Road Rage; ZF Autos get a Clutch Pedal??; Crown Vic Race; Acadia Review

Matt Farah witness road rage; the GMC Acadia has a very confusing feature; we're officially racing in the Cleetus McFarland New England 900; someone hacked the ZF 8-speed auto to give it a, uh, clutch pedal? Patreon questions include: Why don't SUVs have sliding doors? Should your turn signal flash to the beat of your music? Why the Terminator is better than the S197 GT500 Which watch maker should build a car? What new cars sound good? Last chance to buy a Mustang GT350R? Stop my used German sedan bad ideas! How do people feel about the Honda CR-Z? Wha should Chevy do with the next Camaro? Why do we get Vinfast but not BYD? Should luxury watch-makers have configurators like car companies? What current Ferrari is worth buying a Luce for? Shoes for road trips Jaguar XKR Is shorter gearing worth it? Recorded May 13, 2026 Road & Track Experiences https://experiences.roadandtrack.com/ Give your ZF 8-speed a third pedal? https://www.turbolamik.us/turbolamik-1/ The New England 900! https://staffordmotorspeedway.com/events/cleetus-mcfarland-new-england-900-4/?srsltid=AfmBOooDgX4PL1Vw-fD2fkOejsARSPj8xQCXpMDZE-wYsbhp5hXp-Ekv Fitbod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://fitbod.me/TIRE Bluechew Right now, when you buy two months of BlueChew Gold, you get the third for FREE with promo code TIRE. Visit https://BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/tire/ and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Enter to WIN a 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S! Podcast Link: https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Use Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:44Matt Farah?

  the record dot com slash T S T. That's off the record dot com slash T S T to get 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record. One more time, off the record dot com slash T S T. Alright folks, on today's episode, I recount my Pacific Northwest road trip, and we spent an awful lot of time talking about road rage. Zach and I prepare for our Cletus Crown Vic race in Connecticut in July, and we learn that actually, an automatic transmission can be a manual. It turns out, the trans are trans. That's just fucking crazy on the Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  They're turning the trans trans.

• 1:30Matt Farah?

  They're turning the

• 1:33Matt Farah?

  Get the fuck out of here!

• 1:35Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I cannot.

• 1:36Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry, I cannot. No, I cannot.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I cannot.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  Get the fuck out of here! That would be, ugh, Belkey.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Serge.

• 1:44Matt Farah?

  Serge.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Serge.

• 1:45Matt Farah?

  Ser- ah, what's that?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Talaj, Serge, Talaj. The French guy.

• 1:51Matt Farah?

  B, shit.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Not Gerard Depardieu.

• 1:56Matt Farah?

  The fuck is his name? Not Gerard Depardieu. Uh, Jesus fucking Christ.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Bronson Pincho.

• 2:03Matt Farah?

  Bronson Bronson Pincho, yeah. Bronson. Bronson as a first name is fucking, hell yeah.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  He was just, he was everywhere. He was like, I'm the French guy.

• 2:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. He, he crushed it in the mid 1980s.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  All cameos all day.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21Matt Farah?

  Just, yeah, right. Best supporting.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  He was probably a lead in something we didn't see.

• 2:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Perfect Strangers.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't.

• 2:27Matt Farah?

  It was a sitcom, yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Oh, he's Balki, right?

• 2:30Matt Farah?

  But, but then after that, it was just, play, play Balki with different names.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  His fir- guess what his first movie ever was, ever? Right out the gate.

• 2:39Matt Farah?

  Coming, uh, Beverly Hills Cop?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Risky Business.

• 2:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, fuck, right.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Huge. Tom Cruise, then Beverly Hills Cop was the third movie. Wow.

• 2:48Matt Farah?

  That's like, that's a career. What is first four? His first five movies?

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Risky Business, then The Pointer Sisters, Neutron Dance.

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  That was probably.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  It was a music video.

• 2:57Matt Farah?

  That might have.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Uh, I read that part afterwards. Uh, then Beverly Hills Cop, Beverly Hills Cop's second movie.

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  The Flamingo Kid.

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Hot Resort.

• 3:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  That sounds like.

• 3:08Matt Farah?

  Yep.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Boobs and bikinis, uh, and a movie called Sarah.

• 3:12Matt Farah?

  Man, so not quite Led Zeppelin levels, but, but definitely a strong first showing.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:18Matt Farah?

  Risky Business and.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Second and third album took some work. And then, uh, you know, got back into it in the 90s.

• 3:24Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Bronson Pincho.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  Love you, buddy. Uh, hi, everybody. What's happening? Welcome to the program. It's, uh, it's been, we, I have like, so I got some carryover things to talk about from last show. I have some new things I, I've learned, uh, about technology that I like, strangely enough. And, uh, dude, and we heard from, uh, Cletus's, uh.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:49Matt Farah?

  Business guy today.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Text this morning.

• 3:51Matt Farah?

  Got the texts. We're in the race. Zach and I are in the, what the fuck is the race called? It's a Cletus Crown Vic race, whatever it's called, in Connecticut. On July 17th. So you gots to be out, anyone, any east coast people?

• 4:09Speaker 01

  The New England 900.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  The New England 900, is it, I hope it's not 900 laps. I will get dizzy. I don't know what, 900 what's?

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Great question.

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  900 laps would be, because isn't the track like half a mile long?

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  That would be 450 miles. That'd be a long race.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  I can't be right.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  We gotta start working our necks out.

• 4:30Matt Farah?

  It's not an endurance race. It's not an endurance race. The race starts at like 7:30 PM.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, Stafford Speedway. Stafford Speedway.

• 4:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  900 cars? There has to be creative math.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  It's just made, $900 a car?

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  There's no info on how long. Doesn't matter. I'm so excited.

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  It starts at 7:30 PM, so it can only be so long. It's not gonna be a five hour race, right?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  That is true.

• 4:59Matt Farah?

  It's probably like a two hour race, or not, maybe not even. But that's like, that long of a race around a half mile is a lot of turning left.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:08Matt Farah?

  For your boys. Here, we don't do that much turning left. Usually we turn left and then right. And there's like a couple more rights or then lefts to make a clockwise or counterclockwise situation, but there's typically both.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Check out this driver's list. Tell me if you know more than two people on it, and I say this, it informs me that we might be a little disconnected from the driver's list, not that these are nobodies. I think these are all probably...

• 5:32Matt Farah?

  They're probably more famous than us.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  They probably are.

• 5:35Matt Farah?

  They're probably more famous than us, almost for certain.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Let's see.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 5:44Matt Farah?

  Bolts and nuts, burnout rivals, whole deal. Wow. Are we just gonna load?

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  Okay. Uh, anyway. Oh, there, wait, there it was. It was there and it went away. Oh no!

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Good guys.

• 5:59Matt Farah?

  Is this because this is Stafford Speedway's website? Okay, there we go. All right.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Read quickly.

• 6:06Matt Farah?

  LS George, Cletus Farland. Migwilder Ty. Greg Biffle. That doesn't seem right. Seems like that may be a little out of date.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  Because he's no longer with us. Clutch Pack Zach, Cameron Johnson, Victor Alvarez. Boosted Boy Kyle.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  That's Off-Road Recovery. That is the coolest channel. That is such a rad thing.

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  Jim York, Ryan Priest, Jackson Jimmy. Brad DeBertie, Jimmy Oaks, Roman Atwood. I think I know that name. I don't know why, but I think I know that name. Kevin Smith, KSR, JH Diesel, Weston. Oh, Weston Champlin I know. I know him. I've met that guy in Vegas.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  He's fucking hysterical.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  I mean, anyone who's doing this is probably hysterical.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  He's the big dude who built the like semi truck, like the Mad Max.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  The one that drove underneath all of the things.

• 7:02Matt Farah?

  Drove through all that shit.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's that guy.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  That guy's a fucking G.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't wait to talk to that guy. What a genius.

• 7:09Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, so two. There's like two people. Three, if you include someone who is unfortunately dead.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  And everyone here probably has more oval racing experience than we do.

• 7:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  This is so exciting.

• 7:21Matt Farah?

  But like, as they say, how hard can it be?

• 7:24Speaker 01

  You just gotta move them around a little bit, right? As Kurt Busch says. I'm so focused on and slightly terrified of that.

• 7:32Matt Farah?

  But how many of these people have personally gotten advice from Kurt Busch about how to handle this race?

• 7:37Speaker 01

  I don't know. How many people know that you're allowed to push other cars around and it's totally fine?

• 7:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, you know, we've been doing no contact racing for a while. It's about time we do some contact racing, I guess.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  The NASCAR highlights from Watkins Glen, like the front. No, no, the cars. The frontrunner race was amazing, like very close, but in the backfield. Some guy who's very impatient like runs into the back of a car coming into turn one. He's like, get out of my way, hits that car, tries to go around him. And then his spotter's going, still on your left, still on your left. The guy, that same guy who rear ended someone, passes that car on the right, cuts across left too early, and pit maneuvers himself and crashes into the tire wall.

• 8:19Matt Farah?

  In NASCAR, top, top series, top.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Or a cup, whatever, like very legitimate cars. But it was very funny, this guy's just real impatient and the spotter's going, that car's still there. Just so you know, and the guy tracks way out, pit maneuvers himself.

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  Just road rage, uh, fuck, oh my god. Oh, I love it. I love it. He road raged himself into the wall, effectively.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Did you watch that, the clip I sent in the group chat? One guy went off into the, into the grass and it was muddy.

• 8:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  And the splitter was so low, it, it dug up all of the sod, made a mound, and then created a jump that the car then went off itself and ripped off the entire undertrack.

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  I did, it, it, I don't know if ever before has a race car built its own jump in real time. Built its own jump and then taken the jump.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  While, while building it, like there's gotta be a fucking Guinness record for that.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Yes, this was only done in like, uh, what was the show, like Go Go Gadget? Inspector Gadget. That's what this is. This is, the car drives, it puts a jump in front of itself, jumps, brings the jump with it. Absolutely insane.

• 9:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I didn't, you know, it's so funny, I'm so out of touch. I saw on TV, on the road trip I was on with Hannah, the truck series, the NASCAR truck series. It was on at a bar that Hannah and I were in on this trip. And I was like, oh shit, they're at the Glen. I was like, look at their fucking lines. Their lines are like insanely wide, you know, using all the racing surface.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  As long as, if there's tarmac on it, fucking paint doesn't mean shit to these guys.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Light contact doesn't matter.

• 9:54Matt Farah?

  It's so funny, cause like at Cota, they really care about the track limits, like specifically at Cota, because all the runoffs are paved. And so like you have to, when it's all just paved and you could sort of theoretically just drive anywhere, like. You have to enforce the track limits, otherwise people are going to just drive anywhere. Like, there's no reason to not just make a straight line through the S's. It's possible.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  But we talked to Jenson Button about this, because he raced there, and he said the only place they enforced it was the S's.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  The rest of it, he was like, it took him, I think he said it was like half the race, just to understand that what was happening around him was allowed, and like, contact, past paint, like, track limits, he was like,

• 10:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, in NASCAR, for sure.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, sorry, NASCAR.

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  I mean, in, in, in fucking, when we were,

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Oh, in WRL.

• 10:40Matt Farah?

  In WRL, they only cared about it in one place.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 10:43Matt Farah?

  Um, but they did, in theory, care about it, to the point where they would bring it up in all the meetings, all the drivers' meetings, blah, blah. At the Glen, it's like, track, grass, wall. And so, like, eh, if there's pavement, like, you know, fuck it. Like, it's not that much of an advantage. It's like a road America.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 10:58Matt Farah?

  Like, if you're, if the car can make it, like, it's, it's grass and then wall, so like, eh, you might as well try.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's your risk, it's your reward, totally.

• 11:08Matt Farah?

  They don't really give a shit, and they didn't really seem to give a shit. But I was so out of touch, I didn't even realize that there was like an actual NASCAR race, like, attached to that probably the next day, or something. But I had to explain to Hannah why there is a series where they race pickup trucks that are actually NASCAR, which is a, a fu, you know, it was a, it was like one of those conversations, like, Hannah knows, like, it wasn't a difficult concept to explain, but it was almost like, no one had ever asked me that before, and it was almost like, you know, explain Kim Kardashian to an alien, sort of thing.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Oh, I'd be worse than that.

• 11:41Matt Farah?

  Where you have to, like, back it, you know, back it up pretty far, and I was like, alright, let's, how far do we have to go back to explain, uh, why they're racing pickup trucks as NASCARs, like, how that makes any sense at all.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  I don't know how the history evolved, I just know that it's like the feeder series into Xfinity, and then Cup, and all that stuff.

• 11:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Hannah said her company sponsored a, quote, "racing truck in Brazil," briefly, and for a minute, I got extremely excited, because I thought it was one of those snub-nosed, like, man, you know, racing semis that they race down there, and then I found out that they have a NASCAR truck-like series in Brazil as well.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, and it was one of those. Maybe Copa Truck, I think is what it's called.

• 12:20Matt Farah?

  Maybe, sure, that sounds right.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:22Matt Farah?

  Which looks like NASCAR truck, but in Brazil, basically.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, I'm sorry, Copa Truck is the one you want.

• 12:26Matt Farah?

  That's the one you want, the semis, that's the dopest shit ever.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  So is Formula Truck.

• 12:31Matt Farah?

  If you haven't, have you ever, uh, next time we go to CXC to like train for a race or something? After we're done fucking around with the race, have them put us in one of the semis. Because in a motion, in a motion fucking sim, semi racing is insanity. You're bouncing like in ways, cause you know, you still have the hydraulic seat and shit.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Oh, that's weird.

• 12:54Matt Farah?

  You're just like bouncing like crazy.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  So you've got, it'd be hard to feel the limits, cause it's all cushion.

• 13:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  It's going through this translator.

• 13:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Oh, that'd be weird.

• 13:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's wild. Um, so anyway.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Real quick, how cool does that look?

• 13:08Matt Farah?

  Oh my god.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  Everyone imagine a cab over semi that's shorter.

• 13:13Matt Farah?

  AMG's fucking race truck is so sick.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  It's got a front splitter, like, I don't know, a GT-R. It's huge.

• 13:22Matt Farah?

  Yo, you can show and display that in America. And, and don't tell, don't tell the fucking Habibis in Beverly Hills that that's a thing that someone could possibly drive.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  These look really cool.

• 13:33Matt Farah?

  That looks dope as shit, dude. Imagine, like.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Look at the camber.

• 13:38Matt Farah?

  Okay, imagine the lower, the lower nose of a Toyota Supra.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:43Matt Farah?

  Grafted onto the, the flat front of a European semi that's, that's cut. They cut the bottom half, bottom third of the cab. And then they just drop the top two thirds.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:58Matt Farah?

  Lower on, it looks tough, dude. It looks so good.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Fenders are equal with the door handle. Like, that's how drop the cab.

• 14:05Matt Farah?

  Look at the camber on the front tires.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  And by the way.

• 14:08Matt Farah?

  Four degrees of negative camber, if not more.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  And for people listening, the whole truck is gold. The whole truck is gold with side exit exhaust. This is awesome.

• 14:18Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 14:19Matt Farah?

  That's a 2019. That's not even a 2026.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  We need a 2026 Copa truck.

• 14:28Matt Farah?

  All sponsorship money needs to be diverted to this series. Why, why are we even watching anything else?

• 14:35Matt Farah?

  Why isn't there a Drive to Survive about this shit dude? These guys are probably nuts. This must be one of the best spectator motorsports possible to see in person.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  The proximity, I mean they're so, they're side by side, three wide with these huge vehicles.

• 14:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh it's great.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Like, look at that. That just seems terrifying.

• 14:54Matt Farah?

  Three wide, three wide down the front straight, these giant semis.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  I wonder how, like 15 gears.

• 15:01Matt Farah?

  Real aggressive windshield banner game.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Lot of real estate, lot of advertising, lot of space, you know? NASCAR they charge, what is it, by the square inch or something? Here they do it by the, you know, the meter.

• 15:12Matt Farah?

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  safety information. And thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. Promo code TIRE. To scout the road and track Northwest shift, Hannah came with me. I drove a GMC Acadia, which is not the worst thing you could drive. But for driving on in dynamic situations, it's among the worst things you could drive. So this thing, okay, I'm gonna be nice to the GMC Acadia. If you were going to, let's just say, Central Florida, and you wanted to rent a three-row

• 20:11Matt Farah?

  mid-size SUV, smaller than a Tahoe, but whole three-row, this is a lovely vehicle. Spacious, the fucking tech, the carplay and shit works great. The heated seats were just about the hottest heated seats I've ever used, to the point where like, someone might actually

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Cook a pizza.

• 20:30Matt Farah?

  Cook a pizza with one. And it was like, you know, space and whatever, it was fine. It was screwed together tightly. Like, it was alright. But, this engine is mad wheezy. I don't know what this fucking thing weighs. It's gotta be 5,000 pounds. Big ass heavy thing. This engine's a little four-cylinder, and just, just nothing. Just a lot of fucking, a lot of nothing. And it required a lot of downshifting, a lot of hunting for gears, things like that.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  2.5 liter turbo four. Probably the same engine we had in the Blazer.

• 21:10Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  In Montana. That was a pretty nice car. That did a good job.

• 21:13Matt Farah?

  This thing probably weighs 800 pounds more than that.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  You know. And so, also, steering wheel with paddle shifters, right? Okay?

• 21:25Matt Farah?

  They do nothing. They are not, they do absolutely nothing. They're full on, it's full on, it's a steering wheel from something else and the paddle shifter does not do a thing.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  It doesn't change anything.

• 21:38Matt Farah?

  Nothing. There's no drive mode in which the paddle shifters change gears up or down.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought you were being like embellishing.

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  No, no. Nothing. Zero. Nothing.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 21:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, nothing. Furthermore, this particular vehicle, which was not something I could have checked when I could have foreseen when I left the rental place, had a nasty vibration beginning at about 55 miles an hour, all the way up. And so, I mean, probably a wheel way, a wheel out of balance or something. I actually thought there might be mud into tires.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:16Matt Farah?

  And, and there was some mud in the wheel arches, so I stopped at a self-serve and really power washed the fuck out of the wheels and suspension and everything I could get. Helped it a little, but not.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Maybe a wheel weight fell off?

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  A wheel weight fell off and it got caked in mud, somebody, you know.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  So for like three days, it was just like.

• 22:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, it was.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  So Hannah liked the trip.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  It didn't, it actually wasn't like quite bad enough and Hannah doesn't have quite enough experience with cars for her to be like, this is problematic versus like, this is just how this car drives and this car drives like crap. You know what I mean? Like, I could be like, this car's not supposed to be doing this. She, she can't really, which it was fine. She did about half the driving. Washing, these, this is fucking a slept on part of the country from a car enthusiasm standpoint. These roads are fucking bangers. All of them, all the roads are bangers. It's like, this road trip is like as close as you could get probably to New Zealand in America. We went from.

• 23:27Matt Farah?

  Lakes to beaches to forests to rainforest to desert to high pine forest to snow literal snow and then back down all of those back to the to the sea again like such a banger like really, really, really, really, really good. One of the hotels that we're gonna be staying in the trip is like on Mount Rainier and doesn't even open until like two weeks from now, so I couldn't check it out. The road to get there was closed. That's right, we looked at that on the map. And I found a much, but I finally, it took me a couple of hours to figure out who it is I can call in the state of Washington to figure out like when these roads might

• 24:11Matt Farah?

  open or like whatever. It turns out actually it's the park service. The roads I need are inside the park and I tried calling all the DOT agencies and they just kept pinging me around like no, you're in the southwest region, you need the north region and ping. I talked to six of them, until I got a complete circle. Eventually I was like, how about the park? And like that was it, actually it was the park, so. But really, really good tarmac up there for a for a place that has four seasons, like the tarmac was exceptional. Lot of lot of good open sweepers, but in the beginning part of the drive, in the Oregon

• 24:56Matt Farah?

  part of the drive or the area around Portland, leaving Portland, some very beautiful and tight technical forest driving with like big ferns, almost like a like you'd find outside of in Northern California, kinda like that. And then like tons of waterfalls, tons of fucking rivers, like the sound of like water rushing is like everywhere. Absolutely beautiful. One of those beautiful drives I've ever done. There are a few spots available. If you want, you can come drive with us. It's experiences.rodentrack.com. I will, of course, be there, leading the drive. And I believe, barring some kind of miracle, I'll be driving an M5 Touring,

• 25:38Matt Farah?

  which is a good car for a road trip, admittedly. Holds a lot of stuff, very comfortable. It's not like my favorite car in the world, but the selection of press cars up there are, is very limited. So, I'm happy with that. The other, there was two sporty, I cast a pretty wide net. Sporty cars are in the fleet. The only two cars that would qualify to a road and track reader as sporty were the M5 Touring and a Miata.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  I knew it. I just knew it. Yeah.

• 26:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And so I was like, Dan, I got you a Miata.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  So that happens. Don't ask someone to arrange the cars. They're gonna give themselves the best car.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Well, I bet there will be a road or a section where you'll want to be in the Miata, and there'll be a lot where you don't.

• 26:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's a couple. But, and we got Portland International Raceway, which is a fun track. And we're gonna be staying at some really cool hotels. I couldn't check out the one, but I have, I checked out the first one. I couldn't get to Mount Rainier one, and I have actually stayed for two nights at the third one, and it's super, super nice. So, it's gonna be a really, really fun trip. I'm extremely stoked that I get to go back and do it again. And Hannah and I really enjoyed the towns of Long Beach, Washington, and Leavenworth. If you go in that next photo, Leavenworth, Washington, is like one of those fake Swiss villages.

• 27:06Matt Farah?

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• 28:34Matt Farah?

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• 30:04Matt Farah?

  And so they went to Solvang, which is California's Swiss village. And they were like, yeah, this, just this.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  A copy of a copy.

• 30:12Matt Farah?

  Control C, control V, or whatever the 1960s version of that was. They hired the architect. They hired the builder. We were reading about this the whole way. They hired all these people and they built themselves a... So now, Solvang, California is Danish. This is Swiss German, but like same fucking shit. It's equally, it's very much the American version of Swiss if you first people that have never actually been to Switzerland or Germany. Like, because in this small photo on your phone, it looks very Alpine.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  It does, yeah.

• 30:48Matt Farah?

  Up close, not so much.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Oh, because the mountains are shorter there?

• 30:52Matt Farah?

  The windows aren't quite right. No, not the mountains. I mean, the mountains aren't quite right either, but it's like the second story and above, say Switzerland, but the ground floor of all the buildings is very much America.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 31:06Matt Farah?

  Like, you know, that kind of thing.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  I wonder if we have like the regulations of ADA.

• 31:10Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Or and also just larger doors, larger windows. That's what we do.

• 31:15Matt Farah?

  And it might have been converted from buildings that were already there in the 60s. Like, who knows? Like, nevertheless, the sausages were delicious. Seriously. The beer was actually proper German beer, drinking good German beer. And we ate dinner at a restaurant called Carta, which is not fucking Swiss German themed. And it was unironically absolutely fucking delicious.

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  It was a pretty good time.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Wow, nice.

• 31:44Matt Farah?

  This is like, it was like two hours from Seattle. So this is like, it is literally like their Solvang for Seattle. Place was popping off on a Saturday.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  They want, people want to see something different. They're like, sure, this is what it looks like there. It's fine. I get it. A little bit of whimsy.

• 31:58Matt Farah?

  So we're stopping, this is one of our stops on the event. So it's not an overnight.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Someone in the chat asked if, you know, if you bring a partner on the trip, do they get to drive on the track also? Or is it just one person?

• 32:12Matt Farah?

  Yes. No, no. If there's two people in the, in the group in that with that, they want to drive on track, they both get to drive. Yeah, yeah. They make accommodations for that. They would basically put, you know, there's like the red group and the green group. It's not, they don't mean skills, anything. It's just like you have to divide it up because there's only so many, whatever, right? And you would just, the car would stay and the driver would switch. Yeah. But it would, they would each get full sessions as long as the car was able to handle that. Yeah, yeah. Cool. But these are, these are fucking good trips and like, I know the Pacific Northwest is like kind of far from stuff. It's hard to get to, but like very much, very much worth it.

• 32:51Matt Farah?

  This was the beach and this was called Long Beach. And this Long Beach is the longest drivable beach in the country. Like you can drive on the, on the sand. Yeah, yeah. You can drive on the sand. You're not allowed to do drifties.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Did you take, yeah.

• 33:05Matt Farah?

  We did not take the GMC because we had been in the car for like five hours and we wanted to walk on the beach and that was very rewarding and delightful. But people were mainly people who just wanted to drive because it's pretty deep. They wanted to just drive down to where the water was for the, I mean, not the, the depth, meaning.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  The distance from where you park to the water is quite far.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  Is like a couple hundred yards. So people who wanted to go fishing would like drive their forerunner down there and, and pull out the poles. But lovely place. Nice people, awesome, good food. Very much enjoyed my time up there. Cannot wait to go back. Oh, I sort of told you about this the other day, but I, I saw a road rage incident play out in front of my eyes and it was so good.

• 33:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, one of the people, the person that, this person, not the person that started the road rage, but the person that started the, that sparked the road rage had a big sticker on their back window that said hugs not drugs, which I just, I loved. In fact, at first I noticed it because I thought it said nugs not drugs. And I was like, that's right, sir. Weed isn't drugs. But then I was like, oh, wait, no, that's just me reading it wrong.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the cursive.

• 34:26Matt Farah?

  So, um, we're driving the Acadia. Hugs not drugs is immediately to our right, down a, what you'd call a dual carriageway, two-lane road. In front of us is a fairly crappy, uh, late 1990s Pontiac Grand Prix sedan, the blobby one, the, the one that looked like it was just fully injection molded plastic, like that one, right? It's in front of us. All of a sudden, traffic, like, comes abruptly to a halt in front of Pontiac Grand Prix, who clearly will not be able to brake in time and does a, uh, what do you call it? A moose test maneuver,

• 35:07Matt Farah?

  uh, into the other lane, sort of, you might say, it would be called cutting off hugs not drugs, if there, if it wasn't so obviously a defensive maneuver to avoid getting into a crash, okay? Immediately hugs not drugs lays on the horn, as if he had been cut off, unprompted, lays on the horn, Grand Prix is having fucking zero of this, jams on the brakes, fucking, one of the hardest brake checks I've ever seen, that results in hugs not drugs smashing into his back bumper. And now hugs not drugs is, you know, it's a white Kia.

• 35:50Matt Farah?

  Maybe an Optima or something, whatever, just a Kia. The front bumper is now doing that thing where only the top hinges are holding it on. And it sort of flaps out.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Like a doggy door that's being pushed open, yeah.

• 36:01Matt Farah?

  You see it on drift cars once in a while, yeah, like a pushed open doggy. So hugs not drugs, you know, they've been in an accident. Now he pulls over, Grand Prix, does not fucking take a beat, just dips.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:16Matt Farah?

  Just the front, the rear bumper of this car, this car is, this car's $2,000 on a great day. Even if it's totally straight and legit, this is a $2,000 car.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  I wonder if the plastic back in the 90s also was like.

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  Rubbermaid.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Rubbermaid plastic, the fasteners were a little more expensive. They hadn't taken all the value out of them yet, so it's just more durable.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  But this dude just fucking, this dude just eyes up, evaded a crash, only to get honked at in a car he gives no fucks about and was absolutely having none of this person's fucking honk. And like, I do not endorse this behavior, but if you're gonna do it, like, like he wasn't trying to do an insurance scam. This dude let his fucking lady smash into the back of him and then went, you know what? That's cool.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:05Matt Farah?

  Fuck them.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  And he didn't even check the damage.

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  I'm gone.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  He's like, I don't care what happened. It's about, it's about the lesson being taught here.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  Slowed down just enough to get hit and was like, that's fine, and then went to work.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Do not, do not fight that person, yeah.

• 37:18Matt Farah?

  That's like these people that drive in the canyons when we're up there doing fucking open shade. Zach and I get up there really early, both to like beat traffic across town and so that we can shoot the car interiors in what's called open shade. It's like soft lights, you don't have these like hard like bright and shadow bits in the interior, but like, and people will criticize us for like breaking speed limits. By the way, shout out to the CHP officer fan who fucking said what's up to me yesterday. By the way, I don't think that guy has any, any problem with what we're doing. Uh, but when we're up there shooting fucking open shade, we, we witness what we call the Palmdale 500, which is people who commute over the mountain on that road, doing.

• 38:02Matt Farah?

  The kind of speeds that we do in the worst cars imaginable with terrible tires and doing like crazy double yellow passes.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  We do not do.

• 38:12Matt Farah?

  Into blind corners.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:14Matt Farah?

  Like the shit we see, we should just sit there. Like, one day we should go up there and like not film a car and just.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Put a GoPro head on looking up that hill.

• 38:22Matt Farah?

  Just sit there and just count the fucking double yellow passes because it's at least three or four in the half hour we're in that siding.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, all those passes are like, they're on the rain line, you know, because there's a car in the apex, so they actually go to the outside, break later, and then turn in. It is truly crazy. Box trucks, old Tacomas, you know, Camrys, whatever, like a lot of Econo boxes with, uh, you know, marred paint just going for it.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  Pushing, pu- pushing, like, oof, like dude, just wake up a couple of minutes earlier, man, like whatever you're doing, like dying for your fucking job ain't worth it, whatever you're doing, bro.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  That brake check story is very much like Patton Oswalt has a story where he was at a bar outside and a cowboy walked out and bumped into this like very large black dude who had a cigar and the cowboy goes, "Watch where, watch where you're going" and the black guy goes, "I'm not going, like I'm saying here, you bumped into me, so you watch it." And the cowboy's wasted and tries to start a fight and the black dude just picks him up and drops him because he's a power lifter and then the cowboy walks away and it's like, this honk was like, "Hey, I'm, hey, fuck you" and the other person's like, "You, no, I have the upper hand in so many ways."

• 39:34Matt Farah?

  Yes, you have fucked with the wrong person today and I am not taking it, yeah. Falling Down is not an admirable story, but it is a, it is a cathartic movie in that regard.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Oh, Michael Douglas, for sure, yeah. Any movie where someone just cracks.

• 39:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:53Matt Farah?

  So that's wild, but, uh, so I saw that on this road trip and, uh, we're going back, uh, June, Jesus, I think it's not the ninth to the, uh, the ninth or 10th to the 13th is the actual trip. Like I said, there's a couple of spots left. You get to fucking hang out at the bar with me every night and fucking, I tell you what I really think.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:11Matt Farah?

  Tell you what I really think about stuff. That's, that's what you're paying for on this trip is not the hotels and the food and the racetrack, it's so I can tell you what I really think.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  You'll tell them all the secrets you left out of the video reviews and that you left out of the podcast.

• 40:24Matt Farah?

  A hundred percent, dude, a hundred percent.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  What do you really think about the Porsche Boxer Spider?

• 40:28Matt Farah?

  Mmm. Comes better in pink. Uh, the, oh, announce, another announcement. I'm, I'm 99% sure this is a go. 99%. There's only like, maybe like one thing that could derail it at this point. Uh, Detroit Woodward Dream Cruise, Thursday, live smoke and tire podcast with Christian James Hand. Uh, at Garage 248 in Royal Oak. It's gonna be a fucking good time. Uh, the tickets will include, uh, snacks and bev's, wink, winks. Uh, that means cocaine and whiskey. Piles of cocaine.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Cookies and snacks?

• 41:12Matt Farah?

  It's 248 Garage. Did I say Garage 248? I don't know if I got it right, but 248 Garage in Royal Oak. They, uh, I've been talking to them. We got it all lined up. We got things organized over there. So it's gonna be Thursday night of Woodward Dream Cruise. I believe that is the 13th, August, Thursday, August 13th. Um, yeah, Christian, Christian Hand's gonna fucking crush it.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 41:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, we have, we're gonna have special Detroit themed fucking merch. Uh, Dream Cruise themed merch. We're gonna have, uh, maybe some special guests come into chat. Uh, some of our Detroit heads. And it's going to be a fucking good time. So I, uh, I don't have the ticket link just yet. It's gonna be, uh, I just found out this morning, thank God. These have, these fucking guys have a Eventbrite account. So I don't have to, I don't have to make another subscription. Um, so we'll have tickets soon. This place is, uh, it's like a car storage and social club. Um, I like their vibe. I talked to, uh, Douglas, who, who owns the joint, uh, for like an hour on the phone the other day. Guy gets it. I'm down.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Dude, shout out.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  That's, that's the room, uh, we're gonna use. They're gonna pull all the cars out of there. The stage will be at the back by that roll up door. And, uh, we got TVs, we got sound.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Sick.

• 42:29Matt Farah?

  We're gonna have, it's gonna be, it's only gonna be like, uh, like 125, 130 capacity. So a little smaller than the, um, than the Texas shows.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  So when the ticket link goes up, jump on it.

• 42:39Matt Farah?

  Fucking, get on it. Detroit Midwest people, come on down. And, uh, we're gonna be hanging out for Dream Cruise. So that'll be going up soon. That'll be, I can't wait to do, to do a live show in Detroit. It's gonna be Detroit, like, they have a fucking sense of humor in Detroit. These are awesome people there. So I'm, I'm extremely stoked about that. Also, uh, in, in important news, did you know that, um, PCH is open, Big Sur?

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Did not.

• 43:06Matt Farah?

  PCH through Big Sur is open. I don't know exactly the date it opened, but all of a sudden, someone the other day was like, hey, did you know it was open? And I looked and it absolutely is.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  January, I guess.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  Was it January?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  Wow. Oh, I haven't been paying attention, so I haven't gone up there, but it is open. And I guess if I didn't know, maybe other people don't know either. So now you know, PCH is open. You should go drive it while you can, because it's like never open for more than like a year.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Very true. Yeah. Uh, drive it now before the rainy season arrives.

• 43:34Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  That's usually when it has a problem. You don't want to be there for that.

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  So, uh, what an amazing drive.

• 43:39Matt Farah?

  But it'll

• 43:40Speaker 01

  The road changes so much from bottom to top, like just gets super tight, twisty. Yeah, it's

• 43:45Matt Farah?

  It's very fun and you should drive it. Um, but if you're, and if you're going to Car Week, you should go that way. But if you're, uh, if you're not, you should come to Car, you should go to, come to Detroit to the Woodward Dream Cruise and hang out with us. Um, and, uh, before we go to questions, because we do have a bunch.

• 44:03Matt Farah?

  I just learned, another thing I just learned that I'm sure other people have known, did you know that the, um, the, the eight-speed, uh, ZF gearbox, uh, the eight HP70 or whatever it's called, right?

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:19Matt Farah?

  There is like a hack for it now that can essentially make it an on-demand manual. So there's, there's a thing that they sell. Oh, and fucking, there's, there's a name for this computer and it's, I can't remember the name, it's, you're going to find it in two seconds. I'm sorry. I don't have the link right. At hand, but it's a computer that can hack the, the gearbox and you can effectively put a fake clutch pedal. Now it's an automatic still.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:49Matt Farah?

  It's, you, you have to press the brake pedal to put it in, from park into drive. And you can use paddle shifters or, or leave it in D and you can drive it like an automatic. Separately, the ZF gearbox ins, and has a torque converter still, right? It's an automatic, but with this hack, you can also like control a bunch of other shit that they don't normally let you control. Now, I don't know about like the longevity of this, but this, a couple of people have now done it where it is, it's sort of built into this computer that controls the gearbox. You can put, you can then install a clutch pedal.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  What?

• 45:29Matt Farah?

  Right? And you, you put a clutch pedal in.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 45:32Matt Farah?

  And in one, in like, uh, one video Thad sent me, someone had put in a very professional looking clutch pedal. It looked almost OEM.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:40Matt Farah?

  And did it in a street car. And another video, it was like a fucking drift car, right? And in the drift car, they actually used a gas pedal as the fake clutch pedal. Okay? You following me?

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Kind of.

• 45:55Matt Farah?

  So there's a gas pedal on the right.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:56Matt Farah?

  And then the normal brake.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  And then about where there would be a clutch pedal.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  There's another gas pedal.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  What?

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  Now that gas pedal is a fake digital clutch.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  And it does the things that clutches can do.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  So just as full disengagement?

• 46:11Matt Farah?

  It doesn't disengage the, the, it engages the clutch pack inside the gearbox.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:16Matt Farah?

  Disengages it. So you can clutch kick, you can separate, you can, you separate the gearbox. It, it opens it, just like a clutch, but it's not the clutch like a manual. There's a bunch of clutch packs that are for different gears within the, it, it opens those.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  So is the, is it pretty much used for drift folks like, cause you, you still have the paddles? Do you still have?

• 46:41Matt Farah?

  You do not need to use.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  The same electronic shifter?

• 46:43Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Okay. So basically you can clutch kick the car.

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  You can clutch kick.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Using an automatic, which is.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Opens up the market for more drift cars instead of having to get the manual.

• 46:52Matt Farah?

  It is a, it is a clutch kickable fucking eight-speed automatic torque converter gearbox.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  It's like a discount sequential box.

• 47:00Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Essentially.

• 47:01Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  It's the fucking gearbox that we race with.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:04Matt Farah?

  That survives endurance racing and all that other shit. And now you, and now I don't know how long it lasts if you're doing this a lot, cause just particularly because you're opening the clutches for purposes of clutch kicking. Right? So who knows how long it will last if you're doing this all the time? But it is apparently possible and not all that difficult for someone who knows how to install a computer and a clutch pedal to make this work. 8HPtheworld is this website. And in the frequently asked questions tab, it offers what the 8HP

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  Swap kits are. So, and I don't know anything about the reputation of this company. It's not necessarily an endorsement. It's just that this is where in the FAQ, like, because Thad sent me like long videos and podcasts and all this. And I was like, dude, just something quick. So the FAQs in here are like, uh, the, the transmission controllers are called the Turbo Lammic or the Max ECU. Uh, Turbo Lammic offers the most comprehensive features, including launch mode and virtual clutch control. So that's what it's called. T U R B O L A M I K. Turbo Lammic.

• 48:21Matt Farah?

  And so with these swap kits, you can, these, this, this website is to swap the eight HP into other cars. I think with the Turbo Lammic controller, you can just hack the gearbox when it's in a car that it's come with.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Right? So if you've got a BMW or a Chrysler or something that's already got the gearbox.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  HP is about putting that transmission in a Supra, a Mark IV Supra, NSC 300, IS300, basically Toyota stuff. Um, here we go.

• 48:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But this is, this is pretty fucking cool, huh?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  That's pretty rad. I mean, yeah, if, if you can just go to the junkyard, get a ZF 8 speed.

• 49:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Or you buy a car that already has one.

• 49:05Matt Farah?

  What is the, what do they have products for? So it's just a computer. So wiring harness? Here's a, here's a Supra. So you could do it for a Supra, you could do it for a modern Supra. You could do with an automatic and, and make a clutch kickable automatic.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. So, I mean, the, the whole hardware, computer wiring, everything is 2,500 bucks.

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Um.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  And then you have to figure out what your fake clutch pedal will be.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:31Matt Farah?

  But like, kind of interesting, isn't it?

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I wonder, I wonder, very curious if people know about this in the comments. Like, how does it hold up to racing? How does it hold up to drifting? Um.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's the DCT clutch simulator remote.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Oh, this is, yeah, this is one of the things I found.

• 49:48Matt Farah?

  Porsche sort of did this with the D, with the DCT, right? In the GT cars where if you tug the paddles together, you can clutch kick. Which I think, I think would be a fun, I actually might potentially like that in a Supra or a BMW better than a fake pedal. I don't, I don't hate the tug both paddles to clutch kick.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  I, I mean, I think, I think it works in some situations, but there will be times like, you know, if you're drifting and you need to, you know, clutch kick mid-corner and the wheel is turned and the paddles, where are the paddles right now? That could be a little more challenging.

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  If you're doing competitive drifting, absolutely.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Or just for fun sometimes, depending on your power, it depends on your power level, your engine.

• 50:27Matt Farah?

  But if I was, if I was putting this in a street car, I might just use this computer to add that ability than, and rather than adding an actual pedal.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Very, oh, right, very true, just for occasional burnouts and clutch drop stuff.

• 50:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  Neat.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Very neat, like what a cool possible solution to, if people want to build a drift car and they're like, well, the manuals always cost a premium, there's not as many of them, obviously, like this opens up that whole market.

• 50:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  If they work for competitive stuff.

• 50:56Matt Farah?

  Kind of interesting.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  I mean, this is definitely cheaper than buying a sequential box. Like, what's the cheapest, you know, sequential transmission cost?

• 51:03Matt Farah?

  I have no idea.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  I don't know. I feel like, I feel like the good ones are in the tens.

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  It's gotta be, yeah.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  And the cheap versions are like six to eight.

• 51:10Matt Farah?

  It's gotta be 10 grand, yeah.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  It's just kind of a, kind of a neat thing. I'd never heard of before and of course Thaddeus found it because it's the kind of thing Thaddeus would find.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  He's, yeah, he's been very interested in the, the ZF 8-speed swap into, uh, what did he send me? Someone put one in an E92.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  And like, or E92? I think E92. Um, and he's like, this is pretty cool and you could do it in the, in the, uh, E46. They're just making it work with lots of BMWs.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, remember the, uh, they were doing it with the DCT before that. The guy at Pike's Peak has the E, had the E30 with the BMW DCT in it.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Yep, that's right.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  But it was a 2J. It was a 2JZ with a fucking BMW DCT in an E30.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, in a wide body.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was fucking nuts.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Psychotic hill climb E30s. Yeah, engineering student, of course.

• 51:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was great. That car, that car fucking rolled. Everything about that was tens across the board. I don't care how it did in the race, that's a winner. This is neat. I'd love to, if somebody in California has a drift car with this in it, I would really like to try it.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 52:13Matt Farah?

  I will host you at Willow Springs as my guest and we can come play.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  That's super cool, man. I love just the constant ingenuity of people.

• 52:21Matt Farah?

  Really neat, right? I like it a lot. And it does, I mean, it makes the, it makes automatic equipped JDM cars more desirable because now you don't have to turn it into a manual. You could fucking get it, throw out whatever slush boxes in there, do, you know, get one of these out of a fucking Dodge or a Chrysler or what.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  The transmission's in everything. It's everywhere.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  And it said on that other site, like which ones to use for the swaps.

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  No, go back to the FAQs. Where were those?

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 52:55Matt Farah?

  The FAQ page there had, there, right now we offer the Supra one with the Dodge gearbox, the Sora with the Dodge, and yeah, so they're all using the Dodge gearboxes. Those are, that's gotta be the strong ones, right?

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:11Matt Farah?

  Because they're in like the Hellcats and stuff.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Whoa, cool.

• 53:13Matt Farah?

  So, yeah. Neat, huh?

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's really neat. That's really neat.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  All right, let's go to the people, right?

• 53:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 53:22Matt Farah?

  I think it's, is it that time?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 53:23Matt Farah?

  I think it is. Certainly is because I'm out of things on my list.

• 53:29Matt Farah?

  We've got a few from last week. Of course, if you want to ask questions for the live show and then watch them on the live show, or get the show the same day it goes up, get the show without ads, get extra show, which by the way, we're recording on Friday. Aren't we? Pro Driver Show is Pro Champ Show is gonna be this Friday. And exclusive early access to collabs and merch and projects such as the Berry Canyon that I am wearing right now. Actually, if anyone left in the Patreon, I think the remaining units, I think there's about... I want to say like 25. I think of the 100, I think our patrons got about 75 of them.

• 54:10Matt Farah?

  The remaining are going to get offered to the public. So if you, if you do want one, if you were on the fence, if you were holding out for that AP Swatch collab and then you realized that it was obviously going to be a pocket watch. And if Carl was here today, I don't like to speak for the dead, but Carl spoke on the record to me many, many, many times about pocket watches. And Carl would laugh at everybody buying that fucking AP Swatch pocket watch. That's all I'm saying.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  That's great. Someone had a question about it and you answered it.

• 54:44Matt Farah?

  He would laugh at it and I, I think it, I think the same thing. Like, I understand what they're both doing, but I think that,

• 54:59Matt Farah?

  I think the problem is if you, if you, if someone figures out how to put the thing in a wristwatch, it looks an awful lot like the expensive AP ceramic ones. And so people who have the really expensive AP ceramic ones might be a little annoyed.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  This looks terrible.

• 55:14Matt Farah?

  It's not great. And what, that it's a pocket watch?

• 55:16Speaker 01

  I just, yeah, I don't think it works as a pocket watch.

• 55:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, I also, I think, I think if this thing is what makes pocket watches all of a sudden trendy, then it will be like a shameless, just branding consumerism of how to get anything with an AP brand on it for, you know, regular people money.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Tripin on ADAS asked if this was a recession indicator. I don't think I'd go, I wouldn't go that far, but I, I think pocket watches a lot of times look really nice because they're just so slim. Like they're slim and it's just a simple circle and there's like, I don't know, the smooth pebble shape to them without, without the strap, without the housing that you attach. So isolated, I think they look nice, but obviously they're very inconvenient. It's like having your phone in your pocket as your, as your watch.

• 56:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, you already have a pocket watch. It's called, it's called your phone, actually. It's, you know, but.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  I mean, if you, I think if you dress it the right way, they, they, they work as an accent for that. But not as a really functional watch, in my opinion.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  It's, it's, to me, it's the La Boo Boo. People are gonna hang them on their backpacks.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Right, so it's not in your pocket, it's hanging out there, yeah.

• 56:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're gonna, I guarantee you, the number one place to spot these things is going to be around the handle of a Louis duffel. Which, to me, the Louis duffel is a joke of a product, because it's essentially made of plastic, not leather. That's just the print. Like, my dad used to talk so much shit about, like, the trunks, like, that they brought on the fucking Titanic and shit. Those Louis trunks, that's a different story. Them shits are made in fucking Italy and France by, but the duffels that you see everybody carrying around the airport and shit, them shits are made of plastic, they're garbage.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Because they have to be more durable for getting thrown around.

• 56:57Matt Farah?

  No, no, look at that Beckett Simonon bag I have, that shit's made of leather I carry all over the world, it's money. No, Louis is trash, dude, but you're gonna see them hanging from the fucking Louis bags, for sure. Uh, let's see. Poop to sample, that's pretty funny. Uh, I haven't been able to drive a GT4 or Spider with the shorter gearing, uh, but honestly, don't mind the OE gearing. I did, I had an S2000, did a rear-end final gear swap, and felt like I was having to shift too much, which made the car actually slower. Uh, is the gearing more set up for the 4.5? Um, so, no. Here's the thing.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  You're really not, it's not that much shorter. First, first, it's not, the final drive ratio is different, because it shortens your, your, all the gears the same amount. The gear set in the Spiders, at least there's, there's different gear sets you can get. The one I use, at first, it leaves first, it leaves sixth alone, so your creep and your cruise are stock. They're the same as stock. And in between, it, it changes the ratios individually in a way that is just more optimized. So in the canyons...

• 58:12Matt Farah?

  Yes, you're shifting a little more than you otherwise would, but the problem with the stock car is you're not shifting enough. So.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  And you don't end up shifting like, you know, hill climb rally car where you watch them get into six by the time they're at 90 miles per hour. Beep beep beep beep. It's not like that.

• 58:28Matt Farah?

  No, it just makes the gearing more like a normal car.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:32Matt Farah?

  Like.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  I feel like it makes the gearing what it would be if Porsche was not restricted by EU noise and MPG regulations and emissions, because that's part of why the gearing is so damn tall and everything.

• 58:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, possibly. So I don't know anyone who's done the gears and regretted it, whereas there's definitely people that I know who have done final drive ratios and ended up with some unintended consequences.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  We know two people at least who have done the gears that did not do the engine.

• 59:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  And they love it.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  They love it. If they do the gears, a light flywheel and like the plenum and the exhaust, like you're 60% of the way to the engine, honestly, in terms of like actual enjoyment. Sound deadening my car so no one can hear me cry. Why does nobody put sliding doors on an SUV? They do in like Europe. Sliding doors is like 50% of what makes minivans more practical. It seems like a common sense upgrade. It ain't about practical. It's about image and perception. Sliding doors make people think minivan. Minivans are for losers.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  It's probably also more complicated to construct because now you have a sliding mechanism and a brace mechanism on the flank of the car instead of like hinge, you know?

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  The hinge is a simpler thing. I don't know.

• 59:53Matt Farah?

  I think they've probably sorted that by now.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  It seems like more parts.

• 59:56Matt Farah?

  Every major company's built a sliding door on something.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  It also makes the side of the vehicle look worse.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Having some sort of cut where the door can move.

• 1:00:04Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Depending on where it is.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  But like in Europe, they have a lot of cars that here would absolutely be sold with just normal doors where the back door is a sliding door.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  I think that may be for easier access to a baby seat.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Oh, it's definitely easier ingress egress for sure.

• 1:00:21Matt Farah?

  It's it's it's easier to get things in and out of a backseat if that door is slitting out of the way than if it's just open for sure. So it may be, you know, okay, we're not as obsessed with style, but this is a more practical thing. And maybe I don't think in Europe, they have the stigma towards van like cars that they have here. Here, like, I don't know what it'll take for like vans to be cool in America like ever again. ID Buzz couldn't really do it, and that's about the best we got.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's see, the 26 Carnival, they call it MPV, not a, it looks kind of like an SUV, but it's got a sliding door, the Toyota Century. So there's a few out there, but we don't have them.

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  Two in the Ruby, one in the Star says, if you could have a watchmaker design and build a car, who would you choose and what would they produce?

• 1:01:10Matt Farah?

  I mean, I would love to see Richard Mille build an actual sports car. I mean, their watches, regardless of what you think about how they're, how they look, they're not, they're certainly not for everybody, and most of them are not for me. But the material science, the engineering, there's a lot, there is a lot to that.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Probably a reason they sponsor a lot of F1 drivers. You look at the car, you look at the watch, you go, yeah, that kind of makes sense.

• 1:01:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, all of their athletes and whatever influencers or whatever that that they represent, or they represent them, however you're supposed to say that. They wear a watch to do activities where you're specifically told not to wear watches. Tennis, golf, shooting, racing, cycling. These are activities that if you go in on the forums, people literally say, don't wear an automatic watch while doing this because it'll mess up the watch. And so Richard Mille goes, oh, you think so? And they build watches that are for these activities. And so like that kind of like technological technological achievement, I think their cars would look weird as hell.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Who makes the crazy watches that are like, you know,

• 1:02:22Matt Farah?

  Jacob.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  $500,000 with like the crazy complication movement.

• 1:02:26Matt Farah?

  Jacob.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  It'd be interesting to see what they come up with. It might look like the Blasteline Brothers car.

• 1:02:30Matt Farah?

  Well, I wrote for Road and Track this month about the Jacob and Co, the new Bugatti watch, which is a, we find ourselves in a hilarious crossroads because historically there have been many car themed watches and most of them are shitty. The only really good car themed watches are the Tag Carrera, the Rolex Daytona, the Tag Monaco, or Hoyer Monaco. And that's kind of it. There's not a lot of other car themed watches that like really work. Most of them are fucking, Chopin Milli Milli is pretty good, but many of them are corny as fuck. We now have, Bugatti has released a watch themed car. They've, they've fucking

• 1:03:14Matt Farah?

  inverted that shit. So we now have the Torbion, a car named after a watch complication that has visible fucking watch gears doing the dials. They fucking flipped that. And so now Bugatti, Jacob has now come out with a Jacob Bugatti Torbion.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  The watch version of the car.

• 1:03:32Matt Farah?

  The watch version of the car version of the watch. It's, we're in the fucking meta land for billionaires now. And so this thing is like a zillion complications and, you know, it looks kind of stupid, but it actually, if you think about the engineering behind it, it's really incredible. The, the complications of the Jacob and Co Bugatti Torbion themed after the Bugatti Torbion.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  I wonder what this will cost.

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  It's like $800,000 or something. It's fucking insane. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's an unfathomable amount of money. Although hilariously.

• 1:04:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, this morning I was browsing on Reddit, cuz I still do browse on Reddit once in a while. And there was a post, there was a picture of Jay-Z, who is a fucking insane watch collector, wearing the Patek Grandmaster Chime, which is like a three million dollar watch. There's like, maybe twenty people on the planet that can build a watch like this. Yeah, it has like, twenty complications, and is, dude, it has fourteen hundred parts, okay? Thing about this, the, the, notice Canyon, okay, is forty-one millimeters, okay? And it's, it's eleven millimeters thick, okay?

• 1:04:48Matt Farah?

  The Grandmaster Chime, and this has, I, I wanna say this has like, two hundred and forty something parts in it, okay? The Grandmaster Chime is a millimeter, uh, half a millimeter thinner than this, and four millimeters smaller in diameter than this.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:05:08Matt Farah?

  And it has one thousand four hundred parts in it.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  How many parts does yours have again?

• 1:05:14Matt Farah?

  Two, like, two hundred and fifty.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:05:16Matt Farah?

  Like, the, so, so, and, and actually, I saw this Reddit thread where the first comment was like, honestly, why would something like this be worth so much money? They don't know watches. And also, they, cuz it's fucking, to say someone's watch is worth three million dollars, you might as well say, you know what I mean, they're, they came from space or something. But then, you know, and it was a bunch of snark, and then a guy who knew a lot about watches, I assume it's a guy, wrote a very lengthy explanation, and you just saw a flood of comments underneath it that were like, "I never cared about watches at all, but this is fucking crazy, and now I'm like, researching the engineering of like, crazy watches."

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:05:53Matt Farah?

  And so, you know.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Is this a double-faced watch?

• 1:05:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you flip it.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:05:56Matt Farah?

  It's got complications on the back, the shit spins, dude. Yeah, it's twenty complications.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  It's got like, eight features, you know.

• 1:06:03Matt Farah?

  The way, go to the list of complications, if you scroll down, I'm sure.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Well, I zoomed in on the thing.

• 1:06:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, you did, oh, sorry, there is a... The, the list of complications is so fucking extraordinary.

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  And it's shit, you know, half of it is stuff that you never use, but it's a, it also is a grand and petite sonary. It's like a full chiming mechanism. So like, when you press the button, it just chimes the time out on, you know.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Like your own personal church bell?

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  Where does it say? So chimey, uh, does it, does it have it?

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:06:43Matt Farah?

  There. There, go down. Grand complications. So...

• 1:06:50Matt Farah?

  It's, oh, it doesn't even...

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  It's not even on the website?

• 1:06:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it does not even, oh, that's it on the right. Grand master chime.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Oh, this is it?

• 1:06:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  Oh, man, I was looking at the wrong picture before.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  Well, this one just has jewels on it, but it's, but, but you can get it, get it with or without the baguettes. But I just want to see, read the list of complications, because that's important. It's gotta have it. Case to the movement. Click, expand the movement. Alright, here we go. The list of complications. Grand and petite sonary, that's a chiming mechanism. Minute repeater with chime on three classic gongs. Strike work mode display. Now, that's, that's a, a display dial that tells you what mode the chiming is in. Alarm with time strike. Alarm on off indication aperture. Date repeater. Movement and strike work power reserve indication. So it has two barrels of power.

• 1:07:43Matt Farah?

  One for the, the movement to actually tell the time, and then a separate barrel that just powers the chiming function. Strike work isolator indication. That's a, a function to separate the two barrels. Second time zone. Day/night indicator for the second time zone. Instantaneous perpetual calendar. So that does the day, the date, the month, and the year for the net, until the year 2100. So it knows leap years, it knows the day of the week, everything. You never have to change, reset it for 100 years, or for 74 years.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Good lord.

• 1:08:19Matt Farah?

  Day date on both dials, month and leap year by the hands, four-digit year display, moon phase, 24-hour-minute subdial, crown position indicator.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  No stopwatch.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  Dude, click on, but that, can I, this is powered by fucking springs and gears.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  There's no, you can't punch in on that? Oh, what a shame. To punch into the movement because you can see, oh, there you go. So that's one side of it. And then on the other side, you can see, if you click on the back, those, in the center, those are the two power barrels in black. Oh, no, those are the date wheels, excuse me. The power barrels are, you see the, uh, the big disc, on the, the big solid disc on the bottom left at eight o'clock? And then another one, those discs have the power in them.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Oh, that's where the springs are?

• 1:09:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Good lord.

• 1:09:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, incredible engineering.

• 1:09:14Matt Farah?

  Fucking crazy stuff, yeah.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Um, so I, I'd wanna see what, what these folks would build a car, you know, what car would they make?

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  That would be, it would be weird to have like nine wheels and go every direction.

• 1:09:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, or like MB and F is like, what if a car looked more like a hamburger?

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, I only clutch kick on the second date says, uh, racers, uh, always do whatever it takes to win. Was there a race car driver that was so detrimental to their sport, it would have been better if they never raced at all? I'm sure it is, but I don't know them.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure.

• 1:09:51Matt Farah?

  You know, we, we read about people that acted badly, but in such a charming way, they became legends. You know, we don't know anybody that acted so badly that they were a stain on the entire sport. I mean, maybe you could talk about like the, the coke running or weed running IMSA guys.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  We were looking up that, there was a driver who got famous, he was a good driver in NASCAR, but then he got famous because he died of AIDS. And that was very rare, and I think he gave a lot of people AIDS, so.

• 1:10:18Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  That wasn't a great look for the sport, but I don't know if he was a net negative, like his, his presence, or was he, you know, also like a legend, uh, for good reasons before that.

• 1:10:27Matt Farah?

  This question, I think, refers to someone who behaved badly on the track, not like a guy who was like also a rapist.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, I mean, you could also look at, uh, recently, what's the F1 driver's name, Mazepin, the guy, you know? Dad was like a Russian oligarch. The sponsorship was not great. You know, it was a bad look. And during the beginning of the Ukraine war, he also was a shit driver. Like, he hit people, he crashed a lot, and then he had a bad attitude. He blamed the car a lot of the time for mistakes that were his because his teammates were doing fine. Like, all in. I mean, I was just like, I don't think he really helped F1 in any way.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  I agree. Unpimp your auto. You've mentioned some new cars that sound bad, but what new cars stand out as sounding good? Anything under 50K?

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  Mustang GT.

• 1:11:16Matt Farah?

  Mustang GT, absolutely.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  You know, any Dodge Charger Challenger. Well, I'm telling them not anymore.

• 1:11:22Matt Farah?

  I think the GR Corolla sounds pleasant. I think the Civic Type R absolutely sounds pleasant, as does the Integra Type S. I think they sound pleasant. They're not mind-blowingly great. I mean, a lot of things that make cars sound really good, that make small engines sound really good, are not included with stock cars. Like, ITBs and shit like that, you know? Like, you kind of have to, like, for like, an affordable car, like, you kind of have to, like, tune it to make it sound good.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, put an intake on it so you can hear the induction.

• 1:11:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But...

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Under...

• 1:12:00Matt Farah?

  Under, I mean, the...

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Hunter's tough.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  All right, the Hyundai Enes. They don't sound bad. They sound nice for what they are. They sound nice for what they are.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Subarus used to, but now they sound like everything, which is unfortunate.

• 1:12:15Matt Farah?

  They don't really do it for me anymore. Yeah.

• 1:12:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I got it. I think, I mean, GR Corolla just barely slides under the wire.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, the Z, I think the Z sounds nice. You know, the Z Sport in the 40s.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Keep it quiet, everybody. Don't make these V6s too loud.

• 1:12:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Keep that, keep the V6, keep that fucking chill. Yeah, yeah. Re-education through snap liftoff oversteer. Very good.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  That's work.

• 1:12:43Matt Farah?

  Is now the last chance to get a GT350 before they go absolutely bonkers?

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  Jason Fenske bought one.

• 1:12:51Matt Farah?

  He did. Why are they about to go absolutely bonkers? Why would that be?

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Ooh, maybe are they just the last corner people haven't... Maybe they haven't risen. Someone said below, further down, there's a question that a ZL1 sold for like 120 grand. Maybe it was a zero-mile car, but like, that car was $55,000, so that's doubled.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  Sure. Well, they don't make Camaros anymore.

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  They don't make these.

• 1:13:16Matt Farah?

  They, the ZL, it was probably a one, ZL1, one LE.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  Six miles on it.

• 1:13:20Matt Farah?

  You know, final year of production, something like that.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Sold to Hendrick.

• 1:13:24Matt Farah?

  And those, those will be, those will be valuable. And GT350R is like, a GT350, um, uh, not talking about maintenance, but money in, money out is, is a safe place to park money, presuming it works. You might go through tires, you might go through brakes, um, and they might be expensive doing sure. But if you're just talking about purchase price and sale price, uh, not a bad, not a bad place.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Uh, see, uh.

• 1:13:46Matt Farah?

  You're starting with what we used.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  A car with 7,000 miles was sold three days ago in BAT for 50 grand.

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  That would have been a great first ownership experience. 7,000 miles in seven or eight years and fucking let's go.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  These are both Rs. And one with half the miles was sold two days ago for 75 grand. Wow. So $25,000 more for half the miles.

• 1:14:07Matt Farah?

  That sucks. It sucks that it pays to not drive your cars. You know what I mean? If you, if it's, that's such a bummer. I hate that that's a thing, but it just is. But that's why, I don't know. That's why for me, cars are not really for making money. They're for, they're for enjoying the money I made somewhere else.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, look, for 50 grand, you know, you could choose between a barely specked up new GT. And I know, I know old versus, new versus used is not fair.

• 1:14:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  But like.

• 1:14:37Matt Farah?

  If money's real.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  We're not doing the car review right now, but if money's real, like you could get a 350R, probably drive it for free for a year.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It'll have CarPlay and shit.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  And then sell it again versus the other one will lose money.

• 1:14:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Purnedle Bindle says, uh, I'm spiraling down the bad decision train with late 2020 Germans. A 2017 Audi S8, a 2018 BMW M760, uh, or Alpina B7 and an eight, 2018 S63 are all about the same price right now. How fucked would it be and what similar or better options am I stupidly ignoring? Bro, you're ignoring the best one. The Panamera Turbo S is the fucking used German sedan you want. Full fucking stop.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Does handle. It drives way better than all of those.

• 1:15:29Matt Farah?

  It, it does. It, it goes stops and turns better. It's built as good or better. It's not as like screen heavy as the BMWs. Uh, 2017 S8, they're gonna stop making parts for that really soon.

• 1:15:46Matt Farah?

  And, uh, yeah, I would, I would be in, I'd be on Team Panamera all fucking day.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I would too, and they got better and better looking with each generation.

• 1:15:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and you could, you could, you could even save it if you got a GTS with the NAV8.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  That sounds so good.

• 1:16:01Matt Farah?

  They sound awesome and they're still very fast, yeah.

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, Racing Bulls on Parade says, uh, what are your thoughts on the Honda CRZ now? Since they've come back into view lately as a, somewhat as a forgotten gem or cult classic? Is it a forgotten gem that was judged too harshly? No, not at all. I reviewed one when it was new. Dull as fucking rocks and nothing has happened to make it more interesting since, so enjoy yourself.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  I'd have to drive it with, cause we drove one when they were new and I was so new to press cars. I thought it was cool and exciting, but I would have to drive it again.

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  You thought any press car was cool and exciting?

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  I did, cause I was driving my shitty Miata.

• 1:16:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was not. It was slow and it being a hybrid did nothing, I mean, they had an opportunity.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Which was weird, like that was a strange choice, use of space.

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  They, they, they tried to smash cut a CRX in an Insight.

• 1:17:00Matt Farah?

  And it ended up just being an Insight.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  But it looked like a CRX.

• 1:17:03Matt Farah?

  It looked like a CRX, like if they had done, you know, a very lightweight, you know, a, a real classic Honda, I'd have been on board, but that thing was dull as a rock.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Good looking car, which is a bummer.

• 1:17:14Matt Farah?

  Riders on the Geo Storm, that's very good. Uh, oh.

• 1:17:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, well, we'd sort of just talked about that one, literally those same fucking cars. Was that random? Or did you read that?

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  I read it before, that's why I mentioned the one.

• 1:17:30Matt Farah?

  Darian Lux, what is the future of the Camaro and what would you like to see Chevy do with it?

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  I wanna see them make it smaller. That's what I want. They're not gonna do that. Make it smaller, keep the engine, fine.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  I got a one word for you. Berlinetta.

• 1:17:47Matt Farah?

  Camaro Berlinetta. Know what I'm talking about?

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:17:51Matt Farah?

  The slimming of the Camaro in the 1980s.

• 1:17:56Matt Farah?

  Just give me, give me a Camaro Berlinetta. It was the, it was the elegant, it was the Lamborghini LP400 of elegant Camaro designs. No?

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  I mean, IROC?

• 1:18:08Matt Farah?

  Early, before IROC, before it got the flair.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  79 to 86, it says.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  But the early, the early ones specifically.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  And you want the T-top, I assume?

• 1:18:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of course. Of course do.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:18:18Matt Farah?

  I think it's time to retro future the 1980s Camaro. Now that we have exhausted the people who really give a shit about the 1960s design. It's time we pander to us.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  That's not a bad idea, but I just, I want the cars to stop getting bigger because the Camaro.

• 1:18:39Matt Farah?

  This could be, this could be done smaller.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  Performance is amazing.

• 1:18:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Handling was very good. Visibility, we all talked about, they could fix that, but the car just kept getting bigger.

• 1:18:48Matt Farah?

  Right, but think, if you did it like this, like Berlinetta style, like you could make it almost kinda like halfway back to the C7 Corvette. Where it was more like a four-seat Corvette. You know, that, that had the 80s styling than, than like a 60s muscle car. I've spent, by the way, this one minute thinking about this. This is not something I've been like secretly pandering on the side, so I'm kind of, kind of running on the fly here.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Love what you love.

• 1:19:22Matt Farah?

  But like, I think it's time for, like, IROC's have aged actually quite well. Like how they look. Not how they were built, or how they drive, but how they look.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:34Matt Farah?

  So like, I think a very, a very talented person with a vision could update the IROC's Berlinetta styling in a way that was like smaller than the existing car, but like very dope.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  That's true. Cause also, it's kinda like, you want them to take what Hyundai did with that concept and do that with Camaro. And, you know, and I know the sixth gen was smaller than the fifth gen, but like, let's just keep, keep going.

• 1:19:59Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  Keep going.

• 1:20:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, the smoldering rim, I've been seeing Vinfast cars everywhere in Dallas. How did that make it here, but not BYD or the big Chinese brands? Cause it's from Vietnam.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:20:10Matt Farah?

  Vietnam ain't China.

• 1:20:13Matt Farah?

  I mean, I think if you dropped Donald Trump in one versus the other, he'd have a real hard time telling the difference where he was. But legally speaking, the way our country is set up, Vietnam ain't China. And you can sell cars that are made in Vietnam, but not cars that are made in China.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they also, I mean, Zalopnik's got a good article on their finances, but they're losing money on every car. But I feel like they were tariffed even before Trump came into office. The prices on the Vinfast in the beginning were like 70 grand for a car that drove, from all of our colleagues, drove like shit, looked bad from a brand-new company you've never heard of. Like, it's just too expensive. So I think maybe they let him in, they're like, yeah, sure, no one's gonna buy these, but it's not, but the BYD, they're for sale for like 12 grand.

• 1:20:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Like, that will eat everybody's lunch.

• 1:21:01Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:21:04Matt Farah?

  Foshomoco.

• 1:21:08Matt Farah?

  Maybe it should be Fomo Shoko?

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  Well, it's

• 1:21:10Matt Farah?

  Fomo Co. Show.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Fosho Motor Company.

• 1:21:13Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  For show.

• 1:21:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, I thought it was a Taurus S H O. Fosho Moka. Oh, yeah, got it.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  I think it's both.

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know. Just watch Johnny's review of the Facelift Audi RS3. I was surprised by how much more he and Misha liked it over the pre-Facelift due to the tuning of the rear diff. Did you guys think it made that much of a difference? If so, would it be enough to upgrade?

• 1:21:38Matt Farah?

  It's really funny. I, I think unless you had the two cars immediately back-to-back, you probably couldn't tell the difference with the diff 99% of the time. And you only really can tell when you start to break traction on a track. I think. I had a very tough time telling you that, oh, this is better because of the new diff. Without, without literally having the older car right there to go, okay, well, this, this, this comes out of a corner here, here. It's really, it's, it, it can only put so much power

• 1:22:18Matt Farah?

  to the back. Yes, it's, they improve the system a lot, but like, it's not like real rear wheel drive. So it doesn't do the thing consistently every time. Whereas like at Thunderhill Performance Car of the Year, we had the RS3 and we had, I don't know, some other fucking rear, rear wheel drive car. I forget what it was. I don't, I don't remember. I'm sorry. But like, I could, the rear wheel drive car, I could do the same slide, more or less exactly the same, six times. Maybe I wouldn't quite do it right, but the car would respond to the input the same way. You do, you try it five or six times in, in, not just the RS3, but the Golf R.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:57Matt Farah?

  And it doesn't necessarily do it exactly the same every time.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:23:01Matt Farah?

  And it, it doesn't mean it can't do it, or it doesn't mean it's not, it's not substantially better than like an old system that doesn't have it like in the A3. But like, is last year's to this year's like that much of a difference?

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  There's just a lot more, there's a lot more electronics that are filtering what physics, what, you know, you're trying to get physics to send a message to the tire. But in between that, there's all this like torque shuffling, front and back, and then also side to side. So it's hard to get it, it's hard to tell it the same message every time.

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. So I, I would say, any upside of the diff is offset by the downside of the squeal. The other car had a round wheel, this one has a squeal, and I don't really like it. So, you know, take from that what you will. How do I pronounce that?

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Mateo's nuts.

• 1:23:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, Mateo's nuts. Oh.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Mateo's.

• 1:23:55Matt Farah?

  Mateo's nuts. Got it. It's speculated that the Ferrari Luce will mostly be sold to people wanting allocations for other Ferraris. What current Ferraris would be worth having to buy a Luce at 600K? Um, none of them. Sorry. There's not a Ferrari on the market that's worth having to buy an extra car to get.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you can just get a 296 if you want one, right? And I think that's the best one they make. I don't want to jump up to SF90 or the F80 or like those look terrible.

• 1:24:24Matt Farah?

  We had this conversation on the last podcast. What other, because it, because it, let's say you have to buy a Luce at 600K to get into a 296 Speciale at 600K. You're now spending 1.2 million to get the car you actually want. So that brings us back to last week. An Evoluto is fucking a million bucks once you're done. What would you rather give that money to Ferrari for exactly? With their current product lineup, like, mm, nothing, actually.

• 1:24:55Matt Farah?

  SiggsInside says, what are your favorite type of shoes to wear for long, full-day road trips in an automatic transmission? My heels get sore in my Nike running shoes and the accessories on my Crocs get caught in the pedals. Don't use Crocs with accessories. Get a set of car Crocs. Driving Crocs would be fucking sick. I would love to collab with Crocs for like a rounded heel.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  That's the key.

• 1:25:22Matt Farah?

  Driving Croc, that would be so dope.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  But that's the answer to this person's question is find a shoe with a rounded heel. I had some Onosuka Tigers that had a rounded heel. They're hard to find. Makes a huge difference versus the squared one. That's like the biggest thing.

• 1:25:35Matt Farah?

  So if I'm, truth be told, if I'm doing a long, full-day road trips, very often I'm fucking with the radar cruise control and I might even be taking my shoes off, just stretching my legs straight out behind the pedals, just chilling like that. If I have radar cruise control I can count on, I could do that for hours and hours and hours. I basically drove across the country in the Taycan doing that. Having said that, I normally do just wear, actually I'm wearing them today. I wear these, these are, I might, I'm sitting like AC Slater in the fucking seats. I can't show my shoes. But these are New Balance, what number are they? 933s.

• 1:26:16Matt Farah?

  And they're sort of like New Balance's version of like a skateboarding shoe, I guess, a casual sneaker with sort of a a flat slash rounded heel. And they're not, they're not as wide as my other sneakers, so they're good for driving and I like driving in those, actually. Mark Ferrari, the tired smoker. Uh, oh. Uh, wants to summarize. Who Alan Mann is, we talked about on the last show. Okay, Alan Mann was basically the European Gene Haas. Alan Mann Racing ran touring cars and did rally and did a field at GT40 at Le Mans. Had drivers like Sterling Moss and Graham Hill and built cars for, oh, James Bond, Goldfinger and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Okay, there we go. Thank you for that.

• 1:27:01Matt Farah?

  Johnny E.V. Gerberman, have either of you driven a Jag XKR or XKRS? Yes, I have a review of it on the fucking channel, the 175 edition.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  The car is great.

• 1:27:11Matt Farah?

  Good video, very fun. Cartier, LL Cartier says, why? Is it that the luxury watch industry? Has not adopted the customizing options that the car industry has? It seems wild, is it such a profit center for companies like Ferrari? Uh, do watch companies rely strongly on impulse purchases? Has it been trialed and failed before? If you mean, um, the, like specking out a watch that you sort of order. Uh, Porsche Design does that. You can actually order a watch to match your car. Um, uh. Many, uh, like, uh, uh, Rolex has a whole, quote, off-catalogue section. Where if you're super rich and a fucking good, you can order things.

• 1:27:57Matt Farah?

  That are not available to the public. Um, sometimes you have input in what they look like and sometimes you don't. They'll just present you with a thing and say you can order it. If you're like a super fucking boss at Patek and you get a world timer. They could put your preferred. Cities in their time zone, uh, thing.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  They did that for mine.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  They did. I've seen one of those custom, uh, time zones before. That's pretty crazy. So like.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  I did all the cities in Ohio.

• 1:28:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Most, uh. It's just the same time zone.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Just Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland.

• 1:28:31Matt Farah?

  You spin it around, it just doesn't do anything.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  Big time zone. Um. So at a very, very high level, you can do some sort of customizations. Uh, most watches are, are mass-produced and just don't, you know, they're not. Even, even, even Rolex, even most luxury brands are, the watches are made predominantly by machines and so, uh. So it's.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  It's not worth the trouble for them.

• 1:28:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  Uh.

• 1:29:00Matt Farah?

  Wait. Uh, two in the ruby, one in the star. I thought it would be cool if a car's turn signals and hazards could sync to the BPM of whatever music was playing in the car, both to make driving more fun and encourage proper signaling. Thoughts? I think we need standards. I'm sorry. Sorry to be a buzzkill.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  To signal. And that wouldn't, that wouldn't add enough fun. It would add a lot of cost to the purchase of your vehicle. Now you need a computer to control the light tempo in every, in the indicators.

• 1:29:31Matt Farah?

  Shazam and your blinkers.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be expensive.

• 1:29:36Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. Uh, Lemonhead says, any thoughts as to why car guys seem to hold the Terminator Cobra in higher regard than the S197 GT500? Oh, would you like to take this? I know why.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  I mean, the S197 drove poorly.

• 1:29:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Undersized, undersized rear tires. It was, it was just, it was a weird car.

• 1:29:58Matt Farah?

  Especially the early, the early ones.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  The early ones were underbraked, under tired, felt like more nose heavy than the old car did. I also think there's a nostalgia element, right? Like the Terminator just happened, it landed in our brains, locked in, it was the right time.

• 1:30:13Matt Farah?

  The Terminator landed with, so, so the GT500 also had a solid axle, still, until 2050, until the, the most recent one, had a solid axle. And in the early, in the 07, 08 ones, like it was very shitty. Like I drove it when it was new, it was super shitty. Them things are trash. In 01, Ford got sued, class action, the cars weren't making the power. And so they fucking, they, they had to fix all these cars. They had to like retune them all. It was very embarrassing. They said a car is never going to make less than advertised horsepower. Again, they, their, their next car had this fucking blower on it. That was the first thing, but it also had independent rear suspension.

• 1:30:56Matt Farah?

  So it was the best handling Mustang of all time as well, with the new technology and all that kind of shit. So it was a groundbreaking car in Mustang. And it also happened to drive pretty good for what it is, whereas the 500 kinda didn't.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I bet if you put equal tires on them, I bet the old car would outhandle the new one. Just because of the live axle situation.

• 1:31:19Matt Farah?

  And then the holding it higher regard is definitely among people that like, drive the cars, modify the cars, like, things like that. If you asked a blue chip collector, which they'd rather have in their collection, they'd probably tell you an early GT 500. Those cars aren't driven. They sit in collections. They have no miles on them, probably because they suck to drive, but they're actually decent investments. Shelby's, undriven Shelby's, as we just mentioned, are historically very good investments.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  They look cool. They made lots of power. They did not, from what I've heard from people at magazines, they couldn't get it to hit the top speed that was advertised.

• 1:31:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, well, that was the 2014, the 12 to 14. Yeah, so that one they couldn't. But I'm talking earlier than that, yeah. Riders on the GeoStorm? Oh, why?

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Because these are the new questions.

• 1:32:08Matt Farah?

  So this was repeated because we didn't cover it from last week, is that why?

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  No, no, we just covered the repeated, the old questions, and now we're in new questions, but they're posted by the same page, right?

• 1:32:17Matt Farah?

  No, this is, that question.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Oh, did I copy and paste? Uh, oh, I moved some up, that's right.

• 1:32:23Matt Farah?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait. Uh, Habibi Comeback says, what is the newest car you'd want to resto mod? The newest car?

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:32:36Matt Farah?

  In 20 years. I don't, I wouldn't need to do anything newer than 20 years.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  I would take a new Alpha Quad and just redo the interior. I think the exterior is stunning, and I think it's fast enough and all that stuff, but I think if you could make an interior that was equally beautiful and not just parts shared with Fiat, that would be pretty cool.

• 1:32:58Matt Farah?

  That's not, it's not, there's no, there's no resto, that's just mod, because it's new. There has to be a resto.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Why don't you find a clapped out one, and then you restow it? Like, what, you know, I mean, what are we defining?

• 1:33:08Matt Farah?

  It's a made up game, who gives a shit? Koji Koji says, if running a rear seat delete and half cage combo in your car, would you prefer to leave the rear interior bare metal or cover it up with some soft material like cloth, like GT3 Club Sport spec? I mean, look, that's, if you're doing that, like, that's a track car, right? But like, carpet doesn't weigh very much. Like, whatever, whatever like, basic cloth it would cost to cover up like the bare metal part of your rear seat, dude, it's like, probably the same amount of weight as like a gallon of gas.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Matt Farah?

  Like, if you're not driving for time.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  And it would look so, like, the bare metal inside on a car that's driven on the street looks like shit. It just, it looks like an unfinished vehicle.

• 1:33:59Matt Farah?

  I've gone bare metal twice now. My Mini, I took the rear seat out and I did not do the, get the nice $800 rear seat delete cover thing. And then the Fox body, I took the rear seat out and did not get a professionally rear, and in both times, I absolutely regretted it. It saved me no noticeable weight at all. It just made the car louder in a bad way.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  And especially if the car has a trunk, which your Fox body did, the noise that comes through, like, when I fold my seats down in my car, it's so much louder, the tire noise that comes through. So, having a panel is a good idea.

• 1:34:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  I don't, it, half cage, like, if you drive it on the street, I just think it looks so much nicer. It'll look like a higher-class vehicle.

• 1:34:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:34:40Matt Farah?

  There it is. Thanks, everybody. Them's the questions. Um, we appreciate you guys very, very much. Uh, look out for these announcements for when we have, uh, tickets available for our Detroit show in August. I believe it's August 13th, Thursday of Dream Cruise. Uh, don't forget, we're giving away a Porsche 911 Turbo. We're gonna have a new video about that, uh, coming up very soon, but the link is in our Instagram bio. That, that game runs until August as well. I believe it's August 20th. Um, 992 Turbo S, modded by us. It's going to be real delightful. Uh, we've driven it a bunch and it's fucking so sick. It's so fast. Uh, so you can enter to win that. And do we have anything else to offer? Zach, right now?

• 1:35:24Matt Farah?

  Last chance for TST fans to get, uh, for patrons to get their hands on, uh, the Berry Notice Canyon, if you want it.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Watch the Evoluto video. Also, your Nissan Nismo video is coming out next week.

• 1:35:37Matt Farah?

  The 18th, Nismo Z.

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  So, keep an eye on that.

• 1:35:41Matt Farah?

  Please watch these videos, please. I went all the way to Northern California for one day to make it. Please. Um, that's all, everybody. Love ya. See you later.