Sonia Choquette: “I’m having telepathic experiences!” Listen to your intuition

What would you do if you weren’t afraid? That’s the question spiritual teacher and intuitive guide Sonia Choquette wants you to think about. In this chat with Fearne, Sonia explains how to have more agency over your own mindset. It’s time to stop thinking the worst, and start expecting the best! Sonia talks through how neuroscience is showing that our guts, skins, and organs are all conscious entities. Once we understand this, we understand why it’s so vital not to surpress our body’s intuition. Do you have repeated physical ailments? Sonia wonders that tending to your emotional troubles could dramatically impact your physical health. Plus, laughter can put you firmly back in your physical body, so is the secret to stopping overthinking to start taking the mick out of your anxious thoughts...? Sonia’s book, Soul Mastery, is out now. Follow Sonia on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/soniachoquette/. If you liked this episode of Happy Place, you might also like: Sonia’s first Happy Place episode https://pod.fo/e/13374c Estelle Bingham https://pod.fo/e/2c3bf2 Natalie Lue https://pod.fo/e/2e61b9 Child on the line is a three-part documentary podcast series celebrating the Volunteer Counsellors of Childline, and the brave children & young people who contact the helpline service. Listen here: https://www.childonthelinepodcast.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:28Fearne Cotton?

  Hello, I'm Fern Cotton and this is Happy Place, the show that encourages you to get into your body and spirit to calm anxieties. Today, I'm chatting to Sonia Shaket.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  So when you're asking yourself to change a belief, your basically uninformed responses, that's like cutting off my arm. What we haven't shifted is the basic understanding that I am not a robot that's programmed. I am a spiritual being. And in current time, I have the power to choose differently if I'm willing. And I have to then take myself out of memory and come back into empowered moment.

• 1:09Fearne Cotton?

  This particular episode came about because I was having, before Christmas, a particularly shitty mcshit week, where just like everything was going wrong, some major stuff, some health niggles, but also just like small practical things are going wrong, like not having running water one day, my washing machine breaking, just like the usual crap that, when you're already a bit stressed out, really pisses you off. And I was just feeling a bit like over everything. And I ended up remembering that Sonia had very kindly posted me her brand new book. And I thought, right, if any signs are pointing towards anything right now, it's for me to

• 1:52Fearne Cotton?

  stop and to pause for a minute and read some literature that's going to be uplifting. And I sat and I read half of this book in the evening in one go. And my mindset completely shifted.

• 2:07Fearne Cotton?

  And I think that that is a really good reminder that yes, you know, we've all got stuff going on and life isn't perfect and curveballs will be thrown our way throughout life, but we've got much more control over the perception we have of it and how we react to it than we care to believe. And I'd really sunk at that point into just feeling a bit sorry for myself, which is okay, you know, we're all allowed to do that. But I was in the, I was in danger of getting stuck in that. And this book really pulled me out of it. So I thought, do you know what? If this book has had such a great impact on me, we need to get Sonia back on. She's actually been on the podcast before a while back to talk more specifically about mediumship and psychickness, which we do touch on in

• 2:48Fearne Cotton?

  this chat. But we also talk about all manner of other very practical things. So if I don't know, if spirituality or psychickness is just not on your radar, not something you're interested in, fear not. This is a deeply practical conversation. Sonia is a spiritual teacher and intuitive guide, and her latest book is called Soul Mastery, 22 Lessons to Reinvent Your Life. So we talk about a ton of great stuff in this chat. We talk about why it's unnatural to suppress our sensory awareness, otherwise known as intuition. So all of our senses, picking up on whether we get a good vibe about something, a bad

• 3:29Fearne Cotton?

  vibe, don't see that as being like strange or unnatural. We also talk about how now neuroscience is showing that our guts, our skin, our organs are all conscious entities, and how to physically get out of your head and into your body. So we can really listen to those signs that our body is picking up on. We talk about humour and how that can diffuse overthinking and anxiety. We also talk about having more agency over your mindset, as I alluded to earlier, and also training yourself to look for the good things in life, which I think often we're in the bad habit of not doing that. We also talk about why imagination is vital. And also, this is a big one. We asked the question, and I would

• 4:13Fearne Cotton?

  love you to think about this if you can throughout the whole of this episode as Sonia's talking. If I asked you this question, what would you say? What would you do if you weren't afraid? It is a big question, and maybe you can mull over that as we get chatting.

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• 6:06Fearne Cotton?

  Shall we do it then? Okay, here's the show.

• 6:30Fearne Cotton?

  Sonia, I'm so happy to have you back on Happy Place. When you came on, I can't even think when it was now, probably a few years ago. Maybe over three? Over three years ago, that episode that we did with you was so hugely popular. I can't even tell you. I'm happy to hear that. Especially on YouTube. So many people watched that episode. And I imagine a lot of it is to do with the fact that... Many of us are searching, wanting to grow, wanting to see life differently with a bigger perspective. We're at a point where we're thinking, it can't just be this, that we're all bumbling along and we're just kind of tripping over ourselves. And I think many

• 7:14Fearne Cotton?

  people, certainly who listen to Happy Place, were so deeply inspired by that episode because you gave us a whole different angle to look at life and the tools to do it. So I'm, I'm so glad we get to chat about stuff today.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Well, I'm really excited because even from then till now, our planet is changing.

• 7:34Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  And our external planet is changing, but our internal constellation is changing and our inner senses are coming back online. But we are living in a world that has invalidated those senses. So we're running into a collision. I am having telepathic experiences. My gut is talking to me. I do have a vibe, I, I can vibrationally recognize what's happening, but everything's been invalidated. So where do I go? And so I think even now more than ever, the, the, the message and the tools I'm giving people are come back to your core frequency.

• 8:13Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  It, it's all frequency. And when you recognize that and you follow that through telepathy or through a dream or however it presents, it's a frequency.

• 8:26Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  That's keeping you true to yourself.

• 8:29Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, I think that's exactly it. There's always going to be that general curiosity about mediumship and psychic ability. But I think when we, but sometimes we can think, well, that's for other people. There's experts that do this.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 8:44Fearne Cotton?

  But you're so encouraging for all of us to think, we've all got the ability to have intuition and therefore we need to start listening to it. If that's a really new idea to anybody listening, that they've, they've not recognized their own intuition, they haven't had, I mean, most of us have had a spooky moment where it's been like, you're thinking of someone and they call, like all the obvious ones. You think of a song and it comes on the radio. But when we're talking about like true guidance in life that can be life changing, how do you start to tap into that?

• 9:15Speaker 02

  I think the very most important first thing is to quit projecting it as something unnatural.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  What is absolutely unnatural is every living creature alive has an inner guidance system. You know, all the animals left in India before the tsunami hit, you know, the migration of butterflies and the whales and the ecolation of bats. Why wouldn't we? So we've been under a huge mass of gaslight that our inner sensory awareness is legitimate receiving of energy that gives you information. So we, we woo woo it. We put it out there and I'm not out there because that would then make me vulnerable to being rejected.

• 10:04Speaker 02

  So I will reject my actual experience over risk being rejected by others. Fortunately, after COVID, that doesn't fly anymore because there's nothing, the promise of what others do for you is completely collapsed. Everybody's kind of each man for himself in a way because we're learning that I'm the captain of my ship. I live with my choices and if I abandon myself because I felt something that I couldn't logically explain, then it's weird. But here's the truth. Neuroscience has, explains it now. The, the science that we're working with or the understanding of our inner senses

• 10:47Speaker 02

  that we're working with is so last century.

• 10:50Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Science is now every day saying, finally, thank God, we have conscious bodies. Our guts are conscious, our hearts are conscious, our skin is conscious. We can internalize and receive energy and with it, information.

• 11:06Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  If it's congruent, then that's a good vibe.

• 11:10Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  If it's incongruent, wait.

• 11:13Fearne Cotton?

  And hey, we've all experienced that. You know, we've all walked into a room and gone, oh God, I don't, I'm getting a bad vibe from that person.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  It's so real. And that is something that if we start validating. I'm telling you, and I am not exaggerating, if you validated this for 21 days, your life will level up so quickly and you will fly so fast, you'll have to buckle up. I'm serious, I am not exaggerating. If you simply said yes, okay, instead of what I hear daily, "I don't know why I feel that way," and I say, "Hold on, you do know why. You are, you are experiencing this energy that is informing you, you just don't have a logical backup for it."

• 11:55Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, and you've got to take it seriously rather than go, "Oh."

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Every time.

• 11:59Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. So 21 days.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  I'm not overpromising. Come back and tell me.

• 12:04Fearne Cotton?

  I'm doing it.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  But here's the thing, a couple of things you have to set up. First, you won't even pick it up if you're in your head.

• 12:11Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, God, that's a hard one for me.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Well, you can have a brain surgery without having anesthesia. I mean, your head isn't sensitive. It is a, it is a processing machine. It's easy to get in your body. You just take it, just open your jaw until you hear it click in your ear. And sigh, ah, and smile. Can you feel how it shifted? Now you're in your body.

• 12:34Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  This, from here to the hips, is where you pick up most energy.

• 12:39Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, and also, like we know, your body keeps the score. There's that famous book, obviously, but it tells the truth, and we've all had ailments or physical situations that are manifestations of all of that energy that we're picking up and the feelings we're having.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  It's so real that this energy, if it is incongruent with your core frequency, which is always seeking peace, grounded, balanced connection, if you are hosting or engaging or entertaining excessively with vibrations that go against that, it's going to have a very debilitating effect on you. It will give you your migraines, your belly aches. It will give you your anxiety attacks. It will wake you up at 3 o'clock in the morning because it's trying to, what it is, is information from the field.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  From your higher self, from your guides, from the earth, communicating to you how to be aligned and actually be congruent with your highest good.

• 13:45Fearne Cotton?

  So what's the next step? Because I was having a chat with a mate the other day about this exact subject and she's somebody that had had repeated physical ailments, the same ones again and again and again. And she learned to really understand what it meant and what it represented in her past. And she worked really hard to heal those parts of herself, and I'm talking emotionally here, not physically. But then her physical symptoms disappeared. And I love hearing stories like that. And sometimes, again, they can be battered away, like, oh, what a load of trash. You know, we need to only concentrate on science, where I think, you know,

• 14:23Speaker 02

  The truth is, though, Fern, it is today's science. I always say to people, you are not talking about modern day science.

• 14:31Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Modern day science is confirming that we are emotional vibrational creatures. We are not just left brained.

• 14:41Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  We are whole brained, we are heart brained, we are gut brained. And when we get out of coherence, it's just like when you're a car out of alignment, it's gonna start wobbling and then it's gonna blow a tire.

• 14:53Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. And I mean, I've lived by books like Louise Hay's books, Zach Bush, I think, is doing amazing work. Dr. Joe Dispenza, you know, there's amazing literature out there and YouTube videos around these subjects. But still, the block for me is, and this is what I'm sort of midway having a conversation with this friend of mine, to get as much info as I can from her. Because I've had certain physical things that have come back again and again. And I understand why they're there. And I'm starting to take them more seriously and to listen to my body. But the next stage for me is, and how do you do that emotional healing? How do you get to that level where you can say, right, I'm breaking that loop, I'm breaking that cycle, it's, you

• 15:37Fearne Cotton?

  know, a new stretch of life for me to stop those physical ailments?

• 15:42Speaker 02

  There's a couple of things to know. We developed those conditions out of survival mechanisms when we were young and powerless because we needed to survive. Yeah. So we had to, we had to acquiesce to a narcissistic parent, or we had to be the caretaker of an adolescent or child parent. So we, we learned. But what happens in the brain is that these belief systems, we falsely interpret as much of who we are as our arm. So when you're asking yourself to change a belief, your basically uninformed response is that's like cutting off my arm. So when you're recognizing,

• 16:24Speaker 02

  okay, I mean, how many people haven't been to therapy? We can all explain why we're messed up. Yes, yes. That doesn't change a thing. But what we haven't shifted is the basic understanding that I am not a robot that's programmed. I am a spiritual being. And in current time, I have the power to choose differently if I'm willing. Yeah. And I have to then take myself out of memory and come back into empowered moment. So I have a story to tell you, and it's a good one because it changed my life. When I was very young, I was in my twenties, I was doing readings. This person came to me

• 17:07Speaker 02

  and I swear it was, wasn't a human. And he said to me, I do performance art. Would you come to my theater? I don't never go to my clients' theaters. I don't, I don't want to be in their thing. But I said, I will. It wasn't even a real theater. It was a garage. And I thought, well, that is, I was interested. I thought, well, good for him. He's not, he's not dependent on someone creating a theater, inviting him. He took this garage, he blackened it out. He had three little risers, eight little chairs. I walked in, I was with my then husband at the time. I walked in, there was two other people and that's it. And then the lights go down and we are in the total black. And all of a sudden, this light comes up and he's standing there and you hear this voice,

• 17:52Speaker 02

  whatever you do, listen to me. If you don't listen to me, you'll die. And he says, I'm listening, I'm listening. And he said, whatever you do, don't go outside. You'll die. And he said, okay, I won't go outside. And then it's quiet for a long time. And the voice says, are you listening? Goes, I'm listening, I'm listening. Well, whatever you do, do not go outside, you'll die. So we're all holding our breath and that's a long time. He's quiet and he goes, are you there? And the voice says, I'm here. And he said, well, what's outside? And he said, well, don't ask, you'll die. So he submits again for a while. And then he said, well, are you there? And he said, I'm here. He said, well, I want, I want to go outside. The voice got very menacing. Do not go outside.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  You'll die. So he pauses for a minute and goes, well, I'm dying in here. I'm gonna go outside. And they start arguing and the voice says, you will die. And the next thing he said, I'm going. And he runs out and we all go, oh. And the lights come on. And all you see is a tape recorder on the floor. And he never came back.

• 18:56Fearne Cotton?

  What?

• 18:59Speaker 02

  It was so wild, but I learned something. I learned something that a thousand books would not have taught me. That our brain, I swear that was an angel. And our brains are that tape recorder saying, whatever you do, do, do what I tell you, some outside authority.

• 19:17Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Or you'll die. And that is what's running our inner self. When we really think about making a change, we have to confront that primal fear that to be empowered will die. And the thing is, he said, I'm dying. Rather than die outside.

• 19:36Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  And I just remember we all gasped. Lights came on very slowly and he never came back and I never saw him again.

• 19:43Fearne Cotton?

  It's, that's so cool because what that is showing us is that we have to have hope. And hope is this sort of like flimsy concept, which none of us can quite grasp, but, but to not listen to that voice that we've all got that says, you better do that, especially, you know, I've had like bouts of OCD and that voice is very loud then, like you better check the hobbs for a seventh time.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  You'll die.

• 20:06Fearne Cotton?

  Otherwise you're gonna die tonight and you're gonna set the house on fire. It's your fault. It's all you. Like that's that OCD voice for me.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  See it as the tape recorder. So now you need to see it's not me.

• 20:17Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  It is a tape recorder, which is a function of my brain, which is a machine. That can be erased.

• 20:25Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, but then you've got to have hope to break that, haven't you?

• 20:30Speaker 02

  You know what helps you break it? Humor.

• 20:32Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  You know, don't, don't argue with it. Forget it. He argued. Humor. It works because when you go to humor, you go to your spirit.

• 20:43Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  You go to the part of you that is the eternal light in you. You cannot be afraid of something you laugh at. So go the other way. You're right, I'm gonna blow up the house. I might as well blow up the dog and the cat and the neighborhood too. And my God, if I, you know, I'm gonna just trash everything and it's, and you take it the other way. You snap out of it. Cause the minute you laugh, your spirit is back in your body. And you now have cleared the noise. You can check the vibe and you can make an informed, grounded decision based on energy in the moment.

• 21:18Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, you're so right. Do you know what I was? I'm always sort of like juggling books that I'm writing. Like I'm sure you've written a ton of books and you sort of have these ideas at random points. And I just literally handed in a book maybe two weeks ago. But prior to that, I'd started writing a fiction. And it was quite dark and heavy and I was about forty eight thousand words in it. It was a long way in. And I was sort of dreading going back to it after finishing this nonfiction. I was like, oh God, I, I don't know what, like, what is this book and what's the point of it? And then I had another idea for a fiction come up and it is pure comedy. It's completely, the subject matter is still quite serious, but the tone is humor throughout.

• 22:02Fearne Cotton?

  And I am, I cannot stop writing and it's giving me pure escapism. And I feel so motivated and actually like mentally better for it. Like we underestimate humor.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  I am feeling, can you feel that vibration, the tingles? That's higher energy. It's a real thing.

• 22:22Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  And you're like, your eyes just lit up, your whole face is rating. That's your spirit in your body. You've just changed. You've gotten out of the head frequency, you're in your spirit and do you feel your power?

• 22:34Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, it's so great.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  It is, see, I teach people, this doesn't have to be another long, complicated immersion into self inquiry into the black hole of space because. That takes a lot of time. Yeah. And it doesn't particularly help. No. It just didn't. It gives you a lot of, it can help. And I've done plenty of therapy. I've done plant medicine. I've done ayahuasca. I do it all because I want to be informed. Yes. But I can tell you, if you can laugh, you've just liberated yourself. Yeah, it's the best medicine. And it's quick because understand what you're doing is you're going out of the mental ego, which is, is a tool you have to your spirit, which is who you are.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that timeless empowered self isn't trapped by anyone or anything. That's what says you think of someone and you run into them because your spirit is connected to the field and is always connected to similar vibration. Yeah. Your spirit is saying, don't go there because it's incongruent in the field to who you are and what's important to you. Yeah. Much more quickly than your brain could ever even know, let alone figure out. Yes. So say yes for 21 days. Hmm. More importantly, out loud. Yeah. I'm getting the vibe because it is an actual vibration. It is an actual energy. Okay, I'm getting a vibe. You shouldn't do that. I'm getting the vibe. I should, I should go into this restaurant or I should leave there.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Just say it out loud because even if you don't listen, once you name it, you claim it. Yes, I love it.

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• 25:49Fearne Cotton?

  I want to talk very deeply about your new book, Soul Mastery, in a moment. But one thing that you mention in it, which isn't necessarily connected to the theme of this book directly, is your own, I don't know what you just called it, like, black hole, or like, your own dark, dark moments where you had to encounter a lot of grief. Your dad died, your brother died.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  My husband left.

• 26:09Fearne Cotton?

  Your husband left, you...

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Lost everything.

• 26:11Fearne Cotton?

  You just lost everything, like, your financial framework.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like a bowling ball down the lane, took all, all my foundation out.

• 26:18Fearne Cotton?

  I mean, that is a lot to contend with. And there'll be many people listening to this who will maybe relate to one of those things, maybe a couple of those things. It's, you know, they're sadly universal things that we'll all encounter, but you had them lumped into one go. And it is hard to find humour in those moments where you're like, not another thing. It's relentless, like, the next thing, the next thing. And it's, you become perhaps quite humourless because you're just like, this is all too much for me to deal with. What was the, was there a pivotal moment or was it an incremental adjustment to something better?

• 26:57Speaker 02

  It was two things. One, rather than sit in it, in both cases, the first loss was, I'm going to walk the Camino. And it wasn't my idea. The idea was given to me in, in spirit. I didn't even really know that much about the Camino. And I said, yes. I just packed up and went. Thirty-five days, 800 kilometres, because I knew one thing. If I got the vibe, then it would bear out benefits I have no consciousness of, of arguing with, to just go for it. And then the second tool, same thing when I moved to Paris, it said, move to Paris. Same thing. Sabrina, actually, my daughter said, we need to move to Paris or you need to go to a psychiatric ward. What's your choice?

• 27:42Speaker 02

  And I was like, hmm.

• 27:44Fearne Cotton?

  Seriously.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  It was that choice. It was like, well, um, okay, when are we gonna go? That was my answer to that very question. But in both cases, I wrote, because, and I don't know if you've experienced this, but maybe with that comedy. When I write, my higher self writes.

• 28:03Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  The part of me that's the witness to the drama. And that part of me can find a lot of humor in a lot of things.

• 28:10Fearne Cotton?

  Hmm.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  And so I recorded the whole, and I ended up with two books, Walking Home and Waking Up in Paris. They were the worst years of my life, but they were also very funny.

• 28:26Fearne Cotton?

  And you're so right. Like, sometimes you read stuff back that you've written, you're like, who wrote that?

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Right, your higher self.

• 28:30Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Certainly not the miserable me that was really suffering that day.

• 28:35Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  I went through hell, but I always knew it was not just to put me through hell. I always knew. And I would ask anybody going through this, can you feel that deeper truth that this is correct? And it's taking me to a more authentic outcome.

• 28:53Fearne Cotton?

  Yes. That's what I got from this book so strongly because when you sent me this book, I was going through, and still am, like, you know, an undulating time, but I was feeling really shit this one particular week. And I'd got myself into the headspace where I just couldn't see any joy or goodness. There was joy in my life, but I just couldn't see it. I was focusing only on the negatives and the sort of uncertainty that was there. And that night, my children with my ex-husband, so I thought, I'm gonna have a bath and I'm gonna just luxuriate all night long. I haven't had a bath in weeks and weeks, so I'm just gonna lie in there all night.

• 29:35Fearne Cotton?

  And I went downstairs and turned the taps on and nothing came out. And I was like, are you fucking joking? I'm having the shittest week and I've got no water. Are you joking? So I was like, right. What am I gonna, shall I go for a walk? I didn't, it was raining and I was like, oh, I've got Sonia's book I haven't read yet. And I picked it up and it was like, everything was conspiring for me to just sit and read your book. And I read half in one sitting.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 30:03Fearne Cotton?

  And I could feel myself lifting out of this darkness, turning each page. There were so many bits. And I think the main message that I took from reading that first half was to say, rather than go, oh, wow, look, there's no running water, this has gone wrong and that, it was to go, something amazing is going to happen. Something brilliant is going to arrive. And even if it's not tomorrow or in a week, to have that agency over your own mindset, we can all do it. It is so powerful. We just need to be reminded that that's possible.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  And a lot of people don't even know to begin with that that's an option.

• 30:45Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  So it is reminded on a soul level, we all know. And to become re reminded that your soul is in charge.

• 30:58Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  And it is powerful. And it came into this crazy classroom. And this crazy classroom is beginnings and endings. That's part of it. So the beginnings are exciting, the middles are great, the endings are tough. And then here we go again and around and around. So if you can distance to know, there is a method to this madness in the end. And I'm learning to be powerful and aligned and masterful in what, in my life, being a mirror of who I really am and what I really want to express and experience, that all the, all the hell flying loose just becomes an opportunity to get creative.

• 31:42Fearne Cotton?

  Yes. Creativity is so key in all of this because I think we're all conditioned, whether it's in our upbringing or by society, to always fear the worst options. So we're prepared, be hypervigilant, like, and, and we always second guess everything with, what if this happens? What if that happens? And, and it would seem absurd for us to go, something amazing's gonna happen today. Like, that seems sort of fanciful and like, oh, well, it's all right for you to think like that. But it's just a habit.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  The other thing I suggest to people is that your your ego is catastrophic. It's always going to look for the the worst case scenario. It's survival.

• 32:23Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Your spirit is creative, but we tend to park our consciousness on catastrophic. And we glide right past what's brilliant. For example, I had a client that I worked with who was so agonized over the fact that she had a father who never ever once in her entire life gave her any validation, credit, recognition. And she had become quite a successful coach. He was a general in the army. He was, you know, military, didn't even validate what I did. I mean, we spent a good year on this. Well, then I asked her, how was your week? And she's always amazing.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  My parents were on the verge of divorce and they he asked me to coach him through something. And she said, and they they worked it out. And then she said, how was your week? And I said, you have got to be kidding. How was my you just told me your entire world that has been hung up in this black hole just flipped and you just cruised through it like you didn't notice?

• 33:28Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  And she said, oh, I guess you're right. I said, I'm right. He changed, but you didn't. You're still going back to that. So you have to recognize it's not the same world you had for the last 30 years. You're suffering. Change.

• 33:45Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  You missed it.

• 33:47Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, it's so it's so hard. I'm not even sure why. It's probably the ego blocking. It's hard to change.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  You just have to create the habit of what my mom was so great, but she did this. Every day I walked out the door and believe me, she was as crazy as the rest. But she walked out the door. She would say, expect good things.

• 34:07Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, I love that.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  And at dinner, she would say, what good thing happened today? And it trained me to focus on the good thing and not to amplify and catastrophize every other thing.

• 34:22Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  And so it's a habit.

• 34:25Fearne Cotton?

  What happens if, and many people, myself included, will think like this. When you've had something go horribly wrong in the past and you think it's all your fault. You did it, it's the worst thing. It's therefore hard sometimes to trust yourself and maybe to tune into that intuition. Because you could say, well, look what happened before. All of this went wrong. How can I trust in life? How can I trust in myself?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Well, I think that that requires a reframe. And the reframe is, maybe it didn't go terribly wrong. Maybe it was a terribly unpleasant experience, but a course correction.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  And maybe I'm deciding too soon what the outcome is.

• 35:13Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  And that the real reaction I'm having is that the course correction was miserable. But it wasn't my judgment or my choice. Maybe I needed that experience.

• 35:23Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Maybe I had to have that on a soul level, but it's not over yet.

• 35:27Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Let me just, let me reframe. And I, I say there's, you know, intuition is not just red light, green light. There's also yellow light. Just, just hold on for a minute. You got into this and you felt it was right. So don't decide it's, it's a mistake. Check if you truly knew you were going against yourself. Okay, own that good information. Don't do that. But if your soul took you in there full speed ahead. And this is what my, I remember I was on a podcast. Right after my, the dad, husband horrible collapse. And this guy says to me, well, if you're so intuitive, how could that possibly have happened to you?

• 36:12Fearne Cotton?

  What day?

• 36:12Speaker 02

  And I said, well, first of all. I'm surprised your, your, I, your understanding of intuition is that I can stop death.

• 36:20Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  I can stop life, I can control people or dodgeball it so that I don't have to experience the human condition. I said, I don't reframe any of this as something that shouldn't have happened, or I missed it. This was part of my soul's growth. What my takeaway is, am I gonna get the growth and the gift, or am I gonna be a victim?

• 36:43Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  That's my choice, but please, and that is a misunderstanding.

• 36:47Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, hugely. And also, I think victim mentality is very important to look at in this context, because I'm saying that with no judgment, because I've certainly sat in that space for a while, and it's so incremental that you don't realize you're in it. It could start with one or two bad things happen, and you need to talk to somebody and vent, but then you get stuck in that.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  That's something else that I think is too extreme. We say, don't be a victim, means I'm powerless. But am I hurt? Am I wounded? Have I been impacted? Am I crunched? Yes. And I need some support and a container to recover my pieces, which are scattered all over the place.

• 37:27Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  That's not victim.

• 37:29Fearne Cotton?

  No, no.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  That's injured. And I need to recover, regroup.

• 37:35Fearne Cotton?

  So it's the not getting stuck bit, because you talk about that in the book.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have no choice, this is happening to me, is a lot, from according to, to, to how I've been taught, both earthly master teachers and spirit master teachers, is it's a colossal failure of creativity and imagination. So if you're really stuck, and you believe this is it, then feed your imagination with some new inspirational input. And then, go see a fabulous movie, and then see, go see Wicked, like I just saw. And I saw it in New Orleans, and the chairs, I mean, they turned this whole theater into a rock and

• 38:19Speaker 02

  roll experience. Like, what's happening? But I was in a funky mood going in. It was pouring rain. I had jet lag. I was not into it. And afterwards, take on the world. I fed, it fed my imagination. So that's my antidote to victim. Can't talk yourself out of it.

• 38:38Fearne Cotton?

  No, no.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  Feed your imagination. Go, go listen to some band or some music or, or go paint a picture or go see a movie or go shopping.

• 38:49Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I mean, you talk about imagination a lot in this book. This book has been largely informed by your communication with a very specific group of spirit guides.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  That have been with me for many, many years.

• 39:02Fearne Cotton?

  And so these messages, they landed with you in one lump incrementally?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  It's the second time these messages came through. The first time I wrote a book called Soul Lessons and Soul Purpose. I met these, these guides came to me through a process where I was doing a workshop in Hawaii for two weeks and they came through. And they were teacher guides, Joachim and the emissaries of the third ray, second octave of love. Which meant to me, and this is great, metaphysical jargon to everybody, but they said to me they were teachers to, to change the mind. The second octave is mental, but of love, to bring love to the mind. And these came through in, in this first book twelve years ago, but the world's changed.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  So they came back and said, we're going to re-communicate with you because you're now in the mindset of a different consciousness. So we're gonna teach it again, but the planet's changed. So we are here to empower you quickly because the vibration of the planet, everything is changing so fast. That it will help you adjust and see yourself. The whole point of their book is you are a spiritual being. And your biggest obstacle is to believe that you are anything but that. And once you get that, that's like going to Harry Potter school. You're a magician, but you still have to learn how to use your magic.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  And that's the sport of being human.

• 40:36Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, and this has been very brilliantly laid out in these twenty two lessons. They're like laws, rules that we can live by that we know are gonna work.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  It's the twenty two laws of what creates the physical dimension.

• 40:49Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, and which ones do you think really jumped out you like, oh, that that is something that I I needed to hear or I needed to rethink about.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Well, each law comes through four phases. There's a law, but you could be a student, which I've never heard of this before. It's brand new. An apprentice, I've heard of it. I'm gonna, I need some examples. Let me find some teachers or people who can model this. Prentice is like, OK, I'm ready to learn. Give it a go. And then you get it and it becomes part of you. So for me, imagination, because I've always had a big one. That one's always easy. What's not been so easy for me is to get grounded, to start realizing, well, wait a minute. If something's not going the way I want, where did my choice play a role in that? That that bugged me to death.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  I didn't choose that. It's that I had to learn that it wasn't that I was consciously on an ego level choosing. But to learn the lessons I had come here to learn, I cooperated because that was the best way to learn. Then I could start saying, OK, for example, I didn't choose my husband, but I did. And it took me a while and I thought, you know, I chose him to be my companion in my youth. But he is not a companion when I started to leave the consciousness of youth, which is we're not just gonna travel and keep you carefree and answer to no one. When I started to become more responsible and interested in growing and developing, we separated.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Took me a while because I couldn't reconcile. How did I end up? Him, you know, it just seems so crazy, you know, it's like, but I chose him and I thought, well, for my youth, he was fun.

• 42:40Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  And he, he, and he believed me, which was in my day, telling someone that you are psychic or an intuitive usually killed your dating life.

• 42:51Fearne Cotton?

  Right.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  So it didn't kill my-

• 42:53Fearne Cotton?

  They're like, she's gonna read my mind.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  When I chug out and hit the road, then pretty much that was, and he said, that's interesting. And that is why I ended up marrying him. It was like, because he didn't run away.

• 43:05Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  I over projected that his interest was deeper than it actually was.

• 43:11Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Was, to me, that was a betrayal. It's like, well, wait a minute, you said you were interested and you're showing anything but interest in growing. So it took me a while to learn these lessons, but eventually, it's very powerful and liberating and you do feel very lighthearted and free when you do say, you know what, I, I did learn that.

• 43:32Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  I did choose that. That's been a big one for me.

• 43:36Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, my God, same. I, I used to look at one period of my life and think, oh, I'm an idiot. How did I end up in this situation? And now I don't. It's taken me years, but I can certainly look back and go, I definitely learned this. I can see how fruitful bits of it have been because I've had to fast track some bits of growing and the positives almost outweigh the negatives. I think I'm still on that learning curve.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  It is, this is school.

• 44:02Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  And if everybody can get on board and say, okay, I thought the goal was to wrestle the external world to the ground, make a lot of money and win, win the game. And now we're, we're realizing, well, that's not, I've done that actually for a lot of people. That didn't give me any reward. So maybe I had the goal off that I am a spirit embodied here to learn how to manifest with my consciousness and through the power of my heart, using all of my senses, inner and outer, living energetically instead of ego controlling.

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• 46:05Fearne Cotton?

  Everything you've just said there and the description that you've given of how we can live life creatively, using our imagination, manifesting, is the opposite of what is ubiquitous, which is hustling, pushing against, pushing yourself to absolute burnout. Try harder, do better, be a better person. You know, it's all about force. And I think most of us feel exhausted because we're feeling that pressure, like, oh, my God, I'm not doing enough, I'm not enough. And then you get defensive, and then that's like a forceful energy, and it's depleting.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  It is exhausting. I had an interesting experience this year. I was invited to go speak to a group in LA in May on a manifestation summit. Thousands and thousands of people showed up. And I walked to the venue, and it's a manifesting venue. So what I'm seeing are Rolls Royces and Bentleys and people just dripping in wealth.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  So when I got up to the front of the audience, I said to them, okay, you're here to manifest, but clearly the majority of you have have pretty much hit the jackpot in terms of what material manifestations you you can aspire to. So what what you need to consider is, am I trying to manifest the wrong thing? For what I want to experience? Peace, purpose, connection, meaning.

• 47:30Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Those are not things that better that come from the the conquest of me over others. It comes from connection, energetic perception. Be who I actually am and trust that that's a good choice. And there's nothing to improve, except being more of who I actually am.

• 47:50Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, which is scary. And I think most of us are scared of that.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Initially, but even people say, well, that's scary. And I say, well, you know, it's scarier is not.

• 47:58Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, my God.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Can you imagine? Going through your whole life, shape shifting to win approval.

• 48:04Fearne Cotton?

  I did it. I did it for years. I did it for years and years and years.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  People are getting to a point where they are, they can't.

• 48:10Fearne Cotton?

  It's so boring.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Thank God. It is boring and it's it's a false promise.

• 48:14Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, and you're so.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  You don't get a reward.

• 48:15Fearne Cotton?

  No, you don't. Oh, my God. Do you know what? I actually wrote down a story from your book, from this book here. And it's about a client that came to see you. And she was being, she had been the good girl for her whole life. So she was the perfect mom. She was on the PTA. She did all of the like relevant things at school and extracurricular stuff that needed to be done. She was the perfect wife, the best friend. She would help anyone in her local community. And when she was on her deathbed, everybody was coming to her saying, oh, my God, you've been amazing. Like, what an amazing human you are. And she was actually, because she was dying, like, I have done it through gritted teeth. I felt like screaming my head off because I haven't wanted to do half of it. Why did I do all of this? And I think

• 48:57Fearne Cotton?

  many of us, I'm in my mid 40s, me and all my girlfriends have this very chat all the time. I think we've naturally come to an age where we've gone. Fuck this. I don't wanna do this anymore where I'm just being the good girl. There's no reward.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Well, I remember when she came to me, she said, I'm dying. So I'm not asking you to give me some way out of this, but I wanna die in peace. And I don't know how. And I said, tell people the truth. You don't know how long you have, but tell them that what they're admiring was your self abandonment.

• 49:33Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  They're admiring that you went for approval over self love. I never heard from her until her daughter contacted me later and told me this story. She said, I don't know what you said to my mom, but the last three months of her life, I loved her. But up until then, I didn't even know her. And it was, that's, her spirit comes to me often to say, wait a minute. We have to just be, we in our generation and in this place in time, be the ones to say, literally, and pardon me, fuck that.

• 50:10Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Which actually, I love that word. My teacher said the reason it's so powerful, cause it's the, it's the verbal equivalent of a lightning bolt.

• 50:17Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. I love it.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  No more.

• 50:20Fearne Cotton?

  No more. I'm done.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  We have to be pioneers.

• 50:23Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  So that's what I am devoted to teaching is look, you are equipped. You have these inner senses. Turn them on, get out of your head because it's the taper of quarter of everyone else's voices.

• 50:37Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  So laugh, dance, do something creative, breathe, move. And if you have to, just clap. Fuck that.

• 50:48Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Break up the vibration and go back to what, a hand on heart, if I weren't afraid, I would.

• 50:56Fearne Cotton?

  I wrote that down too.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  That is direct intuition.

• 50:59Fearne Cotton?

  It's a scary question, isn't it? If you're not used to asking yourself, if I weren't afraid, I would, dot, dot, dot.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  It's such an exciting question I ask myself every day. When I'm not feeling good, I say this is fear.

• 51:15Fearne Cotton?

  Do you know what? If I weren't afraid, I would do a lot less than I do.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:21Fearne Cotton?

  Because I constantly think that I am underachieving, not doing enough, not worthy of things. And I have to work doubly hard because I don't deserve any of it. And and even like I had this conversation. My manager's gonna be like, shut your face. But like the other day I had this conversation was like, oh, I think I need to like, get back into TV because I sort of I don't I don't do it anymore. And I think I need to like face that fear. But if I was to ask myself that, I don't think I'm scared of doing TV. I don't think I want to do it.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  You didn't enjoy it.

• 52:00Fearne Cotton?

  I didn't enjoy it, but I I see it as a failure.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  I also see why it's passing through.

• 52:06Fearne Cotton?

  Hmm.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  At the time, and I don't know the backstory, I'm just reading the vibe. At the time, you were vibrationally overwhelmed.

• 52:14Fearne Cotton?

  Yep.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  So you were just navigating the lay of the land and not had a choice to be yourself.

• 52:21Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  If you were to go back, which it doesn't matter, you weren't that person.

• 52:28Fearne Cotton?

  No, no.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  Nobody would have power over you because you wouldn't need it.

• 52:33Fearne Cotton?

  No, no. And that's why I know that like doing this is so joyful because I can just be me. I don't need to perform or do anything extra.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Nobody has a vote.

• 52:46Fearne Cotton?

  No, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I'm not like beamed into people's front rooms. If they want to watch, you can open your laptop and watch. You can listen wherever you want kind of thing. But I I've all that that's the thing that I know is that I would probably do less and spend more time. I mean, luckily, I've I'm able to sort of juggle my family life and work as well as I can. But I probably would do less to do more school pickups, to like see my friends more, to just hang out the weekends doing nothing or whatever. But I give myself a hard time for that.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  I always say any change because your brain thinks, oh, you're gonna cut off my arm. Bite size.

• 53:24Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  So for this Sunday, I'm gonna do less.

• 53:28Fearne Cotton?

  Hmm.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  And see if I survive.

• 53:29Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  And then if that works out, I'll do it Saturday, Sunday next week. And you you inch in, that's how we change. And then you really celebrate it.

• 53:39Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  Because you have to imprint your nervous system with, this is a good thing.

• 53:44Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  This is an actual, and the more we do less, we pull in, that's feminine energy. The more that the world can bring to you what matches that. So all kinds of wonderful new things will come up. Do it as an experiment.

• 54:01Fearne Cotton?

  Exactly, because the key thing here, whether you are, as a listener, into psychickness, mediumship, whatever, intuition essentially means that you become the most authentic version of yourself.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:17Fearne Cotton?

  Or you're tuned into that most authentic version because your actions are based on that.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  I appreciate that you bring this up because we have a language problem.

• 54:26Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  It's not, the language of intuition has been pushed out into woo-woo-ville, which where I lived and loved, but I've evolved. We just need to recognize that these words are attempts to describe that I am actually an energetically responsive person being, and I pick up energy and vibration and frequency. And we are communicating all the time and my outer senses initially receive it. So that's why I get an image. My, my, my sense of vision will get the picture, or I'll hear an inner voice.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  The energy comes through that outer sense, so I'm describing it as an inner voice. Or my, my sense of feeling, the gut feeling, my gut is tuning into the energy, so I, I languish it, but it's really just a language challenge. And if we just said, well, hold on, wait a minute, rather than dismiss it, what are you describing?

• 55:34Speaker 02

  We come back to this, there's an energy that I am experiencing and it's real.

• 55:38Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  And it's giving me information and I am hardwired to pick that up and I'm gonna use that to my benefit.

• 55:44Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, because the more we can show up totally as ourselves, saying yes when it feels absolutely right, but really saying no when we know something's not for us.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  With no explanation. That's the power.

• 55:58Fearne Cotton?

  Full sentence. No.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Full stop.

• 56:00Fearne Cotton?

  Full stop. That makes life, I don't wanna say easier, because we're still gonna experience challenges, but more fluid. Like, we're going with it rather than, ugh, like pushing through.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 56:11Fearne Cotton?

  Like, just making it to the end of the day. It's like, if we're using our intuition and going, this feels right, this doesn't, we can be more ourselves and our life just flows.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Exactly. In fact, I watched this movie, I was just coming back from New Orleans and I was on the airplane and watched the movie The Roses.

• 56:28Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, yeah, I wanna see that.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Because these British actors who I adore, but there is Kate McKinnon in there and she is the intuitive in the room. And she's a major character going, well, I'm feeling some tension in the room. I thought, I love that you're here. I love that you're here because everything she said was accurate. As crazy as they made her, it was accurate. And I thought, we're changing.

• 56:54Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  This is now in the conversation and it was a character that everybody just went along with. So we've made progress.

• 57:04Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  So now you just say, you know, I have a feeling that this isn't for me and no, can't explain it, don't need to.

• 57:11Fearne Cotton?

  Don't need to, don't wanna.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  That's the power.

• 57:13Fearne Cotton?

  I love that. For anyone who's new to the idea of spirit guides, could you explain a bit about what they might be, what it might sound like? There could be someone listening to this who's like, I've definitely sensed a voice or felt a message coming in from somewhere. What might that spirit guide be and how might those messages show up?

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Well, that's a good question. Actually, I wrote a whole book on that because it's not one answer.

• 57:41Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  As spiritual beings, we have access to a divine support system.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  All of which are leading us to our number one guide, which is our own higher self. We have angels who help us just stay out of trouble. You know, they're the ones that come and intersect and steer us back in when we really drift into what could potentially be a serious problem. Then we have the people who have been in our lives, in our ancestors. They are still in spirit. We are part of their lineage and their wisdom comes through. So that's when we think, Grandma. And that's what mediums are talking to. They're the people who talk to that just crossed over transition experience where the soul is

• 58:27Speaker 02

  still somewhat available to the relationships they had in this third dimension. Then we have a whole staff. We have helper guides who come and go depending on what we're working on. You have writer guides. Now you have comedy guides. They move in and out. They're like reserves. They're like tutors in reserves. And by helping you, it helps them. It's a whole spiral into an expanded light. We have light beings now, tremendous higher conscious beings who are saying, okay, you humans are kind of slow and you've got yourselves in a bit of trouble on this planet. So we're going to accelerate your understanding.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  That's why there's this proliferation all of a sudden of people who channel like this book because they're these massive high consciousness beings who are trying to elevate us more quickly. We have joy guides. There when you know, when you're at the funeral and all of a sudden there's a ripple of hilarity through the ceremony, those are joy guides because stepping out of body is challenging for those left behind, but liberating for the soul. So we have a whole constellation and it's not a static group. As we evolve, the helpers change. So think about it like tutors in school.

• 59:51Fearne Cotton?

  And I guess also. Feeling less awkward, if you've never done it, asking for help. Because again, like after reading your book, I was feeling really awful. I went to bed and I had all this stuff on my mind and I was trying to work out, root through some of it. And I said to my friend, Chris, who passed away nearly two years ago, I said, oh, can you just like help me out? Give me like a little bit of guidance or just let me know you're there. And I woke up the next morning and I was like, oh, my God, she was not in my dream. I was with her.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were, you were.

• 1:00:27Fearne Cotton?

  It was wild. I was on this hill near my house and she was stood there totally HD quality. And we had this hug and I was crying and she was completely fine. And I was hugging her and we had a very, very brief interaction and then she went. But I woke, it was the first thing I thought of when I woke up. I was like, oh, my God, I forget to do that. I forget to ask.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  And doesn't that make life more wonderful?

• 1:00:50Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, it makes it magical.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  So much, we have lost our magic and I am on a mission to say, you can have it back.

• 1:00:58Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  It doesn't take special qualifications. This is your birthright to live connected on many dimensions.

• 1:01:07Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  You had a beautiful connection because you asked.

• 1:01:11Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? And again, maybe anyone listening to this who wants to try could experiment by like asking before you go to bed or speaking to someone that you know has passed over or, I don't know, even the other day, like when this comedy book idea landed in my head, I'd actually had the idea five years ago. I had no plan, I hadn't even thought of it. I had no plan to do anything along those lines. And I was on this walk and it just like hit me in the head. It was just like, that's what you're doing.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  That's the download.

• 1:01:40Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  And then you had to get ready. You had to live more drama to write the comedy.

• 1:01:45Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, exactly, exactly. But I think asking seems key here rather than just expecting, well, come on then, show up.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  And then here's the thing, don't test. Genuinely mean it because you have to have an open heart. That's the portal.

• 1:02:01Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Now, I was talking on, I have a YouTube channel myself and I was talking about how guides and angels come to you and I have hundred stories of people saying this happened to me. So there's evidence in the comments that this is not exclusive to a person like me who's devoted myself to spiritual growth. These people are just coming online. But it's our birthright. So, and it's so fun to tell these stories. Don't you love telling that story?

• 1:02:29Fearne Cotton?

  I do. And do you know what? I really wanna urge anyone listening to this who's had that sort of experience to let us know, like whether it's on our Instagram thing or in the comments on YouTube, like these stories.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  It takes everyone out of the closet.

• 1:02:41Fearne Cotton?

  It does, it does. And they are magical to hear. It's magical to know it's there.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  For me to hear your story makes me happy.

• 1:02:48Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  And it's, it elevates all of us to say, this, yeah, this is normal.

• 1:02:53Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Who are we kidding that this is woo woo and we're all gonna be arrogant and dismissive? This is what brings us joy and connection on many levels.

• 1:03:02Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  It's, it's a gift that we all help each other tell your stories. And don't tell them as weird. Take those quotation marks off and put wonderful in its place.

• 1:03:15Fearne Cotton?

  I love it. I love it. I think the big takeaways from this chat are definitely that connection with whoever we wanna have a chat to.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  They'll find you.

• 1:03:26Fearne Cotton?

  That they'll find us. And also, I guess, looking at that the agency that we have in life and, and not falling into victimhood and retraining the positive aspects of our brain.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  And it's okay to be injured.

• 1:03:43Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  And get the support you need. That's not being a victim.

• 1:03:46Fearne Cotton?

  No, no.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  That is being injured. If I got hit by a car, then okay, I gotta recover. I'm not a victim. I had that experience. So you reframe.

• 1:03:57Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. And I think I love the idea of what you said earlier about for 21 days, go with, go with your intuition, see how your life changes. I'm doing that.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Write to you.

• 1:04:06Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Everybody listening, have them write to you and tell you what the, and the result was.

• 1:04:11Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Let's get some evidence because this is not woo woo. This is our new normal.

• 1:04:17Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. I love it.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  It's fun.

• 1:04:20Fearne Cotton?

  It's fun. It's so fun. I honestly could talk to you for weeks on end because I feel like there's endless things to learn from your wisdom.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  It's new territory that we all need to move into.

• 1:04:33Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  It's a lot lighter hearted and it's working.

• 1:04:37Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, it's amazing and I'm so grateful for you.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:04:41Fearne Cotton?

  Not only writing another brilliant book that honestly got me out of like the most awful frame of mind. It's just the most beautiful book, which I've passed on to so many people already.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  I'm so grateful. Thank you so much.

• 1:04:51Fearne Cotton?

  I love it. I love it. But I'd love to officially end by asking you, where is your happy place?

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Right now, here in London. And it is because my daughter Sabrina and her husband live here and I have two beautiful granddaughters and they are hilarious. They are hilarious. One is four and one is nine months. And they are the best. And so I'm laughing a lot.

• 1:05:16Fearne Cotton?

  I bet.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  And it's just the doors keep opening. So the guides brought me here and I didn't expect it, but I'm having a great time in this moment. So this is my happy place.

• 1:05:27Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 1:05:29Fearne Cotton?

  Sonia, thank you. You are incredible and I just adored that chat. Thank you.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  It was so good. Thank you so much.

• 1:05:37Fearne Cotton?

  Oh my God, Sonia. That went too quickly for me. Like, I feel like I've only skimmed the surface with that chat. Maybe we're going to get Sonia back again. She should maybe even just be a regular because I think we just all need Sonia in our lives. Sonia's book Soul Mastery is out now. Let's chat on Instagram during the week, shall we? We're at Happy Place Official. In the meantime, a massive thanks again to Sonia, to the producer Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios and to you. Believe in yourself, please, and do that thing that you're scared of.

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