Reneé Rapp: At Least I'm Hot

Join Alex in the studio for a conversation with Reneé Rapp. Reneé gushes about her girlfriend, shits on straight men and sends some wild texts to celebrities. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:18Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:26Alex Cooper?

  Renee Rapp, welcome back to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:30Alex Cooper?

  It has been 582 days since you last sat with me on the show.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  Has it actually?

• 2:35Alex Cooper?

  I had someone else do the math, so like.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 2:37Alex Cooper?

  But I think it's important to highlight.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  No, I believe it.

• 2:40Alex Cooper?

  582 days since I last saw you, right?

• 2:43Speaker 03

  I know. I haven't seen you since then.

• 2:45Alex Cooper?

  That's so inappropriate.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  I just wa- I just watch you through the internet.

• 2:47Alex Cooper?

  Me too. I'm just like, go, girl, go.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  No, I'm like, you're getting married, so am I. I'm like, this is awesome.

• 2:53Alex Cooper?

  I was getting married, but I think while you were going through a breakup, maybe.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, needed that.

• 2:56Alex Cooper?

  Perfect.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  Needed, needed. I was like, things are gonna work out, right?

• 3:00Alex Cooper?

  Nope. Um, how would you describe that version of yourself back then in three words?

• 3:06Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, I was so eager. I was so eager. I was so, um.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  I really, really, really wanted every- okay, this is not three words. I really wanted everyone to like me so badly. Um, and I also was just, I think I was just so green. I was so green. It was, I just like, was like, I think what people had perceived of me like not caring or not giving a fuck was actually just me being so absolutely thrilled. And I was like, ah, everything is amazing. This is awesome. And then like reality kind of sets in and you're like, wait, this shit kind of sucks. You're like, wait, life kind of hits you in the ass.

• 3:52Alex Cooper?

  Dude, it's crazy even hearing you say that because I remember our interview. Like, I felt your excitement, but I also could feel you understandably going through that hard moment where you're like, I want to be taken seriously as a singer. But everyone knows me as a fucking actress. And like, how do I bridge this gap? And so it was like this energy that you were trying to shift, which is fucking hard to do.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  So hard. And also like, I, I think there's, which you will understand this 100%. There's such an adjustment to, what a pick me thing to say, but there's such an adjustment to like having cameras on, on you in your conversations and in your like personal life in a way. It just like, it just inherently is an adjustment. Like, um.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  You don't, cuz you, I don't know, may, may, I don't know, you tell me how you feel about this. But I was like, I am truly just doing what I would be doing and talking how I would be talking, except for being filmed or doing something or putting it out there, putting it in a song, putting it in whatever.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  And then to like, see it back is really kind of confusing cuz then you start to perceive yourself in a way that like, other people perceive you, however, you'll never be able to see yourself how other people see you.

• 5:12Alex Cooper?

  I

• 5:12Speaker 03

  You know?

• 5:13Alex Cooper?

  I relate 100%. Cuz this isn't natural.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 5:17Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna talk differently understandably if we're at my fucking house with no cameras on.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Completely.

• 5:22Alex Cooper?

  Not that we're being fake, it's just different.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  No, I'm just like, I'm getting canceled if we're talking without cameras on, do you know what I'm saying?

• 5:28Alex Cooper?

  100%. How much media training have you gotten since I last saw you?

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Bro, none. I feel like, I feel like people have tried, I feel like it's, it's, you know, I had, I will never forget when I lived in my first house that I lived in in LA. I lived in Burbank and I was like, oh my God, I have like a home, I was, I was renting, but it was like a, it felt like my home, which like it is, but I'd only lived in an apartment. So I was like, oh my God, I'm like a homeowner. And I was, and I was like, I was sat on the phone with like a, a publicist from,

• 6:09Speaker 03

  maybe the PR company I was working with at the time, I honestly don't remember. And I remember like, understanding that they were trying to kind of coach me into like, what to say and what not to say, and it was kinda like, the second I realized it, I like, totally just like, tapped out and I was like, oh, I'm really uninterested in hearing this. Not that they were doing anything wrong or their intentions was, were wrong, I was just like...

• 6:38Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna regurgitate what you just said to me.

• 6:41Alex Cooper?

  But I feel like that's like a lot of times the turning point for artists, which is not their fault, but you get all these people in your ear and then you're like, oh, is this what it takes to make it? Like, is this the steps I need to take in order to be liked and in order to become like one of the biggest stars in the world? And the fact that that moment, probably one of the biggest first moments where people were trying to shape you into this, the person you're like, no, so no.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  I was just like, wait, like, I, I understand, but that's not what I will be doing.

• 7:11Alex Cooper?

  But I think that's why people are loving you, because you're very unfiltered. Um, you talk about how you like dress kind of according to how gay you're feeling.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 7:18Alex Cooper?

  Talk to me about how you picked this outfit.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Um, today, this outfit is coming from probably like a six and a half, I would say, on a scale of zero to gay. And I don't know, I like, I really, recently I've been wearing heels. I used to never wear heels and now I love a heel. Now I'm like, give me some fucking height. I don't know.

• 7:39Alex Cooper?

  We get an email and your team is like, we have like 10 plus people we're gonna bring.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:43Alex Cooper?

  Classic Renee entourage.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 7:45Alex Cooper?

  When and where is last time you went somewhere alone?

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Okay, I was, you have to go here alone.

• 7:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  Well, I didn't go alone. I rode in the car with people, but then I had to go alone.

• 8:03Alex Cooper?

  Where?

• 8:03Speaker 03

  The last thing was the Academy Gala and I was so fucking freaked out because it was like, I am literally going to split myself vagina to tip of head. I was like, this is gonna be so terrible, but I made it. And I was like stood like in the like carpet line and everybody of course is like chit chatting and I was like, oh my God, I'm just gonna end it all right now. This is just the worst. And then I just spent the whole time on the phone because I was way too anxious and I, I got nervous, you know? I think people perceive me as being very confident and hanging out and like can talk to anybody, literally not at all. I'm like shaking like a horn church.

• 8:41Alex Cooper?

  And that's the last time you ever went anywhere alone ever again in your life. That's when Regina George died.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  No, and that's when Regina George died. I like, I, it's so, it's like, it was the only thing I could talk about for the first like fucking 45 minutes being inside. Like, I swear to God, I, like, every single person that I saw, I was like... Oh my God, like, how are you? I had to come here by myself. And they're like, yeah, so did I. And I was like, woo, you okay? And they're like, yeah, like, it's definitely weird, but like, I'm okay. They're like, it's like an hour ago at this point. And I was like, yeah, no, totally. I'm over it.

• 9:14Alex Cooper?

  You get home, you're sobbing.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  No, I'm like, having a fucking panic attack.

• 9:17Alex Cooper?

  You're shaking.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  No amount of a beta blocker could have prepared me for that.

• 9:21Alex Cooper?

  Nothing. Okay. Do you remember who you brought to the studio two years ago?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  I brought, I brought, I brought a girlfriend of mine two years ago.

• 9:31Alex Cooper?

  And when I was thinking about it,

• 9:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:33Alex Cooper?

  I'm pretty sure there was like, you were not publicly out fully yet with her. And people saw her in the back of some of our videos we took together.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:43Alex Cooper?

  And it was like a light soft launch where people were like, wait, it's definitely her with her. Like, oh my gosh, they're definitely together.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Yes, they, yes.

• 9:50Alex Cooper?

  And it was so crazy because like, seeing you basically two years later, that moment, I remember how like, giddy and love you were. Sorry, is your girlfriend like in the green room?

• 10:01Speaker 03

  No, she's, she's,

• 10:02Alex Cooper?

  What second we're getting to you?

• 10:04Speaker 03

  She's got a sprained ankle at home.

• 10:05Alex Cooper?

  Perfect.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  She's a mobile, actually. I hid her crutches, so she won't be leaving the house.

• 10:09Alex Cooper?

  You're like, you're not leaving? Sit down, especially if you're not coming to call her daddy.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, hang on.

• 10:14Alex Cooper?

  I remember you were like giddy and in love, and it was like the beginning stages.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 10:18Alex Cooper?

  Puppy love. It was very cute.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 10:21Alex Cooper?

  Talk to me about what happened.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  I

• 10:25Speaker 03

  ended up, after that kind of year of my life, just being like, I am really unhappy. And I think that, first of all, I do believe that everything serves its purpose.

• 10:42Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  I like, fully believe every relationship, every friendship, every, like, I'm a big, like, everything happens for a reason. All good. I think that there were like, a lot of people in my life, particularly in that year. And I think also kind of when you're like, coming up and starting to like, be, you know, perceived by larger amounts of people, do more things that, you know, is exciting, your job can kind of become, you will understand this deeply, your job becomes a playground to everybody else. And for you, it's your work. And don't get me wrong, there are parts of it that are so fucking exciting, and we're so fortunate to work in something that can be like, so jokes and so fucking fun.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  But my whole life kind of became a playground for a lot of people. And I stopped seeing my friends. I stopped, I stopped having fun. I stopped having fun and I was like, damn.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  I have to make like a lot of like massive life changes. And so fall of

• 11:49Speaker 03

  almost fall of 2023, like really late summer. I started to like, I crashed out and I was like, yo, I have to be bounded in some way in my life. Like I have to start protecting myself from being used. I have to start protecting myself from like overexposing myself. I have to stop like letting people bring their friends, aunts, best friends, like side fucking bitch to the concert. Like, why am I doing that? Like, I, I, I was just like, damn, like, I, I just realized that I became a jungle gym for everybody to have fun. And that is so isolating and sad. It sucked.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  It sucked so bad.

• 12:36Alex Cooper?

  And did you break up with them or did they break up with you?

• 12:41Speaker 03

  It was like pretty amicable. It was pretty amicable.

• 12:44Alex Cooper?

  So is this not the relationship that you wrote about in this new album, Miss Renee?

• 12:48Speaker 03

  It is, but it's on certain, only on certain songs. This album is like a conglomerate of my current relationship, my past relationship, the relationship that I was in before that, that I don't even know if you could consider a relationship about, um, like some of my friends. It's like, I was, we were talking about this the other day and I was like going through it and I was like, wow, like there are so many different people, or I guess experiences on this album that are even like half and half put together in some songs. No matter how like shit that relationship was, um, I remember just being like, damn, that's a place I never want to get to again.

• 13:48Alex Cooper?

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• 16:09Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 16:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:10Alex Cooper?

  Let's put how much you can filter yourself to the test.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Okay, go.

• 16:14Alex Cooper?

  This game is called Confess or Text.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:18Alex Cooper?

  This is how it works.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:19Alex Cooper?

  I'm gonna ask you a juicy, borderline inappropriate, like slightly like insane question.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:26Alex Cooper?

  Okay, just like a little like, you know, call her daddy.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Totally fine.

• 16:29Alex Cooper?

  If you want to answer it, great, we go to the next question.

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:31Alex Cooper?

  If you don't want to answer it, you can pass and you have to text.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  Oh my god, wait, thank you both.

• 16:37Alex Cooper?

  Don't go in the bowls yet.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Oh, don't touch them, okay.

• 16:39Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you're already about to start going through.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  I was like, wait.

• 16:41Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no, no. You're like, is that candy?

• 16:43Speaker 03

  No, I'm like, it's my fishbowl, yeah.

• 16:44Alex Cooper?

  So if you say, no, I don't want to answer that.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:47Alex Cooper?

  You then have to go into the bowls and you're gonna text someone. One, you're gonna find out who you're texting.

• 16:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:53Alex Cooper?

  The second bowl, you're gonna find out what you're texting them.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:56Alex Cooper?

  What is your weirdest kink?

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Ice.

• 16:58Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Ice.

• 17:00Alex Cooper?

  Ice.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Like ice.

• 17:02Alex Cooper?

  Are you running to the kitchen grabbing ice?

• 17:04Speaker 03

  Fuck yeah.

• 17:05Alex Cooper?

  Perfect.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 17:06Alex Cooper?

  Who is the rudest person you've ever met at an award show?

• 17:09Speaker 03

  Oh my god, I'm gonna text. Oh, I just remembered. Okay, who do I text?

• 17:14Alex Cooper?

  Wait, go to your fishbowl.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:17Alex Cooper?

  What is that?

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Okay, it's Tina Fey. I have to text Tina.

• 17:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay, and now go to the other fishbowl.

• 17:22Speaker 03

  She's actually gonna love this. I know she's gonna love this. I know she'll love it.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  Okay. I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and I just drove off. Do you think it's fine?

• 17:34Alex Cooper?

  I think that's good for Tina, right?

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Love, I feel like she'll love that. I'm gonna say, hey babe, question. I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and just drove off. Do you think it's fine? Or what do you think I should do? I trust you.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  She's gonna be like, what's your problem?

• 17:52Alex Cooper?

  Perfect. Okay, so we'll leave that there for Tina. Okay, next question.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:56Alex Cooper?

  What is the worst thought that you've ever had during sex?

• 18:00Speaker 03

  Oh my god, why are you ugly?

• 18:05Speaker 03

  You know, when you get too close to someone's face and you're realizing that you're so uninterested? And you're like, whoa, you just got ugly?

• 18:14Alex Cooper?

  I was thinking like the, my answer is probably like, I don't want to be here.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Of cour- uh, naturally. Naturally. I mean, I spent years of my life having sex with men, so that is not foreign to me. Um, or like, why do you have that? Like, what is that?

• 18:28Alex Cooper?

  Get nothing away from me.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Literally get that, if that looks me in the fucking eye one more time, I'm going to shoot you.

• 18:35Alex Cooper?

  Which celebrity has tried to flirt with you that was clearly in a relationship?

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm gonna text.

• 18:43Alex Cooper?

  About fucking face?

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Woo, I'm gonna text, I'm gonna text. Okay. All right, this is Cara. I have to text Cara something.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  Wait, that's so funny. Okay. Okay, I have to text Cara. By the way, a new song on my album is about you, dot, dot, dot. And I was ju- okay, she'll love this. Okay, this is gonna be so hilarious, because my last text to Cara was, I literally hate being alive. I'm so mad all the time and so sad. I hate being around people. Are you doing okay? I feel so depressed.

• 19:14Alex Cooper?

  Did she answer?

• 19:15Speaker 03

  She sent me a slew of the most-

• 19:16Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I thought she left you unread. I was like, holy-

• 19:18Speaker 03

  Imagine, she's like, fuck you bitch. No, she sent me a slew of the most like inspirational best texts. This bitch is like my sister. So I, but I haven't responded to those because she sent them since I got here.

• 19:28Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so you sent, you sent these, yeah, today?

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. Not doing well. I just won't be responding to all of the, the beauty-

• 19:38Alex Cooper?

  Nothing.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  And wisdom that my dear friend has just texted me. I'm saying, by the way, a new song on my album is about you. I'm gonna put a winky face.

• 19:45Alex Cooper?

  She's gonna freak out, right?

• 19:47Speaker 03

  She's gonna be like, do you not care about everything supportive I just texted you? She's like, I love you, I'm here for you.

• 19:53Alex Cooper?

  She's like, do you still wanna die? And you're like, no, no, we're past it.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  And like, no, no, no, I'm alive now, I'm alive now, I'm alive now. Okay.

• 19:57Alex Cooper?

  By the way, okay, perfect. Okay, next. Have you ever made a sex tape?

• 20:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:02Alex Cooper?

  What has been your biggest crash out?

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Two days ago.

• 20:06Alex Cooper?

  Or this morning.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  This morning. Tomorrow, really. All the time, all the time. I'm co- I'm constantly in a state of crashing out.

• 20:15Alex Cooper?

  Which older celebrities-

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:17Alex Cooper?

  Have made you hate old people?

• 20:22Alex Cooper?

  She's gonna text.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm gonna text, cuz I don't want you bitches coming for me cuz I don't like y'all, so I don't wanna hear from you.

• 20:28Alex Cooper?

  Okay, one more text and then we're moving on.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Oh, wait, Cara did text me that. Bro, she's so cute. She said in all caps, what? Which one? Liar. She's like, wait, what's going on? Tell me.

• 20:37Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God, wait, now she's probably gonna be like so sad.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Wait, oh, my God, how do I say there's not a song about her? Okay, I have to call her after this cuz she's gonna be like, you fucking bitch.

• 20:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, wait, wait, that's so sad. I thought it was gonna more like scare someone cuz obviously the album is about like fuck you vibes. But she's thinking you're like writing like a ballad to her that's like gorgeous and lovely and like you're saying how much you love her. And now you have to actually do the harder thing and be like, no, there's no fucking song.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  What's it called?

• 21:03Alex Cooper?

  Okay, who are you texting?

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's see.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  Kesha. Okay, I can text. Now that's a down ass bitch. I can text her something and she'll get it. Bro, I accidentally said your name during sex last night. I'm overthinking this. What do you think it means? Okay. So she'll love it. She'll be like, girl, you're a free, you're a free spirit.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  I accidentally said your name during sex last night. What does this mean? I'm overthinking it.

• 21:28Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, perfect.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Okay, done. Wait, Cara said hello? I have to know. Is it mean? Is it sexy? Is it fun? Oh, my God.

• 21:35Alex Cooper?

  She's spiraling.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  She's like, literally, what is it about, bitch?

• 21:38Alex Cooper?

  She's spiraling. Okay, what? What?

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Literally the love of my life. Tina said, hmm, I would say stop and just be regular and exchange insurance. But how far are you away now?

• 21:51Alex Cooper?

  Tina Fey, I love you.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Thoughtful.

• 21:54Alex Cooper?

  So thoughtful.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Literally thoughtful.

• 21:57Alex Cooper?

  Wait, that's so fucking sweet.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  That, that is so thoughtful.

• 22:02Alex Cooper?

  That's like the best fucking response someone cuz she didn't implicate herself. She's saying to do the right thing, but then also being a homie of like, but how far are you?

• 22:09Speaker 03

  She's so responsible.

• 22:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, close your phone and then when you get a notification from one of those people, you have to read us the answer.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Okay, perfect.

• 22:14Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, let's talk about your girlfriend, Toa.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:17Alex Cooper?

  Sorry, you're at home with your crutches.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  I know, poor thing.

• 22:19Alex Cooper?

  But let's talk about her. Um, what first attracted you to each other?

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Well, we were friends for a really long time and I, I think like what made me wanna be her friend, to be honest, was she's such a talented musician. And there's something about a musician that like I am just so. I like your brain works in a way that I understand and I it is musicians are always also so like deep like tortured people that I'm like we gotta be friends we gotta be friends like we have to know each other like we have to know each other so I

• 22:55Speaker 03

  I and honestly I just I really admired her a lot like I was like she is

• 23:01Speaker 03

  so smart and just like really naturally good like you see like a natural talent and you just kind of know so I really wanted her I I just like kind of wanted to be in her space and like in her orbit

• 23:16Alex Cooper?

  who made the first move?

• 23:17Speaker 03

  she would she would deny this and say that it was me

• 23:22Alex Cooper?

  but

• 23:23Speaker 03

  but I feel like it was her

• 23:25Alex Cooper?

  why?

• 23:26Speaker 03

  because

• 23:28Speaker 03

  actually no no no okay thinking back I think in her defense I'm pretty sure we kind of both decided with each other um it we definitely did we definitely did not even just kind of we started to like relax around each other actually like we started to relax around each other like I was I think also because she's really talented and really cool just to be honest she was always so intimidating to me and once I kind of started to relax

• 24:04Alex Cooper?

  now who Tina she said

• 24:07Speaker 03

  oh my god I love her so much

• 24:09Alex Cooper?

  what did she say?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  she said when you say someone you mean a car right?

• 24:14Alex Cooper?

  she thinks you had a person

• 24:15Speaker 03

  she thinks I had a person she thinks I had a small family of five

• 24:19Alex Cooper?

  so we respond we need to respond to like relax her just say I just had to send that it's a joke and call her daddy we love you

• 24:24Speaker 03

  oh my god

• 24:25Alex Cooper?

  everyone is alive

• 24:26Speaker 03

  first of all I'm so sorry this is such a joke I'm doing call her daddy and I

• 24:36Alex Cooper?

  I'm not okay

• 24:38Speaker 03

  oh a fishbowl

• 24:57Alex Cooper?

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• 25:41Alex Cooper?

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• 26:26Alex Cooper?

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• 27:10Alex Cooper?

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• 27:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:16Alex Cooper?

  You told me, quote, "I have dated so many people in the same fucking font."

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:21Alex Cooper?

  If you went through the roster of 2021, they're all siblings.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:25Alex Cooper?

  Does Tua fit the mold?

• 27:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 27:28Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 27:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 27:29Alex Cooper?

  Wait, visually?

• 27:31Speaker 03

  Visually, personality.

• 27:33Alex Cooper?

  All of it.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Everything, no.

• 27:35Alex Cooper?

  You switched up.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Not to be so insufferably in love, but like she is really one of one. There is like truly, I've never met another person like her. I don't think another person like her exists. Like in every sense of the word. She is like physically so singular. Like she's the most beautiful thing in the whole wide world. She's like so stunning. And it's just objective. Like we always say, like, we're always like, she's not like, you can be, you can be gay, you can be straight, you can be a big burly like cis man. Everybody thinks she's hot because she's objectively really fine. She's everybody's type. So like, she's got her own thing there. As a person, she is not at all like anyone I've ever dated.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  She's like so secure and loving and supportive and wants nothing from me, except to like love me and be with me.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Um, and has been so like thoughtful about that, uh, which I really, really appreciate. And I think she also appreciates too. And she understands because like she's an artist, so she gets it. But, um, yeah, she's just like,

• 28:47Speaker 03

  she's just so, yeah, she's so one of one. I think everybody else that I've dated has been really, um, I don't know if the people that I've dated have actually liked me or if they've just like, been with me like for fun because it like feels good and it's exciting. Again, like a jungle gym, like everything is like a fucking play day to everybody.

• 29:13Alex Cooper?

  She doesn't care.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  No, she's like, I couldn't give a, I couldn't give less of a fuck about what you do with all due respect. Being with her has just made me realize how. Unsupportive the rest of my relationships were.

• 29:26Alex Cooper?

  I mean, you can even just like tell like how calm you are.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:29Alex Cooper?

  You can just tell you're very at ease with her.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Beyond. There's like, there's truly, there's like, there's no one I would rather be around or spend my time with.

• 29:40Alex Cooper?

  You guys moved in together.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:42Alex Cooper?

  How did you know you were ready for that?

• 29:44Speaker 03

  Like, we were spending so much time together anyway, that we were like, why do we pay for two separate places? Like, this is so silly. Like, why are we wasting money? And also, I...

• 29:58Speaker 03

  I don't know, there's something about like, in like, gay relationships, it feels very like, um,

• 30:06Speaker 03

  like roommate-y almost, and I was like, dude, like, you gotta be my roommate. Like, what are we on about? Like, this is like, we have to do this.

• 30:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, do you have a PSA for any lesbians listening of like, knowing when is the right time to move in with your partner?

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Uh, bitch, I've had people move in with me against my will. So, I am not, I am not the one to give advice because I don't even, I can't even, I can't even control...

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Oh my god, I can't even control it. Yeah, is it like, oh my fucking god. I'd be like, hey, can I, please, like, can I have a moment of space? Would that be alright? And it would be met with like,

• 30:47Speaker 03

  you don't want to be around me, so you hate me, that's really fucked up. Like, you just like, da-da-da. I'd be like, wait, but like, this is my house. Can you ple- like, can I actually sleep in my own bed, please?

• 30:56Alex Cooper?

  And then you start looking around and all of their stuff is already moved in, and you're like, wait, when did we have the conversation?

• 31:01Speaker 03

  I'm like, how, how did this happen? How, literally, how did this happen? But Toa and I, we, we like waited a minute to move in, like, over a year to move in with each other because there's a seriousness with which we both took our relationship from the jump and then on. I think because we both knew immediately that we were really gonna try and put our best foot forward and be like the best partner for each other because we both really wanted it to work. So, I think in taking the time to decide to move in with each other, it actually allowed us to like grow closer because we were so secure.

• 31:45Speaker 03

  In ourselves and in our own decisions that we were able to then do it together. Cause like, don't get me wrong, sometimes rushing into things is the way and sometimes it works. Like sometimes it works and sometimes you know and you know and you run free. But I had just been in a situation where I was like, yo, I like, I, I have no life, my life is lost. I, I, I can't even fucking like, wear the outfits I wanna wear, like, I need, I'm scared. So I also didn't trust my judgment. I was like, I don't, I don't know, but I wanted it to work with her desperately because I was so in love with her. So I, I think we just like took every precaution.

• 32:23Alex Cooper?

  Dude, that's amazing though.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:25Alex Cooper?

  The fact that you now are able to be like, we live together, it's going amazing. And I did the opposite of everything I've done in previous relationships. I took it so fucking slow that by the time we moved in together, we're like, duh.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were like, oh my god.

• 32:37Alex Cooper?

  Fucking time.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  We were like, why are we paying for two places? Like, this is kind of outrageous. I'm like, we're like camping between like cribs. I'm like, this is so stupid, bro. But also it was, I think it was like, I think it was important. I think it was important.

• 32:51Alex Cooper?

  Um, random pivot.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure.

• 32:53Alex Cooper?

  Can we talk about some straight men?

• 32:55Speaker 03

  Why? Why?

• 32:59Alex Cooper?

  Who? Do you have any straight male friends?

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got, I could, I definitely have some and I could count them on one hand.

• 33:08Alex Cooper?

  You're like on one finger, actually.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  I'm like, I fuck with my dad. Uh, no, I have a few.

• 33:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, um, I feel like this is the year for a lot of women of like de-centering men from our lives, which is probably a really good thing.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Right, crazy.

• 33:22Alex Cooper?

  I wanna hear your opinion on just like a few.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  Go.

• 33:25Alex Cooper?

  Let's start with like a basic, easy layup. How do you feel about Brad Pitt?

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Um, I, okay, I'm envisioning something in my mind and I need to make sure that this is Brad Pitt before I start talking. Cause if it's not, then I'm not sure.

• 33:39Alex Cooper?

  Renee?

• 33:40Speaker 03

  Hang on.

• 33:40Alex Cooper?

  You're lying to my face right now. Stop.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  I gotta look it up. I need, I just need to make sure. I just watched a movie. Yes! Oh my god, this is him. Okay, Brad Pitt. Love. Here's why. I love him in Ocean's Eleven because I love his style. It's really nice. I like want that closet. He also always has a toothpick, like spoken like a Trudyke. I'm like, he looks so fine in that movie. I just watched it with T for the first time. She was like, you gotta get into like some boy movies. I was like, no, I don't. And then she showed me that. I was like, this is kind of nice. I think he looks really good in that movie. So I like him.

• 34:19Alex Cooper?

  He is objectively gorgeous.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  That's about all I know, but I really like what I've seen.

• 34:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay, um, the cheating CEO from the Coldplay concert.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  I don't really understand that whole fiasco because I don't really think that's on my side of the internet. Like I've definitely heard, I've heard rumor.

• 34:35Alex Cooper?

  He brought a woman at his company.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:38Alex Cooper?

  To a Coldplay concert, who is not his wife.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  And that's how they were on the video?

• 34:43Alex Cooper?

  Every time, uh, Chris Martin, the Coldplay man sings one of these songs, Yellow, something, whatever.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Of course, look at the stars.

• 34:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  I know him.

• 34:51Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Okay, great. You know him. So then they put a camera on a really cute looking couple. He's holding her at the waist.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  That's why, okay.

• 34:57Alex Cooper?

  Swaying back and forth.

• 34:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:59Alex Cooper?

  They get caught. They physically jump to the ground and hide. Then it's found out that he has a full wife, kids, was fully cheating, took his mistress to the Coldplay concert. How do we feel about this man?

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Um, not loving, dare I say hating. Let's get one thing straight. That's fucking crazy. Yo, everybody makes mistakes, but that's insane. When you, oh my God, when you have a family.

• 35:19Alex Cooper?

  No, you're a piece of shit.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  I can't, I can't, I can't.

• 35:21Alex Cooper?

  And he wrote an apology and in the apology at the end, he basically kind of like blames Coldplay.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  Like a public apology?

• 35:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, he wrote a public apology.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Oh my God, you're not the Pope. What are you doing? Wait, he made like a Notes app apology? He's like an influencer who got canceled for saying a slur. What are we doing? Is this real?

• 35:39Alex Cooper?

  I didn't know about Obama.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Um, really, really good looking guy.

• 35:44Alex Cooper?

  Right?

• 35:45Speaker 03

  To bag Michelle Obama? Ay, yo. To bag Michelle Obama?

• 35:54Speaker 03

  You gotta be doing something right.

• 35:57Alex Cooper?

  Travis Kelsey.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  Um, I'm not sure.

• 36:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  I definitely know who that is.

• 36:03Alex Cooper?

  Because of Taylor Swift.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:05Alex Cooper?

  Thank you.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:06Alex Cooper?

  Um, Elon Musk.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Literally roll over. I'm so sorry. Roll over. Roll over. And I know y'all are checking the internet now and you're checking people's phones when they go through customs and you're doing all that bullshit. Roll over. Roll over. Get fucked. All y'all. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. It is so fucking embarrassing. You are despicable. Despicable. It makes me so livid. Everyone who is in power is such a fucking joke.

• 36:34Alex Cooper?

  Have you seen people who drive Teslas and they have the sticker on the back of their Tesla? Where they're like, I bought this, I promised before.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  I saw one yesterday and I loved it.

• 36:43Alex Cooper?

  I know. My sister-in-law has it. I like rolled up to her house yesterday. I was like, queen.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  Saw it and loved it.

• 36:47Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. You recently said that sex is amazing for you right now?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:52Alex Cooper?

  Tell us, the daddy gang, like, what, what could we be doing better?

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't take SSRIs anymore. I don't take SSRIs anymore. For me personally, I was like, I'm, I'm good on it. I don't think that I want that at that point in my life. Um, that helped. And also I stopped taking birth control because that shit is poison.

• 37:12Alex Cooper?

  Um, let's transition to a different type of sex.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:14Alex Cooper?

  Sex sites of college girls.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 37:16Alex Cooper?

  We made it.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Sex.

• 37:17Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. Explain to me.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 37:21Alex Cooper?

  What happened? Why did you depart?

• 37:24Speaker 03

  It was just so fun.

• 37:27Alex Cooper?

  You're like, who texted me?

• 37:29Speaker 03

  I like, it was so fun. It was awesome.

• 37:31Alex Cooper?

  What was the final straw? Come on.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  It was just so fun. It was just so fun.

• 37:38Alex Cooper?

  Did you sign an NDA?

• 37:41Speaker 03

  I've signed many. I've signed many, bro.

• 37:46Alex Cooper?

  How did?

• 37:48Speaker 03

  Genuinely, I have signed many.

• 37:50Alex Cooper?

  How did people take it on the show when you announced that you were leaving?

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Fine.

• 37:56Alex Cooper?

  They were like, get out, bitch.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  Fine. Yeah, like, I think totally fine.

• 37:59Alex Cooper?

  They were ready for you to go.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  I think that sometimes you just know. Sometimes you just know. Also, like, nothing's like, nothing on a, on a set is ever a secret. Like, it's, at least it's really hard to do that. Like, also, I was the last one finding out about things. So I think that it's, I think, I don't really think anybody cared, to be honest. I'm sure somebody did, but I don't care.

• 38:26Alex Cooper?

  The lyric in your new song says, quote, "I took my sex life with me. Now the show ain't fucking."

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:32Alex Cooper?

  Did anyone try to stop you from putting that lyric in the song?

• 38:37Speaker 03

  No.

• 38:37Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so I love everyone around you.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  God forbid I use wordplay. God forbid a girl uses wordplay. I, look, similar to all the bullshit, like, what am I, like, I, what am I to do if not, like, make music that is genuinely reflective of my life? It, I, it just, it just is.

• 39:16Alex Cooper?

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• 40:01Alex Cooper?

  So you can build off of that. This is my favorite aspect of shopping on revolve. I'm like, oh, I really like the sweater and then all of a sudden they're like shop the whole look and then there's the pants and then there's the purse and then there's the shoes and then there's the jewelry and then there's the sunglasses and I'm like, oh my God, I just put all this in my cart and I never, I didn't have to do much. It's really nice. Also, you can find the best brands. Keep coming back to shop new arrivals daily and find inclusive sizing. Listen, hot girl energy, hot mom energy, whatever era you're in revolve has the outfit for it. Revolve has the hottest brands, new arrivals dropping daily and pieces you'll wear over and over again. Go to revolve.com slash C H D and use code C H D for 15% off your first order.

• 40:43Alex Cooper?

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• 41:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I'm going to ask you a lot of random questions. These aren't already random.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Go, please.

• 41:24Alex Cooper?

  And I just want your answers.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Okay, give me.

• 41:26Alex Cooper?

  What's the most recent things your friends have made fun of you for?

• 41:29Speaker 03

  I said recently to all of my friends that I, I was like, you guys, let's get real, like I'm the glue. And they were like, and they're like, excuse you. And I was like, I know it's bitchy. I understand it sounds conceited, but I need you guys to all get fucking serious and tell me, like, let's talk about it. I'm the glue. Like I'm, I'm making the plans. I'm holding this bitch to get there. And all my friends were like, you are so. Fucking crazy. That is such an obscene thing to say. And I was like, just chew on it and then come back to me. Let me know if you think I'm the glue. Everyone, whether reluctant or not, agreed that in a sense I am the glue. But I did get clowned for it.

• 42:10Alex Cooper?

  And because you're making such like a pretty big statement about yourself.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 42:15Alex Cooper?

  But it's honest.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  But it's honest. And I'm not saying I'm, I'm God's gift. I'm just saying like,

• 42:20Alex Cooper?

  You're the glue.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  I make a dinner reservation every once in a while.

• 42:23Alex Cooper?

  And that's huge to the front.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  That's big. That's big. I'm like, what are we doing? You know, everybody's like, should we do this? Should we do this? I'm like, no, one, let's go.

• 42:31Alex Cooper?

  Fuck, marry, kill.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 42:33Alex Cooper?

  Ellen DeGeneres.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:34Alex Cooper?

  Rosie O'Donnell.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:36Alex Cooper?

  Jojo Siwa.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Oh my God. Okay. Well, Mary Ellen DeGeneres. Mary Ellen DeGeneres. Nemo is my favorite film of all time. And that is single-handedly one of the best voiceover acting jobs we have seen and maybe will ever see to date. There is truly nothing like it. And we are not talking about it enough. Mary Ellen, in this scenario or any, um, who are the other ones?

• 43:07Alex Cooper?

  Rosie O'Donnell and Jojo Siwa.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  I, for the purpose of this exercise, I, oh my God, I'll fuck on Rosie O'Donnell.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:19Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  I think.

• 43:22Alex Cooper?

  So we're killing Jojo.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  But God bless.

• 43:28Alex Cooper?

  God bless.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  God bless.

• 43:29Alex Cooper?

  God bless. Okay. What would you do if you were forced to have dinner with a straight white man whose personality revolved around Joe Rogan being his religion?

• 43:39Speaker 03

  I need you to tell me something. Who the fuck is Joe Rogan? Because I saw something using, I saw a TikTok using his name today. And I was like, what is that? And that was not the first time I'd heard this name, but I'm not sure who that is. He's not in Ocean's Eleven.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  Who is it?

• 43:57Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever watched Fear Factor?

• 43:59Speaker 03

  No, what's that?

• 44:00Alex Cooper?

  Um, do you know what the UFC is?

• 44:03Speaker 03

  What is this?

• 44:06Speaker 03

  The UFC, like UFC fights? He's a, he's a, he's a fighter?

• 44:10Alex Cooper?

  Well, I don't know. He has a podcast.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  He's my height.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  I guess you don't have to be tall to be a fighter.

• 44:19Alex Cooper?

  We're moving on.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:20Alex Cooper?

  You and Amy Poehler recently bonded over disliking boys who do backflips. Okay, is Benson Boone the exception or is he the reason for the trauma?

• 44:30Speaker 03

  God damn it. Okay, I literally, so I texted Benson about this. Cause I was like, I was like, listen, god damn it. I was like, first of all, Amy and I's conversation, obsessed with her. A, there's truly nobody better. The duo of her and Tina together is one that will go down in history. They are the nicest people alive and so fucking funny.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  This conversation with Amy and I came from somehow, oh, we started talking, okay, we started talking about SVU, which I know that you just, don't even, don't even get me started on Rishk. Don't even fucking talk to me about Rishk.

• 45:11Alex Cooper?

  She walked in here, life changed.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Was freaking out. I was freaking out.

• 45:16Alex Cooper?

  Renee.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  I thought I was gonna literally off myself.

• 45:18Alex Cooper?

  Imagine me meeting her.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  Not Rishk.

• 45:20Alex Cooper?

  Shit, shit myself.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Woo, I was like, oh my God, I watch her every night.

• 45:23Alex Cooper?

  She is everything.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  No, she's perfect. Okay, she's perfect. Anyway.

• 45:26Alex Cooper?

  You're talking about SVU.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  We're talking about SVU and then we got into how much I love Christopher Maloney. And then we started talking about this picture of Christopher Maloney in a split for a men's health spread at one point. And I was like, look at this. He's in a split. I love Christopher Maloney, but I was like, I don't like when guys do splits. And so we started talking about flexible men. And I said that the reason for me disliking when men do like, like flips or splits or tricks or little like acrobatic things, it reminds me of the musical theater straight boy who is not very talented, but bags every hot bitch in the cast in high school.

• 46:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  There is, this is an archetype in musical theater that disrupts me to my core. And they're always flipping or they always have a trick. They can always do an aerial or something. And they're not talented, but they can flip. And so I get deeply disturbed when men do splits or anything acrobatic now because I'm like, this is taking me back to a place that I worked really hard to escape from.

• 46:35Alex Cooper?

  So Benson is the exception.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  Benson can flip, listen.

• 46:38Alex Cooper?

  He's not the reason for the trauma.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  No, my God, no, listen, he can flip, he can flip all he wants.

• 46:43Alex Cooper?

  What straight behavior should be illegal?

• 46:45Speaker 03

  All of it.

• 46:46Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you're stuck in a group therapy session.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 46:50Alex Cooper?

  With your most recent ex, your hometown homophobe, and your childhood bully. Who do you make cry first?

• 46:58Speaker 03

  I'm like totally going for my childhood bully. That one's been like waiting a long time coming. That one's been a long time. Uh, actually, wait, I take it back. I kind of forgive her.

• 47:10Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 47:12Speaker 03

  I don't know. The childhood thing is difficult because I am a full believer that

• 47:19Speaker 03

  kids are assholes and kids are not only like going through so much shift, but also like hate themselves at the same time as like trying to figure out who they are. So I do, I do have, I do have some like grace there. So maybe I wouldn't make my childhood bully cry because I, I would get it a little bit. I'd be like, it's okay, all good, people can change.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  I don't know, I might hit a three-peat, I might get them like all at once. I might be like, y'all, all fucking busted.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Ugly, not talented, boring, just do, do, do, yeah.

• 47:52Alex Cooper?

  Take them all out.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  All out at once.

• 47:55Alex Cooper?

  I love that for you. Closure.

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Right, exactly, exactly.

• 47:58Alex Cooper?

  What is the most lesbian thing about you?

• 48:00Speaker 03

  I genuinely think the most lesbian thing about me is, it's so funny. I think like my, Tola said this to me the other day, she was like, you are so fucking gay. She was like, you are so much gayer than I am. And I was like, excuse me, I was like, what are you talking about? Look at you. I was like, are we dead ass right now? And she was like, no, no, no, you are so much gayer than I am. And I was like, why? And she was like, you are so.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Deeply, deeply, deeply repulsed by dick. It is insane and it's true. I like can't even, it makes me, it makes my stomach turn. It makes me sick to my stomach. I don't understand it. I can't get behind it. I don't like the sh- shape. I don't like, I don't like the fact that it's, um, I'm not, I ha- I hate it. It makes me like deeply upset and like sick to my stomach. Are you aware of something called dorking?

• 49:00Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't be. Well, you might be fine with this. It's, oh my God, I'm like getting like viscerally sick thinking about it. It's like, it's like where like people with like dicks like, oh, they like twerk with their, they like dance basically. I just found out about it and I was like, you all are fucking repulsive. You have to stop that right now. I feel assaulted just by hearing it. Just by hearing it.

• 49:23Alex Cooper?

  They're swinging their wieners around.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. I like can't do it. And there's like, I think like when you're like, so like gay or so like lesbian, you can like make jokes about it and it's like hee hee hee hee hee. I'm like, no, literally not at all. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've like just warmed up to it to where I like can't hear it. But I think that's the most lesbian thing about me is it makes me viscerally upset. Like I, there's like a deep.

• 49:52Alex Cooper?

  It's like a guttural.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  It's really, yeah.

• 49:54Alex Cooper?

  It's coming up.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  I'm like, literally stop it right now.

• 49:57Alex Cooper?

  We're moving on. Let's talk about your music.

• 49:59Speaker 03

  Oh, sure.

• 50:00Alex Cooper?

  How did you feel with the internet, internet harassing you that you weren't coming out with music fast enough?

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Uh, it's nice. It's nice. I think it's really, to be honest, for me, it was like, it was really actually quite affirming to know that people care. Cause I live in my head pretty much 24/7. Like I was texting Cara earlier and I was like, I'm literally so depressed. I can't like do anything. I don't want to move. Um, I live in my head all the time. So.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  Seeing that fans of mine like were like A, super funny about asking for new music and also really like endearing. I was like, honestly, I gotta be real, like that feels so nice to hear.

• 50:45Alex Cooper?

  And were you ever feeling pressured like fuck, I need to hurry up and write and get stuff out? Or no, you were like, it's coming?

• 50:51Speaker 03

  Yes, but not by them. Not by them at all. Just like, I think like people, a lot of people I work with were like, okay, let's like put something out. And I was like, fuck, okay, I have to, I have to, I have to. And then I was like, wait, on free will? Just remembered I have it? No, not going to.

• 51:07Alex Cooper?

  Wait, and how long did you spend writing this album?

• 51:12Speaker 03

  Almost two years.

• 51:14Alex Cooper?

  Two years. So during this whole hiatus, you've been like slowly working on this? So it wasn't like a one week, you banged it out and then you're like, okay, put it up?

• 51:20Speaker 03

  No, oh my God, it was a, it was a long process. And frankly, I would have taken so much longer if everybody hadn't been like, hey, about that time.

• 51:32Alex Cooper?

  How you doing?

• 51:33Speaker 03

  But I, I, again, I live in my head 24/7. So I would, I would sit and ruminate on songs for the next 10 years if you let me, you know?

• 51:41Alex Cooper?

  What lyric from this album were you the most conflicted about putting out?

• 51:45Speaker 03

  Well, the general answer is like all of them.

• 51:48Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Because there, there's like a difference. So when I'm like writing them, I love writing very personally and like very how I feel. Cause that's what it's meant to be, right? And then months later down the line, I start to get like, oh my God, like I have to release like every single like good, bad, amazing, embarrassing part about me that I put on this album out into the world and, and just let everyone have it and hope that they will receive it with open arms, understanding and like see me as a full person. Um, and I think that's where it starts to get a bit scary if I think about it too much.

• 52:31Alex Cooper?

  What is one song that was possibly not going to make it on?

• 52:35Speaker 03

  Uh, we almost didn't, well, Wouldn't You, we like that Wouldn't You is the last song that I was like, okay, we can put this on the album.

• 52:44Alex Cooper?

  But I feel like that was good because it like concluded it almost.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  That's kind of the conclusion that we came to.

• 52:49Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  I, I just, we, we wrote that song when I was really, really, really stressed and I was on a trip in Nashville writing and also I think like, like Wouldn't You, like the like, the cheeky line about like, I would never cheat again. I, that was another one where like writing it, I was like, oh my God, this feels so good to like get all of this shit out. I feel so like relieved to be able to like poke fun at something so horrible that happened to me and make light of it. And something that I did at one point that I'm not proud of, like, I was like, this feels so fucking good to get out. And then like months later, I was like,

• 53:29Speaker 03

  oh my God, like what if it isn't received in the right way? Oh my God, like I can't, like, I don't know if I want to put that much of my personal life out there. I don't know what I did, da, da, da. And then ultimately what I always come back to is just like,

• 53:41Speaker 03

  no one knows every intimate detail of my life. That is how it should be. That is okay. I made something that

• 53:52Speaker 03

  I'm really proud of and as a songwriter and an artist, I want to make things that are who I am holistically as a person. So anytime I start to like tweak out about something or get worried about like putting a line on, I'm like,

• 54:11Speaker 03

  yeah, but like this is my, this is what I do and this is my job and this is what I love. And this is also how I like expressing myself and also I poke fun at bullshit I do all the time.

• 54:24Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  So like, I'm gonna also do that in music because that's, that just, it is what it is.

• 54:31Alex Cooper?

  Do you ever give exes a heads up that they will be talked about?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  No, I don't talk to them.

• 54:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 54:42Alex Cooper?

  What is Toa's favorite song on the album?

• 54:46Speaker 03

  I'm calling her. Hi, sweetie. Hey, can I ask you a question?

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Um, what is your favorite song on my album and why is it everything? But also if you had to pick one specific song, what would you say that it is?

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Okay, she said it's either that's so funny or at least I'm hot. Good, good choices, sweets. Good choices. Okay, I love you. Oh, or shy. Okay, she loves the whole thing.

• 55:11Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  She loves the, God forbid, God forbid she has taste. I love you. Okay, bye bye.

• 55:17Alex Cooper?

  What songs are you most excited to perform for your fans?

• 55:24Speaker 03

  I'm really excited to perform Shy. I think Shy is so, oh god, that's just like,

• 55:31Speaker 03

  I'm like such a sucker for like a really nice hook and a good chord progression.

• 55:36Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but Gone.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  I know.

• 55:38Alex Cooper?

  You know how I feel about you with like your singing, like last time when you sang for us, I was like crying because your, your voice for night, you could strip every single fucking instrument out and you, your voice, I, my jaws to the floor every fucking time. So when I heard Gone, I was like, there she is. There she is. No, it's truly like, thank you for giving us this piece of work and thank you for sitting down with me again. And we need to do it again in two fucking years.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Thanks dude, I know, we do it every two years.

• 56:06Alex Cooper?

  Every two years. It's like a little tradition. We'll see where you're at next.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  Love.

• 56:09Alex Cooper?

  Maybe in two years you'll come out with another album.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Probably. Fuck.

• 56:13Alex Cooper?

  It'll take you a little longer maybe next time.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  God damn it, I don't know. I don't know, bro. Maybe.

• 56:17Alex Cooper?

  Thank you.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  Thanks, man.

• 56:18Alex Cooper?

  You're amazing. Love you.

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