Giggling about boy moms, being amish, and brazilian waxes

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• 0:00Hannah Berner?

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• 0:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, remember when I told you how excited I was about Lululemon dropping their fall collection on September 8? Well, the collection is finally here and I just got my hands on a few pieces. And let's just say, these will be in my rotation on repeat. I got the Groove Yoga Bra and the High Rise Matching Short. They're so buttery soft. They have laser cut pocket openings for optional and removable cups, which I love that because sometimes I don't want to have a bra insert when I'm working out, but sometimes I do. Performance never compromises style at Lululemon. I love their vintage-inspired styles and everything comes in such an assortment of colors. So if you don't want to stick to black, which is my traditional go-to, you can explore other colors. Like, I love a burgundy workout set.

• 1:26Paige DeSorbo?

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• 1:38Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 1:47Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend, like, doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:55Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:12Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:20Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:25Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:29Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising, and you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing, it's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:50Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly, women deserve.

• 2:55Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 3:01Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety's a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:13Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:14Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:16Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You could check out the full terms in the app.

• 3:28Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:29Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Gary, fix your wifi.

• 3:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Manifest that shit.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  We can't be managed.

• 3:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:50Hannah Berner?

  Okay, we got a recommendation from Paige on this one. Welcome, my Glendale gigglers.

• 3:56Paige DeSorbo?

  It's the home of your people.

• 3:57Hannah Berner?

  My people?

• 3:58Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like an old Kardashian reference. I always forget to sometimes pick up my microphone.

• 4:04Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yep, your little pink microphone. We're back, baby. We got our Dunkin' refreshers.

• 4:09Paige DeSorbo?

  We're back, we're a little late. We had a snowstorm, things were happening. I'd like to jump right in with some things that have annoyed me thus far in my week.

• 4:19Hannah Berner?

  I love this, because literally, when I tell you we've been holding back, the two episodes a week is giving me life. I've never had more shit to say. Get on it.

• 4:28Paige DeSorbo?

  I actually think it's making me more present in my everyday life, because I'm like, I'll be talking to someone, I'll be like, "Sorry, can you repeat that?" Because I'm gonna talk about it on my podcast.

• 4:38Hannah Berner?

  No, the amount of times I don't respond to someone and just start writing in my notes app and they're like, are you okay? I'm like, this is gonna be perfect for something. I can't get into it right now. I'm curating content for the giggers.

• 4:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I also have a small surprise for you, like when we get into it, like not even a surprise, like something I need to read to you. Anyway, first and foremost on my docket.

• 4:57Hannah Berner?

  Like I have a surprise, I can read.

• 5:01Hannah Berner?

  She's like, I figured out a sentence. I sounded out some words and you know it forms a sentence.

• 5:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Somebody said to me the other day, like, oh, the how to giggle book. And I go, the what?

• 5:14Paige DeSorbo?

  They go, the book you wrote. I go, oh, the book my friend wrote, yeah.

• 5:18Hannah Berner?

  You mean last year? You mean last year? I'm talking about 2026, baby. Let's go.

• 5:23Paige DeSorbo?

  That was last fiscal year. I've moved on.

• 5:27Paige DeSorbo?

  My first gripe, because I think it happened like right after we recorded last week. Did you see the live climber?

• 5:36Hannah Berner?

  I, I knew you were gonna say that. Get out of my head. Get out of my head. So I'm with Alec Colbert on the road and we're waiting to go on stage and she goes, oh, this guy's like climbing. And we put it on in the green room. Of course, every girl is just like, go to therapy. Every girl is like, the things men do instead of going to therapy. What were your thoughts?

• 5:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I thought it should be illegal, first of all. I thought this seems like a huge liability for Netflix. They just bought another company? This guy dies, it's all, it's all done.

• 6:13Hannah Berner?

  No, and then at the end, he's just standing on top of it. And I'm like, at any moment, he could sneeze, a bird could hit him in the head. Like, also, if he were to die, I mean, I guess they had like,

• 6:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I guess they'd cut the cameras.

• 6:24Hannah Berner?

  It must have been delayed a little.

• 6:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 6:25Hannah Berner?

  But like, that would have traumatized a generation.

• 6:29Paige DeSorbo?

  When he got to the top, I go, now how's he getting in the building?

• 6:34Hannah Berner?

  That's what I was like, is there a helicopter coming?

• 6:35Paige DeSorbo?

  How's he getting down?

• 6:36Hannah Berner?

  Also, the things men do to not take care of their family, like spend some quality time with your children. And then having his wife watch, like he's at war or something was strange.

• 6:50Paige DeSorbo?

  There are men that will literally throw a fit if their wife goes on like a girls weekend. And this man's like, hey babe, um, so I might die tomorrow. You're good with the kids though, right? Like what the fuck?

• 7:05Hannah Berner?

  I wonder if they asked the wife, like, can you watch? If she was like, no, I have a family to take care of. I can't watch my husband like rock climb.

• 7:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I think there was one like soundbite that she gave that was like, yeah, like he said, he talked about this when we were dating. I didn't think it was serious.

• 7:22Hannah Berner?

  I thought it was a bit.

• 7:23Paige DeSorbo?

  It was a joke. Um, no, the things that men will truly do to not just speak to someone who went to school to become a professional psychiatric helper is crazy.

• 7:37Hannah Berner?

  Like call your mom, call your dad, talk some of these like childhood things through.

• 7:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyone, call, call up your nearest pizza delivery person, have a quick chat and figure it out. I mean, this, I just, I could, I actually was so mad watching it. At one point I, I go, turn it off, turn it off. I hope this guy fucking fall. I was so pissed.

• 8:00Hannah Berner?

  Well, I hate to say it. We have no connection to this man. So I'm like, I don't know who I'm rooting for. Is he, is he the villain? Did he do something wrong and he's trying to escape? Is this Godzilla? Like what are we watching here?

• 8:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the other thing. I felt like a mom because I was like, okay, now if my child turned on Netflix, clicked this, and then all of the sudden thought he could scale our home, I'd be livid. And God forbid the guy fell and my child is sitting there like, huh? Like I just thought it was such a weird.

• 8:32Hannah Berner?

  Are trying to like climb their dresser right now? And it's like this, we don't need this.

• 8:37Paige DeSorbo?

  It was a weird flex on Netflix's part, but like.

• 8:40Hannah Berner?

  It also is annoying me because it did well. So people love fame. So next thing the men are gonna like.

• 8:46Paige DeSorbo?

  It did phenomenally.

• 8:48Hannah Berner?

  There's gonna be weird shit doing like, I'm gonna go underwater for 72 hours. No, like, let's just practice empathy. Let's practice empathy. Love thy neighbor.

• 8:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Let's practice empathy as a country. Let's like, let's calm the fuck down.

• 9:03Hannah Berner?

  Also, you know that when she was first dating him, he was like talking off his ass, like, I love climbing. And she was like, cool. I love a guy with a goal and, you know.

• 9:11Paige DeSorbo?

  A hobby, if you will.

• 9:13Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. Like you see a challenge and you, you, and you know, she was sitting there like, how the fuck did we get here? Like she was thinking about that other guy on Hinge who was like, I'm not really outdoorsy. And at first she thought it was boring. And now she's like, that would have been nice.

• 9:26Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like, I could have been with a shoe salesman. Like, I could have been with someone normal.

• 9:32Hannah Berner?

  Stop pretending you're outdoorsy on these apps. We know you don't like mosquitoes. We know, yeah, you like a sunset. That doesn't mean you want to go camping. Let's just be upfront in the beginning because that could be you. This is a warning.

• 9:45Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what's funny? I was talking to one of my friends the other day and she was like, oh, like, yeah, like, I did the half marathon and then like one of my other friends was there and was like, wow, like, how, how long did you do it? Like, how long was your mile? And she was like, oh, like, I think it was like nine minutes. And I go, guys, you know, I've never ran a mile.

• 10:09Hannah Berner?

  Humble brag.

• 10:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And they looked at me and they go.

• 10:11Hannah Berner?

  If you believe it, you can do it.

• 10:13Paige DeSorbo?

  They go, how? Like, I go, our high school didn't do it. I didn't, I didn't join any organized sports. So who's telling me to run a mile?

• 10:22Hannah Berner?

  I've made you walk a mile before against your will.

• 10:26Paige DeSorbo?

  That's different. You tricked me. I mean, like, I've never gotten dressed and been like, I'm going to run. Watch me run.

• 10:34Hannah Berner?

  Well, famously, running a mile was my most traumatic event in college and I promised not to run a time mile since. And I've been able to do that. So if you guys want hope and you want to look towards, like, something that's motivational and inspiring, Paige and I both haven't run a mile in a long time.

• 10:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Can I guess what your mile was at your height of like your peak athleticism?

• 10:56Hannah Berner?

  Well, this is a sports podcast. Let's go. Don't get me going, girl. This is my shit. Let's go. Wait, I've been waiting my whole life.

• 11:02Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm going to say at your peak, you could run one mile.

• 11:08Hannah Berner?

  Sprint.

• 11:09Paige DeSorbo?

  In like four minutes and 30 seconds.

• 11:11Hannah Berner?

  Okay, that's insane.

• 11:15Hannah Berner?

  Under four minutes is like the best.

• 11:19Hannah Berner?

  The way I love you so much, you're like, well, you're my best friend. You're strong. You're fast. Okay, not to get into my dark past, but after you have tennis season, we all have a summer free. And you can stay at the school and train, but not all of us do.

• 11:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you?

• 11:37Hannah Berner?

  And then I did my first season, like freshman, and then I was, I didn't.

• 11:42Paige DeSorbo?

  That sounds traumatizing.

• 11:43Hannah Berner?

  So when you come back, the coach isn't just like, "Welcome back, guys." He's like, "So what'd you guys do all summer? And are you ready to play?" And we're like, "What do you mean?" And he go, "It's like Survivor." And he's like, "Okay, we're all gonna do the mile test, and if you, if you run, um, more than seven minutes, you're not making the team." So you're immediately up for an elimination.

• 12:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, more than seven minutes?

• 12:08Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, so if you run over seven minutes, you're not qualified for your scholarship.

• 12:14Hannah Berner?

  So my fastest was 6:15, which for like a sprinter, that's pretty good. And famously, my friend was puking in the bathroom after, so I went in, I started puking, and the whole team started puking, and that's a trauma bond that you can never undo. And it's women supporting women, and we all felt so light and skinny afterwards. It was truly amazing. You would have loved it.

• 12:38Paige DeSorbo?

  That I would love, but...

• 12:39Hannah Berner?

  So, yep.

• 12:40Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I can't, I don't ever. That's why like when anyone's ever like, "Oh, my God, you're gonna be on Traitors," or like, "You should do," I'm like, "I'm not running for someone else."

• 12:50Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's my thing, like, I've lived a lot of lives, and I'm like, "I've, I've done this shit." And the amount of messages I got from the last episode of me explaining the nuances of tennis, like, um, rudeness to you, made me realize, like, like, also, I was on a team with seven girls who had to play against each other. Like, this was, this was torture. This was torture, but...

• 13:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Speaking of Traitors, I watched the first episode, well, I fell asleep, but I like started the season. I watched the first episode.

• 13:19Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so much funnier now that I know the Colton lore to go back and like be starting the season, because in the very first episode, he kind of says, here's the thing with, here's my thing with like men that I think...

• 13:37Hannah Berner?

  You are so locked in on Colton. You're like, "You're not getting away from me, bitch."

• 13:40Paige DeSorbo?

  You're not getting away from me, okay? I don't even know Cassie, but I stand with her. Um, here's my one thing that I've learned over my many years of dating. That I used to like overlook in men. This also would, I would say goes for friendships too. If someone has to repeatedly tell you who they are. It's a quick lesson that that is not who they are. Like that's who they want to be and they like probably try and be that version of themselves, but that is not them like. If you're dating a guy and he's like, I'm a really nice guy. I'm just a nice guy.

• 14:20Hannah Berner?

  Good guy. I'm like, no one said you weren't. Why are you saying that to me?

• 14:24Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm just, you know, I'm just stupid. I get myself in these, I, I don't, it's like, no, you're evil. You're manipulative and I've, and I've caught you.

• 14:32Hannah Berner?

  Every guy that says they're a good guy is evil. Continue. Just wanted to mark that.

• 14:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Episode, he's going up to like, find out if he's a traitor or not. And I don't even know what cast member says it like, oh, you're like, you're laughing so much. Like, I wonder what you got, what you are, like traitor or faithful. And he says, I'm just a happy guy. You'll learn that. I'm just, I'm in a good mood. And then in the

• 14:54Hannah Berner?

  That was scary. I actually got chills when he said that. Cause first of all, no one's happy. Let's just get that.

• 15:01Paige DeSorbo?

  No one's happy. You're at work.

• 15:01Hannah Berner?

  Period. No one's happy. You're a fucking liar. You're a fucking liar. No one's been happy in the history of civilization. You're a liar.

• 15:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Then when he goes, everyone says like, how did you like play in the NFL? First of all, you barely played in the NFL. Second, he was like, people think like, oh, I'm so big and mean. How did I hit people? We know, what are you talking about? Yeah. You stalk someone. That's the, I'd rather you be in the NFL, get CTE because you got hit so many times than ever stalk anyone. You literal freak. Anyway, I don't even know if I can continue because he makes me so angry. And here's another thing, and this is the last thing I'll say. You ever like meet a girl and like people will say like this is only a phrase for women because people hate women but

• 15:49Paige DeSorbo?

  where they'll be like she has crazy girl eyes like you ever meet a girl and you're like oh yeah now I usually make that person my best friend because I'm like you're a little bit crazy

• 15:58Hannah Berner?

  I was about to say that's the only people I surround myself with because I'm about to have a good time

• 16:01Paige DeSorbo?

  you're a little bit nuts I'd like to see what you do he has crazy guy eyes like he has the eyes where you're like like you'll slit my throat he's scary anyhow

• 16:16Hannah Berner?

  so I hope you guys are enjoying traitors

• 16:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I hope you guys are loving it also yeah

• 16:19Hannah Berner?

  on a lighter note I we've decided that if you want to name your baby and you're confused you DM page I realize I I've had it maybe once before it's too much responsibility for me like I feel like that's too much of a heavy burden for me to carry

• 16:35Paige DeSorbo?

  yeah I'm gonna be honest the pages though they come pretty they're coming to me with prepared pretty good names I would say there's a handful of times where I'm like I don't

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  we gotta start at the drawing board again

• 16:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know if that's flowing the way you think it's flowing

• 16:58Paige DeSorbo?

  but most

• 16:58Hannah Berner?

  you don't know these people she could be like that was my like dead grandma's name

• 17:03Paige DeSorbo?

  sometimes we'll say in parentheses family name I have to and I'm like okay I feel like a lot of boy moms have in their head who they think their son should end up with and it's this like mythical creature I got hit with this in my like mid twenties it was the first time ever I'd had like a boyfriend where me and the mom didn't like vibe and I feel like my first boyfriend ever his mom set the precedent of like this is how mom should be and they and she was so cool so I never had an issue with moms then I was like 24 25 and I dated this guy and one time we were out to dinner with his family

• 17:44Paige DeSorbo?

  And we had a waitress, like a normal girl waitress, and she would come over to the table and do her job. And the mom looked at my boyfriend and said, "The waitress is stunning, isn't she?" And then like would hit him-

• 17:59Hannah Berner?

  Oh, you almost Teresa Giudice that table.

• 18:02Paige DeSorbo?

  And I remember turning and being like, "What the fuck?" Come to find out, I remember learning that she thought that I like was not good enough for him whatsoever, that she felt like I was like uneducated and I was like, "Wait till I go on a reality show, you stupid bitch."

• 18:21Paige DeSorbo?

  It was like my first time ever seeing a mom hate you just because you're dating their son and it's a slippery slope.

• 18:30Hannah Berner?

  I feel like with moms, there's three different directions. The first one is you meet the mom and you go, "That's why he likes me."

• 18:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 18:37Hannah Berner?

  She's, she's that girl. She's me. I would have been friends with her. We are friends. Actually, I prefer her to him. Actually, me and her are complaining about him. Actually, I like, I love this woman. I will text her after we break up. So you're kind of like, "Oh, I love this because I see what he sees in me because he loves his mom." Two, some guys are trying to break familial trauma where you meet his mom and you realize you're the opposite of his mom and he's rebelling against her to be like, "I don't want this in my life anymore." And you might be more like his dad, I don't know, but he might be trying to break-

• 19:13Paige DeSorbo?

  R.I.P. Dez's mom.

• 19:15Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 19:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you think you're similar to Dez's mom?

• 19:20Hannah Berner?

  Well, I actually think Dez and his mom are very similar and that's why I would have loved her.

• 19:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Got it.

• 19:27Hannah Berner?

  Um, like she is him, like I am like my dad and also, no, I just, all the time, I'm like, "Would she would have loved me?" And he's like, "I don't know." He's like, holds it over my head. He's like, "She wouldn't have liked that you didn't fucking do your bed this morning, I'll tell you that." "She wouldn't have liked you getting all chatty in the whatever." He can use it against me, but um, so then there is the mom. The, yeah, and then lastly, there's the mom who is like-

• 19:58Hannah Berner?

  Just not, like, you don't connect at all and you go, oh, he's chosen wrong. Like, he's picked wrong and like, he's into me for whatever reason, but I'm not his, his end person. Cause like, I don't fit in with this family. But there are so many families that you might not fit in with, but he's like, breaking the cycle of whatever family issues there are. Families are fucking complicated, ala the Beckhams.

• 20:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 20:22Hannah Berner?

  Alas, the Beckhams.

• 20:23Paige DeSorbo?

  It's crazy.

• 20:24Hannah Berner?

  I do wanna say, I got a DM of a gorgeous giggler who had, and I'm in the DMs, you know. Especially on tour. She rescued three kittens. Two were white and one is like, white and black. And she was like, Hannah, what do I name them? Long brainstorming session. We came up with sesame for the black and white one, and then ricotta and coconut.

• 20:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, it sounds like a horrible recipe that would taste disgusting, but cute names.

• 20:56Hannah Berner?

  Like a chopped recipe. Well, this is the thing also, you guys, when you send me your kitten names, I need to know about you. I need to know where you're from, what's about, I can't just give you cute names. I wanted to register.

• 21:07Paige DeSorbo?

  You have to give Hannah like, a little background.

• 21:10Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, cuz I'll go off. I need to know something that connects with you. Also, in my travels, I did something super fucking embarrassing. This girl stops me at the airport, giggler, and has the cutest dog. And as you know, we love dogs if they're cute.

• 21:26Paige DeSorbo?

  If they're cute.

• 21:26Hannah Berner?

  It's like men. If they're cute, I like them. So.

• 21:29Paige DeSorbo?

  If they make me laugh.

• 21:29Hannah Berner?

  The dog.

• 21:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Kind.

• 21:32Hannah Berner?

  The dog has this scarf around its neck. Accessorized, gorgeous. And I go, oh my god. It's this woman, like, a cartoon woman, and I go, is that Judge Judy? Around his neck. I go, that is iconic. And she goes, no, that's Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

• 21:54Hannah Berner?

  It looked like Judge Judy.

• 21:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, you know what? From the side, that side profile.

• 22:01Hannah Berner?

  In a cartoon, I just came in so confident where I was like, fuck yeah, Judge Judy, we love Judge Judy. And I was trying to be cool, like she's having such a fun interaction with me. And she was like, you dumb ass.

• 22:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Read a book.

• 22:12Hannah Berner?

  Like, what kind of feminist icon are you? Read a book? And I was like, love your dog, gotta go.

• 22:17Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:01Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:45Paige DeSorbo?

  They're so cute, and I'm already envisioning my next outfit. Straight leg jeans, an oversized blazer, and a little shoulder bag. Very, I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not. And Hannah is loving hers too. She has the Michaela, which is the Sam Edelman's take on a Mary Jane. And this season... It comes in the chicest leopard, so gorge, so easy, and exactly the kind of shoe that makes an otherwise basic outfit look like you actually tried. And there's so much more coming from Sam Edelman this fall beyond these two, like the new Teigan and Tallulah pumps, plus ready to wear handbags, fragrances, and even a new men's collection. So basically, you can make sure both you and your man are looking good for date night because we're not doing all that getting dressed just to let him show up in a t-shirt.

• 24:28Paige DeSorbo?

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• 26:24Paige DeSorbo?

  So my episode came, episode came out last night.

• 26:27Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 26:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Martha Stewart. She's, she's exactly, she's exactly what you want her to be and what you think she's going to be.

• 26:39Hannah Berner?

  Was she disappointed in you?

• 26:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 26:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 26:44Hannah Berner?

  Like you didn't do anything but like overall where you like.

• 26:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Overall, she was like, you could tighten it up. You could figure it out. Like, I feel like, I feel like she was.

• 26:52Hannah Berner?

  See, I love that.

• 26:53Paige DeSorbo?

  She was like 10 minutes away from being like, I could hang out with you for a week and I'd have your shit all in line. Like, like.

• 27:01Hannah Berner?

  I don't like people that immediately meet you and they're like, I'm obsessed with you. I love you. I'm like, you don't know me, first of all. Second of all, I know there's room for improvement. Give me notes.

• 27:09Paige DeSorbo?

  She was this close to looking at me and being like, why am I here? And I felt it and I was like, and I stand with you.

• 27:17Hannah Berner?

  In her documentary, her parents were really critical of her and she's very critical, but that's why she's so successful in what she does.

• 27:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I actually was so in awe of her because

• 27:31Paige DeSorbo?

  she's just like, she's a legitimate entrepreneur, powerhouse of a woman. Like she walks into a room and everyone straightens up. I've never been on an Amazon set where things have run as smoothly as they did the day Martha Stewart was there. I was like.

• 27:48Hannah Berner?

  You go, oh, so you guys are capable.

• 27:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, guys, whoa. Like people were running down the hall. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. They're like, do you want lunch? I'm like, when do we, when do we get lunch all of a sudden?

• 28:01Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm kidding.

• 28:02Hannah Berner?

  They gave you frise with frittatas?

• 28:05Paige DeSorbo?

  They were like, we have caviar in the break room. I'm like, what? No.

• 28:12Hannah Berner?

  There's, there's Danish scones being prepared right out of the oven.

• 28:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I was so nervous to do it. And then what I didn't anticipate what, because like obviously in the middle of the pages, like it's fun, it's cheeky. Like we're not, I'm not asking like hard hitting questions by any means. But I wasn't anticipating her asking me things back, like questions back. So there was this moment where I was

• 28:38Hannah Berner?

  Wait, she loved you. She loved you.

• 28:40Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know.

• 28:41Hannah Berner?

  That means she loved you. Or she was just interrogating you.

• 28:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I think she was just like, where I'm here to do a job, let's do the job, like goodbye.

• 28:48Hannah Berner?

  Or she's like, who am I in bed with right now? No one told me.

• 28:51Paige DeSorbo?

  So there was this moment where I was like asking her about like sheets and like, I was like, how often do you

• 28:58Hannah Berner?

  As one does.

• 28:59Paige DeSorbo?

  How often do you change your sheets? And she was like, well, first of all, I don't change my own sheets, you actual nimrod. She was like, well, my housekeeper changes them every two to three days. And I was like, oh my God, that's a lot. And then she like turns and is like, well, how often are you changing your sheets? And I was like very, I was very confident with my answer. I was like, well, I do it once a week. And she was, it was as if I had leprosy, like I was the most contagious, I was patient zero. She was like, once a week, once a week.

• 29:34Hannah Berner?

  This is so good, because the way Martha would have hated me.

• 29:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait till you get a load of my best friend.

• 29:41Hannah Berner?

  You go, wait till I got a Make-A-Wish project next. She'll be going through. Wait, once a week is like

• 29:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I thought good.

• 29:47Hannah Berner?

  Overboard. It's overboard.

• 29:49Paige DeSorbo?

  She looks at me and she goes, you're rich enough to have your housekeeper? Because then she was like, you're, I go, my housekeeper comes once every two weeks to do like a deep clean.

• 29:58Hannah Berner?

  Also, housekeeper is a strong word. We have apartments.

• 30:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I have crown molding, Hannah. She goes, you're rich enough to have your housekeeper come once a week. Like, I literally feel like she looked at me and was like, you're dirty. You're dirty. But it was phenomenal.

• 30:15Hannah Berner?

  That's good, but for you need to every now and then have someone, you know,

• 30:20Paige DeSorbo?

  She insulted me no less than four times. And she was right. Like every time I was like,

• 30:24Hannah Berner?

  As she should.

• 30:25Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you're right. No, you're right.

• 30:26Hannah Berner?

  Oh, it's giving, it's giving like gymnastics coach. Like I'm obsessed with that energy. And also like, maybe you do, you're ready to step up. Like you're not the Paige in her twenties. Let's Martha Stewart this shit.

• 30:37Paige DeSorbo?

  One of my biggest revelations though, I was like, oh my God, I can't wait to hear her answer. I was like, when you want to like order food and not cook, like what are you ordering? She goes, I, I've never done that. I go Friday night, you've never ordered a pizza. She goes, why would I, why would I order pizza? And I just was, I was so flabbergasted. I couldn't even get through it because I couldn't.

• 31:02Hannah Berner?

  Have you read one of my books?

• 31:04Paige DeSorbo?

  She was like, I have an insane garden. If I want a pizza, I'll make a pizza. Anywho, she's my lifeline.

• 31:11Hannah Berner?

  Paige, try to be Martha Stewart.

• 31:13Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I'm obsessed with her. Like, the attention she commands when she walks into a room and like the level of detail that she's like, no, do it. I'm like, yeah, I'm obsessed.

• 31:28Hannah Berner?

  Can I also say, when I meet an iconic person like that and they are good at listening and they ask me questions, they're always the best people because so many people just talk at you, especially in like the entertainment industry. So when you're talking to someone who you know, they don't even need to be there. And they take the time to hear what you're saying. I'm like, oh, they're smart. Like they're still learning at whatever age they're at. They're, they want to know what the kids are doing. They want to learn about different industries. So anyway, Martha, shout out to you. We love you.

• 31:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I wanted to bring up when she said that that woman died, the journalist, but she's not in fact dead. She's just dead to Martha. Like I wanted to bring that up, but I was just like, I don't know if I should, like I'm not at that level with you yet, but like, I think about it at least once a week.

• 32:15Hannah Berner?

  That's the problem with like as a comic interviewing really famous people because one wrong question and the PR is like, and you're done. We'll never talk to you again. So it's this like thin line.

• 32:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you want to know where I've been bombing recently? Bombing?

• 32:31Hannah Berner?

  What?

• 32:31Paige DeSorbo?

  The elevator. And usually I could do a quick elevator joke to anyone.

• 32:38Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. And then you leave on a high note. You don't have a follow up.

• 32:41Paige DeSorbo?

  You leave on a high.

• 32:42Hannah Berner?

  Babe. You need to.

• 32:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know.

• 32:47Hannah Berner?

  We need new material. We need to do a writer's room.

• 32:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Everyone's, now look, I got into an elevator the other day. Man standing there had a dog. Okay. Woman walks into the elevator. She also has a dog. I'm not even in the convo. Woman says to the man, so cute. He goes, thank you. I go, she was talking to the dog. They both looked.

• 33:10Paige DeSorbo?

  I go, "Sorry, this is my floor." I was mortified. I was like, "Guys, laugh at Spawnee." Have a little giggle.

• 33:18Hannah Berner?

  That's when you go, "Tough crowd, okay, have a good night, I'm here till Wednesday, get out of there."

• 33:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I've crossed the line, my apologies.

• 33:24Hannah Berner?

  That was, that was kind of highbrow humor. It was quick, it was a misdirection, and a little dad jokey. I thought you were gonna say, I thought you were gonna say, "Thanks, too." Oh, you're talking about the dog. See, that's a do- I, see, that was just bad audience.

• 33:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I was like, "I'm doing elevator ju- like, guys, you know?" Anyway.

• 33:44Hannah Berner?

  I have such a wide range of personality in elevators. I'm either like, deathly anxious, staring forward, and like, people, everyone seems like they're staring too close to you, and you're just like, "This is the most awkward thing I've ever done in my life." Or I'm with my friend, like, so passionate about a conversation, I'm not even aware there's people around, and I'm like, "Yeah, cuz Paige get yeast, Paige gets yeast infections if she has, like, anxiety, if she's overworking herself," which like, I've had too. When you overwork yourself, it comes out through your body and it can be your vulva. And, and then there's the like, someone tries to laugh with me and I'm not really in the mood, but I'm like, good enough to be like, "Okay, we'll have a little back and forth, but like, let's not make this a daily thing," you know?

• 34:27Hannah Berner?

  I haven't brought it up in a long time, but I, I just feel like the gigglers need to know my recent experience. I have a grandpa story.

• 34:39Paige DeSorbo?

  We were having such a nice time, and now you're gonna cry.

• 34:44Hannah Berner?

  But like, I did eight cities in 11 days. I'm tired. And I was in Seattle the last night, and I get to the hotel, and when I tell you, I put the TV on blasting, immediately passed out. Thank God I set an alarm at like, to wake up. I wake up and I have all these missed calls from my husband, which...

• 35:03Paige DeSorbo?

  That's terrifying.

• 35:05Hannah Berner?

  I don't know, I was like, he's, he was probably like-

• 35:08Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, "Oh, I guess the ketchup's missing again."

• 35:12Hannah Berner?

  Whenever I see you, you're just like, yeah, he's, something's going on over there, but it's definitely not important. He also, he's so cute. He like is afraid that I will oversleep for a show, which knock on woods never happen. So every now and then he'll call me, I'm like, what's up? And he's like, are you getting ready yet? And I'm like, okay.

• 35:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 35:28Hannah Berner?

  I've gotten this far.

• 35:29Paige DeSorbo?

  He's like, are you on your bronzer stuff yet?

• 35:32Hannah Berner?

  So I call him, he's like, are you using primer? I'm like, you know, I don't use primer.

• 35:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you not use primer?

• 35:37Hannah Berner?

  I mean, I put moisturizer on.

• 35:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Gotta get the Milk Grip Primer. It's truly the best.

• 35:43Hannah Berner?

  Is that the green one?

• 35:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, it's in like a iridescany. It's the best primer I've ever used.

• 35:48Hannah Berner?

  I don't want to go anywhere that my makeup needs to last more than two hours. If that's the case, like, I shouldn't be there.

• 35:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, but Hannah, you are oily and you, of anyone, you should be using a primer. And that's for when you told me, and that's for when you told me that I would use any trend.

• 36:06Hannah Berner?

  Okay, that video, there was the funniest comment. Someone goes, only your worst enemy or your best friend could say this. And that's what Giggly Squad is. Only your worst enemy or your literal sister could say this to you. And you also, you got shot and then you said, but thank you for that wound because I've grown from it. I've been maimed, but not killed. Thank you.

• 36:31Paige DeSorbo?

  What? I've been what? I've been maimed?

• 36:34Hannah Berner?

  Maimed means like you're hurt, but you're still alive.

• 36:37Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm stealing that. That's exactly how I felt. I've been maimed, but I'm not killed. Okay, keep going.

• 36:43Hannah Berner?

  So I call Dez back and he's like, what have you been doing? And I'm like, mom is sleeping, mom is working, mom is busy. And he's like, well, I've been at a social gathering and there's an older man here who says he knew Jerry Burner. And I said, babe, I have to get ready in 10 minutes for a show. I can't do this. He goes, please, just get on the phone with this guy. And the guy's like, hello?

• 37:07Hannah Berner?

  He goes, I

• 37:08Paige DeSorbo?

  The situations you find yourself in are truly remarkable.

• 37:13Hannah Berner?

  He goes, I, I coached basketball in Brooklyn and I battled, you know, a lot of, you know, I was a social rights activist and your grandpa was at the top of it and he changed me as a person and he's the greatest guy I ever met. And I love Jerry so much and I, I can't believe I'm talking to his granddaughter.

• 37:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Now you're fully sobbing.

• 37:32Hannah Berner?

  Sobbing, sobbing, a sweet old man telling me how my grandpa was such a great person. Cause sometimes I'll tell myself, like, you're literally making him to be bigger than he is. Like, he was a normal guy, like, stop being sad about it. And now I'm like, no, he was literally my everything. And then I'm like, did you, do you know I'm his favorite? I'm his favorite. And he's like, that's not important. I'm just telling you my experience.

• 37:51Paige DeSorbo?

  How did, does even happen upon this convo?

• 37:56Hannah Berner?

  Well, he's with a bunch of like old guys as they do, they find each other. And the guy was just saying, like, I used to coach basketball in Brooklyn. He's like, do you know this guy, Jerry Burner?

• 38:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god.

• 38:06Hannah Berner?

  Jerry Burn, like, it's so crazy. The world can be so small. So, mind you, it's 5:45. I take 20 minutes to do my makeup. When you guys see me walk out on stage, I'd been sleeping about 35 minutes before that. And when I got on stage, that's my prime time.

• 38:22Paige DeSorbo?

  That's the first time you've spoken.

• 38:24Hannah Berner?

  I'm ready to fucking go. But, so 5:45, I'm sobbing. And not like a, a beautiful one tear, like Kim Kardashian crying. Like, I'm like, heaving, every memory's coming back. Cause you know, I've been suppressing it for a while. Cause everyone told me to stop crying over it, which was valid. But I've been holding it down. I also haven't talked to a psychic recently. So I'm like, this is my grandpa talking through this guy to be like, Hen, I love you and I miss you. And don't forget that I'm that bitch. And maybe he didn't like that I talked about Nana so much on the last pod. And he's like, okay, remember, like, me too. I don't know.

• 38:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I feel like you can like truly ask the universe for like signs, like, like, I really feel like you could be like, grandpa, give me a sign. And it has to be like so specific and like things like that happen.

• 39:06Hannah Berner?

  Oh, so I'm sobbing. I'm sweating because I just woke up from a like four hour nap. There's lines on my face. I actually fell asleep with a bun, which you know is a bad idea because then it's all cramped and crazy. The car is picking me up in twenty minutes.

• 39:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Wow, you never put your hair in a bun.

• 39:21Hannah Berner?

  No, something was going on. Oh, because I put a mask on.

• 39:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I do you know that like I don't think I've ever seen you like in a bun?

• 39:27Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 39:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Like you only do a ponytail. Even to sleep, you're either hair down. You're actually, when you sleep, you're always hair down, which is another crazy.

• 39:36Hannah Berner?

  I'll do messy bun if I'm hot, but I'm not committing to it. Like, I'll take it out real quick.

• 39:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I've seen you when you're hot. And I've never seen a messy bun. I've liter- here's, wait, this is crazy. I don't even know how you do your messy buns. Like, I don't know the way your wrist goes. Like, I couldn't recreate it.

• 39:57Hannah Berner?

  You're like, I don't know who you are and everything's been a lie up until this point.

• 40:01Paige DeSorbo?

  And now that I'm thinking, I've really, you only ever do a ponytail if you're like hot.

• 40:07Hannah Berner?

  I do love a ponytail. It's because, you guys, I love myself so much. One note, don't love the shape of my face.

• 40:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I love everything about myself, except my general personality.

• 40:22Hannah Berner?

  How I look? So when I put it in a bun, I feel like everyone's like, whoa, there's her head. Like, it's just too much head and face. That's why like I don't do a fucking slick back bun. I do a slick back pony.

• 40:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 40:35Hannah Berner?

  Like, no. But like, everyone has their thing.

• 40:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you have a claw clip? You could start claw clipping.

• 40:44Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, except I like to lay down. I like to sit and claw clips are not good. I know there's something going around like claw clip for girls. Again, I support women's arts. I can't. It's like a thing where like, you can like put your head back with the clip, but again, I digress. Also, people don't talk about what best friends do. Like, they say, oh, when you're having multiple conversations on different apps. People don't talk about when you're having multiple conversations on the same text chain where you're literally like both answering multiple things at the same, you know what I mean? Where you answer one story, continue telling another story, tell a new topic, and the person's also responding. Like, that's my flow state.

• 41:21Paige DeSorbo?

  And men think we can't run the country. I just had seven conversations in one.

• 41:27Hannah Berner?

  In one and like we are, we are knocking it out. So yeah, that is my prime time flow state.

• 41:33Paige DeSorbo?

  I do want to say one thing because I just like, I feel different. I feel better than people. I feel like, I've been reading my book. And when I say reading,

• 41:44Hannah Berner?

  What page are you on?

• 41:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm on like a hundred and thirty.

• 41:46Hannah Berner?

  Have you been reading it the right side up?

• 41:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I've been reading it while simultaneously comprehending it.

• 41:55Hannah Berner?

  Are you highlighting?

• 41:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm not highlighting because I'm like, I'm not crazy.

• 41:58Hannah Berner?

  When are you reading? Like what part of the day?

• 42:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, I'm gonna tell you. So like this morning I woke up like early, like six forty-five, seven AM and I'm like, okay, I'm not getting out of bed. And typically I'll go on TikTok, like I'll scroll, I'll like look at my apps, look at my email. I like read for like twenty minutes in the morning. And then like before bed, like instead of scrolling TikTok, I'll like read, get really sleepy and then like throw something on the TV and then like immediately fall asleep. And I'm like, I have a frontal lobe and she's there. She's.

• 42:33Hannah Berner?

  Do you know what that's called? Amish.

• 42:37Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so crazy. You just,

• 42:39Hannah Berner?

  Fully Amish.

• 42:40Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so crazy. You just said that. The show I put on last night was called Suddenly Amish.

• 42:46Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, and you're about to get cast.

• 42:48Paige DeSorbo?

  It's on HBO and it's normal people thinking maybe they want to be Amish, so they go test it out. We're so alive.

• 42:57Hannah Berner?

  Wait, that's genius. That's so funny.

• 43:00Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so scary.

• 43:01Hannah Berner?

  No, because I was honestly like Amishness, Amishia, what do they call it? Amish, Amish. I'm in, whatever. It's, I'm into it. They're on to something.

• 43:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, they said that their people are.

• 43:15Hannah Berner?

  Besides like,

• 43:15Paige DeSorbo?

  The young.

• 43:16Hannah Berner?

  I have a couple of notes.

• 43:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Small, small notes. The younger generations are, are leaving the Amish community and so they're really dwindling and so they're trying.

• 43:24Hannah Berner?

  Because do you understand what like a discussion would be when you're Amish? They'll be like, oh, like, well, first of all, I don't know if they know celebrities, but they'll be like, how much milk should we put in this recipe? And they're like, Google it. And they're like, we can't. And then like, you just can't Google things like that.

• 43:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, they don't have electricity.

• 43:40Hannah Berner?

  They have to do candles.

• 43:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't even think they have running water.

• 43:43Hannah Berner?

  They don't even have scented candles. Maybe they do have scented candles.

• 43:46Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm sure they, I'm sure they've mixed something up.

• 43:48Hannah Berner?

  Lavender. They mix something, yeah.

• 43:51Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what I would be interested in, um, like their hair care? Because they've got such long hair, like Transom should really.

• 44:02Hannah Berner?

  Wait, you're so right. No breakage.

• 44:04Paige DeSorbo?

  No breakage.

• 44:06Hannah Berner?

  And they're going in braids, too.

• 44:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like what shampoo and conditioner?

• 44:09Hannah Berner?

  Probably no heat. They're not using a lot of heat. They're not Dyson air wrapping.

• 44:13Paige DeSorbo?

  They don't even know what that is.

• 44:15Hannah Berner?

  I wonder what they do for like face masks at night. They probably use banana.

• 44:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Do they even know that face masking is a thing? No, some of them have phones and I feel like some of them are on TikTok.

• 44:25Hannah Berner?

  There is one Amish girl that I always get tagged with because people say we look alike, so. Honestly, we do. It's pretty iconic.

• 44:33Paige DeSorbo?

  For the longest, and I mean, like probably till I was in high school. I thought Amish and Mormon, same thing. And I mean, it's like.

• 44:40Hannah Berner?

  I mean, there's a Venn diagram.

• 44:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there definitely is.

• 44:43Hannah Berner?

  There's a Venn diagram. They would, if they would like each other more than they would like, like us, I would say.

• 44:48Paige DeSorbo?

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• 46:18Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:33Hannah Berner?

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• 49:14Hannah Berner?

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• 49:29Hannah Berner?

  I feel like this is the part of the episode where we always talk, like people say we're not organized, but we're actually super organized. It's just like organized chaos. This is when I bring up my one inappropriate like poop fart story.

• 49:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like something that you did in public that like should be illegal.

• 49:44Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, let's not to brag, but I found the one place I don't fart.

• 49:50Paige DeSorbo?

  This seems like a riddle. The one,

• 49:54Paige DeSorbo?

  the one, can you identify the one place that Hannah Berner doesn't fart?

• 50:00Hannah Berner?

  Like that I'm like, this is actually inappropriate and I'm gonna hold it in.

• 50:03Paige DeSorbo?

  You're gonna hold it in. Okay.

• 50:05Hannah Berner?

  Not sex.

• 50:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Church? But I'm like, you haven't gone to church. The doctor's office? No, you'd let it rip.

• 50:14Hannah Berner?

  Definitely. It's a, it's fucking, I'm like, is that normal? Is that normal?

• 50:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I need to think. Wait, I really, on a plane, no, you're

• 50:23Hannah Berner?

  Wait, no. Cause the plane, you could get away with it so easy.

• 50:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, that was crazy.

• 50:28Hannah Berner?

  Wait, this is actually so you-coded. Okay, I'm gonna give you a clue.

• 50:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 50:32Hannah Berner?

  The Kardashians talk about it. It's something you love to do.

• 50:36Paige DeSorbo?

  The Kardashians talk about it. It's something I love to do.

• 50:42Hannah Berner?

  Like, I hate it, and you're like,

• 50:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Glam?

• 50:45Hannah Berner?

  I would do it all the time.

• 50:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Glam, in the glam chair.

• 50:48Hannah Berner?

  Now, I'm gonna explain, you guys, what a glam chair is. You sit down in a bunch of-

• 50:53Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what a goddamn chair is?

• 50:55Hannah Berner?

  No, but like, you sit down and a lot of strangers surround you, like, it's a makeup artist, they're, they are on you. Like, there's no space, and you're sitting, and if you even like move a little bit, it could throw them, like, you have to sit still. The makeup chair is the one place where I will hold my fart until the end, they leave, and then I like, my body's like in turmoil. Because there's no, if it comes out wrong, like, that's a,

• 51:24Hannah Berner?

  that's like,

• 51:25Paige DeSorbo?

  It's mean.

• 51:25Hannah Berner?

  Everyone's going down at the ship. It's mean, they're trying to do their job, you can't blame it on one of them, there's only three of you there.

• 51:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Waterboarding, honestly. With air.

• 51:37Hannah Berner?

  And there's, they don't wanna be there. No, but if I were to fart and it smelled, or like they heard it, I'd just sit with them for another hour.

• 51:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Remember the girl that was selling her farts? Do you remember?

• 51:48Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 51:49Paige DeSorbo?

  What a time to be alive.

• 51:50Hannah Berner?

  She also was lying a little bit. Also, do you know where I'll fart? This is so fucked up, and like, people might never look at me the same again.

• 51:57Paige DeSorbo?

  We're past that.

• 51:58Hannah Berner?

  I'll fart in an elevator. I'll fart in an elevator, I don't care. Cause I believe karma, karma works in mysterious ways, and there's some people, you ever walked through an elevator and it smells like shit? You deserved it. You deserved it. That's just me passing it on.

• 52:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, speaking of glam, I'm actually having like a real serious crisis.

• 52:16Hannah Berner?

  Oh my, oh no.

• 52:17Paige DeSorbo?

  So I had to do something for a hair brand the other day, and I don't dye my hair, so, they were like, oh, she has like a couple grays, and Mitchell was like, no problem, I'll like throw a little, I'll throw a little glaze on. The glaze was the wrong color, okay? So the, wait till you see me in person tomorrow. It's not even doing it justice on here because we're virtual. The top layer, Hannah, of my hair is black.

• 52:46Paige DeSorbo?

  I've been washing my hair multiple times a night with baking soda trying to get it to I'm I think you think I'm exact.

• 52:54Hannah Berner?

  That's so Amish of you.

• 52:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I have black hair. I have black hair on the top and then the.

• 53:00Hannah Berner?

  Wait, why couldn't he just like put some powder on top of it?

• 53:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Because they were like long. He was like, oh yeah, I'll just like throw. And so I texted him and I was like, hey, we need to fix my glaze. I'm freaking. I I look I look insane. And no shade to anyone who dyes their hair black, but if you dye your hair black, what is your actual problem?

• 53:22Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's it's giving like, um, the Addams Family, I guess.

• 53:27Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what I thought? I was like, I felt in the mirror. I was like, I look old. Like I I felt like it aged me. And now I'm like, oh, now I understand why older women like do tend to go lighter, like in their hair color.

• 53:43Hannah Berner?

  Say blue. They're like, give me a light purple. Let's go.

• 53:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Because I'm like, I look so harsh. And like, and I love my color brown. That's why I literally don't dye it. And so now I.

• 53:55Hannah Berner?

  It is crazy how like a guy could never tell the like slight hue of change.

• 54:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I've tried to show it.

• 54:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I've tried to show what I mean eight thousand times. I'm like, no. Open your eyes and look at this.

• 54:13Hannah Berner?

  You got hair. You're having a full mental breakdown.

• 54:16Paige DeSorbo?

  It looks good. That's your hair. I go, it's not my. This is not my hair, actually. This is not my color hair.

• 54:23Hannah Berner?

  Well, you know what this is? This is karma because our second season of reality TV, I started sprouting grays and Paige took it upon herself to mama monkey me. And at the pool, sit on top of me and yank out with a tweezer every single gray hair, which is apparently rule number one with grays. Don't do that. But and I knew that in my heart of hearts. I was like, definitely not supposed to do that. But my best friend was having so much fun in that moment. I was like, let her come.

• 54:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I love grooming other people. That's why I.

• 54:56Hannah Berner?

  You were like

• 54:56Paige DeSorbo?

  That's why I've dated, I've dated so many male projects, cuz I'm like, oh, give me fifteen minutes with you and I'll just

• 55:04Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, if I just pop a couple pimples, it's go time. I also discovered something I've never done before. I don't know how I'm thirty-four and I haven't done this before, but you know that you, if you're in a rush and you're really greasy and cuz you haven't washed your hair in a bit, that you could just wash the, the front of your hair?

• 55:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I have bangs, so I've done that before. But just like the crown.

• 55:28Hannah Berner?

  I think it's called a hooker shower.

• 55:29Paige DeSorbo?

  What's it called?

• 55:30Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you, a hooker shower. So I could be making that up.

• 55:34Paige DeSorbo?

  No, a hooker shower is when you, um.

• 55:38Hannah Berner?

  Just do your armpits?

• 55:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I thought it was like you just shave.

• 55:41Hannah Berner?

  You go, I know this. I did this in my twenties.

• 55:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I thought it was like you just shave your vagina and then like use perfume.

• 55:48Hannah Berner?

  Oh, that makes sense too. But yeah, you put your hair in a bun, but then you take out the front like you're about to do a, um, a slick back and then you just do full shampoo, conditioner and it was incredible cuz yeah, like life has changed for me. I think I could beat the patriarchy now.

• 56:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, God. This is actually something that my friend Stephanie was like, I can't believe you've never said this on the podcast cuz she was shocked when I said this to her. She was like, I think you're duping everyone. She had said something and I was like, oh, I have to shave my vagina. And she was like, why would you have to shave your vagina? And I'm like, what do you, what do you mean? Like, I don't wanna have a bush. And she was like, why don't you have your vagina lasered? You've lasered everything else ever. And I would like to say, I've never once had a Brazilian wax. I've never had my vagina lasered.

• 56:55Paige DeSorbo?

  And I think everyone thinks that that's so not page coded.

• 57:00Hannah Berner?

  Well, why did you stop there?

• 57:04Hannah Berner?

  At that point, just like, they're already doing it, like, what?

• 57:07Paige DeSorbo?

  She said the same thing. She was like, but you've gotten your bikini line lasered. And I'm like, yeah, and I've had it waxed before. And she was like, so why did you stop there? And I said, I don't know. She was like, you go to the gynecologist, you spread wide open, like, what is the difference between getting it lasered? And I, it's something in me that-

• 57:30Hannah Berner?

  You're like shy?

• 57:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't get on all fours and have this woman look inside my vagina, in my asshole?

• 57:39Hannah Berner?

  Inside your soul?

• 57:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like, there's just something about it where I'm like, I don't want-

• 57:44Hannah Berner?

  So you don't have your butthole lasered?

• 57:45Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I

• 57:48Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 57:48Hannah Berner?

  That's literally all I laser. I only laser my butthole. They come in and I'm like-

• 57:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I truly, I'm not kidding, I shave my vagina. Not every day, because that would be insane, but like, every time I know I'm having sex, like, I shave my vagina.

• 58:03Hannah Berner?

  People do use, like, um, a trimmer, which-

• 58:06Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm bald.

• 58:07Hannah Berner?

  We didn't do back in the day. Oh, okay.

• 58:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, okay.

• 58:12Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 58:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, didn't mean to get so aggressive.

• 58:18Hannah Berner?

  I love how, if people, we start really light, and then if you make it to the end of the episode, you're like, "Yeah, I don't have hair in my labia."

• 58:28Paige DeSorbo?

  She, she was shook. She like, literally did hang up.

• 58:31Hannah Berner?

  People don't talk about, I have hair inside my labia. Majora, not menorah. Google it. So like, when they laser, they have to like-

• 58:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Open a flap?

• 58:45Hannah Berner?

  Open it up. Yeah, they open it up and they're turning pages.

• 58:53Hannah Berner?

  And like, at some point, I'm like, no one's even gonna see this. Like, you, my husband's never even seen this area that you're in in my vagina right now. But like, it's sensitive. It's sensitive.

• 59:04Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm just like, I guess, do you wanna know probably what it was, is like, the-

• 59:09Hannah Berner?

  Aren't bushes bad?

• 59:10Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know. But like, the first time I ever, like, shaved my vagina, like, I didn't wanna tell my mom, like, I shaved my vagina. I don't know why.

• 59:19Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, cuz it means you're like, becoming a woman and it's weird.

• 59:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, so just like, ever since then, I've just like, kept it to myself.

• 59:28Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god, you never had talked to anyone about it. You're like, let's wait to talk to all the gigglers. That'll be more comfortable for me.

• 59:33Paige DeSorbo?

  But now I'm like, I mean, I guess I should just like go get it lasered, but it's such a commitment. But you don't have to worry about the sun if it's just your vagina, which is the upside.

• 59:45Hannah Berner?

  We, yeah, we are in an industry full of a lot of like gays and girls and we do a lot of like trying on clothes.

• 59:51Paige DeSorbo?

  No, like and like hip hop. Like I know they're not gonna like run around and be like, I know Paige's vagina looks like, but it's.

• 59:57Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 59:58Paige DeSorbo?

  It's just such an intimate moment.

• 1:00:01Hannah Berner?

  No, you're so right. But do you feel like with other stuff, not your vagina, but like, cause we do so much fashion stuff? We are so easy to take our shirts off with strangers.

• 1:00:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah.

• 1:00:12Hannah Berner?

  Which is not normal, by the way.

• 1:00:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I actually like, I think I offended someone the other day. I was on. I'm not kidding. I was on set.

• 1:00:21Hannah Berner?

  You're gonna, I'm gonna report this.

• 1:00:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, actually, like if there was HR.

• 1:00:25Hannah Berner?

  You're on a list.

• 1:00:25Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm on some type of list. I was on a set and they were like, hey, we're gonna have to mic you up. And I had a dress on that had a slit. And so I hiked the slit up, cause they were like, we have to put a thigh strap on. So I hiked the slit up and the guy was like, oh, uh. And I go, I'm from reality TV. I don't give a shit. Like.

• 1:00:48Hannah Berner?

  It's the thing, we are, we are desensitized. It shouldn't be like that. But like, like we used to change our clothes. And with like cameras around, you don't know who's watching, but you're just at the point where you're like, whatever. I don't give a fuck. Like, I'm so tired. I'm not gonna go into the other room to take my shirt off, like whatever.

• 1:01:07Paige DeSorbo?

  You were on a sports team of all women. I went to an all-girls high school. Like, if you're getting, like, we were getting undressed, like.

• 1:01:13Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. I recently was in a place though where like, I was wearing a bra and they wanted to steam my shirt, cause I don't show up anywhere professionally. And there was like five women there, but I like, obviously I just met them when I walked in and they were like, we can all leave. And I'm like, no one's leaving. I'm wearing a sports bra. Like, no. But then I realized, maybe they feel uncomfortable.

• 1:01:35Paige DeSorbo?

  The other day I got a massage and she came to my apartment and she's talking to me and she's like, okay, and then we'll do this and this. And I just started taking my pants off.

• 1:01:44Paige DeSorbo?

  And she goes, okay, I'll step in the bathroom and give you a minute. I go, it's fine. Let's just get in there. I'm like, these are my tits and here we go.

• 1:01:53Hannah Berner?

  But then part of it is like have we just become confident where it's like this is our body? We're not like sexualizing it all the time.

• 1:01:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I guess I feel like.

• 1:02:00Hannah Berner?

  I'm an artist.

• 1:02:01Paige DeSorbo?

  When it's a girl and I'm in that type of situation, I'm like, okay, whatever. Like you have a vagina, I have a vagina. When it's at a work thing, I feel like this is gonna get faster. I'm not embarrassed if you see my underwear. You know I have underwear. Like you know I have a vagina.

• 1:02:17Hannah Berner?

  We have a weird fucking job.

• 1:02:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Hannah Berner?

  Like, most people's jobs aren't like, can you just walk around in your underwear for 10 minutes? While we figure out what you're gonna wear? And can you talk to people that you've just met five seconds ago? Like our comfortability factor of you walk in a room, there's people working on a project you've never met? And you're just like tits out. It's wild, but I'm proud of us.

• 1:02:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, I'm proud of us too. We don't have like body dysmorphia. So that's good.

• 1:02:44Hannah Berner?

  People are like, how do you talk for an hour about nothing? And I'm like, it's easy compared to just showing your tits to strangers all the time. I probably, my mom's gonna call me after this and be like, hey, um, what, what do you do for a living?

• 1:02:58Paige DeSorbo?

  My mom's gonna call me and be like, hair should be on your vagina because it stops bacteria from getting in there. Maybe that's why you're getting so many UTIs because you don't have any hair on your vagina. She said it to me before, okay?

• 1:03:11Hannah Berner?

  It's like eyelashes.

• 1:03:13Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like eyelashes and nose hair, she said. She was like, they're supposed to be hair. I'm like, okay, well, I'm from the 90s, so I can't.

• 1:03:23Paige DeSorbo?

  You know? Anywho.

• 1:03:25Hannah Berner?

  Well, Gigglers, we love you so, so much and thank you for giggling with us.

• 1:03:31Paige DeSorbo?

  And thank God for my Dunkin' refresher because I don't think I would have gotten to the vagina story without it.

• 1:03:39Hannah Berner?

  Wait, are you drinking a mango pineapple?

• 1:03:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I am, and we never get the same thing.

• 1:03:44Hannah Berner?

  I know, look at us, twinsies, it's so good.

• 1:03:47Paige DeSorbo?

  And we did that like without even knowing.

• 1:03:51Hannah Berner?

  Simpatico.

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