327: Nothing Like A Scorned Woman, A Cartel and a Murder Plot | The Nathaniel Huey Story

In 2023, a quiet suburban family was found brutally gunned down in their own home—a massacre so shocking it left an entire community reeling. At the center of the chaos stood one man: Nathaniel Huey. He claimed he had no choice, that a powerful cartel had forced his hand. But as investigators dug deeper, they began to question everything he said. Was Huey truly under the control of a criminal organization, or was this the deadly delusion of a man spiraling into darkness? If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise 🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms🚩 Announcements Want to catch Annie LIVE on tour? 🎟 Grab your tickets now for a city near you! &Merch is officially HERE!🛒 Don't miss out before your faves sell out!📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected]📚 Episode Sources ABC 7 Chicago | CBS News | Daily Mail | KOTV | Law & Crime | NBC Chicago | People.com••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 1:23Speaker 03

  I know you know what's going on and why you're here.

• 1:25Annie Elise?

  You wouldn't be covering for Nate at all?

• 1:28Speaker 03

  We're trying to figure out what happened at that house.

• 1:30Speaker 05

  He's never seen a murder case so complicated and convoluted. Described by police, "Working the case as irrational and erratic."

• 1:39Annie Elise?

  The police in Illinois have not yet released any information about the motive for the murders there.

• 1:48Speaker 06

  We want to talk to you alone, separate from and that's what we're trying to make sure that you're safe.

• 1:53Speaker 05

  At first glance, crime scene photos indicate that it looks like the horrific event could have been a result of a robbery gone wrong. Another ad shows a pistol, magazines, and a knife with the statement, "I can and I will."

• 2:10Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serial Insane.

• 2:33Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello, everybody. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistically with me, Annie Elise. I hope you are ready because we are getting into the deep dives today, and this is a wild one. But really quick, I gotta just do a little bit of admin, okay? A little housekeeping here. Now, I think I've mentioned this in the past, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record. But because these episodes get cross-posted, not only on the podcast, but to YouTube, I just kinda gotta like, set the level straight. That made no sense. I wanna just like, set the record straight and level set for a moment. So if you're a podcast listener, like a devoted podcast listener, whether it's mine, others,

• 3:15Annie Elise?

  like you just know the name of the game of podcasts, then you know that in podcast audio episodes, traditionally, there are usually like, four to five ads per episode, depending on how long an episode is. And so if you're a podcast listener, and that's usually your primary form of consuming content, that's not really out of the norm for you. However, if you're a YouTube content consumer, then usually, you know that it's usually like, one sponsorship per episode and one ad. So what I've been finding is that, while a lot of people who are podcast listeners understand, you know, that, okay, there's usually four or five ads per episode, that's just, that's not up to me, guys. That's just how the podcast sells the ads, and that's just like, how podcast listening works. When these episodes

• 3:59Annie Elise?

  are getting cross-posted over to YouTube, understandably, the people who primarily only watch YouTube are like, what's going on here? I'm so used to seeing only one ad. Why are there four or five in an episode? This feels like, really crazy. It feels overly saturated. So all to say, the whole reason I'm bringing that up is just to explain that for podcast episodes, which this is, first and foremost, a podcast episode, the ads get sold differently than how they do on YouTube. So that's why there are more ads in this type of episode content. My 10 to Life episodes that are on YouTube will still remain the same. It's only one ad. But I just wanted to explain that because if you're not a Podcast listener, then I can understand where the confusion comes from and where the like, you know, irritation comes from. But if you're a podcast listener, then you get it. I mean,

• 4:44Annie Elise?

  there's some podcasts I listen to Giggly Squad and I also listen to the Toast every now and then. And I feel like those sometimes have like upwards of like eight to 10 ads. It gets kind of, you know, crazy. But again, it all depends on the duration of the episode. But I just wanted to come on here and put that out as a disclaimer because especially now that I'm posting more of my podcast episodes to YouTube, you'll be seeing that if you're watching over there. And so again, I just wanted to explain so that you understand the thought process behind it, how, why it works that way. And so you don't think I'm just like trying to stack you with a million ads for no reason. It's because it's two separate properties. They get sold differently, which don't get sold by me. I'm not in charge of that. But um, anyway, just wanted to explain. Now, before we get into

• 5:25Annie Elise?

  today's episode, I do want to also give you guys a quick reminder for everybody who has been in my ear, in my DMs, sending us messages, asking, you know, hey, will you ever make serialously a daily show? Not quite yet. However, I've got the next best thing for you. Last Tuesday, we officially launched the new podcast 10 to life. Now, you probably have heard me reference over here, my YouTube channel several times. And there was a little bit of a misconception. I've heard from a lot of you who are just loyal podcast listeners, that you thought that YouTube was basically just the video version of these episodes. It is that, but I also have an entirely separate show on YouTube called 10 to life. And I'm talking like, well over a thousand

• 6:06Annie Elise?

  episodes now and new episodes every week. And so we decided to make 10 to life a podcast. So now for everybody who's a podcast listener, whether you're driving to work every day, you're out exercising, you're just, you know, cleaning and you have your AirPods in, you have extra content to binge. So now you'll have between the two shows, you'll have episodes Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays. It's a lot of content. And last week, for our Tuesday drop for our like, our big announcement, we actually dropped two episodes in the feed. And it has been so well received by all of you. We hit number three in the true crime charts. We hit in the top 10. In the all categories podcast charts at launch. So I'm so happy you guys are loving it as

• 6:49Annie Elise?

  much as we love giving you this content. So if you haven't checked it out by now, you can search ten one zero to life on any podcast app that you use, whether it's Apple, Spotify, whatever, and follow the show so that you don't miss any of those episodes. And you can go binge some of that content right now. Last week, again, we dropped two mega episodes. We have another one coming out tomorrow that is like so insane. So go check that out. Ten to life. We got you covered now four days a week. And I don't know, maybe more in the future, too. So I just wanted to give that little reminder for you. And now we are going to get into today's case. So now that we've gotten the housekeeping out of the way, I want to talk to you a little bit

• 7:31Annie Elise?

  about today's case because like I said, it did happen relatively recently in comparison to some other cases that we've talked about because it takes place in 2023. It also takes place in a very quiet suburban neighborhood, you know, that you know, the kind where it's like block parties and garage sales are the norm. You know, all your neighbors, you're waving, you're saying hi, people are playing on the street, where it's really peaceful on the surface. But as you know, as a true crime listener, you know that sometimes darkness really does hide in plain sight. And that is what's happening today because behind closed doors, somebody's entire world was unraveling. I mean, paranoia was creeping in, reality was slipping away, and it really felt like the walls

• 8:12Annie Elise?

  were closing in. And by the time anybody noticed, it was too late because an entire family was found dead, executed, almost cartel style. I mean, parents, children, it was a crime that was so brutal that it left the investigators reeling. And there were so many twists in this case that nobody even knew where to turn, where to look, what was happening. I mean, it really turned this quiet community's life into a nightmare and really into something almost too shocking to even believe.

• 8:47Speaker 06

  Fire! Get out of the car! This is the Kefusa Police Department. Step out of your vehicle with your hands up. Do it now. Let's do gunshots.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  I don't know if it was gunshots or holes popping. I got door. Do not see movement. No movement. Get out! Get out! Get out! Get out! Get out now! Got it, got it.

• 9:11Speaker 06

  Nothing. Floor board, floor board! Get her. Got cover, got cover. Grab her belt, grab her belt, grab her belt.

• 9:17Annie Elise?

  So to understand this case, we've got to get to know the people involved. Starting with a man named Nathaniel Healy. Now, on paper, Nathaniel was just a regular guy. He ran a security company, he had a fiance, he also had some kids from a previous relationship. And honestly, I'm not trying to shade him or anything, but Nathaniel was not the type of guy who really stood out in a crowd. If you passed him at the grocery store or maybe saw him at a gas station, you probably honestly wouldn't really think twice. So in 2023, Nathaniel was 32 years old. He had an average build, dark skin, short black hair, he had some short facial hair as well. He also had some tattoos, but nothing too crazy, just like a little partial sleeve on one arm with normal tattoo-type artwork, you know, flowers, birds, trees.

• 10:02Annie Elise?

  And by all accounts, Nathaniel just seemed pretty normal. Now Nathaniel was from Streamwood, Illinois, a quiet suburb just about an hour northwest of Chicago. And like I said in the beginning of this episode, it's the kind of place where families go and they settle down, kids are riding their bikes after school, neighbors are throwing barbecues in the summer. And Nathaniel and his fiance, Irma Linda Palomo, had been there for years. Now, they weren't exactly social butterflies, but they also weren't hermits either. Neighbors knew who they were, just not very well. And like I said, Nathaniel ran his own security business, so he was a pretty busy guy. Now, he called his business Black Bear Security, and this company specialized in surveillance cameras, also in alarms, personal security, like, all that good stuff.

• 10:46Annie Elise?

  He really just wanted to make other people feel safe. And for him, it was more than just a job. It was almost like a reflection of his state of mind. He was the type of person who was always just like watching, always waiting for something to happen. And his business was very successful. He had customers who really... seemed to like him. So on the surface, this guy was reliable, professional, and really seemed to be good at what he did. And here's just a little bit more info about his company.

• 11:12Speaker 05

  According to these state business records, Huey's Security Company had been registered at the Streamwood location since at least 2021. The firm, officially called Black Bear Security LLC, also includes the word "promotion" here on its Facebook page. That ad with the gun and apparent silencer promotes Black Bear's residential, business, personal, and bodyguard security. Another ad shows a pistol, magazines, and a knife with the statement, "I can and I will."

• 11:41Annie Elise?

  Now, as it turns out, Nathaniel could be a little, mm, too protective, you could say. He would always go above and beyond to make sure that his own home was secure, sometimes even to the point where it almost felt like excessive. I mean, we're talking cameras on every single corner of his house, floodlights, locks on the doors that kind of almost made it seem like he might have been hiding something. Or, I mean, maybe he was just paranoid, or maybe a guy who just cared too much about security. I mean, that was his business after all. So if he knows how to install it, if he has the equipment accessible, why not use it, right? I have a lot of cameras around my house, inside and outside, and, I mean, sometimes people just have their personal preference. Now, since 2015, Nathaniel had been in the relationship with his fiance, Irma Linda. And let's just

• 12:26Annie Elise?

  say, this relationship between the two of them, it was complicated, to say the least. I mean, they had been together since 2015, and while they didn't have any kids together, Nathaniel did have young children from a previous relationship. So on the surface, it did seem like this stable, long-term partnership come 2023, because at that point, it was about eight years. But anyone who spent enough time around them, they could really feel that there was like this underlying tension between the two of them, even if it was hard to pinpoint exactly what that tension was. Now, one of the biggest things that people took notice of in their relationship was that Irma Linda was 50 years old, so 18 years older than Nathaniel. Irma Linda had long, dark hair, I mean, great flawless

• 13:10Annie Elise?

  skin. She even looked a few years younger than her actual age. And she was a mother with five grown kids and five grandchildren. But honestly, not a ton is known really about her personal life outside of the fact that she was engaged to Nathaniel, and at some point also had had that previous relationship. So as Nathaniel and Ermelinda's relationship went on. One of her daughters says that they started to get a little put off by Nathaniel. She said that sort of suddenly, at some point in 2023, he just started coming off as this super angry guy. He even started to distance himself from their family. But at that point in time, nobody really knew why. There was no red flag. There was no real details as to why he was suddenly acting angry or distancing himself. It just didn't make a lot of sense.

• 13:54Annie Elise?

  And something else that was a little bit, I don't want to say off-putting, but questionable to people who were close to the couple, was that they had been engaged for a really long time, yet had never taken the step to get married. And sure, lots of people will be engaged for, you know, years, several years, who cares? It's all a personal preference. But some people were wondering like, mm, okay, is that a red flag in their relationship too? They've been engaged for so many years, yet they're not actually getting married? Why? If they're so happy, if they're so in love, like, why not get married? So people were starting to kind of have their own reservations and hesitations and questions about the relationship. And according to that same daughter who had said that something was going on with Nathaniel's behavior and how he was distancing himself,

• 14:37Annie Elise?

  she also said that in the second half of 2023, Nathaniel just started acting differently toward them. And that over the course of just a few months, his behavior started changing even more. Now Nathaniel had always been into security and protection. I know we already talked about that. And some people may have described him as even being a little bit too paranoid. I mean, one of those people who's always kind of sort of just waiting for something to happen so they can spring into action, be the savior. And it almost started to seem like Nathaniel wanted something bad to happen, also that he could do something about it. Nathaniel even started becoming convinced that people were watching him, that there were neighbors, strangers, just people that he worked with, all these different people watching him. Which of course, sounds, I'm sure, like paranoia.

• 15:22Annie Elise?

  But he wasn't just paranoid or nervous, he was almost like eagerly waiting for them to do something because he wanted to spring into action and protect himself, protect his house. He also wasn't the type ...of person apparently to let things go. And it wasn't just paranoia about strangers or coworkers or acquaintances either. Nathaniel also began suspecting the people closest to him. His friends, his family, even his fiance. He thought they might all be up to something, or they all might be out to get him, or trying to expose him, or trying to do something to take him down. So that's where things really started to take a darker turn in this story, or at least paint a more clear picture as to what was going on with Nathaniel.

• 16:04Annie Elise?

  Because as it turns out, rumors started swirling that Nathaniel was having an affair. And I guess maybe he had a right to be paranoid about whether or not people were talking about him, because in all fairness, as it turns out, the rumors of that affair were 100% true. He was having an affair, and people were talking about it. Nathaniel had been having an affair with a woman named Zarida, who was a coworker that he actually met through an engineering company that he had done some work for in the past. Now Zarida was a bright, ambitious woman. She had shoulder-length brown hair. She balanced a very busy work life with her role as a wife and a mother. She also worked as an engineer, which was a field that she was extremely passionate about, and it was through her job that she crossed paths with Nathaniel.

• 16:48Annie Elise?

  Now Zarida was married, as I mentioned. She was married to a man named Alberto. And together, they were raising a young family together. The couple had two young kids, ages seven and nine. And friends described her as just very compassionate, very hardworking, often juggling her responsibilities at home and at work, and just doing it all with grace, making it almost look effortless, easy. Zarida and Alberto had known each other for more than a decade, building a life that was truly centered around their children and their shared goals. She loved family gatherings, she loved anything that had to do with her kids. And to those around her, her life seemed just so fulfilling, so happy, and her marriage really seemed to be the exact same. But then, what began as these professional interactions with Nathaniel slowly started

• 17:33Annie Elise?

  blurring into like, personal interactions. Work conversations started turning into inside jokes, and then those jokes turned into longer conversations, longer chats that extended well beyond working hours and well beyond professionalism. And before you know it, there were the late night texts and the late night phone calls. Then that escalated into meeting up, hooking up, sneaking around their families, their partners, and getting into a full-on affair. But here's where things get even messier, as if they're not messy already, right? Irma Linda, Nathaniel's fiance, wasn't totally oblivious to what was going on. Because Irma Linda started noticing these late nights. She started noticing the sudden need to work these extra hours and have these secretive phone calls.

• 18:19Annie Elise?

  Now, when you're in a relationship, or if you've ever been in a relationship, and you suspected that your partner was cheating on you, I would say it's fair to say that most people wouldn't just like sit back and move on. I mean, it's not very hard to jump to conclusions immediately, to confront them, to say like, what's going on, or I went through your phone, or this, or that. Then again, though, not everybody has the same personality. Sometimes people just would rather live either in denial, or kind of just like bite the bullet and be like, oh, okay, we'll get through this. Almost convince yourself that you're the crazy one, that it's all in your head, that you're paranoid, and that there's no way that the person you love would ever do something like this to you. Because sometimes the truth is a lot harder of a pill to swallow, so it's easier to just be in denial about it. But here's the ironic thing about this situation. Nathaniel was the one having the affair.

• 19:04Annie Elise?

  He was also the paranoid one, not Irma Linda. So as you can guess, this wasn't really a great mix, like at all, for anybody involved. Because for Nathaniel, the cracks were showing, big time. As the affair went on, he started questioning everyone around him, even Zarida. He wanted to know if she was all in, if she still loved him, if she was up to something, if she was maybe dating him in secret for the wrong reasons. He just started getting hyper paranoid. And what's that expression that anyone who, I don't even know what the expression is, but you, you're gonna get where I'm going with this. Where if somebody's cheating, and they're the ones always up in their partner's business, accusing them of cheating, or accusing them of being shady, it's because they're the ones who have the guilty conscience. That's kind of what was going on here. And I think I know the expression I was thinking of,

• 19:48Annie Elise?

  like, if you point the finger at somebody, you have three more pointing back at you, which I know that's so loser and cliche, but it's true, right? How many times have we seen that happen? So that's kind of where Nathaniel was. He was already paranoid by nature. But now he's having this affair and he's getting even more hyper paranoid, thinking, Zarida, are you still with me for the right reasons? Are you using me for something? Are you talking to people? Like, thinking everybody's turning against him when like, what's the lyric to that song? Like, no, bro, you're the problem. It's you. Like, you are the one who is driving the ship on all this, steering the ship. And like, it's you. Man, I need to lay off these expressions. I'm getting carried away today. Okay, so one thing's for sure in all of this. Like, almost 100% of affairs that happened, it was not going to be sustainable.

• 20:31Annie Elise?

  It was only a matter of time before somebody slipped up or something gave way, right? I mean, we've seen how these things can snowball. And let's be real, affairs and secrecy rarely end with everybody walking away and living some happily ever after. It usually ends in either heartbreak, disaster, murder, or all of the above. And if you thought that Nathaniel's paranoia was already, you know, skyrocketing and off the charts, buckle up, because this is where things start to get even stranger, if you can believe that, like, really strange. So somewhere in the middle of juggling his double life, you know, keeping Irma Linda at bay and sneaking around with Zarida, Nathaniel started getting these very bizarre Facebook messages.

• 21:14Annie Elise?

  And not the kind that you can easily ignore either. I mean, these weren't spam messages about extending a car warranty or a Nigerian prince looking for a relationship and all you gotta do is give him a little quick bank transfer. These messages were personal and specific enough to send a chill down anyone's spine. The person reaching out claimed to be somebody with connections to Zarida. And they said that they had information that Nathaniel needed to No, and this information was not good. The messages were hinting at Zoraida being involved in some very dangerous activity. I mean criminal organizations, shady dealings, drug cartel kind of stuff, like some really scary stuff. I mean, things that would really make anyone second guess who the hell they were sneaking

• 21:58Annie Elise?

  around with, who the hell have I been sleeping with, who have I been dating with, like who is this person? And to Nathaniel, this didn't sound anything like the woman that he knew. But the messages didn't stop there. Whoever was sending them made it clear that they were watching Nathaniel too. They knew about his affair, his late night meetups, the secrets that he was keeping. And imagine already being a paranoid person convinced that the world is out to get you. Then on top of that, you're getting these cryptic messages along the lines of like, I know what you've done, you think you're safe, but you're not. That kind of thing would make anybody freak out a little bit, right? Especially if you're already paranoid. But who was this person who was messaging him?

• 22:44Annie Elise?

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• 23:48Annie Elise?

  So the person in these messages said that they had knowledge of Zoraida's alleged, quote, "dangerous connections." And they claimed that the reason they were sending these messages and warning Nathaniel was because they were really looking out for him. Basically, like, they were trying to warn him about something before it was too late. And that it all had to do with Zoraida. She was the root cause of this. Now, some people might get these kinds of messages and think, "Okay, this is obviously a prank. This is somebody who's just trying to, you know, play with me a little bit, to make me scared. There's no way that this could actually be reality. There's no way any of these allegations are true." But either way, you would try to figure out what was going on, right? Was there any truth to it? Who's sending the messages? But for Nathaniel, it turned out to be like a full-blown crisis for him.

• 24:33Annie Elise?

  See, over time, Nathaniel didn't just believe that he was being threatened. He actually started to believe that maybe he was mixed up in some really scary cartel stuff. As in, a Mexican drug cartel. And these messages that he was getting, they weren't just random warnings. The sender actually claimed to be somebody who was very high up in the dangerous cartel. And this person now told Nathaniel that he was working for them now. That he was caught in their web, whether he liked it or not, and he had no option to escape. And they really painted this picture of Nathaniel as a key player in their entire operation. Somebody who had responsibilities, and even worse than that, somebody who had consequences if he didn't follow through with them.

• 25:16Annie Elise?

  Now, at first, all of that might have seemed a little far-fetched. I mean, to you and me, we're probably like, "Okay, I would put this person on, leave them on red, mark them as spam, and like, move on with my life." But Nathaniel bought into it, for whatever reason, and it was almost like he wanted to buy into it, like, he thrived off the drama of it all. And he started acting like he was a part of this world, a part of this dangerous cartel world, believing that these drug lords were all the ones pulling the strings all around And even more than that, he started believing that his life truly was in danger. So it wasn't just paranoia anymore. He somehow convinced himself that he was in the middle of this big horrible organization and that it was deadly and that he played such a pivotal role in it.

• 26:01Annie Elise?

  And when you start believing something like that, it's easy to see that you might stop thinking clearly. And if there was one thing that Nathaniel was good at, it was definitely overthinking. He was definitely not the type of person to just shrug things off and move on with his day. So these messages took up permanent space in his brain, making him even more suspicious of everybody around him. Who could he trust? Who was watching? And more importantly, why? So these messages started freaking him out so much that Nathaniel started stockpiling guns, not just one or two for home protection or for personal protection, but at least 13, ranging all the way from handguns to semi-automatic rifles. And this wasn't something that he kept subtle either.

• 26:46Annie Elise?

  I mean, friends and acquaintances said that Nathaniel had this growing obsession with self-defense and just being prepared and being, quote, "ready for anything." And he started spending more times at shooting ranges and playing around with these weapons, almost like he was preparing for something. So was it just a reflection of his growing paranoia? Or did Nathaniel genuinely believe that he was in danger? And where does his fiance, Irma Linda, fit into all of this? I mean, did she know about some of these messages? Because you would think that it would be really difficult for Nathaniel to keep these messages from her. And who was this person? Who was this person that was lurking in the online shadows, claiming to know all of this stuff about Nathaniel and Zarida? And what did the messages really say?

• 27:29Annie Elise?

  We do know that whoever was sending Nathaniel these messages had somehow convinced him that he was involved with an international drug cartel. And like I said, the messages didn't stop there either. They made it sound like Zarida was plotting something significant, something that would put Nathaniel at risk. In these messages, there were all these different implications of betrayal and double dealing and how she was involved in. Which it all sounds so ridiculous and unbelievable and like lifetime movie, I know. But these were real messages being sent by somebody who seemed to know a lot about Nathaniel's life, like a scary amount about his life. And some of these messages convinced Nathaniel that these cartels were constantly watching

• 28:09Annie Elise?

  him, watching his loyalty, his trustworthiness, making sure that if push came to shove, he would always be loyal to the cartel. He would put them above himself and above others. And he would also get these weird messages on occasion that would encourage him to stop cheating on his fiancee or Melinda. Some messages even going as far as to tell him, hey, not only stop cheating on her, but you need to go and have sex with her, like very personal, direct messages. But Nathaniel wasn't the only person getting weird messages in all of this. Apparently Alberto, Zarida's husband, had also been contacted numerous times by some of these, you know, same people, this same organization, the same ones reaching out to Nathaniel.

• 28:50Annie Elise?

  One message that Alberto received was on June 27th, 2023, and it said, quote, "I don't believe Zarida believes my warnings, and for the safety of your family, she really needs to be honest with you. Nathaniel has rifles and guns that he carries with him. The mother of your children is putting them in danger, and she knows this." So if Alberto got a message like this, then it meant that he was definitely aware of the affair, right? I mean, these messages reference Zarida being involved with Nathaniel. We just don't know if Alberto believed these messages or not. Now, one of the central claims of the person sending these cryptic messages to Nathaniel was that not only was Zarida shady, but she was also only involved with him because she

• 29:33Annie Elise?

  was out to get him, that this was all a setup, this was all a plot, a ploy, a big scheme of hers, that she really didn't care about him at all. It was all done intentionally. Now, in messages to Nathaniel that he received on September 14th, 2023, the sender claimed something very, very weird in this. This so-called cartel head man, head honcho, whatever you would call it, made a very wild claim about Zarida. They said that she was working with the cartel against Nathaniel, which you're probably wondering the same thing that I was. What did this person mean? I mean, working against him? What does that even mean? It sounds like a bad scripted movie, right? But they said that Zarida wasn't who Nathaniel thought that she was. Apparently, according to them, she was a mole. This was all a

• 30:19Annie Elise?

  This was all a ploy. It was someone who was intentionally working to double cross Nathaniel, to blow his cover with the cartel. Because remember, at this point, he actually believes he's working with the cartel. He believes that he's like roped in with them. And now she's a mole that has been planted, and she's working against him to expose him. I mean, it's wild. It feels like a movie. So essentially, this meant that this whole time that he had been in this secret relationship with her, she had ulterior motives. She had been out to get him. The messages also went on to describe Zoraida's home in incredible detail. I mean, we're talking specifics about who lived there, who was in the house, including her husband Alberto, their two children, even the number and types of breed of the

• 31:01Annie Elise?

  dogs that they had. It's eerie, right? I mean, whoever was sending these messages wasn't just throwing out vague information, hoping it would stick or be applicable to whoever they were talking about. They had proof that they knew what was going on in Nathaniel's life, and they had proof over a lot of details about the people involved in his life. So, now Nathaniel's paranoia, it's starting to make a little bit more sense, right? Thinking that you're being watched by cartels is pretty freaking terrifying. That's one of the reasons I never even really will cover a cartel case, because I'm too scared. I live too close to the border. Like, I'm not going near that stuff. Now, it's also worth considering the detailed knowledge that was included in those messages. How did the sender know so much about where Zoraida lived? Was it somebody on the inside? Somebody who had

• 31:46Annie Elise?

  access to that information? These kinds of specifics just feel intimate in a way, almost like it came from somebody very close to the situation. So then it begs the question, what if it was the husband, Alberto? I mean, think about it. If he found out about the affair with his wife and Nathaniel, then it's easy to see how he could want to possibly mess with Nathaniel's head, screw up his head, and maybe even do it in an extreme way. Maybe even scare him off, so that he would stop talking to his wife. Maybe he was laying the groundwork to set up some sort of trap and attack him. I don't know. I mean, was it all some sort of messed up plan to confront Nathaniel and Zoraida in some super awkward? Or like "got you" moment, or "I set you up" moment. Or again, could he have just been trying to scare him away?

• 32:30Annie Elise?

  Being like, "let me spook him and let him know that Zaraida's involved in all this shady stuff and all these shady people and maybe he'll ditch her and ghost her and never want to be with her again." Maybe that was the entire goal. To push Nathaniel to cut ties with Zaraida without things escalating further. Or what if this entire situation was orchestrated by Nathaniel and Zaraida themselves? What if Zaraida and Nathaniel wanted to create the illusion of being targeted by these so-called "dangerous forces" or "cartel people," all to justify running away together and living happily ever after like Bonnie and Clyde? I mean, think about it. If both of them were feeling trapped in their respective lives, Nathaniel engaged to Irma Linda and Zaraida tied to her family, this could have been their fantasy way of escaping that.

• 33:15Annie Elise?

  They plant the idea that somebody is out to get them, sending these ominous messages to set the stage for them to flee, to leave together. I mean, the cartel and the Bulgarian crime angles are definitely insanely dramatic, which could have been a part of their strategy. If their families truly believed that they were in danger, it might have made their eventual disappearance seem more understandable, almost even inevitable. These messages could have been designed strategically to raise fear, to raise suspicion. And let's also not overlook the possibility that this was their way of deflecting blame. If the story became more about some secretive, shady organization that was targeting them and not so much about them having this secretive affair, then it might have covered up their real motivations to get away together.

• 33:59Annie Elise?

  Well, the answer to all of those questions, at least to some of them, would come on September 17th, 2023, when the police responded to a welfare check in Romeo Ville, Illinois, a city that is 40 minutes south of where Nathaniel was from. And as the police entered the home that day, they were shocked at what they discovered. There were four dead bodies and three dead dogs, all shot to death.

• 34:30Annie Elise?

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• 35:15Annie Elise?

  you, not only was it the best decision of my life, I now have like service in places my husband doesn't even have service, but it was so easy. It took me 15 minutes, kept my phone, kept my phone number, it was the best. So for a new wireless plan starting at 15 bucks a month, go to mintmobile.com/ae. That's mintmobile.com/ae. $45 upfront payment required, equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first three-month plan only. Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details.

• 35:51Annie Elise?

  So when the police entered this house on September 17th, 2023, there were four dead bodies right there in front of them. This one was open. No, it's not.

• 36:02Speaker 06

  Oh, oh God. Dogs are dead. Two dead dogs. I need more units here. Hold this.

• 36:13Speaker 06

  350.

• 36:18Speaker 06

  I got two dead dogs. TV's knocked over and a cocktail knocked over in the furrow.

• 36:25Annie Elise?

  But who were they? What happened? And most importantly, why would somebody do this? And maybe the biggest question of all, who would do this? The police initially had responded to a wellness check at this house because some people who lived inside the home hadn't shown up for work that day. Their families were also having a difficult time getting a hold of them, which is why they called in this wellness check. Well, the home that the police entered that day belonged to Zarida and Alberto. And as the investigator got inside the house to take a look around, what they saw was something that still haunts them to this day. Two adults, two kids, and three dogs just found dead right in front of them from gunshot wounds.

• 37:06Annie Elise?

  The victims were Zarida, her husband Alberto, and their two children, Adrielle and Diego, who were just nine and seven years old. The family's pets had also been killed in the same way, with a gun. Now whoever did this must have used a silencer because nobody that lived around them ever heard any of the gunshots or any of the commotion that had been happening that day.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  Neighbors did not report hearing any gunshots during the time the Romeo Ville family of four and their three dogs would have been shot to death.

• 37:35Annie Elise?

  Now this scene, just imagining it, is horrifying because this was supposed to be a home, a safe home, a family's home. And an entire family was just murdered, along with their pets. A family that to everyone around them seemed to be living a very normal life. And I obviously, of course, can't stop thinking about the kids in this. I mean, obviously, nobody deserves to die like that. But kids in this? I mean, it is just so disgusting. And killing kids in this sort of way does kind of have the marking of a cartel to it. So first, the cops noticed that there were some odd details right off the bat. Police saw a crack in one of the windows, and when they peeked inside, furniture was

• 38:19Annie Elise?

  overturned, which gave the impression of either a struggle or some sort of break-in. But here's the thing, to the police, this overturned furniture, it looked staged. Screens on the windows had been deliberately cut as well, and even Stranger, there was spray paint on the walls. So it seemed like someone really wanted to make it look like this was a random crime. Maybe the work of vandals, or teenagers, or robbers, who knows? Cops also noted that the door to the kitchen had been unlocked. So you would think that a criminal would probably check the doors first instead of cutting screens that were on the window. So that was another clue that this crime scene appeared to be staged. The killer probably did just waltz right in.

• 39:01Annie Elise?

  And if the cops' theory was true, that the crime scene had actually been staged, what did that mean about who did this? If that was the case, then obviously, this wasn't just someone who was angry or impulsive. They had been planning ahead, trying to carefully craft how they could throw everybody off their radar and get away with it. But who would want this family dead? And why? Now, I know you're probably all thinking the same thing that I am, wondering where Nathaniel was during all of this. Was he safe? Had somebody gotten to him too? Did the cartel finally catch up to both of them? Or maybe, could he have been somehow involved in this seriously disturbing crime? So after the cops did their initial investigation, they connected Nathaniel and Zarida's affair pretty quickly. So of course, they had to go look at Nathaniel for questioning.

• 39:46Annie Elise?

  They knew that there was a connection, they knew that they had had an affair, and they also wanted to question the fiance, Irma Linda too. How often do we talk about a lover scorned? Now, at this point, they didn't have any evidence that any of them were involved. But questioning is pretty standard procedure in a situation like this. I mean, when somebody's been murdered, you start by talking with the people who knew them, who were involved with them, who might have had a reason to want to see them hurt, right? Especially if there's something suspicious about them. And the affair between the two of them, I mean, that hit the bill. That was like a solid checkmark. We need to talk to this guy. So when police talked with his fiance, Irma Linda, she told the investigators that she didn't really know Zarida personally, only that Nathaniel and Zarida worked together. That's it. That's all she knew.

• 40:31Annie Elise?

  No drama, no elaborate backstory, just a simple, you know, we're not that close. And she didn't seem particularly nervous or rattled, or at least that's not how it came across. It was all pretty straightforward on her end. It wasn't even clear if she knew that Nathaniel was having an affair or not. And here's a bit from her interview with the police.

• 40:50Speaker 06

  Hello. Hi, I'm Malinda. My name is Detective Garcia. From the Romo Police Department, this is Detective Wagner.

• 41:00Speaker 06

  I know you know what's going on and why you were here. Okay. Um. I know you were talking on the phone with your husband right now. How's your boyfriend? He's a support. Okay, does he live here with you? How long have you guys been together? Two thousand fifteen. Okay. We're investigating a murder.

• 41:24Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 41:26Speaker 06

  So. We have in our procession some phones, okay? And in those phones, we're doing what it's called the phone dump. So what happens is if anybody's talking on a text app that you can download, for example, Text Now, we can retrieve those messages. Okay. We have retrieved those messages, alright, we've read them. They're pretty clear that somebody's pretty upset at, at, uh, at the victim, okay? Is there any way that these text messages are gonna come back to you? Or your name, or your phone, or anything associated with that?

• 42:07Annie Elise?

  And then when she was questioned about where Nathaniel was the night of the murders, Armalinda went on to say that he was definitely at home, he had a rock solid alibi. Now, I will say Nathaniel's interview was a little more interesting because cops went to interview him at his place of work and immediately he denied having anything to do with the murders. However, he did admit to having the affair with Zarida and I'm gonna play you a little bit of the police explaining to him that they needed to see his phone because saying, you know, "We need to see your phone, we need to mark you off our suspect list, it's protocol, like, let us just see your phone." Take a listen.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  I mean, if, if we have a, a deceased girl and her last slang or boyfriend or whatever is you, and, and I'm sure that, that, you know, if, if you're an outsider looking in, who do, who's your suspect? That mean? And so I'd like to eliminate that, I'd like to say, "Well, we went, we looked through stuff, he didn't have nothing to do with it, we're done with it."

• 43:10Speaker 06

  What they going?

• 43:12Speaker 03

  I agree with you, but, but again, there's, um, it, it takes, it would take us, you know, a couple hours to pull information off the phone. They could eliminate you as a suspect right from the start. It's up to you.

• 43:29Annie Elise?

  Not very enthusiastic, right? And also when the police asked him if he would take a polygraph test, he just said, I guess, which is kind of giving scared, honestly, in my opinion. And he actually ended up not giving the police his phone that day. However, he did promise that he would drop it off to them later on. And here's a little bit more of that interview with Nathaniel.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  I'm not trying to ruin your marriage, your life. So not like I'm gonna, you know, I would try to keep this, if we can, you know, from just with us in this room talking, but we're trying to figure out what happened at that house.

• 44:07Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  Um, if she ever told you about any other, like romantic relationships you had, um, out of her marriage?

• 44:18Annie Elise?

  He or?

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Her. That is a day. Did she say her husband cheating on her? Or is she saying she ever in the past? When you leave this room, we're not calling you work, anything. It's none of their business. This is our conversation. So it's up to you, whatever you want to tell them. Um, obviously we talked to her family. We talked to friends and stuff. Hence why we're here. And that's why we're sitting in this room talking to you. And like, I gotta ask, do you have anything to do with this? Okay, you know, I have to ask. And you know that your number is going to be in her phone. And we're going to find your text messages and we're going to find that stuff. And I want to get surprised later on that you guys are fighting or that there was something going on between you two or just three of you that I don't know about, you know?

• 45:00Annie Elise?

  Nobody was threatening anybody.

• 45:07Annie Elise?

  Very sad, like, angry, you know, this day.

• 45:12Annie Elise?

  Now, at this stage, it was all just preliminary. The police were gathering information. They Connecting the dots, they were trying to piece together what had happened to Zaraida and her family, and they obviously wanted to get her family and her children justice. But they also didn't really have any evidence at this point, so nobody was officially named as a suspect. Instead, their investigation just continued. But then, a few days later, somebody else close to this story was suddenly reported missing. A family member of Irma Linda's called the police to report that they hadn't seen her in days. And not only that, but they said that she was possibly in danger. And now, hold on tight, everybody, because this was the event that was about to kick

• 45:56Annie Elise?

  off the start of the wildest true crime twist that you have heard in a minute. So with Irma Linda missing, the cops started piecing together more evidence as to what actually went down in Zaraida's home that day that her and her family were so brutally murdered. And they eventually were able to name an official suspect. So, let's get into more about what the cops found inside that home. When the cops were searching the crime scene, they found 9mm shell casings scattered near the bodies. And the investigators later matched them to a handgun that was associated with none other than Nathaniel. And this was a significant link, because they matched the weapon to the shell casing, so that meant that, you know, they had their guy, they had their weapon, unless, of course, the gun was stolen. But that wasn't all they found.

• 46:41Annie Elise?

  Surveillance footage played a massive role in the police building their case as well. Security cameras in the area captured Nathaniel's vehicle arriving at Zaraida's home at 3:17 a.m. on the night of the murders. And Nathaniel was seen on footage, exiting the car from the passenger side, which is very important, because it suggested that somebody else was driving. So a little bit of time passes, and then he gets back into the car, and the vehicle leaves the scene. Later, additional footage showed the car heading back to Nathaniel's house in Streamwood. Now, cops also used license plate recognition cameras and tollway records so that they could track the car's route, see exactly where it went, and he stops along the way. And then, there was also, of course, his phone.

• 47:24Annie Elise?

  And the investigators dug into Nathaniel's phone records, and- They found that his device pinged from cell towers that were in that area at the time of the murders. So this further confirmed that he was there. And it's not like these pings were very vague either, because cell tower data can pinpoint a person's general location with surprising accuracy, especially when you pair it with surveillance footage. And remember, one of the more chilling aspects of this case was the level of detail involved. The person, or persons, behind the murders seemed to know the victims. There were no signs of a legit break-in, no signs of a robbery, nothing suggesting that the person who was there had not been either let in or had easy access.

• 48:07Annie Elise?

  So this made the connection to Nathaniel even more suspicious. He wasn't just some random guy. He had worked with Zerida. He was having a secret affair with her. He knew her. So with all of the evidence, it seemed to be stacking up against Nathaniel. And it was officially time to point the finger at him, bring him in, and name him as a suspect. There was only one problem in all of this. Nathaniel was nowhere to be found. And neither was Irma Linda. So with the main suspect in this quadruple murder, officially MIA, the police issued a statewide manhunt for him. The bulletin went out very quickly, alerting neighboring states that they all needed to be on the lookout for Nathaniel and for Irma Linda too.

• 48:50Annie Elise?

  And they were described as being armed and dangerous, which isn't the kind of thing that you hear every day in a suburban town of Illinois. So the story caught on quickly, making national news all around the country. Now, obviously, in this manhunt, there was also, of course, concern for Irma Linda too, because was she wrapped up in something crazy just because of Nathaniel? Did he kidnap her because she figured it all out? I mean, where could they have gone? And though it seems like it was super easy to track Nathaniel to the crime scene, this time, it was a little Harder to find him, at least initially. He didn't leave much of a trail. However, technology once again played a massive role in tracking him down, especially thanks to something called a flock camera system.

• 49:32Annie Elise?

  Now, apparently, this type of system is used in cities across the country. Not every public place has them, but a lot of them do. And it's basically a license plate reader camera system that can connect to other cameras throughout the country, and then it can pinpoint the direction that a certain car is moving. So, for example, when Nathaniel fled, the cops put his license plate into the flock system, and they got a hit. They got a match. And it turns out that Nathaniel wasn't even in Illinois anymore. He was on his way across the country. In fact, the cops pretty quickly got a hit that the camera system showed Nathaniel had pretty quickly made it to Oklahoma. I mean, he was definitely on the run. So, law enforcement agencies across the region

• 50:15Annie Elise?

  all pooled resources together so that they could locate him. And then finally, on September 20th, 2023, four days after the murders went down, a camera caught Nathaniel at a Walmart in Oklahoma. Surveillance footage from inside the store confirmed that it was Nathaniel. And it wasn't just him. Somebody else was there with him too, Irma Linda. It turns out she wasn't really missing. I mean, at least the smile on her face in the footage didn't really seem to scream, you know, "Help, I've been taken against my will. I'm a victim in all of this." And the footage is pretty gross, honestly, because these two people are just like wandering the aisles. They're looking at makeup. They're shopping side by side for electronics. They're exiting the store with smiles on their faces, which is kind of just like, "Uh, what the hell?

• 51:01Annie Elise?

  One, or maybe even both of you, just murdered four people, including two children." It is so disturbing. They just were acting in this footage like they didn't have a single care in the world. Now thankfully, the cops were able to catch up to Nathaniel and Irma Linda. But when they did, the pair did not exactly surrender easily. Instead, Nathaniel sped off, leading officers on a super dangerous high-speed chase. But eventually Nathaniel crashed into a median, and that finally brought their Bonnie and Clyde... Side style moment to an end, but it wasn't the ending that the cops were expecting. Because the vehicle went up in flames in this truly chaotic scene. And after the crash happened, the police then like surrounded the SUV and basically did the, you know, come out with your hands up, get out now, surrender, all those types of things.

• 51:46Annie Elise?

  The couple flees Illinois, leading to a nationwide manhunt. Initially, police believed that Irma Linda might have been an abduction victim as she was reported missing by her family. But it soon becomes clear that she was complicit in the crime and had fled willingly with her fiance. But no one came out. Nathaniel and Irma Linda weren't listening to any of the commands that the police were instructing, which I gotta say is pretty crazy because there's no way that you're getting away when you're surrounded by police and your getaway car is literally going up in flames. So the cops just continued shouting at Nathaniel and Irma Linda. But then they suddenly heard something that would change the course of this entire investigation and the case for good. Because two gunshots came from inside Nathaniel's SUV.

• 52:32Annie Elise?

  Now at first, the cops weren't sure if the shots were directed at them, at somebody inside of the car, or if maybe they were in an attempt to self harm. So with guns drawn, they moved in on the vehicle closer. But as they did, they were just met with more silence. And through the shattered windows, the police could see two figures slumped inside the vehicle and they could see a lot of blood. One of them was motionless, clearly dead. However, the other one was showing signs of life, some slight movement. So what exactly happened inside that car? Now, from the looks of it, Nathaniel had shot Irma Linda, then turned the gun on himself. And he was successful in taking his own life, but not Irma Linda. Irma Linda survived, but was clearly in critical condition.

• 53:17Annie Elise?

  So an ambulance was called and rushed her to a nearby hospital. But unfortunately, she didn't make it long. Irma Linda also died shortly after the crash went down. So what the heck happened here? Was Irma Linda in on this whole thing? Why did Nathaniel kill her in addition to himself? Where does the cartel and all of those weird messages play into all of this? Like, what is going on with the main suspect? Nathaniel dead now too, as well as the person who knew him best, Irma Linda. There wasn't anybody alive who could corroborate what happened or even why the murders were committed. What could have possibly gone down? Although I think it's fair to say, especially given the high speed chase, he definitely looked good for these murders, right? He looked very guilty and you get into all of that footage.

• 54:01Annie Elise?

  And let's get into what was revealed after this insane police chase and this crash that left two more people dead in this very complex case. Because the craziest thing about this case isn't even really the murders themselves, but rather who was behind them? And the strings that this person pulled to make everything happen. So by now we know that all of the evidence had began to stack up, right? I mean, it became pretty clear that Nathaniel was the one who killed Zaraida, killed her husband, killed their children, killed their pets, then killed himself and killed his fiance, Irma Linda. But as it turns out, as the investigation continued, there was somebody else working behind the scenes that allegedly made Nathaniel carry out these murders.

• 54:45Annie Elise?

  And he had absolutely no idea that this person was the actual mastermind behind all of it.

• 54:57Annie Elise?

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• 55:36Annie Elise?

  So let's start with this. What was Nathaniel's motives for the murders? Well, it turns out that the mastermind behind the entire thing was none other than his fiance, Irma Linda. And allegedly Nathaniel did not have a single clue. Now, let's back up to the very beginning because it turns out that Irma Linda did eventually find out that Nathaniel was cheating on her with Zoraida. But she didn't confront him in any typical way. There was no arguments, no dramatic ultimatums, nothing like that. Instead, she decided to craft a plan so bizarre that it could have come from a twisted psychological thriller movie. Irma Linda began creating fake online personas and then she started messaging Nathaniel

• 56:20Annie Elise?

  from these accounts, essentially catfishing him. So remember those messages about being involved with a cartel? It was Irma Linda. She apparently had convinced Nathaniel that he was working with the cartel in some massive conspiracy. And he took it seriously. Because remember, he was somebody who wanted to believe that he was a part of something bigger, no matter how insane it sounded. And obviously Irma Linda really played into that. She took full advantage of his paranoia. Because honestly, if somebody sent you or me a message like that, I feel like I hope it's safe to say that we would never believe it. I know I would never believe it. I hope you would never believe it. Like, I always say, I would love to join a cult because I would want to see if they could convince me of what they're trying to push and what

• 57:04Annie Elise?

  they're trying to sell. But then I get a little scared that they actually might be successful, even though I like to think they wouldn't. But like, this situation, I don't think anybody could convince me that I was actively working for the cartel if I wasn't. That just feels like a very big stretch, right? And we're also not just talking about one Facebook profile here or there. Irma Linda made several. She was posing as drug lords. She was posing as other high-ups in the organization. She was posing as all sorts of different key players, all to help get Nathaniel to buy into this scheme. And some of the messages that she sent were honestly kind of ridiculous. If you were to think that a cartel leader was actually sending these messages because remember

• 57:46Annie Elise?

  in some of these messages she was telling Nathaniel that not only does he need to stop cheating on Irma Linda, but that he also needs to go have sex with her, that he needs to stop talking to other chicks and he needs to go have sex with his fiance, which was herself. She was saying this about herself, which is so crazy when you step back and think that Irma Linda was the one who orchestrated this entire thing. And how she pulled it off? I mean, how did Nathaniel not have any idea? He had been with her for nearly a decade at this point. And he didn't know that she was the one doing all of this? And the entire cartel persona, it's just not even believable. It makes no sense. And then you go a step further and think about all of those messages that Zarida's husband Alberto received.

• 58:31Annie Elise?

  All of those messages came from Irma Linda too, which a lot of them had very descriptive detail as to their house, their pets, the breeds, which means she was watching them very closely. She knew everything about that family. That is very scary. Now, if you'll remember on June 27th, 2023, which was just a few months before the murders, Irma Linda had sent some messages to Alberto and one of them said, "I don't believe she believes my warnings. And for the safety of your family, she really needs to be honest with you. Nathaniel has rifles and guns that he carries with him. The mother of your children is putting them in danger and she knows this." Then, just a couple of weeks before the murders went down, she messaged Alberto again,

• 59:15Annie Elise?

  this time saying, "This will be the last I say of this Alberto. This stupid girl will be the reason that you have no children." Now, apparently in all of this, Zarida had also mentioned to a coworker that at one point she was receiving threatening and harassing text messages and that she was starting to get scared too. So it seems like Irma Linda was contacting all of them, all three of them at different points in this. But even though the family was being targeted by Irma Linda and all of her fake profiles, nobody ever reported anything. And I can maybe understand Nathaniel not reporting it if he truly believed that he like an idiot that he was a part of this organization and that he was working for the cartel. But it's honestly a little surprising to me that the messages to Zarida and her family

• 59:59Annie Elise?

  all went unreported, especially the messages that mentioned the kids. I mean, yes, they sound crazy, but anytime somebody brings up specifics like that or brings up children or anything like that, I mean, I think it deserves to be taken way more seriously from the jump. Then eventually, just a couple of days before the murders, Irma Linda sent Nathaniel those messages about Zarida being a mole, that she was all a part of this scheme, that she never cared about him, that she was just doing the dirty work for the cartel because she was trying to attack him. And even going further, as this now posing as this cartel leader, Irma Linda was, and she said, not only is Zarida a mole, but she and her family need to be killed for the sake of the protection and the privacy of the cartel.

• 1:00:44Annie Elise?

  And remember, Nathaniel believed he was working for the cartel. So now he's hearing in his mind that his secret lover is not only a mole that has been planted and is trying to go against him, but now he's getting direct orders from his boss, his drug lord, that her and her family need to be taken out because he needs to be the one to step in and protect the cartel. So on September 16th, 2023, Nathaniel finally acted on all of those lies that he chose to believe. And Irma Linda was the one who drove Nathaniel to Zarida's house. So not only did she set up the whole thing secretly, but now she was actively involved in the actual murders with Nathaniel.

• 1:01:25Annie Elise?

  And once they arrived, Nathaniel went inside while Irma Linda stayed behind in the car. According to police reports, Nathaniel just walked right into the home and shot two of the dogs, right there, right first in the kitchen. Then Alberto came out of his room when he heard that noise. So Nathaniel began firing shots at him. Alberto tried so hard to get to his wife and to his two kids, but he couldn't make it. And after shooting Alberto, Nathaniel went into the bedroom where Zarida and her two kids were. First, Nathaniel started firing the shots through the bedroom. But then he went in because he wanted to make sure that everybody was dead, including another family dog. Before Nathaniel left, he then spray painted the walls and he overturned some of the furniture

• 1:02:09Annie Elise?

  so that it could all apparently trying to make it look like somebody had broken in so that it would throw the investigators off and look like it was some sort of typical teenage shenanigans or, you know, a robbery gone wrong, robbery that was messy, which I don't know how he thought he was going to fool anybody, but he did. Now, because the cops eventually got access to Nathaniel's car system and saw on security footage Nathaniel getting in and out on the passenger side of the car, they knew that Irma Linda drove them both home after leaving Zoraida's house that day. And get this, after he killed Zoraida's entire family, one of the first things that Nathaniel did was message those fake accounts, telling them that he essentially completed his assignment,

• 1:02:51Annie Elise?

  that, you know, case closed, the job was done. However, he said that he forgot to take Alberto and Zoraida's phones from the house. Then the next day Nathaniel and Irma Linda went on with their lives like nothing even happened. Nathaniel went to work like it was any other regular day, and remember, police did interview him that very next day while he was working, they just didn't have all their ducks in a row to arrest him yet, and apparently they even asked to search his SUV, but he declined. Now, since they didn't have a warrant, he was well within his rights to do so, and so they did not search it. But it sounds like from the get-go, the police knew that Nathaniel was the person who was responsible for this.

• 1:03:30Annie Elise?

  But they had no idea that Irma Linda was involved in this, or how much she truly orchestrated in all of this until way later on. But apparently Nathaniel figured out that the cops were on to him, so that's why he and Irma Linda eventually fled their home in Streamwood.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  The report states that Huey was aware police were investigating him for the Quateroople killing, and at one point, he followed investigators while driving recklessly.

• 1:03:56Annie Elise?

  Now, before they officially left town, the two of them went into a target, and there Nathaniel met up with his mother, which apparently he confessed to her what happened. He confessed that he was the one who committed the murders. I don't know if it was to try and clear his conscience, or maybe because he knew the cops were on to him. I don't really know. But he also allegedly told his mother that he killed the children because he thought that it was better for them, that he was like showing a sign of mercy because it would be better than living without parents. So that it was a mercy kill. And that's the only reason he killed the children. Which, let's just talk about how sick and twisted that is. I mean, there is nothing merciful about that. You don't kill two children because you think, quote, "they're better off." I mean, give

• 1:04:37Annie Elise?

  me a break. And then after that meeting, Irma Linda and Nathaniel were just gone. And her family, of course, as we know, reported her as missing and as an endangered person. The cops identified Irma Linda as that missing endangered person, but they also said that it didn't look like she was ever being held against her will or taken against her will. They think that she was an active participant. Then, as we know, after the vehicle crashed, the fire started. And cops think that maybe Nathaniel actually did that, that the whole scene was pure chaos. The entire SUV just became engulfed in like this massive fireball, making it way too dangerous for the cops who were on the scene as well. The cops had to literally bust open the window with a baton to get inside and try to get Irma

• 1:05:19Annie Elise?

  Linda and Nathaniel out. Then, as we know, those two gunshots rang outside of the car, and Nathaniel had shot Irma Linda and then himself. So one of the big questions, of course, is what drove Nathaniel to do it? I mean, on the surface, maybe it was his belief that he was in danger and needed to protect himself, but to all the knowledge that the cops have, they don't believe that Nathaniel ever found out that Irma Linda was the one behind these accounts. So he still thought that he was carrying out this horrific, brutal execution, all in the name of the cartel, to protect his loving cartel that he worked for, to protect himself. I mean, how crazy and twisted is that? Now, Irma Linda obviously preyed on his insecurities and his paranoia, doing it in a way that

• 1:06:04Annie Elise?

  really pushed him over the edge. But honestly, I think that we can all agree that this was an edge that he went over way too willingly. You can't just push someone that far and them not have any sort of responsibility or accountability with it. And I think for me, one The most chilling parts about this case is that Irma Linda never pulled the trigger, but she orchestrated every single piece of the plan. It was her lies and her manipulation that turned Nathaniel into a murderer. And even scarier is the fact that it really didn't take much for him to do it. But I also can't wrap my mind around what her mentality was in all of this. Like, was she truly trying to just maybe scare him so that he would leave Zarida?

• 1:06:47Annie Elise?

  Similar to how he said was it Alberto who was sending these messages because he wanted to scare him off? Like, why orchestrate such a calculated, complex plan where four people end up dead because of an affair? I mean, I'm not trying to say this in a lighthearted way, but like we all say, just get a divorce. And they weren't even married at this point. They were just engaged. Like, leave him. Why are you orchestrating this insane, crazy thing? Or was she unwell? I mean, I don't even know where to begin trying to wrap my mind around this. Plenty of people deal with jealousy, betrayal, you know, heartbreak every single day, and they don't resort to murder, let alone dragging other people into their twisted schemes.

• 1:07:28Annie Elise?

  And unlike other murders, sadly Zarida's family and friends won't ever get any justice for their loved ones with a trial happening because both Nathaniel and Irma Linda are gone and the case is officially closed. So for Zarida's grieving family, that means no closure, no opportunity to confront the people responsible for this, and no real answers as to why this horror even happened in the first place. And I'm also just so angry that the cops couldn't arrest Irma Linda and Nathaniel before it came to this because it seems like they knew immediately that it was him who killed the family. So I wish those messages had been reported to the authorities before any of this went down because maybe then those little kids would have had a chance to grow up and live life.

• 1:08:10Annie Elise?

  In all of this, though, none of Zarida's family deserved what happened to them, especially the children. And here's how the cops explained away how they weren't able to make that arrest while Nathaniel and Irma Linda were still alive.

• 1:08:22Speaker 05

  The police memo dated Sunday, the day the bodies were found, also states there wasn't sufficient evidence at that moment to arrest Nathaniel Huey Jr. But now, three full days later, Huey is dead, his companion critically wounded, as authorities did try to take them into custody.

• 1:08:38Annie Elise?

  This whole case is just so heartbreaking, so senseless, and truly impossible. To try and even begin to comprehend. So I guess all I can really say is hold your loved ones close. Look out for one another. Don't cheat, not only because it makes you a bad human being, but also you never know who's on the other side of that affair and what lengths those people will go to to try to protect what they believe they're protecting. It's just not a good situation. It's very scary and it's bad. It's going to end badly for every single person involved. So just get a divorce. Don't have any affairs. Only sleep with single people and just like watch your back. I don't know. That's like the only words of advice I think I can leave you guys with today because my head is still spinning.

• 1:09:21Annie Elise?

  Now, before we go, I also want to give you guys one more quick reminder. That new podcast feed is up and running. We will have a brand new episode for you tomorrow, but it's going to be on the 10 to life podcast. So again, make sure you go into your podcast app, whichever one you're on, search for 10 to life, follow it so that you will not miss those episodes. And if you feel like it's still early morning for you and you need more to binge today, we have those two episodes from last week that you can go listen to. Thank you, guys, for tuning in to another deep dive here on Serialist Lee. I will be back with you Thursday with all of the headline highlights this week. As a reminder, if you have any case requests that you want coverage of, you can do that over on our website, AnnieElise.com, or you can leave a comment in the review section on Apple with your request.

• 1:10:05Annie Elise?

  I like to cover cases that you guys submit just because I know that those are the ones that you want to hear. But let me know and I'll be back with you Thursday. And until then, guys, just please watch your back and do not catfish anybody. Maybe that needs to be the next slogan. Do not catfish. Please don't. All right. Bye, guys.

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