Gwyneth Paltrow: The Ultimate Dating Roster (FBF)

Gwyneth Paltrow joins Call Her Daddy to reflect on past relationships and give the life advice we all need to hear. Gwyenth opens up about her engagement to Brad Pitt and discusses how she came to the decision that she wasn’t yet ready for marriage. Speaking of her exes, Gwyneth plays a little game called “Brad or Ben” where she determines whether Brad Pitt or Ben Affleck was the better boyfriend. Who was more romantic? Who was better in bed? Gwyneth reminisces on her love story with Chris Martin and how she ultimately knew when it was time to end the marriage. Gwynth shares the wildest place she’s had sex, why she loves vibrators and chimes in on the nepo baby debate.

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• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:17Alex Cooper?

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• 2:26Alex Cooper?

  Gwyneth Paltrow, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Thank you very much.

• 2:29Alex Cooper?

  I am so happy you're here. How is it feeling? How are the vibes?

• 2:33Speaker 04

  Vibes are A triple plus. I mean, it's gorgeous. The marble table, the colors. It's very soothing.

• 2:40Alex Cooper?

  Thank you. Cause I know you're very into like home design yourself.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:44Alex Cooper?

  How would you describe your style?

• 2:48Speaker 04

  I think I always like a traditional frame. So, you know, like walls, fixtures, floors. I like it to feel like there's some history and some provenance with it. I think I always gravitate towards a house where like the bones are more.

• 3:06Alex Cooper?

  Traditional. That's like, I always want cozy vibes. I actually designed this. The pink color in this room is the exact color that I have in my closet. And so I wanted it to feel like we were kind of at my house, but I wanted to bring a little bit of me to the studio.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 3:22Alex Cooper?

  Which is very fun.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  This actually, this, this wall color is very similar to our Goop office wall color.

• 3:27Alex Cooper?

  Right?

• 3:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:28Alex Cooper?

  Cause you don't want like a hot pink. Like I needed to get away from the hot pink. I was like, I feel like I'm a little hot topic-y. I'm a little in college still. I'm like, I have elevated a little bit, ladies. Give me some credit.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Major credit.

• 3:38Alex Cooper?

  But you need to have it like classy, but still fun. Let's talk about you though.

• 3:42Speaker 04

  Oh boy.

• 3:44Alex Cooper?

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• 4:17Alex Cooper?

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• 7:55Alex Cooper?

  You won an Academy Award at 26 years old. How did winning an Oscar at such a young age impact the way that you viewed and felt about your career?

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Well, I guess I should start by saying, like, I was so driven. Like, I was working so hard and I didn't know exactly what I was working towards. I just wanted to be successful and to be well-regarded. And I, you know, was kind of on this really fast track and it all kind of happened so quickly, which is what I think you're alluding to. And then for somebody like me who... You know, I think I was working through a lot of the harder parts of my growing up through achieving success. And once I won the Oscar, it put me into a little bit of an

• 8:51Speaker 04

  identity crisis, because if you win the biggest prize, like, what are you supposed to do? And where are you supposed to go? I also, it was hard, like, the amount of attention that you receive on a night like that in the weeks following is so disorienting and, and frankly, really unhealthy. Um, I was like, this is, this is crazy. Like, I don't know if I can, I don't know what to do. I don't know which way is, is up. And so I think it was a lot. And then I also, you know, not that I would give it back or anything, like, it was an amazing experience, but, um, it kind of called a lot of things into question for me. And then I think because I hadn't done a lot of healing work yet, I was like, well, now I need to, you know,

• 9:36Speaker 04

  what am I gonna do? Where am I gonna, how am I gonna continue to achieve?

• 9:40Alex Cooper?

  Do you mind sharing, like, when you're referencing, like, you were working towards solving things in your past?

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:46Alex Cooper?

  Do you mind sharing what you're talking about?

• 9:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. I mean, I think, you know, we all go through traumatic things in our childhood. And, you know, I think

• 9:59Speaker 04

  our parents, especially my parents' generation, they had a very different orientation around parenting. It's like, you know, Apple and her brother are like, you know, I kind of revolve around them. And, um, and, and hopefully not to their detriment. But I think it was, I grew up in a generation where there wasn't that orientation. And I think, you know, we, we moved a lot to move with my mom when she was working, which also, of course, had great things. Um, but it was, you know, it could be very, it could feel destabilizing. And I think there was, there were also, like, really high standards prescribed to me in my house. I don't even know if my parents were conscious they were doing it. But I

• 10:44Speaker 04

  always felt like I had to prove on some level that I, I was worth something, that I was lovable. Um, and not only for my parents, but I think just from the culture that I was growing up in.

• 10:57Alex Cooper?

  No, I get what you're saying. And I think that's something I've been realizing in therapy is like, Of course, we can look at how our parents fucked us up. Like, I don't think there's anyone on the planet that's like, my parents were absolutely perfect. Like, but I do think generationally, it's also important to look at, not to give them a free pass, but like, they don't have the tools that we now have. Like, therapy wasn't even a conversation. Mental health wasn't even a conversation. So even you saying like, I don't even think they were aware of the pressure they were putting on me. It, it does make sense now, especially if you are in therapy or working on yourself. Like, the past generations, to me, it's, it's very apparent as like what they were lacking and how fortunate we are now to have conversations with, like you having with your children.

• 11:42Alex Cooper?

  When you talk about having this like, almost like, crisis of like, you win this Oscar, everyone's looking at you, you're this beautiful young woman. How do you think that impacted like your self-worth at the time?

• 11:55Speaker 04

  I felt a real pivot on that night because I felt like, up until that moment, everybody was kind of rooting for me in a way. And then when I won, it was like too much, you know, and, and I could feel a real turn. And I remember, I was working in England a lot at the time. For some reason, I was doing all my movies in the UK. And I remember the British press being so horrible to me because I cried, you know, and they didn't necessarily know that, you know, my grandfather was dying of cancer. My dad, who was in the audience with me was like, had just had all this crazy cancer treatment and he was really debilitated and it was just this totally overwhelming moment. And, you know, I was 26, like I cried and people were so mean about it and

• 12:41Speaker 04

  I just thought like, wow, there's this big energy shift that's happening and I think I'm going to have to learn to be less open-hearted and much more protective of myself and filter people out better. It was like this big reckoning in a way.

• 12:55Alex Cooper?

  When I think back to the 90s, I think it's so funny that so many trends are coming back. Like, Apple just walked in and just like, mom, look, I'm wearing your shirt from the night. It's like, everything is making comebacks, but the one thing that I feel like never went out of style, and I have to say it, is Brad Pitt.

• 13:17Alex Cooper?

  I have to say it.

• 13:20Alex Cooper?

  How did you meet Brad Pitt? Because you guys were like the hottest couple. Okay? How did you meet Brad?

• 13:27Speaker 04

  I met Brad on the set of Seven. And I think I was only twenty two years old at the time. And I I had seen him in Thelma and Louise and like whatever the other movies he had been in. So obviously, everyone knew he was like the most gorgeous movie star in America. And I got this little part in Seven and I was so excited to meet him and Morgan Freeman, who I had like grown up adoring as an actor. And we we got, we sort of said hi on set and it was like major, major love at first sight. It was crazy.

• 14:07Alex Cooper?

  I just got chills. The fact that you get to be like, I had love at first sight with Brad Pitt and it was mutual. Okay, Gwyneth, no big fucking deal. So you eventually got engaged.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:20Alex Cooper?

  To Brad. How did he propose and how did you initially feel about him proposing?

• 14:26Speaker 04

  Well, we went out for, we had been going out for like, I felt like a long time and I was like, ready to get married and I was like, ready. And we were in Argentina, he was filming a movie down there. And I had gone down there for most of it and was like making dinner and, you know, hanging out with him. And one night, we were kind of on the balcony of this house we were renting in this little town in Argentina. And I I wish I remembered exactly what he said, but he proposed, it was fantastic.

• 15:00Alex Cooper?

  And were you surprised or did you know this was coming? Did you guys talk about it?

• 15:05Speaker 04

  We had talked about it, but I was surprised in the moment, I remember that.

• 15:09Alex Cooper?

  And how old were you at this point?

• 15:12Speaker 04

  I must have been twenty four.

• 15:14Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my gosh. So I know I've read that you ended the engagement with Brad because you were like, I I was too young. I was not ready to get married. And I feel like when you are in love, I don't care what age, sometimes you can be so in it that you don't see big picture. How did you realize that you were not ready to get married?

• 15:37Speaker 04

  Well, I had a lot of development left to do, looking back in hindsight, like, you know, in a lot of ways, I didn't really fully start to come into myself until I was like forty years old. And I had such a pleasing issue. Like, I, I didn't even really understand how to listen to my instincts and act from that place, like, for what was right for me. I was always trying to adjudicate, like, what's right for everybody else, you know, being the sort of thermostat in the room, like, oh, you know, it's getting a little uncomfortable, like, let me cool it down,

• 16:17Speaker 04

  like, it's getting cold, let me warm things up, and always sort of outsourcing that and not, not really giving myself, like, the dignity of being close to myself, you know, and so when I look back, you know, I, I think I was really a kid, like, really more so than a lot of twenty-two or twenty-three or twenty-four year olds I would meet now, you know, I, I really had not explored who I was, what was important to me, what my boundaries were, anything like that, and so

• 16:54Speaker 04

  I was totally heartbroken when we broke up, but it was just, you know, the right thing at that time, but it was really, it was really hard.

• 17:03Alex Cooper?

  When you say you broke up, like, did, is that how you explained it to him? Like, I'm too young, like, I can't do this?

• 17:09Speaker 04

  No, it was like, there were sort of a number of things that had happened, and also, he was nine years older than I am, I guess he's still nine years older than me, and so he was, like, far more, he knew what he wanted, he was, like, ready to do it, and I was kind of all over the place, and so it was really, like, one of those difficult things where I felt like, oh, my God, I'm not, I'm, not only am I not ready, but I'm not, like, living up to the standards again, you know, it was like a familiar refrain that I felt about myself.

• 17:40Alex Cooper?

  When you think back to that time period, like, what questions do you think people should be asking themselves if they're wondering, like, am I ready to get married? Because, like, I know there's a lot of young women listening, that it's like, oh, maybe I am, like, how will I know? Like, do you have any advice?

• 17:59Speaker 04

  I think that as women...

• 18:03Speaker 04

  We know on such a deep level, what is right for us. And so it's really just a matter of how many layers we've put on top of that. And, and I do think we're socialized as, as, as women in this country to not do that. Like, we don't tune in and really listen to ourselves. And so I would say the best thing is like to work on your friendship with yourself. The closer you are to yourself, then the more decisions you will make from that place. And that will be the right decision.

• 18:38Alex Cooper?

  Anytime I have a deep conversation with my friend, whether it was like she stayed in a relationship too long, or I was in a toxic relationship, you always kind of know.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  You know.

• 18:47Alex Cooper?

  And like, I really feel like a woman's intuition is never wrong. Like, when you're feeling something's off, a lot of the times, we're just not acting on ending something or doing something for ourselves, because there's a layer, like you said, of something prohibiting us from making that decision, whether it's like the societal issues of like, we're living in this patriarchal society. And you're like, I want to please the man, and it's been so ingrained. Like, whatever it is, usually, it's actually, you know the truth. You just have to be in tuned with yourself. That takes a lot of time, though.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Yes. And one layer of complexity I would add is that, you know, when I look back, and I think this is pretty pervasive, like, most of us are sort of replaying relationship, that dynamic out in our romantic life that we had with our most difficult parental relationship. Like, Kerry Washington said to me the other day, there's only one letter difference between parent and partner. And

• 19:49Speaker 04

  which I thought was, you know, a very succinct way of articulating it, because You know, that's something that I did for sure in my romantic relationships and and some people don't do that and you know, they're attaching in really healthy ways, but you know, those are things to keep in the back of your mind too. Like, am I trying to work something out with this person? That's really my own work. Because a lot of times that means you shouldn't be with that person. You should go do your work and then find somebody that's going to really uplift you.

• 20:22Alex Cooper?

  Because most of the time when you're in a situation with someone that you're trying to play out, like your issues with your dad or your issues with your mom, you're right. Then when you actually go do the work, you wouldn't go back to that partner. You're like, wait, no, no, that actually doesn't work for me at all. I'm interested to also know about Brad and then we're moving on. But like, actually, let's do the whole episode about Brad. Um, when you're, since you're in this Hollywood sphere of like, it's a pretty close knit group. How did you guys like move on? And like, I'm sure you saw each other at parties and like had to socialize in moments. Like, was it awkward for you? And like, do you guys, would, it's not awkward now, obviously, but like, how did you go about running into each other?

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. They always say like Hollywood is like high school with money. It's like, kind of true. Which is probably why I didn't live here for so long. Um, I remember seeing him, this is so crazy. Like, because I was so, I was like heartbroken and so upset, you know, and then I remember the first time I saw him, I was presenting at the Academy Awards, the year after I won. And I like walked out and I was like, I was so cognizant of him being there. And I was like, oh my God, this is so scary and so awkward.

• 21:38Alex Cooper?

  Because he's probably like in almost front row.

• 21:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was like right there and we hadn't talked in like a couple of years.

• 21:44Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I would be like, I'm basically giving a speech to my ex.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  I know. And I was like, I think I even fumbled my words. I was like, uh, yeah.

• 21:53Alex Cooper?

  I hope that's on YouTube, so I can go watch that after this. All of a sudden it's gonna like spike up. It's like 10 million views.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  It was like the year after I won. Yeah, it was crazy. I know. He's a great guy. He's, um, he's just, he's wonderful. I really like him a lot.

• 22:07Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, casual. Okay, another relationship you had was with Ben Affleck, which is like,

• 22:14Alex Cooper?

  I'm sitting here being like, you have the most stacked roster of any person that has ever come on Call Her Daddy, Gwyneth. I'm not kidding. I'm like, no one has sat in a chair and I'm like, Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck. I'm like, what? Tell us your tips. My actual question was this. Do you think that all of your exes have bought your vagina candle? They want to really relive the good times.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  That's what it's there for.

• 22:41Alex Cooper?

  Can you imagine someone like going into Brad Pitt's house and like, is that Gwyneth's vagina candle? What the fuck? Okay, we're gonna play a game.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 22:51Alex Cooper?

  Brad or Ben? It'll be fun. Okay.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Brad.

• 22:57Alex Cooper?

  Nope.

• 22:59Alex Cooper?

  I didn't even ask a question.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought that was the question. Brad or Ben? Okay.

• 23:04Alex Cooper?

  That's so good. Okay, okay, that's good. Okay, now, overall, it's Brad. Now.

• 23:31Alex Cooper?

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• 24:15Alex Cooper?

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• 24:37Speaker 05

  Okay, who had better style?

• 24:40Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, I'm going back, back in time now trying to assess wardrobes. Um.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Probably Brad.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Okay. Who was more romantic?

• 24:55Speaker 04

  Um, Brad.

• 24:59Speaker 05

  Like Brad, Brad. Who was more likely to make you laugh?

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Ben.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  Who were you more likely to get into an argument with?

• 25:09Speaker 04

  Ben.

• 25:11Speaker 05

  Who was more high maintenance?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Gosh, that's a really good question. I'm not sure I would characterize either of them as high maintenance. They were both like pretty.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  Tough.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  Okay, who cared more about their appearance?

• 25:25Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  I'm not sure. I feel like they're, neither of them were very vain like that, like I'm not attracted to guys who are like looking in the mirror the whole time.

• 25:40Speaker 05

  You need a little scruff, like a little like.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  A little scruff.

• 25:43Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  Although Ben did have like a mirror face that he would throw at the mirror.

• 25:48Speaker 05

  You have to do it for us, like.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  I can't really remember, but it was sort of like, you know, like a

• 25:54Speaker 04

  he had a funny mirror face. I think he was joking though.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  Okay, okay. Who was a better kisser?

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Oh my God, let me think. Gosh, I have to remember so far back. They were both good kissers.

• 26:06Speaker 05

  Okay, who was better in bed?

• 26:12Speaker 04

  That's really hard.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  That is really hard because like Brad was like the sort of major chemistry love of your life kind of like at the time, you know?

• 26:27Speaker 04

  And then like Ben was like technically excellent.

• 26:33Alex Cooper?

  Holy fuck.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  I can't believe my daughter's listening to this.

• 26:38Alex Cooper?

  Technically.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:39Alex Cooper?

  Excellent.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:40Alex Cooper?

  Holy fuck. God bless J Lo and everything she's getting over there. Oh my God, that's amazing. Okay, last question.

• 26:49Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:49Alex Cooper?

  This is really gonna cause some issues.

• 26:51Speaker 04

  Am I blushing?

• 26:52Alex Cooper?

  I am.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh.

• 26:55Alex Cooper?

  Who is the better actor?

• 26:59Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  They're both so talented. I feel like, and Ben is a great writer and director, but I guess I would probably have to say acting alone, Brad. Like, if you think of all the really different roles he's done, I mean, Ben is great, too.

• 27:24Alex Cooper?

  They're both great.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  They're both great.

• 27:26Alex Cooper?

  I mean, you've got great exes. Like, you can't really go wrong. You know what I mean?

• 27:30Speaker 04

  And those are just the ones you know about.

• 27:32Alex Cooper?

  Oh, well, we're gonna get to that. You can't tease me here, Gwyneth, and not expect. I was gonna ask. You know, we know a lot of your exes.

• 27:43Alex Cooper?

  But would you be willing to maybe drop a name of someone you've like, even had a make out with that's A-list that like, the world doesn't know about?

• 27:53Speaker 04

  I don't think I could say the name.

• 27:57Alex Cooper?

  Can you give us a name?

• 28:01Alex Cooper?

  What about a little Leo action?

• 28:03Speaker 04

  No, never made out with Leo.

• 28:05Alex Cooper?

  Never.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  He tried back in the day, but he was already like, you know, he was very.

• 28:11Alex Cooper?

  Doing his thing.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Loose with the goods, like, from when he was nineteen.

• 28:17Alex Cooper?

  What about Johnny Depp?

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Never made out with him. We did a movie together, but we did not make out.

• 28:25Alex Cooper?

  Bradley Cooper?

• 28:26Speaker 04

  No, I don't even know Bradley Cooper. I mean, I've met him, but I've never like.

• 28:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  You know.

• 28:32Alex Cooper?

  Okay, well, we're gonna have to sidebar, and you're gonna have to tell me one name that I can like, hold close to the chest.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  I'll tell you after.

• 28:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:39Alex Cooper?

  You also dated and married Chris Martin, one of the biggest musicians in the world.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 28:45Alex Cooper?

  Shout out Coldplay.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Shout him out.

• 28:47Alex Cooper?

  We are gonna do a little one last game.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:51Alex Cooper?

  Fuck, marry, kill.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  Brad Pitt.

• 28:58Speaker 05

  Ben Avlek and Chris Martin.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Well, obviously I'd marry Chris Martin because he gave me my two children who are the loves of my life. So I would do that all again.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Um.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Hmm. Wow, but Kill is so, that's such a hardcore.

• 29:22Speaker 05

  It's not actually, it's like put to the wayside.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  Fuck one more time. I think we know your answer.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  I think Brad.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Brad, yeah, yeah.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  And then Ben.

• 29:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, God bless Ben.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  God bless him.

• 29:34Speaker 05

  God bless him and his Dunkin' Donuts.

• 29:38Speaker 05

  Okay, what initially attracted you to Chris?

• 29:42Speaker 04

  So Chris and I met, it's, it's a funny story. I was a huge Coldplay fan when his first album, Parachutes, came out and I loved it. I was doing a movie in London again, as usual, and I was kind of had the TV on in the background. And he was playing, they were playing at Glastonbury and when I heard the music and I like, you know, had this very powerful reaction to it. I was like, this is incredible. And I watched their whole thing and I was like, this band is going to be huge. And no one had really heard of them in America at the time. I remember coming home and like telling everyone about this great band. And they said, you know, they're going to be playing this teeny show. I think it was maybe at the Bowery Ballroom or something. So I went with Mary, my best friend from kindergarten that I was telling you about.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  And because I was there, I, I, someone wrote in the newspaper that we were dating. We had never met. Um, and it was, I was like, what? Like, you know, he's like five years younger than me and I was like, please, I'm not like, we're not dating. I just went to this thing and we thought, and then, but they kept writing it all summer, all summer, all summer. And then that fall, my dad died unfortunately in sort of a surprising way.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  And my brother and I were listening to that Parachutes record, I mean, not Parachutes, uh, Rush of Blood to the Head, all the time, all the time. And I remember I had called Mary and I said, like, I need you to get, I need you to come to London. Like, I, I can't breathe without my dad. I don't know what, you know, to do. And so she came over and then someone reminded me, we had had tickets to go see Coldplay that night, but from, you know, months before my dad died and I was like, I can't go. And she was like, Gwinnie, like, please, we can't, like, we have to get you out of the house and get some air, even if it's just for, and it was really hard for her too, because my dad was like her dad.

• 31:28Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  And she's like, you've got to stop smoking cigarettes. We've got to get out of here. And I was like, okay. And so we went and because they had been writing that we were boyfriend and girlfriend, you know, his, his assistant, Vicky, who we still love to this day, she was like, she came and said, like, oh, hi, this is so crazy. You want to go meet your boyfriend, you know, after the show? So we went backstage and, um, we met and he was just so sweet and like, I met him when he was like 25 and I had just turned 30. And he was like Tigger the Tiger, you know, bouncing around and I really didn't even think we would go out,

• 32:08Speaker 04

  but I don't know, he called me and asked me to come to Ireland to see him and go to a show. And I was so depressed. So my, and I remember my other friend, Henrietta, at this time saying, you know, she was like, I said, this is crazy. This kid from Coldplay asked me to go, you know, see his concert and like, this is nuts. Like, I'm not going. And she's like, yeah, you've got to go. This is the first time you've smiled since your dad died.

• 32:38Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  So I went.

• 32:41Alex Cooper?

  How was your relationship with Chris different from all of your like previous relationships?

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Well, you know, there was just something, I don't know. I think there are certain things that kind of have felt preordained in my life and like my, my children feel like to me, like the whole reason I'm on this earth. And so when I met him, there was a very deep thing there and I couldn't quite put my finger on it because it felt very different than my other relationships.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  And it's not so much that the relationship itself um turned out to be like healthier than my other relationships. It's just that I think I had this deep calling on some level. I knew he was gonna be the father of my kids, maybe, or something.

• 33:30Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my god.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  It was very, it was a very strong feeling.

• 33:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. I'm interested to know, too, like, you know, you mentioned that right before you kind of met Chris, like, a few weeks prior, your dad had passed.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, three weeks before.

• 33:44Alex Cooper?

  How did that impact, do you think, like, the early days of your relationship?

• 33:49Speaker 04

  I mean, I was broken. I was, my father was, you know, like, I, I just adored him. And he was like, you know, my, my teacher, my rabbi, that he was like, the comedian, he was like, so unconditionally loving. And he was the center of all of our, my whole family kind of centered on him. So when he died, you know, I was completely, like, decimated. Um, and so I was very raw and very open, you know, didn't totally have my, like, I couldn't see straight, like, I was in full, full grief. I don't, I don't know how Chris kind of, like, dealt with me through that time.

• 34:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, cuz I'm interested, like, I think loss is, there's no way to describe, like, how you're gonna grieve. And thinking about, like, meeting Chris, falling in love, while also, like, deeply grieving.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:44Alex Cooper?

  Those are, like, very opposite emotional headspaces to be in. And when you look back, do you think that affected your perception of, like, of the relationship at all?

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Probably. I don't see how it couldn't have. Like, I was so altered and so destroyed. I, I, I can't imagine it didn't, you know? And I can't imagine that I didn't project, like, hope and safety and future, you know, onto him, because I was in such a bad state.

• 35:17Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. So, we talked about how you were engaged at one point to shout out Brad. And then you eventually, who doesn't love Brad? You love Brad. We all love Brad. Um, I love, I was like, Brad or Ben. This is about to be a game. You're like, Brad. I'm like, wait, I didn't play the game. We all love Brad. Shout out Brad. You know, we love you. So you got engaged and you said you weren't ready to be married.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 35:42Alex Cooper?

  You marry Chris. How did you know when it was time to end a marriage and to move on with your life?

• 35:50Speaker 04

  Well, it was interesting because again, like being so driven by this like feeling of the impending children like I I got pregnant really quickly and had our kids like in pretty quick succession. And so then you're sort of thrown into like I was like in grief and then I I had Apple and then I had Moses and and then I think you just

• 36:19Speaker 04

  you just try to make it work, especially

• 36:23Speaker 04

  for me, you know, I don't like barely, I think we have one, you know, barely any divorce in our family. All of my best friends from, you know, elementary school, high school. They're all married to like their college sweetheart, like no one, I wasn't around to like, I just felt like it was such a failure. And and even contemplating us not being together and I I was so worried about it for the kids and for what it said about me and it was so hard. And then you know, I I really wanted something very different to what he wanted and and I felt very

• 37:06Speaker 04

  kind of lonely in the marriage in a lot of ways and and I just finally got to the point where I thought like, you know, I need to I need to listen to myself. And so, you know, it wasn't until right after I turn, you know, it was a kind of around, it was sort of like around 38 that I started to

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Sense that the marriage wasn't gonna last and then I tried really hard for another couple of years, but you know, I say this all the time because it's true. You get this software upgrade when you turn forty, like you just get an upgrade, like you wake up and your software is fucking upgraded and you're like, wow, this is bizarre. Like, I don't care what anybody thinks of me. Like, I like myself. Like, you click into this thing and that happens again when you're fifty, by the way. And it's so, it's so, it feels like you feel whole and

• 38:11Speaker 04

  I just realized like I, I need to not be in this. I need, I need something else and it's okay if I'm alone and it's okay if I disappoint people and it's okay if I never find anyone again, all the things that you're so worried about, you know, when you're contemplating divorce and I, I chose myself.

• 38:32Alex Cooper?

  I love that and thank you for sharing because I, I don't even, like, no matter where you're at in your life, I do feel like it kind of goes back to what you said of like, we know when we're not happy, when we're not feeling it, when it's not right anymore. It doesn't mean it wasn't right.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:46Alex Cooper?

  But like, we keep growing and we keep evolving as individuals and naturally, sometimes that means you're gonna outgrow a partner or you're going to outgrow something that you initially were attracted to. And I think that's okay. And I think especially as women, it's like a very negative feeling and shameful feeling you have on yourself if it's you, the one that's having those feelings. Because I feel like we always learned like, men will leave and men will do this, but if it's you, like, it has been a pretty like new concept that like, oh my god, you can leave a marriage. Like, you can stand up for yourself. You can have a voice. So I appreciate you sharing that because it is in some way inspirational to just know, like, you have these incredible children, you had, you know, a healthy marriage at one point and

• 39:30Alex Cooper?

  then it's like, and then it's time to move on and that's okay.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  It is okay. It is okay. And it's like not what you want and it's not, when you get married, it's not what you hope for, but it's okay if it's not the right thing anymore, you know? And for me, it really then became about, is it possible to stay a family with this person that I really love and? I I wanted to minimize the impact on our children, which of course they're impacted and divorce is terrible. And I know it was really hard on them and but I wanted it to be as least, you know, like I wanted to try to figure out a way that Chris and I could stay like real family, which we have.

• 40:16Alex Cooper?

  The last question I have on that is like, has it gotten easier to co-parent? Like in the beginning, I I can imagine it's like any family feels it like it's a little rocky or like trying to get your footing.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:28Alex Cooper?

  And then eventually does it get to a place where like it does feel more cohesive?

• 40:32Speaker 04

  If you work on it, like you really have to work at it and

• 40:38Speaker 04

  I think you have to choose every day to remember the good in the person, why you love them, you know, hold them with a lot of love and respect and cultivate that, especially on days that you don't feel that because you feel, you know, wronged or angry or whatever it is, you know? And um, and so it became a practice for me to remember all the ways in which, you know, Chris was a blessing in my life and, you know, and like there are just things about him that are so fantastic and he's so funny and he's so talented and he's goofy and we all laugh a lot.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  And so I tried to really focus on those things and then also use the opportunity to focus on my side of the street and what I had not done well and what I could learn and, you know, the ways in which I hurt him and the ways, you know, so it was a, it was a big, I think, you know, it's probably best said like, I really milked the opportunity. I didn't, you know, it's like a divorce is, it sounds weird to say it's an opportunity, but I really wanted to learn as much as possible and I wanted to grow as much as I possibly could out of it.

• 41:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I kind of feel like a theme today is just like. Knowing what's best for yourself.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:01Alex Cooper?

  And you played a vital role in starting the Me Too movement and you were very open about your experience. How did you decide to come forward and talk about everything?

• 42:16Speaker 04

  It was scary because, you know, I had grown up watching the women who had spoken out, be reviled, rejected, you know, pilloried in the town square.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  And I had never seen a model where a woman could speak out and there would be repercussions that weren't, were on the man and not on the woman.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  And so this was a story that, you know, everybody, it was like this, the worst kept secret.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Not that Harvey Weinstein was raping people, but you know, that he was sort of crossing boundaries and trying stuff on. And we all kind of knew that was happening. And like my story had happened to 10 of my friends, you know?

• 43:08Speaker 04

  But when I had learned the full extent of what he had done through my cooperation with the New York Times and talking to Jodi and Megan, who are two incredible women, incredible investigative journalists, I just thought, you know, this is, this has got to stop. And I felt like if maybe there was a chance it could impact the workplace for my daughter and her friends, like I felt really obligated to say something.

• 43:54Alex Cooper?

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• 45:22Alex Cooper?

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• 46:05Alex Cooper?

  Like, how do you talk to, I guess, both of your kids about like dating and sex and relationships?

• 46:11Speaker 04

  I mean, I think you have to tread lightly and let them come to you. I remember my kids both went to this fantastic elementary school here in Los Angeles once we moved from London. And they taught them sex ed in sixth grade, which...

• 46:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, okay, I just, but I really was not prepared with the information that they came home with.

• 46:38Alex Cooper?

  What did they say?

• 46:39Speaker 04

  I will never forget Apple and her best friend Emily, sitting at our kitchen banquet. In shock, like color drained from their face. They taught them everything, everything, anything you're thinking, they taught like the 11, 12 year olds. Told them everything.

• 47:03Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 47:04Speaker 04

  I swear.

• 47:05Alex Cooper?

  And what are they saying to you? Like, uh, mom?

• 47:07Speaker 04

  They're like, do people do this?

• 47:13Alex Cooper?

  You're like, you know what? One day you'll hear a little bit more of this on Call Her Daddy, Apple.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 47:18Alex Cooper?

  It will be in a more appropriate time.

• 47:20Speaker 04

  That's what I was gonna say, then you took over. So I didn't have to tell her anything.

• 47:24Alex Cooper?

  Holy shit. So I'm in Hawaii and I'm walking to the elevator with my boyfriend. We're staying at a resort. And I see this girl sprinting down the hallway with a bag. And I'm like, what is going on? I think she's beelining it to me. It is a fan of mine. And she hands me a goop bag. And there was, there's like a goop store in this Hawaii resort.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  The Monalani.

• 47:48Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm. Shout out. So I'm like, oh, thank you. She's like, I love you. Like, you've taught me so much. Like, I want you to enjoy your vacation and winks at me. So I go upstairs and I open it and it's a beautiful vibrator. And I was like, oh my God, this is incredible. And then immediately I'm like, thanks to Gwyneth, like, because I hadn't brought a vibrator on this trip. And it was used and it was used again. It was great. It was a great time. It was a great time.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  I thought you were gonna say, I thought you just said like, meaning you opened the box and it was used and I just died.

• 48:19Alex Cooper?

  And this vibrator was fully used. Fuck you. No, no, I used it on my trip. It was phenomenal. And so I'm curious to know, cause I, I'm a big advocate for toys and vibrators, especially for women. We have like, obviously a harder time getting off. When is the first time you used a vibrator?

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Wow, um, probably when Sex and the City came out and you know Samantha was talking about like everyone, I remember like you would go to a bridal shower and like there all of a sudden there were vibrators like as party favors and

• 48:52Alex Cooper?

  It's almost like they stopped being party favors and they need to be again because I remember in college being like, I think I need one. This is disgusting. Well, it's not. I started to use the back of my electric toothbrush because I didn't know where to get a vibrator at the time, Glenneth. Yeah, thanks to Goop. Now we know where to go. But at the time, it was like, I'll get a new toothbrush in the morning. Like this is desperate times calls for desperate measures. And there I was with a good old back of the toothbrush. I didn't use it in the morning, everyone. Don't come for me. Why do you think women are so intimidated though by vibrators?

• 49:28Speaker 04

  Well, you know, this is a very, this, this could be like a very long discussion. I mean, there's such systemic shame for women historically around pleasure. And we are, to your point, we do live in a patriarchal society. The paradigms aren't there for female pleasure. And so we've been taught to be like ashamed of it, not ask for things, not ask, not say like this feels good or this doesn't feel good. And this is why at Goop, we have really kind of indexed into this area because I really feel like it holds us back so much. It's this

• 50:11Speaker 04

  one area where, and look, I like, I'm still not comfortable talking about like this is inculcated in for decades. Like it's, and I'm so happy when I see it changing in your generation and apples like, and this sort of freedom around the idea that women deserve pleasure. It makes me so happy to see that, but it has not always been that way.

• 50:33Alex Cooper?

  You're so right. The shame comes from obviously as women. It's never been celebrated to like pleasure yourself. You hear about like men or boys when you're younger. It's like, oh, he's just touching himself. Oh, girl. It's like, stop doing that. Like it's wrong. Just do it secretly. So now I love though, I agree that like, it can be cute and fun and clean and not scary and veiny and too large that you're like, that's bigger than my thigh.

• 51:00Alex Cooper?

  So no, I really appreciate that you have what you've done because now I have my little baby purple little like bullet vibrator and it I use it all the time. I don't know if that freaks you out, but.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Not at all. Not in the slightest.

• 51:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay, Gwyneth, what is the craziest place that you've had sex?

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Um, I mean, I've never, I don't know. I've been famous for so long that like, you know, I think, well, I think one time back in the day, I did it in the, in an airplane bathroom on an overnight flight to Paris.

• 51:36Alex Cooper?

  Would you, would you drop the name of who it was with?

• 51:38Speaker 04

  It wasn't anyone famous.

• 51:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  Isn't that terrible?

• 51:43Alex Cooper?

  It's amazing. No, I'm like, I want the tea. I'm like, oh, that won't make headlines. No, I'm just kidding. No, that's great. Okay. So you were, when you were famous, you were having sex with normal men?

• 51:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:53Alex Cooper?

  You're, you're a woman of the people.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  I was. Yeah, of course.

• 51:57Alex Cooper?

  How would you meet normal guys though? And like not be freaked out?

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Well, well, that's a good point. I mean, you know, do you know, like I missed the whole dating app thing and all of that? Like I totally missed that. Um, like one normal guy I dated when I was famous was, you know, friends with my friends growing up in New York, like that kind of thing. There were, I think I dated like one or two.

• 52:23Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna tell us who that other A-lister is at some point by the end of this interview. Okay. You started a wellness brand, but you did this before it was cool to like start a wellness brand. How did you come up with the concept of Goop?

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Well, I think kind of circling back to where we started, by the time I had Apple, I felt like I really needed a break from acting. I had worked like nonstop for years and years and years, running, running, running. And I had her and um,

• 53:02Speaker 04

  And I had like, one of these moments in life and um, you know, we had like a really crazy birth. It was very dramatic and I kind of at some point passed out after having a seizure. Anyway, I woke up and I opened my eyes and these like giant blue eyes were looking right at me. We were like this and I was like, this is, this is it. This is it. And Drew Barrymore actually said this to me the best where she said when she looked into her daughter Olive's eyes.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Um, she had the same thing and then she said to Olive later, I was born the day you were born. It always makes me cry because it's true, but that's how I felt and like I didn't, I, I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna, I don't want to leave this baby. I don't want to go back to work and luckily I was in a position where I could take some time off with so many women in this country cannot do. And in Scandinavia, they do it and places like that, but we are not good at that. So I was very fortunate and the longer I didn't work, the more I started to call into question like,

• 54:22Speaker 04

  wait, was I doing that because I really loved it? Was it like, and I gave myself the space to kind of contemplate. If I wanted to go back or not, ended up not doing a movie for like three years. I had my son. Um, and then I went back a little bit to do like smaller parts and Iron Man and stuff like that. Uh, but I actually never starred in a movie again since I was pregnant with Apple. Like we were in my last starring role together and then I did something which I think I would really encourage women to do, which is at some point, stop and say like, am I where, am I where I'm supposed to be?

• 55:05Speaker 04

  Am I doing what I love? Am I spending my life feeling fulfilled and?

• 55:12Speaker 04

  Am I brave enough to give myself permission to do something different if I want to? And I knew that if I started a company, I would take a lot of shit for it. And people would be like, what is she doing? And there was no model for this, except for the great Jane Fonda, who had, you know, done her fitness business, but also took a ton of shit for that at the time. They called into question like her seriousness as an actress. Like, everybody likes us in one little box, you know? But I was really interested in this other space, which was really essentially like connecting people to great things that would make their lives better. And I was, I had always been that person for my friends. Like, what temperature do I roast a chicken at? Like, where can I get a bikini wax in Paris?

• 55:57Speaker 04

  Like, you know, and I thought, God, you know, I love answering these questions so much. I love doing the research. I love figuring it out. Like, maybe I could do this as a job. And so it percolated for a long, long, long, long time. And I got a lot of advice from different people. And that's when I thought, okay, I'll, I'll just start it as a newsletter and then we'll see how it goes. And it was unmonetized. It was just, you know, I just was sending content out. And it stayed like that for probably five years until I had the guts to start to think around monetization and, and what I would do.

• 56:34Alex Cooper?

  It's amazing to hear you also explain it because I, I agree with you. Like when you immediately said Jane Fonda, as you were talking, I was thinking about Jane Fonda because I'm like, it's so crazy that as you're trying to put something together that had never been done, your first reaction, even though like you knew you wanted to do it, you, we immediately think like, oh my God, everyone's gonna shit on me. Like, they want me to just be, just be an actress. Like, just stay in your lane.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 57:00Alex Cooper?

  And it's so detrimental because that's so not the only thing that you are talented with and that also that you're interested in. And so I love the story because it shows full circle of you putting into action an idea you had and then obviously creating something so much bigger that also is so helpful to so many women, including myself. What is one Goop product that you wish you had in your twenties that now you're suggesting to Apple and her friends, like you need this?

• 57:32Speaker 04

  This is real because when I was in my twenties, I lay in the sun with baby oil on my face. I never use sunscreen. Believe me, I'm paying that price now.

• 57:44Alex Cooper?

  You're great.

• 57:45Speaker 04

  Thank you. I'll give you my surgeons.

• 57:47Alex Cooper?

  Please.

• 57:51Alex Cooper?

  But actually, please.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  So I wish that I had taken greater care of my skin earlier. And what's so great now is that we've come so far with product development and because clean beauty is a huge thing for me. Like, obviously, that's why, one of the main reasons we started Goop. I was appalled at the levels of toxicity in beauty products that are largely unregulated. We put all over our skin. They're transdermally absorbed. They mess with our endocrine systems. There's like real toxicity levels and a lot of stuff that we think is safe and that just drives me crazy.

• 58:30Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 04

  So I saw a real white space, you know, to create these products. And, um, and anyway, like for the women out there now, like, look, I would recommend. I mean, we have this new eye cream that's coming out right now. That's so incredible. And it's like packed full of vitamin C and it's got caffeine and niacinamide and it works so well. And it's very preventative as well. So I can use it for my crow's feet and my dark circles. And Apple can use it preventatively.

• 59:03Alex Cooper?

  I love it. I need it.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  We brought you one.

• 59:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh, thank you. Thank you. You recently also launched the Goop sex Instagram channel.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 59:10Alex Cooper?

  What's a conversation that you're looking forward to having on that page?

• 59:15Speaker 04

  Well, again, like just to sort of traverse back over what we were saying. It's so important for women to have places that they can, you know, and resources. And like, that's why what you do is so fantastic. In terms of destigmatization, creating a space where women can explore these questions and these feelings and like the normalization, it's really beautiful and I'm so glad that you do what you do.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  And we, we really felt like, you know, there's more to explore here in terms of questions people have, products, et cetera. So we thought we'd make a dedicated page. You know, I learned from the Goop sex page, like, I'm like, wow, what, what is this?

• 1:00:01Alex Cooper?

  I love that. One of my last questions is, I was just thinking about this for a second, like, what do you think is a misconception about you?

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Oh, I think there are probably a few.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  I think like, maybe not as much anymore, but I think like there was a misconception like that I, that me and Goop, that we together were like wacky or, you know, like dealing in pseudoscience, which is such bullshit. And like, we're actually so rigorous around like what we're talking about. And, and sometimes we talk about really cutting edge things, but we really label the content as that. So we're not saying this is fact. We're saying like, this is an emerging theory or something. So I think that's a way to keep also the power of the brand down, right? So it's like, if you're threatening the status quo, like people used to throw that at us a lot.

• 1:01:03Alex Cooper?

  What about personally?

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  I think I can maybe come off or look quite cold, maybe, or like, unapproachable, I've heard, but I think I'm really opposite to that. Like, I do think, I'm so curious about people and I think I'm warm, but.

• 1:01:20Alex Cooper?

  When you walked into my house, I was like, oh my gosh, hi. We like hugged and I was like, I felt like a part of the family when Apple walked in. I'm like, oh, we're all going to hang. Like you, yeah, I can dispel that rumor now. I have a gift for you.

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:01:35Alex Cooper?

  Well, it's kind of a, yeah, I'm gonna give it to you.

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  It's Brad Pitt, guys.

• 1:01:39Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no. I saw a comment you made. Okay, wait, I saw a comment you made on the internet.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:01:45Alex Cooper?

  And I wanted to gift you that.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  What did I say?

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  Oh my God. I always, you know, me and my internet comments.

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  Oh, this is so good.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  I hope you got one for Apple, too.

• 1:02:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God, I should.

• 1:02:08Alex Cooper?

  Love it. I saw your comment on Haley.

• 1:02:11Speaker 05

  This is so good. I'm gonna wear this loud and proud.

• 1:02:16Alex Cooper?

  I truly love it. No, Gwyneth, thank you so much for coming on. This was truly so fun. It wasn't, it wasn't too aggressive, right?

• 1:02:23Speaker 05

  Not at all. It was, you had a good time. I'll check in with her and see what Apple has to say about it.

• 1:02:28Alex Cooper?

  Apple, we're gonna walk in is like this.

• 1:02:31Alex Cooper?

  No, seriously, thank you for coming on. This was so fun.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:02:34Alex Cooper?

  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 1:02:35Speaker 05

  Thank you so much. That was really fun.

• 1:02:37Alex Cooper?

  That was so fun. I'm dying laughing. You are comedy.

• 1:02:50Alex Cooper?

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