Our Race Recap w/ Tommy Kendall and Mateo Siderman

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman went racing and lived to tell the tale! It's a race recap with our teammates, Tommy Kendall (multi-time Trans-Am champ and overall legend) and Mateo Siderman (Super Trofeo pro with many podiums. Watch this space). We recap the ups and downs of our weekend; talk about our speed vs the competition; the importance of seats; Mateo's hospital visit; what it's like joining a team of this caliber; our "oh sh*t" moments; learn WHAT caused our mysterious engine problem; and more. Patreon questions include: Proudest racing moment You can take ANY road legal car on the track... Which series would you want to race, of any time period? Favorite corner? Why did we go faster when our car broke? Race cars that caught your childhood eye Is the new Porsche 911 race car mid-engine? What's happening with F1 drivers and taxes Recorded May 7, 2026 Aura Frames Exclusive $25-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/TIRE. Promo Code TIRE HimsFor simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/TIRE. TrueWerk Upgrade to the T2 WerkPant and stay comfortable no matter what the day brings. Get 15% off your first order at https://TRUEWERK.com with code tire. Drive Podcast Listen to Drive with Jim Farley Season 4 at https://lnk.to/drivewithjimfarleyPS!thesmokingtire Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Your generous donation to Dream Giveaway goes directly to New Beginning Children's Homes, a 501(c)(3) organization (Federal ID# 27-5011514). Thanks to your donations, unrestricted grants are awarded to charities such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), Honor Flight of West Central Florida, 4Kids, National Guard Educational Foundation, Victory Junction, Building Homes For Heroes, and Healing4Heroes⁠ ⁠To read more about Dream Giveaway and the charities our giveaways help benefit. https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/about.

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:45Matt Farah?

  In the vast majority of times, they will win. And then you'll be emailing me that screenshot of the dismissal that we are all looking for. One more time, offtherecord.com/tst. Alright, on this episode, it's the Race Recap Show. Two weeks ago, Zach and I went racing with our friends at Road America in the WRL Series. And today, those friends, Mateo Seiderman and the legend himself, Tommy Kendall, are in studio to recap the good, the bad, the stories, everything in between. The boys are in town. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. Two things, and then all of a sudden, every one of Tommy Kendall's stories, he's

• 1:29Matt Farah?

  like, "And then, he found this other option that nobody saw, and that's why you're the best. That's why your career has peaked with racing with a kid and a loser."

• 1:41Speaker 01

  All good.

• 1:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, 10 or 11 days removed from race car, we find ourselves in the studio doing the racing wrap-up show. Yeah. Which we didn't do last time. It's been just long enough to forget everything important and interesting that happened over the week. Exactly, exactly.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  I was doing a little mental inventory before.

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, exactly. What happened?

• 2:01Speaker 01

  There were, I mean, the highlights were mostly...

• 2:04Speaker 02

  I'm just preparing.

• 2:05Matt Farah?

  Preparing? Are we started already?

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Sometimes he rolls right in.

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, got it. It's my strategy. I love that, it's fantastic. But usually Zach gives me the fucking what-have-yous, and he hasn't yet. Why is that?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  It's just taking longer than usual, but it's going.

• 2:20Matt Farah?

  That's very weird. It's going.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  It gets unsettling, but now we're live, okay.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  Are you sure?

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Speeding.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:27Matt Farah?

  All right, we're good. They, uh, yeah, when you're hanging out, like, I have to film all my own stuff on these press launches, so I'm like, standing around a bunch of other people just going, "Slate, what?", you know, like, "What the fuck is this guy doing?", but it makes Zach's life a lot easier. That's great. Hello, everybody, welcome to the show. Not, never mind.

• 2:49Matt Farah?

  Uh, we got Tommy Kendall in studio, we got Tato Siderman in studio, uh, and, uh, along with, uh, with now, with now fast, uh, Fast Zach over here.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Fast Zach.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Fourth fastest out of five drivers, would we say?

• 3:02Speaker 03

  There's like 10 people that weekend, so exactly, top five.

• 3:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, you didn't, you didn't stuff the car into the inside wall of the kink on lap two of practice.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Did not, did not.

• 3:11Matt Farah?

  So you were definitely not, not the worst driver of the weekend.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  I think he listens to the podcast.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  He did a great job.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  Sorry, man. No, Zach, it was awesome.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Zach kills it.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  Yes, tough luck for the guy who left.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was unfortunate.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Teammate.

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  I, I broke the news of that, because it was our other, our team's other car. And they come back and be like, "Hey, you guys notice someone's missing?", shit, there was a fucking...

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Two men enter, one man leave.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  There's a yard sale on the back straight. Um, but, uh, yeah, first, you know, Tato, uh, you know, you and your Sergio, your old man, I mean, it's a real treat for us to get to go racing with you. And, uh, in exchange, we, we come back and tell everybody how fast you are. Which we don't have to lie about.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  Go look at the timesheets, bro, like, they're, they're legit. Um, but thank you for taking us racing with you.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Thank you guys for coming, man, it's always, it's always such a treat having you guys at the track and, you know, trying to share a little bit of speed and trying to learn a little bit from Tommy every weekend is, it's awesome.

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  We, uh, we're only there because WRL limits drivers to three hours max per race. Otherwise, he, otherwise he would come in for a sip of water and fucking be like, "All right, see you guys in two more, two more texts of gas."

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a real treat to have you guys and I think that the team really loves it, the series really loves it and you know, bringing everybody together and having fun on a racetrack is the best thing you could do, right?

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Well, and for me, being out of it for a long time, this is a really nice way to come back, not just with you, but also I've been really impressed with WRL, the way that RJ and his group operates things. There's a lot of elegance to some of the simplicity, they treat you like adults, but they're also firm. Yeah. And so, which is preferable to them barking at you and then never pulling the trigger with the penalties, and that just leads to chaos. So what they're doing is, works pretty well. You don't always maybe agree with the rulings and so forth, but were we penalty free this year?

• 5:09Speaker 03

  We were penalty free.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  We did not get any penalties.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  No penalties.

• 5:12Matt Farah?

  We were penalized by BMW.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. We were a little unlucky.

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  Not by the racing series.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, we didn't even have a warning. Oh, we did! For the car being in limp mode and the Mustang, remember when I went out and I had to talk to race control?

• 5:25Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, that was the dumbest shit ever. You were a broken car.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was maximum speed of 35. The Mustang was like, "He's off the pace." Yeah, I know.

• 5:33Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Helpful, helpful. You know, I'm just missing my turn in, that's why I'm off the pace. It has nothing to do with the car being broken.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, Road America is so long that like, there are like, actually sometimes needed like, exit roads in the middle of the track. So, we became very familiar with the turn five.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Dude, it's so long, when I looked at our lap times, and we can talk about it later, because I found the whole export CSV file, but I was like, "What happened here?" I'm like, "Oh, limp mode." Because the lap would go from 2:38 to like, 4 minutes, because it's a four mile track.

• 6:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Man, it's, that's, what a crazy place to, to race a car in general. It's one of those, it's like, it's narrow, it's long, it's hilly, it's very fast. How, how far back do you go there TK?

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Well, the first time I went there was as a spectator with my camera. I was, I think, 14 or 15 years old watching my dad race there. And then my first time driving would have been age 18 in a showroom stock, which is kinda what WRL is, but these cars can drive hard on the brakes. These, the cars back then, it was a 300ZX non-turbo and there was about a lap and a half of hard braking.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  Like Z31s?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Uh, squared off.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  The squared off, yes. The pointy nose ones?

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Z31s. That was the first car I drove there and then the turbo car in Firehawk and so forth. So that goes back to mid, so 40 years. I've been going there as a driver for 40 years. And what's cool about Elkhart, Road America, I always call it Elkhart because that's the town, is it's one of the few tracks that continues to race in its original configuration.

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  I was just gonna ask how, if the configuration has changed.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Unchanged. So Lime Rock, you can still run its original configuration. They don't because they run that chicane. But Laguna Seca's different, the Glen's different, they're all, you know.

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  So you have to reset the leaderboard when they change the configuration?

• 7:29Speaker 01

  That's right. Or if you have a record, it lasts forever, at least on that one.

• 7:33Matt Farah?

  And, and remind me, because you told us at dinner and I was shocked, what was your fastest lap there ever?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  At Lime Rock? It was the, the fastest lap at Lime Rock was a 44?

• 7:43Matt Farah?

  Which is, look up any lap at Lime Rock. A 44 is faster than that by a lot.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  And now that I'm older, it's faster than you should go.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  What was your fastest lap at Road America, if you remember?

• 7:55Speaker 01

  I don't. It was in the GTP car, same car. It had to have been in the 40, a minute 40 something.

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  Which is like, you know, almost a minute faster than we were going.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:11Matt Farah?

  It was crazy.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Was your first big win in 1990, you won with a Chevy Beretta?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  That was my first Trans Am win.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Wow, the Beretta.

• 8:19Matt Farah?

  The Beretta, yes. But the Beretta was like a NASCAR underneath a Beretta body.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Bob Riley, he was the second gen Bob Riley Trans Am car. We ran a V6. The Elkhart Lake race was an interesting one because we had a, a splayed valve cylinder head V6, four and a half. The Oldsmobiles also ran the same 4.5 litre V6. But as we, they started adding weight to us before we even won a race. Because the car, you know, had shown its potential, but we hadn't won yet. And they started adding weight. By the time we got to Road America, we weighed exactly the same as the V8 Roush cars. And they just kept stacking on, tied to that cylinder head. And we had brought in R.K. Smith, who was a Formula Ford, you know, guy that founded Swift Engineering. And for a third car, and he was running the 18 degree with a carburetor. And he wasn't familiar to the heavy cars. And I got in the car in practice.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  He said, "Just get in this thing, make sure it feels right." And I got in it, and it was 175 pounds lighter and ran the carburetor. And it was, it showed up, that was wooden weight in braking, really, the light went on for me. And I came in and I told my crew chief, I said, "I'm racing this car." And so, they put R.K. in the other one. And it was one of the easier wins I had, going down into turn five. It had about the same straightaway speed. And then at the brake, at the other end, it was just, wasn't even funny. I'd just look at the guy next to me and say, "I don't even need to check the brake marker. Wherever you brake, I'll just go a little further." And so, that was, and I actually own that exact chassis. I have that Beretta.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  Seriously?

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yes, I got it in my next Chevrolet deal. And I've had it ever since. I've never driven it while I've owned it. So it's in mothballs and needs to get going again, yeah.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  It would need a thing.

• 10:00Matt Farah?

  That is definitely like every other Beretta I have seen. Looks just like the road car.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  That is so cool.

• 10:07Matt Farah?

  That doesn't even, they don't even try to make that shit look like a Beretta. That looks like a fucking NASCAR.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  We had ourselves fully convinced, that looked just like a Beretta. From the front, one of the cool things was the Riley cars, you sat just off the center line of the car. So you weren't quite in the middle like a McLaren, but you were closer to the center of the car. So, those BBS.

• 10:29Matt Farah?

  Just for comparison, can we have a photo of a 1990 Chevrolet Beretta road car? Because it's, I mean, it's really uncanny, the resemblance between, especially the dish in the rear wheels.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:44Matt Farah?

  This thing is like a NASCAR in the front and a dragster in the back.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:49Matt Farah?

  Wild looking.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  And the exact same, virtually the exact same livery as the Williams of the year. ICI was a sponsor on the Williams back then and also all of Eddie.

• 10:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, that's the race car, right? It's they just painted a different color for that.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  I mean, if I squint, it's, you can't even tell the difference.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  Usually new suspension, you're there.

• 11:07Matt Farah?

  Look at the white seat belts.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  That's actually the zoomy one. What, what model, what model is that?

• 11:11Matt Farah?

  Was it, there was a, I think they did a GTU.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  GTU. There was a GTU.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh, you get that for four grand?

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Which was tied to the prior program.

• 11:19Matt Farah?

  I gotta say, the wheels look dope.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  We debuted it in IMSA GTU.

• 11:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Uh, so eighty-eight, I, I drove the Beretta GTU. It was, team was owned by Cars and Concepts, which was the company that was like a Roush or a, um, ASC.

• 11:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  That did the, you know, retrofitting or the after fitting of the package, you know, the graphics, body kit, wheels.

• 11:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, I didn't realize that was like a full-on like after package. That's funny.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  It was a significant program.

• 11:45Matt Farah?

  You see them at Radwood once in a while, killing it.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I saw one on Bring a Trailer, cause I always, cause I have two of those Berettas as well. And I kept thinking it would be cool to have the road, but one sold on Bring a Trailer for some ungot, it was a twelve to fourteen thousand dollar car.

• 11:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  And one sold recently for thirty thousand bucks.

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  I mean, I was like, oh, that's fucking, just cocaine.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  I know.

• 12:08Matt Farah?

  Cause this is, that's very problematic. I mean, it's, I could, I can kinda see the like forty-five thousand dollar Civic SI for the perfect one.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:18Matt Farah?

  But I, I don't know about the Beretta. I don't know, I don't know. But, so, okay, let's go back to the, uh, to the actual, uh, race at hand. Uh, we had success, uh, with the first place trophy the last time we got in this car. And, uh, it, it actually looked pretty good. First race, we were on a, on a, on a pace to P2. Car breaks, P4.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:40Matt Farah?

  Pretty good.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  We should talk about Mateo though. A little bit, cause we qualified sixth, you know, that's where we stacked up pace-wise. And Mateo did what Mateo does when the green flag drops, he went forward and passed the quicker cars and we were settled into second. And, uh, and we're looking for, and then we started having a couple minor, we had two limp mode situations.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Did you have one?

• 13:02Speaker 03

  I didn't have one.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  You had a limp mode and then it was laying down on me at the end. It wasn't full limp mode, but it was.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  It was just getting there.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Pulling power, yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had to pit for 10 minutes and they cleared the codes and all that stuff.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  That's how we got to third and then was.

• 13:14Matt Farah?

  That was enough.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  So, still finished fourth, which we were thinking, okay, we get rid of those little problems, but that's not exactly how it went.

• 13:22Matt Farah?

  I really wanted to beat that Corvette though.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Oh, we were so close.

• 13:25Matt Farah?

  The car that ultimately passed us for the podium was that C8 Corvette, which I forget if we talked about on the show.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  The TC Klein Corvette.

• 13:31Matt Farah?

  The TC Klein show. Did we talk about it, uh, here?

• 13:35Speaker 02

  I don't think so, maybe very recently.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  That car was so impressive.

• 13:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like some of these guys, they're all sort of related to GM somehow, uh, bought a shitty C8, like a beater, as shitty as any C8 would be, uh, and turned it into a track car. And we talked about it because we saw the car at Cota, where it had a round Cadillac steering wheel on it. And I was very excited because it like, A, I knew that would work and it was better. And they're, by the way, they're racing with that steering wheel still, um, which is hilarious because you'd think that even in racing, where it's really just here to here, that the square wheel technically might be better, but like, no, round is still better. That's funny. But, uh, you know, this thing is really limited on power because of the balance of power rules for GP1. I was shocked when it was in our class.

• 14:21Matt Farah?

  And then, so I guess they're, they're running a two-thirds throttle limiter.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:27Matt Farah?

  So even if they floor it, it only ever gives two-thirds throttle. So it can go to red line. It's just like.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Takes a long time.

• 14:34Matt Farah?

  It's just perennially coasting is what it's doing.

• 14:37Speaker 03

  Oh my goodness. That's why it was so fast through the kink, because it already had the speed going through and it just went back to that three-quarter throttle.

• 14:43Matt Farah?

  And then it's like, yeah, you could probably not lift.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:46Matt Farah?

  You could probably just take that shit flat.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  I mean, it had the giant ZR1 wing.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  It had a huge wing.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  It had a big wing. It had lightweight wheels. It had huge brakes and good tires. And it's a fucking C8.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:57Matt Farah?

  You know, so it's like, eh, it was gonna be good. It just didn't have the power. So, uh, I wanted to beat that car.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too. The shitty thing is, are we allowed to cuss on here?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Okay, cool. The shitty thing is that I think they won day two.

• 15:11Matt Farah?

  Did they?

• 15:12Speaker 03

  They either got first or second.

• 15:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, once they figure out how to win.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  They were kind of relentless because it's hard, it's hard to BOP that because it, it will show the performance, but it's just, it's probably going to fall off less and so forth and so on because it's just, uh, you know, much more modern.

• 15:27Matt Farah?

  Imagine limiting a fucking LT1 motor to 2/3 throttle. You, you do 24 hours just.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  For sure. And it's got modern traction systems and it's got, uh, an ELSD, like it's got all this really good technology that helps all those tiny things a little bit.

• 15:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It probably should be in the higher class if I'm honest with you. Like it, it's, it's very, very fast.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  I'm not sure why they wouldn't want to be in there.

• 15:54Matt Farah?

  I don't know, maybe they wanted to.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  We raced against that same team in Cota and it was the exact same color, exact same BMW that we had.

• 16:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  Just a real fancy looking one and way back there in the field. And so I think that they, the idea with the Corvette was, hey, let's, uh, let's get ourselves a real good car, start winning some of these races and then start thinking about other things. But they're in the process of winning the races right now, feeling good. And then once they kind of get in trouble for winning too many, then they'll, then I think they'll move up because that car is, it's so capable. Like it for sure can be braking near that three marker at the, uh, at turn five and it can for sure be braking very minimally for turn one, but, um, they didn't have the, uh, it seemed like they didn't have the drivers in it that wanted to push the car. And at the start, when I was, uh, kind of close to them, uh, going into turn three, they completely backed off of the corner. They really didn't want to scratch the car.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Um, so they're really in that kind of early phases of building this thing and they're already getting double podium weekends on the first weekend of the thing being in action.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  I'm a little more cynical than that.

• 16:55Matt Farah?

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• 17:34Matt Farah?

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• 21:06Speaker 01

  I know TC Klein is a serious operation, so I'm guessing they're finessing things and just building slowly.

• 21:13Matt Farah?

  Seeing what breaks. They did have some kind of issue.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, and trying not to, you know, get further restricted.

• 21:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  So work up to it.

• 21:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they have a small gas tank. It's not, they're running the regular tank for now. And they, did they run out of gas going into the pits? And that's why they stopped in the pit road? I think so. Because when it ran out of gas, it then locked it into gear. They couldn't get it out of gear to like drag it back in, so I don't know. And if you, excuse me, if you need a toe during a WRL race, can you then get back in and get a podium? You can. Yeah. You're not, you're not DQ'd if you have to get a flatbed. Okay. But that car is fiberglass too, so I imagine they don't want to bend it because it's not bending it. It's like ripping the panel.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Although, I have to say, back from my Sherm Stock days, I guess it would be the C4 Corvettes. Were absolute tanks. I mean, they would be in these hellacious crashes in these 24-hour races. And next thing you know, it's running again, no back window, and the body still, I mean, they...

• 22:22Matt Farah?

  Looked alright?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Oh, didn't look great, but it was still in place and so forth. I mean, you know, you drag it down a tire wall. You literally, it seemed you could not kill one.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  Okay, maybe I need to learn more about how fiberglass disintegrates on contact then. I thought it would like sort of shred.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, I mean, those cars didn't.

• 22:41Matt Farah?

  Somebody hit my C5 Corvette when I was a youngster. And it, just like, just like yours. And the front, the front quarter panel shredded.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Shredded?

• 22:52Matt Farah?

  Shredded, absolutely shredded. But like, you know, maybe they make them better if we're...

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Maybe from C4 or C5, they're like, maybe this is overbuilt.

• 23:03Matt Farah?

  Someone said about the C4 Corvette, "This car is too well-built."

• 23:10Matt Farah?

  For perhaps the first and only time ever, yeah.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  So, speaking of well-built, you know, I put on Instagram, it's no secret, we had a rough day on day two. The car basically didn't run. I got, you know, I got a DM on Instagram from the technician who ultimately fixed it. Not on the race, later. They sent the car, and it's real, the guy sent me photos of the car, like, it's...

• 23:33Speaker 01

  And what was it?

• 23:36Matt Farah?

  Here we go. "And I printed out the fucking screenshot, and I apologize, I forgot to print out the homie's name." So, if you're listening...

• 23:43Speaker 03

  Didn't land in?

• 23:44Matt Farah?

  Maybe. I don't know.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 23:46Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry. Did you recognize this, this icon as from their Instagram profile?

• 23:51Speaker 03

  No, I do not.

• 23:52Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, I'm sorry I forgot your name. It's not written here, but you know who you are, and thank you for the email. The wastegate coin on the turbo was worn out. The linkage from the wastegate actuator to the actual coin flapper had play in it, so the wastegate actuator thought it was fully closed, but could get blown open by the boost. That's why it would only make 3 PSI and go into limp mode. The turbo looked relatively new, so it must have been something that happened pretty quickly and prematurely. It has a proper BMW motorsport turbo on it now. So I said, "Was that... that wasn't something that they were gonna actually fix during the race,

• 24:35Matt Farah?

  right?" And he said, "Oh, hell no. Definitely not during a race. There's no way they could've fixed it." So, don't... they said, "Don't fault the team. They did their best. They wouldn't have been able to fix that."

• 24:44Speaker 01

  That tracks with what I was saying. It felt like it was pulling power, so it just wasn't... But it was intermittent. It wasn't consistent. Sometimes it was making boost, sometimes it was just a little bit off.

• 24:55Matt Farah?

  Sticky miss, or... yeah.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so... Well, my takeaway was, you need a BMW expert diagnostic person if you're gonna race that era BMW road car, I think we learned.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were also... I mean, they had a tablet. They were looking at the codes, but it wasn't showing that.

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  So, you know, there's no code, I guess.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  There were times it wouldn't even show a code, and it would limp.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  And that's fun.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:17Matt Farah?

  Well, and even when it was working, like during COTA, when you'd pull... every time we would change driver or fuel, you'd have to turn the car off. To fuel it, that's a rule. So you fucking turn the car back on, and you have to do the same, like, the same traction control bullshit dance you do in a road car, you have to do in this car, except you're wearing gloves, your fucking visors fogged because it's been closed.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Very fogged.

• 25:43Matt Farah?

  And you're trying to pull out and merge into a race, uh, quickly, and it... you would do it, and then you'd floor it, you know, as soon as you passed the, uh, the comb gate to go onto the track, and the traction control would come back on, and you'd have to now do it again while you were driving. So like, that was a little, mm.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  That's part of why my pit outs were so slow. Were you about to say that?

• 26:07Speaker 01

  I was just gonna ask Zach, what was it like? There was a lot going on. What was that like for you that has so little experience doing all this?

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Well, it was challenging because there was just added things. You know, I mean, in Lemons, we do pit in, we do pit out, we do driver change. And still, like, you get in and it's like, oh my God, so much adrenaline and you gotta pay attention.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Tighten the belts, mirrors, all that stuff.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  But then, in this car, they're like, when you get in, you gotta hit the fuel reset button to reset the fuel counter, which I did and it didn't work. It didn't reset it. And so I'm sitting there hitting this button and Zach, you know, our crew chief's on the radio. He's like, hey, man, you know, hit the button. I'm like, I'm hitting the right button and it's just not changing the numbers. And so finally, he goes, okay, that's fine, just go out, like, we'll keep track of time. So I'm worried about that. And then I also, in my brain fart of stress, forgot that you can just adjust traction control on the fly. So I thought I was trying to do it while they were fueling and I was stopped. But basically, I was just killing time in pits. And so after, after day one, Zach comes up to me and he's like, the only thing I need you to do is leave pit when I tell you it's okay to leave pit. He's like, your times are fine, but you're burning like 30 to 40 seconds.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  And I totally was, because I was just trying to like, process all this new stuff. I hadn't, I regret in hindsight not sitting in the car longer and going through everything. I did do it once, but, and I thought I'd committed it, but just like, going through it over and over and over again until it's just muscle memory and asking those questions, like, can I hit these buttons on the fly or do I have to do it while sitting there?

• 27:35Speaker 03

  I think that because we were so limited with our practice time on Friday, we didn't get to do those things. Like, we were supposed to do a bunch of driver change practice. We were supposed to do kind of the pit lane, you know, procedure a couple of times. We were supposed to, you know, switch drivers at the pit lane and, you know, practice like it's the real race. But the, it seems like the problem was happening to everybody. Did you have the limp mode in practice?

• 27:57Matt Farah?

  No.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  You only had like two laps, right?

• 28:00Matt Farah?

  Well, I didn't need to do much. I mean, you know, you know me, I can figure out the car pretty quickly. Whatever the car is, and I had driven it before, so it was just a matter of, you know, how does it feel on this track? And I can register that pretty fast. And so I wanted to give the time to the people that it would benefit more. And I had a Hellcat Durango, which by the way, shout out to the homie that used to work on the SRT experience who told me, they fill those with dot three brake fluid, by the way. So if the brakes boiled after two stops, like that's definitely why. I was like, yup.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was sketchy. There were some sketchy brakes.

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, I mean, the problem didn't happen to me. But I did experience it, you know, at the very end, where I was asked to go test it, and I was like, oh, this is fucking stupid.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry again about that. That was just, I was getting in and out so many times.

• 28:57Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. I didn't mind doing it, but like, that's what it was, and it was dumb. But, um, the, uh, outside of, you know, that issue, Zach, I thought, uh, did really well. I learned, you know, at Coda, I learned a similar thing. I got the, don't fucking slow down until you're like at the gate for the pit. Like, you're still racing even in the, and I was like, oh yeah. Cause like, on a regular like track day, or at fucking, you know, a slower series, they would slow you down much, much further.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 29:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  I mean, and I did that during the race, and you know, I'm coming up that, you come out of the last turn, going up the hill to the pit. And then, I don't know, 82 miles per hour, like slamming on the brakes, and I was like, oh, I'll have plenty of time to stop. And then I just watched the speedo going down, and like the gate getting closer. I was like, oh, fuckity fuckity fuck. And it was like, I got to like 35 and a half miles per hour, and for people listening, the speed limit's 35. Like, as I crossed the gate, I went, oh, alright. The uphill doesn't compress as much as I thought.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  That's a braking point you have to work out. And you see it in Formula One, you see it everywhere. The in-laps and the outlaps are often, and so someone either has a better one worked out. In IndyCar, it's leaving on new cold tires, and Impso as well. Formula One has the tire blanket, so they're leaving on hot stuff. But, uh, that's the riskiest, and that's often where, where it's just, the races are decided when everyone's rehearsed and the cars are running so equally.

• 30:22Matt Farah?

  Yep.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  But you probably didn't even think about it until the race about where is the break point to get to 35 by that cone?

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, very, very true.

• 30:32Matt Farah?

  They'll put braking boards there.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  There's no braking board there and we didn't practice it and during practice I was coming in gentle just trying to think of all the other things and then I remembered what you guys had all said, so I just came in hot and got it down to speed, but then leaving, you know, leaving pit, I was like going 31, not 34.9 and just stuff like that, like trying to be careful and not get a penalty, but just a little too careful.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Now, if we were studying it a little harder, they don't do like the big series do where they have timelines embedded and they're doing average speed at everything. They've got guys with guns.

• 31:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  So I did look to see if there's a guy with a gun at the start. So the reality is, I mean, you're rolling the dice, but if there's no guy with a gun at the start, you don't have to be at 35 at the cone. You need to be at 35 when the guy hits you with the first gun.

• 31:21Matt Farah?

  This is Tommy Kendall's.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Well, I saw two guys with radar guns.

• 31:26Matt Farah?

  Tommy Kendall's third door here is completely accurate because I was going to say it's not a laser beam there, it's a guy.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:32Matt Farah?

  And so if you're slowing and you cross the beam at 46, but you get to 35 by the time he turns around, you're golden.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  That's a good point, yeah.

• 31:42Matt Farah?

  The fact that our pit stall was the very first pit stall came in extremely handy in that regard as well. That's a pretty money pull in that case.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember them saying like, if you drive past our pit, I'm going to yell at you for the first one. I was like, that's a great point.

• 31:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was down to the far end of Coto, it was hard to find actually.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  What band radar gun is that? Do we know?

• 32:04Matt Farah?

  What brand?

• 32:05Speaker 01

  What band?

• 32:06Matt Farah?

  Oh, I don't know. We should put a V1 in the car next time, we'll find out. That's got to be probably K, I think. A handheld is probably going to be K, but I don't know. I don't know if they'll let you buy a KA.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Well, it's the MPH Industries Speed Gun Pro KA Band handheld stationary radar gun.

• 32:25Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah? Is that it?

• 32:26Speaker 02

  There's a lot of brands.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  I can tell you if it's that one if I saw a photo of it, for sure.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  This is a different looking one, but you know, I bet they all just put it in a different package.

• 32:34Matt Farah?

  We need to know. We need to know the response time, the accuracy percentage.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tommy's not like a scientist. He wants to know if we can put a radar detector in the race car.

• 32:42Matt Farah?

  And a jammer that will send a signal of 35 or 34.9. Putting jammers in the race car is the proest move.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Right. They'll never suspect us.

• 32:54Matt Farah?

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• 35:06Matt Farah?

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• 35:50Matt Farah?

  I personally raced against him like two months ago. And for me, a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEO-dom when it comes to car companies. So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on Drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app, very easy to find, Drive with Jim Farley. Check it out. I'm pretty sure there will be now.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  There will be.

• 36:19Matt Farah?

  There will be now. At least it's just us talking. The 2026 regs are gonna come out updated. That's it. This is why you race with Tommy Kendall. And oh, by the way, he's also fast, as it turns out.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I was looking at the spreadsheet, I was like, oh, I got really consistent here. And then I looked back up and I saw the driver change. Like, oh, that's Tommy.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  I was like, wow, I started clicking off 36s. Like, no, no.

• 36:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, so what was your best lap? Do you remember?

• 36:52Speaker 03

  33 flat.

• 36:53Matt Farah?

  That's fucking crazy. Zach was like a middle 37?

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Uh, my best time was a 37.7.

• 37:02Matt Farah?

  Okay, I was a 37.1. And then you were 30?

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Were you?

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  What? That's what I thought. I saw.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  I thought it's 37.4, but I could be wrong.

• 37:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, maybe. I was looking at the screen in the car and haven't looked back since. So if there was, if it was four, okay, whatever.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Tommy's was a 36.3.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  A preface, though, is yeah, Tommy's on the same tire after eight hours, and I get the freshies.

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  Which, by the way, pretty good on that tire.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, man.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  That's like, yeah, pretty.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Impressive.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  Pretty impressive.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, those Contis are solid.

• 37:34Matt Farah?

  One of the Contis?

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  Everyone runs them, right?

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Everyone in the GP classes, yes.

• 37:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  I don't know what the, uh, the model they run in the GTO classes and GTU, but it's... They use a lot of tires. They're using every pit stop, they use tire, um, and...

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  In those classes, they're doing tire changes every pit stop?

• 37:51Speaker 03

  So that's kind of a big budget joke.

• 37:53Matt Farah?

  I didn't realize that at all. I guess because I'm not watching their pit stops, but I didn't, I didn't think about that.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  I, I saw some tire changes. I didn't know they were doing them every stop.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  The Mercedes was every stop, the BMW was every stop. So the cars that were in the front, it was every stop. The Mustangs that were not really in the front, every other stop maybe, um, maybe just, you know, front lefts, maybe, um...

• 38:11Matt Farah?

  Oh my God, that poor team that had to do fucking bump starts every pit stop for a whole day?

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:16Matt Farah?

  Fucking every two hours are doing uphill, uphill, poor starts. That's a bummer. I felt like going out and helping, but like, ugh. That was, that's tough looking, that day.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  The feeling went away, didn't it?

• 38:27Matt Farah?

  Yes, and then I didn't. I didn't go.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:30Matt Farah?

  I should help.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Mmm. Now, they had a big race trailer.

• 38:33Matt Farah?

  Maybe a coffee, I don't know.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, that was a lot of...

• 38:36Speaker 01

  It's their CrossFit.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was, that weekend was a lot of, um, showing of endurance with, uh, you know, with the cars and like, at Cota, we got really lucky, um... Same, exact same times of racing, um, but much, much, uh, it was colder in Texas, right?

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, in the morning, the very first like half hour, and then it got real hot.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  So it was very similar conditions, um, but, you know, we had zero problems with the car, and then the car went to Barber, um, with me and the team and, uh, three other pretty fast drivers, and we won the, the second race at Barber, and it was real hot. And then we, we come to, uh, uh, Wisconsin, and we got pretty unlucky there with the, the, um, the waistgate release valve?

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, whatever.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. So I mean, that's, that's endurance racing, right? Like, things go wrong randomly, and this was our one, you know, off weekend. Um, and the team is, you know, they, they, they, they worked their cheeks off, they... They put the car together, they had a rough weekend starting off and you know, I really hoped that we were gonna get that first race podium, but the idea was, the first race is our practice race. We didn't even get enough practice for everybody.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  That was the idea.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  Right?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll let you continue.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  And so 4th place is amazing for a practice race.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  Okay, that was the idea.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  At dinner, we're like, alright, we didn't get a lot of practice today because the car broke, basically the whole day of practice. Then it rained, da-da-da-da. So everyone's like...

• 39:58Speaker 03

  You did great in the rain, by the way.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Just didn't crash in the rain.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  No, you was fantastic.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  I don't give a fuck what...

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  I'm not looking at the clock, I'm just like, whoa, whoa. I'm just counter-staring.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Got to experience the Road America rain line, though.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  Oh, so good.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  It's legit, right?

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Thank god we had talked about that, like, on a whim. I was like, yeah, how does the rain line work? And you guys explained it, and that helped everything.

• 40:18Matt Farah?

  I did, I ran the rain line in the Durango with fucking traction control fully off, and it was good. The rain line was sticky.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 40:25Matt Farah?

  It was fine.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 40:26Matt Farah?

  It was okay.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  In general, you're kind of doing that everywhere you go. I do it on pace laps, is I try to plot the grip with the brake pedal on the pace laps. And so you search around and you see how quickly it locks. And like in Road America, it's dramatic between rain line and not. And so, you know, you don't get a perfect plot, but you start seeing, okay, wow, offline braking, quite good. Online, really bad. And then some of these other things, and you have to crisscross over that, so...

• 40:56Matt Farah?

  Outside of the carousel, quite good.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Quite good.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  Quite good.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Until the line joins.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  And then you gotta tiptoe, you gotta tiptoe, slide of death.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  If you're dyslexic, rain line is perfect, because it's just the opposite of what you're thinking it is normally.

• 41:11Matt Farah?

  It's just the opposite, yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  I want to say what was very funny is we all were like, alright, first race day's gonna be practice, we're gonna go for the win on Sunday. You go out, Tato starts cooking, and Matt walks up to me, he goes, "I think we're racing." And I was like, "Fuck."

• 41:28Speaker 02

  He's like, "Yeah, I think we're racing." Okay.

• 41:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's practice unless you're looking at a podium.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 41:34Matt Farah?

  Then you're racing.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you need to hedge, hedge your excitement, but also, you know, be ready to fucking go racing.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Can we talk about that seat? And the hit.

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, I was fucked up for a couple of days.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Same.

• 41:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This seat was a little small for TK and myself.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  And, I also, it was small, the same one that it coated.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  It's the same one.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  It didn't f me up the same way, but something, the, uh, the pad underneath, the ramp that's supposed to hold, support your legs underneath, had come undone, Velcroed, and it was slid all the way forward, it was pushing against my calves. And so, I was, I was wrecked.

• 42:10Matt Farah?

  Well, you already, I mean, because of your injury, the way that you drive is fucking crazy.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's pretty nuts.

• 42:16Matt Farah?

  To hover your foot effectively.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  In the air.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  In the air.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:20Matt Farah?

  For an hour plus stint is a wild feat of athletic endurance. Even in a comfortable seat.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Good isometric. Now, if I was super fit, it'd be one of them. I mean, I'm, I-

• 42:32Matt Farah?

  Even if you are super fit, that's a fucking wild-

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a whole lot of-

• 42:35Matt Farah?

  Try to do that. Try to sit in a chair and hold your foot up for five minutes.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  And to explain to people that are listening, because I have no, my right ankle doesn't bend at all, and so, the more you bend your knees, the more your toe is tipped forward. And so, most people just plant their heel and then articulate at the ankle to work the throttle. I can't do that because my, for, my foot to be on the floor, the toe is, is, uh, or the heel would be way far back.

• 43:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  So, I have to hold it in the air. I build a little ramp usually if I can get that in a, in a car, so I can slide it. In this car, I didn't have it. And so, I'm, I'm literally just hovering it in the air.

• 43:11Matt Farah?

  And if you have your ramp in a, is it made of like aluminum or something?

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  Whatever, okay. Do you then, cause driving shoes typically have a grippy ball on the bottom because people roll, do you then put like a gaffer tape to like lube up the ball to move easier?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's, it's sloped. It, I've never had an issue with that, um, so-

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  Have I just innovated for you?

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. We polished the ramp, you might gain a couple of tenths.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Have of it slide if it gets to.

• 43:40Matt Farah?

  Well, if you make a channel.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like a V.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:43Matt Farah?

  Type of channel. But like, when you told me you did that, I was like, I'm sorry, what? Cause like, normal driving is exhausting in a race. Like, that's a, that's crazy. But I think it's, I think we could put the race, cause you have done it in cars you've shared with standard drivers and it's not a thing that comes into play.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  If you have regular mobility in your right foot, right?

• 44:03Speaker 01

  True.

• 44:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, so let's put a ramp in this thing, let's go.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:06Matt Farah?

  There's gotta be one that like, we basically take a BMW floor mat.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:13Matt Farah?

  Right? And that's your, your bottom shape.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  And you build, you mold the ramp on that and then you can just like plop it in and it'll just like stay.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I've done it with it when it was just under my throttle foot, but there's no reason it couldn't be a false floor all the way across. So that you, it feels normal to you guys with your, your, you know, I don't think you would even notice it.

• 44:31Matt Farah?

  And you left foot brake then?

• 44:33Speaker 01

  I, it depends, if the seat supports me well enough, I left foot brake in this car because of the seat, I was, I was right foot.

• 44:38Matt Farah?

  You're doing right foot braking, yeah. Oh, yeah, you must've been fucked up and the seat, I don't know why it was worse for me this time than last time. Maybe just because of the arrangement of cushions, but like, my hips were bruised for a couple of days.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  So, Tommy, you've raced, you've done endurance races with a wide variety of people. So this is probably an ongoing challenge for any team. You know, you're a very tall person, you race with a short person or whatever the size differences are. Is, is the secret to this stuff where you just, everyone gets their seat mold done? Or, you know, how do you find that compromise?

• 45:09Speaker 01

  The secret is to drive with people that are of similar size. The compromise is, you know, you, you work through all that stuff and, and there are still compromises. It's why I've always liked it because of my size and the special needs of the feet. You know, in Trans Am, I love that so much because the seat was so perfectly tailored to me and I didn't have to make any compromises. I was super comfortable. Um, but yeah, that's what, that's what you do is you, you end up, you know, having inserts. This, this seat, uh, moved, which I didn't remember that it moved, so I think I drove too close also on my stance. So it was, it was kind of a, a, a perfect storm the wrong way. Used to the seats not sliding.

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  I drove a little, I got in the car a little too close and I moved it back during the race and then had to tighten everything up. Talking about terrifying.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  It's also hard if you do that, you go back too far and then you can't go forward because the belts won't let you go far enough forward.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Hit the brakes and then hold that lever.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  You don't want to have to fuck with shit while you're racing.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  Well, if the seatbelt's on and the seat moves up, we could have a second injury like the one that, right?

• 46:14Speaker 01

  This would be a good time to talk about it. Tito's balls? I want to get into that because that's a more interesting, we've sliced up a pretty uninteresting race a lot so far, but I.

• 46:27Matt Farah?

  Speaking of injuries that might limit how you drive a car.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  Speaking of sliced up.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Just seating position is something I don't think a lot of drivers, as you're getting into it, you really should work on it. I learned it halfway through my career when I drove that GTP car, how much I was moving around, how much I was, energy I was using to brace myself with a dead pedal and with my hand. And so if you get someone that knows seating and works with you, you can really reduce the amount of energy you spend. And it also makes you more consistent because you're not moving around in the seat.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  So that's one thing we, Matt and I complain about with road cars, if it's a sports car, supercar, and the seat bolstering's not there. Now I'm holding myself with my arms or my leg. The first time I drove this Ranchero and Lemons, the seat, we have a wide variety of people on the team, and it was like an unpadded, kirkie seat, it was very open. So I was holding myself with my arms and also my left leg against the door, but I did, you know, six hours of driving. My whole IT band, the whole next two weeks was like on fire. I was like, what did I do? I went, oh, I held my body weight with, you know, the hip extension, whatever. So it was terrible. Yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Well, which is a segue to Mateo, the thing we've kind of been tiptoeing around, Mateo had an injury. We talked, I talked about it on the race broadcast when I went up to the booth. But, you know, a week before, was it two weeks before?

• 47:49Speaker 03

  No, the Friday right before.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Friday before we drove, he was right seating. Do you want to tell it? Do you want me to tell it?

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can tell the story. So I'm. Driving at a, or no, sorry, I'm coaching at a-

• 47:59Matt Farah?

  Warning, this is fucking gruesome.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  They're not gonna see the video though, so-

• 48:03Matt Farah?

  No, but like, just even hearing about it, this is gnarly.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, it wasn't great.

• 48:07Matt Farah?

  Fair warning.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  We're still reeling from the injury. No, so the, uh, I was coaching at a driving club at Homestead Miami Speedway. Two Fri- or one Friday, right before the, uh, the qualifying. So, um, get there like eight in the morning and it's some guy's birthday and it's like they rented out the whole track. And so it's me and like five other coaches and we're just there to, you know, show them a good time. They rented out a, uh, two race cars. One was a semi, um, you know, race-ready Porsche GT3RS. It had kind of everything you need, except it was on the street tire. And there was a license plate in the back. So, it might have not been a race car, but it looked like a race car and it acted like a race car. And then the other one was the exact same car we use at Open Throttle, is the M235IR.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  Um, and they show up in the morning and the guy who's running the thing's like, "Hey, who's experiencing this thing?" And I was like, "I just came back from Alabama, I won the race and I did three hours of driving." I know. Um, and it was only one seat and I was like, "This is great, I'm just gonna tell them how to drive it." They're gonna drive it and then that'll be my whole day.

• 49:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  Um, and then the birthday group shows up and, sorry. Um, the birthday group shows up and the, um, the first thing they do is they put us into a big van. And I'm the one who's standing in the van, kind of pointing out what's going on on the track. And that was, I thought that was gonna be the most of my, you know, adventures of the day. Other than doing the, the shakedown of the BMW to start with. But then the, uh, the people, they go over and they see the, the car has only one seat. And the dad said, "Hey, this is unacceptable, like, we need a coach in the car." And I was like, "I mean, you don't really need a coach in the car, like, there's data, I can bring my computer, we can actually learn how to race." And he was like, "No, it's not as fun." So, they called in, um, the mechanic shop or whatever, they brought a seat down. And then thirty minutes later, they're putting in the seat.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Long story short, the seat doesn't fit me all too well, but I was just doing the first couple laps to show this random guy, uh, kind of how the track is supposed to go. I didn't go fast, I just kind of emphasized what we're supposed to do in the brake zones and how to, how to exit the brake, um, properly. And that was kind of the whole thing. Two laps, show them what, what's right and left, show them how to use the left pedal and-

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Did this person have race experience?

• 50:14Speaker 03

  None of them had race experience. So, that was it. Just drive very smoothly, very slowly, all we want to learn today is the brake. And we want to master the brake.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  We switch seats and I get into the seat and I'm like, "Man, this is not fitting right." Like the pedal, sorry, the pedal box is too far away. My legs don't reach. The, um, the seat belt, the actual clipping belt was pressed right on my family jewels. And the, uh, it was a six-point harness. So it was on both sides on the, on the lap. Um, and then, no, it was a five-point harness, I guess.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  No, it was five.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, five.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  One submarine.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. One, one, one little belt buckle guy and then two straps on the, on the right and left side of the hips. Uh, and those were real tight. So I was like, "You know what? I'm super secure. If anything happens, it'll feel like a punch right in the, right in the gonads. But if, you know, I'm not sure that we're gonna be able to get anything, you know, crazy happening here." First two laps, amazing. We go slow. The most that we feel is like, "Oh, traction control kicks in when you try to get to the gas too early." Leaving turn, uh, turn six. Great. Uh, then, um, I'm giving him like a high five. Great job. Cool down lap. We're gonna go around one more time. Not getting into the brakes too much, not getting into the gas. Just wanna cool everything down and we'll talk again when we, when we park up. Um, he's like, "Okay, cool." And then, second we cross start-finish line, he slams on the gas. And I'm like, "Whoa, what is going on?"

• 51:30Speaker 03

  And then we go into turn one, there's a very big, um, change of the track from the banked, uh, NASCAR track to the infield. And so, we take that full speed, huge bump, and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. We're, we're going into this full speed." So I reach over to grab the wheel while screaming, "Brake, brake, brake." Um, none of that worked. And we ended up getting a little bit of a yaw. And while I grabbed the wheel to try and countersteer, he slammed on the gas. It was a lot of new inputs that weren't expected. But, long story short, we ended up in the inside wall at turn two. Um, and the, the initial impact, I was like, "Man, that, that really felt like a punch right in the gonads." Um, and the, the corner worker comes over and we see the red truck and, um, he's like, "What do I do?" And I turn the car off and I'm like, "It's all good.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Like, everything's okay, everybody's safe." Um, you know, I think people make mistakes, but that was our cooldown lap. So let's just, right, let's, let's just relax and we'll talk to the corner workers when we get here.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  The tech is way too nice.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Way too nice.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  And so, the corner workers get out of the truck and they're like, "Hey guys, are you guys okay?" And I was like, "Yeah, I just got hit in the nuts really hard." And I'm like, still going like, "Ah, like the stomach thing still hurts." And so they're like, "Okay, just jump out of the car, we'll check you out." And I was like, "All right." So I reached down to unbutton the belt, and I unbuttoned, I'm like, "Man, that was such a relief." And I looked down, it's like a little speck of blood on my khaki pants. I'm like, "Oh, man, that's weird, it's probably from like, my belly button or something." Like, something got caught with the seatbelt. And then, I stand up, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that is a fair amount, all on like, my pants." And so I said, "Hey, I gotta make sure everything's still there," like jokingly, right? And then, I turn around and looking at the wall, and I'm like, "I'm just gonna make sure everything's still good."

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Moved my underwear over, and my right nut was hanging out of my sack. And it was like a hole the size of like, a big ping pong ball.

• 53:17Matt Farah?

  I've already heard this once before, it doesn't get better.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  You're eating shrimp cocktail right now.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Dude, and...

• 53:24Speaker 03

  And so, I'm looking at it, I'm like, "Oh my gosh." And I still have my gloves on, still have my helmet on. And I like, turn around with my pants off, and I'm now looking at the driver and like, the corner workers. I'm like, "Guys, what do I do?" And they're like, "Oh my gosh, you gotta put it back in." Yeah, there is no flag for that. The meatball flag means something else.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, I look at them, like, "I don't know what to do." And they're like, "You gotta put it back in." And I was like, "I don't, I don't know how to do that, I have gloves on, I don't know what to do, I have my helmet on." And they were like, "You just gotta put it back in and close it." And I was like, "Okay." So I threw my gloves off, and I like, pushed it back in, and then pinched the hole together, and then...

• 54:00Matt Farah?

  And then drove himself to the hospital.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  Well, the EMS guy showed up, and he was like, "Hey, is everything okay?" And I looked down, he's like, "Oh, no." And then, we get into the EMS truck, and I'm like, "Man, are you guys gonna fix it, what's going on here?" Like, "Oh, we can't do anything, we could drive you to the hospital though." And I was like, "Okay, um, let's go." And then, he says, "Oh, we gotta drop this guy off, and we need your wallet, we gotta find out who you are." I was like, "Okay." So, we park up right at the garages, and he's like, "Okay, go grab your wallet." And I was like, "Really?" Like, I'm holding my nuts together, and like, I'm bleeding everywhere. He was like, "Yeah, you're right, I could probably go get it." I was like, "No, that's fine, let me see." So I stand up, and I had so much, I guess, shock and adrenaline, that I didn't even feel any pain. It was like, "Oh, the hole is closed, all good." So, I went over, grabbed my wallet, and while I'm walking back to him, I was like,

• 54:45Speaker 03

  "You know what, you guys can look at it, but I'm just gonna drive myself, it's five minutes away." I got my car here, I got a flight tonight at seven. So, drove myself, and I show up to the hospital, and... Never had faster service in my life. I'm writing my name down and then immediately the nurse that comes out is like, "Hey, are you okay?" And then, "Oh my gosh!" Runs away, gets three nurses with like a wheelchair and then sitting down before Mateo was written. Um, and then I get into this room.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  There's a lesson in this. If you want good service at a hospital.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  You rip your nuts in half. That's what you do. Um, yeah, and then I, uh, I went into this hospital room.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Twelve doctors, sixteen nurses, an entire grad program.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Forty people. It was wall to wall. I couldn't see a single wall. It was just faces.

• 55:25Matt Farah?

  Guys, is the stadium room open?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  The call went out over the radio. You gotta see this.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  We got a code. You won't believe this. We got a code. You won't believe this.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  Codehouse.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Long story short, they stitch you up and all as well, other than you tested two days later.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, uh, I ended up not going on the flight that night. They said I wasn't gonna make it, so I get eleven stitches. That hurt a lot. Um, that was the most painful part of the whole thing. Cause they didn't, they didn't put me asleep. They gave me oxy something, but apparently not the good oxy. Um, and.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  You need to get the good.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  You need the lidocaine.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  I said, "When can I ask for morphine after like stitch five?" And he's like, "Oh, you could have asked at the start." I was like, "My gosh."

• 56:07Speaker 02

  The medical care you had, I mean, they got you in there quick, but like the EMS people are like, "Yeah, hold your arm in place. Go grab your own wallet."

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Where was this? Barber?

• 56:14Speaker 03

  No, this was Homestead, Miami.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Oh, man, that's like, it's not Miami.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  It's not Miami. It's Boonies Miami.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Homestead, Miami ain't Miami. Um. So, he was driving when he was talking about getting in and out of the car. I mean, pretty extensive care, um, in terms of.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  That was seven days earlier. And so the seat for practice was amazing. Zach and I use the same little cushion seat. Uh, but then for the race, I get there a little bit earlier than they do since I start the race and we're looking for the seat and it's not there.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Um, and so Zach had put it behind his helmet because like, of course, it's his, it's his thing.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Well, there's, there's like four cars.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Right. And like, we don't want someone else to take them.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Exactly. And there's lots of foam inserts. I was like, "Let's keep these for us." But I didn't tell you.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, that was all my bad though. Um, and so I'm at the car and I'm like, "Man, where's the, like, it's, it's empty down there. I'm not gonna be able to see." And they're like, "Okay, let's grab a thing." Uh, cushion. And so we, we, we had Dylan, I think it was, grab two cushions and they were rather, rather small cushions. And the other one was the exact same thickness and it was big, it was filled out the whole seat. These two were like back pads that we'd put on the bottom of the seat. So the seat belt was like going through the hole in the seat and then the, the butt pads had like two inches of where they're actually lifting my butt up and then it was just like a flat hole.

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  And that flat hole No. had like a lot of leeway and so whenever I hit the brakes, I'd slap onto the front and then whenever I hit a bump, I'd slap onto both. It was a painful. Oh, sorry. Dude, the kink was not easy and so.

• 57:44Matt Farah?

  Well, it was, it could be a kink at this point with these fucking, getting your fucking nuts slapped in the back of the seat.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  So that's why I ended up not using a whole lot of the kink and we're looking at video that night. I was like, so we want to use this much? And Zach was like, why aren't you using it? I was like, it hurt a lot. I didn't want to, but.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  He was altering his line for rumble strips and support for comfort.

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's all, stay off the rumble. Really? They're fine? I don't know. It depends.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  I was just impressed. You were so unbothered. Like the text thread is like, hey guys, you know, here's a video by the way of what the balls look like. But no, we're gonna test. We'll be at the race. Yeah. It's all good. It's all good.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  I mean, we were fast. Like everybody drove amazing that weekend. Like if we didn't have a very unlucky situations with the car, I think we walk away with, you know, second place, maybe. Maybe we fight for first in day two because the Grace, uh, Ginger Racing Car, they had some big problems. They were out, uh, they were out of the race for three reasons.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  They won on day one, not finished day two?

• 58:37Speaker 03

  They finished on the podium.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, they did?

• 58:40Speaker 03

  But not, I don't think they won. That's why I think TC Clan won.

• 58:43Matt Farah?

  Very, very fast.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Very fast.

• 58:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 03

  According to them, they had less horsepower than us, but then I saw them on the straightaway and

• 58:48Matt Farah?

  Uh, no.

• 58:49Speaker 03

  With more aero, they were still pulling.

• 58:51Matt Farah?

  That car was pulling on the straightaway on me. Uh, yeah, horse shit. I mean, maybe they, I don't know. Maybe their car was way lighter than ours and, or something, but like.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  According to.

• 59:01Matt Farah?

  This is a very fast E46 with like full aero.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  Yep. It was a fastie.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:06Speaker 03

  And they were.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  And they, they drove well too.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  They drove really well.

• 59:09Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, no. I mean, no disrespect.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Well, like, I don't, I don't believe, I don't believe that that car.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  We're making it up all up in the corners.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  Make it up a bit in the straights, too.

• 59:19Matt Farah?

  The world's most suspiciously quiet Corvette, yes, was making it up in the corners.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:25Matt Farah?

  But, uh...

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Still sounded really good, that Corvette.

• 59:27Matt Farah?

  It sounded, it sounded okay. I thought they...

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Compared to everything else there.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  Could've been louder.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  True.

• 59:32Matt Farah?

  They, they told me that they took the cats off it, but then they have this like, this like center exit exhaust thing. And I was like, you probably just like leave the cats, I mean, you're running two-thirds throttle, like why even bother taking the cats off it? It seems like that could like cause more problems than it, than it would solve.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  Cause you're, you don't need more power. I don't know.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Well, I think they also said they were limiting the timing, so I wonder if that would send a bunch of fuel to the cat? And eventually foul it up or something and then explode.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  They're, they probably know what they're doing.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. Bunch of GM guys.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Matt Farah?

  It was a very quiet race.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  It was, it was weird.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  It was probably like really pleasant.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Matt Farah?

  Wasn't there a diesel? I think there was a BMW 335 D sedan.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  He had the, the D badge, but I was like, is this a diesel? And he started laughing, he's like, everybody, Indian accent, but I forget what it was. He's like, everybody asked that, it's definitely not a diesel, but I just put it on there cause it fucks with everybody. It was like, it was a fast 335.

• 1:00:25Matt Farah?

  And it had a really loud and unique kinda sounding exhaust. And I was like, doesn't quite sound like a diesel, but it also doesn't quite sound like a normal BMW. So I was like, well, maybe, I don't know. I wasn't really paying that close of attention. I just thought it was interesting.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was fast on the straights, but it didn't have the big wing. That was an interesting choice, being out there and there were teams that had big power.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Take that wing off, vice versa.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh. Passed me like I was standing still.

• 1:00:51Matt Farah?

  All the power, so slow through the corners.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  He got 160 on the straight.

• 1:00:55Matt Farah?

  Did he?

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  I believe it.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  That's faster than some of the GTO cars.

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I drove that E92 at Cota for the practice day.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Oh, a pawn ass.

• 1:01:04Matt Farah?

  I went like 15 miles an hour quicker on the straight than we went in our car, but it was also a real handful in the corners. Yeah, it was heavy and slidy.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, with no aero, that thing is a not easy to handle and it's, it's really hard to keep that thing in, in contention in the start of the race. I mean, they qualified super well. I don't know what was going on in qualifying. And then in race two, they ended up getting down to a 32 also, so I...

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  Did they really? Wow.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  They figured something out. But the uh, the thing I was really hoping for was coming out of turn three, I really wished they would have caught Ginger Racing and like been able to hold them up a little bit because then we would have been fighting for the lead at the start. But they um, they went for the smart choice on the brakes in turn five and then right after that it was not easy for them.

• 1:01:49Matt Farah?

  We got hosed a couple of times in that first race by uh, yellow, full course yellows that bunched up the field after we had made a pretty solid gap on everyone behind us.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I did a lot of, when I was looking at my stuff, I was like, you know, the number of laps I did versus the time, but I realized I had did a lot of full course yellow laps.

• 1:02:05Matt Farah?

  Zach also had a real pants shitting moment where he was the fucking car behind the pace car in the entire field. The entire field had bunched up behind him and I was like, oh, he's gonna have fun with this.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  The rear view mirror gets, or the rear view camera gets very busy. And then, you know, a lot of cars just passing on the right.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  How was that yellow flag restart?

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  How was the yellow flag restart?

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, I'm sitting there going, I should have read the rule book four times. And then the two cars in front of me go, but the radio, you know, they're still saying, hold on for a second. But then there's like the, you know, you're allowed to drive 80% pace, you know, in the, in the full yellow. It's like, well, which car is 80%? Are we judging this? Cars are passing the other and everyone just takes off down the straight and I'm full. And then I, but I knew where, where I was and what was coming, so I just stayed left and I watched, you know, AMG GT go by on the right, three Supras go by on the right, all the GTO class cars just haul ass and just carry through turn one and they're gone. And just try not to touch anybody because everything, that was a big thing, everything around me is expensive.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Yup, very.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  I was just really aware of where my edges were. It was fun. I love the traffic, it's exciting.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  It's intimidating, but it's also.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  It's the best.

• 1:03:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, it fucking keeps you right on your toes. You know, especially not being, you know, it's, it's fun to be in a fast car and weave through slow cars, but it's also interesting to be trying to go fast in a slow car and have people like just humming by you.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  People passing in the kink after the driver's meeting is like, don't pass in the kink.

• 1:03:36Matt Farah?

  I also saw everybody cutting across the front straight into the pit lane. Exiting fucking.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:43Matt Farah?

  Don't cut across and cut back. Like 95% of people did that exact thing.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:03:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, and track limits, Tommy, found a new way through 14. Very nice.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Unlike, unlike Cota, they were, there was no mention of track limits and so.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  We didn't even get a warning.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  I used more curb than I've ever used in turn 14 and this car did, really didn't like to, to go in too deep in turn. So you had to turn it, the, the, it was kind of predetermined where the car wanted to turn.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  And so you either needed to wait a long time or balance throttle to get around it, or turn it and go back to throttle and then left side's barely on the pavement, everything else through the grass.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  And I just kept doing a little bit more. I kept waiting for the call on the radio.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Never seen it.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Hellcat line, too. Here we go. Yeah.

• 1:04:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I did the, I did the same thing. I mean, God, you know, Sunday, the only, we're not racing. The only thing that saved my mental state was God bless the Honda Grom. Honda Grom is the most wonderful invention in the history of track side inventions, especially at a place like Road America. It's huge. And so I rode that goddamn thing around all, all day long.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:04:50Matt Farah?

  And I, I watched the race from a variety of different angles and stuff. And I realized that my line through turn seven is a big old cut compared to what everybody else. You know, there's like the curb.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  And then that concrete.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  My right tires are like to the right of that concrete, of that light concrete. And everybody else isn't even getting on the curb. And I didn't realize that until I got out of the car. I thought that was just the way. But no, apparently it's not. Apparently that's a big cut that no one really cared about doing, but fun times to find the line.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Whatever works, whatever works.

• 1:05:23Matt Farah?

  Didn't make me as fast as you, but we were, we're, we're, we're working there. We're trying.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  I mean, close.

• 1:05:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  So, and.

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  Not embarrassing.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Road America, it's four miles. Generally the gap is close to double. Like, so if you cut that in half on a two mile, you know, a normal track, it's.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  It's such a long place and like every little thing has such a exaggerated consequence as a result of it.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yep.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  That's what's, uh, I haven't been to Road America since, I think it was 12 was the last time I was there.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Oh wow.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  But it drives, it drives the same, you know?

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Um, and so, and it's amazing the difference that makes, just with muscle memory and the rhythm and so forth.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  But now there's so much more on the exit curbs.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  Well- You know what's with the planter blocks?

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, everything. The turn one is now like a parking lot out there. It's awesome.

• 1:06:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  No. And that, actually that, that, uh, I don't know what the stuff is that the grass grows through that's on the outside of the curb.

• 1:06:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they ca- what do they, they called it something and I liked- Grasscrete? They called it grasscrete.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:28Matt Farah?

  Which is not, it's not catchy. I liked lawncrete, cause it sounds more like concrete.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Uh- And it does have lawn growing through.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  We ultimately settled on calling it the planter box. Um, it, it's essentially-

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  It's that, right there.

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Typical traffic.

• 1:06:43Matt Farah?

  It's that, the traffic ones. It, uh, it's called fucking grasscrete. That's the br- oh, it's a brand? Oh shit, it really is. It's like, imagine you turn cinder blocks on their side, so the holes are facing up-

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:55Matt Farah?

  And then plant grass in them. And so you've got a surface that's like 50% concrete and 50% grass. And the idea is it's got half the grip. So, it's, you have the vibrating curb and then on the outside of that, like, yeah, you can use it, and it, you're not gonna, you know, get caught in the grass and get sucked into the wall, but you also don't have full grip there.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:18Matt Farah?

  Um, interesting stuff.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  You can use it.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  You can use it. I've, like, the kink is where it came into play, and I've been in the grass, in the kink, at speed and not crashed, and so-

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  Very good.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  That is a serious pucker moment.

• 1:07:34Matt Farah?

  That's the scariest.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Uh, you don't wanna do that.

• 1:07:37Matt Farah?

  You're so close to the wall.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  And, uh, but so this, it took me a while to, to have confidence, I only did it a few times, but, you know, to pick up the throttle earlier, carry more speed, knowing that you have that extra margin on the outside. Now, because it's only half grip, you use, you use the ground up twice as fast. So if you think, "Oh, I'm only going six inches over," you know you're going a foot over. My foot over, you're going two feet.

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  And, uh, and so that took some, some confidence, you know, cause again, at this point, there's, you know, there's no, there's no one scouting for a pro ride. And so the risk reward, yeah, just don't, don't crash the car.

• 1:08:13Matt Farah?

  I didn't have the balls to use it there. I used it on the exit of 14 out of the front straight.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot, yeah.

• 1:08:18Matt Farah?

  A deep, deep into it.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Every time. It was super wide.

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:08:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was like luxury, luxury corner exit, but like without, you know, Tato to say, this car is capable of doing this and this and this. There's no way I would have not used brakes at all before the kink, right? No way. I would have just come up with that.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:38Matt Farah?

  There's no way I would go flat up over, um, what are you fucking called?

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Billy Mitchell.

• 1:08:43Matt Farah?

  Billy Mitchell, no way. And there's no way I would have done at least one other thing without him going, oh, no, you could do this.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Using all that, using all the extra road.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 1:08:54Matt Farah?

  Thanks, buddy.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, man.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  Well, it helps kind of, that's the, that's the idea with like all the Pro-Am series, like in Super Trofeo 2, the whole point of, um, even if you're like a younger pro in a pro-pro pairing, you want to get that experienced pro driver to show you, hey, this is what you're capable of and this is what this car is capable of.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Um, and that's, it's really nice to be kind of, uh, on a bigger team that you have so many different pro drivers, like we have three right now on TR3. Uh, we have Dennis Lind, who is a, you know, super experienced DXD driver from, uh, the WC, uh, Elias Dillatory, who's, I think, third year in Super Trofeo. Also single make, uh, Carrera Cup, I think he did a year and a half. Um, so he's really experienced than me. Uh, so we all get to see like, hey, this is what's possible here, this is what's possible here. And then if someone has like a, an incident, this is what's not possible here. You find out without doing it yourself.

• 1:09:44Matt Farah?

  Someone has an incident.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  It's human nature, whether you're snow skiing, you see it in extreme sports, until Travis Petronas did the backflip, it was not possible.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:09:55Matt Farah?

  She's on right, like, under two hour fucking marathon last weekend.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:09:59Matt Farah?

  The guy did a 159 something marathon.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  You just fall over and die right after?

• 1:10:05Matt Farah?

  159 30.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  What is the average, what does that work out to a mile? Average, it's astonishing.

• 1:10:11Matt Farah?

  It's insane.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  What's twenty-four miles?

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Twenty-six miles.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Twenty-six miles.

• 1:10:14Matt Farah?

  Twenty-six point two, I think.

• 1:10:16Speaker 03

  It's like seven minutes a mile.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Thirteen miles an hour.

• 1:10:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  That's a fast clip.

• 1:10:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. And then I just saw a video of like a nine-year-old kid landing three nine-hundreds in a row on a skateboard. And it took, you know, Tony Hawk.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:31Matt Farah?

  Twenty years to figure out how to do that.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:33Matt Farah?

  Crazy.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  So I was running four-minute thirty-five-second miles.

• 1:10:37Matt Farah?

  Four, wow.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  For twenty-five, twenty-six miles?

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  And there, you know, and there was a time, what, eighty years ago, like the four-minute mile was thought to be impossible. You had to sprint and do it once, but like, all the sports progress because, especially like the younger people see what the older people do, especially with extreme sports. And they're like, oh, I want to try that. And now you've got, I saw a great video of Tony Hawk skating with like a fifteen-year-old. And he, and Tony Hawk says, how long did it take you to learn the nine-hundred? And the fifteen-year-old's like, two hours? And Tony's like, it took me like ten years. But he had to figure it out and show that it was possible. And then, you know, you get a kid who has no fear of dying and is super fast and mobile, and they just go for it. What were you gonna say before?

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  No, I mean, that's, that's kind of how human nature works, you know? But like, on the, the physical and the mental, like, that's a pure physical. And that's not pure physical, I mean, that's a huge physical barrier. I was gonna say, for those race fans, if you remember Bob Varsha, who's an announcer. Bob Varsha was a collegiate marathoner. I want to say Bob Varsha has run a, like a two-twenty marathon.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  Seriously?

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, Bob Varsha back in the day.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  No way, wow.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  With all that, with all that.

• 1:11:48Matt Farah?

  Go Bob Varsha. Little random trivia. He probably put it up, you know what I mean?

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:53Matt Farah?

  That's amazing.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  I was really grateful to have you guys, you know, I mean, Tato, we did two sessions of SIM, which was essential. Like I, you know, I would have been far more lost than Matt because I haven't been to Road America in ten years.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  So that was like the theory of where I could break and stuff, and just trying to get it right was enough. But then, I feel like I learned a lot here, kind of having the faith to have, let the car do what you said it could do. You all guys, you all said, do this speed through here and this speed through here. And like, I was letting the car move and kind of bounce over stuff more than I ever have, but knowing that it's just gonna keep the trajectory it's on. And that was a huge educational experience.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  If you'd been turned loose on your own without SIMs or anything, you could have spent probably... A couple of days driving and you would have figured some of it out, but some of it you wouldn't have figured out even in a couple of days.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Definitely, yeah, very true.

• 1:12:43Matt Farah?

  There's, there's stuff I wouldn't figure out ever. I, I was at Sonoma yesterday.

• 1:12:50Matt Farah?

  On the Nismo Z launch, the manual and I, and I can't talk about how it drives yet, but honestly, you can fucking guess. But they had some, you know, some, some instructors there and they were mainly doing lead follow and Nissan was kind enough to not force me into

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Lead follow.

• 1:13:07Matt Farah?

  The lead follow, but, but I did on the, on the warm-up lap, I, I did do a lead follow and the guy over four, up over the hill into the carousel. He went way to the left, whereas I traditionally had brought it back to the right to turn it downhill. And I had him like explain to me his, and, and after that I was like, oh shit, this guy is fucking right. And so now I'm, now I'm changed.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Into the carousel.

• 1:13:33Matt Farah?

  Into the carousel, tighter from the left instead of going, moving back to the right at the top of the hill and coming down. You get a better exit up the hill. I think. I think this guy was right.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean it's, you, you definitely don't want to arc it in.

• 1:13:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  You want to be in tight relatively soon. If you can get, if you can get back to the right and straighten it up, you could theoretically carry a little more speed over that unweight. Uh, but you, you want to be heading for the inside.

• 1:14:00Matt Farah?

  I think so.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Shortly after.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  It's like left middle. It's like the left third. It's not all the way left side.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  If you're carrying enough speed through the right, you're not going to be able to get all the way back.

• 1:14:09Matt Farah?

  That's what he was saying and I was like, I think I put too much emphasis on getting back right to the detriment of the pace.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  If that was a 90 degree corner, you would want to do that. Because it's a 180, no matter what you do on the entry, it gets cancelled out by halfway around the corner.

• 1:14:25Matt Farah?

  Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Neat stuff. Uh, should we go to the people? Do we have some things? We can talk to the people, of course. Patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. It's where you ask questions for the live show, watch the live show, get the show the same day it was recorded, get the show without ads, get access to, uh, Labs and things that we that we make here along with like partners and you get the satisfaction of supporting your favorite car podcast.

• 1:14:55Matt Farah?

  Let's keep it mainly to things that are racing related and bullshit car advice stuff can stay for the next show. Ted Theo Logan says favorite corner at Road America. Do you have a favorite corner?

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  You know, I mean the carousel kink is is a great combo. But the challenge of being quicker than everybody getting into turn five. I love psyching yourself up and because there's the road bends a little bit as you approach. There's a crown to the road. There's a bunch of little nuance to that corner that I think is it's a lot more complicated than just going to this point. So I love, I love turn five.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Like Road Atlanta also has a downhill braking into a 90 degree left hand corner. But it's not nearly as interesting as the one at Road America.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  I like, I like the really hard brake zones, you know, if you get so that's something that Road America has several of. You know, turn Canada corner is also that way. And also not, you know, it's, it's just, it's a flow track. It's got really hard braking. But you know, if you're not careful and you're so focused on braking, you can overslow in a lot of places. So there's just so much flow to it. I mean, the whole place is awesome. But my, if I had to pick my favorite, I'd, I love racing people into turn five.

• 1:16:11Matt Farah?

  Tato, do you have a favorite corner?

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  For sure, Canada corner. Like it's just all about floating speed and the more you can keep it smooth and the faster you can get back to the throttle, the happier the car is going to be. And it's interesting because that the, there was a baby wreck at turn, turn Canada corner on lap one. And so it kind of made that whole left side of the, the exit curb just unusable because there was debris on it the whole time.

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  There was a bunch of trash over there.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was some guy's car.

• 1:16:43Matt Farah?

  Yes, I know.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  So yeah, it kind of limited us to not using all of it, but with this car, the BMW, it was happy to not use all of it. Like you just want to use a little bit of it. The more you use, the worse the exit is. But with the Lambo, it's completely opposite. If you don't use all of it, you are just completely overslow through the entire corner. And then Billy Mitchell Bend becomes an interesting lifting and turning because in a Lambo, you really have to use the brake there. Otherwise, you're just going to fly away.

• 1:17:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  It's a scary one.

• 1:17:11Matt Farah?

  In the BMW, you can send the exit of that corner extremely wide.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  And it's quite luxurious even.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Queer shift in gears. At the Mid-Ohio Lemons race, my teammate blew our transmission at the start of day two and got us stuck in fourth gear. Ended up running faster for all drivers. Any similar experiences where you improved in a weird situation?

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Well, it's funny. Like if you, sometimes if you, exactly that, or if you have to save fuel, or if you have to save brakes, you find out, again, you were probably, they were probably overslowing in a lot of places. And we dealt with this where, in practice, where if you're between gears, the lower gear always feels faster, but oftentimes it's, you're overslowing and it's holding you back on your exit. And so it's worth playing around. I told Matt explicitly, I said it will feel slower.

• 1:18:04Matt Farah?

  You were right.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  In some of these places.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  Both you and Tito were like, no, gear higher in Canada corner, gear higher in...

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  Turn eight was a scary one.

• 1:18:13Matt Farah?

  Gear higher in eight.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  It worked in the, it worked in the beginning of the race with the fresh tire, but then with the older tires, it would start to get looser on entry. And so for Tommy's, it was almost impossible to run in fourth gear. But you were in like kind of the mid-stages of where it started to feel.

• 1:18:26Matt Farah?

  I was in between where sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  And I was just tired of grading.

• 1:18:30Matt Farah?

  But it did, it did feel...

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  Slower.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  A thing like that is whenever you do a 24-hour race, I've always found that you learn certain bits about the track, running in the dark. And then when it gets light, it's so easy to go fast without pushing the car as hard.

• 1:18:46Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  You know, it's almost like your eyes are just confirming, you know, the seat tells you, if I clip this, there's a bump here, and I know I'm going to have six inches on the exit. And then your eyes are like, yep, six inches on the, you really learn.

• 1:18:59Matt Farah?

  It turns up all the other senses.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, neat. Just Jay, what would you point to as your proudest, most exhilarating on-track, single moment?

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  A ballsy, successful pass. Yes.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  You know, there's a pass that's been brought up recently in the 95 Road Atlanta Trans Am race. It was wet, it was drying out. I was quicker than the two fellows and Jamie Galas and I had to talk myself into it because the place it was going to happen was on the outside of the kink before turns 10A and 10B were in, offline in the wetter part of the track. And I just said, this is, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. As the race went on, I'm like, if it's going to happen, it's going to have to happen exactly there. And so I talked myself up to it and then I passed both of them on the outside in the wet. Amazing. Through the dip. And so that one was just massive pucker and in hindsight massively satisfying.

• 1:20:00Matt Farah?

  Tito?

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  I think that the send at the start of race two for Texas was pretty awesome. That was from 7th to 3rd and that was right behind the Ginger Racing guy. But I think the most exciting, exhilarating, proudest moment was winning the third race in a row in Italy. That was the first time I'd actually like by just pure pace beat this, the championship leader. He's been ahead of us all year and they like had the pace on us all year. And then we go into Indy and they get pretty unlucky in race one, car shuts off in race two, and then we go into world finals and they're like, oh, you know, the car's finally going to work. Let's see how you do with them. And then I passed the first driver and then we do the pit stop and then I have a single driver lineup, so I have a three second longer

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  pit stop. And they get right behind, or right back in front of me and then I come back out and I pass the second driver. And then I won by like, I think 15 seconds and that was really impressive for me.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  And this is Super Trofeo in Italy?

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  And he won three races in a row?

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  That was the third win in a row.

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  Oh, there, wow.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  He doubled Indy.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  Chasing them down. That's amazing.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  That's a pivotal moment in a career as a young driver because there's the thinking I can win and knowing I can win and the confidence boost that comes from knowing head to head, listen, I can handle this guy. And you're going to deal with that at each step along the way when you move up.

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  Exactly. I've found a new guy to be chasing.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Yes, you've got some new guys to chase.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  It's the same number and the exact same car.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  But it's now a new pro in the car and he has won, I think, six Pro Pro Championships, three World Finals titles. He is one of the best Super Jafao drivers to ever do it. And, you know, it's, I think the bar is perfectly set because right now we're sitting fourth in the championship. But if we can find out how to beat this guy, all the eyes are, they're looking that way. You know, it's the exact competition we need.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, Danny from off, for those of you guys following along. So, you're going to school every time you're behind him.

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  And saying, oh, wow, okay, and so.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  He's doing this a little bit here.

• 1:22:02Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Good for you. That's exciting. That's fun.

• 1:22:04Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:22:05Matt Farah?

  My most exciting moment is not that exciting. But using your line at Cota to pass like multiple people on multiple occasions when nobody else seemed to know to put their car there. It was incredibly helpful, a bit of race craft that resulted in like multiple planned passes.

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 1:22:25Matt Farah?

  Like when someone like me like sets up planned passes that worked, work out the way that I envisioned them, like that's like, oh shit, that actually worked. Like wow.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Real life chess.

• 1:22:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was, that could have been it, yeah. Don't break for the kink says, if you have the opportunity to take any road legal car around Road America for the afternoon, what would it be?

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  T50.

• 1:22:48Matt Farah?

  Ooh, T50?

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Matt Farah?

  Good choice.

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  Hard to beat that. Hard to beat that.

• 1:22:53Matt Farah?

  I mean, a ZR1 would be pretty, you know, pretty extraordinary in that regard.

• 1:23:00Speaker 03

  I think I'd shit my pants in a ZR1 at Road America.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  I think it's so fast, I'd shit my pants.

• 1:23:04Matt Farah?

  You'd be going like 160 every straightaway.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  I think.

• 1:23:07Matt Farah?

  If not more.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think I'd want to do probably the Z06, the new one. The one, the Z51 track package.

• 1:23:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:17Speaker 03

  I heard that it's just like the Super Jafao and if it's anywhere close, calm down.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  That's a good call too.

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Ferrari sounds, but more of that dynamics.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:23:29Matt Farah?

  Johnny EV Gerberman says, Tato and Tommy, is it ever faster to go throttle, brake, throttle, brake through bus stops or chicanes rather than doing the coast? On the sim, I feel like the more I master coasting, the faster I get, but it seems counterintuitive.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  I think what you're dealing with here, this is eye work. This is, you know, his eyes aren't moving and so if your eyes aren't moving ahead and looking through it, you're gonna wanna brake until you move your eyes. And so if you get your eyes going through there, I mean, there's no absolutes. Depending, you could theoretically have a bus stop that was designed where it was fast enough through the middle that you would have to dab the brakes for the second part. But the ones that I know of generally, you're rolling so much through, it's basically like one long corner. It's not a chicane and a straight and a chicane, usually.

• 1:24:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, with the sim especially, I think that the brake, throttle brake, throttle brake, and the kind of coasting happens both ways. You know, like for Watkins Glen at the bus stop, you do need a big brake, then you lift, and then sometimes I even do a second little brake just to tuck that nose after that first jump, and then it's straight back to throttle. But then for tracks like Cota, I was barely touching, you know, any type of brake or any type of gas going through the S's. But the thing is, it's just trying to keep that minimum speed up. Like, it's all about carrying momentum through those corners and not trying to make any momentum. It's just surviving with that speed you brought in and surviving with it all the way out.

• 1:25:00Speaker 01

  Sounds like he's answered his own question.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  The more he gets comfortable with it, the faster he gets.

• 1:25:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Matt Ferris, Million Mile Lagonda. If you could try every race car from a certain series of any era, which would you choose and which would you be the most excited to try? Well, I mean, those are probably the same thing.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  With guaranteed safety,

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  I would drive, you know, the Sunoco 91730 maybe, you know, the Can-Am cars.

• 1:25:29Matt Farah?

  Can-Am cars. I would try all the Group B cars if I could have an open area to not hit any trees and die.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Big open stage rally, open desert type stuff.

• 1:25:38Matt Farah?

  Was I blocking that camera? I would've been shuffling right.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  What was that, DTM Mercedes? It was a...

• 1:25:43Matt Farah?

  Like the 190s?

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  Yes, that car.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's funny. I rode in the most extreme, the later generation DTM Mercedes. And they're awesome, but they don't have a lot of power.

• 1:25:56Matt Farah?

  Well, the 190 Evo 2s are like, slow.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:58Matt Farah?

  Like, they're actually, they're great chassis and stuff, but like, they're like 225 horsepower.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Which is why they attack the curbs, the way you see those old videos of Klaus Ludwig and Bernd Snyder, just, you know, just eating as much curb as they can, sparks flying, so. Uh, yeah, Group B, GTP, the era I drove, I'm really stoked that I got to drive that era car. Uh, I mean, F1 stuff also. Safety, though, with any of the old stuff is just, it's so sketchy.

• 1:26:26Matt Farah?

  Dude, Pat Long talks to me about the vintage F1 races he drives, and he says they're so dangerous. Like, he can't believe how shady the cars are.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they just had the historic Monaco, and Adrian Fernandez is driving, and the Euros, when they vintage race, you see it at Goodwood, they go, they go hard. Lacy had a huge crash at Monaco Historic, so, yeah, that's, I mean.

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  Those guys are tearing ass at Goodwood, man.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're rolling the dice. So, but, I mean, hey, if you're scared, get a dog, as they say, right?

• 1:27:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't know if we have an answer to this one, but Tommy commentates on F1. So, recently, Italy has launched a tax evasion investigation against the entire 2020 to 2024 F1 series for tax evasion. Is people who have raced internationally, is this a case of F1 teams dodging taxes intentionally, or Italy having tax laws to apply to foreign workers? Do you have any idea about this?

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  I haven't seen any of it. I mean, I'm guessing the argument is similar.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  F1 drivers.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Oh, see, okay, this is what they do in the major leagues now, where states, all the athletes live in, you know, Florida in the offseason, in Nevada, and so, I think Pennsylvania was the first one that says, "We want, if you play..." Two out of, you know, whatever, we want 5% of your salary withheld for our tax. So the pro ball players have to file tax returns in almost every state. And yet some guy's saying, "I'm gonna have a sore hammy that game," and you know. So I'm guessing this is what's going on there.

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  There's a great documentary that I think is called Broke. It's about athletes who make a huge amount of money and go broke very fast.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:13Matt Farah?

  And one of the stars of the documentary is an athlete who earned tons of money and went broke. And now he's a financial advisor for athletes. And he was talking about, "Yeah, you gotta be filing tax returns in every state you play in. Otherwise, like, a lot of these guys will get some crazy tax bill later."

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  In racing, there's a way around this. If they go after these guys, what'll happen is they'll break it into two contracts. And you'll have the contract for driving the race car, which will be significantly lower. And then the contract for doing personal appearances, or testing, or commercial shoots will be through the roof. So they'll adjust if they get too aggressive on that.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  Breaking Benjamin's Lab Record says, "Growing up, what were the race cars that really caught your eye?"

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  Oh, what a great shout, the Z32. That is such a pretty car.

• 1:29:08Matt Farah?

  The IMSA Z32, 300X, that was a very pretty car.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  That Clayton Cunningham, the twin turbo? Yeah, those were, I raced against those cars. Those were big, big cars. Those cars carried a lot of weight, had huge power. Clayton Cunningham designed water-cooled brake calipers.

• 1:29:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  They were water cooling the brake caliper in that car.

• 1:29:29Matt Farah?

  Was there actually like a water pump and a radiator? Holy shit, that's nuts.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Matt Farah?

  That seems like more trouble than it's worth, but a cool idea.

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:29:38Matt Farah?

  That is a pretty car.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  Look at the front.

• 1:29:40Matt Farah?

  Steve Millen, Johnny O'Connell.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:29:42Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Steve Millen, we love him.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Steve Millen and Johnny. I started racing in the Jim Russell series with Johnny O'Connell. We both went on to do stuff. We, so in 93, I ran the Mustang, Rousch Mustang against those cars and... Not on top. There you go. Nice, champion. Nice. UTS. So, but yeah, I mean, and I drove for Clayton Cunningham. The RX7 that I drove at the very start of my IMSA career was what Clayton got his start in before he took over the factory. I mean, that's, that whole era of car, you had the Roush Cougars, you had the Audis, the Mustangs. What else? There was, there was an F40 that John Lacy drove during that era.

• 1:30:21Matt Farah?

  The F40 race car was sick.

• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  You gotta say that not only does the Beretta not look like a Beretta. This does not look like a Mustang.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  This Mustang race car of yours from the 93.

• 1:30:31Matt Farah?

  The 80's Fox body was kinda dope.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, and then partway through this season, we developed a car that actually had a transaxle. It had a, it had a hybrid tube frame, but it had bonded carbon panels to the tube frame. To stiffen it up.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  And they even had a stiffener, because of my legs were so bent, they actually ran a carbon kinda rib under my legs that tied the bottom together.

• 1:30:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Make it extra stiff.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Very smart.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  Yes, so, that car.

• 1:31:00Matt Farah?

  Do love a.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  I don't know of anyone that knows where the whereabouts of that exact chassis is. That's on my list to try to run down.

• 1:31:06Matt Farah?

  That's, find Ed Bolian. Needs a challenge. That's where you. The C5R.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, C5R.

• 1:31:14Matt Farah?

  The C5R, the Dale Earnhardt car. Copyright car.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  I want a yellow Corvette, just because of the.

• 1:31:18Matt Farah?

  There was a guy back in the day, in my neighborhood in New York, that had a yellow C5 Z06 and did the full, the full livery. Amazing. Bless his heart. It wasn't as bad as it really, as it could have been. American hero. Two in the Ruby, one in the Star, says, "I heard that the 911 Cup cars are actually mid-engine for better performance, but they wanted to keep the 911 body versus using a Cayman body. Is it true they actually moved the engine position forward or they used GT4 architecture for the 911 race cars?" No, they moved the engine position. It's a different thing.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Well, but not in the cup cars.

• 1:31:54Matt Farah?

  The cup car is the same as a GT3 engine position?

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  I believe so. They had, they ran, they ran that one RSR in GTS where it was actually true mid-engine, where they flipped it. But I think all the ones now are back to...

• 1:32:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think they just moved the rear axle further back to get it more mid-engine, but it's not actually mid-engine. It's rear-engine.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, it's not GT4 architecture, although the next, I've been told the next 911 GT4, you know, the GT4 car is a 911 now, the new one. It's not gonna be a Cayman. It's gonna be a 911 GT4. With a narrower body and a smaller wing and stuff like that. Yeah, cuz they don't have a, they've discontinued the gas Cayman for the time being.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:32:43Matt Farah?

  I think we've, we've covered that one. You, uh, you had me at Halotus. That's very good. What would everyone's pick be for the best spec racing series to pursue? You guys have both raced in spec races and I've not raced in any, so...

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  You've raced in spec Boxster.

• 1:32:59Speaker 03

  And spec Miata.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  And spec Miata.

• 1:33:01Matt Farah?

  And super Trofeo.

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  And spec super Trofeo.

• 1:33:03Speaker 01

  I'm a big fan of, you know, of spec Miata as an entry-level way to get as much seat time and as many reps for as cost-effectively as possible. Spec Boxster looks good, but there's something about the sheer numbers of spec Miata's where you can have big, big fields and so forth. I mean, super Trofeo is as sexy as it gets for one make. I mean, those things are...

• 1:33:26Matt Farah?

  And if you're like a dude that's our size, or a gal, or whatever, that's our size, Tommy, like, uh, spec E46 is a much more comfortable race car for a larger driver, and they're fun as shit to drive.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  They're very fun.

• 1:33:38Matt Farah?

  They're a good time.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  I mean, basically, you want even competition and cost per mile in terms of best. You know, if you're looking for thrill, then obviously Ferrari Challenge or, or...

• 1:33:50Matt Farah?

  Ferrari Challenge is great if you wanna hang a photo on your office wall. It's you in your red suit with your...

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Actually, I'll, I'll throw out, this'll, this'll make people mad, but IndyCar is a great spec series.

• 1:34:02Matt Farah?

  It is. We know it is. Yeah, they're, they're, they're the same...

• 1:34:06Speaker 03

  Have you ever heard of the ARCA series?

• 1:34:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, NASCAR.

• 1:34:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  A little bit of tangent, but it's getting a lot of talk. With the new F1 rules being such a dud, IndyCar's working on a new package. There's a lot of people saying, "Listen, scrap what you were working on and steal F1's thunder and do a ripping V10 with no hybrid." And just all the people that miss that.

• 1:34:31Matt Farah?

  Make it sound good.

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  This is what we do.

• 1:34:32Matt Farah?

  I'm going to the 500 this year.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:34:35Matt Farah?

  First time.

• 1:34:36Speaker 03

  That'll be super cool.

• 1:34:37Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:34:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:34:40Matt Farah?

  And, oh, by the way, I can't believe they haven't thought of this, Legends. Legends cars.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:44Matt Farah?

  You buy a brand-new Legends car, $25,000. It's some of the most competitive racing there is, as long as it's in your region.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  Have you driven one on a road course? I drove one on a short oval.

• 1:34:54Matt Farah?

  No, we just did. We drove it at 10 tenths. It fucking ripped, dude. It was wild. I was wiped at the end of my hour.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  Well, on the right-scale track, which it sounds like you were on, you know, motorcycle engine, fan in the gears, sequential gearbox would be a thrill.

• 1:35:12Matt Farah?

  Road America would be the wrong place. But Streets of Willow, 10 tenths, you know, a lot of these club-type tracks, thermal, are unbelievable in a car like that. It has, like, go-kart, one-to-one steering. That shit is mad twitchy. Great fun.

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  And NASA has a pretty good field with the E30 Spec Series.

• 1:35:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. Isn't there a new Spec E30 Series as well?

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  I'm not sure.

• 1:35:37Matt Farah?

  There's like a new E30 Series that just got started that has kind of like a catchy name. It seemed, I just read about it somewhere, it seemed cool. Did anything come up very rapidly when I?

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  NASA Spec E30s there.

• 1:35:52Matt Farah?

  It had a catchy name. Shit, if you know what I'm talking about, get in the comments. If not, Spec E30, yeah. Those are genuine, we're general car advice, we'll save those for later. TK, Tato, thank you.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:36:07Matt Farah?

  You podiumed last weekend at fucking Laguna in Super Trofeo, so congratulations.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  Thank you. We had a little bit of unlucky misfortune there at Race 2, but...

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  What is a, what is a, what's a fast lap in a Super Trofeo at Laguna?

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  So the fastest lap I was able to get down to was a 24, uh, 3.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  Um, our teammate Dennis Lind, who's just, first time ever at Laguna Seca, 22, 8, I think.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  First time ever there?

• 1:36:32Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. First time ever there. Lap record for Super Trofeo.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:36:36Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  He's a quick study.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:36:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's real good.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  22, 8, that's what Zinger did with the 21C, full down first.

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  That is unbelievable. Do they have fans attached to that car?

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  Not, no fans, um, but, uh, tri-motor, hybrid.

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, unbelievable.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  1300 horsepower and a lot of, a lot of wang. Big wang.

• 1:36:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, we got minimal aero.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, that's, I mean, to be running that kind of number in a, in a rear-wheel-drive Lamborghini, albeit on slicks, is fucking. Which is faster than, what, what was the GTD?

• 1:37:03Speaker 03

  So the GTDs are running 19s.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  Oh, they are?

• 1:37:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. The, the real good ones are. I mean, in testing, Dennis was faster than all of the other GT, uh, GTD cars there.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  That's.

• 1:37:14Speaker 03

  And in testing, I actually passed the, uh, uh, what was the black and yellow? Uh, it's the, not slapping the thing, uh, it's the Corvette, it's not, it's the privateer Corvette.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  Oh, DX, is it DX?

• 1:37:24Speaker 03

  Not DXD, they were pink and green this weekend. But I passed that guy going into the, uh, corkscrew. Amazing.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:37:31Speaker 03

  That was so cool.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Sick. It was a blast, dude. Well, it was fun. I was up there as part of the rooting contingent for Super Trofeo. It's, it's a fun, you know, Sergio rented this big Airbnb.

• 1:37:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  It's like six or seven bedrooms and so the, the camaraderie, which was what was so fun about going to Road America. Hanging out in the same house with everyone and the dinners and the stories and so forth and so on. So, uh, and everyone from Mateo's grandmother.

• 1:37:56Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Uh, Myrta, who, and if you see the butterflies on his suit.

• 1:37:59Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  She is a, I think a four-time cancer, five-time cancer survivor. So the butterflies are team butterfly for Myrta, that's on Mateo's suit. And so you've got, uh, all these generations that are coming out to root on, root on the boy. Yeah, amazing.

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, it takes a village, man. And sponsorship is still open. If anybody would like to jump on board, we, we're a family here. We'd love to welcome you.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  Uh, Tato, thank you very much for coming down.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  Yup, thank you.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Uh, and, uh, to.

• 1:38:24Matt Farah?

  TK, of course, thank you for joining us today. Let's do it again soon, huh?

• 1:38:28Speaker 03

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• 1:38:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, you know, you're a Notice driver, sponsored by Notice. Uh, how about that?

• 1:38:34Speaker 03

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• 1:38:35Matt Farah?

  Which one is that?

• 1:38:35Speaker 03

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• 1:38:37Matt Farah?

  Oh, the Sector Deep.

• 1:38:38Speaker 03

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• 1:38:41Matt Farah?

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• 1:38:41Speaker 03

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• 1:38:42Matt Farah?

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• 1:38:43Speaker 03

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• 1:38:44Matt Farah?

  You can't have you wearing someone else's fucking Notice watch. That's shameful in these parts. Uh, there are a few of those left out there. Um, we are going to be, uh, they didn't get totally wiped out by the Patreon, which is totally fine. So I think we've got like 25 of them that are gonna go to the public sale and I'll announce it when that's, uh, left. We're doing 100 of them.

• 1:39:04Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 1:39:05Matt Farah?

  So, uh, limited edition. Um, alright, that's our show. Thank you to our patrons for such good questions today. Thank you for, uh, Tato for braving traffic and, uh, and TK for coming down as well. And of course, uh, Sergio for fucking hooking it up and inviting Zach and I down and being part of the family. Um, and, uh, whoa, Charity Car Show.

• 1:39:26Speaker 03

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• 1:39:26Matt Farah?

  Charity Car Show.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:28Matt Farah?

  At the fucking Riff Raff Garage in Agora. It's gonna be on June 7th.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  It's at Barrett Automotive.

• 1:39:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's at Barrett, that's on the road.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  It's at Barrett, which shares space with Rick Roll's podcast studio, so, um, and it's benefiting autism. Some interesting classes that if you wanna enter, we've got best everyday driver.

• 1:39:48Speaker 03

  I'm entering that, I got my C5 in there.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  We've got supercar and Radwood, Radwood cars. Oh, yours is going in?

• 1:39:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:54Matt Farah?

  Uh, I will be there, uh, you'll be there, uh, others, other friends of ours will be there. I'll put the link, uh, in my Instagram. They just sent me the fucking invite this morning, so I'll put the, uh, I'll put the, the link in the Instagram. So if you're in LA on June 7th, come out and hang, uh, for a good cause. Thank you, everybody, we'll see you next time, goodbye.