Encounters x348 - True Stories of Glitches in the Matrix | Haunted Appalachia, Cryptids & Time Slips

This episode is a time loop…or maybe it’s just an annual topic. We’re once again diving into the weirdest corners of reality with glitches in the Matrix, time slips, inter-dimensional encounters, and a few experiences that make us question whether reality is as stable as we think it is. Glitches include: A trip to the White Cliffs of Dover takes an inter-dimensional turn when a National Trust ticket booth seemingly disappears, leaving behind only a mysterious parking ticket. A routine drive through Appalachia suddenly transports a mother 30 minutes away with virtually no time passing. A family encounters a gigantic black wolf-like creature that appears to affect time differently for people sitting in the front and back seats of the same car. A late-night bathroom trip reveals a stranger standing in the mirror, along with an entirely different 1950s-style bathroom that vanishes just as quickly as it appeared. A bonus cryptid tale explores Hungary’s mysterious Woodcutter, a towering, long-limbed creature with multiple independent sightings. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 1:53Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 1:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's up, everyone?

• 1:54Corinne Vien?

  Hey, what's up? Hello, this is Ladies and Tangents.

• 1:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you don't listen, that is how Ladies and Tangents opens their episodes.

• 2:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, this is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:07Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 2:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina, and this is an encounters episode that we alluded to a couple of episodes back.

• 2:13Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 2:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A couple of encounters ago. I think it was during the Urban Legends one, we were like, ooh, stay tuned, we're doing a glitch in the matrix, time slips, interdimensional type of topic, and it is finally here. I know you've been waiting, holding onto your butts with so much excitement.

• 2:30Corinne Vien?

  You just can't get anything else done in your life until we do this, right?

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're so sorry to have put you through that, but don't worry, your life can now resume because we're about to deliver.

• 2:37Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some stories of glitches in the matrix. And I feel like you should go first.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay. I have one that I thought was kind of cheeky. I liked it. It's called Interdimensional Grifters Stole My Five Dollars, or Five Euro.

• 2:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 2:50Corinne Vien?

  Can you not say dollars with euro?

• 2:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, they're different, different currency.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  All right. Things you learn.

• 2:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  Dear ghostesses, one of my strangest things, whoa.

• 2:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Red leather, yellow leather.

• 3:01Corinne Vien?

  My ears were so clogged. That was crazy. I feel like I just got off of a plane.

• 3:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corinne can now resume her life, too.

• 3:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She can hear again.

• 3:09Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Dear ghostesses, one of the strangest things that has ever happened to me, happened to me way back in the autumn of 93. I was a university student living in central London, and one bright October Sunday, my friend Ray decided to go for a drive. His girlfriend Cassie had never seen the White Cliffs of Dover, so we decided that that was as good a place to go as any. The trip out east of London on the A2 was a fairly decent one. The plague pits of black heath are nice looking nowadays and typically covered in kite flying and wanderers. This is like reading gibberish. I have no idea what's happening.

• 3:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it does sound like reading a book where you're like, ooh, entering a new world.

• 3:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we're world building right now. A bit further and you're zipping through the vaguely green rolling countryside of the commuter belt Kent. Even that makes a nice break after months in the heart of the city. Once you get off the M2 and back onto the A2, at Tavisham, Tavisham, it's even pleasant in places. At least it was in the 90s when the port was running smoothly and the traffic wasn't typically backed up for decades. We left the A2 between Whitefield and Dover, or sorry, Whitfield and Dover, followed the A258. This feels like the SNL skit, like you go on the Far High.

• 4:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the UK version of it.

• 4:24Corinne Vien?

  Um, we go south for a mile or so, and then we turned east onto Upper Road. The National Trust footpath site at the Langdon Cliffs is the best walking spot for getting to see the cliffs. It's located down a jumped up track off Upper Road. And so we dutifully turned right off of Upper Road, followed the NT signs along the lane, and after winding around a couple rustic hedges, the road widened out into effectively a traffic island with a prefab 1970s plank-built attendance hut in the center, painted National Trust green, and sitting on a chunky concrete foundation base. The in-lane took you up to the window of the hut, and there was an automated wooden bar across the road to make sure that you stopped there.

• 5:07Corinne Vien?

  A very pleasant young woman sat in the hut selling tickets and other merchandise. I gave Ray the parking fee, five pounds, and received our parking ticket. A small green piece of paper with the National Trust logo on it ripped off of a roll like an 80s cinema ticket.

• 5:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 5:24Corinne Vien?

  She tore it in half before passing it over, and we politely turned down the $10, or 10 euro, god, 10-pound book. Fuck, 10-pound guidebook.

• 5:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:35Corinne Vien?

  And then the six-pound local area map, and even the four-for-two-pound postcards. God, I can never live in England. I can't speak, I can't read. I have no idea.

• 5:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So basically, they turned everything down, only paid the entrance fee.

• 5:48Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 5:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 5:49Corinne Vien?

  They paid the five pounds to enter. When we got through, I felt cheated, honestly. I had paid two pints worth for access to this long, skinny car park, barely paved with gravel, and a big National Trust signboard and a sketch map with some facts.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, honestly, you should be glad because you can spend five pounds to get two pints? That is unheard of in the United States. You pay $20 for one beer.

• 6:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, basically.

• 6:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're stealing. You're getting away with highway robbery, getting two pints for that price.

• 6:21Corinne Vien?

  But anyway, everything was overpriced, but Ray wasn't charging me for petrol, so I didn't whine. We had a nice walk along the cliffs. It was quite quiet. So we had a bit of like faux solitude, and Cassie claimed that she was pleased to actually have seen the place finally. And we debated or not if we could see hints of France, because it wasn't a particularly clear day. And we watched people just scurrying around the port like little ants for a bit.

• 6:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sounds like a nice, relaxing day.

• 6:47Corinne Vien?

  I think it's worth the five pounds.

• 6:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely.

• 6:49Corinne Vien?

  Ray naturally had to go and sit on the cliff's edge and dangle his feet over, despite all of the warnings behind saying to not do exactly that.

• 6:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 6:58Corinne Vien?

  But he managed to not plummet to a messy death.

• 7:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's good. We're happy about that.

• 7:03Corinne Vien?

  The afternoon was wearing on, and after an hour or so of fresh sea air, we decided to go find a coffee somewhere. We schlepped back to the car park and drove out. The National Trust hut was gone, completely gone. Like, no prefab structure, no green painted wood anywhere in sight, no bar across the road, no young woman, a chair, shelves of cheaply printed

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nothing.

• 7:25Corinne Vien?

  materials, no concrete plinth, nothing. In fact, the road didn't even widen out. It just sat there like an old stretch of road, barely two-lane tarmac, snaking around a scrubbing thicket where the hut had been.

• 7:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 7:41Corinne Vien?

  And as a final screw you, grass was actually growing up through the tarmac in the center of the road. So we crashed to a halt, and we exchanged baffled stares. After about a minute, Cassie suggested that, oh, well, maybe we came out a different way?

• 7:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what I would think.

• 7:56Corinne Vien?

  There was quite literally no other way. It was small, half-arced car park, stuck at the end of a small, half-arced lane. Still, we decided to double check. So I drove all the way back to the road, all the way to the A258, then to the A2, then turned around and very carefully retraced our steps. Everything was the same all the way up until the National Trust signpost along the lane of the Upper Road. But once again, as we followed it, no widened road, no hut, no barriers, just a clear run straight up to the cruddy car park. So we parked again. We walked down the lane. We walked to where the hut had been. It clearly had never existed.

• 8:38Corinne Vien?

  So then I grab out my wallet and I fish around, and sure enough, there was the ripped green National Trust ticket the attendant had given me.

• 8:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, you have a relic from another dimension? That is the coolest. That is worth way more than five pounds.

• 8:53Corinne Vien?

  I eventually lost the ticket.

• 8:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah.

• 8:57Corinne Vien?

  I lost it in an international move a decade later. And even I probably wouldn't believe this anymore if I hadn't been with two other people who both remember it. But writing this up until now, properly, almost 30 years later, I see that in 1999, they finally improved the car park and put a proper visitor center, complete with benches, sunshades, a restaurant, and almost certainly serve some sort of warm caffeinated beverage. And yes, despite the lack of barriers stopping you at the ticket hut, they do charge for parking. And they charge $3.50. Phantom scammers stole my five pounds.

• 9:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And 30 years later, you are still pissed.

• 9:35Corinne Vien?

  You're still pissed.

• 9:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like your Keelam pride grudge all over.

• 9:38Corinne Vien?

  So reverse inflation, too. They charged you way more before it even existed.

• 9:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, maybe then you traveled forward in time.

• 9:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, maybe you did. It gets worse again.

• 9:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:47Corinne Vien?

  And everything's decrepit. It's not the only time that I feel I've seemingly slipped into a parallel dimension with other people's independent witnesses, fortunately.

• 9:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is good.

• 9:55Corinne Vien?

  But this one is most immediately dramatic. Seeing that empty space, it was an absolute kick to the solar plexus. Anyway, thanks for the glorious podcast. All the best. Tim.

• 10:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn, Tim. I love how you can hold a grudge. That, I think that is my biggest takeaway from this entire story.

• 10:12Corinne Vien?

  Hey, he, uh, Tim went in already thinking that he was being overcharged.

• 10:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, and then to learn that he was being overcharged purely by another dimension.

• 10:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and you can't even go up and complain because the hut is gone, and another hut won't exist for a few years.

• 10:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, now I'm also so curious because they interacted with a human at that booth.

• 10:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, just some young woman.

• 10:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So what's her version of the story? Did that car just disappear? And she's like, what the heck? I literally just like gave them a ticket. What happened to that car?

• 10:41Corinne Vien?

  Or did she never notice?

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or did she never notice?

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  She clocked out for her shift, another person come in, they have no idea that there's. The car count is off.

• 10:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A glitch happening?

• 10:49Corinne Vien?

  And they were also watching other people. So I'm curious if the other people were like from another timeline? I don't know, but you know, it's not often that another dimension bleeds through and steals your five pounds.

• 11:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that you got a ticket from it that you lost.

• 11:04Corinne Vien?

  That you still have it. Well, not anymore, but like you did for a while.

• 11:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For a while you did.

• 11:08Corinne Vien?

  In your wallet. Like that is so cool.

• 11:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This also took place at an outdoors, like national park situation, which I feel like a lot of glitch in the matrix, a lot of time slips do happen in these regions.

• 11:21Corinne Vien?

  Well, it's also like remote too. Like I feel like it's a lot of like, oh, we're driving on the road and there was nothing except for this one diner on this 15 mile stretch.

• 11:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also a big part of interdimensional glitches.

• 11:31Corinne Vien?

  Diners are huge in these.

• 11:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The other dimensions love a diner. And don't say that you should absolutely go to those diners, but they love them.

• 11:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And all the patrons of said diner love to stop and stare at you.

• 11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah, it's like From.

• 11:44Corinne Vien?

  I need to watch it, especially because so many people are comparing Widows Bay to From now.

• 11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're so different.

• 11:48Corinne Vien?

  And I'm like, well, I like Widows Bay.

• 11:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're so different. I would say From is more like Lost.

• 11:54Corinne Vien?

  I've never seen Lost.

• 11:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's got like a way more paranormal element and.

• 11:58Corinne Vien?

  Well, I think a lot of people are saying like the clues and how hard, like to actually figure out what's going on in Widows Bay. Like you do have to pay attention and there's a lot of clues and a lot of like.

• 12:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:08Corinne Vien?

  Timeline and he, like who exists.

• 12:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. You watched Dark. From has dark vibes.

• 12:13Corinne Vien?

  Okay. I never finished Dark.

• 12:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But if you liked the beginning of it.

• 12:16Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 12:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's got that same vibe. Okay. Speaking of things happening outdoors, I have a glitch in Appalachia.

• 12:23Corinne Vien?

  Ah.

• 12:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah.

• 12:26Corinne Vien?

  The site of many glitches.

• 12:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fancy me finding an Appalachia story. Hello, ghoulies. My name is Krista. Please use my name. My daughter and I would be stoked to have my story shared. Hello, Krista and Krista's daughter. We don't have your name.

• 12:39Corinne Vien?

  And Krista Junior.

• 12:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And Krista Junior. I absolutely love your podcast and since I too am a spooky bitch who is haunted, you'll have quickly become my favorite ladies to listen to. I was listening to your episode encounters 283 about time slips and dimensional shifts when I realized I have a similar experience. Last summer, oh, we do have daughter's name. My daughter Adriana was participating in a three week horse camp. It wasn't overnight and not closed, so I had the fun experience of driving back and forth on the windy roads of Western Virginia every day. It's beautiful because you see the mountains everywhere, but one week on my drive home from morning drop off, I was on the usual two lane road about to come up to one of the two roundabouts that are on my drive.

• 13:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I took the second exit as I always do. And as I was driving, I realized, huh, I'm not familiar with this area. I pulled over confused and assumed that maybe I took the wrong exit. So as any 21st century person would do, I pulled out my phone and GPS and I was in a small town called Free Union that was half an hour away from where I originally was. But here's the weirdest thing. No time had passed by. Somehow I went 30 minutes from the roundabout to this tiny town in less than a matter of couple of minutes.

• 13:50Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 13:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I felt like I was losing my mind, but then I listened to your episode and I feel less crazy. And now I think it was a glitch or a time loop or Appalachia doing what it does messing with us. It has never happened again since.

• 14:04Corinne Vien?

  It's just so weird. Like when the setting around you, like it almost feels like you'd like, something would be garbled or like you'd feel dizzy or like.

• 14:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nothing.

• 14:12Corinne Vien?

  Like trees would zoom past you for like a second, but it's like, how do you just.

• 14:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All of a sudden.

• 14:16Corinne Vien?

  Magically, like there's no evidence of the wrinkle happening.

• 14:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the, I have another story very similar to this where it's like, how do you go from one place to another that is miles and miles apart in a blink of an eye? No time has passed, but the distance is so far.

• 14:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. These ones are the ones that freak me out.

• 14:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:35Corinne Vien?

  Because other ones were when people are like, well, I was on windy road and I was driving for what felt like 20 minutes and four hours had passed. It's like foggy and they're driving. They don't really know where they are.

• 14:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Disoriented.

• 14:45Corinne Vien?

  Like, okay, that's weird. Like a weird.

• 14:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But no time passing.

• 14:49Corinne Vien?

  Suddenly you're somewhere else. Hello?

• 14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like the people who disappear in um, national parks and like reappear miles and miles and miles away.

• 14:56Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's because Bigfoot carried them. But yeah.

• 14:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So crazy. And it's Appalachia. I'm glad that Krista's daughter wasn't with her because no need to disorient it to both people.

• 15:07Corinne Vien?

  It's also like, what's the purpose? Like, is there a purpose or did you just like randomly get blipped somewhere?

• 15:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's because we are in a simulation.

• 15:13Corinne Vien?

  There's bug in the code.

• 15:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A weird coding issue. And I forgot to connect the 30 miles between where you were and.

• 15:21Corinne Vien?

  Someone accidentally clicked backspace.

• 15:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Whoopsie.

• 15:24Corinne Vien?

  Oops. At least they didn't erase you.

• 15:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Oh, thank God. But some people do get erased.

• 15:29Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 15:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or removed from this timeline.

• 15:31Corinne Vien?

  Well, I have a story that's called Interdimensional Wolves.

• 15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, okay.

• 15:36Corinne Vien?

  Hello ladies. My name is Renee. I listen to your podcast while working my 12 hour graveyard shift and it helps me stay awake. I've debated whether or not to send this email over, but I figured what the heck?

• 15:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What the heck?

• 15:49Corinne Vien?

  If there's anywhere to tell my story, your podcast is definitely it.

• 15:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, I agree with that.

• 15:54Corinne Vien?

  Not sure how to start, but here we go. Okay. So this happened back when I was an early teen. My mom, two younger sisters and I had been at my grandparents' house helping them out. As usual, afterwards, everyone got to talking and we're talking about like spiritual stuff and we wound up staying pretty late. My grandmother's side has always been spiritual and everyone on that side has gifts and plenty of stories. My grandparents live out in the middle of nowhere, Alabama. We lived over an hour away and we took the backwood shortcut to get home that night.

• 16:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh oh, that's where you go wrong.

• 16:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. We have taken this route many times throughout my entire life, so there was no apprehension this night. This was just a normal drive back home for us. Until we get about halfway down this road, we all feel like there's something really strange. A weird vibration is the best way that I could possibly describe it. We all at the same time looked to the left side of the road. It seemed like it just appeared out of nowhere. This giant black wolf? A wolf is the closest animal that I can think of to describe this creature, but it was taller than the minivan that we were in. It ran across the road and jumped up onto a very tall bluff. And the strangest part was the speed in which we saw this thing. For my mom and I, who were in the front seats, it went super slow. We could literally see its muscles moving beneath its fur.

• 17:12Corinne Vien?

  It was so weird because we could tell that it was running, but it was like time for us had slowed down. Everything was in slow motion, even the car. But for my two younger sisters in the backseat, time went by really fast. They could make out that there was some sort of unnaturally large black animal, but it was moving at some sort of super speed.

• 17:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See, I, I hate these ones when people who are in the same space have their reality altered in different ways.

• 17:38Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it's like you have no control. Like that's what's, that's what's like, most of the paranormal, I think is the sense of having no control over like your experience or your destiny or your fate, like having that ripped away for a moment.

• 17:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is a good question.

• 17:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Do we? As it jumped onto the bluff, time started to go back to normal and my mom slammed on the brakes. We all sat there in silence for a couple of minutes before my mom started to drive again. A few minutes later, my mom spoke up and said, did anyone else see that thing? And all at once we said yes. We then started to describe what we saw and that is when we realized how different it was for those in the front seat versus those in the back. And the conclusion that my mom came to was that this was some sort of interdimensional creature making a jump from one plane to another.

• 18:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know, as they do and accidentally warp your whole reality.

• 18:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I guess it kind of makes sense with like time, because if they're opening up some sort of like portal and there's a wrinkle in time, it's like.

• 18:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It sends like a wave out.

• 18:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. How close in space you are to it. Like the front seat might be.

• 18:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But they're so, it's not like, oh, it's not like they're a mile away from each other. They're literally in the same car.

• 18:43Corinne Vien?

  I, what is this creature? There's no answers to anything.

• 18:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good questions.

• 18:47Corinne Vien?

  With the way that the time was different for us and the gigantic size of the creature, this wolf creature, the only thing that I can think of was this as well. Another thing I forgot to mention was the colors. There were colors that I had never seen before. It just like hung around this creature like a halo that it was almost in.

• 19:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 19:02Corinne Vien?

  My mom saw this as well. And I've tried to find mentions of something like this, but I cannot find anything anywhere. I hope you guys have some clue as to like legends or myths about this creature. Or maybe there's a follower and they'll email in about it, but this has stuck with me for over half my life and I remember it all like it was yesterday. I have so many more stories of ghosts, other spirit creatures, poltergeist, UFOs, but this is the only story that I truly have no answer for. I love y'all. See you on the other side. Renee.

• 19:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Renee, we can't give you any more answers. We are not your helpful besties here. We are scared for you.

• 19:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but it, yeah.

• 19:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like what is?

• 19:43Corinne Vien?

  At least you weren't projected in a car. Like it is weird. Like a giant creature. It feels like you weren't obviously supposed to be there.

• 19:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 19:50Corinne Vien?

  Like it wasn't like it was running next to you and trying to intimidate you. It seems like it was kind of like what your mom said, like there was some sort of purpose. There was some sort of activity. There was some sort of like jumper leap that was happening in that moment. You accidentally were there.

• 20:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I agree with that.

• 20:04Corinne Vien?

  But the color thing is weird. Like same colors that you've never seen before.

• 20:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That also makes sense because we are so limited.

• 20:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we know that for a fact. We know we can't see.

• 20:13Corinne Vien?

  It's also just like a weird concept. Like I can't picture a color that I can't perceive because I have no idea what it would look like.

• 20:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause you don't know what you don't know.

• 20:21Corinne Vien?

  You don't know what you don't know. So it's like, how would be so trippy?

• 20:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What I will say, what I love about our studios, I almost feel like there are so many colors in here that I feel like we're seeing colors.

• 20:30Corinne Vien?

  Perceiving them all.

• 20:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're, we're giving you colors that you would never see otherwise. And that we can deliver. Delusion.

• 20:37Corinne Vien?

  Delusion.

• 20:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I keep thinking about that one story we read, I don't know when it was, but it was about someone who was abducted by aliens or believed they were. But their bodies were like placed back in their home, but on the second floor and the second floor was like under construction and they were in the midst of like nails sticking up and all this stuff. I don't know how to find it, but.

• 21:01Corinne Vien?

  Cause I feel like there's been a lot that we've read where people, not a lot, but like enough.

• 21:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Corinne Vien?

  People are placed in the wrong car seats or in bed in like the wrong direction or the wrong beds.

• 21:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:11Corinne Vien?

  Where they're like sideways and like their brother's bed and their brother's like.

• 21:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. No, this one was one where they were, the second floor was under construction and I think it was like this, them and their sibling woke up in the midst of the nails and they had to like, getting out was super dangerous.

• 21:25Corinne Vien?

  That's even scarier. That's like something wasn't trying to, like I feel like most of the cases, it's like, oh, the aliens were just like doing a sloppy job, putting you back.

• 21:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This one, they were not doing their due diligence.

• 21:37Corinne Vien?

  Meant to scare them.

• 21:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

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• 23:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 23:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have one from our listener Alexis, and it was called, "There was a dude in my mirror once." Hello, I'm Alexis. I'm a brand new listener. This was sent last summer. And even though I don't really believe in the paranormal, I like listening to people who do, although after this experience, I'm like, how do you not believe?

• 23:59Corinne Vien?

  It's always funny when someone's like, "I'm not sure I believe," and it's like, but you're writing in-

• 24:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About your haunted experience.

• 24:03Corinne Vien?

  With a story, and they're usually some of the most intense and scariest ones. But I understand not want, like, I guess the point of the paranormal is like, we don't know. Like, what is it?

• 24:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'd rather, I feel like there's so many people who would rather be like, oh, it's gotta be something rational that I'm just, I was tired or like, whatever. And I think this is-

• 24:18Corinne Vien?

  Maybe the paranormal is rational. We just don't know enough about it to have it be like a regular explanation for things.

• 24:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Agreed. That's exactly what it is. Okay, Alexis says, "I'm honestly the kind of person who would be thrilled to see ghosts if they are in fact real, but I just yet to experience anything that couldn't be explained with just people teeping out on building construction. I argue this story. I'm always open to weird experiences and hearing things that challenge what I believe. If I hear a strange noise in my house at night, I'm not running away, I'm walking toward it like, hello, you good?"

• 24:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh. Brave, or, or the opposite of brave. A little too confident.

• 24:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've never-

• 24:54Corinne Vien?

  What if there was an intruder?

• 24:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you scare them.

• 24:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fight them off.

• 24:58Corinne Vien?

  Although, actually, I feel like you recently were like, oh, have you had any paranormal experiences? And I wouldn't call this paranormal because I don't know what it was, but like, last night, I really needed to go to bed early because I was so tired, but I couldn't. Until Brian came up to bed at like 10:15 and he was like, "You're still awake?" And I was like, "Yeah, because I heard you come up and start to walk down the hall and like, almost open the door like 30 minutes ago, and then nothing happened. No more movement, no person coming in."

• 25:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I feel like your family has just like left a mark on this house, so you guys are haunting yourselves.

• 25:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 25:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's my positive spin on it.

• 25:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I didn't tell him all those details because he would have been scared. I just said, "I heard something and I got scared, so I decided to wait for you."

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, make it easier for him to fall asleep. And then you switch. You were able to fall asleep peacefully and then he stayed awake all night. Okay, Alexis says, "I've never had a full-on ghost encounter, despite some friends who swear they've heard them, but I do have one story that came to mind when I listened to your Glitch in the Matrix episode. So as a background, I've been living in the same house since my freshman year, and it was newly built by my stepdad in 2017. My room had a small, one-person bathroom just a couple steps from my bed. And throughout high school, I struggled a lot with insomnia, but by senior year, things were getting better. I had easier classes, more free time, and I was finally getting some real sleep. I also started reading before bed again, fantasy romance stuff, so as context, nothing scary or dark.

• 26:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This one night, I was feeling proud of myself for getting sleepy around 1:00 or 2:00 a.m., which was much earlier than my usual 4:00 or 5:00 a.m., and I was dozing off. I decided to go up and pee before knocking out completely. So I walked a couple of steps to my bathroom, slid the door open, turned on the light, and at this point, I'm not even fully inside the bathroom, more like hovering half step in, half out, when I glance up and look in the mirror. I froze. I had to do a double take. There was a man in the reflection. The reflection in the mirror was not me at all. This guy looked like a real person, taller than me, stocky, bald, with a ginger beard. He didn't say anything, he didn't move, but he looked scared, like he was just as surprised to see me as I was to see him.

• 27:02Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 27:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It genuinely felt like I had walked into someone else's bathroom by mistake. We just looked at each other, confused and startled. I truly just stared at him, like, it truly looked like he was in the middle of brushing his teeth or something, or doing a nighttime routine. But again, I can only see him in the reflection of the mirror.

• 27:18Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 27:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's not in the bathroom. I panicked. I turned the light off, I backed up two steps, and I went back to my bed in shock. I sat there confused for a minute, trying to figure out what the hell just happened. Was I dreaming? Was I hallucinating? I pinched myself. I tried to calm down. Then I decided to get back up and check. When I turned the bathroom light on again, the man was gone, but the mirror that was in the bathroom was not my mirror.

• 27:40Corinne Vien?

  It looked like it was, but now it's not?

• 27:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Or maybe she was so taken aback by the man's reflection, she wasn't noticing that the mirror was different too.

• 27:47Corinne Vien?

  The mirror itself changed. Ugh.

• 27:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It looked like it belonged in an old house from the 1950s. There were pink tiles going halfway up the walls, white paint above that, an old ba-, oh, so even the whole bathroom was different. An old bathtub and shower combo, outdated fixtures, and a door in a different spot. Like, everything about it was unfamiliar in age, and I had never seen anything like it.

• 28:06Corinne Vien?

  Did they trade places like Freaky Friday for a second?

• 28:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For like a minute?

• 28:09Corinne Vien?

  What is this subway tile and-

• 28:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. "I turned the light off again, got back in bed, and hid under the covers frightened. I kept thinking, there's no way this was real. It was a dream, everything and anything that could possibly be logical. But I couldn't fall asleep, so after a few minutes, I needed to go back to the bathroom to check. And this time, everything was back to normal. My bathroom mirror was my mirror again, my bathroom itself was mine again, but I was still freaked out. I ended up crouching while I peed to avoid looking in the mirror, you know, just in case the guy was still somehow out there. Anyway, if the man in the mirror hears this somehow, hi, hope you're doing all right. I'd like to know if you had any nightmares about me, because I certainly had some about you."

• 28:43Corinne Vien?

  I mean, that's the thing. If this bathroom's from the 50s, it's not like, oh, I saw someone in early 1800s garb. Like, these people could both exist right now in this-

• 28:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the same time.

• 28:54Corinne Vien?

  Time, each with a weird story and then realize it was each other.

• 28:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's also weird because this is a brand-new build of a house. Like, was there a house that stood here before? And there's like a glitch in that way? Or is it just weird space-time continuum, coding got mixed up?

• 29:07Corinne Vien?

  I wish that locally, people had, you know, like newspapers or like websites will do like misconnections or whatever.

• 29:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:16Corinne Vien?

  And like, people in the same town will be like, oh, were you wearing this like, pink polka dot sweater and ordering your Dunkin' Donuts on this day or whatever? I wish that there was something for this, where it was like-

• 29:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's our podcast. If the man in the mirror is listening right now.

• 29:30Corinne Vien?

  But I want it to be like local, so it's easier to find.

• 29:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't know that it's local. What if this guy is in freaking-

• 29:34Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, you're right.

• 29:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Across the country.

• 29:36Corinne Vien?

  Because I was thinking like, oh, it has to be like the same town.

• 29:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it could be literally anywhere. Okay, side story about something weird that happened while I was listening to your podcast the other morning. Okay, so I usually play episodes while I'm getting ready and during my drive. The other day, I was blending out my makeup when, out of nowhere, my smoke detector spoke. Not a chirp, not a beep. A deep male voice said, "Battery low." I froze because my smoke detectors have never talked. They usually just chirp annoyingly when the battery is low, and I've lived in this house for years. Never, ever have I heard a voice come out of them. I thought maybe I was losing my mind until my parents walked in and said, "Did you hear that?" Naturally, I Googled the make and model, and according to the manual and literally every site I could find, those detectors do not have a voice function, no recorded warnings, nothing, just chirps.

• 30:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, yeah, I like to think that your podcast unlocked some secret firmware to make me check my fire alarms. From Alexis.

• 30:27Corinne Vien?

  Honestly, kind of a genius move if there's some sort of like guardian or is some protector who's like, okay, these alarms need to be checked because something will happen if they're not, to just pretend to be-

• 30:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A voice that goes with it?

• 30:41Corinne Vien?

  Battery low. It's like you don't even ask Siri anything and then someone else's voice is like,

• 30:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:47Corinne Vien?

  "Time to leave now for your appointment."

• 30:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Scary.

• 30:53Corinne Vien?

  But also kind of cool, but also what the hell?

• 30:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The man thing is, is, I would be terrified of that. If you walked into your bathroom late at night, 1:00 or 2:00 a.m.

• 31:01Corinne Vien?

  I wouldn't be able to go to the bathroom ever again.

• 31:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ever again. Oh, at least I like the pink tiled bathroom. That's very cute. Yeah, you don't even have a mirror in your bathroom down here.

• 31:09Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's, that's a commitment issue. That's because I haven't found a skinny one that I like.

• 31:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gotcha.

• 31:15Corinne Vien?

  Because it's a really narrow-

• 31:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is narrow.

• 31:17Corinne Vien?

  Space that I need for the mirror in.

• 31:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But after I ate my sandwich earlier, I wanted to go check if I had food in my teeth, and I go, can't in there. Have one in the studio, though. Don't worry.

• 31:25Corinne Vien?

  But like upstairs, I don't check my, I never look at myself in the mirror. Because remember, a couple of years ago, I looked at myself, but I was looking at myself and then saw myself look up. It was like just delayed enough that it freaked me out. Yeah.

• 31:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, mirrors are definitely very creepy.

• 31:40Corinne Vien?

  They are. Okay, I have an interdimensional ghost plane story.

• 31:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 31:44Corinne Vien?

  I go Sven's and Kitty's. Sven's. Sorry, they said Sven.

• 31:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There might be multiple.

• 31:50Corinne Vien?

  I literally ceased to exist if you read this on the podcast.

• 31:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, what?

• 31:54Corinne Vien?

  I will fangirl into oblivion.

• 31:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like you're going into another, like, did you glitch right after sending this email?

• 32:01Corinne Vien?

  Boop, plop, can't be perceived.

• 32:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We hope you're still with us.

• 32:05Corinne Vien?

  My name is Dakota and I'm a longtime listener of the pod. I joined Patreon last year and holy best decision I've ever made. I'm a believer in all things spooky.

• 32:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Promotion for Patreon.

• 32:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, thanks.

• 32:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Firsthand testimony.

• 32:18Corinne Vien?

  It's the best. Dakota said best decision they've ever made.

• 32:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 32:23Corinne Vien?

  I'm a believer in all things spooky and always bring you to up in any spooky conversation that I have with people because the triangles came.

• 32:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Woo.

• 32:30Corinne Vien?

  I've been meaning to send you to an email for years now. I have countless stories, everything from inception, dreams to ghosties, to premonitions. And I will share those in the future, but I just finished your episode Ghost Flight Vanishing of Malaysia Airlines, Part One. And I realized I have a spooky plane story that never really made sense to me.

• 32:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 32:51Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so to set the scene, I live in a smallish town, a farm town called Uxbridge, located in Ontario, Canada. I've been here for thirty-three years, moving three times with my parents, but always staying close to Uxbridge. We were forty-five minutes to an hour away from the downtown Toronto area, forty-five minutes to Pearson International Airport. And now this one morning in the summer years ago, I woke up late for work. I was rushing out the door. I work for my mom as a dog groomer, so if I don't arrive there early, I'm late in her eyes. And this drive is supposed to be an hour and ten minutes.

• 33:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 33:29Corinne Vien?

  As I'm rushing to my car, I noticed that there is a plane in the sky. The sun shone off it so brightly, it was blinding. So I stood there for a minute just watching the plane, and then something told me that I should be videoing. I always get these really weird gut feelings and I never listen to them.

• 33:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a weird one, yeah.

• 33:48Corinne Vien?

  Like, one of my strongest ones was when Bitcoin first came out. I had the strongest feeling that I should drop fifty dollars into it. Anyway, I digress.

• 33:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you didn't? Oh, such a bummer.

• 33:59Corinne Vien?

  I'll send more stories about that.

• 34:02Corinne Vien?

  All your dodges with becoming a billionaire. Anyway, I get into my Jeep and I start heading up my long driveway to the main road. I'm still glancing at the plane, and this is when I noticed that it seemed to have not moved from where it was when I first saw it minutes ago. So then I stopped the Jeep. I watch again for another minute, and this thing is definitely not moving.

• 34:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just hovering there?

• 34:22Corinne Vien?

  No jet fuel streaming behind it. The sun is still hitting it in the exact same spot. And might I add that because we're not super far from the airport, the plane was quite low. So I could count all of the windows. I could clearly see that it was an Air Canada plane. And so I drove onto the main road. I'm glancing at the plane, which I was now under, and it still was not moving.

• 34:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's weird, because I do like understand sometimes, just based on like where things are in the sky, like sometimes they look like they're not moving.

• 34:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But if you stop and you watch it, then eventually you're like, okay, it is.

• 34:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's gotta move.

• 34:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but this is like a prolonged period of time. Yeah.

• 34:59Corinne Vien?

  We both live by the airport and like you don't look up and see a plane for many, many minutes.

• 35:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:05Corinne Vien?

  Especially when it's that close to, like, you should only get to see it for a few seconds.

• 35:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I agree.

• 35:11Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so then I lose it in the trees for a split second, and then it was gone. I'm telling you, gone. I pulled over when I hit a clear spot and view of the city line, and it wasn't in the sky at all.

• 35:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 35:22Corinne Vien?

  Obviously, I've told my friends and family about it. My theory is that maybe it was from another timeline. It jumped into ours and then back into the other, I don't know, like a portal? I'm not sure. But there's a TV show called Manifest where the plane lands ten years later and the passengers haven't changed, yet the world around them has. Maybe it was that? Oh, I wish I videoed it. I'll forever be kicking myself, but I am so glad that I got to witness something so strange. Thank you too for all that you do, Dakota.

• 35:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dakota, at this point, you have enough evidence of like when your voice tells you to do something, to now do it.

• 35:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Film, buy that Bitcoin.

• 35:57Corinne Vien?

  You know, you know, you have so many examples where you didn't trust your intuition. You didn't trust your gut feeling.

• 36:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That little voice inside your head.

• 36:04Corinne Vien?

  Saying, just do it. Just don't.

• 36:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just listen to me.

• 36:07Corinne Vien?

  Listen to me.

• 36:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do whatever I say. Film the plane. Film it. At least it's nice and we just made it menacing, because slowly then it turns to.

• 36:17Corinne Vien?

  Upload it on TikTok.

• 36:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was gonna say.

• 36:20Corinne Vien?

  Tell a house one ghost. Start whispering my name in your sleep. Allow me inside.

• 36:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Possession. Yeah. Well, I don't know how to explain that. That's very strange. All right, well, I have a story called Glitched and Ended Up in a Different State.

• 36:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 36:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's from my listener Lily. Hi, Corinne and Sabrina. My name is Lily. You have permission to use my name. I just listened to your encounters episode about glitches and time slips, and it moved me to tell my own story about my own creepy glitch I experienced while driving. For context, I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, which is the most southwestern part of the state. It borders Kentucky and Indiana. A few years ago, I got invited to attend a girls' trip at a lake house near Columbus, Ohio, by a friend I was trying to reconcile with after a fallout. I knew most of the girls attending the trip, but wasn't close with anyone in particular. It was supposed to be three nights long, but by the second night, it was clear that I was not with a group of people I wanted to stay with, and I decided to leave early.

• 37:18Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 37:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So already, leaving early after like bad vibes.

• 37:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Columbus is exactly two hours northwest of Cincinnati, basically smack dab in the middle of Ohio. The lake we were at was a small lake in a very secluded area about thirty minutes outside of Columbus. When I decided I needed to leave and drive home, it was around eleven PM. It was summer, so the weather was nice, but it was pitch black outside. And now I've driven to Columbus many times, and it's essentially a straight shot from Cincinnati on a one highway the entire time. I got in my car to leave. I put in my address in Google Maps and called my now husband to keep me occupied on the drive home. Because of this, I wasn't really paying attention to the route. I was just following the directions because I wasn't really familiar with the area of this lake town that I was in. I just needed to get to the highway and then I would know my way home.

• 38:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My husband and I were yapping for quite a while, and I don't remember how, but suddenly I found myself on a one-lane road with absolutely no streetlights and maybe a small house every mile or so. I remember saying to my husband, I'm on a really creepy road right now, and I really can't see anything at all.

• 38:21Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 38:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I slowed down and I checked the address I had put in my maps, and it was correct, our home address in Cincinnati. I assume maybe there was a bad wreck on the highway and my maps was taking me some backroads way to beat traffic, so I kept driving. It's midnight at this point. And I had been driving for an hour, but I still had not gotten on the highway. Finally, though, I see the on-ramp, and I tell my husband, oh, my gosh, finally I'm at the highway. But then, as I got closer to the on-ramp sign, I saw it was going north, but I needed to be driving south, and there were no other signs pointing me to the south ramp. Again, stupidly, I assumed my map was rerouting me to be in accident or construction, which obviously this happens sometimes, and it often happens on this specific highway. So I keep rationalizing it. I get on to the northbound ramp. I keep driving.

• 39:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now, my husband and I share locations with each other, and by this point, I felt so confused and my gas tank was nearly on empty. So I call my husband and I ask him to look at my location and tell me what city I'm near and if there are any gas stations near me. He checks my location and yells out, holy shit, you're almost at Lake Erie. I'm like, what? Where the hell is Lake Erie? Like Michigan Lake Erie? He says, yeah, you're heading to Michigan. At this point, I'm freaking out. I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm almost out of gas.

• 39:31Corinne Vien?

  And they've like been on the phone with each other.

• 39:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I can't go back to the lake house, and now instead of being less than an hour from home like I should have been, I'm now four hours from home. I pulled off the highway immediately.

• 39:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there's no way.

• 39:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Quickly found the south ramp. I debated getting a hotel room for the night since it was now like twelve thirty AM, but my husband reminded me I was lost in a very rural area, and for my safety, it probably wasn't a good idea, not to mention it was unlikely that I would even find a hotel nearby. And something's trying to take you up north, like, no, go home. I was able to find a gas station by the time my car had seven miles to empty. I filled up, I grabbed a Red Bull, got on the highway going south to start my long journey home. To this day, I have absolutely no idea what was happening. It felt like I was driving through a parallel universe where I was on a one-lane road in pitch blackness. I checked my address in Google Maps while on that road and after I got home, in case I searched the wrong address, but no, I put in my home address. If my husband hadn't checked my location, who knows where I would have driven to?

• 40:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know what I would have encountered, but I do know that that entire trip had really bad energy, and I never should have gone to begin with. But yeah, that's my story. I'd love to hear your theories.

• 40:39Corinne Vien?

  Because you're not just sitting in the car for four hours not knowing.

• 40:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, she like had multiple moments where it was like, this feels wrong.

• 40:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But checked the address, checked maps, and had the correct address in.

• 40:50Corinne Vien?

  This makes me wish she had like data on her travel.

• 40:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 40:55Corinne Vien?

  Where it was like, okay, between mile thirty-two and thirty-three, it seems like your car traveled seven hundred miles in one minute. To like get you the extra, like, what happened?

• 41:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, or.

• 41:07Corinne Vien?

  How did you get there?

• 41:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At this point, you encountered an alien object and it rerouted you and tried to disorient you.

• 41:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or also just there were bad vibes on this trip, and obviously we don't have the context of what happened on this trip, but like, was it just negative energy following her that was trying to disorient her?

• 41:24Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 41:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank goodness.

• 41:25Corinne Vien?

  This is like a creepy one where it's like you don't realize.

• 41:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:28Corinne Vien?

  What's happening.

• 41:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And what's the intention and what would have happened?

• 41:32Corinne Vien?

  Just like Erie want with you.

• 41:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Lake Erie is haunted. I did a whole episode about it. I have an idea.

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  Sure, okay.

• 41:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We just read a glowing review about how Patreon is amazing and the best thing ever. And.

• 41:44Corinne Vien?

  Thanks, Dakota.

• 41:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is an episode where we would usually end it right now.

• 41:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we'd say, see y'all bitches later, except for unless you're on Patreon, you get an extra story. Should we gift all of our listeners the bonus story so that people can understand what they would get if they're on Patreon on a regular basis?

• 42:00Corinne Vien?

  Sure, okay.

• 42:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A little treat.

• 42:01Corinne Vien?

  Giving.

• 42:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're so, we're such good people.

• 42:04Corinne Vien?

  Here's a little treat.

• 42:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Here's a little treat.

• 42:06Corinne Vien?

  Every other week, you would get an extra story from an encounters, and every month, there's an entire full-length bonus either episode or encounters on Patreon. So there's a lot of extra content, but this week we'll give it to everyone.

• 42:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll give you a little treat, a little gift, a little taste. Should you want this every week or every other week, you can sign up on Patreon, and if you're an Only Phantoms tier, you would get the bonus story on Patreon.

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

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• 44:34Corinne Vien?

  Okay, and so this story is the misunderstood Bigfoot of Hungary.

• 44:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, you picked a good one.

• 44:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because Bigfoot is said to be an interdimensional being.

• 44:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely.

• 44:44Corinne Vien?

  So I was like, obviously I have to find a way to include a Bigfoot story.

• 44:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And here we are.

• 44:48Corinne Vien?

  And it's gonna just be for Patreon, but now it gets to be for everyone.

• 44:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're welcome.

• 44:51Corinne Vien?

  They start out and say, the name Matrovani Fanyovu would be very difficult for you to pronounce. So I'm going to translate it in a way that makes this easier to talk about.

• 45:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is this their name?

• 45:05Corinne Vien?

  No, this is the name of the

• 45:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, of the creature?

• 45:08Corinne Vien?

  Hungarian Bigfoot.

• 45:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 45:10Corinne Vien?

  The translation that you may call it is the woodcutter, though this is not the original name.

• 45:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 45:17Corinne Vien?

  The legend of the woodcutter first surfaced in the 1980s among miners.

• 45:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I love it.

• 45:22Corinne Vien?

  Later, in the late 90s, a school group reported seeing it. And then in 2001, a group camping near Matronovak encountered it as well, alongside several other reports. Every account described the exact same figure. A two meter tall being with long slender limbs. Its body covered in pale fur and its face faintly resembling that of an ape. Some claim to have seen it in the trees. Others believes it dwelled in caves and roams the forest at night. And there's a picture that we will include.

• 45:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so very Bigfoot like, but almost like Bigfoot meets Slenderman.

• 45:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's a very thin version of Bigfoot.

• 46:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Big hands too.

• 46:02Corinne Vien?

  My name is Vicky and I'm from Hungary. Hungary is a relatively small country, yet it is filled with cryptids and folklore that has never truly faded from the modern mind. A thousand years ago, before we adopted Christianity, back when we were new to find this land, a young nation among an older one. We followed very different belief systems. It was deeply rooted in nature, in rituals and the profound significance of dreams and the dream world. It was a world alive with wondrous beings.

• 46:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I feel like it's like Lord of the Rings.

• 46:32Corinne Vien?

  It does kind of feel like that.

• 46:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like fairies and elves.

• 46:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Though centuries have passed, a certain superstition and distrust of the unknown still lingers within us. I think we live by an unspoken rule, something akin to maybe the Appalachian instinct. We ignore what's strange because understanding it can bring misfortune upon us. We lower our gaze, we turn away from the mystery and magic, fearing what might unleash upon our families. The creatures of our folklore are almost always described as terrifying. Like the Garabonziass, a ragged boy carrying a magical book whose visits bring misfortune. Or the, God, these pronunciations, I'm struggling. The Markalab, which is a monstrous dog said to devour the sun or the moon.

• 47:17Corinne Vien?

  Or the Lideric, which appears in human or animal form, visiting people at night and engaging in intimate relations that leave the victim gravely ill.

• 47:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why does that feel like the Mononka? Also the sex with Faye on the eclipse.

• 47:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, you're right. Throw it back to one of those. Or the Vasurubaba, the iron-nosed crone who steals children away. So yeah, basically all to say, we're afraid of everything.

• 47:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would be too.

• 47:45Corinne Vien?

  It is no surprise then that most sightings, whether paranormal or cryptid, remain local whispers, never becoming widespread news. They survive only as nervous murmurs, dismissive gestures, because if we don't speak of it, it cannot harm us, right? And yet, there is one creature whose story somehow escaped the confines of hushed homes. It could not remain buried beneath fear. Its legend spreads beyond the guarded borders of the quiet villages and it has reached our entire country. This is Hungary's own Bigfoot.

• 48:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 48:18Corinne Vien?

  Oh, and then they include a photo, which we'll include.

• 48:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a creepy photo.

• 48:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and it says the creature was sighted from a moving car, though this picture, whether it's edited or true, is highly debated.

• 48:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It looks like Professor Lupin when he turns into a werewolf, doesn't it?

• 48:32Corinne Vien?

  You're right. Yeah.

• 48:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like the coloring, the way, and it also kind of looks like the Grinch stealing gifts.

• 48:40Corinne Vien?

  It does. Okay, so Matronovak is a secluded village hidden within dense forests in the northern part of the country. It's difficult to reach, it's surrounded by hills and mountains and yawning mines, the kind of place no one ever really hears about. But then, in a cryptid-focused blog in 2011, someone wrote about it, where the woodcutter was first named. Okay, and then they translate the post for us, so I'm gonna read that.

• 49:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Generous. Thank you.

• 49:05Corinne Vien?

  So this was posted in 2011 and translated to English, thank you to Vicky. It's been almost five years since I've heard from an acquaintance about a creature that lives in the forest. The forest is next to a village called Matronovak in Nograd country. The creature is supposedly human-like. It has long arms that reach down to its knees. It has been seen multiple times already and kids are not allowed to go out into the forest. At first I thought that this was just a rumor and I laughed it off. In December of 2010, I was reading a site about paranormal phenomena where people send in their own experiences. And one post caught my eye, written by a guy named Tibby. Tibby says, about two years ago, there is a memorial like two streets above where we live.

• 49:46Corinne Vien?

  We used to go up there with friends and drink because the view was very nice and I clearly remember everything. We were up at the memorial, you should know that this is a private property and is only open from 6 a.m. in the morning to about four o'clock in the evening. So we weren't exactly there legally. Behind the memorial, there's a small path and if you go along it, there's a smaller field. Before we even started drinking, the dog started barking really hard from the direction of the field and I've never heard the dogs bark like that.

• 50:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trust your pets.

• 50:14Corinne Vien?

  It was like the dogs were really scared. I told Danny, let's check out what this is, so we don't get into trouble because, you know, we are on private property.

• 50:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, go in the direction of what your dogs are terrified of.

• 50:24Corinne Vien?

  So we start down the path and that is when we reached the end of it. And in the middle of the field, we saw something that was not human. It was standing fully upright, its arms were hanging down to its knees. Its build was also pretty strange, like somehow it was way too thin. I know this sounds stupid, but it was very scary and it was walking towards a tree. And the weird thing is, is it knew we were there because it looked at us. I just don't know how it knew we were there because we were really quiet.

• 50:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause it has super hearing.

• 50:53Corinne Vien?

  It looked at us, turned back and then disappeared into the trees.

• 50:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, it could smell you too.

• 50:57Corinne Vien?

  It didn't come out from behind the tree. We had stood there waiting for it to come out again. And so then we went back to the others. We talked it through there and we couldn't find any reasonable explanation for what had just happened.

• 51:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It reminds me though of Bigfoot because a lot of people say like it uses the trees, like goes behind the trees to go through the dimensions. Yeah, and that sounds similar to what happened here.

• 51:18Corinne Vien?

  Cause it disappears.

• 51:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It just

• 51:19Corinne Vien?

  And like the footprints, like when people get castings and stuff, it'll be like boom, boom, boom.

• 51:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then just stop.

• 51:24Corinne Vien?

  Nothing. Makes no sense. So the original poster then writes, hearing this story surprised me quite a bit because this was very similar to the story that my acquaintance had told me. Then a few months later, I read on another website that someone saw a creature in April of 2011 and there were actually two cases, which here are those. It was very close to this forest. I just don't want to write down where because nobody would believe me anyway. But besides me, about seven other people could have seen it. It was evening, we were camping near that forest and it kind of was a farewell party, but that's not important. Around 1 a.m., I was watching the fire when I heard something moving about 25 meters to my right. I looked there and at the same time called my friend and a few others came out of the big tent with him.

• 52:04Corinne Vien?

  They also saw a very tall, long-armed creature that was moving along the edge of the trees. Sometimes it was on all fours, sometimes it was just standing upright on two legs. I immediately grabbed the axe and I sent the girls back into the tent while lighting this thing up with a pretty strong flashlight. The creature went back into the forest, but then for about five more minutes, you could hear big branches breaking.

• 52:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a long time.

• 52:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And again, similar to Bigfoot.

• 52:29Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And then the second case on this post, we were in the forest not far from the Russian barracks near Paselle with a good friend of mine. And we were just walking when we saw something in the bushes. Imagine being behind a two meter tall man. Imagine that it had longer arms reaching below its knees, standing with its back to you, and then it has Apache white, dirty fur.

• 52:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And two meters, I looked up as six and a half feet for us non-meter folk.

• 52:55Corinne Vien?

  When we're not on the metric system.

• 52:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:57Corinne Vien?

  When it crouched, its knees went above its head.

• 52:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ew.

• 53:00Corinne Vien?

  Its legs were that long. I saw a dome shaped head and maybe its neck was leaning forward or something like that. I only saw the cone like shaped head or what I thought was its head. It didn't look back, but it noticed and it jumped up, not very high, maybe about half a meter. And then it ran into the bushes. And of course we got scared too. So we ran in the opposite direction. We were very scared of it, but it did not hurt us.

• 53:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It sounds like it was very scared of them too, in that situation.

• 53:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So then the original poster said, okay, so this is very strange to me because now there are three cases that perfectly match the same creature's appearance with three witnesses. And they all live kilometers apart. They don't know each other. They've never heard each other's stories. So could there be a cryptid or just a well put together lie?

• 53:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cryptid.

• 53:45Corinne Vien?

  Vicky says, okay, so that was the article. I hope it sent a chill down your spine. Imagine its effect on the entire country. Stories like this began to surface. People opened up, sightings multiplied, and in the worst possible development, television.

• 54:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I understand why that story would want to be a TV show.

• 54:06Corinne Vien?

  A popular channel sent reporters to the village, interviewed locals about the entire phenomenon. And basically their conclusion was the woodcutter was nothing more than an elderly, limping villager with gray hair who'd worked as a lumberjack, just being mistaken for a monster. But personally, I don't believe that there's a 70 year old man wandering in the mountains in the middle of the night chopping wood and frightening campers.

• 54:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's crazy.

• 54:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 54:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A man? No.

• 54:31Corinne Vien?

  And if he could climb those hills with a limp, I'd very much like to know his secret. And in truth, the report served to only bury the stories and make people ridicule them.

• 54:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Government, government cover up.

• 54:42Corinne Vien?

  Government cover up of the Hungarian Bigfoot. And I do understand why people would be hesitant to share these stories because I have a friend who has a story and people are not very open to her story, but here it goes. At least this is how I remember it. My friend loved to walk at night, so much so that she would wander the countryside for hours along dirt roads and beside wheat fields. She had a headlamp and she recorded most of her walks on camera, though it mostly just showed her because she tended to talk a lot during them. One summer, a few years ago, she spent some time at her parents' house. The village was at the bottom of the mountains, not far from where this Hungarian Bigfoot has been seen. Her grandparents lived beside the forest, but the location did not stop her from setting

• 55:24Corinne Vien?

  out on her nightly explorations. On one of those many nights, she ventured into the dense forest beside the house. And though she never strayed from the worn path, knowing she would not find her way back otherwise, she started to grow braver and braver, pushing deeper into the cool mountains and the valleys where the slow streams hid. And one night, she was already far inside, walking through a valley. It was very cold and she had begun to head home when beneath the sound of her own footsteps came another set.

• 55:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is horrifying. My first thought is another human and that's terrifying.

• 55:57Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Yeah. Like something's stalking you. Someone's there.

• 56:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 56:00Corinne Vien?

  At first she paid it no mind. She was used to quiet creatures of the forest at night. Small pebbles ground softly in a steady stream. So basically the sound of a human gait.

• 56:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was used to that? Great.

• 56:11Corinne Vien?

  Her headlamp illuminated the narrow, bush choked pathway, winding through the valley. But that other sound would not leave her alone. It was slow. It was steady, just as her own. Nothing like crashing boars or quickly scurrying away smaller animals.

• 56:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's methodical.

• 56:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. She heard it to her left, where the valley rose steeply beside her. And from time to time, she would glance up towards the hiking trail, running above, and her light would reveal only dense, thorny undergrowth and the trees concealed everything beyond. But she did not dare slow down, afraid of those footsteps following her. Something was following her. So she climbed upward out of the valley and she reached a sandy clearing. She stopped to catch her breath, though she kept glancing over her shoulder. Since reaching the clearing, she could no longer hear the heavy dragging steps, but the thought of them unsettled her. She steadied herself. She decided she would run the rest of the way back home. So she packed away her camera. She tightened the strap of her backpack,

• 57:07Corinne Vien?

  cast one last glance into the dense darkness beside her, and she just set off. But she had barely taken a few steps when the creature appeared, not behind her, but in the forest stretching out before her.

• 57:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my, it was waiting for her to run.

• 57:26Corinne Vien?

  She stopped dead in her tracks, completely frozen. Moonlight lit the edge of the clearing ahead where the trees began, and there it stood, peered out from behind a hunting stand, almost as tall as the structure itself, which was about four meters high. This thing had long, bluish white legs, and it had this short, hunched upper body. With one elongated arm, it gripped to the side of the stand and leaned out and looked at her. Its face was hard to make out. She said herself, maybe fear just made her perception of it unreliable, but it seemed almost ape-like and it had twisted into this snarling, angry expression. She was stopped no more than seven meters from it, so far too close.

• 58:09Corinne Vien?

  The creature then crouched, half hidden by the hunting stand, and then with a sudden motion leapt up onto the roof. From there, it grasped a nearby tree and then vanished from her sight. If it made any sound, she didn't hear it. Her eardrums throbbed at the pounding of her own heartbeat. She felt dizzy. She felt like she couldn't move for several minutes. Her eyes remained fixed on the place where this human like figure had just disappeared from. And there and then she decided that the only way out was to convince her mind that none of what she saw was real.

• 58:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, pass it yourself.

• 58:41Corinne Vien?

  She has to be calm. So she began to hum. She began to move her arms and her legs, watching the forest around her, and she kept this up until the very first light of dawn crept in. The sky became pale, the birds started to sing, and only then did she manage to believe that maybe she was safe. And that is when she just set off for home. Not wanting her grandparents to worry, she ran past the hunting stand, threw herself into the forest. She ran and ran, leaping over branches, dodging stones, when from a distance came an animalistic roar.

• 59:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 59:14Corinne Vien?

  Echoing through the air. It rose in the valley, far behind her, and the birds suddenly fell silent.

• 59:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 59:21Corinne Vien?

  She ran faster.

• 59:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is horrifying.

• 59:23Corinne Vien?

  By this time, she burst out of the forest into the first street of the village. Her face and her legs were covered in cuts and wounds. Her whole body was shaking and she never, ever spoke of it at home. For months, she didn't want to think about it. She says she remembers it as being a nightmare. And every day she tries to convince herself that it was only that. But the location, the description of the creature, gosh, it just matches far too well. So what do you think?

• 59:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a question. Did your friend ever go on these long walks again? Because I would never go outside again.

• 59:53Corinne Vien?

  No. With love, Vicky. Also, when did your friend sleep? Because it sounds like she's always out in the middle of the night.

• 59:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's the cryptid who lurks in the woods.

• 1:00:01Corinne Vien?

  She's the other set of footprints people here.

• 1:00:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 1:00:04Corinne Vien?

  It's like it was watching the whole time or at least the work. Just like the fact that like as soon as she takes off running, this thing roars.

• 1:00:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Revealed itself and like showed it to her.

• 1:00:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like both times.

• 1:00:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:13Corinne Vien?

  Like first it was like right next to her. And then the second time it just like lets off a giant roar that silences the entire forest once more.

• 1:00:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Well, a little cute thing that this reminds me of is Delphina is like very much learning all her animals and like the animal sounds.

• 1:00:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She loves a lion.

• 1:00:30Corinne Vien?

  Does she roar?

• 1:00:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so we go, what does a lion say? And she goes, roar.

• 1:00:36Corinne Vien?

  I love when they do like these gruffy little, like gruffy little sounds.

• 1:00:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cute. So I'm just picturing Delphi's little roar.

• 1:00:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very fierce.

• 1:00:45Corinne Vien?

  Our, our neighbor dog is like this tiny little terrier. So I don't even know where Noah's hearing this dog. But now when he does woof, he goes, like it's, I can't even do it right now because it's my voice. It's like this really dark gravelly like, wrath, wrath. Which dog is doing that?

• 1:01:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so funny. It's so cute. That's the only roar I will accept.

• 1:01:06Corinne Vien?

  Dang, a Hungarian Bigfoot. It seems to be seen by a lot of people in this area.

• 1:01:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's interdimensional. Wow.

• 1:01:14Corinne Vien?

  Seems to be that way.

• 1:01:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, if you enjoyed that extra story, hey, guess what? You can get it every other week on Patreon and also so many other benefits on Patreon. So join us over there for bonus content. If you have any paranormal stories, please email them to us at [email protected]. Please rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts. Tell your friends, your family, your Bigfoots, everyone about our podcast because the pyramid scheme, that's how it works.

• 1:01:39Corinne Vien?

  Yep. Thank you to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie.

• 1:01:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And thanks to all of you. We love you.

• 1:01:45Corinne Vien?

  And we will see you on the other side.

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