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0:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to this car pod.
0:07 Speaker 01 I'm Kenan.
0:08 Speaker 02 I'm Filippo.
0:08 Doug DeMuro? There's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news.
0:12 Speaker 01 Ah, yes. My news story. Something exciting to begin with. So Lewis Hamilton is now driving for Ferrari. Now, we knew he was driving for Ferrari, but this weekend in particular, he officially started and he drove the Formula One car for the very first time. But he took an amazing set of photos at the factory, not with the newest Ferrari, not with the most cutting edge, with the great one, the F40.
0:31 Doug DeMuro? There's a lot of stuff I want to say about this picture. And I want to start with the fact that done even a little differently, it could have been like a subject of mockery. But instead you look at this and you're like, damn, this guy is going to come and beat everybody. This guy is, this guy is going to show up and just run the table.
0:50 Speaker 01 Yes. Well, that's the hope. Um, I've been a Ferrari fan for my entire life. I've been watching Formula One for 17 years or 18 years. And in that time Ferrari has not won a world championship. Been 17 years of failure and we got so close and they'd screwed up. But Lewis Hamilton, the, the most successful driver in history is now driving for the team. So like a lot of Ferrari fans have a lot of hope. Now, I personally know Ferrari and like, I'm not so sure.
1:14 Doug DeMuro? But Lewis, but you understand what this picture is saying.
1:17 Speaker 01 I know what this is saying. I'm here.
1:19 Doug DeMuro? By the way, don't you agree that if you just described this picture, you'd be like, that sounds really dumb. But then you look at it and you're like, oh my God, don't kill my family, Lewis. Please spare my children.
1:29 Speaker 02 Here's a dude sitting in a jacket in front of an F40 in front of a house.
1:32 Doug DeMuro? Like there was no attempt to do.
1:34 Speaker 01 The impact. You, this is.
1:36 Speaker 02 The impact is there.
1:36 Doug DeMuro? There was no attempt to do the picture in the dry or in the sun. And that's kind of fits with the image. It's like there, I've come to bring the thunder clouds. I also just absolutely loved the fact that he chose the F40, which was obviously his choice. Ferrari would have given anything to have their new star in front of the SF90, which they're desperately trying to sell. And instead he's like, nah, I'm going to do a good one. I'm not, I'm going to actually do a good one. Thanks so much though.
2:02 Speaker 01 Remember when you built great cars? This, I'm going to go the best of them. But nonetheless, it is very exciting. I am not as optimistic because Ferrari. Biggest problem has been their strategy. They get in their own way and like that's what has created their problems. The cars have been good. The drivers have been excellent. It's them. And so I'm, I do wonder what they showed Lewis Hamilton to get him to leave Mercedes. I mean, Lewis has nothing to prove in his career. Euros. Euros. Yeah, but he already made so much money. It's not money. Yeah, but he made a lot. The prestige of driving for the brand is one thing, which in all Formula One drivers' minds is something you want to drive for Ferrari. They play for the Yankees. But it's like, it is, yes, it is a, yes, that is true. For all of our viewers that aren't, you know, F1 fans.
2:41 Doug DeMuro? Can I ask you a question about Lewis?
2:42 Speaker 01 Sure.
2:43 Doug DeMuro? I don't know anything about Formula One, but I've done cursory research on the topic. Lewis may be the most successful driver in history. I personally can't verify it because I don't know.
2:51 Speaker 01 Seven, seven world championships.
2:52 Doug DeMuro? However, he's 40 years old.
2:54 Speaker 01 Wow.
2:54 Doug DeMuro? And hasn't won a championship in five years. So 20 was his last year. So I don't know how they count years, but that's five or four or some, some, some amount of years. So he's 40. In my world, in the sports world, the world where we like the Yankees, Derek Jeter.
3:10 Speaker 01 Okay. He's a Red Sox fan.
3:12 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
3:14 Doug DeMuro? 40 is kind of starting to get.
3:16 Speaker 01 Fernando Alonso is older, I believe, and still races in this sport. Like Lewis.
3:20 Doug DeMuro? You get the point I'm making.
3:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, but here's the thing about Lewis. It's like LeBron James. LeBron James is also 40 and he's still a critical producer like on the Lakers.
3:29 Doug DeMuro? When Jordan was at his prime, he was like 26 and he was making baskets over everybody's head.
3:34 Speaker 01 I don't know if it's that technology has changed or these athletes take a lot better care of themselves, but I mean. They do. It's, it's very different now, but nonetheless, Lewis is, I, I am very curious to see how he performs in the car. The other thing is that Lewis is not someone who adapts to the, the cars very well. They adapt the cars to him, which Ferrari will do. But like when George Russell joined Mercedes.
3:54 Doug DeMuro? Are you not a little bit anxious at the fact that like maybe they've gone after this guy who is this major legend and he's maybe a little on the other side of the hill?
4:02 Speaker 01 My, that's exactly what happened with Sebastian Vettel when he drove for Ferrari was that he won four world championships, went to Ferrari and still did well, but he didn't win a championship.
4:11 Doug DeMuro? What happened to Vettel, by the way?
4:12 Speaker 01 He retired.
4:12 Doug DeMuro? But he's got to be younger than Lewis.
4:15 Speaker 01 He is. I'm pretty sure he is.
4:17 Doug DeMuro? So Lewis is out here, by the way.
4:18 Speaker 01 But Sebastian won four. Lewis won seven.
4:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but when I was a kid. When I was a young adult, Sebastian won like every race. Boom, Sebastian.
4:26 Speaker 01 For four seasons, yes.
4:28 Doug DeMuro? Those were four informative seasons for Doug. Lewis Hamilton, by the way, apparently he's a pretty good race car driver and in this thing, he looks like a mafia Don.
4:35 Speaker 01 Pretty good.
4:36 Doug DeMuro? Honestly, is I think what they were going for.
4:38 Speaker 02 And it worked.
4:38 Doug DeMuro? And there's some Italy stuff going on. However, his biggest claim to fame, I think we all agree, is that his dad crashed a Carrera GT into a playground.
4:47 Speaker 01 His dad did do that.
4:50 Speaker 01 So he did do that.
4:51 Speaker 02 Well, it also in the news this week, he has added his mother's maiden name to his name.
4:55 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so the Carrera GT crash, you were aware of the crash?
4:58 Speaker 01 I remember it well.
4:59 Doug DeMuro? There was a playground, there was a Carrera GT, there was Lewis Hamilton's dad.
5:03 Speaker 01 Let's not focus on his dad's driving career, let's focus on.
5:07 Speaker 01 None, this is very big news. The Italian government actually sent a lot of police to hold back crowds too and stuff just because there's so much excitement around this. Because you, although you weren't a high-performance car, you can recognize that in Italy, there are like three religions, basically, and Ferrari is the second largest behind the Catholic Church.
5:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
5:23 Speaker 01 Like, so it's a huge, it's a huge deal and I am very excited. My dad is a huge Lewis fan and we, for the first time ever, will root for the same team, which will be really cool.
5:32 Doug DeMuro? Because he's been rooting for Mercedes-Benz and/or Red Bull and/or.
5:35 Speaker 01 No, Lewis has driven for two teams ever, McLaren Mercedes.
5:37 Doug DeMuro? We don't know those. Honestly, I thought they were the same because they made the SLR. Remember the one with no roof?
5:41 Speaker 01 There was a time, there was a time, but yes, and they're separate teams and that's who.
5:45 Doug DeMuro? There was one with no roof and I'm not talking about the Roadster. All right.
5:47 Speaker 01 Let's go Lewis.
5:48 Doug DeMuro? This is very big. We're all very excited. The Formula One season ended about two days ago. It starts again about two days from now, so we will.
5:54 Speaker 01 That is how it feels.
5:55 Doug DeMuro? We will find out soon whether this picture, he's really the mafia Don that he seems to be, or if he's just a guy who's maybe a little too old.
6:02 Speaker 01 Prediction now, I think that this year won't be the year that matters. It'll be next year when the formula changes because there's a huge update that comes and I think that's the technology Ferrari showed him to get him excited.
6:10 Doug DeMuro? Formula Two. Right now they got Formula One. They got change of formula, Formula Two.
6:15 Speaker 01 That exists? Formula Two is a thing of its own?
6:18 Speaker 02 Do you think we can get him to race in a F40 in a race?
6:20 Doug DeMuro? Oh, man.
6:21 Speaker 02 Imagine, imagine if you have all the other Formula One cars and then an F40.
6:23 Doug DeMuro? You know, on the subject, since we're talking about this, I can't believe we didn't put this in as a news story. Should we talk about the F40 situation this week?
6:28 Speaker 02 There may have been some crash.
6:30 Speaker 01 There were, there were some crashes that also involved Formula One drivers.
6:33 Doug DeMuro? Formula, Ferrari F40, one of the great supercars of our generation. And by our generation, I mean the previous, to be honest.
6:41 Doug DeMuro? How many did they make?
6:41 Speaker 01 1,311.
6:43 Doug DeMuro? We don't like any of the supercars in our generation, so we're gonna go back to the previous. Anyway, so, uh, one of them crashed in the UK. It was on a wet road, a cold day, and so the driver floored it. It's being said that it was a mechanic driving. Whenever one of these things happens, it was always someone else driving, which I find interesting. Either that's because someone else doesn't know how to drive. You know, the last crash of an F40 was in a tunnel in Germany, do you remember this? And it was someone driving a car from like Mecatronix or something.
7:06 Speaker 01 Yup.
7:07 Doug DeMuro? And that was one of their employees.
7:09 Speaker 01 The Gas Monkey Garage F40, same thing, the mechanic was driving the car.
7:11 Doug DeMuro? And so then the Lando Norris one, so that happened, the car in the UK flips over, and supposedly it's the highest mileage F40 in the world, who knows? And then, in Monaco, footage has just appeared of Lando Norris, who's apparently another Formula One driver.
7:24 Speaker 01 From McLaren.
7:25 Doug DeMuro? We don't know. He's got an F40, and someone crashed it, but apparently not him, again, but who knows? Uh, spun it into a barrier.
7:32 Speaker 01 You should be a bigger fan of him. He also, uh, he has some very serious cars, Amira, Carrera GT.
7:36 Doug DeMuro? He's my favorite F1 driver.
7:38 Speaker 01 He's got some good stuff.
7:38 Doug DeMuro? And only because of the road cars that he has, and I know nothing about them. I've never seen him drive.
7:43 Speaker 01 He's a very good driver.
7:44 Doug DeMuro? So, but anyway, F40s keep crashing. Um, what's, what are we gonna do about this? Kenan? Over to you.
7:52 Speaker 01 Well, don't floor it when the road is wet. Good start, you know.
7:56 Doug DeMuro? That was wild. So, when I take my Carrera GT out, which has traction control, but not stability control, even then, I am incredibly careful when it's wet and cold. I drove it on Christmas Eve this year, and it was, it had like missed it, and it was chilly, and I was very cautious. And watching, I would never floor it.
8:13 Speaker 01 Never in a million years.
8:13 Doug DeMuro? And watching that video, in the F40 where the dude floors it on a wet road, I'm sitting there like, were you trying to? I would never, it's impossible for me to explain.
8:23 Speaker 01 The only time you can floor an F40 is when you're in 5th gear at low RPM and the turbos aren't working. And even then.
8:28 Doug DeMuro? I think you can floor one when, when the tires are warmed up. My suspicion in the Lando crash, just watching it, is that the tires were cold. The car wasn't quite going straight, but you can see that he steps on it, and I, my suspicion is that road is not that far to Monaco, the car didn't have enough time to warm up. Now, the Lando car was not heavily damaged. I've actually seen pictures of it over the last month or so, driving around damaged. So I think the accident happened like a while ago, but my assumption is that in both cases, it was cold tires. The car has no aids. It might be an old car, but it's still 480 horsepower, rear wheel drive car with no driver aids.
9:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, I, I think the other thing to take in. So, I mean, you learned your lesson earlier, like the Ford GT is kind of a handful.
9:08 Doug DeMuro? I almost wrecked the Ford GT once, probably six months into owning it on an on-ramp, cold tires, dead straight. I floored it and the car got, the car got squirrely and I barely, barely saved it. This was in Orange County.
9:20 Speaker 01 I think there are a couple of things to take into account. One is like, you still have to show these cars a lot of respect. Like when it says there are no driver aids, people are like, oh, it's so cool. It's like, no, that means there's nothing to help you. So you are at your own risk. Swim, you know, safely. The other thing I think is that it also showed, and you sent some other videos to our friend group though, it shows how quickly.
9:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. That 812 video in London, I think is like the world changing video because if you watch that, you can tell instantly just how fast. And that's a cold tire video, no question.
9:48 Speaker 01 So there's a video of a guy in an 812, super fast. You might be familiar with this car. He's going straight on, on road in London, looked like a cold London morning as they all are. And he gets on the throttle, straight line, steering wheel straight, and the car just snaps.
10:00 Doug DeMuro? And he's going maybe 40?
10:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. Stability control, surely.
10:04 Doug DeMuro? I probably was off, something he probably was off, is my guess.
10:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, maybe.
10:08 Doug DeMuro? However, the point is, it can happen really fast. You got to, with performance cars like that, you got to roll under the throttle, you got to wait until the tires are worn, and you just have to be damn careful. And if you have any situation where you're able to like, find an empty parking lot that's privately owned and do some, figure out some limits, that day we did at, at Thermal was tremendous, or wherever it was, at Chuck Walla, was tremendously instructive for me. I learned limits and non-limit. The car actually, the limits were actually further than I thought. I'm cautious, because the cars are so valuable. But you can't, this stuff.
10:40 Speaker 01 Well, the other thing to keep in mind, Lando Norris is a young Formula One driver, and he lost it.
10:44 Doug DeMuro? Well, maybe. Supposedly he wasn't driving.
10:46 Speaker 01 Allegedly. But even so, the car is also no power steering. It's hard to correct. It's a big steering wheel. It's hard. Like, there, there's a lot with an F40 you have to take into consideration. The brakes aren't that great also. So like.
10:55 Doug DeMuro? Brakes are bad.
10:55 Speaker 01 So you just have to show these, especially the old cars, you really have to show them respect. So please drive your F40s carefully.
11:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's interesting.
11:03 Speaker 01 We can't lose, we can't lose F40s.
11:05 Doug DeMuro? I'm not, not looking for an F40.
11:07 Speaker 01 Man, look at that picture.
11:08 Doug DeMuro? If someone out there has a cheap F40, you call me. I'm talking, I'm talking about the wrecked one, maybe. Call me up. My number is 608. No, I'm kidding. That's Felipe. All right, uh, look, give us our next news story. Canoe.
11:21 Speaker 02 Canoe.
11:21 Doug DeMuro? Canoe is a manufacturer of electric van vehicles, van type situations. You can see right here, here's a canoe. It looks like a Previa, but it doesn't look like one anymore because...
11:29 Speaker 02 Canoe has filed for bankruptcy.
11:31 Doug DeMuro? Chapter 7. Canoe's done. They don't have any funding. It's over.
11:34 Speaker 02 They've been done for like a couple of years.
11:36 Doug DeMuro? We had hope.
11:38 Speaker 02 We didn't have hope. No. We, we had dreams. We, we wanted to believe, but it didn't stretch to the point of hope.
11:45 Speaker 01 Do you think it's perhaps their vehicle looks like something they keep a hamster in?
11:48 Speaker 02 It's incredible. And they were, they went, they also did a ton of work on like autonomous driving. The thought for a while was that you could kind of drive it at the direction, I think, with something they claimed at some point. Cause you didn't have a steering wheel in autonomous driving.
11:59 Doug DeMuro? I think this thing is the coolest thing in the world. It's a shame it didn't work out. Why do all the cool EVs fail and then we're stuck with the, the Volvo EX40?
12:08 Speaker 02 Well, the EX40 doesn't exist yet. It only exists in 2025. They renamed the EX40 research.
12:12 Doug DeMuro? Oh, Lord. You get my point. Like, like, like there's all these cool EV idea situations. Like you and me have been waiting for our Faraday future. We've had a deposit in for quite some time.
12:23 Speaker 02 There was one at PCM, yeah.
12:24 Doug DeMuro? And instead, instead, what we get is the base model Hyundai Ioniq 5.
12:29 Speaker 02 I think that there's two big reasons. One is that the people that are creating these, I think, have a specific vision and are want to execute on that vision, and that's costly. Instead of just saying, hey, what components can I get? Let me build an electric car. As a lot of other experts have done.
12:42 Doug DeMuro? So how come Rivian succeeded?
12:44 Speaker 02 The second piece is...
12:45 Doug DeMuro? This is as cool as Rivian's.
12:47 Speaker 02 Cooler. The second piece is that I think, um, sometimes when you want to do something that avant garde, the market isn't quite there. The investors might not be there yet either.
12:55 Doug DeMuro? You're saying the markets aren't there for a...
12:57 Speaker 02 They're too aggressive.
12:58 Doug DeMuro? For a half windowed, egg shaped bus that's...
13:02 Speaker 02 Which I love dearly, but yeah.
13:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
13:04 Speaker 02 There's a little bit too much new there, I think.
13:06 Doug DeMuro? You know, I saw my first electric Volkswagen bus on the road the other day. I don't remember what it's called.
13:10 Speaker 02 That Buzz. ID Buzz.
13:11 Doug DeMuro? ID Buzz. Yeah.
13:13 Speaker 01 Did a video on it.
13:14 Doug DeMuro? Well, I mean, call it what we want. We're going to call it the electric bus. You know what? Going forward, Akira, we got two things in the pod. Akira is Akira.
13:22 Speaker 02 Yep.
13:22 Doug DeMuro? And the Volkswagen electric bus is the Volkswagen electric bus.
13:25 Speaker 02 We got three. Let's make some shirts.
13:26 Speaker 01 All automatics are tips.
13:27 Doug DeMuro? All automatics are tips, except we're going to, we're going to call some DCTs.
13:31 Speaker 02 Just to really screw with people. With no cord.
13:33 Doug DeMuro? Uh, anyway, no, it's a BMW thing.
13:35 Speaker 02 I know.
13:37 Doug DeMuro? Okay. Anyway, the point is, I saw one of those ID bus electrics.
13:44 Speaker 02 Took them five years longer than they said.
13:45 Doug DeMuro? How cool. That is the coolest thing in the world. That car at 54 grand is the coolest thing in the world.
13:51 Speaker 01 You didn't, because you'd never got to see it from the outside when you were driving around in it. You were behind me once on the way to work and it looks so cool.
13:58 Doug DeMuro? It is so cool. I've seen a couple on the road. Now, they're also pretty common in Europe, although in Europe, they sell a cargo version with like stealies. And those are like what people are getting. And so it has this like psychedelic color scheme, but it's a cargo van with stealies. It doesn't really work perfectly, but anyway, I love it when and I want one. And so they're 90 million dollars, but I think they'll be 50 grand in about a year. And that's when we buy.
14:22 Speaker 02 That's when you buy, yeah.
14:23 Speaker 01 It's so Southern California. It's perfect for here.
14:25 Speaker 02 California. It's all one across 1500 miles.
14:28 Doug DeMuro? So the answer is we can't have a canoe, but we can have an ID bus.
14:32 Speaker 02 ID buzz.
14:33 Speaker 01 Not all is bad.
14:34 Speaker 02 Volkswagen.
14:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Electric Volkswagen. I wouldn't.
14:37 Speaker 01 Volkswagen.
14:38 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. It's too complicated.
14:39 Speaker 02 It's hard to be a startup brand. It's hard to sell a product that is maybe out of the mainstream. It's hard to finance that. And canoe is very sadly failed.
14:48 Speaker 01 Canoe.
14:49 Speaker 02 Then again, sort of, they didn't do any of that.
14:51 Doug DeMuro? Canoe cannot. Okay, next news story. That was all we needed. Okay, the Detroit Auto Show is going on right now, as you can see from the crowded show floor.
14:59 Speaker 01 It is.
15:00 Doug DeMuro? Were either of you aware of the Detroit Auto Show was happening?
15:03 Speaker 01 Genuinely, no. I had no idea.
15:05 Speaker 02 I knew, but only for one reason. I read an interview with the new Dodge Ram.
15:10 Doug DeMuro? Tim Kaneskis.
15:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, who's great. But the way I found out was I was reading that interview and said, we talked to him on the floor of the Detroit Auto Show. I was like, alright.
15:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, so the Detroit Auto Show is going on right now. You'd be forgiven for not remembering.
15:22 Speaker 02 Thank you.
15:22 Doug DeMuro? It used to be that when the Detroit Auto Show happened, all the major debuts, it was like, oh my god.
15:29 Speaker 02 Second of the year?
15:29 Doug DeMuro? The 2002 Chevy Trailblazer probably debuted at the Detroit Auto Show.
15:33 Speaker 01 We did a video on Cars and Bitch recently going around looking at like these old.
15:36 Doug DeMuro? Like.
15:37 Speaker 01 It was astonishing, the stuff.
15:38 Doug DeMuro? No, it was the first auto show of the year. It happened every year in January, because the theory was that it gave people something to do in the winter in Detroit. And then COVID hit and auto shows are done. And but this is not intended to entirely be a knock on the Detroit Auto Show specifically, which is technically called the.
15:53 Speaker 01 American International Auto Show.
15:55 Doug DeMuro? Well done. Have you ever been?
15:56 Speaker 01 Yes, yeah, been twice.
15:59 Doug DeMuro? But auto shows in general, which it's just over.
16:02 Speaker 02 Yep.
16:02 Doug DeMuro? They just are not, we talked about this with CES, but like just generally, I was astonished to remember, oh, the Detroit Auto Show was happening.
16:09 Speaker 02 Right. There was a time.
16:11 Doug DeMuro? This is it.
16:11 Speaker 02 10 years ago, 15 years ago, when I could tell you when.
16:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
16:15 Speaker 02 Chicago was coming up, when the LA Auto Show was coming up, when Geneva was coming up.
16:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Right. Yeah. New York was in April.
16:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:23 Doug DeMuro? LA was in November, you knew them all.
16:24 Speaker 02 You vaguely.
16:25 Doug DeMuro? The automakers specifically held debuts until they could show it at the auto show. They all fought for attention. And then there was like a winner of the day.
16:33 Speaker 02 Those were the days when you would go on whatever blog you preferred and you would get all the news of that.
16:37 Doug DeMuro? You know, if you go into the automotive media people's Facebook group, they all talk wistfully about those days of yours.
16:44 Speaker 02 Us too.
16:45 Doug DeMuro? I actually disagree. I think it's better now. It's better to have year-round debuts.
16:49 Speaker 02 Way better.
16:49 Doug DeMuro? It's better to see it online, which we're already doing.
16:51 Speaker 02 It's way better.
16:51 Doug DeMuro? Flying to the auto shows was always a silly proposition.
16:54 Speaker 02 Getting content out of those.
16:56 Doug DeMuro? Getting content in an auto show, especially in the world of video now, where everybody wants to do a video with a new car that's being shown and you only get six minutes and people are milling around. I'm over it. I'm done.
17:07 Speaker 02 What we're doing is better, but it was an event. It was like a notable moment.
17:10 Doug DeMuro? And to be clear, I think the auto shows will still be events that people attend. I think it's still a great way to sample like 20 different cars if you're in the market. It's just that they're going to be regional dealer things and they're not going to be tied to automotive debuts.
17:22 Speaker 02 I know.
17:22 Speaker 01 Honestly, it's how I experienced the Cleveland Auto Show. That's how all of them.
17:25 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid, that's how the Denver Auto Show was. That was just what it was.
17:28 Speaker 01 And that's fun.
17:30 Speaker 02 They're still cool. I love them, but.
17:32 Speaker 01 I like that. I do like that really cool stuff, like still debuts at like the Quail or Pebble Beach, like that for the performance stuff that I like. Like that's really cool, but.
17:40 Doug DeMuro? There are still some major events where they hold debuts for.
17:43 Speaker 01 But that's just because people happen to already be there.
17:45 Doug DeMuro? Well, but I think the targeted debuts like that will probably become more common, like at events such as the Quail.
17:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:51 Doug DeMuro? But the big auto show debuts are over and the fact that Detroit's happening right now is totally wild to me.
17:57 Speaker 02 I also think the manufacturers have figured out they can, if they do at an event like that or Villa d'Ette or on their own event, they can control the entire narrative and they can control what else is getting released then.
18:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
18:06 Speaker 02 If you released in O2, the new Grand Vitara and then the Trailblazer comes out.
18:10 Doug DeMuro? Yep. No one's talking about the Vitara. That's right.
18:12 Speaker 02 It's much smarter. Also, there wasn't a Grand Vitara that came out that year.
18:15 Doug DeMuro? It's much smarter to do it. 99 was the Grand Vitara. It's 98, 99. It's much smarter.
18:20 Speaker 02 XL7, did you prefer that?
18:21 Doug DeMuro? XL7? Yeah, oh, 3, I think. But, but yeah. Great car.
18:24 Speaker 02 Came out.
18:25 Doug DeMuro? Great car. Actually, one of the worst cars on sale at the time. Okay, give us our next news story. Oh, Lexus RC. Gone. Okay, next news story. No, this is kind of sad.
18:36 Speaker 01 Is it?
18:37 Doug DeMuro? Are coupes just done?
18:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:39 Doug DeMuro? Okay, alright, move on.
18:43 Speaker 02 Unless they have four doors in our SUVs, they are.
18:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's true. Speaking of coupes, here is a BMW manufactured in Germany, which has nothing to do, you think the four series they built in South Carolina?
18:53 Speaker 02 I actually have no clue with her.
18:55 Doug DeMuro? Which has nothing to do with our news story, but our news story is about the president. The president, we have a new president here in the United States of America. Same as a previous president. You brought him back. It's like when you get divorced and you remarry the person again. Larry King did that, I think. Alright, so.
19:13 Speaker 02 So believable. I don't know if that's true or not, but like, I do believe that.
19:17 Doug DeMuro? Tell us about the president.
19:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, so President Trump was inaugurated on Monday, the 20th.
19:23 Speaker 02 Still some confusion about whether he is the 45th or 47th president.
19:26 Doug DeMuro? I don't understand that myself. He keeps saying he's 47th, but isn't he the 45th again? Isn't it 45B?
19:31 Speaker 01 Didn't it happen with Cleveland?
19:32 Doug DeMuro? There was another president for whom this occurred.
19:34 Speaker 01 The precedent has already been set for the president.
19:36 Doug DeMuro? So what was he? What was he?
19:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, what was he, Kenan?
19:39 Speaker 01 I don't remember.
19:39 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. It's tough to figure out because Obama was there for two terms and he was just one president.
19:44 Speaker 01 Yes, this is, it's only the second time that.
19:47 Doug DeMuro? You get my point, though. So Obama was only one president, but Trump is two presidents? I don't get that. I don't get that.
19:53 Speaker 02 And then like the Bushes were two separate.
19:55 Doug DeMuro? They were different people.
19:57 Speaker 01 Those are separate people.
19:58 Doug DeMuro? It's like the Q5 and the Q7. They're different. George W. is the Q5 in this analogy.
20:05 Doug DeMuro? Please, please, take this back on Trump.
20:08 Speaker 02 Alright, he signed a bunch of executive orders on his first day in office. One of the things that we expected him to sign an executive order around that he hasn't yet is around tariffs. But on his first day, he did say that he was planning on doing pretty substantial tariffs on a bunch of countries, including Canada and Mexico. The reason it becomes interesting for us is, there's a lot of vehicles manufactured in Canada and Mexico. Historically, that there have been great trade relations, there's the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement.
20:39 Doug DeMuro? Well, there's a new.
20:40 Speaker 02 Maybe.
20:40 Doug DeMuro? It's been supplanted by something that's basically the same now.
20:44 Speaker 02 The result is that a lot of manufacturers have started building cars for the US market in Canada and in Mexico. In Mexico for lower building costs, in Canada.
20:52 Doug DeMuro? Because they can.
20:52 Speaker 02 For some reason. Well, a lot, there's a lot of union, there's a lot of union requirements about Canada. Yeah, so this could be very interesting. If there are 25% tariffs on those countries and they are broadly applied, which I, seems unlikely, but let's say that they are broadly applied, that impacts vehicles, including the Dodge Charger, uh, the Silverado and Sierra.
21:13 Doug DeMuro? God, can you imagine if Charger then gets hit with a, after all the crap that has already gone through? If then it gets hit with a.
21:18 Speaker 02 Tough soap gets. The Silverado and GNC Sierra.
21:22 Doug DeMuro? Those are built in Canada?
21:22 Speaker 02 Those are both in Canada. The Civic, built in Canada. The CRV, built in Canada, in Indiana. Um, the RAV4, built in Canada.
21:29 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna make you, I'm gonna make you a little, I'm gonna make you a little, a little, uh, theory here. If Trump had wanted to tariff those countries, he would have executive ordered it yesterday. And I have a suspicion that he's gonna, he could maybe still, if they don't do certain things, but I have a suspicion that there would just be such huge blowback. Do you know how much stuff is made in Mexico and Canada?
21:49 Speaker 02 Right.
21:50 Doug DeMuro? I can't pay more for my Dodge Charger.
21:53 Speaker 02 What about for your, what about for your Chevy Equinox and Equinox EV, both of which are built in Mexico?
21:58 Doug DeMuro? The problem with the Equinox EV is it's already 25% too expensive. So if you put a 25% tariff on it, it would be 50% more expensive.
22:03 Speaker 02 I have really bad news. The QX55, the Infiniti QX55.
22:07 Doug DeMuro? Where was that built?
22:08 Speaker 02 Built in Mexico.
22:09 Doug DeMuro? Really?
22:09 Speaker 02 Yep. Agua Calientes.
22:11 Doug DeMuro? Listen, I'm gonna tell you this. Kenan and I buy cars.
22:13 Speaker 02 Tacoma, Mexico.
22:14 Doug DeMuro? Kenan and I, that's true. Kenan and I buy cars.
22:16 Speaker 02 Think I'm just joking.
22:17 Doug DeMuro? That are from the country and built in the country. Okay?
22:20 Speaker 02 My Ford GT. That's true.
22:21 Doug DeMuro? My Ford GT, Ford is American, built in America.
22:24 Speaker 02 GTI, built in Germany.
22:25 Doug DeMuro? We'll cover the GTI momentarily. Uh, my Toyota Sequoia from Toyota, which is, my opinion is kind of become an American automaker. And it's built in Texas. You know what I'm saying?
22:36 Speaker 02 Except, of course, for the many Toyota vehicles, like the RAV4.
22:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but, but I'm saying, the ones we buy are assigned correctly to their country.
22:44 Speaker 02 Where do you think the US sold BMW 3 Series and 2 Series models are built?
22:49 Doug DeMuro? The, uh, Mexico.
22:50 Speaker 02 Yep.
22:51 Doug DeMuro? Is that true?
22:51 Speaker 02 Yep.
22:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. 3MW.
22:53 Speaker 02 The M, well, and the M2, the M2 is the only MBW not to have an MVAN, because it's built in Mexico.
22:59 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
23:00 Speaker 01 I don't believe in this.
23:01 Doug DeMuro? This is it.
23:02 Speaker 02 Fascinating.
23:02 Doug DeMuro? So anyway, so if.
23:03 Speaker 01 I got a lot of tariffs, a lot more.
23:05 Doug DeMuro? He's gonna tariff the M2?
23:06 Speaker 02 I just cause of the my. Yeah.
23:11 Speaker 02 My guess is that they will not be applied as as you're hinting at probably unlikely to actually happen. Uh, also, if they do happen, I would not be shocked if they're limited in scope and don't apply to every vehicle.
23:20 Doug DeMuro? It's like a strike.
23:20 Speaker 02 The fact that you don't know is a little concerning, I bet, for the manufacturers. They're worried.
23:26 Doug DeMuro? It's like a strike. If if you do it, you do it temporarily to try to drive a behavior. I don't think he's gonna just like sign a 25% tariff and then suddenly the Tacoma is on.
23:33 Speaker 02 Well, for for for a month here Tacoma will go from being unaffordable and ungettable to extra.
23:38 Doug DeMuro? Where is the forerunner built? I just drove a forerunner the other day and you know what? I'm under embargo, but.
23:46 Speaker 02 Looks good.
23:48 Speaker 02 The forerunner is built in Japan at the.
23:50 Doug DeMuro? Looked good. Uh, anyway, okay, so that's the Trump situation. Yes. I want to be clear that there are potential impacts. We're not, we don't get political here, except for the 45, 47 thing. Is that political? I don't know. What do the Republicans say? What do the Democrats say?
24:03 Speaker 02 I don't know.
24:03 Doug DeMuro? What does Mitch McConnell say? I need to know.
24:07 Speaker 01 He goes.
24:12 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
24:12 Speaker 01 That's true.
24:13 Doug DeMuro? That's exactly what he sounds like.
24:15 Speaker 02 That was questionable.
24:15 Doug DeMuro? All right. Uh, so anyway, it's it is a potential interesting thing and we will, uh, keep our eyes peeled.
24:21 Speaker 02 We will.
24:22 Doug DeMuro? Is there any other news stories? No, we're not talking about this. How did you sneak this back in? No, we're not discussing. Volvo's changing their naming and it's all very boring and nobody cares. Okay, on to our next segment, which is we talk about cars. There is a lot of cars, non-news related car things to talk about today. The biggest of which is Filippo.
24:40 Speaker 02 Yep.
24:41 Speaker 01 Pass. We bow down to you, Filippo.
24:43 Speaker 02 Thank you. Thank you. I bought a car that's built in Germany.
24:45 Doug DeMuro? You bought a Volkswagen GTI?
24:48 Speaker 02 Yep.
24:48 Doug DeMuro? 2023. You bought it on carsandbids.com, the greatest car auction platform on the world. Wide web, internet. Did you buy it on the app?
24:58 Speaker 02 Just wait a second.
24:59 Doug DeMuro? Okay, go ahead. Did you buy it on the app?
25:01 Speaker 02 I did. I was, I was sitting in a car, actually in the Mercedes 500 SCC.
25:06 Doug DeMuro? Did you hear this? After all the talking up the app he's done, he actually bought a car on the app?
25:10 Speaker 02 I bid and my, I bid from my computer and from the app.
25:12 Doug DeMuro? He bought it on the app?
25:13 Speaker 02 And I bid it on that.
25:14 Doug DeMuro? He only did it so that he could say it?
25:16 Speaker 02 No, no. It was, I was at a meeting on my computer. It was very convenient to have the app out and bidding.
25:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh, how convenient is it to just be able to bid from home, right on the Cars and Bids app?
25:27 Speaker 01 Flip, I'm gonna ask you a question. You bid on this car. It would have wet pictures. Does that influence your decision at all?
25:33 Speaker 02 No, not at all.
25:33 Speaker 01 Well, it should have.
25:35 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so.
25:36 Speaker 02 Okay, the car is in Seattle. Of course it has wet stuff on it.
25:39 Doug DeMuro? No, nothing's been dry in Seattle since, since October 4.
25:43 Speaker 01 But.
25:43 Doug DeMuro? Columbus Day was the last time it was dry in Seattle.
25:46 Speaker 02 Why would that bother me, Kenan?
25:48 Speaker 01 We don't like to have wet pictures.
25:49 Speaker 02 No, I know. Well, why would that bother me as a human?
25:51 Speaker 01 Oh, you probably not. Me, it might be hard.
25:53 Speaker 02 I bought that car on CarzBis.
25:55 Doug DeMuro? Bought the car.
25:55 Speaker 02 On a, I bid and won on a Tuesday.
25:57 Doug DeMuro? On a Tuesday?
25:58 Speaker 02 I use Cars and Bids Safeway to, to handle the actual payment and transaction. Which made it really easy. And then on, on Friday morning of that week, my wife and I flew up to Seattle. The seller of this car, who's, who's a very kind, pleasant person, picked us up at the airport. We dropped her off at, at her house and went on our merry way. So we then did.
26:20 Doug DeMuro? Was the car as described?
26:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:21 Doug DeMuro? Was the car, does the car drive as you hoped?
26:24 Speaker 02 It drives actually better than I thought it would.
26:26 Doug DeMuro? Really? Cause you've never driven one of these before?
26:27 Speaker 02 I've never driven a Mercedes GTI. I did, I did watch every video, yours included.
26:30 Doug DeMuro? Ooh.
26:31 Speaker 02 Uh, and read all the reviews, both before and after bidding.
26:36 Speaker 01 He says it was surprise. This was premeditated.
26:38 Doug DeMuro? No.
26:39 Speaker 01 He knew what he, this is what he really wanted.
26:41 Speaker 02 I watched all the reviews well after. I'd already committed to buying this car.
26:44 Doug DeMuro? So you, so you drove it 2,000 kilometers home. What was it, what was it like? You like that? Cause he's European. I wanna, I wanna speak his language. Kilometri. Yeah, yeah. What was it like?
26:56 Speaker 02 It was legitimately excellent. Very comfortable, uh, very quiet and composed on the highway. Easy to, to drive long distances. It was legitimately.
27:04 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
27:05 Speaker 02 Not any, maybe it's a little bit less comfortable than my Mercedes T-Class wagon.
27:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
27:09 Speaker 02 But not by much.
27:11 Doug DeMuro? Well, it's a much newer car. I mean, I never thought, to be honest with you, and I love your E-Wagon and I'm thrilled you have it.
27:16 Speaker 02 You hate the W212.
27:17 Doug DeMuro? I, I never felt the 212 was as.
27:22 Doug DeMuro? Comfortable as it should have been. The 213 was like the difference between the Stone Age and like when Bill Gates and Al Gore conspired to invent the calculator. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it was that level of.
27:34 Speaker 02 Right.
27:35 Doug DeMuro? You're trying to, you're thinking, did that happen? I don't know.
27:37 Speaker 02 No.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? Look it up.
27:39 Speaker 02 Um.
27:39 Doug DeMuro? Look it up.
27:41 Speaker 02 Uh, no, but it was.
27:42 Doug DeMuro? Did the Stone Age happen?
27:43 Speaker 02 Really? I did a little vlog while driving home.
27:46 Doug DeMuro? Oh, really?
27:46 Speaker 02 Film turned around in the passenger seat.
27:48 Doug DeMuro? Did you?
27:48 Speaker 02 Uh, yeah, so you'll see that on the channel soon, maybe. Uh, and then I'll do a full review after we've driven longer.
27:53 Doug DeMuro? Regardless of all this, I'm glad you have the car. I appreciate it. I'm glad you use Cars and Bids in the Cars and Bids app and Cars and Bids Safe Pay.
27:59 Speaker 02 Yep.
28:00 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk more importantly, though, about the, what this means for the community.
28:05 Speaker 02 Right.
28:05 Doug DeMuro? Kenan and I have been not, I wouldn't say harsh. I would say.
28:11 Speaker 02 I'd say harsh.
28:12 Doug DeMuro? I would say incredibly, incredibly stern and mean, I would, I would even say about the fact.
28:19 Speaker 02 Insistent.
28:20 Doug DeMuro? But now you have a car.
28:21 Speaker 02 Now I have a car.
28:22 Doug DeMuro? What do you, do you have, like, are you gonna throw this back in our faces?
28:25 Speaker 02 Right, I mean, I have a car that has the same amount of torque as a 997. 911.
28:29 Doug DeMuro? So. He's been saying since he bought this car, he keeps talking about how it has the same. Cause he, here's the thing, Filippo wanted a sports car so bad. He's been talking sports car Corvette, 911, Boxer, Cayman, I, this, that. And he ends up with a, a four door hatchback, cause it's Filippo and he's a practical person.
28:44 Speaker 02 As long as.
28:44 Doug DeMuro? And so all he's been talking about is how it has the same torque as a 997 dot one. A 20 year old car. I bet it's got more torque than a 250 GTO too, if you're really looking at it.
28:55 Speaker 02 I should start saying that.
28:56 Speaker 01 Actually, but, but yeah. I love also that you, it's, you just insisted this is a, is a sports car.
29:03 Doug DeMuro? What is the torque figure?
29:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, the 250 GTO, here it says it's only 217 pound feet.
29:08 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
29:09 Speaker 01 Wow.
29:10 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
29:10 Speaker 01 That's 380 ish horsepower or?
29:12 Speaker 02 Uh, 300.
29:15 Doug DeMuro? 300 horsepower.
29:16 Speaker 02 More than mine.
29:17 Doug DeMuro? 300 horse, 217 pound feet. If you told me that, I'd be like, is that a base payment you're talking about? No, no, no, it's the greatest car of all time.
29:25 Speaker 01 It weighs as much as a potato chip, though, so in fairness, it's pretty quick.
29:27 Speaker 02 I don't expect that you all will stop giving me crap for my car brand purchases.
29:31 Doug DeMuro? We will.
29:32 Speaker 02 I don't expect that, but I'm very excited about this car. I also am very excited about my... I have a goal of any sports car that I buy, or any car that I buy, period, to be a car that my wife also enjoys driving. And she was not, she was okay with this, but not that excited about it. But she actually really likes the car. This morning, she was going to go row on some water 20 minutes away, and she took that car. And she's never taken the Fiat to do so.
29:55 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
29:56 Speaker 02 So I'm legitimately very happy that she has, that she has liked this car enough.
29:59 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
30:00 Speaker 02 That it becomes her default choice.
30:01 Doug DeMuro? But she likes the Fiat.
30:03 Speaker 02 So she says. Okay.
30:04 Speaker 01 I've seen her drive around. She doesn't see me.
30:05 Doug DeMuro? The point is...
30:06 Speaker 01 Leepo's wife does not recognize when, like, others...
30:08 Doug DeMuro? The point is, the point is...
30:09 Speaker 02 ...buys this.
30:09 Doug DeMuro? Leepo's got a car. He did it.
30:11 Speaker 02 I did it.
30:11 Doug DeMuro? Not only did he do it, he did it on the app.
30:13 Speaker 02 Have you bought a car?
30:14 Doug DeMuro? Like, he did everything. He kind of...
30:15 Speaker 02 I bought the...
30:16 Doug DeMuro? And so now the tables turn.
30:19 Speaker 02 I bought two cars.
30:20 Doug DeMuro? To Kenan, who has been talking about buying a car as long as you have, but for some reason has avoided some of the vitriol, but now...
30:28 Speaker 02 I'm getting vitriolic.
30:30 Doug DeMuro? He's even been less consistent.
30:31 Speaker 01 Well, because mine wasn't about exciting. Like, when I say I owned a sports car, I did. I had a Ferrari.
30:34 Speaker 02 You also want to buy a Vantage and then at some point a Viper?
30:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, I accomplished a life...
30:38 Doug DeMuro? You had an Italian Roadster with a manual transmission as well.
30:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I accomplished a lifelong dream. He bought a car that happened to be down the street. I mean, like, that was the kind of difference.
30:45 Speaker 02 It was in Antonia's, that's 30 minutes away.
30:47 Speaker 01 Mine was in Texas.
30:48 Doug DeMuro? He spent $8,600 on that car.
30:51 Speaker 01 I spent almost 10 times more.
30:53 Doug DeMuro? He had to go to the ATM six times to get that Viper. You gotta, you gotta be nice.
30:57 Speaker 02 The beauty of cars with a safe pad has to be that.
30:59 Doug DeMuro? Cars with a safe pad.
31:00 Speaker 01 God, you are a company man.
31:03 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
31:03 Speaker 01 Yes.
31:04 Doug DeMuro? Tell us your situation. Kenan is thinking about a car.
31:06 Speaker 01 So I, yes, the hunt for the Cayenne has begun.
31:08 Doug DeMuro? Kenan wants a Cayenne.
31:09 Speaker 02 You want a Fiat 500 or a Chevrolet?
31:11 Speaker 01 I do not. Not one that's up and on by you, anyway. Leepo's not nice to his cars.
31:16 Doug DeMuro? Thank you. Appreciate that.
31:18 Speaker 01 They'll be fine when it goes live on this site. We'll clean it up. I'll make sure it looks nice, but... Yes, I very much want a Cayenne. I drove around the Cayenne Turbo and I started, I was like, you have a point, Doug was right. I need a Cayenne Turbo. So I started looking. However, I did not realize that, I don't know if it's they've swum, they've left this country and gone to others or what. There are not many around in anything that resembles an appealing spec. If you want a black one with a black interior, they're fine.
31:43 Doug DeMuro? Part of the problem was they were all black. I was, so I was at Porsche when the car came out and I remember the whole thing vividly, the 92A.
31:48 Speaker 01 92A.
31:49 Doug DeMuro? Um, the 958, yeah. No, the 92A.
31:53 Speaker 02 The 958, yeah.
31:53 Speaker 01 It's the 92A.
31:54 Doug DeMuro? So enthusiasts on Renless, the worst kind of enthusiasts, have named the car the 958, but it's the 92A. Anyway, so you're looking for one. Now, we talked yesterday about potentially getting off the Turbo and going on to a lesser but still excellent. I'm a big fan of the V6. I'm dead serious. I'm a big fan of the V6.
32:12 Speaker 01 So yeah, so my use case really is to drive this car in rare inclement weather in San Diego, to drive it through ruts, to drive it to places I don't want to park the M5 and drive it to work. Do I really need the 500 horsepower Turbo to do? It's like, I would like the 500 horsepower Turbo to do that, but I don't need it necessarily.
32:31 Doug DeMuro? If you don't have it though, that opens you up to some issues.
32:35 Speaker 01 What, from you? Making fun of me?
32:36 Doug DeMuro? Not me at all. Not me in some, but like others. Him, the commenters.
32:43 Speaker 02 It's a Porsche. I want him to have less power than I do, that'd be great.
32:45 Doug DeMuro? How much power do you have?
32:46 Speaker 02 No, the V6 Cayenne is legit.
32:48 Doug DeMuro? What did you say, 270 something?
32:49 Speaker 02 I have 240, uh, 244 horsepower.
32:52 Doug DeMuro? The, the original V6 Cayenne had less than that.
32:54 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yes, I don't want that.
32:55 Speaker 02 No, but the second, the 958 has, um, 300 horsepower.
32:59 Speaker 01 So, so I started looking at GTSs and started looking and it's like, there are more around, but like, it's just finding the right. I think this, I care more, you also leveled me that I should be looking for condition as opposed to mileage and these sorts of things. So, I don't know, I started to explore maybe not getting a Turbo, but just getting a nice Cayenne.
33:18 Doug DeMuro? A 9, a 92AS early. I mean, I, I, the, the, the pre and post phase of cars both, I think, looked okay. The, I prefer the pre, uh, but most people prefer the post. But the S was a good, it was a V8. It was 400 horsepower. I don't know after the facelift how much power it had, maybe a little bit more.
33:34 Speaker 01 More, I think 420 is what it went up to.
33:36 Doug DeMuro? So that's, that's, I mean, that's a pretty healthy figure.
33:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, I actually, if you have 420 horsepower, I think 400 foot, 407 foot pounds of torque or something like that.
33:44 Doug DeMuro? You know what you do? You get an S because then you'd have two cars with a 4.9 liter V8 with 400 horsepower.
33:52 Speaker 01 Well, I think the facelift S went to a V6. It is not a V8.
33:55 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so you gotta get a first gen. And it's a 4.8, but in your car, they call it a 5.0. In neither case, it is.
34:00 Speaker 01 4.94, yeah.
34:01 Doug DeMuro? We're gonna, that's where we're gonna average it. An exactly 400 horse, German, they were made.
34:05 Speaker 02 394 for the BMW.
34:07 Doug DeMuro? Oh yeah, that's right. You get the point.
34:09 Speaker 01 400 PS.
34:12 Speaker 01 But, yeah, so.
34:13 Speaker 02 What are you, Cadillac?
34:13 Speaker 01 I don't, I don't, I'm not opposed to getting the slightly lesser model.
34:18 Doug DeMuro? Pull up some Cayenne S results here. What do we got? We selling these things?
34:22 Speaker 02 We sell a lot.
34:22 Speaker 01 I think we actually do call them all nine.
34:24 Doug DeMuro? Just type in, just type in Cayenne S. I just wanna, most of them will be that model you're looking for.
34:29 Speaker 02 The one I'm right now that's the first gen.
34:30 Doug DeMuro? What do we got? That's a first gen. That's a 24. Okay, I'm wrong.
34:32 Speaker 02 All right, 2017 for 18 grand.
34:34 Doug DeMuro? 18, yeah, so it's a V6, you're right, in that facelift. But here, 7100 bucks.
34:39 Speaker 02 7100 bucks, there you go.
34:40 Doug DeMuro? There you go. He doesn't click on anything. It's not worth it.
34:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, 170.
34:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but dude, for seven grand.
34:46 Speaker 01 Right wheels, though. What interior?
34:47 Doug DeMuro? How much rust did this thing have to sell for only seven grand? I want this car. Can I have this car?
34:52 Speaker 02 Called 958 internally.
34:53 Doug DeMuro? Not true!
34:55 Speaker 01 I'm gonna update that.
34:57 Speaker 02 Go back, there's one other one right before that one. That's all for 13,190.
35:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, that one. That's the one to get.
35:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, that one is pretty nice. I hate the base wheels.
35:06 Doug DeMuro? Those are the S wheels, to be clear, but they're the base S wheels and nobody got it. Scroll down, how many miles? This was a car, it was in Reno. Dude, you could have done a Reno road trip. That's like one of the great bad road trips, from Reno to Southern California.
35:18 Speaker 01 That is a great bad.
35:19 Speaker 02 The part, like the last part is okay. No, you're in, the part where you're in traffic?
35:23 Doug DeMuro? Yep. Kenny, this was you. Call the guy who bought this and tell him you'll give him a thousand over. It even has brown seatbelts for god knows what reason.
35:30 Speaker 01 Does it?
35:31 Doug DeMuro? It looked like it. Go back.
35:32 Speaker 01 I think it was the angle.
35:34 Doug DeMuro? Go back more.
35:35 Speaker 01 That.
35:36 Doug DeMuro? No, they're just.
35:36 Speaker 01 No, that's just.
35:37 Doug DeMuro? You're right, you're right, you're right.
35:38 Speaker 01 Lighting. But my, my point stands like I, I think I just have to find the right. Uh, the other thing you told me is like with the, the turbo, like you will spend as much as this car costs.
35:48 Doug DeMuro? I made Kevin record a, a video yesterday saying he wouldn't spend a lot on it.
35:53 Speaker 01 Yes, that's correct.
35:54 Doug DeMuro? Cause I just know Ken.
35:54 Speaker 01 The goal is not to. The goal is to not. The goal is to, I've done my thing with the M5 in terms of spending the money on it. I'm good. Um, I just wanna like not spend money on cars. I'm gonna spend my own watches instead, but I, I don't wanna spend money on cars.
36:04 Doug DeMuro? That Cayenne we just saw was like the one.
36:06 Speaker 01 I agree. And to be honest, finding one in silver, very difficult.
36:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
36:11 Speaker 01 Finding one with good wheels, which in my opinion, this one does not have, very difficult. Finding one that has.
36:16 Doug DeMuro? I like the wheels are subtle.
36:17 Speaker 01 I found, I did find a facelift car that has a full leather interior.
36:20 Doug DeMuro? Very difficult on the non. Full leather is, is, is easier on the turbos.
36:24 Speaker 01 Well, I think it was standard on the turbo.
36:25 Doug DeMuro? I think it was standard on the turbo.
36:26 Speaker 01 The GTS, it wasn't.
36:28 Doug DeMuro? Go, go back.
36:28 Speaker 01 Have it.
36:29 Speaker 02 Why does it matter for this purpose?
36:30 Speaker 01 Because I still, Filippo, I, I like driving a nice car, even if it's just like a commuter.
36:35 Speaker 02 It's still a nice car.
36:36 Doug DeMuro? Would you consider a nine PA?
36:38 Speaker 02 Kia Rio.
36:38 Doug DeMuro? A nice nine PA?
36:39 Speaker 01 No, I don't think so.
36:40 Doug DeMuro? I love a nine PA interior. These had. I love a nine PA interior. Plus heavy steering. Felt good. I appreciate how hard you're trying to get.
36:46 Speaker 01 It's just too old.
36:47 Speaker 02 You're right.
36:48 Speaker 01 It's just too old. Like the, the M5, I've, they loaded an old car for a long time now and.
36:53 Doug DeMuro? Look at that. No, that was, that had some sort of.
36:54 Speaker 01 I did consider the, the E hybrid, but the issue is I don't have somewhere to charge my car. And also the battery does add complication and it does have failure point.
37:02 Doug DeMuro? The original E, the original hybrid was not a plug-in. So you could get that. Then that was the super V6 from the I D S4.
37:09 Speaker 01 But still had the issues with the, the battery and.
37:12 Doug DeMuro? The, the facelift one was a plug-in, but it is 420 horsepower. The first one only had what? Three, maybe 400? It was a Cayenne S.
37:19 Speaker 01 It was 400.
37:19 Speaker 02 I love the Cayenne S plug-in hybrid. And I know that Ken says that some, there's some battery issues. Yeah, but like, fine.
37:25 Speaker 01 Uh, yeah, but the battery's five grand to replace. There's no five grand to put in.
37:28 Doug DeMuro? That one too.
37:28 Speaker 01 Ten thousand dollars in problems.
37:29 Speaker 02 That one too. They're in the corner. Look at that.
37:31 Doug DeMuro? You don't want black. That's, that's one of your problems.
37:33 Speaker 01 Thing I, I do not want.
37:34 Doug DeMuro? How many miles?
37:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, this one has 117.
37:37 Doug DeMuro? Dude, the, the one in Nevada was the one.
37:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:39 Doug DeMuro? You gotta buy that car. You gotta, we gotta invalidate that dude's transaction and you come in there and buy it.
37:44 Speaker 01 Swoop in.
37:45 Speaker 02 None of that will happen.
37:47 Speaker 01 I'll find one eventually, but I am looking like I had my friend Sam, Sam sent me this amazing red one today, red GTS. Our friend Sam, uh, listening disappeared, guys must have sold it.
37:57 Doug DeMuro? Oh, really?
37:58 Speaker 01 Strong number he wanted, like I wanted for that.
38:00 Doug DeMuro? He wanted all the money for the miles, I saw that.
38:01 Speaker 01 But it had a lot of service documentation and like just had the transfer case replaced and all that stuff.
38:05 Doug DeMuro? I think there's a reality that you will find across, you'll come across the right one and frankly soon. When we were looking for the, the kind turbo that Doug would drive in the desert series. We bought that car in a week.
38:15 Speaker 01 That spec is unusual.
38:17 Doug DeMuro? But the thing is that unusual cars come up, just if you wait a couple of weeks, the likelihood that one does.
38:21 Speaker 01 Well, I mean, I've been looking, I mean, they did, but I've been looking and like, they're not as around as I would have thought.
38:26 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but if we're expanding to S and GTS and even six cylinder.
38:29 Speaker 01 You'll find one you like.
38:30 Doug DeMuro? I'm telling you, six cylinder is better than you think.
38:32 Speaker 01 I know, I'd love to drive one.
38:33 Doug DeMuro? It's slow, but it's better than you think. And it's just like competent. The thing I love, I used to Turo six cylinder Cayenne's. Basically everywhere I would go, I'd Turo six cylinder. Didn't matter if G wagons were available, didn't matter if what, I would get a six cylinder Cayenne. Cause the thing I loved about it was it was super under the radar. It was more comfortable than the, than the big wheel turbos. And it was just like enough. And I like to just like cruise around on the New Jersey Turnpike in my six cylinder Cayenne. No one knew it was me and I drive my cars, everybody's like, oh, it's Doug, it's Doug. But the Cayenne, you could just sit there in your six cylinder Cayenne being like, this could be my life. Like I could have been just a suburban dad, like with a desk job. You know what? Pretty appealing, actually.
39:09 Speaker 01 Like most of the time, not that we're not on the same level at all, but like when I drive around the M5, I get recognized in it way more than I do when I'm just walking.
39:17 Doug DeMuro? I bet you if you had a nice six cylinder Cayenne, nobody would say anything.
39:20 Speaker 01 Be kinda nice. But nonetheless, it's like, I think that, I don't know, I have to feel it out with my soul. I'll know the right one when I see it, but.
39:26 Doug DeMuro? Okay. That is, that is happening. If you have a Cayenne S, 2012 silver with 79,000 miles that you bought from Arcelor Navara, you still want to.
39:35 Speaker 01 A nine two A, a nine two A specifically.
39:37 Doug DeMuro? Okay. Uh, another hot cars thing, the Ferrari 12-cylinder has been revealed. It's out. People are getting them.
39:43 Speaker 01 They're like out, out, right? Like they're.
39:44 Doug DeMuro? I don't think they're in the States yet.
39:45 Speaker 01 No, I don't think so.
39:46 Doug DeMuro? Uh, but they're in Europe, they're on sale. And I have some interesting thoughts about modern day Ferrari.
39:52 Speaker 01 Oh, let's hear them.
39:54 Doug DeMuro? The 12-cylinder is not selling well.
39:56 Speaker 01 Really?
39:56 Doug DeMuro? Already. There are threads all over Ferrari chat about guys being like, I bought one Ferrari and they offered me a 12-cylinder.
40:02 Speaker 01 Oof.
40:04 Doug DeMuro? That's thing one.
40:04 Speaker 01 Well, thing two. Was the one that Ferrari, they bought in SP1.
40:09 Doug DeMuro? By the way, the Ferrari was an end zone.
40:13 Doug DeMuro? The Ferrari was a short wheelbase.
40:14 Speaker 01 I don't think someone legitimately, I don't think someone bought a Roma Spider.
40:19 Doug DeMuro? There's a guy posting on Ferrari chat who's like, I bought an F12 and an 812. And that was it. And I got off.
40:23 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, that's V12, V12, V12, the most expensive car they make, like from the normal production range.
40:28 Doug DeMuro? It's two cars. It used to be a little different.
40:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, one, one was.
40:32 Doug DeMuro? When I was working at the Ferrari dealer, you wanted a 599, first off, you weren't getting one. But there were people who were getting them and they, no, I mean, that's a general statement. Like if you were inquiring about it, you were not going to be getting one.
40:45 Speaker 01 Like, I don't know.
40:47 Doug DeMuro? Things are different. That's 12 cylinder. That's 12 cylinder problem number one. 12 cylinder problem number two, there was like a 10 page thread on Ferrari chat right now about people turning down their 12 cylinder allocations because prices are so high. And options are so high and because they keep getting destroyed on depreciation. One guy calculated how much money he's had to lose on BS cars in order to get the good cars. And he's like, barely breaking even. And even then, the dealer's not offering him the really good stuff.
41:13 Speaker 01 Well, yeah. So here's the thing, actually, Billy did a video talking about this recently, how there are so many qualified people who can afford to buy the big stuff now. It's like, if you as a newer person want to jump in front of them, like.
41:27 Doug DeMuro? Well, but, but, but do you understand the problem? Okay. So the last thing I want to say is there's a 22 page thread on Ferrari chat about SF90 depreciation. Well, yeah. It's, there are the most recent page people like these are about to caution to the threes. And then guys are applying wholesale, they already are. And guys are applying in Europe, they already are. Threes. Yeah. What's his name? David Lee, who I went up, his car, an 850 sticker. Threes. That was two years ago. Dude, what I'm saying is, and so you're right, there's a ton of qualified people who can do it. And so Ferrari has to figure out another way to qualify people to get them into the high value stuff. So they don't feel so bad about losing money. But the problem is they can't get, if they're trying to shove all these FF90s down people's throats. And then they all lose 300 grand. It used to be, oh, I don't care if I lose 300 grand on SF90 because they'll give me an SP3. They don't have enough.
42:12 Speaker 01 Here it comes.
42:12 Doug DeMuro? They don't have enough SP3s. And so my question is, has Ferrari lost its luster? By the way, 296 is a red sticker or below used.
42:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:20 Doug DeMuro? Of course, it's two years old.
42:23 Doug DeMuro? That was not the case. The last time used mid-engine Ferraris were below sticker was probably 355. 360 is where that whole waiting list BS game stuff started.
42:32 Speaker 01 355, well, don't forget 355 with the F1, it was like, it was one of the hottest cars.
42:36 Doug DeMuro? You get my point, though. We're talking about decades. This is a new world for Ferrari.
42:41 Speaker 02 How many more, how many cars did Ferrari sell last year?
42:44 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. They're selling a ton more cars. People are flipping back their SUVs because those are making money. But like, this is, this is a dangerous game for Ferrari to play.
42:52 Speaker 01 I know. I've been worried about this day for a long time.
42:54 Doug DeMuro? Okay, if you force down SF90s down people's throats, and you force Romas down people's throats, you have to give them the supercars. But the problem is, the volume they want to do in SF90s and Romas and 12-cylindries in Purosong's is not going to be enough to be counteracted by the SP3. So then, the rich people are going to start bailing on the SF90s. They're going to sit there and they're going to say, "I don't want to be part of this SF90 stuff if I'm not going to get an SP3." And Ferrari then has to actually try to sell these cars. And that's a tough ballgame. And I bet you that you could buy an SF90 below sticker, new, at dealerships right now.
43:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, for sure.
43:28 Doug DeMuro? Meanwhile, meanwhile...
43:30 Speaker 01 Wait, doesn't it been out of production?
43:32 Doug DeMuro? No. SF90, they're still desperately trying to shove them down people's throats. Meanwhile, this is the last point I'm going to make. Revuelto, sold out for years. Porsche, high-end Porsche products, sold out for years. I never thought I would see the day when Ferrari would lose what it has had for 30 years. But it's interesting.
43:54 Speaker 01 It's a, yeah, it is interesting. I'd like to monitor it and see what happens.
43:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I don't think they're there yet. I still think it's the stronger brand compared to Lamborghini and Porsche. But you see what's happening. You see what's happening. As lovely as this car is, and my god, is it lovely.
44:09 Speaker 02 Here's the thing. The, I think that we are in much more of a global market than we once were. And that's notable for two reasons. One is, first, let's talk about Ferrari sales. In 2004, per goodcarbadcar.net, which is one of my favorite sites.
44:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, how many did they sell?
44:23 Speaker 02 In 2004, they sold 1,100 cars in the US, 1,200 cars in the US. In 2022, they sold 5,000 cars in the US.
44:29 Doug DeMuro? I mean, yikes.
44:30 Speaker 02 That's a major, but that means that they, as a company, are making money they weren't making before, which is important. The second element is... Somebody like Porsche, doing really, really well in the US market. They, their sales were down something like 28% in China last year, year over year.
44:45 Doug DeMuro? He slipped in the China thing, I told him not to.
44:47 Speaker 02 Because it's an important note, right? Like, just because in the US, they're really hot, doesn't mean they are international, in all markets. While Ferrari still has some brand cash.
44:54 Doug DeMuro? This Ferrari situation is going on everywhere. And you know what, you know what part?
44:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely. Are their sales, are they struggling to sell cars?
45:00 Doug DeMuro? I wouldn't say anybody's struggling. Like, they're gonna sell these cars. However, part of the reason that Ferrari has been so successful over the last decades is because people knew that they could keep, retain value in these cars. And what Ferrari has started to do is jack up the prices like crazy. Do you know what 12 cylinders is $100,000 more than an 812? $100,000 more. Think about that. So Ferrari's stealing more and more of the money for themselves, and that money is on the used market depreciating. Suddenly, people don't want to go down that road. And they look at Revolto, and they say, why is this BS car from Lamborghini, tractor manufacturer, keeping its value? Revolto's are selling over.
45:38 Speaker 01 Interesting point.
45:39 Speaker 02 I think that you have two options if you're coming back Ferrari.
45:41 Doug DeMuro? This is it.
45:42 Speaker 02 One is to continue to go after that same market that you're describing, where you are making it incredibly hard to buy a car, but then your value as a brand remains, in the secondary market, remains really high. And the second is to do what they're doing now, which is, kind of give some of that up, but make money now.
45:57 Doug DeMuro? Maybe. And there are downsides to both. If there comes a day where there are Ferraris sitting on dealer lots, unsold, the brand changes. The brand changes. If I could go to a Ferrari dealer, and they got two 12 cylinders not spoken for, sitting there, and five Purosangue's not spoken for, and two Romas, and a Roma Spider, and you're like, you know, this is Maserati.
46:20 Speaker 01 It's a smell a little like Maserati.
46:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. They gotta be more careful than I can even begin to describe. They became a public company. I don't want to say they're greedy, I would have done the same thing, but they have to start being careful.
46:31 Speaker 02 They have to start being careful.
46:32 Doug DeMuro? Because you're in a situation here where your flagship cars are not selling, where you don't have enough of the true crazy flagship cars to keep people quiet. It's a tou- it's gonna be a tough situation for the brand.
46:43 Speaker 01 Bring back Luca De Maas as well. Some of us feel.
46:46 Speaker 02 What's their new hypercar called?
46:48 Doug DeMuro? The F80. And it's gonna be cool.
46:51 Speaker 01 Not to be confused with the BMW.
46:52 Doug DeMuro? Right. How many units of F80 are they making? It's gotta be a thousand, that's the thing.
46:56 Speaker 02 They're making 799.
46:58 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so they'll make a thousand. So they'll make a thousand.
47:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, so they'll do a convertible too.
47:02 Doug DeMuro? They'll, well, they'll do a convertible. They'll make, 799 is their number of F80s, that means they're gonna make a thousand, because they lie. And then they're gonna do a convertible and make another 500. They're gonna make 2,000 F80s. That's gonna be around. They have to, in order to solve the problem that they're, they've, themselves have developed. I just think the whole situation is getting a little bit scary. If I were Ferrari, I would start to get a little bit nervous. Because the cachet of this brand is the whole game. The fact that you can't get one. And you're, that's the whole game. And if you can get one, and you're gonna lose a ton of money, the game changes.
47:30 Speaker 01 Well, and they've lost the definition of their product lines, too. It's like, it, it starts to get cluttered, because there are so many different models now. It's like, where, it's like, so the, the six-cylinder...
47:39 Doug DeMuro? Which is also an issue when you become a public company, and you wanna maximize your sales and your revenue. You gotta make more cars, but you're right.
47:44 Speaker 01 But it's like, the 296 is now what the V8 line was, but it's not a V8 anymore, so like...
47:49 Doug DeMuro? And the 296 and the SF90, in my opinion, are for, by, for most people indistinguishable.
47:53 Speaker 01 Right, then there's the Roma, the Roma Spider, and it's, it's like, it's, they're just, it's very dangerous territory.
47:59 Doug DeMuro? Meanwhile, Porsche is selling 911 STs to a small number of people at sticker. Meanwhile, Porsche makes all these Macans and Caymans. Porsche has made this unbelievable transformation, where they can sell boring BS cars at lease payment specials to randoms, to, to, to, to dentists and realtors, and it's fine, because they have this high end. Ferrari may have to do that. Ferrari may have to go down and dip into that market, so they, that's where they can get their revenue and their big sales numbers, etc., while keeping the sports car market small. It, it can be done. Porsche has proven it. Their brand is stronger than ever, while still selling more cars than ever. But Ferrari's in an interesting situation that is not, in my opinion, great.
48:37 Doug DeMuro? Oh, the Lewis in the 40.
48:39 Speaker 02 Win on Sunday, sell on Monday?
48:40 Doug DeMuro? Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. We'll see if that's true.
48:44 Speaker 01 We'll see. Man, what a car that was.
48:47 Doug DeMuro? You get my point.
48:48 Speaker 02 I do.
48:48 Doug DeMuro? It's an interesting situation.
48:49 Speaker 01 Luckily for me, the only Ferraris I really love are the old ones.
48:51 Doug DeMuro? And I think that is also a problem. I think a lot of enthusiasts would actually prefer some of the stuff about the old cars. The new cars have become convoluted. They're tremendously expensive. And by the way, old cars, new cars. We're now talking about used cars are 812. So a lot of people in the 12-cylinder threads on Ferrari chat are like, I'm just keeping my 812. It's got the same engine, the same power, and it sounds better because it doesn't have to be exhaust restricted. And by the way, a new 12-cylinder is $150,000. If I trade it in, I gotta put another $150,000 for the same car, which isn't really that good looking.
49:23 Speaker 02 Doesn't look better. Right. That's the issue.
49:25 Doug DeMuro? So even the old cars, now we're starting to talk about cars like the 458 and the F8 as old cars, which are under warranty, drive great, sound great.
49:34 Speaker 01 Any 458s under warranty?
49:36 Doug DeMuro? You get my point.
49:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, I do get your point. Well, buy old Ferraris.
49:40 Doug DeMuro? This is the, maybe. Or this may be the beginning. Anyway, I'm never getting a Ferrari press car again, but I only ever got two.
49:46 Speaker 02 What did you get?
49:47 Doug DeMuro? I had a 296 and I had a GTC4 Luso years ago, and I curved the wheel. I've only curved like four press car wheels and that was one of those bad situations. Next up, time for the market report. Market report brought to you by the Cars and Bids app, where Filippo buys his car.
50:02 Speaker 02 Yes.
50:03 Doug DeMuro? That's true. Let's talk 750S. It's our only market report topic for the day because we gotta get onto questions. 750S.
50:08 Speaker 02 We sold a 750S this week.
50:11 Doug DeMuro? Sold 750S for $298. What was the sticker on this car?
50:14 Speaker 02 I believe it was 370.
50:16 Doug DeMuro? 370?
50:18 Speaker 01 Let's see.
50:18 Doug DeMuro? 374. Sold for $298. $75,000 depreciation. How many miles? 10,000 miles. So 10,000 miles. It costs 75 grand. That's actually not as bad as I would expect.
50:28 Speaker 02 Is that bad? Is that not bad? I mean, this is McLaren's newest.
50:31 Doug DeMuro? Newest, yeah, brand new.
50:32 Speaker 02 The 750 replaces.
50:33 Doug DeMuro? It is in Idaho. I think there's a component of, anybody buying this was shipping it.
50:37 Speaker 02 By the way, we, this was, we looked at a bunch of comps and comps are a little, this actually was a good result.
50:44 Doug DeMuro? Look at that. What a license plate.
50:45 Speaker 02 That is lovely. There's absolutely
50:47 Speaker 01 There's a dog and a cat too.
50:48 Speaker 02 Oh my goodness.
50:49 Speaker 01 The plate says pet friendly.
50:51 Speaker 02 That's so cute. Um, this is a strong result in the 750 market. Really? Apparently. Uh, that feels like a lot of depreciation. At the same time, it doesn't feel like that much depreciation. I don't know. That like makes sense to me.
51:03 Speaker 01 It feels like a lot of depreciation generally, but not for a McLaren.
51:05 Doug DeMuro? It's, it's an unusual situation also because he drove it 10,000 miles. These cars are not that, usually you see 720S is coming to the market with 4,000 miles. This is 750S, cars only a year olds already got 10,000 miles. So, um, frankly, I, I think he should be happy that he drove it and got, I mean, he's gonna lose value no matter what. You might as well drive it, uh, especially in the 750S world where they lose pretty quick.
51:25 Speaker 02 Right. Like it's, it's notable. It's, I, I legitimately don't know.
51:29 Doug DeMuro? I don't either.
51:30 Speaker 02 Is that, this is the first 750S that I've seen.
51:32 Doug DeMuro? Pull up 720S. How many 720Ss we sold?
51:34 Speaker 01 Not too many. I'll, I'll, I'll ferret type.
51:36 Doug DeMuro? I, I, I don't know. I, oh, 720A, the 720S's brother.
51:40 Speaker 02 We found, uh,
51:42 Doug DeMuro? So there you go. 260 for a 720S with 21 with 7,000 miles. So the 298, I mean, I don't think the market's gonna distinguish between the 750S and the 720S.
51:51 Speaker 01 They look visually, I certainly can't.
51:53 Doug DeMuro? No, they look the same. And they drive the same, by the way.
51:55 Speaker 02 We, we found 750Ss asking, so like ad dealers that have been sitting for a couple of months, asking in the mid 300s.
52:02 Doug DeMuro? Mid 3s.
52:03 Speaker 02 With no real miles.
52:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
52:05 Speaker 02 So like, it, it makes sense. Like for like a no mile card to be, to be the, asking them a 3s for two months. Yeah. But it's, it's, this has got to be one of the first public auction results.
52:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
52:15 Speaker 02 That they just came out.
52:17 Doug DeMuro? 298 with some miles on it. I would be happy.
52:19 Speaker 02 I would too.
52:20 Doug DeMuro? Given what I know these cars depreciate like, I would be pretty happy that I got 10,000 miles and still was able to get out of it. Uh, after a year, year and a half.
52:28 Speaker 02 Really shows how far are not, how much not in that world then.
52:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. 75 grand's a lot of money to lose for a normal person.
52:34 Speaker 02 I'm impressed this dude drove a 10,000 miles in a year. In a 750S in Idaho.
52:38 Doug DeMuro? Well, he's in Idaho. He's, he's driving from Nampa to Boise.
52:42 Speaker 02 What a car to do it in.
52:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it'd be cool with a, with a, with a golden retriever license plate.
52:47 Speaker 02 I know, that's so cute. Why, why can't California have a golden retriever?
52:49 Doug DeMuro? We have the pet license plate. Pierce Brosnan, we have Pierce Brosnan.
52:52 Speaker 02 Pierce Brosnan designed a license plate to promote people spaying and neutering their pets.
52:56 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
52:57 Speaker 02 That's all factually true.
52:58 Doug DeMuro? We got, we'll do a longer market report next week because there's a lot more to say.
53:01 Speaker 02 There is.
53:01 Doug DeMuro? But I want to move on to questions because we have great questions and I love when our audience asks us questions. Now, remember, you too can ask us questions. If you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab and there'll be a giant post with Kennon's face on it, and by Kennon's, I mean mine. And you can ask your questions. Okay?
53:16 Speaker 02 Yep.
53:16 Doug DeMuro? So, and we'll answer them. So, first question from Minnesota Joe. What's the story behind the VW, behind the Subaru Sambar VW Tribute van that you pulled from Cars and Bids? Did VW send a cease and desist? Were they gonna have that one destroyed? Okay, let me tell you the story. I'll tell you the story. It's not good. It's not interesting. Couple of weeks ago on the pod, we had some issue where there was a VW, there was a Subaru Sambar that somebody converted to look like a VW bus.
53:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
53:41 Doug DeMuro? And I wanted to like tell the whole story. And Flippo's like, you can't tell the story. The story is not Sambar.
53:48 Speaker 02 Oh, what a Kennon.
53:49 Doug DeMuro? With an M as in Michael.
53:50 Speaker 02 With an M, yeah.
53:51 Doug DeMuro? Um, and Flippo said, you can't tell the story. Uh, whereas, maybe it wasn't a Sambar, it was an Acti or something. Anyway, the point is, it was, looked like a VW bus. And Flippo said, you can't tell the story. I don't remember what exactly the van.
54:04 Speaker 02 Nobody else has it there?
54:05 Doug DeMuro? Suzuki of some kind, maybe. I don't know.
54:08 Speaker 02 I'm gonna look for it. You keep, you keep talking. I'll find it.
54:10 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, the point is, uh, we, we didn't sell the van. We had to pull the auction because VW did send a cease and desist. VW is very carefully going after the, the trademarks on these VW bus thing, van things because it was a Subaru. It was a Hudson. Uh, they're very carefully going after the trademarks on these VW bus things, and rightfully so because they're now coming out with a new one. And if they don't go after these trademarks, it opens up the ability for aftermarket companies to, to make these. And it would, given that they have a vehicle out that looks like this, they're very aggressively trying to stop that. Anyway, I thought there was gonna be more to the story, but all that happened is they sent a cease and desist, we took the auction out, and I was like, there was nothing more that happened. So, that's that. Uh, right? I mean, is there anything else to say?
54:51 Speaker 02 How I feel about answering that question that way? Sorry, one second.
54:54 Doug DeMuro? Well, it wasn't, I mean, I don't think, I don't think it's that interesting. And to be honest, I don't want to say that I'm in Volkswagen's camp on this, but a lot of times it's annoying you and automakers send cease and desist for old products, for people who are doing stuff to old products. Some automakers are known for doing this. However, because Volkswagen has a brand new version of this, people don't, a lot of people who complain about this stuff don't understand how trademark law works. If you don't go after keeping your trademark, you will lose it. The trademark courts will basically say, look, you had all these opportunities to go after, to keep your trademark, you didn't, so it's, you're gone, it's gone now. And this is such a cultural icon that you could see Volkswagen losing this trademark if they didn't go after it. And so they're careful with that. So we're not going to run more Volkswagen bus look alike things.
55:35 Doug DeMuro? And, and I think that if you try to sell them, you might see action from Volkswagen because they're desperately trying to market their own version of this car now. That costs, by the way, 70 some thousand dollars. This would have been six, that's potentially scary for them.
55:48 Speaker 02 Especially because there's a large culture in Japan of modifying vans to look exactly like this.
55:53 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
55:54 Speaker 02 Which is fascinating.
55:55 Doug DeMuro? Which has its own, Japan must not have a similar trademark law, because if they did Volkswagen would have gone after it there and put a stop to it.
56:00 Speaker 02 I will say, part of our decision to pull it was ultimately not necessarily on the merit of Volkswagen's cease and desist, I don't know, it hasn't been tested in the courts specifically, or just some very fair questions about whether or not that is actually an infringement, but also because we didn't want to put the buyer in that situation.
56:16 Doug DeMuro? Our real fear was that the buyer, if they bought the car Volkswagen would come after the buyer.
56:20 Speaker 02 So generally when that happens, we just want to avoid any problems for our buyer or our sellers, and we decide, okay, well, not transacting at all is the better solution.
56:27 Doug DeMuro? It honestly wasn't that interesting. I wish it was more interesting. All right, next question from Rip Stick. How do your spouses/ESO feel about your automotive passion? Have they ever vetoed a car that you wanted to buy or hated a car that you've owned? Kenan, how does Emily feel?
56:41 Speaker 01 I mean, she's got an M3CR, so.
56:44 Doug DeMuro? CRT!
56:45 Speaker 01 She's got a much cooler car than I do.
56:48 Speaker 02 I like the sectional, Emily.
56:50 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, how does your spouse feel about your honor?
56:53 Speaker 02 She does not share the passion, but she's very supportive of that. And I think in places where I'm excited about, I'm never that excited about a car. The GTI is probably the most excited I've been about a car, but she's very supportive of that. On the way home, she actually told me that I should still consider buying a Corvette or something similar if I felt compelled to.
57:10 Doug DeMuro? Oh, how lovely.
57:11 Speaker 02 Uh, which is very kind of her.
57:12 Doug DeMuro? So she got in the car and she was like, oh, Filippo, you know, just so you know.
57:17 Speaker 02 I could keep.
57:17 Doug DeMuro? Now that we're in the car and I'm seeing how much of a compromise this was, you could still have fun.
57:23 Speaker 02 Yeah. Uh, I, I think that part of this comes down to, I don't make irresponsible decisions around cars. Maybe I should be more irresponsible. But just as my, my wife is incredibly supportive of that and the hobby. I think it's partially because it's not, it's a passion, but it's not like my only passion.
57:42 Doug DeMuro? Right, right, right.
57:44 Speaker 02 Uh, so it's not like I'm like saying, can I be out at car shows every day?
57:47 Doug DeMuro? We can, we can trust, in fact, with Filippo, if anything, there's a little bit of fear that he may not have enough fun.
57:52 Speaker 02 Right.
57:52 Doug DeMuro? And I mean that sincerely.
57:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, 100%.
57:54 Doug DeMuro? So there's, there's almost like a, you know, maybe like a push.
57:57 Speaker 02 I will say to answer the second part, she didn't, we had an NB Miata for a year and she did not enjoy the NB.
58:01 Doug DeMuro? She didn't like the NB. Hey, you know what? She wanted an NA. She said, I want an NA. I want to package one car. And he was like, no.
58:07 Speaker 02 I, she, her, her complaint was that it felt like every time she went to a pothole, because we lived in Baltimore, there were many, that she would just disappear.
58:15 Doug DeMuro? The answer for me, my spouse, uh, works now two days a week. We have two homes. She, needless to say, is pretty, pretty okay with my honor.
58:25 Doug DeMuro? I, it's actually interesting. I get this question a lot. Like, how does you, how does your wife let you get a Carrera GT? Well, you know, cars have, cars have given us a great life. And so I, I think that my spouse wonderfully is supportive of, prob, I probably have made some rather irrational car decisions, including a Carrera GT, honestly, financially. And, um, but you know, it's, it's, it's sort of, it's part of the whole thing. It comes with the territory. Okay. Next question. This is a good one.
58:52 Speaker 02 Okay.
58:53 Doug DeMuro? It's a good one. It's not a good one for me, but he individually asked three questions to all three of us. And mine is dumb, but the, yours is good. Old from old Biddy, theoretically for each of you. Doug, someone hands you the keys to an F40. The caveat is you have to get rid of your Ford GT, Carrera GT or Countach. Do you take it? Which do you swap? Yeah, the Ford GT. I wouldn't even be done with the question. Okay.
59:13 Speaker 02 I love the Ford GT.
59:14 Doug DeMuro? What if it took two cars to get? Yeah, I'd probably give up the Countach, the Ford GT. Okay, now, Kenan, someone hands you the keys to a 993 Turbo S. The sweetest car, so sweet you could lick it.
59:26 Speaker 01 Oh, I did.
59:28 Doug DeMuro? The caveat is, you'll never be able to drive, I don't even know what that means.
59:32 Speaker 01 I drove a 993 Turbo S.
59:33 Doug DeMuro? Did you lick it?
59:34 Speaker 01 No, I thought about it, though.
59:35 Doug DeMuro? The caveat is, the caveat is, you'll never be able to drive or own another E39 M5 ever again. Do you do it?
59:44 Speaker 01 I can't drive my own car ever again.
59:46 Doug DeMuro? No, it's over, it's over.
59:46 Speaker 01 But you have this.
59:47 Doug DeMuro? You got this, though. Look at those curves. You'd be known as the Porsche 993 Turbo S guy. Instead of the M5 guy.
59:53 Speaker 02 There's a right answer and a wrong answer.
59:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'm pushing it in a certain way, obviously.
59:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, the thing with this is, it's like, so someone gate would give me the car.
1:00:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody's giving you that car.
1:00:03 Doug DeMuro? But you can never have an E39 M5 in your life ever again.
1:00:06 Speaker 02 You can have an F10, you can have an E34. You have every other option in the world. You could have a CG5E Blackwing, I don't know, options.
1:00:16 Doug DeMuro? Kenan, look at this. You'd be, you're known as the E39 M5 guy now, but if you had this and drove this daily, you'd be known as the 993 Turbo S guy. After seven years, you'd be like, E30 what? Who? E30 what M5?
1:00:27 Speaker 02 The mob debate that's happening here is unreasonable.
1:00:30 Doug DeMuro? And then you'd be all over Renlist talking about how the 09991 option doesn't technically mean exclusive.
1:00:35 Speaker 01 No, but I don't want to be a loser.
1:00:38 Doug DeMuro? But that, but you're already that for your M5.
1:00:41 Speaker 02 The fact that you're debating this in any way, shape, or form is...
1:00:45 Doug DeMuro? Kenan!
1:00:45 Speaker 01 Well, I love my cars.
1:00:47 Doug DeMuro? You don't love this?
1:00:48 Speaker 02 The 993 Turbo S.
1:00:49 Doug DeMuro? You drove this car, you know what this is like. This is one of the greatest driving cars in history.
1:00:55 Speaker 01 Weird clutch, though. But yeah, it was a...
1:00:57 Doug DeMuro? What? Weird clutch? It's one of the great clutches in history.
1:01:00 Speaker 01 It was weird in that car. Um, but, but...
1:01:05 Doug DeMuro? Kenan. Okay, I'll let you think about this for a second, move on to yours. Felipe, someone hands you the keys to an R63 AMG Mercedes.
1:01:14 Speaker 02 Love those.
1:01:15 Doug DeMuro? The caveat is, you can never drive or own another car that's worth less than $30,000 US again. Do you take the R63? You gotta spend over 30 on every car. Now, I think you've never spent over 30 on any car.
1:01:28 Speaker 02 I have never spent over 30 on any car, and an R36, R63, excuse me, barely there.
1:01:33 Doug DeMuro? If that, you wouldn't do it, but you could have a Mercedes V8 minivan.
1:01:38 Speaker 01 Oh, that'd be so cool.
1:01:39 Speaker 02 I love the R sixty-three legitimately. Uh, they're in the thirties.
1:01:44 Speaker 01 Uh, unfortunately, maintenance costs about thirty grand a year.
1:01:47 Speaker 02 Yes, that's true. Not true, just the head bolts and some other issues.
1:01:51 Doug DeMuro? You know, those cars had distinctive wheels. No other AMG had those wheels.
1:01:54 Speaker 02 Really? Um, no, I do love the R sixty-three. I don't want an R sixty-three, therefore no.
1:01:59 Speaker 01 Okay, Kenan, answer the question.
1:02:02 Speaker 02 Kenan.
1:02:03 Speaker 01 I just love my M five. Kenan, it's a nine-nine-three twin turbo. It's the greatest car ever built.
1:02:09 Speaker 02 Three hundred forty-five, then we're made.
1:02:11 Speaker 01 I, I know, I, I did the video, I know the stats. Kenan.
1:02:14 Speaker 02 Kenan.
1:02:15 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, I'm Kenan.
1:02:16 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna get, you're gonna get destroyed in the comments for this.
1:02:19 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? Deserve it, Kenan.
1:02:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, but.
1:02:20 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
1:02:21 Speaker 01 Well, here's, let me finish this, though. Like, I, I, I am, like, satisfied with the M five.
1:02:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but you'd be satisfied with a nine-nine-three twin turbo.
1:02:28 Speaker 01 It's as a second car, I mean, this.
1:02:30 Doug DeMuro? Well, you can buy another car. You can drive other cars.
1:02:33 Speaker 01 You're one person, how many people you bringing around everywhere? It's just too special to use it in a regular base.
1:02:38 Doug DeMuro? You can own other cars.
1:02:40 Speaker 02 You can have an E thirty-nine, five-twenty-eight D.
1:02:43 Doug DeMuro? Or a five-forty IM four.
1:02:45 Speaker 01 No.
1:02:46 Doug DeMuro? Or a Lincoln Aviator.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 I did timing chain, guys.
1:02:53 Speaker 01 Come on, let's do that hell again. Um, I mean, yeah, like, of course, it's objectively a better car, and F forty's a better, a lot of better cars.
1:03:00 Doug DeMuro? But this is a usable better car. This isn't an F forty. Like, I think in an F forty world, that's, you'd want the F four, and you could sell whatever, but like.
1:03:06 Speaker 01 I mean, which.
1:03:07 Doug DeMuro? This is a car.
1:03:08 Speaker 01 A nine-nine-one Turbo S is also a more usable car.
1:03:10 Doug DeMuro? That's tip, that's tip. This is real.
1:03:13 Speaker 01 Nine-and-seven Turbo.
1:03:14 Doug DeMuro? This is air-cooled, look at those curves, look at that wang, Kenan.
1:03:18 Speaker 02 Dressed out by this.
1:03:18 Doug DeMuro? This is the worst thing that's ever happened.
1:03:20 Speaker 01 You don't know anything about performance cars, anyway. Like, I, I.
1:03:23 Doug DeMuro? But I know rationality. You're not gonna get an answer, Kenan, on this one. I hate to say it, but I, I fear what the answer is, and if that's the answer, then we're gonna replace him on the next podcast with, uh, an inflatable. Okay, two more questions, two more questions, two more questions. What are cars that sell really well, uh, that you think will be infamous and poorly remembered in coming years? Best example, he came up with the PT Cruiser, every question I'm gonna. Most Chrysler.
1:03:46 Speaker 02 They don't sell well anymore.
1:03:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but there was a time. Cars that's that are very appealing.
1:03:51 Speaker 02 Taurus, the football Taurus.
1:03:52 Doug DeMuro? No, okay, but for like right now, but right now, I that you think do well in the market right now that will be poorly remembered.
1:03:58 Speaker 02 Tesla Model 3. When Model 3s are $4,000 used cars, they're gonna be so ratty.
1:04:02 Doug DeMuro? Model 3 is right.
1:04:03 Speaker 01 Man, that'll be for takeovers. Model 3 will be, yeah.
1:04:09 Doug DeMuro? Model 3 is right.
1:04:10 Speaker 01 Model 3 is a very good choice.
1:04:11 Doug DeMuro? I think a lot of the popular cars, honestly.
1:04:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:14 Doug DeMuro? You think people in 25 years are gonna be looking at today's CRV and being like, oh, that's a hell of a car.
1:04:18 Speaker 02 But that's how you feel about the 25 year old CRV too. It was a car. Fine.
1:04:21 Doug DeMuro? The original CRV, that is not how I feel.
1:04:23 Speaker 02 It has a picnic table.
1:04:24 Doug DeMuro? Well, it has the blue. Pull up a blue original CRV. I believe we've sold them. Go down. Go way down. That.
1:04:34 Speaker 02 Electron Blue Pearl.
1:04:35 Doug DeMuro? That's what it's called?
1:04:36 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:04:36 Doug DeMuro? That is a car. How did that survive Massachusetts? All wheel drive and a manual?
1:04:39 Speaker 02 Huge downside.
1:04:40 Doug DeMuro? Is that called four for six? You didn't buy that car? You're out of your mind.
1:04:43 Speaker 02 Did you bid on it?
1:04:44 Doug DeMuro? No, of course not. But you thought about it.
1:04:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:47 Speaker 01 What was this comment about it having a return?
1:04:49 Doug DeMuro? Okay, um, I think a lot of modern kind of throwaway-ish type.
1:04:54 Speaker 02 Well, no, of course, like what about other, like that it got a special amount of attention. All those throwaway cars don't get any attention.
1:05:00 Doug DeMuro? Well, but he says that sell well.
1:05:02 Speaker 02 Oh, Cybertruck.
1:05:03 Speaker 01 Cybertruck is the answer there.
1:05:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:05:06 Speaker 01 Yikes.
1:05:06 Speaker 02 Yep. Yep.
1:05:08 Speaker 01 I win. Thank you very much.
1:05:09 Doug DeMuro? You know what else? Low end versions of luxury, CLA. The CLA in 10 years is gonna be looked at like, like I've already seen some rough CLAs because they came out 10 years ago and you can buy them cheap, like 250s. I'm talking about like Hologen had like early 250s. Cause there's good CLAs out there too. Um, but like bad early CLAs are gonna be like way worse remembered than the 190.
1:05:29 Speaker 02 I think that we're already seeing this in the market, uh, a little bit different. I thought 718 Foxter, 17 Caymans are already massively less valuable than than the, than the six cylinder options. And I think they'll continue to be true.
1:05:42 Speaker 01 Good point, Felipe. That's a good one, too.
1:05:44 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Final question from one Uis. That's Luis, but the one is an L.
1:05:48 Speaker 02 Oh, interesting.
1:05:48 Doug DeMuro? The L is the one. Uh, Doug, uh, you're forced to buy a seventh car. You can't say no and you can't say anything else. What do you buy? I've had six, I've had the same six cars now for a year and a half. It's probably the longest I've ever had like the same lineup. There were some other cars that I had before, but I kind of pared down to this and I've said many times that I'm done. I'm not buying any other cars. This is it. I've checked every box. So if I did have to get a seventh car, what would I get? I think about it sometimes. I don't have space. Uh, but it'd probably be a 993 turbo.
1:06:15 Speaker 02 Arena red.
1:06:16 Doug DeMuro? Arena red 993 Porsche 911 turbo, which Ken and Ken even bring himself to take over his $14,000 M5 is what we're doing right now.
1:06:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, look at that arena red.
1:06:23 Doug DeMuro? I bid on it.
1:06:24 Speaker 01 I'll come back to that.
1:06:25 Doug DeMuro? It'd be a 550 Maranello Ferrari, 550 Barca Ferrari, 575 Super America Ferrari, 575 manual Ferrari.
1:06:34 Speaker 01 You might be picking up on a theme.
1:06:36 Doug DeMuro? Uh, or what other cars have I talked about? Those are kind of the big ones.
1:06:40 Speaker 02 And a 40 if you want to go on two million.
1:06:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but he said money is a constraint. This is like a real scenario. Those are pretty much all I talk about. SC30 Diablo SC30 I would, I would consider it the right number.
1:06:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, those are all great choices. I mean, I want you, I think that you should get a Ferrari of some kind.
1:06:55 Speaker 02 You don't own one. You haven't owned one in a decade.
1:06:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, no, I just, those, those, those are the answer. My, for a seventh, that's, that's what I would be considering. It'd be either a Maranello Ferrari, a 993 turbo. Those are kind of the things that, 997 turbo maybe. Those are the kind of cars that I think about the most. SC30, a Diablo of some kind. Those are like the big three that I like still look at prices, look at values, look at sales and think, eh, could I, should I? And then I don't.
1:07:18 Speaker 01 Could be you.
1:07:18 Doug DeMuro? Uh, it could be me, but you know what the problem is? I told Sean, here's, let me explain why I haven't got a seventh car. This is the problem. When I buy a car, all right, I gotta title it.
1:07:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:28 Doug DeMuro? And register it, which is a process.
1:07:31 Speaker 02 For everybody.
1:07:31 Doug DeMuro? Which is a process. I gotta get it serviced up to my standard. And my standard is not perfection, but it's good enough to daily, which in some cases is harder than perfection because you, you really need the car to be usable. Like for a Countach, it's hard to get a Countach up to a status where you can drive it every single day. No, you, you do this too, but that, but this isn't easy is what I'm going to say. And I told Sean, like, I am willing to put the time and money in on a Countach to get it to this level, but I'm not willing to do it for a 550. Like it's not, do you know what I'm saying? Like I've got these other three special cars. I don't have the energy to put that level of effort into a 550. And then I gotta take it to Kevin and I gotta get him to refinish two of the wheels. And then I gotta put new tires on it. And then I got, you know, there's like seven things and it takes four, every time I buy a car, it's four months and 30 grand
1:08:15 Doug DeMuro? to get the car how I want it. And I just don't, unless the car is something I really, really want, I don't want to do it.
1:08:20 Speaker 01 I'll be your collection manager. I'll handle it.
1:08:25 Speaker 01 That's kind of where you, it's kind of the point you get to. That's why these big collections have people that handle that stuff. Cause the guy who buys the car just wants to have the car to drive it. You don't want to deal with the minutia, so you have to.
1:08:35 Doug DeMuro? They don't. And, and, but the thing is my, I don't have enough cars or money to have a car like that. And so like for me, I, I think, I, when I think about a car now, I think about the headaches that are involved. And by the way, every car that is ever sold on one of the auction sites, to me, is not represented the standard that I would want it. So like every time I buy one of these cars, I have to do stuff to it. And I go, I know that going in, like I am not going to accept some of the stuff the Countach had OE. I'm going to want to make reliability modifications that are costly. Same with Courage GT, I'm going to want to put in a suspension lift. I'm going to want to put in heated seats. Like these things are costly and I would want to do this stuff for a 552 and I just don't, it's not worth it to me.
1:09:10 Speaker 01 Heated seats in a 550 would be nice.
1:09:12 Doug DeMuro? Heated seats, Bluetooth in a 550, I would want to do it because I, I want no excuses on having, being able to drive a car. I got that stuff in all my cars. But the problem is, it's just, it's just work and I don't want to put in the work unless it's a car I really, really, really, really want.
1:09:26 Speaker 01 I want you to get a Ferrari. Ferrari started you on this whole, if it weren't for your 360, that was a pivotal car. That brand elevated you pretty quickly.
1:09:34 Doug DeMuro? Well, Filippo and I feel it was the Karmex Range Rover, which Filippo drove many times by the way.
1:09:38 Speaker 01 Both of those cars were important, so I think you should have a Ferrari.
1:09:41 Doug DeMuro? I would love a Ferrari, but the point is I'm not doing it. If, listen, if a, if a 550 showed up at my door and I didn't have to do a thing and it was titled in my name and all set, I'd be happy. But I don't want to take the time, the effort to do it, especially because especially, particularly in the case of the 550, I think I'd get tired of it in a year. And then after all that work, I'd sell it, which is what happened to the RS2. Like I spent a ton of money and time and effort chasing, making that RS2 exactly what I wanted. I registered it in three states. I had, I put perfect blue everywhere. I carboned the interior. And then it was like, you know, I don't love this car that much. And I would do that. I think that would happen with 550. That's why you go big or go home. Three great cars instead of seven okay cars. That's a lesson here for you.
1:10:25 Speaker 01 I have three great cars.
1:10:30 Doug DeMuro? All right, we forgot to start the timer. I have no idea where we are on this time for this podcast. Hopefully it's on time. Hopefully it's not too low or high. I have no idea. But thank you so much for watching. This was one of Filippo's more interesting podcasts and our greatest podcast of all time. Goodbye, everybody.
1:10:44 Speaker 01 Goodbye.
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