny cams. Now you just have cameras all over the place for the psychopath that she, your greenhouse exploded and then she wanders out to make sure Marlene's dead. You would just have that on film. Um, big missed opportunity here. I didn't know, I almost put this in weak link. No pet for Peyton McCall?

• 1:07:57Chris Ryan?

  There's, there's a dead cat somewhere in this.

• 1:07:59Bill Simmons?

  Easy four minutes. So. Oh, where's Lucky?

• 1:08:03Chris Ryan?

  No, there was-

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  I think it's a dog.

• 1:08:04Chris Ryan?

  You think it's a dog?

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  That's a dog.

• 1:08:05Chris Ryan?

  Or a dog. Emma, like, you know, or maybe-

• 1:08:09Chris Ryan?

  Peyton like stages a fake dog bite and they're like, we have to put it down.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  We have to put it, well, that's Solomon. Solomon is the puppy of this movie.

• 1:08:16Chris Ryan?

  And then Peyton blames Claire for putting the dog down. Yeah.

• 1:08:19Bill Simmons?

  I just think it's an easy cat murder. Sorry, Joanna.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 1:08:23Bill Simmons?

  I just think that's like, what happened to Lucky?

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  You can kill all the imaginary, look, cats aren't named Lucky. Dogs are named Lucky.

• 1:08:30Bill Simmons?

  Well, just, cats aren't named Lucky, says who?

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Everyone.

• 1:08:34Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:08:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I've never heard of a cat named Lucky.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  That's a dog name.

• 1:08:40Bill Simmons?

  I'm Googling this.

• 1:08:41Chris Ryan?

  This is what you're Googling?

• 1:08:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I want to Google this now. Can cats be named Lucky?

• 1:08:50Bill Simmons?

  Is Lucky a good name for a cat? Yes, absolutely. Lucky is a very popular cheerful, gender neutral name for cats.

• 1:08:57Chris Ryan?

  Lucky the cat dot com telling you this.

• 1:09:00Bill Simmons?

  Not listening to you guys.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:02Bill Simmons?

  Um, I think what happens is the cat always jumps on Claire's lap. And she, Peyton calls the cat over and the cat doesn't want to come over and then next scene is just dead.

• 1:09:11Chris Ryan?

  It's gotta be something where, I think a dog would work because cats are already distrustful and mean, but a dog not liking Peyton.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, barking at Peyton as soon as she shows up.

• 1:09:19Chris Ryan?

  Exactly.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Then she's got to silence the dog.

• 1:09:21Bill Simmons?

  Easy extra five minutes.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, a dog named Lucky.

• 1:09:24Bill Simmons?

  I needed two more Seattle scenes and then, uh, the big one that we didn't mention is Emma's a little too competent. She's like seven.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Oh, when she like hides, when she does the fake out with the baby.

• 1:09:36Bill Simmons?

  Faking the baby out. She's locking doors. This kid's like seven.

• 1:09:39Chris Ryan?

  Zoe and Ben for doing stuff like that.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Did she pull the, uh, was the baby monitor gambit like her idea or, or just happenstance?

• 1:09:49Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I, I, that would be above her.

• 1:09:51Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. All of a sudden she's trying to outwit this lady.

• 1:09:54Chris Ryan?

  I guess I never thought about that. That's a good point.

• 1:09:56Bill Simmons?

  Hans Gruber scale for villain ranking?

• 1:09:58Chris Ryan?

  Peyton's an 11. She's outstanding.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  She's fantastic.

• 1:10:02Bill Simmons?

  Not higher than Hans Gruber.

• 1:10:05Chris Ryan?

  Well, I mean, Hans Gruber is really just your common thief dressed up as a terrorist. Peyton seems really psychotic.

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  How dare you?

• 1:10:13Bill Simmons?

  I have her as a nominee.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  I think maybe if she had an inexplicable accent, she could be on Hans Gruber level, but she's one tier below.

• 1:10:20Bill Simmons?

  Ruffalo Hannah Rubina Partridge over acting award? I had Marty Kraven for this one.

• 1:10:24Chris Ryan?

  He's really dialing it up.

• 1:10:26Bill Simmons?

  What do you got over there?

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  I gotta say Ernie Hudson, but it's not his fault.

• 1:10:30Chris Ryan?

  It's not his fault.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  It's not his fault. That's how the role was written, but it is a lot.

• 1:10:36Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for a flex category?

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna keep trying to make fetch happen and say, my category is a cellphone would ruin this movie.

• 1:10:43Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  There's a car phone in this movie, but if Marlene could text Claire and say, hey, I've got some wind chime based clues for you here. Uh, I'm, I'm certain that your nanny's a killer, then, you know.

• 1:10:56Chris Ryan?

  Gotta say also, answering machine would help.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  It would.

• 1:10:59Chris Ryan?

  You know, it's like a lot of, like, when she finds the note that Marlene calls.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Chris Ryan?

  You know, it's like, Marlene being like, hey, it's Marlene. Peyton's a killer.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Peyton's a killer, by the way.

• 1:11:08Bill Simmons?

  Guess what? Dr. Mutt's widow is your nanny.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Or like, she does manage to call 9, I mean, 911 comes despite her just gasping into the phone, but like, you know, if you're, I'm really curious about Asthma Corner. Like, do you have a Med Alert sort of system for that?

• 1:11:25Bill Simmons?

  Craig's coming with that.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Chris Ryan?

  Right now?

• 1:11:28Bill Simmons?

  No, we're gonna take a break.

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• 1:12:30Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson should have been Harrison Ford Award for the hottest take.

• 1:12:34Chris Ryan?

  I want to get back to basics with this category.

• 1:12:39Chris Ryan?

  Peyton's a pretty solid wife material. You know, like you have to take a long, hard look at it. Natural with kids.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  Chris.

• 1:12:47Chris Ryan?

  Will stick up for them in the face of bullying.

• 1:12:49Bill Simmons?

  Great looking.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Chris.

• 1:12:50Chris Ryan?

  She reads a room really well. You know, she sees, she can just see the landscape and definitely goes to extremes to protect her family. And I bet probably pretty good in bed. So.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Dynamite in the sack.

• 1:13:05Bill Simmons?

  I love it.

• 1:13:06Chris Ryan?

  Just saying, if you're Michael.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  You're gonna wife her up?

• 1:13:09Bill Simmons?

  I was wondering which one of us were gonna go with that she was a better wife than Claire.

• 1:13:14Chris Ryan?

  I mean, she would have.

• 1:13:15Bill Simmons?

  Why was Claire a good wife?

• 1:13:17Chris Ryan?

  Back. She would, she would hold you down.

• 1:13:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Wow. It is the hottest take.

• 1:13:23Bill Simmons?

  Was it her fault? Dr. Ma, maybe didn't turn out to be the ideal husband and coworker?

• 1:13:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Bill Simmons?

  I like that one, CR. What do you have?

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Okay. So like, no matter what you do, even if you molest pregnant women, she'll stand by you.

• 1:13:34Bill Simmons?

  She didn't know.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  She'll stand by you, right?

• 1:13:36Bill Simmons?

  She didn't know.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  She'll stand by you no matter what you do.

• 1:13:38Bill Simmons?

  True.

• 1:13:39Chris Ryan?

  Well, I don't even think that she ever was able to publicly weigh in one way or the other on Dr. Ma. She's just more disappointed that she's lost the house and that the estate's being sued and she loses her baby. So that there's.

• 1:13:49Bill Simmons?

  I had that in nitpicks too. Never seen like a.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  But when she says someone murdered my husband, I feel like, you know.

• 1:13:57Chris Ryan?

  I think she's blaming Claire.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. The implication is.

• 1:14:00Bill Simmons?

  Super loyal to the husband.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  These allegations against my husband.

• 1:14:03Chris Ryan?

  She is super loyal.

• 1:14:06Bill Simmons?

  What do you have, Joe, in it?

• 1:14:07Chris Ryan?

  Todd Fatt.

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  I will. Women, I said already, women should be allowed to be crazy. In movies. I, I will say, maybe we've gotten too woke. That's what I'll say. The 2025 remake.

• 1:14:22Chris Ryan?

  This is.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Sucks.

• 1:14:23Chris Ryan?

  Joe's breaking bad on us.

• 1:14:25Bill Simmons?

  The 25 remake, which of course I watched every episode of was terrible.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Bill Simmons?

  And I don't really remember.

• 1:14:29Chris Ryan?

  Wait, was it a show or a movie?

• 1:14:31Bill Simmons?

  It's a Hulu show. It was bad.

• 1:14:32Chris Ryan?

  Was it really?

• 1:14:33Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Michael Malone.

• 1:14:34Chris Ryan?

  No, Michael Monroe. Yeah.

• 1:14:35Bill Simmons?

  Michael Monroe. Yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  And Mary Elizabeth Winstead.

• 1:14:38Bill Simmons?

  I have a really good hottest take. CR is gonna be jealous. This movie could have owned Gen X with like one tweak. Michael, the husband, instead of being a genetic engineer, should have been the head of some pop.

• 1:14:51Bill Simmons?

  And we could add two extra scenes where they go to like, yeah, this new band Pearl Jam's, I gotta go and I'm gonna go with Marlene cuz she's.

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  You think you're beating Peyton is marriage material and woke is bad from me?

• 1:15:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:09Bill Simmons?

  We now dive into the Seattle grunge scene as we're in a nanny from hell movie.

• 1:15:13Chris Ryan?

  You and me going into Netflix or Apple TV and be like, we have this new vision for, for Hand of Rocks.

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:19Chris Ryan?

  Uh, you know, we've told this story twice from the perspective of women. We just feel like Michael and Marty really didn't get their fair shake.

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  Let's bet to the men.

• 1:15:27Chris Ryan?

  So here's Michael, you know, he, uh, he's been to every Pearl Jam show since they switched from Mookie Blaylock to Pearl Jam.

• 1:15:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:33Chris Ryan?

  And then Marty is one of the great supporters of Seattle professional sports.

• 1:15:38Bill Simmons?

  Marty.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  So does the Claire Payton plot happen in the background?

• 1:15:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's just like our crazy wives.

• 1:15:43Bill Simmons?

  Those guys were at the Last Mother Love Bone Show. It's really dramatic.

• 1:15:49Bill Simmons?

  But you have instead of delivering the FedEx of his genetic material.

• 1:15:53Chris Ryan?

  Somewhere, yeah.

• 1:15:54Bill Simmons?

  It's the Pearl Jam tapes of ten.

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:15:56Bill Simmons?

  It's the first one. Eddie gave these to me himself.

• 1:15:59Chris Ryan?

  There's no other copy of ten.

• 1:16:00Bill Simmons?

  There's no other copy. You have to bring this to FedEx.

• 1:16:03Chris Ryan?

  Peyton's like fucking tearing him up.

• 1:16:05Bill Simmons?

  And we just have the music from that era instead of Pirates of Penzance. This becomes the best movie of all time.

• 1:16:10Chris Ryan?

  That would be amazing. If they were listening to like Rearview Mirror.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  The, the Gilbert and Sullivan is so weird to me in this movie because like.

• 1:16:19Bill Simmons?

  I don't understand it at all.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  I mean, I was thinking about Sleeping with the Enemy cuz there is some like great like, uh, classical music in that movie, but he also just has Gilbert and, I presume it's him. He's the one who's like singing in the beginning. He has Gilbert and Sullivan posters all over his house. I'm like, get a second hobby.

• 1:16:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  He's got one thing, which is.

• 1:16:38Bill Simmons?

  Singing it when he's shaving his daughter. Yeah. He's a loser. I don't like that guy at all.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Does that guy have to, does that guy have to shave his neck every day to get that line on the beard?

• 1:16:47Chris Ryan?

  Like Remington, like, like, like stubble shavers.

• 1:16:50Bill Simmons?

  By the way, he didn't need that much shaving cream just to shave like the bottom of his neck. Like, come on, dude.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  That guy has like, you know, some like nice lustrous hair and he keeps a sharp line, neckline on the beard. That's an everyday.

• 1:17:01Chris Ryan?

  What if that's what his like genetic science stuff is? It's like neck beards. I'm not only the president, I'm a customer.

• 1:17:08Bill Simmons?

  He created the box five.

• 1:17:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Just blocks these follicle, hair follicles.

• 1:17:13Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs, we mentioned that they tested for the opposite parts before they landed on Claire and Mrs. Mott. Cybill Shepherd turned down the role of Peyton.

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, for her feminist ideals.

• 1:17:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, um, this was end of moonlighting.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, she should have done this.

• 1:17:28Bill Simmons?

  She definitely should have. She should have, and I'm glad she didn't.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  She really should have done this.

• 1:17:30Chris Ryan?

  Cybill and Rebecca, like if Rebecca had played Claire and Cybill was Peyton, that would have been.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  But you have two blondes in one movie?

• 1:17:38Chris Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  I think it's illegal.

• 1:17:41Chris Ryan?

  Legally blonde.

• 1:17:42Bill Simmons?

  Allegedly Rosanna Arquette was involved with Peyton. I don't know if I believe that. I couldn't find second source for it.

• 1:17:48Chris Ryan?

  Similar look.

• 1:17:49Bill Simmons?

  Instead, she played that, uh, your wife with the shit on her face. Is that that lady with the shit on her face? Uh, and then they thought about, they tested Christopher McDonald and Kevin Spacey for Michael. And thank God Kevin Spacey is in this movie because that would have absolutely ruined the rewatchability.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  I don't know. We, we did working girl. We navigated.

• 1:18:12Bill Simmons?

  No, I just feel like him as a genetic scientist trying to fend off Rebecca DeMornay.

• 1:18:17Chris Ryan?

  He would have been good as Marty though.

• 1:18:18Bill Simmons?

  He would have.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Christopher McDonald would have been good as Marty.

• 1:18:20Chris Ryan?

  Christopher McDonald would have been good with Marty.

• 1:18:22Bill Simmons?

  Best that guy award?

• 1:18:24Chris Ryan?

  John Delancey.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  John Delancey, Q from Star Trek.

• 1:18:27Bill Simmons?

  Can I offer you Matthew Lawrence's twin brother, Mitchell?

• 1:18:30Chris Ryan?

  Yes, you can.

• 1:18:34Bill Simmons?

  Uh, in one scene as Laura, but yeah, John Delancey.

• 1:18:36Chris Ryan?

  Is Mitchell Lawrence like also a TV sports radio host now?

• 1:18:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Chris Ryan?

  Is he?

• 1:18:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Mitchell had the more interesting stuff for our purposes, but I think, uh, Matthew, or no, Mitchell was, Matthew is the one that was in Eddie and the Cruisers, not in 200.

• 1:18:52Chris Ryan?

  And is now a sports radio host, right?

• 1:18:54Bill Simmons?

  Mitchell was his brother.

• 1:18:55Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:18:57Bill Simmons?

  We're just some guys from Jersey.

• 1:18:59Chris Ryan?

  How do you, how do, like, twins, twin, twins who act, like, that must be really contentious. It's not like the Morris Twins where you can just.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  Jeremy and Jason London. There's always a better one, right?

• 1:19:10Chris Ryan?

  It works when you're children, like the Olsen twins.

• 1:19:12Bill Simmons?

  Sure.

• 1:19:12Chris Ryan?

  But once you get older, then what? Yeah, they had a lot of, there's a bunch of babies playing the little baby.

• 1:19:16Bill Simmons?

  Didn't really work for the Olsen twins because now they're like just.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  The Ashmore twins?

• 1:19:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they don't smile.

• 1:19:23Chris Ryan?

  I mean, how often do you see the Olsen twins?

• 1:19:25Bill Simmons?

  Picture I see them, like.

• 1:19:28Chris Ryan?

  That's your Olsen twin?

• 1:19:29Bill Simmons?

  Have you seen my roof face?

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  From Euphoria? You know what? That's pretty good.

• 1:19:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, good job.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  It's pretty good. But can you give the double Mary Care smirk? Can you do that?

• 1:19:41Bill Simmons?

  I can't.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  Can you do the let's go do drugs smirk that she does?

• 1:19:45Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Dionne Waiters award, go to town, Ciara.

• 1:19:48Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's one of the best ones we've got. Like, this is what, three scenes? She basically shows up at the house, eyeballs her, goes to dinner, goes to the bar with Michael, and then gets axed out. But...

• 1:19:59Bill Simmons?

  It's in the Female Dionne Waiters Hall of Fame.

• 1:20:01Chris Ryan?

  It's a nothing part that she imbues with so much character, just with all of her gestures and all of her little, like...

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Teeth alone.

• 1:20:08Bill Simmons?

  And shortcuts is this year or the next year?

• 1:20:11Chris Ryan?

  Uh...

• 1:20:11Bill Simmons?

  This is right around...

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  It's right around.

• 1:20:13Bill Simmons?

  And then she's in fugitive and gets cut out. But this is Julianne Moore's starting to happen.

• 1:20:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:17Chris Ryan?

  Also, I would say this, I was gonna bring this up a little bit later, but we can see the foundation of Linda Partridge here.

• 1:20:25Chris Ryan?

  We can see a little Don't Call Me Lady.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  I've been, I was, I was waiting for that.

• 1:20:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Do you wanna, do you wanna hit me with the Don't Call Me Lady? No, just like...

• 1:20:33Bill Simmons?

  Ciara's better.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  Don't Call Me Lady!

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  A little more waver in your voice.

• 1:20:43Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch, director, or city?

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  I think I love that, I love the Seattle-ness of this movie.

• 1:20:52Chris Ryan?

  It's really the perfect place.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  But I also wouldn't mind, like, a sweaty New Orleans version of this.

• 1:20:56Chris Ryan?

  Sweaty New Orleans is great, much more erotic. We'd need, we'd need Michael and Marty to really step up there. But just because we've done Boogie, uh, Basic Instinct recently, I wouldn't mind 92 San Francisco. Although, I wonder whether San Francisco, it would have just been a little bit more like, you know, this is a bigger city, let's check some references, let's, like, make sure this nanny isn't...

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, there's two naivens here.

• 1:21:23Bill Simmons?

  I have, uh, Boston, but specifically Charlestown.

• 1:21:29Bill Simmons?

  Hey, Claire, you got... Gotta take care of that fucking nanny, I keep telling you.

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  What does Peyton tell my, how do you say Peyton in a Boston accent?

• 1:21:36Speaker 04

  Peyton.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  It's just the same.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, the, the best one would be, uh, shut up, Marlene.

• 1:21:44Bill Simmons?

  Stay out of our affairs.

• 1:21:48Bill Simmons?

  The Boston part.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  Can you imagine Marlene smoking Parlements being like, ah, I'm showing an apartment over in the fins.

• 1:21:57Bill Simmons?

  They're at Sully's Pub trying to figure out the surprise party.

• 1:22:02Bill Simmons?

  We can't tell her. Hey, if you give him a thousand dollars, Cam Neely will come by and say hi.

• 1:22:11Bill Simmons?

  Craig, what do you have for a flex?

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go with the Marion Cabretti pizza cutting award for why didn't anyone on set stop this? As somebody who had seasonal asthma as a kid and had an inhaler, the way they depict Claire using an inhaler in this movie is offensive to people with asthma. She, i- it is a, a light spritz of air.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and she open mouths it.

• 1:22:31Speaker 04

  She doesn't even touch it to her lips and she's immediately recovered, which is not how it works.

• 1:22:36Bill Simmons?

  There was no asthma consultant at all, cause she's like.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta wrap your mouth.

• 1:22:39Speaker 04

  She treats it like it's fucking breath spray.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  You gotta create a seal.

• 1:22:42Speaker 04

  You, you gotta, it's a deep inhale.

• 1:22:44Bill Simmons?

  She thinks it's Bonaka.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, she does think it's Bonaka.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  It takes a while, like it takes five, 10 seconds and you're doing multiple puffs. She, that thing is three inches from her mouth, like it's, like it's listerine.

• 1:22:53Bill Simmons?

  Would asthma kick in when you were stressed out lately?

• 1:22:56Speaker 04

  That's real. Not, mine was more just like because of allergies, like running would be hard, but I think that was a thing.

• 1:23:01Bill Simmons?

  The hay fever.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  Did you have inhalers like stashed all around the house?

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I never really had attacks like this, but I had an, I would just have a inhaler I would take regularly from like March to June. But I, that is a thing where stress induces asthma attacks. But i- i- an embarrassing use of it in this movie.

• 1:23:20Bill Simmons?

  The, the asthma spray-ish scenes.

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, when she's like.

• 1:23:24Bill Simmons?

  Are some of the dumbest things that have ever been captured on film. And I can't, it's not like only a couple of people have asthma. Like, a lot of people use inhalers.

• 1:23:32Chris Ryan?

  Just nobody involved in this movie.

• 1:23:34Bill Simmons?

  It's just fucking bizarre that they chose to play it that way.

• 1:23:36Speaker 04

  Also, her asthma just goes away in the last scene, Claire. She's about to die and then gets up, tackles.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  Oh, she's faking.

• 1:23:41Bill Simmons?

  It's just the wrestling work.

• 1:23:43Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's a.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, because they show the little kid. And the little kid's like, oh, I know. Because that little kid is smart at all times.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's why, it's part of why the asthma runner is there. So at the end, she can like pretend to have it and then just.

• 1:23:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, if they remade this movie now, the little kid would be on a device all the time. It would be completely useless when it came time to being resourceful.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Are you saying a cellphone would ruin this movie? I agree.

• 1:24:05Bill Simmons?

  Wait, hey, you gotta take that kid to the third floor.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  Throw your iPad at her.

• 1:24:10Bill Simmons?

  Half faster internet research. You mentioned it was Amanda Silver's film school thesis.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:17Bill Simmons?

  Film was shot in location, mostly Seattle, Tacoma.

• 1:24:23Bill Simmons?

  Really wasn't a lot of good research, except for Mrs. Mott visits Michael's workplace. And it was filmed in Redmond, Washington, at the Biotechnics Laboratories, which was demolished two years later to make room for the expansion of Microsoft.

• 1:24:37Chris Ryan?

  I also really like in that lab scene where like Michael's assistant's like, hey, like really hot, hot woman.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Chris Ryan?

  He's like, that's my nanny.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  How dare you?

• 1:24:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:47Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain, DeMornay, would you go this or Risky Business?

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  Risky Business, I would say.

• 1:24:53Bill Simmons?

  It felt like she was gonna be one of the biggest stars in the world after Risky Business.

• 1:24:56Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:24:58Bill Simmons?

  Matt McCoy, I'm gonna say yes.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, sure. Inhalers.

• 1:25:03Bill Simmons?

  Inhalers in a movie, I think yes. Yeah.

• 1:25:06Chris Ryan?

  How about cinematic breastfeeding?

• 1:25:10Chris Ryan?

  This or Barbarian? Why don't you pull out your lift?

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  Season two of American Horror.

• 1:25:17Bill Simmons?

  If Sean was here, he'd be like, tell us more, CR.

• 1:25:20Chris Ryan?

  No, Sean would be like, actually, you're forgetting Michelangelo. La Notte.

• 1:25:27Bill Simmons?

  They do, feels like, uh, there's two scenes where it is like a, how did they do this? With the breastfeeding.

• 1:25:34Chris Ryan?

  What do you mean?

• 1:25:35Bill Simmons?

  Cause it's a real baby. We didn't have the CGI back then. And it seems like it's an actual breastfeeding situation, but there's no way like Rebecca de Mornay was breastfeeding a baby.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  On her nipple.

• 1:25:46Bill Simmons?

  Put it, but probably something over her.

• 1:25:48Chris Ryan?

  It was a doll.

• 1:25:49Bill Simmons?

  And the baby next to her. No, but the baby was moving.

• 1:25:51Chris Ryan?

  But don't they have like dolls to like show women how to do it in the first place? Like to be like, this is like.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  But that technology, I don't think was that advanced in 92. What about like a merkin, like a boob merkin?

• 1:26:01Bill Simmons?

  That's probably what it was.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:03Bill Simmons?

  Ernie Hudson, no. Evil nanny.

• 1:26:07Bill Simmons?

  Flat, no.

• 1:26:08Chris Ryan?

  One of the all time conversational topics, which is.

• 1:26:11Bill Simmons?

  Evil nanny movies?

• 1:26:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:14Bill Simmons?

  Yes. Greenhouses in a movie has to be yes, right?

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:19Bill Simmons?

  What's a better greenhouse?

• 1:26:20Chris Ryan?

  You seriously haven't been in a greenhouse?

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  I seriously have not been in a greenhouse.

• 1:26:23Chris Ryan?

  Would you go to a botanical garden?

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, but not, but then usually there's like a.

• 1:26:26Chris Ryan?

  Outdoor area.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a spot in the botanical garden that has a greenhouse and I will not go in it.

• 1:26:30Bill Simmons?

  I really want to test this out.

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  I will not go in it.

• 1:26:32Bill Simmons?

  Seattle, yes. 92, 93. This is it. We're in the apex.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:37Bill Simmons?

  Julianne Moore, no. Asthma attacks in a movie, maybe.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  A crisp.

• 1:26:41Bill Simmons?

  Curtis Sansom, no.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Oxford button all the way up.

• 1:26:46Chris Ryan?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  She just owns that look in this movie.

• 1:26:51Bill Simmons?

  Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  So it should be Hanks, right?

• 1:26:56Bill Simmons?

  It's Hanks.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  But wouldn't it be fun to have Cruise and de Mornay back together again?

• 1:27:01Chris Ryan?

  Wouldn't it be fun if, if, what do you mean, like Cruise playing Dr. Ross?

• 1:27:03Bill Simmons?

  Cruise as Matt McCoy?

• 1:27:06Chris Ryan?

  One scene Cruz is Dr. Mott.

• 1:27:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Chris Ryan?

  Taking the glove off.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  Taking the glove off. I'll take care of it.

• 1:27:14Chris Ryan?

  Why didn't you let her know about her test results?

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  That's what Cruz needed in 92.

• 1:27:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  92 Cruz is definitely needing to do this, not far and away.

• 1:27:21Chris Ryan?

  Prepping for Eyes Wide Shut.

• 1:27:22Bill Simmons?

  Could Cruz have been Solomon?

• 1:27:24Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God, Bill.

• 1:27:26Bill Simmons?

  Is there running? I was trying to think of how Cruz could run.

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  What a cursed concept.

• 1:27:31Bill Simmons?

  Cruz is as the dad. There's no running though. He turns this movie down. It's gotta be Hanks.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  It is Hanks.

• 1:27:39Bill Simmons?

  We got rid of Scorsese or Spielberg after doing it with Spielberg.

• 1:27:42Chris Ryan?

  If Marty comes on the pod, will you bring him back?

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Bring him back, okay.

• 1:27:47Bill Simmons?

  Re-adding, was there a better title for this movie? A category we used to have, and I have no idea why we got rid of it.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  No, this title rules.

• 1:27:55Bill Simmons?

  I think this title is the right title.

• 1:27:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  It's very memorable. It absolutely rules.

• 1:28:01Bill Simmons?

  Picky Knits.

• 1:28:04Bill Simmons?

  I have like 10.

• 1:28:05Chris Ryan?

  I'll just go with my biggest one, which is how the fuck do they not know what Mott's wife looks like? If an OBGYN did what he did to my family, I would be like, I'm going to the trial.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  Well, first you run him over with your car.

• 1:28:19Chris Ryan?

  First run him with your car. But if that didn't work out, like I would be very engaged with what this guy was about. And I think I would know somehow what his wife looked like.

• 1:28:30Bill Simmons?

  Also, this would be the biggest story in Seattle for like two weeks.

• 1:28:33Speaker 04

  Also, the local news showing Claire's face?

• 1:28:36Chris Ryan?

  This is a huge one.

• 1:28:38Bill Simmons?

  I had that too.

• 1:28:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, here's this woman that called out this creep. Here's her face if anybody wants to see it in the hospital while.

• 1:28:44Bill Simmons?

  It's actually a rule that you can't do that.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  You can't use their name either. Yeah.

• 1:28:48Bill Simmons?

  But they're like, coming up, Claire Bartel accuses a dead doctor.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  I'm gonna tell you why Claire Bartel might be wrong.

• 1:28:58Bill Simmons?

  It's crazy that they.

• 1:28:59Speaker 04

  Here's where she lives.

• 1:29:00Bill Simmons?

  Uh, we mentioned no background checks. Also, just these, see, you're with your nanny a lot. At no point is Claire doing the, uh. So what happened to your husband?

• 1:29:14Chris Ryan?

  Dude, what, why?

• 1:29:15Bill Simmons?

  Like just.

• 1:29:15Chris Ryan?

  Why does Peyton make it so complicated? Peyton could just be like, yeah, I just got here from Cleveland divorced.

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  Well, she wanted to say my husband was murdered by you, you know?

• 1:29:25Bill Simmons?

  A couple of days after my baby, it's like, what?

• 1:29:31Bill Simmons?

  Before or after? Who died first? Why did the baby die?

• 1:29:36Speaker 02

  She, yeah.

• 1:29:37Chris Ryan?

  Husband died first in real life, yeah.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:39Bill Simmons?

  And then she's like, he was murdered.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  She miscarried, yeah.

• 1:29:41Bill Simmons?

  I want, I want my revenge.

• 1:29:46Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:29:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, revenge on what? What are you gonna do? I, I don't know, I just had a lot of questions on that.

• 1:29:55Bill Simmons?

  Peyton beating up the school, Billy? I'm guessing would probably get reported to the principal and maybe.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  Again, it was 1992, there was no one supervising us on the block.

• 1:30:05Bill Simmons?

  There's like 10 witnesses, there's people in different parts of the playground.

• 1:30:08Chris Ryan?

  All the kids are like this crazy blonde, almost yanked off's arm out of its socket.

• 1:30:11Speaker 04

  One kid's like, fuck yeah.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  A sexual fantasy was born.

• 1:30:15Speaker 04

  The kid with hair in those arms is like, nice.

• 1:30:18Bill Simmons?

  This is my wife's biggest one. So one of the times he goes down, when, uh, our guy Matt McCoy's getting a little horny.

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  Say more.

• 1:30:26Bill Simmons?

  And Rebecca Demornay is picking up ice cubes.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Right, in her see-through nightie.

• 1:30:33Bill Simmons?

  In her see-through nightie? Putting them back in the tray and then putting the tray back in the freezer?

• 1:30:38Chris Ryan?

  Yes, this is a great call.

• 1:30:39Bill Simmons?

  What the fuck is going on?

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  This is a great call.

• 1:30:41Chris Ryan?

  Do you think it's like?

• 1:30:42Bill Simmons?

  Who wants ice cubes that were just on the floor?

• 1:30:44Chris Ryan?

  Does he see that they've been on the floor, that she's put them back away, or is she just like?

• 1:30:47Bill Simmons?

  He's watching it, but he's looking at the nightgown, I'd be looking at the fucking ice cubes.

• 1:30:50Chris Ryan?

  You'd be like, don't put those back in there.

• 1:30:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what are you doing? People walk on that floor, Peyton.

• 1:30:56Speaker 02

  Do you think the entire ice gambit was, like?

• 1:31:00Bill Simmons?

  Just making noise?

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  Executed to lure him down there?

• 1:31:02Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  How can she know that he would come down and not Annabelle Ciara?

• 1:31:06Chris Ryan?

  I guess she's like, well, if, if Claire comes down, I'll just be like, my bad, dropped something.

• 1:31:10Bill Simmons?

  Again, this is.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  In the see-through nightgown, that I always wear.

• 1:31:12Bill Simmons?

  I'm right here to consult in these movies. This is where he drinks decaf at night, cause it keeps him up. Doesn't want to get kept up and she switches the coffee, so he'll stay up at night and come down.

• 1:31:23Speaker 02

  Diabolical.

• 1:31:24Chris Ryan?

  Another nitpick that we've kind of alluded to is, uh, the last shot of this movie is like Claire and Solomon being like, we did it, good job. Where the fuck is Michael? He's like in agony, like Joe Theis.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  Crying in the basement. Maybe trying to like crawl up the stairs in the basement. Um, what about this, this wind chime clue?

• 1:31:47Chris Ryan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:31:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, then she goes over the top with the painting the baby room the same way.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  Well, the turtles is one thing.

• 1:31:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  And again.

• 1:31:55Chris Ryan?

  But Julianne Moore spots the wind chimes.

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  Julianne Moore, like via magnifying glass, spots a solitary wind chime and is like, I've seen that. It's your bog standard wind chime. That's what all wind chimes look like.

• 1:32:07Bill Simmons?

  She's good at her job.

• 1:32:08Speaker 02

  Absolutely not. I don't know if it's because I grew up in the Bay Area where like, there's just a lot of wind chimes going on, but I wouldn't be like, well, that wind chime clearly someone else's. I do love that she's like, what the fuck is that ugly thing? When she walks in.

• 1:32:19Bill Simmons?

  Well, how about, how about Peyton leaves the breast pumps behind in the old house? Just gonna leave some stuff back here, including all my breast pumps.

• 1:32:29Chris Ryan?

  That makes no, isn't that how staged and being, you know, it's being shown?

• 1:32:33Bill Simmons?

  Wouldn't they have cleared out the breast pumps?

• 1:32:34Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:32:34Bill Simmons?

  People sold the house.

• 1:32:35Chris Ryan?

  I think it's like, it's a cool nursery. Check out how you could use it as a nursery.

• 1:32:39Bill Simmons?

  Check out these funky breast pumps.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  Also, for all the guys in the room, when that guy's like, what kind of weird toy is that? Like, is that not the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

• 1:32:52Bill Simmons?

  We mentioned this earlier, but the dad broke his legs falling seven feet.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  Not even, it was like five feet.

• 1:32:58Bill Simmons?

  Both of them?

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Both legs?

• 1:33:01Bill Simmons?

  Like just shit.

• 1:33:02Chris Ryan?

  And he gets hit in the face with a shovel, but his face is fine, right?

• 1:33:06Bill Simmons?

  It's like Claire.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  No, it's a little fucked up.

• 1:33:07Chris Ryan?

  It's a little damaged.

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a little fucked up.

• 1:33:08Bill Simmons?

  Claire, my legs are broken.

• 1:33:11Chris Ryan?

  Both of them?

• 1:33:12Bill Simmons?

  Both, both legs.

• 1:33:13Speaker 02

  You gotta take the rest of this movie. I'm useless, I've been useless this whole movie and I'll remain useless till the very end.

• 1:33:19Bill Simmons?

  They needed one extra scene where they're just pushing around in the wheelchair and he's got these two giant gasps.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:24Bill Simmons?

  Claire has asthma from the wheelchair.

• 1:33:25Chris Ryan?

  I'll be in Peyton's bed, Claire.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Chris Ryan?

  I'll be waiting. This is the opportunity that it's like Marty is pushing him in the wheelchair. He's like, you know what? You and me, we could move in together.

• 1:33:37Chris Ryan?

  I got plenty of room now that Marlene's dead.

• 1:33:40Bill Simmons?

  There's a couple of moments, couple of moments when, uh.

• 1:33:45Bill Simmons?

  It's clear it's a doll and not a baby.

• 1:33:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Bill Simmons?

  And then, this is my biggest one. Well, they're tied together. We already talked about whether the greenhouse would have killed Marlene or not. I say no.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  Not without, you know.

• 1:34:00Bill Simmons?

  Who's the prime suspect in Claire's death, or in Marlene's death?

• 1:34:04Chris Ryan?

  Isn't it just an accident?

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  It's an accident.

• 1:34:06Bill Simmons?

  Is it?

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  It's a greenhouse accident.

• 1:34:08Chris Ryan?

  Okay. Greenhouse construction by Claire. If anything, she should feel guilty about it.

• 1:34:12Bill Simmons?

  Okay, the police call, hey, we're just gonna check out Claire for a second.

• 1:34:17Chris Ryan?

  Not acquitting themselves.

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  That guy just wandered into a crime scene. When that cop opens the greenhouse door, just wanders in, I'm like, uh.

• 1:34:24Bill Simmons?

  What's your history with Claire? Cause we heard you had a moment at your surprise party a month ago where you were yelling at your husband. Yeah, Claire should be a fucking suspect for this.

• 1:34:33Chris Ryan?

  Also, like if the cops came by, wouldn't they just wanna see driver's licenses from everybody? Does Peyton have a Peyton Flanders?

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Driver's license?

• 1:34:42Bill Simmons?

  I think Claire is a suspect immediately because we already had the altercation with them two weeks before. See if that, Marlene didn't have a funeral?

• 1:34:52Chris Ryan?

  Just a bunch of people smoking.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  You don't think she did off screen?

• 1:34:56Bill Simmons?

  And Claire's like, I'm gonna go to Marlene's office. It's just intact. Everything's still there.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  It was interesting that her like day planner was just sitting there.

• 1:35:03Bill Simmons?

  And how long was Claire in the hospital? With her asthma attack? She's in there for four weeks?

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  How long do you go to the hospital?

• 1:35:10Bill Simmons?

  Covid.

• 1:35:11Chris Ryan?

  I don't know, a couple of days? I don't know. Couple of days.

• 1:35:13Bill Simmons?

  Stopped back for the funeral and people are...

• 1:35:15Chris Ryan?

  Hit her with some steroids?

• 1:35:16Bill Simmons?

  Is that awkward with Marlene's family? Like, so what happened? Your greenhouse collapsed on our daughter?

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  You wanted more time with her husband. You wanted to see him weeping and wailing at the funeral.

• 1:35:24Bill Simmons?

  Anyone in Marlene's wife's life, wait, the greenhouse collapsed on Marlene and killed her?

• 1:35:29Chris Ryan?

  The Mariners had a home stand.

• 1:35:32Chris Ryan?

  Marty's like, okay, wait, Edgar Martinez is on an incredible streak right now.

• 1:35:37Bill Simmons?

  I just had a lot of questions.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  You wanted Marty Craven to just have his moment at the funeral.

• 1:35:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  Maybe he could have quoted some more poetry.

• 1:35:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that would've been good.

• 1:35:44Bill Simmons?

  Also, you know what always works? A funeral scene.

• 1:35:46Chris Ryan?

  Like, Marlene, there's two things she loved. Parliament lights and condominiums.

• 1:35:52Chris Ryan?

  And this poem about the hand that rocks the cradle.

• 1:35:55Bill Simmons?

  There was no house she couldn't sell, no cigarettes she couldn't smoke. Sequel, prequel, prestige, to be all black cast or untouchable. I feel like it's done all of these.

• 1:36:05Chris Ryan?

  They didn't do a prequel.

• 1:36:06Bill Simmons?

  That Hulu one, the Dr. Mott prequel is still in development. The Hulu thing was October 2025 when they had that.

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  It doesn't feel like it exists.

• 1:36:16Bill Simmons?

  And now Ciara and I'll have our Seattle soap pop built around Marty and.

• 1:36:19Chris Ryan?

  Middle aged man version of the hand that rocks the cradle.

• 1:36:23Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols or somebody else?

• 1:36:29Chris Ryan?

  I do just have like Marlene Craven, want me to spell it, don't call me lady. I like, that was the one I have, but I would love to see Robert Evans getting into Peyton.

• 1:36:37Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:36:38Chris Ryan?

  She knows how to dress. She knows how to rear a child. Her legs go on forever.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  This is just your hottest take again.

• 1:36:46Bill Simmons?

  I had.

• 1:36:47Chris Ryan?

  It's my hottest take as read by Patton Oswalt doing Robert Evans.

• 1:36:51Bill Simmons?

  It's funny because I had Loja as Byron Mayo for this.

• 1:36:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:54Bill Simmons?

  Peyton, Claire. Yeah, couldn't help but noticing any at the, at the Claire surprise party, just having Byron Mayo there, no shirt.

• 1:37:03Chris Ryan?

  Or if Byron Mayo walked in with the ice cube situation.

• 1:37:06Speaker 02

  Maybe he was at the funeral.

• 1:37:07Chris Ryan?

  Tiny white.

• 1:37:08Bill Simmons?

  Maybe he was.

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:09Bill Simmons?

  Ladies, don't fight. Uh, just want to ask her who gets it. That's gotta be DeMornay.

• 1:37:13Speaker 02

  DeMornay.

• 1:37:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:15Bill Simmons?

  We have to throw in here the Catherine Schamel. Would you throw your life away for this obvious stay away award? Cause uh, Claire's husband thought about it twice in the kitchen there.

• 1:37:24Chris Ryan?

  I, for me, even for as seduced as I can be by this type, for, for me, I'm out. Sharks.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Probably an answerable questions. Baby Joey with the double breastfeeding situation.

• 1:37:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Bill Simmons?

  What did his next 10 years look like?

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  Well, here's, here's the question. So like.

• 1:37:44Chris Ryan?

  Is he like super strong like LeBron after going to Germany?

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  The, no, but like he's not, he's not drinking from her, but he's still like, he's not drinking from his mom.

• 1:37:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  But he's still.

• 1:37:55Bill Simmons?

  I think he's doing both though.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  No, he's, he like, that's why she's so stressed because he won't latch.

• 1:37:59Chris Ryan?

  But he is gaining weight.

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  But he's gaining weight.

• 1:38:01Bill Simmons?

  And Michael's just like, then what's the problem?

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  So we don't take this kid to the hospital?

• 1:38:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  All of these children need to go to the doctor. If you think your, your little girl has been molested, she needs to go see a therapist. And if you think your baby is growing despite not drinking any milk at all.

• 1:38:17Chris Ryan?

  They're just like, that's one problem solved. Let's move on.

• 1:38:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  We'll save a fortune on milk.

• 1:38:22Bill Simmons?

  The baby gaining weight, it is very enough.

• 1:38:24Speaker 02

  No prob.

• 1:38:25Chris Ryan?

  Belichick, on to Cleveland.

• 1:38:28Bill Simmons?

  Mentioned this earlier, but I, I do feel like they could have snuck in a 92 Sonics game scene.

• 1:38:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:34Bill Simmons?

  Maybe the double date, maybe the guys are going there after just so we get some Sean Kemp, just to mix it up.

• 1:38:39Chris Ryan?

  Wait, what category are we on?

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  Unanswerable questions. Why weren't the Sonics in this movie?

• 1:38:45Bill Simmons?

  The Sonics are right there.

• 1:38:48Bill Simmons?

  I have one really good one though, unless you guys have any other.

• 1:38:51Chris Ryan?

  Uh, my biggest unanswerable question was, was, what was Peyton like before her OBGY on husband?

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  So you want the Peyton prequel?

• 1:38:57Chris Ryan?

  Well, I'm just curious what she was like.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  Peyton's place, you want it.

• 1:39:00Chris Ryan?

  Did Peyton have any friends? Did they all abandon her?

• 1:39:02Bill Simmons?

  I think she was like a Seattle socialite, right?

• 1:39:04Chris Ryan?

  Right. So wouldn't there be like a little bit more awareness?

• 1:39:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:11Bill Simmons?

  Unanswerable question.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  I don't have one.

• 1:39:14Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better?

• 1:39:18Bill Simmons?

  If they look out at the end and Peyton's not there in the front lawn?

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  Oh, Michael Myers?

• 1:39:22Bill Simmons?

  Michael Myers, the ending.

• 1:39:24Chris Ryan?

  Somehow Peyton has survived.

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  And then rocks the cradle too?

• 1:39:27Bill Simmons?

  It's just like.

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  Still rockin?

• 1:39:29Bill Simmons?

  It's like, we did it, guys. Look out and she's gone.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  What's the sequel?

• 1:39:34Bill Simmons?

  I just, I always like that device.

• 1:39:36Chris Ryan?

  Peyton, damaged but alive, on the road. And where does she pop up next? Los Angeles, working for a film producer. Uh, you know, it's like, we could, we could get into it.

• 1:39:47Bill Simmons?

  Why not?

• 1:39:48Chris Ryan?

  Maybe a film producer. The film producer who made a Lifetime movie of the week about her life.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:39:54Chris Ryan?

  And now she's gonna get revenge on him.

• 1:39:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Why close the door?

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  And she's like, Tori Spelling, how dare you?

• 1:39:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:40:00Bill Simmons?

  Memorabilia you'd want or not want from this movie? For me, I would not want the breast pumps from the leftover ones from the, uh, house that wouldn't sell. Would be mine.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Would you want an inhaler that has never seen a pair of human lips attached to it?

• 1:40:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. The C R movie used inhaler?

• 1:40:16Chris Ryan?

  We're not allowed to use the cars, right? We could never use, can I get an old Volvo wagon?

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  I've always wanted an old Volvo wagon.

• 1:40:22Bill Simmons?

  Those were great cars. Very safe.

• 1:40:24Chris Ryan?

  They ran for like 300,000 miles.

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  Also that like, that beige color.

• 1:40:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 1:40:28Chris Ryan?

  Oh god, yeah.

• 1:40:28Bill Simmons?

  I dated a girl who had one of those cars and the thing had like 200,000 miles and was just fucking cracking.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Those things were tanks. I always wanted one of those.

• 1:40:36Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, where best worst life lesson? Don't hire a hot nanny or don't build a greenhouse.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Don't let a hot woman into a power position in your household, I believe.

• 1:40:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was a good one.

• 1:40:45Chris Ryan?

  Check the references.

• 1:40:45Speaker 02

  But also, don't go into a greenhouse, not ever, not even once.

• 1:40:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Best double feature choice?

• 1:40:51Chris Ryan?

  I think single white female, but you know, I mean, just, just to be in the spirit of the pod.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Sleeping with the Enemy.

• 1:40:58Bill Simmons?

  Laura!

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  I love that movie.

• 1:41:01Bill Simmons?

  I have scorned with Shannon Tweed.

• 1:41:03Chris Ryan?

  Nice.

• 1:41:04Bill Simmons?

  The, uh.

• 1:41:05Chris Ryan?

  Not familiar with that one?

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  I would say not The Housemaid, which is the double feature that I.

• 1:41:08Bill Simmons?

  Scorned Machine and Tweed was this movie, but the Skinner Max version of it. It was considered to be the Shannon Tweed apex for her.

• 1:41:16Speaker 02

  They showed these movies all the time on like, as, as, you know, when I was here for Just One of the Guys and I let you know that I didn't have HBO, so I watched all the movies that I watched on like TNT, TDS. So I, the nipples were not a factor for when we rewatched Hand, the Rocks of Cradle. But they showed this and Sleeping with the Enemy like all the time.

• 1:41:35Bill Simmons?

  Safest cable.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  And my parents were just like, go ahead and watch it.

• 1:41:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Who won the movie? Rebecca DeMornay.

• 1:41:42Speaker 02

  DeMornay. Easy.

• 1:41:44Bill Simmons?

  Craig?

• 1:41:44Speaker 04

  She won the movie. I mean, she liked LeBron 2018, game one, 50, 10 and 10, or whatever he had won the movie.

• 1:41:52Bill Simmons?

  Could, would you have given the Bam Adebayo 83 point game award for her?

• 1:41:55Speaker 04

  Well, no, because I knew where it came from because I saw Risky Business and she kind of changed my life.

• 1:42:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:00Speaker 04

  So, but I have to say, the first like 40, 50 minutes of this movie, I, I, I wasn't in love with it. I thought it was a little, really kind of slow and drawn out. There's like a weird acting style. I, I agree with you about, was it Michael?

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:15Speaker 04

  Is that the name of the character? I feel like him and Claire have a very weird acting style. I don't know if it was the point of the movie, but they're like almost mannequin-esque. I feel like I'm watching an HR instructional video where it was like, hey, would you like to come over for dinner? That sounds nice. Thank you. All right. Pick you up at seven. Seven sounds great. Like, that was like the first hour of the movie.

• 1:42:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  And then, but I, I really felt like your pure hatred for, for Peyton really just drives you to the end of this movie. I think she is one of the most despicable people I've seen in a long time. And, and you are just so, like, I need to see this fucking lady die. She has to die.

• 1:42:49Chris Ryan?

  She can't just get arrested.

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  That's horrible. I would argue she still wins, like. Even though she dies, like, okay, Michael broke his legs. Claire now kind of thinks that Michael wants to have sex with Peyton. Maybe had sex with Marlene.

• 1:43:04Chris Ryan?

  I can, I think, I think Claire can definitively say, Michael is like, not, not a protector. Like, he is, he is gonna get distracted too easily.

• 1:43:14Speaker 04

  Like, Marlene's dead. This family does not get out unscathed at all.

• 1:43:17Chris Ryan?

  What is he want Neo here?

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  Like, this family's fucked up.

• 1:43:20Chris Ryan?

  What's the next day like?

• 1:43:21Speaker 04

  The baby was breastfeeding on the wrong mother.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  Are we moving away from Seattle?

• 1:43:24Chris Ryan?

  If you wanna ma- make, if this family's staying together, I think they have to be.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  I think they're leaving Seattle. They should go to Boston.

• 1:43:29Bill Simmons?

  I think they're out of the greenhouse business. Uh, I think Michael probably loses his job because he can't stand up for nine months.

• 1:43:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:36Bill Simmons?

  Because he broke both of his legs.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  You can't do science while sitting.

• 1:43:39Bill Simmons?

  Maybe, or is it like the wheel, is Stephen Hawking wheelchair, baby?

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  I think most scientists sit, most of the time.

• 1:43:44Bill Simmons?

  That seemed like a very standing lab.

• 1:43:47Speaker 04

  They're going to Denver, restarting.

• 1:43:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:49Bill Simmons?

  And I think that kid has really traumatized the daughter. Maybe a little Joey, too.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  Joey's doing great.

• 1:43:55Speaker 04

  Like, she, the whole family's a mess, after, even after Peyton's death.

• 1:43:58Bill Simmons?

  Peyton really ran him out. She got her revenge.

• 1:44:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  I think a problem in this, like, is often the case when I'm on an episode where it's the early 90s. It's like, so many people have done it since.

• 1:44:09Chris Ryan?

  That it's hard to see how.

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  Since, that it's like, yeah.

• 1:44:12Speaker 04

  I also love, like, so many 90s movies just have no idea how to end the fucking movie. Like, this movie just ends. I thought I was gonna see another scene, and it's like, Solomon, come downstairs.

• 1:44:20Chris Ryan?

  They don't even have, like, the.

• 1:44:21Speaker 04

  Okay, credits.

• 1:44:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's like.

• 1:44:22Speaker 02

  And how we fuck it. Roll in the front of the house, the B-roll.

• 1:44:24Chris Ryan?

  That was, of course, been brought out of the basement. Everybody's happy.

• 1:44:27Speaker 02

  He's still in the basement.

• 1:44:28Speaker 04

  I love a shot of the family together. It's just like, Solomon, come on downstairs.

• 1:44:32Bill Simmons?

  You wanted a group hug with broken legs, Michael?

• 1:44:34Speaker 04

  Michael's legs are broken in the basement.

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:36Speaker 04

  Don't Solomon, man!

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  Solomon, Solomon's just like, dancing out of the room with the baby. It's very odd. It's very confusing.

• 1:44:42Bill Simmons?

  I love the early 90s.

• 1:44:43Chris Ryan?

  Also, Claire's taking the baby back. She's not like, no, no, no, it's cool.

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Chris Ryan?

  You can hold her.

• 1:44:47Speaker 04

  You don't really see credits roll over, usually it cuts to black now. You don't see the credits roll over footage anymore.

• 1:44:53Bill Simmons?

  Well, now you don't see credits anymore because this movie just went right to, five seconds. You have five seconds for the next thing we're throwing at you. So I couldn't even, I had to like rewind.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  You were like, stop.

• 1:45:05Bill Simmons?

  Cause I couldn't remember what Dr. Mott's name was. But God forbid, you just got to enjoy credits for 10 seconds.

• 1:45:12Speaker 04

  I was legitimately fired up when Marlene spots the wind chime.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like, let's fucking go.

• 1:45:17Chris Ryan?

  Little Xerox printout.

• 1:45:19Speaker 04

  She's like, cancel my morning.

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  And then she's driving her like, it's a beamer.

• 1:45:22Chris Ryan?

  Fuck off.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  Like, it's a beamer. Yeah, she's like, fuck off. Give me a cigarette. She's in a BMW, right? She's just like, zooming through traffic.

• 1:45:27Speaker 04

  It's like the comeback to Remember the Titans. I'm like, let's fucking go.

• 1:45:31Bill Simmons?

  CR, would you have watched a Marlene, separate movie of Marlene real estate in Seattle? Just her smoking in people's houses.

• 1:45:38Chris Ryan?

  Just Gordon Gekko, but Marlene.

• 1:45:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. Selling Seattle with Marlene.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  I think she fucks. I think she fucks whoever she wants in Seattle.

• 1:45:47Bill Simmons?

  That's why when she shows up in Boogie Nights, we had some history with her. It's like, I'm ready for this lady to have her moment. And then it finally happened with Boogie Nights, I think was when it happened. All right, guys. From Hell, Joanna Robinson, thank you. Chris Ryan, thank you. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Eduardo. We're gonna be back next week with another From Hell movie. I think we're doing The Good Sun next week.

• 1:46:10Chris Ryan?

  I think we are.

• 1:46:12Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one. Can't wait for Craig's reaction to that one. That's next week. Thank you.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:46:29Speaker 05

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