#2498 - Brendan Schaub

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• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Hey, what's up, brother?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  What's happening, my man?

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  What's going on?

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  This is a good time for you to come in, man. Right after this weekend?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Pretty good timing, brother.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I mean, everybody's talking about the Shawn Strickland-Hamza fight and the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Van?

• 0:32Speaker 01

  And he's only been fighting about five years. That's what's scary.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  Five years.

• 0:37Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  And he has some holes, for sure, that certain guys are, you know, exposed. But five, think how-

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  He's not the best on the ground.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  He's also 24.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  He's 24, yeah. Crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing, it might be the best in the UFC.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  It's up there.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  It's up there.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Him or Ilya?

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, Ilya.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  It is pretty good.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  The thing about Ilya is Ilya is one punch night-night. That's the difference.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout artist. But then also Josh-

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Maybe Davidson, Figueroa.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  True, true.

• 1:09Joe Rogan?

  He was starching people.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  He was. But with Josh, too, again, he's 24, but in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his face.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  Well-

• 1:19Speaker 01

  That's the other thing. Like, his defense was so bad.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  I think it was that Joshua Van's offense was so good.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  You know what? I bet it's a combo of both.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a combo of both.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Because Tyra's primarily a grappler. I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter. And he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like, I rewatched some of it today, and I was like, "Good lord, that's pretty."

• 1:50Speaker 01

  So good.

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  He looks so good.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  And again, 24.

• 1:53Joe Rogan?

  24. And, you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the, the, and not, not me, I'm sure not you, but there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  I guess Pantoja's a motherfucker.

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  Pantoja, Pantoja's a straight up assassin.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Okay, how would he do against Pantoja?

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  Hey, man, his stock went up after this fight, I'll tell you that. Look, it was, it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Van Ghe paste him up on the feet, man.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  But again, at 24, so let's say they do the Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4. And let's say Pantoja gets that win. All good. He's 24.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  He's gonna be your champ for a very long time.

• 2:39Joe Rogan?

  And how long, how old is Alexandre Pantoja at this point?

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, flyweight's tough. 36. 36. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, mm, that's the beginning of the slide, right? That's the beginning of the slide. For welterweight, you're like, ooh.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  But at flyweight?

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Oh, bro.

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. Heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Oh, we're cooking at heavyweight.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  Look at Francis. Francis is like 38 or something? Is he 38? Francis is in his fucking prime. Nobody looks at Francis and goes, oh, he's over the hill.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Oh, never. No.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  Not at all.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  No, there's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now, the heavyweight divisions.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  How old Volkov?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  59.

• 3:24Joe Rogan?

  Honestly, I used to train with Volkov back in the day. Right. He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and remember he had, in Bellator, and then when he first got to UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back?

• 3:40Speaker 01

  He had the sting, right?

• 3:41Joe Rogan?

  And he changed it into that Japanese mask.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  I like this.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  It's so dope. I like to think I'm the one that kinda bullied him into doing that, cuz like, it's all I ever talked about for like 6 years when he fought. And he comes out with just this dope ass samurai tattoo. I'm like, yeah.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, sometimes you realize like this ain't making it. I gotta fix this.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially that. People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back?

• 4:05Joe Rogan?

  Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have? That motherfucker's feet are tattooed.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Like his entire body's tattooed.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  How good did he look?

• 4:13Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  This thing, my, you know, my-

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights and I, MMA's tough, dude. MMA's tough to fucking pick.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  So, uh, with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I, I told my brother, I'm like, literally, put your mortgage on Sean Brady. Cause Joaquin Buckley did an interview like a week before. He's like, I'm not even working on grappling. I'm not wrestling or grappling. I'm just gonna keep this thing standing and knock this motherfucker out. I was like, oh, buddy.

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  No way. He really said that?

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can find it out there, Jim.

• 4:44Joe Rogan?

  But that could have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get Sean Brady, because Sean Brady probably saw that interview too.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and was like, cool, say less. And just-

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I mean-

• 4:53Speaker 01

  10, 7 rounds? 3 of them?

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  I know. It was nuts. But I mean, you could say that-

• 4:59Speaker 01

  I get, I hear ya.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  If you were just playing mental games.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  I getcha.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  But maybe he actually did that.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  And it appeared so.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  It, well, hard to say, because that's how good Sean Brady is. Hard to say.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  It's just tough when you lose like that. Cause you go back to the, you go back to the locker room, you're like, fuck. We're not even in the same ballpark.

• 5:21Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Like I'm, what am I gonna do? You look at your coaching staff, you go, what are we gonna do? I thought I was a top 5 guy.

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  I just got beat 10-6, 3, 3 rounds in a row.

• 5:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I was, I was gonna bring this up. So I, I have some insight to this. So there was a very strange betting behavior. Um, it, it says it turns out to be meaningless. BetOnline cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved, uh, from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So this is what happened. Um, there was money that moved very quickly before the fight and, uh, the UFC, obviously, because they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. And so, um, I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online. So you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the, let's find out what the cap they put on it was. Um, but then-

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  You, um, they, they were gonna go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out, Sean Brady's got an injury, and then all the money jumps up. Cause that, a lot of times, that's what happens.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  But they, they did it right? Cause I, I, before, they would just cancel the fight. Like, "We don't know what's going on here, we can cancel the fight." No, just take the fight off the betting sites.

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, they only did that one time. They did that one time with the Alexander Hernandez. I don't remember who he's fighting. I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting. But they did that with that fight. And I thought that was really crazy.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 6:51Joe Rogan?

  They asked Alexander, like, "Are you okay?" He's like, "I'm fine. Like, I am planning on winning this fight." But for some reason, he became an underdog.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  And nothing came out from it either.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Like, I, I wish they'd be a little more transparent, like, "Okay, we looked into it, it's our bad, this," you know? But they just canceled the fight, and so everyone, now we just assume...

• 7:10Joe Rogan?

  Something happened.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Something happened, somebody's being dirty.

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight. Um, fuck, who did he fight? He fought someone on a fight night. It was a very good fight. Very close fight, the dude was very good.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  But I, I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh, Michael Johnson, that's right.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  It was supposed to be Michael Johnson.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  But they didn't have that fight, and then who did he fight next instead? So let's just go over this real quick before we figure out who he fought amid suspicious betting movement. So what, but what is suspicious betting movement? Like, what if you and your boys all go, "Fuck it, I'm going all in," and you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley?

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Will that change it that dramatically, though?

• 7:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't, that's the question.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  According to this, I think it's that they had certain, they have, I think they have, uh, certain accounts that they knew.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Oh, were shady?

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, not shady, but I mean, they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always were betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or whatever, and maybe one or two of them changed.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Gross. Two of the judges scored that fight?

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Trying to see.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  30, 25.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  "Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts."

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:24Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you better get a new account.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Figure it out.

• 8:28Joe Rogan?

  They're on to you, bitch.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  They also said that they called Sean Brady to here at the bottom, I was gonna point out. Says someone called him to let him know and he's like, "Well, I'm fine."

• 8:35Speaker 01

  I love it. He goes, "I'm gonna beat the shit out of this guy. What are you talking about?" And they're like, "Yeah, you're good to go."

• 8:39Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said, too.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  That's a bummer.

• 8:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is a bummer.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  But you can also understand, you can also understand from the UFC standpoint, be like, because when it happened, especially then, they're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa."

• 8:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. No, they're in a bad spot right now with that because until that gets resolved, the, look, the fight game has always been connected to fucking shady people.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Always.

• 9:03Joe Rogan?

  That's the Marlon Brando movie, On the Waterfront. I could've been a contender.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 9:08Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:09Joe Rogan?

  It's...

• 9:10Speaker 02

  That's who he lost to.

• 9:11Joe Rogan?

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• 12:27Speaker 01

  But I think too, back to the bedding, I think that's also a reason... And why now more than ever fighters against so much hate. Cause if you, you know, you have a nine to five and you make a thousand dollars a week and you put 500 on say Hamzat.

• 12:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  And he loses that 500, that's why it's so toxic now. Cause yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters get so much more hate these days than they did. Even when I was fighting betting was a big thing.

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  No, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Hoffa? Why am I saying it wrong?

• 12:57Speaker 01

  I feel like it's Rafa.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  I think so too. I think I went Brazilian on me.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 13:01Joe Rogan?

  For a minute there. Yeah, that you made a real good point about the betting. Cause that's why people are getting so upset. Cause they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now it's like. A polymarket and all these different things. You could bet on. You know, fucking anything, anything.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Anything.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  How about that fucking soldier? That got busted.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Tight move.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  He bet that Maduro was gonna get kidnapped.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Dude, if you don't, but my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win.

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  This dude was betting on his fucking team to win.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a pardon, you're at your goddamn mind.

• 13:44Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  That guy's awesome.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird one. That's a weird one. Um, but I mean, why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  Like that.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 13:56Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Like if you get mad at that people, what a hypocrite.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  You're also dealing with a special forces guy who, it's not like they're compensated that great. And he was like, oh, I'm gonna bet the house that we fucking get this idiot.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. And by the way, he's betting on himself because. It didn't have to happen.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 14:13Joe Rogan?

  It didn't have to work. They could have all got killed.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  It's like Pete Rose too. It's like you keep him in the Hall of Fame. I think they're gonna let him in now that he died, but.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, great.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  That helps.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Thank you. But it's also like, he never bet against his team. It's pretty gangster.

• 14:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's true.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure.

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Jamie looked that shit up.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  I read something online.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  He might have bet against his team at least at one on one game. I don't know if that's true though.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  I'm rooting for Pete Rose.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  But I just read something. I mean, they might've been a Pete Rose hater.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  That's what I thought. That's what, that's what, that's what I heard.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if he only betting for his team, I feel like that should be legal.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. That's like this special forces guy.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  What, you're trying to win harder? You're trying to win harder because you want money? Yeah. That would be good.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  That special force guy like, dude, you're really into this.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Fuck, yeah, dude. I got a million bucks right on this.

• 14:58Joe Rogan?

  No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds, though, there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have read speculation.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what the, say, personally believes Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point. John Dowd said, but even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So if, I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter. I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? You're just betting to win. Now betting to lose.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Different story.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  Different story. But bet, so if you're just saying, is that because you can't tell them how to bet? Like, if you're gonna let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want? Like, man, I don't know if I'm gonna win this fight.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Man, I'm not feeling good.

• 15:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try, but I think I might lose, so let me just see if I can make a little extra money, just in case I lose. Say, well, I tried my hardest, I lost, but.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Still made some money.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  You made some money.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  That's good. It just opens a can of worms you don't wanna deal with. So like, nobody's betting.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, because then, what if you won? You're like, I won, yeah, but I lost money, because I fucking bet against myself, I'm an idiot.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 16:12Speaker 01

  You made no money this fight.

• 16:15Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to be a fucking psycho, like, to try to win, knowing this is gonna cost you money. Like, your whole campaign, your fucking trainers, your manager, everything.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Fucking nightmare. What's like the, the Hamzat Strickland fight? You and I, right when that fight got announced, we text each other and I went, good fight, good fight. I know everyone's gonna, you know, Hamzat's a big favorite, but we both went, I don't know, man. I can see it.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  I was, I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive. And the thing about Hamzat is, if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not, not expand a lot of energy, like he did with Drekis.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  That's an issue.

• 17:00Joe Rogan?

  You can't do that with Shawn. Shawn is not gonna sit still, he's very hard to hold down, he's got super underrated grappling, super underrated. You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat, like, later in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times, like, it's. He ain't easy for anybody.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Far from it.

• 17:19Joe Rogan?

  And he had a blown out shoulder.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Boom. That's the other thing. Everyone's like, well, you know, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut. It's like, well, hold on.

• 17:26Joe Rogan?

  Sean had one arm.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat. No one wants to talk about that. The most significant punch was in the second round.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  He flash knocks out Hamzat. And Hamzat's like, oh shit.

• 17:38Joe Rogan?

  And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  And still defended.

• 17:41Joe Rogan?

  I noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. He, before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm. So he's warming up, he's doing this.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  And he keeps doing this.

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  But he kept doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do if my shoulders hurt.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  To see how hurt it is.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 17:55Joe Rogan?

  How's it feel?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Feel the range.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. How's it feel? And he was only going to here. He was only going to here. He kept doing, but deadpan killer look on his face.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  That motherfucker still won.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Still won?

• 18:06Joe Rogan?

  Here's my thing about it. Still fought when a lot of guys would have pulled out.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Couldn't agree more.

• 18:09Joe Rogan?

  A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm. I'm pulling out.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland too, now that he won, people are like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer? 1,000%.

• 18:20Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  100% he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland too, it's like, he's going to be a bigger star now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here. Like everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechenians or Dagestans, or wherever these war-torn countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out. Dude, Strickland grew up a poor, white kid in America. Disenfranchised. Dude had an abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland. So against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat arguably the best striker in the middleweight division of all time. When Izzy Adesanya. Beat him at striking, at fucking striking in Australia.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  And then they give him arguably the best grappler of all time in the middleweight division, and he beats him. So he, we're, all, all of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 4.4. Vertical.

• 19:27Joe Rogan?

  He's got one bad leg.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  He.

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  From a motorcycle accident. It almost ruined his whole career.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  I get chills talking about, dude, he, he's a, he's the guy, he's that blue collar guy through hard fucking work. Is a Hall of Famer, bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. And was under, in, in all his fights, he's an underdog. Fluffy, underdog. DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. Uh, Hamza, under, massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog.

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  Second fight with, with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up too. Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 20:00Joe Rogan?

  Crashes dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him he had to fight. So he had to take the fight. So he had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. And if, one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, uh, in particular in this fight. I noticed it was, they were awkward sometimes.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes they just looked weird. Like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Compromised.

• 20:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes. 100%. And I saw some of that in the second, Strickland, the second DDP fight. You know, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird. You know, which sometimes he does anyway, because he goes around the guard.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  It's awkward.

• 20:34Joe Rogan?

  It's strategic.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  He's throwing shit that you, you're not gonna block correctly, and then he's gonna land you clean shots. But when you see him, when, there's nothing wrong with him. Like, he had this giant break. Cause he punched somebody and, and some fucking low level promotion.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 20:49Joe Rogan?

  Got in a cage, punched somebody.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  So they gave him.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  He's a wild boy.

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  He's a wild boy. So they gave him like, uh, eight months suspension, something like that, six months suspension, whatever it was. Um, so you see him against Hernandez, where he's perfect, and he looks fucking phenomenal.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Best I've ever seen.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  His striking looked phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh god, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy. He looked better.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Best we've ever seen.

• 21:17Joe Rogan?

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• 21:56Joe Rogan?

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• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, go easy on journalists.

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't really read anything, by the way. I really read the headlines, and then I move on.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  You gotta be careful with journalists. I'll listen to former fighters, or people that have been around the game a long, long time. If you have Hamzat winning, yeah, okay. Nobody was robbed, but I can give you a pretty good argument why Strickland won that fight.

• 22:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  You know, I can give you a damn good argument.

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  I think he won the fight. It was like, I was talking to him inside the octagon before the fight. I said, "What do you think?" And I said, "It was really close. It was really close." Because you really never know with judging. You know, we've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge, so you don't know. So, you know, in my opinion, I would have to go over and watch it again, because when I call fights, I'm just calling them.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  It's tough.

• 23:18Joe Rogan?

  I'm not really scoring them.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Super tough.

• 23:20Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, because like, what you're trying to do is make... Some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  You're also listening to your other.

• 23:33Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Partners in the booth.

• 23:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, well DC's great at that. DC is the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to like wrestling in particular because he's such an elite wrestler and there was a lot, there was a lot of wrestling moments in that. So like, that's what you're doing. So you're not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent. Like Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do was he would write, he would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy. And then he would have categories. Strikes, kicks landed, punches landed, takedown, submission attempts. He would, he would mark all these different things. Like every time something would happen, he would mark it down. And then he would also go by who landed the most damage. And he was really good at it. Like he was

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  very accurate. In terms of like, I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  But if your intention is to score the fight, like you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating?

• 24:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  I can do that. It's like, I do commentate for a game, Brad, and there was a fight, fight of the night, and Jimmy Smith is going, who, who do you think won? I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  I go home and watch it. I'll let you know exactly who won.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  It's such a close fight. I don't know, dude.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won. Some, some wars like, like, let's, you know, think of like, what if Tyra and Joshua Van had made it to the end?

• 24:57Speaker 01

  That's a tough one.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  That's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Van definitely did more damage. 100%.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Which is number one thing they are supposed to.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Judge it on.

• 25:06Joe Rogan?

  So I would judge that in favor, like, because we had a conversation about the Gomez fight. Uh, who was Gomez fighting?

• 25:16Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Pat Sabatini. So, Pat Sabatini was fighting Gomez and all Pat Sabatini did was clinch him and try to take him down. Took him down a couple times, but when they were standing up, Gomez, Pat landed a few strikes, definitely. It wasn't like he was completely outclassed on the feet, but Gomez landed more. So I'm like, okay, I know Pat spent the majority of the fight in control, the majority of the fight clinching, the majority of the fight working towards a takedown, but it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gomez bounced back up to his feet every time, never took any damage on the ground, never got close to being submitted. And then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who was going after him, landing strikes. I don't know if it was enough to win though, because it's like, there wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down and

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  there was none of that, but Gomez was doing better in the stand-up, which when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  But, but the other thing you gotta take into consideration is like, I love DCs, one of my favorites, but DC has an extensive wrestling background. So he's usually gonna, not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive wrestling background, uh, if you listen to Kamara Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that fight for Hamzah because of the wrestling involved. But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background or it's more of a striking background, most of them score it for Strickland. So you always gotta, I take it with a little bit of grain of salt. When those guys, heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling, but they're, they're unsuccessful, like Tadons were successful, they're like, that's a takedown. Like, but he didn't do shit with it though.

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  And they don't want him to win because of the wild shit that he says offstage. Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far, but goddamn, did he sell some tickets.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  I like what you said though. You said, don't apologize. You're selling the fight.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  That's my thing too. It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that because. On Monday, I was so excited to get in the studio. I was so excited. I felt like, for the first time in a long time, the UFC's back. I felt back, man.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  You really think the UFC's gone away?

• 27:26Speaker 01

  No, no. No, I'm not saying that. Don't get to it. I'm saying as far as like, uh, Connor Khabib, like Bad Blood.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  Big time.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Couldn't wait. Like, I, dude, I was, I was, day before I'm taking, dude, I can't fucking wait. It was like, I was so hyped for this fucking fight, dude. It just felt like, you know, those Connor Day, Khabib days, those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it, and I usually can tell when a fight's gonna be really big, because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields, and dads will come and be like, "Dude, you think Strickland has a chance?" I'm like, "You watch fighting?" I'm like, "Oh shit." I was like, "This can be huge, dude. This can be fucking big, dude."

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  It was huge. And it was huge because of the way Shawn sold it. Hundred percent. Not just that Shawn has a ton of fans, for sure. You know, but it was the way he sold it. The chaos. People love it. They love that, and especially casuals. They love the chaos.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  I love it too. I love it too.

• 28:22Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. He makes things fun. Makes things fun.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff he says, but it's like, there's a lane for that. Hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And I, I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland, he's a good person. He obviously has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine, but remember too, people go, "UFC doesn't have stars." And then you get a kid like Strickland, who's building his name, this is gonna be the most watched fight, one of the third most watched Wayne's of all time. So, he's trying to be a star, so you guys are complaining there's no stars, and then when he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him. You know, so it's like, pick, pick your poison.

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're hating by the way he's doing it, right? That he's making things super personal, and, but, this is what Connor did. I mean, that's what Conor did with Khabib. Conor crossed the line many times with Khabib.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Buddy, the line's here. Conor was all the way over.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dilly Danis.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  That was my favorite. That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it framed in my fucking suit. When Khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage, about to fucking... But remember, before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all professional. He was all good. As soon as that motherfucker ended, he's like, now it's time to get to work. Yeah, dude!

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  That is a crazy photo. World champion just got done stopping Conor McGregor, and he's leaping into the fucking crowd, just like his nickname.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  And super humble. Yeah, the eagle. His talons are fucking out for his face.

• 29:56Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude. You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping when Bisping was down? That's like his logo? That should be Khabib's logo.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. With like wings on it, like a flying eagle.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  Fucking animal.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Dude, that was mayhem.

• 30:13Joe Rogan?

  I love that guy.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  I love him.

• 30:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you know, we appreciated him while he was here, but maybe not enough.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  But, but with, with Hamzat too, I also think a couple, a couple of factors that went against him, uh, on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight. Defending the middleweight title, you have this wild boy talking so much shit. So I, I just, I, I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue. Because remember, when I went to his camp, I called you. I'm like, "Bro, I've never seen someone so fucking..." I'm talking vicious. Fucking everybody up, destroying them. I was like, "Oh my God." So there, there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is,

• 31:02Speaker 01

  where that's not translating inside the octagon.

• 31:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Yes and no.

• 31:11Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent, dude, he cut 22 kilos. Listen to me, they, he got 40 something pounds. They were making it so- That he was gonna fight Yuri Prochazka.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  At 205.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, so he starts bulking up and he's eating like a fucking animal and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  He was 230, I think?

• 31:26Joe Rogan?

  He was above that.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was somewhere north of 230 and so then he's 230 whatever and so then he's gonna drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:42Joe Rogan?

  Your body deteriorates. You can't recover and he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  I heard it was horrible. Was your brother today was like, yes, we thought his body was gonna shut down.

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back and he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point. Which is, what is that? Was that like five pounds? No, no, I mean two pounds?

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Two and a half pounds, right?

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  Two and a half. What is it? It's 2.2, okay, so.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  But I think he was 230.

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot though. If you're already dying, you gotta lose two pounds of water.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a nightmare.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Two 16 ounce bottles of water.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  But when he was, let's say 230 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that? Do we know?

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Cause, cause when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yuri fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months.

• 32:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a few months, but when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly. He's heavy and he makes fun of himself. He's fat. That's a different fat, that's different to lose. You can lose that. You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time. So your body's using those muscles all the time. So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:08Joe Rogan?

  So you have to fucking starve yourself or you do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink of death.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  That's what fucks you.

• 33:17Joe Rogan?

  And it seems like that's what he did.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Probably a factor, but my thing-

• 33:21Joe Rogan?

  Giant factor dude.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight, in these other fights, not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys.

• 33:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling, him in control.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  But no attempt to finish. That's my issue with him.

• 33:41Joe Rogan?

  True. He just wanted to secure the win.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  I think it's here.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, it could be. It could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Shawn, who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters. And always does.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  He always, he's always going after you in the final round. Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy, "Come on!"

• 34:02Speaker 01

  He looks, yeah, he gets better as the fight goes on.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. Part of that because of the beating that he took in the first.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  Right? I mean, he got-

• 34:11Speaker 01

  He got dropped too.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  Super close to stopped, probably concussed in the first. You know? I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed, where he spun Izzy's head around, and then hit him with, how many fucking left hands in a row?

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  Fifteen, twenty left hands in a row? I mean, let's count them.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  Let's watch that and count them, because it's crazy. He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're gonna go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  You're compromised.

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Probably you have a concussion.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:41Joe Rogan?

  Just by the way he went down, his head spun around. It was a, it was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  It was a right hand, yeah, and it spun him around.

• 34:48Joe Rogan?

  Picture perfect right hand. Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect. And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand. And then blast him with all those punches in the clinch, you're gone after that. You're, you're a shell of yourself.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  You're gone. I, I think my thing with Hamzah too is after, again, you, you could chalk it up to the weight cut, that second round, when he doesn't land that takedown and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked.

• 35:12Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I think his body was shut-

• 35:14Speaker 01

  We're six minutes into the motherfucking fight and you're cooked?

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  His body was shutting down and he realized that he went real hard in the first round, but doesn't have the gas tank. He said, "Let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm gonna try to finish this guy." Might have been a strategy.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round.

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  Right, because the stra- Strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big, like, he tries for a takedown, can't get it, he realizes, like, oh, Jesus. I'm not gonna be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round. Because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago. It is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport, where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. You, you, you pretend, you, you, oh, it's a 185-pound fight. The fuck it is.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, both those boys are over 200.

• 35:59Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  Strickland's a big boy.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Strickland, that night in the cage is a bigger dude.

• 36:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that, you could attribute to the fact that Hamzat is killing himself.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Well, what Hamzat say to Dana, as soon as he jumped out of the cage, goes, "I'm done fighting now, I'm going to 205."

• 36:17Joe Rogan?

  But apparently now, all he's talking about is a rematch.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  It's back on. It's back on. So my, you know.

• 36:23Joe Rogan?

  So what he's gotta do.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Love to hear it.

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  He has got to limit his calorie intake, and he's gotta literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So, you'd have to talk to someone who's an expert at that, but my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is, he gets himself down like 160 pounds. And the way he does it is, he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way, and he looks terrible when he does that. Like, he looks so tired all the time, but it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. But that is slow running for days.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 37:03Joe Rogan?

  It's a different thing.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  We can't do that.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly, and I, my personal opinion is, you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You, you have to be a healthy person. You, you can't just be big, right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  Because that's really what's going on. And we think these, oh, these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Will they fucking for sure don't recover 100%?

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Not a hundo.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Not a 100%.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  That's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like, a lot of people are like, "Oh, I don't like them," like. If it's a, if the weight is an issue at 205, if he's a hundred percent Hamzah, I know he might be a little undersized, but a hundred percent Hamzah could be a lot better than a seventy percent.

• 37:49Joe Rogan?

  That's great. Strickland ain't gonna do it. He's gonna, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Oh, a hundred percent.

• 37:55Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's gonna get crazy. You gotta fight him at middleweight, but he's gotta go to some expert in losing weight.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I'm not saying Strickland Hamzah at 205. That's not, no, Strickland's gonna, no, no, Strickland's gonna stay at fucking 85 and dominate.

• 38:13Joe Rogan?

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• 39:40Speaker 01

  No, Hamzah, he's, he's gonna do that rematch and then that's it. He's a 205'er. Well, I think he's, or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic when he can still perform. But he has to figure that out.

• 39:52Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever, whatever he was, we're guessing, right? That's what I'd heard, that he was north, north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that and he's got to do mad cardio. Just, just cardio. Like, working out, like, wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads, and cardio.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  I'm a big proponent of, do, do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport. Like, I see it across the board. Like, I, I get a little, a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Hamzat, you know, hitting the, the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd, I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top-level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor? No. Why, why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, running their hill sprints and doing all...

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Man, I'd rather you get your cardio in, uh, in your actual sport. I see it at the, the lower level too, uh, with, with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads, like, I don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder. Fucking, who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs, dude. Catch footballs if you want to get better at football.

• 41:20Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Yes, but not, not close to the fight.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, interesting.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Because usually what we would do is, like, uh, let's say you do, have an eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. And then, once we get a camp, the focus was, the cardio was getting it in, in your training.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Um, you know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked about this.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  He's pretty good.

• 41:46Joe Rogan?

  Pretty fucking good. How, how good did he look against Alal?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  Best back control in the game.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  So, and I don't, why is he so underrated? I don't get it. Why he doesn't get his dudes?

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  Purely young.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  It's fucking crazy. He's so good.

• 41:59Joe Rogan?

  The victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on him from then on out.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Think how, think how good he did against Evillove.

• 42:07Joe Rogan?

  I know. He's amazing.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, he could have easily won that fight.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  That motherfucker's so good.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Um, but he said that Marab does the same thing. Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever his four-minute mile or something, but as far as what?

• 42:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. He's not getting punched in the face.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  People should just go to Rob's camp, like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling.

• 42:37Joe Rogan?

  He does run. He does run, and he does lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it. But what he did say was that when he did that, because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was overtrained, and he said he was just too tired when he was going into, like, fight camp.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Yep, it's tough to recover.

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  You're doing all the other stuff, too. You're still boxing, you're still kickboxing.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Have to.

• 43:08Joe Rogan?

  You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting, because, you know, the Marv Mirandovich approach was very different with BJ Penn, and that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever, but they literally did no fight training. What they did is all plyometrics, and it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff's doing, because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this different, because that's what Sam Calavita came from.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks, right? Fact. But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't, when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't-

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Kim and his brother.

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it wasn't the most disciplined.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Different days, yeah.

• 44:05Joe Rogan?

  He was phenomenally talented and-

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Freak.

• 44:08Joe Rogan?

  Freak. And one of the things, won the world, the Mundials, at three years in to jiu-jitsu as a black belt. Like, nobody does that.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  That's why he's almost a bad example, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah.

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what he, the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:27Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, Shawn, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see, like, oh my god, he is so- Talented like what he does is like no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like that.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Shawn stuff is hard work.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work. Because they're not used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over and you're exhausted and when you're doing that, hell, they don't like that.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:03Joe Rogan?

  So some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be tuning guys up.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  Spot on.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  Because that guy got there and through a different path. I mean, George, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever and didn't even come from a wrestling background. I mean, George is one of the all time greats. There's not like one thing that George would do that would make you think like that guy's a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him like that.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  No, far from it. To your point, far from it. Cause I trained with George forever. And when we did, they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the agility drills, like nothing.

• 45:49Joe Rogan?

  Nothing crazy.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  But BJ was, BJ was crazy.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  BJ is crazy.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck can you do that? BJ could jump out of a pool and land easy, you know? BJ can, he has insane flexibility, like the way he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down. And they have a single and they are driving across the cage and he's on one leg hopping with zero fear of being taken down. Like.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  But to your point, like BJ's that talented, John's another one.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Where it's like.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Exact, exact, perfect comparison.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  They're so fucking talented.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  So fucking talented. And then the difference being like John always figured out a way to win and John.

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  If he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  Like the Gustafson fight. First fight with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson, he's like, he barely showed up.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  At all.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  Barely showed up in the gym.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  And then has a five round war.

• 46:56Joe Rogan?

  And pulls it out in the final two rounds. It's crazy.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 47:00Joe Rogan?

  Gets taken down for the first time, we see him get taken down by Gustafson, like, oh my god, Gustafson might be the man. And John pulls it out. So the second fight comes around and John trains hard.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Fucked him up.

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  And John fucks him up. I mean fucks him up in a way like, this is what would have happened if I tried.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  If I prepared the way you prepared, this is what you get. You get a fucking beating. You know, and this is the dance of like, who's the greatest of all time. And that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time. Cause John was all those things. Super talented and when push came to shove and he had to get back in into work and get the gear. He would do it. And he would pull it off against DC, he would pull it off. The Stipe fight was, I think that was not Stipe. That was

• 47:51Speaker 01

  No, that's when you, like when you talk about his resume, like alright, you know?

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  Stipe is the Stipe that, you know, ran through the heavyweight division. The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem. That beat Fabrício Verdun for the title. Beat Francis when Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin. That Francis fight, I really do.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  That changed him forever, I think.

• 48:15Joe Rogan?

  Cause DC knocks him out right after that. And, you know, wasn't the biggest punch in the world.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  It was a big punch, but I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, back to John being the greatest of all time, it's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck it's wild.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal resume. Youngest ever UFC champion.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Crazy. But as far as like, uh

• 48:34Joe Rogan?

  Other than Josh Barnett, did Josh Barnett win it earlier?

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Nah, I think John's the youngest.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  John's the youngest. So Josh Barnett was the youngest heavyweight.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Joshua Van Second now.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, so Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title, what, 24?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yep. And those boys were, well, it

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  Didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids? That is crazy.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  It's like when WWE guys get busted, you're like, oh come on.

• 48:55Joe Rogan?

  Like bitch, you ain't testing everybody. You just don't like Josh.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  The way to get him out. I love Josh. It's a way to get him out. But back to John, it's like you look at his resume, greatest ever do it.

• 49:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Beat the very best in murderers row.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  Murderers row.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Now, you know, it's not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. But then.

• 49:15Joe Rogan?

  You don't think so?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Not even close.

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  When Alex.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Especially at heavyweight.

• 49:19Joe Rogan?

  When Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's certainly comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champion, the Alex that beat Magomedov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prochaska, the Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill, like that Alex Pereira and John Jones in his prime would have been insane. That would have been insane.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  Tough to beat the wrestling of John. Like John's wrestling was on a totally different level.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  His IQ, the wrestling would be tough for Alex.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  What could he do to Cheryl Gahn?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 49:48Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Bullied him.

• 49:53Joe Rogan?

  Bullied him, got hold of his neck and like, I'll take that.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  But dude, if you, if you, if you go back and look at John, my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division, one through fucking 15, good luck.

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  That's.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Especially heavyweight.

• 50:06Joe Rogan?

  True, but.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Good fucking luck.

• 50:08Joe Rogan?

  But at light heavyweight, okay, so.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Not a lot of those guys are ranked in the top 10.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  How do you think Yuri, well, let's, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafson?

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Very tough fight for him.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  Gustafson in his prime?

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:22Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:23Joe Rogan?

  And you think that based on the Tashara fight? Cause he pieced up Glover, remember that fight?

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:29Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that was a video game combination. He knocked out.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Dude, Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC, that when John just reigned as champ, it's like if, if Alex was just born at a different time, maybe five years before, five years after, he's our John Jones. He was so fucking talented.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Huge, 6'6", 6'7", great wrestling, great world-class boxing, good at everything, dude.

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  Just hard in the division with the GOAT.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  You're fucked, you got fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex same time John and his parents did, and you're fucked.

• 51:00Joe Rogan?

  Look at what happened with Ilya Topuria. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway, think about Charles Olivera, think about Alexander Volkanovski, and he has blasted all of them into orbit, all three of them. First guy ever to stop Max. It's like, you will, you will, if you're in that guy's division, what are you gonna do? Especially at 45. I don't know what it's gonna be like at 55. Obviously, the Olivera fight was a one punch knockout, but...

• 51:28Speaker 01

  That was such a bad knockout.

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

  Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Justin's a big cat.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  He's quite a bit bigger.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Um, that's a tough fight.

• 51:38Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a, a different fight than Olivera. It's different. But, but fuck, then you see what Olivera was able to do to Max. You're like, good lord. Like, Olivera's a fucking beast, man.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Phenomenal.

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the only thing with all that is like, the, the 55 division, everyone's, no one's in their prime. Like, Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good, but not prime, prime.

• 52:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  And the issue is, is Ilya's just getting to his prime.

• 52:12Joe Rogan?

  Just getting to his prime.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Surging.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  And already one of the greatest of all time.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  He's a fucking problem.

• 52:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so like completely focused and dialed in. Great at everything.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Great at everything.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  Great at everything. And the crazy thing is, didn't even start as a striker.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 52:30Joe Rogan?

  Started as a grappler.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Now, his toughest matchup is Armao Sarukin. That's the motherfucking fight.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Oh, but that's, that's what I was gonna say. With, with Hamzat, he's not active. I know, I'm jumping around a little bit, but with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that octagon, weight cut 100%, clearly there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights, because he's worried about gassing out. RAF, take a game, take a page out of fucking Sarukin's book. Just wrestle all the, Sarukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times this fucking year. Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up, but he's active. He's staying active, staying in shape. Competing. Competing. And the UFC's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. So for Hamzat, dude, because he fights once a fucking year, which is not good, dude.

• 53:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  So it's like, stay active over there. Stay active like, like Armao Sarukin's doing. Keep your weight down.

• 53:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't... I don't know if he's interested in doing that.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  He signed with him.

• 53:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was gonna, he was gonna wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember?

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Uh, I think they wanna toss him like an Olympian, which I, which is, that's where it gets dicey.

• 53:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, here's my fear. There was a recent event, there was a very weird event. I don't know who did it, but it was, uh, kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jujitsu. Have you seen that?

• 53:49Speaker 01

  No, get the fuck out of my face.

• 53:50Joe Rogan?

  It was weird.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 53:51Joe Rogan?

  So, Glace and Tebow was fighting. Uh, I apologize, I don't remember who he was fighting. And he takes this guy down, and the guy catches, you know, he's trying to avoid the takedown. He catches his knee in a weird way and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Wrestling's a little safer, though.

• 54:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about that, cause this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but those, those guys aren't exactly like high-level wrestlers.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  True.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  You know, like, like RAF has, it's top-tier shit.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, no doubt.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  And it's so good.

• 54:20Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 54:22Joe Rogan?

  Wrestlers blow their knees out all the time.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  True.

• 54:25Joe Rogan?

  It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  But it's kinda what you sign up for. So for Han Side, it's like, dude, we can't fight fucking once a year, and then you have weight issues, and clearly there seems to be a mental block and you getting finishes because of your cardio. Let's do RAF, let's get this rolling, keeps your weight down, keeps you active, also keeps you in the limelight. Like, Armin has blown the fuck up, dude.

• 54:49Joe Rogan?

  True.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  He's a massive star now.

• 54:51Joe Rogan?

  True. Um, especially online. I don't know how much that translates to the general public. It's for dorks like us. Dorks like us-

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Fair fucking point, we are some dorks.

• 55:00Joe Rogan?

  Are riding his nuts.

• 55:03Joe Rogan?

  He beat Giorgio twice.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  It's such a good point.

• 55:05Joe Rogan?

  Uh, was it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts?

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Nuts, Uri Faber, he threw over the fucking thing.

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt? What if you hurt Uri?

• 55:16Speaker 01

  He's a bit of a meathead.

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a psychopath.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  He's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Dude, he's so rich?

• 55:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, literally wealthy.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Have you seen him on that stream? They go, so like, if you wanted to, like, buy a car, like, five hundred thousand car, what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, his dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not lazy at all.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  No, he's like-

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, he flies in the face of this, like, longstanding belief that we all had, that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, he's Batman.

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's gonna fuck you up.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  He does not give a fuck.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're some fucking dudes, like, I'm from the favelas, you know, like, good luck.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Cool, man.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach, fucking eating caviar.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  He gets, he pulls into LA, I watch his YouTube videos, you know, he shows him training and all the different stuff that he does. He, when he lands in LA, he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Bro, it's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off.

• 56:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Go and make fun of him for being rich.

• 56:23Joe Rogan?

  Built like a Greek god, can wrestle like a fucking elite, top-tier wrestler. And he can strike, and he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title. Because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Which is the best thing that ever happened to him.

• 56:40Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, because look how much, because we were fucking dorks and we knew who he was. But the general, like, especially online, no one, his profile's so big now.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I think, yeah-

• 56:55Speaker 01

  But those dorks, they equal sponsorship, money.

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants to.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  He has no reason to be upset.

• 57:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'll tell you what, Armenians, look at the fuck, shut the fuck up, man. Just shut up.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Great body.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  That's ridiculous.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Great body.

• 57:20Joe Rogan?

  That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Or get you in that fucking kind of shape.

• 57:26Joe Rogan?

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• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  It is one of the greatest caps to a career of all time. Like if he, all through what he's been through, wins the interim title, wins the BMF title. If he does that and caps his career off, you go, fuck yeah, dude, way to go out.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Brother, if he beats Ilya Toporat, UFC Freedom 250, in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger, it's beyond just MMA, UFC.

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is, imagine the headlines, dude.

• 59:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  And if he beats that guy?

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  In his prime, who's knocking everyone to the shadow realm? Says to Charles Olivera, I'm sorry, it has to be you. So has a celebration party the night before the fight?

• 59:37Joe Rogan?

  Had a party.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Had a party?

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  Was drinking wine and shit?

• 59:40Speaker 01

  No, he wasn't.

• 59:41Joe Rogan?

  Was he?

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  No, I think it was water.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Nah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched?

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, just checks all boxes.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Checks all the boxes.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Ju- I love both of them. But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos. At that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't know what the fuck's going on. It's gonna be great if Justin pulls it off.

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it'd be one of the greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire. Taporia plans to celebrate before the Gagey clash at the White House. Of course he's gonna celebrate.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Whatever he's doing.

• 1:00:22Joe Rogan?

  That's his move, whatever he does.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Doing it again.

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight bout. We're gonna celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that.

• 1:00:34Joe Rogan?

  That's some mind fucking half when you're in your hotel room. You know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram, thinking about 24 hours from now, you're gonna be fighting. And you're like, what's, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  That's how sure, that's how sure he is he's gonna beat the fuck out of you.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and when, did you see when all the fighters at the White House? Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy.

• 1:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  You're like, oh, fuck.

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Because why would you give your friend his toughest test?

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, for Gagey, that's the last fight. I mean, if this is really gonna be his last fight, that is the last fight.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  And it's smart. It's smart, because that, that Patty fight is, you know. Entertaining fight for the casuals, but as far as technical wise, it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy.

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Which he should do.

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  He just wanted to just go fuck you and just come at him and just throw caution to the wind. And just almost fight like he did like back in the PFL days.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Uh, World Series of Fighting.

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  That's what it was, right? Yeah, that's right.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  That's exactly what he should be doing. And, and that's exactly what he should have done. And then for Patty, it was, it was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can tell, like, and it's all good, this isn't a knock on Justin. All the gears, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen. It catches up with you.

• 1:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent, it has to.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  And now here's Ilya Taporia.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  But again, I, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset we've ever seen.

• 1:02:06Joe Rogan?

  And Trevor Whitman.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Fucking White House.

• 1:02:08Joe Rogan?

  The, um, Justin has an awesome series, uh, The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on, uh, YouTube and it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training and Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Nama-Yunis when she beat, um, uh, Yohan Yon Jiecheck.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:02:28Joe Rogan?

  When she beat Jong Wei Li, same thing. Like that, they love being the underdog in those situations. Like stopping Wei Li was nuts.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, that she was the underdog, head kicks her.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yep, crazy.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  And that.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  This is a little different, but I hear you.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  It is different.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  It's different.

• 1:02:43Joe Rogan?

  But it is, it's similar in ways. The Jong Wei Li is, cause Jong Wei Li was fucking everybody up.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Scary.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh, there's no one like her. The physicality of her at Strawweight, she was a fucking monster. Like her, her training was bananas.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:02:59Joe Rogan?

  I'd watch her training, I'd go, good lord.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Who's gonna beat her?

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  She's like.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Her shoulders and shit.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  But the way she trained, she trains like a dude.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? Like women.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Haircut to show.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  It's not, ah, and it's not a knock on the way women train. Uh, not, I'm not saying that. I'm saying like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like, like, like, like, like, like. Like she's trying to kill somebody.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Probably is, Joe.

• 1:03:25Joe Rogan?

  She might be. It might be natural. It might've slipped something into her noodles.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Did you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man.

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  I was, uh, I took my husband's vitamins and just had these steroids.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my husband.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids.

• 1:03:43Joe Rogan?

  You fucked up.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Is he an active fighter?

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I don't think so. Is he, no, he's probably just some meathead and he's like, yeah, I guess this works.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  Cause if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck?

• 1:03:53Joe Rogan?

  Now we're both fucked.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Say somebody gave you the wrong thing.

• 1:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  But, but back to Wei Li and, uh, and Rose, the, the difference with that is Rose was still pretty inner prime there.

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes, a hundred percent. That's, that's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Um, Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblett fight. He looked like he just was just being an animal. And Pimblett's fucking good, man. You see what Pimblett did to Bobby Green? And granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  He looked good.

• 1:04:26Joe Rogan?

  Against Jeremy Stevens.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  He just keeps doing the damn thing.

• 1:04:28Joe Rogan?

  But also, that style is so fun. Talking shit, pointing at you.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  He's fun, man.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  So fun.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  He's one of my faves.

• 1:04:34Joe Rogan?

  So fun. How about at the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like, "Come walk with me." And he takes me over to Dana, he's, "Yo Dana."

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him a bonus.

• 1:04:43Joe Rogan?

  He was just talking about how he's one of the most exciting fighters who's ever done it.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  He's awesome.

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, "Everybody knows that." He's like, "Why didn't you get my fucking bonus?"

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I'm, I'm kinda with Dana on the bonus. Dana goes, "Well, we do it also your strength of your opponent, like..."

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  Zell Huber was good, dude. He beat Zell Huber in his last fight and stopped him.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Badass fight.

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  He should've got a bonus.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  He should've got it for that one.

• 1:05:06Joe Rogan?

  That's what he was talking about.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Well, but for this last fight.

• 1:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  For his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens, great fight, great fighter, but you know, uh, compared to like the other guys on the card.

• 1:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  That's why Dana's like, "Well..."

• 1:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, no, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying, there's a, cause I even asked him, I go, "You didn't get a bonus for the Zell Huber fight?"

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  He got 25K, right? Cause I, didn't they change the rules?

• 1:05:31Joe Rogan?

  Cause he finished him.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  If you get a finish, no matter what, you get, but he wanted the big boy bonus.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  The big boy bonus.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I'd hate, I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  It's awkward.

• 1:05:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. Like, this is a $7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. The shareholders would have me fired.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't, you, you don't want me.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  I'd run that bitch like affliction. Yeah, you don't want that.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  You don't want me running.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:00Joe Rogan?

  The UFC, cause I treat it like I was a communist.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  I'm also, yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it too, cause I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, "Man, I feel like we could give some over here." But then, if you talk to somebody and they're like, "Oh, do ya?" Well, look at this motherfucker. I'm like, "Oh, my bad. My bad."

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  He worked very hard.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure he did, but that was from the UFC, from TKO, right? That was his payout and he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  But is he the reason they sold for 7.7 billion dollars?

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  He's a big part of it.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Probably a big part, right?

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  100% and the big and also he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, the whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. Um, I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody. You are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. There's without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:07:20Joe Rogan?

  It is the entire product, the thing you're selling is entirely fighters. And it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have and, and when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You see like tics that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies and the consequence is their health and it's for the rest of their life.

• 1:08:01Joe Rogan?

  And so if you're doing something that is, is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people. The amount of money that is left over for the other people, the people that are making the money, that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place, but I don't think the balance is correct. Now, I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and, and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love. And I, I think they should be compensated more.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I don't, I don't think you're, I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter. It's not even about being biased. It's, it's just.

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  Fairness.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace and.

• 1:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  It's such a dicey thing. And I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk. And I get sick of it too, because I don't know what you can really do. Because.

• 1:09:10Joe Rogan?

  It's simple.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Well, I go, is it though? Because here's the thing. People will go, okay, they've made 7.7 billion. Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But it's like, if the UFC is the only, the only sports, combat sports promotion to ever make money, ever.

• 1:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit. So my thing is like, is this, is this what it, is this just what it is? And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. They have this leftover money. I hear you. But all I'm saying is, there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series, we can go through the list. One championship. None of them are around, some are on their last leg. No one's ever been able to sustain it. So all I'm, and I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people are yelling right now, you're fucking it. I'm just saying, is fighting different? Where, hey, man, that's just, it's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's not MLB.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is. It's 18% to the fighters. I don't know, Joe.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. I don't know.

• 1:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Good points. First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers because without, I love it. The kids say that these days.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Give it flowers?

• 1:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Good saying.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  Have your daughter started using buns yet?

• 1:10:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they use that.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just found, my, my, my.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  It's bad. Buns is bad.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't know. I got a new truck. My son's like, I think it's buns. I'm like, is that good?

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  It's saying it's ass. I know, but buns are always like cute buns.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're.

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Young Jamie.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Young Jamie. But what were you saying?

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period. There's nothing even close. The product is so much better than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I've brought to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin, he was like, "The fucking production's incredible." He goes, "It's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's so much better." That is 100% true. They've also been a consolidated organization forever, right? I mean, it was a different owner. It was Bob Myrowitz back in the day in 97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on, so for the last 25 fucking years,

• 1:11:32Joe Rogan?

  it's been Zuffa, right? They sold Zuffa, now Zuffa's sold to Ari Emanuel, TKO. But the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind the scenes. That's another conversation with you. Yeah, it's still Anik. It's still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary. And, you know, Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanco. It's still, the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go in, say hi to everybody. I show my badge to the fucking security people. I say hi. We sit down. Everything is smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there.

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  The sound guy's on point. Everything is on point. It's so easy. Nothing does it better. Nothing close. And it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good. They always have the right angle. Giordano's always on the case when it comes to like getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for, like, if I ask for something, I got it right away. Like, I'll push the button. You know, let me hear his corner. Yeah. And it's boom, they're right on it. They're the best. High level. They're the best. The best. And you notice that when you see other promotions. It's like the other promotions, the camera works on as good. It's like, things are good. It's... The machine is so good and it's become like the NFL. Like, I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard of a game. Name one player.

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  No one's even brought up a game that's gonna happen. Never. I know it's a thing. Never. And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL. Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters. There's really good fighters in the PFL. Far cry from the UFC, but yeah. Some of them are really good, man. That cat that just knocked out Henner Farah. The guy who's the, um, the heavyweight. That is, uh, Fedor's protege. Oh, yeah, yeah, the Russian cat. Bro. He's good. Bro. He's good. And the UFC's fucking shallow ass heavyweight division, we could use that cat. We could use him. I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room with a fucking briefcase full of money. Like, let's go, dog. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it.

• 1:13:45Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  But, but, yeah, my, my thing with the UFC and when you talk about the staff and you gotta give them their flowers. They're the only one that's figured it out.

• 1:15:16Joe Rogan?

  They're the best.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  By far the best.

• 1:15:18Joe Rogan?

  Organization by far, and they deserve to be rich because of that. They've made an incredible product.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  So do the fighters, though.

• 1:15:24Joe Rogan?

  I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now, this is my position with my comedy club. So, my comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighter, the fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. That's how it should be.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  But let me ask you this, Joe, and if it's too much, we're like, dude, get the fuck out of here. But, but is your, is the mothership compared to the Comedy Store, the Improv, are you guys crushing them?

• 1:15:52Joe Rogan?

  It's doing really well. I mean, Comedy Store is always gonna be one of the great clubs on earth. It's, it's a legendary club. It's dependent upon who's there. The difference between the way the Comedy Store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend. Like, the weekend, it might be Dave Attell.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Joe Rogan?

  This week is Tony Rock.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Is there another club that does that? Is there, because Comedy Store's a little different, because you have your regulars. Is there another club that does that?

• 1:16:16Joe Rogan?

  Sure, most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is, they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:16:21Joe Rogan?

  So, the weekdays, we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe. Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different setup.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, is there anybody doing that? Because the comics have to be, my whole point is, however you run your business, it's like, is, is the model where you're doing it, where the comics are making the majority of the money, is that a sustainable business?

• 1:16:40Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. It makes money.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  If, if, if we take, if we take Joe Rogan out of it, and you, and some dude wants to start a club and did the same thing, is that gonna be profitable?

• 1:16:49Joe Rogan?

  No. You have to have the talent, but that's the difference. It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You have to have the talent, right? And the reason why our club works is because... Everything, look, it's pure luck. It's pure luck. Everything had to line up. We had to hit every green light. It had to, COVID had to happen. The Comedy Store had to get shut down. All the employees from the Comedy Store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand-up in LA. I had to be worried about my family and like the crime and the riots. And then the COVID shit, with everyone's wearing a mask, I was like, this is bananas. And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  But you gotta give yourself credit. Like, luck, yes, but you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You didn't have to do that.

• 1:17:36Joe Rogan?

  That is true, but it's all a lot of luck. Because it had to happen at the right time. It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money. You know, so it had to happen when the Spotify deal took place, so I had all this money. And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world, so I could easily get people to come.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  Because of you, Joe.

• 1:17:55Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but it had the line.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  And you're humble?

• 1:17:58Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. I'm just being honest. Like, it had a lineup. So I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here. And Ron White was already here, so Ron White's a big reason, one of the club, I mean, he was one of the main reasons why I moved here.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 1:18:12Joe Rogan?

  Because I was like, even if I never do comedy again, and I was really wondering if we're ever gonna do comedy again. Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  So when I moved here, and then all of a sudden Tony moved here, and then Tom Segura moved here, and Brian Simpson moved here, and Hassan moved here, and Derek Poston moved here, and it was like, oh shit, we got something cooking. And then Tim Dillon came here, and then it was like, oh my god, and then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like, holy shit.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Well, they're moving because you're here, Joe.

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but they had.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  You're the mothership.

• 1:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, but they had to do it before the mothership even opened.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Take a shot.

• 1:18:43Joe Rogan?

  They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after the mothership opened. But they all came in early and trusted me.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  And so I was like, okay, these guys, I owe them. They took a chance with their future. I have to throw everything into this and all together, we'll do it.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  So it's our club. It's really our club, but it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money. I had disposable income where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  And then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money. So that way you encourage people to stay. So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week. They don't have to go do shows other places. They can make money at their home club.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  You're doing it right, but I guess my example, like can the UFC do that? Cause my example for you, it's like, can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money?

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  They could in New York and they might be able to do it in LA. So I don't think you could do it in LA right now because the store is open. And the store is always going to be the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So it's on Sunset Strip. Even though LA is falling apart, it's still the legendary destination for standup comedy. It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to LA. It was Mecca. It was when I was a beginner and an open mic'er in 1988. They would talk about the store like it was Mecca, like you had to go to the store.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  They still do though. I don't think that's ever gone away.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Of course, it's, you know, the store comes and goes in cycles. Like it always does. It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town, who's there. It's a very, it's, all comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's the difference. Like so the store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think, no, it was Peter, sorry. I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think you guys should do that. I think you should like.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  But do they have to though? Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know.

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Big names.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  You will, but. But you could have those people there still as well. Like they could also do shows with that person and you have two other rooms.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  And that's what you guys.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  You have the OR and you have the Belly Room. You have three rooms in one location. Like you could still have the OR filled with top talent. Cause they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage or the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The OR is an amazing room. But the thing is, it's like, you have to have enough talent in town. And a lot of people moved out of LA. A lot of people moved out of LA. Yeah, Joey Diaz moved out of LA. Like, a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out, a lot of people moved out. So the problem is, you would have to have enough talent there, and then you'd have to have talent that was there all the time, like us. Like, we're at the club all the time.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  I think, and going back to if the UFC could do this, like, they're profiting so much now, there's no reason to. That's the other issue.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  This is the problem.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Do you want to hear my idea, though? You want to hear my idea? And you might be like, you're out of your fucking mind. And it's, and again, I'm not anti-UFC, nothing. You cut my fucking wrist right now, Bob O'Reilly spills out. I fucking bleed UFC, it made my entire career.

• 1:21:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  When that Paramount deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is, and this is the issue why things will never change. I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, "We're not fighting another fight." They just signed a huge deal, 7.7 million. "If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card, unless we get, I don't know, someone's gonna figure out 30%." So it's 18% right now. If we go up 30%, which they're still gonna have profit, if they agree to that, then we'll fight. But they, there's no deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now, so you missed the mark. Now, you're gonna say, "Yeah, but they can get other guys to do that."

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  And I'm saying, across the board, we all agree, as fighters, we're not gonna fucking move an inch.

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  That's the problem.

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  It'll never happen. Not in a million years.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  That was my idea.

• 1:22:52Joe Rogan?

  Then, here's the other thought.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Rally the troops.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Dana White has this thought about fighters, that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. But

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  That's, that's the other

• 1:23:03Joe Rogan?

  Armon Sarukian

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  And he's right.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  And he's right. Well, there's Armin, who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part, he's right. Go, go through anybody's career.

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  He's kind of right. He's kind of right, but it doesn't matter.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Look at Connor.

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  That's on them.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, agree.

• 1:23:16Joe Rogan?

  That's on them.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them for, unless you have a bonus that you're gonna pay them out when they retire. And they're, they're not gonna do that.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this, uh, it might've been McManey or one of them, was like, the other issue we have is when guys get paid a lot, and then we offer them fights, we're not getting the fights we wanna make. Once, once they have that goose egg, they're like, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. It's a nightmare.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  But again, you can't base it off of that, cuz I'm, I'm sure there's some guys who will do it.

• 1:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  And you fuck with them. But it's not a reason not to pay them.

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  Listen, it's, all this is hippie talk. But I feel like if I would, if I was, if I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just my feeling. And I'm not a good businessman. If you wanna be a good businessman, you gotta make the most money possible.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  I don't know, Joe. You've done pretty fucking well, bubba.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Lot of luck. Lot of luck.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  You gotta quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts.

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  No, but it is.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  You're driving me nuts, dude. You work harder than anybody else.

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, I work hard when I, when I, listen, I, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true. But

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  That's half the battle, bubba.

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  But I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like, if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say, I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say, I got money. And let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs. I don't know if you can run a organization like that and be prof- I don't know.

• 1:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it'd be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits.

• 1:25:00Speaker 01

  And, and, and this is, this is the only knock on the UFC I have is in order to get that 7.7 billion dollar deal, you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  So like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards. But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you know, you're signing these contenders series kids who have three fights, four fights where 10 years ago, those boys ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in, but now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent.

• 1:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, here's what's interesting. So, um, one of the players in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to the UFC was Netflix. They were one of the players.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  They were one of the people that were thinking about doing it. Um, so there was negotiations with them. There's negotiations with ESPN and ultimately Paramount was like this wild dark horse that came around with the big money.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  And I like Paramount. I have no issues. Yeah.

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Look, I love-

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  The ads are weird, but whatever.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  I love Mob Land. I love Land, Landman. Yeah. Mob Land is fucking great. Ever watch that?

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Dude, is this Audi? Is R6 in that?

• 1:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Dude, makes me want so bad.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  I was trying to convince my wife to get one.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that.

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking sick. They're so sick. It's a great show.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:18Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but Paramount has awesome shows. So it makes sense. I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, because I think Netflix didn't want the, I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard, take, here's the caveat, is that Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not want Fight Nights.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  Good for them.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  They only wanted the big ones.

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  They're like, get that shit out of here.

• 1:26:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of the Fight Nights are fucking awesome.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  We like them because we're degenerates.

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  The public's like, who the fuck are these guys?

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  And the Apex, there's no one there.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I love that Netflix is like, we'll take these.

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  I love the Apex fights.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  I love it all.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  I've been planning on going to an Apex Fight Card. I'm trying to find the right one just to go and watch.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  I'll go with you.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Let's fucking go.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  I would love that.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. I feel like I don't have any enemies there anymore.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  I kinda stood by the fact they didn't want the volume.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  That's it. That's how they said it, which we understood from the get-go. Ted Sarandos, who I love, Bella Bajaria, I don't knew her, we're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events, so the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view, which is just, we were just going to put on the platform for free, as long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in, we'll pay premium for it, but we don't want to carry the other 30 Fight Nights.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  They said we don't want the bullshit.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  But here's the thing, but then where would those 30 Fight Nights go?

• 1:27:46Joe Rogan?

  That's the question.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  But then, then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you...

• 1:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Fight Pass.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, Fight Pass. Could do that.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  Fight Pass.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  But to, to, again, the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO is going, well, hold on. The reason we get such a big nut, 7.7 billion, because we offer so much content.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every, every, once a month, which, for the fans, is fucking awesome.

• 1:28:15Joe Rogan?

  It makes sense for Zufa, and it makes, it makes sense for Netflix. I get it. All of it makes sense.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  It just wasn't a fit.

• 1:28:23Joe Rogan?

  But what I was getting at is now it's interesting, because Netflix has got a lot of money. Netflix throw some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers, and now Netflix is in the MMA game.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  I'm glad you brought that up.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  So, this is where it gets...

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Anybody's talk about it? Keep going. Sorry.

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  Us, dorks like you and me?

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  Keep going.

• 1:28:45Joe Rogan?

  No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. The point is, they're gonna do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see if it's sold out.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  It's definitely not, and the tickets are $88, but thi- this is where it gets tricky, because...

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  The more places fighters have to go, the better. Because UFC has no competition.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  It's a monopoly. All good.

• 1:29:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Which NFL is, NBA is. I have no issues with that.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  So if fighters, big name fighters have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  The issue with this Netflix and getting MMA, it's like, my thing would be, well, what's the plan here? So Rhonda and Gina fight this weekend. You got two four-year-olds fighting the main event.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  It's gonna get good numbers, but again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix, they're not gonna give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  No, they don't tell you shit. They say, "You did great."

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, "Really? Did he?" So they're gonna say...

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that?

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Netflix said this.

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they said 400 million people watched it?

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Some bullshit like that, some bullshit.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  So 100 million people were pirating it?

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So say 100... But so, and right now, you know, and I get Rhonda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, "We're gonna destroy the White House." I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzah Chimaev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers, I'm guessing. I might be wrong.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  I think they have like 60 million, right?

• 1:30:47Joe Rogan?

  How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have?

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  But this is what you're not taking into consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada, in other, like Paramount in Europe, there's not a thing.

• 1:31:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  So what are those views now?

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  You know, like when we're adding all this up...

• 1:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Paramount in other countries?

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  And then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view.

• 1:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. I think you're right. I think you're right. Okay, 79 million subscribers. So that's a big difference between... It says globally.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, half of them are in the US.

• 1:31:28Joe Rogan?

  35 million are in the US. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's put that into...

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the US.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just for the US.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Just for the US, okay.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Because UK's Sky Sports.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight, if that's an accurate number, 33 million, they're never gonna get to that.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  But remember, the White House is also on CBS.

• 1:31:56Joe Rogan?

  That's different.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  How many people have CBS?

• 1:31:58Joe Rogan?

  How many people are watching regular TV? I mean, maybe they might... 30 more views?

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado.

• 1:32:08Joe Rogan?

  He's your rabbit ears. Pick it up. They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, some people have to fucking move the antenna. The signal's coming in bad.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:32:19Joe Rogan?

  There's some people out there with regular TV.

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  That's wild. Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  And they're just getting their news from like, fuck, you know...

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Robots.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  Fox and fucking...

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  You getting Channel 2, 4.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  They can swear on Fox.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  Can they?

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  I believe so. Because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  I think so.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I don't think Fox is... Fox, well, there's a broadcast version of Fox, though.

• 1:32:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, but is it, uh, regulated?

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  I believe if it's broadcast, it is. That's the whole...

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  But Fox still is cable.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, but broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version...

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  It all has to do with over the air. What's available through the air?

• 1:33:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  That's what the FCC is regulating.

• 1:33:06Joe Rogan?

  So the broadcast version, meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna?

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's like a local Fox station.

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  It came way later.

• 1:33:16Joe Rogan?

  That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Channel 31. I remember, we wanted it for The Simpsons and Married with Children.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Simpsons, too.

• 1:33:24Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I am.

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of signals in most places.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, but it was always broadcast. Okay.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  My have fucking times changed now because there's like, we talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so many good shows out there. But it's like hot for like a week and then something else comes.

• 1:33:47Joe Rogan?

  There's too many things.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  There's too, there's too much. Like I don't, like there'd never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down. We all just kind of binge it when we want.

• 1:33:57Joe Rogan?

  True.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  And there's a new show here. It's not good, man.

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  True. That's a fact. That's a fact.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  Try selling a show right now like that. I was talking about the, my Gearhead's Gone Wild on Tubi. Tubi has fucking, I think, three hundred million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show?

• 1:34:13Joe Rogan?

  They have three hundred million subscribers on Tubi?

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Tubi's fucking massive. I didn't know either. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show? Tough, dude.

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  They surpassed a hundred million monthly active users. But I don't know.

• 1:34:37Joe Rogan?

  How many subscribers do they have in total?

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  I know that the numbers alarming.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like view it.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad-supported streaming service rather than a subscription-based model.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  It's free, but they, they have subscriber and then you can get the non-ad paid where you pay, I think.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  So you can just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube. YouTube Red and right where YouTube.

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  YouTube is probably the biggest. Well, like they probably have the most active viewers worldwide.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  Not even close, right? But then, but then remember they tried doing like shows and it just ate shit? Like YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red?

• 1:35:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  They're like making offers.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  I remember YouTube Red.

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  Remember that?

• 1:35:22Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well, like Mr. Beast.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think YouTube Red was like kinda a little before that, right? And they're like,

• 1:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Put your shows on here and like, what the fuck?

• 1:35:34Joe Rogan?

  They jumped the gun.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  They jumped the gun.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  Mr. Beast was like, or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch it.

• 1:35:39Joe Rogan?

  The thing about if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see, like the recommended for you. It's completely what you're interested in.

• 1:35:53Speaker 01

  Everything's niche now. It's like, like there's people out there we don't even know and like my kids are like, Dad, he has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the?

• 1:36:01Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  I've never heard of this fucking guy.

• 1:36:02Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  You know how much money he's making?

• 1:36:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  It's all niche. Everything's niche.

• 1:36:08Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:17Joe Rogan?

  You have like companies that you can hire and they will get you views. But, but here's the thing.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  That's gonna fuck you.

• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  It'll fuck you. But, but the point is people still do it and they do it because it's, you can do it right now, right? And so what that means is like, say if you have like millions and millions of subscribers and then you look at the views, the views are hundreds of thousands of views. Then you look at the comments like fucking five comments.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  Six comments, like what the fuck is going on?

• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

  What's going on here?

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money, YouTube sees the back end. So if you're trying to make money off your show.

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  You're not gonna make money.

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  But it'll get bigger because of the number. So here's the thing. Like, so if you go to like Brendan Schaub dot com, if you did that, if you have Brendan Schaub's YouTube channel and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. Well, I should fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it and they'll click on your views or your videos more often.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  They're like missing out, like clearly this guy's doing something, right?

• 1:39:13Joe Rogan?

  Of course. It definitely, I don't, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube, like, oh, this guy's big.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it definitely does.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  But there's three comments.

• 1:39:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was, uh, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts, where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio only.

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  Oh, buddy. Oh, yeah. And then someone came and regulated it.

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  But it's not like we were all in on it.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Like, it was someone who was running, because we're all kind of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, do we have 30 million fucking audio? 30 mil, dude, this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in, was like, actually.

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What it was doing was like, every time someone clicked on it, it would count so that like, I'm talking completely out of my ass.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  If they started and stopped it, right?

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  It counted over and over again as multiple listens.

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  And I think they do that with other things, too. Like, so you have to figure out like, who the actual number of people. But people have been accused of making, like, you can, you could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done that.

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Instagram in the background, doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down?

• 1:40:45Joe Rogan?

  They definitely do.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  They deleted millions of bots over the weekend.

• 1:40:48Joe Rogan?

  100%. And I, I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it while I'll lose like 100,000.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I lost 100,000.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but there are bots, 100%. And there's a ton of them, and they catch some of them. But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust. So once they realize what gets them caught, you could run an AI program.

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:07Joe Rogan?

  So if you run an AI program and you have a, like, if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts, and you could have them even commenting on things. And you'll notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative, or, and it seems like a fucking person, man. But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob 567254. And then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account and you're like, there's. Almost no chance that Bob's a person.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:41:45Joe Rogan?

  But meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time and most likely what this is is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement.

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  Dial log back and forth.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  Me and Shabba talked about before you got here is some, I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe, the streamers paying for. Clippers. Next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it.

• 1:42:12Speaker 01

  I've heard of Clippers.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  Yes. They're paying for, there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money.

• 1:42:18Speaker 01

  A ton of money.

• 1:42:19Speaker 02

  And they're posting.

• 1:42:21Speaker 01

  Cause you'll think certain people are bigger than they are. Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like, that's all by design.

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  And you can pay for that too. So that's probably legal, right? No?

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:42:32Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  Why would it, should it be?

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. I mean, it all depends on what are you, what are you doing? Are you getting money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it?

• 1:42:42Speaker 01

  To your point, it's, it's, it's a false sense of fame. Cause to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know him and, and the, and he's getting views online. But does that equal actual fans?

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  I think. It reinforces the fans that already love him.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:42:58Joe Rogan?

  And a few people are gonna hop on board, but as far as like your general casual that will.

• 1:43:04Speaker 01

  They're not seeing.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Tune in for a UFC fight card? No, not necessarily.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, have you ever watched a stream?

• 1:43:12Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  You're older than me.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  No, I never watched a stream.

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  No, I had a talk with a, a streaming company the other day. I'm like, do what? Wait, wait, you want me to seven days a week turn on a camera and air my.

• 1:43:22Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Like breakfast and shit, like hanging out with my family?

• 1:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, the streaming thing is nuts where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Can't be good. But then like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it making stupid money.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you know, it's a good move for Rampage, you know, he's not fighting anymore.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a good move. Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast that's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  He's crushing other.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  And he's also got a great personality. So he's perfect.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  He's perfect for it.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  Perfect for that. But some people, you know. It ain't that thing. Shouldn't be doing that.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  But streaming is like the biggest thing, yeah, Jamie?

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Speaker 01

  I get me sounding old as fuck, but I don't.

• 1:44:04Joe Rogan?

  We're old, yeah. Also.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  Only thing that's live?

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's also, it's like, what are you doing with your life? Like, I got things to do.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  I can't sit in front of the camera for five hours a day. I don't understand how anybody does it.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  But also, is it that entertaining? Like, my life's not fucking lit 24 hours a day.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  They talk a lot of shit on camera, and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like, for our channel, there was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming your shit? Streaming my show and commenting on it.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  Like, reaction videos?

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, getting mad about things we said and doing something. But they were doing it through the, they would play the whole show out.

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:44:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  That's illegal.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was very shady. It was very weird, because they were commenting on it. But it was like, your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content. But, you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me, or you're pumping me up, or whatever you're doing. It's, it's, there was a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. Beast Show and commenting on that, or other shows are commenting on that. So they're watching stuff online. Someone will send them a video of a guy getting in a street fight to comment on that.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  And then they're.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  It's reaction videos.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  And they're interacting with all these people that are in the, in the comments.

• 1:45:22Speaker 01

  They're making money off of it?

• 1:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they're talking to these people that are in the comments. It's like, first of all, if you think that, social media is bad for your mental health.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  Oh, my god. Dude, yes, yesterday I was driving down, uh, I dropped my kids off, and I was going somewhere, I was going to this, uh, this car shop, my truck's in the shop, and I was, I was driving my father-in-law's car, and I see a high school bus, Lake Travis High School. I live right by Lake Travis. I see a, uh, Lake Travis High School bus pull up. I just look over, every single kid.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Staring at their phone.

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  On their phone.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  Not talking to each other, not saying what, it bummed me. So fucking bad.

• 1:45:56Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  You know the fun we used to have on that bus?

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  And no one's, no one's talking to each other.

• 1:46:01Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  The, the bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong.

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  I wanna jump on that bus like, hey, listen, I know I'm the old dude, you guys are fucking up right now.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings are headed. We're, we're headed into this weird world of the digital world, and this is the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day.

• 1:46:23Speaker 01

  But, but, but we know it's not good.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  No, it's not.

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  So, so we're just gonna continue to go down this shit road? You don't think there's anything we can do? Nope, nope, people are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't, I don't see anything changing. I think, uh, if anything, it's gonna get more invasive. And then, um, it's probably the, I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is gonna be. But as this technology moves forward, it's gonna get more invasive. It's gonna get more, you're gonna interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. However, they're gonna do it, whether it's gonna be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset. And you're reading each other's minds, or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  And you don't think anybody's like, man, we're headed down a terrible road?

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  No one's going to, they're gonna keep doing it.

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  Too much money?

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  No, it's just, everyone's addicted and everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my, um, like, ideas about like how the world is working from social media. Not, not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, someone will post like, this is going on in Iran, this is going on here. I get it off social media, I get it off X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right?

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's dicey.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement. Cause there's a lot of click, a lot of just clickbait bullshit.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Majority is.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that, but you also find breaking news and you also find things that you wouldn't know about. You know, like cer- certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and cer- certain really crazy stories. They're like, how am I not hearing about this? This is, this should be fucking huge.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  You don't think it's gonna be like, uh, and I know we have to use it, you don't think it's gonna be kinda like cigarettes? Like in the 60s where everyone was doing it and then eventually? The parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fu-

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  If it was a substance, I would agree.

• 1:48:23Speaker 01

  But it's addictive.

• 1:48:24Joe Rogan?

  It is addictive, but the problem is it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar, it is your email, it is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people, I don't even have their phone numbers. I just, they DM me. And I DM them, you know, I have friendships with people that are just DM. So it's, uh, there's that, but that's basically the problem, is that it's, it's a giant part of the world now, where cigarettes never really were.

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  We're relying on it.

• 1:48:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could, there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke, even when people smoked cigarettes. Like, let's look this up. Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. Um, during the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess.

• 1:49:12Speaker 01

  God, back in the-

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever. I think it was 50%.

• 1:49:19Speaker 01

  That'd be high, right?

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  Crazy high.

• 1:49:21Speaker 01

  30%?

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  30, I was thinking like 33. But it might be higher, because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson Show.

• 1:49:31Speaker 01

  Everyone.

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. People walking down the street, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Everybody was walking down the street smoking, but what percentage of those people were doing it? Okay. 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid 1960s, the height of cigarette use in the US, roughly 40 to 45% of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  That's a shit time. That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around, from around 40 to 43% in 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I think it's back. I think people are smoking again.

• 1:50:12Speaker 01

  I feel like it's lower.

• 1:50:12Joe Rogan?

  I think people are smoking, uh, I see it a lot now.

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  They outlawed it in San Francisco, outside.

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  That's gay.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's San Francisco.

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  That's gay. That makes sense.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  The San Francisco treaty. Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK? If you were born, um, before, uh, or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Just to stop people from-

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. So, people that were born in like fucking whatever year, whatever year they they set it at, when they turn 21, they will not be able to buy cigarettes.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  Just trying to eliminate cigarettes.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you were born at a different time. They say, "Oh, you're retarded. You don't know any better."

• 1:50:51Speaker 01

  That's so stupid.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  It's there, it's communism. It's socialism.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  Didn't they just, uh, run out the fucking, what was it, Prime Minister or the fuck they call him?

• 1:50:59Joe Rogan?

  He's still there.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  I thought they ran him out to bring somebody else in.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  They probably want to, but they haven't. Yeah, but the point is, it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's like there, it's the government telling you what to do. When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money, because they'll definitely do that eventually too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say.

• 1:51:17Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do, and what to say, and how to think, and they're gonna-

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  They control your life.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  Protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas.

• 1:51:34Speaker 01

  So dumb.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  It's bananas. It's dumb.

• 1:51:37Speaker 01

  But, but, uh, England's lost their way, man.

• 1:51:39Joe Rogan?

  They've lost their way. Hard.

• 1:51:41Speaker 01

  It's a fucking shit show.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis. Primarily. Also, other things, but criticizing the government. And now they threw away jury trials for those things. So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, "No, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail." His daughter got attacked by some immigrants, and he said some wild shit about immigrants, and, no, he shouldn't be in jail for that.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  But my thing, if you don't, like, what's the agenda? Just to ruin, just ruin the fucking-

• 1:52:13Joe Rogan?

  Control. So, um, shrink you down to 15-minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system, right? So, a digital, a digital credit score, a social score, and, um, some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think will probably, they're probably gonna try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China. So in China, if you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuckface? You can't buy a plane ticket.

• 1:52:46Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You, you can't get a loan. You can't get this.

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  For a house.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  And it keeps people in line, and then the government can do its job without protests.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  Dude, can I piss real quick?

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  Let's piss.

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  I've had two fucking energy drinks.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  We'll be right back, folks.

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  So much better.

• 1:53:01Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss.

• 1:53:03Speaker 01

  Bro, you were talking, I was like, ah man, I don't wanna hear this man with to piss my pants.

• 1:53:07Joe Rogan?

  What were we talking about? Let's talk about your show.

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  We have a cigar, brother?

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:13Speaker 01

  Dude, last time I, last time I smoked it, I smoked it backwards, I got roasted so hard online.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  I know, I didn't notice.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Switch it up.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  It is funny though. But it's really the same, it's just where the label is.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  What are these?

• 1:53:33Speaker 01

  I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  You are a rebel.

• 1:53:38Joe Rogan?

  There you go, fella.

• 1:53:38Speaker 01

  Thanks, brother.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Here's the clipper. You know how this works. Make sure you clip the right spot. That one, there you go. Yeah, and that, this, this cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one, you could get more confused because both ends were pointy.

• 1:53:59Speaker 01

  Do you know how to do that?

• 1:54:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:00Speaker 01

  Do you need help?

• 1:54:01Joe Rogan?

  No, I got a big dog.

• 1:54:02Speaker 01

  No, I'm, dude, you know how many cigars I've smoked? Only in here.

• 1:54:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you light it.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:54:14Joe Rogan?

  So your show, so your show is on Tubi.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  Tubi, hey, so light this part, right?

• 1:54:21Speaker 01

  Well, no, but this part.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  Which, yeah, light that part.

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  It's fucking, dude, it's tricky, right?

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  Just retarded?

• 1:54:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, light the part that you didn't cut.

• 1:54:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, what is it called? What's your show called?

• 1:54:39Speaker 01

  Gary Head's Gone Wild.

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  Just like Girls Gone Wild. Same text and everything.

• 1:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Is that a problem?

• 1:54:47Speaker 01

  No, hell no, that guy's, I think in fucking, on the lam in Mexico, I think we're good.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  Is he really? Uh. Is he hiding?

• 1:54:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. Either way, we're good.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  Didn't he get like kidnapped and they fucking saw him?

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that, that, it turned out pretty sad for him.

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  It's a car, I mean, it's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So like I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers, he scared the shit out of me. Calvo Vipers, I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you like those?

• 1:55:22Speaker 01

  God.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Those off-road ones?

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does, I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an off-road, like that, uh, that, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love them, man.

• 1:55:38Joe Rogan?

  Why do you love, uh, the off-road ones?

• 1:55:39Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off-road car to?

• 1:55:44Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Where?

• 1:55:45Speaker 01

  I bet, I bet, especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:50Speaker 01

  But out here, there's, there's places out here people have been hitting me up about.

• 1:55:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, but when you take, when you go off-roading, generally, you're going off-roading with a truck. Where you can bounce over rocks and shit, you can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jaccar, right?

• 1:56:08Speaker 01

  Russell-built fab.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that's dope looking.

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  Dude, some dad had one at the baseball game.

• 1:56:12Joe Rogan?

  That's a 993?

• 1:56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow, so they take a 993 and, and, ooh, that's pretty.

• 1:56:21Speaker 01

  It's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know why.

• 1:56:24Joe Rogan?

  Look at the wheel wells, that's crazy. Wow.

• 1:56:28Speaker 01

  Perfect daily driver, too, don't have to worry about scraping and nothing.

• 1:56:31Joe Rogan?

  I have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights that they stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it fucks up the lines of the car.

• 1:56:40Speaker 01

  Agree, you could, cause you could put those on that front there.

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Ah, just take them off. What are you doing, driving at night in the dark? Shut the fuck up, bitch. You ain't really off-road, I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not in the woods.

• 1:56:51Speaker 01

  Oh, Joe, don't get twisted.

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  At nighttime.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  Like all my trucks, I have that Ram 2500 AAV, that thing's never seen the dirt.

• 1:56:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that's different, that's a truck, that looks fine with the extra lights on it and shit. A Porsche?

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like, whenever I see those old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew, what are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations.

• 1:57:16Speaker 01

  They got bats on a fake tits, like, what are you doing?

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  No, it's like extra fake tits, like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah.

• 1:57:24Joe Rogan?

  You get some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long-nosed Porsches, oh, it's so beautiful. When you have dumbass fucking headlights on the hood, like, get that.

• 1:57:41Speaker 01

  It's just not meant to be.

• 1:57:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, get out of here.

• 1:57:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like different shit. I don't like, I agree, those headlights do fuck up the lines, but like, uh, the other thing, I'm just into different shit. Like, I like when they swap the LSs in the Porsches, too.

• 1:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that's dope.

• 1:57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, just the sound, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that chop.

• 1:57:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. It's shit like that, man.

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics. That's like, oh, my god, you should go to jail for that.

• 1:58:06Speaker 01

  Oh, dude, I brought up.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  Water-cooled LS engine in a Porsche.

• 1:58:09Speaker 01

  Bro, this guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche driving, and he's driving me around. And I go, man, you ever driven one of those LS Porsches? And he was like, what the fuck did you say? And I'm like, you don't get down with those? He's like, fuck, no. I'm like, yeah, those are gay.

• 1:58:24Speaker 01

  So gay.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  No, they're awesome.

• 1:58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just like different shit, man.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had, um, one of those, um, what is it? What's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies?

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  Oh, I know who you're talking about. I saw him.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  RWB?

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

  He had one of those with an LS in it. It's pretty sick.

• 1:58:44Speaker 01

  And there's companies that do that.

• 1:58:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:46Joe Rogan?

  They're sick.

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  They're so cool.

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

  And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like 2,000 pounds.

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for RS swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals, because no one really wants them.

• 1:59:00Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody wants the air-cooled, because the air-cooled has that raspy.

• 1:59:06Speaker 01

  They are the best.

• 1:59:07Joe Rogan?

  It's a wild.

• 1:59:08Speaker 01

  Air-cooled's great.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a wild sound. That air-cooled sound is a wild sound.

• 1:59:11Speaker 01

  As I'm getting older, too, it's like, uh, you know, I've had trucks with 1,400 horsepower. I've had cars with 1,100 horsepower. And then if you just get an old-school Porsche, air-cooled, with 250 horsepower, manual. It's all you need, dude.

• 1:59:27Joe Rogan?

  They're so fun.

• 1:59:28Speaker 01

  As you get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower?

• 1:59:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's not about, you're not racing it.

• 1:59:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:59:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're not on a track.

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game. And my car was running hot, my TRX 1400 horsepower was running hot. I converted to twin turbo. Hellcat engine, it's like 1400, it's running on E85 fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs. I had to pull over on the side of the road because it's, the engine was smoking. And I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man? Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm taking it to the track.

• 2:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  Who am I doing this for?

• 2:00:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, a Hennessy has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere.

• 2:00:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's probably the way to do it.

• 2:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Hennessy TRX?

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're great.

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Or a Hennessy Raptor.

• 2:00:14Speaker 01

  I almost bought one of those. And then I got that AV Ram and I linked up with Diesel R. And we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a fricking stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system. Oh, bro.

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Let me get my pants off.

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I don't know if you're into that stuff, but I'm, I'm picking it up today. It's finally done, dude.

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  That sounds fun.

• 2:00:34Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I can't fucking wait.

• 2:00:35Joe Rogan?

  That sounds fun. Yeah. Um, so the idea is you're just driving around, going to different places. Having people do different things with cars.

• 2:00:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Check out what people are doing. Different mods they're doing.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and it's like that old school like car shows that we grew up on. Like it'll throw up facts about Porsches and about the car. It'll just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys, like Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX. He has like 120,000 miles on it.

• 2:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Does he really?

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  Dude, that thing's so busted up, but he just drives it every day. He off roads it. He just, we go in his car, I'm like, dude, I, I said, no Gordon, I'm gonna tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with him. I know this for TV, I don't need you to show off, nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's, uh, yeah, just shit we like, you know? And it's always like, you want to do a TV show with them? I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man.

• 2:01:32Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting how much that's a male thing. There are women that are into cars. But I don't know any women, I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars.

• 2:01:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:01:43Joe Rogan?

  No. Um, some of them, some of them like cars, they're into some, but like for me, it's like, that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it. Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house, but after a while, it just becomes your house.

• 2:02:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on.

• 2:02:09Speaker 01

  You're set.

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  You're kinda set.

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a knife, nice house is not much different.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 2:02:17Joe Rogan?

  The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  You would wait in line to get in that car. And you're boom, boom, and you're fucking shifting your own gears and.

• 2:02:34Joe Rogan?

  Woo, it's fun.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  And the shit you have, dude. I lived through you, cause you know, obviously we're in different tax brackets, you know, I gotta do my thing on Facebook Marketplace and shit. I picked up tires the other day, he goes, holy shit, Brendan Shaw buys tires on Facebook Marketplace. I go, yeah dude, who doesn't want a fucking deal, man, put those in the back for me, dude. But, uh, yeah, you got one of those Porsche, I think it's your Gunther Porsche.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  And you took a picture, you're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and stare at it. I'm like, dude, I've never.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  I do, I stare at it sometimes. Sit in the garage and look at it.

• 2:03:04Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a fucking piece of art, man.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all carbon fiber.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, some, when I, when I see like that, that, that, that type of Porsche, like the Gunther work, or I'll see a certain car, I'm just like, I, I can't even describe the, it's like, fuck dude.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  That is so sick.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Did you see the Gunther Works made a, a twin turbo slant nose?

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  I sent it to you.

• 2:03:28Joe Rogan?

  Peter Nam sent it to me too.

• 2:03:30Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Owner of the company sent it to me.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  Oh, you know?

• 2:03:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that, not the slant nose.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  But I didn't know if you're dealing with like customer service.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I do with Peter. He's, he's awesome, but that's it. That, that car is insane.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  In fucking same, dude.

• 2:03:44Joe Rogan?

  Against a GT3 RS and it.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Buried it.

• 2:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Buried a GT3 RS.

• 2:03:50Speaker 01

  Buried it.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  They did some rolling race like from 30 miles an hour and literally it just shot ahead like the other car was parked.

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  1,067 horsepower?

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  It weighs nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh?

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Please search what does the slant nose Gunther Works weigh?

• 2:04:12Speaker 01

  Well, it has to be lighter than the GP3.

• 2:04:15Joe Rogan?

  100%. Their carbon fiber.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  2,000 something?

• 2:04:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's about 2,400 pounds.

• 2:04:22Speaker 01

  2,700.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  27. So it's close. But the engine's probably super heavy. Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there.

• 2:04:31Speaker 01

  But what engine is it?

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a...

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  4.0 liter twin turbo, flat 6?

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's air-cooled, which is so nuts. A 1,000 horsepower, flat 6, air-cooled engine is crazy.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  Bro, and people, everyone, like you talk to anyone, like, "I want 1,000 horsepower." You think you want 1,000 horsepower. Now, it's not like your ZRX, ZR1X, it's not like that. Like, if you buy it, or like at my Demon 170.

• 2:05:00Joe Rogan?

  From the factory.

• 2:05:01Speaker 01

  From the factory, you're good. When you have a TRX, or your Corvette, or, you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning, if you're reaching 1,000 horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems, you do not.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:14Speaker 01

  It's a fucking nightmare.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  And then also...

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  Every week, I was in the shop, calling Buddy, doing something, I'm like, "This is exhausting."

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, this won't be like that. Like, the Gunther Works ones are reliable.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  Different story. Those are great.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  But the question is, does that have any traction control?

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  Hopefully not.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, JB, could you please look up whether or not these new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control?

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  It's Gunther's?

• 2:05:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. They can do that now. I know that...

• 2:05:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it can do it.

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  There's like a computer thing that you could buy that'll give you...

• 2:05:45Speaker 01

  Is Gunther's in California? Where they at?

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  I believe so, yeah. I'm ninety-nine percent sure they were in California.

• 2:05:51Speaker 01

  You should connect with him because I'd love to do an episode with him.

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports-grade ABS and traction control. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice that it has ABS, too. That's dope. You're gonna need it. You're going.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  Fuck, yeah, you need it.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  But see if you can find the race between the GT3 RS and the Slant nose. Bro, it is hilarious.

• 2:06:15Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  And the sound it makes is orgasmic. It's.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  I can't imagine how much that thing is.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Wonderful. Oh, it's gotta be a million dollars.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:23Speaker 01

  Here's my problem with Porsche is even twenty years ago, when I first, my very first car I bought when I had money, I got it from a podcast myself, fifteen years ago, I bought just your base 911. Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I could afford it. It was, I don't know, eighty grand. Now Porsche has become, it's almost like what Ferrari was ten years ago where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man. It's pricing out their market. So now it's become, and we've been on Porsche for how long? Like, we've always talked about Porsche. Forever. It's our shit.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Watch this.

• 2:06:57Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  It's Top Gear.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's Top Gear.

• 2:06:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:00Speaker 01

  Top Gear's great.

• 2:07:00Joe Rogan?

  Great channel.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million-dollar car.

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  Way safer to do it that way.

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  Watch this. When they get to thirty.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  Look at that interior, dude.

• 2:07:15Joe Rogan?

  Watch this. Go.

• 2:07:20Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  It's not even fucking close. It's not even close. It's not even close.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  And the GT3 RS is a fast car.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  Fast motherfucking car.

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  But this was not his car. Obviously, this is, you know, someone else's car that they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars. How much did they cost?

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  One point two.

• 2:07:44Speaker 01

  One point two million dollars. Yeah, that, again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive now, man. It's like.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, people flip them. There's a lot of people flipping them because they're really hard to get, too.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's just.

• 2:08:00Joe Rogan?

  Lot of demand for them.

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's tough. Where back in the day, you could, even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people.

• 2:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what a lot of people are doing?

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  What's? It's four hundred thousand dollars more. It's one point six million.

• 2:08:14Speaker 01

  That car is?

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:15Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:08:16Speaker 01

  Worth every penny.

• 2:08:17Joe Rogan?

  If you got that loot.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  If you got that loot, um, please buy it.

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche nine eleven T.

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:08:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, the T?

• 2:08:26Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  And they're taking that and juicing it up to like seven hundred plus horsepower and, you know, putting some mods on it.

• 2:08:34Speaker 01

  Now you're talking my language.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo.

• 2:08:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear wheel drive.

• 2:08:43Speaker 01

  Yep. And you can get them for a pretty, pretty, I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper.

• 2:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Cheaper, yeah.

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  It's so tough, man, to get some of those, like the GT three RS is, you gotta be allocated, or it's like hundred fifty over markup, like it's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're, they're crushing it. It's good for them.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  But again, for like my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough for them making good money, but it's gonna be really tough to get in a Porsche, man. It's just, it's a different, Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that. It wasn't.

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  No, you know, it used to be much more affordable. It was the more affordable supercar, a daily driving supercar. But, you know, the market, and it's also things change, right? Cause now everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo.

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Unless you buy a GT three, they're twin turbo.

• 2:09:30Speaker 01

  Yep, yeah.

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:09:31Speaker 01

  I think too, um, one of the reasons I went away from exotic, cause I mean, you know, I even modded my GT two RS like I'm an idiot, but it loses value in it. So.

• 2:09:42Joe Rogan?

  When you mod them?

• 2:09:42Speaker 01

  When you mod them.

• 2:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:43Speaker 01

  It fucks them up and I, I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why I went so heavy into American shit, because, you know, the C sixes, all, all, all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of them. There's a market there, you're not losing your ass.

• 2:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:56Speaker 01

  And they're cheaper to mod. Like when I would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the fuck turbos, if you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man. Nightmare.

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's all, to me, it's all about enjoyment, right? And so like, what do you, what do you, what are you getting out of it? If you're not like racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking correcting and you're not really doing that with most cars. You're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, I love the feel of a V eight. Like I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  It's a six speed.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  Didn't you get the Super Snake R?

• 2:10:35Joe Rogan?

  It's, hasn't got it yet. I haven't, it's on the way.

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  Whee.

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old school muscle car, but it's all modern. And perfect starts every time, interior is great. And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed. Just normal speed, just driving to work, not speeding.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  You feel like you're doing something fun.

• 2:11:02Speaker 01

  And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X?

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  No, no, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Coda. I was like, this thing is crazy.

• 2:11:19Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  It's so fast and it handles so well and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not, you're not shifting your own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The, the driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not using a manual, you're missing, you're gonna have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're gonna have a lot of fun.

• 2:11:41Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a great car. But shifting your own, you know, they finally started making a gear, a manual transmission for the C8.

• 2:11:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's not.

• 2:11:52Speaker 01

  Is the Grand Sport coming in a manual?

• 2:11:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's gonna be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future, but you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw that like, oh.

• 2:12:11Speaker 01

  Cause that's the only knock I've heard on like actual car guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck, it's great. But it's kind of doing it for you, like the drive's different. Like it's so.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a spaceship.

• 2:12:23Speaker 01

  It's a spaceship.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  You're Luke Skywalker.

• 2:12:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Does not offer a manual transmission. Tremec, okay, Tremec has developed a six-speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers it not real for production. What does that mean?

• 2:12:36Speaker 01

  But Tremec makes it.

• 2:12:37Joe Rogan?

  But they make it.

• 2:12:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Are they selling it? Is Tremec not selling it? Or did they make it just for funsies? Because Tremec made the transmission on my Supra.

• 2:12:46Speaker 01

  Tremec is great.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  They make the best transmissions. Tremec's new six-speed manual transactional opens the door from manual swap vets and other creations.

• 2:12:53Speaker 01

  So you can do it.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  This is what I would do. What I would do is get a ZO6 and put a fucking manual in it.

• 2:13:04Speaker 01

  Now we're cooking.

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 2:13:05Speaker 01

  Fucking go.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette.

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  I get that ZO6 and that orange they make.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  There's no word yet on price timeline or who's gonna cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a three-pedal transmission. That is the problem, because you're gonna have to.

• 2:13:18Speaker 01

  And the ECU.

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:19Speaker 01

  That's a big problem.

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  The biggest problem I've had is with the ECU, people don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do, but it's like, I got a 2024 Ram. And right away, I'm like, right, what mods am I gonna do? I'm talking to Randy's Transmission, Banks, I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R, and they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah, what's up? Low miles, man, like, I fucked up. I'm like, why? Like, because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. Like, we have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Because everybody wants that. You're looking at seven grand for an unlocked ECU?

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  And that's.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Just the ECU?

• 2:14:04Speaker 01

  That's not at any power. That's just to get it so you can add the power.

• 2:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. That's crazy.

• 2:14:09Speaker 01

  And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way.

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about this new law that they just passed? Where your car's gonna monitor you? And then they're gonna have a kill switch in your car? So to keep people from drinking and driving? Or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter? And just fucking shut your car down? I think that's, um.

• 2:14:31Speaker 01

  Even more reason to buy old shit.

• 2:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. A lot of reason to buy old shit. Um, put that, please, into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed? And what the law entails? Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what the exact version of it.

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  It's gonna pass in California first, for sure.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's passed nationwide. And Thomas Massey voted against it. And I think Fetterman might have voted against it, too. I'm not sure. Uh, real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection.

• 2:15:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is how it starts. The problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask, ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it.

• 2:15:13Speaker 02

  Explain it, I mean, it probably is gonna be in here if it.

• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Right. Okay, why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired. So that's a kill switch. So, that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving.

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're, you're in your car and you're, you know.

• 2:15:39Speaker 01

  But that's the Trojan horse, like they get you in with that, it's for safety.

• 2:15:42Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing.

• 2:15:42Speaker 02

  May is a key word in there.

• 2:15:44Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, but well, the thing about that is, I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car.

• 2:15:54Speaker 01

  Correct, they can shut it down.

• 2:15:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, so.

• 2:15:56Speaker 01

  That's the security.

• 2:15:57Joe Rogan?

  If you have a Corvette and Brendan Schaub is running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada.

• 2:16:04Speaker 01

  But can't they do that with your Teslas?

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that's probab- I mean, it's a computer.

• 2:16:09Speaker 01

  It's a computer.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Of course they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show.

• 2:16:17Speaker 01

  Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know he's your boy, but I just don't care.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Shut your mouth.

• 2:16:21Speaker 01

  Do your thing.

• 2:16:22Joe Rogan?

  I drive it all the time, I love it.

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  With all the cars you have.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 2:16:25Speaker 01

  It's the one thing I'm like.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  I love it. Listen, I love V8s, look, I drove my Raptor here, you know?

• 2:16:32Speaker 01

  Raptor's badass.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  Woo!

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  A fanboy would say that it's just gonna be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet, so.

• 2:16:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater, four-door car that goes zero to sixty in under two seconds.

• 2:16:45Speaker 01

  But, well, why would they get rid of it?

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  I've never had four people in my car.

• 2:16:49Joe Rogan?

  You never what?

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  Never had four people in my car.

• 2:16:51Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, you're all so. You haven't, but like, so like the other day, I had to pick up my daughter because she was, she was being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends.

• 2:17:05Speaker 01

  Yes, dope.

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  So I had three friends in the backseat, one in the front. Yeah, I got everybody in my car, no problem. I like having a four-door, I have a family. I know you're a single guy, like for you, a Roadster would be fun.

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  That's just a, just a, you know.

• 2:17:18Joe Rogan?

  Not for you.

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  It's a small little car anyway, I thought the X is pretty dope too, they, oh, they also canceled the X.

• 2:17:24Joe Rogan?

  The act is dope.

• 2:17:24Speaker 01

  I actually like that.

• 2:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Tiffany Haddish had one and she showed me that it could dance in the parking lot.

• 2:17:29Speaker 01

  I've never seen that video.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  I was like, this is crazy.

• 2:17:31Speaker 01

  But to your point, I only do four. I don't have anything to do anymore because of kiddos.

• 2:17:36Joe Rogan?

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• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  Like, I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can.

• 2:20:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:02Speaker 01

  And it has to have four doors.

• 2:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan.

• 2:20:08Speaker 01

  Your kids are older, though, too.

• 2:20:09Joe Rogan?

  If I didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac, the CT5-V.

• 2:20:14Speaker 01

  Black wing?

• 2:20:14Joe Rogan?

  Black wing. Let's go.

• 2:20:16Speaker 01

  And you can get a manual.

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  You can get the new one, the F1, is only in manuals. The highest horsepower, 685. I don't know why I couldn't say that word. 685 horse. I know you do.

• 2:20:29Joe Rogan?

  We both suffer from marble mouth.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  Brother.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  685 horsepower and it's only manual.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  But take my fucking mind, dude.

• 2:20:37Joe Rogan?

  I want an automatic.

• 2:20:38Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  If it's that.

• 2:20:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, manual sounds fun, but if you're driving it all the time, it can get a little...

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Where, you know, if you're living in LA.

• 2:20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, depending on where you're living.

• 2:20:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Jamie, that could be you, bud.

• 2:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, we were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie.

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like, it's, I'm gonna drive it 10 miles a day.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  It does, yeah.

• 2:20:56Speaker 01

  It's an awesome 10 miles.

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  Dude, the feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine.

• 2:21:02Speaker 02

  You can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic.

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Give me some fucking volume and let's hear it. I'm not wanting one in this car. Yeah, well, Jamie's not really a car guy.

• 2:21:12Speaker 02

  I could drive it to the golf course, but like...

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:15Speaker 02

  That's once a week.

• 2:21:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the sound, the sound, look at that fucking...

• 2:21:18Joe Rogan?

  All the carbon around it. Let me hear it drive. Let me hear it drive. Sir, drive. Here it is. Drive it, bitch. Let's go.

• 2:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, why, why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this and not have?

• 2:21:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, you wanna sell cars or not?

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Play it for me, please. Um, here it is. Just, just, just click that, though. That's the black one.

• 2:21:45Speaker 01

  Oh, there we go.

• 2:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my.

• 2:21:47Speaker 01

  It just got hard. And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, bubba.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine.

• 2:21:56Speaker 01

  Nah, I got this just muffler, son.

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  I know, you can get it really loud, but the thing is just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog.

• 2:22:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  Alright, I mean, it's not bad.

• 2:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah! He's in!

• 2:22:14Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you don't understand.

• 2:22:17Speaker 01

  Oh, cammed up, baby!

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  I feel, oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts.

• 2:22:22Speaker 01

  That's what you want.

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above thousand all the time.

• 2:22:27Speaker 02

  That's gonna get robbed out here, then.

• 2:22:29Speaker 01

  No, bubba! No, come on, where you? Where you talking about? Where you parking? You wanted to get it or buy crack?

• 2:22:35Speaker 02

  I don't drive anywhere, so.

• 2:22:36Speaker 01

  Where's he going? Come on, dude. He's buying crack. You live in a nice place? Are you buying crack? She got covered parking? You don't need it, but it's fine.

• 2:22:45Speaker 02

  I just think of Gone in 60 Seconds. When you've got a dope car, people know you've got a dope car, and you're seen driving that dope car, they're gonna follow you in that dope... With, uh, our friend. He got followed.

• 2:22:54Speaker 01

  What's wrong with you, too?

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Colian?

• 2:22:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, shit's gonna happen. I don't need that. I'm gonna have a fucking dope Tesla.

• 2:22:59Speaker 01

  He was in Dallas buying tacos at 3:00 in the morning.

• 2:23:01Speaker 02

  There's a million Teslas all over the place.

• 2:23:03Joe Rogan?

  And he's got a Ferrari.

• 2:23:04Speaker 01

  I drive crazy shit.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Ferrari is different than a Cadillac.

• 2:23:06Speaker 02

  Ah?

• 2:23:07Speaker 01

  I've never had it. Have you had any issues? Especially out here.

• 2:23:10Joe Rogan?

  No, you can catch an issue every now and then, but the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like, you can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  Uh, it happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club, not too long ago.

• 2:23:23Speaker 01

  You're downtown.

• 2:23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, on, right in front of Eddie B's.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  People get carjacked in every city, that's a fact.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  That's why I don't like having targets.

• 2:23:29Speaker 01

  Not where I live. Come on to this, come on over to the burbs, dude.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  So, you think if you have, like, one of them Cybertruck... So supposedly, Cybertruck is coming out with an SUV? Allegedly.

• 2:23:40Speaker 02

  Could be cool.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me shit.

• 2:23:43Speaker 01

  He won't tell you?

• 2:23:44Joe Rogan?

  I got a big fucking mouth.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  There's rumors online, people have showed things, but like, we don't really know.

• 2:23:48Joe Rogan?

  What have they, what have they showed?

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  Uh, potential, like, it looks a little bit like, uh, the mix between an X and a Cybertruck.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  See, that would be a smart move, uh, for them to make a Cybertruck that's an SUV. It's a smart move, because you already have the shape, just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using.

• 2:24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, extend the seats.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, have the seats back more, and you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit, and make it like, you know, like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs.

• 2:24:13Speaker 01

  You could, or you could just say fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango, cause Stellantis does, uh, the Hellcat's back, baby.

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Those are pretty dope.

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  Hellcat Durango's a pretty dope. The godfather of Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge.

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Yes, thank god.

• 2:24:27Speaker 01

  Thank fucking god. Dodge is crushing it.

• 2:24:30Speaker 02

  They got silly with that electric thing.

• 2:24:31Speaker 01

  They had some French guy running it.

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it was?

• 2:24:33Speaker 01

  He killed, yeah, and killed all.

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  He hates America.

• 2:24:35Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 2:24:36Joe Rogan?

  That's what it was.

• 2:24:36Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  He wanted, wanted to destroy America.

• 2:24:38Speaker 01

  Facts. And that's why I want Poetan to beat Cyril Gahn.

• 2:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it was like, the most iconic, uh, American, like, V8 powered cars. Were Dodge. Dodge Viper, well, that's a V10.

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Dodge Viper, you had, uh, but just big engines, right? You had, you know, gasoline engines. You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Red Eye.

• 2:25:01Speaker 01

  They crushed it, bro.

• 2:25:02Joe Rogan?

  Crushed it. Are they gonna discontinue the Challenger?

• 2:25:05Speaker 01

  No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So, they fucked up and came out with a Challenger, uh, all-electric, and it ate.

• 2:25:11Joe Rogan?

  A Charger. Wasn't it a Charger?

• 2:25:12Speaker 01

  And a, and a Challenger too. They, uh, they did both, right?

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  You can't change.

• 2:25:17Speaker 01

  Uh, they're coming out with a Charger that's, uh, gas-powered.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it. It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck.

• 2:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that?

• 2:25:33Speaker 01

  This is the 20-

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  It's a straight SUV.

• 2:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, Jamie. Here you go.

• 2:25:38Speaker 02

  Do off clubs fit in there usually?

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, now we're talking.

• 2:25:40Speaker 01

  The Durango kept Dodge on float.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8, like a fuck- You're gonna come in here with a fucking hairy chest, like-

• 2:25:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Goddamn American!

• 2:25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:51Joe Rogan?

  That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're on to this now.

• 2:25:54Speaker 01

  We're on to this.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  We're on to this. That's what you need.

• 2:25:57Speaker 02

  I wasn't- this is also- people love these. This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that.

• 2:26:02Speaker 01

  Trackhawks are great, dude.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean, people steal them?

• 2:26:04Speaker 02

  There's not that many of them, yeah, and people are after them.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Okay. How about you get a Hennessy? And tell them to leave the badges off.

• 2:26:09Speaker 01

  Hennessys are so fucking-

• 2:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off.

• 2:26:13Speaker 01

  Bro, did you- did you see-

• 2:26:13Joe Rogan?

  So it just looks like a regular one, a sleeper.

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  I'd just be worried the whole time.

• 2:26:16Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. What world are you living in? Dude, did you see Hennessy did a Super Duty? Hennessy finally did a Ford Super Duty?

• 2:26:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  Fuck, I love it.

• 2:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Hennessy does dope shit, dude. They do dope Mustangs, they do dope Cadillacs, they take the black wing and fucking-

• 2:26:31Speaker 01

  See, that's why with, uh, with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go. They do good.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Do you know John?

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  Uh, me and him had a conversation.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  You should do- you should do a show with him. He's great.

• 2:26:40Speaker 01

  I wanna do a show with him, I wanna go to Gunther.

• 2:26:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:43Speaker 01

  But John's great, he's up the fucking road.

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

  He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude, he's a friend of mine.

• 2:26:48Speaker 01

  Me and him had a convo, cause when I was building my Raptor, get to 1,400 horsepower, I called him.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great. He's- Peter's very cool, too.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  Durango smokes his Trackhawk.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat?

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  They start a little fast if he smokes them.

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  And that's probably not a Hennessy one?

• 2:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, those- it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things, you're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower.

• 2:27:16Speaker 01

  They're awesome, Jamie.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  And it sounds incredible.

• 2:27:18Speaker 01

  The red interior, it's fucking awesome.

• 2:27:20Joe Rogan?

  Bro, we're salespeople. We're selling Dodge to Jamie.

• 2:27:23Speaker 02

  That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right.

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, whichever one it was.

• 2:27:27Speaker 01

  Either way, pick your poison, just fucking get one.

• 2:27:29Joe Rogan?

  I would 100% drive one of those. 100%.

• 2:27:32Speaker 01

  Fuck, yeah, you're right.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  I might get one, too, if you get one. Shit.

• 2:27:35Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 2:27:36Speaker 02

  Or do you charge it?

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Let's go, charge it? How dare you, you son of a bitch.

• 2:27:41Speaker 01

  How fucking dare you?

• 2:27:42Joe Rogan?

  You know what, man, he's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. He was, I was on the phone with him when I was coming to the studio. He told me that gas is seven dollars and ninety cents a gallon in LA right now.

• 2:27:54Speaker 01

  And that's down from what it was. I was out there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up to eight forty something.

• 2:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Here's what I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran?

• 2:28:03Speaker 01

  No!

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  So...

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  Maybe three or four percent is from that.

• 2:28:07Joe Rogan?

  So... Are they just fucking us in the ass?

• 2:28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price, so we all just go along with it.

• 2:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Is that real, or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go? And so it, they need to make that money, so they just, fuck you. Isn't it funny, like, they're like, we're gonna make money no matter what.

• 2:28:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  The American people are gonna lose money, so we make the same amount of money.

• 2:28:32Speaker 01

  And also...

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you, you need oil.

• 2:28:35Speaker 01

  But my whole thing is, even like, when, you know, when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich anyway.

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply, plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining, distribution, and taxes. Biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran war. But what if we got all our oil from America?

• 2:29:00Speaker 01

  Which we can do.

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, if we did that, why would oil go up?

• 2:29:04Speaker 01

  Cause like, American fuel prices are tied to global oil market.

• 2:29:07Speaker 02

  We would just start selling it.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  That's stupid.

• 2:29:10Speaker 02

  Ah, yeah. The market, market decides.

• 2:29:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch of crooks. We should have a national oil company. And only sell in America. Keep it in-house, so no matter what

• 2:29:24Speaker 02

  Right there.

• 2:29:25Joe Rogan?

  foul shit we do outside the world.

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  Companies can still sell wherever they want.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Even though US is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price.

• 2:29:36Speaker 01

  And it fucks us.

• 2:29:36Joe Rogan?

  High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President, please fix that.

• 2:29:44Speaker 01

  Fuckin' tax him.

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if he can do that, they'll kill him. They tried to kill him three times already. You tried to fuck with that oil money?

• 2:29:50Speaker 01

  Oh, bad.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  And all of a sudden, President JD is crying on TV. I'm gonna miss, I'm gonna miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me, and though I didn't always agree with everything he said. And I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. I.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  What the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me? Is there's been like three legit assassination attempts. And it's in the news. Two, three days and we're just like, yeah, it's crazy and we move on.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack JD. You remember that guy?

• 2:30:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:30:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, see?

• 2:30:24Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  This guy showed up, I think it was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the White. You see this guy who just got killed in or got shot in Cambridge? So this guy. He had a shootout with the cops three years ago. Went to jail for three years, got out and was walking down the street in Cambridge. Just unloading his gun on passerby. Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years.

• 2:30:57Speaker 01

  That's insane, dude.

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  He had a shootout with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged. And he only did three years.

• 2:31:04Speaker 01

  Bro, here's the other problem is I saw they took a, again, whoever's doing these polls, you gotta be an idiot to get stopped on the street.

• 2:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Look at this guy.

• 2:31:11Speaker 01

  This is wild.

• 2:31:12Joe Rogan?

  He's just walking down the street, shooting at cars. Bro, by the way, I'm running that guy over.

• 2:31:18Speaker 01

  Oh, thousand percent.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Especially if I'm in my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not gonna mess up my car.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge though, I'd probably go to jail for life.

• 2:31:28Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, you're fucked.

• 2:31:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:30Speaker 01

  For defending the public. But I saw a survey that said one in four Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what percentage think the world's flat?

• 2:31:40Speaker 01

  One in four.

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  So dumb.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  That is, and the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life, that guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that's staged is out of their fucking mind.

• 2:32:13Speaker 01

  Or the guy that the correspondent or who rushed in?

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:16Speaker 01

  They think that's fake. And it's like, hold on, so you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly kinda had his shit together, threw away his life?

• 2:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, Tim Burchett, who I had on the podcast, Congressman,

• 2:32:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  He thinks that guy was like some sort of an MKUltra type deal. And he says, he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that.

• 2:32:35Speaker 01

  I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal, I'm sure he has way better points than me, but if they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Manson, the Unabomber, you think it stopped?

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:47Speaker 01

  And you don't think they've gotten better with it?

• 2:32:49Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:32:50Speaker 01

  So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows, we're gonna shut this down. No, dude.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:55Speaker 01

  They just, they expand, it gets better and better and better.

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  For sure, they're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks, too. The guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.

• 2:33:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:33:04Joe Rogan?

  That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's, uh, house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no, like, social media. Black rock ties.

• 2:33:17Speaker 01

  And have you heard anything about him?

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Nope. Gone.

• 2:33:20Speaker 01

  How weird is that, dude?

• 2:33:21Joe Rogan?

  Vanished, like, kinds of so.

• 2:33:22Speaker 01

  What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What about the guy who killed Charlie?

• 2:33:25Joe Rogan?

  Right. We haven't heard one interview with him.

• 2:33:26Speaker 01

  Is that not weird, dude?

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  It's super weird. Nearly one-third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least, 30%, at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  Wow. I've been 54%.

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure. 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure.

• 2:33:50Speaker 01

  And that's the problem.

• 2:33:51Joe Rogan?

  Only 38% of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking ruining people's brains.

• 2:33:59Speaker 01

  That's the fucking problem.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Rotten their fucking brains out from inside their heads.

• 2:34:02Speaker 01

  I know. It's not good, dude. Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts.

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  They built it.

• 2:34:10Speaker 01

  Science projects, yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10:00 PM.

• 2:34:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:14Speaker 01

  And like, Americans, have fun.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:15Speaker 01

  Go rot your brains.

• 2:34:16Joe Rogan?

  They're doing such a great job.

• 2:34:18Speaker 01

  Crush.

• 2:34:18Joe Rogan?

  And then they sold it, right? So they sold it to that American company and they're just gonna continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotting people's brains out.

• 2:34:28Speaker 01

  Don't give a fuck.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem? With how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. And what we're gonna do is promote like exceptional people doing exceptional things.

• 2:34:42Speaker 01

  Don't you think they would get more users? Cause as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys can have TikTok. They, they, there's some rules there. They, it's an educational thing. Now, not a fucking chance, dude.

• 2:34:54Joe Rogan?

  No, it wouldn't get more. It would, uh, everyone would go right over to Instagram. Which is like Instagram's all assassinations.

• 2:35:00Speaker 01

  What if they did across the board?

• 2:35:02Joe Rogan?

  You would have to have no one cross that picket line and they all would. Because people are addicted to watching fucked up, street fights and crazy things now. Like my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking lots and there's so much of that.

• 2:35:17Speaker 01

  Man, my, mine's just trucks, cars and fucking fights.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  On Instagram?

• 2:35:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  So my problem is me and Segura, every day, send each other the worst thing what we find online.

• 2:35:28Speaker 01

  I don't want to start my day like that. I know.

• 2:35:30Joe Rogan?

  And I don't either.

• 2:35:31Speaker 01

  I don't either.

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time, uh, then I'll check my.

• 2:35:39Speaker 01

  You've kinda gotten off of it, right?

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is so much better. Feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending, what's.

• 2:35:49Speaker 01

  But you're not like reading the comments and all that shit or mentions?

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  And I don't even go into the news feed, cause I used to go into the news feed, but every now and then I find things about me all the time. Like, I don't wanna hear what a douchebag I am.

• 2:36:00Speaker 01

  That's a bummer.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, come on. I'm not here for that.

• 2:36:02Speaker 01

  I know, it sucks.

• 2:36:03Joe Rogan?

  But it's, so I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. I don't wanna read that.

• 2:36:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  I think what's better is, uh, I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. So then I'll click on like, what the fuck is going on? And I'll check that out. Like, that's how I found out about this guy with the gun.

• 2:36:21Speaker 01

  And you feel so much better, right?

• 2:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Way better. But I, I'm also more often than not now not going there for my news. And I've kinda curated my Google news feed.

• 2:36:31Speaker 01

  Smart.

• 2:36:31Joe Rogan?

  To be much more interested, like I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X.

• 2:36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  So then I can decide whether or not I wanna actually open up X to read the story.

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  And did you stop drinking too?

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  I did and then I went back. I'm back.

• 2:36:44Speaker 01

  How, how, how back are you?

• 2:36:46Joe Rogan?

  Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back.

• 2:36:51Speaker 01

  Dude, I've been sober over two years now.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:36:54Speaker 01

  Almost three.

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  Feel good?

• 2:36:55Speaker 01

  Feel great. Never been in better shape.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's

• 2:36:58Speaker 01

  I feel fucking awesome.

• 2:36:58Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or two with dinner and I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then.

• 2:37:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  But I just, I was doing it too much.

• 2:37:07Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 2:37:07Joe Rogan?

  And then I recognized and so I stopped.

• 2:37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, just, it wasn't benefiting me and then also, you know, I have addictive personality. Like if I do something, I gotta be all in. Like on cars, like literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half of them are trucks and they're all the same. You know? It's just like when I get into something, I get so into it now, but I'm getting, as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself.

• 2:37:30Joe Rogan?

  Good. That's good. Getting better at, um, that is very important to managing your life.

• 2:37:35Speaker 01

  Growing up.

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  It's really important.

• 2:37:36Speaker 01

  It's growing up.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all and then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you.

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Facts.

• 2:37:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, but that's the problem is that, you know, a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good at it and so they just get caught up and, you know, it could be anything.

• 2:38:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, to do preach. That's me.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff.

• 2:38:07Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

  Which is weird, you know? Like if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything, like not, there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time, I probably can't hang out with you.

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  And it's not good.

• 2:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not good.

• 2:38:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause that same obsession is what led me, got me to the UFC or football.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. Like being all in on something, I think is, uh, where, that's where obsession can lead. The scary one for me, I think, not for me personally, but when I see it is gambling.

• 2:38:35Speaker 01

  Super scary.

• 2:38:36Joe Rogan?

  Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich, that gamble big numbers. And it freaks me out, like big poker games and crazy amounts of money they gamble on stuff and I was like, I don't like that.

• 2:38:52Speaker 01

  But you get your rocks off in other ways. I think for those like super rich people, like that's kind of, like they can buy any car, they can buy any house or go on any trip. In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it.

• 2:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it has to be, it has to be a big number. For them to feel it.

• 2:39:08Speaker 01

  The juice has to be so high.

• 2:39:09Joe Rogan?

  If they bet a hundred bucks on something, they don't even know, that doesn't mean, they might not even cash that ticket, like they don't feel it.

• 2:39:15Speaker 01

  You know how you and I are similar with obsession, do you, do your kiddos have that? Do you see it in anything?

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're super driven, but it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in, and if your parents have hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind. Generally speaking, that's how your kids come out.

• 2:39:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  I think that. So when I say shitty kids.

• 2:39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  I generally genuinely think that it's at least part of it is from the parents.

• 2:39:41Speaker 01

  Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams, the crazy parents I deal with. Buddy.

• 2:39:48Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 2:39:49Speaker 01

  And I, it, for the, and I try to talk to the dads, because most of them respect me, so I'll go, hey, can I give you some advice, man? You gotta back off, dude.

• 2:39:57Joe Rogan?

  But they can't. They can't, it's that they, you'd have to change who they are.

• 2:40:01Speaker 01

  And I tell them, I'm like, I'm, I'm trying to help you out here, you're, you're, you love baseball, whatever, you love football? Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now, the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun.

• 2:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:15Speaker 01

  He used to love this game. When I first got here, nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. You fucked up, dude. And who's it gonna affect? A, it's gonna suck for him because he likes football. You're, you're not gonna be able to watch your kid play football, dude. Because you decided to make it not fun.

• 2:40:32Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna fuck up your relationship with your kid.

• 2:40:34Speaker 01

  Facts.

• 2:40:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't try, I don't force my kids into doing it, other than they have to go to school. I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it. But find something you are interested in.

• 2:40:46Speaker 01

  That's my thing. Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a fuck what it is, just so happens it's baseball, football. Cool, let's ride, man.

• 2:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you have a great personality for that and that you're very encouraging your kids, but you're not, you're not, it's, it's not you. Thinking that like your self-worth is not tied up to your kid's performance. You just want your kids to have fun.

• 2:41:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:41:07Joe Rogan?

  The problem is with some people, their kid is almost like their racehorse or something. You know what I mean? Like, it's like their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete.

• 2:41:19Speaker 01

  Brother, and now it's worse because, especially in baseball, it's like, it's a business now. It's over a billion dollar business. So now it's like, there's these, travel ball when I was a kid, you have to be really fucking good. Well, now every parent wants to say their kid's travel ball. So there's the majors, and there's two teams at the majors, there's three triple A, three double A, three single A.

• 2:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:41:40Speaker 01

  I just want my, I don't need the best 10 year old, I just want him playing. So I don't give a, he made the majors team, I don't give a fuck, it's majors, triple A, rec, we're playing wherever.

• 2:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Have fun.

• 2:41:49Speaker 01

  Have fun.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  And, and. And apply yourself to something.

• 2:41:52Speaker 01

  And apply yourself, and I don't give a fuck whether, what level we're at, we'll play it all. And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, they're like, ugh, you played double A? I'm like, yeah, it's baseball, man. You think he can only play majors? So what, I can sit around the water cooler and brag to you guys? I don't give a fuck.

• 2:42:11Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy that people like, talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids?

• 2:42:15Speaker 01

  Oh, it's wild, dude.

• 2:42:17Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, that's the, it's like stage moms, you know? There's a thing like that with actors.

• 2:42:23Speaker 01

  To your point, their identity's tied up in there. But what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up.

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:42:28Speaker 01

  It's all gonna get fucked up.

• 2:42:29Joe Rogan?

  I've seen that with a lot of young actors, where their parents were like, super involved in their career, and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. And generally, like, I've seen it a few times, and one of them that I know really well, where the parents stole money from the kid.

• 2:42:43Speaker 01

  Fuck, dude.

• 2:42:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he stole like, six million dollars. I'll tell you who it is after the show.

• 2:42:48Speaker 01

  That's terrible.

• 2:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's awful, it's awful, it's like devastated them to find out. But it's like, that's what they're doing, they're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working, they relied entirely on their kid, and the kid's acting, and the kid's like, fucking 10.

• 2:43:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I gotta afford all this so we can fucking live? And I'm nine?

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, but then, you know, the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is. My fucking money.

• 2:43:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:11Joe Rogan?

  I'm the fucking man.

• 2:43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:12Joe Rogan?

  You don't tell me I can't have cereal. Go fuck yourself.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  He's the boss?

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, he, he had problems with it too. They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're ten.

• 2:43:24Speaker 01

  Horrible, man.

• 2:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Also for pretending.

• 2:43:27Speaker 01

  Horrible, dude.

• 2:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Famous for pretending, that's what? How's that gonna affect your personality? Yeah. Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that just, um, they don't understand you're, you're developing a human being. And one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well.

• 2:43:42Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:43:42Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking nuts.

• 2:43:43Speaker 01

  Or it, the, the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played.

• 2:43:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:43:48Speaker 01

  And they, and they're like, man, they'll see just a son, a glimpse that their son has some talent and then it's, they're the worst.

• 2:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Did your kid into cars?

• 2:43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, big time.

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:43:57Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 2:43:58Joe Rogan?

  You gotta teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old.

• 2:44:01Speaker 01

  That's what I tell them all the time.

• 2:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:02Speaker 01

  All the fucking time.

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do anything dumb.

• 2:44:04Speaker 01

  They're gonna learn how to drive a manual. It's the easiest way to, your car, Jamie, you wanna make sure your car didn't get stolen? Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't have to drive a manual.

• 2:44:12Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how to drive one?

• 2:44:13Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's gonna burn that clutch. Look at him.

• 2:44:15Speaker 02

  I haven't done it in a long time.

• 2:44:17Speaker 01

  You could figure it out though in the black road.

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, especially if you're only driving ten miles a day.

• 2:44:22Speaker 01

  You're the perfect candidate.

• 2:44:23Speaker 02

  I just, I just don't want to.

• 2:44:25Speaker 01

  Uh, it's disappointing. Yeah, no, my, my kids know their shit, like, yeah, it bums me out.

• 2:44:31Speaker 02

  There's other, there's so many other cars in the world. It doesn't have to be that one.

• 2:44:34Speaker 01

  What do you like?

• 2:44:35Speaker 02

  I don't, that's why I don't, I'm not driving anywhere.

• 2:44:38Speaker 01

  We know you like track hocks. Okay, okay, okay, but, but let's just put all that aside. What, what cars do you look at and go, oh, I like that? Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a target?

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  Nah, it's a, if it's one I like, it's, it ends up honestly being like, uh, like an X six, somewhere in that range. X five, X six, AMG, GLE.

• 2:44:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:44:58Joe Rogan?

  Now we're talking.

• 2:44:59Speaker 02

  I don't know, yeah, it's somewhere in there. Those are dope looking.

• 2:45:02Speaker 01

  Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be dick slapped.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Into the hospital like

• 2:45:16Joe Rogan?

  Like what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills? And they hit like the M4s like blech.

• 2:45:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:24Joe Rogan?

  What did you do?

• 2:45:26Speaker 01

  It's they they they're just trying to switch it up, you know, and they miss.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  But who let that go through?

• 2:45:32Speaker 01

  Bring that up, Jamie?

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  That the only one that looks good or looks decent is the seven series. There's something about the proportions of the seven series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me.

• 2:45:41Speaker 01

  That M2 is fucking tasty too, though.

• 2:45:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's dope.

• 2:45:44Speaker 01

  Those things can cook.

• 2:45:45Joe Rogan?

  They didn't get it goofy with the grills.

• 2:45:47Speaker 02

  Talking about that one, right?

• 2:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, come the fuck on with that.

• 2:45:49Speaker 02

  They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap like that.

• 2:45:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the grossest ones. But but look at that right there with the lower.

• 2:46:00Speaker 02

  Which one?

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry, the that one's good, but the left one, the white one. The white one, yeah, that's it. Look at that's perfect. That's perfect.

• 2:46:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty.

• 2:46:08Joe Rogan?

  That's perfect.

• 2:46:09Speaker 01

  Do you still have the M5?

• 2:46:11Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no, but I do have the E46 M3.

• 2:46:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, those are cool.

• 2:46:16Joe Rogan?

  The 2005?

• 2:46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are fucking awesome.

• 2:46:18Joe Rogan?

  That one's fucking great. That is literally a perfect car. That's a great car like like that one. That one's gross. That grill, the lower right one, the bronze colored one, blech.

• 2:46:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual and that thing fucking cucks.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  M2s are amazing. Those are amazing. BMW, to their credit, is still making manual transmissions.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  Awful, it's a little better.

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right?

• 2:46:43Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't think so. I think the M5 is only.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  Does it make a manual?

• 2:46:49Speaker 01

  The M5s are so heavy now. That's their issue.

• 2:46:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like manual's not the first thing coming up.

• 2:46:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think they make it at a manual transmission anymore. See if it says manual transmission.

• 2:47:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual. Yeah. Oh, six speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an old one. Those are dope.

• 2:47:14Speaker 01

  The V10s are cool.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  V10s sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast. There it is. That's old. Yeah. So the last, that's those are the last ones they made in the manual. But my E46 is small. It's

• 2:47:31Speaker 01

  That's what you want.

• 2:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't whale out. It handles really good. It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission. And, you know, it's a dynan, so it has a supercharger on it. So it's a little faster. So it's like 400 something horsepower, but

• 2:47:44Speaker 01

  Monster.

• 2:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Dude, it's just fun. It just, you feel it while you're driving it.

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  And they look fucking awesome.

• 2:47:50Speaker 02

  Something weird in there. I was trying to track that. Said that they got two of them that were unless there's only two vehicles here.

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  What does it say?

• 2:47:56Speaker 02

  Might be, it might be just not an American thing. Does that make sense?

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  No, those are old.

• 2:48:00Speaker 02

  No, I know. I'll tell you what I saw.

• 2:48:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that they, so put, put in 2026 BMW M5 manual.

• 2:48:08Speaker 02

  I just saw that. We got two versions of the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on. That's what I saw and was clicking on.

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  When does that though? If you click on it?

• 2:48:17Speaker 02

  It says 2025.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I think they're talking about old cars. I think they're doing a history.

• 2:48:23Speaker 01

  BMW still has some

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Two versions. They're talking about older cars.

• 2:48:27Speaker 01

  BMW still has great interiors too.

• 2:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:48:29Speaker 01

  Some manufacturers still fucking do it right.

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  BMW does it right. They're, they're really good. It's a solid car. The, and the M, the new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer of a car.

• 2:48:39Speaker 01

  They're monsters.

• 2:48:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they have to make them hybrids now.

• 2:48:42Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause of all the fucking, all the environmental shit.

• 2:48:46Speaker 01

  Did you see Trump got rid of the, the engines? The engine start? You know how when you stop?

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:48:51Speaker 01

  He got rid of that.

• 2:48:52Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 2:48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  That's, I don't like that.

• 2:48:54Speaker 01

  Drives me nuts.

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  And I don't like that. And some cars I have to press the don't do that at every red light. Don't do that.

• 2:49:00Speaker 01

  I fucking hate it.

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that.

• 2:49:01Speaker 01

  Hate it. Hate it. Drives me fucking nuts.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  You're not saving anything. All you're doing is cooking my starter.

• 2:49:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Cause the starter's gonna start 50 times.

• 2:49:10Speaker 01

  Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that. So annoying.

• 2:49:11Speaker 02

  Parking next to one of these.

• 2:49:13Speaker 01

  Ooh, is that a Maserati?

• 2:49:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's sick.

• 2:49:15Speaker 01

  Ooh, boy. Those are cool. In person, they're really nice. Ooh.

• 2:49:20Speaker 02

  Those are dope.

• 2:49:20Speaker 01

  That's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jimmy?

• 2:49:22Speaker 02

  Well.

• 2:49:25Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 2:49:27Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:49:27Speaker 01

  He's worried about the attention.

• 2:49:28Speaker 02

  I just had a tire problem for it. I didn't go that far. This Model S tires just like fell apart after 10,000 miles.

• 2:49:35Joe Rogan?

  I know. That was weird. The way your tires fell apart was weird. That didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire and then he got a look at it and it was like there's the wires around. He'd worn down the tread at 10,000 miles.

• 2:49:49Speaker 01

  Well, that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy. So you're going through tires faster.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, but I didn't think it would be that fast. 10,000 miles is crazy.

• 2:49:56Speaker 01

  Jamie might be driving like a maniac though.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Fucking nutty. I bet he is. I bet he's going sideways in our corners.

• 2:50:01Speaker 01

  You know how ratchet you gotta be to wear down to the wire?

• 2:50:04Joe Rogan?

  I think it's the weight.

• 2:50:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the weight.

• 2:50:06Joe Rogan?

  Because we looked it up and it was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot.

• 2:50:11Speaker 01

  Heavy foot. A little more lead foot. Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of the electric car.

• 2:50:16Joe Rogan?

  As he gets older, we're still calling him Lead Foot Jamie.

• 2:50:18Speaker 02

  These are dope. Aston Martins are dope.

• 2:50:20Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah, bud.

• 2:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Now we're talking, son.

• 2:50:23Speaker 01

  Come on, Jamie.

• 2:50:23Joe Rogan?

  You know some good shit, dude.

• 2:50:25Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 2:50:27Speaker 02

  Blackline Cadillac.

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay, okay. You don't like Cadillac. Okay, that's fine.

• 2:50:31Speaker 01

  Aston Martins are fucking awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different tastes. That's fine. As long as you like that. You like something. Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get you Track Hogs. We'll get you Aston Martins.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta get something. We gotta get him something fun.

• 2:50:47Speaker 01

  Let's know the budget, dude. We'll get some.

• 2:50:49Joe Rogan?

  He seems a little hesitant.

• 2:50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he does seem open to it.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, you drove race cars before around the track.

• 2:50:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fun. That's, I do that all the time.

• 2:50:57Speaker 01

  But you could buy a car that you can drive your own?

• 2:50:59Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna have a studio at the track.

• 2:51:01Speaker 02

  More fun to not drive your own race car.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:51:03Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 2:51:04Joe Rogan?

  You don't worry about fucking it up. That's a good point. So your show's on Tubi.

• 2:51:08Speaker 01

  Show's on Tubi. Gearhead's Gone Wild. There's four episodes.

• 2:51:12Joe Rogan?

  And are you releasing new ones?

• 2:51:14Speaker 01

  You can binge watch all four of them right now. And then if the four do well, they're gonna order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy, Gunter Works. I got some big boys lined up.

• 2:51:21Joe Rogan?

  And how long are each show?

• 2:51:23Speaker 01

  Uh, I think they're like 28 minutes each. Yeah.

• 2:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay, cool. And it's Gearhead's Gone Wild.

• 2:51:29Speaker 01

  Yes, they're on Tubi.

• 2:51:29Joe Rogan?

  On Tubi.

• 2:51:30Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  So it's the first time I ever go to Tubi. I've never been to Tubi.

• 2:51:34Speaker 01

  Please do, bud.

• 2:51:35Joe Rogan?

  I only heard about it like a year ago.

• 2:51:37Speaker 01

  I just found out about it three months ago.

• 2:51:40Joe Rogan?

  I just can't believe it has that many fucking.

• 2:51:42Speaker 01

  When they're like, we gotta buy our Tubi, I'm like. Okay, let's fucking do it. They've been awesome.

• 2:51:47Joe Rogan?

  That's great.

• 2:51:47Speaker 01

  It's easy to watch, yeah.

• 2:51:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, someone's gonna be watching it, there's that many people. Uh, but it sounds awesome, dude.

• 2:51:53Speaker 01

  It's fine, man.

• 2:51:53Joe Rogan?

  And I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy.

• 2:51:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it. Yeah, you'll dig it. It's our shit.

• 2:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Alright, brother.

• 2:51:57Speaker 01

  You'll love it, man. You're the best, brother.

• 2:51:59Joe Rogan?

  I love you.

• 2:51:59Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. Alright, goodbye, everybody.

• 2:52:02Speaker 01

  See you.

• 2:52:17Joe Rogan?

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