Serving Up Ping Pong Scams w/ Lamorne Morris and Kyle Shevrin

On today’s episode, Laci is joined by Emmy Award winner Lamorne Morris and his hilarious co-host, comedian, writer, and director Kyle Shevrin from their podcast The Lamorning After. Together, they serve up laughs as they follow the trifling story of 49th place Jamaican Olympic table tennis player Michael Hyatt and how he used his ping pong passion to scam a lot of people out of a lot of money. Plus, the "Scammers of the Week" are dressed as bears, proving once and for all that only YOU can stop bear insurance fraud. Stay schemin'! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Lamorne Morris: @lamorne Kyle Shevrin: @kyleshevrin Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/business/michael-hyatt-table-tennis-fraud.html?unlocked_article_code=1.eU4. U0iL. Q24u8HqtEavu&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare https://www.postguam.com/news/local/alleged-financial-scam-detailed/article_4de2830e-d8cb-11e8-b6bc-13e9b4921b3d.html https://olympics.com/en/athletes/michael-douglas-hyatt https://radiojamaicanewsonline.com/sports/jamaica-gain-promotion-at-world-tt-championships https://www.pressreader.com/jamaica/jamaica-gleaner/20161231/281749859023872?srsltid=AfmBOoofa99jOcaVi93Po_Lv33nlWS4kgdgutBF5L3YUjemtvJCrvuaK https://startupsavant.com/startup-center/spin-origin-story https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5191741/bear-costume-insurance-fraud https://www.insurance.ca.gov/0400-news/0100-press-releases/2024/release056-2024.cfm

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• 2:33Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, coming back with another episode of the robbery, fraud, and shenanigans podcast that's known as Scam Goddess. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We're gonna go on a ride together. And if you listen to this podcast, you already know, congregation, what am I? Yes, excited, elated, thrilled for two guests today. Yes, one who is a member of the congregation, returning. He's clearly a high holiday member because it's been a while. So he comes on Easter and on Christmas. You know what I mean? He comes when there's donuts in the back room.

• 3:18Laci Mosley?

  That's right. But we also have a new member standing up in the congregation today, which is very exciting. One is a writer, director, and comedian. And the other is an actor, comedian, and 2024's Primetime Emmy Award winner for his performance in the hit anthology series Fargo. Together, they host a very funny show, a podcast that discusses life, relationships, and, most importantly, what they did last night. And currently, there is some tea, honey. They are hilariously entangled in an epic podcast beef with another podcast called We're Here to Help with Jake Johnson and Ryan Reynolds. And Gareth Reynolds? Who knows?

• 4:02Speaker 04

  See, they don't even know your name, Gareth.

• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  And now I'm over here like, who is scamming who? And more importantly, who is scamming the audience out of the truth? But more on that later. Congregation, please welcome Emmy winner Lamorne Morris and poppin' ass comedian and writer Kyle Shevrin to the show.

• 4:23Laci Mosley?

  Jamaican air horns here.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Perfect.

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  Kyle, I need your Jamaican air horn sound.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  Um, did you guys, I sent you a whole folder. Did they not download it?

• 4:34Laci Mosley?

  I wanted it live.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Guys, play it.

• 4:39Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  Bomba call.

• 4:40Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Already, already scamming. So hello, gentlemen. How are you guys doing?

• 4:46Speaker 05

  Oh, swimmingly.

• 4:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love that.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  Thank you for having us. We are groovy. Yeah.

• 4:50Laci Mosley?

  Y'all are really bringing back like olden time terms.

• 4:54Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, gal.

• 4:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Some cat daddies.

• 4:57Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, 100%. So I've discovered something here in your studio since I've been here. That the internet does indeed work.

• 5:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 5:04Speaker 05

  And can I be honest with you?

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 5:07Speaker 05

  Ain't no filter on this. I'm looking at.

• 5:09Laci Mosley?

  What? Get off of the computer.

• 5:11Speaker 05

  Can you get in trouble if you don't actually work here, but you're searching for illicit?

• 5:15Laci Mosley?

  Film.

• 5:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they like, I mean, technically, no one can see this. Oh, you can see that. Guys, it's a screen full of female bodybuilders. But I can like.

• 5:23Laci Mosley?

  Are you looking to bulk up?

• 5:25Speaker 05

  No, I was trying to see, like, I was trying to see what enlarged, um.

• 5:29Laci Mosley?

  Sir, anyways, I want to talk about the beef first. I want to know if y'all are scamming. Yes, this is an ambush. Put on the ambush music.

• 5:40Laci Mosley?

  So what's going on with We're Here to Help?

• 5:43Speaker 05

  What? Nobody knows. That's the question. Yeah, they're trash.

• 5:46Laci Mosley?

  Cause I heard there was like an invitation to your show. And the audience had more applause for the guests.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  No.

• 5:56Laci Mosley?

  Than y'all.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  No, and we have the footage to prove that. Yeah. We definitely debunked that a long time ago. Um, and I think.

• 6:04Laci Mosley?

  You did? And, and how, did you debunk it through like camera phones or was it professional audio? Because in professional audio, you can add claps.

• 6:13Speaker 05

  No, no, no. We don't know how to do that. I don't know how to add claps. No. I know how to add claps at the strip club. You throw an extra one or two and you hear that shit go.

• 6:21Laci Mosley?

  You know what?

• 6:22Speaker 05

  But for me personally, our podcast live, one of the greatest things you've ever seen. Yeah. Jake Johnson and Damian Wayne's Jr.

• 6:30Laci Mosley?

  You going into Trump voice is now making me doubt you a little bit. Because you did the hands and you did the voice.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  No, that's Jeff from South Park. That's what I'm doing. And we, so we-

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  So it was one of the greatest, most beautiful things. Everybody loved it.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  That's just what, that's just what the polls say.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  What the people say.

• 6:47Speaker 05

  That's just what they say.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  We love our show. It's a great show. It's so big.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  It's the biggest show, biggest show on the air.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  It reminds me of Baron, my son.

• 6:57Laci Mosley?

  Everybody's ears are listening.

• 6:59Speaker 05

  But no, we, we, we, they did our show. Jake is lying about that, saying that they get more applause. The question I asked the audience, because that was our first live show, was how many people here in the audience have our subscribers to our show? And so about like 60% of the crowd clapped. You know, that's how they know of the live show.

• 7:18Laci Mosley?

  You did a poll, okay.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  You did a poll. Then when Jake came out, I said, "We're gonna play a little game in, in, in honor of your show. We're here to help." And then people clapped.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  Like one. There was more booing, honestly.

• 7:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was legit. One dude screamed out, and I'm not, I'm not here to lie. I swear to you. One dude screamed out.

• 7:36Laci Mosley?

  Notoriously, when people start a sentence with "I'm not here to lie", it's just truth after that.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  Well, it's the, it's the same about 100%.

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  That's what I do when I'm telling the truth. Like, somebody will, I'll meet you, like Kyle, and I was like, "Kyle, I'm not here to lie. My name is Lacey Mosley."

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Lie.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  No. See, I don't know what's happening here, but I do know, like, his podcast, for example, is called "We're Here to Help", lie.

• 8:01Laci Mosley?

  They're not here to help?

• 8:02Speaker 05

  They're not here to help. They're, they're posing as therapists, and I think that people, that's the real scam right there. People call in with actual problems.

• 8:12Laci Mosley?

  So, Lamorne, are you saying "We're here to help" is "here to hurt"?

• 8:15Speaker 05

  They have. They have, in many cases, hurt people. People have called in, they've complained. I've done this podcast four or five times. And let me tell you something, they're not there to help.

• 8:24Laci Mosley?

  Are you sure that you didn't feel hurt when they got more applause, when you brought them on your show? And that's why you call them "we're here to hurt" and not "help"?

• 8:33Speaker 05

  No, that's not the case. That's not the, first of all, let's, can we talk about the fact that?

• 8:37Speaker 04

  We released the footage.

• 8:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  The, the idea that we would have doctored footage and then maybe YouTube like, Michael Jackson crowd reactions to then put those in our videos to then release that video and make them look bad.

• 8:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Is so absurd.

• 8:53Laci Mosley?

  So the footage wasn't redacted?

• 8:55Speaker 04

  No, it was raw.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  Cause the footage is given Epstein files. Like, we're never gonna really know.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Raw footage, we always hit it raw.

• 9:01Laci Mosley?

  That's what the people are telling me. That's just what the people are telling me.

• 9:04Speaker 05

  Uh, well, the people are misinformed.

• 9:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 9:06Speaker 05

  And I hate to, I, cause I love the people.

• 9:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 9:08Speaker 05

  And that's the misconception.

• 9:09Laci Mosley?

  You just insulted the people.

• 9:10Speaker 05

  No, I'm just saying.

• 9:10Laci Mosley?

  The people are hurt now.

• 9:12Speaker 05

  Well, here's the misconception about me.

• 9:13Laci Mosley?

  Feels like you're hurting more than they are helping.

• 9:15Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  They're behind a paywall now too, so they are charging people.

• 9:19Speaker 05

  To help them.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  That's.

• 9:21Speaker 05

  And they're not licensed therapists. So let's, let's let that sink in. So while you're here judging us.

• 9:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm not judging you, I'm just trying to get the facts.

• 9:29Speaker 05

  You ain't trying to get the facts, you're trying to get something else, throwing that shoulder out there like that.

• 9:32Laci Mosley?

  This, I looked, my shoulder was hot.

• 9:34Speaker 05

  You throwing that shoulder out there like that, you trying to get something else in here.

• 9:37Laci Mosley?

  This is like when you throw a leg out the cover in the middle of the night, you just, one extremity needs to get cooler.

• 9:42Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's all I'm doing.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, that's when you throw a leg out on the, on the highway, so you can have some strange come pick you up in the back of this motherfucker's Lincoln.

• 9:49Laci Mosley?

  I don't think that's the thing.

• 9:50Speaker 05

  That's how he drives.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  On the highway?

• 9:52Speaker 05

  When I'm trying to get a ride, if I ain't got no change on me for a.

• 9:54Laci Mosley?

  You put your leg out.

• 9:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:55Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  Like a Q-caps.

• 9:57Laci Mosley?

  That's, that's still not, you, you're not helping your case here, gentlemen. Like, and he's drinking water like he's at a senate hearing.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  I, I am taking notes, is that okay? Is that allowed?

• 10:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you can take, yeah, you can absolutely take notes, I just wanna know why you need to.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Just in case, uh, we may need to follow up with the lawsuit for defamation of character, emotional distress, I don't know, but.

• 10:17Laci Mosley?

  So you're gonna show up to the court in a neck brace with a crutch?

• 10:20Speaker 04

  Listen, we don't scam the people. We're, this is us, this is real.

• 10:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:25Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 10:25Speaker 05

  We came here, like, completely naked. We came here stripped down of all ego.

• 10:31Laci Mosley?

  Y'all are just naming TV shows, This Is Us, Naked and Afraid.

• 10:34Speaker 05

  I, I didn't say I was afraid, never scared.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  No.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 10:39Speaker 05

  We out here. Cause we came here to, here's the thing. You've been reaching out to Jake Johnson for his comments for so long now and you notice how he hasn't gotten back to you.

• 10:47Laci Mosley?

  Actually have not reached out to him.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, but your producers have. Mm-hmm. And, and, and I think that's troubling. I think that says something about, about them. You see, on our podcast, we're a science podcast, so we only speak the facts.

• 10:58Laci Mosley?

  You're a science podcast.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. Number one science podcast.

• 11:02Laci Mosley?

  The description that you sent to me was the morning after. A podcast that discusses life, relationships, and most importantly, what they did last night. Where's the scientific method in that?

• 11:13Speaker 05

  Silly Negro, can I explain what science is? Yeah, let him do it.

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  Wow, I'm being mansplained of what science is.

• 11:19Speaker 05

  As a man, I must tell it to you like this.

• 11:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 11:24Speaker 05

  In life, there is life. In life, there is DNA. DNA is science.

• 11:32Laci Mosley?

  What is this accent?

• 11:33Speaker 05

  Man-splaining.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  In life, this is accent?

• 11:37Speaker 05

  That's just, that's German. That's Germanic or something, what you just did. I did it as a man.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  I feel like we did the same thing. But I'm just saying, I, I'm not exactly sure by the end of the podcast, I hope that we can circle back and you'll have some time to think about your answers.

• 11:52Speaker 05

  Can I just be-

• 11:53Laci Mosley?

  Maybe consort with your people, call some PR. I feel like that's necessary now because the answers are damning that you've given.

• 12:00Speaker 05

  No, can I just be real about his podcast? I, I really, I really do mean this.

• 12:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 12:04Speaker 05

  The whole, I can tell you exactly how the beef started and why he would say some malicious shit like that. We, Jake, the fans have been asking to do a new girl reunion. For, for, for a long time. Jake has been the one to, to reject that idea because Jake-

• 12:20Laci Mosley?

  Him alone.

• 12:21Speaker 05

  Every time, every offer denied. It's, it's out there. All the media outlets have covered it. Zoe recently just said she'd love to, but people's schedules, Jake, Jake, Jake's schedule. You know what I mean?

• 12:33Laci Mosley?

  What if it really was scheduling?

• 12:35Speaker 05

  It's only, but it's Jake. Jake ain't got no job right now.

• 12:38Laci Mosley?

  I think he has a job, a very successful podcast.

• 12:41Speaker 05

  When's the last, he, he, which he does once a week and it's behind a paywall. He does 30 minutes a week. You mean to tell me you ain't got the rest of your, the rest of your time? You can't support the fans that support you?

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Crazy talk.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  Podcasting is not as easy as people think.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  I do two podcasts and I'm, and a television series.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 13:00Speaker 05

  And I gotta walk around with that Emmy hanging around my motherfucking diamond ass train.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  Talk your shit.

• 13:04Speaker 05

  And I got hoes all over the place.

• 13:06Laci Mosley?

  No one told you to hang the Emmy around your neck.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  But I don't know how to take it off the thing.

• 13:10Laci Mosley?

  I know you're a jeweler and they were like, this is not safe.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  No, it's on a fat Cuban.

• 13:16Laci Mosley?

  They were worried about your scoliosis.

• 13:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just saw, I mean, it is scoliosis, but I've corrected that. Cause I sleep on bamboo.

• 13:24Laci Mosley?

  And now we're getting into the holistic grift and it's a lot. I just wanna say, look, I do a podcast. I also do two television shows.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 13:32Laci Mosley?

  One that is mine, one that is for

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 13:35Laci Mosley?

  Boeing Dutch for Fox. I also promote my book.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 13:38Laci Mosley?

  All came out this year.

• 13:39Speaker 05

  Thank you. So it's doable, right?

• 13:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh goodness, you've caught me.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. So you can do it. So Jake having a 30 minute show once a week.

• 13:48Laci Mosley?

  Jake has work like balance. It's giving European.

• 13:51Speaker 05

  Well, he is European.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  And he has a co-host, so he only has to work half the amount. It's a joke.

• 13:57Speaker 05

  You know what?

• 13:58Speaker 04

  Do you wanna break down the science on this?

• 13:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yes.

• 14:00Speaker 04

  Cause we won best science podcast of 2029.

• 14:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 14:03Laci Mosley?

  By who?

• 14:05Speaker 04

  Barbra Streisand.

• 14:06Laci Mosley?

  Famous scientist Barbra Streisand.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. The rest of the scientists out there that you may know are jokes.

• 14:13Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  Neil deGrasse Tyson, joke.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Joke.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  P D Pablo, joke.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Joke.

• 14:18Laci Mosley?

  I agree with you on that one.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Bobby DiBucco, joke.

• 14:21Speaker 05

  Joke.

• 14:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, what about Bill Nye?

• 14:23Speaker 05

  Science guy? Fuck that dude.

• 14:25Laci Mosley?

  His name is Science Guy. His, his first name is Bill Nye. His sec, his last name is Science Guy.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  That's just cause it rhymes. I'm not gonna lie to you. That dude is a fucking asshole.

• 14:33Laci Mosley?

  That's his name.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Only real scientists, us and Ms. Frizz from Magic School Bus. Everyone else fake.

• 14:39Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I, I will agree. I, I did love Ms. Frizzle and I think she traumatized those children by making them small all the time and putting them through intestines. That wasn't right.

• 14:47Speaker 05

  No, well.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  She put them through a lot, way more. We, we broke it down.

• 14:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  On the La Morning After every Wednesday.

• 14:53Speaker 05

  She once had them kids jizzed on by a sea, by a fish. A real episode.

• 14:58Laci Mosley?

  And it was educate, okay, they were eggs.

• 15:01Speaker 05

  No, those kids.

• 15:01Laci Mosley?

  We call fish jizz caviar.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  Really?

• 15:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  We just be eating black semen?

• 15:07Speaker 04

  No, I never put that in my mouth.

• 15:09Laci Mosley?

  Well, that is lady, it's lady eggs.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  That's not jizz.

• 15:12Laci Mosley?

  More like embriar.

• 15:13Speaker 05

  Yes, that does.

• 15:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, instead of caviar, it's like embriar.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  A little French accent on the end.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  Anyways, let's get to the podcast.

• 15:20Speaker 05

  I'mma bust this, I'mma bust this egg all over your face. That doesn't, that doesn't make a lick of sense.

• 15:25Laci Mosley?

  You're validating we're here to help so much. And this was the opportunity for you to clear the air.

• 15:29Speaker 05

  I did, I thought I did.

• 15:30Laci Mosley?

  I thought you were gonna come with love and light. That's what you said before we got on the podcast. You were coming with love and light.

• 15:35Speaker 05

  Come with something else.

• 15:36Laci Mosley?

  You said when they go low, we go.

• 15:39Speaker 05

  Low.

• 15:39Laci Mosley?

  High.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  Lower.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Lower, yeah.

• 15:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  We work on our pliability, our flexibility.

• 15:47Laci Mosley?

  So that you can go to hell. When they go low, you go to hell.

• 15:51Speaker 05

  Not such a bad place, I hear. It's got a bad rep.

• 15:57Speaker 05

  You know, you do whatever you want down there.

• 15:59Laci Mosley?

  This expression is terrifying.

• 16:01Speaker 04

  The tan.

• 16:02Laci Mosley?

  It's too good, Lamorne. Okay, we see why you got your Emmy. Okay, Denzel, calm down. Calm down.

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• 17:25Speaker 08

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• 17:36Speaker 07

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• 17:41Speaker 09

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• 17:47Speaker 07

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• 18:10Laci Mosley?

  So we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run any scams that are past the statute of limitations? Because we don't want the F to be an I knocking on your door. Y'all are high-profile people. So it can be anything, and either of you can start if something comes to mind.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  You got anything?

• 18:30Laci Mosley?

  I mean, other than the scam of your podcast beefing with, other than the morning after beefing with We're Here to Help.

• 18:37Speaker 05

  I reject that. I reject that.

• 18:39Laci Mosley?

  Another scam.

• 18:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, We're Here to Help is a scam.

• 18:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 18:43Speaker 05

  Huge scam.

• 18:44Laci Mosley?

  But what's another scam?

• 18:45Speaker 05

  What's a different scam?

• 18:45Laci Mosley?

  Like a real one.

• 18:46Speaker 05

  Other than We're Here to Help.

• 18:48Laci Mosley?

  Like a real scam.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  I know, so like a real scam, other than We're Here to Help scamming people.

• 18:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 05

  Besides that one, okay. You know, I don't have a big relationship. I've always been an honest person, never had to scam anybody. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I've always made people money. I've always put people in positions to win.

• 19:05Laci Mosley?

  Do you think making people money is a scam?

• 19:07Speaker 05

  No, I'm saying I did the opposite.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you don't have to be a scammer to live in this world of scams happening to you.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay.

• 19:14Laci Mosley?

  I wasn't asking you to divulge your criminal past.

• 19:16Speaker 05

  Well, you said, have you ever, what's your relationship? Have you ever scammed? Have you been scammed? So I'm saying I'm eliminating haven't scammed, and here's why.

• 19:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 19:24Speaker 05

  Because I'm the exact opposite.

• 19:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  People have tried to scam. In fact, you know, when I was a child, I went to a school called Wilson Elementary. It's in Bellwood, Illinois. I was a wee one, I was a kid. We had this teacher and basketball coach named Mr. Motley.

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Mr. Motley.

• 19:45Speaker 05

  Mr. And he was the man. In fact, we would have.

• 19:48Laci Mosley?

  What did he teach, history?

• 19:50Speaker 05

  I don't know what that nigga taught.

• 19:51Laci Mosley?

  Science, social studies?

• 19:52Speaker 05

  Basketball.

• 19:53Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so if he taught basketball, then he had one of those free bird classes like social studies?

• 19:57Speaker 05

  Possibly.

• 19:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Speaker 05

  Possibly, but this dude, this dude was so cool. He had the, the, the nineties hair that had, that came up a little bit and had the, like, the, the waves, like the slick back waves, the little high top.

• 20:09Laci Mosley?

  It was a high top fade, but it also was a Jerry curl?

• 20:12Speaker 05

  Like a Jerry curl. It was like, uh, like.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  It was a Jerry fade?

• 20:15Speaker 05

  Like he would have been in an R and B group back then with like no sleeves, just vest.

• 20:19Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 20:20Speaker 05

  You know what I'm saying?

• 20:21Laci Mosley?

  Singing in the rain. Now, are we?

• 20:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, and he would do this a lot. I had that same haircut back then, too.

• 20:25Laci Mosley?

  But was it, but was it like one of the DeBarge's kinda cuts or was it like?

• 20:28Speaker 05

  It was DeBarge-esque, but he was dark skinned. It was, it was, it was Blair Underwood. Oh.

• 20:33Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 20:34Speaker 05

  Mr. Motley looked like Blair Underwood.

• 20:35Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  In his prime.

• 20:37Laci Mosley?

  Um, Blair Underwood, I'm so sorry, cuz that haircut sounds like something.

• 20:42Speaker 05

  But you know, it like, uh, you know, real cool. Just, just, just imagine.

• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  Can we pull up Blair Underwood in the nineties? Continue your story, Lamorne.

• 20:48Speaker 05

  So he, um, uh, so what he did was, um, he like, we would have the lunch tables in the cafeteria, which is also doubling as the gym, right? And you see right there, that black and white one right there at the bottom left? Mm-hmm. Like that. That's nice, yeah. The waves going back. That's nice.

• 21:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, this is when black men would get perms and they would call it texturize.

• 21:10Speaker 05

  The texturizer, yeah, that shit would burn your head, stick your head in the toilet.

• 21:14Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay, okay. So he was cool.

• 21:16Speaker 05

  That was Mr. Motley, right there.

• 21:17Laci Mosley?

  Add that, add that to the, uh, photo wheel for this episode. Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  Bathrobe and everything? Bathrobe and everything. Mr. Motley came to school to fuck, which is.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  That's not what we want.

• 21:30Laci Mosley?

  Maybe the other teachers, hopefully?

• 21:32Speaker 05

  Possibly. I don't know what, honestly, when I tell you what he did, I don't, I don't know. Oh, yeah, tell us, tell us.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  So, yeah, scam. The, where, where is the scam in this?

• 21:40Speaker 05

  So here is the scam. It's coming, it's coming. Basketball coach, teacher, Blair Underwood, came to school to fuck. Turns out, years later, I had moved, I'm on the south side of Chicago, I'm a much older news report on television. This guy, Mr. Motley, has been posing as a schoolteacher for a very, very long time. Turns out, he was a criminal, and he had stolen someone's identity and had taken up many jobs.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 22:07Speaker 05

  And mainly around the kids. Now, I don't know. You can go look it up.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  That's a scam.

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  You had me in the first half of like, he stole an identity and then he was like, I'm gonna use this to get employed. But you lost me on the second half, around kids. No, now it's a nasty, nasty person.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  He was, I don't know what he did with these kids. You know, sure, he used to, we used to have like private lessons. I'm just saying, he taught me a lot. He taught me a lot. But I don't know if that was okay back then.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  No, you got scammed.

• 22:39Speaker 05

  I got scammed.

• 22:39Laci Mosley?

  I think there's a, I think there's like more than scam happening there.

• 22:44Speaker 05

  No, I mean, we used to wrestle.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  He was a wrestling coach?

• 22:48Laci Mosley?

  This is a comedy podcast. You are so dark, Lamorne. Jesus Christ.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  I got two scams. I got two scams. Okay, the Girl Scouts scam.

• 22:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  We see those girls one time a year. They sell a shitload of cookies, make a lot of money, and then where are they the rest of the year?

• 23:05Laci Mosley?

  They're in the woods getting badges.

• 23:07Speaker 04

  It's not real. That is fake.

• 23:09Laci Mosley?

  They gotta make fires. Like, when it comes down to it, like, when the apocalypse hits, I'm finding the Girl Scouts.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  The Girl Scouts are gonna save you?

• 23:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they're gonna know which berries you can eat, poison.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  They don't even know what cookies to eat. That shit got lead in it.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:22Laci Mosley?

  They just hack in the cookies. Okay, that's just.

• 23:25Speaker 04

  You should be able to see, of all people, you know the scams.

• 23:28Laci Mosley?

  So you don't like a tag along, is what you're telling me?

• 23:30Speaker 04

  No, I like the shortbread ones, but.

• 23:32Laci Mosley?

  Shortbread? Oh, my goodness. That's like the Popeye's biscuit of cookies.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  Ooh, yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  What's wrong with a Popeye's biscuit?

• 23:37Speaker 05

  It's dry as hell, bruh.

• 23:38Laci Mosley?

  It's dry.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's why you put honey on it.

• 23:39Laci Mosley?

  Are you drinking enough water? Is your throat lubricated? You could really, you could really do some harm on a shortbread.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Here's my other scam. And this one has been affecting me for a long time, and this is probably the platform to say it.

• 23:54Speaker 05

  Blue chew?

• 23:54Speaker 04

  No.

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  Those work. This scam is sauce packets, okay?

• 24:01Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  Big Sauce has been scamming us for so long. It's, it's, it's really a joke because

• 24:07Laci Mosley?

  Big Sauce.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  When is the last time someone used a ketchup packet and then went, oh wow, that was the perfect amount of ketchup? Never, never, because some exec decided that like seven grams was the perfect amount of ketchup, which is not.

• 24:21Speaker 05

  That's not enough ketchup. You gotta go through a lot of ketchup.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  And, and I know what I'm talking about because I went to BU. I went to Boston University for four years. I studied psychology, so I'm right in there. I know what I'm talking about.

• 24:30Laci Mosley?

  So they taught you at BU when you were studying psychology that they were gonna give just a little less ketchup?

• 24:38Speaker 04

  We are being scammed by Big Sauce cartels.

• 24:41Speaker 05

  It goes deeper than that. It goes deeper than that.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  Tell them, dude.

• 24:44Speaker 05

  United States government, here's what they do with the welfare state. They dangle just enough for you to, to suck off the government's teat. Big Sauce wants you sucking off their teat so you can keep begging for more sauce.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:55Speaker 05

  And the sauceless can't do shit for themselves. So what do you do? You gotta locate the sauce boss. Hey boss, can I get more sauce? And he gonna say, what you gonna do for it? And before you know it, you're in classroom 1A with Mr. Motley trying to figure out.

• 25:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, we're not bringing it back to that. But I do agree with you, like you used to get more sauce packets. Like shout out to Taco Bell, which is a sauce beneficiary to the drunk community.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:22Laci Mosley?

  If you ask for some fire, they like, I'm gonna give you 67 of these. Like you'll never want for fire sauce again. Like they, they know, they know what's up. I feel like they're the Robin Hood. We should champion them, like we should buy their merch. Because Chick-fil-A didn't got stingy with the sauce.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  McDonald's, I used to get it.

• 25:40Laci Mosley?

  They like, oh, what size, what size nuggets did you get?

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Three sweet and sour packets.

• 25:44Laci Mosley?

  You can have two sauces.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Now they charge for sweet and sour packets.

• 25:47Speaker 05

  Who charges for sweet and sour?

• 25:48Speaker 04

  McDonald's.

• 25:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Chick-fil-A does too. If you go beyond what they think your dippable level is in your order, then you have to pay more. So let's say you get an eight count nugget. That means your maximum sauce is two sauces. You gotta pay more if you want more Polynesian. Cause they're like, what are you doing drinking it? And now they sell it by the little, you can get it in the little.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  You can get it in like the ketchup, like the little ketchup like bottle.

• 26:12Laci Mosley?

  They're like, you saucy bitch. You just wanna drink it. You do turn it up, you put it in your cocktails.

• 26:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, maybe.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  The Polynesian one's a little iffy for me because I don't want to like appropriate people's sauces. So I just stick to sweet and sour.

• 26:25Speaker 05

  But that's.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  But you're right, because they don't know how hard I dip.

• 26:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 04

  And when I dip, I go all the way in.

• 26:30Laci Mosley?

  You're a slatherer.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  We dip. Full nugget, the whole nugget.

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  Whole nugget, it's dripping, okay, yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Like a bird, I just kind of drop it in just to make sure I didn't get any on my shirt.

• 26:40Laci Mosley?

  You might be the reason that they downgraded how much sauce they were giving.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  No, I'm a gold card carrying member of McDonald's.

• 26:46Speaker 05

  If McDonald's ain't careful, they gonna lose a good one.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  They gonna lose a real one.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  And once you lose me, you lose me for life.

• 26:52Speaker 05

  That's right, he gonna switch over Burger King, keep your phones open.

• 26:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, I never want to have it their way.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  Really?

• 26:57Laci Mosley?

  Uh, unless they sponsor the show, Burger King sponsored the show. I love Burger King.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  She submissive to his head for life.

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  Flame broil, flame broil.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:06Speaker 05

  Flame broil, where you from? You from Chicago?

• 27:09Laci Mosley?

  Hell, no.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  Just look this up, can you tell us where she's from, Jess? Thank you.

• 27:14Laci Mosley?

  Now you talking to Jess, they have taken over, Lamorne's on the computer, Kyle's over here giving.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Taking notes?

• 27:21Laci Mosley?

  Taking notes and giving orders to my producer, Jess, you don't work for him. See, this is such white man behavior.

• 27:26Speaker 04

  Whoa, whoa, oh, no, no, no.

• 27:29Laci Mosley?

  Starts telling everybody what to do.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  I'm half Cuban, I am half Cuban.

• 27:34Laci Mosley?

  Cubans are still white, some of them.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  I'm a fellow POC, come on, man, come on.

• 27:39Laci Mosley?

  And then there's white Coanos.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  Are you from Texas?

• 27:41Laci Mosley?

  Mira que we.

• 27:42Speaker 05

  Shout out to Texas.

• 27:43Laci Mosley?

  Same Texas. Hmm, listen, don't mess with Texas. So, let's get into historic hoodwinks, you know, because y'all are killing me. Um, so, we don't scam our journalists here.

• 27:56Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 27:57Laci Mosley?

  This story was primarily reported by Mary Pylon in her 2024 New York Times article, "The Broken Promises of a Table Tennis Olympian." And historic hoodwinks is all about regaling Kyle and Lamorne with a famous con caper group of criminals, and we decide if we like them or not, you know what I mean? And like, I'll get your opinions all throughout. But this story starts with a Jamaican Olympic table tennis player.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  Let me just, scam, scam already. Because I'm like.

• 28:29Laci Mosley?

  No, look, Michael Hyatt, look at him.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, scam.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  First of all, why not Jimmy Akon?

• 28:34Speaker 04

  Scam.

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  Why not? Waggon.

• 28:35Speaker 05

  He don't look like it.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  Waggon.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Too light skinned, so let me.

• 28:38Laci Mosley?

  Ping pong Waggon.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  And he has no mustache. Lamorne's taught me you never trust a black man without a mustache.

• 28:44Speaker 05

  Never.

• 28:44Laci Mosley?

  Is that like some?

• 28:45Speaker 05

  That's real.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  You don't know that?

• 28:47Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  Unless they're in the military.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  You've been doing it wrong this whole time.

• 28:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:50Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I've been single for a while, so this, this makes sense.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Look at all the old TV cops from the nineties, the black ones.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  They all have mustaches. You could trust them. You could trust them.

• 28:58Laci Mosley?

  You know what? They have responsibility because you gotta get up every day and trim that mustache up and comb it down.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  And then dye it.

• 29:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Have a great pop. There's a lot of work that goes into it.

• 29:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but that says you're responsible. Says you care about yourself.

• 29:13Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  That says, you know, you wash your laundry and hang it behind.

• 29:17Speaker 05

  Or your, or your wife does it for you.

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Yeah, it's the, though, sure.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  Sometimes.

• 29:22Speaker 05

  Let's just be honest. Back then, different time.

• 29:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, when women didn't have credit cards, we were trapped. So.

• 29:29Laci Mosley?

  But, okay, so, and he's, he's, well, he's giving tennis to me. He's humped down. He's in the, you know, position.

• 29:35Speaker 05

  First of all, he's, he's not in the right, uh, position. His hand is not holding the paddle the correct way.

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's the, he, it's a.

• 29:41Speaker 05

  His pointer finger's supposed to be like this.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  It's an over aggressive photograph that he's using.

• 29:45Laci Mosley?

  How do you hold a paddle?

• 29:46Speaker 05

  Like this. Your hand's supposed to be like that.

• 29:48Laci Mosley?

  One finger?

• 29:49Speaker 05

  One finger right there.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, you never keep your finger on the trigger.

• 29:52Speaker 05

  If you have it like this.

• 29:53Speaker 04

  That's like day one.

• 29:55Speaker 05

  This is, this is to stabilize that whole piece.

• 29:57Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  Cause if you go like this, it's a little, it's, it's, it's not taking your, you know what I'm saying? When you go like this, I know exactly where that bitch going.

• 30:04Laci Mosley?

  You know where it's going.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, cause you can.

• 30:06Laci Mosley?

  So if you're saying I was gonna aim, like, straight to this mirror right here.

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:12Laci Mosley?

  And I aim with the tennis ball and I, and I don't, uh, just paddle. And I don't use the finger method. I don't use the finger method. Just out here willy nilly.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:23Laci Mosley?

  It's not gonna hit. Let's see. Okay. Let's see if I wanna hit serious.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:29Laci Mosley?

  Which serious?

• 30:30Speaker 05

  You could try and hit this. I'll catch it.

• 30:32Laci Mosley?

  Let's see. What do I wanna hit?

• 30:33Speaker 05

  Hit the lens.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  I wanna hit scam goddess up there.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 30:36Laci Mosley?

  It's a light ball. I'm not gonna break nothing, right? Just, we, we weren't here today, so. We weren't here today. Alright, so ping pong, hit the scam goddess.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Let's see it.

• 30:47Laci Mosley?

  And I'm doing it without the finger method that y'all said is the method.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  It won't work.

• 30:50Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Let's see.

• 30:54Laci Mosley?

  I can't believe I'm hitting my own face.

• 30:57Speaker 05

  But that's also a really big target, just that far.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  My mama said having a big head is good for TV.

• 31:02Speaker 05

  I wasn't talking about your head, I'm talking about them, the screen.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  See? Didn't work, not even close, not even close.

• 31:09Laci Mosley?

  Now I'm gonna try the finger method y'all are talking about.

• 31:11Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 31:12Laci Mosley?

  Finger.

• 31:12Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 31:13Laci Mosley?

  Cause it's also, could be just I have bad aim. Okay. Here we go. See, I still miss this.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Better, see it was better.

• 31:21Laci Mosley?

  It wasn't better!

• 31:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was better, for sure.

• 31:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna do one more, for science.

• 31:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 31:26Laci Mosley?

  Cause clearly that's what y'all know about on y'all's podcast, Bill and Morning After.

• 31:31Speaker 05

  Thank you for saying so, that means a lot.

• 31:32Laci Mosley?

  No!

• 31:33Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna lie to you.

• 31:34Speaker 04

  You're getting worse.

• 31:34Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna lie to you, we do run a science podcast, and right now scientifically we can see what's going on with you.

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  And what is that?

• 31:40Speaker 05

  You're a few marbles short of a full marble jar.

• 31:43Laci Mosley?

  You know what? Now I'm mad.

• 31:46Speaker 05

  You...

• 31:46Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it without your thing. Yes, I ran track, I played volleyball, I was a cheerleader.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  Yes you was.

• 31:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  I'm gonna, can I, can I?

• 31:58Speaker 04

  I'm gonna need a, I'm gonna need a yearbook with actual proof of this.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  Alright, Lamorne, what, what's your target? What are you hitting?

• 32:06Laci Mosley?

  Are there any more balls? Ah! Were you trying to hit me?

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Right down the barrel, I hit the lens.

• 32:12Laci Mosley?

  No, we're not trying to hit our camera equipment.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  I hit the lens.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  That was an ace.

• 32:15Laci Mosley?

  You have to say what you want to hit before...

• 32:17Speaker 05

  Fine, you pick something.

• 32:18Laci Mosley?

  Hit, hit Kyle's hand.

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Try. I'm literally Peter Parker, I will catch it.

• 32:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 32:24Speaker 05

  You... He moved his hand.

• 32:26Laci Mosley?

  He did move his hand.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  No, you can't say any noise in the backswing, that's what messed him up.

• 32:30Laci Mosley?

  That's not a thing.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  You spoke in the backswing.

• 32:32Speaker 05

  I hit, I was about to hit the, I hit...

• 32:33Laci Mosley?

  This is not golf. You don't have to be quiet during... I'm just saying, I don't know if y'all's finger method is accurate.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  You know how long I've been using this finger?

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  What finger?

• 32:43Speaker 05

  This one?

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  Okay. I'm gonna say to wag at people.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Since the third grade.

• 32:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness, anyways, so y'all said he holds the tennis racket wrong, I don't think that we...

• 32:54Speaker 05

  The paddle.

• 32:55Laci Mosley?

  I don't think we debunked that theory, y'all are scientists, so I expected more of you, but we didn't get that.

• 33:00Speaker 05

  And he's resting on his knee, you gotta be agile. You gotta be agile. He's not ready.

• 33:05Laci Mosley?

  Maybe he's in running stance, like.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  He's not it. He's not the one.

• 33:09Laci Mosley?

  So, his name is Michael Hyatt, and he was dubbed the Usain Bolt of tennis due to his confident attitude. Hmm, so y'all played him down. But Michael used all that confidence and ping pong clout to scam women out of a whole bunch of money.

• 33:23Speaker 05

  What?

• 33:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  He was scamming women using ping pong? Wow, what the hell?

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  So, table tennis fame. Michael Hyatt wasn't a big deal at, in the Olympic table tennis world, but he got to participate.

• 33:38Speaker 05

  Oh, they gave him a participation.

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  Think about it. Getting to the Olympics, period, is a flex.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've been there, been there.

• 33:45Laci Mosley?

  To the Olympics?

• 33:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:47Laci Mosley?

  Playing something?

• 33:48Speaker 05

  You don't do your research, do you?

• 33:50Laci Mosley?

  You were an Olympic athlete?

• 33:51Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 33:52Laci Mosley?

  You run?

• 33:53Speaker 05

  No. I mean, I did run, but I didn't make the Olympics, running.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  The Belize national team?

• 33:58Speaker 05

  The Belizean national team. This most recent Olympics I competed in.

• 34:03Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  Breakdancing.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Is it okay if I take notes?

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you don't have to ask anymore, Kyle. You haven't asked anything the whole time.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 34:11Laci Mosley?

  So, I can't believe anything you guys say. That's why I'm siding right now. I'm still siding with.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  Look up me in, uh.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  So, you're telling me ping pong is that big in Jamaica that this, this guy made a whole camp?

• 34:23Laci Mosley?

  Bobsled team, that was the thing.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  They did.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  That's believable.

• 34:26Speaker 05

  They did, they did.

• 34:27Laci Mosley?

  So, he finished thirty-third in men's singles at the nineteen ninety-two games in Barcelona and forty-ninth at the nineteen ninety-six games in Atlanta, Georgia. So, I mean, he does come from Jamaica, so maybe there's not a lot of Jamaican ping pong teams.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Same, Nick?

• 34:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he looked, he got a little thicker later, but that seems like the same guy.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  That's Grant Hill, no?

• 34:47Speaker 05

  That is Grant Hill.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  He played for the Pistons.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  That dude right there.

• 34:53Laci Mosley?

  He was like Michael Jordan. He had another sports passion.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh. Alright.

• 34:59Laci Mosley?

  Michael Jordan loved baseball, and Grant Hill also loved the Olympic Games.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  And his son loves the cocaine.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, shout out Marcus Jordan.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  So, he may not have been the star player, but Michael was at least well-liked in the close-knit table tennis community until nineteen ninety-six. Hmm, what happened?

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, what happened in ninety six?

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  Michael may have hosted a tournament in Georgia and did not pay the fifteen thousand dollar prize money that he had promised. So he went to Georgia, land of the scammers, highest GDP of scams.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  You're born really?

• 35:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And he hosted a tournament, say, y'all, put your money up, join this tennis tournament. Obviously, he's got Olympic cred on his back, right? Because you see him at the Olympics, he's not finishing high, but he was there.

• 35:43Speaker 05

  He was there. He was there.

• 35:46Laci Mosley?

  He could have been like, let me hold your gold medal for a second, I want to take a picture, and then put that on his, you know?

• 35:50Speaker 05

  I knew a guy, I knew a guy who did that. I knew a guy, not the gold medal, but, uh, with my Emmy.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, Terrell Pierce. Terrell Pierce, uh, very famous scammer.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  Um, you guys look him up. I follow him still, just so I can do some moments like this.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  He has a movie called The Color of Me on Amazon?

• 36:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, The Color of Me, one of his films that he has, epic film, but he's a scammer. Emmy night, he was walking around, holding my Emmy, taking photos with people, people who-

• 36:18Laci Mosley?

  You gave him your Emmy?

• 36:19Speaker 05

  I just, I was busy, I was running around, I said-

• 36:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, people do do that. I have photos with people's Emmys.

• 36:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you know what he was doing, and this is gonna come off the wrong way, I don't, uh, you know, at the time, there are, like, people look at black actors sometimes and they go, oh, they all look alike, you know? And they saw him with the Emmy, figured he was me, and was like, oh, let's take a picture with him. And no one questioned him, when he kept saying he is Lamorne Morris. And I'm talking, he took photos with cast members of-

• 36:48Laci Mosley?

  Cast members?

• 36:49Speaker 05

  He's got-

• 36:49Speaker 04

  Of other shows?

• 36:51Speaker 05

  Other shows, Shogun in particular.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  He got the whole Shogun lineup.

• 36:55Speaker 05

  Shogun in particular, and they're, think they're with me, and put they're with him.

• 37:00Laci Mosley?

  Was it a doppelganger of you? Did he look like you at all?

• 37:03Speaker 05

  He's just black.

• 37:04Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 37:05Speaker 05

  He don't look nothing like me.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  That's why we say sometimes it'll be your own people, it's crazy.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you gotta start saying like, I'm Dunzeal and I'm not out of retirement.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Don't worry. People sometimes think I'm Michael B. Jordan, but that's different. That's just based off of sex appeal and looks and physical gifts.

• 37:23Laci Mosley?

  Then in 1999, he wasn't permitted to travel with the Jamaican national team due to poor disciplinary records at previous tournaments. All we know is that he'd been sent home early from the Central America Caribbean Games because of misbehavior.

• 37:39Speaker 05

  He kept calling people bumbacots.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  He was serving his balls. That's what he was doing in the Olympian hotel.

• 37:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. Not serving his balls. I heard that's what they do at the Olympic camps.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  They got so many condoms.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  It's freaky.

• 37:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they give them a lot of condoms.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  It's in the goodie bag when you get there. It's like your hotel key card condom.

• 37:58Laci Mosley?

  I honestly kind of understand that because these are people who are working their bodies out to the absolute max. They can't do drugs. They can't drink alcohol. Like, what is the release other than... And everybody's got, like, the best body.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Thank you for saying that about me. I don't want to talk about that, though, right now.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. But you know what they pass... Also, people don't be using them condoms. Because you know what they pass out more than medals at the Olympics? STDs. They be out there.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Serving itches and scratches.

• 38:25Laci Mosley?

  We do not want that.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  This guy was pulling the scam.

• 38:27Laci Mosley?

  I was hoping you were gonna say babies. That's sweet. You leave with an Olympic baby.

• 38:33Speaker 05

  Any Olympic stories out there with people having kids? No. Any Olympic stories out there with people having chlamydia?

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• 40:39Laci Mosley?

  At front! All right, so you can tell Lamorne and Kyle are hilarious. And I want to tell you about a HeadGum video podcast I think you're gonna love, The Lamorning After with Lamorne Morris and Kyle Shevren. Y'all, in The Lamorning After, Emmy-winning actor and comedian Lamorne Morris from The New Girl, Fargo, come on, y'all know who he is, is joined by his best friend, writer-director Kyle Shevren, along with a rotating cast of celebrity guests to discuss life, relationships, and most importantly, what they did last night. Check out past episodes with special guests like Glenn Powell, Jake Johnson, Damon Wayans Jr., Josh Gad, Shigeru Zameda, Hannah Simone, and more.

• 41:22Laci Mosley?

  Subscribe to The Lamorning After on YouTube to watch new episodes weekly. You can also listen to new episodes wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes drop every Wednesday. Now let's get back to the ping ponging. So Michael starts side hustling at this point. In 1998, now living in Georgia, he started a computer company side hustle called E Jam IT Solutions. So he's moved on from ping pong grifts and prize tournaments and trying to be on the Jamaican Olympic team. And they kicked him off because misbehavior, but they never said what the misbehavior was. Like they, I guess it was too embarrassing what it was.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  That accent, was that Brad Pitt in Metro Black?

• 42:06Laci Mosley?

  No, that was like Chet Hanks.

• 42:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was Chet Hanks, okay, yeah, yeah.

• 42:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, wakwan, they were like, we can't tell you, wakwan, we not add that.

• 42:15Speaker 05

  Wakwan brethren.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  So four years later, at least five schools in Jamaica ordered 150 computers from E Jam. And paid the down payments for several thousand dollars. But the computers, what do you think happened to the computers?

• 42:34Speaker 05

  They never, you said who paid this money, this down payment? He did?

• 42:36Laci Mosley?

  So remember, he started E Jam IT Solutions.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  And people paid?

• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  Five, at least five schools in Jamaica ordered 150 computers from him.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Does people, those, those computers showed up with no screens or just didn't show up at all?

• 42:50Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say they, they got lost in, in the delivery route. Like they were on a, on a ship coming and then the, the ship.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Down the middle passage.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  And he had a valuable excuse on why it didn't come.

• 43:01Laci Mosley?

  They just never arrived and he was MIA, no explanation. He didn't even think to send like boxes full of rocks, you know? Computer like rocks, nothing, no effort in the scam.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Oh, I got scammed like that. I just thought about that.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  Did you really?

• 43:16Laci Mosley?

  You had that TV scam?

• 43:18Speaker 05

  No, a T, a TV scam.

• 43:20Laci Mosley?

  You talking about the one where they show you the, the video box and then?

• 43:23Speaker 05

  No.

• 43:24Laci Mosley?

  Whatever it is and it's rocks.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  No, I had a guy, I had a guy who was a vetted dude. His, he was friends with, uh, I'm not gonna say who, I'm not gonna say who, but a very famous music producer. A friend of his. And this is back when I was like, kind of broke, I, you know? But we knew each other and he said, listen, gotta hook up. You don't need to know how I have this hookup, but I'm selling, you know, uh, he's like, I have sixty-five inch, fifty-five inch TVs that I give you for three hundred dollars. And I was like, oh.

• 43:51Speaker 04

  That's a good deal.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  At the time, they were thousands.

• 43:54Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 43:54Speaker 05

  So I was like, oh, yeah, let me get one. Gave him the money for two TVs. I wanted two fifty-five inch TVs for my apartment.

• 44:00Laci Mosley?

  So you went in for two. You didn't even just dip a toe for one.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  He was vetted.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Like our nuggets, all in.

• 44:06Speaker 05

  And.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  And that guy said this is the guy.

• 44:09Speaker 05

  Yes. And then I never got my TVs. Never.

• 44:13Laci Mosley?

  Do you still talk to the vetted person?

• 44:14Speaker 05

  No. And I, and I remember seeing him out and about, the guy who, and I remember just being kind of confused about it. And at that point, I had a good job and I had to make some money.

• 44:22Laci Mosley?

  I wonder if that, the guy, the guy was getting a cut off of just the credibility of.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  The guy had millions of dollars. I'm like, why are you hustling people for hundreds?

• 44:29Laci Mosley?

  People are stingy.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  But you saw him again, you said.

• 44:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I saw the other guy.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  And you bring it up?

• 44:34Speaker 05

  It was, we were in a group of people. We were at some like show. And I remember in a circle talking, and I kept looking at this guy like, he looks so familiar. I'm like, who, I know this guy from somewhere. And then I said, hey, man, we met before. And he was like this, yeah, man, long time ago we met. And the moment this motherfucker started talking, I'm shaking his hand like this and I, and I, and it came to me and I said, hey, where the fuck my TV's at? And he was like, yeah, man, we're gonna, uh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hear, I hear, I hear you.

• 45:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, I'll get back to you. Hit my assistant.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  A lot happened. He goes, a lot happened. Trust me, it was a crazy thing. And, and then, and I'm in a group, I'm in a group setting. So I don't want to like.

• 45:11Laci Mosley?

  Do too much.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  Do too much? And I'm just like this, yeah, man. You know, I don't need the money, but I want, I want them TVs.

• 45:18Speaker 04

  Standard, standard delivery, ten to twelve years.

• 45:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I had been scammed before. And then, remember that talent agency? Yeah, they scammed me out of six figures. Still wait no money.

• 45:30Laci Mosley?

  Jesus.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  Robbed me. Sorry, go ahead.

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  But honestly, sometimes people like have gambling debts or other things going on and they can purport that they're rich and they're not. That's why you would get involved with a scammer and use your name to build your clout and your money. Like, that makes sense to me.

• 45:46Speaker 05

  Didn't White Clef do that? With the Haitian earthquake relief fund.

• 45:50Laci Mosley?

  Listen, y'all not gonna get me in trouble. So in 2003, Michael was charged with a felony after being accused of floating bad checks and was ordered to pay restitution on a separate charge of fraud. So it did catch up to him a little bit, right?

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Is he in the States when this is happening? Where is he? He's still in Jamaica?

• 46:09Laci Mosley?

  He was selling them computers to Jamaica, Jamaica, and they never made it, I mean.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Then he came back to the States.

• 46:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, then he came back to the States. So while this period marked the beginning of Michael's criminal behavior, he soon discovered romance fraud was more his style.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  Oh, now I'm really listening.

• 46:26Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I can't sell fake computers. Like, that's not working out for me because then the girls are like, where are the computers? And I can't provide them. And, you know, that's very sticky, so I'm gonna move on. So in 2005, Michael relocated to Northern California. That's where he began meeting women online and conning them into investing into a business idea, a ping pong social club called Pong Nation.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  Pong Nation, wow.

• 46:52Laci Mosley?

  There's a fever.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Nation. So he went back to his roots.

• 46:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he had to go back to his roots.

• 46:57Speaker 04

  This scam goes full circle back to ping pong.

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  Eat, pray, scam.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Is it okay if I take notes?

• 47:03Laci Mosley?

  Keep taking those notes. So essentially.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  You say pog nation?

• 47:09Laci Mosley?

  Pong, ping pong.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  P A W G nation.

• 47:12Laci Mosley?

  Y'all can spare. Okay, so essentially, it's just a version of Susan Sarandon's Spin franchise that she founded in New York City.

• 47:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've been.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  Have you really?

• 47:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, Spin. Yeah, I played ping pong there. I told you I'm nice.

• 47:26Laci Mosley?

  You are nice. You were nice upstairs a little bit. I mean, you were beating me up, but you were nice.

• 47:30Speaker 05

  Which is not okay.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  And I didn't lie about that. Which is how you know I'm not lying about we're here to help being a scam.

• 47:36Laci Mosley?

  Okay, circling it back, yes. But Susan Sarandon had Spin with a lowercase i, cute. And she founded that in New York City. So Michael's MO first was to tell online dates about his Olympic prowess, which he could prove because he was in the Olympics. He was 93 or whatever, he win, but he was there, which checked out when they Googled him, right? And then he'd woo women with rides in his Escalade.

• 48:01Speaker 05

  Ooh, we got an Escalade?

• 48:03Laci Mosley?

  And pay for meals, movies, and you know, movies are a lot, honey. That's just twenty dollars to just get in the joint. And you gotta get, he getting popcorn, he getting a large freezy.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  That would have worked on me.

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? He getting the mic and the Ike.

• 48:18Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. I've been in the movies. When I was a kid, I used to go to the movies all the time with Mr. Motley. And let me tell you something.

• 48:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm not doing this. He would get nerds on the rope.

• 48:28Speaker 05

  Oh, cookie dough bites?

• 48:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  Don't forget those.

• 48:31Speaker 05

  There's a lot of things you can do with the nerds on the rope.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so he was rich. And he would get them groceries.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  He would, shut up.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  That's actually nice of him. That's actually thoughtful.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  Our organic parsley, the best avocados. You know what I mean?

• 48:48Speaker 05

  That's nasty work.

• 48:48Laci Mosley?

  Before quickly asking them to invest in Pong Nation. So, some women declined to invest while others took out several thousand dollars in loans. He'd also take out credit cards in their names. One of Michael's romantic targets was a single mother named Jody Cummings.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  No.

• 49:06Laci Mosley?

  Who worked two jobs and drove Uber to make ends meet.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Jody, Jody, Jody, Jody.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  That's on Jody. I'm not gonna lie, that one's on Jody.

• 49:16Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like, Jody, you don't need to be involved with no ping pong man. You ping ponging these bills, you ping ponging these credit card payments. You don't need to be ping ponging no man.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  And you a single mom too?

• 49:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  What about the kids?

• 49:29Laci Mosley?

  Who works two jobs, who loves her kids and never stops.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  My God.

• 49:32Laci Mosley?

  With a gentle hand and a heart of a fighter. You a survivor, what are you doing ping ponging?

• 49:38Speaker 04

  For a doo doo place forty-sixth in the Olympics?

• 49:40Laci Mosley?

  No. So, Jody said Michael was flashy but generous. And she was impressed when he paid for her groceries at Trader Joe's. Now, come on now, pay for my groceries at, at, um, Arowan.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  I knew you were gonna say Arowan.

• 49:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, get me a Hailey Bieber smoothie and I want one for all seven of my kids.

• 49:58Speaker 05

  It's Northern California.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  You have seven kids?

• 50:00Laci Mosley?

  No, I have no kids. But I'm talking about our queen, Jody.

• 50:04Speaker 05

  They get Arowan up north?

• 50:06Laci Mosley?

  Maybe not, but they at least got a Whole Foods.

• 50:08Speaker 05

  Whole Foods is nice.

• 50:09Laci Mosley?

  Take me to the market. Like, don't take me to Trader Joe's. I love Trader Joe's real bad, down bad. Sponsor the show. But I'm just saying, like, if you're tricking off, like, there's a difference between, like, Ruth's Chris and like.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  But what if, no, you gotta meet people where they are. You gotta meet people where they are, because that's where, what if that's, what if that was her pref- her preference was Trader Joe's?

• 50:28Laci Mosley?

  That's true, they have a lot of good food there, and a lot of good, like, snacks and stuff that you can't find anywhere. Oh, those, those corn chips.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Frozen meatballs, those are pretty good.

• 50:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, those are good. The corn chips, the samosas. Oh, they, they do have things. Okay, I'm not mad at it. And he also filled her gas tank.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  Is this a metaphor?

• 50:45Speaker 04

  This is a gentleman we're talking about.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 50:48Laci Mosley?

  It's a literal petrol.

• 50:49Speaker 05

  Oh, he filled her gas.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  This is literally, this is a good guy.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  I'm saying, besides the scam, he's a good guy.

• 50:56Laci Mosley?

  It's like, if he's being flashy, but then he's also, like, tricking off on you, get your groceries, fill your gas tank. Like, I, I don't remember the last time a man pumped my gas.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  I'm sure you're the richest person in the equation every time you go on a date.

• 51:08Laci Mosley?

  Anyways, so, before long, Michael told Jody he wanted to move closer to her in Sacramento, and took her for a tour of a four-bedroom home she assumed he had been living in alone. However, without her knowledge, Michael privately told the realtor that he and Jody planned in to move into the house together.

• 51:29Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 51:30Laci Mosley?

  He showed her the house like, baby, what do you think? Where, you want this closet, you could put your shoes there. And then this is where, uh, stepson number one will be, and stepdaughter number two will be, and then they gonna have an area to play outside. I'm the, I'm not the father, I'm the father that stepped up.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  Oh, be the father figure.

• 51:49Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. As long as I got your figures.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Oh, one hundred percent.

• 51:53Laci Mosley?

  I can be your father figure, put your tiny hands in mine, put your, it's more like, put your tiny cash in mine. Yes. So, the house purchase didn't pan out.

• 52:06Speaker 05

  What?

• 52:06Laci Mosley?

  Mm-mm, and around the same time.

• 52:08Speaker 05

  He got outbid. By Chinese company.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  B C's came in. And around the same time, Jody discovered he'd been arrested over rental cars that he didn't own.

• 52:19Speaker 05

  The Escalade was rented the whole time. From Toro? No. This man was paying ninety-seven dollars a day.

• 52:26Laci Mosley?

  You dropped that too fast and the price way too fast.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  I guess I use Toro. Yeah. When I travel around, I gotta get, I don't need to go through the CarMax and all those places. They ask too many questions.

• 52:39Laci Mosley?

  Why are you worried about those questions, Lauren? That's the bigger question.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

• 52:45Laci Mosley?

  Emmy winner, Lauren Morris. Trying to be incognito at Toro.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  I love Toro. They drop that car off right in front of your house. I ain't gotta go through all that bullshit at the airport.

• 52:55Laci Mosley?

  Lauren's going on a date and he's like, hold on, the drop off is in, the drop off is in, uh, twenty minutes.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  Nah, I don't go on out of town dates. I don't trust the city like that if I don't know it.

• 53:05Laci Mosley?

  So she, Jody, then searched through his phone and paperwork and learned some troubling info. Michael had been fired from his job, wasn't paying his rent, was receiving unemployment payments to her dress. Took out credit cards in her name without her knowledge.

• 53:23Speaker 05

  Damn. Wow. She knew.

• 53:25Laci Mosley?

  I think this is what really pissed her off. And.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  Wore her panties.

• 53:30Laci Mosley?

  I don't think, I don't think that would have made her mad. And he was pursuing other women online. So not only are you faking the funk, you got me going to see this dream house for me and we about to have a blended family.

• 53:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:47Laci Mosley?

  Like, we are a blended family. It's Michael Ping Pong Man and me. Like, come on. And he's also cheating on her.

• 53:56Speaker 05

  No, no, he was pursuing. He, he didn't, he didn't actually cheat. He pursued the cheat. He sent a text, probably a few.

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  I think she was trying to protect her ego, cuz the man already ruined her credit and put out cards in her name. She didn't clock that he didn't have money to buy a home. All of his unemployment checks were coming to her house and I, I, I want you two to give me your best, like, fuckboy explanation for why if you had unemployment checks coming to my home, that was logical, when you have your own home.

• 54:28Laci Mosley?

  Either can start. You have, I'll give you 15 seconds.

• 54:32Speaker 05

  I live in a 15-bedroom mansion, baby. But you know, when I left out of town, some vagrants, they broke in. And you know, squatters rights in these cities. I'm a high-profile guy. If I go in there guns a-blazing, you know, with my Navy SEAL friends, my personal security detail, then I go to jail. So I'm just gonna stay here with you while that situation handles itself out. The unemployment is because I'm ex-military, right? I used to work for the government doing the Lord's work, saving people, kissing babies. But then what happened was I had my knee shot out right before I was in the NBA.

• 55:03Laci Mosley?

  Right before the NBA?

• 55:04Speaker 05

  Right before the NBA. So I lost out on some contracts. So the government is sending me checks, but you know I don't use that money. You know what I'm saying, baby? I give that money to charity. Yeah, for all the sick kids.

• 55:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Wow, you're such a hero and an athlete.

• 55:19Speaker 05

  Thank you for saying so.

• 55:20Laci Mosley?

  You could've spent the unemployment checks on me, but okay.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 55:24Laci Mosley?

  You're giving them to charity.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  I love a self-sufficient woman.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  15 seconds.

• 55:28Laci Mosley?

  Now, 15 seconds. Kyle, how do you justify getting unemployment checks at a house that you don't live in?

• 55:33Speaker 04

  Listen, when you have Riz, that's just on another level. And Aura, that they're looking at through telescopes from science labs all across the world. Sometimes these things happen to you. But what I will tell you.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You didn't think today you was gonna come in here and get your mind fucked up?

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Is it okay if I take notes?

• 56:01Laci Mosley?

  You know what? I'm gonna give you mine, and I'm gonna beat you both.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 56:04Laci Mosley?

  I think this is actually pretty logical. Look, you know I'm a tennis champion, and I've had to travel all around the world giving speeches. Remember Bruce Jenner, he used to give speeches? Yeah, now Caitlyn Jenner, but at the time...

• 56:16Speaker 05

  They gave speeches.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you know what I mean? I have to be at engagements. I'm all over the place. I trust you, I love you, where I am with you is home. You and your children love to take little Zachary out to play catch, love to sip fake tea with little Tina Tana, you know? And so I know that you're gonna be at home with your kids. And so if I have to send mail someplace, instead of a P.O. box, I would rather it be at my pussy home box. So...

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Just mark that.

• 56:50Laci Mosley?

  I send my mail here. Because I trust you.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  Hmm. That's, that's a terrible explanation.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  That sounded like a scam.

• 56:59Speaker 05

  No, no, you know why?

• 57:00Laci Mosley?

  You said.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Let me tell you why it sounds like a scam.

• 57:02Laci Mosley?

  You said you were like, like a astronaut basketball player.

• 57:05Speaker 05

  That's what I said. I didn't say astronaut. I didn't say astronaut.

• 57:07Laci Mosley?

  You came off like a weird, like witchy, like I walk around barefoot type guy talking about auras from space.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  Can I break down your story?

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Let the people decide.

• 57:18Speaker 05

  Can I break down your story and why it was false and it would, it would not hold up in any court of law?

• 57:22Laci Mosley?

  It went to the Olympics. They do talk about, they do do public speaking.

• 57:26Speaker 05

  You said tennis. And if you would have explained that, then I would have known, he's a liar, y'all.

• 57:30Laci Mosley?

  Now we're just playing semantics.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  He's a liar. And then you said mail. How do you explain the unemployment checks? If you, if you out here with money, how are you getting unemployment checks?

• 57:40Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes you make money and you want to fuck the government and like get yours.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  So you're a scammer.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  A jack chin.

• 57:47Speaker 05

  You're a scammer.

• 57:48Laci Mosley?

  Mm-mm. I'm just trying to protect assets for me and my family. I'm not donating them charity. That was over far.

• 57:55Speaker 05

  Mine was probably the most realistic.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  No, yours was the worst.

• 57:58Speaker 05

  Foreign military.

• 57:58Laci Mosley?

  Kyle, I'll give you, I'll give you weird barefoot cultist.

• 58:02Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 58:03Laci Mosley?

  But I think I won. So.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  Let's let the people decide.

• 58:07Laci Mosley?

  There's not the worst lie that he told.

• 58:09Speaker 05

  There's more?

• 58:09Laci Mosley?

  Pursuing other women. That's not the worst lie. The worst lie, he once told her he was going into office work, but instead was just relaxing at the movies all day.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  That's, that's not bad. That's logical.

• 58:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  If I live with a woman, let me tell you something. I'm going to work all the time. Baby, he need me again. And you know I'm gonna be out back drinking in my pickup. Drinking a sixer.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  That Lowe's catching a matinee.

• 58:36Speaker 05

  I know. Because I don't want to go to movies with her. Couple of reasons why. She don't never, she never bring a jacket. It'd be cold in there.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:42Speaker 05

  You know what I'm saying? Two, she probably talk a lot throughout the movie.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  That's what I was gonna say. Jody comes across as a woman who talks throughout the whole movie.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  The whole movie.

• 58:49Laci Mosley?

  We're moving into Jody filing a restraining order against him.

• 58:54Laci Mosley?

  And when he refused to leave her home, she had the local sheriff forcibly remove him. He was like, "I'm staying, I'm staying." And it was not cute. And the police were like, "You, you, we're gonna arrest you." So they took him out of the home.

• 59:10Speaker 05

  That wouldn't have happened if he used my story.

• 59:12Laci Mosley?

  I don't.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  If he was military, she would have been afraid to call the sheriff. Because they probably know each other.

• 59:17Laci Mosley?

  I'm on Jody's side. I think she believed in him. She Googled him. That's the thing about a lie. If you're telling a lie, half of it has to be the truth. Because if it's all false, then someone's gonna clock you easier. The tennis stuff was true. She could Google that. You can Google the Olympic website. But everything else that he was doing was a lie. And so that's why she held on. I'm sure he was wooing her. I'm sure he was dropping off the D.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Laying it down.

• 59:40Laci Mosley?

  That's what you guys are saying.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:43Laci Mosley?

  But.

• 59:43Speaker 05

  If he's literally missionarying her every other month, she ain't staying.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  No way.

• 59:49Laci Mosley?

  Are you kidding me? That's like full eye contact and intimacy. That's what people write.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Every other month?

• 59:54Laci Mosley?

  No, that's not, that's too far in between.

• 59:56Speaker 05

  He was letting her have it.

• 59:57Laci Mosley?

  But, yeah, he, he was lying a lot. And he was having his way with her finances. And she probably had to protect her kids. At a certain point, when you're in this embarrassing situation, you're, you've exposed your kids to a criminal. And I'm sure there's a lot of shame in that. But let's talk about retirement from table tennis. Which also, like, a table tennis Olympian is not gonna give me the turn of my head. Table tennis?

• 1:00:19Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:00:19Laci Mosley?

  Like, what y'all do? Put your leg up on the table to stretch your, your hammy? Like, how do you, who, do table tennis people have abs?

• 1:00:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, they got that strong finger.

• 1:00:27Laci Mosley?

  Do you need table abs?

• 1:00:28Speaker 05

  Not this nigga.

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  You do a lot of squats, I think. Because, see, squatting, yeah, you're squatting.

• 1:00:33Laci Mosley?

  And he has no muscle definition in those squats.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  That belly is covering his whole junk.

• 1:00:37Laci Mosley?

  So in 2015, Michael was barred permanently from USA Table Tennis because of sexual misconduct, but the details were not disclosed. Despite his ban in the USA, he kept competing for Jamaica in several tournaments, including the World Championships in Malaysia in 2016. So the USA said, "You're done." But then he kept going for Jamaica, and he was competing in Malaysia. In Instagram posts, he celebrated Jamaica for winning a bronze medal, even though in reality, they finished 70th.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  He was competing ping pong in Malaysia, that's balls of fury.

• 1:01:08Laci Mosley?

  The same year he retired from the sport.

• 1:01:10Speaker 05

  This dude's living in the movies.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  With Christopher Walken.

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Laci Mosley?

  And the same year he retired from the sport.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Ping pong.

• 1:01:17Laci Mosley?

  But not because of his misconduct, which should have been the reason. Let's watch a video of Michael telling the Jamaican gleaner why he decided to retire.

• 1:01:26Speaker 05

  Love a gleaner.

• 1:01:26Speaker 11

  You're gonna have to stop at some point, right? I mean, at some point, whether, you know, I'm now forty-six years old. And it's highly unusual in any sport of the athletic nature of table tennis for any athlete to, to play into their fortunes like I did. I was very fortunate to play until I was forty-five. At a high level. I didn't stop playing because I'm not good enough. But I felt like I had other things I wanted to do in the corporate world, focus on more. A hundred percent, actually.

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  Focus on scamming.

• 1:01:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Speaker 04

  What accent does he have? Is he French-Canadian?

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  Jamaican-Scottish. Jamaican-Scottish.

• 1:01:59Laci Mosley?

  Also, being able to play tennis that late, uh, table tennis that late in it, it's just moving your arm. This is pickleball, but like, you can do it forever.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  No, I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm not gonna disrespect the art in the sport of table tennis. It's very difficult.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  It is difficult.

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  It's very difficult.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  It's mastered at sure.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  He wasn't good at it.

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  No, he was never, it's reaction time is what goes down as you get older. But him saying forty-six, I mean, that's a, clearly a lie.

• 1:02:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  Like.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  That man was a strong sixty-two.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna say fifty-seven, give him the benefit of the doubt.

• 1:02:29Laci Mosley?

  And he's black, and if I can clock a black sixty-two, you know it's a sixty-two.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Oh, one hundred percent.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  He pulled the Dominican baseball player glitch, where you just change the, uh, birth, birth date on your birth certificate.

• 1:02:40Speaker 05

  Now, Steve, you know you signed for five hundred million.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm fourteen. Yeah, alright, nigga.

• 1:02:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, alright, alright, as long as you can do what you need to do. You're fourteen. We'll have a tutor for you for school, for escuela. Yeah, no.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  What is that?

• 1:02:55Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 1:02:56Speaker 05

  Escuela? You don't speak the language?

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Claro que sí, hablo español.

• 1:02:59Laci Mosley?

  Sí, es socuano, hablo español.

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  Sí.

• 1:03:03Laci Mosley?

  ¿Verdad?

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  Eso es la verdad.

• 1:03:04Laci Mosley?

  Sí, so mira. The same year he.

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  ¿Es a Rosar?

• 1:03:08Laci Mosley?

  It's gonna be, it's gonna be.

• 1:03:09Speaker 05

  I don't know the language too.

• 1:03:11Laci Mosley?

  Ay, Dios mío.

• 1:03:12Speaker 05

  I'm canilingual.

• 1:03:14Laci Mosley?

  Por favor. The same year he retired from the sport, but not because of his misconduct. He had this video come out. Now, he's got something new. He's back in California, and he has a new girlfriend.

• 1:03:27Speaker 05

  Oh shit.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  Named Kimberly Reed, let's look at Kimberly.

• 1:03:30Speaker 05

  I thought I was gonna say Kimberly Kardashian. Oh, yeah. You know what she looked like? She looked like she used to, like, he was in prison and she used to write to him and didn't know him.

• 1:03:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's, it's giving prison writer.

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Is that not the woman from Tiger, what was that show?

• 1:03:45Laci Mosley?

  Tiger King?

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, isn't that the Tiger King lady?

• 1:03:47Laci Mosley?

  No, she had more drip. She definitely dyes that hair blonde from a box, which you can do very well. I, but I think she just leaves it on a little too long. Like, it almost looked like it was about to fall out. When it started burning, she was like, ah, okay, it's time. Like, that's what it's giving.

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  No toner, she didn't use toner.

• 1:04:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's, that's why it's so dry, she didn't do the toner. She just had to read the box, because it tells you everything to do if you're gonna dye it from home. Anyway, I'm not gonna shade her looks. She seems very poised.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  She a little freaky. She looks like she'll do something to it.

• 1:04:18Laci Mosley?

  She has a lot of plants behind her, which tells me she's a very nurturing person, because her plants are alive and they are green as hell. You know how hard it is to keep a plant green? Like, this woman is a nurturer. He found a nurturing woman when he was down on his looks, and his looks was extra down bad.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, she right, alright, because she is a very beautiful woman, I'm not gonna.

• 1:04:39Laci Mosley?

  No, we don't have to lie. So, I just like that she got plants in the back, she seems nurturing, she got her little garden. It's giving me like Baby Boy, when Baby Boy mama had a garden and her kids are grown. Remember, she was like loving watering her plants, that's a very black cut, if you know. So, they met on Tinder in 2017. So, he'd already given Kimberly his Pong Nation pitch. This is his new pitch, because remember, he said he's going into business. So, it's called Pong Nation, that's his new business. And he'd even told her he reached out and got franchise agreements with Puma and Starbucks.

• 1:05:14Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  That's legit.

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  That's legit.

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  Michael said he was eagerly anticipating a hundred and eight thousand federal loan that would help launch Pog Nation. I love the scam of putting in the eight thousand instead of just saying a hundred thousand flat. He was like, I have a hundred eight thousand sixty-two cents coming my way.

• 1:05:33Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:05:33Laci Mosley?

  It's very specific, and a federal loan.

• 1:05:35Speaker 05

  For what's the company?

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  To the penny.

• 1:05:36Laci Mosley?

  Pog Nation.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  She said it again. Right?

• 1:05:41Laci Mosley?

  Pong Nation, oh.

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  You've been saying, the last two times you said Pong Nation. You keep saying it.

• 1:05:47Laci Mosley?

  I have brought two terrorists on my show.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  Whoa, Pong Nation?

• 1:05:52Laci Mosley?

  Pong, Pong, Ping Pong Nation. This is his pitch. He's got all this loan money coming from the federal government. He texted her, we'll do, okay.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Yo, you up?

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  You doing it next?

• 1:06:07Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna try.

• 1:06:08Speaker 04

  With a you up first?

• 1:06:09Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna try. He texted her.

• 1:06:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh god, it's gonna be so bad. You can't interrupt me. We're gonna do the 1.4 million in revenue. I'm projecting for August to December 2018 and make over 700K in profit as well. Boom, ba, clap. Um, so basically translated, um, he texted her, we'll do well over the 1.4 million in revenue. I'm projecting for August to December 2018 and make over $700,000 in profit as well. So he's saying that I'm getting $108,000 from the government. We're gonna make 700K between August to December. So that's like two quarters.

• 1:06:56Laci Mosley?

  And he's giving her a number, he's giving her projections. To further persuade Kimberly, he claimed to have secured investments for the club by organizing a local tournament. You know, remember he did that first local tournament where he skirted out, skirt, skirt, all that $15,000? So he said, we're gonna do another tournament, which already had 1,000 registered players for Pong Nation, where everybody who loves to play ping pong is gonna pull up because they wanna get in the pong game and they wanna make some pong pong money. They wanna make a little ping pong money. So he claimed that he had an investor that wanted to pay 1.2 million for a 10% stake in the company. 1.2 million for a 10% stake.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  A 10% stake in the ping pong company.

• 1:07:37Laci Mosley?

  That only has a guaranteed government fund of 108,000 right now, right? But okay.

• 1:07:42Speaker 04

  Smart investor.

• 1:07:43Speaker 05

  For those reasons, I'm out.

• 1:07:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Shark Tank. Shark Tank, Kyle, Shark Tank. But they needed to see that he had $100,000 in cash and that the tournament was successful. So he's like, they, the government is gonna give me 100K plus 8,000, but I don't have it right now. So. The bank account that I have needs to reflect that I have a hundred thousand dollars because then the investor for ten percent of the company is gonna put in one point two million because we gonna have this ping pong club. And remember, Susan Sarandon already has Spin, a ping pong club. So this is a thing that exists. So write it down, Kyle, write it down. Look at Susan Sarandon hitting them balls. Look at that. And now, uh, she's holding it the way that the Olympians were holding it.

• 1:08:30Laci Mosley?

  Y'all talking about the one finger, I see all her fingers.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  No, she's not.

• 1:08:34Laci Mosley?

  What, what?

• 1:08:35Speaker 05

  Hold on.

• 1:08:35Laci Mosley?

  Look at the grip.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  No, she's missing a finger, this ain't Avatar.

• 1:08:41Laci Mosley?

  Zoom in on the grip. Zoom in on the grip, Jess.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  You're only seeing four fingers.

• 1:08:45Laci Mosley?

  Zoom in on the grip. You only see four fingers, where her other finger at?

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  Lamorne, for those at home, Lamorne is pointing to the hand.

• 1:08:51Speaker 05

  Where her other finger at?

• 1:08:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay, damn, y'all were right.

• 1:08:54Speaker 05

  Where the other finger at?

• 1:08:55Laci Mosley?

  Y'all were, cuz look, cuz look.

• 1:08:57Speaker 05

  And you know who taught me that? A world champion, from Spin.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:09:02Laci Mosley?

  Susan Sarandon?

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, bruh.

• 1:09:04Laci Mosley?

  She's cool as fuck.

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay, now, look at my hand. It does look like Susan Sarandon's.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Laci Mosley?

  Damn, okay, damn. Alright, you're right, you were right.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  You owe me an apology and a foot rub.

• 1:09:16Laci Mosley?

  Sir, we're moving on. So Pong Nation is his whole cash grab, right? He's gotta have the money in the bank. This happened to me in a roommate situation where I had just recently moved from the Hamptons where I was like, working. Uh, I was working there, my parents are very supportive, but I was working there. I'm not a nepo baby. Um, but, I say, not, don't write that down, Kyle.

• 1:09:43Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:09:44Laci Mosley?

  Don't write that down.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  I thought you said you could take notes?

• 1:09:46Laci Mosley?

  Not all the notes. But, I literally like, moved to LA with the cash that I made working at these places like Mobies and pop-ups and stuff in East Hampton or whatever, like, the cash was just raining down. I- Had a friend who was like, oh, if you put your money in my bank account for a little while and I'll give it back to you, then I can get an apartment and I'll use it with my bank statements. And they actually didn't screw me over. But this is what he's telling this woman, right? So it does seem feasible, right? Especially if he's been engaging with this person for a while. He says he has all these investments lined up. He's just asking to hold the money for a little bit to get basically the rental

• 1:10:31Laci Mosley?

  or the investment because they're trying to get trust. I understand this grift very well. So Kimberly helped him by opening a business line of credit with both of their names.

• 1:10:41Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 1:10:42Laci Mosley?

  She's a nurturer. She's trying to help people with their dreams.

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  Man, been there.

• 1:10:47Laci Mosley?

  So they did this at two separate banks.

• 1:10:49Speaker 05

  Not at BMO.

• 1:10:49Laci Mosley?

  Additionally, she also signed a loan for his $29,000.

• 1:10:57Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry. She signed a loan for his $29,000 Toyota Highlander. Why are you paying 29K for a Toyota? It's one of the best cars in the business. Toyota sponsors the show. That car don't break down, okay? The apocalypse will happen. The asteroid will come. You can still drive a Toyota.

• 1:11:20Speaker 05

  Are you saying that's not expensive?

• 1:11:22Laci Mosley?

  I think that's expensive for a Toyota Highlander.

• 1:11:25Speaker 05

  Not at all. Highlander's SUV, right?

• 1:11:27Laci Mosley?

  I think it's expensive.

• 1:11:28Speaker 05

  Less than 30,000? I thought he had an Escalade.

• 1:11:30Laci Mosley?

  You could get a Benz for that.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  What kind of Benz you getting for 29,000? What year did you buy your Benz?

• 1:11:35Laci Mosley?

  Pre-owned, one year.

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  Off Etsy? No.

• 1:11:39Laci Mosley?

  Pre-owned, one year.

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:11:41Laci Mosley?

  I promise you, if you know where to shop. Do you know where to shop?

• 1:11:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44Laci Mosley?

  You don't buy it in California. You could buy it somewhere else. So.

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, she got this.

• 1:11:51Laci Mosley?

  He said that this was gonna be used for business purposes.

• 1:11:54Speaker 05

  She got the scams for real.

• 1:11:55Laci Mosley?

  He said this is gonna be used for business purposes. When the day finally arrived of Michael's big tournament, remember this is second tournament. This is gonna be for real this time. Only a handful of people showed up. Kimberly was crushed. But Michael still went on to post on Facebook that the tournament was a success anyway.

• 1:12:18Speaker 05

  I mean, never admit defeat.

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you gotta get everybody in one corner and take a picture behind the Highlander with a ping pong paddles and be like, "We did it."

• 1:12:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:26Laci Mosley?

  You know, you can multiply the people in the photo, whatever. So Michael stopped meeting with Kimberly in person and texted her, "Your boyfriend will be a millionaire by years in. Pong Nation will do about sixteen million in 2019 and make over four million dollars in profit. Love your man. Support your man. Let him come to you."

• 1:12:49Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  He texted all that?

• 1:12:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Speaker 05

  To the tree lady?

• 1:12:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Speaker 05

  He didn't like write it in a letter?

• 1:12:56Laci Mosley?

  Nah, he stopped meeting with her. He stopped meeting with her in person. He just sent her a text and was like, "Love your king, support your king, for a million things."

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  From afar.

• 1:13:04Laci Mosley?

  On the way. Yeah, from afar.

• 1:13:06Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:13:07Laci Mosley?

  She tracked Michael down at a hotel and took back the Toyota Highlander.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  Let's go. Good for her.

• 1:13:14Laci Mosley?

  But not before he'd opened up more credit cards in her name and spent over thirty thousand dollars on the cars. So she was late.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  That's a wash. That's a wash.

• 1:13:24Speaker 05

  That's a whole other Highlander.

• 1:13:25Laci Mosley?

  Cause one, when you drive a car off the lot, it's automatically depreciated. It was twenty-nine thousand dollars to begin with. He didn't already opened up thirty K in your name, baby girl. But you tried. And I love that for you. So Guam.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  And that's the last we know of him?

• 1:13:43Laci Mosley?

  Guam with the wind. This is the last.

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:13:47Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes later.

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  This nigga got a whole book.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  Dude, that's what I'm saying. Like, he put so much energy into the scam, like, actually put that energy into Pong Nation, and it probably would have been successful.

• 1:13:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, just actually start something legit. This whole time, he could've.

• 1:14:01Laci Mosley?

  And he had the Olympics behind him. No, he didn't win, but still, like, having the Olympics behind you, regular people would be like, "Oh, he went to the Olympics. I love playing ping pong. I'm learning from an Olympic..." Even if you're the worst Olympic ping pong player, you're better than everybody else.

• 1:14:17Speaker 05

  Ice Cube has never played professional basketball in his life, but he has a basketball league, a very successful one, called The Big Three. Because he just said, "You know what? I'm gonna put all my efforts and energy into this."

• 1:14:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And stick behind it.

• 1:14:32Laci Mosley?

  So while fleeing an arrest warrant for misuses of welfare funds in California, Michael showed up in Guam, a US territory in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and took a job with their table tennis federation. He can't get table tennis out of his body.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  Can't stop.

• 1:14:48Laci Mosley?

  He can't stop. He does, he must have a passion for...

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  Ping pong, clearly.

• 1:14:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, a pong passion.

• 1:14:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 1:14:55Laci Mosley?

  A ping passion, if you will.

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  He went to Guam, wow.

• 1:14:57Laci Mosley?

  He went to Guam. He's literally the tiniest little island.

• 1:15:02Speaker 05

  How you get there?

• 1:15:04Laci Mosley?

  On them credit cards. On Kimberly credit cards. That's how he got there.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Poor Kimberly.

• 1:15:10Laci Mosley?

  An article about his arrival in The Guam Post sparked outrage, leading to angry emails from women he had scammed, ultimately resulting in Michael's job offer being rescinded. So, maybe he had already been to Guam because the girls were like, the Guam Gazette said that...

• 1:15:27Speaker 05

  Wait, the girls in Guam said this?

• 1:15:29Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Because The Guam Post was like, oh, we about to have a ping pong king coming. And they all looked at that and they were like, the ping pong king? Oh no, he ping ponged me.

• 1:15:38Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 1:15:39Laci Mosley?

  And the girls got together with their pitchforks.

• 1:15:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  As they do.

• 1:15:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So, the girls got mad. And this is just like The Guam Post. So this is just like on the island, they're mad, right? And it led to all these angry emails. They were like, no, you're not coming here. He fled to the Philippines, which is close by, under the identity of Anthony Bennett.

• 1:16:00Speaker 05

  That's a basketball player.

• 1:16:02Speaker 04

  Basketball player, yeah.

• 1:16:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, perhaps a reference to the crooner Tony Bennett, who was known for a song called "Rags to Riches." Y'all were thinking the basketball player. He's talking about Tony Bennett.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:15Laci Mosley?

  "Rags to Riches," that's kind of poetic. That's how I know he was whimsical as fuck. That's the issue with a whimsical motherfucker. Like, I'm so sorry. I cannot stand a whimsical motherfucker.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  How would you say, how would you say that and then look at me? Yeah, you made heavy eye contact with Lamorne when you said that.

• 1:16:31Laci Mosley?

  I'm looking straight ahead to the camera.

• 1:16:33Speaker 05

  Now you are, but that neck was crooked when you said that.

• 1:16:35Laci Mosley?

  When you meet someone who's too whimsical, you need to study. Why are you so goddamn whimsical? What are you hiding behind your poetry and your guitar? That always seems to be strapped across your soul, like your shoulder at any event. Why are you picking up a daisy out of the grass and telling me to smell it? What am I not sniffing about you, whimsical person?

• 1:17:01Speaker 05

  Cause it smells nice.

• 1:17:02Laci Mosley?

  They're like, look in the air, look at the sky, breathe the air, be present. They always want you to be present.

• 1:17:08Speaker 05

  You know.

• 1:17:08Laci Mosley?

  Cause if you're present, you're not looking out for the future of your coins. You're not looking at the future for your life. You're just present in the moment while they whimsically rob you of all of your credit card information.

• 1:17:20Speaker 05

  So you don't trust a whimsical nigga at all?

• 1:17:22Laci Mosley?

  No, you can be romantic, you can't be whimsical. That's ridiculous.

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  You know who I don't trust? A magician. Like if, like if a woman told me, like, guess this card, I'm running. Because those are the ones who say, look left, look right, huh, I'm inside you. And I'm like, god damn, now it's quick, woman. You don't really see many female magicians.

• 1:17:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because we know it's bullshit and we don't have time for it. Why the hell would I be pulling a rabbit out of my hat when I can run a Fortune 500 company?

• 1:17:49Speaker 05

  Cause pulling a rabbit out of a hat is kinda cool. Yeah, I'm not gonna let those.

• 1:17:51Laci Mosley?

  The rabbit's suffocating at the bottom of the hat.

• 1:17:54Speaker 05

  That'd be awesome.

• 1:17:54Laci Mosley?

  So now he's Tony Bennett, right? Rags to riches. Michael is his real name, the tennis player. Look at him right there. Also, he's never been in shape when he's playing table tennis.

• 1:18:06Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:18:06Laci Mosley?

  So, Michael is still at large in Southeast Asia. In total, he stands accused of defrauding at least 10 people out of several hundreds of thousands of dollars. Which is, in the grand scheme, not that much, but in the romance harm scheme, a lot. And, but he could have done better, like, you're kinda trash. And. There's a quick little note here that I'm only doing because you guys are so chaotic before I leave here. There's a scammer of the week. I'm gonna give you a scammer of the week. It's been so long, right? Okay, we're talking about scammer of the week. Bear attack insurance fraud.

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:18:44Laci Mosley?

  Is that a thing?

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm familiar with it.

• 1:18:46Laci Mosley?

  Three men and a woman were arrested for insurance fraud in Los Angeles after filing claims that their cars had been damaged by a bear attack at Lake Arrowhead in January. They submitted video footage of the bear attack to their insurance companies. However, the so-called bear attacks were actually just a person in a bear costume.

• 1:19:06Speaker 05

  You're shitting me.

• 1:19:06Laci Mosley?

  And we're looking at them being purple. So who do we think was in the bear costume?

• 1:19:10Speaker 04

  The dude on the left, for sure.

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  He looked like a bear.

• 1:19:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's given that he was. It's also given, like, is this a West Hollywood bear? Like, he was just very hairy and, like, big built? Or, like, did they put him in a Smokey the Bear costume?

• 1:19:24Speaker 05

  He's like banging on the window.

• 1:19:25Laci Mosley?

  Because now that they've defunded the national, like, you know, like, the park rangers, like, Smokey the Bear is, like, you're on your own. Like, literally only you can prevent forest fires because we've been defunded. So they might have got a Smokey the Bear costume. Who knows? And so the video clearly depicts a person in a bear costume opening the back door of the car, climbing in, getting back out through the same door. We have a video of this bear.

• 1:19:55Speaker 05

  The bear beating the car with a bat?

• 1:19:57Laci Mosley?

  Look, bears be gangster these days. Okay, so it's in black and white. I can believe it's a bear if it's in black and white.

• 1:20:05Speaker 05

  Is it open?

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  That looks pretty legit to me. I don't know.

• 1:20:16Laci Mosley?

  That looks so legit!

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  That's a real bear.

• 1:20:18Laci Mosley?

  I feel like a bear could open the door. This is like a domesticated California bear. I bet it could open a Tesla door, like, push the little button in and do whatever. It could open suicide doors.

• 1:20:29Speaker 05

  What if the bear held the key up first?

• 1:20:31Laci Mosley?

  It was like choo-choo, like...

• 1:20:33Speaker 05

  He turned the light on because he couldn't see.

• 1:20:34Laci Mosley?

  Also, why is the bear robbing the car? I thought that the incident was gonna be the bear jumping on the car and causing damage. Not the bear robbed, y'all. And then closed the door back? The bear.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:20:44Laci Mosley?

  Nah.

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  He's a polite bear, guys.

• 1:20:47Speaker 05

  The bearers look for food. This man went in there and took gold chains, wallets.

• 1:20:51Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I can sell this off to the bear community. Give me some snacks.

• 1:20:55Speaker 05

  I just need the bear essentials, that's all I need.

• 1:20:57Laci Mosley?

  Listen, the bear essentials, wow. Wow, what a pun. So, they allege that the car damage amounted to scratched leather seats. And they said there were three cars that were damaged. A Rolls Royce, a Mercedes G63 AMG, and a Mercedes E350. So, the bear has taste. The bear was like, I'm going for the ball of cars.

• 1:21:19Speaker 04

  How did the bear know?

• 1:21:21Laci Mosley?

  Their insurance policies paid out $141,839.

• 1:21:28Speaker 05

  No, they didn't.

• 1:21:29Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. Because these are expensive cars that the bear robbed.

• 1:21:33Speaker 05

  They thought...

• 1:21:34Laci Mosley?

  The bear was like...

• 1:21:35Speaker 05

  I thought they sent the video in, they looked at it and said, oh, this is clearly a person in a suit. Let's call the police. No, they paid first. So, why Luigi out here offering people if they paying first so quick?

• 1:21:46Laci Mosley?

  That's a different type of insurance.

• 1:21:47Speaker 05

  Same thing, I didn't know. What?

• 1:21:49Laci Mosley?

  Not thank God.

• 1:21:50Speaker 05

  Not a profitable.

• 1:21:51Laci Mosley?

  They trying to have everybody meet God in our insurance companies. They were like, oh, okay, we can't afford your deductible. You gonna have to meet your maker. He's cool. I've heard he's great. And you're gonna meet all your relatives up there, okay? Thank you so much. So, their insurance companies paid out this money, right? Before an investigation by the California Department of Insurance nicknamed Operation Bear Claw revealed that it was a scam. A biologist from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife reviewed the footage to officially confirm that this was not a bear, but a person in a bear suit. A search of suspects' home found a bear costume, including a furry head, paws, metal tools that were also in the shape of claws. Look at this! Not...

• 1:22:34Laci Mosley?

  Not Scams the Bear.

• 1:22:36Speaker 04

  You would think.

• 1:22:37Laci Mosley?

  Once Smokey the Bear went down and only we can prevent forest fires. Scams the Bear was like, only I can contribute to insurance fraud.

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  Is that a vest?

• 1:22:49Laci Mosley?

  Why would you keep the bear costume? Throw it away.

• 1:22:53Speaker 05

  No, you gotta keep scamming.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  And you would think.

• 1:22:55Laci Mosley?

  You can't do a bear invasion more than once. You can't be like, oh, another bear came.

• 1:23:00Speaker 05

  I'll tell you why. That looks expensive and you gotta do enough scams till you can pay off the debt that you owe for buying that.

• 1:23:05Laci Mosley?

  Then you need to sell it off in cash to a stranger on Craigslist, like with a mask on. Like you can't keep that in your home. That actually looked legit with the black and white footage. I would have thought maybe the bear was hopping up in there.

• 1:23:19Speaker 04

  Watch a YouTube video and get realistic movements of bears down. Like you can watch some videos. There's a ton of them on. The bear just doing this.

• 1:23:29Speaker 05

  That's not how bears operate.

• 1:23:31Laci Mosley?

  It's too organized.

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  The bear doing this?

• 1:23:34Speaker 05

  Andy Serkis. All they had to do was go Google Andy Serkis. Look up Andy Serkis.

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  Can I take notes?

• 1:23:40Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:23:40Speaker 05

  Okay. So write this down.

• 1:23:41Speaker 04

  It's ridiculous.

• 1:23:42Speaker 05

  Carl, write this down. Andy Serkis teaches a movement masterclass.

• 1:23:45Laci Mosley?

  He does?

• 1:23:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:46Laci Mosley?

  On bear movements? Cause the claws look pretty legit.

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  No, it would have scratched the seats.

• 1:23:52Laci Mosley?

  It would through. It would have been like fluff.

• 1:23:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Laci Mosley?

  You know what? I think they were too scared for this mission. I think they thought if it didn't go off the way they wanted, they could fix the car for cheap, right? But if they really clawed into the seats and then they weren't believed, they would be in a position where they would have to pay more. So they went too soft. Like if you're gonna do this, you gotta go full bear.

• 1:24:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  That does not look like the interior of a Ghost Rolls Royce.

• 1:24:19Laci Mosley?

  Maybe they just don't put enough armor oil on the seats.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  2010, 2010.

• 1:24:22Laci Mosley?

  You gotta be like, I want some bear sounds. Like, what do bears sound like?

• 1:24:27Speaker 05

  Have you never been in a bear attack?

• 1:24:29Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:24:30Speaker 05

  Oh shit.

• 1:24:30Laci Mosley?

  Is that something you've experienced?

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Brown, you lay down. If it's black, you fight back. If it's white, you did.

• 1:24:37Speaker 05

  And if it's yellow, let it mellow. Yeah.

• 1:24:41Laci Mosley?

  I do know those though. Yeah, no, the bear, the bear didn't pull off the, they almost got away with it. But the California Department of Fish and Wildlife was very petty to go over this footage. There was a biologist who was like, I love bears. They don't break into nice cars.

• 1:24:57Speaker 04

  That was us, science podcast.

• 1:25:00Laci Mosley?

  Science. Y'all seem maybe more like scientists than I thought.

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:25:05Laci Mosley?

  Maybe La Morning After was right. I don't know. There, you know, AI is very strong. Who knows?

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  We don't use AI.

• 1:25:13Laci Mosley?

  We're here to help. Reach out. Let us know. We're gonna post some videos and um, let us know the truth.

• 1:25:21Speaker 05

  It's a, you know, let me play you just some, let me play you a little video, just the audio.

• 1:25:26Speaker 04

  Play that little video, the audio of that little video?

• 1:25:28Speaker 05

  I'll play you the audio.

• 1:25:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, a little bit of audio from a little video.

• 1:25:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is something that President Joe Biden.

• 1:25:34Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, he's no longer president.

• 1:25:37Speaker 05

  Former president, he will always be my president. He'll always be my president. This is something that he said about Jake Johnson. Um, and I want you guys to hear this.

• 1:25:48Speaker 12

  Man, look, look, look, look, I know. Look, look, look, we're here to help, man. Come on, man. I like the blacks. And I like, we're here to help. Favorite radio station. Jake Johnson, let me sniff his ear while I fingered him.

• 1:25:59Laci Mosley?

  That was.

• 1:26:00Speaker 04

  President Joe Biden.

• 1:26:01Laci Mosley?

  Put a red flag on that. I'm gonna put a red paddle on that. I don't think he said that.

• 1:26:05Speaker 05

  He said Jake Johnson, let me sniff his ear while I fingered him. Jake?

• 1:26:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't think Joe Tavious said that, but.

• 1:26:11Speaker 05

  Jake, I didn't see you on the campaign trail.

• 1:26:13Laci Mosley?

  You know what? And that's where we're gonna leave it. Thank you both so much for being here.

• 1:26:17Speaker 04

  Thank you for having us.

• 1:26:18Laci Mosley?

  Kyle, is there anything that you wanna plug?

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  Um, the La Morning After podcast.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:26:26Laci Mosley?

  You already know what to expect.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, new episodes.

• 1:26:28Laci Mosley?

  Morning After Podcast.

• 1:26:30Speaker 04

  New episodes every Wednesday.

• 1:26:32Speaker 05

  It's so stupid.

• 1:26:32Laci Mosley?

  And that's L A M O R N I N G After Podcast.

• 1:26:38Speaker 05

  Podcast, that's right. Um, yeah, you know, just find us on IG, you know, we, we do a lot of foolishness. Uh, lots of cool things coming.

• 1:26:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:26:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Laci Mosley?

  And as always, y'all, if you want to stitch on your friends and family, [email protected]. We may listen to them on the show. If you want to catch me on TV, all episodes of Scam Goddess, the television show, are up on Hulu. We've been trending. I appreciate that. Keep it going. Also, Going Dutch, you can watch that on Hulu as well and on Fox. And pick up my book, Scam Goddess. It's out everywhere. You can get it online, get it in bookstores. So if you want to know a little bit more of my life, you can get that as well. Just like did all my pluses. Yeah. All right, congregation.

• 1:27:27Laci Mosley?

  Get out there and get your bare necessities.

• 1:27:34Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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  Underdog already has team picks, player props, money lines, spreads, you name it, they got it. But apparently, somebody over there said, "You know what's missing? Screaming like a maniac about a rookie card on your couch." And we love them for that. Because Underdog now has RIPS. You get a digital pack starting at just $5. You check the live odds, see which grails you could pull, then rip it open to reveal a real, physical card. And the grails are no joke. They have cards up to $125,000 in value, and plenty to pull. From football and basketball to Pokémon, with new, limited-edition packs dropping regularly. Even cooler, you can decide to keep the card and Underdog will ship it straight to your home or sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair market value.

• 1:30:37Speaker 15

  And the cash goes right in your account. No listing it online, no stranger lowballing you in the messages. Just rip, reveal, and cash out instantly. Or make some room on your shelf. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free RIPS packs when you deposit $5. Real RIPS, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.