#2413 - Theo Von

Theo Von is a comic and host of the podcast "This Past Weekend with Theo Von."www.theovon.comhttps://www.youtube.com/theovon Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. Join today at https://www.visible.com Visit https://blinds.com. 40% off your purchase with code ROGAN40 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Who, me?

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Sorry, I didn't know you were talking, talking to one of the-

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  There's only three of us sitting here.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know, dude.

• 0:23Joe Rogan?

  With the glasses, man, what's the new sophisticated look?

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got them.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  What's going on? I, I see, I see, got them.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're great, man. My buddy Joseph gave it, gave them to me. I got them from him.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they're popping. And they help, too.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 0:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Are you losing your vision?

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Hmm. I don't think so, but I think these just make it even better.

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let me see. Let me try them, see how bad your eyes are.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Try them on, big dog.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, barely.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  I could get them weighted, too, so you could do a neck workout with them on.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  Why would you do that? This is, uh, God, I can't, I can't tell the difference.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure these are real?

• 1:00Speaker 01

  I think they are.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't think these are real glasses, dog.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Let me see, try-

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they, Jamie, put these on. I don't, first of all, they're smeared as fuck.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, somehow they keep getting grease on them, dude. All I do-

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  You got greasy fucking fingers.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  You're not supposed to, look at you, you're rubbing your head, you're rubbing your greasy face.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  I don't even go in the kitchen.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  You don't need grease. You don't need to go in the kitchen for gre- barely tell the difference, right? It's doing something, but- Barely. Barely, this is psychological. It's like, it's, uh, if you're, it's, if you're 20, if you're not 2020, you're 2025. These are, these are psychological, dog.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  You really, you don't think they're good?

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no, that's what I'm saying. I mean, they're fine, but they're psy-

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  You look smarter. I look a little smarter, right? Like I've been reading too much.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42Joe Rogan?

  Um, they're, uh, I think it's a psychological thing.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it could be, I gotta re-

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  I think you believe that they make you see better. My vision's okay. It's not as good as it was when I was young.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  I gotta read the packaging again.

• 1:55Joe Rogan?

  But it's a lot better than it used to be. I started using a red light, a red light bed. Makes a giant difference, man.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  Huge difference. Yeah, I don't need reading glasses anymore. I needed reading glasses for a while, like look at my phone, like it was fine text.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't read it, I don't need it at all anymore.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  And that's because of the red light?

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, a hundred percent.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 2:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, red light therapy and certain vitamins, like lutein, there's a few different. There's a company called Pure Encapsulations. They make a formulation called macular support. And I, I take that stuff. But those two things, for sure, have had a, a big impact. I think it's the red light though, more than anything. That was the big, that's the big factor.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  I've been doing sauna and I've been getting in there. It feels good. I feel like a little dumpling when I get out of there.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's good.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it feels good, yeah.

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  Get that body all heated up and everything just kind of flows out of you. I saw a protocol of what you're supposed to do before you get in there and I've never done any of these things. But it's like, how much water are you supposed to drink before you go in?

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Fuck all that dude, I'm praying to it.

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  You're supposed to go, you're supposed to drink, uh, like a liter of water with electrolytes and some magnesium. I don't know, some guy made this, that's the problem, like everybody's an online guru.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, everybody, everything they watch, it's like they think you're trying to get in the Olympics. It's like, bitch, I'm just trying to fucking get to work. You know what I'm saying? Bitch, I'm just trying to fucking.

• 3:13Joe Rogan?

  I just wanna feel a little bit better.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm just trying to, just give me.

• 3:16Joe Rogan?

  Make it out of my garage. Give me an edge. Give me an edge on this cold, hard world.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the only thing, man.

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  That's all I'm looking for.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  But good to see you, dude.

• 3:25Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you always, my friend.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  I'm glad you're still alive.

• 3:28Joe Rogan?

  You too, I'm glad you're still alive too.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Amen.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  We've both been interviewing dangerous people.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Have we, you think?

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  You really have.

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  Who have I interviewed that you haven't?

• 3:40Speaker 01

  It's more dangerous. Ooh, I don't know, that's a good question. I mean, I did. I don't. Yeah, I don't think about people that's that dangerous. Maybe Thomas Massey.

• 3:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, did you have him on?

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they all hate him right now. It's a, this is a sad thing about both political parties, not just the right, but the left too. Is they decide that they're gonna gang up on someone for not toeing the line.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, like whatever happened to having different opinions? Whatever happened to having different perspectives and being able to argue your perspective? But then they have these goofy ass bills, which by the way, they just fucking, they slipped something into this last bill that Mitch McConnell guy did, I believe. Check, make sure that he did it, the hemp thing. They slipped this thing in where you can no longer buy CBD with like, it has to be like the lowest trace amount of THC in it. Which is for like, like my wife's mom, you know, she's an older lady and she takes CBD for pain, for joints and stuff like that.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Does she smoke it or she does the ointment?

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  No, she takes like, uh, oil, like CBD oil. Yeah, he's snuck it in there. That old fucking dead turtle. He's a leading proponent of closing a 2018 farm bill loophole, allowing intoxicating THC to be sold in low doses. See?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  But he's got a couple of fucking milligrams in his neck, look at that motherfucker.

• 5:07Joe Rogan?

  He's got something going on. They definitely got him medicated. There ain't no way that guy's sleeping without help. Everybody hates him.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  It looks like he hit a joint and it won't leave him alone.

• 5:16Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Go back up and show them.

• 5:17Joe Rogan?

  Like took an edible. He like Joey Diaz dosed him.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:22Joe Rogan?

  It looks like he's on the church. He's on the church of what's happening now and Joey Diaz.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Stay black, cocksucker.

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz and Lee are just staring at him. Ah, yeah, um, they gotta change that. That's uh, really bad.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Why is it bad? Because of what they?

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  Cause for people that are getting benefits from CBD, the, the THC along with the CBD, and by the way, we're talking super, super low amounts, but there's something about how CBD and THC work in a synergistic way for people that are in a lot of pain. Um, I know a lot of people, like I said, my wife's mom, she says the stuff with the THC in it works better. And it's not getting her high, like, this is the misunderstanding. This stuff's not gonna get you high. But it, what it will do is it helps with anxiety for a lot of people. It definitely reduces inflammation. And for people that have like joint pain, like my friend Dave Foley. Dave Foley from News Radio, Kids in the Hall, Dave Foley, awesome guy.

• 6:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Dave had like pretty severe arthritis in his hands, like where, you know, he was really having a hard time opening his hands. Started taking CBD oil.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Did he open a jar or anything like that? You think was it hard?

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  He was in pain, man. It was, it was bad. Um, but now it's gone. And it's gone because of CBD. It's really effective, man. It's really effective.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  And so what they're saying that they don't want you to, why, why are they doing that? Cause they wanna control it?

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  It's the alcohol lobby. It's the same people that are trying to keep, um, marijuana illegal in Texas. It's the alcohol lobby. This is the fact. The fact is when people start smoking weed, they, they drink less.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, I mean, it could be because they just decided to get high and not get drunk. Or it could be that they smoke pot and they get a little paranoid and they go, oh my God, why am I poisoning myself five days a week?

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Well, a lot of people now feel like are just doing like cocaine and saunas, it seems like.

• 7:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they're doing those together. Maybe in your neighborhood.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Not in our area.

• 7:17Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's your town.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  I want my neighbors to know that.

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe your neighbors are coming over their underwear with a fucking baggie. Let's go, Theo. Let's go. Let's get, get that bitch up to 185. Let's go.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  There's a place up ahead.

• 7:32Joe Rogan?

  Throw that water on them rocks. I'm ready. I want my nasal cavity to be open wide.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Get that ucal- ucalypolis in the air.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Bro, dude, the best is, yeah, if you have, if you have a good brother or somebody, they say ucalypolis, bro.

• 7:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, ucalypolis. Get the ucalypolis in the air.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  But yeah, I don't know if a lot of people are even drinking that much anymore. Do you think?

• 7:54Joe Rogan?

  Lot less people are drinking, including me, but I did have a drink the other night before I went on stage. I felt great. Woo, I haven't done that in a while. I had a little whiskey before I went on stage. But I gave up on drinking entirely for many months. I forget how many months, but it was quite a while where I didn't have a sip of alcohol. And I felt way better.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  You did?

• 8:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I don't think there's anything wrong with moderation. You know, like, uh, when I was in, uh, New York, I went to this place, Terese, oh my God.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  For MSG, you mean? For, for the pipes just now?

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, there's this Italian restaurant in New York City called Terese.

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• 11:19Speaker 01

  So good. Remember that place she took me to?

• 11:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, Gaetano's in Vegas. Oh, so good.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  That guy, the little.

• 11:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro. All handmade pasta at Gaetano's, man.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  What was that little thing? It's like a little square?

• 11:31Joe Rogan?

  It was ravioli, son. Oh my god, right?

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Like a shingle fell off the roof of heaven and landed in now.

• 11:37Joe Rogan?

  With that sauce, just perfect sauce. And Gaetano's is like a lot of it. It's it's like the best ones get their flour from Italy because it doesn't fuck with your stomach. Our flour's all messed up, man. Our wheat's messed up.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, a lot of our wheat's from Memphis, dude. A lot of our wheat has like, yeah.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  All kinds of pesticides on it.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  It's trap weed. A lot of it has trap weed. Yeah, a lot of it has guns. It's like fucking bullet holes in our wheat.

• 12:02Joe Rogan?

  You could test positive for coke just from that, just from eating wheat, just from having bread. Do you know how many dollar bills test positive for coke? It's some crazy number.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I could imagine that that's probably true. This guy tests positive, huh?

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  That's Art Bell.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Was that your stepdad?

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  No, that's Art Bell. You don't know who Art Bell is? Coast to coast with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye. Yeah, Parup, Nevada.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  That's him?

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's Art. He's the godfather of fun conspiracies.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:29Joe Rogan?

  Like UFOs.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  The radio station you could listen at night?

• 12:32Joe Rogan?

  Dude, he was my nighttime jam coming home from the Comedy Store.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I could see that.

• 12:37Joe Rogan?

  Always, because you're coming home from the Comedy Store. It's like, you know, 1 o'clock in the morning and the Art Coast to Coast with Art Bell is on. The guy calls up Art, I'm a time traveler. He had a time traveler hotline.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Of course he did, dude. He was you, he was you, you freak. You know how many time travelers you've had in here?

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  Probably a couple.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:56Joe Rogan?

  At least one.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  A couple that probably can't find their way home, too.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  At least one. I've had at least one time traveler.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  No, dude, that's you. I could totally picture it now. You, like, you get a car with some speakers in it and you're the only one driving around listening to Art Bell.

• 13:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a lot of people listening. He was really popular.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I know how popular he was, but I mean at a level where you would bump it with space.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Like, you loved it that much.

• 13:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. You know, it's like the perfect stuff to occupy your mind coming home from the Comedy Store.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  Because occasionally it was like real shit. Like occasionally he'd have some people talking about some really fascinating things. You know, like asteroid impacts and he had Terrence McKenna on a few times. He had a lot of interesting people. But then every now and then he would mix it up with a dude who says he's a werewolf. And Art would never go, "Man, you ain't a werewolf." He would go, "Interesting. Tell me more." He let dudes talk.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  He let dudes say the most ridiculous shit. It was fucking great. I got to do his show once.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Did you really?

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  You called in?

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  I did it when it was on the radio, or on the internet, rather. He wasn't on the radio anymore. He had an internet, uh, radio show for a while.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  And did he know who you were at that point, or no?

• 14:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, luckily. But, uh, to me it was like, fuck, yeah. It's like a few things in my life where when I did them, I was like, yes. You know, that was a big one. I hung up the phone. I had a giant fucking smile on my face.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:15Joe Rogan?

  I just did the Art Bell show, son.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Dude, that's so cool that that's him. I can't tell if I can see him better with or without these on.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  I think it's psychological. I'm telling you, those glasses don't do a damn thing. They don't even change the shape of your face. You know how sometimes people put them on and I always go, "How blind is this motherfucker?" And I'll look to the side and I can see like their face caves in like, like a half a foot because they got giant magnifying glasses over their eyeballs. But with you, it looks exactly the same. The line of your face doesn't change at all when you turn side to side. I think they're fucking with you. I think they think you're crazy and they're like, "His eyes are perfect. Just give him some clear lenses."

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, "Yeah, I think, I think this works. I think I see better in these two." I think, "Y'all got a vape pen?"

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Let me hit that vape, homie.

• 15:02Joe Rogan?

  There is something about when people wear them, they look smarter.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure, dude. My friend was wearing them the other day, this girl, and I was like, dang, this girl is...

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  She must be a genius.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  Hot secretary.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 15:15Joe Rogan?

  Or hot professor, hot lady professor.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Oh. Let me do some homework up in them undies, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. Let me get up in that study hall, baby girl.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let me get them extra credit points.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Um...

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  But if you're a dumb dude with glasses, that's a bad look.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 15:34Joe Rogan?

  Cause not only are you blind, but you're fucking stupid, too.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  It was like Steven Avery's cousin, that little fellow that stood by the, like, was grilling hot dogs on that burn barrel in the, uh, remember when they, when they...

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  Who's Steven Avery?

• 15:45Speaker 01

  The, um...

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  Who's Steven Avery?

• 15:48Speaker 01

  How do you describe him?

• 15:50Speaker 04

  The murders from the, the, like, Netflix thing from the, I think it was a pandemic, wasn't it?

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Making a Murderer, was that him?

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  I can't remember.

• 15:58Joe Rogan?

  What was his case?

• 15:59Speaker 01

  He was a murderer. Well, they said he was, was he? The girl, yes, he was a murderer.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  He's in jail for it.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  He's in jail for it, and he had his little cousin.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  Brendan Dassey. Oh, this is the guy that's a little mentally challenged?

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've read some stuff about that.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  And his little cousin, that's him, has shades on. Brendan Dassey, B. Dassey. Who's actually, I, we did a little bit of pen palling with him, tried to anyway.

• 16:19Joe Rogan?

  What did they think about this? Do they think that...

• 16:22Speaker 04

  I think he did it. I think there was like, I, I believe people said that the Netflix thing got like edited strange and left stuff out, but...

• 16:29Speaker 01

  That's the thing, you can't tell what's real anymore, who knows?

• 16:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, selective editing is crazy. It's crazy that they still do that.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Well, everything's crazy right now.

• 16:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel like this is the year, do you feel like this is the year that, um, people realize that like, nee, both of the, neither side of the government is working for us? Is that a weird thing to say?

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's true. It's pretty obvious that it's true.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  They're all working for the people that got them in, so no matter what they, even if they're good people that wanna do well for you, their obligations when they get in there are the people that help them get in there. They're the campaign contributors, they're the military industrial complex, the military contractors, the big money, big money banks, big money. That's what this, all this government shutdown shit was all about, man. It's all about healthcare, right? So it's all about how much money is getting funneled through these corporations. If you really think that what they're trying to do is make sure that people get healthcare, you're fucking naive.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're ridiculous.

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  What they're doing is they are protecting some kind of slush fund. If somebody digs into this and finds out where that money's going and finds out how this money's distributed, it'll make more sense. Because there ain't a fucking chance in hell that they're keeping the government shut down to protect your health.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:48Joe Rogan?

  There's not a chance. There's not a chance they're shutting down the fucking air traffic controllers. Not a chance they're shutting down NASA because they're worried about you getting the flu. That shit is not happening. That's not what's going on.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  But I think everybody's starting to realize that. Dude, I went to the post office. You've been to the post office recently?

• 18:06Joe Rogan?

  I have not.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:07Joe Rogan?

  Not since I voted. That was the last time I was at the post office.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Okay, well, it's over. So if you want to know what the post office is like, dude. I went, I'm not even joking, I went to the closest branch near me in Nashville. There was two birds, there was two crows in there, two. One of them was a crow, definitely. One of them was a pretty big bird and I thought it was a crow, but he had some discoloration or whatever. So maybe like a mulatto crow or a mixed crow or something, I don't know.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Pulling a fucking bo, like fighting over a fucking box in there. And there's a lady, um, kind of like a darker woman in there and she's spraying fucking Lysol, trying to get them out of the fucking post office. I was like.

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  Lysol?

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like a Fabuloso, like a cleaning spr, like a disinfectant.

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like she's standing on a little stepladder trying to fucking get these two birds, who were fighting over a fucking package. I was like, we're fucked. We're fucked, man. That's, and that's, that's the government.

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's biblical.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I'm sure, it seems like a Stephen King outtake, you know?

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  But I'm like, this is where we are. This is, this is how, like, everything's privatized now, it's a rap.

• 19:16Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Do you feel like it's a rap? Like, I've been thinking for years that America just feels like a shell company, like a shell LLC.

• 19:23Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about it being privatized. Some things probably should be privatized because they work better.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Okay, well, like FedEx came along, UPS came along.

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  So those came along.

• 19:33Joe Rogan?

  But the post office still does a good job, man.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  No. I'm gonna disagree with that, I'm sorry. I've never disagreed with you, I don't think.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  The post office is the only people that are sending, sending letters for you for like thirty cents or whatever it costs. And then the post office are the only way that you could ship chickens. Live chicks, like little baby chicks. They have to do it through the post office. Because they know what to do and they keep them alive, they know they're chicks.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's nice, I didn't know that.

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  All the, we've had chickens, you know, and every chicken we get, when we get them, they're baby chicks.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  And they come in the mail?

• 20:02Joe Rogan?

  They get them through the post office. Post office delivers them.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Can you hear the package like that, it's like?

• 20:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro, the post office, it works. It's not perfect because it's the government and there's no government programs that are perfect, you know?

• 20:12Speaker 01

  It doesn't work that good anymore, though, I think it's, it's gotten so bad, dude. The post office is-

• 20:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Bro, it's gotten bad. I sent my niece a birthday card, dude, she never got it, she never got it. It had money, it's gone, it's gone, she'll never get it.

• 20:26Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you know what always kills me?

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Nobody's getting anything.

• 20:27Joe Rogan?

  The videos of these people dropping off UPS packages, they take a picture of the package and then they steal the package. I've seen that, I've seen videos of that. I think people are kinda hip to what Ring cameras could do. But, bro, there was a, quite a while where people were doing some really fucking horrible shit right in front of those cameras, because they didn't know. They didn't know, you can't be just stealing people's packages after you drop them off, like the fucking UPS driver. You know?

• 20:53Speaker 01

  It's a fucking wild time, dude.

• 20:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, a lot of videos of that, man, they put them down, take a picture, and then they pick them up, take them back to their truck.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  And take it back.

• 21:00Joe Rogan?

  And then the camera's like, "Hey, fuckface."

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  "Hey, motherfucker."

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

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• 21:48Joe Rogan?

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• 21:59Speaker 01

  Listen, man. They should have different like ring camera, like a voice like, "This is Mr. T. You need to bring that package back, sucker."

• 22:05Joe Rogan?

  That is one of the dirtiest things, porch pirates, people that are just stealing shit off your porch.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  To get that close to somebody's house to be right there. That's one thing I like about living in a state where there is the ability to express something.

• 22:18Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about guns.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Bulletarily, that's how I like to say it. There's the ability to express something bulletarily to somebody if you disagree, if their behavior is illegal.

• 22:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta be careful about what that though. The laws are different in different places. Like even if someone's stealing something, you're not allowed to kill them.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:39Joe Rogan?

  A guy just got in trouble because some dudes, I think there was three dudes, broke into his garage. And he went into his garage and they went after him and he shot them. And he killed one of them, and now they're bringing him up for manslaughter. Cause I guess they're saying, he didn't have to shoot them, he could have just scared them, or he didn't have to kill them. He could have just retreated back into his home. Like in California, they're literally like dressed up like a...

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Oh, just scared them with the gun, I guess?

• 23:12Joe Rogan?

  I guess, but like, you don't know what they have, you don't know what's going on. These are split-second decisions you're making with your life in danger. And then if you have a wife and children, bro, you're gonna shoot first and ask questions later. You're not gonna make a mistake that's gonna have your kids killed.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can be like, "Are you scared or what?" You can't say that kinda shit.

• 23:30Joe Rogan?

  No, bro, it's scary. Someone's breaking into your home, you have no idea what they have. You have no idea if they're there to kill you, if you have no idea they're there to rob you, if they're gonna duct tape you and torture you for a week. You don't know what the fuck is going on, and if you have a gun, you're most likely gonna use it. You're gonna shoot them. And the fact that these people broke into his house, they were committing a crime, and defending his property and maybe his life, he's getting charged with manslaughter? That's ridiculous. This is the, this is the problem with liberal politics. And this is where I get really confused, because I'm like, I don't know what they're trying to do. But if I was gonna try to destroy civilization, that's how I would do it.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:10Joe Rogan?

  I would keep letting violent people out, keep saying it's racist to keep them in jail, keep saying, you know, they're a victim of systematic racism, and just like, let the violent people stay being violent, and then when people defend themselves, lock them up, have everybody scared. Like, if you wanted to destroy society, you would do it exactly this way. And I don't understand that. I don't understand, like, it's... I understand being a kind, compassionate person, doesn't believe in gun violence, absolutely. But if that's the case, like, there's no better deterrent to gun violence than someone who has a gun, and you can't get to their house because they'll fucking shoot you, okay? Like, that's, that's a really good deterrent. Unless you're gonna have police everywhere, and you don't. So like, who's gonna protect people from bad people?

• 24:53Joe Rogan?

  If you're gonna admit that bad people exist, if you wanna stop bad people from happening, that's a conversation I'd love to have. That's a real conversation. Like, let's figure out how to clean up a lot of these neighborhoods, and figure out what's causing all these problems.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  But nobody wants to do that, or it would've been done by now at this point. People just wanna kind of keep, these higher powers, they know what they're doing. It just starts to feel like the experiment, like, we're just really seeing the experiment, you know? It's almost like, say you were playing the game Mario or something, and one day Mario, instead of just going this way on the screen, he fucking turns and looks at you, and he's like, "I see what you're doing." That's what it feels like we are right now, like we're we're looking

• 25:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  At the people controlling everything, like

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 25:37Joe Rogan?

  That's all because of the internet, dog.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  But it feels like

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  If it wasn't for the internet, no one would be looking, because we wouldn't be getting these conversations.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Right, we'd still be, we'd still be, people would still be disillusioned.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  You'd be getting CNN, you'd be getting some horseshit version of what's actually going on. But because of the internet and real independent journalists and and people that are breaking things down, you start to go, wait a minute, what the fuck is going on?

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  Who is, who is doing this? Why are you doing it? Want some coffee, dog?

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Can I have some?

• 26:06Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, of course you can.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks, buddy.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 26:11Joe Rogan?

  I mean, we're the first generation that has had, cheers, my brother.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Cheers, man. Good to see you, dude.

• 26:17Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you always.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Really, I'm excited to see you.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  We're excited to see you too, always.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  And I'm excited to see you a little clearer than I did.

• 26:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you are, I think it's, I think they got you. I think they're fucking with you, man. I think they're giving you placebos too.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, really?

• 26:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think they gave you, let me take some whatever pills they give you. Let's see what happens.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  No, these are fifteens, I think. These are good.

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  Fifteens? What does that mean?

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro. He fucked up. He fucked up from the coffee gotcha.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  He fucking gave me this molten coffee, dude.

• 26:48Joe Rogan?

  Black rifle in the house.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 26:50Joe Rogan?

  Always. That's all we drink.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Dude, I went, uh, oh, yeah, well, there's, yeah, I'm just at the journalism now, I can't, I know this is too hot for me right now.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  It's not that hot, look.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  I'm gonna need glasses for my tongue after I drink this, dude.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not, no, no, it's an illusion. It's warm. It's decently hot, you know, like, nice, nice, yeah, refreshing.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  It is good.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, refreshing, not like ouchy. Why can't Starbucks figure that out?

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Cause they, I don't even think it gets coffee anymore. It's almost become like McDonald's, it's just a, it's a

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  It's burnt.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  It's a taste, it's just a thing.

• 27:22Joe Rogan?

  I drink black coffee, that's what I drink, that's what I like. I got into it a while ago, like, years ago.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Like my shit like Rick Ross, bro, that's what I like, Rick Ross in my mouth.

• 27:29Joe Rogan?

  You know what I got into it, Jamie? Remember we had that guy Peter Giuliani on, that was the coffee connoisseur? That got me into, I started drinking black coffee from then on. That was a long time ago, at least ten years ago, right?

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  I had a real coffee connoisseur on.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause I wanted to know all about coffee.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Like a sommelier kinda?

• 27:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. Dude, it's fa- he brought in a bunch of different coffees. We were tasting like these Ethiopian blends that almost was like lemony.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  He was like, you taste the hints of lemon? I'm like, I do?

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  Did you know all coffee comes from Ethiopia?

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes, all of it.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Some of it comes, some of it comes, I know, from, um, there's Kona coffee, isn't there?

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it all originated in Ethiopia. That's where the plant originated.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they moved it into South America, so like they started making it in Colombia, then making it in Hawaii has bomb diggity coffee.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  Kona coffee is some of the best coffee in the world. I guess probably the soil, like something about the Hawaiian volcanic.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  If you fucking drink my own piss in Hawaii, I'm still, it's a little better than if I'm drinking it in fucking outside of Akron. You know what I'm saying?

• 28:29Joe Rogan?

  Outside of Akron, smoke snacks in the background and shit. Here they drink a liter of piss before you get in the sauna with your neighbor.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Before I get a little bag for my, for my-

• 28:40Joe Rogan?

  Someone's got a urine therapy protocol you have to take with your cocaine.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah. Bro, even a hot batch of piss in Hawaii tastes way better.

• 28:49Joe Rogan?

  That's so true, but I drink it in America. Like, I, I used to order Kona coffee.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but yeah, I mean-

• 28:54Joe Rogan?

  Before I went Black Rifle exclusive.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I met the guy from Black Rifle, Evan Haver, right?

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  He's a good friend of mine.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Nice guy.

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  I love him to death.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, he took me around whenever, whenever I was there.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  He's one of my absolute favorite people. Oh, I'm wearing one of his shirts. Look at that dog.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  He treated me super well, dude.

• 29:07Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Dude, somebody's, oh, Candace, someone sent me that thing. It was, um-

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  You got notes?

• 29:12Speaker 01

  She sent.

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you brought notes.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  There's things I wanted to talk about, I just wanted to forget them. My, my, my, my, it's been hard for me to remember stuff.

• 29:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  So.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  I'll help you out.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  You will?

• 29:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get some Alpha Brain. Take some, have you ever, do you ever take vitamins for your brain?

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  It works.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I will take some.

• 29:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should, there's a bunch of different kinds. You should try what you like. Um, but another real good one is, um, this company, uh, Neurogum. They make Neurogum and Neuromints.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  I've heard you talk about it.

• 29:45Joe Rogan?

  That's really good. There's a, one called True Brain. They make like a little shot. That's really good.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Magic Mind, I know, has one that I think is pretty good.

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  That's a different one. That's a different kind. They use mushrooms, but that's a good one, too.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  I've been hearing about it.

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  I think synergistically, they would all work well together. But there's legit vitamins that work on your brain.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that work on your memory.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted, yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll probably, I would like to try.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  I'll give you some before we leave. I have some Alpha Brain Black Label around here somewhere. I definitely have a few bottles in the kitchen, but that's the best. Alpha Brain, I've tried them all, even though I know I'm associated with Alpha, with on it and I'm probably lying. I'm not. Uh, this, I tell you about all the other ones, I don't make a penny off of them. But Alpha Brain, I think is the best one. It's the most effective. And it's the only one that I know of that did two double-blind placebo-controlled studies with the Boston Center for Memory.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Alpha Brain?

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So we did that because a lot of people were saying it was snake oil.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  The Boston Center for Memory, like, how many his-?

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  Boston Euclid have.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Hey buddy. In fucking, in 2001, you know? What year did the Sox make it into the series? Dude, one time I was going into a show. We were outside of Ball, we had a show outside of Boston, it's like a theater, it's like 15, 20 minutes away. Um, and I'm walking in, I'm walking in late, everybody's already in there. I think the show had started, so I'm coming in, and a guy and his wife were walking out with pizza, they're heading in. And the guy's like, "Dorothy, give him your fucking pizza." The guy's starving, he's late for work, and I'm like, "I'm fine." And it, like, and first of all, why don't you just give me your pizza, dude? He's like, "Dorothy." This kind of like, kind of big back lady, she said that it's muffling down a piece of pizza, dude.

• 31:21Joe Rogan?

  He was trying to give, get you to give her pizza?

• 31:24Speaker 01

  His wife to give me her pizza, I'm like-

• 31:25Joe Rogan?

  But not his pizza?

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. That's a bad relationship.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  He's like, "Dorothy, can't you see the guy's, he's, he's, he's running late for work."

• 31:33Joe Rogan?

  He's trying to tell his wife he's fat, and he's doing it a subtle way.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Well, he was using me, so I'm like-

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  He was using you.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  "Dorothy, I'm fine," you know?

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was using you.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  But it was just like a, like just Boston thing.

• 31:43Joe Rogan?

  Or he was just trying to have some conversation. It might have been that. Maybe we're looking into it too much.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Dude, I had a dream you were in EMT, dude. Have you ever had that?

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  Really? You had a dream I was in EMT?

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've had it two times.

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  That, really? Like, I was like tending to car accidents and stuff?

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:56Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. And I think it was in Boston. I think that's what even made me think about it.

• 32:00Joe Rogan?

  I could have gone down that route in life, maybe, if things had been different. That's possible.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Would have been pretty-

• 32:05Joe Rogan?

  I could have saw that. That could have happened. I almost joined the army when I was eighteen for their taekwondo team. There was a dude, oh god, I think his name was Clay Barber. Um, he was one of the national competitors that I looked up to, uh, when I was on my way up, and he was, uh, in the army. And he had, uh, like, the army paid him to train. And I was like, oh shit, you could join the army and they'll pay you to compete? You know, because they had an army boxing team, like, I believe Ray Mercer was on the army boxing team-

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Oh wow.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  -when he fought in the Olympics and won the gold medal.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Do you have to be, but do you also ha- like, do you have to do service as well?

• 32:42Joe Rogan?

  Was this Jamie?

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Is that him?

• 32:44Joe Rogan?

  No, he was a, a black guy. Oh, there's a, see the taekwondo, see it says, right there, to the right? Yeah, the, the one on the right, where it says his name, right there. Click on that. The one that your cursor's over, dog. Clay Barber, right there. Yeah. So, he was really good in like, uh, I guess it was probably like eighty-six? Or, yeah, somewhere around, I was eighteen, so it had to be eighty-five or eighty-six.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Ooh, baby girl.

• 33:14Joe Rogan?

  But that, that's the dude right there. He was, uh, uh, an elite, um, national competitor in my weight class.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  He'll kick a fucking whisper out of your mouth. That dude's a gangster, huh?

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was really good. Um, but he was competing for the army team, and so I was like, maybe I should join the army. And then I thought about it, I was like, I don't want to get shot. Like, what am I doing? Like, I, I don't trust anybody.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Did you even try on the clothes at home or anything, or did you do anything?

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't try on the clothes. I saluted in the mirror a couple times. I'm like, no, we're good.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, yeah. I, I guess, I don't know if I could see you being in the, in the army. But yeah, it was just a dream. It was just, I think it was like you, honestly, I think it was like you and Goggins, I think, were maybe like EMTs or whatever.

• 33:50Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like something Goggins would do.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  But y'all did not fucking, you guys did not deal with anybody's bullshit. Like, you guys showed up and you were like, get the fuck up.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  You're like, what the fu- you're fucking pussy. I think you, I don't even think you had any like, I don't think you had even a step, you had like a whistle, you're like,

• 34:09Speaker 01

  bullshit.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  You know what Goggins does that a lot of people don't know about? He smoke jumps.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 34:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, for-

• 34:18Speaker 01

  I used to smoke and play high school basketball.

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  That's very different. It's very different. He, he parachutes into fires.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's not it.

• 34:26Joe Rogan?

  Like in Canada.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  For fun?

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  Uh, because it's hard.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 34:30Joe Rogan?

  Literally. Because it's hard to do. Dude's worth like thirty million dollars, he jumps out of fucking planes with parachutes. And, and he sent me a photo, uh, of a giant ass fucking grizzly track. As they, they landed in Canada at this place. And, right where they landed to fight these fires, he's like, I mean, like a grizzly track. And he was like, wish me luck.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  I was like, dude, get the fuck out of there. If you see that track, get the fuck out of there. That's a eleven hundred pound wild dog.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Wow. And he just does it because he wants to-

• 35:04Joe Rogan?

  Because it's hard to do.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  You're landing just in the smoke.

• 35:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Now, when you get in there, do they have a plan of where you're going? Is it fire, it's firemen and firewomen in there?

• 35:13Joe Rogan?

  I, well, uh, there's a lot of different tasks that they do, but one of them is you're digging a fire break. So you dig, like, a lot of what happens is embers land on the ground, and then it starts a fire. Right? So what they do is they'll, they'll clear the ground for a wide area where the fire is coming. So the fire's on its way, they'll get ahead of the fire, and then they'll clear a giant path on the ground.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Girl, that would scare me.

• 35:41Joe Rogan?

  It's scary.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  That would scare me.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  Guys die. I mean, they one hundred percent, they get trapped and they die.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 35:46Joe Rogan?

  The wind shifts. You know, things, sometimes things are unpredictable. Um, but, he does it just because it's hard, he's so crazy.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Does he have to sign a con- he must have to sign something, huh?

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I don't know what he does. Uh, he doesn't, I bet he doesn't even tell them he's David Goggins. He just shows up. I'm telling you, man, he's, he's a different cat, like, he's, he's the real deal. Like, he's not pretending to do all these things.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:09Joe Rogan?

  You've seen those videos where he takes UFC fighters on workouts? And they're dying? Like, he took Israel Adesanya? Israel Adesanya, two-time middleweight motherfucking champion of the world, one of the best to ever do it, elite athlete.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Dying.

• 36:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, couldn't keep up. Goggins was talking to him like, "Come on, son, keep going." He's like, "Ah, ah." He's throwing up in a garbage can, like, no bullshit. It's crazy to watch, because you realize, like, the level of conditioning this guy has.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:37Joe Rogan?

  He's fifty years old. He's not doing it for any reason. Like, he's not getting ready for the World Series. He's not in the Super Bowl.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  What, you think he's proven it to himself?

• 36:48Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to ask him.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  I guess the challenge of doing that-

• 36:51Joe Rogan?

  He says he's learning things. I'm downloading lessons, like, like-

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  He's just, he's that guy, man, like, there's a lot of... What is that?

• 37:00Speaker 04

  I found the tracks, sorry.

• 37:02Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 37:03Speaker 04

  The tracks. The Grizzly tracks.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, show me, show me. I sent it to you, right?

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's on my phone.

• 37:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, put the headphones on.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 37:10Joe Rogan?

  Check this out. Show me, show me, show me what is-

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Remember that song?

• 37:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The one that makes me scream.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The Cure.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  The Cure, yeah. They were good, and they passed away, huh?

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  Did they?

• 37:26Speaker 01

  I think before they, yeah.

• 37:27Joe Rogan?

  I don't think, well, there's multiple members. Did that guy pass away, the lead singer of The Cures? The Cure, rather?

• 37:36Joe Rogan?

  What's the matter, Jamie?

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Well, I had it on my phone, I didn't have it on my computer.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I-

• 37:41Speaker 01

  You jumped the gun.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  But, uh-

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Dude, if you were-

• 37:43Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you send it to me and I'll send it to you?

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  And you'll have it on your computer.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  I found it on my-

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Dude, if you were in EMT, that'd be sick, huh?

• 37:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I think it's a bummer, man.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  I don't even think you'd get out of the vehicle, you'd pull up and be like, "Get the fuck up."

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  I'd probably be-

• 38:00Speaker 01

  And the Goggins would go help him? Goggins would be like, "Get the fuck up, you little pussy."

• 38:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, just send it to me and I'll send it to you.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  I have it, I have it, I just can't make it bigger.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. That's good. Give me some volume. Look at that.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  Look at these motherfuckers dude, they're as big as my foot.

• 38:25Speaker 05

  This is a massive fucking grizzly bear.

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dude.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  Massive fucking grizzly bear.

• 38:31Joe Rogan?

  Look at that paw, that's crazy.

• 38:35Joe Rogan?

  Oof.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  This is fucking a massive ass grizzly bear. And as you see-

• 38:40Joe Rogan?

  Where's it going?

• 38:41Speaker 05

  He walks right through there, through those woods, so-

• 38:45Joe Rogan?

  Probably over the mountain.

• 38:46Speaker 05

  We are in big time grizzly bear territory.

• 38:50Joe Rogan?

  Bro. That's so sketchy. That's cool. That's so sketchy. He sent me that.

• 38:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cuz I was like, "What are you doing?" And he sends me that. This is what I'm doing.

• 39:04Joe Rogan?

  Other people are like, "I'm watching football." Right. Yeah. He's like, "I just fucking parachuted into grizzly country." Oh, man, there's nothing scarier than, than- Big. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you've thought about trying therapy with our long-term partner, BetterHelp, insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average copay for eligible members of just $23 per session. And with World Mental Health Day on the 10th, now's the perfect time to give it a try. In fact, don't even wait until the 10th because all that stress you feel, it's not waiting around. So instead of letting it build up, sign up for a therapy session and unload at any time, not just on World Mental Health Day.

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• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  Animals like that, nothing scarier.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  I get the most scared, honestly, in my life. When I was young, they had like a lot of pedophiles in our area and I think that kind of like made me nervous, but probably being in the ocean.

• 41:29Joe Rogan?

  You had a lot of pedophiles in your neighborhood?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  Like how many?

• 41:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I think at least three is enough for like a small area.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Three's more than enough.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  How come nobody did anything about it?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  They did. I mean, they put them in our neighborhood or like. Yeah.

• 41:46Joe Rogan?

  That's not what I mean. I mean, how come nobody arrested them?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Oh, they'd been arrested. Yeah, these were guys who were like, uh.

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  They were released?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they used to have this thing. Remember when they had this, I wonder when that rule was? It was like the pedophiles had to go around door to door.

• 41:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and let everybody know?

• 42:00Speaker 01

  No, that were pedophiles, right?

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. That was a law that they passed. You had to alert people that a sex offender had moved into the neighborhood.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Well, we lived, our mom worked all the time and we were just at home all the time. So you'd have pedophiles literally come to the door.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  And let you know?

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they'd be like, is your mom home? And be like, no. And they're like, well, I'm a pedophile. You're like, well.

• 42:18Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Come back after six, you know? But so it was just crazy, like, you know, but then at least you did know who the people were. But it was definitely weird that you're setting, and they don't live in nice neighborhoods. You know, like now there's a lot of like billionaire pedophiles that our government protects and stuff, but back then.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  You really think so?

• 42:37Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 42:38Joe Rogan?

  I don't know either. That's what makes me nervous. I don't know.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  I mean, they just had that thing that came out about the Trump Epstein thing the other day. That whole thing's just a kickball at this point, I feel like.

• 42:49Joe Rogan?

  Bro, have you ever seen that video of me and Tim Dillon where Tim Dillon is laying out the scandal that took place in like, was it the 1970s, Jamie? The Franklin scandal. The Franklin scandal? What year was that? I think in the 80s and 90s.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Bro. Were y'all dressed up like astronauts or was that that one?

• 43:05Joe Rogan?

  Me and Tim Dillon, no. Well, no, we're dressed normal.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 43:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't even think he had the crazy glasses on back then. That was before he was protecting his eyes. Now he protects his eyes. Eighty-eight. Eighty-eight. Play that video. I sent it to you, right? This video's nuts, man. This was, Tim laid this out quite a while ago. And I kind of forgot about it until it popped up on my feed. I was like, oh shit. And then I said, I could send it back to you if you.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Thank god for Tim Dillon.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, he's the best. There's never been a better ranter, ever, in the history of ranting.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  Ever.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Sin two, I bet there was somebody a long time ago that was good, but we don't have enough of his work to really compete against him.

• 43:39Joe Rogan?

  He's the funniest, by far. He's the most sarcastic, the most tongue in cheek, and the most well-read.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:46Joe Rogan?

  The thing about Tim Dillon is like, he doesn't just go with narratives because he thinks that you want him to say certain things.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:53Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, he's very, very well-read. And he forms his opinions based on facts. And then turns it into humor.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:02Joe Rogan?

  He's the fucking man. Play this.

• 44:04Speaker 06

  Scandal was a, it was a scandal out of Omaha, Nebraska, the Franklin Credit Union, where there was a guy who was embezzling money. And then he was being investigated for that, but they said he's all, he has all this money because he's running an interstate pedophile network. And he's pandering kids to, you know, people in Washington DC and New York. And there was a headline in the Washington Post or the Washington Times that were like, "Cowboys Get a Tour of the Reagan White House."

• 44:26Speaker 07

  Unidentified White House aides in the Carter, Reagan, and Bush administrations now are being investigated for using the services of a cowboy ring. The paper reports that two of the male prostitutes were given a late night tour of the White House last year.

• 44:39Speaker 06

  And, you know, this was a scandal with real victims who wanted to testify and then people started dying. You know, the private investigator they hired, his plane broke up. Uh, one of the girls that, uh, testified was found guilty of perjury and that she was put in solitary confinement. They had to use two grand juries in Omaha to get rid of this scandal. And it's one of, now, it's not as sexy as like a pizza gate or something because it's happened in the eighties and nineties. But this shows you the blueprint for the government, you know, using, marshalling resources to, to silence people that were victims of this stuff. This is not new. Congressman, senators, blackmail being used by intelligence agencies, none of it's new. It was pioneered by the mafia. You're having sex with somebody who's underage, then they own you forever.

• 45:22Speaker 06

  They have photo, audio, video of you doing that.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  Wild. Wild. So if that existed at all in the 1990s, okay? That Mitch McConnell guy was around back then, you know? A lot of these Nancy Pelosi type people, they've been around since, there's just photos of Nancy Pelosi with JFK. Think of that. That was before we didn't go to the moon.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  It's 1963.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  That was before Israel didn't kill him.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  I didn't say anything.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  I heard you say Israel killed him.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  You did?

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  That's what I heard.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Jamie, did you put something in this?

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  They didn't, the glasses. They didn't do it. Oh, before Israel didn't do it. Oh, I see what you did. I think, um...

• 46:03Speaker 01

  I didn't say anything.

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  I think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Lee Harvey Oswald went to my middle school, do you know that?

• 46:08Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  What? No shit. Was there a plaque?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Uh, no, we did have a thing. There was a thing.

• 46:17Joe Rogan?

  Let everybody recognize?

• 46:19Speaker 01

  L H O, yeah.

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, L H O? That's what you guys called him?

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  Like L Ron Hubbard? L H R? They all salute L Ron Hubbard, salute L H R with the big, ever see Tom Cruise with the big pie plate medal? He got a medal for being the most awesome guy ever.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  He did?

• 46:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, from Scientology. And he salutes the photo of, of a science fiction writer. Bro, it's the kookiest thing. You've never seen?

• 46:45Speaker 01

  A pie plate?

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  Bro. They, have you never seen those Scientology awards?

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Nuh-uh.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  They're amazing.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  I can see him eating a lot of desserts, really.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  They're amazing. They're amazing.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Uh-uh, I didn't even know that.

• 46:57Joe Rogan?

  Look at that pie plate.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  These are the times now, people. Okay? These are the times we will all remember.

• 47:04Speaker 00

  Were you there? What did you do? I think you know that I am there for you. And I do care so very, very, very much.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  What is this about? Is this a Marie Callender's ad?

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  Bro, what this is, is amazing. Just watch this.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Okay, sorry.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  Here's what's carrying on you. All right? To L R H.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  To L R H. Wow.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Crazy, right?

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you want a Mission Impossible guy? You want that guy? That's what you get.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you don't get a normal dude who's that good at acting. You get a fucking crazy person.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Who's that good at being himself.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  With a pie plate around his neck. A golden pie plate for being the most awesome guy ever. And he salutes a science fiction author, who's by the way, one of the worst writers in the history of writing.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  L Ron? I've done the thing in New York where they try to electrocute you and see if you care about him or whatever.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I got that.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  I did that in San Diego.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  You did?

• 48:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  When?

• 48:10Joe Rogan?

  I was filming a TV show down there. And, uh, you know, we were in the middle of a break while we're filming. And, um, they had like a conference table set up. It was like free personality test. And I was like, what is this? And I kinda knew what it was. I knew it was dietetics, you know, which is Scientology. But the guy was like, they made him do it. You could tell he was like not enthusiastic at all about it. Uh, you know, he'd be like, ask you questions about like, has one of your pets died? Like that kinda shit.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  He'd hold his E-meter and it would just, I'm like, how's this work? Like, what is actually making this happen? You know, I had all these questions that he had no answers for. And then I started.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Of course you did. That's your whole life.

• 48:50Joe Rogan?

  L Ron Hubbard wrote more fiction.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:54Joe Rogan?

  Than any human being that's ever lived. He wrote more things that were not true. More published fiction than any human being in the history of all human beings.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  My god.

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  That guy, the guy that created Scientology. And you know how he did it? It was all terrible. He never wrote a second draft. Everything was just nonsense.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  One-hit wonder?

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  One-hit wonder.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Just out, that's kind of brave though.

• 49:20Joe Rogan?

  Typing. Brave. He was nuts. He was out of his mind.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  But people liked it enough, though.

• 49:25Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that show? They didn't, though. He wasn't successful until he really started. I mean, he was. He did a lot of those like goofy magazines and stuff. This is a long time ago.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:34Joe Rogan?

  You better realize. But then, once he started a religion, that's when things took off. That's when like, started making money, gave himself a lot of, he gave himself a bunch of awards, too. You ever see like he had, oh, he wore a jacket and he had like all these awards on his chest that he had given himself?

• 49:50Speaker 01

  That is crazy.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  They love to give awards over there.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  That's like the Golden Globes or whatever.

• 49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, same thing.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  You know?

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  It really is.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  They give themselves awards for being the most awesome people.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  How cra- I mean, that whole, it's all fucking ridiculous. But that's what I feel, I feel like all of these balls of yarn that used to feel like they made so much sense.

• 50:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  And they kept us warm and they gave us a sense of purpose. I feel like all of them are becoming unraveled, but it makes me wonder what's gonna happen now? Are we? Because these are a lot of things that have felt like some of the blueprints of our existence, you know?

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  You know what makes me nervous?

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Does that make any sense to you when I say that?

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes, 100%.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Because that's kind of what I guess I'm most scared about. I think, like even this year, it's like some of my sense of like purpose are like, I just worry that other people don't have a sense of purpose or what's going on and it makes me kind of scared sometimes.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a good perspective and I think it's accurate. Um, what makes me nervous is the people that are not aware that all of our assumptions of how the government works were all based on bullshit. The people that still believe, that are like true believers of one side or the other, true faith in government and experts, those people make me more nervous. Because some of them are smart. That's what's crazy. When smart people are completely unwilling to recognize that conspiracies are not just real.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  But they're also not rare. They're, they're very common. They're common and people get away with them.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Especially when they're in positions of extreme power, like running intelligence agencies. Like they, and there's a lot of things that they do that are morally reprehensible, but totally legal. Like they can do it because they're allowed to, because they are a three-letter organization and they have ultimate power to do a lot of like really gross things that are in the nature or in the, the interest of national security. So like this is the whole idea of a fine, they say like, this is our, our decision. This is the best move for national security. This is how we compromise assets. This is how we gather information, how we keep America safe.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  But are, they're not, our F, why is it our FBI and CIA are working against us? That's what it feels like. They're just tricking us about it. It feels like-

• 52:05Joe Rogan?

  They're tricking some people, um, on purpose, right?

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Why is that even their goal? Like I thought that they-

• 52:11Joe Rogan?

  Because they're trying to arrest people. So this is the problem with your career, like, and this has been explained to me by a lot of people that are experts and people that know. John Karikow explained it this way. Your, your reputation is based on how successful you have been arresting people, cracking cases.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  And so people set up cases so they can break them.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:31Joe Rogan?

  They basically set up an escape room and they're like, I don't know how to get out of here.

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  And they pretend that they're just like a regular wizard that stumbled into the escape room. No, you set the whole thing up.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what it is. Well, it's the same as like-

• 52:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of those stories.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Oh, I think it's the same even with like Hollywood and, you know, I remember one day I was walking in the Century City Mall over there. It's in Los Angeles, it's off of Santa Monica Boulevard.

• 52:56Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  And there was a, uh, like a blue collar guy walking by, you know, like his, uh, he was working construction, they were building something there. And I was like, he's like, Theo, what's up, man? So we're talking for a minute and I was like, what are y'all building? He's like, dude, you're never gonna believe this, we're building, he's like 10, 10 floors, 20 floor building. He's like, 10 floors are, uh, uh, talent agency and the other 10 floors are for the CIA. And I was like, what? I was like, just in the same building, just happened to be, that's what you're building? He's like, yep, that's what we're building. And he wasn't lying, I don't, I don't think he was lying to me. It just seemed like a cra- it was just like-

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  Weird mixture. Yeah.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Right, but I think that this starts to happen. News stories get created, right?

• 53:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Things get- Whether they're fiction or whatever goes on, you don't even know a lot of times what's news stories. You can send actors out to create a scene, you see a video, you believe it. Um, and then they make.

• 53:47Joe Rogan?

  That's been done before.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  That's been done before.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, there was. But then you see movies and stuff come out later about it. So it's like you're almost creating your own.

• 53:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  News to then make like a, uh, based on a real story. You know what I'm talking about?

• 54:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Like it's all just a.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  I guess, yeah, like they, they let the talent agencies know that they're about to do this. So you can start casting.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:09Joe Rogan?

  Dramatic.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  It makes sense. Cause it's like, then you're just, you're.

• 54:14Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  But it's just like, what do we do, you know?

• 54:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've been doing this forever. They've been doing this forever.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, they've been shaping our views of war and, you know, that's one of the reasons why they started making all these war movies. Do you know that? Okay, so in World War One, one of the problems that they had was people didn't want to be over there killing people.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:36Joe Rogan?

  And so people were shooting, but they weren't shooting at the actual enemy. They would like shoot over their heads or shoot to the left of them and to the right of them. They didn't want to kill people. And they realized like that you take people, just regular people from the city and from the farm and put them in a uniform and tell them they have to go kill people. This is no YouTube back then, no television back then, right? So their ideas of what's right and wrong are all based on their life.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:05Joe Rogan?

  Their actual life. And so then they realized, well, we've got to do something about that. And so after that, they started creating all these really patriotic war movies. Where the guys are heroes, they go over and they shoot all the bad guys and then they're awesome. So then the next group of people that go to war are all going to be indoctrinated with these films.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:22Joe Rogan?

  And these films are that America's the best and we're number one and we're going to go over there and this is how you get all the girls. You be a fucking hero and go over there and shoot those Germans.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and come back and play with a tit.

• 55:33Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, come back and get ridden like a fucking cowboy. Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  The tits will be here when you get off the boat. Yeah. Baby girl.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  And that's, uh, that's what they did. They, they.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  I can see that.

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  And I mean.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Makes sense.

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Cause it's almost like you're advertising.

• 55:49Joe Rogan?

  The CIA and, you know, various federal organizations have a say in how America's portrayed in movies, right? It's like, if you're going to get access to, if you're going to do some film on, you know, the Pentagon or something like that, you, you bet, bitch, this better been, make us look good. You know, they're not gonna let you make them look like a bunch of bumbling fucking retards that are just doing it for their career. No, you better make us look good. You can't fake what the Pentagon is, bitch. You know, and you're like, "Okay, sir, what, tell me how you'd like Mr. Cruz to talk about his work." And you know, you'd make them look like the most awesome human beings that have ever been, so that way you like, you wanna support them, you wanna fund them, and you wanna listen to them when they're talking on the news.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Well, in a lot of like, the projects, I think they have to have people from these organizations that come and like oversee how the organization is presented, right?

• 56:38Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  So it's like, if you wanna do something where the Navy's involved, you have to have people there from the Navy that are like overseeing it and making sure that everything is presented, um, to, you know, to be true to the Navy, but also like, there could be maybe some manipulation there, but, we just had Gary Sinise was on the podcast, man, it was really cool.

• 56:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's cool.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Dude, if you ever wanna donate to something where people do, man, what an impressive, his whole organization is.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  What is he doing?

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Well, he does a lot of stuff for veterans, right? He does a lot of stuff for first responders, you know, or EMTs. Um, he does a lot of stuff for, um, he does this thing where they take kids who have lost a fa- a parent to the, in, uh, military action, um, he takes them to Disney World every year, like this big group of them, you know? Just, uh, but just like really, like does it, you know? Like he has a band that plays, he, he, there's a bunch of organizations, he was like one of the first responders of, um, out there feeding people, uh, feeding the first responders who were there at the Palisades when that happened. Just like a lot of neat stuff, you know? Big heart, big heart.

• 57:47Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever think you'd be in the position you're in where you're just having all these weird conversations with interesting people? Cause this is not like-

• 57:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 57:54Joe Rogan?

  When I first met you, I would have never suspected that this would be a path that you would go down.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, not at all.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's interesting that you went down that, like, how, what, what led you to wanna start doing that?

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Well, I think a couple of things, I think, um-

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Well, I think I didn't know I was kinda competitive in some ways. You know, like I think um

• 58:18Speaker 01

  I think I'm kinda competitive. Like I wanna see what's possible that's maybe inside of me. You know?

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  So competitive with yourself? Or competitive with other people that are also doing it?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Um, just competitive cuz I think I, I, I, there was, I, I felt like maybe some people thought this thing like, oh, this guy can't do it.

• 58:36Joe Rogan?

  Ah, interesting.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  I don't think that's, I think there were some people that are maybe like, oh, I'm surprised that this guy enjoys this or likes doing it. But I think there was like

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that this guy can't do it. And I just never had a voice when I was a kid, you know? I never had a voice.

• 58:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  You know, so much of my childhood, I think I just couldn't even speak up for myself. I didn't even know what I wanted to say. I didn't even know what my feelings were, right? I just

• 59:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  I was just like this. I just It, it just felt Tough, you know? And so I think when Yeah, when I started to kinda get into podcasting and have a little bit more of a voice. And then To get to talk to some people that I, that, that, that I felt like were important that weren't getting voices. Like even, like we had a doctor from Gaza on last year. Or this year. And that was like a moment for me. I was like, oh, this is important stuff. You know? Like um, other people aren't putting this voice out there, right? Some people are. But like the mainstream media, I don't feel like was doing a good job of it.

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• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  And it just like-

• 1:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's not what they do, you know? I mean, the reason why we can do what we do is because there's not really anyone over there doing- They never figured this out before. They never figured out that, hey, there's a lot of people that are in their car for hours every day. They're on the train for hours every day. They're in the gym. They're doing different stuff where they want to listen to things. Or when they come home, they don't want to watch late night TV. They want to watch an interesting conversation, you know?

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Joe Rogan?

  That just, they didn't know that that was a thing. That's all that was. We snuck in. I think we snuck in. I think they had no idea. They thought this was just shitty radio.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  And I think my whole life, I think people looked at me and thought, oh, this dude's just fucking shitty radio. Or I felt like that in a way, you know?

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think, like, when was the first time-

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  And I still think it is. My show, I mean, look, I feel lucky to have a show. We work hard, you know, with podcasting. I feel lucky to get to talk to a lot of people. I don't think we do a lot of information type of stuff, you know? And I wish we could do better with that sometimes. I think maybe that's a goal of mine next year is to try to learn more stuff just in the day to day. So I can have conversations that are maybe more important. But then also, maybe that's not what I'm supposed to do. And I'm just supposed to be just having conversations that are fun and so-

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's what you're supposed to do if that's what you want to do. But what I think is the only important thing, the only important thing.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  Is what you wanna do.

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  To be genuinely curious about whatever you're talking about.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:02:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then hopefully be talking to someone who's telling the truth. That's where it gets weird.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Now, sometimes people will be charismatic and they'll be very persuasive, but it turns out they have an agenda and they're not telling the truth. And you might not know that. That becomes a problem.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I realize that. Some people are taking advantage of the fact that they'll come on and I sometimes have been a little bit naive to think that somebody would do that, but people do do that.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%, like heads of state, you know, like if you're gonna have someone who's the president of a country that's in the middle of a war and they wanna come on your podcast and talk, you're not, you're not, you're not gonna get anything objective. You're gonna get them selling that they're the good guys. And that's weird. That's a weird one, because unless you're an absolute expert in what is going on in that region and you know exactly what's true and what's not, and there's two very compelling and very loud narratives. You know, good luck. Good luck sorting out that conversation. I'm not interested in having those conversations.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  But I am interested in having conversations with people that I, that I think are intriguing, you know, that I think are being honest. And whether I agree with them or not, they're being honest and they're intriguing. That's what I like.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think some of that is me learning a little bit more. I mean, I think I do like having stuff where people have more feelings and their stories about stuff, you know? So that's something that I would maybe like to focus on more next year, like people's genuine, genuine human experiences, you know? Like a guy or a woman or a kid, somebody who's been through something, you know, wants to share some of that.

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  So maybe that's something I'll try to get into a little bit more. Um, I don't know. But yeah, I just feel lucky. Like my mom listens to my podcast every week, you know? And we never got to spend any time together when I was a kid, so sometimes that kinda even keeps me going, you know? It's like, she's like our biggest fan and so it's weird.

• 1:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Gotta make her proud.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  It was just so weird when I was a kid, like she didn't have any time and then now she just like, you know, she loves it. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I don't know. And it's like just afforded me a lot of like, just neat opportunities. Yeah, sometimes talking to people, like, we got to learn about like the healthcare last year and how, you know, a lot of these political parties have put forward these, um, like, um, like these presidential, what's it called when they sign something like this is an order, like an executive order, right? That price transparency needs to happen with healthcare, right? And so that was something that I realized was super important to me because, like Bernie Sanders agrees with it, Trump agrees with it, uh, Thomas Massey agrees with it, Ro Khanna agrees with it.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  There's all these people that say they agree with it and everybody says, but it never really gets to where it needs to be, right? So you can go to a place and a hospital can charge you anything for an MRI, right? They're supposed to show their prices like a menu. And if they do that, then they have to compete. You could call two places, this person's like, well, it's 30,000 bucks and this person's like, no, it's 700 bucks. So you're gonna go there.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  But they, they keep it vague so they can like keep the prices really high and then they can keep this whole insurance rigmarole going on.

• 1:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're private corporations. That's what's nuts. And the private companies own hospitals. They're private, you know?

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  So that's probably why they can do it too.

• 1:05:36Joe Rogan?

  That they're there for your best interest. What they're there is to make the most money possible. And to, one of the ways they do that is they're incentivized to give you certain medications financially. Financially incentivized to give you certain pharmaceutical products and they make more money if they do that. I had Mary Tally Bowden on the podcast. She's a respiratory physician. And she, uh, doctor, whatever it is, um, she was saying that if she vaccinated all of her patients, she has a very small practice. She vaccinated all of her patients for COVID, she would have made 1.5 million dollars.

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Like that's, that's motivation. Like that's not.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:06:15Joe Rogan?

  Someone's not gonna, they're not gonna give you objective advice unless they're a really good person like she is. They're not gonna give you objective advice. What they're gonna say is, hey, they say you should take it. I say you should take it too. Because I wanna go, I wanna go golfing.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  I want a BMW and I wanna go golfing, so take it.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  I don't care if you're in a fucking wheelchair in three weeks, had a myocarditis.

• 1:06:39Joe Rogan?

  I want an M5. I've got it picked out already. I want the carbon interior. Carbon fiber accents.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  It's just, yeah, so.

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a trap.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  It's a trap, but learning about like that kinda stuff, like things like that used to be like, oh, this is a little cause that like means something to me, you know? Because then you think, there are people probably right now that are afraid to go get healthcare. Because, and then it messes up your credit, right? Like, the number one cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt.

• 1:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's crazy.

• 1:07:08Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  So now you're in debt and now there's the stress of that, it's like.

• 1:07:13Joe Rogan?

  The also, the problem is, the system is so deeply intertwined in our society that to unwind it now. And to somehow or another start some sort of competent social medicine. But that's the other problem. Is socialized medicine has not been effective anywhere. Like, everywhere else, like. The difference between, it's really a difference between money. Like, if you have money in America and you break your leg, you can go to a really good doctor and you get your leg fixed.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Break your leg, yeah.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  If you have money, if you're using, if you have socialized medicine and you're in England, for instance, I have a lot of friends in England that have. They use the socialized medicine there, they have it in Canada. Like, my friend in Canada, it took her a year to get a knee reconstruction and they did a terrible job of it. They prepared her ACL and she's still, she's fucked. She can't fully straighten her leg out.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, every time she fucking look, yeah, she just moonwalks everywhere.

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  She's got a limp, a noticeable limp, and they just fucked it up. They did a shitty job. And. You know, look, that could happen in America too, but you could get an operation quicker here, but it's really just money. And the real problem with America is that you could have something really wrong with you and you have insurance. And then your insurance denies you coverage for what's wrong with you. Like Ben Askren. You know the story with Ben Askren?

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  I know he's been getting better, right?

• 1:08:32Joe Rogan?

  He's been getting better, but he had a double lung transplant. He had lung, and the insurance didn't cover it. How, how could you not cover that? Guy gets sick, it turns out he's a very rare, like, I think it was like a staph infection or some kind of bacterial infection that was eating his lungs. So they had to put him on a respirator, he was on a respirator for a long time, then they had to give him a double lung transplant. And insurance companies didn't cover it.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, what are you even there for? And then the stress, imagine his wife probably, or who, him, he is in and out of consciousness, he has to call them probably, and just the stress of like, we can't do it, can't you fill out these form, just, it's almost like they just want to kill you with the stress. It's just...

• 1:09:14Joe Rogan?

  They just want to spend the least amount of money possible and make the most amount of money possible.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  But when does it all end?

• 1:09:19Joe Rogan?

  And United Healthcare, there's something about United Healthcare that's attached to this government shutdown bill too. The reason why they were shutting down the guy, there's something about the flow of money to United Healthcare, which is, you know, that company where that guy got assassinated, everybody cheered, because, also because Luigi's kinda hot. Good looking guy.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't see it.

• 1:09:39Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see Luigi?

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  No, I'm joking, yeah, I thought he was looking pretty good, I mean, he's fine, yeah.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Handsome man.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  I like women.

• 1:09:44Joe Rogan?

  Handsome hero.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but still handsome guy.

• 1:09:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm not saying you don't like women, but, you know, I'm not saying you fuck alligators, but you know what one looks like.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Joe Rogan?

  Come on, dawg.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  You're right, that's a good call. Hey, I ain't gay, but I'll hold it in my mouth till the gay guy gets there, you ever heard that?

• 1:09:58Joe Rogan?

  If I told you it's an alligator, you wouldn't be like, "Bro, I'm not gay."

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:01Joe Rogan?

  You would say, "Yes, it is an alligator."

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Dude, my bud, oh, yeah.

• 1:10:05Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm saying Luigi's handsome, and you're like, "I'm not gay." And I'm like, "That's not what I asked."

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  I asked you if you can see things.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Take those fucking shitty fake glasses off. Maybe you can tell Luigi's a handsome man.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Can't tell if they're helping or not.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, a lot of people think Luigi was like some MKUltra thing. They tricked him and hypnotized him and got him to go in and shoot that guy.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's a lot of that going on, and yes, I did have dinner at Candace Owens' house recently, so maybe...

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  You know, I, I have, there's definitely, you know, uh.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  You're conspiratorial.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  A lot of conspiratorial foods on the menu over there, you know? Uh, I don't know if I'd say that. I mean, they had like an unvaccinated quail with like an mRNA demi-glaze, so maybe, you know? Kind of, you think?

• 1:10:51Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they're trying to vaccinate cows. Do you know about that?

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  They, uh.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to give cows mRNA vaccines.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Are they really?

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They're just trying to use the technology to make money. If you really think they're doing it to protect the cows, you're out of your fucking mind. Any of this stuff is just about money. Cows are fine. There's nothing wrong with the cows.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Why are they even doing that then?

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Let the cows eat grass. They'll be even better. That's what they're supposed to be eating. Let them all eat grass. They'll be fine. Occasionally, some cows will get sick. Bru擦losis is real. It's when bison's and cows intermingle, you know? But bison's give cows bru擦losis and it kills a bunch of them, but other than that, fucking relax.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Relax.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Well, it just never ends. It feels like there's everything, there's, there's just always a problem with everything. I don't know. Maybe I'm tripping.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  The worry that people have is that somehow or another that stuff's gonna get into your food.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Well, they're, they're right, probably.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, they're right, because they've already talked about somehow or another getting mRNA vaccines into vegetables. So that you wouldn't even have to get vaccinated. You can get it from your diet.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  They tried to give me a tetanus shot the other day.

• 1:11:56Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't even work!

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  What, tetanus shot?

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  No, the fucking mRNA vaccines. You're putting it in food and it doesn't even work.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm not taking it.

• 1:12:03Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't work when you take it. People aren't even taking it anymore, and now you're trying to put it in food.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  What are they putting it in, you said? Radish? Or what was it? Cucumbers?

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  Radishes? I don't know. They were trying to put it in vegetables. It's like, I mean, I think it's theoretical at this point, but I know Bill Gates was talking about it.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  I just feel it's like, when does it end? Like, when is it like?

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  It ends when they stop making money. As long as they can figure out a way to trick you into thinking that you need something. Or, or, you know, you're not gonna make any money. Did you know that tetanus, well, you were talking about tetanus, did you know tetanus is a bacteria? And it's, it's extremely rare in America. Like, very, very, very, very few people ever get tetanus. You think tetanus comes from a dirty nail, like a step on a nail? No, tetanus is a. The bacteria.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Joe Rogan?

  And it can be cleaned out. And also, tetanus is the, one of the rare vaccines that works as a prophylactic, like after the fact. Like you could get, step on a nail. You don't have tetanus yet. They give you the tetanus vaccine after you stepped on the nail.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  And then you get it?

• 1:13:03Joe Rogan?

  It still protects you. No, it protects you.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:13:05Joe Rogan?

  So you don't need to take it. Tetanus is super rare in America. It's not, you could completely fix it by cleaning out the wound. And if you get tetanus, they just inject you with the tetanus vaccine then. Like, there's no need to give tetanus shots to babies.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were saying, maybe you should get it. And I was like, I don't even know if I've had it, you know? But I don't want it. I don't want anything else.

• 1:13:28Joe Rogan?

  You probably had it when you were young.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I think I had that. But like, you should get it every 10 years. I'm like, I don't know. I don't care. I'll be fine. I'm okay.

• 1:13:37Joe Rogan?

  It's real common in other countries. Like, apparently it's, you say the Congo?

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  What tetanus is?

• 1:13:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a bacteria. I didn't know it was a bacteria. I thought it was something you got from rusty nails. You know?

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:49Joe Rogan?

  But it makes sense if it's a vaccine, that it's protecting you from something that's kind of alive. A vi- like, a virus is kind of alive, right? Like, they don't consider it a life form. But I mean, it seems like it spreads. It gets in a bunch of different people. It needs the person as a host. It seems like it's a kind of life.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  A vi- I mean.

• 1:14:08Joe Rogan?

  It's trying to consume you. It's trying to destroy your body. And you're fighting it off.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:13Joe Rogan?

  And it hops from you to your kids, to your neighbor, to, you know, it's kind of alive. And it kind of needs a person. If it's propagating, right, if it's spreading, like, what is it?

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  A virus?

• 1:14:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, you're, I don't think they consider viruses a life form. But it sounds a lot like a different kind of life form, like a parasitic life form. That's what it sounds like. Doesn't it?

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't think they're saying that it's not. They're saying that it's bad, right, a virus?

• 1:14:40Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think, I don't think they consider it a life form. Like, do they consider viruses a life form? Put that in perplexity. We have a sponsor. We have an AI sponsor.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  I use perplexity.

• 1:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's really good. But let's find out if they consider, put that shit in there. Let's find out if they consider viruses a life form. Because I don't think they do. I think it's considered something different.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm so, ah.

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  I'm so chill. Here we go. Is a virus considered a life form? Virus is generally not considered life forms by most biologists, primarily because they cannot carry out the basic processes of life independently, such as metabolism, growth, or self-sustained reproduction without a host cell. However, this status is debated in scientific circles due to viruses' ability to carry genetic material, reproduce inside host cells, and evolve through natural selection. Ooh. Yeah, I'm with those folks. It's a life form. It's a weird life form. And here's the crazy thing. If you think about it that way, then you gotta think about gain-of-function research. Gain-of-function research is like taking a grizzly bear and go, "That grizzly bear should be on roids."

• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  And you take a grizzly bear and you jack him up on tren and you give him testosterone and cocaine and then let him loose in the woods. That's what gain-of-function research is. And our government was funding that. They were funding making more evil life forms. And that's where COVID-19 came from. It came from our tax dollars that goes off to this lab where they're working on making a life form Why? more vicious to people. What did they want? It's a fucking weapon. That's what I think. But didn't they just use it against us? They, well, I think it got out. I don't think they tried to use it against us. That's what I think. But I think that they 100% are developing these things to dump them on other countries. That's a fact. They've always done that.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  But why, at this point... They've done tons of research that showed that the United States has been involved in stuff like that forever. There was actually bioweapons labs that were in Ukraine when the war broke out, that the United States was somehow involved with. That were... Put that in there. But... Put that in there. What bioweapons labs was the United States involved with in Ukraine? Or, how about this, instead of being leading? Were bioweapons labs discovered in Ukraine?

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Baby girl.

• 1:17:09Joe Rogan?

  Let's put that in first and see what it says. And then I'm gonna ask it, were they funded by the United States? Can I see it?

• 1:17:17Joe Rogan?

  "No bioweapons labs have been discovered in Ukraine, according to the United Nations, the US, Ukraine, and multiple independent experts. The allegations made by Russia and echoed by some Chinese officials involve claims that US-funded laboratories involved in military biological activity were operating in Ukraine, but these claims have been consistently, have consistently been denied and refuted by international authorities." That doesn't mean anything. "Independent investigations and statements by the UN disarmament chief confirm that there is no evidence of a biological weapons program in, in Ukraine." Yeah. Okay. Um, are there any stories online about bioweapons labs discovered in Ukraine?

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it would be this. The allegations made by, yeah, but we don't know that that's true. So here's the thing, if the United States is running bio, or funding bioweapons labs in Ukraine, and it doesn't become a national news item, you think they're gonna come up and say, "You're right, we did it." No, they're not. But if you're gonna, if you're gonna fund bioweapons research in China, and, and a lot of other places, are there stories about the discovery?

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, let's see what it says here.

• 1:18:36Joe Rogan?

  "Stories about the alleged discovery of bioweapons labs in Ukraine have circulated widely, primarily promoted by Russian officials and state media, but these claims have not been substantiated by independent sources or international organizations, nor could they be." Like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna get in there and fucking rat everybody out in the middle of a war? They're gonna kill you. Like...

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, they wouldn't let that out.

• 1:18:59Joe Rogan?

  "Chinese Foreign Ministry and various conspiracy theorists have also amplified these stories, including claims of 26 bio labs and illegal research discovered by Russian forces."

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Hmm, I would hate to work at one of those places.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah. Okay, here's a problem here, right here. International news organizations and independent scientists, including the BBC and experts at King's College London, have reviewed the alleged evidence and found it lacking, noting that the pathogens and documents cited by Russia are consistent with public health research, not weapons development. Okay, public health research is one of the ways that they do weapons development. They do it under the guise of public health research. That's, that's the whole original premise of gain-of-function research. We're doing this so that we can figure out how to heal people. And, and if these diseases do come our way, we know more about them because we've been researching them. Like, okay, so, the problem with the BBC saying it, well, we just found out the BBC's full of shit.

• 1:19:58Joe Rogan?

  That, that whole thing with Trump where they took his speech and they edited it and put apart this more than 50 minutes later in the, in the sentence to end the sentence. Like, they completely changed what he had to say. The, the head of BBC had to resign. This is a giant scandal. So, I don't trust that. But I don't know who's telling the truth or who's not, because if I was Russia and I had invaded Ukraine, I would also say, "We found bioweapons labs, and maybe there weren't any." You know? Maybe it is a lie.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Well, it's the same with like the weapons of mass, it's all, it's like, it's just so hard to know what's real, you know? At our level of just like being a consumer.

• 1:20:33Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find online, uh, a story, so we can pick apart the story that says bioweapons labs found in Ukraine.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  It's tough to know who to tru-, it's just tough to know where to trust things, so I think you just have to-

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  True. But, but there, there's a fact that we have had bioweapons research, and so has Russia. There's, there's a, this is a story that I did when I did that show, Joe Rogan Questions Everything. I, I interviewed a guy who used to be a part of Russia's bioweapons research program. And he explained to me, "How are they creating anthrax?" And they had all these bioweapons available. And I said, "Do you think that there's a possibility that they were making various infectious diseases?" He said, "Absolutely, that was, that was research that was being done." And then we went down to Galveston, Texas, and we went to one of those bio research labs that they have in America. One of those giant crazy labs where everybody wears the hazmat suits and there's tubes

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  that come off their suit, and they're working with like Ebola and all this like super- And his perspective was, what he was worried about was not something made in a lab. What he's worried about is some sort of a natural jump. That goes from animals to people and just wipes us out. That's this was this one doctor told me. I don't. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners?

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• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Oh, I feel like.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  Problem was, I would say that too, if I was in the middle of gain of function research. I'd say this stuff is nothing. Don't worry about this. What I really worry about is chicken pox from chickens.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is that the big thing now?

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Well, dude, in our. I, I, I, I just don't even know. It's like, I don't know if they'd want to wipe us all out though, because then there's nobody for these like dark lords to play with, I feel like.

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they want to wipe us all out, but I think they want to keep us as controlled as possible, as scared as possible. You see what they did in Canada? They just shot 300 ostriches for no reason.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Fuck that. And Canadians, dude, who also have very good posture. Ostrich is probably great posture for a bird, would you say?

• 1:24:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have that crazy neck.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  They have to have that posture, otherwise it'll fall down.

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but still.

• 1:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if your neck was like three feet long, that'd be crazy.

• 1:25:01Speaker 01

  Best posture I've ever seen in the world. Toronto. Oh yeah. If you had a fucking three foot neck, dude.

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Like everywhere you go, your, your neck's like a tail.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Bro, have you seen that?

• 1:25:10Joe Rogan?

  Dragging you around.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  Have you seen those giraffes with the little neck?

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Pull them bitches up, cut.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I have seen that. It's like a cousin of a giraffe. It looks like an antelope.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  It's like a giraffe.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What are those called?

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Like Mexican giraffes or whatever.

• 1:25:23Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no. They live in Africa.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Or a giraffe.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, that's crazy.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  Shawty wanna, uh, look at that bitch.

• 1:25:30Joe Rogan?

  That's weird. Wait a minute, is that? Is that a? That's AI, dog. That's what it looks like. The short neck giraffe native. This looks more fake. Really?

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that looks way fake. They're wearing fucking bowler hats from London.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  They look like. No, I think that's generally genuinely what they look like.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  That's the one right there.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  That's that thug. That's kind of how I'm built.

• 1:25:50Joe Rogan?

  That is a weird giraffe, man.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  It says they're from Wakanda, I don't know if that's real.

• 1:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Oh, from Wakanda, so they're real.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's real.

• 1:25:56Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely real.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Everything, bro, that's the thing you can't even-

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  You can't tell.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Bro, there's no information anymore, it's all just a blender of fucking, who knows? Anything you put in a TikTok, the next story, it's merged your last three searches into a new, into a new Sora is making new things, and it looks so real. It's just like, I don't even know what, if information even me- It's just, everything feels so bizarre, you know? Don't you feel like that?

• 1:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, and it's getting weirder. It's getting weirder and harder to tell what's true.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  By the month, it's getting weirder, and fast.

• 1:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's getting, it's getting very strange.

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  So you gotta lock in, I'm trying to think of the things that just even still feel real to me sometimes, you know?

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  I think, uh, this is a real important time to minimize the amount of time you're online.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  This is, uh, as things get squirrelier and squirrelier, check in every now and then, but don't allow yourself to be looking at that goddamn thing all day.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:49Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's part of what's wrong with us, is we're staring at these goddamn things all day and they're just hypnotizing us with bullshit. And just, at the end of the day, you're confused, aimless, you go to sleep, you feel depressed, you wake up in the morning, you, you get up in the middle of the night to piss, you're like, what is life?

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  You go back to bed, you're like, what am I doing?

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Those things do that. You take away those things and life is pretty normal.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:13Joe Rogan?

  They are amplifiers of anxiety.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  Oh, that's for sure.

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's even like, um, they had, uh, that, like, a lot of these shooters, like, people that have, like, you know, these young guys who become, what's it called when you see stuff online and it makes you more-

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Radicalized.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Radicalized, right? How are some of these companies not legally liable? Like, if you go to a restaurant, right?

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  Um, and somebody poisons you, you could- You could take something up with that restaurant.

• 1:27:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  They poisoned a bunch of them, they're able to sue the restaurant and have some recourse against that restaurant, the food establishment. But that, but these, these entities, like these social media places, like if they radicalize someone and they go shoot somebody or something, there's no like accountability for the company. It doesn't, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, the company is not radicalizing people. And I think it's a, it's a real danger what you're saying because you know what the, what you're saying is you're opening the door to censorship. You're opening the door to the government saying, we're here to protect you so you can't talk about certain things. Because these things can radicalize you. Because anybody's definition of what radicalizes people is, it's, it's very variable, right? Like during COVID, I could have been considered someone who radicalizes people against taking a COVID vaccine. I could have been seen as a science denier and a dangerous person that has to be silenced. You have to remove them from public discourse. So what you're saying by like people getting radicalized, who? That's the problem. Like who's getting radicalized and who's doing it? And what is the real reason why you're getting radicalized? Well, because you, you don't know who the fuck you are.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  So you could be getting radicalized for the better or for the worse too.

• 1:28:49Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  So you're just really getting educated, really?

• 1:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Look, there's people that get radicalized towards, you know, radical ideas of fitness and will and, and discipline.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:28:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, paying attention to Jaco every morning. There's, you can get, what is radicalized? You could be a radical, you could be into radical kindness. You know, you, you get radicalized to just be kind to people.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:09Joe Rogan?

  It's all dependent upon what, what are you talking about and who's doing it? So why would the social media platform be in trouble for doing nothing other than giving people a voice?

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  But the algorithm, is there an algorithm that is certain?

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  That's why it gets weird.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  So that, I think that's more what I mean then, is the algorithm, isn't there some liability to an algorithm?

• 1:29:28Joe Rogan?

  No, but here's the problem. The algorithm amplifies what you like. So you have to decide what you're looking at.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  You know, you have to have some personal responsibility because

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:29:37Joe Rogan?

  Most of my algorithm, particularly like on YouTube, is all just stuff I like. It's all fun stuff. It's all interesting. It's all ancient history stuff. You know, cool cars that people are building. That's it. That's most of it. Fights. Pool matches, professional pool matches, a lot of Muay Thai. No, it's all stuff I'm into. It's nothing is, so like, why is your algorithm fucked up? Because that's the stuff you're clicking on all the time. And a lot of things, I don't know if you could do it on Instagram? Can you do it like, I don't like posts like this, where you right-click on things?

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you can.

• 1:30:06Joe Rogan?

  I know you could do it on Google News Feed.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  You're not adults. Like, if it's a young person, is there any more, is, should there be anything? Like, I agree, there is a lot, there's, it's always personal responsibility. And I think we're probably in a space where, more than ever, personal responsibility, it's gonna be, start to thin the herd, because it's like, who can, you know, have, like, control over their own wherewithal, you know, and what they absorb.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, we have to learn from other people's mistakes, right? And we kind of are better at that than, like, okay, we're better at that as a society than, say, when society's, with alcohol, for instance, than a society where alcohol gets introduced into that society, where they don't have a history of alcohol. Generally speaking, that destroys civilizations.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  You mean if a place does, like, when they gave alcohol to those people?

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, to Native Americans. It's a perfect example. Native Americans had no history of alcohol use. United States troops came through, did two things. One, killed ninety percent of them with disease. So ninety percent of the Native Americans died from disease, because they were exposed to smallpox and all sorts of horrible shit that Europeans carried over with them. So ninety percent of them died from that. And then, they got pushed into reservations, they got, like, they got slaughtered by people with guns, and all, they lost all their land, and then, also, they get introduced to alcohol. So, both, everything gets super depressing, and you get introduced to alcohol. And that is devastating to a society.

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  And to this day, reservations have very high rates of alcohol and drug abuse. Very high rates on Native American reservations.

• 1:31:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:44Joe Rogan?

  But if you-

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  They're really drinking over there.

• 1:31:47Joe Rogan?

  But if you look at us, like, regular people, like, we're talking about alcohol today, right? We're talking about, I don't, I barely drink anymore. I'll have a drink every now and then, and I had one recently. But that's it. Like, you can, you can, I know how to do that. I come from a culture of people who drank. It's common, you know, people drink wine with dinner, it's common, it's normal. You figure out how to regulate it, for the most part. But there's people who won't, right?

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:11Joe Rogan?

  But it's not as bad as when there's- There no one knows what to do because you've never had it before. And then, once you get it, you're you're fucked. That's the problem also with censorship. That's the problem with like, social media like. You're we're the first people to get it. So we're like basically the Native Americans of social media. Like, we're getting it for the first time and it's wrecking our society.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Not the same level that it did in Native Americans because it also carries a lot of positives. It does let you distribute information, you learn about things. There's a lot of positives that come with social media. But also, we're the first people that don't know how to handle it.

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:47Joe Rogan?

  The grandchildren and great grandchildren of us. They will have a much better understanding of what not to do and what to do. Oh, I have an uncle who is a an addict.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  He's a Twitter addict.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  He's a real problem. All he does is yell about politics. He's on his phone sixteen hours a day. He doesn't pay attention to his life. He's losing his job because he's a Twitter addict. There's people like that, just like these people that are drug addicts. But these are the first ones.

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  Got it. I hadn't thought about it like that.

• 1:33:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we gotta learn how to regulate. And I think people are gonna learn, like, a lot of kids are using apps now. That limit the amount of time that they're on their social media for like one hour a day. You know, and.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  Are they, you think a lot of these kids?

• 1:33:26Joe Rogan?

  A lot of kids are doing that. Kids that are that want a better life.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  It kids that recognize that you can waste time. And when you waste time over long, you know, like. Junior high school into high school, you really start realizing it. And you see the difference between people who don't waste time and really get after it and get things done. And then you see the people that are falling by the wayside. And that's a pattern that establishes when you're a teenager, pretty much for the whole rest of your life.

• 1:33:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, I knew people that were kind of.

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:53Joe Rogan?

  Nerd duels in high school that really never got into anything. And they never they never tried hard at anything. And they stayed like that.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think it's hard to make a really, it's hard to make a change in your life, you know?

• 1:34:04Joe Rogan?

  Very hard.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Very, very hard to make a change in how you see life.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then you're not gonna change your life unless you change the way you see life.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you, um, let me think about something else. Sorry. My brain sometimes gets hard to like, keep going. Um, how were the fights, Manny? Did you get fun?

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it's always fun. Madison Square Garden's crazy. It's, it's, there's a few buildings in this world that have like a tangible feel when you're, when you're in them, like woo, this is the Garden. Bro, I've been there a ton of times. I performed there. It doesn't matter. Every time I go there, when I walk into that building, I'm like, woo, we're at the fucking Garden.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:45Joe Rogan?

  You better be on your Ps and Qs, son. You gotta be ready to go.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:34:49Joe Rogan?

  I think fighters feel it too.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:34:51Joe Rogan?

  I think they get extra amped to fight in the Garden.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, Dustin said that he went to watch the fights. Was there a lot of, um, was Anik there?

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  I didn't get to watch.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Anik, DC and me.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  And Megan, Megan was there too, Megan.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  Megan Levy?

• 1:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Oh, she's the best, isn't she? She's such a good person.

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  Her and her husband, they're both.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Joe?

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  Salt of the earth.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  The best.

• 1:35:12Joe Rogan?

  The best.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  Their whole, I mean, I will say this, they have one of the best staffs of any sporting group I've ever been around in my life.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  For sure. Yeah, the UFC staff is very much like a family.

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  Amber, Nicole, that whole group.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  We all know each other so well. We've hung out together so long. Like, everybody's all hugging everybody backstage. It's, it's a beautiful place to work.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  And Bruce is doing his stretches. There's so many little things going on.

• 1:35:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  And you just get to see them all happen. It's always the same people, you know?

• 1:35:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  And, um.

• 1:35:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we travel around the world together. Well, I don't anymore, but I used to travel with those guys around the world. And, you know, they'll, they'll go from here and now they're going to Qatar, uh, this weekend.

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  I was gonna go.

• 1:35:47Joe Rogan?

  Were you really?

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, that's a long ass flight, son.

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  I know. I went over there.

• 1:35:52Joe Rogan?

  If you go, they're gonna make you put on the outfit?

• 1:35:53Speaker 01

  I put on the outfit already once.

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Did you like it?

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  Were you thinking maybe I could live here if I got in trouble?

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  I thought they were, I thought they were gonna take my life and I'm gonna come back, to be honest. Not them, but you just never know in the Middle East what's going on, you know?

• 1:36:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What does that, uh, outfit mean?

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  It, it's called a throbe. I think you can see a picture of me in it.

• 1:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've seen it. They use it to, to attack you for stuff online.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, like.

• 1:36:17Joe Rogan?

  They said you're in the pocket.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  Type shit, boy, look at that shit.

• 1:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it looks good. I like how theirs has a collar. It's a little more modern.

• 1:36:25Speaker 01

  I think you have to put the head thing on, like if you're like listening to music or whatever.

• 1:36:28Joe Rogan?

  Be a real problem if you're grappling with that thing, though. Limit your, uh, hip movement. People could control you a little bit better.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Well, hopefully the person you're grappling with is also wearing it.

• 1:36:36Joe Rogan?

  That's true, but, you know, you're slowing down the game.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right. A hell of a gee.

• 1:36:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a long, you're wearing a bathrobe. You're not even wearing a gee. You're wearing an ankle-length bathrobe.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna go.

• 1:36:48Joe Rogan?

  Think that's gonna get in the way.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  I was gonna go. I was kinda, but yeah.

• 1:36:51Joe Rogan?

  Did you like going over there? What was your experience?

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, I liked it. I mean, obviously, they treat you a little bit different, cuz, you know.

• 1:36:57Joe Rogan?

  You're not gay?

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  That.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Thank you for saying that. And, uh, okay, just so we got that out there. And I am looking for love. I did meet somebody that I thought was kinda cool, but who knows, you know?

• 1:37:08Joe Rogan?

  Um, how did Jewish people feel like going over there?

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  I am sure that they're prob, I mean.

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• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  I feel like they're all kind of in cahoots over there. You don't really know what's going on.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  Qatar is a Muslim country.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that's what I'm saying. Like if I was a Jew and I was traveling around the world right now, I'd be like.

• 1:38:56Speaker 01

  Do I stop in here?

• 1:38:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Maybe I want to fly into Sweden instead, you know?

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  I guess. I don't know. Did Qatar, did they, did any of those countries help with Palestine? I don't know. It was hard to know what was going on.

• 1:39:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think there was talk of, do you say Qatar or Qatar?

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  You're right, Qatar.

• 1:39:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Qatar, yeah. Um, there was talk in the beginning of them helping to rebuild.

• 1:39:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, but this is like when Trump said the wildest shit of all time, that we're gonna take over and we're gonna, we're gonna turn it into the, what did he say? The Mediterranean or the Middle East?

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck are you saying? That was one of those things that maybe made people go, wait, is he really crazy?

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Right, what's going on?

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  How are we gonna take over? How are you gonna take it? It's like when he was talking about Greenland, like maybe we're gonna take Greenland, like hey. What? Why do they want Greenland? Let's ask perplexity. Why is the?

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  Good question.

• 1:39:56Joe Rogan?

  Ask perplexity, why is the United States interested in acquiring Greenland?

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  You think there's something up there?

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  You know what I would think?

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  Let's imagine a world where the climate does radically shift, right? And by the way, I think human beings play a part of it. I've had a lot of these conversations with people. And I saw a video that was criticizing something today saying how, you know, talking about how much money there is in climate change and pushing the climate change narrative. And then that didn't compare to the amount of money that's in the fossil fuel, promoting fossil fuels. That is 100% true, but it doesn't discount the fact that there's a shit ton of money to be made from green energy. That's why they're promoting it. You really can't stop fossil fuel. That's the inside wink.

• 1:40:49Joe Rogan?

  Everything is made with oil. Yes. Everything. Your pharmaceuticals, all of your electronics, plastics, tires. Everything is made with, you ain't stopping oil. However, this idea of reducing carbon footprint, there 100% is money in that. And there's money in the whole green energy narrative, there's money. This is why Bill Gates recently abandoned, he totally backtracked on what he was saying. Oh, climate, climate change? Yeah, he totally backtracked on it. Because people were starting to investigate and looking at, why are you saying this? And are you making money off of this? Do you, are you, do you have like certain stocks that would rise? And where you'd make an extraordinary amount of money if you promoted these certain narratives publicly?

• 1:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's part of what's going on. However, there was giant solar activity this week. And this is what I'm talking about. In Greenland? Yes, no, in America. Giant solar activity where people were seeing the northern lights in Texas. Yes. In fucking Texas. Okay, and a friend of mine who is, well Brett Weinstein, I'm pretty sure I could say he's him. It's not a secret. Um, was telling me like, this is like a significant, uh, like amount of solar activity. Kind of unprecedented and very dangerous. And if it gets bigger than a certain wave, which they can't really predict. Like these solar flares, they just, they don't have a clock on the sun. Like, oh, on November 17th, it'll be 82 degrees. No, it does whatever the fuck it wants. And sometimes it does mass ejections, man.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  And these huge bursts. Just spraying out. And these huge bursts can wipe out satellites, wipe out telecommunications, wipe it out. And change the fucking temperature of the earth. Dude, what the fuck? Um, go back to that Greenland thing. Go back to that Greenland thing, please, because we didn't get a chance to read it. Dude. Uh, United States is interested in acquiring Greenland for a combination of strategic, economic, and security reasons. Greenland's geographic location makes it a critical asset for US defense. Especially for monitoring activities in the Arctic and North Atlantic. As well as for tracking potential Russian military movements and securing early warning capabilities for missile threats. That makes sense. You know what also makes sense? If, uh, it gets green. Because the earth temperature changes. Cause you're investing ahead of time.

• 1:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Greenland maybe used to be green. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I would bet at some point it did.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  I think they discovered Greenland, like officially.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  In like, I wanna say the eighteen hundreds. They, they, they listed Greenland as a continent. But there's maps of Greenland, like detailed maps of Greenland from like the fifteen hundreds.

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  Do you think that they can, do you think that it's controllable or they could start to thaw out whoever owns it all?

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  It's uncontrollable. No.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  So that's not controllable.

• 1:43:35Joe Rogan?

  This is the scariest thing about the temperature of Earth that we need to come to grips with. It, it is not static. It changes and it changes all the time. And sometimes it changes in horrific ways where it turns into a fucking ice age. And if that happens, we all have to move to the equator. And that's what happens. That's what happens in, in human history. That's why you see these like super advanced civilizations that came out of South America. Like, well, they were probably the only people that were able to live. Like normally during the ice age, during the ice age, like if you're in North America, you're, you're a fucking caveman. You're covered in animal furs. You know, you're trudging through the snow.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  You're hiding.

• 1:44:12Joe Rogan?

  You're hiding. Things are hunting you. If you're living in the Amazon jungle during that same time, man, you're probably in like, like, think of like the, with the Aztecs. You know, the Aztecs.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  How tall were the Aztecs overall, you think?

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about the Aztec, Aztec ruins is what I was gonna get to. They found them that way. The Aztecs that lived there, they didn't build them. They found them that way. They uncovered them in the jungle.

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  The ruins?

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  They're a part of a civilization that's even older than them.

• 1:44:41Speaker 01

  So the Aztecs found that plate. They didn't build it.

• 1:44:44Joe Rogan?

  They built some things.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  But they found those things there. So the, their great, great ancestors.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:50Joe Rogan?

  Were probably the ones who built it initially. And if you think about the ice age, if there's any advanced civilizations, it's gonna be in the places that aren't frozen. You know? And all of North America, dude, half of North America was under at least a mile of ice.

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  Hold on, let me think about it. Half of North America was in it, under at least one mile of ice?

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you know how it's flat in like, a lot of Wisconsin? Wisconsin has areas called the driftless areas. And that's the areas where the, where the, these giant glaciers didn't just plow over the earth. So they have hills and mountains and shit. Everything else is just flat. That flat shit, that's from two miles of motherfucking ice, just erasing anything that was there before.

• 1:45:35Speaker 01

  Like a bulldozer.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  So if there was a civilization that lived on earth up there twenty thousand years ago, bitch, you ain't finding nothing.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  You ain't getting shit.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  You ain't finding nothing.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  You ain't getting shit.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  And they're all down in South America. That's what I think. I think that happened. That's why they had such advanced civilizations.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  And so many artifacts and stuff, because that's where it was possible.

• 1:45:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all kinds of weird shit that they don't understand. Like these cities that were in the Amazon jungle that they're discovering now.

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  But what happens, Joe, say it starts to, like, things are, you know, it starts to devolve even more. What happens? Where do we meet up? I know we've talked about this before, I think we said Denver or whatever.

• 1:46:09Joe Rogan?

  I think Denver's lost. I think Denver's lost.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  Okay, so we need to have a strategy.

• 1:46:13Joe Rogan?

  They just started bringing wolves back to Denver, these dumbasses.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Well, I wouldn't mind a wolf or two, but I'm just saying, what do we do, man? That's what I'm saying, like, if it gets weird, we have to have some plan. It's already getting weird, right?

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  It's getting real weird, yeah. It's getting weird and, but the reality, what I was getting to, is you can't control the earth's temperature. You can't control the earth's future, because there's a bunch of factors. Even if you say, okay, let's, let's all agree on something first. Let's agree that human beings have a detrimental effect on earth. We can all agree on that. Let's say, let's agree that human beings overfish the ocean. Let's all agree on that. Let's all agree that we pollute the air, we pollute the oceans, we pollute the rivers. All that is terrible, all that should be fixed. Let's all agree on that. Once we agree on that, that's not the greatest threat to human life. The greatest threat to human life is asteroid impacts, well, nuclear war for sure if we do that to each other. That's number one. But after that, it's asteroid impacts.

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  And asteroid impacts, you can't do a fucking thing about them.

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  You could do something.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh-uh. No, they're not ready yet. They can't do anything yet.

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  You couldn't do something, you could hide behind, you could...

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  You could do something.

• 1:47:21Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:47:22Speaker 01

  You could wear something. You could wear something.

• 1:47:24Joe Rogan?

  No, okay, you're being silly.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  No, I.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  You know that Three Eye Atlas, that one that just passed through? It's the size of Manhattan and it's made out of metal. It's a giant chunk of nickel that's the size of Manhattan.

• 1:47:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  It's billions of years old and it's going, how many thousands of miles an hour was it going? Put that in a perplexity.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Where would you be then?

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  How fast was Three Eye Atlas? It doesn't matter where you are. Everything's dead. The whole planet's dead.

• 1:47:49Speaker 01

  Okay, cuz what happens?

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  You have a few.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  It hits it.

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  You have roaches, some fucking underground mammals that survive.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  But you're saying it hits the planet?

• 1:47:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  And then what happens? That's what I'm asking.

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Everybody dies.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's miles deep into Earth in the first second. Miles deep.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  But does it like impact, like does Earth like shift over 20 feet? Like what happens?

• 1:48:09Joe Rogan?

  It's just a massive explosion.

• 1:48:12Speaker 01

  Oh, you're saying, you're saying there's an explosion?

• 1:48:14Joe Rogan?

  This, not just an explosion, but it creates nuclear winter. Like the entire Earth is covered in, in volcanic ash. Like you're fucked. Everything's dead. Like most of the Earth is dead.

• 1:48:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  So, uh.

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  Maybe I'm not understanding it fully.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Seems like it. It's going approximately 155,000 miles an hour.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  Fuck, you didn't say that.

• 1:48:34Joe Rogan?

  This makes the fastest interstellar object yet observed with its velocity accelerating as it approaches the sun and then gradually slowing as it moves away. So it's 250,000 kilometers per hour. Earlier measurements, uh, as it entered the solar system, recorded speeds of 130,000 to 140,000 miles an hour.

• 1:48:57Speaker 01

  Dang, Saudi Bay.

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  So it's the size of Manhattan. It's made out of nickel. Okay, let's Google this. What is the observed mass of, uh, this object?

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  How big is it?

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  What is the observed mass of, uh, Three Eye Atlas?

• 1:49:14Joe Rogan?

  Observed mass of Three, of it. Okay, let us see what it says.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Observe, look how quick it did that. Just Googled all those articles. The observed mass is estimated to be over thirty-three billion tons.

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  Okay, hold on, let me, let me think about how much that is real quick.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot. Thirty-three billion tons.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  How much is one ton?

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  Two thousand pounds.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:49:42Joe Rogan?

  What else is thirty-three billion tons?

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  That's a great question, dude. Thank you.

• 1:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Very good question, Jamie.

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Look at how research is. Estimated mass of three I-Atlas, thirty-three billion tons, roughly equivalent to the mass of Manhattan Island, which is about three point one miles across, similar in size to the comet's estimated nucleus diameter. This means the comet's mass is roughly comparable to a large city in solid matter terms.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Amen.

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-three billion tons.

• 1:50:12Speaker 01

  Well, I'm going to church.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Three to five orders of magnitude heavier than previous interstellar objects, like Wamumamu.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Five hun- what? Far smaller than the heaviest known comet in our solar system. Look at this one. Um, one C two thousand fourteen, whatever, whatever, uh, which weighs around five hundred trillion tons, with a diameter of about a hundred and twenty-eight kilometers, eighty miles.

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  I didn't think that it was, uh, yeah, I think I had a different concept of it.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  I had something small. I had something like that, like something that's.

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  No, those hit all the time. Things like that hit all the time.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.

• 1:50:49Joe Rogan?

  To find them is Antarctica, because Antarctica's all white, so they go out there and they see things on the ground that are meteors.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  Is it true they won't let us up there? Is that true? That's a myth?

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  No, there's places where you, you're not supposed to fly, but there's a bunch of reasons for that. One of them, I'm sure they're probably doing military research up there, but also, um, so they have restricted airspace. But also, it's really dangerous, and if you crash, they want to have to rescue you. Like, there's nothing up there. Like, you will die, you know, most likely. And they don't, they don't want to have to try to die going to get you. It's sketchy as fuck going up there.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah, it is, dude. I couldn't even imagine it. I mean, I'm trying to think, we used to go skiing or whatever, like in Iowa somewhere, or in. I think it was in Iowa, in the winter, they have like a place called Sundown, I think it was. It's fucking freezing. It like, we went to Whistler Canada one time to go see, freezing cold. I can't even imagine being at the Antarctica. How cold does it get?

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's cold as fuck. It's not just cold, there's no one there. Like, they do these, um...

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  You can't even tell anybody it's cold because there's nobody even there, you just...

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what they're studying up there. They have scientific communities up there. They have like groups of scientists that live up there year round.

• 1:51:56Speaker 01

  That's gotta be weird.

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's gotta be hell.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  And do they get to bring their wives and children up there?

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that John Carpenter movie? The Thing? Bro, you never saw that movie? Kirk Douglas? I mean, uh, not Kirk Douglas.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  Michael Douglas?

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Um, god damn it, Kurt Russell, Kurt Russell.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Hmm, yeah, Kurt Russell.

• 1:52:13Joe Rogan?

  It was awesome. It was, dude, movie's incredible.

• 1:52:15Speaker 01

  I haven't seen that.

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  Fun, horror movie from like, I guess it was probably like the eighties.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  The Thing.

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:22Speaker 01

  That thing, remember that song?

• 1:52:24Joe Rogan?

  There's a comic in that movie. TK Carter. A dude who used to perform at the store. Yeah. He was at the store and then he started getting, he started getting big movies. And he was in The Thing.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  That's wild, yeah, I remember him.

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  I remember that dude, I used to hang out with him.

• 1:52:38Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:52:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and The Thing was, uh, like, at the time, like, one of the craziest special effects ever. It looks kinda corny now.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:47Joe Rogan?

  Because it's goofy looking, but...

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  But maybe they'll remake it or something, sometimes they do that.

• 1:52:50Joe Rogan?

  But it was about them finding like some spaceship in Antarctica, I believe it was. I think it was Antarctica.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  I think right up there.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  Was that where it took place? Yeah.

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  People want us, I think people want us to find something. I think people are looking for stuff right now. People are trying to look for something to give things a little bit more meaning to them, you know?

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  That's also part of the confusion, is everybody's telling you constantly that aliens are real. You're hearing it constantly, and no one's even flinching.

• 1:53:13Speaker 01

  Well, if they are real, they don't give a fuck about us, that's what I'm telling you.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Why do you think that? You been listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson?

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  No, not a chance, A. And B, uh...

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  But B, dude, they're not coming here and visiting, dude.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  They are, I think they are.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Here's what I think about it. I believe that Earth, we used to be this fun place, aliens would come and visit, it's almost like it's this cool tourist park or whatever. And aliens would bring their kids here when they had like holidays or whatever, right? And now, it's like that old place you don't take your kids to anymore, it's like an old theme park that's kinda gone by the wayside. And now, I think aliens are taking their kids, they're traveling other places on their vacations, you know what I'm talking about?

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Where do you think they're going?

• 1:53:55Speaker 01

  Places we don't know, cause we're still fucking here.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  Like Avatar, like Pandora.

• 1:53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're going to dope ass places, like if they pull up here and their kids are like, "You took us to fucking Earth, this place sucks dick, mom."

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  They land in India, they see a river that's clogged up with water bottles, like what the fuck is this shit?

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, people washing their hair in fucking booty water, whatever, like get us out of here.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Get us out of here.

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  This isn't even cool, yeah.

• 1:54:17Joe Rogan?

  No, this place sucks. You know what's cool in India? The old stuff.

• 1:54:21Speaker 01

  So that's what I do believe, though.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  There's a temple in India that is one of the most confusing places I've ever seen. Where, where people describe its mass and like how it's made, it was carved out of a mountain. The whole temple was entirely carved out of a mountain, it wasn't, it wasn't built. They removed the mountain and created this insane, like very symmetrical, incredibly intricate temple. It doesn't show any chisel marks on it, it's like hundreds of millions of tons of rocks have been removed, that thing. Bro, have you ever seen that?

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  No, I have not seen that.

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  I watched a whole YouTube documentary on it last night, what is it called again? Kalisa Temple, dude, it's fucking bananas. So they think it was made, it says 6,000 years ago.

• 1:55:11Speaker 01

  It's chiseled out of rock.

• 1:55:13Speaker 04

  8th century is what I was just reading before.

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I thought it was like much more recent.

• 1:55:17Speaker 01

  That's tough.

• 1:55:18Joe Rogan?

  It's like, they think it's 2,000 years old, right? Is that what they think it is?

• 1:55:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, how old do they think, okay, 756 to 777, current era, so that's like the year 773. Um, so it's even less than 2,000 years old. So they think, I don't know how they know this, but who, whatever they know, whoever fucking made it. How? Whoever 2000 years ago made this, fucking how? See if you can, Jamie, see if you can find a video on it where they can, uh, they describe it or they go through it. Dude, it's nuts. The, the video I was watching last night on YouTube, I'm, I'm, my jaw was open. I was like, this is crazy.

• 1:55:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:55:59Joe Rogan?

  It's so detailed and when you think about the, just the sheer effort of making this, and if one person fucks this up. One person fucks this up, this whole project's ruined because you're not building it. You're carving it out of the mountain. You can't re-carve. And they did it perfectly, but it's nuts, man. It's really, truly nuts.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  You gotta plan ahead with that.

• 1:56:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you think? But how did they do it so well? I mean, how is it so beautiful? How is it so symmetrical? How, how did they, who fucking asked for this to be built? How long did it take? This is nuts, man.

• 1:56:40Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  This is, this whole thing is, it's so impressive. It's so impressive, almost more impressive than some of the stuff from ancient Egypt.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  Because it's all one piece of stone. They, the, the whole thing. Whoever these people were, man.

• 1:56:59Speaker 01

  I, I believe.

• 1:57:00Joe Rogan?

  I wish they wrote books. I wish they wrote books on how they did this and if they have the books, let them out. Look at these pillars, man. Look at this whole thing. It's all carved out of the mountain. It's bananas. Like it's so special.

• 1:57:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's nice.

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Because you, I don't, I, I mean, I'm barely grasping it. I'm trying to put myself in a position of someone who's there physically and looking at this world. I'm, I'm sure I would be blown away. I'm sure you don't have enough time in a month to really go over this place and really get a feel for it.

• 1:57:34Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Because it's, it's so insane. Someone was able to do that that long ago.

• 1:57:39Speaker 01

  Well, the people, people used to have to like, I think the amount of time and, and attention you would put into things, you didn't have a lot of other things taking your attention probably.

• 1:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Also, I think things have happened. And we forgot about those things. And I think things like asteroid impacts, things like supervolcanoes. These ice ages, things have happened and destroyed civilization. And we've forgotten a lot of it and we're relearning it. And we're refiguring it out now. That's what I think. That's how you find stuff like that. Like that, that, that one doesn't even make sense. Like, and also if you make that, who just left it there? Why'd you guys move? Why'd you, where'd you go? Where'd you go where you just left this there? That's nuts.

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm trying to think of why I would leave there.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  That's the Aztecs too. That's, there's a bunch of these structures that people just left. Or they all got diseases.

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  Or wiped out? Yeah, I'm sure they probably got wiped out. Because even if everybody leaves and if, if there's a nice place, right? Everybody leaves, somebody would, some people would stay and be like, no, we're just gonna stay.

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  No, they got wiped out. That's why they're not there. That's.

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  Something would happen. And probably like you're saying, by weather or something big, you know?

• 1:58:41Joe Rogan?

  Maybe weather, um, but I think a lot of it is people traveling with a new disease. I think that, that killed people in giant chunks all throughout history. That, that's what they think happened to the Mayans. That's what also they think happened to the people that lived in the Amazon. These, like the city of Z, the lost city of Z. Did you ever see that movie? Yeah.

• 1:59:04Speaker 01

  With George, uh.

• 1:59:05Joe Rogan?

  Percy Richards, is that what the guy's name was?

• 1:59:07Speaker 04

  Percy Fawcett.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  Percy Fawcett. So Percy Fawcett was this explorer that went down there. And so what happened was a group of people had said they went down to the Amazon and they found these golden cities, these spectacular civilizations.

• 1:59:24Speaker 01

  God, I would like that.

• 1:59:25Joe Rogan?

  And they went back to Europe and told everybody. And then a hundred years later, they returned to try to find these things. At least a hundred. It might've been longer, right? All this shit was gone. Everything was gone. Because those first guys brought over the cooties. They brought over diseases. They brought over diseases and they killed everybody. And they didn't even.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  How were they spreading the diseases though, you think?

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  Just being around them, man. Like, we, Europeans, I shouldn't say we.

• 1:59:50Speaker 01

  And nobody noticed that they had something wrong with them?

• 1:59:53Joe Rogan?

  They were used to it, man. They were used to being sick. They were used to those diseases. You know, they had developed immunity over generations.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  But if you show up at my house with a disease, right, at a cer- like, I'm gonna maybe see that something could be wrong with you, you think? Or you think it's just hidden in your pathogens or whatever?

• 2:00:07Joe Rogan?

  They probably had no fear of it. They probably had no fear of it because they had never encountered it before. But, you know, they do believe it's possible that the Native Americans gave the Europeans syphilis.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  Type shit.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, type shift. Yeah.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  That's it. That's what they say. And I said, "Type shit." That's what kids say sometimes.

• 2:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when my daughter doesn't want to swear, she says, "Type shift."

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  She does? Oh, I like that. That's cool. How are your daughters doing? Good?

• 2:00:30Joe Rogan?

  They're great, man.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  They're awesome.

• 2:00:32Joe Rogan?

  My youngest one loves you.

• 2:00:33Speaker 01

  Aw, I miss- I miss getting that. Did they go to the fight too?

• 2:00:35Joe Rogan?

  No, they're gonna- they're gonna go to a future one, though, I'll let you know.

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  Let me know.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  They like hanging out with you. They said it's so fun.

• 2:00:41Speaker 01

  They're fun, dude. They're so funny. It's just been funny to see- because I just see them incrementally over the years to get to see them grow up and just like-

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  When did we- I was just thinking this. When did we do our first podcast together? Do you remember?

• 2:00:52Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Was it like 10 years ago?

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  No way. Eight?

• 2:00:58Speaker 04

  I would've been, uh, yeah, let's see, I'll look it up.

• 2:01:01Speaker 01

  It's been a while. Yeah, man, I can't believe that we've been-

• 2:01:06Joe Rogan?

  And you, back then, um-

• 2:01:07Speaker 01

  It's all been going on this long.

• 2:01:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would've never imagined that you would go down this road and be really good at it, man. Like, you're real sincere with people. You ask real good questions, you know, you're- you're very present, you know? Like, you're real- you're funny, but you're also trying to really understand what they're saying. That's a delicate balance, you know? Be silly and be funny, but also, like, pay respect to whatever they're trying to say and try to figure out where they're coming from, you know?

• 2:01:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, thanks, dude, yeah. I try to be. I think there's been a couple times where it's like, uh, yeah, I try to be. I don't really know what I'm, you know, like, I don't not know what I'm doing. I mean, I work hard, right? Like, I work hard.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  You figure it out as you go along, right?

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm still kind of figuring it out, you know? I don't know sometimes, like- What like my purpose is in it or um.

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to have a purpose.

• 2:01:54Speaker 01

  You don't think?

• 2:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  Maybe that's a trap huh?

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a trap. I think you should have a direction.

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  I do notice I meet a lot of people and I care about what's going on in their lives.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a direction. That's good.

• 2:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that yeah.

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  That's better.

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  That makes me feel important, that makes me feel not important to me, but of some value, right? Like even last week when we had Gary Sinise on, he was talking about his son, like his son passed away of cancer, like within the past year and uh, just talking about his son, right? Like it was just nice, you know, it was nice for us to sit there together and just talk about his son, right? Like, stuff like that, like I think in me, it just makes me feel like, I don't know, that kinda stuff means something to me.

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  So, do you feel like in your regular life, you're not connected enough to people that are talking to you like that? Is that it?

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Man, that's kind of interesting. I think I do sometimes have a problem with connection sometimes, you know?

• 2:02:43Joe Rogan?

  So you somehow or another can be more connected publicly than you can be privately?

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  Dude, is that so weird you say that? I've thought about that before.

• 2:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I thought about that because of my friendship with you, cause like sometimes you tell me things on air that you don't tell me things in private and sometimes in private, you know, look, I love you very much and I always try to reach out, cause the last thing you want is a friend that maybe is going through some shit, not doing well, and maybe you could have reached out and you didn't.

• 2:03:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  That feeling, it's a terrible feeling.

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, that you could have helped your friend and you didn't help your friend, you know, but you are, you have a hard time expressing yourself in person sometimes, you know? Like sometimes I'd be asking like, like what's, well, tell me what's up, tell me what's bothering you, you know? Tell me, like, how do you feel, what'd you do? How, and there's like a thing where I was almost like a blockade, where you'd rather just like ignore it, you know what I mean?

• 2:03:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  But then, when you're talking publicly, you like to address everything, which I feel, I find very interesting. It's like you almost feel more comfortable exposing various parts of things that you don't like about life or your life, or what's bothering you about life. Publicly, you're better off, you're better at doing that than you are privately with your friends.

• 2:04:02Speaker 01

  I think there's this thing inside of me, sometimes I feel like people don't trust me one on one.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  They don't trust you?

• 2:04:08Speaker 01

  Or there's some trust thing, maybe it's not me, I don't know, I'm trying to think about-

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Like they, you don't trust them, maybe?

• 2:04:13Speaker 01

  No, I don't know, there's, I'm trying to think of, as you're telling, as you're, as we're talking about this, I'm trying to like feel it at the same time and see what I'm feeling about it, you know?

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  Because it's interesting to me, because I love thinking about this kind of stuff, you know, like,

• 2:04:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  And trying to figure out why I operate, or why we operate certain ways, you know?

• 2:04:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think sometimes, um, I don't know, it's hard for me to maybe say what's going on sometimes. Um, sometimes I don't know what's going on.

• 2:04:40Speaker 01

  You know, sometimes I like just, yeah, if I talk with somebody, and then some of the biggest conversations I have are on podcasting now, it's like, you know, that's when I'll talk the most. And so, I'll sit there and have moments that are like, um, that's kind of my biggest conversations.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's kind of the only time you have real conversations. Because every other time you have conversations, there's usually multiple people around and everyone's checking their phone. You know, and everyone's going in and out of the room, and everyone's going to take a leak, like green room conversations. They're real, it's kind of almost like a podcast in and of itself, right? But-

• 2:05:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  But there's also people showing each other funny memes, and, you know, we're all watching videos, fucked up things that happened.

• 2:05:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, listening to music joking around, that's a little bit more of a bigger atmosphere.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, but, but the point is, it's like,

• 2:05:30Joe Rogan?

  you don't have these kind of conversations outside of podcasts. The only time you or I have these kind of conversations is right in front of each other. Where we agree, we're gonna just sit and talk for like three fucking hours with no interruptions.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of weird, but I feel like in that form, you get relaxed. And in that form, you, you talk about yourself, like honestly, you're introspective and open about it. Which I find very fascinating, that you don't do that privately.

• 2:06:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's funny, it is kind of interesting, I don't know why either, I think maybe there's something where like I thought, like, um-

• 2:06:12Speaker 01

  Like I have, like, um, I have to, there's something inside of me that has to be of value or something. I don't know, I'm trying to figure out.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  You don't wanna be a burden, maybe? Like, you don't wanna annoy people talking about your problems? So, here's the thing, like, when you started talking about, like, having issues in life, I was shocked. Cause I've thought about all the times that I'm with you, like, Theo's always the life of the party. We're always having fun, I don't get it. Like, how could you possibly be not doing well? That don't even make sense to me. I was like, everybody loves him, he's so fun to be around. You know, like, why would you not feel good? That don't make sense, you know? So, then I had to listen to you talk, like, in podcasts, and I was like, oh, okay. Well, there's some ways that he talks publicly that you don't necessarily talk a lot privately. So, like, your friends sometimes don't even know if things aren't going so well.

• 2:07:04Speaker 01

  Well, I think for some reason, whenever I started podcasting, I started to kind of have a conversation with myself. For like, sometimes the first time in my life, maybe, where I was like, having like, some dialogue with myself, you know?

• 2:07:16Joe Rogan?

  Cause you did a lot of them solo, too, right?

• 2:07:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably the first hundred or something were solo or something, pretty much.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:21Speaker 01

  And so, I think-

• 2:07:22Joe Rogan?

  So, then you're, you're forcing yourself to do a totally new thing, which is to not just, like, go on momentum, but to actually think about something for like, at least an hour, where you're talking and just thinking about stuff.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that was probably the most fun I ever had in some ways, I think. And also, it was like, it was like a learning, um, and then now, like, people can call in our show and they'll leave voicemails. And so, sometimes we'll listen to those and talk about that kind of stuff. And that's something I wanna get more into, cause that's something that I like, really care about, you know?

• 2:07:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:49Speaker 01

  Um, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know why some ways are easier for me than others. I have thought about that before, though, you know?

• 2:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:58Speaker 01

  I have thought about that. It's the same reason, like, even being like, in a relationship, I remember like, like, when I was, when I was like, like, would get in a relationship with a, with a, with a woman, it was so hard for me, like, look at them. Or like, to be super close, like, that was super hard, but it was easy for me to have a microphone and talk to people in a group.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  You know, like, there's some things that are just like, like, I just feel like, a lot of like, pressure, I feel like, when I was in, like, that kind of situation, like, um, I think there was something about it, like, if somebody, uh-

• 2:08:33Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think there was always a part of me like when I was young, like if I looked

• 2:08:38Speaker 01

  if I looked somebody in the eyes or something like they weren't gonna, they weren't gonna believe me.

• 2:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:08:43Speaker 01

  Does that make any sense at all? Is that, I know it's a weird thing to say, but-

• 2:08:46Joe Rogan?

  No, it does make sense.

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  There was a part of me like-

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm not trying to like self pity or like look at like, you know, do I seem like I'm being self pity?

• 2:08:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  Okay, good. Cause I like to examine stuff, but I'm not like, you know, being like woe is me. I'm just trying to like look at it, right?

• 2:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you gotta think, as a kid, growing up, you had a lot of negative interactions with people, you know?

• 2:09:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, nobody ever looked at me. Nobody ever looked at me and was like, what's going on with this kid? Or looked me in the eyes, or like people were busy and working and like, just trying to keep us surviving. So I think later when I got into relationships and you'd be right there with a woman and they'd be looking at you, it made me really nervous and scared. Cause you're like, damn, these bitches are pulling up.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  You know, that shit was like, like, baby girl, chill.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  You weren't used to intimate relationships.

• 2:09:32Speaker 01

  Right, so intimacy made me super uncomfortable, right?

• 2:09:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, you weren't used to trusting people.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and probably not even used to really trusting myself. I don't even think I knew who I was.

• 2:09:41Joe Rogan?

  And probably not used to people being nice to you. You had to get used to, accustomed to people being nice to you.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  Well, we grew up in like a scary place and so I felt like I wasn't sure if people were gonna be or not, you know? And so I think that made it like, pretty tough when I was young.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  But yeah, I don't know. Some of it, it's been an interesting, it's been an interesting experience, you know? And that's life. It's just like-

• 2:10:02Joe Rogan?

  Life is an interesting experience. It really truly is. You know, but it all, it can be awesome and it can suck, and the reason why it's awesome is cause it can suck. Like that's, you need them all.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  While we're human. And I think that's, we have a, we have only so much sand left in that hourglass. Where the humans are on the way out. I know a lot of people hate it when Peter Thiel says it, like, Peter Thiel is a terrible person, he's evil, he's-

• 2:10:29Speaker 01

  You think he is?

• 2:10:30Joe Rogan?

  No. I think he's just telling you the truth. I think he's, you know, when they said, do you think human beings should survive? And he had like this long pause.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I remember.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  And then the interviewer was like, the answer is yes. The answer is yes. Which is not how you're supposed to do an interview. Well, at least not how I do it. I would let him talk as long as he wants. Like, I would let, if you watch my podcast I did with him, it's these long ass stammers. Where he's like, um- Uh, everything he does, he wants to be very careful before he answers it. He wants to consider what he's saying. If you ask me the same question, is it important that humans survive? Okay. Is it important that Australia Pithecus survived? It's not. Is it important that Neanderthal survived? It's not currently, currently not important. Is it important that humans stay in this form? It's not, it's not gonna be.

• 2:11:21Joe Rogan?

  If we're gonna evolve to something way better than this, how many people go, I miss the old days when you could lie? And you couldn't read minds and people were a lot more rapey? No, no one's gonna say that. No one's gonna, I miss the wars. I miss stealing and credit card fraud. I miss the good old days of a rigged stock market.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  When the Jets won?

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No, no, no, no one's gonna say that. They're, they're gonna move on to what's next. So Peter Thiel's right. It doesn't mean I don't love you. It doesn't mean that being a person isn't important to me. Yeah, it is to me because I'm a person, but I'm also, if I step outside of being a person and I'm, I look at where this thing is going, I'm like, it's going in a different direction. It's not going in the direction of-

• 2:12:03Speaker 01

  We thought it was.

• 2:12:04Joe Rogan?

  mRNA vaccines and lying politicians. It's not, it's not going in that direction. It's going in some sort of digital god direction. And we're either gonna join on- Fucking real quick, real quick, like within a few years. We have, I, I think, what is it, 2026 almost? We're real close to that. I think by the time 2030 rolls around, it's a rap.

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Bet.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  It's a rap.

• 2:12:25Speaker 01

  Do you think that money will have any value at that point or no?

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what it's gonna mean anymore. And the problem is gonna be, some people are gonna be in control of assets. Some people are gonna be in control of money. See, money is just, right now mostly, if we're not on the gold standard, what is money? If, if your bill doesn't represent, you could go to Fort Knox and they'll give you a brick for whatever that money, you know, they'll give you a brick of gold that's worth that money. If that's not real, if we don't have that anymore, and if we're on some sort of digital thing, and if they can just spend money and then inflation rises and all this money that we spend on wars and all this other crazy, it's not, where, where, where does it go, come from? We don't have any money. We're 37 trillion dollars in debt. They just print it up. And if they just print it up, that makes money less and less valuable. And that's what inflation's all about.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  And at some point in time, that's just ones and zeros. When you have quantum computers, that are basically like digital gods and they're in charge of all the assets and all the money of the world, and they're not human. They they're they're not human and they're they're just gonna stop it all. They're gonna say, no, we'll decide how much resources you get to stay alive for as long as this body lasts. Because you're not breeding anyway. We're we're our fucking population is dropping off of a cliff. Overpopulation's a real problem. It's not, we don't, we don't have the the the correct levels in most giant countries like Japan.

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Japan is not in a restorative level. Like, they're not even close.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  They're disappearing.

• 2:13:59Joe Rogan?

  They're they have a real population collapse problem. South Korea, a real population collapse problem. Eventually, that's gonna come here. That was one of the arguments that they had to keep the border open. That was one of the Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi arguments. You know, we're not having enough kids. We need to bring people in. Like, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up.

• 2:14:17Speaker 01

  There's no way I can look at Chuck Schumer and think he's a good guy.

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  He looks like a great guy.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you asked a baby who'd been here one day, who's a bad, pick a bad guy out of this.

• 2:14:27Joe Rogan?

  Bro, did you ever see the video when, um?

• 2:14:29Speaker 01

  It's fucking dark out there, man. That's why we just gotta love each other and do the best we can. Have a nice creme brulee, hug a buddy, tickle your friend or whatever, tell him he's gay or something.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  That's a good move.

• 2:14:40Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  I just opened up my Instagram and he popped up immediately.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  You're lying.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  I, no, I'm not lying.

• 2:14:44Speaker 01

  You were lying. What's he trying to sell you? Some bullshit?

• 2:14:47Joe Rogan?

  It's it's something important. He accidentally said the quiet part out loud about the Epstein files.

• 2:14:52Speaker 01

  They all are doing that, dude.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  Alright, let's see what he said. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

• 2:14:58Speaker 01

  They got me, these motherfuckers.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  They got me.

• 2:15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, how how much longer does Israel let us stay alive, do you think? That's a big question.

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Why would they?

• 2:15:07Speaker 01

  What did you say? Is that AI?

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  What are you saying?

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  That's Sora?

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Fuck are you saying?

• 2:15:10Speaker 01

  I didn't say anything.

• 2:15:11Joe Rogan?

  What are you saying?

• 2:15:11Speaker 01

  Huh? Don't want Israel out of Sonya.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, he loves you. Don't worry about it.

• 2:15:16Speaker 01

  Good call.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Fuck are you saying, son?

• 2:15:19Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, was it so much fun?

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  What did he say about the Epstein files?

• 2:15:22Speaker 01

  What did he say?

• 2:15:24Joe Rogan?

  Let's hear what he said. He looks great.

• 2:15:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's been drinking somebody's blood.

• 2:15:27Speaker 06

  These the last four years when President Biden was in office.

• 2:15:30Speaker 01

  Well, that's the question every American is asking. Not every American, but so many Americans are asking. What the hell is he hiding?

• 2:15:40Speaker 01

  Um, well, where are they?

• 2:15:42Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's, that was a useless clip.

• 2:15:44Speaker 01

  This whole thing's all bullshit now. It's all BS.

• 2:15:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, it's fun.

• 2:15:48Speaker 01

  You think he's alive? You think Epstein's alive?

• 2:15:50Joe Rogan?

  I do not think so. No, no, I think they killed him. If I had to guess. There's too much circumstantial evidence that leads me to believe that it was an assassination. You know, I know a lot of people think that he committed suicide. A lot of very smart people that I know think he committed suicide. I'm like, there's too many convenient things. The cut wires, the, the security cameras, rather, not working. They weren't cut, right? They just stopped. They didn't function. Security cameras didn't function. Um, the fact that he had shared a cell with this giant fucking former, uh, cop who was a murderer, who had killed multiple people, just giant roided up cop. This is his cellmate. Like, if you wanted to get somebody, he'd look, "Bro, extra Twinkies. Take this guy out."

• 2:16:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, it wouldn't be hard. He's already killed a bunch of people. He was a drug dealer. Did you ever see the guy? Did you ever see the guy who was his, his cellmate?

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  No, but it's like, it's kind of hilarious. It's like when you're a freshman in college and they just put you with somebody you know?

• 2:16:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, if you wanted to get, you wanted to get someone killed, you have a, you have a high-profile witness, okay? High-profile witness in the craziest sex trafficking conspiracy of all time. Where a guy who may or may not have been an intelligence asset, or an intelligence agent, or whatever the fuck he was, from whatever country, this guy is, he's arrested for sex trafficking to elites. And then you put him in jail.

• 2:17:09Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 2:17:10Joe Rogan?

  With that guy.

• 2:17:11Speaker 01

  I thought that was a guy that fought Mike Tyson. Remember that dude who read that poem?

• 2:17:14Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you put him in jail with that guy. All you have to do is get that guy cigarettes and steroids. You tell him, "I got you Marlboro Reds and, and tren. I got you testosterone replacement for life, even though you're gonna still be in jail."

• 2:17:27Speaker 01

  I got you some Marlboro fucking Test 200s.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  Dude, he was found guilty of killing four men. And they put him in a cell with Epstein. Look at the size of that fucking savage.

• 2:17:37Speaker 01

  Big guy.

• 2:17:38Joe Rogan?

  Giant fucking muscle-bound, steroided-up dude, and they put him in a cell with Epstein, and Epstein got strangled. Well, well, uh, I'm not Sherlock Holmes, but I think there might be a connection there.

• 2:17:53Speaker 01

  Epstein was probably trying to slurp him. I bet that dude was such a pervert, dude.

• 2:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, if he didn't kill him, then somebody killed him.

• 2:18:00Speaker 01

  I bet he was such a pervert.

• 2:18:01Joe Rogan?

  I think somebody killed him. Retired Westchester cop charged with killing four in cocaine deal after bodies dug up on his property. Bro, he buried them in his backyard.

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:10Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy motherfucker.

• 2:18:12Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good gardener, dude. That guy's fucking composting. What are you even talking about?

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  True, it's a better way to deal with, they're already dead. What are you gonna do, let him go to waste? Or bring him back to Mother Earth?

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  Those are leftovers. That guy's Italian, dude. They love leftovers.

• 2:18:23Joe Rogan?

  How deep you think he dug it? I bet he was pretty lazy.

• 2:18:26Speaker 01

  That guy's pretty jacked. I don't know.

• 2:18:28Joe Rogan?

  I bet he got tired, though. They don't have good cardio.

• 2:18:30Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 2:18:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of cardio involved in digging.

• 2:18:33Speaker 01

  Two feet?

• 2:18:34Joe Rogan?

  How many bodies? Four bodies? Bro, four bodies is four six-foot graves? Do you think he did a mass grave all on top of each other, or do you think it was respectful? And made four individual holes?

• 2:18:45Speaker 01

  I bet it was more like, um, you know, when you open up a box of chocolates, like that kinda. I don't think it was like a tea or whatever. Like, you know what I'm saying? It was like a...

• 2:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:53Speaker 01

  Or a four pack of cannolis or whatever?

• 2:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Right there.

• 2:18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:56Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:18:57Speaker 01

  Take the lid off.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  You see feet.

• 2:18:59Speaker 01

  Just a dusting of confectioners' sugar on them, not much.

• 2:19:02Joe Rogan?

  Cocaine deal went bad. Fuck, roided up cop. And but imagine...

• 2:19:06Speaker 01

  That's horrible.

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  But imagine you are the most high-profile person being charged.

• 2:19:13Speaker 01

  They put him in there on purpose with that guy.

• 2:19:14Joe Rogan?

  A hundred. How could they not?

• 2:19:18Speaker 01

  They did.

• 2:19:19Joe Rogan?

  How would you not, like, why?

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  There'd be no reason to put him with anybody.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  If you worried about the guy dying?

• 2:19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Why would you put him in the room and lock him in a bedroom, a tiny little bedroom?

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:30Joe Rogan?

  With a roided up murderer?

• 2:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Just stop and think about that. You're in a room smaller than this fucking studio that you and I are in right now, with a roided up murderer. You're sleeping with that guy.

• 2:19:41Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  And you wind up getting strangled. Oh, you hung yourself?

• 2:19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. How would you sleep? Say you're in a, say you have to go to jail, right?

• 2:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Probably wouldn't sleep.

• 2:19:49Speaker 01

  I know, but I'm just saying, Joe, if you had to go to jail, right? You're in jail for something that you've done or didn't do. Doesn't matter.

• 2:19:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:19:56Speaker 01

  How do you sleep at night? And there's a big dude in there.

• 2:19:58Joe Rogan?

  You sleep with your mouth open, so he doesn't have to force it open.

• 2:20:02Speaker 01

  Sleep like that. Oh, no, no, bro. That's crazy. But do you sleep with your butt against the wall or away from the wall?

• 2:20:09Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  You sleep on your back or your...

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Depends on what kind of pervert this dude is. He might be one of them dick sucker guys. He just wants to suck your dick while he jacks off. You know, then you'd want to sleep with your ass to him. Like, "Turn over, suck your dick." Like, "No, I'm trying to sleep."

• 2:20:27Joe Rogan?

  "Hey, I told you I'm trying to sleep." Bro, it's all, it's crazy. And then you find out that prisons are private too? What? Like, people are, there's a business in, in having jails? So then you find out that prison guard unions are also responsible for keeping marijuana illegal? They, they get involved in it too? Prison guard unions? Because they want to keep the work coming?

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  But it wa, like, it just feels like at some point, how... Do you think it's always been this way through history where people have felt like it... Do you just feel like such a, like a peon of like, some corrupt financial system? Do you think it's always been that way? Um, or do you think this is like, kind of like a highlight of it? For America?

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is, it's worse than it's ever been before, for sure. And the United States is worse than every other country when it comes to incarcerations.

• 2:21:13Speaker 01

  Of course, it's a business. They wanted to keep it busy.

• 2:21:16Joe Rogan?

  In the UK, they, they probably could use a few incarcerations. They're letting people loose that are doing horrible shit. And they're not enforcing crimes over there. That, that place is getting real squarely. But, you know, the United States, half the people are in there for nonviolent drug offenses. Half of them, right? I think it's that's, I think that's the number. Put that into perplexity. What percentage of people in American prisons are there for nonviolent drug offenses? I think, I think it's like half. So it's basically...

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's, it's a byproduct of prohibition that's led to millions of incarcerations. Where people are locked down for the rest of their fucking life.

• 2:21:55Speaker 01

  I would hate that shit, dude.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Because somebody wants something and you don't think they should be able to have it. So you will arrest people selling to them? And you will lock them all up for possessing it.

• 2:22:06Speaker 01

  If I.

• 2:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Forty-three, forty-three percent of federal prisoners in the United States are serving time for drug offenses which are predominantly nonviolent. Additionally, about seventy-two percent of federal prisoners are serving sentences for nonviolent crimes, including drug offenses with a significant portion related to drug possession and trafficking.

• 2:22:26Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-two percent, seventy-two point, in federal prisons, seventy-two point one percent of inmates are incarcerated for nonviolent offenses. More than half, fifty-five percent in federal prisons, serving time for drug offenses. So forty-three percent of federal prisoners in the United States are serving time for drug offenses, but fifty-five percent are serving time for drug offenses in the summary of key data. So it must be like, this is what's happening when AI is drawing from multiple different sources, I think, they're giving you different numbers. So it's somewhere between forty-three and fifty-five percent.

• 2:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's interesting, like, I guess you don't know which ones are like weed, which ones are cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, that kind of stuff that's, you know.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Look at this type of offenses, the majority of drug-related incarcerations involve possession, which is classified as a nonviolent offense. So, um, put this, um, other than drug offenses and drug possession, what percentage of people are in jail for nonviolent crimes?

• 2:23:28Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Put that in there.

• 2:23:30Speaker 04

  Like, discount drugs?

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, without, other than, other than drug offenses, what percentage of people are in jail for nonviolent crimes?

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  I gotta get a family, I think.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that would be good for you.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's see, nonviolent.

• 2:23:57Joe Rogan?

  What does it say? Okay, other than drug offenses, about twenty-five percent of the daily jail population nationally is incarcerated for low-level nonviolent offenses, including misdemeanors and public order offenses.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  Thirteen percent are there for property offenses such as burglary. And around eleven for public order offenses, nonviolent infractions such as weapons charges. The problem with that is, property offenses like burglary can lead to violence. Like, that's the, that's next door to violence. It's not violent, but like those guys that got shot breaking into that guy's house. As soon as you're breaking into people's property, you're getting super close to violence.

• 2:24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's viol- I mean, it's like, if you're inflicting like fear on somebody that's in their own home, fuck you dude. That's pretty violent to me.

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not violent in that you're hurting a physical person, but you're breaking into their house and anything goes once you break into someone's house. You know, everybody knows that. You break into someone's house, anything goes. They don't know why you're there. They don't know that you're just a petty thief. They have no idea they're gonna fucking shoot you. We all know that.

• 2:25:01Speaker 04

  If the numbers were getting small leftover, I'd Google the other thing, the opposite. Or not Google, sorry perplexity, the opposite thing. How many are in for violent crimes?

• 2:25:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:10Speaker 04

  Sixty-two percent in state prison, but only like seven to ten percent in federal.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Interesting.

• 2:25:18Speaker 04

  Most federal inmates are serving sentences related to drug and public order defenses.

• 2:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's nuts.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's just-

• 2:25:24Joe Rogan?

  That is so nuts, man. It's like, that-

• 2:25:27Speaker 01

  But you think it's weed? I mean, what do you think it is?

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it's probably cocaine. Cocaine's the big one, right? Cocaine laced with fentanyl. And then there's pills, and then there's meth. Meth is a big one too. Those are the ones that everybody's really terrified of. No one's really- The marijuana thing is a disingenuous argument. Cause the marijuana thing is really, there's a bunch of special interests that want marijuana to stay illegal. The actual people that think that marijuana is dangerous are pretty small. And they're not totally wrong. This is a very important point. Marijuana is not completely safe. Just like alcohol's not completely safe. I think there are certain people that, for whatever reason, the way they're wired, marijuana can fuck with them, and badly. And there's some evidence that it can trigger psychosis. Or, yeah, or, or, um-

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Just some sort of a psychotic break. There's, there's real evidence of that.

• 2:26:18Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely dude. That shit, some of that shit's bad off dude. I've taken some shit. Dude, I'll-

• 2:26:23Joe Rogan?

  Powder or crack cocaine offenses, go back. Account for more than 54% of drug offenders. So that's most of it. And then there's meth, 24%. And marijuana represents 12%. But I guarantee you that marijuana thing, that's dudes who are growing. You know, you're growing and dealing if they're hitting you up in federal prison. Uh, heroin offenders account for 6%. That's weird. I would've thought it would've been higher. Just 6% for heroin. Cause they're so chill. They never get in trouble. They never get caught.

• 2:26:55Speaker 01

  But the family that made, but the family that did that, uh, the opioid epidemic is still just out and about.

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Sackler family is out and about.

• 2:27:02Speaker 01

  Sackler family's still out and about.

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

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• 2:29:02Speaker 01

  The ripple effect of that through families?

• 2:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, suicides, drug addictions, families falling apart, lives destroyed.

• 2:29:11Speaker 01

  Where do you think people find a sense of purpose these days, Injo? Because it certainly feels like the fabric of like some of America, it used to feel like that gave us a lot of purpose, right? And some of that feels like it's not there anymore. Do you feel like that that's a true statement? Or what do you think?

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think this is also part of the problem with social media is that we feel that way.

• 2:29:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  And while, while we feel that way, that everything's falling apart, we still have our neighbors, we still have our friends, we still have the places we go. We still have all the community that we always had. You know, we still have the mothership. We still go to nice restaurants. You still hang out with your friends and watch the game. You're still like alive on earth. But you're, you're so overwhelmed by this fucking constant onslaught of bad news.

• 2:29:49Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  That you're freaking out always. But, but then you got ICE raids where they're, you know, they're taking people that are American citizens and they're scaring the shit out of everybody and they're...

• 2:29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, they made me the video thing. You see that thing where they put them on the video?

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that was crazy. They didn't even ask you.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  Oh, it was really scary for me.

• 2:30:07Joe Rogan?

  You were just joking around because you were talking to a guy who's talking, who's his friend. And this was quite a while ago too, right? When was that video?

• 2:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. I, I, it could have been like a year and a half ago or something. I don't remember, but that was crazy.

• 2:30:20Joe Rogan?

  But it was a, dude, it was a joke, right?

• 2:30:22Speaker 01

  She's like a friend. I don't know if she said a friend of mine got deported. I can't remember what she said. But she's like, what, do you have anything to say to him? Right? And I was like, bye, you know?

• 2:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:30Speaker 01

  I'm clanging around. I have no idea if it's real or not. I have no idea.

• 2:30:32Joe Rogan?

  You have no idea. It's literally someone just handed you... A phone and then Homeland Security was that what it was?

• 2:30:39Speaker 01

  You had to put it up online and it was after the Charlie Kirk thing. Yeah. And so then I was like super scared. You remember? Remember I was texting like you. I was just texting people to make sure everybody's like, I didn't know if they were like just gonna kill people that had been on Tik Tok or whatever. I had no idea what they were gonna do.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  I just can't believe they did that with you where they just put it in there as if like you were endorsing that.

• 2:30:59Speaker 01

  Well, it just kinda, and it was just a scary time. That was the same time as um after the Charlie Kirk thing.

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Who greenlit that?

• 2:31:06Speaker 01

  Probably just some fucking trap beat con artist or whatever.

• 2:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Like if a company did that, you could sue them. You know what I'm saying? Like if it was privatized, like if ICE was a private company. And that was the people that the United States hired to get rid of illegal immigrants and they used you, you would sue them. You could sue them.

• 2:31:25Speaker 01

  Well, it was just scary.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  But the government can just put that up there and then what did you do? You had to formally request them taking it down?

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, to have an attorney to get him help to take it down.

• 2:31:34Joe Rogan?

  How long did it take to take it down?

• 2:31:35Speaker 01

  I think like 48 hours or something. It had like 30 million views over a couple of platforms.

• 2:31:39Joe Rogan?

  And how many people even know it was taken down until they just heard you say it?

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  Of course not.

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  I I knew because you told me, but I couldn't believe it. When you first asked me what I should do about this, I was like, ah, it's probably nothing. And I was in the car and I didn't watch it. And then I got to the club. Then I talked to you from the club and you're like, you didn't see it? I was like, no. And then I saw it. I was like, oh my God, what the fuck are they doing? Like I. It's like, that's not how you envisioned the government? The government made a hype video?

• 2:32:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were making like deportation hype videos with trap beats and shit. And I was like, what are we doing? That's what I'm saying. Everything is turned into like the WWE. It's none of it's real.

• 2:32:20Joe Rogan?

  It's 100% that Mike Judge movie. It's Idiocracy.

• 2:32:24Speaker 01

  Oh, Idiocracy, yeah.

• 2:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:25Speaker 01

  But yeah, that was scary, man. Cause then I got a look, cause it was just like a lot of threats and then it then and then things got like, then it was just kind of that, that made me super, that made me kind of paranoid. And then my mom was visiting and we went to the doctor. I went to the doctor. I was just getting something looked at or something, you know? And I was in the doctor's office and.

• 2:32:47Speaker 01

  Uh, there was a nurse asking me questions or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then she's like, I got, I have something for you. I was like, huh? And she's like, oh, I got, I brought you something. Can I give it to you? And I was like, I'm at a doctor's office, like something she'd made something. I don't know.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  For you?

• 2:33:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:33:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she's a fan?

• 2:33:04Speaker 01

  Something. And normally, I think it might have been like, okay, let me like, but I was just like, it was such a weird time. And my mom was visiting and it was like, after the Charlie Kirk thing, it was just super scary. You just didn't know what was going on. Like, watching that guy get killed was crazy. Like, it was in.

• 2:33:20Joe Rogan?

  You know what's crazy to me is the way people reacted. That scared me just as much as watching him get shot.

• 2:33:27Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, yeah. And let me think about that in just a second. I'm just thinking through the end of this. If you don't mind, real quick, sorry. I know you're not interrupting me.

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no worries.

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  So I'm in this doctor's office and it was just weird, you know, like I'm at the doctor. Maybe it felt like nothing was safe, like, like it compounded on my head, like, oh, nothing's safe. Right? No place is safe where like, cause I'd just given this girl like medical information. I'm like, is this okay, you know? And so I talked to the doctor and it was all cool and stuff and like, um, but then I go outside and I was sitting in my car. My mom was out there with me and like, it had just like been a lot, like a lot of stress.

• 2:34:02Speaker 01

  And I'm sitting there, I kind of was like, kind of tearing up, talking to my mom and just like, you know, I told her what happened in the doctor's office, you know? And, uh, and it was after the DHS thing, just a lot of stuff that felt like, um, you don't have any, there's no, uh,

• 2:34:17Speaker 01

  you're solid, you're, no one, I can't think what I'm saying. Like, you're not safe. Like, there's no.

• 2:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think you think that way in particular because you're famous. So what you, what you felt like you were having a normal professional experience at a doctor, and then all of a sudden it became a fan experience where you're kind of trapped.

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  Right. That's what it felt like. And it's a doctor where you're supposed to trust like you can be at a doctor. And I'm sitting there with my mom and she kind of like put her, put her hand on me, you know? And she's like, you know, everything will be okay. And, um, and then I look up out of the window and there was some young man, literally this far from my window, with his phone like filming me. And it was just like, it was just like this, it was just like, that was like a tough time. Where I think everything, I just got kind of paranoid.

• 2:34:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a weird thing that people think is totally normal to do. Just point a camera at people and film them because they're famous at a doctor's office.

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:08Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, I just want to put it up on my Instagram and I'm going to get 300 likes. Look. Here it is, me and Theo motherfucking Vaughn.

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:35:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm outside, he's getting his pancreas looked at.

• 2:35:19Speaker 01

  That's crazy, dude.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  They could break your medical information.

• 2:35:24Speaker 01

  It felt like it was a movie, though, and they were trying to break you, like, it felt like this, like, a couple weird beats in a movie.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  That's a personal thing, though, that's a personal thing with you because you're famous. That's, that's one of the reasons why you think that everything's falling apart. Because you think everything's falling apart for you because you're dealing with the fact that you're crazy famous. That's, that's why you have this elevated sense of everything falling apart. Like, look at the example that you cited. A lady who loves you, who's a doctor, but she wants to, she wants to give you something. And you thought, man, I thought I was just at a doctor, now I'm trapped with some person. Because you get, you feel like you're trapped a lot, trapped a lot, talking to crazy people or people that want something from you, people that are grabbing at you. That's what it is. That's why you personally feel like everything's falling apart. Because you're having a hard time navigating your new situation, you know? And then also, your new situation is very different than just you as a comedian.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  Because this new situation is you voicing your opinions about things. And some things controversial and some things not so much. But then people enjoy it, and so it gets a lot of attention, and when it gets a lot of attention, you also get a lot of haters. Um, you're gonna get a lot of jealous people, you're gonna get a lot of people that just disagree with your choices and guests. You got a lot of people that think that what you're doing is dangerous, there's a lot of, like, really fucking idiot, really idiotic opinions that people attach to you that don't make any sense, but they're still out there. And so you're dealing with that, too, and that's a new thing that you're dealing with, that you never dealt with before. And it's part of why you, you have this accelerated thought that everything is falling apart.

• 2:36:58Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:36:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's falling apart as bad as everybody thinks, but I think it's something that, that...

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  It deserves consideration. Like, we could, this all could fall apart. And it could fall apart in a lot of, like, very bad ways. And, uh, there's a lot of natural ways it could happen, like we talked about before, but it could also be self-inflicted. And at all costs, we have to avoid the self-inflicted thing.

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  And the only way to avoid it is to not be on a side. You can't be on that side or this side, but instead, be on the side of the greater good of everybody. And there's, that's possible, too. We just, you have to force politicians to do that.

• 2:37:33Speaker 01

  You know, but is that gonna happen with politicians? You know what I mean? Look at Eric Adams this morning. He just did their, whatever that thing was.

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  What did he do?

• 2:37:38Speaker 01

  He like praised, he's like thanked, said he served Israel the best he could. It's like, I don't even know if he feels like America-

• 2:37:43Joe Rogan?

  Probably wanted a check.

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  He probably did.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Got a nice check.

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  Probably flew over to get that bag.

• 2:37:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, flew over, got the bag, driving a new Cadillac now.

• 2:37:53Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they just pay people. The crazy thing is that Israel pays people for, uh, social media posts.

• 2:37:59Speaker 01

  Do they really?

• 2:38:00Joe Rogan?

  I read that. Let's put that into perplexity, is that true? That might be another, uh, Russian hoax. I was reading that there's countries, and I don't think it's just Israel, by the way. There's countries that will pay influencers to post positive things about them.

• 2:38:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, really?

• 2:38:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  Oh, well, uh, even Qatar was like, they wanted me to come and experience their country, right? And I had a nice time while I was there, like, I think it was really neat. But we didn't really talk about, like, you know, the different, like, if they have different points of view about things, or what some of their, like, rules and things like that are, you know?

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  But did they want you to post nice things about them?

• 2:38:35Speaker 01

  I think they wanted to experience, they wanted to, you to experience their country.

• 2:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:38:41Speaker 01

  Now, I'm assuming-

• 2:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Israel has paid social media influencers to post content promoting its image, particularly in the United States, with reports indicating payments of up to $7,000 per post. This campaign, known as the Esther Projects, uh, project, is managed by a firm called Bridges Partners LLC, which works on behalf of the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The program is disclosed under the U.S. Foreign Agents Registration Act. Meaning that these payments are legally reported and require influencers to disclose that their content is funded by a foreign government. That's crazy.

• 2:39:15Speaker 01

  Well, I just don't see how we're supporting this country after the genocide. I just don't see how that's okay to people. And I think that's the part of me that I don't understand, right? About their leadership there and stuff. I just do not understand it. But then you start to think, well, am I crazy? Because it seems like it's just okay that the politicians all think that this is okay, and so few of them speak up about it.

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think this is what's separating the old people from the young people in this country. Like, if you look at the numbers of how many people that are like 18 to 34 that support the war in Gaza, it's very low. It's very, very, very low. Because this is the first time you've ever been able to see what happens when a superpower is attacking a country that essentially doesn't have an army, and they're doing it for years. And they're just blowing buildings up. Like, we've never really seen that before. This is the first time, in a time where everyone has cellphones, right? Obviously, this has happened. You know, countries have bombed each other, Dresden, and there's been Hiroshima, of course, Nagasaki. They blew up entire cities, right?

• 2:40:22Joe Rogan?

  But we didn't get to watch it happen bit by bit. You didn't get to see drone footage that's in 4K, you know? You didn't get to see cellphone footage of missiles being fired into camps of people waiting in line for food. You didn't get to see any of that shit. And, you know, you're seeing wild shit. But then you're also seeing horrible things that Hamas is doing, too. You're seeing people getting publicly executed in front of cheering crowds. You're seeing people get dragged out, kicked to the ground, gunned in the head. You're seeing the horrors of war is what you're seeing, on both sides.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  We just have a hard time accepting that that's the only way to do things. And I think that the young people of of this country, they don't want any part of anything like that anymore. Well, they have been told by their parents, they've been told by the people they grew up with that if that war is hell, there shouldn't be any war, and most of this shit happens because people are making money. That's what most of it had. They prolong it so they can make more money. They they want weapons development, they wanna launch new shit, they wanna sell shit to people that need weapons. And most young people are aware of that now, or I think most people my parents' age,

• 2:41:43Joe Rogan?

  they, you know, all they had was the Vietnam War. They knew the Vietnam War was bad, but they didn't. I don't think they really knew the extent of how much corruption is involved in in everything.

• 2:41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:54Joe Rogan?

  That our government does. Everything has the hand of some corporation attached to it. Everything has the influence of some foreign government or some country that has massive resources. There's always. But it's never clean. Nothing's clean.

• 2:42:11Speaker 01

  Well, it just felt like me, I think, a lot of times. Well, for one, it feels like they're gonna stop allowing TikTok, like the people are gonna own it. I think they're selling it or something, so they probably won't be able to show stuff like that anymore.

• 2:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, they sold it to Larry Ellison's company, right? Isn't that who bought TikTok?

• 2:42:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wanna be sure about this.

• 2:42:31Speaker 01

  They'll do that so so they can limit its control, like, control what goes on it?

• 2:42:35Joe Rogan?

  The real worry that they had before that sale was that China was in control of it, and I think they're right. And I think that if you have a foreign country and foreign country is using a very popular social media website to spread propaganda, spread things that absolutely aren't true, along with, I'm sure, some things that are true.

• 2:42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  But they have their finger on which way the influence goes. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. Now, I'm not saying that Larry Ellison's company's gonna do a great job of being totally objective and letting people criticize Israel, letting people criticize Hamas, letting, I don't know. We'll see. We'll have to see. I'd be crazy to say.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  I never met that guy. I don't know anything about that company.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  It'd be crazy for me to say any differently, but it's not safe to have a foreign country that is actively trying to fuck with. The way people have discourse in America, which is certainly what China's doing.

• 2:43:29Speaker 04

  So according to the hasn't yet changed place, the shutdown had something to do with this. And this article is from today, I think, where people in Congress still don't even know what's going on.

• 2:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Right. So this says Congress is still waiting to get briefed on how TikTok sale would actually stop Chinese algorithms from causing harm to US citizens, US military, and US interests, she said. "The lack of transparency has caused concern for both Democrats and Republicans, who are still waiting for secure briefings on how to stop malign actions."

• 2:43:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  So this is the thing is like, that's a good point because they do it on X. So Chinese bots, they swarm X. And there was a former FBI analyst, we read this article 100 times. His estimation, this is right around the time Elon was buying Twitter, that it could be as much as 80% bots.

• 2:44:21Speaker 04

  Oh, so much as bots, it seems like. So much as bots out there.

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  But this is what that says. This is like China. This is Russia. This is foreign countries that they'll say things about USAID. They'll say things about gay rights. They'll say things about LGBTQ whatever issues. Whatever it is. The border. Whatever it is. USAID. Whatever it is. And they just flood the discourse. They flood it. And so they have their finger, either way, on how much negative shit you see about any kind of subject. And whoever's the best at it, whoever's the best at this kind of propaganda. This is like an incredible tool to use to demoralize another country, to have another country hating itself, hating its actions. And if you leave that in the hands of China, and they own the company like TikTok,

• 2:45:08Joe Rogan?

  at least if someone in America owns it. And again, I don't know what they're gonna do, but at least if they own it, you would say, okay, but at least they're not actively trying to fuck with us and make us battle back and forth. They're just allowing the algorithm to do its natural course.

• 2:45:23Speaker 04

  Right. I guess if they're gonna do that, we don't know.

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing. If you can't stop bots, then all of them are fucked. Because they're just gonna keep making new accounts. It's too easy. They sign up, fake emails, fake person, wait, they're in. If you don't make people, and then, you know, what are you gonna do? You're gonna require a digital ID? Fuck that. You should be able to be a whistleblower. If you're working for some company and you find out they're dumping nuclear waste into the ocean, it's killing all the fish, someone should be able to anonymously report that. And you should be able to do that through social media without having a digital ID that shows exactly who you are.

• 2:45:58Speaker 01

  And they can shut you down. It's just like, I don't know.

• 2:46:01Joe Rogan?

  It's sketchy times, man.

• 2:46:02Speaker 01

  Well, it's sketchy times. You mean the same company, that company Palantir that was doing all that crazy stuff in Gaza? In Gaza, and they were like, you know, the own-

• 2:46:11Joe Rogan?

  What were they doing?

• 2:46:12Speaker 01

  All the drones and stuff like this, allegedly.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about? What are you saying they did?

• 2:46:17Speaker 01

  That they had, like, were compiling data on people that were there, and they were operating a lot of the drones in the sky that also had weapons attached to them.

• 2:46:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you mean like facial recognition data?

• 2:46:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46:28Joe Rogan?

  Do they have that capability with drones? Where they could just zoom around?

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Is this horseshit? Is it real? Jamie's not even willing to talk on camera. He's just, he's giving wicks and knives. I'm sure they do.

• 2:46:43Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, listen. They got a big contract in America now, which is scary to me. That's what's scary to me. That a drone could go by. That maybe that's what happened in Charlie Kirk, who knows? Maybe a drone, you just have no, who you can even point the finger at. A bullet comes out of the middle of nowhere.

• 2:46:57Joe Rogan?

  True.

• 2:46:57Speaker 01

  That's the kind of, I'm not saying I'm paranoid about it all the time. I'm just saying I have-

• 2:47:01Joe Rogan?

  You're, listen.

• 2:47:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:47:03Joe Rogan?

  You're right. However, China's making drones. And they're making really good ones. Way more sophisticated than our drones. If you don't have drone development and some kind of drone defense system in America, you're just, if you say, "Oh, no one should have that kind of power." You're right, no one should have that kind of power. However, China already does. So if you just have no, no innovation, and you have no way to implement any kind of defense system with drones in America, but it's already in China and it's already in Russia, you're kind of in trouble.

• 2:47:34Speaker 01

  Okay, so you have to have something in that space. You gotta be moving forward into like, yeah, you gotta have the weapons other people are gonna have.

• 2:47:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like the nuclear bomb. If they're already doing it, you better fucking get it.

• 2:47:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:44Joe Rogan?

  You better get it.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, to me, it's just scary that the company that was allegedly doing that there is the company that we hired to, like, I believe, create a database and have some of the same opportunities here.

• 2:48:00Speaker 01

  Or they could potentially be able to do the same thing here. To me, it just kind of tracks where it's like.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, any one private company that has a database and all the information on every person and where you are and what you're doing. Yeah, that's sketchy. What are you woofing? I'm looking at the, the, the story, the reporting on this. It's that absolute power corrupts absolutely thing, you know, this is like absolute power. One AI system is called the gospel. Another one's called where's daddy? Oh, Jesus Christ. They're used to identify people. One of them's called lavender. That sounds lovely. AI-enabled data processing system developed and used by the Israeli occupation forces in their, this says genocidal campaign against Gaza have caught widespread attention, prompting journalists to call Gaza the site of the first AI-powered genocide.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  AI technology was reportedly first used in Gaza during Israel's 11-day assault in 2021. During the ongoing genocide, for the first time, it's being used to kill Palestinians at an unprecedented level and at much faster rates. The known, uh, these three known systems identified targets for airstrikes based on Israeli mass surveillance records of the Palestinians in Gaza that have been collected for years by the IOF under the racist framework of monitoring what they deem as threats to the Israel, Israeli regime. This is from Palestine-studies.org, so.

• 2:49:20Speaker 01

  So who knows also how.

• 2:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this, I mean, it's obviously.

• 2:49:23Speaker 01

  Going to be favored towards them.

• 2:49:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But I, listen, I absolutely believe they have that kind of technology. The scariest. Recognize your face from the air.

• 2:49:31Speaker 01

  The scariest part to me, Jamie, will you bring it back up for one more second? The scariest part to me was just the quickness they could do it and then like the review, right? Like, a few Israeli intelligence agents shared with plus nine seven two magazine that they personally only take 20 seconds to review and approve the airstrike recommendation.

• 2:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Using a time only to confirm if the target is a male. Whoa. It's unclear if this is actual policy.

• 2:49:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:49:55Joe Rogan?

  What is that? So this is.

• 2:49:57Speaker 01

  But yeah, this started making me feel.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  They shared, okay, they shared this in a magazine. They shared, this is, so they said this in an interview in a magazine, that it only takes 20 seconds to review and the time is only to confirm if the targets are male. It's unclear if this is actual policy. In August, however, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights released a statement revealing that the majority of those killed in Gaza are women and children. So here's the other thing, um, obviously horrible things have happened there, right? But if you're getting your information from the people where the horrible things are happening, it's hard to know if they're being accurate, you know? I don't know if it is truly that they're mostly killing women or children, women and children.

• 2:50:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:39Joe Rogan?

  Or if a good percentage of them have actually been Hamas agents, I don't know.

• 2:50:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the scary-

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  That's what Israel says, right? They say that a lot of them were Hamas.

• 2:50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, there's like two-year-old Hamas agents they were found shooting. Which, who knows, I don't know, you know, who knows?

• 2:50:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, I bet they probably think of them as future.

• 2:50:56Speaker 01

  There's a lot of smart kids.

• 2:50:57Joe Rogan?

  Especially now, when you've blown up their fucking city.

• 2:50:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, how many, if there were terrorists there, how many are created by watching something like that happen? Quite a bit.

• 2:51:06Speaker 01

  Well, the thing for me, I just thought like that America would come help at some point. That was a scary, I think that's when I just thought like, oh, I just have a different concept of what's going on. Or also, these are just my thoughts, I don't know what's going on. And I don't need anybody to believe my thoughts or think the same way I do. I think the thing that made me nervous was that that same company, Palantir, got a deal in America to create a database and help with like surveillance and stuff. So that just makes me scared, you know? And made me a little bit nervous, not scared, but just like a little bit like, what's going on here? Are we gonna enter a surveillance state, you know?

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's one of the arguments for letting chaos take place. One of the arguments for letting crime, letting criminals back out, is that you make it so dangerous that in order to make it safe, you have to put restrictions on people. And that's the only way, and you show that it's effective. And then people comply, and then everybody has a digital ID, and the government tracks you. Like, you know, like that Life360 app, where you can track all your friends, track all your family.

• 2:52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, see if your wife's running around and you whatever.

• 2:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the government can do that as well. The government can do that as well.

• 2:52:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I think one thing that made, that I thought-

• 2:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how crazy that is? To allow the government to constantly know where you are and what you're doing, and constantly you'll be looking over your shoulder, so you're gonna self-censor, you're gonna be scared, you're gonna be scared to talk because your phone's gonna be listening, yeah.

• 2:52:23Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, crazy, we mentioned Chuck Schumer and then you opened your phone.

• 2:52:27Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:52:27Speaker 01

  I mean, that was-

• 2:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what's the possibility of that?

• 2:52:30Speaker 01

  And that was momentarily later.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, momentarily later, the algorithm recognized that I was talking about Chuck Schumer.

• 2:52:37Speaker 01

  That was.

• 2:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Let's see if it works. Big fat tits. I mean, big fat tits. Uh, okay, big, big fat tits on, um, your forty-five-year-old stepmom.

• 2:52:49Speaker 01

  Ooh, I'm not talking about.

• 2:52:50Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 2:52:51Speaker 01

  That fucking.

• 2:52:52Joe Rogan?

  Let's do it into, into, imagine if it just immediately. Goes to, nope, I got head kicked.

• 2:52:59Speaker 04

  What about the explore page?

• 2:53:00Speaker 01

  Would you buy a?

• 2:53:01Joe Rogan?

  Check my explore page real quick.

• 2:53:02Speaker 01

  Would you buy a cat off of Facebook Marketplace?

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  Uh, sure, why not?

• 2:53:05Speaker 01

  Okay, I wouldn't.

• 2:53:09Joe Rogan?

  If it's a cute cat.

• 2:53:10Speaker 01

  Fuck that, bro.

• 2:53:11Joe Rogan?

  Fun, uh, look, dude.

• 2:53:13Speaker 01

  I'm not buying a cat off, oh, yeah.

• 2:53:15Joe Rogan?

  Right in my for you page.

• 2:53:18Speaker 01

  Let me see one of them, huh? Hey, how about this?

• 2:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Right in my for you page.

• 2:53:21Speaker 04

  A funer test is to text something random to someone and then give it five minutes and check your, like, for you pages on, on an app.

• 2:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Right away, it's ladies with large boobs.

• 2:53:30Speaker 01

  I say, hey, let me see one of them and guess what the other one looks like, that's my old trick.

• 2:53:34Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's a good trick. And you're like, I don't know, I bet that other one's weird looking. That one's too perfect.

• 2:53:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love that.

• 2:53:42Joe Rogan?

  There's no way they both look the same.

• 2:53:43Speaker 01

  Dude, I used to do this.

• 2:53:44Speaker 06

  Well, I'll show you, Theo.

• 2:53:48Speaker 01

  I used to do this fun thing, I would have, if I sat next to somebody in an airplane, I would have them draw a picture of their kids. Like, if they had kids, I'd be like, draw a picture of your kids, and dude, it would be the most fucking ridiculous-looking picture, but it would always be pretty fun, you know? Yeah, I think I was just concerned about, like, if that's the company that does it here, so that's like where my brain tracks, like, or winging under that, and then.

• 2:54:06Joe Rogan?

  No, that should be scary.

• 2:54:07Speaker 01

  That's why I think ICE ha, that's why I think all the ICE stuff happened, because I think they have to get everybody on the books. This isn't about, I, I, like, I, I, they have to do an inventory now of everyone, because they're gonna need, otherwise, when it's a surveillance state, they're, it's all gonna know, if you're not, like, documented or on the, on the, uh, bill of sale, or whatever, it's gonna be, or you're not on the inventory list, if you're not inventoried.

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:54:33Speaker 01

  In the country, then it will know, the machine will know immediately, oh, this isn't, you're not even supposed to be here, right? So, that's why I think that the ICE stuff is happening, because I think one of the reasons is they have to get everything, um, inventoried.

• 2:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Um, I see what you're saying. I think the ICE stuff is happening, a lot of it is because of political power. It's congressional seats, because the census just counts people. They don't count legal citizens. And when you let people come over here illegally, and then you give them food, and you give them Medicare.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  What happens is, those people are gonna vote for you if they can, and they're also gonna count, they're gonna stay, they're gonna... And so they count, and your district has congressional seats. That's what's crazy. They only count the people, they don't count the citizens. So, if you get as many people in as possible, you can take over congressional seats. And if you make it really easy for those people to get by, like, they say, "Hey, California's the place to go, they don't give a fuck, you can be illegal there, nobody cares." Which is the way it was, basically, until ICE started arresting people. It's always been like that. I mean, what percentage of people do you run into LA, in LA, that are illegals? A lot, and no one cares. It's just, it's always been like that, right?

• 2:55:41Speaker 01

  I don't care, yeah, it's not a problem for me.

• 2:55:43Joe Rogan?

  Now, all of a sudden, they're getting arrested. But, there is the argument that by having people that came over illegally, you changed the congressional map. You do. You get more seats, you know, and that's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy.

• 2:55:58Speaker 01

  It's awful. It just feels like, I don't know, it feels like very lit, like... I don't know. It's a, it feels like a lot of different things, but you're right, I think you just have to focus in on things that are important, you know?

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a, it's an easy way to increase your population, man. Make it so people can definitely come over. Make it so, cut holes in the fence for them. You ever see when they did that? They cut holes in the fence, like, some people had put up, like, these fucking heavy-duty fences, and...

• 2:56:25Speaker 01

  I put a titty bar right there. You put a titty bar right there, boy?

• 2:56:29Joe Rogan?

  You should have a bottle of water sales is the better move.

• 2:56:33Speaker 01

  Water and tits, what about that?

• 2:56:35Joe Rogan?

  Uh, together? I think generally people like alcohol with their tits.

• 2:56:39Speaker 01

  I don't know, if you've been in the desert for a couple of days...

• 2:56:41Joe Rogan?

  That's true, it's a good point. Very good point. Where's my bookmarks? Here it is. I'll send you this, Jeremy, because this is kind of crazy when you watch it. You're like, what, what could you possibly be doing here? Other than purposely letting people into the country? I think there was a lot of that. And I think there was a lot of that because they want cheap labor, too. That was something that someone told me once, that they were stunned, that a CEO said that they were against these, uh... The border enforcement because they want a cheap labor. So they said right out to them, look at this. Biden Harris sent forklifts to open the border when Texas built a razor wall.

• 2:57:20Speaker 01

  So insane.

• 2:57:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, why would you do that? Wait a minute. You did what? You you sent a forklift to open up the razor wire? What?

• 2:57:32Speaker 01

  But do you think that they all know that the other parties just do like? Do you think that they all go behind closed doors and be like, OK, what are you guys going to do this month? And then we're going to do this. And it's all just this theatrics?

• 2:57:43Joe Rogan?

  Ah, no, I don't think they coordinate like that. I think they hate each other. No, but this is nuts, man. This is like genuinely nuts. And by the way, I feel for these people. I would do the same thing. I would 100% be in line. I see these people with their babies, hoping for a chance at a better life in America. They're not the problem. The problem is cartel people and the whole congressional seats thing. That's the problem.

• 2:58:05Speaker 01

  Well, these people have all have been become pawns. They're they're they're they'll send information to these the countries that they live in and get them to come. It's like.

• 2:58:13Joe Rogan?

  Listen, if the population, you're right. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

• 2:58:17Speaker 01

  No, it's I don't even know probably what I was saying, but I don't know.

• 2:58:20Joe Rogan?

  If the population.

• 2:58:22Speaker 01

  We're we're better than this. That's what I'm saying. We're better than this.

• 2:58:26Joe Rogan?

  You and I are.

• 2:58:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:27Speaker 01

  As people, we are better than this. And we have all this elected officials and these people that we thought were like us.

• 2:58:33Joe Rogan?

  Sociopaths.

• 2:58:35Speaker 01

  When does that end?

• 2:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, that's a good question.

• 2:58:38Speaker 01

  And can it end? Do you think there's a way to end it?

• 2:58:41Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be hard. Um, my suspicion is it ends when AI starts sorting government. We're probably going to use AI with government to prevent this kind of fuckery that we see on an everyday basis. AI will like logically make decisions as to like what makes sense and what doesn't make sense about our current legal structure. Like some things that like if people become politicians, the reason why they become politicians is they know they can inside trade with Nancy Pelosi and make hundreds of millions of dollars like she did. Like, that's crazy. That that can't be that way anymore. And I think any intelligent.

• 2:59:22Joe Rogan?

  Like artificial intelligence that's not attached to an ideology or a party is gonna immediately, if they both agree, if the America votes on it and say, "We want AI to take a look at the government." And AI immediately goes like, "You can't do that. You can't do this. Like, this is, this is bad. This is evil. This is a lie. This is truth, and you're suppressing it." And then, we probably don't have anything remotely like the government we have now. Because I think that mind-reading software, it's already in beta, alright? It's already, they're already able to communicate, going back and forth, asking each other questions. They are. They have headsets. You don't even have to get an implant. Does that, is it Google that did that, Jamie?

• 3:00:06Joe Rogan?

  What was the company that did that, where they were asking each other questions and then answering them?

• 3:00:10Speaker 04

  It's not Google. I don't even think that's available yet, but...

• 3:00:12Joe Rogan?

  No, but it's in beta. The point is, it's in beta. So they're doing this already, and as this stuff gets more potent, it's gonna be just like, we used to have little flip phones without a color screen, and now you have an iPhone. And it's gonna be that. It's gonna go from, "You used to be able to just ask each other questions," to, "We can all read each other's minds." It's coming, man. And when that happens, Turtle Face, that Mitch McConnell motherfucker, you can't, you can't operate anymore as a leader. You can't, no. You're, you're seen now as what you are. You're an agent of money. You're a money agent, moving money and influence around. You're not doing it for the greater good of people, by any stretch of the imagination.

• 3:00:54Joe Rogan?

  And also, how are you still working when you Windows 98 on us every now and then?

• 3:00:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:01:00Joe Rogan?

  That guy just freezes up. You ever see him?

• 3:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz his frickin', his, his, his, his, uh...

• 3:01:05Joe Rogan?

  You ever see him lock up? Just lock up. How is that guy still able to make decisions on anything?

• 3:01:12Speaker 01

  His receptors are down. You fucking see his receptors go down?

• 3:01:16Joe Rogan?

  Do you think he's a robot?

• 3:01:19Speaker 01

  You think he's not a robot? What do you think at this point? That guy? They can't even, they didn't even update his lips to fucking, yes.

• 3:01:26Joe Rogan?

  If there's a robot, it's RFK Junior. Imagine we found out, imagine if Candace comes out and she does a deep dive and said, "There was no RFK Junior." Do you know that? All those photos are AI. This is a, there's no evidence of him whatsoever until 2021.

• 3:01:42Speaker 01

  And she's like, "And what is this here? RFK Junior has a camel toe? What is this here?"

• 3:01:46Joe Rogan?

  He was born a woman.

• 3:01:47Speaker 01

  He's the first. Dude, Candace is the best, dude. I went to see, she has, her and her husband have four of the most beautiful kids in the world and they're so funny and you go over there and they're just like dying laughing and one of them looks just like her. It's so funny, dude.

• 3:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Um, do you think she's right about that French president?

• 3:02:06Speaker 01

  Oh, the wiener?

• 3:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes, whether or not he is married to a man. She's all in on that, bro.

• 3:02:15Speaker 01

  Oh, she's all in?

• 3:02:16Joe Rogan?

  They're suing her, aren't they?

• 3:02:17Speaker 01

  I think they are. I don't know if they still are or not.

• 3:02:20Joe Rogan?

  I think they're at least threatening a lawsuit. It's like, for like 50 million bucks.

• 3:02:24Speaker 01

  Wiwi ner?

• 3:02:27Speaker 01

  That would be, my, if she ever writes a book, that's gotta be it. But dude, it is kinda strange that the guy is dating his teacher, right?

• 3:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Or when, he was like 40 and the kid was 15.

• 3:02:40Speaker 01

  Or she.

• 3:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Was 40. Even if it was a she. Like, whaaat? And again, this is France. They're very different over there.

• 3:02:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Pedophilia is just like, "Oh, get your wiener out of that child."

• 3:02:52Speaker 01

  Wiener?

• 3:02:54Joe Rogan?

  What have you done?

• 3:02:55Speaker 01

  Wiener?

• 3:02:56Joe Rogan?

  He's almost 15.

• 3:02:59Speaker 01

  Bro, that, if she does, oh, she better have a hog on her and I don't think she-

• 3:03:02Joe Rogan?

  I bet she doesn't.

• 3:03:03Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. I don't know if she has the body style to have a real fucking hog on her and that, if they release, the last thing needs, the last thing France needs is to release like a wiener that looks like it's retreating, kind of. It will just go down in this, they need to release a fucking hog, you know?

• 3:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that, uh, information that Hitler might have had a micro penis? They got genes from Hitler's blood and it it seems to indicate that he had a genetic disorder that would lead you to have a micro penis. Which totally makes sense, right?

• 3:03:35Speaker 01

  I'm not surprised these days.

• 3:03:37Joe Rogan?

  About Hitler? Why would you be surprised? Hitler would be the guy I would think would have a micro penis. A guy who wants to kill everybody and take over the world?

• 3:03:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:03:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little tiny dick.

• 3:03:47Speaker 01

  I make it's bigger!

• 3:03:48Joe Rogan?

  And he's fucking doing coke and heroin and all. He was doing oxycodone, man. And he had his whole army on meth.

• 3:03:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's fucking wild.

• 3:03:59Joe Rogan?

  With a little dick, just running everything.

• 3:04:03Joe Rogan?

  The Making of a Tyrant: How Hitler's Deformed Genitals Shaped His Personality. Whoa!

• 3:04:08Speaker 01

  Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing.

• 3:04:12Speaker 01

  If you had a little dick, you would always check and make sure. You'd be like, fuck, it's still little. That's what would happen all the time. Or every day you'd woke up, you'd be like... It'd be like the Masked Singer. You'd like open your pants and hope it was something different.

• 3:04:23Joe Rogan?

  He knows. I think he knows. This is dick is little. He's like, "Now everyone gets punished! Fucking Poland!" Polish guys, the big old hogs. He's probably jealous.

• 3:04:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, brother. I think that, yeah, I don't know. In the future, I don't even know if they got little dicks in the future.

• 3:04:38Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what aliens are. That's us, generalists.

• 3:04:41Speaker 04

  You know how they got the DNA?

• 3:04:42Speaker 01

  How?

• 3:04:43Speaker 04

  From the blood-soaked couch. He apparently blew his brains out on it, it says.

• 3:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Yo, they saved that?

• 3:04:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, it says the first guy that found it took a piece of the couch, saved it, and they studied that.

• 3:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow!

• 3:04:54Speaker 04

  Which some people think that didn't happen.

• 3:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some people think he got moved to Argentina, right?

• 3:04:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, it also says there's only a one in tench chance he had a micro penis.

• 3:05:02Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 3:05:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a lot of chances. I don't like those odds. I ain't playing Russian roulette with a revolver with ten rounds in it. Fuck that. Alright, I gotta pee, so we gotta wrap this up.

• 3:05:13Speaker 01

  Dude, I have to pee so bad, dude.

• 3:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. I'm glad we waited. I love you.

• 3:05:17Speaker 01

  You are?

• 3:05:17Joe Rogan?

  You're the best.

• 3:05:18Speaker 01

  I love you too, man. Thanks for, uh, yeah, thanks for everything. Thanks for the...

• 3:05:21Joe Rogan?

  It was fun hanging with you, as always. Goodbye, everybody.