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1:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.
1:07 Speaker 05 I'm Ken.
1:08 Doug DeMuro? I'm Filippo. And I have an injury. I fell. It's no big deal. Let's start with the news. Well, people are gonna mention it. All right. First news story, big news story this week. The biggest news story of the whole week. The Tesla Model Y has been, it's like the best selling car on the planet.
1:24 Speaker 05 It is one of the.
1:25 Doug DeMuro? The Tesla Model Y has been refreshed. And Tesla has done something that I wish every other automaker should, would do, should do. Take a page out of Tesla's book. They announced the refreshed Model Y. Do you know what it goes into production?
1:36 Speaker 05 Now, I assume.
1:37 Doug DeMuro? Today.
1:38 Speaker 05 Well, today.
1:39 Doug DeMuro? Today.
1:39 Speaker 05 To be fair.
1:40 Doug DeMuro? They announced it Monday.
1:41 Speaker 05 News to, we're doing it.
1:42 Doug DeMuro? Toyota GR Corolla. It was announced, and then 25 years later, the GR Corolla was at dealers. And by then, people had already put deposits on whatever the next thing that was announced was.
1:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:51 Doug DeMuro? This thing, they showed, and then they showed it on Thursday. And on Monday, it was at the factory.
1:58 Speaker 05 Just like the Tesla Roadster.
2:01 Doug DeMuro? You know, that is a great irony.
2:05 Speaker 05 The upside of course that the fact that they're only changing the hood and the front bumper and the rear taillights maybe makes it easier to implement the
2:11 Doug DeMuro? They decided not to change the front taillights this time around. I love when people say that. That's one of my great. It's a fairly minor update, although there are more, more significant updates than just that, including they finally put a front camera in this thing, which has been lacking. And there's, there's, I don't know. Looks like there.
2:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:26 Doug DeMuro? There's other little stuff. I don't want to speculate too much on exactly what the stuff is because.
2:29 Speaker 05 Wait, no, I will happily speculate.
2:31 Doug DeMuro? Well, the US market version hasn't been announced yet.
2:33 Speaker 05 You're familiar with the Model 3 Highland, as people called it?
2:36 Doug DeMuro? This is the Juniper.
2:37 Speaker 05 I know.
2:37 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
2:37 Speaker 05 You're familiar with the Model 3 Highland. There was a Model 3.
2:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
2:40 Speaker 05 They've lightly facelifted it, added a light bar, added the light bar across the rear.
2:46 Speaker 05 They fit, they changed it here. This will be identical with one change. You know what that changes? This factual. You know what that changes?
2:52 Doug DeMuro? What?
2:53 Speaker 05 This has turn signals. Stocks.
2:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. So that's a change. There's also a rear screen. I don't know exactly what's gonna make it.
2:58 Speaker 05 Model 3 Highland.
3:00 Doug DeMuro? Oh, but versus Model Y.
3:01 Speaker 05 No, no, this was the Model 3.
3:02 Doug DeMuro? I get your point.
3:03 Speaker 05 Plus, plus a turn signal stock.
3:04 Doug DeMuro? The Model 3 Highland though, doesn't have a front camera, does it?
3:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think it does, but I don't remember.
3:09 Doug DeMuro? Um, I don't remember, but regardless, it's facelifted, it's updated and it's a big deal, even though people watch this and be like, why are you talking about Tesla? So boring. Oh, it's, it's one of the most popular cars on the planet.
3:21 Speaker 05 Single best selling car last year?
3:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, in some places. Oh, Kenan's not in.
3:25 Speaker 05 No, I mean across like globally.
3:27 Doug DeMuro? I don't know about globally. Maybe.
3:28 Speaker 05 It's up there. Somebody will look it up.
3:30 Doug DeMuro? It's up there. It's one of the most popular cars. So we're gonna start seeing, soon they're gonna start looking like this and they're gonna be around.
3:36 Speaker 05 I will say the Model 3, when it was refreshed finally, got way better. Like you, you reviewed it and the suspension was better, the interior was better, it was quieter. There were real improvements.
3:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
3:45 Speaker 05 And I imagine the same is true here.
3:46 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, the question I think has started to become with Tesla, does a refresh have a significant effect on sales at this point?
3:53 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:53 Doug DeMuro? Tesla's sales were down last quarter, right? And certainly EVs are slower right now to sales. Adoption has been a little slower. Obviously a refresh was important for three and Y because it's been a while. Three came out in 18. But where are we on this in terms of like, is this gonna move the needle in terms of sales? I have a suspicion. No, are people really gonna be like, I can't wait to trade in my old one from a new one to get a front camera and this light bar? Uh, kind of.
4:20 Speaker 05 I mean, like, there are some that are leased and that.
4:22 Doug DeMuro? Virtually nobody I know with a Y is like a, one of those like excited lease turning customers. It's like they bought it for necessity. They're not car enthusiasts. They don't care.
4:31 Speaker 05 Like, it's a little more competitive. It remains competitive.
4:34 Doug DeMuro? I, yeah. Tesla needed to. In general is sort of on a bit of a downswing.
4:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, we can agree that it doesn't, we can agree that it doesn't look.
4:43 Doug DeMuro? I like it.
4:44 Speaker 05 Great.
4:44 Doug DeMuro? It looks fine. I think the original one is ugly. I think that this one is better.
4:48 Speaker 05 Like, the original one, like, tied the front end and, like, the middle and the back. They had all kind of made sense. This is like, the fact that the middle of the car is identical. I'm sure they'll claim that it's not, but like, it is. It just doesn't, like.
5:01 Doug DeMuro? I generally find that all Teslas are the most boring looking cars. Like, if you were gonna create a rendering of like car.
5:06 Speaker 05 Just like every other car.
5:07 Doug DeMuro? Not the Cybertruck. If you were gonna create a rendering of car.
5:10 Speaker 05 Tesla Roadster, just like, the original one, just like every other car.
5:12 Doug DeMuro? The, the newest one, though, is.
5:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:15 Doug DeMuro? Okay, all right. Model Y refresh. We'll see if it actually measurably does anything for sales. You think it will?
5:19 Speaker 05 Uh, it'll bump them.
5:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
5:21 Speaker 05 I don't think that it changes market.
5:22 Doug DeMuro? I don't think it's a big change, though.
5:24 Speaker 05 No.
5:24 Doug DeMuro? It's not a big change.
5:25 Speaker 05 It was necessary. It was getting stale. And that's what needed.
5:29 Doug DeMuro? Next news story is even better than this. On the subject of EVs, Chrysler had announced some EV or teased it, or apparently they showed it at a.
5:36 Speaker 05 The Airflow.
5:37 Doug DeMuro? Damn auto show. It was called the Airflow, which was the name of a car they had in the 50s that also failed. And, uh, and this has failed because Chrysler has clandestinely apparently halted. They, they've sent a note to their suppliers saying that they want suppliers to stop working on this vehicle, which suggests to me that they will probably not manufacture the car.
5:57 Speaker 05 But like, if you as Chrysler, which currently sells one vehicle, the Pacific Up, if you are telling your suppliers and presumably internally saying, if you're not gonna build a midsize electric SUV that everybody else wants. What are you building?
6:11 Doug DeMuro? I think that Chrysler got really burned with the whole Charger EV, like the switch from gas powered to electric. And I think that Chrysler was already on the fence about making that switch. I think they see political headwinds against EVs. I think they see the market starting to turn away from EVs. And I think Chrysler is trying to get ahead of this and say, we're not going to do this. We're not going to go down the same road the Blazer and the Prologue are going down where the leases are subsidized to a 50%.
6:34 Speaker 05 They sell well, though.
6:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but of course they sell well. The lease is a cell phone payment with nothing down. I mean, I could make a car sell well if I offered it to you for a dollar a year.
6:43 Speaker 05 I wouldn't buy a car that you made for a dollar a year.
6:46 Doug DeMuro? Wisely.
6:46 Speaker 05 But like, I think there's two things that are concerning here. One is, you're probably right. They're seeing, okay, there's a pushback against this. This is a US market only car, frankly. They don't have a presence anywhere else in the world.
6:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but they could, I mean.
6:58 Speaker 05 Which, which matters, though.
6:59 Doug DeMuro? The Chevy Volt was sold as the Opel Impera overseas.
7:01 Speaker 05 Chrysler doesn't have a brand overseas. Obviously, FCA does, but not for a Mercedes SUV. But what I'm confused by is how are you not, how are you as a brand not like so far behind still that you can realistically say, nah, don't keep working on it?
7:15 Doug DeMuro? I would argue, based on, this, this looks production ready. And I would argue, they probably weren't. I would argue this car was probably six months from production and they were probably planning the press launch and configuring the trim levels and still were like, we're done. And I honestly.
7:28 Speaker 05 At that point, just release. You're, you're not selling anything. You don't have a car. You don't have an SUV in your lineup.
7:33 Doug DeMuro? Is Chevy making money on the Blazer? Is Honda making money on the Prologue? At the end of the day, the automakers are sitting here thinking, we want to make money just because they don't have a vehicle in the segment. Have a vehicle segment, lose money. Have no vehicleable segment, at least they're, they're, they're flat. Now, granted, there's probably been some development dollars spent here, but maybe they amortize that because Jeep is going to have some sort of electric thing. Maybe it's the same kind of deal.
7:54 Speaker 05 They do, the Wagoneer or the, whatever it's called.
7:56 Doug DeMuro? Never seen one.
7:57 Speaker 05 The Wagoneer S. I'm so sorry, not the Wagoneer, the Wagoneer S. My apologies. I just, I get it. It's a sign certainly where the EV market is, but also at the same time, it could be Chrysler being Chrysler.
8:08 Doug DeMuro? It could be, but it's an, I know, I think, I think Chrysler was severely burned on the Charger thing. I think that basically Chrysler was told by government incentives.
8:16 Speaker 05 Chrysler doesn't have a Charger EV.
8:17 Doug DeMuro? By government incentives and everybody else, Chrysler was told, you got to get rid of this old car, the Charger Challenger. So they did. They switched to, to an electric-y thing. Everybody hated it. Everybody's criticizing it.
8:29 Doug DeMuro? And now Chris is like, we're out. EVs are done. Trump's president now. We're done. We're out. Dodge, Ram, pickup, her.
8:36 Speaker 05 Maybe, but you gotta either just give up on the brand or build something.
8:40 Doug DeMuro? Well, they don't need to give up on the brand because they sell them all the same dealer. It actually works out okay. You know what Kenan's least favorite part about the cancellation of this car is the thing that makes him the saddest? You lose what appears to be a hexagon steering wheel.
8:51 Speaker 05 Oh, that is so sad.
8:52 Doug DeMuro? There's that this thing has a hexagon steering wheel and Kenan was excited to be turning it.
8:57 Speaker 05 And the mirror does look like M3 compars.
9:02 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no.
9:03 Speaker 05 E92 M3, don't you think?
9:04 Doug DeMuro? No, they didn't.
9:06 Speaker 06 They had the thing with the M mirrors since the E9X M3 was that they have two, they detach it. The two, not two stalks, they attach the car, not just one.
9:14 Speaker 05 All right, all right.
9:15 Speaker 06 I can see this. This is on the car. It's not, or this is inside the car. I can kind of see why you think it, but it's the picture.
9:20 Doug DeMuro? All right, I don't know. It's, it's an interesting thing. It's an interesting story because GM went full bore with this. They, they released the Blazer EV. They released the Equinox EV. Neither are doing particularly well.
9:30 Speaker 05 They're doing really well. The Equinox EV is selling.
9:33 Doug DeMuro? Only if you're looking at sales numbers. I'm looking at subsidies. I'm a profit guy. The sales numbers to me are meaningless unless we're talking about how much the automaker is making money.
9:42 Speaker 05 Which we should look, we should soon have GM's end of your financials and we can look at what that's looked like, but I don't think they're necessarily losing money on everyone.
9:50 Doug DeMuro? They're, they're subsidizing the leases to on a brand new car that took an enormous amount of development to an unbelievable level.
9:57 Speaker 05 That, but development that they've shared across the Honda Prologue, the Blazer EV and, and now the Equinox EV. The Equinox EV is selling really well.
10:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
10:05 Speaker 05 Sorry, I should say it is leasing really well.
10:08 Doug DeMuro? All right. Equinox EV lease deal.
10:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's attractive.
10:12 Doug DeMuro? 169.
10:13 Speaker 05 Oh, it's attractive. With like zero down. It's attractive.
10:16 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, of course it's, of course it's leased, of course it's selling well.
10:20 Speaker 05 But it's bringing people into the, to the Chevy brand that otherwise were certainly not going to be there.
10:24 Doug DeMuro? That is.
10:25 Speaker 05 Which is any people.
10:26 Doug DeMuro? This is a $50,000 car that's leasing at 169.
10:30 Speaker 05 It's actually like a $23,000 car.
10:33 Doug DeMuro? And you're going to come over here and this is unbelievable. And you're going to come over here and tell me that this car is leasing well?
10:40 Speaker 05 Well, I suspect they have some residuals that might prove not to be true.
10:43 Doug DeMuro? Who's claiming they took advantage of a $5,000 rebate and got the monthly lease payment to $65 a month on an Equinox EV 2LT.
10:52 Speaker 05 They put money down.
10:55 Doug DeMuro? For a 44,000 sticker.
10:57 Speaker 05 Wow, not bad.
10:58 Doug DeMuro? Here's a guy who said he did a $2,500 one pay. He's got a 24 more please.
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11:04 Doug DeMuro? These cars are not selling.
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12:08 Speaker 05 Given that, I'm willing to believe that.
12:10 Doug DeMuro? Chrysler's making a good decision.
12:12 Speaker 05 I
12:13 Speaker 06 spat on me.
12:15 Speaker 05 Well, we'll see where this gets.
12:17 Doug DeMuro? You don't think Chrysler's making a good decision?
12:19 Speaker 05 I think it's rare that Chrysler makes a good decision.
12:22 Speaker 06 That's well, that is true. History has shown that.
12:24 Doug DeMuro? The market is not here for these cars.
12:27 Speaker 05 I don't know if that's true because there's there are clearly buyers, not maybe at the price they want, but there are clearly buyers. The Model Y, as we said, which is at the same price point, is one of the best selling cars in the world. So there is a market for these cars. Tesla is profitable.
12:38 Speaker 06 Yeah, but how do they compete with that? You're gonna buy a Chrysler?
12:41 Speaker 05 You buy a better, you build a better car.
12:42 Speaker 06 Let's be honest.
12:43 Speaker 05 Turns out you compete by building a better car. And Chrysler does, they need people.
12:45 Doug DeMuro? No one's been able to do it.
12:47 Speaker 06 They have bad brand equity to fight against to do that.
12:49 Doug DeMuro? No one's been able to build a better car. Tesla has the charging network.
12:53 Speaker 05 Tesla, which is open to other people.
12:54 Speaker 06 The brand equity, they have everything.
12:55 Doug DeMuro? See the app. It's got a picture of a car.
12:58 Speaker 05 Whoa. My goodness.
13:00 Speaker 06 Imagine Chrysler after this thing, it would crash your phone every time you opened it.
13:04 Speaker 05 Well, there are some concerns about that. I just given the amount of work they put into this and the fact they don't have any other products and they claim.
13:11 Doug DeMuro? Dude, there's people out here saying they get a $3,000 one pay. They're paying $124 a month.
13:16 Speaker 05 And.
13:16 Doug DeMuro? For an Equinox EV.
13:19 Speaker 05 It seems like a great deal that GM is happy to have him in the door for.
13:22 Doug DeMuro? You think Chrysler is sitting here eager to finish putting this car together so they can release it for $84 a month on a one pay?
13:28 Speaker 05 Doesn't help my point, but incentives on new chargers are wild.
13:33 Doug DeMuro? What are they?
13:33 Speaker 05 I I saw an article recently that had $12,000 just off the bat. The car came out yesterday. Like, like not including tax credit, just that dealer wanted to get rid of that. They're new chargers so badly or challenged.
13:44 Doug DeMuro? Cause those cars aren't tax incentive. What what's out? I don't even know what's out yet.
13:48 Speaker 05 The one of them. Nobody knows. Nobody's looked.
13:51 Doug DeMuro? Nobody's paid much attention to it. New Dodge Charger incentive. Someone is saying, oh, 23 chargers are way off. I'm sorry. I'm curious to see.
13:58 Speaker 05 There was an article.
13:59 Doug DeMuro? The point is, I think Chrysler is making a good decision.
14:01 Speaker 05 Can we move to the next story where we're talking about more of these? All right. Here's a company where we're here's a situation where Volkswagen has said, no, you actually, there is a market we can enter and make money like Tesla has and Rivian has had good sales without huge, huge incentives. They're struggling financially for other reasons. Uh, there is a market. They released a Scout brand.
14:17 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
14:18 Speaker 05 That isn't out yet, but will be out in a year.
14:19 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
14:21 Speaker 05 There's two. There's the pickup truck and SUV. SUV is making a made about 70% of reservations.
14:26 Doug DeMuro? Which makes total sense and still makes us wonder why Rivian released the truck first. Anyway, continue.
14:30 Speaker 05 But what's really interesting is they're offering it in what they call the Harvester trim that has one of Volkswagen's engines behind the rear axle.
14:37 Doug DeMuro? One of Volkswagen's gasoline engines. I didn't know about this. There is a range extending gasoline engine, does not power the wheels supposedly.
14:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:44 Doug DeMuro? It just acts as a generator for the EV drivetrain.
14:48 Speaker 05 And you could imagine it just running in the background, charging up the battery and like without any notable load.
14:54 Doug DeMuro? Could I never plug it in?
14:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think so.
14:56 Doug DeMuro? Probably, right?
14:57 Speaker 05 Yeah. I don't know that you'd want to. I don't think it's the most efficient way to power it, but sure.
15:01 Doug DeMuro? It's a giant SUV with a 1.5 liter two cylinder.
15:04 Speaker 05 We don't have an engine.
15:05 Doug DeMuro? Well, I assume.
15:06 Speaker 05 Two cylinder.
15:07 Doug DeMuro? No, it's gonna be something like that.
15:09 Speaker 05 It'll be one of Volkswagen's smaller engines. But what's interesting is that they have said publicly that over 50% of their pre-orders are for the Harvester trim.
15:17 Doug DeMuro? Which further proves the point I was just making, doesn't it? People still want to put gasoline in their cars.
15:23 Speaker 05 They want people to go further, but it makes a lot of sense for the Scout brand. Like, this is why it makes sense for them to have done this. You want people to go off-roading, have an EV, that's great for their daily life, and then...
15:32 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting. It makes you wonder, does this, does this kind of come in and eat Rivian's lunch? They offer a gassy version. It's not fully gassy, but it's gassable.
15:44 Speaker 05 It's gassable. It's a little gassy.
15:46 Doug DeMuro? Like, that's interesting.
15:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, it is, generally.
15:48 Doug DeMuro? And more than half of people are ordering it, that says a lot.
15:51 Speaker 05 Yeah. Well, pre-ordering it, putting a $200 down or whatever.
15:55 Doug DeMuro? Pre-orders for a car like this often turn into orders. For the Chrysler Airflow, of which there were two pre-orders, both of which were Chrysler employees, nephews and nephews.
16:05 Speaker 05 Right.
16:06 Doug DeMuro? That's not a thing. But this, these are actually interested people who are gonna get one.
16:09 Speaker 05 It's interesting to see that there is demand for that. I wonder if other brands will. Nobody in the US market has a Range or extender.
16:16 Doug DeMuro? Right.
16:16 Speaker 05 I3 excluded, BMW I3 excluded, and the Volt.
16:19 Doug DeMuro? There's no way that car's still on sale.
16:21 Speaker 05 Nope.
16:21 Speaker 06 Hasn't been for a really long time.
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17:43 Speaker 06 No, I agree. This is cool. And it makes sense like if you're going to, if you, the whole point of this brand, you know, to bring back the international names that are these cars, which were, you know, rugged, is that you're going to take it off-road and realistically you just can't do it with an EV. Where are you going to charge and look at this. You think there's a charging station around here?
17:58 Speaker 05 Rivian actually built one at the top of that hill.
18:00 Speaker 06 Probably.
18:01 Doug DeMuro? No, Tesla did. Rivian is using it for a significant amount per month.
18:04 Speaker 06 So like you need, like if you're in the real, not that this is the real world, but if you're going to use it the way they intended to, you need to be able to have the car charge itself with a generator.
18:14 Doug DeMuro? Are we seeing the beginning of a switch away from electric cars after all this EV?
18:19 Speaker 06 It turns out Fisker was right. The Fisker Karma was the right idea. Have a generator.
18:23 Doug DeMuro? You know, I remember when those cars all came out, the Karma, the Volt, et cetera, and Leaf, when they all came out in 2010, 11, 12, there was a lot of talk about what really is the future. Is it full electric like the Leaf or is it this plug-in hybrid like the Volt? Chevy, Chevy gambled on the plug-in hybrid thing with the Volt. Obviously Nissan went with the full electric. The market sort of more went full electric. But there's always been a lot of talk about plug-in hybrids are the best of all worlds.
18:47 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:48 Doug DeMuro? Maybe plug, maybe plug-in hybrids are the best of all worlds.
18:51 Speaker 05 Toyota's gotten big on it. The RAV4 Prime, which is a plug-in, the previous Prime.
18:55 Doug DeMuro? Toyota never really went to EVs. They only ever did the plug-in hybrids. The new BMW M5, by combining both a gasoline engine and an electric powertrain, they were able to make it way less than a mid-size fishing vessel.
19:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:07 Doug DeMuro? Just.
19:08 Speaker 06 It was a small planetary body. Yeah.
19:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. That is the drawback.
19:12 Speaker 05 It is interesting to see what.
19:13 Speaker 06 You can't have everything.
19:14 Doug DeMuro? It's a lot of stuff to package inside of a vehicle, but that's interesting to me. And it's something that Rivian doesn't have.
19:21 Speaker 05 And it never will.
19:21 Doug DeMuro? Probably something that's appealing to, and never will. And it's probably something that's appealing to a lot of people, particularly the type of truck people who like think this is cool, but aren't ready to commit to full EV.
19:31 Speaker 05 Maybe the news story here is that not the, like almost 50% of people want the full EV. Maybe that's more newsworthy.
19:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but Rivian's already told us that there's a huge number of people in this segment who want to fully be Now we're finding out, there's actually a huge number of people who would prefer
19:45 Speaker 05 Right.
19:45 Doug DeMuro? to have a plug-in hybrid help their EV be powered along. It's very interesting to me.
19:51 Speaker 05 Indeed. Uh, good news, Kenan.
19:53 Doug DeMuro? Another EV story.
19:54 Speaker 06 Oh my god.
19:55 Doug DeMuro? Kenan, this is actually worse than a regular EV story. Buckle up.
19:58 Speaker 06 I'm gonna take a nap.
19:59 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no, no, this is one you want to hear.
20:01 Speaker 05 You're familiar with the Acura RSX.
20:04 Speaker 06 It's pronounced Akura.
20:06 Speaker 05 It's a small two-door hatchback. They haven't had it in a while, but great six-speed manual.
20:10 Speaker 06 Yes, familiar.
20:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
20:11 Doug DeMuro? Sweet car. In Canada, they did it with hubcaps.
20:14 Speaker 05 Wow. Well, here, here, for your enjoyment, is the new Akura RSX.
20:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. The RSX has returned, and much like the Mitsubishi Eclipse.
20:26 Speaker 05 This is a Mitsubishi eclipsification of the RSX.
20:29 Doug DeMuro? The RSX is returning as an electric crossover.
20:31 Speaker 06 I like turning that into a verb.
20:32 Speaker 05 Yep. Um, it's based on the Honda Zero, theoretically based on the Honda Zero series that we talked about last week.
20:38 Doug DeMuro? I am surprised, I have to admit, I'm surprised. When you said there's a new RSX, which was announced this morning, when you said there was a new RSX, I assumed it would be based on the new Prelude.
20:46 Speaker 05 Dude, that would make a lot of sense.
20:47 Doug DeMuro? Because that's gonna be like a small Honda coupe, so I figured the RSX, which was always sort of Prelude-y, would be the Acura version. No, it's gonna be an electric crossover.
20:56 Speaker 05 And production will kick off later this year in Ohio.
20:58 Speaker 06 And no one will buy one.
20:59 Doug DeMuro? It's January 1st. Tesla gets a car to market tomorrow.
21:03 Speaker 06 Yeah, that is.
21:03 Doug DeMuro? Akura!
21:04 Speaker 06 That's like Apple when they released the iPhone. It's like
21:07 Speaker 05 You could buy it Friday.
21:08 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's like boom, that's the
21:09 Doug DeMuro? It's a huge deal. Automakers claim they can't do it because of suppliers and this and that. But getting people excited about Scout, for example, and then telling us it's not gonna be on sale till 27, it's BS. Like, it doesn't help anybody do anything. You get all excited and then you forget about it, and then something else shiny comes up and you forget about your pre-order and you're not interested anymore, and suddenly they get, they're cutting Cybertruck shifts at the plant.
21:31 Speaker 06 What is the benefit of that? Is it just hype for the brand?
21:33 Doug DeMuro? I think that they feel that they cannot control the story because eventually it'll leak, because so many people are aware of what it's gonna look like. When you think about all the suppliers and all the internal people, et cetera, et cetera. And so they would rather control the story when they, like, announce it on Their terms with the pictures they want, rather than somebody sees it in some back parking lot. And that's the only picture circulated.
21:53 Speaker 06 So, but yeah, and then it just becomes boring and who cares?
21:56 Doug DeMuro? It becomes boring by the time I promise you by the time Scout comes out, we're going to be bored of it. I promise you. Well, whatever.
22:01 Speaker 06 I just think back to the NSX, the, the new one that you love so much. I mean, that was teased for like five, six years, something crazy or Mercedes AMG project one, same thing. I think whatever.
22:11 Doug DeMuro? You know what? I'm going back on my love of the new NSX. Should have had a manual.
22:14 Speaker 05 The good news, by the way, is that nobody, nobody's excited about this car to start with and nobody will care.
22:19 Doug DeMuro? That's true. That's, it's not like people are eagerly awaiting the arrival of this car. And the great irony, of course, is that the Acura ZDX, which I presume is larger.
22:27 Speaker 05 And is prologue based.
22:29 Doug DeMuro? Right. Is already out and is not selling. And so here they're coming up with a second one. They say, we're not selling the first one. I got an idea.
22:35 Speaker 05 Yep. I just saw.
22:36 Doug DeMuro? Let's do more.
22:37 Speaker 06 Maybe they should have listened to Chrysler.
22:39 Speaker 05 Hey, the ZDX has sold 7,400 units in 2024.
22:42 Doug DeMuro? It sold 7,424.
22:44 Speaker 05 Which really means Q4 because it came out in the fall. That's not bad.
22:46 Doug DeMuro? 7,400 units. What are ZDX leases at?
22:49 Speaker 05 Oh, you, they are attractive and the ZDX is a good looking.
22:51 Doug DeMuro? 299 is the first thing that comes up.
22:53 Speaker 05 Good looking automobile.
22:54 Doug DeMuro? That's gotta be a 65 car for 299.
22:56 Speaker 05 The ZDX is a good looking.
22:57 Doug DeMuro? You could buy for 0% for 75.
22:59 Speaker 05 To be clear, we're not talking about the first generation ZDX, which is cool, but not a good looking automobile.
23:03 Doug DeMuro? It was a good looking car. The first gen ZDX previewed all future EVs.
23:05 Speaker 05 It did. I agree, but it was not a good looking car.
23:07 Doug DeMuro? The, the, the first gen ZDX and the Tesla Model Y look the same.
23:12 Doug DeMuro? I bet we've sold one. Type in ZDX 2R.
23:13 Speaker 05 I don't think we have.
23:15 Doug DeMuro? No, just type into the cars and bids to the.
23:17 Speaker 05 Have we sold one?
23:18 Doug DeMuro? To the cars and bids.
23:18 Speaker 05 2R is apparently, just go for like 2012. Nobody knows when it was around. Yeah.
23:26 Doug DeMuro? That.
23:26 Speaker 05 Look at that beak.
23:27 Doug DeMuro? That is the Tesla Model Y.
23:29 Speaker 06 God, I forgot how ugly.
23:29 Doug DeMuro? People complain so much about how this car looked. And then every EV that came out since then has taken this exact design.
23:36 Speaker 05 And attracted to.
23:37 Doug DeMuro? The Mach-E is this car.
23:41 Speaker 05 The, the handles are the same spot.
23:42 Doug DeMuro? I'm telling you, you could, yeah, that's true. You cannot tell me this is not what the Mach-E, the Model Y.
23:46 Speaker 05 No, no, it is, but execution mattered.
23:49 Speaker 06 I just felt, I always felt like it was just a swept back TL that was like melting and just slowly getting bigger.
23:53 Speaker 05 Execution mattered.
23:55 Speaker 06 It's not.
23:55 Speaker 05 And. Well.
23:58 Doug DeMuro? I think they executed it perfectly. They were just early and with a gas engine instead of an electric, which is what it should have been.
24:03 Speaker 05 Ugh.
24:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, this had a 3700 in it. That's what we in the Akira community call it.
24:09 Speaker 05 Did it? Did it ever have 3700? It wasn't just 3.5, it was 3.5.
24:12 Doug DeMuro? Well, but that gen MDX used a 3700.
24:14 Speaker 05 I know, but I don't know if the ZDX was updated.
24:16 Doug DeMuro? Well, come on.
24:16 Speaker 05 Nobody bought them, nobody knows.
24:17 Doug DeMuro? No, no, it was that era. The MDX came out in 07 in that era, and the ZDX came out in 09.
24:21 Speaker 05 But the 3.7 was partway through that MDX generation.
24:23 Doug DeMuro? No!
24:23 Speaker 05 Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Keep going. Let's move on for Ken's sake.
24:27 Speaker 06 Pull this up. Thank God we get to sports cars. Alright, good news for sports cars. So Porsche recently released their sales figures for 2024.
24:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
24:37 Speaker 06 And some interesting things in there. I'm gonna start with the non-sports cars and just talk about that a little bit. Taycan sales volume went down.
24:43 Speaker 05 How?
24:44 Speaker 06 Way down. So they went, they decreased 37.3%. They sold 4,747 units last year versus 7,000 units.
24:53 Doug DeMuro? The theme of this news section is that EV sales are not doing so hot. Speaking of, by the way, EV sales.
25:01 Speaker 06 Well, hold on, I'll get there. Hold your horses. So Panamera sales also down.
25:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
25:06 Speaker 06 McCon sales also down. Cayenne sales up 19,000 units.
25:09 Speaker 05 McCon have been out in the same exact form for 10 years.
25:12 Speaker 06 I agree.
25:12 Doug DeMuro? There is a, there is a brand new one, though.
25:14 Speaker 06 But then.
25:15 Speaker 05 They didn't deliver any 2024. They didn't deliver any 2024.
25:18 Doug DeMuro? And sales are still down.
25:20 Speaker 06 But then, we get to the sports cars. The 911 sold 14,128 units in the US. That's 4,436 over 2023. So sales are up with the 911.
25:30 Speaker 05 20%.
25:30 Doug DeMuro? That's a big number.
25:31 Speaker 06 It's a big number. And the 718 Boxer and Cayman, despite the fact they're gonna kill it in October, they said that they, so they were up 1,172 units over 2023. They sold 5,698 of them versus 4,406. 25.9%. Yeah.
25:49 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
25:49 Speaker 06 So it's clear that Porsche, who makes great sports cars, that's what people want.
25:53 Doug DeMuro? The 992.2 is responsible for some of this.
25:56 Speaker 05 Cause it had, it wasn't really out.
25:57 Doug DeMuro? It was barely out, right?
25:58 Speaker 06 Just barely out. Yeah, barely out. But I mean, GT3 sales are strong. People want.
26:02 Doug DeMuro? Here's the question. How the hell does this company come out with an electric box three Cayman?
26:07 Speaker 06 I know. They must be thinking, it's no wonder they push it back. They're like, uh, we sure?
26:12 Speaker 05 They're not ready to. Apparently they're comfortable letting a Macan sit for 10 years, but I don't think they do that for.
26:18 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting that Macan EV has come out parallel to Macan Gas.
26:21 Speaker 05 I started to see more Macan EVs.
26:23 Doug DeMuro? Same. And by the way, I had a Macan EV. I'm gonna have a review up in a couple of weeks, but I drove it.
26:27 Speaker 05 It's great.
26:27 Doug DeMuro? However, it's still a very expensive electric car.
26:30 Speaker 05 And not enough range.
26:31 Doug DeMuro? I will say the Taycan and the Macan.
26:35 Doug DeMuro? Perfect candidates for EV conversion. I mean, they're, they're cars you drive around. I hate to say it, but the Macan is not a special car like the, the, it, it, going to electric. It's not like anybody's gonna be like, oh, but the, but the sound of the old turbo four cylinders, you know?
26:49 Speaker 06 Right. Well, it's a utility. These are experiential fun cars. Nobody needs a sports car. People want and desire a sports car. And people with money want a Porsche and they want a driving experience, which is further emphasized by the sales figures on their best sports cars.
27:03 Speaker 05 It's also interesting. We talked last week about how Mustang sales are down. The Camaro's gone.
27:08 Speaker 05 Super sales are down. Maybe the like, the bottom part of the market doesn't have disposable income, but clearly the wealthier buyers are still buying sports cars. It's, it's not that, it's not that two door coupes are dead. It's that cheaper ones are, those people can't afford them anymore, but 911 buyers doing what?
27:25 Speaker 06 Long live the sports car.
27:27 Doug DeMuro? Long live the gas powered, manual transmission, rear wheel drive sports car.
27:31 Speaker 05 Like the Nissan Z.
27:32 Doug DeMuro? What an unbelievable news segment. When we started this pod, which was about a year ago, I would never have guessed that in a year, we'd be talking about how EVs are getting canceled before even going into production. And that gasoline powered sports cars are up.
27:42 Speaker 05 Drawing any takeaways from this?
27:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something. Chevy should have canceled their EVs before they went into production.
27:48 Speaker 05 What other car can you lease for $84 a month?
27:49 Doug DeMuro? You're right. The dude on Reddit who got a one pay lease for 1,500 bucks for two years and is paying an effective $81 a month.
27:55 Speaker 05 You want that?
27:55 Doug DeMuro? I want that. Yeah, but the point is the car is not sellable at its actual price. At $81 a month, that's like, that's like a $13,000 car. But it's got a 50 sticker. Meanwhile, Porsche's, these aren't selling for 40,000 off. I'll tell you that.
28:08 Speaker 05 Nope.
28:09 Speaker 06 Well, look, I speak, I believe, I'm happy, well, I'm current thesis when I say let the EVs burn, let them suffer.
28:14 Speaker 05 Oh, wow. All right.
28:16 Doug DeMuro? By the way, every 07 to 13 MDX had the 3700, as did the ZDX. Give me an apology. Move on to the next story.
28:23 Speaker 05 07 MDX has a 3.7?
28:24 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
28:24 Speaker 05 I really thought it came out with part of the facelift.
28:26 Doug DeMuro? No.
28:28 Doug DeMuro? You gotta know your MDXs. The original first gen MDX, 01 to 06, that was all the 3500. And then in 06, then in 07, the 3700 came out concurrently with the beak nose MDX.
28:38 Speaker 05 Can I give you a fun fact? That 3.7? Not used in a Honda product.
28:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, because
28:44 Speaker 05 Only Acura.
28:45 Doug DeMuro? Because it never went into the
28:46 Speaker 05 The Pilot or the Odyssey.
28:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's true.
28:48 Speaker 05 Or the V6.
28:50 Doug DeMuro? Honda was afraid it would keep luncheon transmissions. If they went up any more power, I'd be like, I don't know.
28:54 Speaker 05 Well, when you're Honda and Acura, you gotta differentiate somehow. And 0.2 liters is how you do it.
28:58 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
29:00 Doug DeMuro? The next segment is the talk cars segment, and I have a PSA.
29:03 Speaker 05 Oh, really?
29:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
29:05 Speaker 05 Okay.
29:05 Doug DeMuro? Okay, the PSA is this.
29:06 Speaker 05 Let's hear it.
29:08 Doug DeMuro? Toyota, as a lot of people know, Toyota recalled some of the turbocharged engines in the Tundras, the Sequoias, et cetera. You know about this? They're replacing engines.
29:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, for months ago.
29:18 Doug DeMuro? The hybrids were not affected. The hybrids were not affected. The Tundra and Sequoia.
29:27 Doug DeMuro? Engine recall to replace bad engines did not affect the hybrids. The hybrids were not part of the recall. Filippo.
29:38 Speaker 05 Wait, is there still a Sequoia trim that's not hybrid?
29:40 Doug DeMuro? Let me ask you this. In that, in the V6 that was recalled, were any of the hybrids recalled? No! It is unbelievable, the amount of misinformation. This has to be the top misinformation of any automotive industry thing right now. It is. You go online, all over, read it in the Toyota forums, people are like, these hybrid engines suck, they're all getting recalled. None of them have been recalled. Zero! There is a hybrid version and a non-hybrid version. The non-hybrid version was lunching itself.
30:09 Speaker 05 I love, I love that lunching hasn't appeared twice in your vernacular. I love that.
30:13 Doug DeMuro? The hybrid version is apparently totally fine.
30:17 Speaker 05 That's nice.
30:18 Doug DeMuro? I get asked this every single day about my Sequoia. Oh, is there one of the recalled ones? No, because it's a hybrid. And it was, and the hybrids aren't recalled. The hybrids weren't recalled? Yeah, they weren't. No, they weren't!
30:30 Speaker 06 I feel like this is just a conversation you've had with one of your neighbors that you just
30:33 Doug DeMuro? Everybody. No, what the problem is this. With this generation of Toyota truck, they've switched away from a V8 to a V6. Turbo V6.
30:40 Speaker 06 Shame.
30:40 Doug DeMuro? And so there is a desire among enthusiasts to heap any amount of hate they can on this motor. But specifically, the hybrid version, because the only thing worse than a turbo V6 is a hybrid turbo. That's for the, that's for the soy boy liberals. So anyway, so there's a lot of hate, like it's getting a ton of hate. And there's so much, the hybrids were not recalled. Filippo, were any hybrids recalled?
31:05 Speaker 05 Not yet.
31:07 Doug DeMuro? Not yet is the right way to say it.
31:10 Speaker 05 Toyota's having some trouble with engines though.
31:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
31:12 Speaker 05 And transmissions, isn't that the issue with the new Tacomas?
31:15 Doug DeMuro? The Tacomas are having transmission problems?
31:16 Speaker 05 The new Tacomas are having some issues.
31:18 Doug DeMuro? Like I drove.
31:18 Speaker 05 Hey, there you go.
31:19 Doug DeMuro? That's right.
31:20 Speaker 05 Um, I'm glad that your Sequoia is not recalled because you would never bring it in for the recall and therefore it would eventually be.
31:25 Doug DeMuro? Mine actually is subject to a recall right now for the rear tow hitch cover. Have I ever told this story?
31:29 Speaker 05 No.
31:30 Doug DeMuro? The rear tow hitch cover was recalled because it keeps falling off. Like if you look at it.
31:34 Speaker 05 Didn't that happen to you?
31:34 Doug DeMuro? So I'm driving through Texas and uh, I get to a gas station and I look at the back of the tow hitch cover. And then like the next day I get an email being like, we have a recall for the tow hitch cover.
31:45 Speaker 05 Well, there you go.
31:46 Doug DeMuro? Uh, mine's.
31:47 Speaker 05 Are you going to replace it?
31:48 Doug DeMuro? Somewhere in North Texas. They don't have a fix yet.
31:52 Speaker 05 That's like the time when my Ford Focus's uh, door latch stopped working. There was a recall for it. We got a fix on the recall, but we had to drive there holding the door shut.
32:00 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it wouldn't, it wouldn't stay closed.
32:02 Speaker 05 Yep.
32:02 Doug DeMuro? I remember when I went for enterprise. When I went for enterprise, the Dodge Avenger interior door handles stopped working. That was a recall.
32:09 Speaker 05 That's a good stuff.
32:09 Doug DeMuro? Dangerous recall.
32:10 Speaker 05 Yep.
32:11 Doug DeMuro? And that was Chrysler in 2008. And I remember like we'd take all the cars to the dealer to get the recall done. And you'd have to either roll down the window and like reach out.
32:18 Speaker 05 We've been really.
32:18 Doug DeMuro? ghetto stuff. These were brand new cars.
32:20 Speaker 05 We've been, if the, we've been really mean to Chrysler. We should be clear. This is a Dodge product.
32:25 Doug DeMuro? That was a Dodge product. It didn't affect similarly made Chrysler 200s. Those were excellent cars.
32:31 Speaker 05 Different door handle.
32:31 Doug DeMuro? Evo's basically.
32:34 Speaker 05 All the ass.
32:34 Speaker 06 That you asserted.
32:35 Speaker 05 The 3.6 liter Pentastar.
32:36 Doug DeMuro? The hybrids were not recalled. Filippo, give us the real talk car segment of the week.
32:41 Speaker 06 Yes.
32:41 Speaker 05 Um, I, I have won a car on Cars and Bids. I will be flying to Seattle. When people are listening to this podcast to then drive it home.
32:49 Doug DeMuro? So we gave Filippo crap for six months because the first 10 episodes of this pod, he was like, what if I get this car? What if I get that car? And after 10, 15 episodes, it became clear he was not going to be getting a car.
32:59 Speaker 06 That's correct. We're in 40 something now.
33:01 Doug DeMuro? We told him never to talk to us again until he gets a car. And then this is how this happened. One day he just sends, we have like a group text already. He then sends a picture saying, bought a car. And it shows the picture that he wanted on, on the site. He was on a conference call, like a meeting.
33:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, I, I have those.
33:20 Speaker 06 I was, I was.
33:21 Doug DeMuro? He was bidding on the meeting.
33:22 Speaker 06 We sit in cars.
33:23 Speaker 05 We, we got an app.
33:24 Speaker 06 We sit in cars at Cars and Bids to take meetings and Sean, our producer says, just looked at me. He goes, was shocked because he goes, Felipe bought a car. And I look at Filippo through the window and he's just.
33:35 Speaker 05 I was at a meeting.
33:36 Speaker 06 Yep. He was at a meeting. Yeah. No expression, no emotion, no nothing. You were just like, you, you bought a car.
33:42 Speaker 05 I would like to not say what car it is and let people find it on their own. The cure.
33:47 Speaker 06 You type Filippo in the Cars and Bids, you'll find it.
33:48 Speaker 05 We'll talk about it more next week when I have the car in my possession.
33:51 Doug DeMuro? Okay. The car Filippo bought, no, we gotta talk about it because people can see on the site.
33:55 Speaker 05 I bought a, right. I want to go to the site.
33:57 Doug DeMuro? Mark.
33:57 Speaker 06 Oh, come on.
33:58 Doug DeMuro? Use the app.
33:59 Speaker 05 Go to, go to the.
34:00 Speaker 06 Oh my.
34:01 Doug DeMuro? Filippo bought a GTI Volkswagen Golf.
34:04 Speaker 05 Oh, wow. Thank you, Kenan.
34:06 Doug DeMuro? Golf GTI.
34:07 Speaker 05 Yeah. Here, here's what happened. Every week, Kenan and I do a live now, which is on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. We talk about cars that are live that we're interested in. For that live now, I was looking through our site and I saw this. I thought, oh, a No Reserve Mark Eight. I wonder what, where the market is for these. And then I started looking more closely at this one. And it turns out that the base trim GTI fits my desires.
34:31 Speaker 05 Very well.
34:31 Doug DeMuro? All right, pull up into and tell us about the.
34:33 Speaker 05 All right, so love the Clark plaid.
34:36 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
34:36 Speaker 05 My wife, a little bit less into it, but you know, she's very generous and kind.
34:40 Doug DeMuro? She said it looked like a Catholic schoolgirl uniform.
34:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, she did.
34:43 Doug DeMuro? That's the benefit.
34:44 Speaker 05 Real quote.
34:46 Doug DeMuro? That is why people like it.
34:46 Speaker 05 But it, the base trim GTI is really well specced because I care about sport, sportiness and having fun. Has a good seats, has a six speed manual, also has adaptive cruise control and blind spot and heated seats and a heated steering wheel.
35:00 Doug DeMuro? But the best part is.
35:02 Speaker 05 Best part is it has a volume knob, which I don't care.
35:04 Doug DeMuro? Big complaint about the latest GTI is that there's the slider for the volume and for the climate control, which by the way, works fantastically. And everybody who's complaining about it is not particularly bright.
35:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
35:14 Doug DeMuro? They don't know how to slide their finger. But if you don't want it, all you have to do is get the base model and then you actually still get the climate knob. We've discovered this.
35:23 Speaker 05 You know, the worst part, though, I hate Volkswagen volume knobs because the volume symbol turns.
35:27 Doug DeMuro? Thank you.
35:28 Speaker 05 And I forgot about that till right till this very moment.
35:30 Doug DeMuro? The volume circle.
35:32 Speaker 06 Furiating. Design, unbelievable. That's still an issue.
35:36 Speaker 05 But I'm incredibly excited. We're going to drive home from Seattle over this weekend. The seller has been fantastic. The, I'm sure she will not mind me saying this, she had a Mark IV GTI upgraded to this, decided this is too techie for her and went out and bought a Mark IV R32 in blue.
35:54 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
35:54 Speaker 05 Which is a really special. Which is a really special car. So she has a cooler garage than I do.
35:58 Doug DeMuro? I have to say something.
35:59 Speaker 05 I'm excited to you. Yeah.
36:01 Doug DeMuro? You were, you were talking about a 997, you were talking about a C6, you're talking about importing a multipla. And then you ended up switching your hot hatch for like a more grown up version of your hot hatch.
36:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
36:14 Doug DeMuro? I just, I want, we were hoping that you would come into the, you've been talking about a Corvette for years. You're in an age where you can have a Corvette before you have children.
36:23 Speaker 05 Though.
36:23 Doug DeMuro? This was an opportunity.
36:24 Speaker 05 I want to make something really clear. This has exactly as much torque as a 997 base.
36:31 Speaker 06 Filippo, we want you to live.
36:33 Speaker 05 And I am living high.
36:34 Doug DeMuro? I will say this.
36:35 Speaker 05 This is nine years newer than my current used car.
36:37 Doug DeMuro? I will say this, I have significant regrets legitimately about not having more sports cars before I had kids. I, when I was younger, I thought AMG wagons and wagons were cool and I had a CTSV wagon, an AMG wagon. And in retrospect, I think it was stupid that I was driving around in four door practical cars.
36:54 Speaker 05 For you who will regret this, yes, I will not regret this.
36:57 Doug DeMuro? You're not going to regret not having a C6. I'm proud, I'm happy that you bought this car. I think you bought a car.
37:03 Speaker 05 Thank you.
37:03 Doug DeMuro? You finally stepped up. I'm happy you bought this car. I wish you would live. I wish you would just sink your teeth into life. What's going to happen to the 500 of Barth?
37:16 Speaker 05 Almost certainly we will be selling it. My wife and I are not yet in agreement with what we're doing with it, but I think we'll likely sell it. So you might see it on Cars and Bits soon.
37:25 Doug DeMuro? Cars and Bits and Ken will clean it?
37:27 Speaker 05 I am.
37:28 Speaker 06 I'd like to paint correct it. I'd like to do the whole thing.
37:30 Speaker 05 Now, I did clean it on Saturday, so I don't know what more would be necessary.
37:33 Speaker 06 Like, like I said, I will clean it.
37:36 Doug DeMuro? Cleaned it on Saturday. He cleaned it on Saturday with a, with a rusty nail and a faraway fence.
37:41 Speaker 06 Some hopes and dreams. Yeah.
37:44 Speaker 05 But I am incredibly excited. You guys will see a GTI on the Cars and Bits channel video soon. Like very soon.
37:50 Speaker 06 I'm excited for you to get it. I am proud of you for having bought a car.
37:55 Speaker 05 You guys are both so incredibly disappointed and I find that incredibly amusing.
37:58 Doug DeMuro? I'm not disappointed because I like the Mark 8. I had one as a press car. I think it's a great car. I just, I just, instead of you always making the practical choice, which you have made my, the entire time I've known you.
38:08 Speaker 05 Practical choices.
38:08 Doug DeMuro? I've known you for 15 years and you've always.
38:10 Speaker 05 Practical choices.
38:11 Doug DeMuro? All I want is for you to make the fun choice once. I want you to have fun.
38:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, I didn't buy a base golf. Perfect, because it's not for sale in the US and market.
38:22 Speaker 06 Go back and watch your Cars and Bits video you did with the Corvette. You were having such a great time. That could be you. That could be win.
38:28 Speaker 05 Maybe I'll sell the wagon and the Barth and then buy a C7.
38:31 Speaker 06 No, you won't. You're, you're.
38:33 Speaker 05 No chance.
38:35 Doug DeMuro? So now he's got, he's got.
38:36 Speaker 06 But imagine, this is what he thinks is fun when he does have kids. Imagine how boring, practical car he. Have then.
38:41 Doug DeMuro? Between Filippo has no children or anything, two, two, him and his wife, two people. He's got between them, he's got eight doors plus the hatchbacks.
38:48 Speaker 05 11 seats, 11 seats.
38:50 Doug DeMuro? 12 seats, sorry, 12 seats.
38:51 Speaker 06 He was talking that he needed a car to transport seven people.
38:54 Doug DeMuro? You and your wife and your dog.
38:56 Speaker 05 In our car often, I don't understand what that's.
38:59 Doug DeMuro? I know, but that's one car.
39:01 Speaker 06 That's a rental car you have a couple of weekends a year.
39:03 Doug DeMuro? You're, you're. Or one vehicle that you have, you have a, for a second car, you had the chance to sink your teeth into something. You could have had a ZR1.
39:10 Speaker 05 I am who I am.
39:11 Doug DeMuro? I know, I know. And that's just the truth.
39:13 Speaker 05 Who I am and I, I have a hundred percent of GTI guy more than I'm a barth guy. I've had that car for two years.
39:17 Doug DeMuro? I agree with that. You, that is true. You are more a GTI guy. In our comments, there are people who identify with you.
39:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
39:23 Doug DeMuro? Who are like, I am Filippo. You guys shouldn't make so much fun of him for being the practical, cheap, smart choice guy. It's who he is. It's who I am. And it's like, you know what? Fine.
39:32 Speaker 06 That's great. Good for you. Life is for living. That's what.
39:34 Speaker 05 You have a four door sedan.
39:37 Speaker 06 Yes, I have a four, yes, with individual throttle, double the horsepower. I will still walk away from here on the highway.
39:44 Doug DeMuro? How much power does this have?
39:45 Speaker 05 241 and 273 pound feet of torque.
39:47 Speaker 06 I will dust you.
39:48 Doug DeMuro? Are you sure?
39:49 Speaker 06 Yeah, I'm positive.
39:50 Doug DeMuro? You think M5 is faster than this?
39:51 Speaker 06 Absolutely. Plus he's driving it. He doesn't rev over 3000.
39:54 Speaker 05 GTI might be equivalent fast, but the M5 is faster.
39:57 Speaker 06 What's the zero to 60 in the?
39:59 Speaker 05 4.7. Yeah, by a second or two, second and a half.
40:01 Speaker 06 Second or two.
40:02 Doug DeMuro? It's not close. Yeah.
40:03 Speaker 06 Yeah, not exactly. Hell yeah.
40:05 Speaker 05 My torque stat.
40:06 Doug DeMuro? I bet I could get it. Keep up.
40:08 Speaker 06 I'll bet you you could.
40:08 Speaker 05 Pretty confident my torque stat.
40:10 Speaker 06 Bet you you could.
40:10 Doug DeMuro? Okay, there you go. Filippo bought a car. Congratulations to Filippo.
40:13 Speaker 06 Bravo Filippo. We can't wait to see it in person. Also, the pictures got to get to look.
40:17 Speaker 05 Literally the same torque figure as a 997, 997.
40:20 Speaker 06 That's not some, a base 997.
40:23 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
40:23 Speaker 06 Base 911 from 20 years ago.
40:26 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the, we're going to talk more about GTI next week when you get it and bring it down here. We're going to have it in the background. We're going to do a whole thing.
40:31 Speaker 05 Over the Countach's?
40:32 Doug DeMuro? I'm going to lick it on camera.
40:33 Speaker 05 Please don't.
40:34 Speaker 06 Oh, he's done it to my M5. It's very irritating.
40:36 Doug DeMuro? Can you pull up the, the last slide here for us?
40:39 Speaker 06 Oh, yes.
40:40 Doug DeMuro? I met the market the other day. And um
40:42 Speaker 05 I'm packed cakes.
40:43 Doug DeMuro? And let me tell you what happened. Okay? This is a, this is an honest to God story. I'm at the market the other day and they, Hot Wheels are there and they're three bucks each. Okay. And I wanted
40:52 Speaker 05 What?
40:53 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. Two. I don't know. It was some amount of money.
40:55 Speaker 05 I only buy them if they're, they're one for one.
40:56 Doug DeMuro? I think there were three. They're three bucks each. And so I, and I wanted four, but then it said they're 10 for $10. And I'm like, they're basically four, I can't buy four because that's 12 dollars.
41:06 Speaker 05 This is such a Doug story because when they're 10 for $10 at our local grocery store, you buy one, it's a dollar.
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42:11 Doug DeMuro? Melissa told me that I could have gotten away with that, but anyway. So I'm like, all right, I'm like, all right, well, if I bought four, it's for me 12 bucks. I gotta buy 10 now because then it'll go down to 10 bucks.
42:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
42:21 Doug DeMuro? So I was tricked by the, by big Hot Wheels.
42:23 Speaker 05 You were.
42:23 Doug DeMuro? By Mattel. Mattel tricked me into buying hot, anyway. One of the Hot Wheels and one of the reasons I even wanted the four in the first place, and I gave a couple to Filippo.
42:30 Speaker 05 You didn't.
42:31 Doug DeMuro? One of them, a Pontiac Aztec, I think.
42:32 Speaker 05 I actually have an XC40.
42:33 Doug DeMuro? Monster truck.
42:34 Speaker 05 Yep.
42:34 Doug DeMuro? Which is rare. I mean, there's not a lot of those out there.
42:38 Doug DeMuro? But one of them was a Proton Saga and um, this is odd.
42:43 Doug DeMuro? To me, I don't know how much you know about Proton or the Proton brand.
42:48 Speaker 05 I'm familiar with the Malaysian brand Proton.
42:49 Doug DeMuro? Proton is a Malaysian brand who, for decades, maybe still, their only vehicles that they produced were they would buy the tooling from Japanese cars after the Japanese car brand was done making the car, and then they would make the car in Malaysia as a brand new car. So like the 08 Honda Accord was their most famous one. That car ended production in 13, then then Proton was like, alright, we'll buy the tooling. So they came out with the brand new 2014 Proton whatever. Well, it's already a seven-year-old car, but they didn't have to do any development. The Saga was an 80s version of this, and it was a Mitsubishi. I think it was the Mitsubishi Galant or the or the Precise sold in the US as, I don't remember which. But this is
43:29 Doug DeMuro? a rebadged Malaysian market former Mitsubishi. Why did Hot Wheels create a version of this car?
43:37 Speaker 05 Let's face it.
43:38 Doug DeMuro? New for 24. What? Why? How did you? Why?
43:42 Speaker 06 Because they've done every car, and they're running out.
43:45 Speaker 05 I'm so into this.
43:46 Doug DeMuro? I haven't done the Acura ZDX. Anyway, obviously I bought it.
43:50 Speaker 06 Maybe that will be game number 42 of 250 or 40.
43:53 Doug DeMuro? New for 24, just like in Malaysia. It's also new for 24. It's a 1980s Mitsubishi.
43:58 Speaker 05 It's based on a version of the Lancer. I'm not sure if it's ever sold here, but it's a compact king, so the ZDX wouldn't fit in.
44:02 Doug DeMuro? Well, the Lancer, that gen Lancer, wasn't that gen Lancer sold here as the Precise?
44:05 Speaker 05 According to Wikipedia, it was the Lancer Fiore.
44:08 Doug DeMuro? But wasn't that sold here as the Precise?
44:10 Speaker 05 I don't know.
44:11 Doug DeMuro? Uh, anyway, the point remains unbelievable, that they would take a
44:14 Speaker 05 Mirage.
44:15 Doug DeMuro? rebadged Malaysian car.
44:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
44:18 Doug DeMuro? From the 80s.
44:19 Speaker 05 That's wild.
44:20 Doug DeMuro? And sell it as a Hot Wheels. How is this happening?
44:22 Speaker 05 Who at Mattel got away with this?
44:23 Doug DeMuro? Who at Mattel was like, we're not even gonna do the Mitsubishi version. We're gonna do the rebadged Malaysian version.
44:29 Speaker 06 And if you happen to work for Hot Wheels and decided to do this, please let us know, because I'd be very curious on the thought process that arrived at this being produced.
44:35 Doug DeMuro? They sold one to me, and you know what? I got no regrets, and I would buy another one.
44:37 Speaker 06 Look, we're talking about enough.
44:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. And you know what? I'm keeping my mint in box.
44:41 Speaker 05 Yeah, you should.
44:41 Doug DeMuro? Because it's cool as hell.
44:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
44:42 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna buy a second one that I can drive around.
44:44 Speaker 06 You can drive. Yeah, good driver and one you put in the garage.
44:47 Doug DeMuro? Exactly, exactly. Yeah, new and wrapper.
44:49 Speaker 05 Yep.
44:50 Speaker 06 Extraordinary.
44:51 Speaker 05 Can I talk about my second U.S. driver? All right, please move forward one more slide.
44:54 Doug DeMuro? Oh God. What do you think this is? Well, I know what this is because you said earlier, but it is a pure, I would think that it's a Purosangue. What?
45:01 Speaker 05 It's not. It's a Toyota Crown.
45:02 Doug DeMuro? It's a Toyota Crown.
45:03 Speaker 05 So Toyota sells a Crown SUV in other markets, inexplicably not in the US. It is not the same as the Crown Signia that's sold here. It's a different version. It's a Crown SUV.
45:11 Doug DeMuro? God.
45:12 Speaker 05 But there is a new body kit for it that makes it look even more like the Purosangue.
45:17 Speaker 06 Right. Now, of course, the Purosangue has suicide doors.
45:20 Speaker 05 So wait, is this?
45:20 Doug DeMuro? Well, there are some other differences. Is this the OE version or is this the body kit?
45:25 Speaker 05 This is the body kit version. It only changes the front end and the rear end.
45:27 Doug DeMuro? The front, to be fair, those are the Toyota headlights.
45:29 Speaker 05 Those are, but they also are kind of the Purosangue headlights.
45:32 Doug DeMuro? So this is a?
45:32 Speaker 05 Pull up a Purosangue.
45:33 Doug DeMuro? Toyota makes a Purosangue?
45:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, the news story has been around the body kit, but frankly, it's that the Toyota Crown looks like a Purosangue.
45:42 Doug DeMuro? Huh.
45:42 Speaker 05 Like, pull up a Toyota Crown SUV, but you gotta be specific about it.
45:46 Doug DeMuro? Huh.
45:47 Speaker 05 Toyota Crown Sport is what it's called.
45:52 Speaker 06 Oh, I can't.
45:53 Speaker 05 Oh, my goodness.
45:54 Speaker 06 Sorry to type. Okay.
45:56 Speaker 05 So by default, it kind of looks like a Purosangue.
45:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, go back. Pull back out. Pull back out. Unzoom. Unzoom. All the unzoom there is. Pull up this one, this gray one down here. That does have Purosangue in it.
46:08 Speaker 05 By straight up default, it looks like a Purosangue.
46:10 Doug DeMuro? Especially the glass house. Yeah.
46:12 Speaker 05 And then you add the like body kit that fixes the valence and the rear end and it looks like a Purosangue.
46:18 Doug DeMuro? Drawback, of course, is that the Purosangue has got a screaming V12 where I assume this has some sort of 1.6 liter hybrid two cylinder that gets 84 miles per gallon.
46:27 Speaker 05 I, where is the drawback in this?
46:32 Doug DeMuro? Oh my God, that is the Felipe-est Felipe that ever Felipe.
46:36 Speaker 05 So if you want to look like you have a Purosangue on a budget and you're in Japan where the Crown Sport is sold, here's your option.
46:43 Doug DeMuro? Here's your option.
46:44 Speaker 05 Although maybe it's also sold in European markets based on that plate.
46:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Um, well, that's interesting.
46:49 Speaker 06 What self-respecting German would do this? That's just.
46:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Well, if you want to look cool, but you have to get a Toyota Crown Sport, so they sell a Crown that isn't the US, the Crown Signia is a different Crown SUV overseas.
47:02 Speaker 05 Good luck making some sense. When the Crown sedan, which is sold in the US, pull it up, please, kind of. Because everybody needs to appreciate the
47:10 Doug DeMuro? It's amazing to me that they get away with this many Especially because the Crown Signia is generally agreed will be a failure, even by Toyota.
47:16 Speaker 05 No, no, that looks too good. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
47:21 Doug DeMuro? Wait, there's a different Crown overseas?
47:23 Speaker 05 Uh, I think there's just some like small difference, but the Crown is like a full lineup for Toyota in Japan and some other markets. They bring the Crown Signia, but not their SUV, despite the fact that that's the hottest selling segment.
47:34 Doug DeMuro? I actually liked, but like it's not a viable vehicle in this market.
47:38 Speaker 05 But like, I don't, when they first came out with the Crown, they didn't, they said they weren't bringing in a SUV over at all. It was just gonna be the sedan, which made no sense.
47:45 Doug DeMuro? You know, on this subject, this isn't one of my topics, but I want to talk to you about it because it's a big deal. You know Nissan's coming with a brand new fully redesigned Murano. In fact, they'll bring it here tomorrow. So I looked up sales. Murano sales peaked, peaked at like 80,000 units.
47:57 Speaker 05 In what, 04?
47:58 Doug DeMuro? You know what they did last year?
47:59 Speaker 05 12.
48:00 Doug DeMuro? 19. Here's a couple.
48:01 Speaker 05 That's actually more than I thought.
48:02 Doug DeMuro? And by the way, the new Xterra? Oh, oh, oh, no, wait, it's been 13 years. I added this together. And since Nissan canceled the Xterra, Toyota has sold in the United States only 1.1 million forerunners. That's not an exaggeration. Since the Nissan Xterra was canceled, Toyota sold 1.1 million forerunners.
48:28 Speaker 05 They didn't even redesign it, redesign it once in that time.
48:29 Doug DeMuro? They didn't redesign it in that time. And, and
48:32 Speaker 05 It's not a joke.
48:33 Doug DeMuro? Nissan has sold zero Xterras. And they're instead spending the resources to redesign the Murano, of which they sold 19,000 of last year.
48:42 Speaker 05 Ford is trembling in their boots that there's a new Ford Edge competitor.
48:45 Doug DeMuro? You, no, Edge is gone. Dude, this is the other thing about it.
48:47 Speaker 05 You're right.
48:48 Doug DeMuro? This is the other interesting thing. The two row midsize segment is down to three vehicles. Can you name them? Oh, if you want to call the Outback.
48:55 Speaker 05 Which you do, because every comparison test that has ever compared any of them, including the Outback.
48:59 Doug DeMuro? It's the Murano, the Passport.
49:01 Speaker 05 The Venza till the last year.
49:02 Doug DeMuro? Venza's canceled too. This is the thing.
49:04 Speaker 05 Right. Well, the Venza's been replaced with a Crown Signia.
49:05 Doug DeMuro? Every automaker has been like, okay, we either have to cancel or go off roading. Or go three row.
49:10 Speaker 05 Oh, the Blazer, of course.
49:12 Doug DeMuro? The Blazer's gone. There's only EV.
49:14 Speaker 05 No, no, it still exists.
49:14 Speaker 06 I really apologize if you're into sports cars. The brutal podcast.
49:18 Doug DeMuro? No, if you're into off rotors, this is a real topic because the Xterra should still. This just is the most mind numbingly bad product planning decision I think that has been made since 2000, the last 25 years.
49:30 Speaker 05 You know what, there was new, we talked about the Honda Nissan merger. You know what Honda is like trying to claim Nissan will be helpful for? Large off rotor SUVs because they have their Armada and the QX80. And Honda's like, oh, they'll help us be in the development of these very hot vehicles.
49:46 Doug DeMuro? Toyota has sold 1.1 million forerunners unanswered by Nissan. And you know what the craziest thing about it is? You know who has the platform? Where does the forerunner come from? The Tacoma, right? You know who has the platform? Uh, Nissan has the platform to develop this truck.
50:03 Speaker 05 Very successful Frontier and the very successful Titan platform that they developed specially for the Titan.
50:07 Doug DeMuro? And it's like, okay.
50:08 Speaker 05 20 years ago.
50:09 Doug DeMuro? You're sitting there with all the tools. I can't help you anymore. I've made 50 videos about the fact that the Xterra should never have been canceled. And I can't help them anymore. Instead, they're bringing a Murano here. They sold 19,000.
50:21 Speaker 05 Why is there a new Murano? Like truly.
50:22 Doug DeMuro? It honestly makes no sense to me. I'm sure it'll have a sales bump. They'll sell 30,000 of them, but Toyota's selling 100,000 forerunners a year.
50:30 Speaker 05 You gotta assume that all 19, that 18 and a half of the 19,000 were to enterprise.
50:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, a lot of fleet sales. I think the whole thing is absolutely crazy.
50:38 Speaker 05 Is it, is it a hybrid? New Murano?
50:40 Doug DeMuro? Uh, it's a four, I can't remember. I just wrote all the stuff down. It's a four cylinder now. Okay, let's move on to the market report because we're going to get to questions. Market report, market report, market report, brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. To access the market report, you click on the app and then you market report your app.
50:53 Speaker 05 All right, this is why from now on I'm in charge.
50:58 Speaker 05 Can we start this off by talking about the Chevrolet SS? Because I want to talk about sports cars for you, Ken.
51:05 Speaker 05 All right.
51:05 Speaker 06 What about the SS?
51:06 Speaker 05 We have at this moment, a, an SS live with a 16 manual. It's bidding is at 27 grand with a, in the first day. Yesterday, we sold an automatic SS for 23.
51:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:18 Speaker 05 And general automatic SSs are kind of a deal.
51:20 Doug DeMuro? What was the mileage?
51:21 Speaker 06 That's because nobody wants it. The manual.
51:23 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the mileage. I think it actually would be a pretty cool daily because.
51:27 Speaker 05 77, one owner, unmodified.
51:29 Doug DeMuro? Nice.
51:30 Speaker 05 Right. They seem so underappreciated.
51:33 Speaker 06 This car is often compared to mine and because it has an NAV eight, a six speed manual and rear wheel drive.
51:38 Speaker 05 And 400 horsepower.
51:39 Speaker 06 Forget the six speed manual. Well, a little more, but yeah, I think it's 400 and oh wait, the manual has like 415.
51:45 Speaker 05 Some more.
51:46 Speaker 06 But it weighs more. So you figure it's probably pretty similar.
51:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
51:49 Speaker 06 But nonetheless, like, yeah, the manual is what people want.
51:53 Speaker 05 Yeah. Filippo's point makes sense though. I mean, if you want a daily at like a cool car for 20 grand.
51:57 Doug DeMuro? 3.
51:57 Speaker 05 It's an eight year old car.
51:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but you don't commute.
52:01 Speaker 06 Yeah, but I've driven that car in LA.
52:02 Speaker 05 You can drive a manual for your daily commute, but maybe you want a $20,000 Chevy SS. What other V8?
52:09 Doug DeMuro? Commute in a manual if you paid me to do it.
52:11 Speaker 05 What other you commute here in a manual almost every day.
52:13 Doug DeMuro? I know, but I don't commute like the people who commute from Escanito.
52:16 Speaker 06 When I lived in Ohio, it was a 30 minute commute to my office.
52:19 Speaker 05 Yeah. On a nice sweeping back road where your only risk was a year.
52:23 Speaker 06 Highway and traffic. Every time I'd leave it was bad. Sugar and falls people know.
52:26 Doug DeMuro? When I was 20, I would have done it too.
52:28 Speaker 06 I was younger. Yeah.
52:29 Speaker 05 I would still do it today. Um, buying a manual car.
52:34 Doug DeMuro? It's cheaper.
52:34 Speaker 06 But it is remarkable to me that the six speed ones have held their value as well.
52:37 Speaker 05 They have held their value, but like.
52:38 Doug DeMuro? And that there's such a big gap.
52:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
52:40 Speaker 06 Yeah. Is, well, no, that makes sense to me. Um, but the, it, it is an interesting car because it was, it just was maligned when it came out. People thought it looked way too normal and not.
52:50 Speaker 05 I love it.
52:50 Speaker 06 Sporty enough, which was kind of the appeal.
52:52 Speaker 05 Yeah, I agree. That was kind of the appeal.
52:54 Speaker 06 And I.
52:55 Speaker 05 Especially in this era when cars were starting, designs were starting to get a little.
52:58 Speaker 06 Yeah, we'll say extreme, but it is, it is interesting that the manual ones really, if so, if you buy a manual one and drive it and they're like, you're not going to lose that much on it.
53:05 Speaker 05 A little bit over 20 grand is for a LS3 powered.
53:09 Doug DeMuro? There's another one here, 21.
53:10 Speaker 05 That was heavily modified.
53:11 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but the point remains like these cars are available in the low twenties if you, if you're willing to take.
53:15 Speaker 05 Like what? I would rather have an SS than a Charger. Certainly.
53:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
53:19 Speaker 05 And I can't think, and I would rather, would you rather have it than a, what was the last V8? Powered reasonable BMW. The M5, the F10 M5 is cheaper somehow, but like-
53:31 Speaker 06 With a manual?
53:32 Speaker 05 No, with an automatic.
53:33 Speaker 06 Well, F90 also is also turbo V8.
53:36 Speaker 05 Yeah, fair.
53:37 Doug DeMuro? These have good equipment, they're reliable, good looking cars. The interiors are actually pretty big.
53:42 Speaker 06 This one, if you, we're looking at this burgundy one that we sold in 2020. I remember this startup video, because this thing is Canada, 719 horsepower. This one will put it there. Yeah, it is.
53:54 Doug DeMuro? Not surprised to see an Arizona license plate on that car.
53:56 Speaker 06 No, I remember, I remember, I think I wrote that one or edited that one. I can't recall exactly which, but I remember it very well. Nonetheless.
54:02 Speaker 05 It feels like a deal. I'm surprised by how cheap it is. The sticks though are really holding their value.
54:06 Speaker 06 Yeah.
54:07 Speaker 05 I would be, I would be curious what the sticker was.
54:09 Speaker 06 How many miles does this one have? I mean, it's almost 60,000.
54:12 Speaker 05 It's a $20,000 gap.
54:13 Doug DeMuro? What was sticker, Felipe, on one of these? This car sold for 42. I mean, I know there's inflation, but I can't imagine the differences.
54:21 Speaker 06 Boom. Sticker was 49, 47.
54:24 Doug DeMuro? What other GM product?
54:26 Speaker 05 Right.
54:26 Doug DeMuro? You walk into a Chevy dealer in 16, every other one of those cars is currently traded in $11 and a fish filet.
54:32 Speaker 05 Having spent a lot of time looking at C7s, a 6-speed manual 2016 C7 without miles is a 35 car.
54:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
54:40 Speaker 05 So the, the autos just seem like kind of a deal.
54:44 Doug DeMuro? The autos are deals if you, if you want just a cool car and you want a daily commute and you, and you're not necessarily looking for the, the fun of the manual or paying up for the manual.
54:51 Speaker 05 If you're gonna buy a Charger, don't.
54:53 Speaker 06 But if you want to buy, if you want to buy one of these and you want it to hold its value, get the manual.
54:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I think that's the other conversation point here is that if you get a stick, you can probably get in and out of it without really losing any money and they're probably reliable.
55:04 Speaker 06 But again, that's our mentality is cost of ownership.
55:07 Doug DeMuro? Right.
55:08 Speaker 06 His mentality is just cost of purchase.
55:10 Speaker 05 Optimized for both this time.
55:12 Doug DeMuro? All right, Ken, give us some market reports.
55:14 Speaker 06 So we had an interesting sale recently. So we sold a Boxer Spider RS, which is incredibly desirable car.
55:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:24 Speaker 06 But this one here, this one, I mean, this one's nicely optioned. 37 miles to start, but it had VIsoc package.
55:29 Speaker 05 Yep.
55:29 Speaker 06 Finished in kind of an interesting color combination, sold for 221, which is not far off its MSRP.
55:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I think I, I looked at the sticker was like 217, right?
55:37 Speaker 06 Yeah, I think so. This is a, but still 217 was the sticker. So it's like, pretty close to what they, they've come down, you're not paying, you know, 50 grand over sticker to get one of these.
55:46 Doug DeMuro? I have noticed this also on certain other sites. I have noticed it also for GT4RS.
55:51 Speaker 06 Yep.
55:52 Doug DeMuro? The, everybody thought this would be like the hottest like flippers Porsche ever like it was gonna be like 2x MSRP. Then they made a lot of them.
56:01 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's not a limited production.
56:02 Doug DeMuro? It's not limited, they're still making them. So, how many you got?
56:06 Speaker 05 Obviously, the Boxer SP RS came out for 24, but the GT4 RS came out 23.
56:11 Doug DeMuro? Maybe.
56:12 Speaker 05 They've been around for a bit now.
56:13 Doug DeMuro? They've been around, used ones are available, they're pretty easy to find. My understanding is allocations are not incredibly hard to get.
56:19 Speaker 06 Yes, I've heard that. I've heard, and for 4RS, same thing I've heard. If you, you can get one, just be a little patient, it'll show up.
56:25 Doug DeMuro? Which, by the way, I think is kind of a cool thing about this car. Another cool thing about this car, that it's not such, like the 911ST is a god car that we're never gonna be able to own.
56:32 Speaker 06 Yeah.
56:33 Doug DeMuro? Or drive, or see. But like this car, we, there's at least a couple of these and the coupes that come to Cars and Coffee every week. Like, this is an available car. It's expensive, but it's not 2X sticker and people are gonna hold them in their garage and never, and never take them out.
56:45 Speaker 05 Which is maybe the curse of the Boxer a little bit.
56:47 Doug DeMuro? Well, I think if you're thinking about it as a collector. Yeah, you wouldn't buy this if you were thinking about it as a collector. The Porsche priced it high and, and there's no cap on numbers.
56:56 Speaker 06 Exactly. And it's a tip. Uh, if they had done a limited version of it with a manual and like, that, there would be a car that people would be paying $50.
57:03 Doug DeMuro? If there was a stick of this.
57:05 Speaker 06 Oh, man, it'd be the best. I, I still think this is.
57:08 Doug DeMuro? It'd be hard not to buy it.
57:08 Speaker 06 Yeah, one of the best modern sports cars currently in production, I would say, and it's, and it's crazy, but with a stick it probably, you could, you could argue it was the best. The ST is, is probably, is better, but like, I mean, it's a very special car regardless.
57:21 Speaker 05 Double the price.
57:21 Speaker 06 But nonetheless, an interesting result. Um, I was, I was, I was a little surprised, even. I thought I would go for a little, little bit more than sticker, but turns out, not so.
57:31 Doug DeMuro? That's where they are. Um, you had an R230 SL55 point as well.
57:35 Speaker 06 Oh, yes. So, we talked about this, uh, on, on our Live Now.
57:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we did.
57:40 Speaker 06 Segment. And this SL55, R23003, sold for 12 Gs.
57:45 Doug DeMuro? What was the mileage?
57:46 Speaker 06 83.7. So, high mileage. And not the best car coming, you know, silver with a gray interior, but that is, I mean, that's a 400, it was 463 horsepower, right? Yeah, 493 horsepower, 516 foot pounds of torque, a seriously fast car.
57:59 Speaker 05 They look good, too.
58:00 Speaker 06 I think, I personally. That rear view, we talked about that view, the rear view of it is looks so wide and ah.
58:06 Doug DeMuro? And a reliable powertrain.
58:09 Speaker 06 Yes, that you can, if you wanted to modify, you can, and it's still reliable.
58:12 Doug DeMuro? Older Mercedes have this reputation for being unreliable, which has dogged all their recent values. But if you know the few diamonds in the rough that are reliable, you can make a really good buy. You're right about this car. I didn't really think that much about it, but this is a reliable 500. How many reliable 500 horsepower cars exist? Number one. Number two, for 12 grand, go back to the, to the, to the list of the sales.
58:33 Speaker 06 Yeah. So look at.
58:34 Doug DeMuro? Did any sell with those wheels that I love, those million spokes? Oh.
58:37 Speaker 06 Ah, the million, yeah, the million spokes. This one for 20. Yeah, look at.
58:40 Doug DeMuro? That wheel. If I showed up at Filippo's house with that wheel.
58:45 Speaker 06 You've already fired his father and you've, you've given yourself a bonus. But.
58:49 Doug DeMuro? So there it is.
58:50 Speaker 06 No, but I mean, so many of them are.
58:52 Doug DeMuro? Filippo would say, you know what?
58:53 Speaker 06 10, 13, 15.
58:56 Doug DeMuro? 10 with those wheels?
58:57 Speaker 06 Yeah.
58:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
58:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, they're bargains.
58:59 Speaker 06 14.
58:59 Speaker 05 I think people are scared about reliability, even if people misunderstand the engine and there are others.
59:03 Doug DeMuro? It's costly to maintain.
59:04 Speaker 06 It's not.
59:05 Speaker 05 ABC is costly.
59:06 Speaker 06 It's not the engine that's expensive, it's the, it's the suspension.
59:09 Doug DeMuro? To be clear, there are issues. The car is not free to own. It's not like a Toyota. But it's also not incredibly unreliably expen- like it's.
59:18 Speaker 06 No.
59:18 Doug DeMuro? Car's 12 grand. I mean, I can't believe what these are selling for.
59:21 Speaker 05 I know. It's a good deal.
59:22 Speaker 06 That's a serious bargain.
59:23 Doug DeMuro? It's also, if you, it's the kind of car, like that 07 with the red interior. That's the kind of car you pull up in front of somebody's house. They're like, damn, that's a cool car. Not knowing that you bought it for like the price of a Dodge Dart. I mean, look at this. This is a cool looking car.
59:36 Speaker 06 Dart, sure.
59:37 Doug DeMuro? If you put on those things.
59:39 Speaker 05 Again.
59:39 Speaker 06 Yeah, gotta put on the.
59:40 Doug DeMuro? And the, the hood on it. There's a few things this one needs.
59:43 Speaker 06 It's not perfect.
59:44 Doug DeMuro? But it was 14. It was 14. For 20, you'd be in that car perfect.
59:48 Speaker 06 I still like this one for 12.
59:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
59:50 Speaker 06 That's just.
59:50 Speaker 05 What a bargain.
59:51 Speaker 06 What a bargain. Yeah.
59:52 Speaker 05 Do you think every 03 Mercedes kind of is a bargain fundamentally?
59:57 Speaker 06 Well, there aren't a lot of good ones.
59:58 Doug DeMuro? Well, the E55s also from this era.
59:59 Speaker 05 Our, our.
1:00:00 Doug DeMuro? The cool thing about the SL is, is like, it was like a beautiful flagship. I wouldn't call it a sports car, but I like a sport tour, touring, you know, real car.
1:00:09 Speaker 06 Kind of as closest Mercedes Benz came at the time. They didn't really build sports cars as much, but.
1:00:14 Speaker 05 The SLR?
1:00:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:00:16 Speaker 05 We're gonna stand by what we've said here.
1:00:17 Speaker 06 Built the SLR.
1:00:17 Doug DeMuro? Oh damn. Wow.
1:00:19 Speaker 06 It was built in Woking. There are pictures of it in the McLaren factory.
1:00:21 Doug DeMuro? What about the SL5? What about the SLK? You don't have any respect for the SLK?
1:00:24 Speaker 06 It's okay.
1:00:28 Doug DeMuro? No, but you're right.
1:00:30 Speaker 06 I mean, but you know what I'm saying. I mean, the Mercedes Benz is not known for that. But this, this car, again, if you are thinking about buying a sport, if you're thinking about buying a convertible and you want a German luxury car with real power. I mean, this is a serious.
1:00:43 Doug DeMuro? What do the twin turbo, what do the 65s go for? What do the 600s go for?
1:00:47 Speaker 06 Not that much. 600?
1:00:49 Speaker 05 You gotta move Angie.
1:00:50 Speaker 06 Oh, right. 60, 65s, depending on mileage, bring big money.
1:00:55 Doug DeMuro? Oh, 600s are like the same, but I don't know anything about that motor. I don't know if that motor is as reliable. I know the M113, the blown M113K is a pretty reliable engine. The V12 could be, I don't know.
1:01:05 Speaker 06 The six, well, the 65s are.
1:01:07 Doug DeMuro? 23 for that one? Can I have that one? Click on that.
1:01:09 Speaker 05 Yeah, you can.
1:01:10 Doug DeMuro? Can I buy this car? Or is it sold?
1:01:12 Speaker 05 I mean, it is a, it has sold. Six months, seven months ago, but.
1:01:16 Speaker 06 I know a couple of people who bought these cars, not new, but not far off. Drove them to 100,000 miles, bought another one, drove that to 100,000 miles.
1:01:24 Doug DeMuro? What's the mileage on this?
1:01:25 Speaker 06 This one's almost at 100,000 miles. I mean, granted, if there are certain parts of the engine that they do need service, the, the high price of something that can total the car is just worth more than the car is. But, but I mean, look at the, oh.
1:01:37 Speaker 05 It's, there's incredibly cool cars.
1:01:39 Speaker 06 738 foot pounds of torque.
1:01:40 Speaker 05 By the way, before we, we start saying bad things about the SLK, the 203 available with the stick? We actually have one live right now.
1:01:47 Doug DeMuro? That's true. Uh, okay. Finally, time for your questions, questions, questions, questions. Brought to you by the Cars and Bids Market Report.
1:01:54 Speaker 06 You. If you have a question.
1:01:56 Doug DeMuro? If you have a question, go to the carsandbids.com, the community tab. There will be a post there that says, ask your questions and we will answer the highest uploaded questions, no matter how stupid. Okay? You can ask the dumbest question in the world and we'll answer it. And the first question, speaking of, comes from Kenan's girlfriend. Oh. Is the name of the user.
1:02:16 Speaker 06 Emily?
1:02:17 Doug DeMuro? We haven't heard a lot from Emily lately. How's she doing?
1:02:18 Speaker 06 She's great.
1:02:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:02:20 Speaker 06 Dad was very excited about January 6th recently.
1:02:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh, the, uh, the anniversary.
1:02:24 Speaker 06 Uh huh.
1:02:25 Doug DeMuro? I bet he's really excited about January 20.
1:02:26 Speaker 06 Yeah, anyway, that's all right. What's, what's Emily?
1:02:29 Doug DeMuro? Okay. Uh, Kenan's girlfriend says, do you think we choose cars we buy based off other people's opinions too much? Some cars can be truly fun to drive, but we don't buy because of bad associations. Like the guy saying, I love that F650 video you did. I would love to have one, but everyone will still mind me terrible. That's true. And, and yeah, there's definitely cars I've bailed on because I don't want to be associated with the type of person who owns them.
1:02:50 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's a, it's a pressure. I mean, I can think of a number right off the bat, the, like the previous generation C63 with the V8. The, yeah, the C63. I mean, that car, I, I love that car, but it has a reputation by being driven by people who aren't particularly kind.
1:03:04 Doug DeMuro? The V8 C63s, the, the nice ones that remain stock, of which there are 11, were driven by serious people. The remainder all got on like black wheels with mismatched thin Chinese tires with like neon and tinted taillights. And it's like a scary situation.
1:03:21 Speaker 06 Yeah, and which is a shame because I've driven that, driven all that car stock when I came out. Wonderful car to drive. It's just the image that goes along with that. I, I, I agree actually here is like, it's exactly that. Also, the same thing I said about like Mustang GT350. Love that car to death. Think it's so cool.
1:03:35 Doug DeMuro? You think the GT350 has a bad?
1:03:37 Speaker 06 I have no.
1:03:37 Doug DeMuro? I think.
1:03:38 Speaker 06 In San Diego, yeah. You're just a military guy who just recently got paid a bunch of money, went and financed everything that you possibly could to PennFed and you bought that car. And then you do roll out, burn out and then you have to.
1:03:47 Doug DeMuro? A GT350 has no reputation in my mind. Yeah, I think the 350 is more, a little bit more connoisseur-y, whereas the regular Mustang is more up your alley. Challenger, Scat Pack, yeah.
1:03:55 Speaker 06 Well, not up my alley, to be clear, more in that vein.
1:03:57 Doug DeMuro? What you're saying.
1:03:58 Speaker 06 In that vein.
1:03:58 Doug DeMuro? The Challenger, Charger, kind of the same deal. Like, that's what I would assume.
1:04:01 Speaker 06 Yeah. And actually, there's also pressure. I would say N A Miata gets a lot, like a lot of people thought it was too feminine, too like girly or whatever.
1:04:08 Doug DeMuro? And now it's a bunch of, that's a bunch of like vape stoner kids.
1:04:10 Speaker 06 Yeah, exactly. All, all supers. But there, no, there's definitely external pressure there. There's definitely.
1:04:17 Doug DeMuro? I don't let other people.
1:04:18 Speaker 06 I don't, I don't know if it's. Proved me from buying a car that I like, um, really, but yeah.
1:04:24 Doug DeMuro? Filippo is immune, apparently. Doesn't bother him.
1:04:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:04:29 Speaker 06 I mean.
1:04:30 Speaker 05 He only ever buys.
1:04:31 Speaker 06 Well, he it's because he only ever buys boring cars that don't offend anybody.
1:04:34 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Next question, uh, from Tom Tinker. Question for Doug. It's clear that you listen to more music than anyone else on the planet. That being said, what cars have the best sound systems? And do you ever add slash replace speakers or subs to use cars? You know, I get asked a lot, why don't I review sound systems in the cars where I do the reviews? It's because of the royalties. All the greedy musicians want to be paid.
1:04:55 Speaker 05 I've never met anybody that cares less about how their audio sounds than you.
1:04:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, don't care.
1:05:00 Speaker 06 He just has to be listening to something.
1:05:01 Doug DeMuro? I love music, but I like, I just did a huge renovation of my house and we didn't put in any smart speakers or anything. I use that portable Bluetooth speaker.
1:05:09 Speaker 05 Like, I have better speakers than you do. And I, and I, I'm me.
1:05:14 Doug DeMuro? I just, I just, I love music. Uh, the exactitude of the sound, I don't think is, it's like when new tires. I got new tires to the Carr GT. They're the same. I mean, they're exactly the same. If Kenan was driving the car, I'd be like, wow, you're the precise feeling, the biddy, biddy, biddy, biddy, biddy, biddy. I don't distinguish.
1:05:30 Speaker 05 What you want to hear from, from America's favorite car reviewer?
1:05:34 Doug DeMuro? I don't distinguish. I'm not wrong. And honestly, if people were honest with themselves, they would say the same thing. You get all these people being like, the car, I got it back from the tire place. It's so much better. And it's like, no.
1:05:45 Speaker 06 When tires are worn out, you put new tires on them.
1:05:46 Doug DeMuro? When tires are bad or old especially, or worn out.
1:05:50 Speaker 05 Or if you go from like KO2s to all seasons.
1:05:52 Speaker 06 Which, let's be, that's mostly what people.
1:05:54 Doug DeMuro? But I went from, I went from pilot sports to pilot sport cups, new to new, essentially.
1:06:00 Speaker 06 Well, I'll tell you, the only people who notice you changing it are the people behind you because you throw away more rocks.
1:06:04 Doug DeMuro? Heck, yeah. That's my goal.
1:06:06 Speaker 06 It's a shame because being behind the Carr GT is where you want to be. Listen to that sound.
1:06:09 Doug DeMuro? Next question from Cars Lover 365. Guys, what's your apocalyptic car choice?
1:06:16 Speaker 05 Oh, interesting.
1:06:17 Doug DeMuro? 5th gen 4 runner.
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1:07:19 Speaker 05 No, I was gonna say a Raptor.
1:07:22 Doug DeMuro? Cayenne?
1:07:23 Speaker 06 No, I said kinda.
1:07:26 Speaker 05 I was gonna say a Raptor.
1:07:28 Speaker 06 Cayenne would be great.
1:07:29 Speaker 05 Fifth gen Forerunner.
1:07:31 Doug DeMuro? The official Cars and Bids answer to this question is a fifth gen Forerunner.
1:07:33 Speaker 05 First gen Raptor.
1:07:36 Speaker 06 70 Series Land Cruiser.
1:07:37 Doug DeMuro? Oh, that old thing you get.
1:07:38 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:07:39 Doug DeMuro? What if the apocalypse includes a side impact?
1:07:43 Speaker 06 Nobody, nobody around. I can go very far away and not have to worry, and I can get back.
1:07:48 Speaker 05 Can I, can I posit something? The fifth gen Forerunner is the 70 Series.
1:07:53 Speaker 06 The difference is the 70 Series Land Cruiser, you can fix it with literally a mallet.
1:07:57 Doug DeMuro? Dude, the fifth gen Forerunner, like, it's got halogen lights and, and, and you start it with a key and to
1:08:03 Speaker 06 Well, exactly. I start mine with a spoon. It's even easier.
1:08:05 Doug DeMuro? To make it stop, you, you, you reach your leg down into the car and drag it on the ground.
1:08:10 Speaker 06 The 70 Series is one of the least complicated cars there is.
1:08:13 Doug DeMuro? Okay, but the, the, everybody who complains about how the 70 Series is never sold in the US should just get a fifth gen Forerunner. That's the 70 Series. It's not quite as simple, but it's close. It's a lot safer.
1:08:22 Speaker 06 I don't know. I almost got, we, we almost got stranded in the 70 Series in Africa when I was there and like, it was
1:08:29 Speaker 05 So easy to fix and simple to fix. It was great.
1:08:31 Doug DeMuro? I'm just gonna say this. Filippo and I, one time in Laos, almost got stranded. We had a fifth gen four runner.
1:08:37 Speaker 05 We were good.
1:08:38 Doug DeMuro? We were in the rice fields.
1:08:39 Speaker 05 We didn't even get stranded. We had a fifth gen four runner.
1:08:41 Speaker 06 I was in Botswana.
1:08:42 Doug DeMuro? Well, we almost got stranded to the extent that we were in Laos, up to our necks in water. We didn't almost get stranded.
1:08:48 Speaker 06 I have, I've gone through water up to my neck in a, yeah.
1:08:51 Doug DeMuro? Listen, when we, when we, when we are driving around in Windowec, and we go out into the desert, we take our fifth gen four runner.
1:09:01 Speaker 05 I take my first gen raptor.
1:09:01 Speaker 06 I'm sticking with the 70.
1:09:02 Doug DeMuro? I can't believe first gen Raptor.
1:09:04 Speaker 05 You all have a bit more capability.
1:09:07 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, Quest, this is a great question. We're gonna do two more. This is a great question. The finest question I've been asked today by anybody.
1:09:13 Speaker 05 Wow.
1:09:13 Doug DeMuro? From Hamid, you idiot, what Motor Trend Car of the Year winners throughout history are the most and least deserving? I'm gonna pull up a list because Motor Trend Car of the Year, and by the way, I love and respect Motor Trend as a publication. I truly do. They generally have a tendency to award Car of the Year to some of the worst cars you could imagine. I'll give you some examples. In 2001, the esteemed Chrysler PT Cruiser.
1:09:37 Speaker 05 That one I support. That's sold a big deal.
1:09:38 Doug DeMuro? In 2002, the esteemed Ford Thunderbird, which I believe they sold 47 of and lasted for one generation. The 2007 Toyota Camry, a notable, notable redesign for the car.
1:09:51 Speaker 05 It, it, it had that blue HVAC dial background.
1:09:54 Doug DeMuro? The 1997 Chevy Malibu.
1:09:56 Speaker 05 It was, yeah, that was bad.
1:09:57 Doug DeMuro? That was exaggeratedly bad. The 2012 Volkswagen Passat, notably terrible car.
1:10:04 Speaker 05 New midsize sedan.
1:10:06 Doug DeMuro? The 2017 Chevy Bolt EV. There was hype around that car for an afternoon. This is a, almost reads like a list, 2000, the Lincoln LS. It almost reads like a list of the biggest automotive failures in the last 25 years.
1:10:21 Speaker 05 Can I say two things? First of all, 2023 was the G90 Genesis.
1:10:25 Doug DeMuro? Well, okay, so what happened in recent years, to be perfectly fair to Motor Trend, is that they've, new cars have stopped coming out. And so they've, they've basically just awarded it to any new car.
1:10:34 Speaker 05 But they, they have awarded the 2025 one already.
1:10:37 Doug DeMuro? It went to the E-Class.
1:10:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, 2025. It's January.
1:10:41 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah.
1:10:41 Speaker 05 There are still 2025 model year cars coming out.
1:10:43 Doug DeMuro? We're looking ahead. We're looking ahead.
1:10:45 Speaker 05 The Malibu is, oh no, the 1995.
1:10:49 Doug DeMuro? I want to be clear also about one thing with Motor Trend Car of the Year.
1:10:52 Speaker 05 The Chrysler Series.
1:10:53 Doug DeMuro? I want to be clear, yeah, the cloud cars won.
1:10:55 Speaker 05 1995.
1:10:56 Doug DeMuro? I want to be clear also with one important thing about Motor Trend Car of the Year. Until 2000, they split American Car of the Year and Import Car of the Year. And they did that because they knew that if they, if they let them all compete, American cars would never win. So Car of the Year was an, was an American car.
1:11:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:14 Doug DeMuro? And then there was Import Car of the Year, which was different. Now, they combined them for 2001, and the winner of that esteemed year was the PT Cruiser, followed by the Thunderbird. It wasn't until 03 that Import won. I will never forget when they awarded it to the 03 Infiniti G35, which was correct.
1:11:30 Speaker 05 Yep.
1:11:30 Doug DeMuro? Perhaps their only correct award.
1:11:33 Speaker 06 Well, 1995, I just thought the F50 was better than that.
1:11:37 Doug DeMuro? No, they have, they have a price cut. They won't award it to cars like that.
1:11:41 Speaker 05 Which, by the way, is a lot of cars now.
1:11:43 Doug DeMuro? The Import Car of the Year, by the way, was, wasn't exactly better. Some of their choices.
1:11:48 Speaker 06 You know what that's almost like? It's almost like a, like a Cash for Clunkers list is kind of what that feels like, to be honest with you.
1:11:54 Doug DeMuro? Some of the, oh, man. First off, in, in Import Car of the Year, they didn't award it for many years throughout the 70s. They just didn't feel it was necessary. The new Beetle won in 99. That was an esteemed automobile.
1:12:04 Speaker 05 I agree with that.
1:12:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:12:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, I stand by all these. That, that seems reasonable.
1:12:10 Doug DeMuro? The imports are better, but they're almost all sports cars. Giulia won in 18, by the way. There's another.
1:12:13 Speaker 05 For some reason, what I find interesting is sometimes they want to change their minds. For example, in 1985, the GTI was the Car of the Year because it was built at Volkswagen.
1:12:21 Doug DeMuro? In the US.
1:12:22 Speaker 05 But, but in 94, the Accord was the Import Car of the Year, but it was built in Ohio.
1:12:28 Doug DeMuro? Ohio, right. Yeah, no, that, look, there were, there are some interesting cars on this list. Almost all of them are bad. The 2010 Ford Fusion, wasn't that just a facelift?
1:12:36 Speaker 05 No, no, it was.
1:12:39 Doug DeMuro? Wasn't that just the facelifted first gen Fusion? But they've rewarded to the E-Class twice in the last five years.
1:12:45 Speaker 05 It was, it was, it was the face.
1:12:46 Doug DeMuro? It was the face, which by the way was a good face.
1:12:48 Speaker 05 It was a good. Looked like a razor in the front.
1:12:49 Doug DeMuro? They put Gallardo wheels on it. Remember that? Pull up the 2010 Fusion. Let's look at the Gallardo wheels.
1:12:54 Speaker 05 Also, look at the front end.
1:12:55 Doug DeMuro? The answer to the question asked by Hammond U8 is, there was never a most deserving. There have been many least deserving. I will say, I am proud that in 13, they gave it to the Model S, which was the right choice.
1:13:04 Speaker 05 That's a good looking car.
1:13:05 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the Gallardo wheels.
1:13:06 Speaker 05 It is a great looking car.
1:13:07 Doug DeMuro? That's the Gallardo wheels right there. That's that gray one.
1:13:09 Speaker 05 That one, yeah.
1:13:10 Doug DeMuro? Look at that. Look at those Gallardo wheels.
1:13:11 Speaker 05 They are Gallardo wheels. I don't even, we all agree. I don't know.
1:13:14 Doug DeMuro? There it is.
1:13:15 Speaker 05 Part of the Gallardo wheels, but. That's it.
1:13:17 Doug DeMuro? Yep. Uh, okay.
1:13:19 Speaker 05 The 300M in 1998 was obviously the winner.
1:13:22 Doug DeMuro? I mean, just bad award after bad award. Final question from Snab, S-N-A-A-B, Snab. People always jokingly comment on your videos that when you review something, it increases in value. Has this ever actually happened?
1:13:35 Speaker 05 No. Trust me, the exception says.
1:13:38 Doug DeMuro? No, people are just like, oh, Doug reviewed it, so now it's lost. I don't have that told. Nobody really does.
1:13:43 Speaker 05 I think the Maserati MC12.
1:13:44 Doug DeMuro? You reviewed it.
1:13:46 Speaker 05 Up.
1:13:47 Doug DeMuro? MC12. No, there are a few exceptions. I do think I increased vector W8 prices a little bit. I'm dead serious about that. G-Wagon Cabrio, I think, had a huge increase after I bought one. I think I just raised awareness about it. I don't think people knew about it before. But otherwise, no. People already know about all these cars. I go up and say, oh, such and such is a great value. I mean, it doesn't change anything.
1:14:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:14:06 Doug DeMuro? Check the prices. They don't change. It's like, oh, there's more people aware. Not really. Well, who's 600,000 people watch my video? Half of them are out of the US. You don't have to worry about this. You're good.
1:14:16 Speaker 05 I think there are probably new cars where you reviewed it and it increased demand.
1:14:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. No, I, that's, there's no doubt that new cars, some of my videos for new cars have sold cars.
1:14:25 Speaker 05 Not because you're like trying to sell cars, because you, people want to know information.
1:14:29 Doug DeMuro? They want to know information.
1:14:29 Speaker 05 You give them information like, oh, yeah, this fits my need and.
1:14:31 Doug DeMuro? Absolutely. People come to me all the time in the street and say, I bought this car because of you. It happens almost every day.
1:14:35 Speaker 05 Probably killed some.
1:14:35 Speaker 06 Do you think the opposite is true?
1:14:36 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:14:37 Speaker 06 So some cars you reviewed and their interest went down?
1:14:40 Doug DeMuro? You think I had an effect, negative effect on the Maserati Ghibli, the?
1:14:44 Speaker 06 This is the first car I thought of, but no, it was just a bad car.
1:14:46 Doug DeMuro? It was a bad car. It would have happened regardless. It was trash. Uh, okay. That's our pod. Flipper, you got anything?
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1:14:55 Doug DeMuro? Wow, we're still pushing the app. Yeah, why not? Oh, yeah, go ahead. The app's got all sorts of appy things. Anyway, goodbye, everyone. Lovely podcast, one of our best ever.
1:15:03 Speaker 06 Goodbye.
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