Episode 387 - Paranormal Evidence with Ash from Morbid Podcast

Ash from Morbid is filling in for Corinne, and we are very excited to welcome our honorary Two Girls One Ghost brother for an episode packed with paranormal evidence, creepy childhood encounters, and some seriously wild ghost photos. We swap personal haunted house stories before diving into listener submissions including a shadow figure caught on video, a purple orb connected to a deceased loved one that follows a listener through a series of photos, and more. Listen to Morbid podcast here. Watch Morbid on YouTube here. Check out Alaina’s new book, Butcher Legacy, here. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You guys, I just got home from the recording that you're about to listen to. And I'm really excited to share it with you. So like I said last month, there are a couple of episodes that we didn't pre-record. Corinne and I together did not pre-record. So I have a guest for today's episode. It is one of my nearest and dearest friends, and brother, as we call each other, Ash from Morbid Podcast. We get some stories from Ash's childhood and also share some stories with paranormal evidence. So this is one of those episodes we highly recommend going over to YouTube to check out the photos and videos. But if you prefer listening, totally fine. We'll post all the images and videos on social media this week as the episode comes out.

• 2:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So check it out over there and enjoy the episode. I love Ash. Also, Elena couldn't join us today, but she does have a book that just came out. So please go support my other brother, Elena, whose book, The Butcher Legacy, just came out and is available for purchase. It's a third in The Butcher and the Wren series. And I might have a little inside scoop on it, and all you need to know, it's amazing. Okay, enjoy the episode. Oh, this is also Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Two girls, one ghost.

• 3:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 3:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Welcome.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thanks for being here.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  I've never been here.

• 3:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brother Ash.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Brother Sabrina.

• 3:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You've never been here. This is your house.

• 3:14Speaker 03

  I've been in my house, but I've never been on your pod.

• 3:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Technically, you have multiple times.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Have I?

• 3:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not alone.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Okay, see that. Yeah. Multiple times?

• 3:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we did the Lizzie Borden episode and then, but the year before that, I think we did when we recorded in the vault, the bank vault in Boston.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. That's, wait, that's like when we met.

• 3:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That was our origin story.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I forgot about that.

• 3:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We met.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Fuck, I'm like, I don't know our friendship.

• 3:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm trying to think. There was a time that Corinne and I had gone and investigated the Conjuring House.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 3:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I don't know how we became friends, but we went and got breakfast with you and Elena in like a diner.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  I feel like that was after.

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, that was before.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  That was before the vault?

• 3:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think so. And then the vault came after.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  So we were just, we were just homies.

• 3:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We just like, we were meant to be homies.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, we fell in love. And then we, you being like, this is our friendship, Ash. This is how this works.

• 4:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then we did witch class together.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  We did do witch class together. That was so fun.

• 4:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which a lot of people on Two Girls, One Ghost have been like, okay, why have you never talked about witch class?

• 4:15Speaker 03

  I know.

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I feel like I would occasionally share knowledge that

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I shared, but I also didn't want to share the location of it.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Well, that's why I've really refrained from saying anything, because like, it's in my town.

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. Yeah, I don't want people showing up.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, I gotta keep the witch class chill.

• 4:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that was a bonding experience.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  For so many reasons.

• 4:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For so many reasons.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  For so many reasons, yeah.

• 4:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it was very, very fun.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  I loved witch class.

• 4:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You also, are you still doing your astrology one?

• 4:40Speaker 03

  I fell off of it because this summer has just been like really, really, really busy. But I'm gonna have like a meeting with the teacher where she basically just like catches me up.

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I love that. A one-on-one?

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, literally.

• 4:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Private session?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  No, she's great.

• 4:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  I've missed like three classes, though, so. I did like the first installment, and then I'm in the advanced course.

• 4:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  But I couldn't keep up with the advanced course.

• 4:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like AP classes.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  No, literally. Yeah, but I'm like, yeah, I didn't do those in high school. I did like the remedial ones, so.

• 5:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But look at you now.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  I know.

• 5:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We both pick stories from our listeners with paranormal evidence, so.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  I know, and I almost picked one that you guys have already covered before.

• 5:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which literally comes out in an episode that comes out like the week before this episode with you comes out.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm like, change it.

• 5:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or was it like kismet and serendipity and meant to be read?

• 5:24Speaker 03

  I think so. That one's creepy.

• 5:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is creepy. Encounters, let's see, which one is it? I'll let everyone know so they can.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Look out for it.

• 5:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Look out for it. It's a ghost photo from Myrtle's Plantation. And I think Corinne read it on Encounters 344, which comes out August 13th. So yeah, like the week before our episode.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  I looked at this picture at like 11 o'clock last night as I was like,

• 5:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Haunting.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  Basically just like getting ready for bed. And I was like, I probably shouldn't have looked at that. Like, ew.

• 5:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do things keep you up at night?

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Yes. Paranormal things. True crime things. Some true crime things keep me up at night, but a lot of times I can kind of like compartmentalize.

• 6:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  Paranormal things for some reason, like paranormal activity, the Broadway show. They're like off Broadway, whatever it is.

• 6:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's on Broadway now.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say, it just moved.

• 6:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so good. They just, yeah, they're in New York now.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  I saw it twice.

• 6:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So good.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  I was just as scared the second time, because the first time we went, we were in the front row. So we couldn't see a lot of what was happening on that second floor.

• 6:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  I actually screamed at an audience.

• 6:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You did?

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Yes. You know the.

• 6:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You were that person?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  You know the, no, I literally was. And I was like, oh, my God, that was involuntary. Like, I'm not that person. The part where like somebody like, oh, yes. I literally was like, ah.

• 6:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's haunting. The way that they did, I'm trying to talk to Cher Alvarez, who's the main actress in that.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  She's incredible.

• 6:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to have her on.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  If you get her on the podcast, I'll poop my pants.

• 6:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, because she's incredible.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She also has a lot of paranormal experiences.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Really?

• 6:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So they invited me to go to the show, Two Stories. And afterwards, we had a conversation with them. And I was like, so doing this show, are you guys haunted?

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they've had a lot, because they toured it around the US.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  So we met somebody in costuming, I think.

• 7:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's very cool.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  And she was telling us like the theater has been experiencing a lot, like the, what is it, the Emerson?

• 7:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Emerson Colonial.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, so they have some great stories. But then second, they also filmed our group of people and our reactions watching the show.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Like the audience?

• 7:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The entire time, I'm literally like.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  You didn't get, like, you didn't jump?

• 7:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I like, I think I smile when I'm scared.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Do you really?

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I was just like.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Wait, I'm gonna have to look at you on my ear. Our next investigation, and you're just gonna be like cheesing in the corner as I'm like crying.

• 7:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is also like haunting in a way, I guess, just having a creepy smile.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  We're both haunted.

• 7:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You are haunted, yeah.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  We're both haunted. I'm hella haunted.

• 7:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, okay, before we get into our stories.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because I feel like we talk so much about life when you and I hang out, but I don't know about any hauntings that have happened in your life.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Really?

• 7:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Recently, or in general. I mean, I know some, but yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  I mean, recently, luckily, nothing. I moved into a new house, and it is older than my last house, but I haven't, I mean, fuck on what, I haven't experienced anything. I'm really not in the mood to experience anything.

• 8:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not today.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  I'm just like, please keep it to yourself. Like, we can all coexist here.

• 8:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I feel like even if you did, you'd be so unbothered. You'd be like, yeah, I can't deal with you right now.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  I'd be pretty bothered. I'd be pretty bothered. I'd be like, can you just like not show yourself?

• 8:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can you leave me alone?

• 8:16Speaker 03

  We can just, we can vibe together.

• 8:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  I used to see a lot more stuff when I was little, and I feel like that's such a common experience, like, because you're so much more open to it. So have I told you the story when I lived at my grandparents' house with my mom, and I like woke up in the middle of the night?

• 8:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 8:30Speaker 03

  Okay, so my grandparents have an old farmhouse. I think it's like 1900s, like early 1900s. And it's like literally used to function as a farm. So my, it's a gorgeous house. But my mom and I used to live there, and we actually shared a room with Elena. And there was like a curtain in the middle, because Elena was like, stay on your side. To my mom, I could go on both sides.

• 8:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Elena is a queen of boundaries.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's a capricorn.

• 8:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great with boundaries.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was a big shower curtain in the middle, and it was like I had free reign to go, but my mom probably needed like a password or something. And Elena is very neat, too. And my mom is like, not neat at all, and honestly, neither am I. But anyway, so one night I was sleeping, and my mom and I were like, kind of in like a daybed, like pushed up against the side of the wall. And then there's a closet right here. And I woke up and I looked down and I literally saw like full, not even like an apparition, like a child in like plaid little pants, like old timey pants, like little like vest and like newspaper cap.

• 9:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Newspaper boy?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  Exactly. Just reading my mom's book, like leaned up against the.

• 9:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Reading your mom's book?

• 9:32Speaker 03

  Reading my, like, holding my mom's book, reading it.

• 9:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What book was it?

• 9:35Speaker 03

  I think it was probably like a fucking Danielle Steele novel.

• 9:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I love that so much.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's getting heated in here. He was like, damn, it's steamy. And so I woke my mom up and I was like, mom, like, there's a boy, like, what the fuck? And she was like, no, no, no, like, go back to sleep. But then I think there was like a nightstand or like a dresser that the book had been on.

• 9:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  And when she woke up the next morning, the book was on the floor, like, in, like wedged in the closet.

• 9:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the closet?

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, like wedged in, like, next to where he was sitting, because he was sitting up against the closet. So everybody was like, I think she saw what she said she saw.

• 10:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you for sure saw what you said you saw.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  I mean, I did.

• 10:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  And I honestly, I feel like he's like my homie. Like, I'm like,

• 10:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  He didn't scare me or anything like that.

• 10:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, he just trying to read books.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was just being literate.

• 10:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also how I want to spend my afterlife.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, just reading books.

• 10:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's so many books.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so little time.

• 10:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so little time. It's one of the most depressing thoughts.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  I know.

• 10:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That I'll never be able to read all the books.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  I know.

• 10:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But now it's promising that you can do it in the afterlife.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  See, there's hope. There's hope. You can just be a little newspaper boy reading in the afterlife.

• 10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Reading the book. Yeah, I love that.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a good haunting.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a cute haunting.

• 10:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  I've had scarier ones, but.

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's your scariest?

• 10:43Speaker 03

  I used to live in an apartment with my mom and obviously because I was a child.

• 10:50Speaker 03

  And my bed used to shake, like, a lot. And I would wake up and it would, like, continue shaking.

• 10:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So Corinne had that a lot and I had never experienced it.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's a common thing.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's scary. Well, I never, like, really said anything because I was like, I'm probably just imagining it. And I was a bad sleeper anyway, so I'd, like, get in trouble for not going to sleep. So I'd just be like, I guess I'm just dealing with this. And I heard my mom and my stepdad one day talking about, like, weird shit happening in the apartment. I was, like, eavesdropping.

• 11:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  And they were saying that their bed, like, had, like, weird shit had been going on in their room and their bed was shaking. And I was like, I'm not crazy. And then it turned out somebody had been in, like, a really bad motorcycle accident.

• 11:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, shit.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  That had lived there and that their bike was still on the property because I think they were, like, family members to somebody that lived there. So maybe it was like,

• 11:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  You know, like unfinished business, energy or something like that, you know? I don't think it was necessarily like that person.

• 11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  But I think.

• 11:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just like the energy of it.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  The energy, like, the sadness and the.

• 11:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 11:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's intense.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've lived in a lot of creepy apartments because we moved a lot when I was younger.

• 11:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 03

  I've seen a lot of ghosts and experienced a lot of weird shit.

• 11:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I love it. And that's why you're a weirdo.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Here I am and here you are. Look, you've turned it into a career.

• 12:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's so funny. Every time I meet someone new and I tell them what I do, they're like, how did you get into it? And then it's inevitably, I'm like, well, I grew up in a haunted house and then, like, I have to tell the whole story.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  I don't know that much about your haunted house.

• 12:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  I know about Corinne's haunted house.

• 12:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  And Corinne's got, like, Corinne has weird shit for days.

• 12:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've done, like, the Corinne special and hers had to be a two-parter.

• 12:23Speaker 03

  I bet.

• 12:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I feel like she could probably do, like, a three-parter.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  I need to go back and listen to those. I didn't know you did that.

• 12:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Mine's like half an episode and it's mostly talking about my dad.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, yeah, we moved into the house when I was four. My sister was six. My brother wasn't born yet.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Was this in Jersey?

• 12:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In Jersey. It was a brand new build, but it was built on, like, farmland. And almost immediately, there was, like, a negative, dark energy.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That I dreamt my sister was possessed. And I found out 20 years later, basically, 18 years later, that I had, like, sleptwalked and actually seen something that had happened.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  What?

• 12:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  I don't know this.

• 13:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I had this reoccurring nightmare growing up and it started when we moved into the house. That I would wake up as I had gone to bed. It's like my room would be the same.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would be in outfit that I had gone to bed in.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  But you were, like, sleepwalking?

• 13:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I was, I thought it was a dream.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I would feel like this presence was at my doorway and it felt like I needed to follow it. So I would follow it down the hallway to my sister's room. And I would open my sister's bedroom door and it would be like, there's like black and white orbs fighting over her, like diving down, fighting over her.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Okay, wait, I think you've told me a little bit of this.

• 13:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I woke up, always woke up at that moment. Like, it was scary.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Okay. And you would wake up and, like, see nothing? Like, things would be back to normal?

• 13:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, or I'd be in bed.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 13:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Fast forward, I'm 21, graduating college and I'm at dinner with my dad, my sister, my brother. Somehow the conversation of reoccurring nightmares comes up.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so I start saying this one and, like, a couple of other reoccurring nightmares I've had. My dad drops us off at, like, a grad party, you know, going to drink the whole night away. But I get a text and he's like, hey, do you have time tomorrow to, like, chat before I fly home? Because something you said tonight happened in real life, like, it wasn't a dream. And I was like, excuse me politely, what the fuck?

• 14:13Speaker 03

  You're like, which fucking recurring nightmare of mine was real?

• 14:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What are you talking about? And he goes, yeah, that dream you had about the, like, black and white orb was fighting over your sister happened in real life.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  So he saw that?

• 14:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So he, one night, woke up, again, we had just moved into the house, he'd fallen asleep on the couch watching TV, and he woke up to a weird sound.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He thinks it's the TV, turns it off. He starts, like, going down the house. It's late at night.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  This scene, you're really setting this scene.

• 14:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this is exactly, also, I met him at a bar.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he orders a Bloody Mary and I was like, this is so perfect.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  You're like, damn.

• 14:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spooky.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Setting the vibe.

• 14:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it. So he starts going through, like, the downstairs, make sure the doors are closed, like, windows are locked, and he starts heading upstairs to go to bed.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But as he's climbing the stairs upstairs, he just gets that feeling that, like, someone else is in the house.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 14:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That shouldn't be.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, that hair-raising feeling. So he climbs up the stairs. My bedroom's right there. He texts on me, I'm asleep in bed.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 15:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He texts on my mom, she's asleep, and he starts going down the hallway towards my sister's room and, like, he's like, it just starts getting colder.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  Stop.

• 15:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And, like, my instincts are like, run.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 15:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But obviously, my sister's sleeping over there.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  And he's like, my daughter is right there.

• 15:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Six-year-old child. So he goes to her room.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  She was six at the time?

• 15:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, she was six.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 15:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He touches the door handle and he said it was ice cold.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 15:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Opens the door, said that, like, all the air was sucked out of the room. My sister is laying in bed, asleep. He takes one step towards her and she's laying there, eyes closed, asleep. Her mouth starts moving and a deep, guttural voice comes out and says, get out.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  Brother. Look at my arm right now. What the fuck? How do parents do that kind of shit? Like, I want to have kids someday and I'm like,

• 15:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How horrifying.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  I don't know that I'm built for, like, that kind of paranormal experience.

• 15:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, right, like, I'd be like, okay, I will get out. Like, you're good.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  I just watched Paranormal Activity 2, like, the one that focuses on the baby. I was like, well, I just feel like, I loved him.

• 16:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  It's all you. What am I gonna do? That's so fucked. Ew.

• 16:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So scary.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  So what did he do?

• 16:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So he goes up, he's like, I'm not gonna get out. Yeah, he's like, well, this is horrifying.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  He went to bed.

• 16:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's like, see you later. My sister still is possessed to this day. He goes up to her and he, like, grabs a hold of her and he's like, leave my daughter alone.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, my dad is a complicated person. He has so many hauntings and stuff that he's experienced in his life. So he's like, this is not my first rodeo with a demon. I've got this. Yeah, he is like, leave my daughter alone, wakes her up. She's fine, confused, like, why are you waking me up, bitch? Like, I'm trying to sleep. Yeah, had a good dream.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was in, like, Hawaii because this demon took over my body.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know?

• 16:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, so then he, like, picked her up and went to turn and take her to sleep in his, in bed with my mom and him. And I was sleepwalking, like, I was standing at the doorway.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Stop it. So you saw all of that, like, didn't realize it?

• 16:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, as, like, good and evil fighting over my sister.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  So the good was your dad and then the evil was, like, the demon? So then, did you guys have more experiences living there?

• 17:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So my dad got the house.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  Did she just sleep in her fucking room the next night?

• 17:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. They got the house blessed after that.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then we did have a mom and son, like, good spirits in the house. And my brother, when he was born, would wake up crying all the time, be like, mom, tell the little boy I don't want to play, I'm trying to sleep.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 17:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  His toys would go off. And then there is a closet in our basement that we were all scared of. And we kind of think that when the house got blessed, like, whatever that dark energy was, just got, like, sequestered to the closet.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Well, you got to bless the closets, too.

• 17:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 17:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm always curious, like, if the current family has anything happen.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Have you ever reached out?

• 17:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  Do you want to be on my podcast?

• 17:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, should I knock on the door one day? Be like, hey, I used to live here with a, with a microphone. Do you experience any hauntings in this house?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Hi, my name is Sabrina and I am here today.

• 17:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm here on the streets of Branchburg, New Jersey.

• 17:53Speaker 03

  Oh, my god. Just boots-on-the-ground journalism. I think you should.

• 17:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  I think that's like a book, like, I used to live here.

• 18:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There is, um, Marcus Cluer?

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's on my TBR.

• 18:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We used to live here.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Or, yeah, right, TBR?

• 18:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. We're actually for our book club reading The Caretaker by him and he's gonna come join our book club.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 18:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So excited.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 18:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, should we read our stories?

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna start.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. This is called Ghost Caught on Camera, My Haunted House.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From our listener Rebecca, and the video is.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  So scary.

• 18:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it's amazing.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it is scary in the sense that catching anything on camera is a little scary.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  It's my worst fear. That's why I don't have cameras inside. I have them outside.

• 18:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But I also want to see, like, I want to know, you know? It's like the sick fascination.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  No, I get it.

• 18:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay, but the story is also kind of sad.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, ghostly girls. My name is Rebecca. I'm from Australia. I found your podcast this year and I've been binging it nonstop. I had to share a video of a ghost I caught on camera while filming a vlog in my bedroom. So some backstory, I've always felt connected to the spirit world and I have lots of paranormal stories to share with you guys, including when I saw the hat man.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Oh, not the hat man.

• 19:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Terrifying. I moved into my partner's house, now my fiance's, when I was about 18 years old. And we lived there with his dad and sister, and this house was 100% haunted.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  Fun.

• 19:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Until recently. We would frequently hear wooden chairs being dragged downstairs. We'd hear someone walking up and down the stairs, doors being opened and closed, waking up at 3:00 AM and other spooky things that I'll share later. It's very paranormal activity.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  It's very paranormal activity, yeah.

• 19:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Years ago, my partner's dad sadly passed away unexpectedly inside our house. He was such a great person and we miss him dearly. We've taken care of the house since then. And the paranormal events really did seem to calm down a lot after he passed away. I feel like he kicked out any bad spirits from the house after he passed.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah.

• 19:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On two occasions after he passed, I walked into a room and had a strong sense that he was in the room and wanted time alone. So I would leave the room and let him have time in the space. Eventually, my partner and I moved into his bedroom, which definitely felt weird at first, but over time, everything settled. And around this time, I started a YouTube channel. I would make vlogs about my day, about gardening, DIY crafts. Looking back, they were kind of cringy, so I've since made my account private. However, this is how I caught a ghost on camera. I would sometimes film in the bedroom while sitting on the bed. I would sit facing the window so the lighting wouldn't be too bright. And I would close the curtains and leave them open only about an inch to get a small amount of lighting.

• 20:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't even remember what I was talking about, but an hour or two after filming, I started to go back to edit the video. And that's when I saw it. While editing, I noticed my dog, Evie, jumped off the bed and starts staring at the wall.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  Ew.

• 20:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I went back to watch it again, and that is when I saw a huge shadow of a person walking out of the walk-in closet, out of the bedroom door. And if you watch carefully, you can see the legs walking and its arms moving.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  Stop it.

• 20:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Evie notices the shadow, runs over to the wall. I truly had a physical reaction when I saw it. I started shaking and quickly thought there must have been an intruder in the house, but that was impossible. I was home alone while filming. The doors were closed in the bedroom. And obviously, I would have noticed if someone was in the room with me.

• 21:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unfortunately, since this is years ago, I don't have the original uncut video, but I have the small section of the video, which I've sent to so many friends. And believe me, it's 100% real. The shadow does look really tall, but I think it's my partner's dad and that he continues to protect this house to this day.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 21:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so I'll show you the video.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  I love that. It fits your partner's dad.

• 21:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, and it's so clear.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Well, and it's interesting that like she didn't get a bad feeling, like while it happened, like didn't even realize it was happening.

• 21:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also love that. It's like, he's like supporting you vlogging.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's like, go, girl.

• 21:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So there's no sound on the video, but we'll watch it. Oh. Then you see the dog go after it?

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Yup. Oh.

• 21:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that?

• 21:48Speaker 03

  That's crystal clear, brother.

• 21:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You see the full body?

• 21:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that literally just looks like a guy walks by.

• 21:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's wild.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  It's weird too, because there's like an after effect on the shadow. You know what I mean? See, like, it almost looks like two people walking together, like side by side.

• 22:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. But I'm also like, you know, sometimes when you're, when the way light hits a shadow or hits a person, you have like two shadows?

• 22:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's actually a good, I don't know.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  That definitely looks like two shadows to me, because one almost looks like it's slightly ahead of the other. But maybe it's just the way that the light is.

• 22:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  I mean, the way the dog like immediately is like, what the fuck?

• 22:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trust your pets.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  But again, the dog doesn't seem like upset.

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's almost excited. Yeah.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like, ooh, someone's here.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Oh, maybe it was your father-in-law.

• 22:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think so.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 22:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But isn't that like so clear?

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that's crystal clear.

• 22:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  That's really scary.

• 22:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's wild.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  But also like beautiful.

• 22:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am of the mindset that yes, a lot of paranormal experiences can be scary, but I, especially in a situation like this where you think it's the father of your partner, like I would love to catch.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My grandma's ghost.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or my grandfather's ghost.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  That'd be sick.

• 22:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  No, I totally agree with that. But then it also freaks me out because it's like, in every scaring movie, it's like, I'm your grandma. And then it's not your grandma. Even in paranormal activity, it's like, I'm your mother. That part fucked me up with the, with the box.

• 23:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  Hate it.

• 23:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So good, but so bad.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  That's the thing. Yeah.

• 23:15Speaker 00

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• 23:55Speaker 00

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• 24:16Speaker 04

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• 24:47Speaker 03

  Are you ready for mine?

• 24:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  All right. So this is from a listener to Morbid, but we're repurposing it. We haven't read this on Morbid. This is from Melissa. It's a little bit long. It's called, Do You Believe in Ghosts?

• 24:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you believe in magic?

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. So my father died when I was 15 and my mom, when I was 29. Too early for sure. I've always told them to please not haunt me because I would be too scared.

• 25:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So they feel the opposite for me.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, I don't want this.

• 25:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  I let them know that if they felt they needed to connect with me, that they could contact me in my dreams, which my dad did. He introduced me to a gardener in a greenhouse that I would meet years later. But I never called on them or encouraged any of my family and friends who passed to contact me.

• 25:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, they had a dream introduction to someone and they actually met them later?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  That's what it sounds like. Yeah. I love that kind of stuff too.

• 25:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Or like, have you ever, we've done stories before where like, people have met in like, um, like those astral projection worlds and then they meet years later?

• 25:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In real life?

• 25:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's wild.

• 25:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  That feels like soulmate shit.

• 25:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was just gonna say, we've read some that it's like, um, like love stories.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Yes. They make me cry every time.

• 25:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same. And I'm like, where's mine?

• 25:49Speaker 03

  I know. You're like, you just start astral projecting.

• 25:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm a hopeless romantic. Like, give me my, give me my future spouse.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Cut to Sabrina later tonight, just like, come to me. But I never called on them or encouraged any of my friends and family who passed to contact me. I was just too afraid, honestly, that they would keep me up at night or shake my bed or jump out at me in the dark and I would literally shit my literal pants. However, an experience I had last year changed my entire point of view on ghosts forever.

• 26:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  My good buddy, Rosa Leah Triana, went to the hospital in November of 2023. She was 76 and had decided not to pursue any further medical care. I rushed to visit her while she was still talking and came back every day. She was moved to hospice and continued to smile and laugh as droves of people came to visit her. As an actor in New York, she was a stand-in for Sharon Moonstruck.

• 26:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What an amazing human.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Like, what a, that's the best brag ever. I would never stop telling people that.

• 26:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  She loved teaching theater to kids who needed someone to accept them for who they were. And she also did past life regressions. I want to do one of those so bad. Have you done one?

• 26:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brian Weiss has videos on, he's the author of Many Lives, Many Masters.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He has YouTube videos with, where he like does the hypnosis, like talks you through it.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Stop.

• 27:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corinne, I think, has tried it.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, because Corinne talks about her past life a lot, where like her, in the past life, like she was her mom.

• 27:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, so yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  She was the mom and like her mom was her kid.

• 27:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's like, how come you're the mom now?

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy to me.

• 27:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  I want to do one, but I feel like I would want to do it like in person. Like, I don't feel, I don't feel up for the task.

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. It's too much work for yourself. Yeah. And I want it all to be recorded.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I would need someone to sit next, like, I would need Corinne to be next to me.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  Like an anchor.

• 27:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and to like also then regurgitate to me what happened.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 27:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  I get that.

• 27:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  I love that we're like codependent on our podcast partners, because me and Elaine are the same way.

• 27:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm like, I can't do anything without you.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  No, that's exactly how I feel. But then I feel like I can do things with you.

• 27:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  And with the brothers.

• 27:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The brothers. Yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Okay. She also did past life regressions, some with people who became famous or were famous in another life.

• 27:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  This girl was a wick and witchy. We met in film school and immediately gravitated toward each other. She dyed her hair purple and wore purple clothes. Everyone knew her as the purple lady.

• 27:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  As the days passed and she became less responsive, I started reading to her from the Book of Natural Liberation, translated by Robert Thurman, AKA The Tibetan Book of the Dead, or what I like to call Bardo for Dummies.

• 28:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's cool.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  That is really cool. She had read it to a friend when she sat by his deathbed, so I felt like she might like somebody to read it to her.

• 28:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So sweet.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  That's very sweet. Wow. Yeah. The book is full of instructions on how to help the recently dead navigate the in-between and not fall into a super bad rebirth. So, which like, if I die first, read that to me on my deathbed.

• 28:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure. I'm like, I feel like this is like the Beetlejuice handbook too.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, um, yeah. What is that called?

• 28:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, Book of the, is it just the?

• 28:36Speaker 03

  Book of the newly deceased.

• 28:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Recently deceased. Yeah.

• 28:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. I said, desist. Deceased. Uh, so on a very snowy New Mexico night, when I got the call that she had passed, I rushed to her side, ready to help her on her journey. I hopped in my car and spun up my driveway on icy pavement in a mild panic. I forgot all the instructions from the book and called out the first thing that came to me. Go toward the light, as if I was Phoebe in Friends. I immediately course corrected and said, go toward the bright light. That's you. You made the light and you need to recognize that it is you. Calmer, I aimed a thought at Rosa and said in a regular voice, this is ridiculous, right? I heard her answer, what the fuck? Let's do it anyway. When I walked into her hospice room, I dropped my backpack on a chair and walked up to her bed. She looked the same as when I'd left her that afternoon, except of course, she wasn't breathing.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  I bent down and I said in a strong voice, dear, I'm gonna cry. Dear Rosa Leah, you beautiful girl, it's Melissa. I love you. You have just died and this might be confusing to you, but you're safe. You have people to help you.

• 29:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a good friend.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  This is like, everybody needs this friend. The brothers will do this.

• 29:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure. As we were just talking about, like, sitting next to each other for past life readings, like, we'll do this, deathbeds too.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  100%. Look at the tears in your eyes. I feel the same. You have people here to help you where you are and I'll help you too. We'll say some prayers together. Don't be afraid. I watched her chest and I thought I saw her heart beating. I looked around behind me at the hospice nurse and asked, she is dead, right? They confirmed she was. I put my hand on her forehead and it was still warm. The nurse left us alone and I read out loud the passages from Natural Liberation for one who has just died. Parts of those prayers are so amazingly direct and beautiful. Hey noble one, now you have arrived at what is called death. You are going from this world to the beyond. You are not alone. It happens to everyone. At this time, when your body and mind are parting ways, pure reality manifests in subtle dazzling visions,

• 30:28Speaker 03

  vividly experienced, naturally frightening and worrisome shimmering like a mirage on the plains in autumn. Do not fear them. Do not be terrified. Do not panic. They cannot hurt you. You cannot die. That is like

• 30:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  one of the most beautiful things I've ever read.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. When I finished reading all the prayers, I told her I loved her, tears flowing now. I named all the people I could remember in that moment, who had been her family and her friends in this life. And I told her they loved her and that I expected to see her in the next life, or I would be pissed. I moved closer to her, bent down again, kissed my fingers and touched her forehead. This time, her skin was cool. As I turned to go, I felt her presence behind me, floating like a balloon on a string. I felt the string in my fingers. I turned back, but she still lay in bed. Rosa, I said, you can follow me around the hospice, but once they take your body away, I'm going to let you go. You need to find your way on your own. I'll say prayers for you every day, but you cannot linger here. When the transport came, they covered her body in a beautiful native blanket. As they passed through the hallway,

• 31:26Speaker 03

  I followed the stretcher out into the cold moonlit night. Twenty-three days later, on Christmas Eve, my sister and I went to the Faralito Walk in Santa Fe, our annual tradition. The old neighborhood decorates paths, garden walls and rooftops with candles and paper bags, weighted down by sand to reenact the journey Mary and Joseph made in Bethlehem. Canyon Road Galleries offer cider, Biscochitos, which are yummy bakery cookies

• 31:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  and bonfires. People sing carols and walk up the street and sometimes get a glimpse of Santa.

• 31:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That sounds so magical.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  I love how magical this, this listener's life is.

• 32:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Truly. And the way that they write is like very beautiful.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  I'm like, do you want to be best friends?

• 32:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I feel like you wrote a book that I could like step inside of.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  100%. I also want to get that book that they mentioned.

• 32:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Yes. Like moving into the deceased life.

• 32:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Uh, we took the less touristy road, Delgado, and turned down Plaza Fatima, where in years past, the courtyard was home to a model train decked out for Christmas, riding the tracks under the pinyon trees.

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  This night, there was no train, but there was a bonfire in the middle of the courtyard. My sister started taking photos of the scene with her phone, and we scrolled through a few, looking at them curiously. I walked to the fire to warm my hands, and she started taking pics again. I think there's something wrong with my camera, she said. I moved to the other side of the fire, away from the smoke, and she raised her phone to take one final shot. She said, I'm getting some interesting images here. So I bent my right knee and held out my left hand, tilted my head back and laughed like a silly pose on a theater stage. On our way home, we stopped at a hotel for two Irish coffees to warm up.

• 32:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. I need to look at those photos again, she said, and took off her gloves. Oh my, she said in a very solemn way, and she handed me her phone. Just swipe through these, she directed. It was easy for me to see what she saw. An orb of light, sometimes with a face, sometimes with hands, shown in the first photo on the left side. And the next photos, it moved from standing next to the tree up into the branches, settled on the bush behind the fire, and came even closer as if to kiss me on my cheek in my last pose. And the orb was purple. Neither of us could speak. It was undeniable that it was Rosalia coming to say goodbye. I'll cry. As I looked closer, I could see the background was always the same, even through the ghost. I thought it might be the smoke from the bonfire, but the smoke was clearly not part of the orbs

• 33:44Speaker 03

  and can be seen moving back and forth in each photo on either side of the fire as the wind moved it. There are no other people in the photos, no streetlight shining, no cars with their lights on. As a professional designer, I photoshopped a hell of a lot of photos, but no one had time to do that with these. These were raw and unlike any orb photos I'd ever seen. And I'll, we'll show you the pictures.

• 34:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  It's purple, was all I could say. And that was when I started to believe. Maybe not in ghosts per se, but in an energetic appearance that although can't be seen by others, can be seen in a series of photos.

• 34:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  Since then, I've invited ghosts, specters, phantoms, fairies, pixies, spirits, shades, lumiars, my ancestors, and even people I don't know yet, into a circle on a regular basis. I love that you just became like open to it.

• 34:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This email starts with like, I didn't want any of it, close the door and yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. I still tell them very clearly that they don't get to jump out at me in the dark or torture guys my books across the room.

• 34:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Only my cat gets to do that. But I listen to them. I ask for their guidance and acknowledge that there are some things we don't understand, yet don't have to ignore.

• 34:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is beautiful.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  These pictures are crazy. Hold on.

• 34:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, for everyone listening, these will all be included in the YouTube video. So.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Perfect. Ready? So look, there is the first. And it's like straight up purple. And it almost looks like there's like, like I kind of see like a face right here. And then it moves a little bit. And again, this almost looks like a bobby.

• 35:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does. Oh my gosh.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  There's so many. Then it moves up into the tree. And it, like, that looks like energy to me.

• 35:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it is purple.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then it kind of like dissipates here.

• 35:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is beautiful.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  And it moves over above the sign and then like right over her. And then literally right on top of. Her cheek. And look at, you can literally see. Isn't that crazy? That's zoomed in.

• 35:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My gosh.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Or like maybe even giving a hug. And that's Rosalia. She's beautiful.

• 35:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Beautiful.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Oh, and your cat.

• 35:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the little kitty cat.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  Oh, oh. So we'll, we'll share these.

• 35:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Wait, that is amazing.

• 35:50Speaker 03

  That's also undeniable to me, to, for it to move in so many different areas.

• 35:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And also for it to, this is like what I love too, because like the purple hair was such a big part of Rosalia. Like, it's just the fact that that's how she's showing up in the astral, afterlife, whatever it is.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause she like dyed her hair purple and always wore purple clothes. Like she was the purple lady.

• 36:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  That's like her essence. So that hit her on like a soul level, I think.

• 36:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that so beautiful?

• 36:19Speaker 03

  That's one of my favorite listener stories we've ever read.

• 36:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's beautiful.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  Right?

• 36:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. We both were also talking about in the beginning of this episode about how scary paranormal things can be.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  I know.

• 36:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And how you like, don't want to open yourself up to it, but like you can have things like this happen.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  I know, it's true. It's like you have to be in the right headspace, I think.

• 36:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  You know?

• 36:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  You just have to be open to it. Right now, I'm too busy.

• 36:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  I have too much going on.

• 36:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have no, no time for the ghosts. Yeah. I have too much time, but I don't need the ghosts.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, you, you have a lot going on.

• 36:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  You have free time, but a lot going on.

• 36:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I would, I would invite Leia, like ghost kitty cat.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 36:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually do, like I often, every time I walk into my house, I'm like Leia, you're like, you're still, this is still your home?

• 36:55Speaker 03

  I think her spirit is absolutely still there.

• 36:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't had anything happen yet.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  You don't hear like her little phantom yells.

• 36:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  I loved Leia.

• 37:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I still do.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  No, me too.

• 37:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Do you have her?

• 37:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, I do not.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 37:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have, um, like a little like cast paw print.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Oh, cool.

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I have an ink nose print.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  Oh my god, a little.

• 37:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then when I find little like tufts of hair, I've been putting it into a jar.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  I keep my cat's whiskers, so.

• 37:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, I wish, I, I feel like I'll find a whisker.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  You will.

• 37:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'll keep it.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Or even like a little nail clipping.

• 37:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Like the, you know how they like shed them?

• 37:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  You'll find something.

• 37:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But I have a jar of hair, which, and she had plenty of it, so.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Wait, I have these little cat keychains. I'll, I'll look and see if I have one like her, but they're literally to put hair in.

• 37:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No way.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  I'm a crazy cat lady.

• 37:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, you know.

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Same.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wow, that's cute.

• 37:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay. I have one that we've read on the podcast like two or three times.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I just needed to get your reaction to it because it is, and I talk about this all the time. Anytime we encounter someone who's like, I don't believe, or like, oh, you have a ghost podcast, like tell me a ghost story.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  That makes me so mad when people say they don't believe. I'm like, there's too much evidence.

• 38:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's also so many people who like say they don't believe, and then they'll tell me a story that's like very clearly they've been haunted.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Or they'll say they don't believe, but that they're afraid of it. And I'm like, how are you afraid of something that you don't believe in?

• 38:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  That doesn't make sense to me.

• 38:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like you really believe and you're scared of it.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 38:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what you mean to say, but you're, yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do think some of the skeptics are actually the biggest believers and they're just scared.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  And they're just scared. Yeah.

• 38:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But so this is the story that I whip out.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's, it's on my phone. It's ready to go.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  It's got it.

• 38:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Content warning, it does involve a child's death.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi ladies. Warning, I'm attaching a picture and it might scare you for months or break your heart. My coworker and I are, like, we read this in 2018 for the first time. It is now 2026.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It has stuck with us.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  That's a big deal.

• 38:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. My coworker and I are writing this together. Her fiance's family went fishing at Smith Point County Park in Long Island, New York. One of the men caught a big shark, so they took a picture. This was taken around midnight. And at some point, someone noticed that there was a little girl in the picture, but there were no children on the beach with them.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This little girl is looking at the men like, why are you here? What are you doing? She sadly also looks burnt and dirty. They did some research and realized that Smith Point Beach was the site of TWA Flight 800 explosion that happened in 1996.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Oh shit.

• 39:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They took the picture to a medium, and before they even sat down, the medium said, I don't want to talk about the picture you're going to show me.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Oh my god. I would want to sit with that lady for hours after that.

• 39:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  I'd be like, you're the real deal.

• 39:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're the real deal.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tell me everything.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 39:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Supposedly, this beach is so haunted, mediums will not go near it.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 39:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The ghosts that inhabit the beach do not know they are no longer living. And my coworker and I did some research of our work. We believe we found who the little girl is.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 39:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We believe she was the youngest victim in the explosion. I'm not going to say her name out of respect. Um, but I've attached her picture for you as well, which I won't share that, but I'll share the picture of that they caught.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, the paranormal picture.

• 40:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is from Nikki and Brittany.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  I'm so scared.

• 40:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is the photo of them holding the shark.

• 40:05Speaker 03

  That's not even an apparition.

• 40:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like full on.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 40:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she's looking directly at them.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  She's also like dressed like she's like traveling. Like you can see her little sneakers.

• 40:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and then.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Oh my god. Oh.

• 40:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, is that not her?

• 40:23Speaker 03

  That's absolute, oh, that's heartbreaking because I don't want her to be stuck there.

• 40:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so sad. I mean, it's devastating and like that tragic crash. I mean, like any plane crash or like tragic death like that is horrible. But I hope, because she was with her family.

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I hope that she's still with them and they're all there. Like that gives me some type of peace.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  That's like a paranormal episode of Lost where you're just like stuck where you crashed. That's awful.

• 40:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's awful.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  You want them to, you want somebody to read that book to them and get them to like go to the light.

• 40:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's go to the beach and read the book to them.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, honestly.

• 40:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh. See, this is why I wish I had more time because I would do that.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  I know.

• 41:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like I.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  You're such an empath. I love that.

• 41:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, oh, let me bring this book that I don't even own yet. I just learned about.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  And travel to the most haunted beach that even mediums won't go to, so I can help people.

• 41:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, just sit there for hours reading it to them.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  I mean, fair enough. That is

• 41:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  one of the craziest photos I've actually ever seen. Cause that's not, again, an apparition. That's a, that's a full child.

• 41:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  And she does look like a little bit burned, like, oh, that's horrific.

• 41:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's really scary.

• 41:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 00

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• 42:15Speaker 00

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• 42:32Speaker 04

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• 43:02Speaker 03

  All right, so this one is from our listener Katie, and they said, I've thought about submitting this before, but decided that now is the perfect time, because this story and the photo that resulted from it are about to turn 10 years old.

• 43:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  So then they sent a little putty for us, a PDF.

• 43:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A putty for?

• 43:17Speaker 03

  I've been fascinated by the paranormal for as long as I can remember, probably because my Grammy told me ghost stories when I was a kid. My favorite, everybody needs a spooky grandma. I can't wait to be a spooky grandma.

• 43:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was just gonna say, I don't know that I had a spooky grandma, but I, I'm the spooky person in my family.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, you are. My grandma's not spooky, but she's very woo, and like always has been.

• 43:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  And she's like, you know, give it to the wind, talk to the spirits.

• 43:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, that's delightful.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  We would go on like bear hunts, like not real ones, but we'd like walk through the woods and like, look at for fairies and stuff.

• 43:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so special.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's the best.

• 43:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  I think that's why I'm so woo.

• 43:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and also the ghosts that you saw.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Uh, my favorite was about the time her father saw a ghost in his house, because he had been a diehard skeptic before his experience, and used to scoff at others who claimed to believe in the paranormal. He was tough as nails, no nonsense Navy veteran, who survived every major battle

• 44:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  in the Pacific World War II. That's crazy. And several heart attacks, because he liked to fry his pancakes in bacon grease.

• 44:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 44:20Speaker 03

  That's like a southern thing.

• 44:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it?

• 44:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've been watching True Blood, and they do that on True Blood, and it's supposed to be like really delish.

• 44:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  I, it's not for me.

• 44:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not for me either. I don't eat bacon, so.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, you're vegetarian, so that's your worst nightmare. I thought, uh, if that guy believes in ghosts, then they must be real, and I long to have an encounter of my own. There was something about the notion that there's more to the world than we can see that comforted me and enchanted me. I finally got my encounter when I was 17. It was a Sunday, and my parents had lucked out that weekend. My younger brother and I had both gone to sleepovers at other people's houses. My mom picked me up first, since I was farther away, and we stopped to get my brother on the way home. He was a quarter mile up the street from our house, but it was a cold, wet February day, so she wasn't gonna make him walk. Some context on the house he slept over at. It was built before the American Revolution, and has one of those historical society plaques, certifying that it is old as fuck next to the door.

• 45:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love that.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  I know, I would love to have one of those.

• 45:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You had one of those?

• 45:15Speaker 03

  I know.

• 45:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That breaks my heart.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  I know, that house was amazing. I never got to actually visit, I just saw pictures.

• 45:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's also so sad.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Uh, but the cheetah staircase.

• 45:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  My uncle has one of those, actually.

• 45:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really?

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  I think it was like a thing.

• 45:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's, it, I loved it.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  I want a cheetah staircase.

• 45:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can, you can make that, do this staircase.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Maybe I will. My main staircase, cheetah.

• 45:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it. Yeah, that's also very you.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  I love cheetah.

• 45:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  I love animal print.

• 45:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's on brand.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Um, it's so old, this, this house, that allegedly, the earliest residents of the house were actually buried in the backyard.

• 45:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Some context on my mom.

• 45:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to bring that back.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  Burying people in the backyard.

• 45:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't own a house yet, but like, or anymore, but when I do, I want to be buried in my backyard.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  In some states you can't, so you should do research. Some states, it's a big no-no.

• 46:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I want like an Addams Family graveyard in my backyard.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  I would love that.

• 46:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right?

• 46:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  I don't think that I can do that here.

• 46:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People also don't keep houses long enough, or they don't get passed down through families anymore.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not like, yeah, it's not the way it used to be.

• 46:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I think it'd be weird if I was buried in the backyard and then it got sold to a different family.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  Like, hey. That's kind of like a great origin story as a ghost, though. Like, fuck, who are you? Uh, some context on my mom. My brother and I knew that when she came to pick us up from a friend's house, we had at least another hour to hang out, because she'd chat with our friend's mom. That was the best.

• 46:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  That day, I decided to stick around for the mom chat, because everybody else who was in the house at the time was under the age of 12, and all but one were boys. This detail becomes important later. We'll call my brother's friend's mom Stephanie. I don't remember how we got on the topic, but she did tell us her house was haunted. When we responded with belief and interest, she started telling us stories. Just remember being like 12 years old and hanging out with like your mom and her friends, being like, yeah, I'm one of the girls.

• 46:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I never got invited.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 46:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I grew up in a very, like, go be in your room, mama's busy household.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. See, my mom was a single mom, and I think she just like, she wasn't like a great mom. So she was just like, yeah, listen to all the girl talk. And I was like, okay, girl, this is what you're gonna do.

• 47:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now you yap. Like, we're learning your origin story, it all makes sense.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  I am a yapper. Yeah. I was very, um, what's that word? For like kids who are like beyond their years, but like kind of annoying. I can't think of it. Start with a P.

• 47:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. She's a very, I can't think of it. I'll think of it later.

• 47:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or Jamie will like add it if she like knows what we're talking about.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  Uh, before moving into the house, Stephanie and her husband lived in an apartment building with their three older children, one of whom was about three years old at the time. They explained to her that since they were moving into a house, not another apartment, it would be just the five of them there. They hadn't been in the house long, when their daughter said, I thought you said this house was just for us. Confused, they asked her what she meant, and she responded, you know, the people who come out of the fireplace.

• 48:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What? See, that's a version of a creepy kid I'd be down with, you know?

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're not like screaming in the middle of the night.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Elena's had experiences like that with the girls. Honestly, much more terrifying, but like, who are those people? And she's like, fuck, like, I gotta deal with this.

• 48:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course Elena has creepy kids.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  I mean, duh, it was just a given. The youngest is the creepiest, but we love that girl. Uh, they asked her to elaborate on that butthole tightening statement, and she said that three people often walked out of the fireplace. An older couple and a young man with no shoes, as you two would say.

• 48:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Out of the fireplace.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Out of the fireplace, yeah. As you two would say, meaning me and Elena, time to yeet the whole child and burn the house down. In spite of that deeply fucked up welcome to the neighborhood, they settled into the house and had more children, including my brother's friend. Stephanie spent close to two hours telling us about their experience in that house, some darker than others. I'll include some summaries.

• 48:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  One, there's the ghost of an old groundskeeper who goes around at night rattling windows to make sure everything's locked up.

• 48:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, now I want to know, like, I want to see this house, because clearly it has such a rich history.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, clearly. And I'm like, tell me everything.

• 49:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Let's investigate this. Can we come over?

• 49:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, right. We're gonna stop at the beach, read the book, and then we'll come to your house.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  We're just coming up with a full-blown itinerary through this episode.

• 49:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hopping in a van.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Number two, one day Stephanie was running errands around the time school let out, but her son had a key and would be able to let himself in. When she got home, she found him sitting on the porch in tears. He wasn't locked out, but he didn't want to be inside, because he said he had seen a boy who looked dead, float across the kitchen, and threw the door into the garage. I would shit my pants. That's what I mean when I say I don't have time for this right now.

• 49:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 49:39Speaker 03

  I don't have time to process.

• 49:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I genuinely don't.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  Not right now. Maybe in the future, but I don't need to see a dead boy floating through the, the house into my garage.

• 49:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would be like, what the fuck did I just see?

• 49:49Speaker 03

  I actually made Drew come down to the garage to get me after paranormal activity, because I was so scared. Like, this would be too much for me.

• 49:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's hilarious.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  Uh, number three, speaking of the garage, one day, a headstone, too weathered to read, just appeared in their basement.

• 50:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 50:06Speaker 03

  It has a dirt floor, which is supposed to let in all kinds of energy. A psychic friend told them that the spirit of a man had put it there.

• 50:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It just appeared?

• 50:13Speaker 03

  It just appeared. A headstone that they couldn't read, that's giving cursed energy.

• 50:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's crazy.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  Stephanie's husband moved it to their garage, where I saw it with my own shook-as-fuck eyes that very day.

• 50:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I'm like, why'd you move it to the garage? Okay, I was just in Kenny Bunkport, Maine, and I went on a ghost tour. And at the public library, there's a like full-ass head, like tombstone, just like built into the brick wall.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  What?

• 50:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the story is, they found this headstone in a farm, like on farmland, like many years ago.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess the guy, there was no like body or anything beneath it. It was just like a engraved headstone. And I think the guy who was for, used to like teach students and all, he was like a very like smart, generous guy.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So they just were like, what better place to honor him than on the public library? And I was like, that is so sick.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  That kind of is sick. I feel like I'd be very, like, I'd feel so complimented.

• 51:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, like, so for the situation, I'd be like, okay, let's build, like, build it into the wall.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you don't know anything about this person, so like.

• 51:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there's nothing on there.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  It's too weathered to read, so that's like really fucked up. Yeah, I don't know what, what would you do with it? If, like, a weathered headstone just appeared in your home? You'd be so lit.

• 51:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would be like so, I would pull out Ghost Tube.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 51:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Be like, what's up? What's your story?

• 51:35Speaker 03

  Tell me everything.

• 51:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Would take it as a sign that they want to be recognized or they have a message. So I would honor it.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree with that. I don't know what I would do. I would honor it for sure, but maybe like not at my house. I'd get a storage facility.

• 51:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For all your haunted objects.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  Yes, perfect. Okay, number four, this one sucks. A man in a brown suit likes to stand around corners and behind doors to scare people.

• 51:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Trigger warning for rape and incest here. He may have, according to a psychic, fathered a child with his own daughter. The spirit of this child, a little girl, wanted to play with Stephanie's youngest daughter, who asked Stephanie if she had to keep playing with the girl because she was so scared of her.

• 52:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is so sad. I hate this man.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's get, like, let's bring him back to life and kill him over again.

• 52:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  And the little girl, she just wants to play. She's like scary.

• 52:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's how my little brother was, where he was like, tell the little boy I don't want to play.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm just scared. I'm sleeping.

• 52:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Does he remember that?

• 52:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  No, he was so little.

• 52:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Does he have any experiences that he remembers from your house, your spooky house?

• 52:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, no, he used to have a reoccurring nightmare of that one closet, but no, I'm the creepy one of my family.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  I love that. And you're the middle child, right?

• 52:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The middle child.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's perfect.

• 52:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think I was that creepy growing up, but I, I've embraced the creep.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. All right, number- Someone has to do it.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, it's gotta be someone.

• 52:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Number five, Stephanie once tried to email a crew of paranormal investigators, but her computer shut down unexpectedly while trying to type it. She restarted, found the website again, started re-typing her email, and the computer shut down again, and the entire desk was violently shoved against the wall. She never tried to contact anyone else.

• 53:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe we should not go.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe not.

• 53:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're like, leave us be.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  They're not interested in an investigation.

• 53:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They didn't like that group of investigators.

• 53:19Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 53:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I believe the paranormal world, like, there's like gossip about different investigators.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely.

• 53:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, if they hear Zach Bagans is coming, they're like, shit.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Get out of here.

• 53:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 03

  Honestly, as a ghost, I'd be like, fuck that.

• 53:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Get him out of here.

• 53:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't want to be here.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  Cause he like tries to piss ghosts off to like get something.

• 53:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also feel like whatever dark energy happens in the episodes isn't because of the ghosts at the place.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  I have a lot of comments that I'm gonna keep to myself.

• 53:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All we have to say is he fumbled Holly Madison.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  I was literally just gonna say, justice for my friend Holly, my close, personal friend Holly, okay?

• 53:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  BFF Holly, yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  All right, number six, once an electrician came to work on the wiring in the basement, within minutes, he came flying up the stairs, packed his stuff, and left. Like, no words, no nothing. He refused to come back and wouldn't say what happened to him down there. 10 out of 10, no notes. This would be a fantastic scene in a horror movie. By this point in the conversation, I felt like somebody was watching me. The kids were all upstairs in the kitchen. It was just me, my mom to my right, and Stephanie in front of us. But it did feel like there was a fourth person standing directly behind me, looking over my shoulder.

• 54:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oof.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  I told myself I was just psyched out because I was hearing this all for the first time, but still, I couldn't shake the feeling. Finally, the moms decided it was time to round up the kids, so they went back upstairs to break up the party while I stayed alone in the kitchen. I decided to take some, some pictures with my iPhone. I wasn't sure if anything would show up, but it was my first hashtag confirm taunted location.

• 54:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and you just got so many great stories. You're like, yeah, absolutely.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  I mean, Ghost Tube probably wasn't a thing back then, but I would have pulled that shit up.

• 54:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  So I thought, might as well try. The kitchen was fairly large, and as the center of the downstairs, it had doorways to multiple other rooms, including the garage. So I just turned in a circle, snapping pictures every few feet. By the time I was done, my mom had collected my brother, and the three of us got back in our car. Safely on the road, I mentioned my feeling of being watched to my mom. Once we got home, we started examining the pictures. I can't remember exactly how many I took, but only one of them contained something. It was a picture of the door next to the garage. The door had a window with nine panes of glass, rectangles arranged three across by three high. So I zoomed in on each pane to see if anything besides typical garage clutter was visible. When I zoomed in on the middle pane on the far right, my mom gasped, and I felt my bowels drop out of my butt and hit the floor at my feet.

• 55:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cleanse your colon.

• 55:38Speaker 03

  Cleanse that colon, baby, just with the paranormal. To the very far right of the pane, right where the glass meets the wood of the door, you can see my reflection, my eyes, my nose, my dark hair, even my hand holding the phone. But just to the left, directly behind me, is a floating head. No body, no features on the face, but you can clearly see light hair tucked behind an ear.

• 55:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  I was right. There had been somebody behind me. Now, for the skeptics, my fiance. Even though I know with every fiber of my being that I was alone in that kitchen, let me describe the six other people in the house at the time. My mom's hair is as dark as mine, and she's five inches taller than me. The figure looked to be a couple inches shorter than me.

• 56:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, if it has no body, how do you, like, let's, let's just start there.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably not anybody in the house, because I do assume they all have bodies.

• 56:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think so, too.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Stephanie, well about that height, has even lighter hair that was covered by the hood of a fluffy blue bathrobe the entire time we were there. That's just mom shit. I love that.

• 56:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  Remember how I said earlier, the only other people in that house were children under 12 and mostly boys?

• 56:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  All the boys had very short hair, much too short to be able to tuck behind the ear. That leaves Stephanie's youngest daughter, whose hair was just as light as her mom's. And at about eight years old, she was nowhere near tall enough to be the figure in the picture.

• 56:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Years old, has a body.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  It has a body, yes, most importantly.

• 56:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really gonna harp on that.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  We have to. Plus, if you can see my eyes and nose, why can't you see any features on that face? My mom and I were shocked because she realized all of that as quickly as I did. We knew there was no possible way it was anything other than the presence that I had mentioned feeling. We immediately sent the picture to Stephanie, who replied that she saw even more faces than the one behind me. Then we called my dad into the room. He said, that's not right, and walked out. I was spooked the fuck out. I was afraid that some ghost juju had attached itself to me or my phone and followed me home. I slept with my light on for the next couple of months. This is literally me. I'd be like, fuck. I had gotten the ghostly encounter I'd wanted for years, and now I was being a complete chicken shit of a minute. One thing began to make sense, though.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Two years earlier, both of Stephanie's cats had kittens, and we adopted one and named her Cricket. I've had five different cats in my life and spent time around many more, and I can say with confidence that Cricket was the weirdest kitten ever. She would freak out at nothing.

• 57:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a cute name.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  Like, Cricket is a great name for a cat. I actually know, I've heard of a little girl named Cricket, and I think that's like really cute.

• 57:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Too, I love that.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  She would freak out at nothing and spend a lot of time staring at the walls, probably because she was used to seeing people walk through them at her first house. And when she got the zoomie, she would parkour herself up a wall and run horizontally for a gravity-defying amount of time. She might have had some leftover ghosts in her for a while. Anyway, I finally stopped sleeping with my light on by Easter when we were invited back to the haunted house for brunch.

• 58:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Perfect timing.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, great.

• 58:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  I made donut muffins for the occasion, was stoked about them, because donut muffins-

• 58:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That also sounds so good.

• 58:27Speaker 03

  Had donut muffins.

• 58:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Never had a donut muffin.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  I'd like to know more about that.

• 58:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Me, too. I'd like to taste it.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah.

• 58:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To understand it.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, tell me everything and feed me all of them. But I was also nervous to be going back to that house. Would my spectral lurker remember me? Thankfully, the party was outside, but at some point, in an act of unintended psychological sabotage, somebody took my muffins inside. When it was time to eat, my mom asked me to go into the kitchen to retrieve them. I dutifully, fearfully went into that empty house and held my breath as I crept through the kitchen, like I was trying to avoid being spotted by a T-Rex rather than ghosts. I had just grabbed the container that held my precious muffins when I heard footsteps in one of the rooms upstairs. I have never moved so fast in my life and probably never will again. I don't even remember getting back across the kitchen. I think I genuinely blacked out for a second from my sheer terror.

• 59:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I really thought this was gonna go in the direction of like, her donut muffins were gone because the spirits wanted them.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  What if the spirits ate her donut muffins?

• 59:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If I were a ghost, I would for sure eat her donut muffins.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  I would, absolutely.

• 59:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would like to eat them as a human, too, but you know.

• 59:26Speaker 03

  But if we have to wait until our next life and afterlife, I guess we will.

• 59:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll do it.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  My next memory is standing next to my mom in the yard, paler than my usual shade of frail Victorian child, whose delicate constitution does not permit them outdoors, and shaking. "What is wrong with you?" she asked me. My eyes, the size of dinner plates, I said that I had heard somebody walking around the upper floor of the empty house. My mom started laughing. I was stunned. She knew about the house? What the hell was she laughing about? Did she find it funny that I almost had been a snack for a ghoul? She, then she said, Stephanie's oldest daughter is home for the week. She's upstairs taking a shower. I said, oh, and handed the muffins over so I could sit down and hyperventilate with my head between my knees. This was one of the last times I was at that house since I started college the next year, and I've never had any other encounters there, ghostly or otherwise.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  Thus concludes my tale of my first and creepiest paranormal experience. Keep it weird, fellow assholes, but not so weird that you can't handle getting what you wished for and think you're about to be dragged to hell over some muffins in the birthplace of your formerly possessed cat.

• 1:00:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, you survived.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  You survived.

• 1:00:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You survived.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  And that was it.

• 1:00:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And have a ghost photo to share.

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  All right, where's the creepy head? Let me show you. So that's her. And then there's this like, it does look like an ear right there. The other lady said she saw more faces. I tried to find more faces and I couldn't, but I do see what she's talking about, like, right there.

• 1:00:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  It's freaky.

• 1:00:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, what about, what's this whole thing?

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  I think that's her. Uh, oh!

• 1:00:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was like, that's for sure like a full-on face.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  Wait, no, that's what she's talking about. How did I completely miss the actual face?

• 1:00:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Circle.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  The other thing is circle, but yeah, so that's another thing.

• 1:01:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a girl with like a, like, you could see the ponytail.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally the elastic.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Is that the ponytail?

• 1:01:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Doesn't it look like a half up, half down hairdo?

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  Why is it so far away from her head?

• 1:01:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, she has a big, I don't know. Or wait, is this multiple spirits? I'm confused now.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  I feel like this is something else because that looks like her hair is down. Yeah, and like, kind of like, low key, like a bushy eyebrow.

• 1:01:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so maybe that's what Stephanie meant.

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  Maybe, yeah. It doesn't have a body.

• 1:01:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  But it very, like, that's such a clear ear.

• 1:01:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The ear, yeah, and you know it's not hers.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  But then, yeah, because she's here and she has dark hair.

• 1:01:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  I love that I completely missed. Yeah, I'm looking at the circle thing like, yeah, I see it.

• 1:01:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I see it right there.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  But I do see like a face right there with an ear here.

• 1:01:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  I was looking for the hair, but there's the hair.

• 1:01:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The hair.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, that would fuck me up.

• 1:01:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's also like, kind of like peering out behind her body.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  It's like, meh.

• 1:01:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can see you.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  It reminds me of Peekaboo. Peekaboo, Chibi.

• 1:01:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Peekaboo.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  I read Peekaboo and something recently and I was like, I can't hear that phrase again.

• 1:02:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, creepy. Wait, that is wild.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the ear and the hair.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  There's something behind you, man. I'd shit my pants.

• 1:02:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  That's crystal clear.

• 1:02:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's a house that if you want to have a paranormal experience, you go there.

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:02:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you hope you don't encounter the man in the brown suit.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, the weirdo creepy ravenous who is yucky.

• 1:02:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Goodbye. Damn.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Well, I'm gonna stick the lights on tonight.

• 1:02:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thanks for sharing those.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Thank you for yours.

• 1:02:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  And thanks for inviting me to do this.

• 1:02:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thanks for being here.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  I can't believe it wasn't my first time on the pod. I really thought this was an inaugural. It was my inaugural solo visit to the pod and without Corinne.

• 1:02:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and without Elena.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Without our brothers.

• 1:02:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Without our brothers.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  You know, just two brothers of four.

• 1:02:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and as two people who are codependent on our other brothers.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  I know, but we, I feel like we could be codependent on each other, too.

• 1:02:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I've got you.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Like our witch class, we were hella codependent.

• 1:02:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  We had to be.

• 1:02:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We had a good time.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  We did.

• 1:02:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Elena's not here, but she does have a book coming out that I wanted to tell everyone to go pick up.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  When does this come out?

• 1:03:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  August 23rd.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Oh, so honey, the book's out, get it.

• 1:03:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honey's.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  You gotta get it.

• 1:03:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Butcher Legacy.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Butcher Legacy.

• 1:03:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The third in the series, is it the final?

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  I don't know if I'm allowed to answer that question.

• 1:03:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, oh my gosh, okay, well, pick it up and read it.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Butcher Legacy, The Butcher Legacy, I feel like I said that weird.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  No, you said it both times, yeah.

• 1:03:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Butcher Legacy, here's a third time, really just putting it in your head, go pick it up.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Obviously, everyone knows Ash from Morbid. Go listen to Morbid if you don't already.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, please listen. The episode's Mondays and Thursdays.

• 1:03:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Everywhere you listen to podcasts.

• 1:03:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What else? I don't know, maybe one day soon we'll go on another paranormal investigation.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  We need to. I want to really bad.

• 1:03:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were gonna do one back in May.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  I know, where were we going?

• 1:03:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Henhurst Asylum.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe we can figure that out again. I'm actually gonna be, that's in Pennsylvania, right? I'm gonna be in Pennsylvania next week, but I'm booked and busy.

• 1:03:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you're like, last minute investigations are not for us. We, we need a plan.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  We'll figure this out off the top.

• 1:04:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll make it happen.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, period.

• 1:04:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right, um, you want to do the sign off with me?

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so we say, thanks everyone for joining. Also, shout out to our editor, Jamie Ryan, who's fantastic and edited and produced this episode. And shout out to Aiden.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Shout out to Aiden.

• 1:04:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who's on the Morbid team, but is also here making sure our audio and video are good.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Is supreme.

• 1:04:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we will see you on the other side. See, I usually whisper it, so it feels so weird.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is weird, it's fun to whisper. I was you and you were Corinne.

• 1:04:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Swapping places.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  Thanks, everyone.

• 1:04:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bye.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

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