#2412 - Adam Carolla

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• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, brother. What's happening?

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Oh, man. Everything's been a while.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  It's been a few years, man.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  When was the last time I saw you?

• 0:21Speaker 01

  I think I saw you outside of the Ice House.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  You were coming in doing a set. You got a Land Cruiser or something with a LS swap engine in it.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  And you showed it to me. And I think, I was thinking about it. I went to your house to do the podcast.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Early in the day.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Early.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  Up deep valley, up the hill. And then I think you got your place sort of down strip mall, kind of, kind of placed down in the flatlands of the valley.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, woodland hills.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think that, I mean, it's been a million years.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's been a while. Time flies, buddy.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  I know. It's so sad. You know, you know what? You know what's sad? It goes so slow when you're young and miserable. You know what I mean? Now I'm old and happy and rich, and it just flies by. You know what I mean? Like, all the stuff you want to do, and it just, it just goes right by you. And then when I was like 13, I just sat in a class and stared at the clock and just went, "God damn."

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  You know why that is? It's relative. It's a percentage of your life. So when you're 10, a year is 10% of your life.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, when you're 55, a year is really quick.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  I know. It just sucks that, like, I remember going back to school in September and going, "When's Christmas vacation?" And they'd go, "Two months." And I'd go, "Oh, man. No way. That's too long." And now it just goes flying by. But now it's good, and you'd want it to slow down. Yeah, I always think of life as sort of like driving to San Francisco from LA. Like, the first time you do it, it takes a long time. And the 50th time you do it, it's like nothing. And that's the relative part.

• 2:08Joe Rogan?

  You get used to it. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I don't know. Just got to live in the moment and enjoy it while it's here.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  Hope, hope it works out. Hope something's next.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Or not?

• 2:22Speaker 01

  I, I guess, yeah. That moment, you know, that, that thing. I, you know, it's like that thing where people have a near-death experience and then they swear they're gonna change their ways and they're gonna appreciate everything and they're gonna do all that. I don't think it works.

• 2:39Joe Rogan?

  Works on some people. I've met people that have had near-death experiences and completely changed who they are.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Hmm. I wonder if it's worth trying to have a near-death experience. The problem is, is it's too close to death.

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's really, what kind of a person are you? Are you a reflective person? Are you an introspective person? Do you think about the way you think and the way you live? And do you analyze it and decide whether or not this is a good way to proceed? Or whether or not you need to make adjustments? Some people don't. They don't look, they don't self-analyze, they don't course correct. They just don't. And so, something comes along, "I'm changing everything." But you never changed anything in your whole fucking life. You've never done that. You've never exhibited that kind of will. You've never had that kind of discipline. So like, how are you gonna change now? You're not. You're gonna say you're gonna change, then you're gonna go right back.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I went to high school with all those guys.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  It's crazy, right?

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  With most people, don't know how to live. They don't understand that you're, you're, you are in control of the way you think about things. It's one of the only things you're in control of.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Well, change is like one of the greatest gifts we have. Like, it really, if you think about perks of being a human being versus being a hyena or any, any other creature, it's you get to change. And then so many people just squander that gift, which is the greatest gift. And they just go, "I'm not..." And, and then you're sort of no different than any other animal if you just sort of stay the course, you know? And the, the ability to grow and change and transform is such a gift that people completely squander.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's hard, cuz you have to change the way you think. You have to, you have to decide that you've been doing things wrong. And people don't like to do that. They don't like to admit fault. They don't like to look at themselves in a negative way and analyze what they've done wrong and be critical of themselves. They don't like it.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, I know. Everyone is a crazy externalizer now.

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  And young people have it more than our generation.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's encouraged.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  You can't tell them stuff. They just push back on everything.

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's encouraged to think that everyone else is the reason why you are not happy.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get it, but I think growing up, and maybe it's just being coached a lot. You know, like, like you got coached a lot. I got coached a lot. It's just dudes telling you you're doing something wrong.

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  All day, every day. And I believe they did it because they cared, because they wanted you to get better, because they wanted you to succeed. They wanted to win, you know? And I just got used to being coached. You know, I just got used to people just yelling at you. Hey, dummy, you're fucking up. Fix it. Do it right. And it never felt like criticism to me.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, even if it is criticism, it doesn't matter. It's like, if coaching is good, like, if, if you can be coachable, that's like one of the best indicators that you're gonna do well in life. If you could take direction and instruction from someone who knows what they're talking about.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna learn something, like, say, if you wanna learn jujitsu, you have to listen. You have to really listen. And the people that don't listen, they don't get better.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I shouldn't, I shouldn't have said criticism. It, it was criticism, but that's fine. I, I, it's just how you digest it. You know what I mean? It, it's criticism, they go constructive criticism or criticism. It's just criticism. You're doing something wrong.

• 6:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  That's fine. Now, how do you perceive it? How do you ingest that?

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, how do you look at yourself? Do you look at yourself as like, do, do you think of yourself as only being valuable if you're good at a thing? Right? And if you're not good at that thing, do you take it as a slight against you? Or do you just understand that you are a person? This is you, and this thing you're doing is something you don't know how to do as well as this person who's teaching you? And if you can do that, then you can get better. And then getting better at anything that you are trying to do that's difficult, any discipline. That discipline becomes a vehicle for developing your human potential. If you can figure out how to get good at that by listening to this person and then proceeding and seeing the steps of improvement,

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  you could apply that to everything in life. But if you never learn how to do that, you're gonna get stuck.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  You know what I've been thinking about? I've been thinking about how insecure a lot of people are. And how they really react when you tell them something, criticism, or coach them. But I think it's their insecurity that's reacting. And then I sort of realized, like, you have a skill set. You have multiple skill sets, right? And you take just martial arts, you know, okay, you know it, you're comfortable with it. You're real secure about it. You know your abilities and you know your abilities as a comedian. And you know your abilities as an archer and stuff like that. So you have a bunch of stuff

• 7:40Speaker 01

  that you know you own. And for me, like, I'm a builder, so I have a skill, so I have a trade, you know? And so I don't feel insecure. I feel like there's stuff I know, and then there's other things I do know. But I don't walk around with that insecurity that I realize, like, a lot of people, they don't have a trade, they don't have a skill, they don't have really anything who they could call expertise. Like, you would go, you know, what are you an expert at? Well, you would go, I can teach UFC, mixed martial arts, jiu-jitsu, I can do that, I can do this, podcasting, stand-up comedy, like, there's

• 8:22Speaker 01

  fields of expertise, speaking another language, mastering an instrument, you know, things like that. And I realized so many people just are, there's just nothing. They never found a thing they're really interested in. And they're so insecure and they walk around in this heightened state of insecurity. And then somebody runs into them somewhere at an airport or a Starbucks or something, and they start ripping off, you know, throwing furniture. And it's like, why are you in this state all the time? And I realize it's an insecurity. And how would it feel? Like, how would Joe Rogan feel walking around not having a black belt, not being successful

• 9:05Speaker 01

  at stand-up, like, not having any expertise? Like, it'd be a really vulnerable feeling. Yeah. And I think-

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• 11:56Speaker 01

  That's a lot of it.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  It's most people.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, most people just get jobs and they never really find a thing where they can throw themselves into it and watch the improvement and understand that, oh, I know that I started this out as a beginner and now I'm really good because I put in so much time and so much effort, so I know that I have that in me. I know I have that willpower. It's also like some people just don't have good brains. That's just a fact, you know? It's like some people are born with big ears, some people have small ears, some people have shitty brains and that's just true. I've met a lot of people, they're just dull. They're just dull-minded and dull-witted and even if they threw themselves into something, they don't have the horsepower. They have a nine-volt brain. It sucks.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  But that's just reality.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  I know and it's hard not to look at them through your lens because you go, come on, man. The sun's shining, let's make some hay, let's go. There's so much to do and they're like, huh? And you're like, come on. The saddest thing for me is when I talk to anybody, but especially a young person, I go, what do you like? What do you do? What's your thing? And they go, I don't know. I like, I like video games. I go, no, no, but what's your passion? You know, what do you want to get into? And they go, I'm watching a lot of Netflix. I go, no, man, like what is your thing? What do you want to get your hands on? And they just go, I don't know.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've probably never been introduced to something like that. The problem with video games is it'll steal your thing. Like video games, if there was a thing, maybe that you, maybe you were into golf or maybe you're into something, video games will steal your time. They'll steal your desire because they're so fun.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Yes, I think, I think there's a problem with like satiation, like you'll feel satiated. Like you'll, you'll say, I did something. But it's like you didn't do anything, you simulated. Doing something.

• 13:51Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're a professional video game player. And then you can make a lot of money. So it is weird. Cause they used to tell you, you play in video games, you're wasting your time. But then you find out that some people playing professional video games are making a lot of money. Like those Starcraft guys, what does a good Starcraft, like the best Starcraft player make? Like they have sponsorships and stuff like that, but they're making millions of dollars, right?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  It is weird that you couldn't no longer tell your kids, that's a crazy idea, that'll never work.

• 14:18Joe Rogan?

  How about those Twitch guys?

• 14:19Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  Those guys that play video games all day on Twitch, they make a ton of money.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  I know. You couldn't, I mean, there was a time when we started, if someone young said, I want to do a podcast. You'll go, come on, you gotta get a real job. That's not gonna work.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like Howard Stern.

• 14:36Joe Rogan?

  So this guy, um, Sural, his name is Junasotala. He's from Finland and he made 1.8 million, uh, total earnings. So yeah, South Korea, 1.3 million, um, Cho Sung Chu. Um, Park Young Woo made 1.19 million. Yeah, so they're making money. But this is like only the top five. So top five, you get to the bottom of the top five, it's 1 million, 1.1. Okay.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't do it. I, I bought a video game once. And it was a World War II one, and I thought I was gonna go to the deck of the ship and shoot at some zeros who are dive bombing our ship. But the video game started below in the barracks, we're in our bunks, and a torpedo hit. And I could never get to the deck. I couldn't, I couldn't get out of the bunk. I kept getting, I kept burning up in a fire in the bunk. And after 20 times of trying to get to the deck, I just abandoned it. And I also just realized, there's just a bunch of shit I'm not good at, and I don't care to even try. I think there's another part of life where you have to kind of go, what are you good at, what are you not good at?

• 15:52Speaker 01

  And when you're not good at something, you should just pay somebody to do that. And that's where I'm at.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  Pay somebody to play video games for you?

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, like type, but yeah.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  Of course. Yeah, I hear, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, you don't. Yeah, you're not gonna wanna do everything. And things that some people enjoy, like whether it's golfing, or video games, or whatever it is, like, you gotta find out what you like.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, and hopefully it's a bunch of stuff.

• 16:21Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the things that's missing in school, is introducing people to the possibility of things they might like. Instead, what do they do? They just teach you stuff, you know?

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it didn't work for me.

• 16:33Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  It was not good for that.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  Didn't work for me either.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, look at you now. You landed on your feet.

• 16:38Joe Rogan?

  I know, but it's a weird thing. It's like, there's no, there's no consideration of alternatives. There's no like, "Hey, you're kind of a wise ass. Have you ever thought about being a comedian? You know, you can make a lot of money doing comedy." Nobody ever says that to you.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  No, I never, I never had that. It was, it was a weird thing, because it was always a sort of, "Shut up."

• 16:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  So it was the opposite of encouragement, which is, "Be quiet, be quiet, you're disruptive."

• 17:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  So by nature, comedic nature is to sit in the back of the class and pop off, and try to entertain an audience, which is sort of built in, which is the classroom. But it is interesting that they then offer an award called Class Clown.

• 17:22Joe Rogan?

  Did they offer an award for Class Clown?

• 17:24Speaker 01

  My high school, I was Class Clown. So I got the Class Clown designation, but all through high school, I was told to shut up by every teacher, which is a weird, it's a backhanded compliment, but it's a weird message to send to the clown, which is, "Shut up, shut up, shut up, here's your award." At the end, for talking.

• 17:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is weird.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  I would, I would get rid of the award, or stop telling everyone to shut up all the time.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, it's undermotivated teachers that are underpaid.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Well, who attracts, you know, I was thinking about, like, who's attracted to that profession?

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  It's sort of people that have... I know we have to call them heroes, but they've kind of opted out of the private sector. They're just like, I want consistency. I don't care if I'm underpaid, as long as I never stop getting paid and I can retire early and I have a place to go. And it's a kind of a version of life where you're not telling people to chase their dreams and explore the possibilities because you're in this place right now where you didn't chase your dreams. You're just here. You know, I mean, save the 10% who love kids or just want to work with kids. But most of my teachers were miserable.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  Most, yeah. Miserable and very uninspiring. And this made you, I used to have nightmares after I left high school that I failed and I had to go back. I used to have nightmares.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  That I didn't get my diploma.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Oh, it's funny. I wanted to go back because I wanted to play football. Like, I didn't want to go to, I didn't want to go to class, but I would have dreams about going back to play like one more year of football.

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Because it's all I wanted to do and it was the only thing I was good at, you know, back, back then. And at once I got out of high school, it was just, you know, construction sites, garbage.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too. I just didn't know what to do. I mean, I was fighting at the time, but I didn't know like what I was going to do with my life.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Did anyone tell you, like, I never had anyone go, hey, you should do comedy. Like, that seems to be your thing, or it seems to be what you're interested in or where your proclivities are. I never had that. I didn't have anyone in my family say it, I didn't have any of my friends say it, I never had a teacher say it, I never, I never had a guidance counselor say it. It never, it never came up in my life. Like, did it?

• 19:48Joe Rogan?

  It did, yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Come up for you?

• 19:49Joe Rogan?

  With me, it was guys that I would go to tournaments with. So, we would all be scared because we'd be on a bus or something, traveling out of state to go to some tournament and everybody'd be like, real nervous, because there's a real good chance you might get kicked in the head and knocked unconscious. And I would be the guy that broke the ice. I would be making fun of everything and making everybody laugh. And my friend Steve, who's Steve Graham, who's a good friend of mine still to this day, he was older than me at the time, I think I was like 16, and he was probably 30, 31, something like that. He's an ophthalmologist. And he's like, you should be a comedian. And I was like, you think I'm funny because you like me? I'm like, other people are going to think I'm just an asshole. Like, and he's like...

• 20:31Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think you could do it. I think you could do it. You should just go to an open mic night and check it out. And I went to an open mic night and that's when I understood that, oh, everybody starts out as a beginning and you're terrible. When I thought of comedians, I thought Jerry Seinfeld was Jerry Seinfeld from the jump. He's just really good and really funny and great jokes and Richard Pryor, same thing. I didn't realize like it's a thing that you get better at. And then when I watched people do it, I was like, oh, these people are terrible. I could do this. It's one of the things Jenny, Richard Jenny said, he goes, terrible comedians are great because they inspire people to try it.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I agree with you in that sense. Like, I remember, like, I always go, oh, this guy's excellence inspires. You know, Michael Jordan inspires. I'm like, no, he's too good. You know what I mean?

• 21:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  He, those, like, I remember being young and watching, like, Dennis Miller do a special and I'd go, I could never do that.

• 21:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  That's too much. Where do you, where are all these words coming from? How do you remember them all? How does he even know what they mean? Like, no way am I pulling that off. But later on, when I was driving a truck, you know, to the construction site every day, I would listen to morning radio in LA. And I'd listen to these morning teams and I'd go, oh shit, I can do that. Like, I was inspired by their inability to be consistently funny.

• 21:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  And it is a weird thing where people do that. They always think the best is gonna bring it out in you, but it's intimidating. Sometimes you have to see people that are mediocre at their job for you to think, oh, hell, I can do that.

• 22:13Joe Rogan?

  Certainly at the beginning, you know, like, if you walked right into a gym and as you, like, Terrence Crawford t-shirt I'm wearing, and Terrence Crawford's working out, it's the first time you ever worked out, and someone says, do you want to spar with Terrence Crawford? You'd be like, no.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not, I can't spar with him, no.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:31Joe Rogan?

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• 23:48Speaker 01

  The real danger is when they go, you want to spar with that guy over there, and then you go, who is that guy? And they go, I don't know, he's just some gym guy. And it's Terrence Crawford. And then you're really, you really get demoralized because you didn't even know who he is. And sometimes you'll run into those guys early on before they are who they are. And you realize, oh, I got my ass kicked by this guy, turned out to be a champion, but at the time, I just thought something was wrong with me.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, and then you just realize, like, some people have a giant head start. You know, whatever it is. Maybe they started earlier in life. Maybe they have family members that are really good at whatever it is, boxing or whatever it is. Maybe they got really good coaching early on. Maybe they have great genetics. Maybe they're just naturally fast. Maybe they just have a mind for the game.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of the fast twitch stuff and the rhythm stuff. Like, some guys have a rhythmic, you know, you can watch them skip rope.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  There's that, but there's also, like, the most important thing is understanding the skills, understanding technique. And some people just get bad coaching. And if you get bad coaching, you get like a kind of coach that just wants you to brawl all the time when you're sparring. And you never really learn the finer points. Like, they don't stop you and say, "Look, you gotta, you gotta stop that jab here and then counter," you know?

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Well, I, I found, at least when I taught boxing, that most of the coaches were boxers. Like, my gym was, uh, Mike Weaver, ex-heavyweight.

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  I remember Mike Weaver.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  He was a brick shithouse.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that guy was a tank.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. He looked like a bodybuilder. It was crazy. Even when I worked with him when he was 48 or something, still looked like that. But, so Weaver and then his, uh, half triplet brothers, the Fighting Triplets, Troy, Floyd, and Lloyd, by the way, they're all fighters, right? And, and I realized, they were good fighters, but they didn't know how to teach fighting. Cause, cause they couldn't verbalize it and they couldn't intellectualize it. They just did it, you know? And it's not always the guy, so a lot of time they got ex-fighters, this guy's an ex-champ, he's an ex-this and ex-that. That doesn't mean you're good at teaching it. That just means you did it and were good at it. But you can't always articulate it and describe

• 26:14Speaker 01

  it. And like, my thing was, I wasn't an ex-champ, but I knew how to articulate it better than these guys. And I could use these, you know, metaphors and examples and stuff like that. I would end up being a good boxing coach, not because I had all this ring experience, it's because I understood it sort of intellectually.

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, some of the greatest boxing coaches of all time weren't good fighters or were okay fighters. Like Freddie Roach, perfect example. He was a journeyman fighter, but one of the best boxing coaches ever. Emmanuel Stewart, same, same deal, you know? Weren't world champions.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  I always liked Emmanuel Stewart because he, he coached. Vladimir Klitschko, but he couldn't say the word Vladimir. He'd just go Latimer, Latimer, and it's like, his name is Vladimir. It's not, it doesn't start with an L, it starts with a V. If you, you listen to him talking to Vladimir Klitschko, he just called him Latimer. And I've inter, I, I interviewed Vladimir Klitschko and I did, I, he said, I said, he, he called you Latimer your whole career? And he went, yeah, that's the way he pronounced it. I'm like, it's a name and it starts with a different letter. He just called him Latimer the whole time.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  Gave up. He was the, but Emmanuel Stewart was the first guy to figure out that training in the heat.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Can I get a shout out?

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, get in there.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that training in the heat was great for your cardiovascular system.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  Cronk gym, they used to crank it up. Cronk gym was like a hundred degrees in there.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  Like a hot yoga room.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they put that, was it abaline they called it?

• 27:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Sweat stuff on and then they put you in a gar, garbage bag and that.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all that.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  God damn.

• 27:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they would always put abaline on you before you worked out. I always thought that was weird. Like to get your sweat going, I was like, I'm kind of sweat, this is weird. It was a part of the boxing world, like when you'd get ringside magazine, they would sell abaline, like these big fucking jars of it.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  I, as far as I could tell, it was pretty much just Vaseline. I don't know what was different about it.

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  Some slippery oil, that's for sure. Yeah. Which, uh, it's interesting because in MMA, that stuff is like, that's shunned. Like you, you, like, cause you get in trouble if you grease yourself up. Cause there's guys that grease.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:28Joe Rogan?

  What they do to cheat is they'll put baby oil on the night before and they'll like literally soak in baby oil. And then they'll take a shower. And so when they show up to fight, their skin is dry and so they don't have baby oil. But as soon as they start sweating, that baby oil comes out of their pores and they are slick like a fucking trout. Like you can't get a grip on them.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  I bet you could probably convince someone to drink baby oil. Told them when you started sweating, you'll just sweat baby oil. I just love that whatever the sport, whether it's MMA or F1, there's always someone trying to shave a tenth.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Just trying to figure out some way around, just to pick up. A little advantage.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  Yup, yeah.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  It's so human.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  It's so human. Victor Conte just died recently. He's the, the Balco guy. I interviewed him on the podcast back in the day. He was the guy that got Barry Bonds and on that stuff called the clear. So they figured out a steroid that would evade testing. It was something that you just wipe on yourself and it was.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:33Joe Rogan?

  Highly effective. And it's just people looking to skirt around the rules and find something that, that works that they can't detect.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  It's such, I mean, it's, it's what happens when you are attracted to competition, I think. So the people who aren't attracted to competition sit around and go, why would you do that? Or how dare you do that? Or this guy's wrong for doing it. But you don't run an F1 team.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  But if you're attracted to a job that makes you a trainer in UFC or running an F1 team, you'll probably be a person who's attracted to competition, thus attracted to winning. And then at some point, your livelihood will depend on it and you'll try to, you'll try to do everything you can do.

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's interesting with steroids though, with baseball in particular. There's never been a sport that rejected steroids as hard as baseball did. Like you remember the McGuire, Sammy Sosa era?

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  Like when we found out those guys were juicing and we kind of all knew they were juicing. But once we found out they were juicing, everybody was so mad at them. Because you, you had defamed our great American national pastime, which is baseball.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  I don't get it.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  You cheated at baseball.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  I, I, I love it when, I don't know, Bob Costas gets all, and Billy Crystal get all upset about the majesty of baseball and how you've ruined the sanctity of it and stuff like that. Baseball was always kind of a pussy sport for me. Like I thought, if you're a real dude, you play football and then maybe box or wrestle or something like that. But baseball was kind of fun. Like I played baseball and baseball.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  At baseball practice, you got to play baseball. You got to hit, you got to field. You essentially played baseball. You didn't have a game, but you'd be out in the field hitting the cutoff or up at bat, batting practice, where you literally played baseball. In football, I never touched a football. You're just pushing a sled and getting in some tackling drill, running laps, like they just torture you. But you don't play football. I played football for 10 years and never touched a football. I wasn't, I played linebacker and guard and there was no football. There was just me blocking guys who were touching a football or trying to tackle a guy

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  That sounds horrible.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Football practice is the worst. Football practice is torture.

• 32:03Joe Rogan?

  Did you wrestle?

• 32:04Speaker 01

  No, they didn't have wrestling in my high school.

• 32:07Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 32:07Speaker 01

  We didn't have, like, it was, you know, I don't know, a little more east coast, I think, like lacrosse and certain things are kind of regional. We didn't really, I grew up in North Hollywood, like they didn't have hockey, they didn't have lacrosse, they didn't have wrestling.

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  Crazy they didn't have wrestling. Oh, God. I think wrestling was one of the most important lessons and hard work that I ever got.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure, like running bleachers and cutting weight and all that stuff.

• 32:33Joe Rogan?

  Carrying people around. Yeah, I had a brutal coach too. Our coach was brutal. It was awesome.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Wrestling.

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  Taught me a lot.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Wrestling practice and football practice are not dissimilar. It's just torture young people, essentially. And kind of tried to break them a little bit. And wrestling is probably more torturous than, than football, but football is hot because it's the San Fernando Valley or wherever, Florida, and you're outside and you're in a uniform and you're just baking in the sun and they didn't want to give you water because they thought it was bad for you. But really, didn't get back on it.

• 33:14Joe Rogan?

  Dumb that is.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Well, it wasn't, I think they didn't want to do it because they thought it would make you soft.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  They thought you would get cramped up. That's what people used to think.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  They would say, yeah, they'd say you're going to cramp up, but, but there's another underlying point, which is you would enjoy it and they didn't want to do anything that you enjoyed. Like they, the whole thing was we're going to torture you. And if you want water, then you're not getting water.

• 33:39Joe Rogan?

  Want to hear something crazy? When I was a kid, when I was fighting, I didn't like that I wanted sex.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  I didn't like that I I desired pleasure because I thought it was weak. Because I thought that anything soft and sensual, anything that feels good is gonna make you weak.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  Cause all I was thinking about was competing. And I was just thinking about keeping an edge on everybody and that sex was like, damn it. Like I didn't like that I liked it. I thought it was a weakness.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Did you have a-

• 34:13Joe Rogan?

  Crazy?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Did you have like a pillow on your bed?

• 34:16Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Like where does this end?

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  Girlfriend was really horny.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  I didn't mean a pillow to hump. I just meant you'd be more comfortable with that pillow and you wanted the eye of the tiger.

• 34:25Joe Rogan?

  No, it didn't. I mean, I it didn't stop me from having sex with my girlfriend, but it did make me feel like that was a weakness.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  But don't you feel I I feel like I fall back on my misery? And those two a day practices and the San Fernando Valley and getting yelled at by coaches and being on a construction site and sort of getting yelled at by foreman and like just doing sort of miserable donkey work all day.

• 34:50Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Uh, as I get older, I realize, oh, everything seems pretty simple and pretty easy compared to that. And and I realize I talked to a lot of people that never went through that. And so they don't really have, they're not calibrated, like like sometimes, like ever since I got out of construction and into comedy, I've never looked at comedy as work, you know, and then sometimes they'll go, oh, they want to add a second show or whatever. And I go, yeah, go ahead. And someone will go, you really want to work that much? I go, it's not, it's not, it's not. It's in, it's air conditioned.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  No one's yelling at you.

• 35:26Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Free beer. It's fun. People like you. What do you mean? And they'll go, you want to work that hard on the weekend? You know, and I go, what work? It's not work compared to the work I knew.

• 35:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  From back in the day, but then I realized I do deal with a lot of people that never had that baseline. And so they never had that misery and they never had that experience. And so for them, their baseline is sort of air conditioning and a 401k and a coffee maker. And it's not, you know, using a porta potty and eating lunch on a pile of plywood and eating off a lunch truck and all that kind of stuff. So- Drinking off a hose, no air conditioning, like that world. So they don't have a base. They're not like calibrated. And so for them, a second show is a lot of work. Or working on a weekend, or doing whatever.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  It's that old expression, the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. No matter what it is. So if you've lived an incredibly sheltered life and the worst thing that ever happens to you, you get in a mild fender bender.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:29Joe Rogan?

  And you can't believe it. And your world is ended. And you're just sobbing and weeping. Or if you're a guy who's lived a fucking difficult, hard life. And then you get in a fender bender, you're like, ah, they'll fix that. We'll fix that. No worries. And then it's gone. You don't think about it at all. You just think about it, it's just, there's a dent in my car now. No big deal.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've always thought that, you know, when it came to boxing or a sport like that. That, you know, people go, oh, you know how to box, so you could use your hands. And then you have an advantage, you know, if some drunk guy comes at you or something like you can use your hands, so you know what you're doing. But I always thought the real advantage is being used to having someone punch at you all the time. That was sort of the real advantage of not freaking out if somebody threw a punch. If you just get used to people throwing punches. Then you know how to react. And that was the advantage. It was more like being used to being knocked around and punched.

• 37:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  And having people throw stuff at you versus you knowing how to throw back. The real advantage was not being phased.

• 37:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Like when stuff was coming at you.

• 37:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  And I think that's analogous to sort of this, like the advantage to our past misery. Is how relatively easy everything seems now.

• 37:51Joe Rogan?

  If you have a group of brothers and they all start competing and fighting, the toughest one's the youngest one, always.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  Almost always. Almost always. Cause that's the one that's been fucked with by everybody else. By the middle brother, by the older brother. The youngest brother, I always looked to like, that's the savage. Just watch. If that kid can make it through, he will be the one. He will be the one.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  So let's see, is that Steven Baldwin? Which Baldwin is that?

• 38:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that would be Steven.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  I think.

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 38:22Joe Rogan?

  Alex, the older.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  That I know. I got, I got the top.

• 38:25Joe Rogan?

  But that's a different thing. I don't think they're beating each other up.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  I'm making a joke, but they probably did kick each other's ass a few times.

• 38:31Joe Rogan?

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• 39:48Speaker 01

  You know, one of the things I like about you is, I know he stuck with me, years ago when I interviewed you, I said, "Your biological dad, do you ever have a desire to get back in touch with him, or reconnect, or whatever that was?" And I think he went, "No, screw him." Like, I don't, I never knew him, so I don't need to redo something that never was done.

• 40:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  And I, I like that. I mean, I respect it, I feel like there's, people do too much, like, "Come on, he's your blood." I'm like, if you don't know him, you don't know him.

• 40:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Like, I always, I don't know, it's stuck with me.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Well, I think, uh, family's nice if they're nice.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  If they're great people and you wanna be in touch with them, but I don't think you should spend any time with people that you don't like.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  If they're your family or not, I don't think it matters.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  I think my, my life was sort of saved by friends.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Just having really good friends.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  All the time. And I sort of realized my family wasn't gonna provide what my friends would provide, and I just hung out with my friends.

• 41:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's also why people join gangs.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, that becomes their family. Cause everybody has a desire to be a part of a tribe. And everybody has a desire to have a good team and good people that care about you. That's a, a big motivating factor for human beings.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Thank God North Hollywood didn't have a strong krip or blood connection back in the day. Cause I probably would've joined up.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  Sure, it's probably exciting. It's probably exciting, especially if you get away with a few things, you know?

• 41:27Speaker 01

  I get it. I mean, it's tried and it's true. Like, it works.

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  It's been around for a long time. It's a reason why gangs in New York, look, goes all the way back then.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it goes, I'm sure, throughout the dawn of humanity and history.

• 41:41Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  But yeah, and I mean, we formed our own gang, which is just a bunch of dudes who did stupid stuff, you know, but it wasn't drive-bys and that shit.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  It was just a group. It was a tribe, not necessarily a gang, yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did things, I, we would do stuff to each other, but not to society.

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Like, that was kinda our code. Like, we would torture each other and do unthinkable things to each other, but we, you couldn't go mess with civilians.

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  That was crossing the line.

• 42:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's fun, too. Um, I've been paying attention to a lot of your stuff, uh, covering, uh, the Palisades Fire and all that stuff, and I think, uh... I'm really glad that there's someone like you out there that gets to shine light on these things and show people how fucked up this whole thing was. You know, and we talked about on the podcast that you immediately, once the fire happened, you were like, no one's rebuilding. Like, you don't understand the coastal commission, you don't understand the permitting process. This is gonna be like this forever.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  And you're right. Look at, here we are, it's almost a year later, right? How many months later is it? 10, 11?

• 42:46Speaker 01

  10 and change, yeah.

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay. No one's rebuilt the house?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  No, there's a little bit of building going on in the Palisades, but there's zero in Malibu.

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  The coastal, yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's no coastal anything. And I've been monitoring it.

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  How much has grown on the Palisades? How many houses have been rebuilt?

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Uh, I would say, you know, less than 5%. Like, but, but it's scattered. Like, I toured one that was being framed for the latest vlog, the fire vlogs I've been doing.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing, even if you do rebuild, what is surrounding you? Just wreckage.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, just dirt.

• 43:22Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine, you're on a hill, and you just, the husks of burnt-down houses are your view now?

• 43:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  Fun.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, basically, you're living in an ashtray.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  You put a double-wide in an ashtray.

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  Who knows what the fuck is in that ground?

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Well...

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's all bad.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  After everything burning and melting, and all the chemicals, and electric cars, and all that shit has gotten into the water table, it's all in the ground.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, some of it's in the bay, because it rained, and it just flowed into the sea. But, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a mire of muck. And yeah, it's hard.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  Is it still bad?

• 44:02Speaker 01

  No, it's okay.

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  It's sort of filtered out?

• 44:07Speaker 01

  You're talking about the ocean?

• 44:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Or the, yeah, I mean, it's, it's livable. It, I, I don't know, you know, I don't know if your doctor would recommend it, but it's, it's livable. But the, the thing that I've always known is, I've always known how burdensome regulation is in Los Angeles, and, and it's, it's invisible, and that's why we don't have housing, and that's why houses are too expensive, and that's Why there's no homeless shelters and housing and all that stuff is because it's so burdensome to build, they make it so difficult to build that people don't build. And I knew this is what was coming, but other people didn't really know it because

• 44:48Speaker 01

  they've not dealt with the city, plan check, regulations, plan approval, engineering. Like, this is stuff I've been doing my whole life. So I knew early on that this wasn't gonna happen. And I think people who live in Los Angeles are sort of naive. Like, they just think that Coastal Commission and the City Council and Plan Check and Building and Safety, like, they're there just to facilitate this stuff. They're not there to facilitate any of it, they're there to deter it. Yeah. They want you to go away, is basically what it is. That's crazy. So, I knew none of this was gonna happen.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  And, but also there's a thing that I don't think anyone really is aware of, which is, they are so over-regulated that they make it so difficult to build that people can't afford it, and they're then stymied by it and they tend to just get discouraged. And they go away, they don't do it. So, what they do is like, I was friends with Suzanne Somers and Alan Hamel. And they lived in Malibu, and they loved Malibu, and then their home burnt down years ago. This was another fire. And then they wanted to rebuild the home.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  But, the Coastal Commission made it so difficult that after five years of trying, they just went, "Fuck it", and they moved, they moved to Palm Springs. But they wanted to live in Malibu, but they, they couldn't. And it is... So regulated and so difficult and the hoops they make you go through and the engineering is insane. There is one place that they're building on, on Pacific Coast Highway and I've been down to the construction site and I've looked at it. They're sinking six foot, six story caisson, so 60 foot caisson cage. They have to drill. So a caisson, you just

• 46:49Speaker 01

  drill into the earth and use a huge auger bit and the hole's like 30 inches around and you go down six stories and then you drop a rebar cage into it and then you pump concrete into it and that's your caisson. There's a house and it's a small lot. They're gonna have 60 of these things into the ground before they can start building.

• 47:15Joe Rogan?

  Is this because of the instability of the ground, like landslides and stuff like that? Cause they get a lot of that in Malibu, right?

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Right. So here's what California does. They go, "We're an earthquake country," or whatever they do. But I've lived in houses in California that were built in 1923 and 1929 when they had none of this stuff and they had none of the technology and they saw their way through many earthquakes and they're just there. So they blame stuff like earthquake or coastal or whatever it is and then they make you go 2,000 times further than you needed to go. And I was talking to the guy, I said, "How much into this foundation before you can start building?" He said, "2.5 million dollars into the ground. That's the ground. That's before the first..."

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  And is this a new standard?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Well, what they do is they just add new ones every year. So it just keeps getting more and more and more and then eventually that house becomes, it becomes impractical to build there because it costs too much money and then you don't have houses. So that's what we do with all housing in Los Angeles and that's why the city council's like, "We need more housing." And it's like, "Well, you're not gonna get more housing, bitch, because you're overregulated and no one can reach that standard and it's too expensive."

• 48:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, and it's also, then it's not consistent with the houses that are already okay. Like, how about those houses that are like on the side of a hill with like poles? Just poles stuck into the ground, like half the house is hanging over the hill?

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Oh, well, the thing about Malibu is the Malibu Pier is 125 years old and that's just telephone poles going into the ground.

• 48:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  I mean, all they did back then is take a pile driver and just mash a telephone pole into the ground and then they build, they built, many of the houses that burnt down were on those because they were like from the 40s and the 50s. So the foundation was fine, it was the fire that got the house.

• 49:16Joe Rogan?

  Is anybody developing a legitimate fireproof house?

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what's that like?

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Um.

• 49:22Joe Rogan?

  Cement outside?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, basically what they're doing is they're doing a cement, yeah, so it's, it's like, the walls are like modular and it's filled with like foam and like sort of a wire cage. And then the outside, they spray on gunite, which is like lightweight cement and just like trowel it on. So the inside and the outside is essentially cement, but you know, a stucco house is basically cement too. Like really what they're doing now is they're saying, we're gonna frame the houses the way we always frame the houses with wood. Because I think a lot of people go, well, why aren't they using steel or metal studs or concrete or like, why are they using,

• 50:06Speaker 01

  why aren't they using non-combustible materials? And what they're doing essentially, because I just walked one of these houses in the Palisades. They're building it in a traditional way, using wood, but they're making the outside fireproof. They're not gonna have the eaves, the rafter tails hanging out, the wooden rafter tails hanging out. They're not gonna have the vents to vent the attic where the embers can get into the attic and then get to the wood. And cause, because most of it was just stuff blowing into the attic and then the house ignited sort of from the inside out.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  So if you do a flat roof, a metal roof, and you do a stucco, glass, aluminum, and you don't do the rafter tails or the eaves and you don't have any way, then essentially you have this.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Combustible house with a hard candy shell around it that with nothing combustible on that and so the fire can't get started essentially.

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  And how many houses had that because you would imagine a lot of houses have been built in the Palisades since like the 2018 fire. There's there was fires before that. I remember there was a fire in the 90s because this is a funny story. Uh, me and JB Smooth were doing a show in New Jersey and this is like probably like 92, something like that. And some college in the middle of New Jersey and it was hard to get and there was no navigation back then. So it was hard to get to. And so you had to file follow, you know, right on this road, left on, and you had a piece of paper you followed. And so I got there. Uh, I left early. JB wasn't there yet. I was supposed to headline and they were like, well,

• 51:46Joe Rogan?

  we're gonna wait for JB to start the show. I said, okay. So I sat down in the rec room and I started watching this documentary on the Malibu fires. So whatever Malibu fires this was back then. And this guy was there were called, this kid was calling for his dog and it was this guy was crying. He was a fireman. He was just weeping. Oh, and I was like so depressed. And then they go, look, JB's not coming. He's he hasn't been here yet. We can't reach him. So we're just gonna have you go up. I'm like, okay.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Wiping the tears away.

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  I went on stage and fucking flat out bombed. I just bombed. And then he came in. He finally figured out how to get there. So I brought him up and he killed. It was so.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Well, you had the heavy burden of the guy who lost his dog.

• 52:27Joe Rogan?

  It was a very valuable lesson. Do not watch anything depressing right before you go on stage or listen to anyone that's depressing. Like if people start saying depressing shit to me in the green room, I'll just go stop. I can't do this right now. Like I gotta go on stage.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  I'm a compartmentalizer.

• 52:43Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 52:44Speaker 01

  I could watch a documentary on the Holocaust and then walk out on stage and go right.

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• 54:15Joe Rogan?

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• 54:22Speaker 01

  I can't do it.

• 54:23Joe Rogan?

  I can't do that. That's not me. Yeah, I can't do that. I get too empathetic. I just, it is, I just start thinking, what would I do? Who would I, what would I do if I was them? And fuck, I can't believe this. But, point is, those fires had always been there. Like Flea, didn't Flea lose his house up there? I know a lot of people.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of, a lot, listen, I, when I was a carpenter. In the, I think it was probably the later 80s. I built a house, I mean, it wasn't my house, but I worked. On a house, like I was doing finish works. I was like hanging doors and doing base and case and and stair railings and like I was doing the fin- I was like the finish guy. And I showed up on one of our jobs, you know, we had a few jobs going on. I worked for this outfit. But I, I worked there for like six months, just doing all the stair railings and the doors and everything. And that house burnt to the ground. Like I went up there some years later and there was just the foundation there.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  And I remember, but to speak of me being able to watch a doc on the Holocaust and then go out and do comedy. I, I was sitting outside, I was with somebody and all it was, was the foundation, the whole place. And I said, "Man, I remember being here, like shaping the oak and making the railings and turning the, turning the oak and getting my router out, putting the finish on and, and everything." It's all gone and, and somebody went, "Wow, how's it make you feel?" And I went, "I got paid, I'm cool." "Now let's go watch a Holocaust." It's not your house. Yeah. But you lost your house in this fire, right? No. You didn't? I, I lost everything in front of my house and most everything behind my house and like almost everything to the right and the left.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Wow. Literally, yeah. How did you make, just luck? Yeah. Wow. I wish it was, you know, I wish I did something. I wish I could claim something. Uh, I couldn't. I didn't do anything. Um, there was burnt stuff on the roof of my house. I could see where it kinda got started. But everything in front of me is gone and a lot of stuff behind me and probably fifty, sixty percent. Like I, I was an outlier for sure. Like I- How many houses in your neighborhood burnt down? Most of them? Oh, yeah. Half of them? Oh, yeah. Most of them? Most, well, so PCH, everything is gone. And, uh, yeah, I would say

• 56:53Speaker 01

  I'm in the ten percentile or something. Like it was really, the odds were not good. And you're still living in that house? Uh, yeah, after many months of, of being out. Yeah, but I'm

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Were you not allowed to go back to your house?

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was, had to flee that night, had to go, stayed at a hotel in Burbank or something. And then basically just watch the news and I could see, once in a while in the news, they'd cut to a spot where you'd go, "Oh, that's the restaurant in front of..." and it was ablaze. Like, everything, every time they cut to something around my house, it was all on fire. So I was like, in, in Burbank, and I was just sitting in a hotel room, and I was like, well, uh, it's gone. It's gone for sure. And, um, that's when, the following day, I, I did my podcast from the Burbank hotel room because the winds were so strong

• 57:55Speaker 01

  that the power was out to my studio, but the power was on at this hotel I was in. So I just sort of set up in the living room of the hotel, and that's when I delivered my, "None of this shit's gonna work" speech. Which is like, you know, the difference, it was like the opposite of whatever Winston Churchill would have done. I've done the opposite. Like, don't even try to build. The city's gonna fuck you up. It's never gonna work. And that was like eight, that was like eight hours after the fire. I was like, you're not getting a permit and you're not rebuilding.

• 58:25Joe Rogan?

  You were right. Um, in the 2008 fire, uh, 2018 fire, rather, uh, when I was living in Bell Canyon, um, three houses in front of me burnt to the ground. Like, I would say like maybe 20% of the neighborhood burnt down. It wasn't, wasn't quite as bad as Malibu, but it was, you know, three houses right in front of our house. It was just dumb luck that our house didn't catch fire. And some things did catch fire. Our fence caught fire. We had that shitty equestrian fencing, the shitty kind that's made out of plastic.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's just fucking caught fire. Just was, but we didn't have anything close enough to the house that it carried over and burnt the house down. We were lucky.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was totally lucky too, and I had no idea that the place was intact. I just assumed it wasn't because everything around it went.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  Did you take much when you left?

• 59:15Speaker 01

  No, just pretty much, you know, a pillow and a blanket and like, just like underpants. Like, just kinda, just kinda got out. It was kinda the middle of the night.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  I didn't even take underwear. I had to go buy underwear. That's when I realized like, some underwear's better. I had been MeUndies had been a sponsor, and I was only wearing MeUndies, and then I went and bought some cotton underwear. And this stuff fucking sucks.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  It was terrible. I didn't have, I didn't bring any clothes. I didn't bring anything. I just brought my laptop, um, and, um, maybe some important photos or something like that. Like, we didn't bring much, and then just went to a hotel in Beverly Hills, and just, the sky was filled with fucking smoke everywhere you looked. You know, that was, again, folks, this is the 2018 fire. LA burns all the fucking time.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  All the fucking time.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  And the fact that it burns all the fucking time, and they had a giant reservoir that was just sitting there, empty.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  In the middle of fire season, and no one was addressing it, no one was pointing out, this is a real critical thing. We gotta get on top of that right away. We gotta fill that fucking reservoir.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we don't, see, LA sorta has process people, but they don't have get shit done people. They just have people that talk about stuff, and then have a committee, and we gotta talk about the homeless, and everyone needs a seat at the table, and no one's illegal, and all this kinda stuff, and then they go, alright, let's eat, and they just leave. They don't really do the nuts and the bolts. So like, I, I realized, you know, like, Trump is a builder. So, he is a commercial builder. So, his world is hurry, hurry, get it done, what's going on, what, what's to hold up, why aren't we building? And so, everything, when you're a commercial builder, is, well, where's the foundation guy? Foundation's done, where are the framing guys? Framing's done.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Where are the drywall guys? Where's the HVAC guys? Where's the plumbing guys? So what's taking so long? You know what I mean? Hurry.

• 1:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  And- LA has a bunch of procedural people like they just sit around and talk about stuff. They don't want to get stuff done. And like when you had Karen Bass, mayor, and you had Trump at that presser like a few days later. Trump was going, let's go, let's go, like clean your own lots. We don't and Karen Bass was like, slow your roll, man. She was like on a diff, you know, she was like, slow down safely. We'll do it safely because everything is under the sort of tyranny of safety. They don't really realize how much safety fucks people up. I mean, that's what happened with COVID, like safety, say, we're just going to shut the schools like.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're just going to ruin civilization because you said it was safe. And, and no one argues with you when you go safety, safety, safety, but safety can be debilitating. I mean, you can stop progress. You can ruin young lives like too much safety stops a society. And they're all safety oriented and they're process people. So they're like, slow it down. Slow it down and Trump's like, speed it up. And that's what you have in LA. You have just sort of safety process, mostly women just kind of running the thing going. If one child gets COVID, that's one child. No, no, no bitch. We gotta open shit up and we gotta get moving, you know?

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  And that's basically what happened with COVID. The thing about the fires is like. You know, Gavin Newsom's like, oh, climate change. You just blame everything on climate change, which is insane. It's hilarious. But it's like, look, New Orleans is below sea, below sea level. They're, they're down and, and so they have seawalls. So man intervenes and gets involved with nature and says, we'll make it safe, you know, like. Plenty of people live in Nevada now. They have air conditioning. Somebody figured out air conditioning and now there's casinos in Nevada where it used to be unlivable because of the heat.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Earthquake, you know, you take LA and I used to do earthquake rehab in Los Angeles. You take a 7.3 earthquake in Los Angeles and almost nothing happens. There's no death, a couple apartment buildings and Reseda fall off or whatever. It's really, it's almost nothing in LA, like a 7.3. 7.3 in Guatemala, place is leveled, right? So what, what's the difference? Well, we have a bunch of codes and earthquake reinforced concrete. We know, we build for earthquakes and so when an earthquake hits, almost nothing happens. So you can mitigate any of this stuff. Like you're talking about climate change.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Well, earth, earthquake is sort of the ultimate climate change. If you think about it, it's like it's going to shake the earth. You're making an argument for those giant pylons. Ah, I'm making an argument for some caissons, but not 65 of them six stories deep. That's, that's the point. There should be some. Once you keep going, that's where it gets real burdensome and real expensive. Like, you know, your car should have a crumple zone and an airbag, but it doesn't need a full roll cage and a fuel cell and you don't need to wear a helmet when you're driving. It would be safer, but it would cost so much more to manufacture that car

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  that most people couldn't afford the car. So you can make cars with a fire suppression system. Like my race cars have systems for fire suppression, but it would add 15 grand to the price of every car and it's not. So you have to kind of pick your battles. So we did not prepare for the fires. We didn't clear the brush. We didn't fill the reservoirs. We didn't do all the stuff. All things that could be done. And Newsom goes, "Climate change." And my thing is, "Yeah, climate change, fine. Let's make your argument, climate change. Now do something." But is it really, like if you really-

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  But it's not climate change.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  It isn't.

• 1:05:25Joe Rogan?

  It's not, cuz LA's had the same climate forever. There's been fires that happened through LA where LA burns half to the ground. I mean, while I was doing Fear Factor, there was a crazy fire that as I was driving home, that was the time where a guy died on the highway. I got to see this. I didn't see him get hit, but this guy got hit trying to make it across the highway when everybody was panicking. But it took an hour of driving home where the entire right side of the highway was on flames like the Lord of the Rings. So this is always, and this is like early 2000s. So it's LA's always caught fire. It doesn't rain there. It doesn't rain there ever. And it's been like that forever. That's why they film movies there. It's not climate change, you fucking asshole.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  No, I agree.

• 1:06:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a lack of preparation.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Well, listen, it only rain, the only time it ever rains is three days after the fire, so we can have a mudslide.

• 1:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Nice, yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  And so, you know, we can have a sort of end of days type Sodom and Gomorrah situation. So that is the only time it rains is just to cause the mudslide after the fire. But to prove your point with climate change, they're always talking about rising sea levels, right? All the houses that burned to the ground are on the ocean. And the ocean didn't get them. It was the fire that got them. The, the, the places on PCH, many of those places have been there since the 30s and 40s. The ocean's in the same place. It hasn't moved at all. The ocean is only six or eight feet below PCH.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  It's not even that low. It's never on PCH, it never makes it to PCH. And to show, it's a weird thing cuz people in California talk about climate change, but the lots that are on the ocean side of PCH are 10 million bucks more than the ones that are up the hill-

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  -that would be safe from the ocean that was rising.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the ocean's not rising. It hasn't risen at all. It's all bullshit. In fact, there was some crazy thing that I was reading about. God, I don't want to say whether it's Iceland or what. I think I put it on my Twitter. I'm 99% sure I did. So I'll send it to you, Jamie. Yeah, it's from Reuters. And it's about Iceland. Iceland has declared a threat to the Atlantic Ocean Current, a national security risk, potential collapse of which could trigger a modern day ice age, with winter temperatures across northern Europe plummeting to new cold extremes. This is Reuters, and this is a new thing. Like, I have brought in climate change people. A lot of them who are scientists and skeptics.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  You found it, Jamie.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  I've talked to-

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  This is it. So, this is fucking bananas. So this is the exact opposite of what they've been telling you about the ice. The ice is gonna melt, the ocean's gonna rise. And they're saying, no, actually, we might get plunged into a new fucking ice age in Europe.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, if you really think about it. I mean, these people were the ones who were talking about the food pyramid 20 minutes ago. You know what I mean? They're wrong about everything.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Almost everything.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  And they're so wrong that they had to switch it. Like, it used to be global warming, before that it was the ice age. Now, it's just, now they just go climate change. Cause that basically covers them being wrong about everything. They're depressing the shit out of young people.

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  Scaring the fuck out of them. Climate change fear is one of the biggest anxieties that young people have. They don't believe the world will be there for them in the future if we don't act now. That's the Greta Thunberg.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Dare you.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Right. But then why, you know, and the whole point is like, why do anything at that point? Why procreate? Why study? Why get a degree? Why learn a trade, a skill? Why learn how to play the clarinet?

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  If everything's gonna be underwater or on fire, whatever that is. Like, it's really debilitating to young people. And it's weird. It's weird that these people try to depress the shit out of young people. It's kinda weird, it's kinda interesting. That all the white people, all the young white people, they sell climate change to. And then the young black people, they sell systemic racism to. Cause they're not really into the climate change. But they're like, hey, everyone, you gotta be miserable. That's our, our whole point. So it's like Greta Thunberg talks to all the white kids and goes, climate change. And then Obama talks to all the young black kids and goes systemic racism.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  But either way, let's not enjoy ourselves.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's also a thing that you, you come to realize as you're an adult. If there's ever a public narrative where they're protecting you and protecting the future and trying to help and save people, that's a lie.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Almost always, it's about money.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  It's almost always about somebody profiting from some green energy initiative or some other bullshit they're trying to push through, some vegan meat, whatever the fuck it is. Stop eating beef, the cows are ruining the climate. It's all, it's all lies. There's no fucking real statistics that can point to that in any way, shape or form. And yet they spit it out on TV all the time, pretending that they care about you. They never, ever, ever care about public health and safety, ever. It is always about how am I making money by scaring you about public health and safety.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Whether it's climate change, or whether it's COVID, whether it's take the vaccine, or whether it's stop using gas powered vehicles. It's someone making money.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  I agree, the scary part is our sort of infinite, infinite ability to absorb the next one that comes down the pike and run with it.

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  And I don't mean you or me, but I just mean as a society, they'll just go, what's next? And they'll start pitching the next.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Ukraine, what's next?

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Right, whatever, whatever their pitch, they'll imbibe it and they'll digest it. And, and by the way, then they become sort of carriers. They just go out and report on it and then. Hell you, you know, they somehow become ambassadors of bullshit. They're like bullshit ambassadors, like we have deputized all you dumb scared people to be released on to society.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  As ambassadors of bullshit who are gonna scare everybody. Cause covid wouldn't have worked if we didn't have a bunch of dumb scared people running around. Like Gavin Newsom can shut the beaches all he wants, but if everyone just declared a beach day, then we'd be fine. Everyone just show up. They can't police it. You know what I mean?

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  They are sort of limited in terms of what they can do in terms of policing it. But they deputize all these dumb ambassadors to go out and enforce it for them. And then that's the scary part.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. It's the people doing the man's work for the man.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, like nobody in a uniform ever told me to put a mask on. It was all middle aged women. It was, there was nobody of any who had any authority or a badge or a gun. It was all the idiots that had been weaponized in the society.

• 1:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it was also a thing where they had the opportunity to yell at you and you just had to take it.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  They were on the right side. Put a fucking mask on. Like, whoa, who are you talking to bitch? Why are you talking to me like that? Everybody had to just eat it.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  I think all roads lead to narcissism. Like they felt like they go, I have a son who has asthma.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Do you think it's okay? Me, everything was I, me, I, I have an elderly parent, I'm a caregiver.

• 1:13:11Joe Rogan?

  You killed my granny.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  Me, yes, that was all, God, that was all, that's all it was.

• 1:13:18Joe Rogan?

  But also, but no anger towards the people that created the disease.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Once, once the information came out and literally Newsweek was, I think, the first place that broke on the front cover. The, the lab leak hypothesis and they're, they're saying it seems like that is actually the case. Nobody got angry. You were angry at people that didn't want to get vaccinated and you didn't get angry at the person who used science to create a horrible disease that was completely... This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you've thought about trying therapy with our long-term partner, BetterHelp, insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average copay for eligible members of just $23 per session. And with World Mental Health Day on the 10th, now's the perfect time to give it a try.

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• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  Well, I think what was going on because... You and I, I've talked to a lot of people about this, like where's the anger over finding out that it was made in China at a lab and so on and so forth. And then where's the anger over being forced to be vaxxed or all this misinformation being used and blah, blah, blah. And I realize they don't want to say anything because they're ashamed because they were the ones who bought it and enforced it and got really militant about it and started screaming at anyone who suggested it came from a lab or suggested the shot wasn't good or going to work or spread or natural immunity. They went after everyone so hard that now

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  it's a lesson in embarrassment and humiliation for them to go, oh, me a Kobe, like, okay, I get it. I was wrong. I think the people that were a little more neutral about it can definitely process it. Everyone else is sort of reporting that they're idiots if they do this and they're gullible and it also leaves them vulnerable for the next one. Meaning if you go, hey, man, I was 100% wrong about all things COVID. I thought it came from a pangolin and a wet market. I thought getting triple vax would save the day. I thought ivermectin was the horse paste or whatever. Like I went all in and I was

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  a 100% wrong. If you do that, well, eventually there's going to be another thing that comes along and it doesn't have to be a pandemic. It can just be whatever. Climate change.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  And then you go, well, you know how wrong you were about everything COVID? Perhaps you're wrong about climate change or this next thing or who you voted for.

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  And they don't want to open that window, that possibility.

• 1:17:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's unfortunate because what you're saying is actually a formula for figuring out how to better navigate the world. Because if you do say, hey, I was wrong. I really believed all that stuff they were saying and now I get it and I'm sorry. And I'm sorry that I called you a plague rat because you didn't get the vaccine. I'm sorry. I thought it was a good idea to mask children.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:11Joe Rogan?

  And vaccinate children. I'm sorry. Maybe then the next time something comes along, you'll say, okay, wait a minute. What is the public narrative that's being forced down my throat that I'm a bad person if I don't believe? And let me analyze this and let me see, are there any dissenting opinions that are like from Stanford and MIT, which there certainly was during COVID and those all got silenced? Is there anybody else out there that makes a very good point that maybe this is bullshit? And is there a financial incentive as to why they're pushing this narrative? So if you go through something where you're totally wrong and you're adamant about enforcing this wrong opinion, and then you have to realize it. And if you can come to grips with the idea that your ideas are not you,

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  you are just a person and your ideas are just some things that you have that you carry with you, but they are not you. And they will become you if you get married to them and defend them even if you know that they're wrong. Then they'll be like a child and you're hiding hiding a body for them. And instead, you can say, oh, this is why that idea worked on me. Now I reckon, you know, it's like if someone cheats on you or if someone like, if you have a business manager steals money, next guy, you're gonna check the fucking books. You know what I mean? If you're working with a guy and you think he might be showing up at the job drunk, the next person you hire, you're gonna go, you have a drunk drinking problem? You're gonna be a little bit more Right. ready for it. That's a thing that could be happening here as well.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  Like if you just admitted that you were wrong and then just came clean with it, you'd feel better about yourself. People would feel better about your opinions because they know they can trust you to say when you were wrong. And you'll probably be way better equipped to analyze the next narrative that's being shoved down your throat. And go, hold on, before we jump right in this and blow up all the gas powered cars, let's look, before we kill all the cows, let's look at this.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  You are right, but we're sort of getting back to a sort of insecurity thing. Yeah. Like I, you are good at enough stuff and successful enough that you can handle somebody going, yeah, you were wrong about this thing. Right. Um, for them, so much of their worth is tied up in this. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, and I don't think you know any guys that really are good at stuff, really have mastered something, could be an instrument, could be mixed martial arts, could be a master carpenter. They don't walk around with that so insecure, so, they don't fight so hard.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Like, like, I remember when I was a kid, I would argue real hard, because I guess I was insecure. Like, I'm right, you're wrong, you know, like, remember you're a kid, you get so caught up in stuff? You know, like, oh, who would win in a fight? Godzilla or King Kong? And you'd, you'd start getting like really fired up and stuff. And then I got older, and then I got successful, and I learned a trade, and I knew some stuff, and I had some race cars and did some stuff, and I kind of went, yeah, okay, I can be wrong, because I'm, I'm still gonna be this person. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's, it's like, you own the building we're sitting in, so you can be wrong. It's your building, it's still gonna be your building. You know what I mean?

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  But if it's not your building, and you're just sort of temporary, and you don't own anything, and you don't master anything, and nothing has your name on it, well, then you're fighting for that. Where you're fighting for your very identity. You're, yeah, that becomes part of your identity. Whereas like, COVID, being right or being wrong, wasn't really, I wasn't that wrapped up in it. I had other things that was going on. So, I think we're dealing with a deficit of expertise, and these people are fighting hard. Like, for me, a lot of it... toggling in between the blue collar world and the sort of ideas world of, you know,

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  air conditioning and cubicles and thoughts and ideas and stuff and then being on a job site. The job site guys are the most even guys I've ever hung out with. By the way, COVID, neither here nor there. To, to the workers, to the dudes putting on the tool bags and swinging the hammer. Just, I've spent a lot of time with these guys. I would go from the job site, blue collar, regular dudes, and then I'd go into the white collar world and it's triple mask and everyone's distancing and dumping pearl on their head. And I was like, what, what is so different about these two? And the ones, they're up in their head, they intellectualize everything and the other

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  guys are tactile and they have a relationship with danger. Everything on that job site could cut your hand off. There's belt sanders and band saws and like routers are really dangerous. They have, you know, carbide bits on them that'll gouge you and fuck you up badly and you gotta know what you're doing. Like, and, and, and a router's not the same as a high point saw and that's not the same as a framing gun. Like, you have to sort of know and there is no such thing as, well, that's dangerous. Don't use, don't use the power saw. It's too dangerous. Like, well, we gotta build a house. Well, it's too dangerous. Well, we gotta speed it up.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  Meaning like, you gotta get up on scaffolding or you gotta get on a ladder, but you have to do it and you, you have to weigh it, you know? You have to kind of go, well, it's going to take a long time to put scaffolding all the way around this house. How about I just put a ladder? And you go, well, that's not as safe as scaffolding. Yeah, I know, but we gotta do this thing. And so it's a constant weighing of danger. Right. Like pros, cons, what could happen? Cause everything could kill you in that situation, but you have to get the job done. And so those guys are calibrated and so like COVID felt like something to them.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  But they calibrated the danger and realized, yes, it's a thing, but I also have to go to work and schools need to be open and it doesn't really affect kids. Let's protect the old people. Like it, they had to make those decisions and the white collar college crowd cannot calibrate and they don't know what to do with danger. They don't know how to deal with it and they've been off the farm for so long and in the air conditioning that it's gone. Right. Like you grow up on a farm and that's part of your life and that used to be part of everyone's life. You were just going to a factory, working a stamp or in a press, you

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  know, whatever it is, it could take your hand off and then you're on a farm and it's the same thing. Equipment, stuff's above, stuff, stuff can happen. You're constantly sort of calibrated for danger and then you move everyone out of the farm and off the factory and out of the construction site and you put them in an air conditioned cubicle and you slather them up with Purell and they lose all their calibration. So when something like COVID comes along, they go, oh shit, close everything, get a distance, put a mask on. Uh, even if you're going to swim practice, you gotta wear the mask in the pool because

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  we gotta, it's 100% safety over Alice because they weren't, no one was calibrated and it was all of the administrators and the teachers and all the academics and all the people that ran college. They were making all, they were the ones that were doing all the process for this. They were making all the rules. It wasn't the blue collar. Right. Guys making the rules. It was all the white collar, college educated people. Terrified people. Terrified because they don't.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  They don't have a relationship to danger.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  They don't, they don't have that.

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  I think you just laid it out. That was brilliant. It's true. It's absolutely true. It's not a normal way to live, you know? It's not natural.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Well, being as safe as humanly possible all the time is not good, and they look at it as good. So, again, it's, we can put five caissons in the ground and that'll be enough for the next 200 years. Yeah, but why not do 500 caissons? Wouldn't that be better? And it's like, yeah, no, it's too expensive, it's not feasible, and it's not gonna work. And so, like saying, protecting old people would be a good idea, shutting down schools would be a bad idea. And their whole thing is, we're shutting everything because we're going full safety all the time. And it is a big problem.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  There's also no diversity of thought.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a giant liberal bubble. It's a big echo chamber. And so, all the crazy ideas get supported by other people that think these crazy ideas are rational. And there's not enough balance. There's not enough, the fact that they did it, I mean, all those people with children, alright? They, they must have known this is bad for their child's development. They must have known the kid didn't need a vaccine. They must have known that COVID, if you look at the statistics, it's very insignificant for kids. It's not even like the flu. That's how it was with my kids. That's how it was with most of my friends' kids. It was nothing. But yet, they allowed those motherfuckers to keep them out of school for a year and a half. They told them to wear masks when it didn't make any sense, when there was no studies whatsoever that masks did any good.

• 1:27:44Joe Rogan?

  In fact, not only that, but there's some real indicators that masks, like carrying around a dirty fucking mask and breathing into it all day, probably increases the amount of bacteria you're taking in.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:54Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's terrible.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  I, I, well, first off, I, I want you to know, I told my son, who was in high school at the time, if you come back from school and tell me that no one told you to put a mask up at least 15 times, I will disown you. I want that fucking mask around your nutsack like the entire time. I want it to be a constant correction, where put the mask, when they're done telling you to put the mask up and they walk away, put it back down again.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  So stupid.

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  I will be so proud of you if you get suspended for this. I was at, I was in Catalina. And I was outdoors in Catalina during covid.

• 1:28:28Joe Rogan?

  Which is an island, folks.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Which is an island, folks. And I was trying to exchange a ticket for a ferry ride in a outdoor kiosk in Catalina. And I was standing on one side outside and the woman was inside the kiosk, like behind the glass. And I go, look, I just gotta trade this two o'clock ticket in for like a five o'clock ticket. And she goes, you gotta put a mask on or we can't do anything. I said, I'm out here, you're in there, I'm outdoors, there's glass between us. And she's like, you gotta put a mask on or we cannot do this transaction. And I was like, I don't have a mask. And she's like, you gotta put. And I looked around.

• 1:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Could you do this?

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Do the shirt?

• 1:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, isn't it the same thing?

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  I don't know. I've tried, I've tried it for farting for years and it's not proven to be effective.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  But you could do it with the bandana. What's a bandana?

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  She goes, you need a mask. And I said, okay. And I looked around and there was a, someone else's mask was blowing down the sidewalk.

• 1:29:26Joe Rogan?

  And you went and chased it?

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  I went and got the stupid mask and I put somebody else's dirty mask from the ground on my face. And I went, okay, you satisfied we got a mask? And she goes, all right, here's your ticket. And then I just took it off and threw it away. I did that way more than once. I did that walking into LAX, where I, I never had a mask. I would, it was so insane to me that I wouldn't even think about it. But I would find myself walking into an airport going, oh shit, I don't, I don't, and I'd see one on the ground and I'd just pull it up and put it on.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen those landfills with, filled with masks?

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  How many masks turned into just landfill?

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  We're so dumb.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb. It was an environmental disaster. There was millions, hundreds of millions of those fucking things, just in this country. Just in this country. Who knows how many of them?

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Not to mention gloves. I mean, people are putting gloves on.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  I didn't wear any gloves, but I wore masks. So I think about all the times I wore a mask. I'm one person. I probably wore 30 or 40 different masks over the course of however long it took. Maybe a hundred. Who knows?

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  I was a mask recycler, because I get my shit off the ground.

• 1:30:37Joe Rogan?

  When I first moved here, that was one of the things that I was shocked by. People weren't wearing masks. I was like, they're living in a totally different reality. This is nuts.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  Well, not, not only, but the thing that's crazy is the first time we heard the phrase mask up in between bites, like on an airplane where they, they'd yell at you to wear the mask the whole time, right? And then at some point, they'd hand you the hummus box and they'd go, in between bites. I was like, we all should have went, okay, this doesn't exist. Masking up in between bites. Like, I yelled, I was talking to Dr. Drew and I said, mask up in between bites. That's, that's zero. That means zero mask, right? I mean, it wouldn't work at all, right? He goes, no, it's nothing. And I said, if I ran a highway safety campaign that said, belt up in between lights,

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  it would make more sense than mask up in between bites.

• 1:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that actually would make sense.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  At least 50% of the time, you'd have your seatbelt on.

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  If you could get it on in time for when the green light goes, yeah, it would totally make sense. Unless somebody rear ends you while you park.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Well, I would recommend just keeping the seatbelt on all the time, but masking up in between bites makes zero. Zero. And the weird thing is, is like, people, the scary part is people weren't skeptical at all. Like, they should have heard mask up in between bites and went, oh, okay, so this is all theater. This is bullshit. Like, I'm not going along with this. Or half, half the people that lectured me on wearing a mask were wearing theirs down around, under their nose, you know? Or the one I liked, my favorite one was when the flight attendant would go, you're gonna have to get that mask on. Cause for me, it was a constant, you gotta, you know, I'm a mouth breather. I'm like, I, this is driving me nuts, you know?

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  I'm being like waterboarded with my own saliva here. And they'd always come, and half the time, the flight attendant had their mask with the elastic strap twisted 180, which made it create a huge gap on the side. Like, I can see three quarters of an inch of daylight coming in the side of your mask, bitch, and you're giving me a lecture about wearing a mask. We should have known, people should have been skeptical. We should have seen it didn't hurt kids. Like, the whole lie was the kids' part. I was on to them early because...

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  I realized, well, somebody pointed out to me later why I was skeptical early, which is there was a pattern that had broken, which is every time they give you a death, like when you're driving and listening to the radio and they go, "An 89-year-old man was struck and killed by a cyclist," and then they'd go, "A 61-year-old mother from Laverne," you know, whatever that thing. And when I started hearing about COVID deaths, I didn't get an age. I just got, "Another person died of COVID." And I was like, listening to it, like, this was like, five days in. This person died of COVID, and I was like, "How old was that person?" And they never said the age.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  They just said, "Died of COVID." And I was like, "But if you died in a motorcycle accident or a heart attack, they gave an age all throughout history." And I was like, "I'm not getting ages." I think these are really old people, but they're not telling us they're really old people, because it wouldn't scare us as much. Because if a 91-year-old dies of anything, you just kind of go, "All right, the guy's had a good run." You know, but if you hear about an 11-year-old dying, it's a big deal. And so I stopped hearing ages, and I was like, "They're trying to fuck with us now, because they don't want to tell us these are elderly people who are dying of COVID." And so I kind of caught on that kids weren't being effective, or being affected, I should say, early with COVID.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  And then they focused all on the kids, but the kids were there to scare us. Because when elderly people die, it's just not a tragedy compared to young people dying. Right. And so they left the old people off. They focused real hard on the kids. They shut the schools, and then when we start to catch on and go, "Well, I don't think these kids are dying," they go, "Yeah, but..." They get COVID, they bring it home because they live with Nana and Pappy. And I'm like, who lives with their grandparents in Los Angeles in 2021? You know what I mean? Like, it's like Italy, 1930. You know what I mean? Like, I don't live with nobody.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  I know lives with their grandparents, but they were working the kid angle.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  And that was to scare the moms. And then the moms control the house. And that's how it works. The moms are the ones kind of setting the pace for the house.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. And if they're being told that something's going to keep everybody safe, they're going to lean in that direction.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  And hurting the kids.

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• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  And they go super safety Uber Alice.

• 1:37:16Joe Rogan?

  Oof, yeah, that's what they did. This, the thing is like, I wonder how many people, if something very similar happened tomorrow, of a new COVID that's just as bad as the last COVID, meaning that it's not really that bad. It's, it's not the bubonic plague. It's something that's gonna really mostly be a major problem for old people and for people that are already immune compromised or have many comorbidities, like most of the people that died.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:44Joe Rogan?

  If, but if that came along today, I wonder how quickly people would be willing to accept the rejection of alternative medicines. Like if people found out, like the, one of the big ones that was really, I thought insidious, was monoclonal antibodies. Monoclonal antibodies were really effective. And because of that, they made them really hard to get. It, it, like, there's a conspiracy there. I don't want to connect any dots. I don't know who was involved in it, but I do know that they were making monoclonal antibodies very difficult to get. And when I asked my doctor, I said, why do you think they're doing that? He said, to encourage vaccination 100%. He said, it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of it. It's very effective.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  I, listen, I was always really suspicious how everyone became overnight experts in everything. You know what I mean? Like, oh, they knew hydroxychloroquine. They couldn't pronounce ivermectin 10 minutes ago, and now they're experts in it?

• 1:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  And also, I'll tell you when you should be suspicious. Be suspicious when people aren't sort of agnostic about things. Like if you'd said to me, what about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine? I'd go, well, I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Why don't you talk to your doctor about it? What do you mean? Epidemiologist? I don't, I'm a comedian. I don't know anything. Everyone on CNN was an expert. And they all knew that it didn't work. And I'm like, how do you guys all know this all at the same time? How does Rolling Stone magazine, how, how do you losers all know this thing that you'd never heard of before, that you couldn't pronounce the day before yesterday? You now all know it doesn't

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  work based on nothing? So now I'm suspicious. Because if...

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  If CNN was just sort of like, hey, maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't work. I don't know. You should definitely look into it. But they all knew it didn't work. And when you know it doesn't work, then you should be suspicious of those people because it's impossible. It's like.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, the whole gamble was hoping you didn't Google search it.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Right. They knew it didn't come from a lab. How is that knowable?

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  How do you know unequivocally they didn't come from a lab where they developed these antibodies? So these.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it's a racist theory somehow.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Right, right. So here's the whole thing. If CNN, you know, if somebody said to CNN, hey, do you think it came from a wet market or it came from a lab? Do you think ivermectin works or hydroxychloroquine works? And they just went, I don't know. I, we gotta look into it. I don't, but maybe it makes sense it came from a lab, but I don't know. We should look into it. But they all knew.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  And when you know something you don't know, then you're lying.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  That's how it works.

• 1:40:43Joe Rogan?

  That's how it works. And that's what we got shoved down our face. The ivermectin thing was fascinating because when CNN was saying that I was taking a horse dewormer, which is they, they chose to refer to it as that.

• 1:40:57Speaker 01

  That's perfect.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  I had no idea ivermectin was even remotely controversial when I said that. I didn't know. I just knew that this was what was recommended along with all that other stuff. But they didn't focus on any of the other things. They couldn't dismiss monoclonal antibodies because everybody knew that that was really effective. IV vitamins proven effective.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  But they protested so much, like I was yelling like they're going, oh, look at, you know, Joe Rogan. I go, is Joe Rogan dead? Cause he seems fine.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Not only was I not dead, I got better really quick and they didn't care about that at all. And so the, the narrative, and I'm not young, you know, at the time I was 53 or four, 54.

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's not, it wasn't what they said it was. And that was what the problem was. When they found a healthy person who takes care of himself, got over it really quickly with these medications. They had to figure out, they turned my face yellow on TV.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  But here's my whole thing.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Why would you mortgage your integrity? Mm-hmm. Why would you play so fast and loose with the only thing you really need to own? Like, it's really all you've got. In terms of, you know, my house could have burned down in Malibu, but I can get a new house. You know, and my Paul Newman race car, I could crash in total, but it's, but I can get a new one. But when your reputation goes, that's it. Exactly. That's all you got. Yeah, especially when it's a provable, easily provable lie. So why were they so fast and loose? Like, why was Sanjay Gupta up there talking about horse paste when he knew better?

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  When it is now so damaging to their reputation? Like, if somebody said to me, "Hey, Rolling Stone magazine," I'd go, "Fuck off. I'm not gonna listen to any of those people." Sanjay Gupta recommends, I'd be like, "That asshole? All he does is lie." And I'm not gonna, maybe he's right, by the way. Maybe he's not lying about this thing. Right. I'm just saying, I'm not going to listen to him and many other people because of this. And I don't get why you would do that. I mean, for him to say, "Horse paste," like, I like, "Well, it can be used on a horse." It's like... I don't think Sanjay said that, but most of them did. You know, what he did is he went back onto, like, Anderson Cooper's show.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  Don Lemon. Or Don Lemon, sorry. Yeah, to me, they're almost the same. God, they both, they love lying and cock. Those are their things. But you're right, they're different, they're different. So, he went on Don Lemon, and Don Lemon is going, "But it is, can be used on a horse." He's like, "Well, it can't," I mean, he really should have used that moment to clarify a little bit. But he just sort of passively went along with Don Lemon on that one. I think it's more of a...

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Just not being a very brave person and being confronted and not being very easy. Also, it was like, I think, one of the first times he'd ever been attacked. Um, he got attacked publicly after, and he got attacked publicly even more after that. And I actually, like, made a post about it, just like, he's a good guy, just, he's a part of a system. You know, I don't think Sanjay's a bad guy at all. I like talking to him. I think he's a very nice guy.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  I agree, I agree. And I, and I don't, I feel that way about most people who were involved with this. Most, not, not all, but still, being a good guy, but sort of peddling misinformation that you're, you know enough, like, you know what the truth is.

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  I think many of them don't. This is a problem with medicine. Like, say if, I believe Sanjay is a neurosurgeon. Is that correct? I believe that's what he does. He's a practicing doctor, right? So that involves him being focused on his area of expertise all day long and very little time for anything else. You're working long hours, you're doing very complicated surgeries. I don't think you have the time to go look on Reddit and find out conspiracy theories about SB 40 and the fucking vaccine, the simian virus 40. Like, what is this? Hold on. What is, what's mRNA? How did they make it?

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  What do the tests actually show? What do they, like, no, he's going by whatever the medical establishment tells everyone to go by. If they're saying it's been shown to give you antibodies, it will stop deaths, this works, he's just gonna say that. He's not the guy that's gonna do a bunch of research and go, so when he's saying that, when he's trying to tell people to get vaccinated, it's not because he's a propagandist. It's because he believes the business that he works for, because he's not that guy. He's not like Peter McCullough, who goes digging into all the studies and says, no, this is, none of this is accurate. Or Robert Malone, who did the same thing, who's, literally owns patents, nine patents on the creation of mRNA.

• 1:46:07Joe Rogan?

  RNA vaccine technology, got vaccinated and that was telling people, don't do it. This is not what they said. It has a terrible reaction to the body. This is why it doesn't stay local. He starts saying all these things and they're accusing him of spreading misinformation. Like he literally helped create the fucking thing. And he's telling you to not do it.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  They would go after anybody who just got outside the narrative.

• 1:46:29Joe Rogan?

  But what I'm saying is Sanjay's not that guy.

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  No, I agree, but he, he, he could have figured out the horse paste part. Like there's a.

• 1:46:36Joe Rogan?

  He just, I think he probably just wanted to keep that gig at CNN. And Don Lemon didn't want to take the L. He didn't want to take an L. Like you, your whole company took an L. And here's the big way they took an L. They are used to doing that to people. They're used to doing that. They're used to lying about you. They're used to bullshitting and getting away with it because they had a bigger platform.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think they've realized up until that point, I don't think they've realized how big podcasts have gotten. I really don't think they knew. I think they thought, we're CNN, we can get away with any. There's a hundred people working in this building. It's just him and fucking Jamie. This is crazy. We're going to bury this guy. And I think they went for it in that way. And you know, my, first of all, I easily could have sued him.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Easily. Easily could have won a ton of money. Um, but my perspective was like, you, do you think you can just lie? And what, I can talk. Like you can't stop me from telling the truth. This is mortgaging your integrity is the perfect way to describe it. Cause like what a stupid thing to do for the whole network. I wouldn't care if it's the pharmaceutical drug companies or whoever. If I was the head of that network and someone said, we're going to just lie about someone and we're going to call a universally accepted effective medicine. We're going to call it horse dewormer, something that's in the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines.

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  The guy who created it won a Nobel Prize. We're going to call that horse dewormer. And we're just going to say, uh, that it's killing people. And then we're going to just run with, I'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? We have to stay, CNN has to be here in 2030. CNN has got to be here. 2040.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:48:18Joe Rogan?

  If we kill the reputation in 2020, you're gonna fuck it up for the future. This is not worth doing.

• 1:48:24Speaker 01

  Well, they definitely, they, and by the way, they came right off of Russian collusion of like four years of that.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  Right into COVID, like they were just wrong about everything, but you're right, they got used to it. And they got kinda complacent and I don't think they anticipated what you're talking about. The sort of alternative media and podcasters and just voices coming, coming from other places.

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  And also those voices being united, like you were saying things that I was saying, that Glenn Greenwald was saying, that Ma Taibbi was saying, it was like, all these different podcasts were all saying, this is horse shit.

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  And that voice of this is horse shit was enormous in comparison to CNN.

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  Right. And, but it's always, it, it's what happens to all sort of old guard companies or many. I mean, it, it, it can be media, but could also just be automotive manufacturers. Like the big three were so big and so dominant for so long in this country. That when Toyota and Datsun started showing up in 1969, they're like, get out of here. Just gonna try that little pop gun. No one wants that crap. Come on, man. We make, we make land yachts, you know, and they didn't start changing.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  They, it took them a long time because they were like, we're Ford, we're Chrysler, we're GM, we're huge. We do it, we sell cars to the world and they want our product. And nobody, I mean, it's, it happens countlessly, like in business, like somebody needs to sound the alarm, but no one says anything and they just sail off. And at some point their market share drops, you know, below 20% or whatever. And now it's time for a huge correction, right? And I'm guessing legacy media is going through that. They're, they're basically going through what the big three auto manufacturers went through in the early eighties. Like we need to make a more reliable, smaller car that's more fuel efficient. Yeah.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  They were Toyota, Nissan, you know, Datsun, whatever. They were way down the road on that, making those cars before Ford and Chrysler and GM and whatever started to begin to think about that.

• 1:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  You know, so it's like a, it's like an aircraft carrier. Takes a long time to turn around. And these media companies, at least like traditional legacy stuff, are realizing, we gotta right the ship. And they're doing it, but it's, it takes a while.

• 1:51:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't see any difference in what CNN is doing, other than bringing on guys like Scott Jennings and Coleman Hughes and more reasonable people.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  It, it, it's like incremental, it's slow. Barry Weiss is now doing the news division at CBS. So CBS, who's like lying all through 60 Minutes and editing and cooking and all that kind of stuff. They've found somebody from our sort of media sphere to come in and sort of be a little more middle of the road. And it's gonna be tough, because you've got a bunch of old guard there who doesn't want to do it. I mean, it's sort of like the first Trump administration. Like, he goes, "I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna do a whole bunch of shit that I want to do." And it's like, not with all these old guard people hanging around, going, "All right,

• 1:51:56Speaker 01

  oh, we'll call you president, but behind your back, we're not gonna let you do any of this shit."

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  Well, it's gonna take these progressive media companies a little while to flush out all of these college grads that have been there for 10 years, that have just been used to having their way.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, parasitic ideologues.

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:52:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, that's news. I mean, half of what you see in the news is essentially propaganda. They're, they're pushing a very specific narrative and it's not an objective look at both sides of any story. It's always coming from some sort of an activist lens. And it's weird that that's been allowed to talk, I mean, it's the same thing. You're mortgaging your reputation.

• 1:52:40Speaker 01

  But you, just to cut you off.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  You don't know it until they start writing about you and talking about you. And that's when you realize, oh, my God, they got everything wrong.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  Forget about COVID, just in general. You know what I mean? Like, just back in the day when they'd start writing an article about you. I mean, at the beginning of your career or whatever. Like, I started noticing it when they'd just write articles about me. Not, they weren't being negative. I'd just read the article and go, they got that wrong, they got that wrong, they got that wrong. And I realized that the person next to me, who was just reading the newspaper, thought was all that.

• 1:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And so, until they start writing about you, you don't really realize just how far off they are, even without an agenda.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  And then, once they get an agenda, now they're way the fuck off. Because now it's intentional. Whereas in the past, they're just inaccurate, you know? But it is kind of sobering to read stuff about yourself. And it's always like, oh, they got it wrong.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, when someone's doing something like that on purpose, that's evil. That's an evil person. And that's a giant chunk of that business. A giant chunk of that business is purposely misrepresenting people because that's going to make for a more salacious story or that's going to push the narrative that you're trying to push. And this BBC thing that they did with Trump, I'm sure you've, you watched that. Like, that's a perfect example that they felt justified in editing something to make it look like he had a completely different sentence.

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  Well, the funny thing about it is whenever they confront the outgoing head who's on the way out, they always go, yeah, we did this, but we're not biased at all.

• 1:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:35Speaker 01

  And it's like, well, it's first off, it's one or the other, bitch. Like, it's, yes, you are biased. And why did you do it? Why, why? By the way, you didn't get the tape like this. You edited the tape like this. So, that's a calorie burner right there.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  And it's not a thing you could say you made a mistake when it's literally 53, 54 minutes later, he says the second part of the sentence.

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you're biased and you're cooking it.

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:02Speaker 01

  And that means we don't need to listen to the BBC anymore.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  Which is the part about mortgaging your reputation, which...

• 1:55:12Speaker 01

  People, I think, I've come to sort of learn that it's not always about accuracy. I think it's about authenticity, which is to say, people may disagree with something that Joe Rogan or Adam Carolla has to say, and that's fine, because it's gonna happen. I mean, that's society, that's opinions, that's how it works. But they have to believe you believe it. And if we believe you believe it, and I think a lot of your success is people go, he 100% believes what he is saying.

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  And even if I disagree with 20% of your 100%, I will listen to you because you believe it. And I think that's the problem. The problem is, is when you don't believe that person believes what they're saying.

• 1:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  So, you can be inaccurate. I mean, it's a lot of moving parts, a lot of information, a lot of stuff you never heard of before. You can be, you know, something like COVID, I don't know about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. I don't know monoclonal, and I don't know any of this stuff. So I'm willing to go, I could make a mistake, I don't know the subject. But I am saying what I think, and I believe. And if you believe that, then we're gonna have a relationship. If you start thinking I'm lying, it's really gonna hurt the relationship.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if your job is to just lie, if they've given you some sort of a mandate, this is how we're gonna frame this, it's not like it was their ideas to all lockstep in uniform, start calling it horse dewormer.

• 1:56:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:00Joe Rogan?

  And that Rolling Stone article where they pretended that a bunch of people were waiting in line at the emergency room for gunshot wounds. It's, not only that, it was a photo of people wearing winter coats, because they were lining up for the flu shot. That was the stock photo. And they, this was Oklahoma in like, August.

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  I, first off, I was in Catalina when Rolling Stone ran that. I literally was looking at my phone.

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  Was it at the same time when they were telling you to do the mask?

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  Someone was yelling, get your mask, and I was looking at the sink. And it was so weird, I just had a flashback. I was, I was there, yeah, I did a gig and like, I don't know, it was the summer, it was like Catalina, but yeah, yeah, it was the middle of the summer. And everyone was wearing beanies and parkas and scarves and stuff and Rolling Stone. And that's the problem. The problem is, I used to subscribe to Rolling Stone when I was younger. And I liked Rolling Stone and I would read their articles and I would believe Rolling Stone. And now, I don't believe them anymore.

• 1:57:59Joe Rogan?

  Because of that, yeah.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  Right, and the real danger is, is they may be right about something, but I'm still not gonna believe it because it's them.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:58:08Speaker 01

  And you may be wrong about something, but I'll believe that you mean it. And that's all you need.

• 1:58:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, if I am wrong about something and I find out I'm wrong about something, I'll tell you I was wrong about something. And I'll tell you why I thought differently and what I learned. I don't think you should be married to ideas. I think they should bounce around inside your head and you should cling on to them if they're rational and they make sense. And if they've been challenged. But if you don't want your ideas ever challenged, then they're not ideas. You're, you're basically in a religion.

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  You know, there's also, as we go down and talk about this, this sort of posture that you have, that I have, in terms of your ideas, where I realize that having like a building background, my process is constantly saying to people, here's my idea, here's what I wanna do with this deck.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:08Speaker 01

  Now tell me why I'm wrong, or tell me how to make it better, or give me a better idea.

• 1:59:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  And, and oftentimes people go, you know, why don't you just do it this way instead of that one? And I'll go, oh, that's a good, okay, I'll do it. And you know, from training and training with people and, and being in that world, it's constantly going, is there a better way to do this? And someone goes, you're doing this, but you should be doing that and this is a better way. And you're receptive to it because you wanna get better, you wanna get faster, you want, you know, I was always like, I'm gonna live in this house, so I'll take any idea anyone has that makes it better, cuz I own it. You know what I mean? And so, your posture is always, tell me what I'm doing wrong, tell me why I'm wrong, prove me wrong, tell me a way to do it better.

• 1:59:59Speaker 01

  Even in comedy, sometimes people go, you know, you could do it this way, or you could kind of flip it and start it with this premise. And then make this the button, and you go, oh yeah, thanks. Yeah, it's a better way to deliver it. So you're in a dry sponge kind of receptive mode all the time.

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  But if all you had was your ideas, and you had no other expertise or any, anything you could call your own, then those ideas, you would be very protective of. And they're constantly like circling the wagons, protecting their ideas. Whereas you're saying, give me a better idea and tell me why I'm wrong, so I can flourish.

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is also the jujitsu philosophy. Um, when you learn jujitsu, one thing that you learn is if you are doing something incorrect that leaves you vulnerable, you're gonna get caught, because other people are gonna know that. And so, someone has to show you, hey, when you're doing that, you're reaching with this arm. When you reach with this arm, the guy's gonna get head and arm on you. And you're like, okay, how should I do this? Keep your arm tucked to your chest, and use the proper technique. If you don't, if you don't listen, if you say, this is the way I do it, I'm gonna try to do it. You're just gonna keep getting caught, over and over again, and you're not gonna advance. So everybody understands that there's a reality to positions and technique. There's a reality, and then sometimes new realities get exposed. So sometimes, people have been taking the back, getting back mount a very specific way,

• 2:01:31Joe Rogan?

  but then someone comes up with some new move that gets you in a leg lock when you go to take mount. And they're like, oh, fuck, okay, well now you can't go that way anymore. And then we have to break it down, and then we all like try different things. And so, that, that thing of not being married to any ideas is a giant part of the philosophy of jujitsu. Because all of a sudden, there's heel hooks, oh, I didn't think of that. You can't stand that way, because then the guy can get you in the heel hook, oh, Jesus.

• 2:01:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  All right, let's, let's break down the guard pass now, we're gonna have to do it a different way. And this is a constant cycle in jujitsu, because jujitsu is never ending. There's new techniques of jujitsu that are invented every day. There's things that people are trying right now, somewhere in Portland, that are gonna make its way onto the national scene. Some guy will have some new way of doing a choke, or some new way of getting a heel hook, and everybody's gonna adopt it, and then everybody has to figure out the counters to it. And then, so this is endless process. So I apply that to everything.

• 2:02:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:28Joe Rogan?

  You it's either works or it doesn't work. It's real or it's not real. And then the weird ambiguous stuff like how you feel and how you behave. You have to take into account who you're talking to. Is this are we are we trying to make microaggressions punishable by jail time? Because someone is so fucking sensitive because they're crazy and that's going to be the barometer that everybody or are we going to say, hey, get it together and join us. You're gonna have to deal with microaggressions. You're gonna have to deal with you're gonna have to deal with those. People deal with those. They're not that big of a deal.

• 2:03:01Speaker 01

  Well, it's sort of microaggression is sort of like mask up in between bites. If you put the word micro in front of aggression, there's no aggression.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  It's everything. It's looks. The way you look at me could be a microaggression. It's like it's the dumbest fucking idea ever.

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:03:15Joe Rogan?

  You're just too you're too sensitive.

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  Making everyone safer is hurting them. Like wiping. I was always against the sterilizing everything, like wiping everything down. Purell. I never used Purell. I never indulged in any of that stuff. I like barely use soap. Like I was always really, I always sort of worked in the dirt. Like I was just in the dirt all the time. I was in football, you're like in the dirt, all just on your belly all the time. Like the field's all fucked up and it's half of it's dirt and you're just on your belly, just breathing dirt. And then in construction, I was like in the in the dirt all the time. And I started noticing

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  everyone was getting sick and having food allergies and allergic to peanuts and all this kind of stuff. And none of the in the dirt guys were ever allergic. Like I'd I'd go on so many food runs for the crew and a construction crew, you just go, I'm going on a lunch run. And they go, thanks. And you just leave. They don't say, I'm lactose intolerant or I have a gluten situation. I can't use tree nuts. They just you just go and you bring home a shitload of Taco Bell or whatever it is and you just throw it at them and they go, thanks, FA. And they just eat. Because their immune system is fine. They don't have any of this stuff. They're not wiping everything down.

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:43Speaker 01

  And I think. Everyone has a gut issue now, like everyone I know is like, I can't do that. There's too much acid in that pizza sauce. You know what I mean? I go, I'll eat it all. Give me the shit you can't eat. I'll eat it, you know? And everyone I know has got some sort of gut thing, some sort of head thing, some sort of bowel thing. And I realize they grew up sterile and taking antibiotics and wiping everything down and killing all the bacteria. And their immune system needs something to push back against. Like your immune system's got to work out a little bit. It's got to fight something. It's got to, it's got to, it's got to get worked out.

• 2:05:22Speaker 01

  And you are, you know, they do those studies where like Amish kids don't have hay fever and they don't have peanut allergies. And because they're outside.

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  Also, they're not vaccinated.

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  And they're not vaccinated, but people who have dogs that are outside dogs who come in are exposed to more stuff. And they get sick much less than just indoor dog people. And so their immune system is not working out. Like your immune system needs to work out like you need to work out. Like it needs something to do. And you taking away all the gravity gives it no workout. It's like being in the space shuttle, just floating around. You lose your muscle mass and you lose bone density. And I think your ideas are the same way, like with microaggressions and stuff like that. You need some calluses. You need a little something built up. You know what I mean?

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  Like a little intestinal fortitude, a little keep walking, a little just mind your Ps and Qs. All, you know, you need a little of that. And if you're so vulnerable all the time, like literally your gut and your biome and your bacteria need a workout, but your brain needs a little workout. Like a little controversy, a little pushback, a little somebody disagreeing with you. And if it's all bubble wrap and Purell and microaggressions, you have no system. You have no way to protect yourself.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  It's a really good point about the diseases, about getting sick, about just, just your health in general. Like being sterile and living on a street all the time, like stepping on concrete, never being exposed to nature at all. If you're a total city person. You're probably lacking in a very crucial vitamin to being a human being, which is our exposure to some kind of nature.

• 2:07:13Speaker 01

  Well, and it's always Madison Avenue who's trying to sell it to the housewives, right? Because they show them wiping everything down, right? That's what a loving mom would do. She would take Lysol, spray it all over the place and wipe. It's always them wiping it down. And then disease is some kind of weird green animation that's evil, you know? And then the good mom wipes it down and cleans. And she's always slathering the kid with something. And it's all the like shampoo and all the soaps and all the antibacterials. It's like this huge business of trying to scare the moms into buying all this shit to prove they love their children and they love themselves. And they've coached everyone up.

• 2:07:57Speaker 01

  Like if I say to people, like I'll go, I don't really use soap that much. They go, oh, gross. Oh, dude, yuck. Yeah, and I go, I just rinse off in the shower and then I go about my business. I go, oh, and I'll go like, sometimes I won't shower for like three days. They'll go, whoa, gross, so gross. Like it's a campaign. It's not that different than COVID. Like if you go, I don't want to wear masks, they all turn on you because they've all been sort of programmed. But I'm also the one who never gets sick. And you're the one who's always taking all your Tums and all your Mylanta and all your stomach shit and all that. You're the one who's taking all that. I never take any of that.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you work out and then take a shower after a workout?

• 2:08:43Speaker 01

  I do the, I do the, oh, I try, well, I try to do the cold plunge, but after the fire, the cold plunge, and it's a, it's a long story. So I do the freezing shower move. I just go in there and do it. Yeah, like I don't, I don't want to be gamey. You know what I mean? Like I'll, I'll put on some deodorant and you know, that kind of stuff. Like I'm not looking to offend people on the subway.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  But you don't use soap after a hard workout?

• 2:09:10Speaker 01

  I'm not, no, never use shampoo, never use soap. Like if you, if you bought me a bottle of shampoo, it would last like 28 years.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, um, I got in the habit of always showering and washing my skin because of jujitsu. You get a lot of, um, a lot of different infections.

• 2:09:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

  You can get, like, I've got staph a couple times. I got ringworm a couple times.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get. I'm not saying outlaw soap. I'm saying too many people are too sterile.

• 2:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  And you're hurting your system by being so protective.

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  What I was gonna say is, so I use special soap. So I use a soap called Defense Soap. And Defense Soap is like designed for grapplers. And what it does is it kills bad bacteria, but it promotes healthy skin flora. It's all like eucalyptus oil.

• 2:10:07Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Healthy stuff. Or it smells good, but it's good for your skin health. So it doesn't torch your skin. So one of the dumbest things that I know grapplers have done, they get some sort of an infection. And then what they do is they wash themselves with antibiotic soap.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, you are just torching all of the healthy bacteria around your skin. And you're just putting poison all over your skin, which is an organ. It's a fucking terrible move.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  And that, when that, when guys do that, I've seen it spread. I've seen them get like ringworm that spreads all over their chest. It's fucking horrible.

• 2:10:40Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, if you think about how many people have peanut allergies now versus what we grew up with? Because I've never heard of anyone being allergic to peanut butter when I was a kid.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  No, I never heard about it either.

• 2:10:54Speaker 01

  And now 30% of kids are like allergic to peanuts. And it's because they're not exposing them to it. It's because we're removing the peanuts from the house and the airplanes and everything else. They need to be exposed as infants. And now the studies are coming out, which is they need exposure to peanuts, not removal.

• 2:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:14Speaker 01

  Of peanuts. One of the funniest.

• 2:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Kind of nuts that peanuts became toxic. I mean, if you want to show an example of how kooky we've made the world. We, peanuts used to be everywhere.

• 2:11:25Speaker 01

  It's funny that peanut butter is like the only universal food when you're trying to trap any critter. Like you just go, we got a raccoon in our backyard. Get some peanut butter. And put it, we got a rat, we got a mouse, whatever, a lizard. You just go, get some peanut butter. And now humans are the only creatures that can't eat peanut butter. The animal kingdom. You can catch a buffalo with peanut butter. Every animal on the planet agrees on peanut butter, but we're removing it from the classroom.

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny, and it's so true. Remember they used to hand out peanuts in airplanes and they stopped doing it because people got so bad with peanut allergies that the peanut dust was dangerous.

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  Right, and so what is going on in the last 20 minutes? It's not like human physiology has changed that much in the last 40 years that everyone is allergic to peanuts. Like you are removing them, we're not building a tolerance to anything. Our systems are weakened because you've sterilized everything in our world. Everything is sterilized now, and now we're vulnerable because we didn't build up any immunity to anything. But I really don't, I, I do, like when you go to space, they got a big problem, no gravity.

• 2:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:49Speaker 01

  And their bodies wither.

• 2:12:51Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:12:52Speaker 01

  And they need to figure out, like, like, they agree, you need gravity. You need gravity in the world of ideas and you need gravity in the world of your microbiome and your gut. Like, we just, as human beings, we just need gravity everywhere.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, you need some kind of resistance.

• 2:13:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need somebody pushing against weights, like, you need gravity for your quads and you need them for your ideas and you need them for your immune system.

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's the problem with dumb people, maybe they're just out of shape, just brain wise. Like they've had, they've never, they're just like a couch potato for the brain, they just never tried to get it moving. Maybe it's not even that they're that dumb, that they just have the dumb patterns. Well, I mean, obviously I don't think everyone's a blank slate, I think some people definitely have intellectual advantages at a young age. But I, I think, you know, the, the amount of people that just kind of give up and never put forth any effort at all, it's a lot, man, it's a lot.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's, you know, I think a lot of it is, because I grew up in a real downtrodden environment, and you just kind of get broken.

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:01Speaker 01

  Just like, like, I could remember sitting around watching TV, and it's like, "The Brady Bunch are going to Hawaii." And I'd go like, "Who goes to Hawaii? How do you even go to Hawaii? Like, how would you get to Hawaii?

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:13Speaker 01

  Who has..." And then they check into the hotel, and it pulls a credit card out, like, "Who's got a credit card? How would you do this?" Like, that's for other people.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:22Speaker 01

  Like, that's, that's how you would look, almost every commercial, where you'd see somebody successful, or a sitcom, or something like that, I would just go, "Well, that's for other people, that's not for us."

• 2:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:34Speaker 01

  And so, you get really, like, broken, and then you just kind of buy in, and then you go, "Well, this is my lot in life, that's for, like, other people."

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:14:45Speaker 01

  And, and, and it's, it's, it's, it like infects you, and it infects whole communities. You know what I mean? And they just go, "There's nothing better." Like, it, it's not that we don't know there's credit cards, and big homes, and nice cars, like, I knew about all of it, but it wasn't for me, or it wasn't for my family, and it wasn't for my friends. And you just buy into a system where you go, "Well, this is it."

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  And you do it early, and it's stifling, I think, it's...

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  And it's very difficult to break out unless you find a thing that you do, maybe a sport, where you travel and go to different places and meet different people, something. It has to be something. You get involved in something where you tap into a community of people that think differently. You, you start a band, you know, whatever it is. Find a, if you find a thing where there's a bunch of sort of forward-minded people that are, you know, optimistic, and have a good work ethic that's contagious, but if you're just stuck in your neighborhood with the same people and the same family members that have, that are real negative, it's, it's a giant problem, because they program you, whether you realize it or not, as much as you want to pretend you're wholly and entirely independent, no one is.

• 2:15:59Joe Rogan?

  Everyone is at least partially dependent upon the people they surround themselves with, and the energy of the people they surround themselves with.

• 2:16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  It's hard.

• 2:16:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember, I said to my mom when I was like, eight, I was like, "Why don't you get a job?"

• 2:16:14Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  Because if you get a job, then maybe we could go to Hawaii with the Brady's. We could have a decent car, like a something, we could have stuff. Because I wasn't really thinking about, you know, it's an interesting thing. My whole life, no one ever said the word career. They said job. You gotta get a job. Yeah. They didn't go career. Yeah. They go like, what do you want to do? What are you good at? They didn't think in terms of career. This is, you get a job, it sucks, but you got the weekends, you know? But I said to my mom, I go, why don't you get a job? And she goes, I get a job, I'll lose my welfare.

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, I guess that, yeah, that makes sense. Like, that's, I was eight, you know? I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. And then I realized the fact that it made sense to me means I was being sort of indoctrinated. Yeah. Into that system. It's beneficial for really poor people. It's also a trap. Oh, it's, it's a, free stuff is a kill the cage, man. It is, it is bad. We had a free house and welfare and it was stifling. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it was, you're so, like, like, sometimes people go like, why'd you get into comedy? And I'm like, I wanted some air conditioning, man.

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  Really? And I go, yeah, it was miserable. Like, it was sucked. I drove a truck. It didn't have air conditioning. I lived in a crappy apartment, didn't have air conditioning. I went to a job site and there was no air. And I was in the San Fernando Valley. Oh, my god. You know, so I did it because I wanted air conditioning, but I had to be miserable. Like, I was, I, I, I had discomfort. I was not comfortable. I didn't have air. And I wanted air. And so I, I knew to get air, I had to get paid. And so I was, I was like motivated to do stuff. And when you're kind of comfortable, you're not really that motivated. Right. And I realized, like,

• 2:18:13Speaker 01

  When you were young, when I was young, like, we were, like, I was probably confused, but I was hungry. I was like, I wanna get something done. Like, I wanna do something. I wanna do something. And I, I would talk to people, like, young dudes, you know, who worked for me or whatever. And I wasn't trying to insult them, but I was kinda curious. I'd be like, "You're a thirty-year-old dude, and you're just not getting it done." Like, you're, I wouldn't say it to them, but I'd be like, "What, what are you into?" You know? And I realized that there was no fire in the belly. You know what I mean? Like, when you came up, when you were younger, like, when I met Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy was like twenty-six when I met him, and he was like, he was on it.

• 2:18:54Speaker 01

  He had a motor. Like, he wanted to do something. And I was like, "Good, I wanna do something too. We'll do it together." You know, there's like a fire. And I start talking to all these young dudes, and I'm like, "What's up?" You know, they're like, "Nah." And I go, "What's the deal?" So, you got a car, and it's got air conditioning, and it runs, and you're not really a car guy. Like, I'm a car guy. But when you're poor and you're a car guy, it's super frustrating, right? Cause you want something cool. Like, I wanted a cool car, but I had to drive a truck with a lumber rack and a bed box on it, because I'm a carpenter. And I can't have a sports car, cause you can't put plywood in a sports car, you know? So, I would talk to these young guys, and I'd go, "You a car guy?" And they'd go, "Nah, I'm really like..."

• 2:19:37Speaker 01

  I'd go, "What do you like?" "Yeah, video games, edibles. I like pot, video games, and watching stuff on Netflix." And I go, "You got a big TV?" They'd go, "Yeah, I got a seventy-inch TV. I got a Mini Cooper, automatic with air, and I like to eat pot." You know, and I'd be like, "You have air conditioning?" They'd be like, "Yeah." I'd be like, "Oh, you don't want anything." They don't want anything. You don't want anything. Like, I wanted cool cars. With air conditioning in them. And so I was motivated to do stuff.

• 2:20:09Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that some people are just internally motivated anyway? Because they become curious about something and they really want to get good at it?

• 2:20:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:16Joe Rogan?

  That's an inherent part of being a person?

• 2:20:18Speaker 01

  I, I do. And one of the more, one of the most interesting things, and I don't know why, it just stuck with me from years ago. But I was watching one of those like 2020 shows or 48 Hours or something like that. And they were showing guys who trained dogs, like dogs who, who sniffed out gunpowder at the airport or contraband or whatever, you know? And I was looking at this thing and I was thinking to myself, I was like, every time there's a dog that does something, sniffs out drugs or explosives or whatever, they're all different breeds of dogs.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:56Speaker 01

  And I was like, why are they all different breeds of dogs? Like, why isn't there like one dog that does all, is super good at gunpowder and cocaine and whatever? And in the show, they go, well, we just go down to the pound. We get any dog and then we can train them. And, and, and the guy goes, well, how do you know what dog to get? And they go, the enthusiastic dog. Like you go to the pound, some dog's just sleeping. You walk in, it doesn't lift its head. The other dog's jumping up and down, doing backflips. And they go, we'll get that dog. Cause that dog's enthusiastic. Now, he doesn't know anything about gunpowder or cocaine, but he's got a motor and we're gonna teach him.

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:21:39Speaker 01

  And I started thinking, oh, I know a lot of people that are like tired pound dogs.

• 2:21:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:21:45Speaker 01

  And then I know a lot of people that are yappy pound dogs. And once you take the yappy pound dog, like Joe Rogan, you go, we'll go ahead and get into bow hunting. And you go, what does he know about bowing? He's like, nothing, but he's gonna find out. And he's gonna learn, and he's gonna practice, cuz he's got a motor.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:06Speaker 01

  And there's a lot of people, I know they're just kinda flatliners, and they don't have that motor. And if you have the motor, you'll be fine.

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, part of the motor is your physical body. And that's something that a lot of like, self-professed intellectuals like to ignore. The amount of energy that you have to think about things is dependent upon the amount of energy your whole system has. A giant part of your system is your body. And it's not just a vanity thing. It's a function of, if it works better, you think better. Everything works, I see it on a day-to-day basis. If I have a day where I do not work out, my brain, I don't think as quickly, it doesn't work as well, I'm more irritable, maybe I don't react the same way that I would if I was more calm and relaxed after a workout.

• 2:22:58Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of things going on where it balances out your mind and your ability to think. It alleviates anxiety, lets you think more clearly. And one of the things that writers like to say, it's one of the, and I was actually just talking to someone about this yesterday, a comic does this. After you write, to go for a walk. Go for a walk and get your blood pumping. And when you go for a walk, sometimes when you're thinking about those ideas, new ideas will just pop into your head, because it's like, the seeds are already planted, now go for a walk, you're watering them. Like, it's, the whole system works together. And if you wanna have energy, if you wanna have a motor, well, the best way to have a motor is have a physical body that works well. If your physical body doesn't work well, you're gonna, you're tired all the fucking time.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  And you could say, it's, oh, I'm getting older, I'm getting this, like, a lot of it is just ignoring your physical body for too long, and it atrophies, just like your body, you know, everything needs gravity. Well, you need fucking gravity. You need weights, you need to pick things up and move them around. Cuz if you don't, you can't pick things up and move them around, because your body thinks you never have to do that.

• 2:24:02Speaker 01

  I agree. And I also would add, you need curiosity.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:24:08Speaker 01

  You're a curious person, and all the curious people I know...

• 2:24:13Speaker 01

  Are doing just fine. And then there's people I know, they're just not curious. And that's a weird gift, I guess. It's, I don't know how to make someone curious. I, I think as a comedian, you're, it's, you're sort of curious, you know? And I could remember, even when I was young, I'd go, what's the difference between, you know, why they call it a sofa or a couch? What's the difference between a sofa and a couch? Or curtains and drapes? Is there a difference? Or we just have a different? And every one of my friends would go, I don't know, shut up. Who cares? You know what I mean? And I realized, they weren't curious about stuff. Right, right, right. I was constantly being curious.

• 2:24:54Speaker 01

  And by the way, your curiosity is annoying to uncurious people. Mm-hmm. Which happens a lot. Oh, yeah. And, but if you're curious, it's almost, it's like what you're saying about your physicality. Like, it'll, it'll feed you. Yes. You, most, everything you know is started in curiosity. And wanting to know about this stuff, you know? And for other people, and many people, they lack a curiosity. Do you think that's inherent? Or do you think that is how they grew up? I, I'm starting to think of nature more than nurture.

• 2:25:37Speaker 01

  Like, I used to be more nurture than nature. I have twins. And I have boy-girl twins. And they're totally different. And, and one of them is that pound dog jumping up and down. And the other's just sort of, uh, chillax, you know? And I didn't make them one way or the other. They got raised, they got fed the same thing. They went to the same schools, they breathed the same air. You know what I mean? Like, they just sort of were who they, who they are. Yeah. And I think you can take something, like, like a motor, that's like, a little too much, and, and guide it, and sort of nurture it, and figure out an outlet for it, you know, like a sport.

• 2:26:23Speaker 01

  Or something and there's things you can do. But like my sister's totally different than I am. And I didn't get this way or that way. My parents didn't instill anything in me. I didn't. Didn't guide me. I didn't have conversations with them about things. I wasn't exposed to anything. I was just kinda who I was.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, it makes sense that we see it in nature, right? We see it in animals for sure. Like there's a golden retriever. That's what I have. And then there's a Belgian Malinois. They're two very different dogs. One of them is a great family pet and one of them is a meat missile.

• 2:26:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  And that's just how they come out of the box.

• 2:27:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  And the idea that that wouldn't be the case with humans is kind of ridiculous.

• 2:27:04Speaker 01

  Uh, well, yes, why should we? And I know we do it because we're sort of narcissistic and we have to claim. Some dominion over things. Like it's kind of religion. You know what I mean? Like where we had to create it to go, well. Grandpa's in a better place now and he's been reunited with his old golden retriever. Who died eight years earlier. And we're just kinda constructing a thing because we need some control. Like we need to feel like not having control. Is really threatening to a lot of people. I don't have that problem. Like I don't mind not having control. I don't, I realized.

• 2:27:46Speaker 01

  I realized when I'm racing a car and the car goes out of control, which has happened a few times. I sort of just relax. I don't try to grab and over correct and because you'll get in more trouble. Like there's a. A version of this for sports. There's a version for life. There's a version for relationships. There's a version for driving. Race cars, but to sort of relax, like if you can, you can see film of me. Spinning a 935 backwards in a race in the middle of the race and you can see me. I'm not doing anything. Like I will. Relax in that environment, but there. People need control. I mean, sort of religious control or like here's the re- here's the way.

• 2:28:30Speaker 01

  I control my kid. I get him violin lessons and then I take him to the French tutor and then I take him. To this camp and space camp and that camp, you know, and they're, they're, they're trying to do something. You have to just kinda admit, they kinda are who they are. You can't really control it. You can fuck them up. You can molest them. And get them, you know, hooked on Vicodin or something when they're 14, but. Basically, you're there to be there and not fuck them up and to offer. Things and try to go, you know, if you see your kid banging on pots and pans. All day, you go, somebody needs a drum kit.

• 2:29:12Speaker 01

  Cause I think this is what, I think this is what your thing is, you know what I mean? And somebody. Probably should have got ahold of me and went, seems like comedy, maybe something you'd like not. Swinging a hammer. But I figured it out because it was there.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, nobody could ever really give you that advice, honestly. Uh, because the, the problem is most people that aren't involved in it don't even know where to start, how you would do it, how difficult it would be. How long the process is, what is it like to actually put together an act?

• 2:29:41Speaker 01

  No, I don't, I don't, I, I don't think. Your mom or your dad can craft a good, tight 20 minute set for you.

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  No, but I'm saying they would never encourage you to do it. It's very few parents would encourage their kid to take such a risky approach to life.

• 2:29:56Speaker 01

  No, I agree. I think there's a middle ground where they go. You seem to like to talk, or you seem to like ideas, or you seem to be sort of creative, so.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  Ideally, right? But it depends on the family. Maybe there's, it's a family that doesn't encourage creativity. Maybe the dad's in finance, maybe the mom is, you know, who knows? But maybe they're just not into risk at all and they just want you to go to school and get a degree and you're just annoying and then they go. Maybe we should take him to a doctor.

• 2:30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, get him some Adderall.

• 2:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Get him some something. He can't concentrate.

• 2:30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, no, I agree. I think, I think as a parent. You're supposed to observe. And you're supposed to look and, and the kid will guide you. They'll, they'll have a propensity. They'll, they'll bang on pots and pans. So they'll, they'll like sports or the, whatever it is. And then your job is to sort of. Go that way and help facilitate. That, you know, and, and conversely, like, I grew up, I started playing Pop Warner football when I was seven. Like, I played tackle football when I was seven, and I played my whole life, or my whole, you know, until I was, you know, nineteen or something.

• 2:31:06Speaker 01

  And I always was like, every good lesson I ever got was on that football field, man. Like, everything I learned, all my, whatever success I have, I owe it to that. Because I got intestinal fortitude, I learned a lot of tough lessons, and how I use that. And so, like, I, I was like, if my son is gonna play football, because he's gonna learn all those valuable lessons I've learned. My son didn't play any football, didn't really like it, and it wasn't his thing. And I didn't force him into it at all. I was just like, all the stuff that I was into, football, cars, wrenching on cars, race cars, you know, that kinda stuff,

• 2:31:45Speaker 01

  swinging a hammer, building, architecture, my son's not down with any of it. And I'm like, fine, but you gotta find your own thing. But I'm not gonna try to stuff you into this thing that's gonna make you resent me later.

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not a good move. But a lot of parents fall down that trap, that's for sure. Yeah, it's just, I mean, if you have a child that wants to be a comedian, it's probably a fucking terrible feeling, like, oh my god. Like, what is he trying to do? Like, how do you even start? What do you do? Like, you get a degree, go get a degree, you're gonna get a job. You're gonna work in a respectable position somewhere.

• 2:32:21Speaker 01

  Tried to talk, see, my thing was, no one ever tried to talk me out of anything, because they weren't trying to talk me into something either. You know, it's like, Adam, you're gonna be a physician. There was like, the thing was, you gotta leave and get a job. And then we're done. So I never had anyone say it was a harebrained idea, or it's not gonna work, because they didn't care enough to get that involved. It's not like I was gonna go into my dad's unfinished furniture business and open that empire. And I don't imagine you got a lot of that either, did you?

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no, but that's the good thing. I, I got to figure it out on my own.

• 2:32:59Speaker 01

  Well, you know, the, the thing that's kinda cool about where you landed is it's organic in the sense that, like, I ran into someone who I went to high school with, and I, and I, like, asked him what he's doing. And he's doing fine. He goes, I do outdoor signage. I do big vinyl signs. When the Oscars come to town, we print the signs that hang to whatever. And it's his business. It's his dad's business. It's their family business. And I thought, nobody, when they're 15, says, I'm gonna make vinyl signage. They wanna be an astronaut, or baseball player, or comedian, or whatever. But you're doing it. But is this really where you belong? Or is it just because your dad

• 2:33:44Speaker 01

  did it, and it's lucrative, and whatever? And the thing that I'm happy about, at least as it pertains to stand-up, or comedy, or whatever, cars, or whatever I'm into, it's all organic. There's no dad was a comedian, or dad raced cars, or dad had-

• 2:34:05Joe Rogan?

  You're just into cars because you're into cars. You're into doing a podcast because you enjoy it. Yeah.

• 2:34:09Speaker 01

  Right. So you know you're where you should be, because you didn't get sort of artificially coaxed, or pushed into something, where it's just kinda like, yeah, I'm a doctor, because my dad is a doctor, or lawyer, like whatever that thing is. Like, you can own it 100%.

• 2:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:28Speaker 01

  And I think it's fine if your dad's a lawyer, and you become a lawyer, and you take over his practice one day. Like, that's good, that's successful, you're paying taxes, good. But I don't know, can you ever 100% really own it? Like, you can own-

• 2:34:42Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you couldn't, or I couldn't, but maybe for some people, that's fine. You know, I don't, I don't wanna set-

• 2:34:48Speaker 01

  No, it's definitely, it's definitely fine, and I don't even know if they think about it.

• 2:34:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, I know you would. But the thing is, like, you have the very fortunate situation that I have, which is, we are our own boss. And when you are your own boss, it's infinitely easier. You're responsible for all the stuff you do. You know what to do. No one's telling you what to do, or how to do it. No one's telling you what to say. You say what you wanna say. And that's very rare. It's very rare, and very fortunate.

• 2:35:18Speaker 01

  And it also is freeing, because, like the aforementioned CNN, Sanjay Gupta, whatever, you're in an apparatus.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:29Speaker 01

  And it's an apparatus where I don't think people are actually explicitly told, lie. You know, here's what we're saying. But it's sort of like- If you worked at a, at a big company and the president was vegan and you started showing up with a ham sandwich for lunch and someone's like, "I don't think you should eat that in front of Gary." And you're like, "He's vegan." "Yeah, okay. Well, he doesn't appreciate." You'd go, "Oh, okay." And you would start getting the idea that this wasn't a great plan. You know what I mean? And so would everyone who worked at that place, right?

• 2:36:11Speaker 01

  And then eventually you'd go, "What's for lunch?" And they'd go, "The veggie lover sub." And you'd go, "Well, what about the roast beef?" And someone goes, "Listen, man. I'm not telling you you can't eat it. I'm saying it's probably a good idea if you'd like to grow with this company to just eat the fucking veggie sub, would you? Especially if Gary comes down here." And so it's not like anyone, it's not like the boss showed up and went, "You can't eat chicken anymore." It's understood what's going on around there. And if you're working for CNN and you just walk in and you go, "Hey, listen, I, you know, I don't agree with Trump about everything, but I think he's right about this ivermectin thing." People start looking at you sideways and you'd get the idea that maybe you weren't

• 2:36:55Speaker 01

  long for that job. And that's what you gotta deal with in any environment, you know? And the thing that's nice about creating your own environment is back to being organic. It's what you believe. I mean, it, it may not be 100% accurate. It may not be right all the time, but it is authentic.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  But how crazy is it that authentic is rare? Like that we've made it all the way to 2025 with all the communication we have with the internet and authentic is still rare. That's really weird. It's so easy to do.

• 2:37:29Speaker 01

  I think we're so...

• 2:37:33Speaker 01

  obsessed with not being cast out. You know, being cast out is like a major human thing, you know, and I've I've realized like, I remember, I don't, I always bring it up on my podcast, I don't know why, but I was in Maui. And with the Brady family, I was in Maui, you know, it's 10 years ago. And I was sitting at a table having brunch with like, a bunch of nice people we traveled to Maui with, you know, the couples and the kids and go to the resort and it's the dads and the moms and there's like 10 adults and everyone brings their kids and all that. And we're sitting having brunch, we're like enjoying ourselves and

• 2:38:16Speaker 01

  somehow someone fired up a leaf blower in the back, you know, some gardener up to the side and it's like, ah, goddamn leaf blower can't enjoy our conversations, too loud or whatever. And I said to the table, I go, you know, leaf blowers are illegal in Los Angeles. They basically criminalized leaf blowers in like 96 or 97 or something, but it's not enforced at all. And everyone's like, they're illegal? And I'm like, yeah, the gas powered ones are illegal and they're like, these guys up and down my street all day with these things. I go, yeah, they go, why don't they enforce them? I go, well, because it's all Mexicans who make their living with the leaf blower.

• 2:38:55Speaker 01

  And the city council doesn't like the optics of coming down on the poor Mexican gardeners who use their leaf blower. So it's really illegal, but the Mexicans use it and they turn the other way. They turn, they look the other way because they don't like the app. And everyone looked at me and went like, that, that sounds kind of racist or something. I was like, I go, no, it's just what happened. And they're like, I don't agree. You're saying Mexicans shouldn't be, whatever. And the whole table like turned on me. And I realized, wait a minute, none of you assholes know anything about this subject. I know, because I read an article on it. There was literally, like, the Million Man Mexican March, they went down to City Hall,

• 2:39:36Speaker 01

  they brought their leaf blowers, and the Lily White City Council was like, we don't like the optics of busting poor, hard-working Mexican gardeners. I remember all this. Right. Because Brian Holtzman had a bit about it. I was telling the table about, I wish he was with me in Maui, he could have defended me, but I was sitting there, and I realized that the whole table was turning on me, because they were like, kind of, white liberal folks, they're my friends. Were they turning on you? And they were turning on me, and I realized, I go, listen, maybe you don't like it, maybe it sounds racist, I don't know what you think, I'm just telling you, leaf blowers are illegal, but they're used all day, every day, because the city won't enforce

• 2:40:18Speaker 01

  the law, because they don't like the optics of it, and everyone's like, having problems with me, and then I realized, I ruined brunch. I ruined brunch, but I was like, I'm not, well, listen assholes, I'm not backing down, just, I'm not apologizing, I know all this stuff, what do you want me to say? Sorry you don't like it, but what I realized is, half the people at the table were just going along with the other half, they didn't know anything. They didn't know anything about leaf blowers, or laws, or city council, they just realized that I was the one being thrown out of the tribe, and they wanted to stay in the tribe. So everyone took a subject they didn't know shit about, and turned on the guy who knew something about it, and said he was bad and should go out to the cornfield, because

• 2:41:03Speaker 01

  they were all, and this is socially, it's like, no one was gonna lose their job, they were just eating brunch, but it all kicked in, and I could see, like, the wives, who had no thoughts about leaf blowers, like, going, yeah, man, I don't agree, and their chairs were, like, scooching away from me and stuff, and I thought, oh, I'm being thrown out of the tribe, and that's when I realized, that was just about leaf blowers, and those were my friends, now we go to COVID. And it's a real deal. Now, that feeling of not wanting to be excommunicated from the tribe.

• 2:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:41:37Speaker 01

  And it's so easy to get everyone to go along with everything because we have that innate, baked in, human quality of not wanting to be ostracized and pushed out of the tribe. And I also started to realize that you're good at what you do. And so you can say and do what you want. Most people are mediocre at what they do. And they can't afford to be unpopular. And this is something I, I sort of, I was talking to Greg Gutfeld about it some years ago.

• 2:42:19Speaker 01

  I was just doing a podcast with him and I was interviewing him and it started kind of dawn on me that like, when you're really good, and you could be a really good carpenter, like if you're a really master carpenter, you're never out of work. No one gives a shit what your thoughts are about politics or COVID. You walk around with a MAGA hat on, it doesn't matter. We need you. Like you're good. You're skilled. And when you're really good at comedy, or you're good at whatever, you cannot be thrown out. You can't be squashed, you can't be silenced, but you gotta be good. If you're sort of in the middle, and most people are in the middle, it's a little bit of a popularity contest. Like you gotta, you better eat vegan.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  You better say the right things.

• 2:43:02Speaker 01

  And you better say the right things.

• 2:43:04Joe Rogan?

  You better put that black square on your Twitter.

• 2:43:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  Or on your Instagram.

• 2:43:07Speaker 01

  Which I did not do. But they told me, you gotta do it. And I was like, I'm not doing it.

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  It was so nuts. I was watching people do it.

• 2:43:16Speaker 01

  But you're good.

• 2:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:18Speaker 01

  I think we're out of coffee. Oh, that's all right.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  It might be a little bit.

• 2:43:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's all right. I love coffee. Oh, there's plenty in there.

• 2:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is a thing that a lot of people lack in this life.

• 2:43:28Speaker 01

  Well, it's, the problem is, is like...

• 2:43:32Speaker 01

  If you think you're good and you're not good, you get smacked down, like you get into trouble, right? So if you're not that good and you go, "Screw this, I'm not working for CNN anymore, I'm gonna go do my own podcast," and you're not that good, then you're in trouble, right? And if you go, "I'm gonna blow this taco stand and get out of this business, I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna open a restaurant," but you're not that good, you'll get into trouble. And most people are sort of living in the middle and kind of fearful. But if you're good and you kind of own it and you're calibrated and you know you're good, then you can kind of say what you want and you can kind of do what you want, but

• 2:44:16Speaker 01

  you, you have to be good. And like all the people that were sort of in mainstream media that like broke out and started doing their own thing were good. I mean, they, they thought they were good and they thought they were good enough. When you're in the middle, it's vulnerable.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:34Speaker 01

  You gotta kind of watch yourself and mind your Ps and Qs.

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  It's also that thing that you were talking about at the dinner table, where all those other people who didn't know anything about it were signaling to the tribe that they were, you know, that they didn't want to get cast, cast out.

• 2:44:49Speaker 01

  Right, you're one of the good ones.

• 2:44:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. There's so many cowards that do that. There's so many people that are just terrified and they've, don't encounter a lot of difficulty in their life, a lot of like real anxiety inducing difficulty. And so when something does come up that's like that, they just fold. They just want to be comfortable again, like, "What do I have to do?"

• 2:45:11Speaker 01

  It's so sad and it's also people, people in dignity, like dignity and character, like character used to be something we talked about. We don't really talk about character anymore. And it's also, people, like their resting state of a lot of people is weak and kind of like a little disappointing. And it's, it's, it's like, I think guys that are, have like high character people and also stoic type people are kind of really always disappointed by people. Like, like you're probably a pretty stoic guy and you see how people act and you go,

• 2:45:56Speaker 01

  "Oh." Like- Like it's sad, you know what I mean? Like, like, and it, it, it's sort of, I don't know why, but it reminded me, but when I lived in Santa Monica, a million years ago, somebody got their purse stolen out on the street at night. I was this poor guy, living in a rent control apartment, swinging a hammer, you know, driving a Zuzu trooper. And I was coming home at night, it was like nine o'clock at night, I was just with groceries. And I walked up to my apartment, and I heard a woman screaming out in the street, "He's got my purse, like help!", like just out in the street, I couldn't really see it from where I was. So I just ran out there, because a woman was screaming, and I got there, and she's, "The guy stole my purse,

• 2:46:41Speaker 01

  guy, he's got my stuff!", you know, and I just started chasing the guy, just sort of instinctively. I didn't really think about it, I was just chasing him. And, and also, like, I was like, well, I box, I play football, like, I felt good, I was in good shape, I didn't care, I didn't have much to lose, I didn't have anything. So I just started chasing him, and, and a guy was trying to pick him up in a car, because they had like a wheel guy, and, but I was too close to the guy, and he couldn't get in the car. I chased him like a couple of blocks, and eventually he just threw the briefcase of the purse, he just threw it, and he kept running. And when he threw everything down, I just stopped, it was all scattered around the sidewalk. And I stopped, and I started, like, put it back together, and I was like, "I, I'm not gonna chase the guy",

• 2:47:22Speaker 01

  he dropped all his stuff. And then the woman showed up, and she, you know, started getting her stuff together. And at some point, the neighbor started filing out, onto the street, and a crowd kind of gathered up. And then a cop pulled up, at a certain point, and, and the cop was like, "What went on here? What happened?". And I remember, the neighbors, they go, "Well, we heard this woman screaming, so we all ran out and chased the guy", and I was like, "None of you ran out and chased anybody". I ran out and chased a guy. He dropped the stuff. And then 10 minutes later, you guys all came out in your bathrobes. But you didn't chase anybody.

• 2:48:07Speaker 01

  But then I realized that's what they want. They wanted to be that person. But they weren't that person. So they created this scenario where they were that person. And I listened to them all like talk to the cops and I've just stood there. I didn't say anything. I wanted to hear what they had to say. And they all told the same story like when I heard a woman screaming. I snapped into action and ran out, you know, it's like none of you did any of this because I was there. And I realized, oh, people have a real. They have a version of themselves that's in their head. And then there's the version of them that's kind of a lazy coward. And they're busy watching that film footage of the hero stuff.

• 2:48:52Speaker 01

  And nobody thinks, like no one during COVID said. I'm bad and I'm weak and I'm dumb and that's why I made fun of Joe Rogan or whatever. They just go, I was trying to do the right thing, trying to save people. We didn't know. You know, there's always this sort of heroes reel that's running in their head. It's not the real one. It's not the one you know. It's not the weak cowardly one. It's the stoic, strong one. It's the one that heard a damsel in distress and snapped into action. Damn the torpedoes. I came running outside to find this guy and chased him. That's what's in your head. The reality is you were looking out the window and you were scared.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And most people don't really have any moments like that in their life. Where they can go, oh, remember that time that guy had the purse and he ran down the street and we tackled him? Let's do that again. It's happening now. Like most people, that's never going to happen.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  No, I.

• 2:49:48Joe Rogan?

  In your safe little life.

• 2:49:51Speaker 01

  Yes, but fear is a crusher.

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:55Speaker 01

  Man, I mean, a little bit of fear goes a long way.

• 2:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And especially with men, the desire to inflate their participation in any heroic act.

• 2:50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Men love to pretend they're something they're not. It's amazing.

• 2:50:13Speaker 01

  It's sad, Joe.

• 2:50:14Joe Rogan?

  It, well, it definitely is, but it's also a symptom of a lack of being tested. You know, um, the people, all the people that I know that, uh, like I always say this about MMA fighters. They're like the nicest people you're ever gonna run into.

• 2:50:25Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Cause they don't, they don't have to test themselves with you. They've been tested constantly.

• 2:50:30Speaker 01

  No, there, there's something about the boxer and the fighter and the, those guys that are like so secure in their version or vision of themselves that they're never overcompensating with a bunch of other horseshit. And I, I sort of always liked those guys and, and I've always found it to be that way. Like being in boxing gyms and stuff, like the movie version of the boxing gym is, hey, tough guy. You know, whatever. The reality is people are like, I could remember like back in the day, like, like the bell, you know, cause you're on a bell. And, you know, the whole gym was on a bell, right?

• 2:51:13Speaker 01

  Like three minutes and then one minute off or whatever. And like, and sometimes you'd go walking up to a heavy bag cause you didn't think the guy was on it. And then some huge dude would come up and go, oh, I'm sorry, I was working on that bag. And I go, oh, okay. And he'd go, sorry, you can get in. And like, it wasn't like, hey, bro, you know, there wasn't any of that. It was always really, they all seemed like secure and kinda calm. I mean, it was sort of like a big dog versus a yappy little dog. You know what I mean? The big dog sort of knows and, and I appreciate it and I, I like that. And I definitely like those guys and, and I, I see why you like, you like those kinds of guys. Cause they're just more attractive. Like they're just better.

• 2:51:58Speaker 01

  And I was gonna tell you that. You know, and people like, there's so many weird, soft, sort of dudes like transitioning and all that shit. And then there's these sort of carnivore meat lovers, MMA guys going on. And I was, someone, it was Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew always says to me, where are we going? What's going on? Where are we heading as a society? When are we gonna fix this, essentially? And I just said, safe spaces and octagons. He's like, what do you mean? I go, the fucking safe space people are gonna go further that way. And then there's a group of people that are moving to Florida and moving to Texas, and they're going the other direction. Like

• 2:52:42Speaker 01

  in LA, when they started pushing electric cars, I started seeing tons of Ram duly pickup trucks popping up. Like, every, for every one person you push into an electric car or Prius, another dude buys a Ram and puts a gun rack on it. Like, like, that's what we're doing. And I don't know how it's gonna end, but I can tell you, we're just going safe spaces and octagons. It's gonna be move out to Texas and practice MMA with Joe Rogan, or it's gonna be move to Seattle and get your dick cut off. And there'll be nothing in between.

• 2:53:20Joe Rogan?

  That's the ultimate civil war?

• 2:53:23Speaker 01

  Yes. And it's my conclusion that the safe spaces eventually are gonna have to come to the octagons and go, we need protection. Like, we need you.

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  It's a great way to look at the world right now. And it's a, it's certainly a symptom of going one way or the other. And it just, but I always wonder, is it the nature or the nurture thing? Like, is there something wrong with not just society, but also the environment, that we are creating more biological organisms that are susceptible to weakness? You know, like, not just physical weakness, but emotional and psychological weakness? Like, there's a thing that's going on that's on top of what's going on as far as culture and society, and that's like, microplastics in people's diets that are just destroying their endocrine systems. That's all, like, trackable.

• 2:54:13Speaker 01

  We all got, like, a spork in our brain worth of plastic right now.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  Dr. Shannon Swan has an amazing book about it. You should, y'all should read it, because it's terrifying.

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's a lot of- Practical, organic stuff like plastics and microplastics and stuff like that.

• 2:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Environmental toxins, what you were talking about before about living in cities.

• 2:54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Not being encountering nature.

• 2:54:35Speaker 01

  There's all of that, but there's also, why do you need to be able to fight anymore? You don't need it. You know what I mean? Like, like, we don't live, why do you need to be able to lift heavy things? You know what I mean? Like, hey, man, if you're a coal miner, or you work on a farm, and there's bales of hay, and you gotta chuck, you can't have a wimpy guy.

• 2:54:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:54:59Speaker 01

  Throwing bales of hay up on the loft, you know, but everything is computerized and air-conditioned, and you're in your cubicle, like, what do we need you for? You know, like, what's the necessity? Like, why wouldn't we get softer and weaker? We're not baling hay and throwing it up to the barn anymore. We're not mending the fences. Nobody's having to, you know, wrangle the steers, or, we don't, we don't have to make cabins. You don't have to chop a tree down and make a cabin anymore. You go to Ikea, and there's a cabin there you can buy, you know, made in China. Like, we're not, why wouldn't we go this way?

• 2:55:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's natural. It's a natural course of progression. Well, when you look at aliens, they're never jacked.

• 2:55:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  You never see a jacked alien. You see these, these aliens that have no muscle tone, they have no gender, and that's where we're headed.

• 2:55:46Speaker 01

  But that is a great name for an energy drink.

• 2:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Jacked Alien?

• 2:55:50Speaker 01

  Joe, if you threw your considerable weight behind my new product, Jacked Alien, Monster Red Bull, kiss my ass.

• 2:55:59Joe Rogan?

  We would kill it.

• 2:56:00Speaker 01

  Jacked Alien, we'd be sponsoring X Games, Fighters, it'd be in every ring, it'd be in every octagon.

• 2:56:08Joe Rogan?

  We might, we might hold this podcast for a couple of days and get a patent on Jacked Alien.

• 2:56:13Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Might have to.

• 2:56:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:17Speaker 01

  You're gonna be the face of Jacked Alien, by the way.

• 2:56:19Joe Rogan?

  It's where humanity seems to be heading, some sort of genderless direction. Where everyone's a giant egghead.

• 2:56:25Speaker 01

  Right, you don't need to fuck and you don't need to fight, so what do we, what do we, what do we need all this shit for?

• 2:56:31Joe Rogan?

  If the aliens aren't real, I think that's what the archi- there's a jacked alien website? What is it?

• 2:56:37Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Workout clothes.

• 2:56:38Speaker 01

  That's hilarious, that's so funny. And they make workout clothes? I'm suing the shit out of that company, man. That's my IP, man.

• 2:56:47Joe Rogan?

  Jacked Alien, that's hilarious. Well, we just gave him some press. Shout out to Jacked Alien, I hope he got cool shit. Um, but it's, we, when we think about what human beings are eventually gonna be, the alien archetype is what makes the most sense, right? Like, genderless, not using their mouth to talk anymore, giant fucking heads, no muscle at all.

• 2:57:09Speaker 01

  Why do you need big biceps to move a joystick or push a button?

• 2:57:13Joe Rogan?

  And the only reason why it's attractive, if you don't need it, is like a biological reproduction attractiveness, right? The hips of a girl, the waist, the beautiful symmetry of the face, all that stuff is just biological reinforcements to get you to breed with good genetic people, but if all that's out the window, and all breeding is done through some sort of a computer or something along those lines.

• 2:57:38Speaker 01

  But also, why do you need any of it if it's antiquated? You know what I mean? Like, if we're just a society of button pushers, why do you need that big V strapping dude with the big shoulders and stuff?

• 2:57:49Joe Rogan?

  It depends on what's going on in the, in the body. Like, are you the still, do you still have the same monkey body that you had 10,000 years ago? Cause if you do, you're gonna need to exercise just for sanity, and it'll, it'll help you to have all those things. And things like jujitsu, yeah, you probably don't need to use jujitsu ever in your life, if you're lucky. But it's a good thing to learn, cause it's really fucking hard to do.

• 2:58:12Speaker 01

  I agree, and I think doing things that are hard to do are good, and I think doing things that scare you are good.

• 2:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:20Speaker 01

  And I've had a bunch of situations in my life where people, like, people would say to me all the time, they go, "What made you decide to do Dancing with the Stars?" And I go, "I didn't decide to do it, I remember where I was, and my agent called and he said, 'They want you to do Dancing with the Stars.'" And soon as he said that, I felt that weird fear. Like, remember when you're in junior high?

• 2:58:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:46Speaker 01

  And they're like, "Johnny Finnegan wants to meet you by the tunnel after school."

• 2:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:58:51Speaker 01

  And you're like, you had that moment, remember that weird fear moment? And they said, "Do Dancing with the Stars," and I went, I felt that weird junior high, "He's gonna fight you after school," like that weird feeling of fear.

• 2:59:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:59:04Speaker 01

  Of making a fool of myself, you know? And I felt it, and I could've went, "Oh, that's lame," or "I wouldn't embarrass myself on that show," but I felt fear, and soon as I felt fear, I was like, "I'll do it." Because I realized that everything would be a lie. Like, I could go, "That's stupid," or "That's lame," or "I don't want to do that," but that wouldn't be the reason. The reason is, is I was scared.

• 2:59:30Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:59:30Speaker 01

  I felt scared. "I can't dance, I'm gonna humiliate myself." And you can get, like, most of the stuff I've done that has been good, I did a professional Trans Am car race once, and I was just like, someone said, "You want to do it?" And I was like, "I'll do it." But it's only because I was, like, I was scared, like, I was like, "What?"

• 2:59:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:54Speaker 01

  I felt this moment, I just went, "Fuck it, I'll do it." And too many people do way too much, like, "I don't know, I gotta talk to a bunch of people about it," or "That's not for me," or "Why should I?" But just start saying yes to stuff. You get a lot of experience out of that.

• 3:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Especially while you're young and you don't have any obligations. Because once those obligations saddle you down, you got a mortgage, and you got a family, and you got obligations and social commitments, you don't have that kind of ability. To just go fuck it.

• 3:00:23Speaker 01

  No, you're right. Like, my whole time I was a carpenter, I remember guys pulling up in new trucks, and I'm driving a piece of shit beater, and they're like, "Adam, why don't you go down to Galpin Ford and get yourself a new truck?" And I'm like, "'Cause then I'd have payments, and then I'd have insurance, and then I couldn't go to the Groundlings at night, and I could, I'd have to take care of that, and I couldn't work on this." And I felt the same way with kids, and the same way with everything. Like, I gotta get this going before I get weighed down with monthly payments and mortgages.

• 3:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:57Speaker 01

  Miles to feed.

• 3:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's a really important message to young people, because they think they're gonna be young forever. Like, boy, before you start a family, get something going. Just like, take your chances. Now, when you're young and free, it's like, God, it's an amazing opportunity. You know, the whole world is ahead of you. Things can change so quickly if you work hard, and you find a lane, and you really throw yourself into it. But if you don't, time goes by quick, and next thing you know, you're 30, next thing you know, you're 35, and like, "I'm gonna get it together this year," and you never do.

• 3:01:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta make hay while the sun shines.

• 3:01:35Joe Rogan?

  And with that, Adam Carolla, ladies and gentlemen.

• 3:01:38Speaker 01

  Thanks, Joe.

• 3:01:38Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, brother. It was fun. Let's do it again.

• 3:01:41Speaker 01

  Real soon.

• 3:01:41Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 3:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you go.

• 3:01:43Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.