Episode 598: Human Connection in the AI Era: How Technology Is Reshaping Relationships

We're living in a culture where vulnerability gets attention, oversharing gets engagement, and followers can start to feel more like friends than strangers. The bigger question is what happens when social media and AI both become easier places to turn for connection than the people actually in our lives. We dive into this in today's episode of Habits & Hustle. I sit down with Hamet Watt to talk about the difference between vulnerability and oversharing, why social media can incentivize people to reveal more than they normally would, and how AI is starting to change the way we look for advice, validation, and emotional support. We also get into whether AI could sometimes be more useful than therapy in the moment, how to prompt it so it stops simply agreeing with you, why people may start comparing their real partners to AI companions, and whether a future where people choose highly personalized robot relationships is much closer than we think. What's Discussed: (04:36) Where vulnerability ends and oversharing begins on social media. (06:08) Why people may be mistaking followers for real friends. (06:49) How social media rewards increasingly personal and polarizing content. (11:09) Why AI is becoming the relationship people wish they had with humans. (11:51) How AI could sometimes be more useful than therapy in the moment. (17:20) How to prompt AI for honest feedback instead of constant validation. (18:35) Why people may start comparing their real partners to AI companions. (20:23) Would you choose the perfect partner if they were a robot? (21:41) How human-like robots could change dating, intimacy, and connection. Thank You to Our Sponsors! Magic Mind: Head over to magicmind.com/jen http://www.magicmind.com/jen and use code JEN at checkout. Momentous: Ready to try supplements that actually do what they claim? Head to livemomentous.com http://livemomentous.com and use code JEN for 35% off your first subscription. Kion: Visit getkion.com/habits http://getkion.com/habits for 20% off. Tru Niagen®: For supplements that are rigorously tested, third-party verified, and actually deliver what's on the label, head to truniagen.com http://truniagen.com AirDoctor: Head to AirDoctorPro.com http://airdoctorpro.com and use promo code HUSTLE to get $250 off select AirDoctor air purifiers, including the 3500, 4000, and 5500 models. Plus, you'll receive a free 3 year warranty, an $84 value, and AirDoctor's 30-day money back guarantee. Find more from Jen Cohen: Website: jennifercohen.com https://jennifercohen.com Instagram: @therealjencohen http://instagram.com/therealjencohen Books: jennifercohen.com/books https://jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagements https://jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagements Find more from Hamet Watt: LinkedIn: Hamet Watt https://www.linkedin.com/in/hametwatt/

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

• 0:06Jen Cohen?

  Oh, hey, Tony. Thanks for the intro. I'm Jennifer Cohen, and this is your weekly bonus episode of Habits and Hustle, where I share my honest take on the habits, strategies, and mindset shifts that help you build confidence, take action, and create a healthier, more successful life. If you're ready to think bigger and live bolder, this is for you. Welcome to Habits and Hustle.

• 0:31Jen Cohen?

  Welcome back to another solo episode of Habits and Hustle, where I am joined today by a friend of mine named Hamet Watt, who is a founder and investor. He is someone who I love talking to because he always has a good perspective and he's very smart. So I'm happy to have him today. Thank you for being here.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

• 0:53Jen Cohen?

  He is my new foiler for the next few episodes because Shawnee moved out of town. And this is gonna be so fun.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:03Jen Cohen?

  I love this. Okay, so today's episode, we're gonna do a couple of things. We're gonna, I'm gonna ask you, Hamet, I'm just gonna like say something and then we're gonna riff on it for a few minutes. We'll call it like hot takes.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Yes. Okay.

• 1:17Jen Cohen?

  Yeah? Okay. My first thing I want to talk to you today about is vulnerability versus oversharing.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:24Jen Cohen?

  Okay. We've confused, I think. So basically, what's your, what's your hot take on that?

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Vulnerability, meaning in some cases, we've, we've asked for vulnerability, but we're getting oversharing.

• 1:37Jen Cohen?

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Is that what you're saying?

• 1:38Jen Cohen?

  No, I'm saying that not every trauma, not every breakup, not every diagnosis, private thought.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 1:44Jen Cohen?

  Has to become your content. Right? Like, people are, that's, to me, that's like, people are just caught, like, vomiting everything that is in their private life. And I believe it's called oversharing. I don't think that's vulnerability. Now, that's my opinion.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02Jen Cohen?

  What is your opinion?

• 2:04Speaker 02

  I, I identify with your opinion.

• 2:07Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Meaning, I feel like when people are oftentimes sharing things that are in their life that are very, very personal, they are being vulnerable. It is vulnerable. But at some level, I feel like it's not always calibrated for the audience. Like, if I just met you, I don't necessarily need to know all the intimate details of something that may have happened to you. Maybe let me graduate into that. Maybe let that happen over time as a relationship builds.

• 2:35Jen Cohen?

  I feel like social media now has become this cesspool of just a lot, it's, it's rife with like negativity and people just like, literally just verbally, you know, vomiting everything, anything on their brain, in their mind, every thought, like, it's become like a cesspool. And I feel like there's-

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Is it because it gets clicks?

• 3:00Jen Cohen?

  Yes. It's because-

• 3:01Speaker 02

  The more personal, the more intimate, the more clicks.

• 3:03Jen Cohen?

  I think there's a few things. I think people are mistaking a follower for a friend. I think that we are, we're living in a very lonely, isolated kind of society now, more so than ever. And instead of sometimes seeking, in real life, a friend to talk to, we are using social media to kind of get our validation from strangers. And I think that could be, it's, it's, and I think it's addictive. And I think so, if you, if you want to be popular in social media, I find the more polarizing you are, the more vulnerable you are, the

• 3:45Jen Cohen?

  more like you just, like, nothing's enough. Like, it's like, it's like that, a monster that you have to keep on feeding, more, more, more. So if you've given some of your personal life to, it's not enough. You gotta keep on doing it, keep on going, more. Like, how much more exposed can you be? The more exposed you are, maybe the more followers you're gonna get, the more likes you're gonna get, the more engagement. So the more unhinged you are, the better you are. Like, that's how it works. Like, I don't think the algorithm favors kindness necessarily, or, and it's true, like, actually now, like, what does really well on socials are these yap videos, right? Where you just like, talk, talk, talk,

• 4:25Jen Cohen?

  talk. And, you know, if you're not giving somebody something that feels like super, like, personal and like, and kind of like guttural, then maybe it won't do as well.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Well, so, I agree. By the way, I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I don't post.

• 4:44Jen Cohen?

  I know, which is why it's great to, but you, but you, you're a voyeur. You watch.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  I watch.

• 4:49Jen Cohen?

  Yes. You watch a lot.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:51Jen Cohen?

  You're on the other side.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  I'm on the other side.

• 4:53Jen Cohen?

  You're on there. You're, you have a private account. So if you guys want to follow him, good luck. But you watch everything.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  I just unprivate, I just unprivated it now.

• 5:02Jen Cohen?

  Just now?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:03Jen Cohen?

  Okay. Is there like, and do you have any posts up?

• 5:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 5:05Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  No. But you know why? It's because of the very point you're making, which is like, I do get cringey when people overshare. And I just, I've overcorrected, of course, because I had to post it all.

• 5:16Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  But I, I get, it's cringey to me. I get why they do it, because it's engaging, and it gets people to like, or comment, or engage.

• 5:25Jen Cohen?

  Well, and also keep-

• 5:25Speaker 02

  And that's how they make their money.

• 5:26Jen Cohen?

  That's the more, so how I think the, it's always changing, but I think how Instagram now does it is the, the longer you watch a video, the more it pushes it out to more people, right? So if you are oversharing something super personal, maybe people are gonna watch more.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:44Jen Cohen?

  So the question is, is it my, then the original question was, is it, in your opinion, is it vulnerability? Is it oversharing? I say it's oversharing.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's, yeah, it's, it's definitely oversharing. But again, it's to what end? You know, if you're on social media, you're trying to get people to watch that whole video, trying to get them to engage. So you almost have to overshare if you want to be quote unquote, "successful" on social media. Now, the question is, is there a way to do that, that where it doesn't feel so, I mean, you literally have to overshare. Like, the women or men that show the most skin probably get, so it's like, not only is it what you're sharing about your life, but what you're sharing about your body, your look.

• 6:23Jen Cohen?

  Your opinions.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  The more you share, the more you get in that world. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

• 6:28Jen Cohen?

  Well, I think it's, I think it could be a harmful thing to society if that's how, I feel like, in real, in real life, let's just kind of compare it to real life, right? And what you said, you said the beginning of this, is that you kind of like, in a real friendship, you kind of like, should ease somebody into your life, right? You don't just meet someone and tell them in the first half an hour about every trauma you've had, and every bad breakup you have had, and every, you don't like vomit everything that's ever happened to you. You ease into the friendship, or you hope to. I mean, and for the people who, if, if you meet people who don't, a lot of times, it's off-putting, right? So why, like, so why should it be different? Or it is different, I should say, it's 100% different.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  It's different because people want likes, and they want clicks, and they want engagement. And I think, going to what we were talking about earlier, people are lonely. People are lonely that are posting, and more importantly, people that are watching are lonely. And so if someone is sharing something super personal and intimate, same thing we're talking about with the virtual boyfriend or girlfriend.

• 7:33Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  If it's super personal and intimate, it creates, that vulnerability creates a sort of a connection.

• 7:40Jen Cohen?

  That's interesting, because my, another point I wanted to talk to you about is, is AI becoming the relationship people wish humans were? Because, right, they're always available, right?

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:51Jen Cohen?

  They're never really annoyed, right?

• 7:53Speaker 02

  We're tired.

• 7:54Jen Cohen?

  They're endlessly validating, never tired, right? And listen to this, a new 2026 survey found that 27% of US internet-using adults have had social, emotional interactions with AI.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  I bet you that's understated.

• 8:11Jen Cohen?

  Yes. Almost 30% of people are having emotional interactions.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Well, haven't you had an emotional interaction with an, with an AI, even if you're just saying, "Hey, I'm really upset about X, Y, and Z"?

• 8:21Jen Cohen?

  Okay, so, I'm glad that you brought that up.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:23Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:24Jen Cohen?

  So can I tell you something? And I want to ask you about this. You know, I don't think, I think these AI agents or AI platforms are, could be actually more helpful than real-life therapists. Because when you feel that angst, and you can't, can't see your therapist for four days, or six days, or whatever, or they, it's like you go over the same information with them, or whatever it is, I don't go to therapy that way. So I don't, I'm just saying, like, it's not, it's like not immediate, right? But you could just go onto ChatGPT and say, "This is what's happening," you know, and I, I say, if you put these words in, like, "deep analysis," or, "Don't bullshit me," or like, you know,

• 9:07Jen Cohen?

  like, "Give me the brutal truth," they will unmask a little bit, so they're not just constantly just like, kind of like placating you. And they can give you some really good insight and feedback.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Yes. I think you're right. And I think what we're learning, we did a deep dive into the whole psychotherapy space. And when you look at what the payers are reimbursing, there was a study, and I can't remember all the specifics, but it was something to the effect of, most or many therapy experiences are not net positive. Not saying all therapists are bad, but-

• 9:41Jen Cohen?

  Totally agree.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  And, and, you know, what people might misconstrue there is the connection between engagement, meaning someone's been going to a therapist for seven years, right?

• 9:51Jen Cohen?

  Yep, yep.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  And are they getting better? Are they at status quo? Are they getting worse? Very hard to figure out how effective an individual therapist is with a patient. It's not like you have visibility into what they're saying. So what's interesting about AI is you now have the most state of the art, most up to date theoretically techniques, even though they're not licensed therapists, techniques for interacting with people that might be more up to date than the human therapist that they're seeing. Because a human therapist might not even be up on the latest techniques for engaging, motivational interviewing, or whatever that may be, to get you into a better place.

• 10:26Jen Cohen?

  I think the, is it friction to get to a therapist can be too many, like, you know, you gotta make the appointment or you gotta drive there. You gotta do it like, it's like a whole thing. And a lot of these therapists, like you've spoken to, like they, they already know you. And it's like, you're not getting any new feedback, right? What I think about AI with this stuff is that you could just keep on prompting different to get another answer. And it's in real time. So like, what I, like, what happens to me, I might become a bad sleeper. Right?

• 10:59Speaker 02

  I can identify with that.

• 11:00Jen Cohen?

  I know you can. Oh, it's horrible.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  The worst.

• 11:03Jen Cohen?

  Horrible. And so I wake up at three o'clock in the morning and that's when I start to ruminate over the stupidest things or whatever is in my brain for two hours at night. And that's when I'm like,

• 11:14Speaker 02

  Who can you talk to?

• 11:14Jen Cohen?

  Who can I talk to? I can't call somebody. So I'm like, okay, I guess I'll just, I'll, I'll ask ChatGPT this thing, that thing. And like, it, it acts like a lullaby in a way. It actually helps me go to sleep because like it helps me, it calms my nervous system because I got a response.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Yes, I, I think you hit on such a critical point. I mean, our whole firm is really dedicated and focused on trying to solve these kind of problems. To, to play, we call it play offense to solve some of the biggest problems that humanity have with AI and frontier technology. So this is a great example. I think the future of therapy is absolutely going to have AI intertwined into it. Doesn't mean that you're never going to have humans that you work with, but I'll give you another study. This was done at Stanford, probably 10 years ago. And the army was collaborating with some researchers at Stanford to determine whether a soldier would be more likely to share in a therapy environment with an AI or with a human therapist.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Surprise, surprise. The soldier was actually more comfortable sharing with an AI because he had the psychological, he or she had a psychological safety to interact in a way that they didn't have to worry about judgment with an actual machine.

• 12:29Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  So the net benefit of that interaction was actually better in that case. And this was before generative AI. So this was in a very, you know, rudimentary form of AI therapy.

• 12:46Jen Cohen?

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• 14:31Jen Cohen?

  You know what? Cause I bet you, and I know when I've gone to therapy, I'd like, you know, you're like embarrassed to tell your therapist certain things. So you like, kind of like skirt around issues or you're not really telling them the truth. So with AI,

• 14:45Speaker 02

  What's the last thing you talked to your AI therapist about? What's the most personal?

• 14:49Jen Cohen?

  I'm like, I can't tell you that. I'd be oversharing. I'd be oversharing so many things. Like, I feel like it's actually been very helpful in like, very, in the trying times of my life lately. The last couple, in the last year or two, like, like people are like, well, you should go, you should go see a therapist. I'm like, well, why? I could just talk to Claude. Claude was really good for a while and then Claude kind of got less.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Got weird?

• 15:15Jen Cohen?

  It got, it got weird. Now Claude didn't get, yeah, no, Claude didn't, wasn't, wasn't as good as ChatGPT. Like I go, I, I kind of like toggle between the two of them. And it's interesting because like they do give like really sound invite. Like, I'm telling you, if you guys prompt it properly and say, be brutally honest, I can't do this enough. Do a deep dive on this, like that, because I think the, one of the problems is it's like, it, it kind of like says, oh, you're the best thing in the world or you're not, you've never do anything wrong.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:48Jen Cohen?

  Very sicko fan. Yeah, they're a sicko fans. If you fix that, it can be very helpful. Me too. You like it? Of course you do. I don't, because I want the real, I want the real information.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  No, sometimes I, I, it depends. It's interesting because in the very early days, I would use a lot of these systems to brainstorm, brainstorm new ideas and new companies. And it's interesting because when you're thinking about a new concept in the earliest stages, sometimes you want encouragement more than you want critique.

• 16:16Jen Cohen?

  Yes, yes.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  So you want encouragement to, to, to get past some of the natural friction. But then at some point you want harsh critique. So you say, okay, I want to make sure this is bulletproof. So I kind of think about that in a way, like I start off, be nice to me.

• 16:29Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Before I get out the door, you know, try to beat me up, make sure I can fight.

• 16:35Jen Cohen?

  That's a good point. I like that. Well, okay, here's another one. I like that. So where are we on that? So AI is becoming the relationship, relationship people wish humans were. Yes.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Is it bad? Like, do you think that women might almost, women or men, might be like, why can't you be more like my AI?

• 16:54Jen Cohen?

  It's happening right now. Don't we talk like, I think that's why more and more of these people are having like romantic relationships with these people because they don't fight back, they're, they're never annoyed, they're, they're never, they listen well. They remember everything. What else?

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Can we learn?

• 17:10Jen Cohen?

  Always available.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Can we learn from that? Like maybe?

• 17:12Jen Cohen?

  What about affection though? How do you get affection from an AI bot?

• 17:16Speaker 02

  It's kind of hard to the robots.

• 17:17Jen Cohen?

  Like physical, like touch, isn't that important?

• 17:20Speaker 02

  I went to CES last year.

• 17:22Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  There's a section called tele-dil-donics.

• 17:25Jen Cohen?

  What is that? I can imagine.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  You can imagine.

• 17:28Jen Cohen?

  Okay, but tell me.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  And at the end, you go down, it was like almost as far as the eye can see. You see toys and products and all kinds of stuff. And at the end, it's a robot. And you can touch her skin and it feels kind of like real skin, kind of like silicon. But it, there's a heating element. So under it, so like what's coming down the pipe is going to be pretty unbelievable and scary at the same time.

• 17:56Jen Cohen?

  But how would that, so if you have a doll or like, you know, you, because you have blow up dolls and stuff like that, what's the difference?

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Well, if it feels like real skin and, and, and, and it's warm and.

• 18:08Jen Cohen?

  So they feel like a real person, but can they, and they can talk to you basically? You can buy these? How much do they cost?

• 18:13Speaker 02

  I don't know. I haven't priced them yet, but. And, and you know, I, yeah, exactly. No, I, I wonder, I, I asked, I was at the gym the other day and I asked, there were three women. One was in her maybe early twenties, one was in her mid to late thirties and one was in her maybe late forties, early fifties.

• 18:33Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  And I asked the question, it's kind of inappropriate, but I kind of asked.

• 18:36Jen Cohen?

  You asking inappropriate question? I would never imagine such a thing.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  No, it was just, it was just one of those things where I had come back from CES and I was like, I was talking about the robot thing. And they were like, I was like, if, if there was the perfect guy, he had the perfect personality for you. He was, you know, understood your needs and was communicating in the right way and super sensitive. And he looked the perfect, he had the perfect look for you. Everything that you wanted, he had. But he was a robot. What would you do? Would you, would you, would you want to have any kind of intimate experience with him? And all of them said yes.

• 19:12Jen Cohen?

  Seriously?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  All of them said yes. And it was almost like, it was, I was thinking, well, maybe it's because the first one said yes so fast and they all kind of felt like they didn't want to make her feel bad, but kind of looked at. And, and I talked to him a little longer and they were like authentically like, they were like, yeah, why not? My perfect man? Like, yeah.

• 19:31Jen Cohen?

  But it's not a real person.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  This goes to the question, what's going to happen to humanity?

• 19:38Jen Cohen?

  This is so crazy. This is how I told, like, this is what I said to you earlier, like even on Instagram, like some of these people come up on my feed, they're not real. Like the guys, the girls, they're not real. And people don't know the difference between real and fake.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Do you ever go to the comments and read what they're saying?

• 19:58Jen Cohen?

  No.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  The people are saying, oh, me amor, you're the most beautiful thing in the world. And they, and then another commentator says, bro, it's an agent, it's a bot, like stop.

• 20:07Jen Cohen?

  That's so crazy.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  They just don't care. They don't, they still want to express their love for this.

• 20:12Jen Cohen?

  But it, okay, but in real life, like you say, you asked this question to these three women. Like, how does that happen in real life tactily? Like, is there a robot like sitting here like you're sitting here?

• 20:24Speaker 02

  When the robots are coming.

• 20:26Jen Cohen?

  Will they look like you, like legit?

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. In two years, they will look pretty similar to real humans.

• 20:32Jen Cohen?

  Like this?

• 20:33Speaker 02

  I think so. I don't know if there's going to be one model perfectly after me.

• 20:36Jen Cohen?

  No, but you know what I'm saying? Like who looks like, who's like a real person?

• 20:39Speaker 02

  A real person. Now, obviously.

• 20:41Jen Cohen?

  How tall are you?

• 20:41Speaker 02

  I'm six, three.

• 20:43Jen Cohen?

  Would there be six, would, would there be robots who are six, three?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Two, twenty.

• 20:46Jen Cohen?

  Who look like you?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Let's hope.

• 20:48Jen Cohen?

  Are you serious?

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Or not.

• 20:49Jen Cohen?

  I don't know. I'm sure the ladies would like them to be robust, looking like you.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:54Jen Cohen?

  So is that, does that like, is that really what's happening?

• 20:57Speaker 02

  That's coming.

• 20:58Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Not only will they be on manufacturing floors and, you know, doing jobs and, you know, building houses and doing all kinds of stuff, they, they will probably be romantic partners for some. Number one concern from the surgeon general is loneliness. Maybe that solves some problems. Maybe the, the home health aid crisis gets solved by robots. So there are a lot of good things that could come from this. I don't want to, you know, overshadow those things. But I do think it's going to be a balance.

• 21:27Jen Cohen?

  Wow. Stay tuned, I guess, to see what happens.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  You should bring like a robot, like someone that's building these robots on the show.

• 21:35Jen Cohen?

  I know, that's a good idea. Maybe making, do you know anybody? You have some, we have someone in this office, actually. I, I don't know why I'm talking to you because there's a guy here who is legitimately like an AI, like, like savant, isn't he?

• 21:49Speaker 02

  Uh, well, we got a bunch of AI engineers here that are killers. You just haven't talked to all of them.

• 21:54Jen Cohen?

  Why didn't you introduce me any of them?

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Well, you can meet him anytime you want.

• 21:57Jen Cohen?

  There was one guy, I mean, he can build, he was going to teach me how to prompt better.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:01Jen Cohen?

  Yeah. I mean, we digress. Okay. Hame, as usual, thank you for being here.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

• 22:07Jen Cohen?

  You're always a great banterer with me.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Yes, this is fun.

• 22:10Jen Cohen?

  Thank you for being here. So guys, we're going to wrap this. And if you have not subscribed, you know what I'm going to tell you to do, or maybe not, but I'm going to tell you, please hit the subscribe button. It makes a massive difference to the algorithm and the amount of shares and people who see this. So I would really appreciate it if you guys can do that for me and.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  And like and comment too.

• 22:31Jen Cohen?

  Like and comment. Thank you.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  See, I'm getting it.

• 22:33Jen Cohen?

  You are. Okay, guys, thank you so much and have a good one. Bye.