Heartwashed By His Con Mum w/ Jessi Klein & Liz Feldman

This week, Laci welcomes Jessi Klein and Liz Feldman from the Here To Make Friends podcast, who share about being victim to the latest Toll Road scam. Then, Laci takes the gals down the winding road of today's Historic Hoodwink following a Con-Mum who scammed her own son, which leaves Jessi and Liz speechless. Stay scheming’! Make sure to listen to the Here To Make Friends podcast. Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Jessi Klein: @youracquaintancejessiklein Liz Feldman: @thelizfeldman Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.netflix.com/title/81708174 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14xn65vg2yo https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/mar/22/does-she-love-me-no-is-she-capable-of-love-no-my-mother-the-con-artist https://www.eonline.com/news/1415921/netflixs-con-mum-where-graham-hornigold-is-now

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• 2:51Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But congregation, stand all up in the pews. Amen, amen, amen. Who got their white gloves on? Okay, cute, cute. I hope you didn't get them off from one of them China websites because you pay tariffs on them gloves. All right. Now, y'all already know that I'm what? Yes, excited, elated. We have two guests, not one, but two gal boss guests on the show. One is a writer, actress, stand-up comedian, and producer. You might know her from Inside Amy Schumer. Yeah, Dead to Me and Transparent.

• 3:35Laci Mosley?

  And the other is an American comedian, writer, producer, and director. She's best known as the creator and executive producer of the Netflix dark comedy series Dead to Me and No Good Deed. All of these shows are so poppin'. I know you've heard of all of them. I don't even have to really, ew. Together now, look, now they're getting like Thanos and collecting all the Infinity Stones. And they're working together on a new podcast called Here to Make Friends, a show where the hosts celebrate longstanding friendships and attempt to make new ones in adulthood, which we all know is very hard. We don't have a playground, girl. And let me tell you, that is not always so easy, right? Like, like I'm just saying. But I hope that I can be like a new friend with you both.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. This is the dream.

• 4:20Laci Mosley?

  This is my scam. This is my scam.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  Oh, we're the scammers. This is a long con that we have made. It's a short con. Just be our friend.

• 4:29Laci Mosley?

  Just be our friend. I am in. I'm down.

• 4:32Speaker 05

  Okay, the con is over.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  We were kiki-ing before this, and I'm like, can I just tell you a little bit of my story? My trauma before. He started like, y'all, y'all just have friendly faces. Y'all got me very quick.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  No, we're here, we're here for a trauma box.

• 4:42Laci Mosley?

  I couldn't be more excited to welcome the gal bosses to the congregation. Okay, listen, we, we got new, they can wear hats in the church. Okay, we're talking front pew, wearing hats, baddie bosses, okay? Our new welcoming doors usher in, mm, Jesse Klein and Liz Feldman to the show and to the congregation.

• 5:05Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 5:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:06Speaker 06

  Oh my gosh, we're so happy to be here.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  Let me first just thank you for saying that I'm American.

• 5:11Laci Mosley?

  I know, Liz got identified as the American comedian.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  I, you know what?

• 5:15Laci Mosley?

  Are you Canadian?

• 5:16Speaker 05

  God, no. I wish I was, but I think what maybe happened is that was off my Wikipedia page. I'm gonna blame my own assistant.

• 5:24Laci Mosley?

  Wait, where are you from?

• 5:25Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm American, but it was just funny to be called an American.

• 5:28Laci Mosley?

  Cause you didn't say that I was an American comedian, but I too am American, but the point is, we all would love to be Canadian right now.

• 5:34Speaker 05

  But I wish I was, was Canadian.

• 5:36Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm confused. Not, not you actually being American and then being like, well, why would you describe me that way?

• 5:43Laci Mosley?

  It's just like, when I go to Europe, I, the girls don't need to know I'm American, unless I'm a French.

• 5:47Speaker 06

  We're keeping it.

• 5:47Laci Mosley?

  Then they can know I'm American because I'll beat the French's asses. Y'all know I have beef with the French. I, I have let go of my Brazilian beef, y'all are fine, but the French, y'all can get it.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Oh, wow, what the French do?

• 5:58Laci Mosley?

  They're rude for no reason. Everybody knows on this podcast, like, it's annoying.

• 6:01Speaker 06

  They are rude for no reason.

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  Be rude with a purpose. If you gotta get somewhere, if you, you're lost or you're tired, okay, I get that. You're, you're just being blunt, but French people are rude for no reason. They wanna hurt your feelings. They look deep in your eyes while they insult you for no reason. And I'm like, I'm sorry, like.

• 6:16Speaker 06

  I'm with you on the French beef.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  You're making me wanna do violence to you, and I guess that's the American in me, but like, don't do that.

• 6:22Speaker 05

  I'm just afraid to say anything about any foreign country in case I need to seek refuge there.

• 6:26Speaker 06

  I know, we are gonna be trying to get our visas.

• 6:29Laci Mosley?

  They're not gonna let us in over there anyway. And I had a nasty coat. I had on a cute outfit. I was eating them bitches up and they were doing that. No.

• 6:37Speaker 06

  Still giving you the eye, the evil eye.

• 6:39Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm just gonna go live in Ireland if I have to. Listen, they're the only white people who know about struggle. Those are my favorite white people, okay? That potato haven't happened, they ain't. Let that shit go ever.

• 6:47Speaker 06

  No.

• 6:48Laci Mosley?

  Period.

• 6:48Speaker 06

  They will never let you forget.

• 6:49Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes I be at work, they serve us poke bowls and there be some potatoes on the side. I'm like, why are potatoes on the side of the poke bowl? They serve it with every meal, breakfast, you got, I got fruit and oatmeal. They like, here's, here's some potatoes. I didn't ask for it. They were like, no.

• 7:01Speaker 06

  They love them.

• 7:01Laci Mosley?

  We got potatoes now and you're gonna eat them with every meal.

• 7:03Speaker 06

  They love them so much.

• 7:05Laci Mosley?

  So, let's just, um, we always ask to start this podcast, what is your relationship to scams? It could be anything. You love them, you hate them, you run a scam, you've been in a scam, pass the statute of limitations. We don't want the F to be in the eye, knocking on your door. But it could be anything and either of you can start.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  I mean, my relationship is, um, tight, I would say. Because, yeah, I, I am into a scam.

• 7:27Laci Mosley?

  You linked up, okay.

• 7:28Speaker 05

  I just, I like a white collar crime. I really do.

• 7:32Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  Maybe it's because I grew up in Brooklyn, you know, in sort of mafia country. Um, but I do, I, I just appreciate anybody that can get away with something. I don't know why, I just do. I like when people get away with shit.

• 7:45Laci Mosley?

  I do too. And like, sometimes we do talk about scammers who are on the lam. So like, if they're still on the lam, that's kinda cunty to me. I'm like, okay, you better run from the law.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 7:53Laci Mosley?

  As long as you were doing something that wasn't harming everyday people.

• 7:57Speaker 05

  Exactly. I'm talking about nonviolent, you know, sort of.

• 7:59Laci Mosley?

  Nonviolent, but also non, like punching down. Like if you're scamming people who really need their money, but if you're scamming corporations, we all know they robbing us, so.

• 8:06Speaker 06

  A scam of equal or above.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 8:09Speaker 06

  Never scam down.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  That I'm interested in. But I, but I also have been victim to a scam, which was less fun and.

• 8:16Laci Mosley?

  And what was that?

• 8:17Speaker 05

  Well, I was one of those toll bitches.

• 8:19Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 8:22Laci Mosley?

  Toll bitches is crazy.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  You know, I mean, but here's, they got me so good because it was.

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  Wait, now, wait, you gotta, before you get to how they got you, I need you to define what a toll bitch is.

• 8:32Speaker 05

  You know, but I'll tell you. So, you know, there's a scam where you get a text message, right?

• 8:36Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  And it's like, you just drove through a toll.

• 8:39Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:40Speaker 05

  Click on this link and pay, you know, the, whatever it is, the twenty dollars, whatever it is, the, the fee.

• 8:46Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we scanned your license plate, bitch. We got you. So give us the money.

• 8:49Speaker 05

  So here's what's crazy. I was actually on a toll road when I received the toll text.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  And it was, and speaking about, you know, punching down, it was during the fires. So we were literally like.

• 9:03Speaker 06

  The ultimate punch down.

• 9:04Laci Mosley?

  Were you evacuating?

• 9:06Speaker 05

  We were evacuating.

• 9:07Speaker 06

  So fucked up.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  So go fuck yourselves a little bit.

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  But can I say this though, if you were evacuating, then the least of my worries would be the motherfucking toll people. I'd be like, fuck y'all. Like, I don't have a home.

• 9:18Speaker 05

  But we were on such like high alert, my wife and I both, that when I, she, you know, I was like, alright, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the toll road. And you know, do you just, here, don't forget to pay it on the website. And I don't, you know, like.

• 9:29Speaker 06

  I like that this is being screamed as you're fleeing from flames. Don't forget to pay on the website.

• 9:33Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 9:34Laci Mosley?

  Not the tolls. Not the tolls. Your house might be burning down, but you're still worried about the tolls.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  And, and thank God my house was okay, but.

• 9:41Laci Mosley?

  Thank God. But it's wild to me though, that I was not in LA when this was happening. I'm still like, I hope my house is there when I get back. You are leaving from your house. You very much know it might be in danger. Thank God it wasn't.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  It was okay, yeah.

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  And you were spared. But you still are a responsible enough citizen to be like, oh, we can't have this toll.

• 9:58Speaker 06

  It's so Liz. Liz is such a responsible, good citizen.

• 10:02Speaker 05

  I love a scam. I would never do one. I don't have the conscience for it. I'm, I'm, my like neutral state is high anxiety. You know, I, I can't, I can't like get away with anything because I won't sleep at night. And my wife even more so, like she, I describe her as the most decent person I know. She's like entirely too decent.

• 10:19Laci Mosley?

  Two decent's marrying each other? Crazy.

• 10:22Speaker 06

  It's good plus good equals incredible.

• 10:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it is.

• 10:25Speaker 05

  I apologize.

• 10:26Laci Mosley?

  Although I'm like, I need like devious. If you're out there and you're devious.

• 10:30Speaker 06

  Devious.

• 10:31Speaker 05

  That's because you're a high millennial.

• 10:33Laci Mosley?

  You know what? I knew Liz was not gonna let that go. I knew she was not gonna let that shit go. It is specific. I'm sorry. I was a baby during on 11. I was, I knew that what happened though. I was watching Telemundo. They tell you everything. If you ever wrote a real tea, Telemundo. But so, they hit you up and they're like, "Hey girlie pop, you just ran this toll, you owe us $20."

• 10:55Speaker 05

  And I mean, look, literally, I had just been on the toll road.

• 10:58Speaker 06

  In fairness, in fairness to you.

• 11:00Laci Mosley?

  Well, it's a wide fish. They're not gonna catch everyone, but they know some of y'all gonna be on the toll road.

• 11:05Speaker 05

  Well, they caught this fucking guppy.

• 11:06Speaker 06

  This guppy got fished on the toll road.

• 11:08Laci Mosley?

  I don't even think that's guppy. Like, that's also them knowing that there is a tragedy happening where everyone's tra- like, traveling.

• 11:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, and no one's double checking. People are not double checking.

• 11:18Laci Mosley?

  Anytime there's not a door, scammers are looking for a window. So even during COVID, they were setting up a tent that they got from Home Depot and putting Q-ta- like, Q-tip swabs up people's noses and telling them they were testing for COVID for $200. Anytime there's an opportunity for scammers to gain, they're always opening new win- that's why scamming will never go away.

• 11:34Speaker 05

  Well, that's why this podcast is genius.

• 11:37Speaker 06

  And there were people, there were the, like, COVID testers.

• 11:40Laci Mosley?

  You got selling it, and then you got scamming it, right after.

• 11:42Speaker 06

  There were people who were COVID testing just in a booth that was like, it kind of looked like a scam, but people were so desperate. But then there was also that, like, major COVID testing place. Where were we all going?

• 11:53Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  Clear Hell, or whatever the hell it was called?

• 11:55Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 11:56Speaker 06

  That also turned out to be a scam.

• 11:58Laci Mosley?

  They had a good name.

• 11:59Speaker 06

  Same day.

• 12:00Laci Mosley?

  Clear?

• 12:01Speaker 06

  No, same day.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  No, no, no, it was same day health.

• 12:03Speaker 06

  It was same day health, and it turned out like...

• 12:05Speaker 05

  Full scam.

• 12:05Speaker 06

  Half of their-

• 12:06Laci Mosley?

  Same day health. You know, health is never coming the same day.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 12:11Speaker 06

  Well, you were paying to get that same day.

• 12:13Laci Mosley?

  You certainly were. I go to the doctor, and they're like, "Oh, it's gonna be a week till you get your blood results." Like, same day.

• 12:19Speaker 05

  That should've been our first clue.

• 12:21Speaker 06

  That should've been the first clue.

• 12:22Speaker 05

  But they were basically just telling some people, "Yeah, you're negative," but they never ran their blood.

• 12:26Speaker 06

  They were basically magic eight balling whether you had COVID or not.

• 12:30Laci Mosley?

  All everybody wanted was a negative. Anything that you're getting tested for where the positive is bad, all you want is a negative.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, I will, I will pay hundreds of dollars to get that same day negative, which was apparently meaningless.

• 12:42Speaker 05

  Meaningless.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  Anyway, sorry, the tolls.

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  No, so, so you're on the freeway, you're, you're, you're evading the foul, like, the fire.

• 12:49Speaker 05

  I'm evading the fire. I have my two-year-old in the backseat, you know, things are-

• 12:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, no, the baby.

• 12:53Speaker 06

  High stakes.

• 12:54Speaker 05

  The baby's there. I mean, it was like a high stakes, you know, high anxiety situation. Then we get the text and I honestly felt relieved because then now we don't have to like fish for the website and figure it out and pay it. And so I wasn't thinking clearly, obviously.

• 13:09Laci Mosley?

  It's a despot meter. You're in a desperate situation.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 13:12Laci Mosley?

  And that's when you're least likely to make like that pause. I always say in life, no matter what's happening, you at least have 45 seconds.

• 13:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:21Laci Mosley?

  You know, if it's like, oh, we have to pull the plug on a level one. You got 45 seconds. I ain't gonna die 45 seconds. Like if, if it's a situation where they're telling you you're in dire straits, you at least have 45 seconds to process slowly all the information that they've given you and decide if this is true or not. But when you're in a high intense pressure situation like that, you're just already just solving problems as quickly as you can because you don't want to surmount more problems because you already have huge problems.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  Exactly. Exactly. Thank you for understanding.

• 13:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 13:49Speaker 05

  And so this is where I should have known that I was being scammed. I put my credit card in.

• 13:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 13:56Speaker 05

  Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep. And they were, oh, sorry, there's an issue. Try another card.

• 14:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 14:02Speaker 05

  Guys, I want to run screaming out of this building because I'm so embarrassed that I fell for this.

• 14:06Laci Mosley?

  No, listen, this is a place where we erase shame because when people get ashamed of the scams that they've fallen for, they don't share the information and then those scammers continue doing what they're doing and proliferating the same plot and scheme. So this is a safe space. I've been scammed. A lot of my listeners have been scammed. We try to avoid scams in the future. This is no shade. If you watch my television show, you'll realize it's all about erasing shame. We don't, like, you're good.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

• 14:32Laci Mosley?

  You're honestly being a blessing right now to people.

• 14:35Speaker 05

  I appreciate that. I really do. I just like, you know, again, that Brooklyn girl in me is like, how did I fall for it?

• 14:41Laci Mosley?

  I feel like, uh, because you were running away from fire.

• 14:43Speaker 05

  Oh, thank you. I know.

• 14:45Speaker 06

  But I do feel like as a New York City person, which we both are.

• 14:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 14:48Speaker 06

  There is that feeling of like, nobody fucks with us.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 14:51Speaker 06

  We don't fall for this fucking shit. And yet.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  And yet, here we are.

• 14:55Laci Mosley?

  But have y'all realized the other side? You don't expose yourself to a much of like the shit because you don't engage. So then how would you know what the shit looks like? Cause you're not engaging. So then when a fire is threatening your home and you running away with your baby and your partner. Yes, that is a ripe time for scamming. Honestly, they just got lucky because I'm pretty sure they probably sent that text out to a lot of different people. And so they're fishing. And so they just got lucky because there was a tragedy happening. A lot of my friends and family, like people lost their homes, lost everything. And, and people were like, oh, well, the rich people lost their homes, like eat the rich. And yes, like, let's put some tahin on the, the mega rich. But there was a lot of people who lost homes that they worked for, who are not out here siphoning the money out of corporations and taking government welfare and ruining our lives.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  There was a lot of people who just lost their homes because they're in the wrong area. And now the insurance scam is that they won't even cover homes in that area. The places you need the insurance the most, the girls are like, actually, we can't do that because this is a Ponzi scheme. And y'all not Ponzi-ing hard enough because y'all keep wanting to get the money out of the Ponzi scheme. But so you're, you're driving away, you got your two-year-old, you got your partner. And they hit you up, they say, okay, wrong credit card, this one's not working, we need another card. What happens?

• 16:04Speaker 05

  Well, I think you see where this is going, guys. I put in another credit card, that one also, now I'm panicked. Now I'm like, I'll never be able to pay this toll because I'm a schmuck who is falling for this scam. I send the, the, the phone to my wife and I go, try one of yours.

• 16:23Speaker 06

  Oh my, so you literally just kept feeding every credit card that you guys have.

• 16:27Laci Mosley?

  With you, they were like, oh, send another one, send another one.

• 16:30Speaker 06

  That's ballsy as a scammer too, to not be like, okay, we got one credit card, let's get in and get out.

• 16:35Laci Mosley?

  But if they're fishing, but here's the thing, if they're fishing, they're probably not working alone. And if they have multiple cards, they're gonna probably try to hit them all at once.

• 16:42Speaker 06

  I mean, it's just a ballsy move is all I'm saying.

• 16:45Speaker 05

  And, and so she did.

• 16:47Laci Mosley?

  Scamming is like being at the casino, when you hot, you hot, you gotta bet.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're right. Cherry, cherry, cherry.

• 16:52Speaker 06

  You know what it is? I'm not smart enough to play any other games. Like, I don't know how to play, like, do any gambling. So when I go-

• 17:00Laci Mosley?

  There's too many episodes about me teaching people how to gamble at this point. But I could take you to Vegas and make you wanna-

• 17:05Speaker 06

  I mean-

• 17:05Laci Mosley?

  Now they're friends, now they're friends, Vegas, baby! Jesse, Jesse, you got that new beginner's flag.

• 17:10Speaker 06

  I, oh my god, I'm just blowing on my dice, that's a move, right?

• 17:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but anyway, everybody who listens to this podcast already knows about it. I swear I don't have a gambling problem, you can only gamble in Vegas, okay?

• 17:22Speaker 06

  Well, now that you've gamble- I mean, we might need to give some of this money to poor Liz, who apparently gave it away to the toll scammers.

• 17:27Speaker 05

  Yes, so, so they, you know, I mean, we're, you know, we escaped for a few days and literally on my way back to LA, once we knew our house was okay, I started getting alerts, like, being like, "Did you purchase, you know, $600 worth of, like, gift cards from Best Buy?"

• 17:46Speaker 06

  And you're like, "I don't think I did."

• 17:49Speaker 05

  And here's the thing, like, that's not even a good scam. Like, come on, that's the best they can do?

• 17:54Speaker 06

  I, yeah.

• 17:55Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, it low-key kind of is, because gift cards are untraceable. So, once they have the money on a gift card, then that's cash everywhere else that they go. And it's not traced back to the card that they stole it from.

• 18:07Speaker 06

  Oh, wow, you really know stuff, you really know stuff.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  If you were actually running the biggest scam ring in the world, because you know all about it. This is what you should do next.

• 18:15Laci Mosley?

  Now you're motivating me to scam people!

• 18:17Speaker 06

  I know, she's like, "Honey, I'm doing it right now."

• 18:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's like, "What do you think this is?"

• 18:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, "Why do you think you had to sign in at the desk?"

• 18:25Laci Mosley?

  Wow, not these air quotes. Your cell phone!

• 18:29Speaker 06

  Whatever, I'm making it so hot. I will say, the last time I had my credit card information bamboozled away from me, the way I found out was I got an alert from Expedia, which said, "Time to board your flight to Paris." And I was like-

• 18:46Speaker 05

  It's those French people, I'm telling you.

• 18:48Speaker 06

  The French, they fucking got me.

• 18:51Speaker 05

  That's rough.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  But I was like, "I really don't think I'm, I don't think I remember buying a trip to Paris."

• 18:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, you'd remember something like that.

• 18:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I sure didn't.

• 18:58Laci Mosley?

  So, they got two of your cards and one of your wife's cards.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Oh, no, no, three, I think, yeah, three altogether, because we share our, you know, we're betrothed, so we share everything. What's mine is hers and vice versa.

• 19:09Laci Mosley?

  What scams is hers?

• 19:10Speaker 05

  What scams is mine, a scam is hers, as the old adage goes.

• 19:14Speaker 06

  That's part of the vows.

• 19:17Laci Mosley?

  I promise to love, be scammed.

• 19:20Speaker 06

  Be scammed.

• 19:21Speaker 05

  And give out $600 worth of Best Buy gift cards indiscriminately.

• 19:25Speaker 06

  I'm reeling from the best buy.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  But yeah, but I just was like, I truly, and I appreciate you relieving me of the shame because it is a shame I carry around because I like to think that I'm an intelligent person.

• 19:35Laci Mosley?

  You are. This does not make you not smart.

• 19:37Speaker 05

  I know.

• 19:38Laci Mosley?

  And the thing is, is like, people attribute intellect to so many stupid things. I personally think that everyone is smart in a different way. And I don't know why we've all ascribed to trying to be smart in the same way. That's not how it works. Look, I am smart in the spaces of entertainment or writing or things like that, but you asked me to look under a sink and fix a motherfucking plumbing. Guess what? I'm a fucking dummy. But you know what? There's somebody else who can do that, who's smart. You asked me like how to build a house. I don't know how to build a house. I can't roof nothing. But there are geniuses who know how to do that. I think that everyone just has to find their own lane and find confidence in the fact that everything that we do all contributes to the world and wherever your genius is, is where your genius lies. But there's a lot of people when it comes to scams,

• 20:17Laci Mosley?

  especially rich people or people, honestly, of any class caliber, who think if I got scammed, that means that I was tricked and that I'm stupid. No, we all have needs. That's a part of being alive. If you were born out of your mama coochie and they sat you on a sidewalk, guess how long you would live? Not very long. We all need help.

• 20:35Speaker 05

  I think that.

• 20:36Laci Mosley?

  Guess what?

• 20:37Speaker 05

  I didn't know we were going there and I appreciate it.

• 20:39Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying, we all need help. We all have needs.

• 20:41Speaker 06

  This is a kind, sweet outlook on life. I feel very refreshed by this, like, genuine, it seems, love of humanity.

• 20:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because scammers know how to exploit needs. So no matter what it is, like, you do have a need and I hate that sometimes we feel this shame where we don't share the information because we don't want people to think that we're foolhardy and then nobody gets the information. And that's good for the scammer because they can keep doing the same bullshit because no one's talking.

• 21:04Speaker 05

  No, you're right. So I guess what I'm here to tell you is if you get a text after you've just driven on a toll road.

• 21:10Speaker 06

  And you're fleeing a fire.

• 21:11Speaker 05

  And you're fleeing a fire.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  With your family.

• 21:13Speaker 05

  With your two-year-old in the back.

• 21:13Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 21:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 21:14Speaker 05

  And they are asking for your credit card number.

• 21:16Speaker 06

  Take 45 seconds.

• 21:18Speaker 05

  Take 45 seconds.

• 21:20Speaker 06

  That is wisdom for life.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  That is wisdom for life.

• 21:22Laci Mosley?

  And think about the fact that like, those types of charges always come in the mail. There are. Places where if you get in HOV lane and then you don't got nobody in that second spot, you don't got no baby, you don't got no family, they will take a picture of your license plate and charge you. If you're speeding, there are certain red lights, normally in richer neighborhoods that have cameras that will take a picture of your license plate if you go through a red or if you're speeding, right? Those always come through the mail. So if anybody is texting you, that's not serious. That's very unserious. The DMV does not text. Think about how long it takes when you go to the DMV. You pull your little fucking number. You don't even get a sandwich at the end. You pull your motherfucking number like you're at the deli and you sit next to the people you would never see in your life for hours. And they got the worst shit on the TV if they got a TV at all. And then you get up to the counter

• 22:06Laci Mosley?

  and you're dealing with the most fed up grandmother you've ever met.

• 22:09Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 22:10Laci Mosley?

  And that's what happens at the DMV. They are not sending out quick texts in mail for you to pay them. They're sending out snail mail through the USPS.

• 22:19Speaker 05

  Had I taken even 39 seconds, I probably would have come to that.

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• 25:30Laci Mosley?

  Cards! I just have to ask you the same question. What's your relationship with scams?

• 25:36Speaker 06

  Well, I, I think I have always lived in deep fear, anxiety, and paranoia about being scammed.

• 25:45Laci Mosley?

  Can be hurt.

• 25:46Speaker 06

  Again, yes, kind of an energy I give off.

• 25:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 06

  But again, I think a little of the New York City-ness is like, I'm street smart, like, I cannot be fucked with. And yet... And yet, collective congregation takes breath. I, so I hadn't thought about this until I walked in the door.

• 26:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wow. Not the energy of the room was giving.

• 26:11Speaker 06

  Okay, so when I was in high school. This is an old, this is why this is like the most shameful scam is because I, by the way, coming in, you said late millennial, I would describe myself as early Gen X. So picture, it's the 1940s. But no, it was an in-person scam when I was in high school.

• 26:33Laci Mosley?

  In-person?

• 26:34Speaker 06

  Yes, I'm walking home.

• 26:36Laci Mosley?

  There's all types of industries.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  I'm walking home from school, from high school. And I have like my headphones on of my yellow sports Sony Walkman. And these two, I don't know, they were 20-somethings come up to me and they're like, I like take my headphones in. And they were like, hey, this is so embarrassing. I have not talked about this in 1,000 years. They're like, hey, do you, um, how are you doing today?

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, boy. Already. A greeting, salutation.

• 27:07Speaker 06

  It's going bad. I'm like, whatever you want, I'll give it to you. No, they were like, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm good. What's up? And they're like, so do you, they're like, do you like magazines? And I said.

• 27:17Laci Mosley?

  I remember the scam.

• 27:18Speaker 06

  Do you remember the scam?

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  I do.

• 27:20Speaker 06

  I had never even heard of the scam and I haven't heard of it since.

• 27:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I've heard of the start of this. Do you like magazines?

• 27:25Speaker 06

  Do you like magazines? And I was like, uh, love them. Yes, please. They were like, we're selling discount magazines. And this is also, again, another time and place when like I did used to love getting a magazine, a Rolling Stone.

• 27:38Laci Mosley?

  Do you remember what you were listening to in your Walkman?

• 27:40Speaker 06

  Probably Nirvana, Nevermind.

• 27:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Okay, something in your head might have been banging a little bit.

• 27:46Speaker 06

  I'm just, yeah, I'm just obviously very cool.

• 27:48Laci Mosley?

  You're vibing.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  I'm vibing. I'm 15. I am clearly an easy fucking mark. So they're like, do you like magazines? We have discount subscriptions. I was like, they're like, do you want to hear more? And I was like, well, not opposed. And then they were, so they, they start talking about like, well, we're offering like a bundle of like Rolling Stone premiere interview, like. You know, Gen X bullshit.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  And to be clear, there's no World Wide Web at this point. You know what I mean?

• 28:13Speaker 06

  No, we got it all from the magazine. World Wide Web is not a sperm in outdoors or whoever the fuck invented it. No, there's no internet.

• 28:21Speaker 05

  Magazines were our connection to culture.

• 28:24Speaker 06

  Magazines were our only connection to culture. There is no internet. So I'm getting, I would say, a little alarm bell at this point. But I also, I'm like a teenage girl, so I don't know how to tell anyone no or stop. So, but I'm also like, they're really friendly. It's a man and a woman. Like, I'm not, so anyway, then they're like, they're like, so it's like $25 and you could pay cash right now for these subscription stuff. I was like, ah, I don't know. And then they're like, well, are you hungry or thirsty? Like, there was a Blimpy, and they're like, we could like buy you a soda and go talk, go talk about it at Blimpy, which I gotta say, weak spot. Do love a Blimpy.

• 29:07Speaker 05

  Blimpy was like the subway of our time.

• 29:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if you know what Blimpy is.

• 29:12Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 29:12Speaker 05

  Which is very important. Very important.

• 29:14Speaker 06

  So they take me into Blimpy. Blimpies?

• 29:17Speaker 05

  Blimpy.

• 29:18Speaker 06

  Blimpies.

• 29:19Speaker 05

  Blimpy?

• 29:19Speaker 06

  No way to know.

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  Blimpy? Let's pull it up.

• 29:20Speaker 06

  Pull it up.

• 29:21Laci Mosley?

  I think you're probably right. Like, Jesse, I'm thinking you have a very strong Elefante memory, and I feel like it's probably a Blimpy.

• 29:28Speaker 06

  And Elefante never forgets famously. Anyway, I go into the place. They buy me a soda, and like, they were like, do you want us to buy you a sandwich? I was like, maybe? Anyway, then they're like taking out magazines.

• 29:42Speaker 05

  It's just Blimpy, guys.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  Yep, see? Two for two, two for two.

• 29:46Speaker 06

  What if my face came up when you did the Blimpy? I'm pretty close. So anyway, the point is, by the end of the soda, they were like, I felt like I was in so deep that now it would be rude for me to not buy this bundle of magazine subscriptions.

• 30:05Laci Mosley?

  They give a little to get more.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  They're giving a little to get more. And so, I also, again, teenage girl, I don't know how much cash I had on me. Maybe, I think I was like, I have, this is what should have really been the final nail in the coffin of the scam, was they were like, so it's like $25, adjust for inflation. Again, it's 1958.

• 30:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, $25 went a long way.

• 30:27Speaker 06

  It went a long way. And again, I'm a child, but I was like, oh, I only have 20. And they were like, that's fine, that's fine.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  Snatch it real quick.

• 30:36Speaker 06

  Okay, and then I, and then they were like, okay, have a great day, bye bye. And then I walk home and as I'm walking, I'm like.

• 30:44Laci Mosley?

  Did they get your address?

• 30:45Speaker 06

  Hmm, yes.

• 30:47Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 30:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay. So then I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, I don't have a great feeling. And then I get home and I'm, I get to my parents and I'm like, can I get her, can I, can I take a temp from you guys on what just happened to me? And they're like, what? And I tell them, I'm like, I, I, I think I just subscribed to a couple of magazines. And they were like, what? And as I told them, they truly were like, you dumb fuck. Who have we raised that we, she fell for such a truly, I mean, this makes Toll Roads look like nothing.

• 31:27Speaker 05

  Well, you were a child. I was 47.

• 31:30Speaker 06

  Okay, that's true, but I will say then, poor me, my parents were like.

• 31:35Laci Mosley?

  The technology had advanced, these people were reaching out to your personal device.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  They were in your device.

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  These people were reaching out to her on the streets. Typically, this is a door to door scam. They usually go knocking on doors, but they saw you cute, walking, listening to your Nirvana. And they were like, she, she likes magazines.

• 31:51Speaker 06

  I did like, I mean, they just knew I liked magazines. And then I will, the end of the story is just very sadly, I would say for like the next three months.

• 31:58Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you were waiting for the magazines?

• 32:00Speaker 06

  I was waiting a little bit for the magazines to show up.

• 32:04Laci Mosley?

  They were coming, babes.

• 32:05Speaker 06

  Honey, they didn't.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  They didn't show up.

• 32:07Speaker 06

  Would you believe, not a one.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Honestly?

• 32:11Laci Mosley?

  But also, I probably guess, were those people kind of young to you? They must have been around an age that you felt comfortable.

• 32:17Speaker 06

  I mean, they were probably 24, 25.

• 32:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so they're around an age that you feel comfortable. I bet you they probably were being scammed themselves to out here, hustle magazines. And maybe they wised up and realized like, if we take cash from people with all of these legitimate things that we have that the scam company gave us, that we could just keep the cash and move on. And they weren't looking for that much cash.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  They are in the presence of genius.

• 32:41Speaker 06

  Okay, you are opening my fucking eyes right now. Holy smoke. I mean, the Best Buy card alone thing rocked me.

• 32:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, you fucking know your shit.

• 32:51Laci Mosley?

  I have to, but also like they couldn't keep using your card. They would have been stopped, so they had to get some cash equivalent that they could like not be traceable so that they could go and get their coins.

• 33:02Speaker 06

  Guys, what if when I get home tonight, I open my mailbox and there is like a very dirty raggedy magazine that's been forwarded to me from the past?

• 33:10Speaker 05

  They've been trying to find you this whole time.

• 33:12Speaker 06

  It's finally here.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  It's a 1992 Rolling Stones.

• 33:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 33:16Speaker 06

  Kurt Cobain.

• 33:17Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 33:18Laci Mosley?

  It's a rom com, Kurt Cobain, the man of the future.

• 33:21Speaker 06

  The man from the future.

• 33:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 33:23Speaker 06

  R I P and bless.

• 33:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes, well, let's get into my favorite segment here. Historic hoodwinkings. This is where I will regale, listen just with famous cons capers, group of criminals. We'll see if we like them or we hate them. Much of this story is based on the Netflix documentary Con Mum, so we're gonna put that out there.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  I did watch that.

• 33:42Laci Mosley?

  Wonderful, so um, let's get started. A glamorous elderly jet setter claimed to be a British pastry chef's long-lost mother, showering him with money and gifts. He left his life behind to follow her around the world, but he ended up getting taken for a ride, literally and figuratively.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  Uh oh.

• 34:03Laci Mosley?

  This is not a link, yep.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Mm hmm, total road.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  So, the pastry chef, lots of people who know Michelin star pastry chef Graham Hornigold. It's, it says horny gold, but we're gonna say. I mean, horny for the gold.

• 34:17Speaker 06

  Horny for the gold.

• 34:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and look at him doing that pose, okay.

• 34:21Speaker 06

  I mean, you can just change your name any day you want.

• 34:23Laci Mosley?

  So, a lot of people know who he is. He's been on TV as a judge on Junior Bake Off, and he has his own chain of high-end doughnut shops and cafes in London called Long Boys Doughnuts. He was named UK pastry chef of the year in 2007. Look at him over here.

• 34:37Speaker 06

  Oh, those do look delicious.

• 34:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they look kinda like hot dogs, but for sugar.

• 34:41Speaker 06

  I mean, what's on the, I was, is that a radish on the right? What's going on on the right?

• 34:45Laci Mosley?

  I mean, he got Michelin stars, so you know they gotta have some like.

• 34:48Speaker 06

  Rhubarb, it's a rhubarb, I think. Okay, okay. Yeah, these two look good. These two look good.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  They do.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  Horny, I'm horny for Hornigold.

• 34:55Laci Mosley?

  And it looks like he's got like the citrus, but he candied it a little bit.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, it looks like a little candied orange peel right there.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  That's right, and I do like that.

• 35:01Laci Mosley?

  Fancy. This is the fanciest way to end this.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  I see a whole peanut.

• 35:04Laci Mosley?

  So much sugar. You're right, that's a legume. He got the whole legume up in there.

• 35:09Speaker 06

  Okay, he's not playing.

• 35:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I didn't even see the peanut. Coffee beans, like, what's going on?

• 35:13Speaker 06

  And I have to say, like, I am very jealous of anyone who has the ability to, like, do, like, a little pastry bag.

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  Like a little art.

• 35:20Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. And then he's Michelin star.

• 35:22Speaker 06

  He's Michelin star. He's Hornigold.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  Presentation comes into play. And look, he's with some young people who I don't know who those people are, but he's posed up. Who are those people, Jess?

• 35:31Speaker 05

  They're British people, I bet.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  They're Junior Bake Off people. So he's on the show and he's like, and you know, Junior Bake Off really was blowing up definitely during COVID too. But this is like, so 2007, he was already established.

• 35:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:43Laci Mosley?

  So, he was born in Germany on an army base and moved to England with his father and stepmother when he was young. His dad never talked about his biological mom or anything else, really. So all Graham had to go on was his birth certificate, which said his mother's name was Hatton Hornigold, formerly Mahmoud. Um, so I'm interested here because the mom had the same last name that he does.

• 36:07Speaker 06

  That also has bumped me right away.

• 36:09Laci Mosley?

  So were they married? Like, was the dad married to her? Or, like, it does say formerly Mahmoud, which means maybe the mom was married to the man at some point. I will say, a dad who takes custody of his child probably would not tell you their mom's information because when does that ever happen? Men do not take custody of their kids. And if they do, that really feels like a punishment to them. Women do it all the time. And, uh, listen, if you're out there and you listen to this, or you have a partner whose daddy ran away, which is probably a lot of y'all, please tell him to stop blaming the parent who stayed, because that's the only motherfucker who stayed. Y'all making up all types of whimsical ass dreams about the person who left your ass, and that's all you know for a fact. But then the person who stayed, you want to get mad at them. You want to hate women. What's going on?

• 36:51Laci Mosley?

  They stayed and fed you. They could have left you at the fire department. Be serious.

• 36:55Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  But the reverse is true here. In this case, it's his father who raised him. The mother.

• 37:02Laci Mosley?

  But I feel like mothers, and this is obviously gonna be like a broad stroke, but a lot of mothers whose father figure for the child leaves the picture, they typically don't talk shit about the father who left. And they, and I'm not saying that of all mothers, but

• 37:18Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 37:18Laci Mosley?

  at least in my pole of reality of a broad stroke, like, they're the person who stayed, and if the other person decide, the dad's like, wants to, listen, I've said this before, it was years ago.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  Very real right now.

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  It was years ago, but I'm staying with my broad stroke generalization here for a reason. There's even advertisement that appears in L.A. sometimes that is literally billboards and on bus benches and shit that says, "Take time to be a dad."

• 37:41Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 37:41Laci Mosley?

  When we have to advertise for you to be a father.

• 37:45Speaker 05

  Great point.

• 37:46Speaker 06

  Great.

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  Have you ever seen a "Take Time to be a Mom" ad?

• 37:49Speaker 05

  Absolutely not.

• 37:50Speaker 06

  No, never, not in my entire life. No.

• 37:53Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 37:53Speaker 06

  No.

• 37:54Laci Mosley?

  Once they leave the coochie, it's not all Gucci. Mothers, love your kid. No, no.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, but by the way, that, that, that would sell me.

• 38:03Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 38:03Speaker 05

  I mean, no, here's the thing, I did see this documentary, so I know the story that you're telling, so I know.

• 38:08Laci Mosley?

  So you know that the team is gonna change, yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 06

  I see, I'm coming in cold as ice, I know nothing.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  I, I'm coming in a little colder too. So, but what I do wanna say is a sweeping generalization. I told you, it's not perfect. It's not, it doesn't account for every mother.

• 38:22Speaker 06

  We're here.

• 38:22Laci Mosley?

  I'm not saying they're all perfect, but what I'm saying is, is that a dad not telling you who your mom is, like, don't immediately red flag that. Now, in this situation, you might, but like, again, this is one situation.

• 38:32Speaker 06

  I'm hearing alarm bells, go on.

• 38:33Laci Mosley?

  So in 2020, right after the pandemic started, Graham was quarantined with his romantic and business partner Heather. A lot of y'all got married that way. The quarantine happened, y'all were like, let's make it for real. And then I had to go to a lot of weddings in 2022.

• 38:47Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  Um, so they're quarantined, right? Heather's also a pastry chef and a native of New Zealand, New Zealand. They were expecting their first baby.

• 38:58Laci Mosley?

  Everything was going really well in life and it seemed like the final missing piece was completing the puzzle when he got a random email from a woman named Dionne, or Dionne, who said she was his mother and wanted to reconnect. And now, this is why I'll say my sweeping generalization works here because if your mother's not in your life, like, you will, I mean, this is true for fathers too, but like, if there's a parent who's not in your life, I'll say that, if they want to reach out, you will be open to it, even if you're a Michelin star chef and you poppin' and you on TV, you still want to know where you came from.

• 39:33Speaker 06

  Look, again, I fell for fucking magazines.

• 39:37Laci Mosley?

  So a mom is like lightweight.

• 39:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, the mermaid allure. I have an email that's like, I'm your long lost mom.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  I don't know why I feel like I have to defend this guy, but I will say that some, a detail that you do learn in the documentary, which doesn't give anything away just yet, is that his father did not treat him well.

• 39:55Laci Mosley?

  Mmm, shocker.

• 39:56Speaker 06

  This is texture, this is texture.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Cause he was mad that he had to be the only parent. He was like, how's Jerry you, this is your coochie baby.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  So it wasn't a great situation, so I feel like he probably had a little bit of a hole in his heart.

• 40:09Laci Mosley?

  Probably a lot of a hole, it sounds like one parent didn't want you and the other one left, so you know they didn't want you, so, mhm. So, they're expecting their first baby, now you probably think about grandparents, like, who's gonna be Gigi, who's gonna, Pop Pop obviously don't want to be in the picture, so, you know, this seems perfect.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  Can I just say, well, we're on this, and again, broad stroke, and I'm sorry because I might be offending people in the room, I don't love when grandparents decide they want like a cool name that's not grandma or grandpa. I, I just feel like sometimes, broad strokes, it feels like an attempt to like not be a grandma or a grandpa, to not be old, it's like, you know what, instead of calling me grandma, call me Cher, and it's like, ah, you're still the grandmother, okay, sorry, I interrupted.

• 41:00Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but listen, it depends on how old they are when you have grandchildren.

• 41:04Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 41:04Speaker 06

  It could.

• 41:06Laci Mosley?

  Cause if you're a 47-year-old grandma, you might want to be Gigi.

• 41:11Speaker 06

  You might want to be Gigi, I'm just...

• 41:14Speaker 05

  My, my granddaughter does call her grandmother Gaga, but that is only because she could not say the word grandma.

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• 44:27Speaker 03

  And fraud!

• 44:29Laci Mosley?

  So, email mom. Graham didn't believe her, right? He responded, "Is this for real? No jokes, scams, etc." So immediately, it's like, "Is this for real?" Now, here's the thing. If you didn't think it was for real, the right thing to do is just not respond. I say that all the time. You get a weird phone call? Guess what you can do over the phone? Hang up, baby!

• 44:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, you'll go, "Are you scamming me?"

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. You don't even got to do that. You could just hang up. Now, if you like a little ride, I know all of us, some of us have become accustomed to seeing a scam through. Sometimes some shit is weird, and I'm like, "Let me just go on this journey, because I want to know where it ends."

• 45:00Speaker 05

  Make a friend.

• 45:01Laci Mosley?

  And a lot of times, the scammers cut me off, because I'll be too engaged. And they'll be like, "Ah, nah, she's on to it." And I'm like, "Damn it, come on, talk back to me. I want to know." But yeah, I understand going on the ride for a little bit. But if something seems weird, just like we said, 45 seconds? You've got more than 45 seconds in this situation. Just let that shit rock. Let it rock. So Graham asked her if she knew his middle name. A trick question, because he doesn't have one. And what her maiden name was on his birth certificate. She got the answers right. So he started to believe this could really be her. Now, let's not forget that some of this stuff is public record, Graham. And if you're on television and you've been in the public eye, people will go into your details, your address, your phone number. Like, if you are someone who's in the public eye, please buy your homes in a trust, because if your real name is on the home,

• 45:45Laci Mosley?

  it is public record and people will know where you live.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  You can also get your name scrubbed from the internet with any personal details.

• 45:51Laci Mosley?

  These are things to know, yeah. But you have to make an effort to...

• 45:56Laci Mosley?

  Later. Okay, Jesse, by the time this airs, I'm gonna need you to have your information off the internet. My fans are very nice. The congregation is wonderful, but just, you know, we should always be prepared. So Dion said she lived in Singapore and ran multiple businesses around the world, mostly in palm oil farming. But she happened to be in the UK at the moment.

• 46:19Laci Mosley?

  And invited Graham and Heather to her hotel room in Liverpool, a four-hour drive from London. They met up and Graham felt an instant bond. Even though he was 45 years old and Dion was in her 80s, he felt like a happy baby for the first time. Now, I will say...

• 46:34Speaker 06

  My heart is racing right now.

• 46:37Laci Mosley?

  Anybody in their 80s who black and look enough like me, I might be like, "Mama! Mama! Mama? Mama, is that true?" Also, like, meeting up in person is something that's definitely gonna lower your guard, because, look, they kinda look similar.

• 46:53Speaker 06

  Okay, you know what?

• 46:54Laci Mosley?

  Also, someone in their 80s...

• 46:56Speaker 06

  It's not unbelievable.

• 46:58Laci Mosley?

  Elderly people, which I start in the 80s, elderly people and babies have the same kinda risk, where it's like...

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  I've met maybe one or two babies that I don't fuck with, but the rest of the babies have good vibes. I'm like, "It's a baby, give me the baby." And that's the same thing with elderly people. I'm like, "It's an old person, give me the old person."

• 47:18Speaker 06

  They would never, they would never.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  They don't have the time, the energy, the bandwidth.

• 47:23Speaker 05

  Oh, keep reading.

• 47:24Laci Mosley?

  They all got diapers and Depends.

• 47:25Speaker 06

  But now, I don't wanna jump the story. This question will jump the story, never mind.

• 47:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, well, we'll get to it. And I want your insight when we get there.

• 47:33Speaker 06

  Okay, okay.

• 47:34Laci Mosley?

  But so, you know, he felt like a baby for the first time. He's obviously had to be his own man. Like, you know, he got in this pastry industry. He's a hustler. He has his whole life going out for him and stuff. But we all still long for family and familialship. So I understand why he ran into this. Oh, look, she got mammy titties. So those are the titties that you hug and cry on. Oh, forgot the same kind of titties. Those are the kind of titties you just get in there and you're like.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  I mean, I'm gonna be honest, he's got the titties that you hug.

• 47:57Speaker 06

  They both have cry on the titties.

• 47:59Laci Mosley?

  They can go bad for bad. They can go teat for teat.

• 48:01Speaker 06

  He might be thinking, she's my mom, because I got her titties.

• 48:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they can hug and cry.

• 48:06Speaker 06

  These are genetically my titties.

• 48:07Speaker 05

  I mean, we've got identical titties.

• 48:09Laci Mosley?

  So pretty soon, he started acting like a baby too, because he was like, this is my mammy titty.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  And I gotta say, they both do kind of look like babies.

• 48:17Laci Mosley?

  I mean, they do. They got that like honey bun face. The one I imagine is like honey bun baby growing into is like that round cheek cherub. They both kind of got like an almost dimple, like.

• 48:27Speaker 06

  Yes, zoom in.

• 48:29Laci Mosley?

  She got the skin tone right. The eyes are a little small.

• 48:33Speaker 06

  I would buy.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  I mean, this is a.

• 48:35Speaker 06

  And she's also, just to say, she is not like, that is one of the most innocent hats I've ever seen.

• 48:40Laci Mosley?

  It is.

• 48:41Speaker 06

  Like, no one in this.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  She's dressed like a baby. You've seen so many babies at the beach with that same motherfucking hat on.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 48:48Laci Mosley?

  Be serious. That's a baby at the beach hat, okay?

• 48:50Speaker 06

  That's a baby at the beach.

• 48:51Speaker 05

  Scammers don't wear bucket hats.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  No, not with these little blue spirals.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  No.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  And she got it tipped up a little bit, just like a cute little baby at the beach.

• 48:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. And this is breaking my heart truly, this picture.

• 49:01Laci Mosley?

  Baby mom. So maximizing mom time. Dion told Graham she was dying of three kinds of cancer.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  Not one, not two.

• 49:10Laci Mosley?

  But three.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Don't protest too much.

• 49:13Laci Mosley?

  The cancers linked up and they all kill her.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  Talk about hat on a hat.

• 49:17Speaker 06

  Three kinds of cancer.

• 49:19Laci Mosley?

  Listen, she said, you need to know I'm for sure die. Because maybe one cancer, he could be like, we could beat this, mama. You know, depending on what type it is. There's so many beatable types of cancers, so there's a lot of hope. But then you get two, even two, like, we might still have a chance. But three, I feel like is a threshold where people are like, okay.

• 49:34Speaker 06

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 49:34Laci Mosley?

  She's like, I have three kinds of cancer, my cancer is AIDS. I'm dying, I'm dead.

• 49:39Speaker 06

  Grandma.

• 49:39Laci Mosley?

  And my cancer got another cancer on top of me.

• 49:41Speaker 06

  Yes, that's so much cancer.

• 49:43Laci Mosley?

  So their mother-son time would be limited to the six months that she had left to live. Even though he was about to become a dad for the first time and would be needed a lot at home, Graham felt he should spend a lot of Dion's remaining time with her, so he did. He spent time in her five-star London hotel on the Thames while she racked up $10,000 of charges. She usually ordered caviar and only drank champagne. Now, listen, she's also presenting herself as someone who's independently wealthy.

• 50:14Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, the photo! Yes.

• 50:15Laci Mosley?

  Not the wedding photo where y'all swapping glasses of Moet. I know a rosé champagne when I see one.

• 50:21Speaker 06

  The relationship's getting weird in this picture.

• 50:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean, they only got six months. They gotta rack it up, okay?

• 50:27Speaker 06

  They gotta take as many iconic photos.

• 50:28Laci Mosley?

  They gotta get intimate real fast.

• 50:29Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 50:30Laci Mosley?

  And also, this would disarm you as someone who's making money, who has TV credibility, because you're meeting this person at their own nice hotel that you're assuming they're paying for, so why would they want anything from you because they're already balling out, right?

• 50:42Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 50:43Laci Mosley?

  And so she's like, "I got six months left. Let's drink the champagne. Let's eat this caviar. Let's turn up, little baby son." So...

• 50:49Speaker 06

  Bucket hat, bucket list.

• 50:51Laci Mosley?

  Bucket hat, bucket list.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  Hashtag hat, bucket list. Buckets, hashtag buckets.

• 50:57Laci Mosley?

  So concierges at the best London hotels knew Dion well, acting like she had stayed with them many times and was one of their best customers. So every time they walk through the lobby, they're like, "Oh, it's Miss Dion. Oh, Miss Dion, do you need us to take your luggage out? Oh, another glass of Moet. So would you like some..."

• 51:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, so what would you think?

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Caviar, crème de thé.

• 51:15Speaker 06

  Wait, they're in on it?

• 51:17Laci Mosley?

  No, they just are treating her like a VIP because she's obviously renting out one of the most expensive places.

• 51:23Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 51:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes, people are gonna make assumptions about where your room is in the hotel, whether they know if the wire transfer food is coming through or not, like Anna Delvey-style. Like, you know, especially if you give a cute amount of little tips, you give some hundred pounds out here and there, the girlies who work there are gonna be like, "Oh, they tip us well. They don't know what you're paying for the bill."

• 51:40Speaker 06

  A quid there, a pound there.

• 51:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, and the longer you stay, everything is closed up at the end of your stay at most hotels, so the longer you stay, if you give a little... They're gonna expect that you were

• 51:50Speaker 05

  You give front end generosity for back end support.

• 51:53Laci Mosley?

  And she's older, so they're looking like she's probably spending the rest of her little old fortune. There, a lot of people make assumptions based on how you look, how you act, how you dress. Like, that's what we do as people. And so, you know, someone coming in at 80, looking sweet and docile with a bucket hat and a bucket list, and a bucket of champagne.

• 52:10Speaker 06

  And a bucket, triple bucket, back to Vegas, back to slots.

• 52:14Laci Mosley?

  Triple cancer.

• 52:15Speaker 06

  Bucket, bucket, bucket.

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  Triple bucket. Okay.

• 52:18Speaker 06

  She works in threes, like a good comedian should. Three's, okay, go on. I am literally talking about on the hook. Keep going.

• 52:25Laci Mosley?

  So employees at her many farms and businesses often rang her on the phone and all called her mum or grandma as a term of affection. So Dionne told Graham her wealth came from her businesses and her, like, from her being an illegitimate child of the former Sultan of Brunei.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  Red flag.

• 52:42Laci Mosley?

  Now, anytime we're giving royalty.

• 52:46Speaker 06

  I feel like we blew past red flag at the email, but go on.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  But I mean, that was.

• 52:50Laci Mosley?

  The email actually wasn't that wild.

• 52:52Speaker 05

  No, I mean, like, she got the, she got the information correct. She's staying at a hotel, she seems to have money, she's spending the money.

• 52:58Laci Mosley?

  And if you're a public figure who's been on some television shows, it's not that bizarre to be like, to see someone on TV and be like, oh, that is my long lost son. And the email, and she guessed that there was no middle name and the marital last name of hers.

• 53:13Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 53:14Laci Mosley?

  Cause why would he? So she's.

• 53:15Speaker 06

  Sorry, I'm screaming.

• 53:16Laci Mosley?

  So now, now she's telling Graham that she is the illegitimate child of the Sultan of Brunei, right? Which also now connects him to the Sultan, right? Because that's the illegitimate child who had a child, right? So now he thinking like, I got some Sultan status. You know, look at the Sultan of Brunei, like drip down, sunglasses.

• 53:34Speaker 06

  What is happening right now?

• 53:35Laci Mosley?

  Mustachio, that is a well-grew mustachio.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  An Oakley sunglass? That seems weird.

• 53:41Laci Mosley?

  You know, the sunglasses are giving gas station.

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  They're giving January 6th.

• 53:45Speaker 06

  You know what? It's giving.

• 53:47Laci Mosley?

  Like, like somebody who was on the way to January 6th but was like a little late.

• 53:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:51Laci Mosley?

  And so by the time shit started going down, they just turned around and was like, no. I mean, this is the legitimate Sultan, right?

• 53:57Speaker 06

  It's, I mean.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, this is the real Sultan, so this is Sultan drip.

• 53:59Speaker 06

  This is Sultan drip.

• 54:01Laci Mosley?

  And like, I love this because she picked somebody who is somewhere from Southeast Asia. And like, they all got the same skin tone. So like, what's really gonna be a bump in this situation so far? And look, she got her drip all herself. She got.

• 54:14Speaker 06

  What is this picture?

• 54:15Laci Mosley?

  I don't know where she got this metal hat from, honey, but it's giving something.

• 54:18Speaker 06

  I mean, she's wearing a, a wall hanging as a crown.

• 54:21Laci Mosley?

  She also said illegitimate child, so maybe this is all that her mama could steal on the way out because they was illegitimate.

• 54:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, that's.

• 54:27Laci Mosley?

  Oh. So she said she's the illegitimate child of the Sultan, right? She got a little bit of Sultan drip that she either got on Sheen, Dot Sultan, or like.

• 54:35Speaker 06

  Yes, giving.

• 54:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Amazon Sultan for Halloween, you know?

• 54:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly.

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  They went to the Dorchester Hotel, which is owned by Brunei's Ministry of Finance. And the staff knew her there too. So, in Graham's defense, she has a fancy ass hotel where everyone's like, oh, Miss Queen, Miss Girl, Grandma, Mumma, everything. And then she got some Sultan drip off of, you know, the dot coms. And she even.

• 54:59Speaker 06

  Not a verified seller, go on.

• 55:01Laci Mosley?

  And then she went to the Dorchester where she knows her Sultan. The baby girl did her research.

• 55:06Speaker 06

  I mean, she's.

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  Baby granny did her research.

• 55:07Speaker 06

  She's working hard. She's working hard. Yeah, she's doing, she's doing a lot of work.

• 55:12Laci Mosley?

  And Dion bought custom suits and bags and designer clothes for Graham and Heather. She bought him a Range Rover and her a BMW just to make up for lost time in terms of giving her son presents for his last 45 birthdays. So now she's tricking off on him. She's like, here are things, right? Give a little to get a lot. This is a little in her terms of what she's trying to get. So she's like, here's a Range Rover. She bought stuff for the wife so the wife wouldn't be like, this is confusing because when, um, she took that hat off with the gold on it, it was green on the inside. And like, whatever weird things Heather, the wife, might have noticed, she already was like, let me pay this girl off too so she could stop looking too closely.

• 55:52Speaker 06

  Yes. I do like this look more for her than what we have up right now.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:56Speaker 06

  This feels right.

• 55:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And so now a baby makes four. Heather went into labor two months later and gave birth to a son. Trigger warning here.

• 56:05Laci Mosley?

  Dion texted Graham to say she was peeing blood at the same time of the birth, including a picture of a toilet bowl full of red liquid. Now, here's the thing.

• 56:16Speaker 06

  We're not showing that picture, are we?

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 56:18Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 56:20Speaker 06

  You can picture it.

• 56:21Laci Mosley?

  No, it's a trigger word for like graphic description. Here's the thing, if anyone in my family who I love and trust told me that they were peeing blood or that something was wrong with them, I wouldn't be like, send pics. Like, I would just believe them. So to send a pic too is already like you're doing too much convincing for me. Like, we would just believe you, girly pop. Like, you don't have to send us the blood toilet. We don't need to see the like Japanese blood toilet before you hit the big flush. Like, we don't need to.

• 56:52Speaker 05

  But you know she's got his little heart wrapped around her.

• 56:55Laci Mosley?

  Which should have been enough, but she's trying to lock it down because she's obviously a scammer, which we're gonna find out how. But like, she's trying to continue to convince him. And it's like, why do you have to convince me if this is all legit?

• 57:07Speaker 06

  I think we've learned that Dion loves to do the most.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 57:11Speaker 06

  She's going big or she's going all the way home.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 57:14Laci Mosley?

  And clearly, she's been going big enough that she can do some of this shit on credit to convince him that she is big, right? So Graham hadn't talked to Dion's doctors, but she did carry around a bag of medication and would sometimes spend whole days on the couch unable to get up. So her health really did dislike.

• 57:33Speaker 06

  Bag of meds, can't get up on the couch.

• 57:35Laci Mosley?

  I'm not 80, but like.

• 57:36Speaker 06

  Suddenly, I'm kind of with Dion, I'm just saying.

• 57:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but a couch moment, oh, love a couch moment.

• 57:41Speaker 06

  Just a couch ride, go on.

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  So thinking it was the right thing to do, Graham moved Dion into his house with Heather and the newborn. Sorry.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, I don't know anything about this. What, you think about your toilet, you think about Mr. Clean, like, there's so much blood in the toilet. No, there's not gonna be no blood.

• 58:00Speaker 06

  I'm so upset.

• 58:01Speaker 05

  It's just a vulnerable time when you have a baby.

• 58:03Laci Mosley?

  With a new baby. So two months later, Dion took Graham to Switzerland to sign paperwork to get access to hundreds of millions of dollars she was entitled to and wanted to leave in a trust for Graham and his family. So she's still like.

• 58:16Speaker 06

  Red flag.

• 58:18Speaker 05

  Like, honestly, blood in a toilet flag. How red it is.

• 58:21Laci Mosley?

  But if you think about this from the bigger scope, obviously not a good relationship with the dad who was like, damn, I gotta take care of my kid. Oh my God, I'm a father. This ain't supposed to happen. And then he has a mom who is late in age, which we all tend to think like later in age, if you are like a person with empathy and you fucked up in your life with your kids, that would be a time where you would try to reach back out and try to make things right. So all of this makes sense. It would make sense to me, right? And so far, all that Graham has given in this situation is a place to live, right? She's given the cars to, you know, she's given gifts to the wife. She had him staying at the fancy hotel. They went to the place that he said, like the Sultan, she the illegitimate baby of, and they knew her there.

• 59:05Laci Mosley?

  So everything has been adding up, right? So this is a nice, slow roll.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  I mean, adding up is generous.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  Well, but I, I, here's the thing, you cannot really blame him because, because just knowing that information about him, the fact that they kind of look alike, there are things I think that I understand, even as a person would want to sit through it.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  This, you know, flamboyant, I'm sure she got rich, she got personality. She had them titties that you want to cry in. He was crying in them. She had all types of stories of like, I remember when you were a baby. Oh, you used to smile so much, like shit like you would never remember, you know? When you were a baby, you used to poop and pee so much. It's like, I did use to poop and pee. Like I would like.

• 59:45Speaker 06

  Did you ever pee blood?

• 59:46Laci Mosley?

  Cause I did. Right.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  And by the way, I having seen the documentary, she also like poured love into it. She was very effusive and demonstrative, like very like, I love you so, you know.

• 59:56Laci Mosley?

  And if that's something you've been missing your whole life.

• 59:59Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  And a lot of times people get into like entertainment because they didn't get enough hugs, you know?

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  I don't know what you're talking about.

• 1:00:06Laci Mosley?

  Right here. So their whole job is like validating their creativity. Yeah. So this all adds up to me. So when they go to Zurich, um, Mama, Mama Dion says that he needed to sign forms in Zurich and meet private equity lawyers, but it was only supposed to take four days. Four days turned into two months of delayed meetings, champagne dinners, and no paperwork.

• 1:00:30Speaker 05

  And know him being home with his baby.

• 1:00:34Speaker 06

  I'm gonna lose my mind.

• 1:00:35Laci Mosley?

  So he's taking after his dad now and leaving the baby. Like, two months and Heather by herself doing all the midnight feedings and not getting no sleep. I hope they at least had a nanny. Heather, I hope y'all had a night nurse or something, child. So Dion's global assets were apparently in the hundreds of millions and too complicated for these Swiss bankers to understand.

• 1:00:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, because classically, the Swiss do not understand banking.

• 1:00:57Laci Mosley?

  No, it's not where we send all our money to hide it or anything like that, no. The Swiss were like, we don't, mm-mm, we only know chocolate and hide it.

• 1:01:05Speaker 06

  Clocks.

• 1:01:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, clocks, yeah. Swatch? Y'all got watches?

• 1:01:08Speaker 06

  Swatches.

• 1:01:09Speaker 05

  We'll give you an help, but I can't open a checking account for you, so sorry.

• 1:01:12Speaker 06

  One help?

• 1:01:13Laci Mosley?

  One help.

• 1:01:14Speaker 06

  One help. Hashtag one help.

• 1:01:15Laci Mosley?

  Meanwhile, Graham had missed half of his baby's life at this point and left Heather alone in the UK. Like, we said, now Heather's probably sitting over in the UK like, now where the fuck is mommy? And you ain't say you was gonna pull on your father and leave the family, like, get your ass back over here. So when Heather saw that a large amount of money had been transferred out of their joint account into Graham's name, she wanted an explanation. I would want an explanation too, Heather, because this is supposed to be your man, your husband, and now you done had a fresh-ass baby, he done skipped town, and all of a sudden, he start moving money around?

• 1:01:47Speaker 06

  The math is not, as they say.

• 1:01:49Laci Mosley?

  Nothing.

• 1:01:51Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  So Graham said it was for Dion because even though she was a high-roller millionaire, she couldn't transfer money from her international banks due to COVID.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Is she fucking lucky?

• 1:02:04Laci Mosley?

  You know when the banks got sick during COVID? You know when the banks were like, I tested positive for COVID, us, the Swiss bank?

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  That non-scam COVID test place, yes. Got that pause.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  The Swiss bank had positive COVID and they had to quarantine the bank and the money. They were like, everybody coughed on the money, so we can't give it to you because the money is, we gotta sanitize it.

• 1:02:24Speaker 06

  I just got so cold. I'm really freaking out over here.

• 1:02:27Laci Mosley?

  There's so much COVID on the money. You wouldn't even want it right now. You 80. You don't want this COVID money. So Heather wanted Graham to come home, duh, because that's her man, she got a baby. But Dion wanted him to stay. Finally on Christmas Eve, he caved and went home and cooked a Christmas dinner like nothing had happened. So yeah, you better pull out all, all your silverwares and all your La Cruces and cook for your, your wife and your baby. Because what the fuck are you doing?

• 1:02:51Speaker 05

  Candied orange peel on everything.

• 1:02:53Laci Mosley?

  And you have to, you have to remember that Dion also has a little bit of an upper hand here. Because she's a long lost mother who also has three cancers, who's going to die in like, in like 64 minutes. So he's gonna be tempted to stay with her. Because she's like, I got this huge fortune to leave to you.

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:03:08Laci Mosley?

  I'm literally, look at the clock, I'm dying in 64 minutes and let's do this. But Heather's like, I have a fresh ass baby, so you're gonna have to just come back over here because.

• 1:03:16Speaker 06

  We have a fresh ass baby.

• 1:03:17Speaker 05

  We have a, we have a fresh ass baby.

• 1:03:19Laci Mosley?

  Oh, right, right. I'm sorry, I was speaking in man.

• 1:03:22Speaker 06

  Wee.

• 1:03:24Speaker 06

  The real wee.

• 1:03:26Laci Mosley?

  I was speaking in man where you know the woman only got the baby.

• 1:03:28Speaker 06

  It's a wee.

• 1:03:30Laci Mosley?

  So Heather was leaving to spend six weeks with the baby and her family in New Zealand. And again, Graham said he couldn't go because of his mom. While in New Zealand, Heather found out Graham had opened new credit cards in his name and was accruing debt for Dion. And started seeing car payments for the Range Rover and the BMW coming out of their account. Remember those were gifts that Dion gave and now all of a sudden they're gifts that he has to pay for. That's not how gifts were.

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  No, no, nope, nope, nope.

• 1:03:58Laci Mosley?

  Also, if you give me a car, it better be a pink slip, registration, fully paid off. Otherwise you didn't give me a car, you got me a loan, baby Boogie.

• 1:04:04Speaker 05

  That's exactly what happened.

• 1:04:06Laci Mosley?

  Boogie, you got me a loan?

• 1:04:07Speaker 05

  She put the down payment.

• 1:04:08Speaker 06

  This was the scandal when Oprah was like, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. And all of a sudden everybody was like, do I get a car?

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Those cars were paid off. The issue was, is that taxes on gift taxes.

• 1:04:21Speaker 06

  Taxes on the gifts.

• 1:04:22Laci Mosley?

  All these poor teachers.

• 1:04:24Speaker 06

  Meet me here.

• 1:04:25Laci Mosley?

  All these poor teachers had to deal with $7,000 in taxes for the, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. You get a $7,000 debt to the government. And obviously these teachers were in dire straits and could not afford that. So you gave them a gift that was also a $7,000 burden. So a lot of these teachers ended up selling the cars or like trying to accrue money to pay it off. But it's like, they should have paid for the gift tax along with the car.

• 1:04:50Speaker 06

  But then, but then there might be a gift tax on paying with the gift tax.

• 1:04:54Speaker 05

  Gift tax.

• 1:04:56Laci Mosley?

  So now he's paying for a gift, right? And he's paying for his mama's new car, right? Dion hadn't bought those cars, right? She just put down a deposit and financed them in Graham's name.

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  Oh, Graham.

• 1:05:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so when it seemed like Dion was paying for things like hotel stays and champagne, she was probably using cash she had borrowed from other people she met and took advantage of, making the same promise about frozen accounts and riches from Brunei. So she was doing her own like Nigerian prince scam slash Ponzi. It's a little bit of Madoff.

• 1:05:29Speaker 05

  Madoff.

• 1:05:29Laci Mosley?

  Madoff with your coins. But it's also a little bit of the prince scam of like, I have money. You just need to pay the taxes and fees. Also, you're my son. So now she's roping in an emotional level that obviously would make people ignore a few red flags, especially if they have trauma around parentage, right? And you just became a parent. And like, Graham, now I am gonna have to knock you on this one. Like, you had parents who were absentee or who did not fuck with you. And instead of when you had a fresh baby, changing the course of that, and you know, ending the generational trauma right there, you're now running after your own trauma and your baby mama and your baby are alone somewhere while you accrued debt chasing your fake mama. At no point did you think to get a blood test or nothing?

• 1:06:12Speaker 05

  Wait for it.

• 1:06:13Laci Mosley?

  So Graham had racked up.

• 1:06:15Speaker 05

  I can't.

• 1:06:15Laci Mosley?

  I love that you're here, Liz.

• 1:06:16Speaker 05

  I can't.

• 1:06:17Laci Mosley?

  Graham had racked up almost 400,000 USD in debt for his mom. Oh, my God. That just got hit in the microphone.

• 1:06:26Speaker 05

  She just passed out.

• 1:06:27Laci Mosley?

  Y'all signing waivers. We not liable.

• 1:06:29Speaker 05

  Hitting the floor. I have hit the floor. Go on.

• 1:06:34Laci Mosley?

  Heather had enough at this point.

• 1:06:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Laci Mosley?

  And has never come back from New Zealand with their baby. She's saying, you not gonna have my baby caught up in this bullshit.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  Graham didn't believe that Dion was a scammer until he found red food coloring in the bedside table of her hotel room.

• 1:06:49Speaker 05

  Stop it.

• 1:06:50Laci Mosley?

  Likely how she had taken a picture of bloody pee in her toilet bowl. You know, they about to get rid of Red Dye 40 in the US. So I don't know how y'all gonna keep this scam up. But so she had put, she had dropped a little red food coloring in with her pee. So that she, and I love that she was traveling with it. So was that like a thing of like, she had to just drip a little bit in the toilet and be like, I forgot to flush, son. I'm sorry. Like, when she was still peeing blood? I feel like you should go to the hospital the first time you pee blood.

• 1:07:18Speaker 05

  You just never know when a little fake blood's gonna come in handy.

• 1:07:22Laci Mosley?

  You don't. You really don't. You don't. Speechless. So he looked closer at her big bag of medicine and saw that it was for cholesterol and blood pressure, not them three cancers.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  No, it's possible he did this a few months too late. I'll say that.

• 1:07:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I mean, but that was because, remember, in the beginning, she was giving a lot, right?

• 1:07:40Speaker 05

  She was giving a lot.

• 1:07:41Laci Mosley?

  In his eyes. Now, once he started to accrue the bills and be away from his family, I think that's when he was like, let me look into some shit. Also, like, I just think the first time you pee blood, you gotta go to the hospital. I don't think you pee blood and you're like, oh, I'm a looking. No, I think you have to go. No.

• 1:07:53Speaker 06

  A classic do not pass goes straight to ER.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  But also, isn't this one of those classic, like, he got in so deep, he knows on some level that he is being scammed, and it's like, you can't admit it. Yes.

• 1:08:04Laci Mosley?

  Well, you watched the doc, so you do know.

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  One bad thing, one, you know, one thing after the next.

• 1:08:08Laci Mosley?

  But she also has personal experience of the toll road situation.

• 1:08:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, like.

• 1:08:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because if you go three cars in, you're a little deep. But with Graham, it's like, he's in so... And honestly, I think there's a little part of your humanity that doesn't want to believe it, because if you long for having a parent love you, there's a deep abandonment that I don't understand, because even though my parents were together when I was conceived, like, I have relationships with all four of my parents, and they all love me very much.

• 1:08:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:33Laci Mosley?

  So I don't have that want for that, but I would imagine having that want from that is like a deep lingering wound. And if you think that someone's pouring all this life and love into you, you want to believe that they're doing it for the right reasons, because it kind of soul ties into who you are as a human being.

• 1:08:49Speaker 05

  It's like getting heartwashed instead of brainwashed.

• 1:08:51Laci Mosley?

  A new phrase, heartwashed. Yes. Yes. Congregation, don't get heartwashed.

• 1:08:57Speaker 05

  Don't get heartwashed.

• 1:08:58Laci Mosley?

  Liz, that's a good one.

• 1:08:59Speaker 06

  Title of that.

• 1:09:00Laci Mosley?

  Write that down. I heard you were a writer. Write that down.

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:09:05Laci Mosley?

  I heard you were something of a writer.

• 1:09:06Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Let me fix my beret.

• 1:09:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:09:11Speaker 05

  I have a feather on my beret.

• 1:09:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're like a Sultan of...

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:09:14Laci Mosley?

  Swatch.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  I'm a lady of letters.

• 1:09:18Laci Mosley?

  So at this point, he insisted on a DNA test, hoping to some level that she was lying about being his mother. So, in the end.

• 1:09:28Speaker 05

  Guys.

• 1:09:28Laci Mosley?

  That's the only thing that.

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  Please, drum roll.

• 1:09:31Laci Mosley?

  She told him. So remember, she told him that she was his mother. Now, he's looking at, he's like, let's get a DNA, like, a DNA test, right? At this point, he's like, this woman has scammed me, she's taken advantage of me and my family, I wanna be done with this. Let's do a DNA test. He should've done this in the beginning, but he did not. So now, after he's 400,000 USD in, and his wife Heather is mad at him, and she not leaving New Zealand with their baby. Um, that's, that last part was not a New Zealand accent, but you know, we tried.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  It's a hard one.

• 1:10:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. He's like, let's do the DNA test, and, um.

• 1:10:05Laci Mosley?

  In the case.

• 1:10:07Speaker 05

  I'm drum rolling.

• 1:10:08Laci Mosley?

  Of Dion Mahmoud.

• 1:10:10Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 1:10:11Laci Mosley?

  And the paternity of Graham.

• 1:10:15Laci Mosley?

  The DNA of the test. Says that Dion. Was not, not the mother. She is his mother.

• 1:10:24Speaker 05

  I mean. Did you fucking see that coming?

• 1:10:27Laci Mosley?

  She is his biological mother.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  His mother.

• 1:10:32Speaker 06

  Oh, she is his mother.

• 1:10:33Speaker 05

  Well, she did a double negative to really get ya. And it got you.

• 1:10:38Laci Mosley?

  She's not not the mother, which means she is the mother.

• 1:10:41Speaker 06

  For a thousand hours. I am so, I'm a husk. She's the mother.

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  That's why they look alike. That's why he has her titties.

• 1:10:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 06

  He does have her titties.

• 1:10:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they have the same titties. Like mama like, like son titties.

• 1:10:54Speaker 05

  Those titties aren't random. They're not by accident.

• 1:10:56Laci Mosley?

  Nope. That is his mother. The day of the DNA test, when Graham got the results, that was the last day that he saw his mother, his real mother.

• 1:11:07Speaker 05

  It's so heartbreaking.

• 1:11:08Laci Mosley?

  He got fucked by both of his parents.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:11:11Laci Mosley?

  Now, Graham, I, I wanna be on your side, but do you have bad vibes, like, both of them turned against you like this?

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  He's so sweet. That's the thing in the documentary, which I honestly recommend that you watch, like. You can see that the guy just, like, is longing for that connection. And he, his father, you know, his father did raise him, but his father was kind of a POS. And wasn't great, and all he wanted was.

• 1:11:32Laci Mosley?

  I love that we've been cursing the whole time, and you're like, POS?

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  Sometimes I just enjoy saying POS.

• 1:11:35Speaker 06

  By the way, I think I was cursing the most and you weren't.

• 1:11:37Laci Mosley?

  No, we were all we won.

• 1:11:39Speaker 06

  I didn't want to put that on you.

• 1:11:40Laci Mosley?

  I'll say it, piece of shit.

• 1:11:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, he was a piece of shit. He was abusive and, and I think he just was longing for a redo.

• 1:11:46Speaker 06

  Can I ask a question? This is what I wanted to ask before, where I was worried I was gonna jump the story. So, he never circled around with his dad about this woman, or dad's dead?

• 1:11:57Speaker 05

  I think he was estranged from his father, if I remember.

• 1:11:59Speaker 06

  But you could never just do a quick double check, like, picture, have you ever seen this bitch before?

• 1:12:04Laci Mosley?

  Well, I mean, Heather tried to do her due diligence.

• 1:12:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, she did.

• 1:12:08Laci Mosley?

  She went to the police, but Dion couldn't be charged with fraud because she was truly family. And Graham did know where his money was going. But after the documentary Khan Mum aired on Netflix this year, Dion was charged with five counts of fraud against other men in Singapore. She's also accused of deceiving others into transferring money into her accounts, and that's with a little bit of money that she had, which is paying for the hotels and stuff.

• 1:12:33Speaker 06

  She's doing this to other men who are not her son, but then she also did it to her son.

• 1:12:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz she said that, like, she would claim that the funds were needed as legal fees for the opening of new bank accounts, cuz remember she's still doing that Brunei scam, right? She sought their sympathy by saying she was terminally ill and vowed to reimburse them through her Brunei inheritance. Graham emailed the Brunei Royals family, like, their PR account, and said, and the family's PR account, the Brunei family, said that they had never heard of her.

• 1:13:01Speaker 05

  Not shocked.

• 1:13:03Laci Mosley?

  Doi doi. Not shocked by that, but like, to go this far to like scam your own son, that you haven't even been in his life, and so that's already you taking a huge part of his humanity by not being a mother to him, and then to spin the block?

• 1:13:19Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:13:20Laci Mosley?

  And then rob him?

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  It's so low.

• 1:13:23Laci Mosley?

  It's so low.

• 1:13:25Speaker 05

  It's, it's so.

• 1:13:26Speaker 06

  It's so low.

• 1:13:28Speaker 05

  I don't understand that lack of humanity. I really don't.

• 1:13:32Laci Mosley?

  Like, go scam other people. We know you don't have a relation to them, but you depraved your son of a mother, and then you go spin the block and also put him in debt, right when he's having his own child, now he's distracted.

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  Your grandchild.

• 1:13:45Laci Mosley?

  Your grandchild. And the only reason he's doing all this stuff in such an exponential ma- like, a time is because of the desperation meter of like, you're going to die soon, you have three cancers, he's trying to spend as much time with you as possible, and you over here running it up on your own son. That is deplorable as hell.

• 1:14:03Speaker 05

  An insult to entry? Injury to insult? How does that one go?

• 1:14:07Speaker 06

  All of it. Insult to injury?

• 1:14:09Speaker 05

  Insult to injury?

• 1:14:10Speaker 06

  I think.

• 1:14:10Speaker 05

  You know what she wanted that baby to call her? Gigi.

• 1:14:13Speaker 06

  Gigi!

• 1:14:17Speaker 06

  It all comes around!

• 1:14:19Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Wow. This has been...

• 1:14:24Speaker 06

  I thought we would come in here today and just have a fun little time. I did not expect to go on a goddamn roller coaster. Space Coast Coast to Coast.

• 1:14:34Laci Mosley?

  Put those hands up in the air. Woo! And we always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Anywhere people can follow, listen to you, all of those good things. Liz Judd thing.

• 1:14:46Speaker 05

  Well, you can find me personally at... What's my... @phielizfeldman on Instagram only. And you can find our... What's our thing called?

• 1:14:56Speaker 06

  Our podcast is called Here to Make Friends. You can get it wherever you get your podcasts. There's an Instagram for that. I am on Instagram at @youracquaintancejessicline, but listen to our podcast, Here to Make Friends. It's on any podcast channel.

• 1:15:08Speaker 05

  That's right. And I think the Instagram handle is Here to Make Friends Pod.

• 1:15:10Speaker 06

  Here to Make Friends Pod!

• 1:15:11Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:15:12Speaker 06

  Sorry!

• 1:15:13Laci Mosley?

  There we go. Friends, supporting friends.

• 1:15:15Speaker 06

  Friends helping out friends.

• 1:15:16Laci Mosley?

  If you want to see the photos of the scamming ass mama, damn, damn, damn, damn. Scam Goddess Pod. If you want to chat with me on Twitter, it's Scam Goddess Pod. If you want to see me and my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. The first season of Scam Goddess is streaming now on Hulu, all episodes, and the first season of Going Dutch is also streaming on Hulu. And if you want to buy my book or listen to my book, it's out where books are sold, Scam Goddess, as well. So get into the things and congregation. I want y'all to get out there and I want you to stay...

• 1:15:48Speaker 06

  Stay mothering. But like, don't steal from your kids.

• 1:15:52Speaker 05

  Don't.

• 1:15:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. Mother, but don't steal. Yes. Scam Goddess!

• 1:16:00Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Airwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros. And our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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