Encounters x345 - Urban Legends | Hometown Horror Stories

Some places have ghost stories. Others have legends that locals know better than to ignore. This week we're reading hometown horror stories featuring haunted bridges, cursed landmarks, cryptids, and eerie encounters that prove the creepiest paranormal activity might be waiting just down the road. Stories include: A nightmare at a remote campground leaves one listener wondering if a terrifying goat-headed figure was trying to make them sign something they never should have. A trip in the mountains of British Columbia takes a terrifying turn after multiple witnesses spot a pale creature silently gliding through the woods. A late night drive through the countryside becomes a race against a towering creature that keeps pace with a speeding car. A paranormal research team shares unsettling encounters from land bordering one of the world's most infamous supernatural hotspots, including impossible voices, a disappearing deer man, and more. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Three, two, one.

• 1:54Corinne Vien?

  That was one of our best snaps ever.

• 1:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. It was, it was in sync perfectly.

• 1:58Corinne Vien?

  And it was loud.

• 2:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did good. We snap every time we start our episodes. We do it.

• 2:03Corinne Vien?

  But we're not great snappers.

• 2:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One. See, that wasn't as good.

• 2:07Corinne Vien?

  That was good.

• 2:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi.

• 2:09Corinne Vien?

  Jamie, keep that one good snap in. We've never done a snap like that.

• 2:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How proud of us are you, Jamie?

• 2:15Corinne Vien?

  This is two girls, one ghost.

• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. And today, we are your great snapping ghostesses, Corinne and Sabrina. And we have a really spooky, but fun theme today?

• 2:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Urban legends.

• 2:32Corinne Vien?

  But like, I chose, the way I did it was like people's local urban legends, the ones that they're writing in about, having experienced, where they live.

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think I picked one story like that.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  Well, we'll see where the episode takes us.

• 2:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I did something you're not gonna be happy about.

• 2:48Corinne Vien?

  Classic.

• 2:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you sickos on the internet, love.

• 2:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll say it once today, and not more.

• 2:57Corinne Vien?

  Has it been 24 hours?

• 2:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's been 24 hours. I'll read it, I'll read it later.

• 3:01Corinne Vien?

  Saying that. You keep picking stories where you have to say it.

• 3:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Saying it once. Not yet.

• 3:07Corinne Vien?

  Okay, start off with the one that you don't say it yet.

• 3:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. The first one I'm gonna say that we're devil. Is that okay? Is that allowed?

• 3:13Corinne Vien?

  Sure.

• 3:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Daddy demon?

• 3:16Corinne Vien?

  Okay, wow. From devil to daddy demon.

• 3:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. Listen, my dad's done some shady shit.

• 3:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, he might know the devil.

• 3:25Corinne Vien?

  I'm like, I'm literally gripping.

• 3:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're clutching your skeleton.

• 3:28Corinne Vien?

  I'm scared.

• 3:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're clutching your bones.

• 3:31Corinne Vien?

  Protect me.

• 3:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, this is from our listener, Risa, Risa, Risa. They gave us a pronunciation. And it's called, "The Devil Wants Me to Join His Club?" Question mark?

• 3:41Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 3:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi. I'm gonna start by saying I thoroughly enjoy your podcast. I listen to it while I work. Keep doing what you're doing. My name is Risa, and this story begins with my mother's car this past November. We were in it, heading to.

• 3:55Corinne Vien?

  We were in it.

• 3:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She didn't write it like that, but I had to like course correct from how I misread.

• 4:01Corinne Vien?

  The first front. Okay, got it.

• 4:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It said, "The story begins in my mother's car," but I said, "The story begins with my mother's car." And so then I added, "We were in it."

• 4:10Corinne Vien?

  We were in it.

• 4:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, we were in the car, and we were heading with my Girl Scout troop to a campground. It has these large cabins that multiple troops would sadly have to share, but it was just for a weekend. This camp was about an hour or so away, so it was dark by the time we got close. And I had been recently researching the Goatman's Bridge in Texas. So you can understand my uneasiness when we crossed a very similar looking bridge to get onto the grounds. Now, I don't live in Texas, so why was I concerned? I don't know. But as you'll see and learn, I had reason to. So this is the type of bridge where it looks like there's an ax murderer waiting at the end. I joked to my friends, saying this out loud, "Hey, looks like the type of bridge where an ax murderer will be waiting for us at the end."

• 4:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everyone laughed, but I felt uncomfortable, even though I made the joke. Friday went on, but then Saturday night, something started to occur. The younger girls in the cabin had finished being rowdy, and I was eager to get some sleep. But I couldn't stop looking out the window next to my bunk, out at the dark woods. Not being able to sleep, I crawled off the top bunk and got into my mom's bed. And I had done this a lot when I was little, but not so much anymore. I'm sure she thought it was sweet, but I did it because I was terrified. I finally drifted off to sleep when I entered a dream. In my dream, I was on the same bed. But instead of my mom laying in bed next to me, she was standing next to the bed. My head was turned to the right, and there was a man on my friend's bunk.

• 5:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this man had the head of a goat. He had long, twisted horns, glowing white eyes.

• 5:48Corinne Vien?

  My God, you were the chosen one.

• 5:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mom climbed on top of me, and for a second, I thought she was trying to protect me. But then she started to suffocate me, pressing down on me. And then this goat man reached out, grabbed my hand into his, and began to chant, "Sign, sign, sign." I woke up in a cold sweat after that. I didn't think much of it then, since I wanted to go back to sleep and I was too terrified. But then the next day, I sort of realized that there is the legend that the devil has a book that he gets people to sign.

• 6:20Corinne Vien?

  My God.

• 6:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So my question is, did I sign? Did I wake up before I did? Did I join the devil's cult? I don't know. Now, that could just be a bad and scary dream, or maybe I have witch blood in me. I don't know. I hope it's the second, because the spells I've been working on may actually come into use if I have witch blood. Thanks for all that you do, Risa.

• 6:41Corinne Vien?

  Wow. I mean, very freaky. Like, I understand if it is a nightmare, because it's like you're in a space that you haven't been in before. It's creepy. You're surrounded by dark woods. You're already on edge.

• 6:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Reading about Goatman's Bridge in Texas.

• 6:52Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 6:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The legends there.

• 6:55Corinne Vien?

  There, but also, the opposite could be true. It's like, what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

• 6:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sometimes thinking about or talking about it brings it forward. Which is why I shouldn't say the next couple of words when we do the next couple of stories that I have. But, I mean, our whole podcast is literally talking about the paranormal and creepy things.

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 7:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I am yet to be possessed. You are yet to be possessed, at least that everyone knows. What if the demon's playing the long game?

• 7:20Corinne Vien?

  Which one of us would they go for first?

• 7:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hope me.

• 7:24Corinne Vien?

  Well, because you'd be receptive, like, you'll do it.

• 7:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm doing things for the plot right now, you know?

• 7:29Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's why they will go for you, because you're, you're gonna say yes.

• 7:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then when I.

• 7:33Corinne Vien?

  It's a yes and year.

• 7:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yes and possession.

• 7:37Corinne Vien?

  Sure, I'll try anything once.

• 7:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Again, I probably want it too bad. I don't actually want to be possessed. I'll say that out loud, because let's just set intentions here.

• 7:47Corinne Vien?

  I certainly don't.

• 7:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I would like to meet a demon.

• 7:49Corinne Vien?

  And I won't.

• 7:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you're, nope. No demon's gonna mess with you. Come on.

• 7:54Corinne Vien?

  I don't have the energy to converse with them. They'll ask me a question, I'll be like, hold on, let me try to remember the English language. Like, I can't remember anything right now.

• 8:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Then you start speaking in Latin.

• 8:04Corinne Vien?

  I only talk in song lyrics. Or movie references.

• 8:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like stims.

• 8:09Corinne Vien?

  So, literally, it's like, well, are you up to date on TikTok? Because if not, you're not gonna get anywhere with me.

• 8:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, you know what I was thinking for our October encounters episode? We should dress up as, like, Salem Witch Trial era outfits, like, Puritans.

• 8:26Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 8:29Corinne Vien?

  And immediately brings me back to like, was it last year or the year before where everyone was doing on TikTok? Like, people were dressing up with like the little hats, like the, like, Puritan Quaker.

• 8:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:39Corinne Vien?

  Like, suit fits, and then doing the little heel tap and saying, "Witch!"

• 8:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I don't remember that trend. And maybe it was before.

• 8:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay, maybe I'll be that version.

• 8:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Corinne Vien?

  And you can be the witch.

• 8:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, okay. Kind of fun, right?

• 8:51Corinne Vien?

  All right.

• 8:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We could do that.

• 8:52Corinne Vien?

  Now you know. We'll see if we follow through.

• 8:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll see if we follow through.

• 8:55Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is from Skylar. It's called, "Urban Legends: My Energy Vampire Roommate and the Underground Railroad." So we're getting a bit of.

• 9:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Got a lot here.

• 9:03Corinne Vien?

  Bit of a mix. Hello, hope you're doing amazing. I started listening over a year ago, and I've been wanting to send in some stories for a while, but due to the length of some of them, I got lazy.

• 9:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We get it. Fair.

• 9:15Corinne Vien?

  I apologize for the length of this email. You guys can call me Skylar, she/her. All the names in this email have been changed. I believe that I've always had decent intuition. My friends often ask me to meet their new significant others early in their relationships, so that I can scope them out. I almost always know if I'm gonna get along with someone before I even talk to them. And I usually know when I'm gonna get in trouble or harm before it happens.

• 9:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. Those are great.

• 9:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 9:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Qualities to have.

• 9:42Corinne Vien?

  Totally. I think as a child, this manifested itself as deja vu. I would have dreams about events that would happen the next day at school. I would start to anticipate what moments I would experience. This deja vu, sometimes I could even respond to questions before they were asked because of it.

• 9:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 9:57Corinne Vien?

  So I no longer have this intense deja vu, and honestly, I'm happy about it. But I have had a number of paranormal encounters. I had a bunch before leaving college, which I'll send those stories in a different email. But these events that I'm going to write about start my freshman year of college. I attended college in the middle of nowhere, Ohio, and was excited to meet my roommate. The circumstances of how I met my roommate are a little bit weird. I had originally planned to room with a different girl that I had met in a chat room for our school. Did you do that?

• 10:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I met my roommate at Welcome Weekend, Lexi.

• 10:31Corinne Vien?

  Okay. I didn't even know that there was one. Like, I must have missed that email.

• 10:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You didn't go to Welcome Weekend?

• 10:36Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no, like the.

• 10:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, chat room to me.

• 10:38Corinne Vien?

  The like pairing. Like, I feel like so many people met online and were chatting online.

• 10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or got random.

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  And like, selected each other? I had no clue that was an option or that that existed.

• 10:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I joined the Facebook group. It was like LMU Class of 2015 Facebook group. Someone started.

• 10:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I remember like there were like three people who were so chatty on it.

• 11:00Corinne Vien?

  I did random.

• 11:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It worked out.

• 11:01Corinne Vien?

  And I loved Jenny.

• 11:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:02Corinne Vien?

  I might be a horror story for her, though. I'm not sure.

• 11:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She loved you too.

• 11:06Corinne Vien?

  I loved Jenny. Okay. Um, I originally planned on rooming with a different girl that I met in a chatroom for our school and was completely set on it. Right when I decided that I was about to delete my account and wouldn't get any more notifications, I had a feeling that I should check my newest message. It was from a girl named Rachel who'd been hoping to room with me. I added her on Snapchat and thought that I would at least get a friend out of it. It was almost immediately that I decided, oh, I need to room with Rachel instead of the other girl that I originally planned to room with. Everyone around me thought that this was really odd and I felt horrible to switch my plans on the original girl, but my gut told me that I needed to do this suddenly.

• 11:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also respect so like deeply you trusting your gut and being like, even if it's gonna hurt someone else's feelings, like I have to do what's right for me. Because still learning that.

• 11:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, and also like this is a living situation.

• 11:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. That's true.

• 11:58Corinne Vien?

  Months later, when I arrived on campus, I was excited to finally meet Rachel as I'd never spoken to her over the phone or really even seen her face.

• 12:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 12:06Corinne Vien?

  She'd gotten to school before me, but she was not in the room when I arrived. My parents got me moved in and when we were about to leave, she finally came into the room and I immediately felt off.

• 12:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 12:18Corinne Vien?

  I brushed it off, though, and I chalked it up to just being nervous. Rachel and I got close as time passed and we had a number of other people in our friend group, including teammates and dorm neighbors and random people that we met on campus. And our room quickly became the hangout room. It was always a good time. However, I noticed I started to get sick and tired all the time. It wasn't the usual sickness, like a frat flu or just possible poisoning from the suspected mold in the vents. It was an illness that would be like a bad ear infection or COVID or headaches or my taste completely changing. Inability to move my jaw for weeks.

• 12:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 12:52Corinne Vien?

  I felt so sick so often that I actually lost over 20 pounds without even trying.

• 12:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 12:58Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 12:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Opposite of the freshman.

• 13:00Corinne Vien?

  I gained that without trying. Jeez. Also during this time, I started to experience panic attacks. I had never experienced panic attacks before, despite having high levels of stress in high school, but again, I chalked it up to being in a new environment.

• 13:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Totally. I would too, especially if you went, if you went to a doctor and talked about all these symptoms, it would also be like, that's what they would probably say.

• 13:20Corinne Vien?

  And you're also like in a germ pool.

• 13:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:22Corinne Vien?

  Like college is like the version of sending kids to daycare. Like you're just gonna get sick all the time.

• 13:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:28Corinne Vien?

  I did notice that whenever I was experiencing a panic attack, my roommate was around and it would sometimes get worse and she never attempted to help me.

• 13:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yikes.

• 13:36Corinne Vien?

  I just thought that she was probably uncomfortable and didn't know what to do. I thought maybe these were just worse when anyone was around, but almost every time I did have an attack, my friend Jace or a familiar face on the floor would help me break out of it.

• 13:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So basically anyone except for her roommate.

• 13:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. My car had also started to experience a much higher rate of issues. It wasn't necessarily easy fixes either. Things like the engine braking, my brake line literally crumbling, a number of car accidents.

• 14:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 14:06Corinne Vien?

  I have no idea if these issues are actually due to Rachel and her energy vampire tendencies, but I would like to blame her for them.

• 14:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. Poor Rachel.

• 14:17Corinne Vien?

  This kinda is one of those things where it's like, is it their relationship with Rachel?

• 14:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or was there something in the room?

• 14:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like was Rachel also having crazy experiences like?

• 14:26Corinne Vien?

  And also thinking it was her?

• 14:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:28Corinne Vien?

  Her roommate?

• 14:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:29Corinne Vien?

  This girl, what, what was her code name?

• 14:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Skylar. Yeah. Or was it Rachel?

• 14:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. People's bodies know.

• 14:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:36Corinne Vien?

  It's one thing for your body to react to being in like a bad relationship or a pairing, but like car accidents, cars breaking down, like a ton of bad luck. That's also wild.

• 14:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Her life. Yeah.

• 14:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay. So while these things are happening to me, as a friend group, we remember that we're still in fact, in the middle of nowhere, Ohio. We wanna have fun and probably we're going to do so in cornfields.

• 14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's Ohio.

• 14:59Corinne Vien?

  Cornfields can be creepy, so why not Google if there are any urban legends taking place in the local fields?

• 15:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 15:05Corinne Vien?

  At first, our entire friend group would be happy to jump into someone's car at 2:00 AM and head into the dark. And this consisted of myself and Rachel and Jace and my other neighbor Cassie and my other friend Lily. We were all happy to engage in these rituals, find nothing and then get back to our dorms around 4:00 AM, only to wake up a matter of hours later for our class.

• 15:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which this energy can't be good for whatever energy it's already also happening.

• 15:28Corinne Vien?

  You're stirring the pot.

• 15:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:30Corinne Vien?

  But you also wanna have fun. Everything was going great. And also we're one to talk, like you and I would.

• 15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I literally said I would like to meet a demon. So, yeah.

• 15:38Corinne Vien?

  We would leave parties having consumed alcohol and be like, let's go break into buildings on campus and ghost hunt.

• 15:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We also were like, let's strip our clothes off and run down.

• 15:49Corinne Vien?

  We stripped one, one time, but we did streak through campus. It feels like a rite of passage.

• 15:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was, it was a short little run. We didn't go the whole.

• 15:58Corinne Vien?

  It was a short streak.

• 15:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we went down the mall.

• 16:01Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep. Anyway, good times.

• 16:03Corinne Vien?

  And if we were caught, you were the marathon runner out of the two of us, so I would have been the one getting in trouble. Okay. Myself and Cassie had gotten closer to a handful of other friends and would spend time hanging out with them. Like going to empty soccer fields at night, screaming out our frustrations, playing card games in the community area on the floor, building snowmen with the guys from Warm States. And it was all becoming very apparent that Rachel was not the kind of person who could be friends with the opposite sex. Nor was she capable of being okay with her friends having other friends. After we started to expand our friendships, the vibes started to change. Some of the friends that Cassie, Jace and myself had pulled into our larger group told us that they couldn't hang out with us when Rachel was there.

• 16:47Corinne Vien?

  And a few of them actually stopped talking to us altogether.

• 16:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so maybe it is Rachel.

• 16:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Rachel also stopped going to the urban legend trips with us. She would complain that she needed to be in bed before midnight and that we were being childish. Truly a wild thing to say to come from a girl that didn't know that the toilet bowl cleaner was to clean a toilet bowl. So the rest of us would just go on without her and we never had any issues. We even got one of the urban legends to work. During this time, Rachel started being increasingly difficult to live with, told me that I shouldn't be that close to Cassie, tried to cut Jason Lilly off from the rest of us. My car was in the shop for a month. I was constantly sick. I even had friendship issues with my friends at home now. And to add to all of this, I was just so exhausted, no matter how much sleep I did get.

• 17:36Corinne Vien?

  One night we had plans to go on one of these urban legends. It was one of the ones that we got to work in the past and Rachel did not want us to go. There was an argument between us and I told her that I was gonna go. I would be quiet when I get back in. And this was the first time that my intuition had kicked in since the day that I moved in. One of our extended friends was the one to drive. We arrived at the spot about 45 minutes from school. Did all the weird things that we needed to do to have the urban legend work, like turn off the car, honk, flash your lights, et cetera. Then we started our way up the road. Basically you have to drive to the end of one road, turn onto the next. And then a singular headlight is supposed to pop up behind your car and you're not supposed to let it catch you.

• 18:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, this is like the 11 mile road game. It's so scary.

• 18:21Corinne Vien?

  It will stay the same distance behind you no matter how fast or slow you go. Except this time, right before we turned onto the second road, a cat crossed in front of the car. And this isn't strange since we're in the middle of nowhere and I'm not normally superstitious, but I don't know, something about this gave me a bad vibe. We turned onto the second road and I was overcome with a feeling that we were not going to make it home.

• 18:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, God, that's a horrifying feeling.

• 18:46Corinne Vien?

  I was trying to explain this to the people in the car, but I couldn't get any words out. Everyone was screaming for the driver to go faster, but I keep telling them that they need to stay calm. I was uncomfortable in my seat. I was jumping around. I was looking through the windows, trying to find what was wrong. And this feeling did not subside for 45 minutes, not for the entire drive back to the dorm or even when I did get back into my room finally.

• 19:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jeez.

• 19:08Corinne Vien?

  Rachel, who was still awake when I got back, asked how it went. I told her I had a bad feeling and she just kind of ignored me and went to bed.

• 19:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Girl, you asked.

• 19:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I laid awake for hours because I was genuinely trying to figure out if I was alive or not, worried that if I fell asleep, I might never wake up again.

• 19:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is a horrifying feeling.

• 19:27Corinne Vien?

  A week or so later, we decided to go to a graveyard because there was a legend about being able to see someone in the window of the mausoleum. And this time Rachel decided that she did wanna go with us. Additionally, Lily's boyfriend joined us. I'm unsure if you've done the math, but basically we now don't have room for all the people to fit into one car. And so we did put someone in the trunk.

• 19:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 19:47Corinne Vien?

  As soon as we find the graveyard, I have a horrible feeling. It's well past midnight at this point. Cassie drives up to the mausoleum. Part of the ritual is that you're supposed to get out of your car, walk in a circle around the mausoleum. So we start to get out of the car, including opening the trunk for Jace, who was the one who had to be there. I'm halfway to the mausoleum and by the time that Lily and her boyfriend get out, which her boyfriend proceeds to then trip her and thinks that it's hilarious. We all stop, we yell at him. I am then hit with the most unsettling feeling that I have ever experienced. My stomach is curdling. I feel like I'm gonna vomit. I'm losing feeling in my arms. I'm struggling to collect my thoughts. I finish my way around the mausoleum and immediately I tell everyone to get back in their car and leave.

• 20:30Corinne Vien?

  I have not said this to any of them in all of our trips to the random cornfields, the graveyards or anything, so everyone just freezes. I repeat, we need to go, to which Lily and Cassie immediately respond. Lily pulls her boyfriend back into the car, Cassie starts it, Jace eventually starts to get moving and I'm practically pushing Rachel back to the car. As we're driving out, we realize that right next to where we were is a crematorium, which really freaked the rest of them out. Almost as soon as we leave, a police officer pulls up. They don't stop us. I'm unsure if my uneasy feeling was just because somehow I knew the police were gonna come or, I don't know. But the year finished, Cassie, Jace, Rachel, myself and a different person named Dylan all moved together into a house off campus for our sophomore year.

• 21:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rachel came too?

• 21:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 21:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 21:16Corinne Vien?

  Also from Rachel's perspective, like.

• 21:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, Rachel doesn't seem to be enjoying it.

• 21:19Corinne Vien?

  Someone who's constantly sick, having panic attacks, inviting everyone into your room all the time.

• 21:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you say that you wanna go to bed early, that you don't wanna go do all these adventures.

• 21:30Corinne Vien?

  And they're constantly getting in super late.

• 21:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. Who knows?

• 21:34Corinne Vien?

  You guys might both be each other's worst.

• 21:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:37Corinne Vien?

  It's hard to like, find someone who you match living with.

• 21:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Definitely.

• 21:42Corinne Vien?

  For every second of every day.

• 21:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, in a small space.

• 21:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay. So the house we moved into was rumored to be a part of the Underground Railroad. The town that we were in was on the path, but in addition to this, the house had lights on all side of the house and included a small concrete room in the basement that was only found through a small passageway inside of a closet.

• 22:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sick, sick, sick, sick. I need to know this town, what town this is and all the specifics of the urban legend, because this town feels fictional based on how much is going on here.

• 22:11Corinne Vien?

  Ohio, man.

• 22:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And who would have thought, in frickin' Ohio?

• 22:15Corinne Vien?

  From the start of us living in this house, my sickness, low energy, car problems and stress got so much worse. I'm unsure if the lore of the house aided in this, or if it was because Dylan was a bit of an energy headache in addition to Rachel right now.

• 22:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The combo.

• 22:30Corinne Vien?

  I was diagnosed with POTS while I was living here. Okay, well, that might make sense for a lot of the stuff.

• 22:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Corinne Vien?

  But the energy in the house was awful. And Rachel was having issues with all of us. Dylan had issues with Rachel and Jace. Jace has issues with Dylan now. Cassie and I have issues with Rachel. Essentially, it was a mess, because everyone's being like

• 22:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Drama.

• 22:50Corinne Vien?

  Pegged against each other here. It was also possible that the house was haunted. Cassie, Dylan and myself all had rooms on the second floor, and we would hear footsteps up and down the stairs, footsteps in the hallway, throats being cleared, we'd see the bathroom light turn on. And Rachel and Jace never came upstairs without making their presence known, so we knew that it couldn't be them.

• 23:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also just feel like this whole group has done so much in just one year of college. So many paranormal adventures. They're tempting fate a lot, like, it's very possible they are all haunted.

• 23:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah. Close it out or cleanse their space or something. And if one of them's like scared, like if Rachel is like, oh, I don't want to go.

• 23:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 23:31Corinne Vien?

  It doesn't stop the, like, they're all just still bringing the energy all over the place.

• 23:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Pretty chaotic here.

• 23:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, seems like everyone's getting afflicted.

• 23:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 23:39Corinne Vien?

  Here. We affectionately named the ghost Bernie and welcomed him home. Now, at this point in time, Rachel would come into my room, she'd wake me up, she'd tell me that I'm a bad friend because I didn't go to the store with her while I was sick, and then told me that I didn't deserve any accomplishments or achievements that I had.

• 23:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, Rachel, girl, chill.

• 23:56Corinne Vien?

  This is so weird. This also, for some reason, is giving me like Amityville horror vibes.

• 24:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, everyone's become like the worst version of themselves.

• 24:02Corinne Vien?

  Yes. This was also the first and only time that I had a lucid dream. It involved me and Rachel in my room, me asking for the time and realizing that it was a dream. Jace, Cassie and Lily had walked into my room in this dream, and all four of them told me that I wasn't supposed to acknowledge that I was sleeping. I thought I woke up, went into the bathroom and ran into Cassie, Dylan and Rachel, and told them about my dream. They looked at each other, and that is when I realized, I'm actually still dreaming. This is the watered down version, because I genuinely get goosebumps every time I talk about it. It makes me feel so uneasy, but my dreams tend to be very detailed and strange. But this was something different. And then, in late winter, the friendship between Rachel and the rest of us finally ended despite us all living together.

• 24:46Corinne Vien?

  She moved in with a new group of friends, and almost immediately, I stopped having panic attacks. I felt way less sick. The next year, Cassie, Lily and I lived together, and my POTS symptoms were way less. I didn't have panic attacks, my car had no issues. My dreams weren't unsettling, and I actually had energy to go out and do things with friends and to participate in extracurriculars. Now, years later, I'm in grad school, and the house we lived in sophomore year has been torn down. Cassie, Lily, Jace and I, we're all still friends. We have no idea what's going on with Rachel, but I do know she's no longer friends with the people that she moved in with after us.

• 25:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 25:23Corinne Vien?

  I have never investigated any urban legends after my experience in the graveyard, but maybe I should give it another shot since Rachel isn't here anymore? Thanks, Skylar.

• 25:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 25:34Corinne Vien?

  Kind of a nightmarish, nightmarish experience all around, because friendships and relationships, especially when you're a young adult.

• 25:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:41Corinne Vien?

  Really, you're still a teenager.

• 25:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For, yeah.

• 25:43Corinne Vien?

  You got teen.

• 25:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you're young.

• 25:46Corinne Vien?

  At the end of your age, it's horrible. And I feel like things can like bubble up really quickly and all of the anxiety and just like the anticipation of being around someone that you're not getting along with, like, makes everything worse.

• 25:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's also just so interesting that it started with Skylar having a roommate already picked out that they met. And then, just like one small interaction with Rachel, made her just change everything.

• 26:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's what's weird.

• 26:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe the purpose of it wasn't about Rachel, but it was about meeting these other friends that Skylar is still to this day friends with.

• 26:19Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 26:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's just such a weird thing to have such an intense gut instinct of like, I need to be roommates with this person, and then for that person to have such an impact on your life.

• 26:30Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 26:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In almost a negative way.

• 26:32Corinne Vien?

  In a very negative way. And I'm curious too, like, if she ended up being friends with the girl that she was originally supposed to roommate with?

• 26:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, good question. Or are they never friends because the drama?

• 26:43Corinne Vien?

  The drama? Or she was just like, oh, this is weird vibes?

• 26:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. We have questions. I also really want to know all these urban legends and the location of this college.

• 26:52Corinne Vien?

  But like, I agree with what you said, where it's like, this group is, like, things are getting exacerbated because they're doing so much.

• 26:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:00Corinne Vien?

  And it doesn't sound like they're doing it with much protection?

• 27:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, you're just freewheeling it. It's just like a fun college thing to do.

• 27:08Corinne Vien?

  Fuck around and find out.

• 27:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a fuck around and find out.

• 27:11Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

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• 28:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As promised, I will only say the word once.

• 28:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 28:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I have two stories about the same entity, known as a skinwalker. We will-

• 28:53Corinne Vien?

  Or what the internet has decided to call them, flush pedestrian.

• 28:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or SW. We'll call them flush pedestrians.

• 29:00Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 29:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So this is an encounter while camping in British Columbia, Canada, from a listener, Taylor. Hello, Sabrina and Corinne. My name is Taylor, and I've been a listener for your podcast for about a year now. And I've been wanting to share some stories with you for a while, but I didn't know which one to pick. So here's the scariest and most recent. I grew up in Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada, and I've heard about and have had my own fair share of strange and unexplainable stories. We have a very strong indigenous community in and around Chilliwack. And many of their very old stories tell of monsters and beasts in the vast mountain ranges which surround our beloved valley. And I've always been skeptical about the tales of Sasquatch and shapeshifters, SWs, but last summer, that completely changed.

• 29:46Corinne Vien?

  Dun, dun, dun.

• 29:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is an urban legend that we take very seriously. It was August of 2025. My friends and I were freshly graduated from high school, and we had planned a short camping trip before we all left for university. We drove about an hour and a half deep into the woods on an old logging road that I had grown up on, far from any town or people. Throughout the day, as everyone arrived, we set up our campsite in a clearing which overlooks the Chilliwack River Valley, where the mountains reach far up into the sky and where phone service fades away. We had a relaxing afternoon and evening, and the sun was hot on our skin as we put up our tents and organized our dinners on a small campfire. As the sun set in a glowing pink sky, a bright full moon began to illuminate the woods and the mountains around us. That and our small fire being our only light.

• 30:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Peaceful, right? After dinner, we played a couple drinking games for hours, sitting around the fire, truth or dare, going late into the night. And it must have been around one or two in the morning when I dared my friend, M, to walk into the woods for about 60 seconds with no light before coming back. I knew she would say no, because she was an easily spooked person, so I was just trying to get her to drink. But she immediately turned the dare on me, and being stubborn, I of course did it.

• 31:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I got up out of my camping chair very clumsily because I had had quite a few drinks. And I told my friends I would see them in a minute and walked straight into the woods. And I am aware that this is dumb and it's not smart to do as a young, small female, but I did it. And luckily I knew where there was a bit of trail and I knew where I was going because this is where my dad and I would hike down to the river to go fishing for salmon every fall. I didn't set a timer. I just walked into the forest until I got to the edge of a hill where the trees cleared and I could see the mountains looming over the thousands of stars in the sky. And then I was like, you know what? While I'm here, I'll take a quick scenic pee under the bright, full moon. And once I finished, I pulled my pants back up and started to head back. Now, under the trees, it was incredibly dark, like the kind of dark where I'm guessing where to step, hoping I knew the trail well enough.

• 31:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was no way I was going to use a flashlight and ruin the dare. Plus, I was not afraid. I grew up in these woods and my nerves were eased as I was very much under the influence. However, on my way back, that peace started to change and I started to get that feeling. The one where sudden dread melts through your skin, where you can feel a million eyes on you everywhere and the hairs on the back of your neck start to stand up. And then I noticed it was dead quiet. The bugs had stopped tripping. There was no wind. I immediately sobered up, picking up on my intuition that something was in fact very, very wrong. My pace quickened, but I didn't dare to run because that would make my fear way too real.

• 32:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But now, with the help of the moon and a small break in the canopy of branches, I could see the end of trail and the glow of the fire past the tree line. And then I heard someone shouting. It was my friend A calling my name out into the woods in a very worried tone. I figured she was concerned because I had been gone longer than 60 seconds and she stresses she's the mom of the group. When I heard her, I felt instant relief. I was back. I was out of the woods. So I ran up to her smiling, but before I could say anything, she asked, was that you?

• 32:50Corinne Vien?

  What? No!

• 32:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she sounded terrified. I looked around.

• 32:54Corinne Vien?

  And also to know that you were like something's going on and you were just alone in the woods too.

• 32:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I looked around at the others and saw most of the group had been backed up to their vehicles, keys in hand, terrified. Two of the guys had flashlights and bear spray aimed into the trees and bushes just to the left of the trail where I had just come out of. It was so clear. They had such real looks of fear in their eyes. It made my stomach want to fall out of my ass. I hoped it was just a wild animal, but immediately I knew that they had seen or heard something. And whatever it was, it definitely was not me.

• 33:26Corinne Vien?

  Holy crap.

• 33:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The two guys who were looking into the woods with flashlights, K and E, explained to me that while they were sitting down, they were facing the space behind the fire where the clearing went into the trees and the view over the valley was. Everyone else had their backs to that area or just weren't paying attention. While I was gone, K and E watched a pale figure emerge from the trees on the right side of the campsite. It was just far enough away that the dim firelight couldn't reach it, but the moon was lighting up its silhouette. They described it to be about the size of a large white dog walking on all fours. But instead of walking, it appeared to be gliding and it definitely was not dog shaped. It came towards the group at an angle, staring right at everyone. When K and E saw it, they both stood up instinctively at the same time, instantly on high alert, focusing so hard on it without saying a word.

• 34:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As they stood up, this thing turned and walked or hovered across the rest of the clearing and then silently disappeared into the forest, right into the area that I was in.

• 34:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 34:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this happened a few minutes before I ever made it back to the campsite. They hoped it was me somehow trying to scare them, but when I confirmed it was not me, everyone wanted to leave. K and E then started to tell everyone, no, no, no, it was just a joke. We didn't actually see anything. But we all feel like they were just trying to cover it, try to pretend it wasn't a big deal. And at that time, me and K were dating and later that night, we were still awake in his tent, talking about ghost stories and the paranormal. And this is after everyone else had gone to bed. As we're talking, a bear came into our campsite, trying to get into our cars where the food was. So we left the tent and chased it super far down the logging road. Also, what?

• 34:57Corinne Vien?

  What is happening on this trip?

• 34:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were experiencing the outdoors and we had both already chased off that same bear, or we think was the same bear earlier that day. On our walk back to the tent, K asked me to promise to keep something to myself until the trip was over. K told me that he and E were not joking about what they saw earlier that night. They told us that they were messing with us because everyone was so scared and wanted to leave and they didn't want to end the trip early. But they were both terrified and they absolutely saw what they saw. They knew it was real. Safe to say, me and K slept cozily with our bear spray and pocket knives at our sides. We ended up staying for the rest of the trip and nothing else happened. Although I do think I may have astral projected, nothing else happened. So.

• 35:36Corinne Vien?

  This is like the wildest, like both paranormal and real life danger event.

• 35:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, I know.

• 35:43Corinne Vien?

  Should you be in the woods?

• 35:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my, ice melted. Ha, I'm on edge. So the second night, me and K were up late again and we heard what sounded like a massive tree being thrown in the woods not too far from us. When we went to go inspect, we couldn't find anything. But K has this huge Bigfoot obsession, so we blamed it on the local Sasquatch.

• 36:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, that's what I was gonna say. So not only did you see a flush pedestrian or some of the members of your group, but there's also a Bigfoot.

• 36:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it was probably just a large tree falling, but it's more fun to think it was Bigfoot throwing a tantrum.

• 36:13Corinne Vien?

  Or there's just like a weird portal in the woods here.

• 36:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, there for sure is.

• 36:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 36:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Me and K are very close and we're both intrigued by the paranormal world, talking about it together all the time and sharing our theories. He grew up in remote Alberta where he had something with a white face running alongside his car on the highway. He also once fell into a trance and woke up in the forest three hours later.

• 36:33Corinne Vien?

  Excuse me?

• 36:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And even had something mimicking his voice in the woods. We need all of them stories.

• 36:38Corinne Vien?

  Well, it sounds like this is the person to blame for everything that happened that night.

• 36:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All of the encounters. He is very in tune with spiritual encounters and takes the subject very, very seriously and is not the type of person to lie about it. Even when he talks about his experiences, he gets visible goosebumps.

• 36:52Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 36:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So yeah, I fully believe that he and E had experienced something. They saw something that they weren't supposed to. It's just too weird that I wasn't afraid walking through the woods until what they saw joined me in there. Because like timing wise, when like everything went silent in the woods was the same time that entity probably went back into the woods. To be clear, there was maybe a seven foot stretch of woods between a steep hill and the trail that I was on. And that is where the thing disappeared. Whatever they saw, saw me. It was probably close enough to reach out and touch me and I had no idea it was there. K and I talked about the encounter a few months later and the best way he could describe what he saw that night was a very tall, thin, naked human walking smoothly on all fours like a gorilla. I asked if it was possible it was a deer or a bobcat that had lost its hair.

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But he said the way it moved and its build was nothing like any other animal he's ever seen before. He still has trouble explaining how it walked because he basically says it wasn't walking. It was floating. Whatever it was was unnatural. After this, I'm never ignoring my intuition in the future because when the forest goes all quiet, you know, something's up.

• 37:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Chilliwack is 30 minute drive from the Harrison area you guys talked about in one of your Bigfoot episodes a while back. And I've spent a lot of time in this area. I've heard stories about shapeshifters in Harrison Lake and have had friends see something similar to what K and E saw coming out of the water in that area.

• 38:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So you guys should do a deep dive on that area. It's famous for Sasquatch, but clearly a lot more as well.

• 38:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we need to. What's this place called again?

• 38:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Harrison Lake in Canada. Are you?

• 38:25Corinne Vien?

  I'm just gonna straight up add it.

• 38:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, lots of local legends. The Lake Monster.

• 38:31Corinne Vien?

  All right, well, I put it in our.

• 38:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You gotta do it. Ooh, haunted hotels too. But yeah, thank you for reading Stay Stylish and Spooky Taylor.

• 38:39Corinne Vien?

  Dang, I don't even know what to say. There, there's so much here.

• 38:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's horrifying.

• 38:45Corinne Vien?

  And maybe they saw this, maybe they didn't, but then they said they didn't. But then also this other person's been plagued for years, being followed by this weird stuff in Canada. And also there's something creepy in the lake that just looks exactly like this.

• 38:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, also keep in mind, K, like this whole group had been sitting around the campfire for hours, drinking, playing drinking games, playing like you can't safely get back into your car and drive out of the woods at like three in the morning after drinking.

• 39:08Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 39:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so the only way to really make it through the night is for K and E to be like, we were just joking, you guys, it's okay. Don't worry. We can all sleep. We're safe. But then.

• 39:17Corinne Vien?

  And while I never condone anyone trying, I do feel like sometimes there's a certain level of fear that the adrenaline sovers you up so quick too.

• 39:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if there's a murderer, get in your car and fucking drive.

• 39:27Corinne Vien?

  Or drive over the murderer.

• 39:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Murder the murderer.

• 39:29Corinne Vien?

  Murder the murderer.

• 39:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We can go on that.

• 39:31Corinne Vien?

  Cancels out. It equals zero. Zero murders if you murder a murderer.

• 39:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How to get away with murder. Around the two girls, one ghost.

• 39:41Corinne Vien?

  My gosh, okay. Well, that is horrifying. I will never go there.

• 39:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you will research it.

• 39:47Corinne Vien?

  But I will research it. And I like knowing that it exists because like, I don't know, what if someday someone's like, oh.

• 39:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You want to go to Harrison Lake?

• 39:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 39:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you're like, let me look at the two girls, one ghost Excel real quick and double check if we've ever covered it.

• 40:01Corinne Vien?

  Honestly, that's probably what we should start doing before we plan things. Look in our inbox. Does anyone have any horrifying tales from here?

• 40:11Speaker 00

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• 41:12Speaker 04

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• 41:42Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have a story from Marcus. Hiya, brand new listener, maybe about a month.

• 41:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it. Hi, Marcus.

• 41:49Corinne Vien?

  Hi, Marcus. We're also going to the Midwest area. Is Ohio the Midwest?

• 41:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I think it qualifies as Midwest. Ohio starts the Midwest.

• 41:59Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 41:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:00Corinne Vien?

  I live in a very old farmhouse in Iowa, like so old that there's a coal chute in the driveway and a boarded up coal room in the basement. My very first time-

• 42:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool.

• 42:09Corinne Vien?

  So cool. My very first time in the house, I ran up to see my room. I was nine. It was the first time I had my own room ever. And I'm searching for a light switch in the hallway, and this place is old, so the light switches were two buttons that you push in.

• 42:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cool.

• 42:23Corinne Vien?

  That honestly, like, seems fancier than a modern light switch. I'm almost like-

• 42:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everything that's old-

• 42:28Corinne Vien?

  That's an upgrade.

• 42:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, everything that's old feels new now.

• 42:31Corinne Vien?

  All of a sudden, the lights came on and the switch was on the opposite wall. Other times, I hear the washer and dryer going on in the basement, and as soon as I'd opened the basement door, the noise would stop and there would be no laundry in. My last story from the house, we always kept a spare bed in my room because we would sometimes take in foster kids. Multiple times, I'd fall asleep in my bed and wake up in the spare bed, but with my pillow and blanket on top of the made bed.

• 42:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, w- wait. What?

• 42:59Corinne Vien?

  So it's like, if Marcus was sleepwalking, it's like he gets out of bed, makes his bed perfectly-

• 43:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And goes and stays on-

• 43:06Corinne Vien?

  And lays on a bare mattress.

• 43:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 43:09Corinne Vien?

  Or something is removing him-

• 43:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Making the bed and placing him there.

• 43:15Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 43:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Either way, creepy.

• 43:17Corinne Vien?

  Okay, my second story is about something that I think I saw when I was about 17 at the time. A dog man or a werewolf? Anyway, I was driving home from work at a grocery store. We lived in a different house out in the country, and my drive home from work was about 15 minutes. As I got a mile away from home, along the tree line, I saw two glowing red eyes at about the height of a very tall man. I thought, okay, well, that's weird, but whatever. I'm coming to a stop sign, and then I see the eyes are keeping pace with me, but now they're on all fours. I was going 60 miles an hour before starting to slow to a stop. And as I started to slow, the creature, which was darker than the outside darkness, leapt over my car. And believe me, it was dark out. It was like 10:30 PM. It was February.

• 44:03Corinne Vien?

  I pull the California stop, or the California rolls, but we call it over here. And then I turn left, I drive a quarter of a mile, and then turn right onto a gravel road, which was the road that I lived on. Then I noticed that the creature is back on the right side of my car again, keeping pace.

• 44:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 44:21Corinne Vien?

  I turn into my driveway, I'm white knuckling my steering wheel, and my horse Mikey is going nuts.

• 44:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not Mikey?

• 44:28Corinne Vien?

  Mikey. He starts running top speed around his night enclosure. He's a retired racehorse, so he's pretty dang fast. He's stomping, he's snorting. I park, I'm sweating, I'm scared. And then Mikey just relaxes. I get scared he might be hurt, so I grab a machete and a collapsible baton out of my backseat. Oh, those are just in your backseat?

• 44:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Casual.

• 44:50Corinne Vien?

  He parked at the grocery store where he works and just keeps in his backseat. Oh my god.

• 44:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, if you're dealing with these creepy cryptids in the street, you need this.

• 44:58Corinne Vien?

  You need that.

• 44:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you need something.

• 45:00Corinne Vien?

  And I go to check on Mikey. He's spooked, but he calms even more once he sees me. He's totally fine, so I run inside. I grab him an apple and some sugar cubes-

• 45:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, cute.

• 45:09Corinne Vien?

  And I finally end up sleeping for just a couple of hours. The next morning, we see the fence of Mikey's enclosure. It is ripped open from the outside, like something was clawing its way into the yard.

• 45:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god.

• 45:22Corinne Vien?

  I'm pretty sure my retired racehorse saved my life and scared away a cryptid.

• 45:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would honestly, after that, I have Mikey be sleeping in the house with me.

• 45:30Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 45:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, Mikey-

• 45:31Corinne Vien?

  Your, your outdoor night enclosure is now indoors in my bed.

• 45:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Corinne Vien?

  We're sleeping together. You're in my room now, buddy.

• 45:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're a house pet now.

• 45:40Corinne Vien?

  A giant retired racehorse, indoor pet, lap horse. Finally, uh, my last story is about the Black Angel in Oakland Cemetery in Iowa City.

• 45:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've read stories about this recently, and I think we covered it.

• 45:53Corinne Vien?

  I think I did a spooky graves-

• 45:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:56Corinne Vien?

  -episode that included this.

• 45:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 45:58Corinne Vien?

  And we definitely recently read-

• 46:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Corinne Vien?

  Something, uh, from this. Anyway, in high school, I was 18. The Black Angel was a popular place to visit for all of us pot-smoking, drinking teenagers, and almost all of my friends were very respectful and even left coins and cool rocks. Anything-

• 46:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very nice.

• 46:14Corinne Vien?

  -we deemed a proper tribute. One night, I found myself out there and another group of teenagers had showed up. Lo and behold, one of the guys is my buddy M, who I met at Vacation Bible School years ago. Our parents made us go to the same church, but neither of us really liked church at all. But M is drunk as hell. Despite everyone trying to stop him, he decided to piss on the Black Angel.

• 46:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 46:37Corinne Vien?

  And this is not an urban legend. I witnessed this happen. Two days later, M was in a fatal car accident. For no reason that is known, he veered off the road into a telephone pole. He wasn't able to get his seatbelt off, and he burned to death in the crash.

• 46:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry. That's horrifying.

• 46:57Corinne Vien?

  Love you, ladies. See you on the other side, Marcus.

• 47:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Marcus, geez, that's not at all where I thought this was gonna go.

• 47:03Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 47:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, well, I just looked it up. We covered it in episode 323. You're right, it is your haunting tombstones episode.

• 47:12Corinne Vien?

  Because that was like one of the problems, was like teenagers climbing it or peeing on it or like doing things like that.

• 47:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then tragic things happening?

• 47:18Corinne Vien?

  I don't remember what happens after, but I just remember vandalism being an issue.

• 47:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yikes. Okay, well, lots of horrors here, sad tragedies, and then also, what is this creature? And like, is there, like, is this a common sighting where you live?

• 47:31Corinne Vien?

  And it keeping speed the whole time, too?

• 47:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And jumping over your car?

• 47:35Corinne Vien?

  And then Marcus thought he was safe, like, jumps over the car, you don't see it anymore. You're like, cool.

• 47:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Pop.

• 47:40Corinne Vien?

  Starts to hit home, and then it's like you're on your road, you're like dirt driveway, your gravel driveway, and it's right there, right outside your window.

• 47:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How do you ever get out of your car? Even if your horse has calmed down, I would not want to get out of my car again.

• 47:51Corinne Vien?

  Because you just saw it. Marcus felt safe enough with his machete.

• 47:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So scary.

• 47:55Corinne Vien?

  But also, like, I don't know that I'd feel safe enough with a machete with something that can go 60 miles an hour next to my car and leap over the car. Like, what do you even, what, how fast do horses run? Could Mikey outrun it? But we don't know if that was top speed for the creature.

• 48:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we also don't know the cryptid, yeah.

• 48:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right, well, I have one more to end us on, again, about the entity who should not be named, Flat Pedestrian, and the ranch itself.

• 48:21Corinne Vien?

  No way.

• 48:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is one of the most unusual emails we've ever gotten, in the sense that it's a gr- like a team that does experiments around this ranch.

• 48:33Corinne Vien?

  Like, that's their whole-

• 48:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I'll give you the little blurb, and then they sent a, one of like the leaders of the organization's experiences, and that's what I'll read, but I'll read the blurb first. Okay. Dear Two Girls, One Ghost, I'm reaching out because your show is one of the few that actually explores the real intersection of high strangeness and experienced paranormal supernatural phenomena. Attached are submission documents regarding my team's work at Umbra Vivantis Lucius, of course.

• 48:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, this feels so official. I feel like we're getting inducted into some, like, high society of paranormal right now.

• 49:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 49:06Corinne Vien?

  Did we make it?

• 49:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is private land directly overlooking the ranch, where we've been running safe, legal, tech- augmented vision quests and contact experiences for over five years.

• 49:17Corinne Vien?

  I just got chills. That is so freaking cool.

• 49:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've hosted hundreds of guests with zero negative experiences from participants reported. These include direct dialogues with shadow figures, luminous orbs, and the intelligences that live on the ranch.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  I want to know if they've ever done a CE5 event out there.

• 49:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've done everything from God helmet to legal psilocybin work.

• 49:37Corinne Vien?

  I don't even know what those things are.

• 49:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they've also like collaborated with the Monroe Institute, which is Gateway Tapes. Yeah. The exact nexus where the psychic del- Renaissance and the UFO disclosure moment are colliding in real time, with the two connecting at the realization that connective tissue of the two is consciousness exploration, so they for sure have done a CE5 event.

• 49:58Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 49:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're already doing the work, boots on the ground, in the most supernatural place on earth.

• 50:03Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 50:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We would love to share with you and your listeners and community some of the nothing short of miraculous findings of engaging in these pursuits over the last few years. In the attached, you'll find the overview of the project as well as personal accounts from our project collaborator, Anne, who is interested and available to speak directly with your team, but I'm just going to read her experiences. They have audio clips, examples of interviews and coverage, and so much more. So if you guys are interested, you can look up this company, too.

• 50:32Corinne Vien?

  I'm gonna, as you read Anne's testimony.

• 50:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You go to the website and it's visionary experiences in sacred lands. And they have retreats that you could go on.

• 50:42Corinne Vien?

  I'm on that tab now. I'm looking.

• 50:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 50:45Corinne Vien?

  From May through October, weather permitting.

• 50:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So these are the stories and experiences from Anne. Overall, my experiences next to Flesh Pedestrian Ranch spanned a wide range of phenomena. Interactions with UFOs, UAPs, engagement via, say, Sonics, missing time, shadow beings, cryptids, and much, much more. The following are just two examples of those interactions. In 2023, I spent eight months living in Utah's Unida Basin, a place that feels like it's caught between real world and something else entirely. My boyfriend at the time, who's now just a friend, Ray, has 15 acres of land sitting right next to Flesh Pedestrian Ranch. These desert badlands have been one of the most scientifically studied paranormal hotspots

• 51:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  in the world for many decades, both through government-funded programs and private investigations. Researchers have documented everything from UFO sightings and cryptid creatures to time anomalies and ghostly apparitions. The phenomena here are slippery, often described as trickster-like, mischievous, deceptive, and always one step ahead.

• 51:50Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 51:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Locals and researchers alike talk of voices with no source, shadows that run through the night, and entities that seem to toy with your perception, testing your instincts. It's as if the land itself plays games, daring you to question what's real. One of my first encounters happened on a warm spring day, not long after my then-boyfriend, Ray, and I arrived from our apartment in the next town over. We were there that day to continue working on various projects across the property for Ray's project Umbra Vaventis Lucius. We have groups out to skywatch and commune with the energies in that space using various modalities for expanding one's consciousness. And this day, the sky was a perfect blue. There was no wind, and I was standing on a hill, just taking in the beauty of the scenery around me, when all of a sudden, a woman's voice cut through the silence yelling, "Help!"

• 52:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was from the direction of a small pond and a cluster of trees nearby. Ray and I were supposed to be the only ones on this land.

• 52:41Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 52:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So my guard went up instantly. I froze, listening, and a few moments later, the voice came again. "Help, help!" More urgently this time. This voice was entirely out of place, and there was just something about it that didn't sound quite right, like it was too flat and the words were drawn out too long, almost like a recording that's been slowed down. Knowing the lore of the basin, where things aren't always as they seem, I didn't rush towards the sound, because the stories of this ranch and its trickster phenomena, like voices mimicking distress to lure people into danger, flashed through my mind. And I was not about to fall for it. Instead, I yelled back, "Yeah, that's not gonna work on me!" And the yelling stopped abruptly, but then something worse started. A child's voice began calling out, "Mom, mom!"

• 53:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Over and over, in the same flat, drawn-out tone, just now in a higher pitch. My skin prickled, but I forced myself to stay calm. Whatever was out there, I knew it was not a child and probably wasn't even human. It felt like a test, like something was trying to bait me into running toward that pond. So I waited, heart pounding, as the calls continued sporadically for about 30 seconds. I was hoping that they would just stop. And then finally, I yelled back, "I've already helped two kids make it to adulthood. You are on your own, buddy." I don't know why that's what came out of my mouth, because my kids were still teenagers at the time, but the moment the words left my mouth, the air went silent, and whatever it was did not call out again.

• 54:01Corinne Vien?

  But also, she engaged it.

• 54:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 54:04Corinne Vien?

  She recognized it, she engaged it.

• 54:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah, but would it have ever stopped? I don't know.

• 54:07Corinne Vien?

  See something, no, you don't. Hear something, no, you didn't. What happened to those rules?

• 54:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 54:13Corinne Vien?

  Just because we're not in Appalachia, they no longer apply?

• 54:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whatever it was, it didn't call out again, and I didn't go looking to see what was hiding in those trees. Okay, but a couple of months later, in June, another incident shook me to my core. Ray and I were setting up for a night of stargazing with a campfire already crackling. It was around 6:00 PM or 6:30. Either way, it was still light out, and it was just the two of us. We had been temporarily leasing space on a neighboring property that had a trailer, and sometimes we would stay in it. I was walking over there to grab some supplies for the evening, and as I stepped through a break in the fence where the two properties met, I noticed there was someone standing by a tree on the neighbor's side of the property. It was a man, about six feet tall, dressed in jeans and a white tank top. Now, at first, I wasn't alarmed, because people often do stop along this road, having to catch a glimpse of the ranch.

• 54:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I think that's actually a big issue here, is that people would break onto the property.

• 55:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So I figured he had seen the campfire smoke and wandered over for a closer look. And yeah, occasionally, we would invite curious folks onto the property if they seemed cool. So I was about to call out, "Hey!", but before the word fully left my mouth, something impossible happened. In a single moment, that man transformed into a deer. One second, there was a human finger standing there, and the next, a deer was staring back at me. There was no shifting of faces or limbs, it was just a man, then suddenly, it was a deer, and I was stunned, frozen in place, my brain truly struggling to process what the hell I had just seen. This deer held my gaze for a few seconds before bolting across the property. I could hear its hooves pounding on the ground as it ran up a small slope, and then it paused. I whipped my head back to where the man had been standing. Nothing, he was gone. I turned back to the deer, expecting to still see it there on the slope, but nope, it was

• 55:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  gone. No more sounds, no bristle of bush, nothing. It was just gone, in a blink of an eye. The next day, I told the story to the property owner where we had been renting that trailer, and he had motion-activated cameras set up in the area. So he went to check the footage from the time of the incident. He called me back later, confirming the cameras had been triggered exactly when I said the event had happened. And in the sequence that matched the path the deer man had taken, but here's the kicker, the footage showed nothing. So there was a trigger, as if the cameras picked up motion, but on the camera, there was nothing. No footage that showed anything, no man, no deer, no movement at all. The property owner was familiar with the phenomena, and it wasn't surprising. To all of us, it's just validation, because the trickster-like entities of this basin

• 56:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  don't always play by the rules of cameras or logic. They show you what they want you to see and then vanish without a trace. So yeah, living next to the ranch, I've learned quickly that the land doesn't just hold secrets, it plays with them. Those experiences, the voice and the deer man, have left me with a mix of awe and unease. They were reminders that the Unida Basin, you're never really alone, and whatever's out there is always watching, waiting to see if you'll take the bait.

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  I mean, I was gonna say, it sounds like she's had so many experiences, but it makes sense, because she's involved in this, spends-

• 57:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So much time there.

• 57:05Corinne Vien?

  A ton of time.

• 57:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 57:07Corinne Vien?

  But like, how scary to have so many close encounters.

• 57:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is from Anne and Ray, and they host retreats, so-

• 57:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I was, so I was going through a bunch of, because their website, there's a "Too Long, Don't Read" tab. And so I read through that. It's basically like, you, you don't have to participate in the psychedelic trip-

• 57:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 57:27Corinne Vien?

  -experience, but you can.

• 57:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can.

• 57:29Corinne Vien?

  But they made it very clear, you cannot bring your own drugs.

• 57:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Smart. At least they're having some control.

• 57:34Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm. And that they're not interested in reality TV shows asking them to participate in anything unless it's Nathan Fielder.

• 57:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, that's amazing.

• 57:45Corinne Vien?

  It's so funny.

• 57:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, apparently, they're interested in us, too, because they emailed us.

• 57:50Corinne Vien?

  How wild, though, for them. I'm so curious, like, I mean, a lot of the SW Ranch thing, the focus is on flesh pedestrians, but I'm very curious about knowing that they're just trying to, like, study the whole thing.

• 58:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Corinne Vien?

  That there's a lot of, like, UFO stuff that happens in the area, too. I'm interested in the alien piece.

• 58:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe this is where we go for our CE5 event. We team up-

• 58:13Corinne Vien?

  We go out-

• 58:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  -with the team at Umbra Vaventis Lucius, which I'm curious, what does that mean?

• 58:18Corinne Vien?

  Well, maybe we'll go out to the desert. We'll see for ourselves.

• 58:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, that, that area kind of scares me.

• 58:23Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 58:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I, I feel like I might draw a line there. Like, I'd rather go to Area 51.

• 58:28Corinne Vien?

  I'm kind of with you. Like, I don't actually, there's so many places, like, so many ghost hunters and, and different, like, documentary makers or whatever, who want to go here, because it's like-

• 58:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Corinne Vien?

  -spooky and scary.

• 58:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:43Corinne Vien?

  I feel like we can get a lot of the same activity somewhere that feels less, like-

• 58:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I feel like, I feel like I need to respect that area more. Like, respect all areas, don't get me wrong, but there's something, like, ancient and beyond what I should ever, as a human, little plebe, experience, whereas an area where the government is for sure experimenting or got aliens up going on, I feel a little bit more like, yeah, I can push the boundaries here. I can test.

• 59:10Corinne Vien?

  You say "got aliens", it reminds me of, like, Got Milk, and I was just picturing us, like, dry on the road, the, like, desolate dirt road on the way to Area 51, and there's just, like, a single billboard that says "got aliens"?

• 59:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wish.

• 59:22Corinne Vien?

  Uh, yeah, spooky. And also, Anne talking about, like, "Oh, you're not gonna trick me", like, the, the kid's voice saying "mom". I feel like for years and years, we were always like, "I wouldn't go out into the woods if I heard a baby cry" or anything like that, and I'm like, I don't know, I might, I might investigate. Like, that might be my end.

• 59:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:43Corinne Vien?

  Because I'd, realistically, I might not run just uninhibited towards the noise, but I'm taking steps forward.

• 59:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's how they get you.

• 59:51Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, yeah, local urban legends, many of them are real. They're urban legends for a reason. And actually, I even, as I was driving here this morning, I saw an email came in last night about the Jersey Devil, so I feel like we have to revisit this again. This is a topic, yeah, that a lot of people have-

• 1:00:07Corinne Vien?

  It's easy to forget that, like, urban legend that we research is also someone else's hometown.

• 1:00:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Hometown monster.

• 1:00:13Corinne Vien?

  They live there. The urban legend is two-minute drive from their house.

• 1:00:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Jersey Devil lives in your backyard, you know?

• 1:00:18Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:00:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wild. So we'll revisit this topic. So if you have stories, I mean, even if you have stories pertaining to any topic, please email them to us at [email protected]. We want to read them. We want to read all of them. Even if we've covered the topic before, we'll revisit it or find a way to include it in future episodes. You can join us on Patreon to get episodes one week early and ad-free, plus bonus content, which you can get all that stuff on, like, Apple subscriptions or the YouTube, but Patreon has a lot more. Like, you can join us live every Tuesday to share your ghost stories with us live. You get a free sticker, you get witch class, book club, and so many other things. So join us over, over there.

• 1:00:54Corinne Vien?

  Thank you to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast.

• 1:00:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And thanks to all of you.

• 1:00:58Corinne Vien?

  And we will-

• 1:00:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  -see you on the other side.

• 1:01:01Speaker 05

  Very spooky.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

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