UnitedHealthcare Assassin: Italians Are Black Again?

In the wake of the killing of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO, the internet is awash with hot takes on health insurance and hot memes of everyone’s favorite assassin-bae. The facts may still be developing, but that’s not stopping Trevor, Christiana, and Josh from sharing their “sweeping judgements” on the matter. Is Luigi Mangione guilty? Not guilty? Hot guilty?

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 1:45Trevor Noah?

  Okay, I'm gonna start this episode of the podcast with a disclaimer. There's a, there's a thing I do with my friends, and I have called it sweeping judgments. All of these opinions are our opinions. Everything we say is ridiculous. None of it needs to make sense. If you've come here for facts, this is not the podcast for you. This is not the episode for you. They might also be jokes. If you don't like jokes, I'm warning you now. Get your kid to take you out of the room, because shit might go down.

• 2:27Trevor Noah?

  This is What Now with Trevor Noah.

• 2:47Trevor Noah?

  Welcome to Speaking Judgments. Josh, I'm just gonna jump straight into it.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:52Trevor Noah?

  As a fellow fellow gray hoodie wearer.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54Trevor Noah?

  You you knew this guy was gonna shoot the guy, didn't you?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Uh, it's something.

• 3:00Trevor Noah?

  Why are you still wearing the hoodie, by the way?

• 3:02Speaker 01

  I, okay, look, this is how I actually dress. So when he

• 3:10Speaker 01

  when he popped up, can I tell you, can I tell you one thing real quick about the whole thing? Before we knew who he was or anything? When I saw that dude stand up and then like get get the gun ready, everything. I was so thankful to see white hands.

• 3:26Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah, you it was over for you.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 3:29Trevor Noah?

  It was over for you.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Then, then.

• 3:32Trevor Noah?

  Do you know how many videos have you wearing that exact outfit with that exact backpack?

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Talking about CEOs.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Then CBS had the unmitigated nerve

• 3:46Speaker 01

  to say a light-skinned man.

• 3:47Trevor Noah?

  Did you? Yeah, I noticed that shit.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you know what? Do you wanna know my conspiracy?

• 3:52Trevor Noah?

  What's your conspiracy?

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Italians are black again.

• 3:54Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Yes, because that woman from that that Trumpy woman said Ariana Grande is taking white people's roles. She's Italian. I'm telling you, Italians must be black again.

• 4:04Trevor Noah?

  Let me tell you something, Josh, I noticed that.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  I've never light-skinned.

• 4:07Trevor Noah?

  I thought I was the only one.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 4:09Trevor Noah?

  I genuinely thought.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  But now my theory, because it's come out he's Italian, I'm like, maybe, you know.

• 4:14Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but they didn't know, but they didn't know when they made that statement.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  But now what I'm saying, you've they're calling Italians light-skinned?

• 4:19Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no. Let me tell you something. I when that exact thing, because we all saw, we all looked at the hand.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:25Trevor Noah?

  And we, you look and you're like, oh, okay, we know who this isn't.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, no, no.

• 4:30Trevor Noah?

  And then they were like a light-skinned man. I was like, ah, guys, ah, guys, let's not.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  No, also, I don't wanna like cast dispersions on my people, but the time of day, I knew they weren't black.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  It's like too early to be doing hits like no, no.

• 4:47Trevor Noah?

  Damn.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  We're not do- because you know what, at the beginning we thought it was like-

• 4:50Trevor Noah?

  Shots fired in the studio.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  No, no, we thought it was like some elaborate, like they hired an assassin.

• 4:54Trevor Noah?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  And I feel like any black assassins out there probably work between 11 a.m. and 8 p.m. And not gonna be-

• 5:02Trevor Noah?

  I do not stand by any of these statements. I do not.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I'm just saying.

• 5:06Trevor Noah?

  I won't let a black comedian woman make jokes about black people. Um, yo, um.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  I didn't say we'd be late. I'm just saying that our working hours-

• 5:17Trevor Noah?

  We have different working hours.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Our work hours would be slightly different.

• 5:20Trevor Noah?

  Uh, you know what? I'm not happy that anything happened the way it did. However, I do think, you know, because we grew up very religious, all three of us, that sometimes we are blessed in certain ways. I was chatting to Christiana about this, Josh, and I was like, oh, man, I wonder if we're gonna talk about it on the podcast. And Christiana was like, but we can't. She was like, we cannot because he hasn't been caught and there is no third act to the story. We know that this-

• 5:43Speaker 02

  He started teasing me.

• 5:44Trevor Noah?

  No, I was like, we know that an assassin shot the CEO. We know that he's on the run, but we don't know how it concludes.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  We haven't found him.

• 5:50Trevor Noah?

  We haven't found him. And now we have found the suspect. I will say this, the suspect, because maybe he's not, and maybe he will be found innocent.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Can I interject with one other thing that is about this media frenzy that is a joy to watch? Um, it starts out with something bad, but just maybe we'll get there. Maybe you'll cut this whole thing. It's, it's up to you.

• 6:14Trevor Noah?

  We're not cutting anything from this episode. Everything we use is staying in this episode, everything. And if you are listening to this episode, you are, you know terms and conditions. Anything you listen to beyond this point, terms and conditions apply. You have agreed. Josh, go for it.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  So basically, there's a thing, and it's talked about in media, but it's almost only talked about by people of color because it's, it's usually when it happens to us or we watch it happen. Uh, whenever someone who is usually, usually white, almost always white, but affluent, gets in trouble for anything, they use the best pictures of them, they, they show them in the best light. And finally, there are people who are like disgusted by this act, who are like from that normally protected group that have to watch.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  The best pictures of this guy get circulated like he hadn't taken a bad picture.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  He had not taken a bad.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  His driver's license looked good.

• 7:08Trevor Noah?

  He genuinely has not.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  I call him assassin bait like he is.

• 7:10Trevor Noah?

  He has a fan club amongst the ladies.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, is that surprising?

• 7:15Trevor Noah?

  Is this hot privilege? Is that what it's called?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, if you thought Ted Bundy got mail.

• 7:24Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  It's also who he took out, right?

• 7:28Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  So if he had shot a worker in McDonald's, for instance.

• 7:32Trevor Noah?

  The person who snitched on him.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Right, we'd be like, that's not.

• 7:35Trevor Noah?

  Not cool.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  But he he literally like shot up to you.

• 7:38Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 7:39Trevor Noah?

  To use comedy terms, yeah, he punched, he punched up and knocked down.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  R I P to that man, by the way, you know, father, family man, you know, we should. We're dehumanizing CEOs right now, but people don't care about CEOs.

• 7:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, well, I would never dehumanize a CEO.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:55Trevor Noah?

  But.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Bad for business.

• 7:56Trevor Noah?

  But we'll get into this later, but I think part of the conversation is going to be us discussing who gets to be the killer. Do you know what I mean? But let's let's first start with like the the most recent news. He gets caught at a McDonald's. I don't know about you, but everywhere I went, people seemed to be on this guy's side.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:19Trevor Noah?

  I'm shocked that somebody snitched on him.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Um, so I'll throw this, I'll throw two things out there, right? One, first one is, uh, this is not in defense of this person who did the telling. I'm just telling you what happened, right? In my experience, when you work at a job like that and somebody crazy come in, you just want them out by any means necessary. And so I think there is a part of you working there being like, look, I don't know. He might think I'm the CEO. I don't know what he gonna do next. I will say, though, there's some crazy irony in that, and I don't know if y'all have heard it yet, but I know all these things are happening in real time. Every minute, there's like a new update and stuff.

• 9:03Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. As we said, there are no facts in this podcast. These are all sweeping judgments. Keep going, Josh.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Apparently, apparently, they are not gonna give that McDonald's worker the reward that they were advertising, which is low-key hilarious, because if I lost out on $60,000, I would be mad enough to shoot somebody.

• 9:23Trevor Noah?

  I don't understand what the logic is behind that, by the way.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  The reward or not giving it?

• 9:26Trevor Noah?

  No, the not giving the reward. I don't understand why, like, apparently, you've got to, like, claim it ahead of time type thing. But I don't know what you've heard, Josh.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, so what I've heard is that it's quote-unquote "complicated", which is a hilarious statement, because it wasn't complicated when that man was right there.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  But apparently, it's complicated because it has the actual reward to go out has to be approved by, like, two different bodies, and the first reward of $10,000, because remember, at first, it was $10,000, and then they were like, "Oh, we're upping it." Apparently, only one authorized person said that, not the other one. So then they're like, "Oh, we're not gonna give you the money," and we got the guy. And what are you gonna do? Sue us? We're the FBI?

• 10:14Trevor Noah?

  You see, the system doesn't care about you.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't.

• 10:17Trevor Noah?

  I think this story, I mean, it's, you know, look, I'll echo what you said, Christiana. I am not happy for anybody to be shot. I do not wish for any CEO to be shot, etc. But, but, but.

• 10:31Trevor Noah?

  I found it interesting that companies and CEOs saw this moment, first and foremost, through the lens of them and their safety and their ideas, then seeing it through, like, how people were responding to it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if, think about it this way, when Donald Trump, someone tried to shoot Donald Trump.

• 10:54Trevor Noah?

  I don't know what the exact number was, but it felt like half the country was like, oh no. And then maybe like thirty percent, even twenty percent was like, yeah, maybe, maybe. But it didn't feel like a unanimous thing, right? This is Donald Trump, someone would, who, people would argue the most polarizing figure in American politics and. Yo, when the CEO guy got shot, Twitter had some of the meanest and funniest memes produced in one twenty-four hour cycle. I, I don't, there wasn't even a single person who was like, guys, guys, guys. This is too soon.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:28Trevor Noah?

  I've never seen jokes never be too soon. And I don't understand why they, why they didn't think of that first. Like, why was their first thought, oh, this shows you how dangerous it is to do our jobs? And not, oh, this shows you how the things we're doing in our jobs are so shitty that the whole country.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:45Trevor Noah?

  Is for an assassin.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Think that in order to effectively do the job of a CEO, especially when it comes to something that deals with human life, you have to be nearly sociopathic in nature. And so then your personal well-being is still like enough of a hierarchy in your mind that you don't think about things in the way that it would almost make sense to think about them, if that makes sense.

• 12:08Trevor Noah?

  It does.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  So for me, like, like a good example, I know a lot of dudes who used to be a bouncer. And all them, all those dudes that used to be a bouncer, the same thing happened. Somebody finally pulled a gun on them and they were like, you know what? I don't need this job, right?

• 12:25Speaker 01

  And, and, but it was a thing of like, oh, I'm gonna do something different because I don't, I don't like what's happening right now. So them taking down all their info and not just being like, you know what? Everybody gets free anesthesia for the next six months. Like, like they didn't try to like buy some goodwill. They didn't try like change anything about the practices. And I think that speaks to like a deeper issue in, in the psyche. They don't think like us because they don't have to, if that makes sense.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Also, I feel like, I don't know, maybe because I'm a foreigner here. Violence seems so ambient in America, like there's always shootings, right? And. For the first time, I think for like regular people, it finally happened to a person that is normally like immune to that type of violence. Like, how often do you, like, you hear about kids getting shot in school all the time, like to the point we've kind of been desensitized to school shootings. How many times do you hear about a CEO getting shot? And to a lot of people, CEOs are the enemy. So it was like, now's the time to get the jokes off, honestly. Cause like, these are people that don't ever experience violence in the way that.

• 13:34Trevor Noah?

  You know, you know what I think it also was? It's also the fact that it felt like it was targeted in a clean and specific way. Do you know what I mean? Like, every time we we read a story in the news about a shooter, a public event, they might leave a manifesto, they might, but it feels like such an attack on everybody. That the people, everyone in the community, even whether, you know, whether or not you're directly in that community or not, you feel terrorized by the act.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:00Trevor Noah?

  This guy was so precise and so clean with it. And again, just in case you're listening, I do not approve any of these things. I'm just pointing out how it was perceived by myself and many other people. It was so clean and precise that nobody else felt like it could have happened to them. And nobody else felt like it was meant to happen to them. It's almost like, yeah, this was between you and him, man.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it felt like you should only be scared if you're the CEO of a health company.

• 14:26Trevor Noah?

  That's what I mean.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Everyone else, it was like, it's Wednesday.

• 14:29Trevor Noah?

  Whereas when you read all these other stories where they'll say, oh, this person had an issue, they were bullied at school, you're like, yeah, but they shot all the kids.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:36Trevor Noah?

  They didn't just shoot the kid who was the main bully, they shot all the kids.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:40Trevor Noah?

  And this guy or whoever actually did it, this person went, shot the person. And then, do you see in the video, there's the lady drinking her coffee? Or she's drinking something in the video. And the shooting happens and then she just like runs off. Could, she's also like, oh, this has nothing to do with me. She doesn't, you know what I mean? She doesn't, she doesn't put her hands up, she doesn't start screaming, she just like goes like, ah, well, clearly. These two people have some sort of disagreement and it is not about me, I'm gonna move.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  I thought it was like a lover, you know where my mind goes.

• 15:13Trevor Noah?

  What?

• 15:13Speaker 02

  I thought it was like a, like a jilted lover and he was coming back to get his revenge.

• 15:19Trevor Noah?

  A CEO of a healthcare company getting shot was about, what books are you reading?

• 15:24Speaker 02

  You don't wanna know.

• 15:25Trevor Noah?

  No, no, a lot of people thought that. A lot of people were like.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  You don't want to know.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of people were like, oh, him and his wife have been separated. He probably cheated. She went ahead and like. And so I think that the difference with this one as well is that there's nothing that reminds you um of the

• 15:49Speaker 01

  of like the circles and the and the and the class affairs like healthcare does and access to it. Because even with tech, because remember when that tech CEO got stabbed in San Francisco? Nobody was like, oh, they're after us as CEOs because like startups and all that stuff is like still in the culture as like a way to lift yourself up. And we don't see tech and tech bros in that even though we make fun of them, we don't see them as the enemy as much, right? Whereas healthcare, if you've ever had somebody sick in your life, if you've ever been sick and you were like, I followed all the rules. I gave you money every month for seven years.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  And now you're you're playing me because you can, because you're in that like higher echelon of this like unspoken caste system, then then yeah, like you you now are a representative of the most evil thing.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  Also, the thing with healthcare is that like it doesn't matter how much money you have, you have a complaint about the American healthcare system.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Because I speak to my super wealthy friends and their doctors no longer take insurance because the doctors are being screwed by the insurance payments. So they're like, yeah, if I want to give birth, I pay $20,000. That's ridiculous. I shouldn't. You know, like I have health insurance, but so like whether you're the poorest of the poor or the super wealthy, you feel screwed by this system. So you're like, all right.

• 17:13Trevor Noah?

  And look, I know we're going back and forth, you know. Everyone colloquially would say health insurance company, healthcare company, healthcare. But um it's important to remember that this company didn't provide healthcare. Okay, this is just an insurance company for people's health. So what you do is you pay them. To ensure that you have care when something goes wrong.

• 17:39Trevor Noah?

  And yeah, it turns out a lot of the time, I think it's like thirty percent or somewhere up there. They're one of the highest in the country. They do not give you that insurance. But it is it is rare that an issue affects as many people across different race.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:54Trevor Noah?

  Gender, class lines.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:57Trevor Noah?

  As the healthcare industry in America. You know what I mean? And actually, I want to do this. Like, I know there's a bunch of manifestos that have come up. But apparently, this is like the the most recent slash most confirmed one by the most news agencies. Again, if it's not the one, it's not. But they're all similar. But this one is like, apparently.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  The one they said he did.

• 18:14Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, this is apparently, it says, um, uh, to the feds, I'll keep this short because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial, some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patients. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and to do lists that illuminate um the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering, so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas, but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder, the US has the number one most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly forty two in life expectancy.

• 18:54Trevor Noah?

  United is the, and there's an indecipherable thing, largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy, question mark. No, the reality is, these indecipherables have simply gotten too powerful and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it. Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space. And frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. That's a pretty gangster line, by the way. I like how.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Very, he has humility.

• 19:24Trevor Noah?

  He really does. Like, this guy's like gonna go, like, take out a CEO and he's like, look, hey, man, I also, I also admit, I don't know everything, but I'm gonna act on what I know. Hashtag humble.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:34Trevor Noah?

  I will say that's a, that's powerful for all of us to follow in life, the humility. And then the last part is he says, but many have illuminated the corruption and greed, E.G. Rosenthal Moore, decades ago, and the problems simply remain. It's not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently, I'm the first to face it with such brutal honesty.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I'll pitch you this, reading that from him was a reminder that when you read a history book, like Sheikh Wavar and them really were just making it up as they went.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? When you, when you look at like any sort of movement or any sort of revolutionary something, because they're gone and because they're like an idea.

• 20:15Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  We think of them as people who had the whole plan from the beginning. And in this, in like, this to me is the, is the most perfect example of why like, for everyone's sake, for the people with and for the haves and have-nots, for everyone's sake, our institutions genuinely need to start working the way they're supposed to work. Like no more free passes for like, like politicians, no more free passes for anyone because this person has basically said in, in no uncertain terms, right? Y'all, I'm only a little bit crazy. Like I'm, I'm literally just crazy enough to do this, but I'm not insane.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Like either this is gonna happen or you're gonna take care of the issue. Because we act as if, we act, we like, you see Josh Shapiro and them get up there and scold the American public, this person is not a hero. And it's like, alright, that's all well and good. And I actually, I, I agree with your sentiment. But you of all people should be working as hard as you can to save those CEO lives by passing laws that rein them in. You cannot tell people, listen, this is the way it's gonna be and you're gonna have to like it. And those people have guns in America.

• 21:32Trevor Noah?

  I also, I also think this, this, this is what I mean by who is allowed to kill. So, we forget that laws were made by people. And laws were made by people for people. We forget this, right? Oftentimes, people think about laws as if these were things that were passed down from the heavens. But laws were actually created by people for people, okay? One of those laws in most countries in the world is that your fate and how guilty you are is decided by people. So in America, you have a jury system, but in other places, they go to judge.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 22:04Trevor Noah?

  A person will say, yeah, you should go to jail for what you did, and I'm basing this on the law that was created by the people. What I think a lot of people don't realize in this, by the way, is in a strange way, if the majority, like the vast majority of the country, is for this guy, in the strangest way, like in a warped way, you then sort of have to question the whole system to go, oh, wait, is the system the thing that is right as it stands?

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:32Trevor Noah?

  Or is this expression of what this guy did exposing that the system is wrong and it's not with the people? Does this make sense?

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of like that.

• 22:41Trevor Noah?

  No, it makes sense. Like if all the people are against the system, then who is the system for?

• 22:45Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, you know that saying that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter?

• 22:50Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  I think to like people who are like very pro law enforcement, they're like, you know, you can't just have people going around shooting someone because they don't like the way they're doing their job.

• 22:57Trevor Noah?

  Right.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Which is like to me, very reasonable. And then you go, you go on Twitter and like, because you know, in the bullet casings, I don't know, I don't speak gun.

• 23:06Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah, they, they wrote like.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  They said like deny, depose.

• 23:08Trevor Noah?

  Deny, depose and delay.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Delay.

• 23:09Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  And that became a hashtag on TikTok and Twitter. And people are telling these horrific stories about their experience with the American healthcare system and watching their loved one die.

• 23:21Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  And they're like, this guy did something that I would have loved to do, but I was on the phone to customer service for hours.

• 23:29Trevor Noah?

  Crying because my family, yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Because of claims and people talking about, you know, when you max out a half a million for intensive care with your baby, you have to pay out whatever comes after that. So like, you know, people see him as a freedom fighter. And then other people are like, well, if we allow this to happen, it's like America's eventual decay.

• 23:47Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but I, but I think, I think the people who are saying that, first of all, you must look at who they are.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:53Trevor Noah?

  You know? Again, it's, it's such a hard conversation to have because like everyone will try and paint you as if you are pro just killing a person, which I'm not. You know those natural experiments that you never expect in the world, but then are forced to live through? They happen to you and they force you to think about what's happening in society, right? If I think of the Sackler family, right? The Sackler family is responsible for killing millions of people in America.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:19Trevor Noah?

  Whatever number, right? Hundreds of thousands at least. They are partly responsible for doing this in many ways actively, right? They're not in jail.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 24:29Trevor Noah?

  They're not going to be, you know, put on trial in that, all of this stuff, all of this. They're not going to be treated the way he was. And so in a strange way, to your point, I go corporations and giant groups of powerful people is the domain of the powerful. Like this is the land of the kings, right? They get to do a thing to a group of people. And we don't call that quote unquote murder or an assassination. They just go like, no, they were irresponsible and they they put profits over people's health and safety.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:00Trevor Noah?

  But I'm like, okay, but then what what happened to the people that they did it to? Well, many people died. Ah, so they weren't killed, they just happened to die.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 25:08Trevor Noah?

  Right? And so in a weird way, if this guy had started a company somehow, made it about healthcare, created a drug that this guy needed, gave him too much of the drug or too little of the drug, and then this guy died, then Luigi wouldn't be going to jail.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 25:25Trevor Noah?

  It's just about like how instantly he did it and how much he did out of the system that he gets treated differently. And again, I'm I'm going to say it a thousand times because you know how the world is. I'm not for what he did, but I it just it just throws up like an interesting, do you know what I mean, Josh? Like it throws up an interesting.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:39Trevor Noah?

  Conundrum.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Also.

• 25:40Trevor Noah?

  Because the the same people who are pro the system.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 25:45Trevor Noah?

  Apply it differently depending on who is doing the killing.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  They turn around, turn a blind eye to like corporate greed.

• 25:53Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Talk, I would call it, some people call it corporate manslaughter. I call it like corporate freaking murder, right?

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that also if you are able to spread as much of the culpability as possible, we we have a hard time imagining one thousand people in a company being liable for one murder, if that makes sense.

• 26:14Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, completely.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  So so that also takes away some of it, even in the person's mind who does it. Because I think the. The thing that um I won't say no one wants to say cuz I'm not acting like I'm some complete outlier in in my rhetoric over it. But I think the thing I have not heard anyone say is that um this man Luigi committed murder. But he did not commit the murder of an innocent man. And I think that's where everyone's struggling.

• 26:41Trevor Noah?

  I think that is where a lot of people are struggling.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, because it's like, I understand what the Josh Shapiros and even what the news to a certain degree is doing where they're like, no, we can't just have murder, blah, blah, blah. And I get that. But he killed a killer. So like when it's on Dexter, we love it.

• 26:59Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  So how are we now so shocked that people mostly and people who have been killed, by the way? Because that's the other thing that I think a lot of, I won't put it on all of like white America or anything cuz they obviously have their own factions and their own sections and stuff like that. But that's what a lot of people don't even understand about like gang culture is that it's like someone eventually gets got. You stay in the street long enough, you get your people and then you get got. And then there are people that were that were never gonna come for you. But they're waiting for the day that you get got cuz you killed their cousin.

• 27:34Trevor Noah?

  Mm hmm, mm hmm.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  And I and so they don't necessarily.

• 27:38Trevor Noah?

  You were responsible for the the shooting.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:40Trevor Noah?

  And they weren't involved in gang anything, but they are happy the day you get. That's a that's a great analogy, actually. Yes.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  And so so I think that's what a lot of a lot of the I guess you could say upper echelon or or the well off parts of America do not understand because they are so used to having like swift and definitive justice for themselves.

• 28:01Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  That they cannot put themselves in the shoes of someone who did something to you. And that's just how it is. And that's just gonna that's just what happens. And so then I move on and you have to live with it.

• 28:15Trevor Noah?

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• 29:00Trevor Noah?

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• 29:43Trevor Noah?

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• 31:09Trevor Noah?

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• 31:27Speaker 02

  Josh, I was wondering something because I think on here we speak a lot about young men being radicalized. That was my thing, that was my Trump assassination take. I was like, these white boys are going crazy, guys, we need to get them jobs. Like.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  But this guy had all the jobs.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  And right, so.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  And all the money.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  There are some people saying on like the more right wing media that this is a clear case of left wing indoctrination. You send your kid to these prep schools, then they go to the IVs, they come across these crazy ideas. And then, look what we have here. We have someone that, you know, a boy that had the whole, his whole future ahead of him, decides to shoot a CEO. And that is some of the rhetoric we're seeing out there. Do you feel he fits under the young man radicalization? Whether it's to the left or the right, because we're seeing this happen on both sides of the spectrum. Like, there was a kid that set himself on fire for Palestine last year, if you remember. And so it's just like, do you think he fits that category? Or he's just like something of, something else entirely?

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, personally, I don't, because I don't see any of the.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  I think the blinders that we have as Americans are like, almost like when you go into the 3D theater and they give you the glasses and one side is red and one side is blue and it's about to shape how you see everything. So you're gonna see this 3D world because you have the red on and the blue on together. And I think that if you go to one of those 3D movies without the glasses on and you're just like, this is bad. This doesn't make any sense. That is who I think he is. I don't think there was a Republican or a Democratic agenda, because if you pay attention to Republicans and Democrats, they're both for the health insurance companies. And there's nothing to me that screams politics with

• 33:12Speaker 01

  it as far as the online radicalization, because everyone, there are people, so even people who are pro-cop are like, hey, sometimes dudes gotta get got.

• 33:21Trevor Noah?

  He, yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? And so, so I don't think he got radicalized in a normal work out Jordan Peterson pipeline, if that makes sense.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Do you want to, well, my take is, because-

• 33:35Trevor Noah?

  That sounded like my favorite.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Work out Jordan Peterson.

• 33:38Trevor Noah?

  Work out Jordan Peterson.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Because he's very, I mean, we haven't, we haven't spoken about his appearance.

• 33:42Trevor Noah?

  No, I just think that's a funny, work out Jordan Peterson.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  He's very ripped. He's very ripped, very handsome. I won't dwell on that too much, but that is informing why some people are treating him this way. But I think they spoke about him having these-

• 33:56Trevor Noah?

  I actually, I actually argue, before you move on.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:59Trevor Noah?

  I actually think it's the other way around. I think, you know, sort of in the same world that Josh is in, I think we might be looking at a lot of this backward, right? We're going, oh, because he's hot, people are treating him differently. Because he's good-looking, people are treating, because he's white, people are treating, because he's this, because- I think it's literally the other way around. I think because he went after somebody who represented something that everyone considers a deep enemy. And I mean a deep enemy because they, in the most extreme cases, they've lost family members because of this.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:39Trevor Noah?

  Or they themselves are in like chronic pain and cannot get help because of this system.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  And this is a company that denies one in five claims.

• 34:46Trevor Noah?

  I think because of that, people are able to see things. So like, if, yes, obviously, there were people who'd always think he's good looking because he's good looking, maybe. But I think more people can see his good looking this because he did a thing that they approve of.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Trevor, I'm telling you as a woman. He is stadiums above the average man.

• 35:04Trevor Noah?

  No, Christian, I'm not just.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Beautiful man.

• 35:06Trevor Noah?

  Keep, you said you don't want to dwell, but I feel like you want to dwell on his looks.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Like, no, the first, when you saw the first image where the mask was down, I was like, mm mm. You cannot send this man to prison. He is fake. He needs to be like an Calvin Klein ad. Um, and then you're seeing more pictures, like even like the mug shot, he's serving.

• 35:27Trevor Noah?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Trevor, that is shaping how women feel and gay men feel about this. I'm just gonna speak on our behalf.

• 35:33Trevor Noah?

  I'm not taking that away. What I'm saying is this, to, okay, to Josh's point. Like, if somebody, you know, the enemy of my enemy in a way.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:42Trevor Noah?

  Right? There are people, as you say, Josh, who are pro law enforcement, who are like, yeah, but in this instance, I'm with him. There are people who are anti-gun, who are like, yeah, but in this instance, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. But because this guy has done something that most people would argue is almost like morally correct.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  They understand it.

• 36:03Trevor Noah?

  Which is weird, by the way, because it's morally accepted or morally correct. They then are able to put aside the thing that, that, that butts heads with what they normally agree or disagree with in this instance.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. That's why I don't think his radicalization was like of the norm. Because he somehow, by just, this, this is, I'll, I'll pitch you this, and now, please don't put me on a list.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Because this is gonna make me sound radicalized, but like, I cannot get over what I was saying before off of what he wrote. I don't think he's someone that was radicalized. I think he was someone who like, in H.G. Wells' Time Machine, the, the, the perspective of the author is someone who's not of that time in the future, where people are just like, kind of willy-nilly and like, they're willing to let someone drown and not do anything or whatever. He's like the only one that's like, "Hey, hey, everybody, everybody, something has to be done." I'm saying that like, from what he wrote, if you take him at his word, he's like, "The first domino had to drop and it was, it just was me because it just was." And that's actually someone who, the thing that they do may be crazy,

• 37:12Speaker 01

  but that's not a crazy thing to think, right? If you've ever been out with your friends and you're the only sober one and everybody's drunk, there's, it's, one of the hardest things to do is move a party of drunk people out of somewhere. And so, so now, you're the one that's like, kind of being the, the jerk in a way, that's yelling like, "Okay, okay, okay, okay, we gotta go, way." And I think that that is more what he thinks he did than any form of like, he's, he himself said, he's like, "I'm not even the most qualified to have this discussion." "I'm just telling you, you're not invincible. The way you treat people matters." Like, whatever people are gonna insert into this and maybe put in the, the zeitgeist is like,

• 37:54Speaker 01

  that was his intention and that doesn't feel as crazy to me as like, someone who is like Unabomber, right? Because this dude managed to Venn diagram Kyle Rittenhouse and SEAL Team Six.

• 38:08Trevor Noah?

  Everyone.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  This dude, this dude managed to get the people who are super, super left, the people who are super, super right, and like, even the cops, you could see the cops weren't looking hard.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  The cops got family in hospital.

• 38:23Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man, that's true, actually.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  That's why they were brushing those leaves. He ain't over here.

• 38:28Trevor Noah?

  I cut you off the way. So you were going, you were going down a rabbit hole.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  What I was gonna say, I think the um, the back thing, that's something I've been thinking about since yesterday. The fact that he lives with chronic pain and had this surgery that made it worse. So like, it's technically in a way disabled or has this disabling event. Any type of chronic issue, especially in American healthcare system, can make you crazy. And I'm not saying what he did was in the moment of craziness, but being in constant pain and the people that are supposed to take care of you

• 39:01Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  do not, will take you to a place where most people are just like, I'm just gonna stuff myself with opiates.

• 39:07Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? And he's like, we have to do something about it.

• 39:11Trevor Noah?

  But you see, to Josh's point, though, and I think this is where we, you know, Josh, this is where I think you and I are literally on the exact same side of seeing this is the word crazy here i- is for me the key, because I agree with you. Somebody in chronic pain can be, can do something crazy.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:28Trevor Noah?

  But oftentimes, those people, the crazy goes everywhere. Whether it's a guy in Japan who goes to a preschool and stabs a bunch of kids, whether it's like somebody in Australia who walks into a crowd and shoots a bunch, and then they'll all leave some sort of manifesto and they go like, the world is this, or my company did this. And people are like, wait, you stabbed preschoolers because your company fired? Wait, what is happening? And then here, to, to, you know, to what Josh is saying, and I think what a lot of people are feeling is the guy's like, yes, I'm chronically in pain, but I'm not gonna shoot a nurse, I'm not gonna shoot a doctor. I'm not gonna shoot an ambulance driver, I'm not going to shoot anyone who works in our hospital. I'm not gonna shoot my doctor. I'm not gonna, no, no, no. I am going to go to the person who I think has the most impact on this system.

• 40:10Trevor Noah?

  And I'm basically gonna take like an assassin's Reaganomics approach and say this thing will trickle down. And that to me seems like the opposite of crazy.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  No, I don't think he's crazy. I think he's got, but you know me, Trevor, I think everybody's got a little bit of crazy in them.

• 40:24Trevor Noah?

  Then to me, I go that's like.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  To live in this simulation, you cannot be saying, right? Um, but I think, I think it was a very lucid thing, like, cause what was that?

• 40:36Trevor Noah?

  Guys, do you know how, have you ever engraved a bullet case? This is, this is a very, have you ever held, have you ever held a bullet?

• 40:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 40:44Trevor Noah?

  Let me tell you something, bullets are, bullets are tiny, especially in that type of gun, right? Engraving that thing takes a lot of, like, dexterity.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  I mean, he's got an engineering degree from Penn.

• 40:54Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but my, yes, but my point is, this is not a like, man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something about it and then go outside. No, you're sitting there, you've got your bullet.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:03Trevor Noah?

  You're like working away, you think, you can't make any spelling errors.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:06Trevor Noah?

  Right? Because that's not gonna, that's not gonna get, Deli doesn't get the same effect when people find the stuff. Do you know what I mean?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Do you think he whistled while he made them?

• 41:15Trevor Noah?

  I'm just saying, most people who are working, creating things, especially tiny things, whether it's trains or planes, will generally, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll work on it. And I, yeah, I think, I, I don't know, look, again, and I'm gonna throw this disclaimer in one more time. We do not know everything, this is sweeping judgments from everything we do know, from everything we do know, or what we think we know right now, could all be wrong, might be wrong, let's work on what we have. We look at like even like the books and stuff that he was reading, and then like the reviews that he apparently left on some of them.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  By the way, he also followed Trevor on Twitter, so he's a man of taste, we must say that.

• 41:51Trevor Noah?

  He, can I, can I give him props? He followed a broad range of people, AOC, Joe Rogan, uh, me, Steve-O, like, this is like a broad.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  I think he followed Elon on Twitter as well.

• 42:01Trevor Noah?

  Like, it's a broad range of people.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:04Trevor Noah?

  And if anything, he made me think, huh, should I not be broadening my?

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Well, you know you're safe if he gets off non-guilty.

• 42:12Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, no, I think, I think of it more like this, I thought to myself, if this young man, could, cause someone said to me, they're like, why would he follow you and Joe Rogan? And I was like, actually, you know what? If this young man could see any similarities in something between me and Joe Rogan, then maybe I could do a better job of that as well. That's what I thought to myself. And so, I think when I look at this person. I I will say this, good luck to them finding a jury. That is gonna find him guilty. Eh, or even a jury who who won't pull that, you know that law? It's like a, what what is it called? It's like some weird, there's like this weird law in America with jury nullification, I think it's called or something. Where jury can be like, yeah, the person did it, but you know what, man? It's aight.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  The jury is gonna be tainted just because who hasn't had a terrible experience with healthcare companies in this country? But this, but this is exactly my point. This is exactly my point.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  I'll pitch you this, all that dude gotta do is roll up in there and be like, y'all, I am so sorry. I've been crazy and I was on the phone with United Healthcare and nobody would take my call. And so I was trying not to do this for six months, because remember, y'all, I went missing. Remember when I went missing? And so then I was, I was on the phone with them that whole time I was missing. And then they didn't pick up, so I was like, let me go see him.

• 43:29Trevor Noah?

  Damn. All, everything you're saying, everything you're saying.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Also, if you wanna talk about safe CEOs, I know that the CEO of Starbucks must have signed a brother relief. That man hit a Starbucks right before he did it. And then CEO of McDonald's too, McDonald's probably like, oh, thank goodness, oh, aight, oh, boy, okay.

• 43:54Trevor Noah?

  There's a, there's a, there's an interesting, um, I'm not sure if it was a study or if it was just a piece of work that was done on how, how collective groups can shift individual morals. And it literally spoke to this idea of

• 44:11Trevor Noah?

  everything that people will do as part of a company, they would never do as a person.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:17Trevor Noah?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 44:18Trevor Noah?

  And I think what this, what this kid allegedly did is he sort of poked a hole in the idea that a corporation isn't people. Do you know what I mean?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 44:32Trevor Noah?

  Because like, we often act like corporations are not people. We go like, well, the company, the company.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:38Trevor Noah?

  The company, the company. And then it's like, the company, and you cannot send a company to jail, that's literally the law. So they go like, you can't, what are you gonna do about it? And so the company's fine, and the company. And then he came along and he was like, oh, no, no, no. Guys, it's not the company. You know, in the same way, when you, when you go on a safari. They say the reason animals don't jump in and eat you is because the lions see you as one unit with the vehicle. So they don't see people inside the car, they go, this thing rumbles past us and it doesn't eat us and doesn't fight with us, so we don't care about it, and it's not our prey. Whatever, and they leave it alone. And in a weird way, it feels like what he did here for many people was, he went,

• 45:21Trevor Noah?

  yes, I know that this behemoth is unstoppable. It is unsuable, it is unbeatable, it is unquestion, it's everything, you, you. But you know what it has? People who run it. And by piercing that veil, I think a lot of the people who run it now go like, ugh.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Think twice.

• 45:40Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, because, let me put it this way. The fact that th- this is, this is what I, I also realized from this, this whole incident. Is like, companies don't give a shit. They truly don't. Now, there are companies who are selling benign products, and it's like, all right, whatever, this is a drink you like, you know, a vacation or what, yeah, I'm not, I don't, I don't hate companies, right? But there's an element of like, companies, they don't give a shit.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:06Trevor Noah?

  And you see the levels of don't give a shit, even in the story. This guy gets shot, the CEO. He was going for an investor meeting. You know, they still held a meeting.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, like some gang. They still had that meeting. The mob doesn't do that. The mob, if, if somebody, in no Godfather movie did somebody get pop pop and they were like, so you were saying? That's never happened in a mob movie.

• 46:29Trevor Noah?

  They held the meeting.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  R I P, moment of silence.

• 46:32Trevor Noah?

  Yo, did they react?

• 46:33Speaker 02

  The meeting going ahead is the most chilling thing.

• 46:35Trevor Noah?

  And then how did they, and then how did all these healthcare companies react? They pulled down their leadership from every website.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:42Trevor Noah?

  But here's my thing. If they believe that this thing was so dangerous, that they need to pull down their faces. Why would they not like get protection for everyone? Why would they? Do you get what I'm saying?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:54Trevor Noah?

  It it it's such a like nefarious. It's all about us. It's the the top and it's the CEOs. I'm like, you guys, you can't even act like good guys in this moment. You can't even come out and go, man, you know, we we don't like what happened. But we need to have conversations about what the healthcare industry, how we are perceived.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 47:13Trevor Noah?

  Because if one of us is shot and everyone is happy, maybe it's time for us to look inward and be like, damn. Maybe there's something we are doing or aren't doing. And and I go back to, by the way, the Trump assassination thing. I said this, people disagreed with me, whatever. But I said like afterwards, you look at those few weeks after Trump was shot at. He was a little calmer. He was just a little bit like, hey, man, you know, you know, come on, guys, like, hey, man. And I I think there's a there's like a humanness that companies just don't encourage in people. And this got exposed by even for the like, if you work for this company, why would you even like? Why would you? Why would you help them make themselves worse? When they've shown you that if the worst that they do comes back on you, they don't give a shit about you.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Well, if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance.

• 47:58Trevor Noah?

  The grand irony, right? Probably right. Yeah, the grand irony.

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• 50:31Speaker 01

  This is once again gonna make me sound like I've been radicalized or something, and I genuinely have not, right? Disclaimer, disclaimer. But another thing that I think was

• 50:44Speaker 01

  was on people's minds and was a thing to root for with this guy is we are in the year of what feels like open murders by corporations. That Boeing guy, that second Boeing guy, the whistleblower deaths that have been happening in American companies are like so undertone scary that I think people were like, yeah. That like you cannot separate that in my mind.

• 51:14Trevor Noah?

  It really felt like David and Goliath.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Yes, because, because like when you look at Boeing, all that dude said was what we already knew, by the way. The dude, the dude that got like mysteriously murdered in the parking lot of his hotel room, right before he was supposed to testify in court, all that stuff. That dude, all he did was he had worked at Boeing for like, I think nineteen years or something like that. But he was like, the plane door gonna fly off. We already saw the plane door fly off. So he didn't even have any secrets. He was just about to say it in court. And he mysteriously dies. A dude who no one actually knows where that dude is. I think that that's a big part of it.

• 51:52Trevor Noah?

  You think it'll change anything?

• 51:55Speaker 02

  I think if there's copycats, I think it could.

• 51:59Trevor Noah?

  Huh.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  I think if there's copycats, and I do think there's a high chance there could be, because there's a lot of people out there that feel they have nothing to lose, you know?

• 52:08Trevor Noah?

  So you think the one, no?

• 52:11Speaker 02

  No, I don't think one's enough, because I don't think that health insurance companies are scared enough. And there's like trillions on the line, like it's a lot of money, right? And they can hire security and do all these things. But if it becomes a thing of like, you know how Robin Hood would like steal from the rich and give to the poor? And it's like, there's people out there who are disgruntled and they shoot people high up at health insurance companies. It completely change how they operate, but I don't think one's enough. Not that I'm trying to say people should do more, please.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Everything disclaimer disclaimer.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  I don't want that smoke, but I just don't think one's enough. But I think if there's copycats, it's, it's game over.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I also think more would be bad, because a lot of people don't have aim.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  That's why people thought he was a professional assassin.

• 52:58Trevor Noah?

  No, but he got up really close. People forget that. He got up really, really close.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Like, like there are people who, who say, uh, the whole sniping from far away thing is like a thing in the movies.

• 53:10Trevor Noah?

  No, this is more real, like up close, that's, you know, this is what's happening in like. Developing countries all around the world, people who are like running to clean up government. You don't get caught from far.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 53:22Trevor Noah?

  For the most part, yeah, just someone comes up, even even think of like.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  But MLK, wasn't it like a balcony?

• 53:28Trevor Noah?

  No, I think they're a lot closer.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  He was on a balcony, right?

• 53:31Trevor Noah?

  I think they're a lot closer than you think, is what's always the case.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think he, I think he got caught because, yeah, MLK was on a balcony, but he shot him. I think in the picture they're pointing at.

• 53:42Trevor Noah?

  Yes, they are.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Where the shot came from. Yeah.

• 53:45Trevor Noah?

  It's one, it's one of those, it's one of those things.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  I, you know, maybe I've watched too many movies. I always thought it was just like that sniper thing and people are super far.

• 53:53Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, you know, can I say, talking about movies, I, again, I don't, I don't, disclaimer, disclaimer, I don't disclose, I don't condone anything, blah, blah, blah. I was disappointed at how he got caught.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  In a McDonald's?

• 54:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:08Trevor Noah?

  No, like what I mean is like, you know, it seemed so like, you know, bit it, bit it, bit it, bit it, bit. Like it was just like, wow.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Well, that's why black people don't believe it's him. You know that, right?

• 54:19Trevor Noah?

  No, I know. I know the conspiracies.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:21Trevor Noah?

  Because it was, it was just like, the guy seemed to do everything like really well, and then all of a sudden it was like, oh.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  So do you wanna know my theory?

• 54:29Trevor Noah?

  Found with a bag with everything in it at a McDonald's, just chilling.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  I think he didn't mind getting caught. He did what he wanted to do. He wanted to kill the CEO. And everything after that was a bonus. I think he probably thought he'd be caught sooner.

• 54:43Trevor Noah?

  Oh, interesting.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz it's like, there's no, he had the weapon on it allegedly, cuz some people say they planted stuff, but had a weapon on him, he had a manifesto on him, like, he's telling the cops how he did it in his, his note. I, I feel like he, he was just like, I wanna, I'm gonna kill that guy, that's all I wanna do, and we'll see what happens next. I don't think he was like on the run and trying to like go into the shadows, but maybe, Josh, you disagree.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  I, well, I only slightly disagree. I, first I thought what, exactly what Christian thought. So, so when I heard that they even had a suspect or that like he took his mask down or something, I was like, all right, this person's either like really dumb or they don't mind getting caught. Uh, but I personally, this is just me, I think he was on the way to do it again.

• 55:29Trevor Noah?

  Oh.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  I think that, I think where they caught him, what they caught him with, it screams someone who's not done, to me. Like that, like, like.

• 55:39Trevor Noah?

  Oh, you see, I, yeah, I can take that.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  I think he was in, in, I'm surprised the news hasn't like said that, or, or no one that I saw in the news has theorized that. Because to me, to have everything with you, like, crackheads don't do that. Like, like, to have everything on you from the crime you committed days ago, by the way. This stuff is heavy after a while. You're not gonna lighten your load, throw it in a trash can, two states away or something? So, I mean, my thing is, if this kid is trying to get away, his family owns two country clubs, right? When you fly private, they don't check you for weapons, they don't check, so all he has to do is fly private, uh, onto the other side of the country, and then take a bus into Mexico.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  He already had the head start of Central Park, which I don't think people realize how much he was not gonna get caught.

• 56:31Trevor Noah?

  Also, also, the, the Central Park of, this is the one thing that's confused me. The police said that he went into Central Park and then appeared on the other side without the backpack. That's what they said. That was the original statement, right?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  So.

• 56:46Trevor Noah?

  I don't know if you know anything about this.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  The, the theory that I've seen, right, is that a lot of what people are saying, because the police, and I don't just mean NYPD, I mean, any police department, is never gonna go out of their way, even if it means telling the truth, to make themselves look incompetent, stupid, corrupt, whatever. And so, there were, there were some people that were saying, this thing, like the thing that you just read, was when they were looking at a different person and they were wrong.

• 57:13Trevor Noah?

  Ah, that would make sense.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? So.

• 57:16Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  So, they were wrong about that thing, which I think is why they haven't said it again. And now that he's got the backpack, they were like, yeah, he had the backpack the whole time.

• 57:24Trevor Noah?

  By the way, can I just say, one of the funniest moments, I think it was Eric Adams who came out, he was like, this, we, we solved this case using good old fashioned police work. It's like, no, someone snitched.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:34Trevor Noah?

  It's just another example of like, where it's like, yeah.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  This showed me how incompetent the police were.

• 57:39Trevor Noah?

  It was, it's nothing.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Like, even now, I'm like, you guys got outsmarted by a kid and.

• 57:43Trevor Noah?

  Literally nothing.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Caught because someone in McDonald's was like, oh, he's a weirdo.

• 57:47Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, someone snitched and that was it. Like that was literally.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  I mean, the fact that they are not giving that that worker the money.

• 57:56Trevor Noah?

  Josh is trying to radicalize this worker. I'm just gonna put it out there, Josh.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  I mean, the worker should have been radicalized working in McDonald's because I'm sure they don't have health insurance. And I'm just like shocked. The lack of class solidarity shocks me.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, like, you you robbed me of sixty K. I'm not saying I would.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  I'm just saying people have done it for less. I'm I'm.

• 58:18Trevor Noah?

  You're not saying you would.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  I just think it's wild.

• 58:20Trevor Noah?

  But you might you might buy a backpack.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but maybe we're underestimating how much like regular Americans do hate crime. Because if it's like a just a regular person working in McDonald's who's like, hey, police, I think I found him. That maybe there could be a jury in New York. Like, if they get people from like Queens and Staten Island who'd be like guilty.

• 58:39Trevor Noah?

  I hear you, but I think Josh's theory is the best I've heard, and it's that. Because you don't know what you're dealing with. Because think, again, let's let's look at America through a larger lens.

• 58:51Trevor Noah?

  Any shooter that people talk about is shooting everyone. So we have had very few, if any, instances of a like a targeted, single shooter that doesn't endanger another person type. Even the person, people always forget, at Trump's assassination, somebody else died. Like, no one, no one talks about that, right? It's not like the bullet didn't kill another human being. People are just like, whew, thank God, nothing happened. I'm like, no, no, no, there's a man who lost his life. He was just standing at the rally. So.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:19Trevor Noah?

  You get what I'm saying?

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:20Trevor Noah?

  So it's very rare that anyone who's shooting doesn't involve other people. Who they either didn't want to or didn't care to involve. Same with ga- gang violence. How many times are little kids shot in the midst of gang? And then the gangsters will be like, we didn't want to do it. And community is like, we don't care. You did it. So I can see somebody seeing that guy in the McDonald's and like, ah, man. That's why Josh's theory is completely, I I can see, because you you you don't know what's about to happen. But I think when it comes to jury time.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  It'll be different.

• 59:52Trevor Noah?

  It's gonna be a very different story. Because now people are like, ooh, when, if if his lawyer is in any way, shape or form allowed to bring up anything that United Healthcare does. I think it'll be tough for a jury to give this this kid everything.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  I mean, he's a rich kid, so he's not gonna have a public defender.

• 1:00:13Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  His family's gonna.

• 1:00:14Trevor Noah?

  This is gonna be an interesting case.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Family's gonna hire the best possible, as any parent should.

• 1:00:19Trevor Noah?

  This is gonna be the biggest case ever. Cristiano's gonna be at the courthouse, by the way. With a giant sign that says, take it off.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  I do, I do think one last thing about the McDonald's worker that that turned that dude in. I this this is probably way off base, but I think in their mind, they're like, okay, people miss all the time. And Trump did just work at McDonald's for fifteen minutes somewhere else. What if that man? What if this dude knows something I don't know? I wanna catch anything of the crosshairs at the fryer station.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  You know what? I'm curious about the McDonald's employee. I would love to hear from them.

• 1:00:58Trevor Noah?

  I think everybody would.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  That's the real third act in this story.

• 1:01:01Trevor Noah?

  Oh, you think that's the real third act?

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:02Trevor Noah?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just, because they're a polarizing person.

• 1:01:06Trevor Noah?

  I feel like that that's the epilogue.

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, people say if it was Popeyes, they would have been like, giving him more chicken and sent him on his way.

• 1:01:12Trevor Noah?

  I I I think, you know, one of the great, I mean, irony might be the wrong word about this, but I was thinking to myself. It's so amazing how almost unanimous, all the CEOs of these companies, literally, they, you know, they pulled down their photos. They sent, uh, did you see the emails they sent to employees?

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  No, I didn't.

• 1:01:31Trevor Noah?

  Healthcare companies have been sending manifest, not manifest, what do they call them, like pledges? To their employees to sign, and the pledge is like, I stand with my fellow healthcare community. And I believe that no violence should ever be committed against them. I pledge my allegiance to the healthcare company that I work for, insert name here. Like, literally, that's that's what they're going with. And then like, none of them went to work and it was a whole thing. And I was like, it's funny how now CEOs are like, yeah, yeah, work from home, work from home. Yeah, they were fully like, no, no, no, everyone's got to be back in the office. And then very quickly, they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Sometimes, sometimes you gotta work from home, man. You know, sometimes things happen in your life. And yeah, you just gotta chill.

• 1:02:15Trevor Noah?

  Josh, I uh, I, I have a question for you that's a little controversial. If, if you were on the jury, what are you, uh, what's your verdict?

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  That's a good question.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Um, do we know what he's been charged with besides murder?

• 1:02:30Trevor Noah?

  No, let's just say he's charged with murder. That's all I know.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Um, here's my thing.

• 1:02:37Trevor Noah?

  I'm loving this already.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  I would find him.

• 1:02:41Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  I would probably end up finding him not guilty by reason of insanity.

• 1:02:46Trevor Noah?

  Oh, okay, okay. Christiana?

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Um, so.

• 1:02:53Trevor Noah?

  She's gonna find him hot guilty.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Oh, he did it.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  My husband was like yesterday, he was like, you're talking about this guy? Do you think he's better looking than me? I was like, absolutely not, babe. What are you talking about? That's what he said to me. I was like, but he doesn't have a beard. I wonder how he'd look with a beard. But um, back to the matter at hand. Um, can jury make sentencing recommendation? Remember, you know, I'm an abolitionist.

• 1:03:19Trevor Noah?

  I think they can in certain cases, depending on where and how.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Guilty?

• 1:03:22Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  But I'd give him probation.

• 1:03:25Trevor Noah?

  Oh, damn, that came out of nowhere.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  I would give him five years probation.

• 1:03:31Trevor Noah?

  Because you would argue that he's not a risk?

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  Um, cause I, I actually don't think, prison doesn't work. All the research shows prison doesn't work. And I don't feel like he's a danger to other people. Like, I, you know, I believe in like.

• 1:03:42Trevor Noah?

  Which other people?

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Uh, you know, people like myself.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Listen.

• 1:03:49Trevor Noah?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Okay, okay. He was reading books by black authors, go through his Goodreads, you know?

• 1:03:54Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  I would, no, but like, I, but I say this about like, murder's a horrible thing. Like, I experienced it in my family earlier this year. And it's been the first time I actually really had to think about like, being abolitionist and how I feel. So, when it came to my family, you know, everyone feels differently about it. Like, some people are like, they need to spend forever in prison. Um, I do think, if prison does what it's supposed to do for people, you should go there and be restored and hopefully be let back into society. So that's why I would find him guilty, because he did take a life, right? He did commit murder. Um, maybe it's time, serve some time and then the rest probation. Because, honestly, to the kids of the man, he's not the CEO of a health insurance company, he's your dad.

• 1:04:41Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  And they have to live without their dad.

• 1:04:44Trevor Noah?

  This, this is true.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  You know, and so it's just like, I think there should be something in place, because we have to have some value for life. Even lives I despise, I'm like, your life has value, right? Um, so I'm like, I'd find him guilty, maybe serve some time. Um, but I don't think he should spend the rest of his life in prison, which I think for a lot of murderers shouldn't spend the rest of their lives in prison.

• 1:05:04Trevor Noah?

  Damn, okay.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Um, but, you know, a long time, like twenty years, thirty years.

• 1:05:08Trevor Noah?

  Wow, that's your life.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  No, it's not.

• 1:05:11Trevor Noah?

  That's your life.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  He is like a hot twenty-two.

• 1:05:13Trevor Noah?

  That's your life.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  He's gonna come out of it in his forties.

• 1:05:16Trevor Noah?

  I'm just gonna put it out there.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  George Clooney era by the time he comes out. No, I'm just saying.

• 1:05:20Trevor Noah?

  No way in Sweden don't even do a life sentence as twenty.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  I can't say the sentence, because I don't, you know, I can't say the sentence. I think he should, because also he should like, kind of sit down and think about what he wants to do next.

• 1:05:29Trevor Noah?

  I think he did when he was carving the bullets.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  You know, and then probation, and, and not like punitive probation, probation with a view of like, you can now contribute something to society.

• 1:05:38Trevor Noah?

  And people would argue he already did.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  He did, but like, in the positive way, not like addition by, not addition by subtraction, but like, some addition. You know what I mean? Like, but that's my, that's my view on like, people who kill.

• 1:05:49Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Um, and also, I feel like, if he was a black guy, we'd probably be having a different conversation right now, so, you know.

• 1:05:57Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Trevor, I'm so sorry.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  That's my view on it.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Do you mind, based off of Christiana's brilliant answer, I think I need to change my answer.

• 1:06:05Trevor Noah?

  Whoa, whoa, what are you talking about?

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I would, I would probably find him guilty. Wow. And I would sentence him to be the CEO of a healthcare company.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Not so easy, what you gotta do it, brah. What about you, Trevor?

• 1:06:23Trevor Noah?

  Um, so if, if the back pain thing is real, and if some of the stories are true, and if his lawyer very creatively argued self-defense, I would have a difficult time sending him to prison.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:42Trevor Noah?

  Because I think one of the hardest things we grapple with in society is, again, I come back to how we started. I myself wish to live by the rules and the laws that everyone else does, but I do believe we live in a society where that isn't true. And I believe the more power you amass, the more pain you can inflict on other people. And you're not held to the same laws and the same punishments as everybody else. And so it is difficult because we ourselves are in the thing that we are trying to, in many ways, reshape and dismantle. So it, it's like, it's confusing because you, you're in it, right?

• 1:07:22Trevor Noah?

  But if somebody is unable or is, if their life is being threatened by this nebulous entity, and they're like, this is the only way I can protect myself and others,

• 1:07:40Trevor Noah?

  I would struggle to find them guilty based on the evidence. And a lot of that evidence for me would be based on like, this company, have we shown that they actively try to not pay for people's healthcare? How many people have died because of their practices? Are they actively doing this? For instance, like they had that AI software a while ago where they had AI that was, um, basically approving or denying claims. And the numbers, I say, might be off, but I, but I think I remember them correctly. This thing was was denying like ninety percent of the claims that were coming through.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:08:17Trevor Noah?

  And then they found that it had it was making a mistake and they kept it. They kept it because they were just like, whoa, we're just printing money here. And that's just one example of like what this company has been accused of or found guilty of or do you know what I mean? Four hundred billion dollars in profit and whatever or revenue, it's like they they've been crushing it. So I do not wish for the death of anyone, but I'm like you, the thing has happened now, right? But it it it's a difficult one for me to wrestle with because I do think we live in a world where some people with the right tools and everything can take anyone out and if they are blanketed by enough corporations and ideas, then they are seen as a, you know?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Maybe I just see it from his family's side, like his parents, his siblings and his children.

• 1:09:01Trevor Noah?

  Completely.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  And you're like, his life had some value to them.

• 1:09:04Trevor Noah?

  Completely.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Because like for me, my parents, kids, your parents aren't their jobs, like even Saddam Hussein's kids.

• 1:09:11Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, no, completely.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  I love my dad, you know, like these like very horrific people.

• 1:09:15Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  And if we believe like all life has inherent value.

• 1:09:18Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but I'm arguing that the value of his life is now not going to be, because remember, I'm also an abolitionist. Remember, for me, it's based on this, does he have a direct connection with this company? And were they doing something to him directly? That for me has a big effect on it because I then go, hmm. It is difficult for me to then go, because someone will be like, yes, but if you have a problem with the company, take them to court. Good luck, go go try that, you get what I'm saying?

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  I'm trying to figure out the ways we hold this young man who's done this thing, which.

• 1:09:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, for me, I, you know, he'll go to therapy and we we shut him down and.

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  Make him accountable because I just I just don't think you should be able to kill people, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:58Trevor Noah?

  I don't, I don't think so either. I mean. I don't think so either, but I think he's already going to be held more accountable than every CEO of company. And remember, this is a clear thing, a clear thing I I want to add in this conversation is. I think all three of us agree here. This is not about being a CEO, by the way. Like, CEO is like a loose title. People have it on their

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  It's the healthcare.

• 1:10:16Trevor Noah?

  Dating profiles. So CEO is the thing that I think can sometimes muddy it. I think people should just ask themselves, like, you know, from a corporation standpoint, from an organizational standpoint. Like, why, why is it okay, let's say, for the US government to go in and kill like El Chapo or Osama bin Laden? Why do they do that?

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 1:10:38Trevor Noah?

  Why do they do that? Right? They do it because they go, look, we know that many people are involved in this organization that is taking people's lives. But we figure if we can get to this person who's the head of the organization, we're making the biggest difference. And that is what we're doing. And then we, and I say we as the collective, most people do not go, oh, the American government murdered Osama bin Laden.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  I say that.

• 1:10:57Trevor Noah?

  Okay, you say that, but most people do not. They'll be like, no, no, no. They went after the guy and they they got him, okay? Or they, and El Chapo's alive, but you get what I'm saying. They'll go like, oh, yeah, they they shot Pablo Escobar. People won't be like, oh, they they murdered him. They're like, no, no, it was a chase. They got him on the roof. They shot the dude. Okay? And so I'm saying, in in a weird way here, I'm saying on a jury, by the way.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:21Trevor Noah?

  I'm not condoning. I'm not agreeing with, because everyone has a different way to solve their issues. Right? I would probably just tweet a lot. I'm just gonna put it out there. I would send very like scathing tweets and see if I can get a response. He chose a different method. We can't go back on that method. And so I would probably vote, uh, that the case is either like, yeah, thrown out, or it would just be a not guilty or like a uh, yeah, there's probably other ones they give you on like that piece of paper. I forget what all of them are from Law and Order. But I'll just be like, yeah, Judge, you know, we we find it, we find the defendant, man, pretty messed up. This was all messed up. So that's how I see it.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  It's gonna be the trial of the century.

• 1:12:01Trevor Noah?

  It really will.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  Let's be honest.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, can you imagine if that kid had Blue Cross Blue Shield?

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Oh wait, that CEO would be like, oh, oh.

• 1:12:14Trevor Noah?

  Oh man.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  You're right, United is terrible. Sign up with Blue Cross Blue Shield this month.

• 1:12:20Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, well, you know what, my friends, these are some of my favorite conversations to have with you because we have no facts.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Just feelings.

• 1:12:28Trevor Noah?

  Just feelings, all speculation. And if you have listened to this entire conversation, remember what I told you at the beginning. None of this is true, none of this is confirmed, none of this is factual. And Josh, Christiana and Trevor do not stand behind anything that Josh, Christiana and Trevor have said. This is our disclaimer. Um, but yeah, thanks for listening.

• 1:13:00Trevor Noah?

  What Now with Trevor Noah is produced by Spotify Studios in partnership with Day Zero Productions. The show is executive produced by Trevor Noah, Sanaz Yamin and Jodi Avigan. Our senior producer is Jess Hackle. Claire Slaughter is our producer. Music, mixing and mastering by Hannes Brown. Thank you so much for listening. Join me next Thursday for another episode of What Now.

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