Steve Witkoff is a Liability & Israel is About to Occupy All of Gaza | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this episode, the guys discuss the complexities of current geopolitical negotiations, focusing on the Ukraine conflict and the implications of U. S. foreign policy. They analyze the role of NATO in countering Russian aggression and delve into the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, particularly the situation in Gaza. The conversation highlights military strategies, humanitarian concerns, and the need for a cohesive approach to peace negotiations. Brunt Workwear Get $10 Off @BRUNT with code TEAMHOUSE at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/TEAMHOUSE #BRUNTpod Subscribe to our new newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Introduction to Geopolitical Tensions 01:57 Negotiation Failures and Miscommunication 05:53 The Role of NATO and International Alliances 12:00 The Importance of Unified Strategy 18:13 Understanding Russian Aggression and Historical Context 27:12 Escalation in Ukraine: Ongoing Attacks 29:45 Transitioning to the Israel-Gaza Situation 30:54 Israeli Military Strategy and Occupation Concerns 37:01 Internal Dissent within the IDF 39:14 The Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza 47:03 Military Operations and Civilian Impact 55:27 Negotiating Ceasefires and Future Prospects Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. We got Andy Milburn here today. We got Mick Mulroy, myself, Damián Kon tacos. Lot happening, lots happened since in the last week.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Putin's gonna meet with Trump in Alaska. Steve Winkoff, absolute disaster negotiator, in my opinion.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  He was in Russia last week, and now he's in Spain with a Qatari PM talking about Gaza and a possible end there, which we'll get to after. I mean... This guy's plate, you would think like, oh, he's like, uh, he's been a for a foreign service employee his whole life, but for the amount of stuff that he's actually doing and the Secretary of State seems to not be doing. But no, he's a business guy and it's unbelievable how this happens. We were talking a little bit before we started recording with me and Mick about like, just it seems like this guy's just rolling up to a meeting with Putin and whoever else by himself, like, like he's trying to negotiate a car loan. You know, um, it's unbelievable, frankly, um.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  You mean without guidance?

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, or an interpreter. The last one, he didn't even have his own interpreter. He's the Kremlin interpreter. It's like, bro, what the fuck? I'm a dummy. And it's like, I would tell him like, I need an interpreter here, guys, from my embassy. Like, what are we doing?

• 3:01Speaker 04

  You're right. I mean, you and I need an interpreter. We'll be tall.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. So anyway, what are you guys tracking with that? There's a lot to go into. There's a really good article from Build, B I L D dot D E. It's a German media outlet, uh, like really, uh, digging into what was going on in that meeting with Witkoff and Putin. Like just the loss in translation or like Witkoff didn't understand what Putin was saying. And he gave, it seems like he gave away the fucking farm. It's just insane for me to fucking watch and listen and see that this is like a real guy that represents our government in not a trade deal, it's actual war where people are fucking dying every single day. Anyway, over to you guys. What do you guys think? Thoughts, comments?

• 3:45Speaker 05

  Well, I think we got to start with how we got here, at least the last, you know, several months, right? The US proposed a ceasefire, uh, it was in March. Ukraine took it. Russia didn't. We've had how many deadlines it's come and passed that, uh, the US has given Russia? Uh, and they haven't changed their actions at all, right? They're, if anything, they're increasing the intensity of the conflict, both in the east militarily and direct attacks, terrorist attacks on civilian populations in the major.

• 4:20Speaker 05

  You know, urban centers. And right at the precipice of when we're gonna put on these secondary sanctions, which really need to be against all the countries that buy the significant amount of Russian energy, so not just India, but China and potentially Turkey, to really have an effect. Putin says he wants to meet, and we meet him without any, like, starting the secondary sanctions, demanding a tactical pause, if you will, you know, I mean, if, if we don't do any of those things, and this is just a win for Russia, right? They're now equal footing with the President of the United States, which they are not, but that's what it appears.

• 5:04Speaker 05

  They're gonna have a meeting in Alaska, so on US soil, but putting them on the same par, seriously problematic in the sense that we're, we're talking about swapping land and concessions of land, because it's all Ukrainian land, so it'd all be concessions for Ukraine without, including the Ukrainians. Just, we can go into details, but even President Zelensky can't just give away land, not that he wants to, and he's made it clear that he doesn't. In fact, he called any, any agreement to that effect stillborn in his, his actual text, but he can't even if he wanted to, right? They have to modify the Constitution.

• 5:49Speaker 05

  Did the research on this, because I know I'm talking about it all week. Under Article VII, they have to modify the Constitution to be even have a referendum under Article 73, to even have, and there's no way the Ukrainians, in my opinion, and I think Andy could probably talk better to the pulse of the Ukrainians, are gonna do this, right? And either way, they have to be part of it, and if they do... Concede anything, it has to come with really strong security guarantees, which I think would include membership in NATO, as well as the, you know, the coalition of the willing, the 30 countries that are willing to put troops in Ukraine. There's a lot that needs to go into this. If I'm going to throw out a positive, it's better that we're talking than not. But

• 6:30Speaker 05

  right now, unless we get something concrete out of this, which includes a ceasefire, which includes real concessions on the part of the Russians, not just the Ukrainians, where the US is actually advocating for Ukraine, then this is a win, unfortunately, for President Putin. We need to make sure that it's not.

• 6:52Speaker 05

  Andy?

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's really, I mean, it's embarrassing, frankly, isn't it? You know, I mean, little things like having an interpreter, having a note taker. And look, everyone makes mistakes, right? And everyone mishears. And I know Putin's a master at getting people to hear what they they want to hear when they speak to him. But the the actual, you know, and you're talking about the Build article, and the Build article talks about, you know, Putin made a demand for

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Ukrainian forces to withdraw from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, right? And Witkoff misinterpreted that as saying that Russian forces would withdraw from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Well, Russian forces are in Zaporizhzhia province, they're not in Zaporizhzhia city, and they're not in Kherson. So it it kind of wouldn't make sense for the Russians to withdraw, right? And then there seems to be this weird misunderstanding between Vance, Rubio, and Witkoff on what actually transpired in that meeting and what they should tell the European leaders, because I think frankly, they don't know what transpired in that meeting. Even Witkoff,

• 8:11Speaker 04

  who was there, is not clear. He doesn't understand who made concessions to do what, you know, and

• 8:19Speaker 04

  There's this weird discussion too from Witkoff about, well, the Ukrainians are going to give up Donetsk in return for Russians withdrawing from Zaporizhzhya and Kherson. Well, Ukrainians don't hold Donetsk, you know, I mean, it's, it, it, so the

• 8:37Speaker 05

  It's just like a basic understanding of what the fuck's going on and you're supposed to be the special envoy to doing this?

• 8:42Speaker 04

  You know, first of all, look at a map before you go in, right? Understand who has what. I mean, some basics, bring an interpreter, have a note taker, um, before you start, really. I mean, it's, yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  Professional policy people that follow Ukraine daily, every day, and that would pass you the note saying, everything that Andy just said, right? If you didn't know it, they're passing the note saying, they actually, they're not, they don't control that, or, um, this is how, this is how it's usually done. Or, and also a military advisor, you know, direct active duty, that can be right there, sitting behind you, you can ask questions, they can prep, they can prep you, these are how it's normally done.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  As I honestly feel, I don't want to toot my own horn, but I feel like I could do a better job at the negotiating table. I really do. Because I'd have all those things. I'd have Mick and Andy behind me grumbling, and I would be yelling at Putin. Like, that's what I would be doing. And I would have some understanding, I would make sure I'm studied up on the fucking topic I'm talking about.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, um, I mean, it's, it is embarrassing. Look, you know, I, I, I'm not arguing about this from a political standpoint, of course, you know where my sympathies lie, and you know that I don't trust the Russians for some reason, and that, that even, and I agree with Mick, that, that rushing out there to talk to Putin as soon as he, as, as he makes a comment and, and dropping all talk about sanctions is to the Russians undoubtedly a sign of weakness, but let's set that, set that all aside for the time being and just say, yeah, this is just incredibly embarrassing.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's also kind of head scratching how like we're all so tough on like the EU and allies.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Canada.

• 10:36Speaker 05

  Canada.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Canada.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  Canada is right there.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:39Speaker 05

  Canada is literally forty minutes from where I am. They fly Canadian flags and US flags at that down.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  I mean, the Canadians are unbearably smug, and they really are. I mean, I know that. But but they're not they're not actually an adversary. Let's be honest. I mean, you know, I mean, they're annoying. They're annoyingly nice. But but yeah, we we've it's.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  It's just head scratching. And we're just like, count whatever, whatever they need, you know, whatever. You guys want full sanction relief? Sure, we'll put that on the table out there in the press before we even fucking meet in Alaska, which I don't even know what the fuck that's gonna be about. They're gonna have some bullshit meeting. They're gonna come out of it again and be like, oh, yeah, we made a lot real progress. And Putin's not gonna do a fucking thing. Meanwhile, EU is not involved. Zelensky in Ukraine is not involved. It's like, dude, I can understand why people outside of America see us as like an imperialistic, like we say what we want and we do what we want. And it doesn't matter what you have, like what you have to say about it, because like we're making decisions about another country without them at the table.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  Well, you know, I I think one of the one of the the I mean, I find it disturbing and I find it sad as an American who spend a lot of time in the Middle East is that, you know, I happen to be in the Middle East now and and I can tell you, talking to friends who are

• 12:07Speaker 04

  both Americans, but mainly non-Americans who are highly placed, you know, to include in in Middle Eastern embassies in in DC or in governments out here that we have lost a lot of standing, a lot of standing. I mean, the the the Brits have right now have way more waster than us and great as you know, from the point of view of of Middle Eastern, several Middle Eastern governments who I could name, but but won't hear who who are traditionally our allies. And that is disturbing.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  I mean, even the Brits, you know, and the Brits lost, you know, I mean, the Brits made a stand, quite rightly on Sudan, right, with UAE and lost some kudos a few months ago with them, but they're back in favor because frankly, the United States, no one knows where we stand. I mean, it's, it's frightening.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  So we have a, we have what, five days before the meeting? What I would advocate for is a full-on meeting with President Zelensky with President Trump. We need to know where they want to be so that we can advocate for their position, right? I don't think we should, obviously, I don't think we should be neutral in this. We can, but we are the United States and that carries a lot of wasta. If we know, and not publicly talk about it, because that's not, you know, at least the way I look at negotiations, a very helpful thing. But have President Zelensky talk to President Trump, know where they want to be at the end of this, and then have the US steer it that way.

• 13:49Speaker 05

  All, with the whole while, knowing that any concessions has to go through this whole process in Ukraine. So, and this idea that we're going to take stuff off the table because Russia asked for it? Hell, no, they're not taking stuff off the table. So why aren't we saying full NATO membership? Actual NATO forces on the ground in Ukraine? Yeah, you're not getting them funding back because you destroyed half their country. So it's going to them. And, you know, we're going to start a fund that you're going to fund to help repair the rest. Like, we need to go in with a maximalist side. I don't even think that's maximalist, but you see what I mean? Like, it's, it's, they're setting the entire agenda.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  Now, they just met in London with the Vice President and a lot of the, you know, national security advisors. For European countries and they're coming up with their own and Europe has a plan. And that does include going toward NATO membership, right? So, and we need to talk to Europe, right? Our traditional historic NATO allies. There should be probably a meeting with just one on one with the presidents and a meeting with, you know, key leaders in, in Europe. And then maybe a combined one, all leading up to the discussion with Putin. And Putin wouldn't want to hear any of this, right? He wants to go in there without any of this happening.

• 15:12Speaker 05

  So, which means we should definitely do it and set the president up, our president up with the, the knowledge and where we all agree this should go so that he can go and do his negotiations.

• 15:26Speaker 05

  That could turn this around, maybe even had Zelensky in Alaska. You know, maybe a meeting in the same place before they meet just to show that we're, we are completely linked up with our partners.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Russia, we could turn that around before Friday.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, Russia does a really good job of playing the victim when they're clearly, absolutely the fucking aggressor and the person, the, the party that's at fault here. They do a fucking great job of that.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  And also great at breaking agreements, which is why there needs to be ironclad security assurances, or this is a waste of time. As soon as they think it's to their advantage, they'll start the conflict again. So they need to be French, German, Polish, whoever forces in Ukraine wants to ceasefire stops or this cessation of hostility stops, in other words, permanent. And they need to have a path toward NATO. It's not up to Russia who goes in NATO. I mean, we just saw Sweden and Finland join. They didn't want that to happen. Tough, right? They caused it by invading Ukraine. So strategically, this is already a disaster for Russia. So they want to salvage something out of this, but strategically it was a terrible idea.

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  Yeah, and it's only like in the article, it's called, uh, sectoral ceasefires. Like, what the fuck does that even mean? Sorry, I'm red hot about this, but it's like such nonsense that's coming out of Russia. It absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. And it does seem like there's a rift with Koff and, uh, Rubio are kinda on the side of like putting Europe or, or I'm sorry, just Rubio emphasized having Europe involved in the discussions like you just mentioned, Mick. And, uh, Vance and Witkoff are like, no, it's like, dude, it's their continent. Like they're the neighbors. Like what's next if Russia wins in Ukraine? They're going after fucking little ass NATO countries that are in Europe.

• 21:10Speaker 05

  What's the next step? There's a potential, don't know, that if this doesn't come to an end and Russia keeps gaining, that actual European forces could go into Kyiv. It could. I would be ready for it. I'd be planning for it right now. Like, there's no way that the rest of Europe should let Ukraine lose. Like, lose, lose. Right. Right? So, this is one of those things that seems far away, but could be really quickly become up close, right? So, Russia decides to attack a NATO country, we're in. We're in. We're treaty'd under NATO, Article Five, we're in. And thus, we want to violate our, completely violate the most important treaty we've ever signed, and the most important aspect of it.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  And I don't think the US wants to do that. So, we have a vested interest, not only in supporting Ukraine, but making sure this doesn't expand. How you get me fucked?

• 22:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, the most important treaty we've signed, and the, you know, as we discussed before, the only time that Article Five has been acted upon previously was in favor of the United States after the 9/11 attacks, you know, NATO stepped up to the plate on our behalf. And, I mean, and by a tenuous chain of logic, too, frankly, I mean, we weren't under existential threat. So, it is, yeah, it's a frightening thought that US might not, on our, I know, I'm not saying that we wouldn't, but I'm just saying it's just a frightening thought that we wouldn't

• 22:49Speaker 04

  step up to the plate. And, you know, to Mick's point, yeah, the feeling about the threat from Russia is hard to understand here in the United States, where we're separated by an ocean. But for the Poles and the Baltic countries in particular, it is, there is acute anxiety and well justified. I mean, historically, you think about, you think about how...

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Those countries have suffered from the Russians. And there's no doubt about it. I mean, in the case of the Baltics, Putin is absolutely regards their separation from the Soviet Union as being a big mistake. He regards the breakdown of the Warsaw Pact as being, you know, the most tragic thing in his own words. I mean, I'm paraphrasing in recent Russian history to him was to break up with the Soviet Union. I mean, you have to understand that to understand what is motivating him.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Where do you guys? So, I mean, the way this administration has talked about NATO, certain aspects of it, certain factions in it have talked about NATO for a long time. Would you be surprised that if they invaded Estonia, that we didn't fucking gear up and get ready or, you know, really put 100% in? Maybe not send a half a million troops, but air, air, any, any kind of assets. Would you be shocked if we went, you know, turned our back on Article Five? I wouldn't be.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  I would be shocked. I think we, we would honor our commitment. If not, literally every other agreement we have around the world would be in jeopardy. Right?

• 24:49Speaker 05

  I think a lot of it was rhetoric about Europe's lack, which is true, lack of supporting their own defense, which wasn't just President Trump, but it was President Obama, President Biden, President Bush, all said the same thing. Why? Because Europe had said, nah, we got the biggest brother on the block. We can spend it on, I don't know, social welfare programs, whatever they want, giant pensions and not on their own defense. I think one thing that Trump administration can claim at least partial credit for is now they spend money on their own defense, right? I think it's probably mostly because of the invasion of Ukraine, but fair. Either way, it's probably a combination of the two.

• 25:31Speaker 05

  So I think a lot of the anti-NATO rhetoric was about that. I can't imagine that we, I don't even know how we would not honor our treaty legally. I mean, that's, that's the point of a treaty. So, but to your point, is it like all in? We're sending over the, you know, 82nd Airborne and the 1st Marine Division? Or are we supporting air? I think it'll be a combination based on how it's going, you know? But we would have to be all in on defending our NATO allies. And to Andy's point, I mean, not only did they join us in like, say Afghanistan after 9/11, they were in Iraq, which most Americans don't understand how Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, right? Yet NATO went to Iraq, right?

• 26:15Speaker 05

  And they, and they lost, contrary to some of the comments, which are just completely insensitive, I guess is the word. NATO lost a lot of forces fighting alongside us.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 05

  In Afghanistan and Iraq because of their commitment to Article 5. That matters.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, they didn't send just like a fucking equipment, right? They sent soldiers there that died.

• 26:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've been in operations where they died.

• 26:44Speaker 03

  I mean, Mick, let me ask you something, man. I know you were, you know, you weren't a big boy, you know, secretary or deputy secretary, you know, whatever, you were still up, you were there and you were in, in the rooms. There was a phone call on August 7th between officials from the US government, including Special Envoy Witkoff, Secretary of State Rubio and Vice President JD Vance and the European partners. The American side was perceived as chaotic and disunited.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  That's crazy. How are you on the phone, even with your allies? You're on the phone and you're supposedly representing once an American government, an American administration. And you're unorganized and not united on the phone with your partners. Even though they are allies and stuff and it's cool to jam and try and figure things out together. You gotta have some kind of fucking stance about how to proceed.

• 27:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's accurate, right? So start with that. I'm sure they would say it's not. Uh, but normally even, you know, that's the secretary level and obviously the vice president.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  We do all of our policy coordination internally first, right? Um, and it's usually in the National Security Council, right? Uh, which has kind of been gutted, uh, but it starts, you know, depending on how quick they're moving. It starts in a lower level. Um, all of the issues are discussed, all of the potential.

• 28:16Speaker 05

  Pluses and minuses, if you will, are discussed. The intel community provides some sanity to like the, the, uh, you know, underlying facts, right? So people just aren't making shit up, to be frank. And then if, if everybody agrees, that's the plan. Like if you can't bring everything up to the top or that, uh, it just, it's non-practical. Now every deputy assistant like I was is supposed to know what our boss thinks, right? So it's not just us deciding. We're supposed to have an idea of where the secretary of your, uh, department or agency. And then it gets up to the top. If it's something that is moving quickly, it's like, like this is. Then they would have gotten together, you'd hope, uh, beforehand.

• 28:59Speaker 05

  And they have decided their position, the US position, if they can't, if there's disagreement, the president ends the discussion. Right? There's, there's always a one person at the top. And then they go into the discussion with their allies, knowing that this is the US position, not the vice president or the secretary of states or the special envoy's position, because that would look chaotic. You know, they can't be three different American positions.

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  So I don't know if it's accurate, but if that's the case, that's, that is Andrew.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, there's no little more to say. And we've said it all, right? We haven't solved the problem, but we certainly it, you know, expressed why again, why negotiating in the way we are with the Russians is, is just so mistaken. I mean, it's, it's almost a tautology, right? That the Putin, Russians generally historically, but Putin in particular only stands, understands

• 30:04Speaker 04

  the, the threat of repercussions.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  Uh, he only understands his, his strength, bottom line, I suppose. You know, we talked about the examples in the past, the, the killing of hundreds of Russian contractors in Syria after Grasimov was warned that if they, you know, if they, if they crossed a, a certain line in Syria, um, near a, a US base that, that we would strike them. And we did, and you know, it didn't escalate things. Actually, it toned things down because the Russians called up, laugh as they do. And we responded and the same thing with the Turks. When the Turks told Putin, if you keep flying aircraft over our territory, we're going to

• 30:52Speaker 04

  start shooting them down. And the Turks did, and it didn't result in war escalation. Putin backpedaled and, uh, and, and negotiated. Sadly, that is, that's the way he thinks, but we just, we don't even learn from recent history.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Make anything else sad? I know you have the, the saying you've said a couple of times about if you feel like, if you feel steel, stop, if you feel mush, keep going. That's like what the Russians.

• 31:21Speaker 05

  Lenin, I think.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Also, fucking absolute dick move was, uh, Putin giving Witkoff the order of Lenin for the kid that died. I was from America, who's, whose mom is like a deputy director at the CIA or something. Absolute like, you're just a, he's, he's, he's playing fucking games. And like, I don't, yeah, I don't understand how you just don't PP whack this guy, for lack of a better term.

• 31:47Speaker 05

  Like, I mean, the guy was apparently mentally, you know, had some mental issues, right? So he joined, um, it's just a sad thing to try to, it's, it's pathetic. Says a lot more about Putin than any other aspect of that whole story.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  I'd love to be, yeah, absolutely just disgusting. I want to be a fly on the wall to see like how Witkoff took it. He probably had no idea what the fuck it was. He was just like, thank you so much.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  I would not be surprised. I'm going to be, I'm going to speculate a little bit.

• 32:18Speaker 05

  He should have just, uh, turned it down.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  There's anything else you guys have on Ukraine? Say it now or forever hold your peace because we're going to move.

• 32:29Speaker 05

  We're going to have a lot going, I mean, next weekend, we'll be talking about it.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  And I think, you know, just a reminder, while this has been going on, the Russians have been absolutely smashing Kiev and, and other population centers, you know, night after night. And again, I mean, massive drone and missile attacks, all of which are targeting civilian areas. I mean, I, I, I know that sounds like a naive thing to say, but there's not even any pretense to be going after military infrastructure or even infrastructure. You know, these things are targeting, uh, some of the most heavily populated areas, uh, within, within Kiev.

• 33:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, on that, you know, Andy's point, maybe that's, maybe the next time we discuss anything with Putin, he has to agree to a ceasefire. Because if not, it's just a, it's just a tactic to continue the war, make it look like he has some interest in a ceasefire when he doesn't have to pay any consequences. Right now, zero. Just keep fighting.

• 33:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I did see a report right before we got on that India is actually starting to buy oil from, um, God, where else? Not Russia.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  Thank God.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't remember where the other countries were, so forgive me, but I don't know how true that is. I don't know how long that'll last. You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot to be said. There's a 1.5 billion people in India and they need fuel.

• 34:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. Maybe we can make up for the deficit.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, anything we can to like, make it harder for this guy to stop moving around and doing things with impunity because it's like an absolute fucking joke what's going on. Even just not letting like Ukrainians shoot the hardware they have into Russia proper like like letting them off the leash and letting them do it. Obviously, tell them not civilian targets, but military targets like spider web, stuff like that, like, go for it, fucking open season.

• 34:33Speaker 05

  That should have been done a long time ago.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  All right.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  Moving to Israel Gaza, what's going on? I'm going to editorialize a little bit. It seems a bit like Gaza's Israel is going to going to try and fully occupy Gaza.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  I think they're calling up about 30,000 or more reservists for this. I think if you ask me, they're saying the quiet part out loud that they didn't say for the last two years is that they want to fully occupy Gaza. I saw Netanyahu, he was on Fox News, he was talking about like the what they want Hamas destroyed. They want a civilian government that has nothing to do with Hamas there and secure but security by Israel. So, I mean, I want I want to be six foot four, you know, like thing, you know, but it's never going to happen. So what are your thoughts on what's going on here? Because it seems like it's about to rev up big time.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  I think it's I think it's well, obviously, it's a it, you know, I won't comment about either the ethically Netanyahu's rationale for doing this, but he has significant backing from the far right in Israel and there's this. This feeling that the only thing, that the most important thing to come out of this, because they realize that they cannot, they cannot completely obliterate Hamas, you know, we've talked about this, and is, is to at least come out of it with land, right?

• 36:12Speaker 04

  It's kind of the feeling that, hey, we need strategic depth, that the policy of withdrawal since 1977 was misplaced, and our security lies in land, and it's also, of course, there's this continued feeling of we need the land, and we need Palestinians completely off it. What is, what is really interesting is the pushback that is coming from the Chief of Staff of the IDF, Lieutenant General, Samir, yeah, yeah, Samir.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  So he is saying, and he's saying this publicly, you know, you mentioned 30,000 reservists, Samir is saying it's going to take 200,000 reservists to be recalled, all right? And Mick's already commented on the effect that this has had on the Israeli economy over the last two years. So to recall 200,000 reservists, and it's going to take at least 90 days to do that. So that's a significant recall. And then Netanyahu and Smolodch and his allies are outraged that Samir has spoken out publicly about this, and, I mean, Samir's just recently taken over, right?

• 37:32Speaker 04

  I mean, you know, the last three or four months from Halevi, who was the Chief of Staff during 7 October, and, and so, and he's popular. And, and it seems as though, I mean, the head of the IDF is always a public, a huge public figure in Israel, and he is very popular, he's popular among the soldiers, and he's popular among the Israeli population, who feel as though that he is a voice of reason. And for, he's, he's stated, you know, that's just one reason, he said, he said, hey, listen, it's going to take all of this, it's going to be hugely disruptive, and... And we are not prepared to be an occupying power, right?

• 38:14Speaker 04

  So you recall 200,000 reservists, you take Gaza City, but who's going to lock it down? Who's going to run it? And I mean, these are, you know, these seem like very basic questions and no one, no one can answer them. I mean, Israel has a very, you know, when they first, I suppose, I mean, they first went into the business. Israel went in the business of occupation post sixty seven, you know, with the West Bank and Gaza.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  But then, most famously, from nineteen eighty two to two thousand, the occupation of Lebanon. And it was, it became a tremendously unpopular concept in Israel that Israelis were occupying territory, not from just an ethical standpoint, but the fact that they were making themselves target and taking just a, you know, a continuous attrition of casualties to no end. And so Zemir is saying, hey, look, we'll lock down, you know, it's going to take us all of this to take Gaza City. And by the way, Hamas is not gone and, and we're going to be taking casualties all the time. And it's going to be an indefinite occupation and there is no plan to take over from the military.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  So these 200,000 reservists, no one can say when they're going to be able to go back to civilian life. You know, that's number one. Number two, there is finally, there is a strong feeling growing within the IDF and among reservists and active duty that continued operations in Gaza are counterproductive. And there are those who are saying that from the standpoint of they are endangering hostages further. You know, there's a feeling, hey, look, if it's even if it's only a couple of dozen hostages who are still alive, we need to get them back and we need to get the bodies of those who have died back. And this is not the way to do it.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  And then, you know, kind of surprisingly, there's also the beginnings of a backlash on moral grounds. The fact that So many Palestinians have been killed. I don't think it's anyone's disputing this by Israeli forces as they line up or go to collect humanitarian aid. And yes, some of those killings have come from Hamas, undoubtedly. Some have even come from American contractors, apparently. But the majority of them have come from the Israeli forces. And there are those within the IDF who are saying, hey, listen, we've got, this is achieving nothing. And it's undermining us, it's undermining our image.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  And there isn't, you know, to begin with, there was this tremendous feeling of vengeance throughout Israeli society. And that seems to be waning a little bit now. And I think Israel, the Israeli population was shielded by the, from the effects of the famine. Of course, they weren't suffering, but they weren't, they weren't seeing it on television, right? But now they're getting more and more news about it. It's clear that it, even if the IDF did not.

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• 41:37Speaker 07

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• 42:19Speaker 04

  Go in there, do what they're doing and Gideon's chariots, Operation Gideon's chariots, even if the intent wasn't to starve the population, the fact that the population is starving is a direct consequence of IDF operations. It was intended, as we talked about last time, to be in a population control, but the IDF has performed poorly and hasn't been able to do what they intended to do. And the result is that you have this famine. And I think, I think the number of Israelis, you know, I can't quote figures or percentage of the population, but enough for there to be voices of dissent now. There have always been voices of dissent on behalf of the hostages, but I think now we're saying also voices of dissent

• 43:01Speaker 04

  on behalf of what the hell are we doing? You know, this is wrong, which is encouraging, you know, it's pretty late, certainly too late for the however many tens and tens of thousands of Palestinians, innocent Palestinians who have died, but at least it's welcome.

• 43:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, so and if you look at Samir, which he might as well come up publicly because he leaked so much was leaked about his concern, the chief of staff that is about this, but it's also, you can see former prime ministers, former Mossad chiefs, chief of staffs of the IDF are coming out basically saying, you've accomplished everything you're going to accomplish militarily in Gaza. So you're just extending this this conflict for other reasons. There are others that believe that this, because it's going to take, what, at least what I'm hearing, it's going to start on the anniversary. So October 7th, it's going to take that quite

• 44:03Speaker 05

  a bit to call up all the reservists Andy's talking about. And then of course to cordon off Gaza City, which is a major main effort. There's about 900,000 people in Gaza City, that this is a way to put pressure on the whole negotiation. Hopefully that's the case. And that this doesn't happen. If it does happen, then it looks like the sequence will be mobilize these reservists, cordon off Gaza City. There's a potential, this is what humanitarians are concerned about, they're going to use the lack of any food going into Gaza City to force the exodus of civilians.

• 44:44Speaker 05

  Out of Gaza City. Uh, I'm not saying that's the plan, but that's the concern. Uh, that happens and then we have what could be a extraordinarily violent costly fight, urban fight in Gaza City, which would certainly, uh, cause the death of a lot of Israeli soldiers, um, civilians that don't evacuate and Hamas members, hopefully all of them. But, uh, as we know, they can regenerate just simply by recruiting some other person into their ranks. Um, that's going to be extraordinarily costly. The IDF, I think, thinks it's a six month plan after it starts. I think a lot of analysts would say that's wishful thinking.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  It's going to go on long. What, uh, there's a lot of other things that are happening right now, I'd add. So the, um, they called it the New York, New York declaration that ended last month, the Saudis, the French, uh, several other countries got together. They came up with a plan, um, to transition, obviously to a permanent ceasefire if that should ever happen, which we should all hope it does. The reconstruction of Gaza, a UN stabilization force coming in. Uh, so they have a plan. I think it's a, it's a 15 point plan and takes five years. Uh, that's, that they're, uh, going to be part of the funding for. If that matches up with what Israel wants to see with, obviously Hamas can't be any

• 46:14Speaker 05

  part of that political system in Gaza. The idea that they could be is, uh, it's a waste of time even talking about. But the other issue is what about the Palestinian Authority? Well, Palestinian Authority hasn't had authority for 30, they haven't had authority for, I don't know how long, a long time, right? Nobody, they're incompetent, they're corrupt, uh, and nobody listens to them. So there has to be a new type of government. I think Netanyahu is talking about, you know, an Arab League, what do they call it? An Arab mandate? Where all these Arab countries led by the UAE, because they have a lot of influence with Israelis, um, help a transition of technocrats, right?

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Arab Palestinians, of course, but a technocrats that can actually just focus on, okay, how do we rebuild the infrastructure? How do we rebuild the economy, the schools, the health system, all this stuff like that?

• 47:09Speaker 05

  I mean, this is way easier to describe than it is to put in place, but there seems to be several initiatives. And then, of course, you still have the Qatari Egypt plan for getting to a ceasefire happening at the same time. So I guess the role that the US could play on this is merging those, merging the New York declaration with the ongoing ceasefire negotiations with this sort of plan that Prime Minister Netanyahu has put out there that because they all have to agree to make it happen, right? So you can't just ignore, certainly can't ignore Israel, but you shouldn't ignore any component because in order for this to work, they have to, they have to be working together.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Maybe, you know, and there's also, by the way, there's been a very interesting discussion within the Israeli Air Force.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Some pushback against the Air Force Chief of Staff from his own pilots and particularly drone operators who are actually, you know, pilots tend to press a button at, you know, X thousand feet and they don't see the consequences of what they do. But the drone operators do and are reporting and a lot of them talking to the media about the fact that these killings are happening, deliberate killings of Palestinians lining up for food. And, and so the Chief of Staff has Israeli, the head of the Air Force has tried to clamp down on that. And of course, you know, in a citizen army with a lot of reservists, you, it's, it's very difficult to, to get people just to shut up, you know, when they feel as though they're, they, you

• 48:46Speaker 04

  know, they're motivated by conscience. And so we haven't got to the stage yet where people are refusing orders, but there is a great deal of pushback, which we haven't seen before from in, within the Israeli Air Force. And the last thing, I would say that, you know, from a, from an operational consideration, standpoint of operational considerations.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  The Israelis have used and overused their special operations forces, and we've talked about this a little bit here, you know, they've formed, I mean, not during the war, several years ago, they formed a commando brigade from their, you know, three special forces units, and they've been using them as infantry because time and again, the Israelis found their infantry just isn't very good, they're not very well trained, they don't train at night, at night, by the way, the Israeli troops pull back into, they pull back into, um, I'm mispronouncing the word, but it's, it's like a FOB, right, it's the barricade

• 49:53Speaker 04

  areas and they pull all their troops back in at night because they don't do night operations. And there's a number of reasons to that, they don't train to it, they don't have enough MVGs, blah, blah, blah, and then during the day, they go out again and re-clear, and when they re-clear, you know, they've got a lot of things on their side, I know I'm getting down into the tactics, and they're using drones like I wish we could have in Fallujah, they're flying drones into buildings to search rooms beforehand, and, and for the most part, they avoid sending soldiers into buildings, and part of that is, they don't have to, but they learned earlier on that in, when it comes down to, to, to mount to urban fighting, again, their guys had a number of shortfalls, they weren't trained

• 50:35Speaker 04

  very well in that area, it's not a criticism of Israeli soldiers as people, or as, you know, it's just they haven't received the training, they're inexperienced, even now. Um, and, and I, and, and this is partly why you see such a heavy reliance on artillery, airstrikes, and naval gunfire, you know, there's other things at play here, too, that, you know, probably won't, you know, I won't get into right now, but, but some of it is simply, you know, the old adage about, hey, you make up with the weight of artillery for shortfalls in your, in the competence of your, of your infantry, and that is what they, they've had to do. Well, going into clear Gaza City, uh, they, they don't

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Yes, they can recall 300,000 reservists. Yes, a lot of those guys have been in Gaza, but they, none of these guys have been doing like room to room clearing and, and the guys who have have been suffering very high attrition. I mean relatively high attrition. And so the Israelis have this problem now of they just, they've run out of, I mean, not run out, but they, they've had this high attrition among their special operations forces, who are the guys who go in and seize areas. And the troops that they have are, are just not capable of doing that. They can occupy rubble, you know, after they flattened the whole areas, they'll move guys in to sit on the rubble, but not, not clear buildings and they can't flatten all of Gaza City.

• 52:02Speaker 05

  So that, it might be in the weeds, but that's a really good point and he makes on so many levels, right? When you don't have confidence in your infantry forces, you tend to be heavy handed with the use of indirect fire, which of course causes a lot of civilian casualties, right? So that's one of the reasons that we're seeing such high civilian casualties. The other thing is we keep talking about how much Israel controls Gaza. They're saying 75%. Well, if you don't, if you don't clear and hold, then that, that number should, that, that ratio, if you will, shifts constantly, right? You have to keep clearing, keep clearing and, and just think about it from a human perspective. How many times you want to clean, clear the same building? And then you lose, you take casualties every time you do it. Pretty soon you just say, level

• 52:45Speaker 05

  the building. I don't want to clear that again, right? And I don't want to send, you know, lance corporals in there for the fourth time to clear the same damn building. So it's, it's also, it has a very strong impact on how you conduct operations and how much you can actually say you control. If they take Gaza City, which is a big if, it's very difficult for even the US military to take that, that on. They'll be at eighty five, eighty five percent. So there's still fifteen percent that they don't control. And then the question is, do you really control the, the parts that you actually say you control or not? So, and, and there's not, not much they can do now. I mean, the, the plane's already in flight. There's only so much they can do to fix it.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  Um, maybe in the future, they spend more money on, uh, not that they need, you know, corrective criticism right now, but on the actual forces that do these type of operations rather than giant, big ticket items like F thirty fives and such.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 05

  If this is the kind of war you're willing to fight, it's only so much you need when it comes to these super advanced weapon systems. You actually need to train the soldier on the ground on how to conduct these operations. It's, it's, it's the bread and butter of it.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  Since the late nineties, the Israelis have focused very heavily on exquisite capabilities, you know, so their air force is very good. Everyone knows the Mossad is very good, right? Their special operations forces are good. They're not, you know, they, the, this, they, they give a wider definition to special operations forces than probably we would, but they're very, you know, at the, the least, a very, very good infantry. But as I've said before, and by the way, you know, if listeners are, or our audience is always members who, uh, who, who respond with hate mail when I say things like this, but hey, I can, I can give example after example after example, coming from Israelis, from, um, commanders,

• 54:41Speaker 04

  former commanders who tell me, hey, soldiers don't have weapons zeroed, you know? I mean, even the Galani Brigade, I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure they're learning these lessons now. Um, but very basic soldiering, soldiering skills are, are missing.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  Can you explain to everybody what having your rifle zeroed is?

• 55:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. So basically, you know, everyone, everyone's got slightly different eyesight. They've got, everyone's got a different body, right? And so, and, and weapons are all a little bit different. So all you're doing when you're zeroing your weapon is, is, uh, is, is adjusting the sights so that when you point it at a target and aim it at a target, your bullets are going to hit that target. You know, everything else, you know, you, if you're using the right techniques and everything. If you don't do that. It doesn't matter how good a shot you are, you aren't going to, the chances unless you were just really lucky, your chances are that your weapon is not going to hit that target. I mean, we're talking, you know, military stock weapons. I mean, so it's like a very, very basic skill.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  They had a lot of problems with blue on blue, a lot, not just in the confusion of seven October, but in the aftermath, you know, to include killing three of their own hostages who had, I mean, it's a horrific story and I'm sure everyone involved is, you know, is suitably upset about it, but it didn't have to happen. The point is that, you know, basic procedures, inexperienced officers and a lot of guys who who allowed vengeance and emotion to overtake the, you know, the more,

• 56:27Speaker 04

  what's the word, the battle angel, better angels of their nature, right? You know, and all of this stuff kind of combines. And I think that's largely why you're seeing a lot of things that you're seeing.

• 56:42Speaker 05

  And this isn't about beating up on the IDF. I mean, we do this to ourselves, right? I mean, the best units actually are super critical. They spend zero time, you know, patting each other on the back when they do their after action, you know, reviews and it's all about what we need to do better. So, you know, and the US is by no means perfect, neither the units, neither the units we've been brought on.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  I would be, I would be the, absolutely right, Mick. I mean, I would be the first to, to criticize things that we in the Marine Corps have done. We've learned some very hard lessons and, you know, and we've done some, we've done some pretty fucked up things too.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  You know, and, and, and the stuff that I'm telling you has come from Israelis telling me who are, you know, they're angry and guys who are professional soldiers who've, who've seen this deterioration within the force that they love. I mean, the IDF was, I mean, it was to ten, what is totemic, iconic, right? As, as a symbol of Israeli resolve and plaque and courage and all of that. The stories of forty eight and fifty six and seventy three and sixty seven, you know, the recapture of the, the Western Wall, all of these things have, are part of Israeli law. The IDF is not just because of conscription, it's firmly woven into the fabric of Israeli society. And there is instinctive respect for the IDF.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  And that is why events of seven October, um, so shocked, you know, aside from everything else involved, but the IDF's failures that led to seven October, and then their failures on the day, which had been openly exposed now in investigations, um, really, really shocked the, the Israeli public.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  And the opposition to this plan is not just external, which is Israelis want this war to be over.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, there were, there were protests in Tel Aviv.

• 58:36Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Big time, right? The actual polls. I mean, I look them up. I mean, they're, they're ready for this war to be over. They're also very concerned, I think rightly, that this fighting is going to take place.

• 58:48Speaker 06

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• 59:02Speaker 07

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• 59:13Speaker 06

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• 59:19Speaker 08

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• 59:24Speaker 06

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• 59:44Speaker 05

  It's probably on top of where the last believed to be 20 remaining hostage, living hostages are. That's, that is not good for the survivability of those hostages. Right. The best way to get these hostages out, and it's absolutely abhorrent. These videos we're seeing of, you know, completely emaciated hostages that are digging their own grave. The best way to get them out is a negotiated ceasefire. Period. Right. It's the military operations, even with our best units, right? The JSOC tiers, they're awesome. But, you know, if you, if you have a guy assigned to stand right next to the hostage with a, with a pistol to his head, I mean, I don't care how good you are, that hostage is going to die.

• 1:00:30Speaker 05

  If they, if they, if they know that the, you know, they're compromised and there's a rescue operation underway, it's, it's almost impossible if they're actually planning for it. Right. And that's, and the Israeli special forces are awesome, but they're not, I mean, they're not, they're not, they can't miracle the thing. So it's important, and that's why these, these hostage families and their supporters are very rightfully concerned about this going ahead. This might be the, you know, the demise of all these, uh, these hostages that are still alive in captivity.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  And there's no need to go in. You know, I mean, you can encircle the city, invest it, and control movement in and out, control the access roads, conduct raids, targeted raids into the city itself to hit Hamas targets and, and work the intelligence on it and continue negotiations. You know, I mean, the, and it's militarily, that would be the best move to make. You know, so this is definitely, regardless of the ethical standpoint, this is definitely a case of political leadership pushing for something that militarily does not make sense.

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, and of course, this is the we always have the possibility that Hamas will accept the ceasefire on Israeli terms. You know, they showed, obviously, they brought this entire war to Gaza. So they show no regard for the people of Gaza. But they could stop this, I think. I mean, talk about political pressure. Netanyahu announces this going forward, even if the opposition of the IDF all the way to the top and a majority of the country, then Hamas says, remember that offer you offer, we accept. That should stop this, right? I think. So they could always, you know, stop thinking about solely themselves and

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  and actually have a ceasefire, get these hostages out and start planning for the the day after, if you will, which could include substantial investments by the Gulf states in particular into the reconstruction of Gaza for the Palestinians that live in Gaza. Let's hope that they actually agree to something.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, well said. Um, all right, guys, unless you have something else to get off your chest, now's the time.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  Nothing more on my chest.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  Who killed JFK, Mick? Quick. You know, come on.

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  Everybody asked me that when I tell them that when I'm the CIA or was.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  We'll get it out of them, guys. Don't worry. All right, guys, don't do us a favor. Check out Andy's stuff. Check out Mick's stuff. The links are in the description. You can find us there. Uh, yeah, best place to support the show is patreon.com slash the team house. As always, guys, great time. Thank you.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  Thank you, everyone.

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  Have a good week, Justin.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Take care.

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