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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What's up everybody, Matt Farrar here. Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by Off the Record. You love Off the Record just as much as I do, based on the number of emails I get from people who tell me that Off the Record absolutely took care of them when they got pulled over and accused of doing something bad in their car. That's right. If you get a ticket for anything, big or small, don't plead guilty, get Off the Record. They will connect you with a qualified attorney in that jurisdiction who will fight that ticket on your behalf, and most of the time, get it reduced. So you don't have points on your record, you don't have those problems with insurance premiums

• 0:39Matt Farah?

  going up, problems with your employment, etc., etc. Go to offtherecord.com/tst. That's offtherecord.com/tst to get 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record. One more time, offtherecord.com/tst. Alright folks, on this episode of the show, it's been a big week of driving for me, and I have driven two very cool Resto Mods, the Bora Motorworks Allen Man Escort, and Zach and I review the Evoludo 355. I've brought along a stock one to compare to. That actually takes up most of our show this week, and we've got a few questions from the patrons

• 1:24Matt Farah?

  that give us some good other things to ponder. But let's get this Resto Mod episode of the Smoking Tire Podcast going, right now. Excuse me, I speak jive. Uh, we live?

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that movie's so funny.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  Hello, everybody. I got, uh, I got duped in the hotel the other night on the fucking guide. Said airplane was on. Airplane was not on. But you know what is on? The volume on our television on the wall.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  No, it's not. I mean, yes, it is.

• 1:57Matt Farah?

  I mean, it was.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  But it's fixed.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, it was. I mean, by yes, I mean, by no, I mean, yes.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  When I hit, when I hit go live, it shows up on three different screens, and I have to like, close them and mute them each individually, so. Um, it said airplane was on the, on the TV, but it wasn't.

• 2:11Matt Farah?

  But it wasn't. It was some other movie that was not a comedy. I don't remember what it was, but I just, the guide disappointed me.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, yeah.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  Um, oh man, oh man, oh man. It's been, it's been a, it's been a couple of weeks. I mean, it's, it's been a week. My seven days. Monday was, uh, 355 Evoluto versus stock 355.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Austin, uh, my, uh, WCCS client and friend who brought his, uh, stock 355 out. Um, it wasn't quite stock. It had a fucking Capristo on it and frankly, that gets you a lot of the way there.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, but I'm writing about that for Road and Track. So Zach also drove the 355 Evoluto, but he didn't appear in the video. So we're gonna, we're gonna come back to that. That's gonna be sort of our main topic today because there's a lot of debate about, is it good? Is it not good? Uh, but, but, uh, some other items, uh, the next day, uh, uh, I go out to, to Willow Springs. To a little members day, a little members play day. It's one of those things. They bring out the fucking race cars and shit. It was the, uh, the day before, actually. It was Sunday, the F1 race.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:24Matt Farah?

  It was the F1 watch party. So they, they put up a, like a 20 foot screen in the chilling area outside the, in the street, at streets.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 3:33Matt Farah?

  So like, yeah. So there's like, you're in the paddock, jumping in and out of race cars, but the race is just like on the whole. It was pretty cool, actually.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 3:42Matt Farah?

  And I drove this Escort. So the, the comp, there's a company called Driven, D R V N. We've now know they're from Scotland. Um, and actually I have a very funny connection to the family that I, I randomly met the, uh, the, the guy, the main guy from Driven.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Mr. Driven.

• 4:02Matt Farah?

  Mr. Driven. When I was at, in Scotland on vacation with my family, I, I offhandedly mentioned that I'm randomly in Scotland and run into Mr. J W W, James Walker, who was with someone he describes as a business partner. Well, that's the guy. That's the guy who was, so this company, Driven, does, does the Evoluto.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  They're also doing this thing, which we have on the screen, which is called the Borum Motorworks. And Borum Motorworks is going to be doing a run of continuation series Fords. Now, unlike the Evoluto, which starts with a, you, you provide a 355 and they do their, their thing. These Borum cars are scratch-built cars. So, sort of like Revology. Okay, because we also had the go in Revology.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  So they build the unibody or whatever. Wow.

• 4:53Matt Farah?

  And under license. So, the, these Borum cars are, are actually licensed by Ford in the UK. And you can buy them. So that, that silver one in the first row on the Instagram there. So this is going to be the road-going version of, oh, I didn't realize that was a reel. I thought it was a static. But that's gonna be a road-going version. This is the track version. It's called the Allenman, uh, edition. Escort Allenman 88 Edition. So I got to drive it at the, at the old Members' Day. They were bringing them out. I figured this out. This is, so this is actually the shit. This is, this is a, I found a loophole into a back door into the system.

• 5:37Matt Farah?

  By singing for my supper, as it were, with this, with this company. Full, like, like, the, the Evoluto was at the Members' Track, like, if you were a member, you could drive it on the track.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right, the same parent company. They were like, drive the Escort, drive the Evoluto.

• 5:53Matt Farah?

  Things out for members to try and maybe buy. And by the way, a couple of did. So, it works. So, this, so they're, yeah, it's like a quail, but you drive shit. It's fucking crazy. So, I drove this Escort. It is, again, it's a scratch-built car. So it has, it, but, the road car is gonna be a, a, like you, like Revology, modern manufacturing applied to this very specific shape.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  You know, but just make a great car that looks like this and Ford says you're allowed to. Okay, that's not this. What I drove is the race car. This is designed to be an exact replica of this Mark I Escort that was a British, it's not a they got so mad at me, I kept calling it a rally car because us Americans only think of these as rally cars. This is a touring car.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  So I didn't make a video. If I did, I would have said it wrong 100 times, but I said it wrong to them a bunch and they were like, listen motherfucker.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Touring car, championship car.

• 7:02Matt Farah?

  So this thing weighs 1600 pounds and has, the front suspension architecture is apparently copied from the Ford GT40. It's, this is not exactly the same dimensions as the standard Escort. It's like one of those Holman Moody, like remember the Holman Moody NASCAR back in the day?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  Very famous story where they built like, they built it to like

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Seven eights or something.

• 7:35Matt Farah?

  Seven eights scale where it like looked right, but it was like smaller. This is that where it like, it looks right, but it's like different enough and it won the touring car championship and honestly, I don't care a lot about vintage touring cars. So the fact that I had never even heard of this dude Alan Mann, which maybe makes me a bad car fan, but like whatever. I looked at that and I went, can I drive that? Because it looks incredible. And they went, yes. And so I went out and the only thing that doesn't, is not period correct is the carbon bucket seats, which, I mean, the period seats would be like you, if you had a crash, you would probably fucking just die.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would come up to like the middle of your back or something like that, like no headrest. But this is very funny because the only padding on this carbon bucket is the headrest itself. The rest of it is shiny and black and hard.

• 8:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would probably order mine with a padding in it if I were to get some. So like I said, it's 1600 pounds at the curb, okay, and has a 208 horsepower.

• 8:34Matt Farah?

  In-house provided, it's a quote BRM style. So it's a, it's a, it's a sort of copy of, like you can't, you couldn't get the original engine that this raced with. So they've remade one that's as close as you can get. It revs to like 8,500 RPM. It's four speed, this one is right-hand drive. I think they're all right-hand drive as a matter of fact. Great notchy four speed. The clutch is, is grabby like a race cars. But once you're moving, you know, out of a standstill, it's, it's totally fine. Manual steering, manual brakes. Uh, and you just, you know, you hear and feel everything. I couldn't get out of this thing. This, this thing was so goddamn fun.

• 9:19Matt Farah?

  I took it out probably like four times.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 9:22Matt Farah?

  If it was there, I was like, can I go out in that again?

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Like 200 horsepower?

• 9:25Matt Farah?

  208 horsepower, 1,600 pounds, you know? And being on the right and Willow's, you know, streets of Willow is a clockwise corner. I'm on the inside of, of more, more corners and, and I'm pretty like, I'm actually pretty good at like, I can, I can drive 90% as fast as I could drive on the left, on the right. Pretty close, like I, I don't know if I'd want to enter a race, but like, I, they, they, you know, I guess, cause most people can't, they have a pro driver, shout out to Simon, who was fucking awesome. He was so cool, this guy, OG Ford guy. He's been with, was with Ford Performance and Racing forever. So he was like the driving coach. So he was like, you're gonna be okay? I was like, I think so.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  And after like half a lap, he was like, all right, let's fuck it. And we were just going and it was so fun to kick the shit out of this car. Um, now the, the bad thing. Folks taking a quick break today for FitBod. When you are working out, it is so easy to get into a rut and just do the same thing with your workout every day. Like before I got on my like proper fitness journey, I was working out. I was doing cardio like five days a week, but it wasn't until I added, uh, weight training and, and changing the workout each. Workout and changing weights, changing reps, changing the exercises I'm doing with a trainer has helped my body get in much, much better shape, helped me avoid boredom,

• 10:55Matt Farah?

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• 14:43Speaker 01

  What's the body made out of?

• 14:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, probably aluminum? What happened?

• 14:48Speaker 01

  No, keep going.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's not carbon.

• 14:54Matt Farah?

  It's, it's exact, I think it's all aluminum. Yeah, it's just, there's nothing in it. It's just, it's tiny and there's nothing in it. But, the way it takes curbs, you know, you can, when you go, uh, turns like five, six, seven, and those little S's in the back.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:10Matt Farah?

  You can just ride way up on the curbs and those, and it, it slides, uh, pretty good, uh, on the, on the entry, obviously. It's not quite enough power to just like smash the throttle and get oversteer. Like, so you really have to enter the bus stop super hot and you can do it. Um, but it doesn't really wanna just slide on the entrance to the front straight.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 15:35Matt Farah?

  It just doesn't have enough power for it.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Plus with like modern compound on the tires, it's got, you know, good grip.

• 15:38Matt Farah?

  You could probably set it up with different tires and alignment and stuff to, to make it slide Sure. like better. But as a, uh, as a vintage experience, like, it was not slow. Like, this thing, this thing kinda rips, like.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  I wonder if these will be permitted in something like Vara, you know, cause it's a new car.

• 15:54Matt Farah?

  They say, yes. They say it is.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 15:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Because it, because it's not, I mean.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Cause it's period correct.

• 16:00Matt Farah?

  It's a new build, but yeah, it's, it's, yeah. They say, and I also think, I think there is an open secret in vintage racing, which is that they're happy to get anybody into vintage racing. Even if it means the car is brand new and just looks like the old car.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 16:15Matt Farah?

  Like, I'm pretty, like, these, you know, people who go to Goodwood are like, yeah, like all the cars. All the cars are like the replica of the actual car.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  But Goodwood is a different price point than Vara, you know, like, when I've gone to the Vara races, it's like, that's where the, the 2002's are running and the, and the Alphas and stuff, and those can be expensive for most people, like, you know, forty to eighty grand, but not twenty million for the Ferraris.

• 16:38Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, sure. Yeah. I, uh, from what I understand, this is, will be eligible for like most vintage racing series, um, if that's what you wanted to do with it. I think if you actually wanted to go racing, this is probably too expensive.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, so, is it, are they building this because these are so beloved in the UK and there's just not many of them left anymore? Uh, like our friend, Efren, he's got one of these, but it's, it's a left-hand drive.

• 17:04Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Um, you know, race car, track car, but like, they're probably hard to find.

• 17:08Matt Farah?

  They're, they are kinda hard to find. But also, I mean, I'm actually gonna write for Road and Track this month. And my column just came out yesterday, by the way, about searching for the Budget Bentley, which is, I think, kind of a fun piece. I didn't, it came out better than I thought it would. But I'm writing next month about this and the Revology, both of which have found themselves in a position where recreations, replicas, I mean, straight up, like, they don't like to use the word, but like, that's what it is, are costing more than the real thing. You know, like, you talk about a GT40 or a Cobra. Like, the reason a replica exists is because the real, you know, 250 GTOs and blah, blah, blah.

• 17:53Matt Farah?

  Like, that's, that's why fucking replicas exist. Like, why would you replicate a car where the original would be less than the replica? So it's an interesting shift in the market where people seem to prefer it to, to, to, to drive maybe better or something, or they just, they don't, they want an old car, but don't want the, don't even like the idea of any of the problems that could be associated with an old car.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  I think that's exactly it. And when you have the money, as I said in the video, like, much of your life is about removing problems that you don't like that are removable. And so here you go, well, I love the way the GTO looks or the Mustang looks, but what I always hated about them is, can you fix this? And someone's gonna say yes, because someone needs a paycheck. And like, that just leads to where we are with Revology and all these other companies that are, are doing really, really high-quality work. And essentially going, alright, it's gonna look like the thing you love, but it's not going to have any of the issues, and it's gonna drive better, and it's gonna use, you know, modern engineering and understanding of suspension if we can move those pickup points a little bit or whatever. And then you end up with something that's great.

• 19:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, which does beg the question, has super performance been doing just that for many years? And yet, their products sell for 5%, 10% of the cost of an original car. Whereas this Escort, and, and, just pull up, pull up, not Cars and Bids, because it'll be too old, pull up Bat. And look, let's see what recent Mark I Ford Escort, like, would, would have, has got. Maybe we'll look at, maybe we'll look on racing junk or whatever. Let's see. Yeah, there was. There was a subcategory for Mark one. Yeah, here we go. What do we got?

• 19:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, dude. The go. Look at that one. The FIA tribute. Look at that.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  The second row.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Thirty seven thousand dollars.

• 19:59Matt Farah?

  That's a thirty seven. Pop that. Oh, bro. Look at the rate. How about the race car? I mean, what's the most expensive one on here? That race car? That one. That's sixty eight.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:11Matt Farah?

  And that looks sexy as hell. That's a no sale at fifty five, but it's not like this dude was gonna be holding out for five hundred.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Eight years ago.

• 20:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  So I wonder.

• 20:22Matt Farah?

  So let's go more recent.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  More recent.

• 20:24Matt Farah?

  Twenty twenty five.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Geez, twenty twenty.

• 20:27Matt Farah?

  Wow, the guy. So these don't sell very often.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I just think the United States didn't care as much because.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But in the US.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Looks cool.

• 20:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, this one is thirty thousand dollars, you know? And so that's if there's a point against, it's that this is this car, as amazing as it was to drive, and it was fucking amazing, is like many multiples of what it would cost to get.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:56Matt Farah?

  Dude, you could have Richard Tuttle build you one of these things for fucking probably half this money.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Well, I bet he'd charge four seventy, unless you brought him the shell and he just tuned it. But like, if you were having him build the body, I mean, it's.

• 21:08Matt Farah?

  Well, build a body from scratch.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:10Matt Farah?

  For sure. No, from scratch, yes. But I'm talking about the, you know, with let's revology, a great museum grade turnkey GT five hundred is probably what? Two fifty? Right? A regular one is a real sixty seven, probably.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 21:27Matt Farah?

  And revology is three eighty, right? So it's fifty percent more for a car that's like new replica drives better. But I think it's, I just think the math is is a lot more off on an Escort. Now, having said that, Boreum has.

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  This license that's going to extend, oh wow, we got, look at that, ex Carol Shelby 67 GT500.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Oh, this is for sale now?

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  It's up right now. Well, this, look, this one, this is not a good comp. Carol's personal car isn't what I was talking about.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  But it's the only comp we got up here. That's all, that's why I pulled it up. Everything else is like a replica, so this is it. So let's just say, if it was not Carol Shelby's car, it would sell for what it's at now. Maybe 210, 250.

• 22:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, 250, you know, if it's somehow otherwise interesting, or perfect, or whatever, 350. But I doubt it would go for much more than the actual Revology. Which is, you know, it's just a thing.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  It is a very interesting thing.

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  When you're talking about an Escort that is a 30,000 to 50,000, now, I bet this, no disrespect, I bet the replica Alan Mann Escorts, individually, however many they make, I think it's 25 or something they're doing, I bet the real fucking race car would probably sell for that. You know, or something thereabouts.

• 22:56Matt Farah?

  Or not, you know, or possibly more, but not like multiples more.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  There we go, this is RM Auctions.

• 23:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is the actual car. And what, what was the, what was the hammer price? That would actually be, I mean, it's awesome, it does look at 210, huh? Is this, when was this from?

• 23:20Matt Farah?

  No date on this fucking thing?

• 23:22Speaker 01

  Oh, sold for 200,000 pounds.

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  So there you go.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  And what year was this supposed to be?

• 23:30Matt Farah?

  Now, these folks, by the way, probably bought this. They said they owned the real car, and they laser scanned it too. They took it apart and laser scanned it to build this one, so... But, but again, that's the real one.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:43Matt Farah?

  The one, the only one real one. I under, I do, my concern with this type of thing is that it, it's, it runs a risk of being, being a Radford. Where like, they think this thing is a lot more well-known than it actually really is outside of their...

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Well, it depends on how many, if they have to sell 25, I, I would say, I hope there are 24 people in Britain who absolutely love touring cars at this time. And you got one person in the US who's heard of it, because that, that's what you're...

• 24:13Matt Farah?

  One guy at Willow Springs, I, I can't be sure if he had any idea who the fuck Alan Mann was. But he drove it and was, I didn't, I didn't watch him send a wire, but I'm 90% sure he's gonna buy it.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  I mean, that's the other thing, is you have people today that have so much money.

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  That they go, "Oh, $400,000 to have the fun fizz I just had? Sure."

• 24:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  And they just, because to them, that's 0.02%.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  And then later, they'll sell it for a loss of 200, maybe.

• 24:40Matt Farah?

  Well, what's very interesting, did, you know, did you hear the, and we'll circle back to the Evoluto here.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Well, before we go to that, this is actually, this whole Escort thing is a really interesting discussion, because I was on Tormenting Tarmac, that podcast you've been on with Jorge, shout out Jorge. But he said, he asked, "Do you think we have hit the end of, like, recreation nostalgia?"

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  No.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  And I, and I was like, "I don't think so, because all they're doing is doing exactly what we just talked about. They're finding a, a car from an era that people loved, and they'll just keep making it."

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  Oh baby, someone's doing an Audi TT.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Exactly. Wow, I didn't know that.

• 25:19Matt Farah?

  No, like, we, cars have become, even the supercars have become such digital things, that people are seeking the, the, not the car they actually had in, in high school or wanted in high school as it existed, but the version of it they've created in their mind. Like the way you might remember that ex-girlfriend in fucking high school that was like great in bed, but like a terrible human or whatever and like, what part are you thinking about 30 years later? Like, I want that. Why else would you be doing this to an Audi TT?

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they do it to, you know, movies, the reboots. It's like, hey, what if we made that movie with modern CGI? Especially if the movie previously was made with like early graphics and early computer-generated stuff.

• 26:07Matt Farah?

  And, uh, you know, so, so not everybody knows who the fuck Alan Mann is. Uh, or maybe they do and I'm just an idiot, but I don't think they do. I think it's a little niche. Having said that, they're doing a road car version of this Escort, which will be very cool. It'll have a normal clutch. Uh, it won't have the, uh, the race motor that's in this one. It will have a more modern powertrain that's designed to be like used a lot. And then the next car they're doing is a fucking RS200. Folks, one more quick break from the action because support is coming in from Delete Me. Friends, the number of people who have come up to me recently and asked me,

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• 29:39Matt Farah?

  an original is too expensive to buy and therefore a replica isn't. But there's also, they're doing it at 103% scale.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 29:52Matt Farah?

  So slightly bigger.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Hopefully for the pedal box.

• 29:55Matt Farah?

  It's also not going to have front drive. It's going to be a rear-drive car.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 30:01Matt Farah?

  And it is going to be built using modern manufacturing methods. It's not going to be a built like the original. So it's going to look like it. And then I said, "Oh, what engine are you going to use?" And I promised I would not say what they told me. But when they told me it, I went...

• 30:20Matt Farah?

  You're gonna kill people. That's what I said, and they were like, no, no, it'll be cool. And I was like, I think you might kill people. Like, that sounds fucking sketch. And he went, just wait to try it. I went, alright.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  So, moving the safety of all-wheel drive. Interesting. I wonder why they're doing that.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  Something weird has happened on Bring a Trailer. Why is, what happened there?

• 30:47Speaker 01

  What, where?

• 30:48Matt Farah?

  On, what's with Bring a Trailer, what's with those two listings that are the same and also different and?

• 30:54Speaker 01

  I don't know, they sold two weeks apart?

• 30:56Matt Farah?

  I don't know, it's fucking weird. I don't know. Anyway, I think a real, like, dude, wasn't Ken Block's RS200 like half a million bucks?

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Probably. It was also 700 horsepower, like, it was built, I sat in that car and it was one of the least comfortable cars I've ever sat in, I was shocked.

• 31:14Matt Farah?

  Well, that was why I asked, I said, you know, what are you gonna do about size? Cause like, a lot of people are sized out of that particular car and that was what they, what they told me. So, you know, like, dude, I 100% wanna try whatever the fuck they build. I mean, the rally car, or, excuse me, see, I just did it again. Touring car was, like, I realize it's insanely expensive and completely out of touch for 99.99% of people, but like, as a taste, fuck, was that a, that was a fizzy-ass taste.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  I think the question is, and one that they probably wouldn't want answered, is if you could do a compare-o, find someone that has a track-prepped, you know, track-prepped escort.

• 31:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. He sold it.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  His was pretty rad.

• 31:55Matt Farah?

  And he didn't get $470,000 for it either.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  His also wasn't period correct engine, I think, I think it was spicier.

• 32:01Matt Farah?

  Turbo Cosworth in it, fucking hydro handbrake.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Like, but if you had someone that just had a normal, kinda, period correct one, and you drove that next to this one, how much of the fizz do you get? You know, is it 80% or is it 92%?

• 32:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Cause, you know, race car feels like race car. If they get that shift linkage right and if everything else is period correct, they might get very close.

• 32:21Matt Farah?

  This felt like fucking race car, this thing. I mean, the clutch makes no mistake about it, but the lack, you know, the metallic rasp of all of it. Um, but I, and I, I wouldn't want to drive it on the street. It would be annoying on the street. Like it, if you bought that and put a plate on it and drove it in the street. They're like, cause uh, after I drove it, I was like, I don't have my fucking camera gear with me, but I'd love to fucking do a video with this. And they said, well, maybe we can leave it with you and if you can get it back out to the, and I was like, I have a dealer plate. I'll wear a helmet. I'll just drive. And they're like, please don't do that, but also you won't enjoy it.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  It'll get seven views. Track review of $500,000 obscuratorium car.

• 33:06Matt Farah?

  Race car in the canyons would get a fucking million views probably. But uh, it was sick. Um, it was a real treat. So this is, that's all, that's the same company that is, is, is running. There, uh, that is also Evoludo.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 33:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And so, uh, you know, they have, they supposedly have a license to make 10 products.

• 33:32Matt Farah?

  I mean, imagine, you know, a, uh, a who's, who's list of sort of Ford Motorsport greats. So.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  I wonder if Ford GT will be there or GT 40 would be like their pinnacle.

• 33:47Matt Farah?

  All but certain.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the other, the other companies that have, that make and have made GT 40 replicas. Like, I'm not really sure like what their licensing agreement is exactly, but like, I don't know.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  10 products. That's a lot.

• 34:02Matt Farah?

  10 products is a lot.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  All from Ford?

• 34:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Like what are the heroes through the years? Like, is there, are there 10?

• 34:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure. Especially if you go, if you, if, cause when he, he said, street car and, and race car were two different products.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. Okay. Then that makes it easier. So this escort is two products.

• 34:23Matt Farah?

  This counts as two.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 34:24Matt Farah?

  In their, in their math.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Right. So you can make five cars, two different ways.

• 34:28Matt Farah?

  Pretty much. Yeah.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  So no Edsel is what I'm, I'm thinking. When I, when you said 10, I was like, ooh.

• 34:32Matt Farah?

  Did I, did we do the Edsel versus Cybertruck math on this show? Did I, was, did I bring it, have that?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  The, the Edsel is a car that's like a joke of what a failure it is. Like it's like an early example of like a, almost like a meme. Right? Like if a car is a failure, it's like, an Edsel is like the example of a bomb, a total bomb. Right? But they sold twice as many Ford Edzels to a population half the size we have now.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  They have sold Cybertrucks to our current population.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Let's see, what, Google AI says they sold about 120,000 total.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  Edzels.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Edzels, sorry, Edzels. The brand got discontinued in 59. It was a loss of about $3 billion in today's money.

• 35:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, anyway, let's circle back to the 355 Evoluto. Yeah, did you just go wow because the math is, that math checks?

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, the Cybertrucks sold half as many and there's way more people.

• 35:36Matt Farah?

  There's twice as many people in the country.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Don't see them as much anymore, you really don't.

• 35:40Matt Farah?

  You know where I just saw a bunch? Seattle. I saw so many fucking Cybertrucks in Seattle, so many.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  I wonder why.

• 35:48Matt Farah?

  I don't know why, but there's way more than they are in LA.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  They're great in the snow.

• 35:54Matt Farah?

  Maybe, yeah, maybe that's why, but like, but I'll come back to that at the end. But let's talk about the 355 by Evoluto. Everybody, man, they really ran a press launch with this thing, didn't they? Everybody got to have a go. So, this is a resto-modded Ferrari 355. And sort of unlike sort of Singer and Guntherwerks, which are, which is where the price point is of this thing, is in between those two.

• 36:29Matt Farah?

  This, they haven't really, like with Singer, at least in the beginning of the company, it was their classic, what's now called their classic, right? What was formerly, just, which is what they did. It was a highlight reel of Porsches from that entire era, from the 60s through the 90s, right? They highlight reel all that, make everything better, and that was what their, their thing was. That was how they described what their process was, right? The everything is important. Guntherwerks.

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  I don't know why I said it with a German accent. They're from fucking Newport Beach, but.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  But when you look at the words.

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They go back to 1998 and they quote, "Imagine Porsche had continued development of not just air-cooled, but the 993 specifically until today," right? And they want it to lap a racetrack the same pace as a modern GT3, but with a, with an air-cooled car. That's what they want to do, right? So it's, it's race car shit in a, in a veiled, you know, thinly veiled sort of street car livery, right? That's what they're doing. Evoluto didn't have a way to me to express what their like vision was, other than we want to modernize the 355.

• 37:52Matt Farah?

  That, they never really had a, a deeper, a sort of.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  They have the story.

• 37:55Matt Farah?

  A deeper story than that, which like, maybe there's evidence that you actually don't need a deeper story than that, um, or maybe there's evidence that you do.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  So, why don't you start? Cause I got to drive it in the video, so you at least heard my fucking baseline, or most people did, but no one's heard from you yet on this thing. So why don't you start?

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I had also never driven a stock 355 before, so it's obviously been on my.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  That's an interesting perspective.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  My to-do list, because I do think, as many people do, that is one of the best-looking cars ever built. Um, and of course, they have the unfortunate reliability record that they do, which keeps a lot of people away.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Lot, lot of good in this car. And again, I hadn't driven a regular one, but I have driven Ferraris that have slow steering. And so this thing, the steering rack is amazing.

• 38:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  You know, the handling is great. The turn-in is really good. Uh, the suspension's not too stiff. The sound is obviously like, you know, what you hear as you enter the gates of heaven, basically. Um, you know, small, small Ferrari V8s always sound amazing. And like, I, I think I had been in the car for 12 seconds and I was like, I need to buy a Ferrari 360. Like I'm shifting and going, I should do the VIN and just buy a clapped-out Ferrari 360, just to hear this sound when it works.

• 39:13Matt Farah?

  Well, 360s do, do work by and large.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Pretty good, but if you follow Vin and Ansh's stories, the car's been down for a little bit, so it

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah. Yeah, but he, he, he bought a particularly shot one and then started fucking, he's taking that thing apart, putting it back together fucking 50 times. That's a true project car.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  He's, he's changing things on his own.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  I mean, as an experience, you know, holy crap. Like, it does all of the things we wish, I think, more new cars did. It doesn't feel heavy. The size is nice. The steering's good. The shifting's great. Power is totally fine. Like, it's, it's louder than it is fast, but it's still pretty fast. I mean, I just, I found the whole thing a joy. And then, and to look at it, to see what they've done, and they've tastefully modified it versus the stock one. I think they did a fantastic job. Color pops and all that stuff. But then, there are a couple of things we'll get to, I'm sure, that were imperfect. And when you're talking at this price point, and when you're comparing them, I think fairly to Singer, because this is the price point you're at, and also they've set the bar.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  You know, if you want to reimagine something and improve on something old, well, you can do it this well and charge a million dollars. And if you're going to charge 800,000, essentially, like, you should get real close, but I think you should get closer than 80% of the way there.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  You know, I found it to be, I mean, it was fantastic. It was just fantastic.

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I have driven stock 355s and in fact drove another one side by side. So, so, one of the things you breezed over was the steering. It's, they've done a lot with this car. I, I think it's important to talk about that for all this money, you, you get a lot. They strip a car down to nothing. They reinforce the chassis with strategically applied carbon fiber.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  It's lighter by 200 pounds.

• 41:09Matt Farah?

  It's 200 pounds.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Or kilograms.

• 41:12Matt Farah?

  It's 200 pounds lighter overall. So it's about 3,000 pounds. The whole body is carbon. Uh, there's a lot of unsprung mass that's taken out of it. The, the hubs are titanium. Uh, there's a lot of titanium and magnesium, uh, bits and stuff. Uh, the track width is wider. It's 77 millimeter wider in the back, 66 millimeter in the front, wider. Um, obviously the wheels are modern sizes with giant brakes, Brembo, uh, Brembo brakes. Uh, they're not carbon ceramic, but it doesn't need it. They're motorsport grade brakes and the car's not heavy. Um, the steering, the stock car has a 3.2 turns lock to lock ratio.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  This is 2.0 turns lock to lock. So when you talk about the steering mean change, that, that's the thing. So I bitched a couple of times that nobody made a updated steering rack for my Acura NSX. Same problem. Fucking you shut your shuffle steering through corners instead of what we really have in modern steering systems, which is a much more direct. Um, and you can see it so clearly in the video, cause I have an over, uh, over the shoulder camera as I'm talking about it. You can see I'm steering this car like a modern car, not like an old car. And they really have not fucked that up. They've also done a lot with the engine.

• 42:35Matt Farah?

  The, the net result is frankly, not a car that goes all that much faster in acceleration, but it's a car that, and it doesn't actually sound different enough that I give a shit. You hear the difference, the change in sound is more the chattery fucking single mass flywheel than it is anything in the engine. You could, you could take a stock car and make it sound almost just like this. And in fact, the other one kinda did. Um, but the response is very snappy. It revs up fast. Um, it's, uh, it's the clutch engages more, much more firmly like a, like a performance clutch.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  The, um, the stock clutch is, is a little mushy, which actually isn't such a bad thing. The stock car being as sort of soft as it is by comparison, uh, would be very nice to use as a car that you could put a ton of miles on. Like you'd want, I'd wanna buy a stock one and have it just made, have all the rubber freshened and all the fluids and just put like a sweet Capristo on it and then go do fucking 20,000 miles. You know what, like that would be just joyous. This, the Evoluto is more focused. It's like a point A to point A kind of car, more so than it is a road trip type car.

• 43:57Matt Farah?

  But, but considering how sharp it has become in the corners, the ride isn't compromised.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:05Matt Farah?

  The lengthening of the control arms, like they've done to this Ferrari, what you would do if you were building a really good RWB. If you're building a really good RWB, you have all your control arms lengthened.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't just do it with wheel spacers and like offset.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  That's how you do a bad RWB.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  So if you see RWB where the, where the wheel hubs are pushed all the way out and the wheels are almost flat faces, that car will probably drive really nice. If you see one that has a super deep dish rear wheel, it's going to drive like garbage. And so they've done it right with this. It's, it's pushed out, but it's pushed out from the control arm side. So you have much better shock control.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I mean, it uses the same shocks as the T50 does. Now, same company, R53.

• 44:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Granted, the parts don't, you know, make the car, but this, the suspension setup, the way this felt in the canyons, felt like T50.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  It was just compliant, but stuck. It was amazing.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and the brakes are, are a modern brake pedal feel and modern brake pedal performance. And, and so the stock car, I, I don't think will ever be more than like a seven tenths car. Like it just can't be because the brakes are kind of mushy and the steering ratio is slow. And the engine revs up a little slower and the, and the clutch is a little mushier. And the tires are a little squishier and all of that. It's a little heavier. But the stock car is, it could be a fabulous tourer, fabulous weekend toy. But if you want to hustle. Uh, the Evoluto fucking does it. Like, I really do not have a lot of notes dynamically

• 45:50Matt Farah?

  about how that thing drives. Like, that's pretty fucking bang on.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  And that's good because when you're, I mean, that's what you want when a car is a supercar brand that has then been re-engineered with modern knowledge. You go, okay, I hope you get it right. And, you know, when we drove that Scion Racing 1800, that didn't feel right. And you go, well, all this money and all these brain power and you get this wrong.

• 46:13Matt Farah?

  The steering was weird.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Steering was weird. And the steering was an absolute, like, F. And after that, you're like, well, I wouldn't buy this car. But this thing, the steering was ace.

• 46:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, but that doesn't mean it's, like, perfect. So, the, um, there's a couple of things that, like, I didn't love. Um, I don't, uh, I think, so Ian Callum did the styling, and I respect Ian Callum, but I don't love the styling. Uh, I like it from certain angles. I think the rear three-quarter looks fabulous. Uh, I do like the GTO, uh, gills on it.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  They look great.

• 46:49Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't, I don't, uh, I like the rear grille, uh, I like the rear diffuser. I don't love the new doors with the larger, uh, air inlets on the side. Not because I don't like the inlets, I just think it's a worse door handle. You have to press that thing, and then there's nothing to grab.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  It is a weird door handle.

• 47:12Matt Farah?

  Whereas you actually reach into the scoop and just tug it in the original car, and that's just better. Um, you know, the, the original car is a little cleaner and tighter in its proportions and, and, uh, but, uh, and I don't-

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Well, because part of, one of the prices for the wider track is that the fenders are a little bit flared on the new one, right? And I think from some angles, they look amazing. But I'd have, I, I wasn't there this day to see the car side by side.

• 47:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, the, the wheel design.

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  I don't think, they have, now, in fairness to them, they have like three or four different wheel choices. The ones, these gold ones that were on the car for everybody to drive it, are the magnesium ones, so they're the lightest. I don't think a coffin-shaped wheel spoke works well on a curvy Ferrari. I think a coffin-shaped wheel spoke works well on a BMW.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  R8.

• 48:10Matt Farah?

  On a Lambo.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Engeler.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, coffin-shaped wheel spoke is a real Lamborghini Gallardo-type wheel. It's not a Ferrari-type wheel. And I told them this, and I said, "Look." They had a couple other wheel designs that looked like Momo, updated Momo designs from the 90s, one of which was kinda cool, but I wasn't in love with any of them. And I said, "Can you guys render out something that's like an updated Ferrari F40 wheel?" Because that's really what everybody just kinda wants.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 48:44Matt Farah?

  Just, the closest you get to F40, like, the better.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, the 550 wheel looks great.

• 48:49Matt Farah?

  That's a rule of Ferrari. So, they went home, and they fucking hit me up the next day with the updated F. And I go, "That, that's the thing, make that." And they're like, "We're making a set, there's a set in production." So, yeah, so, but, I mean, wheels are easy. And then, do I have an interior shot? From the previous post, I do. So, the interior, some great things, and then a couple things I don't love. I love the metal center console, and the buttons and scroll knobs there. That feels very done.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  They look great. It looks special, feels special, doesn't seem too modern at all, which is really cool, but, you know, you can tell that they've, they changed that.

• 49:33Matt Farah?

  I actually like the dashboard itself, the way the carbon and the leather works.

• 49:41Matt Farah?

  The doors aren't fancy, but I don't hate them. Now, the seats, and if you go to the, maybe the next, do I have another, I don't, maybe I didn't get a shot of it. The seats are like real high back, like they're the kind of seats you'd find in a modern Ferrari. And they go really close to the roof of the car.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:04Matt Farah?

  And it takes me out of the era a bit.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  They also look wrong, like they look too big for the car. And it looks like, it looks like they had this seat lying around and you, it's like, it looks like a project and you just shoved this seat in there and you go, is that what you're going to stay with? You're going to go with like a lower Recaro or Sparkle or something later. Because it almost looks like the seat you tested, because the size is strange. It's huge.

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  And I drove it, the stock car, the stock seat, you, I also sit an inch lower. The stock, I sit an inch lower in the stock car.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, because this car, we both, we both get in it and you're taller than me, but my hair was touching the roof and I felt like I was really up high, which was unexpected.

• 50:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for me, after a couple of months of driving this, it would look like the back of the couch in Coming to America with the stain from the fucking sunblock. But it would just be my sunscreen just rubbing into the suede. Whereas I had about an inch of room in, in the, the stock car. So the seats took me out of the era and also they sit high and the backs were tight. And then the steering wheel, to me, I like, I like using it. I like the shape of, of the rim. I wish it was round, but, but I mean, but when I have my hands at nine and three and I'm steering the car with it, it, the position and angle and stuff, it feels nice.

• 51:27Matt Farah?

  It looks to me, it's a little Ring Brothers. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful to Mike and Jim Ring. They have a very specific style. But like their style is like muscle cars at CBA. And that's what this steering wheel says to me. It looks like if the Ring Brothers did a 69 Camaro, this is the steering wheel they would put in it. And it's not, if you look at, for instance, to go back to them, because it's the gold standard, a Singer wheel. We described it as the most perfect steering wheel ever put into a car. Why? Because it took what Porsche already got right.

• 52:05Matt Farah?

  And that, like, if you look at that Singer wheel, I mean, the modern ones, that, the one of the DLS turbo's fine.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  The regular turbo?

• 52:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the regular, that's fine. It, it is, it looks like, wow, what a fucking terrible photo set this is, but okay. It looks like a modernized version of that Porsche three-spoke, uh, wheel. Oh, that, this one has, you seen that? I've never seen these pads. Have you seen these pads in there?

• 52:35Speaker 01

  No, but when we, when we drove it, and this, I feel like this camera makes this rim look thicker than it is.

• 52:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  But what was so awesome about this is that it was this, like, angled, flattened, carbon rim on the inside. And your thumb landed there and you went, oh, this is how every steering wheel should be. It should be flat so that your thumb can press on that outwardly.

• 52:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  And then, of course, the outside of the wheel is round and it was like the right, the diameter was great. It was perfect.

• 52:58Matt Farah?

  So, uh, and if you look at a Gunterwachs, it also looks, it looks like Porsche could have made this wheel. I don't think Ferrari would have ever made the wheel that's in the Evoluto. And I think, like, the best Ferrari wheel is the non-airbag 355 wheel. Like, you actually can't improve on that. So I would literally just remake that, but do what Singer did with that carbon inner bit on that wheel. Uh, because the 355 airbag wheel sucks. It's the big, you know, big fat first gen airbags.

• 53:40Matt Farah?

  But the non-airbag wheel, oh, I mean, it just doesn't get better. That looks like it came out of fucking Niki Lauda's F1 car. You know what I'm talking about?

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great. I mean, and it probably was an evolution of that wheel. I mean, it's, you know, it's not too far from-

• 53:57Matt Farah?

  Look at it in the dash.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Not too far from prototipo.

• 54:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  But it's got a little bit of covering, you know, where the horn buttons are.

• 54:03Matt Farah?

  Perfect three spokes. That's-

• 54:06Speaker 01

  And I think that's what left out to me is, you know, on the Evoluto one. The spokes they made brushed aluminum for people listening with like a tan leather around it and it does match the bright aluminum of the center console and a little accent on the door sill. Like they're connecting those bits and I get it, but the double spoke with the holes, it's like then it's too much. And actually, it's kind of like the coffin wheel. It's just, and when you go back to the classic one, each spoke, it's just one spoke, you know, one solid spoke at those three ends and this just looks, I don't know, it's just a little too aggressive.

• 54:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:44Matt Farah?

  So that's, you know, and look, making it drive great is very, very hard. I am very impressed at how well this car drives, particularly for a, you know, kick the shit out of pre-production car. A lot of people in the video commented about the window. They wrote an email to me and they were like very apologetic about the window. They basically were like, this is a rough prototype, you know, car and they just didn't like service the stock window mechanisms, but like customer cars are gonna have new wind, brand new window. They're supposed to go down when you, whatever.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so you know, this is some of the, some of the stuff, the fit and finish on this actual car, there were a couple of rattles and stuff that you would not want to find in customer deliveries, but this is a, this is a shit kicker car. So, I mean mechanically it was rad. So nice to drive.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Did the guy that, the fan that brought his stock car, did he get to drive this?

• 55:53Matt Farah?

  First off, he did have, he did get to have a go. Let me tell you something about, about Adam and his lovely wife, Carolina. These folks are fucking winners. They're, they're both like business people. They run a business together. They have, they have this car. They, they travel internationally a lot and when they come to LA, they use this as their car. And they drove, they drove the Evoluto, they thought it was cool.

• 56:26Matt Farah?

  They let not just me, but everybody who worked with Evoluto, it was like four guys, and my two cameramen drive their 355.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 56:40Matt Farah?

  They let everybody drive it.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 56:42Matt Farah?

  They insisted everybody drive it. Neither of the camera guys had ever driven a Ferrari before. And this dude, this is a 17,000 mile mint. Mint, one of the nicest ones I've ever seen, mint. Couldn't find a better example of as, you know, as delivered from Ferrari, except for it had this Capristo on it that just ripped. It was so loud and so fun. And so, you know, when you consider the fact that this example, this, uh, if you, to replicate Adam's car, low mile, great service, great condition, you know, it's not cheap, might

• 57:23Matt Farah?

  be looking at 250, uh, more if you want a better color than red tan. They happen to like red tan, no hate on red tan.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  I mean, there is no better color than red tan.

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  Resale red. Give me a non-red Ferrari, please. But, but, uh, it's fine, you know, might be a little more. Uh, one just came across my way for 275, it was silver, but, uh, I could have bought fucking Joe's.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  It's like 80, right?

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  Bro, I offered him 68, he wanted 74, and we couldn't make a deal. Fuck.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  But that was how long ago? That was eight years?

• 57:54Matt Farah?

  That would have been 20... Eight, 18, maybe?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  No, I was gonna say, imagine how much you would have spent on maintenance, but you spent a lot on maintenance for your car anyway.

• 58:03Matt Farah?

  Spent a lot on maintenance on anything, makes no difference. So, uh, yeah, no, if they're worth, if I kept it as nice, if they, this is a car that would have paid for itself over that period of time, but, um, you know, it would be very difficult to justify.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  If you don't have all the money, it's like, is it quote, "Worth it"? No, no, it's not. And also, they said something to me that I didn't love, which was that, you know, they're making these parts to make the Evoluto do what it does. And they're also doing, they're making some parts like door seals and stuff. And they're making those parts available to, they're backwards compatible with regular cars, which is good, that's good. But like, the steering rack, like, they won't sell that to you. And, which, okay.

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  But they also were talking about wanting to maintain the investment-grade, you know, control the, they wanted to control the secondary market, the gray market of these cars. And like, because, you know, I'm guessing it's hard to convince someone to spend this much money unless you can convince them they'll get more back on the other end. I just think it's, you know, to talk, we circle back with the replicas being costing more than the originals, this thing costing probably four times what it would cost to get you a great original. It's a huge markup. And then you're promising the customers that they'll get more on the other end.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  That's a really bold thing to do.

• 59:39Matt Farah?

  Which is wild, which is a wild thing to say. And it's a sad thing because it will encourage the customer to not drive the car. Because if it's an investment, then lower miles will bring more money. No miles will bring, you know what I mean?

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Do they have a production number for the Evoluto? I forget.

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  Fifty-five coupes.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:59Matt Farah?

  And, so, like, whenever we find that capitalism intersects with car enthusiasm, capitalism almost always wins at this price point. And that sort of sucks. And they're doing like a 20,000 mile warranty, but they're also, they're also trying to say it'll be worth more on the other end. So, it's not being treated as a throwaway money toy. Like, "Ah, burn the money on this just so I can fucking rip a 355", you know, and, like... Tuner cars used to devalue. You know what I mean? He used to devalue the car.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that, I mean, that's different. Like, I don't think anyone's, like, burning money on a Singer or burning, like, anyone at this price point is too careful. The guy who had a car here, uh, you know who I'm talking about? Never drove it, because he was, because he probably stretched a bit to buy it. And he was afraid to drive it and damage it, because it would hurt the investment.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  Just a bummer.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  And it was priced around this one.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  It's, it's, it's counterintuitive when you've spent all the money to make it drive so good.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  I agree. Yeah, you go, because, because people, the, the person who buys the car, if they just bubble it, they're gonna repeat the pitch that we've heard and that we have helped share, which is like, they're gonna go, "Oh, the steering rack's great."

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  And, "Oh, they fixed the reliability with all these new parts, and the wheels are so light, and the way it sounds is amazing." And you're like, "When's the last time you experienced any of that?" "Oh, once." "Whoa, and I picked it up."

• 1:01:18Matt Farah?

  How many tanks of gas have you been through in this car?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Well, I don't want to ruin the value. Sure, yeah. Keep being boring, but rich. Great.

• 1:01:24Matt Farah?

  It's, it's unfortunate. When you pitch it both ways, you know? I, I, I understand why you have to do that, but I also, it's also like, it just made me feel a little ick.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  I wonder if, you know, I wonder if people in the beginning of Singer had that concern of resale, or they were just excited about the cars, and the resale kind of happened, and then, and now it's just a known thing. If you, if you're on the list and you pick one up, you could probably flip it for 50% to double, because everyone else, it's to someone who doesn't want to wait.

• 1:01:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  But I wonder if their early customers gave a shit, or if they were just happy to have the perfect driving machine.

• 1:02:04Matt Farah?

  No, I think they had a tough time. They had, they had, they, they had, we, I mean, I don't know if we, has Maz ever actually told the story of, like, the first 20 cars that they did?

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Not here, no.

• 1:02:16Matt Farah?

  We should get him to do that.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think he would. If he would openly tell the story of the ups and downs.

• 1:02:21Matt Farah?

  The story of, like, the first 20 cars, I think, would be very interesting. But I think it, you know, a few people saw Rob, Rob Dickinson's car. They, they, they wanted cars, but it wasn't like, instant, you know, flipper waiting list, and the assumption for the first year, or a couple of years, was not that you would get more money on the other end.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Right, because it was a new experiment. I think we're, we're in this weird position where, uh... It's like we're looking at the evolutionary timeline of Homo sapiens or something, but we get to see the entire timeline in one moment because Singer has been doing this now for 15 years.

• 1:03:01Matt Farah?

  2010?

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Right, with first star exposure to them. So they're in this 16 years now and super successful. Like they're the example of what can happen if you do the recreation perfectly and the market comes to you or is there. But then you've got like Revolge has been doing it a little while, have seemingly good success. They're expanding their portfolio. And then you've got Evoluto is like brand new, you know? And they're still whatever chimpanzees in my analogy that's falling apart. So we're getting to, we're comparing a new company to an established company. And we know that Evoluto would probably hope to become Singer for Ferrari and Ford and whatever. But we're kind of comparing like, you know, the future of the past.

• 1:03:40Matt Farah?

  For a first car, it could be a piece of shit. You know what I mean? It could, it could drive like garbage. It could not work properly. Like there's all kinds of things that it could be that would be fucking terrible. Like, you know, starting with a Ferrari does not guarantee greatness in any way. But it's, it's not that. It drives beautifully. It really, it really does. It's dynamically quite excellent and like, other than having less NVH or I should say worse NVH, not less NVH, worse NVH than the stock car, you could drive it on a road trip. Like, I don't see why you couldn't. They're offering a fucking 20,000 mile warranty. So, you know, they're, they're doing development miles. They believe in the product.

• 1:04:22Matt Farah?

  Okay. There's some things I cosmetically don't like. There's some things other people cosmetically don't like. But if you look at the comments on the Instagram or the video, like it's pretty split. It's not everybody feels the way you necessarily feel about this design.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. I think, I thought it looked rad.

• 1:04:43Matt Farah?

  Not you. I meant the audience, not you Zach. But also you.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  I thought it looked rad. I think they both look great. I think the stock one is obviously just sexy as hell. But the new one, I think they, I think they did subtle enough changes where when I looked at it, I was like, oh, this is hot.

• 1:04:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, it's, it's definitely a fucking vibe. I mean, it's, it's.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  It's a 355 TF. That's what it looks like with a TDF, right? When they did that with the F12, little gills here, little more aggressive, but not too much.

• 1:05:13Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah. Competizione kind of thing. Uh, I'd probably pop off the Evoluto badge off the grill and put the fucking horseback on. I know they can't do that because

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:25Matt Farah?

  legal things, but um, it's a fucking spicy meatball. They also, oh, but I forgot to mention they, they remove the uh, they redo the whole wiring harness. They do a lot. There's the, there's a, the list of things they do is really very lengthy.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  They said a lot of the engine parts they've changed will help the reliability because these cars, I think the 355 had a higher ownership cost than like a 512.

• 1:05:47Matt Farah?

  And it, it did. In terms of most expensive to own and drive, you have uh, the F50 is the most. The F40 after that, and then the 355.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  That is the

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  That's hypercar, hypercar, supercar, or you maybe, yeah, supercar, and they're priced similarly.

• 1:06:05Matt Farah?

  They're even, they're more expensive to run than even like, like to run, not to buy and sell, just to run. They're like, than like a 60's V12 car. Those ain't, those ain't shit compared to a 355.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  The fact that Testerosa is below 355.

• 1:06:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Testerosa's only just, they're the next ones down.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  You know, it's, it's older and it's a more complicated engine, or it's a V12 engine, so you'd think of it.

• 1:06:28Matt Farah?

  50% more cylinders, so you need 50% more of almost everything.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  But, but they're like, here's the final thing about the Evoluto. It costs $770,000 plus a 355. And it can be a shitter. It doesn't have to be a good, but it can't be crashed. Uh, you know, you're not buying a, you're not buying like a, yeah, it's not, it can't be crashed or burnt, but it can be, it can be fucked. So like the worst 355, and it's gotta be a GTB. The worst one has gotta be a hundred grand, like the worst one.

• 1:07:09Matt Farah?

  And it'll have like a salvage title, maybe because it was like flooded. You know, not crashed, but like otherwise.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. I'm looking through for listings on on bat, but yeah.

• 1:07:21Matt Farah?

  A hundred K is gonna get to get you the shittiest shitter that, you know, barely runs. Basically, and has like all kinds of paperwork problems that you may have to explain to somebody down the road. Or probably not. I don't know. I guess nobody ever.

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  I can't say for certain, but I have to guess that once you buy second hand a Singer or a Gunther or something like that. You're not asking any questions about what the donor car's life was like beforehand. That shit is. That shit's washed away in the fucking waves, huh?

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  I don't think it would matter. Like you just. I would assume that they that Singer has gone through every piece of it anyway.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  So it doesn't really matter how it lived before. If it had rust, I'm sure they fixed it. It's it's essentially. In my eyes, it's a brand new car.

• 1:08:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:09Matt Farah?

  So the the lingering, yeah, the the. Man.

• 1:08:16Matt Farah?

  What was I just gonna say? I had a I did have a lingering thought on this car and.

• 1:08:22Matt Farah?

  Maybe it'll come back to me. I don't know. I mean, it's it's it's cool. It's it's neat. I I really enjoyed driving it.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  I mean, the question is always. Do the people shopping at this level, will they see enough of a difference between this and the regular car? And I think you could ask the same question with the Porsches.

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  There is a difference, but here's the actually the thought that escaped me and just came back. For this amount of money, seven seventy plus a car.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  It's a million dollars.

• 1:08:47Matt Farah?

  Call it a million dollars.

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Matt Farah?

  What? Modern Ferrari are you gonna buy that's better? For for the same amount of money. Now, it's an interesting amount of money because it's. There's a lot that's less than that, a lot, but not a lot that's like close. There's not a lot of modern Ferraris that are like 800 or 900,000 that are worth it. Like there's some like a couple like very low mileage like 430 scooteryas like fuck out of here 900K for that thing. No, absolutely not.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  It's awesome, but.

• 1:09:22Matt Farah?

  $900,000? No. That's the most fabulous $125,000 driving experience you can have for 900 grand.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  But if you, you know, if you close your eyes with this thing, is this a million dollar driving experience?

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  Well, no, I mean, the, yeah, the, the question is what Ferrari, what original Ferrari can you buy for a million dollars? That's better, that's a better driving experience and you, you have to look pretty hard. For the same amount of money, you could spend like five million dollars.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Right, and then you can get F50 or an Enzo or something.

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  And you could have something great as well, but, but for one million, what stock Ferrari is better? Weird, weird place you found yourself there.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  I guess I'd have to drive a Scud back to with this to see, you know?

• 1:10:09Matt Farah?

  Scuds are cool, they ain't that, they're, they're not all that. That's, that's 150 to 200, a driving experience, pure driving experience. The reason they're fucking 900 is because someone somewhere thinks they're investment grade.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  Right, well, someone probably bought their own car and pumped it.

• 1:10:26Matt Farah?

  Some assholes cornering the fucking market, yeah. Uh, I want to do a few questions and I want to, so I'll save my report from the, from my Pacific Northwest trip, which will, which is actually pretty fun, but I did want to tell you a funny story before we get to questions. I was flying to Portland and to start my road trip and I was, my camera case, uh, no, I'm sorry, it wasn't Portland. Where did I just fly? The Nismo launch, excuse me, I was going to, coming back from SFO from Sonoma, uh, where I drove the Nismo Z, which I can talk about on the 18th or something, yeah, so next week.

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  And I had my camera case, cause I was filming, got stopped, uh, you know, pulled aside as I do pretty frequently with that case. And, and they go, what's in here? And I go, cameras and camera mounts and they go, okay, can, we found a potential weapon in there. I go, huh. And I open it and he pulls out the Leatherman that you gave me.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  TSA approved.

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  My birthday TSA approved.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  According to their website.

• 1:11:36Matt Farah?

  Now, I'm sorry because I have a bit of a marijuana problem. Did you give me that for this past birthday or a year ago? Was it this past December or a year ago December?

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  I think it was a year ago. I think you've had it longer than five months, I think.

• 1:11:53Matt Farah?

  So I've had it for 18 months.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:11:55Matt Farah?

  17 months.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Matt Farah?

  Okay. When you first got it to me, I put it in that case.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:01Matt Farah?

  I've been carrying it around for all over the world for 18 months. I have not been stopped until now for having a thing that looks... First off, I was stoked because I got to say TSA approved buddy, no blade. And he like, what? And he was like, wow, that's pretty cool. Put it back in, sent me on my way. But it looks just like one that does have a blade. You can't tell from the outside that it doesn't have a blade. You have to take it out and show it to someone. It looks exactly like a regular Leatherman with a blade. I forgot it was even in the camera case this whole time. I thought I had taken it out. Uh, but it turns out I have been flying all over the goddamn globe. Security in many nations, mainly Spain and America.

• 1:12:44Matt Farah?

  But like for 18 months, I've been carrying this fucking thing all over the world and nobody has stopped me to ask a question about it until last week.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  I wonder if...

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  If the, uh, the fidelity of the X-ray machine is good enough, they can see blades? Or they just don't care?

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  Outta here, no they cannot.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  You know what they see when we go through those? They see the suction cups on video look like a cartoon bomb. They look like something from a 50's cartoon. It's a round circle with a thing sticking out.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  And they look at that and they go, oh, it's not a cartoon bomb from Acme? Great. And then they just send you on your way.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So I mean, I've probably flown 60 segments carrying this fucking thing.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  I'm glad that they acknowledged, oh, right, there's no blade. That does pass the rules. Here you go. Have a nice day. Because I think the very first time you flew with it, you got stopped. And you had to like show them. And I was like texting you the Leatherman website, you know, here, show them this thing. But now then they figured it out.

• 1:13:39Matt Farah?

  But, uh, so anyway, they didn't find this thing for a year and a half. What is, where am I going with this? They're not finding your weed. Just, you can comfortably fly with weed. They're not, you're okay.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Not legal advice.

• 1:13:53Matt Farah?

  Almost.

• 1:13:55Matt Farah?

  Not legal advice, it won't hold up in court, but like for all

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  Just saying.

• 1:14:00Matt Farah?

  For all practical purposes, if they're not fighting this, they're not fighting your weed.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  They're looking for lithium batteries and things that explode.

• 1:14:08Matt Farah?

  And only big ones. They don't, I was told, I had taken all the GoPro batteries out of that case, and they asked about lithium batteries, and I said, "Oh no, I took them all out of the case." And they were like, "Can you show me them?" And I was like, "I have..." And they were like, "Oh, we don't care about those. We just care about the ones that like go on drills, like bigger or like power banks and stuff like that." And I was like, "Well, I'm just gonna take them out anyway, you know, I've been doing that."

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  Fires a fire.

• 1:14:34Matt Farah?

  I don't mind, I mean, continuing to do it.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Also, it's good practice, because I know we've told you this many times, but for the audience, a lot of other countries do care about the small batteries, so.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Alright, uh, let's do a few questions from Patreon. Also, shout out to Are You Garbage for putting on a great live show.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  That was so fun.

• 1:14:54Matt Farah?

  Live show in LA last week. They fucking rule. Go see them, they're on tour. Um, where was I? Patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast is how you get in on the fun, ask questions for the show, listen to the live stream, watch the live stream, get the show the day it's recorded, rather than that the scheduled Tuesday, Thursday, uh, get exclusive early access to, uh, merch, collabs, things like that, and of course, get an extra podcast every month, just for you, at Patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast. Uh, "B5S4, I can fix her," says, "Would the average M-car buyer actually be better served by an Alpina version?

• 1:15:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, the older I get, the more I want fast and comfy and less race car theater." Well, the second part I can certainly relate to. Um, I mean, that's the, that's the target of Alpina. Alpina is, is for people who want to drive the autobahn across Germany, you know, to commute 150 miles a day at 150 miles an hour, uh, and the M-car is for racetracks. So, I think if your vibe is, "I'm old now, I want a fast ass couch," then, yes. Now, would the average M-car buyer?

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  That's the question, because I think what I see most, the new M's in this town seem to be bought by people in their late twenties to early, to mid thirties, I'd say, for the most part. They're still gonna want the race car thing. They're not gonna want the more comfortable, high-speed, also like where we live, you know, you don't commute fast on the highway most of the time.

• 1:16:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, but I do love me an Alpina.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:16:32Matt Farah?

  Open wide, open throttle, DDS, DDS. I'm going to the dentist at 1 o'clock today. I've put my tuned 992S on the local track here in Houston, and I've been to a good number of instructed lessons at the track. At what point did you guys say, "Hey, I am advanced at this?"

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  This is a good question. I wanted to, I was trying to figure out, like, what does HPDE consider, like, what is their advanced criteria? I know they allow open passing usually. It usually just means, like, you're, you haven't had a bunch of offs, you're confident around other traffic, like, you're not so distracted by driving the car on the track that you can't be aware of what's happening around you. But I wonder if there's, like, a specific rule set?

• 1:17:16Matt Farah?

  Advanced, I would say advanced is, you are comfortable showing up to a track that you've never been to. Like, let's say you go with, go out with Chin, or you go out with Speed Ventures, you go out with one of these track day companies, and they've got a track day somewhere you've never been to. Like, or it's a track day company at a track day that you've never, like, you're comfortable not just getting your car around the racetrack safely, but like, you're comfortable showing up at a track day, put on by a company you don't know, at a racetrack you don't know. And you can rock up and know what to

• 1:17:57Matt Farah?

  do from the moment you arrive. You go, "Okay, well, I'm here now. I have to tech my car. I have to register. I have to get a wristband. The driver's meeting is at this time. These are the questions I might have about the track. I know what the flags mean. I know that I can go out, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be at the pit at my assigned time. I know what my time, what my assigned times are. My car will be ready. When I'm on the track, I'm looking at my mirrors, and as faster traffic approaches me from behind, I'm giving those people point buys in a way that doesn't impede their speed, or I'm driving predictably." It doesn't necessarily mean... I get below a 140 at Laguna or something.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  That'd be a hardware thing.

• 1:18:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it means that like you become like a net, a net even to net positive of the track day experience for others around you. That's when you're advanced.

• 1:18:54Speaker 01

  You're fluid in the, fluent in the language.

• 1:18:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of like, yeah. You're also fluid.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  You're fluid in the language. An example of me still learning English.

• 1:19:02Matt Farah?

  You're a mumble rapper, yeah.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like you're, you're, you are, you are, you understand the track day experience in a way that, you know, you can rock up knowing to a new place and just be comfortable. Yeah. I think that's probably it. And also in, in, in, in and around that, you know, you're not, your car's not going off, you're fucking.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Well, part of that is that you can go out on the track and you know how to learn the track at a safe ability level, you're sorry, safe speed. You go, okay, I'm gonna first 10 laps, I'm gonna figure out where things go. You've never been there before and then you're gonna do that safely.

• 1:19:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Siggs Inside says, "I keep getting complaints about the smell in my car due to fresh black ice little trees. What air fresheners do you recommend if any?" Oh, man. I mean, look, based on the username, you're ripping heaters in the car, right? If you're ripping heaters in the car, like, there's not much you can do other than like just get it washed all the fucking time.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause anything you put in there is just adding, it's mixing with that smell. So it could be sandalwood, whatever, doesn't care, there's cigarette mixed in there.

• 1:20:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, air fresheners are additive. You need to be thinking subtractive.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:20Matt Farah?

  That's like, I don't put, my cars always smell fine. I have, I clean them all the time. Uh, and so like, if you clean your car all the time, you don't need an air freshener.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. I haven't had an air freshener in my car in like years and it's fine.

• 1:20:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And if you do clean your car all the time and you need an air freshener, do you clean yourself enough?

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  That's a good question or, you know, is there lost food under a seat somewhere?

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I can relate to ripping heaters in cars, but I think like, I don't know, and granted I was smoking cigarettes at the time, but you were in my cars a lot. Like when I wasn't actively smoking a cigarette, I didn't have smelly cars, did I?

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  I'm pausing because I don't know because I think I was exposed to it so much that it's possible. I can't remember if I would get in the car and it would still smell like cigarettes. I will say that when I would go home to Santa Cruz, my mom would accuse me of smoking cigarettes because my clothing still smelled.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  So I think the truck probably did smell a little bit like cigarettes, but once you get in, your nose gets used to it.

• 1:21:17Matt Farah?

  Maybe, yeah. But I was like, it's California, so I always, I was like

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  You were windows down, personally?

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  Windows down and all that kind of stuff. It probably did, but I also think I made efforts to keep it pretty minimal. I washed my vehicles a lot.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:21:31Matt Farah?

  Johnny E.V. Gerberman says, "The Lexus RCF has been doing well racing this year, which is great when you realize they still make that car." They actually don't. "Are there any other cars you forgot exist because they've been around for 15 years and sell six of a year?"

• 1:21:50Matt Farah?

  I just was like, I just randomly the other night was like, "Do they sell the Fiat 500 still in America?" And they do, the electric one. And I think I would like to maybe try one as a press car. It might be kind of fun.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  We should. I feel like I don't see them as much as I used to when they were kind of newish. Because I also wonder if they have held value and been reliable the way, you know, other hatchbacks from that era have been.

• 1:22:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Let's see. "Other cars that we forgot exist because they sell so few of them." I mean, I probably would forget they exist right now, to be honest with you.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  We'd have to go like, I'm sure Lexus sells cars we forget they even make.

• 1:22:33Matt Farah?

  They just came out with a new car called the new TZ, I think it's called. It's like a three-row. It's like the Lexus version of the Grand Highlander, I think. What?

• 1:22:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, I just rented, and I'll have a review of it next week. My, I did this road trip in a GMC Acadia. Like, I couldn't have told you that that was still a thing they made.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  I, I see them around a lot, and they have a very distinctive backside.

• 1:23:02Matt Farah?

  They do. But you'll, and you'll have my review of that car next year. Tame Impala SS. You often talk about cars being a X price point driving experience. What are some examples of the most overpriced and underpriced driving experiences you can think of in today's market? Fair. Overpriced. If you were to go to an auction and buy a Mercedes AMG wide-body 6-liter Hammer from 1986. Looks unbelievable. Most, one of the most badass looking cars ever made. Driving it? 380 horsepower V8, 4-speed slushbox.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:23:45Matt Farah?

  You know, 80's Mercedes steering. Like, would not be exciting, and you're talking about $800,000, $700,000 for something like that. So that's, you know, that's up there.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  I also think the newer GTRs, when, like, when they were still selling them new and it was $200,000 effectively, and it felt more like 120, it felt like the old cars with the, with the same transmission, all that stuff. Like, it, it felt like they just priced it up. They'd adjusted the pricing, but not adjusted the car.

• 1:24:13Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:24:16Matt Farah?

  So that's, those are some overpriced ones. Underpriced driving experiences. Hmm. There's, there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of them.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  I mean, the GR Twins, like, the GR86 is a wonderful car to drive, and it's pretty affordable still. Like, but does it, does it punch above its weight? It's very slow. But everything else about it feels great. I mean, turning, shifting, like, if you put that steering, or turning, or balance into other cars that were more expensive, we'd all go, ooh, yeah, this is great.

• 1:24:44Matt Farah?

  Right. And in, in that vein, there's another one, I, I can't really say, because it may

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:24:52Matt Farah?

  break an embargo. But like, there's another one that I think is a competitively priced to underpriced driving experience.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  I think the M2CS is an overpriced driving experience because its direct competitor is itself without the CS, and it's 30 grand less.

• 1:25:10Matt Farah?

  Honestly, like, I think the ZR1 Corvette is potentially an underpriced driving experience. If you put, if you blindfolded somebody and put them in the passenger seat of that car versus in a McLaren 750, I don't think most people could tell you which of those cars is more expensive. I think a very, a very well-trained person might be able to, but most people would say that these are basically the same.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  Yes, so.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  Same with the Z06.

• 1:25:44Matt Farah?

  Dude, a second-hand Z06 is probably the most underpriced driving experience.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Sounds like Ferrari, feels like Ferrari, but priced like Corvette.

• 1:25:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all day. Uh, Grandma Gears says, "I impulsively bought a 1991 Alfa Romeo 164, mostly to hear the Busso V6. It runs, but cosmetically is in terrible shape. I'm thinking of racing it in lemons. Good idea, or should I try to keep it a street car? I never see these in the wild, and I doubt it will go up in value." You're correct about both of those last things. I never see them in the wild either, and I doubt it will go up in value. Uh, my guess is, if you really get that motor serviced properly with good stuff, like, I bet you it'll be great on a racetrack.

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:26:30Matt Farah?

  Like, Alfa Romeos are not terrible when you zing the shit out of them all the time, actually. Like, it will probably break a bunch.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:39Matt Farah?

  But it'll probably be a lot of fun.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  It would, it would sound great, it'd be tons of fun. Um, I'm sure other people have raced Alphas and Lemons, I'm sure they have amazing stories. It's funny because this is very much like a damned if you do and damned if you don't, like, if you drive it on the street, it's in terrible shape, it might break down. If you race it, it might break down, but you'd have more fun.

• 1:26:58Matt Farah?

  Maybe like, maybe you do, uh, like, I don't know, DWA rallies with it or something?

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  That's a good idea.

• 1:27:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, if it's an ugly car that's fun to drive and weird-looking, is perfect for DWA rallies.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Do that, or the Overcrest Rally. I would do like, I would do one of those, spend a year doing rallies with it, and rallies meaning like, group drives, not like, stage rally, and then take it to the racetrack. Because the racetrack, by the way, for, you know, Grandma Gears, like, you have to put a cage in it, fire suppression.

• 1:27:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  That shit costs you lots of money, by the way, so, keep that in mind.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  I, oh wow, I have, I have last one and then I have to call this show, apologize. We'll save all the extra questions for less next show, but I have a hard out at 10 o'clock. My bad. Gila Monster Greg says if you had to buy each other a daily driver for 50 to 100K with the goal of sabotaging the other person, what the fuck kind of sabotage are you doing to someone buying them like a $75,000 car? Like a terrible 70,000? I mean, alright, so I'll buy, I'll buy you Zach, for $75,000, I'll buy you the burned out husk of a 1967 Ferrari 250, you know, whatever the fuck, right? Like, I'll buy, I'll buy you a VIN number surrounded by rust and say-

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  That's pretty bad.

• 1:28:14Matt Farah?

  Good luck turning that into a car.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Um, for $75,000, I would buy you like a front wheel drive, street legal like cup, not cup, yeah, like a, like a polo cup.

• 1:28:29Matt Farah?

  That would probably work.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  No, no, I want it to be stiffer than shit with no interior, so it'd be uncomfortable, slow, tiny, and uh, yeah, all those things. Or you know what, I would, I'd just get you, we saw it before, I would get you an RS200. Yeah, I'd get you an RS200.

• 1:28:46Matt Farah?

  Perfect. Thanks everybody, thank you to our patrons for writing such good questions today, we'll save the rest of them for next show, which will be Thursday or Wednes- Wednesday?

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Wednesday.

• 1:28:56Matt Farah?

  For Wednesday, and uh, I'll see you guys later, thanks so much, bye.