GT-R Lawsuit; GT3 RS tire "fix"?; Tow rigs; Q&A

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman discuss whether tires "fixed" what they didn't like about the new Porsche GT3 RS; there's an update to a legal scuffle between Weathertech Raceway Laguna Seca and the owner of an amazing R34 GT-R; we get some ideas for tow vehicles; why Porsche won't build a "cheap" 911; and Patreon questions include: Weekend track car idea: NC Miata or BMW 135i? Why are early 2000s Mini Cooper S underappreciated? Can you have wide front tires AND good steering feel? How to avoid being labeled a "Florida car"? Easy, impressive meals to cook How does a Lotus compare to a 718 Cayman for road trips? F/M/K: Larry Chen's 996 Turbo / Magnus' 277 / Scotto's RWB What car would our 18-year old selves invest in? How to talk someone out of a car they'll regret Fun cruiser: Alfa Spider or R129 SL500? Rent a Miata or a C8 for a weekend in the the South? Is the Elantra N still a deal at $40k? Should you let a younger family member ride in your "unsafe" car? And more! Recorded February 6, 2026 SHOW NOTES Factor Eat smart at https://www. FactorMeals.com/tire50off and use code tire50off to get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year. Eat like a pro this month with Factor. New subscribers only, varies by plan. 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year while subscription is active DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout.

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here and today's episode is as always brought to you by Off the Record. Look, we want you to be safe out there on the road, but the fact is, you can be being safe and still get tickets. Those are not the same thing. And if you do, don't plead guilty, get Off the Record. Off the Record is a service that connects you with a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket. They will fight it all the way if need be to keep those points off of your record. A valuable service to the community that they are providing. All you have to do is go to offtherrecord.com/tst, input some information about the ticket,

• 0:44Matt Farah?

  where and when you got pulled over, etc., etc., and they go to work for you, getting those points off of your record. You guys send me emails and DMs all the time about how Off the Record is saving you out there on the road, not to mention, I have personally witnessed it for myself over and over. Cause I do a lot of miles, it's proportional people. So go to offtherrecord.com/tst for 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record. All right, on today's podcast, we got a good one for you. We have some amazing suggestions for a tow rig.

• 1:23Matt Farah?

  Man, we've been driving the new 992 GT3RS, but on Pilot Sport 5 tires, has it made it more streetable? And a dude's car got crashed into on the Laguna Seca by a track worker and it is problematic. And lastly, why Porsche will not do a 4-cylinder 911? It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go!

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  When was the last time you shaved?

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Four days ago.

• 1:57Matt Farah?

  On your chin? No.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  You shaved that to nothing four days ago?

• 2:01Speaker 01

  It's slow.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  No, no, it's not slow, it's thin. You just don't, it doesn't, like, that's-

• 2:07Speaker 01

  I don't have a density.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  Right, right.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Like, my forest-

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  But the length for four days, that's about right.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  They've logged every third tree in my forest.

• 2:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  So that's kinda how it comes in.

• 2:14Matt Farah?

  But the trees grow at the same length as normal trees.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  There's just less of them on the field.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  There's a lot less trees, yeah. And it's a lot patchier here, and that's why I don't even try.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, speaking of, dude, you know what I just watched? That Fen's Treasure? The guy who buried the treasure chest in the mountains, in the Rockies, remember this?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:30Matt Farah?

  There's a guy called Forrest Fen.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:32Matt Farah?

  He was an artist, an architect, not an artist, excuse me. He was an art gallery, like, curator, and just sort of like, one of those kind of like, world's most interesting man types. World traveler, whatever. And he thought he was gonna die. He had a terminal illness, and he thought it would be fun to leave a legacy of burying this fucking treasure in the desert, not in the desert, in the mountains. And then he wrote a book. This is, this was actually a money move. This guy was so smart. He wrote a book, buries this treasure, which is real, and then goes, "There's a poem in my book." Of, you know, and-

• 3:10Speaker 01

  With directions.

• 3:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 3:12Matt Farah?

  And so the book is like, it goes crazy. And all these people try to find treasure. People die looking for the treasure. There's a documentary that's out right now. I think it's worth 90 minutes.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  About, about the treasure. Uh, that's the guy on the left who ultimately found it.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  What was the, what was in the box, like-

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  Like, gold nuggets, like, old gold-

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Okay, so, kind of worth money.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  Like, um, um, seven figures in literal gold stuff.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 3:36Matt Farah?

  Like, a treasure chest.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  A very real treasure.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  And the, the box was made of bronze.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Got it. Cause what's on the table for people listening? Is like, a necklace that he made that looks like it's made out of, you know, plastic army men?

• 3:46Matt Farah?

  No, I think there's also, that's not a great picture.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 3:49Matt Farah?

  What you wanna see is the treasure. But I think that plastic bag in front of him's full of gold coins.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  But, yeah, no, there's other, if you just Google the, Google the treasure, like, there's images of the treasure. Um, anyway, it's a fun documentary. But we're talking about, you were saying, the thin trees. The, you know, we were talking a couple of months ago about that GeoGuessr game, how people can look at a fucking Google Earth image and like figure out where it is really close. Like, people were like figuring out, you know, finding this treasure map and then like, uh, like the guy who found the treasure posted a photo of it to prove he founded it, found it, but wouldn't say where it was. And so there was like no closure for anybody else. They wanted to know

• 4:31Speaker 01

  They wanted to guess right.

• 4:33Matt Farah?

  The solution to the riddle and how close they were, right?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Especially if you know you're not gonna travel there. You're like, I wonder if I found it online.

• 4:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like how close was I?

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:40Matt Farah?

  You know, and so, so one guy like drove him mad.

• 4:45Matt Farah?

  And he, uh, had to find from the photo of the treasure box sitting on dirt, just treasure dirt. That's it. Found it. Found, like printed the photo and laid it down on the dirt and the fuck.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Oh, to confirm.

• 5:02Matt Farah?

  That, that, that's where the box was.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  And so he was right. He knew, he knew where, he had guessed right and he took that picture to the location and said, oh shit, I got it.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. A guy found the treasure.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:13Matt Farah?

  Okay. Another person wanted to know where they found the treasure. And all he had to go on were the original clues and one photo of the box where it was just the box and some dirt.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, so he read the clues very well and then got close enough, like literally standing there and was like, right here.

• 5:32Matt Farah?

  Enough, yes, to where he actually was able to match up a picture of dirt.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  You think he was pissed because he's like, I had it and I could have had all the treasure?

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  I don't want to give away the ending of the movie, but this, the ending of the movie for this particular guy is okay. But like, it's, it's a documentary, but there is a little fun twist, a twist at the end of it.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 5:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, recommend it. Where's your, uh, what's, it's just called like Fenn's Treasure or something like that. I don't want, it should be helpful by having the name of it. Can you, uh, it's, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, come on.

• 6:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, just type documentary.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  It's on Netflix for people listening.

• 6:11Matt Farah?

  It is on Netflix. Gold and Greed: The Hunt for Fen's Treasure. Yeah, it's worth 90 minutes of your time in a sea of trash on television. Yeah, that's kind of fun. Okay, sorry, cars. There's some cars in there. The guy who I was just talking about who matched the dirt has a fucking hell of an overlandy Dodge. Yeah, pretty cool.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  This is like Jedi level, uh, like, what's the word I'm looking for? Metal detecting, you know? You start out with an online metal detector that you bought online, you go to the beach, and you just dicky dicky, and now you're looking at, you know, Google Maps, zooming in, overlanding to this place. You have to hike a ways off the road to get to the treasure? Cool.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, it was not on the road. Uh, it required multiple modes of transport. But one of the things was the guy buried it when he was 79. So he goes, "Listen, it's, it's, here's all, here's the places where it's not, but it is somewhere that a 79-year-old man can get to carrying this fucking box."

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 7:11Matt Farah?

  So, yeah.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Wow, that's rad.

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Anyone who's geocaching now is probably so bored. They're like, "I just get to sign something." You know, there's no gold in there. That's, that's fun.

• 7:20Matt Farah?

  So that's good time. All right, cars. Uh, where can we start? Um, well, we talked last episode about the fact that we're getting this trailer from, uh, from, uh, Brian James Trailers. We'll just, I'll plug them again. You'll hear their ads because they're, they're advertising for a trailer. We don't have to go into the trailer, but it's gonna be cool. But we asked people to comment and whatever, um, recommended tow vehicles. And as usual, my requirements for such a thing is the, the smallest and, and thing that does the job without being too much, right? What's the better way to say that?

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Efficient? The most efficient thing?

• 7:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Because even a tow vehicle is not going to be towing for like 95% of its life.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, uh, a lot of good suggestions. Some fuck, a couple of people absolutely insisted that we need a 3500 in order to be happy. Which, I would be so unhappy driving around with a 3500 anything.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  It'd be huge. And when they're unladen, it's like they ride worse than the GT3RS around town.

• 8:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And like 20 years ago, I hauled cars all over the Northeast in a heavier trailer than the one we're getting using a fucking 2500 from then.

• 8:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, and so, so we don't need any of that shit. The, the leaders right now seem to be,

• 8:45Matt Farah?

  if we're going SUV, a Cayenne SE Hybrid.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 8:49Matt Farah?

  So like, there's the Cayenne Hybrid my dad has, which is a twin turbo V6. The S has the V8. So, I haven't really looked into-

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Higher torque number is good.

• 8:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's just, it's more power and you get better brakes with the S. Um, which it would be hard to find a, a, a Cayenne regular V6 hybrid that had been optioned up with like huge brakes. Like, why would anybody do that? Uh, so many people are like, "Don't do a Cayenne because you need good brakes. You should get a Dodge 2500." I refuse to believe that a Porsche SUV with hype, with a fucking motor generator, 100 kilowatt motor generator in it, and Porsche-grade brakes, has worse brakes than a Dodge. I refuse to believe that.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  I, I agree. I think one of the references, or sorry, recommendations I've seen that makes sense, and we have to look at the measurements, is trucks have longer wheelbases therefore are more stable with wind and stuff like that.

• 9:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, totally valid argument.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  I'm sure the Cayenne's much better.

• 9:47Matt Farah?

  A totally valid argument.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  And I, maybe people think that the trucks have better brakes than like a CX5 or something like that, because they have heavy-duty brakes meant for long-duration braking down hills. Um, but if you're talking Cayenne stuff, I would assume, we should check that the brakes can withhold, or hold up to it better.

• 10:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I don't want, I don't want to have bad brakes, but like, the trailer has its own brakes. It's not, we're not talking about a trailer that doesn't have its own fucking brakes. Um, and, and, uh, look, we drive a lot of Porsches. They have good brakes.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  They have very good brakes. The brakes this morning were spot on.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  The brake, I've never, ever driven the, any Porsche in which, from a factory car, in which the brakes somehow came into question for what the thing was supposed to do. Um, the other thing is, you know, a lot of people, uh, I think, uh, also said, "Look, I, I see where you're going with the SUV thing, but the odds are you're gonna be doing a lot of highway towing and you might actually run up on-" You know, really the upper limit of what the SUV could do, which is 7,700 pounds. If you get the Ram half ton. Uh, you don't have to go with a 2,500. The Ram 1,500 has a 10,000 pound. So even like worst case, you're still 25% from the, from the end.

• 11:08Matt Farah?

  Um, and they ride pretty good on the street.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  They do.

• 11:11Matt Farah?

  Um, and, uh, and they have the big, the big fold out mirrors, which when you have an enclosed trailer, if you're towing an open trailer, not having fold out mirrors is not that big of a deal.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:21Matt Farah?

  In an enclosed trailer, the fold out mirrors are very helpful. So.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 11:24Matt Farah?

  We may end up sucking it up. I mean, if the answer is suck it up and get a pickup truck, okay.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Dude, I like, I mean, I like these. These are nice. Someone else suggested Ford Power Boost.

• 11:34Matt Farah?

  Which that's also.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  That was a nice little hybrid integration. I'd have to look at the tow ratings and stuff, but having those,

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  Probably good.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  The outlets in the back was, was rad. And that can be very handy for truck stuff.

• 11:43Matt Farah?

  Sure. You wouldn't need to bring a generator.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:45Matt Farah?

  For shit. You, there's all kinds of stuff you could do when you have power. I love that truck. Well, the other thing is, you know, soon that the Ram is going to come out with that, that, the, the, the self charging car, the range extended EV, which is like, damn, but it's not going to be for a year. So we could kick press trucks around for like a year and then maybe if this, that's, cause that's really what I want, dude.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 12:08Matt Farah?

  Electric truck.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  I think we want to see how that holds up. Well, no, how it holds up to towing. Like what's, you know, what is the range? Can the, can the engine keep up with the demands of towing a vehicle over 200 miles, 300 miles? And I know that's the intention is the range extension.

• 12:22Matt Farah?

  Dude, even Stellantis, even Stellantis. Makers of questionable decisions in hybrid vehicle technology. I can't imagine they wouldn't go core requirement of this truck is you must be able to tow for infinite distance.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  That's the market. I agree.

• 12:45Matt Farah?

  That's the thing. That's all anybody wants.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Well, it's tough because I go, I wouldn't want to be first in the door for that, but we can make content on it. But how much of our viewership is really into truck towing? Like if we were TFL, right?

• 12:57Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  The website, you know, the page, we would kill it. We'd buy the first range extended pickup truck. We'd tow a race car.

• 13:02Matt Farah?

  You don't, we don't need to, we don't need to center. A year worth of content around a pickup truck, but a pickup truck that is a new and novel technology that that appears here and there over the course of us doing silly things with a car that doesn't have to be street legal.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 13:19Matt Farah?

  I see, I don't, I don't hate that.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  I mean, I think it's a pretty.

• 13:22Matt Farah?

  I did, I, the, so the Ram half ton and the F-150 hybrid, if we have to, and I, and our, we're kind of the leaders in that, in that regard, but I just don't want a fucking big pickup truck. There's one of these was parked in front of my house the other day. It's huge. If I parked one in my driveway at home, I would not be able to see the street. It would block the entire view of the street.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  True. I mean, how often do you look out?

• 13:53Matt Farah?

  A lot.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  All your, really? Cause all your windows kind of face the other direction. Do you look?

• 13:58Matt Farah?

  True, the house is more backyard focused, but like, I just, I, I, I just, it's so, they're so big. Like when you're, they're so big.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:06Matt Farah?

  And I, for something that is like optimist, what's optimistically? Every two, three weeks? We connect a trailer?

• 14:13Speaker 01

  It's very optimistic.

• 14:13Matt Farah?

  Very optimistically.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:15Matt Farah?

  The rest of the time.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  I mean, that's why ideally if it's, if it's a, an SUV, you could use it to run around town. We use it to drive to other gigs.

• 14:22Matt Farah?

  Could just be my car.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it could just be a car.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  This, I, this can't just be my car. That's insane.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Tough in LA. A lot of the parking lots be tough. I, I mean, I like, I, in the right environment, driving a truck on the highway is so good. Comfortable, good seats, all that stuff, but around town, it's tough.

• 14:38Matt Farah?

  And, and, and trucks do not have exclusive reign over being comfortable and having good seats.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Oh, of course not.

• 14:44Matt Farah?

  You know, so like.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  I'm just saying like, they're not compromised in that way.

• 14:48Matt Farah?

  It's just, it's so not me to have something for the, the 95th, you know, I, I cover, you know, cover this and if I need more, we have access to, to, to, if we were, if we were gonna tow the trailer a thousand miles, you know, maybe I'd go, okay, hey, Dodge, can I borrow a 2500? But if we're going to Willow for the day, once a month.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:13Matt Farah?

  Fuck we need that for, you know, it's just like such a waste of everything.

• 15:19Matt Farah?

  There may be no other option, I don't know.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  I think it'll be a fun experiment, we can get some press stuff to tow with and then we can make a decision.

• 15:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and then a lot of people suggested the old, you know, Audi and BMW diesels and I just don't want a German car that old, out of warranty and that kind of shit. The Cayenne hybrid is very appealing. So, we'll see what's up. We won't be able to find one of those with a tow package,

• 15:43Matt Farah?

  like as a press car, that won't work.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Wow, someone said Schme had that same trailer and he towed an SF90X in it with a Maverick. I mean, England very flat.

• 15:53Matt Farah?

  That's England.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, that is, the other thing is this trailer company is from England. And so, their trailers are designed to be lightweight, not too wide, and towed by smaller and less powerful vehicles.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we just learned hanging out with Mike Duff from Road Track that like if you're, if the gross weight of everything, trailer, tow vehicle and car is over X, it's like 8,000 pounds.

• 16:18Matt Farah?

  Three tons.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  So 9,000 pounds.

• 16:20Matt Farah?

  Three and a half tons maybe.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry, 6,000 pounds. Then you need like a commercial, a device that tracks your mileage like a commercial trucker would use.

• 16:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  So, no wonder Schme is using the lightest pickup truck in the world.

• 16:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, I should, I should ask him how, how he likes it.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  I would, I would like a bigger vehicle to tow.

• 16:37Matt Farah?

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• 19:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:20Matt Farah?

  And we don't have to get an F-150.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 19:22Matt Farah?

  Although, now that, the more I think about it, the appeal of having the hybrid and the battery pack, like, it just solves a lot of problems if you're trying to, if you're just like out places with a trailer, you know?

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very, it'd be really handy.

• 19:33Matt Farah?

  It's so much power.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  Especially, because then we could get, um, you could, we could get pressed, like, side by sides, that the electric ones they have coming out, you could get one of those things, charge it up.

• 19:43Matt Farah?

  And, uh, I can beg Ali to convert the trailer to... Fucking range.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  That would be amazing.

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  He hasn't done an enclosed personal trailer yet.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  I know. I mean, that would mean we wouldn't have our trailer for like two years, though, because of the R and D.

• 19:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but how sick would it be?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be amazing.

• 19:59Matt Farah?

  To have like a 200, then you would have to buy, build a real truck because it would get heavy.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  It would get heavier. That's true. See, yeah, that is a fun map.

• 20:05Matt Farah?

  Trailer fun. So anyway, thank you for your suggestions. We, you know, I think we've, we've, we've heard and seen them all, pretty much, so you can, y'all can chill on it now.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  It was truly helpful, though.

• 20:15Matt Farah?

  No, for sure. For sure. It was. It was.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  We've got the encyclopedia now, from A to Z.

• 20:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If we have to get a half ton, here's what we're looking at. If we are not going to get a half ton, here's what we're looking at. The old, the oddball suggestion that was a, was Land Cruiser with the bigger motor, which I think could work because Hannah would like it. Because she likes boxy cars, but, but I don't know if it's quite powerful enough.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Tahoe? That's boxy.

• 20:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If you're, yeah, yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Also big.

• 20:47Matt Farah?

  Big. Uninteresting. Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Well, the towing capacity of the Land Cruiser is 6,000 pounds.

• 20:54Matt Farah?

  So that's a no. Probably not going to work.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:57Matt Farah?

  Should we do this morning's activities or should we talk about Laguna Seca?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Let's talk Laguna first.

• 21:03Matt Farah?

  Okay. So a lot of people, like, three weeks ago, four weeks ago when it happened, sent us the story about the R34 Skyline at Laguna Seca. Driver was at a track day and for, there was like a red flag and they stopped on track. And, and while parked on the track for a red flag situation, this dude was hit from behind by like a giant, like, front end loader. That, and this was on Jesse Awuji's Instagram. So here's this huge, I don't know if it's a front end loader, a forklift, or a, it's a giant forklift.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Geez.

• 21:46Matt Farah?

  Boom.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  And that, I didn't realize, the front loader is moving at 20 miles an hour. I mean, 15, it's moving.

• 21:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  And it runs right into the back of a bright red stopped car. It's daytime, like, visibility should not have been an issue.

• 22:01Matt Farah?

  Well, if you look at the video, it's, it's, it's holding something.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Carrying something in the way?

• 22:04Matt Farah?

  It's carrying something in the front. I don't know if it's tires or whatever. It's, it's some kind of load. And it just crush, the guy has clearly no front visibility. Uh, and, and just, just crushes this dude. Now, the, the driver was unhurt. And obviously, it's, it seems like the, the driver then, you know, had, had an attorney. Uh, yeah, he's carrying tires, a bunch of tires.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Front loader's carrying like 20 tires.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  So, yeah, definitely a visibility issue, but man.

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  And, uh, so the, so the driver, uh, attempts to get some, you know, restitution, uh, to get his car fixed. The, the track, the track's lawyers tell him to kick rocks. They, they accuse him of, of being, having his car in the wrong place at the wrong time. They're saying he should have gone into the pits and not passed, and he should have not, his car shouldn't have been there. Is, and, uh, and, and their base, and, and oh, by the way, you signed the waiver. And, and all the things that are pretty much an outright denial of, of responsibility here.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  And it, and it seems like, just for people who are listening, there are two cars at least parked on this. This is the straightaway, the front straight of Laguna Seca. They're both stopped. Because there's a blue GTR, because the red one gets hit so hard, it gets pushed past this other car.

• 23:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  If this person, and I, I don't know what the rule was there, but we'll get into it, like, it doesn't mean that, not only did this red car, quote, make a mistake, another car did too. But that might indicate that they were listening to the track instructions.

• 23:36Matt Farah?

  So, there, the lawyer for the gentleman with the red car, uh, I saw on his Instagram, that this one, the attorney's response. And if you scroll through this, I'm not, this is like, it's thousands of words. It took me 15 minutes to read it. But effectively, it says that this was a red flag situation. The cars were stopped where they were supposed to stop. Uh, your, the, uh, front end loader driver was negligent and did not follow this protocol, this protocol, this protocol. Your staff knew there were cars there and didn't tell that person. Like, all these different, you know, every point that the track used to say, you driver were in the wrong.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  They had a pretty solid rebuttal for of actually, the driver was where he was supposed to be. And even if there was a missed black flag, because apparently, coming down after the corkscrew, this driver in the red car, according to his own statement, was following another car that had mechanical trouble. The car in front was smoking, and had a pointed black flag at that car. Now, he was behind. That car pitted. This, the red car kept going. To me, that's, that's correct track day protocol. Right. And absolute worst case, an easy misinterpretation, and the next flag stand should then have

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  a pointed black flag at you, so that there's no miscommunication, right? You now know that it's you, not, not just that car. But he didn't. Shortly after that, halfway up the straight, red flag. That's everybody pull off the racing line, come to a stop. Yep. That's what that means. And he was, he was sitting there for allegedly about 90 seconds, and then just bam. So they sent this front end loader out on track, while cars were still on track. Apparently, according to this person's attorney, the laws for driving a front end loader with a load that obstructs visibility is you drive it backwards, so you can see. So this is the load in the front, had no spotter vehicle. Yep.

• 25:46Matt Farah?

  But, before the front end loader came by, a silver track worker truck came by. So the track worker, someone from the track knew that those skylines were sitting there. Right. Did not inform anybody else. The flag stand workers, they were trying to say that the driver didn't know, but here's a photo of the driver at the drivers' meeting. And, I mean, I think that the, if the, there's the silver truck going by before the front end loader, I think the, the, the R34 lawyer's letter is incredibly compelling to me. And I would be embarrassed if I was the track, to have not just paid to fix this guy's car.

• 26:29Matt Farah?

  Because now, I mean, yeah, you're Laguna Seca, and you'll always be Laguna Seca, and you're not gonna treat someone bad enough that people won't want to race there anymore. But like, you could've just fixed his fucking car. Like, this is like, real crazy. Well, cause now, I mean, the PR damage of this.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  I don't know, it might turn a lot of people away. It's just, it's just bad optics. It makes you look like shit. It's for, yeah, yeah. Doing stuff on racetracks, having rented them for production, like, people need to be very on point in their communication. And this is why, like, the loader, and they should have been talking to each other and warning each other over and over again that there are cars on the track. This is crazy.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  So I really, the, the guy with the car, uh, his, his, his Instagram is G T R T I N. G T R tin, T I N like the metal. And he's posted it. It's really, it's an interesting read. And if you ask me, who doesn't know a lot about the law, but I know a little something about OSHA, having been certified for this business, and I know a little something about track days. His argument seems incredibly compelling, uh, compared to the tracks argument, which seems to be pretty thin. Folks, one more break for Delete Me. You know what it is, because I've been talking about them for like a year now.

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• 28:29Matt Farah?

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• 29:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, and allegedly, you know, the argument that he signed the waiver and therefore meh, applies to normal track day conditions and risks. You could have a crash with another car or a wall. There could be gravel on the surface or oil on the surface or anything like that. Being hit by heavy machinery while doing the right thing and being stopped is outside of that. That's because you basically negligence nullifies the waiver, right? So that's the argument. I don't know. I think if, I think there can be a settlement that's a lot more than the fucking cost of fixing a car.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah.

• 30:34Matt Farah?

  It's real crazy.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Really crazy, really sad, really nice red R34, has sequential box. I mean, this thing was built really cool.

• 30:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was a really cool looking track day skyline. I bet the thing was a blast to drive. And I'm sure it will be fixed eventually. It doesn't seem like it's fully totaled.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, probably buy it from the insurance company. Well, actually, the value of it's so high that the total price might be very high.

• 30:59Matt Farah?

  That's what I mean. It's tough to total if an R34 Skyline. So that's, I mean, that's pretty, it's pretty, the video itself was wild, but like the denial of it, given the available evidence of what happened.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:17Matt Farah?

  Is pretty, pretty, pretty fucking crazy. Yeah, they could have just fixed his car. I mean, like.

• 31:28Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause and now they're gonna go to court.

• 31:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Hopefully, the GTI owner wins. And then Laguna's gotta pay for the car and legal fees.

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  And the legal fees.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  But it just drags this person through all the mud. That just sucks.

• 31:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's wild, wild stuff, man.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 31:43Matt Farah?

  That's, that's some loser shit.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  If the rules to drive that thing backwards, like drive the loader backwards, that's what you're supposed to do. I mean, that's game over. That should be game over right there from a legal standpoint.

• 31:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, the question is like, if I'm a judge, then I, I think OSHA rules matter. OSHA stuff is definitely cause for being sued if you're not like doing OSHA shit and someone gets hurt. Or if you're not following OSHA regulations, but it's not like, I don't think it's criminal to not follow OSHA regulations. I think it's like, you can scold people for it, and if you get hurt while someone's outside the regulations, you could sue. But I, I don't, it's not like you're gonna go to prison.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  You know, um, that, that's my understanding of it.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  I don't know. I can't imagine the GTI owner wants someone to go to jail. They just want their car fixed because.

• 32:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  They got rear-ended by a giant tractor.

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  While sitting still.

• 32:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, imagine, imagine trying to drive something. Well, we don't have to imagine. I've driven cars with camera rigs in front of my face.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Sure, but this, this guy had 18 tires in front. I mean, it was like, or whatever, 20 of them. And right, it was like the grade of the hill and maybe line of sight, because the loader comes from pretty far back.

• 32:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  But even with that, I guess he just did not see this car. It just obscured that spot for the, you know, the entire duration of the drive. And then wham.

• 33:06Matt Farah?

  That's just, that's just nuts. Yeah. Uh, I hope that guy gets paid. I really do. And a lot more than, than getting, because that's just, that's crazy. That's the kind of, that's the kind of shit where you should get.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Well, what would've cost them 200 grand is gonna cost a million dollars.

• 33:20Matt Farah?

  It should cost a little extra, just for the, just for the, you tried to fuck me over on this and, you know.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  Right, so all morning Zach and I were up on the mountain. If you refresh my Instagram, I put a picture of it right before we started the show. Refreshing the page and there it is. We were up on the hill with a GT3RS. We've covered it pretty extensively before. The reason they wanted us to drive it is they put Michelin PSS5, Pilot Sport S5 tire on it to make it a little more road friendly. Now you can order this tire as a zero cost option or whatever, you can get the sticky tire or this tire. Zach, what do you think?

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Well, it's just too soft now. I mean, now the thing, there's lumbers around, it feels like the tires are flat all the time. Like, it's so funny that we consider this less sticky. It is technically less sticky, but my god, I mean, these have a ton of grip, just like PS4 is. Fantastic, do everything tire, basically. I was totally pleased with the carrying speed through various corners, but it's a very stiff car.

• 34:35Matt Farah?

  So tough.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  And yes, the LA roads are bad, but you know, the canyons here, there's a lot of undulations and a lot of weird things. Some of them have gotten worse because of weather. This thing bounces around a lot. So my takeaway is the same as it was before with this car. On track, I'm sure this is magic. Like, I like, we can talk about the seats in a minute, but the communication of seat to tire, I felt like was very palpable. Like, the outside rear, I could really feel it coming through some of the corners when you lay on the power and stuff. But man, a thing just like literally bounces around on some of these bouncier canyon roads. And to drive this and not take it to the track frequently, you are stunting, but you are literally like, you're stunting your growth because you're gonna like compact

• 35:21Speaker 01

  your own spine over the months and years of ownership.

• 35:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, you know, it needs to be very stiff because the downforce at high speed is gonna be pushing down on the, and it needs to be able to also take a bump at that, at that speed. And so you've got Car and air and everything, but when there's actual bumps in the road, oh my God, is it brutal?

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the it's the short duration bumps that it does not handle well. You know, big dips, big changes, like it does soak that stuff up.

• 35:52Matt Farah?

  Dude, I drove it yesterday from my house to Beverly Hills and back for a doctor's appointment. It was about 15 miles round trip. I got out of this thing like I had driven 1,500 miles, like abused, just my whole body was just crushed. And this morning I put the Tempur-Pedic pillow in it. Cause now that's a must. You gotta have the Tempur-Pedic pillow.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause this car has the buckets.

• 36:20Matt Farah?

  Oh my God. And there's so many, like, the powertrain is amazing. It's so smooth and it winds up. It sounds great. The shifts are great. Those, those fucking paddles that are.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Great action.

• 36:32Matt Farah?

  Ka-kack. It's like, it's like an expensive gun, you know, uh, uh, racking, you know, when you fucking click it. It's just, that's awesome. And the steering is so precise, you know, and it looks mean as hell. Like, yeah, but dude, it's so abusive.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  It's just a stiff, and when it's in like soft mode, when we're on the 405 going north, suspension's in quote soft. It feels like most of the damping is taken out of it. So when we hit some of the larger expansion joints, the car had like that secondary bounce, you know, cause it's just relying on the spring. Wasn't terrible. I'm kind of used to the ride. This reminded me a lot of my car with Club Sports. But this has no rattles because it's like brand new, but over time, I mean, this is going to loosen up some plastic, I'm sure. And you just, it goes back to, if you don't use this for what it is made for, which is Nürburgring records and true lap times. Get the regular one or a different 911 altogether and you can still be fast and you can still look cool.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  And you will just have a better life. You'll have a better living experience.

• 37:35Matt Farah?

  Literally have a better life.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Otherwise, what you're doing is you're walking up to this, you're going, I'm so cool. And if someone, if the right, based on our old show, if the right dude looks at it, you're like, I'm so cool. And then you pull away from the light and you, and then you hate it.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's the shit you do in your twenties. You don't do that shit in your forties.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  That's very true.

• 37:53Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? It's like. Like, it's so... Like, I haven't left a car parked in my driveway so much that I was testing in a long time. Like, I've had this thing for five days, and up till this morning, it had gone 48 miles. Like, it's a supercar.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  You know what this is? This is kind of like the 3500 of sports cars. Because it's quite large. It's a pretty big car. Visibility, actually, with the wing is totally fine, at least for my height. But it's a pretty big car physically, and the ride is an unladen 3500 bed. And so you don't really want to run around town with it, because it's just, it's meant for this towing task. It's not meant for driving around town.

• 38:38Matt Farah?

  That's a... There's probably a fun argument to make there, that the GT3RS is the Dodge 3500 of sports cars.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  There's my article.

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  That's this month's "I'm an Asshole" argument. Um, yeah, it's, it's, and other, you know, it's, it's a beautiful thing, and there's, there's so many, there are nice things about it, and if the road is nice, then it's nice. But if it's not, holy hell.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  And the tire, I mean, the tires didn't fix it, obviously.

• 39:02Matt Farah?

  No, obviously not.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  That's the story. Dynamically fantastic.

• 39:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Like, turning, acceleration, feel, brake response, all that stuff is just awesome.

• 39:12Matt Farah?

  I would say even if you want to use one of these as a road car at all, you should definitely get this tire, because it doesn't make a fucking lick of difference. The car is so much faster than any road will let you go, that even within the limits of this tire, you could be deeply antisocial speeds without that being a problem.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  And I think even if you go to the, I think these tires are great for the track, and for most people...

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  For learning.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  They're good for learning. For most people, they will be totally fine. And then eventually, sure, like, if, depending on what skill level you're coming in with, you might want something stickier, but then you'll just burn through these, and then get something stickier. But this is tough, this is fine.

• 39:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You should get that tire, probably. It'll, it'll... You'd be annoyed at how short the life is of the other tires too.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:59Matt Farah?

  But it's a tough, when I see people driving these in the street, I'm like, "Hope you're happy with how you look."

• 40:06Speaker 01

  And then, I mean, the buckets, laterally, the support's great and they do talk to you, but, and I know we hit this a lot, there's no lumbar. So if you have a spine that likes, that doesn't like to be sat concave, meaning where you feel like you're curled forward slightly, you will not like this seat. And I wish you could take the cushion out of these, or order it from Porsche with like, three different thicknesses, something like that, but it's all stitched in there. So you'd have to have it like, cut up, you'd have to have the seat cut apart, and reupholstered.

• 40:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  That's not gonna be great.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  It's not a removable cushion that you could just have like stuffed more.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  They should do that.

• 40:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That would be, I wonder if special wishes includes lumbar.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Porsche, here's how you do it. You offer this pillow, you charge more money, people could pick contrasting colors, and thicknesses, and, alright, just do that. Charge people more money, you're already charging a ton.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  So charge them another three grand and offer a lumbar pillow, but it would be essential.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, you know what I love about this car? The door handles.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Cause they're door handles?

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  Cause they're door handles. They're not pop-out power door handles like the other 992s.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 41:09Matt Farah?

  They're the old-school grab handles like my car has, like, that's just better. Just go back to that. That's just, that was not a system that needed reinventing at all.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  I think, you see this story, I think China's banning the Tesla pop-out things?

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  They're bad. That shouldn't be a thing. It's frozen, it's fucking on fire, like, you need to be able to have a fucking door handle. I get, I, I, I kind of get why a company might want them for aerodynamics, or allegedly, according to, I forget if it was Isaacson's book, or Niedermeyer's book, or, you know, he just, Elon just thought they looked better, and insisted that they have them. But, a lot, a lot of people chased them down that rabbit hole. Chasing Tesla led to a lot of bad car choices.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Someone in the chat recommended P1 Design seat inserts for these.

• 42:06Matt Farah?

  P1 Design?

• 42:08Speaker 01

  We do not have an affiliate link, but this is a possible solution.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  Okay, so you could, uh, wow.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 42:16Matt Farah?

  Those are expensive. It's thirteen hundred bucks.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  They are, but does that just pop out?

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  Carbon fiber seat in, I guess.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  For the SD? That's pretty cool.

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  Alright. So you can get, you can probably get memory foam, integrated inflatable lumbar support. There you go. So that's a go.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  If you can integrate inflatable lumbar and choose from one of, what is, this is like, holy shit. Fifty different tartan plaids?

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  That's not a bad deal.

• 42:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  That's really not a bad deal. If this just pops out and you don't have to have it stitched in.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good. You get the whole thing plus lumbar, that's alright. That's probably more. Lumbar is more.

• 42:57Matt Farah?

  But that's cool.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  And that's for, that's a set for two.

• 43:02Matt Farah?

  That's not per seat.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Right. This is a pretty good deal.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  Not bad.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 43:06Matt Farah?

  Okay. If you're already into a car for a hundred and fifty, three hundred thousand dollars, what, yeah. Costs, it costs less than some pretty stupid shit you put on that car.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Ours had the VISA package. Most people don't need that.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Okay. So yeah, should we go to the people?

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:23Matt Farah?

  Did we give the people enough time today?

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  Great. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is the team that keeps the ship afloat. And my challenge for this month is rise against song titles. So if you've got a username that fits there, let's fucking go. Joining the Patreon over at Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast. You get to go watch the show live, listen to the show live, get the show the same day it's recorded, get the show without ads, get extra show. I think there's something else I forgot, but let's go to those folks. Mitsubishi Delikioso. Pretty good. I want a weekend car and I'm somewhere between an NC Miata and a BMW 135i.

• 44:10Matt Farah?

  BMW has higher comfort and wife acceptance, but I've owned two Miata's before and love them on track. Should I be scared of the 135i maintenance enough to avoid it or not a big deal? If I'm used to track car maintenance and reliability, I've never owned a German before.

• 44:29Matt Farah?

  I recall that one series are outsized expensive.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Well, especially the N54, I believe, because then they switched to the N55. And the N54, I think, was even more problematic in the 135. Now, you say you're used to track car maintenance, but you are used to Miata track car maintenance, I think, pretty bulletproof. The 135s are not.

• 44:53Matt Farah?

  We had to put a lot of money into a 135.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 44:58Matt Farah?

  Into very, very basic things.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:00Matt Farah?

  And a car that didn't have a crazy amount of mileage on it either.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  True, and a journalist, Jake, what's your last name? I can't remember if you're listening, I'm sorry. This guy's had a 135 track car for like six years and dumped a lot of money into it. I mean, you will constantly be messing with stuff beyond brakes, tires, consumables. Like, you will probably be repairing things. Look through the forums, maybe there's answers on like aftermarket parts that bolster things that break, but...

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  I would say, can you find a next generation 228 M Sport? I think it would be less problematic, a little lighter on its feet, better steering, and I think the wife would maybe like it.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  That's a good call.

• 45:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Listen and sometimes watch, says the 0106 R53 Mini Cooper S feels underappreciated. Not on this program, sir. How do you think they hold up as fun project drivers' cars in 2026? Low, mid-mileage examples can be picked up for 10K. I've said it a million times, my 06 John Cooper Works is one of my favorite cars I've ever had. Rarely has a better car than that been sold. It was very light, it was very small, it had a huge interior for the outside size, and it made some fucking awesome sounds, and it was fast and had great inputs.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:24Matt Farah?

  And Mini has only gone downhill since then.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  So, but, they are expensive to maintain. I sold mine literally 100 miles before the warranty ran out. It didn't break a lot, mine was pretty reliable, but I bought it new. So, who the fuck knows?

• 46:43Speaker 01

  60,000 miles, they kind of shake apart. Thad's was really starting to fall.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  And his didn't have that many miles on it, right?

• 46:50Speaker 01

  He had like 36 or something.

• 46:53Matt Farah?

  Thad had an S.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:55Matt Farah?

  And, and, but he didn't treat his as well as I treated mine.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Well, he lives here with it, so the roads are bump, so like a lot of his plastic was starting to jiggle.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  I was commuting in and out of New York City.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I had 18 inch wheels.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  We road tripped his a lot. He might not have taken as, as good care of it. I don't know. But it, it was just losing parts pretty quickly.

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  His was a little more of a workhorse, I think, than mine was, but, but, uh.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  I loved it.

• 47:19Matt Farah?

  Dynamically, fucking no notes. They're great. Yeah, they're, they're a good time. I blow horns. What cars have extremely wide front tires that still have good steering feel and minimal tramlining? None. That's, that's not a thing. One leads to the other.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Once they get too wide, I think as they get wider, it usually improves steering feel or like brings the weight up a little bit, but if it gets, they get too big, then you start tramlining more and more. Plus alignment matters a lot for that.

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  So I sort of disagree with that. I don't think making the tires wider improves the steering feel. I think it improves the turn in, but I don't think it gives you more feel.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  I feel like it gave me more feedback on my cars because it's, because there's more resistance on the wheel in the corner versus like the 255s or 235s really that it came with.

• 48:07Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  I mean, you have, you have a larger patch with which the road is pushing against the wheel, which is then pushing on the steering. But.

• 48:14Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  But I think it's diminished, once you get to, you know, 29, 265s are okay, but it, once you get to like 305,

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  315, like now it's going to dart all over the place and follow every little line.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  I don't know if I've ever driven a car that had 275 or more at the front where I really liked the steering. I'm not sure I've ever seen that.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Uh, well, yeah, like how was Dark Horse on track? Cause it tramlines a bit on road, right?

• 48:45Matt Farah?

  There's no feel. There's no feel. It's sharp. It, it, it gets the job done. That's what I'm saying. Like usually when you have really wide front tires, you have really boosted steering.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 48:54Matt Farah?

  To deal with the front tires.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 48:56Matt Farah?

  Cause people don't want super heavy steering. So it ends up turning in great, but you don't feel it. Vanquish, same thing.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  David Tuig responded to our call for help on the show. We were talking about steering feel a few weeks ago. And if you need to move more tire, you need a larger pump to move more fluid and that usually leads to less feel.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  So I think those are in a lot of ways like kind of inverse things and the cars with like the best steering feel. I want to say have like 235 to 255 front tires and that in that. Unless they're old cars and it's like 205 like mea meados or whatever the fuck, but.

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  You if you the best steering feel is if you have front tires narrow enough where you can have manual steering.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:38Matt Farah?

  And if you have a car where it's light enough like a Lotus or a Porsche 356 or an early 911 where you can run. You know, 205 fronts, 225 fronts and have a manual steering rack that isn't too heavy. I mean, that's like glory. That's fabulous. Very rare, though, you could have something like that in a new car.

• 49:58Matt Farah?

  Came it.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  Came in my asks.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Came in my asks.

• 50:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. When selling a car in Florida, what does one do to avoid the stereotype of a Florida car? Already fucked, bro. The car's got a Florida title on it. Uh, what can you do? So I have a rule, which is never buy a car from Florida. I think that's a pretty good rule to live by and it doesn't really restrict my life in any way. Florida is like the title washing capital of the world and they have floods and rust and.

• 50:32Matt Farah?

  Florida cars are so smelly.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Humidity is not good for our interiors, yeah.

• 50:37Matt Farah?

  Sunscreen and like cream all over, oh. And they have Florida people, they never drive with the windows down. So all of the people smells are like contained and not so.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  It also depends on the age of the car. I feel like selling a Florida car, and I know I'm going to get some heat for this. Is a little bit like owning a pit bull. Like when you walk up, you have to. So when you're selling the car, you need to explain very quickly. That you do not have a problematic dog. Your dog is very sweet and here's why. So you have to be like.

• 51:02Matt Farah?

  I know what they say.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, but I my I don't have the mold problem because and it's not a salvage title. Here's the proof like. You need to think of all the criticisms criticisms Matt just said.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  To be in the listing.

• 51:14Matt Farah?

  The burden of proof is on you.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  It is. It is not on the state.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah. Listen, you don't want to pay fucking taxes? You want to live and you want to live down there in the fucking place where there's no laws?

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Or you just?

• 51:25Matt Farah?

  This is the other side of that.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  If you happen to live there and that's the environment. You need to think of what problems is the buyer going to be looking for?

• 51:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  And you have to explain, you have to give the answers upfront.

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  Like, you need to understand that my 13% state taxes are buying me the benefit of the doubt when I sell my car that you're not getting. So taxes buy civilization, that's what I'm saying. Um, but, but also, yeah, sucks to be you, man, that's on you. You got to prove to me that your car is not a piece of shit. That's tough.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Imagine you're on Tinder and your last name is Bin Laden. And you, in that profile, you have to say, I, not from that family. I'm from way over here.

• 52:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  You know, something like that.

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  Think about how many Epsteins there are in the Northeast. That's a great question. How many unrelated, you know, fucking, poor, poor little Brian Epstein is having a bad freshman year of college right now at Brown University.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta be like, not, not from that family.

• 52:26Matt Farah?

  There's at least two in, in the high school that I went to. Yeah.

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  Reform temples all over the Metro North corridor.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  According to MyNameStats.com, quickly searched, there's an estimated, uh, 15,000 people named Epstein in the United States. That is fif- that's, that means there are 1, 15,673 people that are having to say, no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand.

• 52:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  And one guy who's dead.

• 52:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And one who doesn't say anything anymore.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  He doesn't say anything anymore.

• 52:57Matt Farah?

  Except through his emails.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  He really is speaking forever through his emails.

• 53:04Matt Farah?

  Prayer of the refugee wagon.

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  Now, hang on.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  That's residence, huh?

• 53:09Matt Farah?

  It is. Prayer of the Refugee is a... But what is it? What is the wagon? Refugee wagon? Am I... How does it? I'm not sure.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Is there a refugee wagon? I'll find out.

• 53:17Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Is that a... Is there a... Uh... What's a meal you like cooking that's easy, but people think is complicated? Hmm. Oh, Korean tacos. Korean tacos, if you wanna fucking impress somebody

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:31Matt Farah?

  who's coming to dinner at your house, you can whip up... Assuming you have one decent Korean or Japanese market in your neighborhood, you can, like... You can make Korean tacos in about 15 minutes, and it will be the best meal that someone's ever had.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. You buy the sauce to cook the meat, and then you buy all the sides at the market.

• 53:52Matt Farah?

  And then you buy tortillas.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  And then you make a... I make a guacamole, like an Asian guacamole that's avocado, cucumbers, and then a dressing of soy sauce, sesame oil, rice vinegar, and mirin. And that becomes like an Asian guac that goes on your tacos. You do some bulgogi beef, you do some kalbi pork, you do some sesame chicken, you chop all them shits up, and then you make Korean tacos and impress your friends.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:18Matt Farah?

  I make the... I make Korean tacos every two weeks, probably. I'll have five, six people over for dinner, and it's great, cuz it's like brain off, and I don't have to start cooking at 2 o'clock. I love... I love cooking all day, but you don't always wanna have to do that. Um... Accidental reverse entry. How does a Lotus compare to a 718 dynamically and for road trips? Assume you mean an Amira. Right? Um... I mean, these are the... These are your two choices, right? Uh... Um, let's see.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  I feel like the Amira rides softer. I feel like the Lotus has just a little bit softer springs, soaks bumps a little bit better. It's just a more comfortable car.

• 54:59Matt Farah?

  I think if... That's probably true compared to like my car, but I doubt that would be true compared to like a base.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Like a 718S?

• 55:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like a base or a... It's probably... It's probably more... An Amira is probably about where an S is, in terms of ride quality. The Porsche feels like it's built a little better, but the Lotus is still built very nicely.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  I would say the Lotus build quality is about the same as like maybe the Supras? They feel about the same?

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 55:29Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, BMW-ish.

• 55:30Matt Farah?

  We lived out of a Lotus for a week. It was nice.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  It was.

• 55:34Matt Farah?

  It was comfortable.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Seats are really comfortable. I think the contrast stitching looked really good. Door card, I think the door card is much more interesting and more comfortable than Porsche. Porsche is just, I don't know, I'm just too familiar with it.

• 55:44Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  So I think they did good design inside.

• 55:47Matt Farah?

  The Porsche throttle response is a little more precise compared to the Lotus is. You still have to do that kind of slow deliberate blip with the Lotus, I mean the V6.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  And the downshifts were inconsistent. The throttle response on downshift was weird, which then made downshifting a little challenging. And something that we've all, like us and colleagues noticed is when you're downshifting, sometimes the shifter like moves, like the gate location.

• 56:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  You know, the address changes a little bit because of the twist of everything.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  That does not happen in Porsche.

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  But certainly the Amira is more exotic and interesting than a lesser 718. It looks like a little McLaren. I think it's a fabulous looking car. It was really nice on a road trip.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Cool. Lesser visibility because you look in the rearview mirror and you see the supercharger, like you see the throttle body.

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  The linkage.

• 56:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 56:42Matt Farah?

  I feel like, I mean, even in the review, it's like the Lotus is the best thing to buy if you don't want a Cayman.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:49Matt Farah?

  It's hard to, I can't, I'm not going to say the Cayman isn't objectively better car because I think it probably is, but that...

• 56:57Speaker 01

  I think it's a squeaker. I think it's a really close race.

• 57:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  And like own the Lotus for a year and then maybe you'll find you want to go over to the other side after that year, but you should definitely own one for a bit.

• 57:08Matt Farah?

  The Lotus is awesome.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:10Matt Farah?

  I thought the Lotus was a great car, really, really enjoyable to drive and use as a car. It's not like, it doesn't ask very much of you.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  Plus parcel shelf.

• 57:18Matt Farah?

  Parcel shelf is good.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:20Matt Farah?

  But like you could buy that and just use it as your car.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:22Matt Farah?

  Like it doesn't need to be something that's just like saved for the weekends. Like it could totally just be your car. Give it all while smoking the tires, okay? Little rise against drop, fuck, marry, kill. Okay, we haven't done one in a while. Uh, Larry Chen's 996 Turbo, Magnus Walker's 277 car, and Scotto's RWB 964 Turbo.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Which of these have you driven?

• 57:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, only the 277 car.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  I've never driven Scotto's car or Larry Chen's 996 Turbo. So, I mean, just on vibes, uh, I would, uh, fuck Magnus's car, marry Scotto's car, and kill Larry's car. And there's not, and because Scotto's car isn't like any RWB.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  It's not, yeah.

• 58:12Matt Farah?

  That's a particularly special one.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 58:14Matt Farah?

  It's got an Andile engine, it's a real 964 Turbo, it was the first one ever done in America, and it has the proper suspension setup by BBI, so like it actually will drive properly and not drive fucking stupid.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  It looks awesome, and it keeps going up in value just, you know, because it has all these correct modifications.

• 58:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, anyway. Uh, Hot Dog Ouroboros, oh, shot, wants to shout out off the record. Loving it, way to, way to use him. Okay, uh, let's see. Steve Martigani says, uh, the drive recently had an interview with the CEO of Porsche, who said, "The Cayman and Boxer may be discontinued completely due to the re-engineering costs going on. Should Porsche consider bringing a less expensive 911 variant to market to fill the void, perhaps with a four-cylinder, narrow body and less weight, resurrecting the 912? There's a precedent in the current market with the AMG GT43," which we just talked about.

• 59:13Matt Farah?

  The AMG GT43, uh, AMG GT43 sucks. It sucks. And if that's you're saying is the precedent for 911, uh, doing something, don't.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Well, and to be specific, the 43 engine just feels very unrefined. It feels like it'd be in place in a rally car. It's really buzzy, it vibrates the chassis a lot. It's really, it's almost strangely loud. For that car.

• 59:38Matt Farah?

  Imagine a grand tourer with a Mitsubishi Evo 6 powertrain in it.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  That's what that car is.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  The whole thing. And compared to like the Boxer Cayman that had the four cylinder. That thing, opposed four cylinder, but still, I felt like much smoother, much more refined than the 43 engine.

• 59:54Matt Farah?

  My, my thought about the four cylinder, it is Porsche barely got fucking people to accept it in the Boxer and the Cayman.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  They really only sold four cylinder Boxers and Caymans to people that, I don't want to say weren't real Porsche people or anything like that, but like a lot of the four cylinder Boxers and Caymans that you see driving around are being driven by sort of regular folks who want a cute car. They're not being driven at, they're not, we, we don't see them up on the mountain.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:00:28Matt Farah?

  On the, when we go up the mountain, we see six cylinder. They're GTSs or GT4s or spiders or older ones.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Matt Farah?

  We do not see a whole bunch of four cylinder cars. There is, I don't, I don't see any evidence coming from anywhere that Porsche needs to move down market with the 911. It's the only car they have right now that's making a goddamn fortune. Everything else is not doing great.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:00:53Matt Farah?

  For Porsche, but everybody wants 911s.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  And I think, I think the 2.5, you also probably see more of them in Europe where people get taxed based on cylinder or engine size.

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  Displacement.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Displacement. So that, that's a big factor for those things, but we don't have that here.

• 1:01:07Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, I think Porsche's best way forward is to just keep making Boxers and Caymans. I mean, that, in my opinion.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. If they can undo the engineering they did for the electric cars, you know, that's, that's the pickle they're in right now. They spent all this money. And, and the EU says they have to, and the USA right now says they don't have to. And they're like, well, how do we flip this factory around or have it make, you know, two different cars essentially.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't, you know, I don't have the right answer. But I don't think the answer is a down mark at nine eleven. I think it's figuring out how to build your sports cars. You know, whatever, whatever that is, you're gonna have to figure out how to be the company that still makes sports cars over here. One way or the other. Bring AI trailer.

• 1:01:56Matt Farah?

  You have the opportunity to tell your eighteen year old self about a future classic to purchase and hold. What do you purchase with the money you had available at that time? Eighteen? So. Oh, my god. I've told you about when twelve year old me.

• 1:02:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, maybe thirteen year old me, when my dad. Got money, right, when he first got money. And I mean, he'd always been working, he'd been a, you know, up and coming executive, but he left to get a new job with Macy's. And the company he left acquired Macy's. Which messed up his whole contract, so he sued for his whole contract and won. So we got his, he got like a fifteen year contract in like one payment. That's when we got money, okay? And I, and that was when I first kind of figured out that, oh, like, we got, we got money. And we got a pool. You know, it was like it was Clark Griswold level, we got the pool. Right. So I made a list.

• 1:02:57Matt Farah?

  I was like, Dad, you should buy these cars as investment. And the list, I would have crushed. I would have crushed McLaren F1, Ferrari F40, Ferrari F50, Diablo, Diablo S. Whatever it was, it was the SE30, I believe, at the time. We would have fucking crushed. Crushed if we had bought, if my dad had bought my 12-year-old list. Yeah, yeah. It would have been amazing. Uh, probably would, we probably could have actually beat the stock market.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, you know, he probably just invested in.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  No, he did better than me. I, I actually, we, I did, I gamed it out like maybe eight years ago or so and he beat the S, the, the stock market. His, his investments beat the stock market, but so did the fucking my car investments. But his investments beat my hypothetical cars.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  I think, I think when I went to college, I think I had like three grand total to my name, so I think the only thing I could afford that would be, is like a really clean 1991, like 325 IS, or maybe a, a high mileage, like E30 M3. Cause no, no one cared about those, and then I would have to sit on it for like, you know, till 2021.

• 1:04:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  And then it would go up by like 10 or 20x.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  So the money, okay, so here's what I would have done. Uh, with the money I actually had at the time. Cause at the time when I was 18, I had, I had, you know, I had, I had bought my own, uh, my dad said, you know, I think this was the right move. Uh, you, you, you want your own car, you want a car, you need to go to work, you need to earn money and, and, you know, I want you to have a safe car, so whatever you earn, I'll match. Which, you know, allowed me to go from, I saved $13,000 from work selling shoes and it allowed me to get a $26,000 car. So I ended up getting that Subaru Legacy GT. Um, so let's assume, let's assume that I had $26,000.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:50Matt Farah?

  To, to, to invest.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  What I wanted to buy, and my dad wouldn't let me buy, was a two-year-old black Celine S351 Speedster. So like, and it was like 24 grand. So like, how, if I bought that and held on to that, I could probably do okay on that today. I probably, I could probably double that money in raw dollars, unadjusted. Right? 55,000 bucks, black, black 351 Speedster, I bet you I could have. Right? Yeah. But damn, my dad, we would have, we would have killed Negaro Blue Balls. Like that. Have you ever had to talk someone out of a car you knew they'd regret?

• 1:05:34Matt Farah?

  Tried talking someone out of buying an 03 RS6, they didn't, and eight months later the transmission went. Wow. Yes, I have tried to talk people out of cars that I knew they would regret. And I, I, I try, you know, it's like, that's like, the problem with that is it's like someone, uh, they go, you know, I just broke up with Kathy, and you go, she was a fucking cunt anyway. And then they get back together two weeks later, and you're like, oh god, you know, that's, you can't, so you gotta tread very, very lightly. Um, yeah.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Cause you might crush their dream. If someone goes, I'm thinking about getting this, and they just want you to say, good idea. You gotta read that face, cause otherwise you might just ruin their dream, and then they, and then they'll get it anyway, and it'll fall apart, and you don't wanna be like, I told you so, but, uh, that's tough.

• 1:06:21Matt Farah?

  The only time I, I really do bring it up, cause I genuinely want people to be happy with their car. Like, if you think you like a car that I don't really like, and I go, why do you like that? And they go, I like the buttons on the steering wheel, and fucking shape of the wheels. I go, okay, cool. Like, the only, like, there's a couple of times where I knew cars were like, really unsafe. And I was like, I don't, I, I don't like you driving this, I don't, it's not safe. First gen Highlanders, like with my sister, like, every time I would drive that car, every time, I could press the brake pedal to the floorboard.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 1:06:56Matt Farah?

  And not activate the ABS. And she was like, I'm gonna get another one, I was like, I, I really don't want you to. Well, she did, and, uh, a hub seized up, and she rolled three times on the New Jersey Turnpike. So, I was right, unsafe car. Nobody should ever drive a first generation Toyota Highlander, they're so dangerous. Um, cost Cobb tuning.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy, these are tough. These are tough. Looking for a $10,000 to $12,000 third car.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  It's hard because it depends on where you live.

• 1:07:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  You know, prices are very different here than middle of America or east coast, especially, I mean, a BMW.

• 1:07:37Matt Farah?

  Cos Cob, I can, I can guess. That's Connecticut where I'm from.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:07:41Matt Farah?

  Cos Cob is the town next to Greenwich. So, let's assume that's where they live. Um, I have a BMW 340 for commuting and a BRZ for track work. I want a cruiser. Interested in R129 SLs and Alfa Spiders. Uh, I loved your R129. Can you go into some detail about why you got rid of it and your experience with it? My experience with my SL was great. I bought it for $17,000. Uh, I had put 10,000 miles on it in two years. I did one service and it was a kind of big service, so it was like 1,100 bucks. And then I sold it for the exact same amount of money I put into it. Uh, and the guy's still driving it around. I see the guy around, uh, here in LA.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Probably more reliable than the Alfa.

• 1:08:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. Um, and it was a fine automobile. I thought it looked great. It rode well. It was comfortable. It, it, uh, it was absolutely fucking beautiful, beautiful car, but it just wasn't all that interesting to drive. It was just an automatic, you know, floaty cruiser. And so if what you want is a cruiser, there you go. Like, like, I'm, I'm interested in another cruiser. That's why we're doing this Mercedes project up the road here. But, um, I drove it for two years and, uh, I sold it because Hannah and I looked at each other and we said, we have six cars between the two of us and not a single backseat.

• 1:09:06Matt Farah?

  We had six two-seater cars. We were like, this is fucking dumb. And so we sold the least interesting of the cars and bought the Delica, the van. So, um, which Hannah then daily drove for a year. So, um...

• 1:09:23Matt Farah?

  We didn't sell it because anything was wrong with it, or because it didn't do exactly the thing it promised. It did all those things great, and it's still doing them today with a new owner. We just, you know, sometimes you have too many cars. But the Alphas are interesting, and if you maintain them properly and keep after stuff, they're, they're pretty fun. Also, you know, E30 BMWs are fun.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  That's almost like a combination of the two, especially if you've got a convertible. E30 convertible, then you've got the top-down experience, pretty engaging, but it'll be smooth and comfortable like the Mercedes.

• 1:09:56Matt Farah?

  Sure. And, uh, yeah, either of those would be fun. I would say also, for 10 to 12K though, it's pretty limited, pretty limited. I don't know, I don't know. You might just fucking put them parameters in, you know, whatever, wherever, AutoTempest, or wherever you're looking for a car, and just like, see what oddballs pop up. That's gonna be a, you put your price range in there, and there might be, you might find like, I don't know, an awesome like Scirocco, or some other thing that like, I wouldn't have thought of.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  What was the Lincoln Mark VII? Was that the car that was like?

• 1:10:29Matt Farah?

  The Fox Body.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was like fast.

• 1:10:31Matt Farah?

  The Mark VII and the Mark VIII is the roundy one with the 4 cam.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  That's the one.

• 1:10:35Matt Farah?

  The Mark VII is the Fox Body.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Mark VIII, those are kinda dope.

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  You could mob them.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a good cruiser.

• 1:10:41Matt Farah?

  Nino Pinto Santa Maria, going to Chattanooga for a bachelor party, considering renting something fun on Turo. I could do a Miata for 250, or a base C8 for 750. I would, that sucks. Those, that's, that's shit rates, dude.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  That's expensive.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  It's really expensive.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  I mean, I think the C8's more fun, because when you turn it on, it'll sound cool, and it'll sound cool every time you leave a stoplight. And the Miata is not those things. But it just depends what you're doing with the car.

• 1:11:10Matt Farah?

  I don't think it's that far, but how far is it from Chattanooga to, uh, Deals Gap? Chattanooga, Tennessee, because if you're, are we doing Tale of the Dragon and those roads on this trip? So just do Chattanooga to Deals Gap. It's not that far. Two and a half hours. Okay, so you could do, you know, you can do Tale of the Dragon.

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  And that could be, bro, you could have, if you did.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Well, these roads, this'll be good right here.

• 1:11:39Matt Farah?

  That one's good, but zoom in, if you zoom in more, you do that road, see Teleco Plains in the top right? You take that road, you go north on this to hit Teleco, I think that's the 676 or the 67. Whatever that road is that goes from McCaseville to Teleco Plains, that's a great road. You take that, so you go east out of Chattanooga to Teleco Plains, and then Teleco Plains to Robbinsville, that's the Charahola Skyway.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  So you do like this?

• 1:12:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you do that, and then you, and then you bring that one, that, that is the Charahola Skyway. So, there you go. So now you got 100, and then if you do, drag the Deals Gap one up to the north end of the Dragon. Deals Gap is the south end of the Dragon, so drag that pin further up to the north end of the Dragon, to, to, to Tallasi there. So there you go. You got 177 miles from Chattanooga to the north end of the Dragon. That drive is fire.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's Miata, in my opinion. That would be great.

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  The Dragon is, is, is Miata, the Skyway is Corvette.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  But you could have fun in a Miata too.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't, I don't think the Corvette's three times the fun on that road, though.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 1:12:49Matt Farah?

  I'd go, I'd probably go Miata.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Uh, don't do this the day after you all go drinking. You will hate it.

• 1:12:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but that's a, that's a good way to spend three hours before drinking.

• 1:13:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, Michael Cosgrove wants to know, is there a way to link the Angeles Forest roads to the Malibu Canyon roads? There is not. They are in very opposite sides of the city.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  You link them with a freeway.

• 1:13:16Matt Farah?

  You can link.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  That's what you do.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you come, you have to come down to the freeway. There's not, there's not a way to do it.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Which is fine. It's like a, I don't know, it's like a break. You come down, you get gas.

• 1:13:27Matt Farah?

  You take the 118 all the way, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, freeway, sorry. You could connect, you could connect the Northern Angeles Forest to the Central Angeles Forest,

• 1:13:38Matt Farah?

  but those are the only two sections that can be connected with Canyon Roads.

• 1:13:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, Zach's underdrive pulley. With the increase in tariffs slated for South Korea, does the Elantra N lose its allure when the price crosses into the $40,000 range? I think it's still gonna be the cheapest car in its class.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really fast. It's a bummer that it's going up to that, because it was, you know, it was such a bargain. But it's still, like, what's a Civic Type R? It's chasing Civic Type Rs, and that MSRP is, what, 46? Civic Type R now is like 46 grand to start, so it's still five, maybe five grand cheaper than that, and it's just as quick, just as comfortable, all that stuff.

• 1:14:21Matt Farah?

  It's 10% cheaper than the Civic Type R, you know, if they maintain that all the way up.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  It is a bummer, though, that it's, because it used to be like 34, right?

• 1:14:29Matt Farah?

  I think they started in the low 30s, but, yeah, but that was like 2017 when that car came out. That car came out a long time ago. Uh, no, not 2017. Was the Veloster N before the Elantra N? I think it was. So the Veloster N was 2020.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  I would also add that the tariffs change every week, so just wait and it might be go back to zero.

• 1:14:51Matt Farah?

  Hyundai might fucking bribe Trump tomorrow.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  They might produce Melania 2, Electric Boogaloo, or whatever.

• 1:14:56Matt Farah?

  Wasn't it the Hyundai factory where a fucking ICE raided it in Georgia, right?

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:15:02Matt Farah?

  And they all fucking, they got detained, and they were like, "We're fucking out, dude. What are you doing?" Like, uh, Zach clapped my cheeks. "When would you feel comfortable letting a younger family member ride in your quote 'unsafe' car? My six-year-old nephew is massively into cars, thanks to his uncle, me. He keeps bugging me about him letting him ride in my Lotus Elise. For now, I get by saying he needs to be older and taller, but I'm not comfortable at all letting him ride in it until he's an adult. It's one thing to accept the lack of safety for myself, but to be responsible for another human being who's a minor is completely different, and I'm overthinking it too much."

• 1:15:44Matt Farah?

  Uh, look, I don't have kids, but like...

• 1:15:49Matt Farah?

  Quick judgment, yeah, you're overthinking this, bro. I mean, I, I, I understand not wanting to put a five-year-old in a car without a car seat or something like that, but a Lotus Elise is not that unsafe of a vehicle.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Well, I think, you know, the kid's too small to like, sit in the seat properly.

• 1:16:05Matt Farah?

  Right, right, but, but until he's an adult?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, eighteen's too late, you could wait till fifteen.

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  If you're, if you're twelve, you can sit in a fucking car, in a sports car, like.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  On the side of the person, sure.

• 1:16:14Matt Farah?

  I, I, I.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  And, you also can, you can keep the driving very local, like, uh, like around the neighborhood. Because if the kid's really excited about this, just hearing it start and like, doing a first gear pull will probably be exciting.

• 1:16:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  So you can just do that really in a quiet neighborhood or whatever area, and then just go back to the house, and just, that's fine for now. You don't have to like, take them on a canyon run or out for hours.

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  Well, when I, and when I read the first sentence of this question, I thought he was gonna say, an Ariel Atom, some crazy old thing, or, you know, whatever, like, to me, an Elise is a modern car, like, it's not.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it has fewer airbags than like a RVX.

• 1:16:54Matt Farah?

  That's not, that's not that unsafe, if you're talking, I'm not, I'm, again, an unbelted child, or someone, a child that's small enough where they're supposed to be in a backwards-facing seat, or, or any of that kind of stuff, I, I get it, but like, to say, you know, someone who's, who's twelve, or thirteen, or, uh, you know, can't handle like, a quick ride in a, in a, an older sports car, I think is an extreme.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  I don't know, a very quick Google, and, and people can comment if this is wrong on Reddit, is people were saying that one of the reasons that the Elise and X, after 2011 are considered street, uh, kick cars, is one, the passenger airbag is not child-safe, and then the fiberglass clamshell won't pass the five mile per hour bumper test. So, I think if we had kids, you'd go, I want the safest car around, because this is a very precious being to me. So, if they're, you know, and it is the uncle, so god forbid something does happen in this car.

• 1:17:49Matt Farah?

  Do the kid's parents have an opinion on this?

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  I mean, of course they do, I would assume they do, but, may, and maybe the parents are cool with it, but the uncle's the more responsible one, I don't know.

• 1:17:58Matt Farah?

  I don't know, I.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  A lot of factors.

• 1:18:00Matt Farah?

  I, I took my nephew out for a quick run in the Manx. And I didn't think much of it. I mean, I just, you know, I didn't.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  I'd just say keep the route real small.

• 1:18:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  And, and safe where there's not cars going 50 miles per hour and just give them a little taste of that and then that'll be it. So.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's impossible to control everybody in the world.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:18:26Matt Farah?

  But like, if you.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Elon's trying. Because soon the minder robot will ride in the backseat.

• 1:18:32Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  And it will, it'll hold the child. It'll hold the child.

• 1:18:36Matt Farah?

  There are people that are legitimately trying.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  I am the seatbelt.

• 1:18:39Matt Farah?

  Most of them fucking New Epstein. Isaiah Stanley says, uh, I recall Matt was not super into VW bugs in the past. As of late, you seem to like them more. Is there any specific that changed my opinion? I, I'm not that into bugs now.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  I think you talked about, someone asked about like cool old stuff you can buy for kinda cheap. And you're like, they said they're all manner of air-cooled bugs.

• 1:19:02Matt Farah?

  Sure. I mean, if, if you want a cheap project car cruiser, thing to learn, stick on, thing that's, you know, culturally significant, sure, but like, they don't do shit for me. But like, if I see a nice one, I'm, oh, that's nice. But like, no, I mean, my love for my Manx is, my Manx has fucking functionally nothing to do with Volkswagen. No, there's, there's nothing other than a cut and heavily welded up pan and a VIN number.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  My shit don't have nothing to do with Volkswagen. Brake Paddington Bear?

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  Why don't Honda, Yamaha, et cetera, don't make track only toys? Their side-by-sides do a massive business and it seems their parts bin is deep enough to make something pretty neat for a decent price.

• 1:19:51Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I think the side-by-sides can get by being very unsafe in a crash. The way that the, that a car that's gonna be raced on track could not get away with. Like side by sides are fun as shit, but like those things are mad dangerous.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Uh, they are and you, well, I mean, on track, you've got multiple vehicles, close proximity, a lot. Walls depending. So there's just, there's a lot more exposure to hard things, I think than there are off-roading.

• 1:20:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know if they're, if they're looking for a niche within a niche.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, the side by sides, they sell a lot of them. And I don't think they need to try to crack into the KTM expo market, which is pretty small. Right? Isn't that the track thing that KTM makes?

• 1:20:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, the, the market for all track day toys compared to the market for side by sides is like nothing.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:41Matt Farah?

  You know, it's like, that's like saying, why doesn't McDonald's open a five star steakhouse? Why? They could spend all their billions of dollars and go eat steak at the steakhouse like up the road. They don't need, they don't need to use their giant mass market to break into a tiny niche.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Well, and the track car market is even more niche. It's like, why don't they use their, their giant McDonald's corporation to make a vegan sushi place? It's like a thing within a thing within a thing. The market is tiny.

• 1:21:10Matt Farah?

  OG Cushman three wheel golf cart. Uh, if you had the opportunity to build the ultimate sleeper car, what would you do? Uh, I have it. My, my pink car. My pink car is, is that for me.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Is that a sleeper though? I mean, it's pink, it has gold wheels and it's loud. I think it, and it is a sports car turned into more of a sports car.

• 1:21:29Matt Farah?

  I, I think it's a sports car that people, at least in first glance and association, think of as being feminine and not being all that fast. And then in actuality, it makes more power than even the fastest naturally aspirated factory Porsche ever has. So I, I would say that that is, makes a lot more power than you think it does.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  That's true. I think the greatest sleeper is that VW bus that had the 996. Like powertrain chassis, everything. And it was running down lotuses on the track. Like that was rad.

• 1:22:02Matt Farah?

  Uh, when I was at the Nürburgring, got waxed by that like all wheel drive, like Civic thing that was like.

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  White wheels?

• 1:22:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was real, that was a real good sleeper.

• 1:22:15Matt Farah?

  I, I don't, I don't know.

• 1:22:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't have an answer to that one.

• 1:22:30Matt Farah?

  Okay. Blown trans with an STI featuring meth injection. When you see someone, is that like an ER diagnosis? Were you watching the pit?

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  I think it's like, uh, oral, giving oral treats to someone who has an STI infection.

• 1:22:46Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  With meth injection.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  With shooting meth.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Problematic relationship.

• 1:22:51Matt Farah?

  When you see someone you know out in public, you wave. But if you're too close to the place you know them from, like work, you don't. How far away from the place you know the person from do you have to be for you to wave to them?

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, if I'm good friends with the person, even if I see them right outside work, I'll wave to them.

• 1:23:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'll acknowledge the person.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not gonna like snub them like, oh, I just saw you in work and now I'm seeing, I don't know. There's so many, so many variables to this. My, my, I laugh because this is like when you say goodbye to people and then you realize you're both walking to the same part of the parking lot. You're like, oh shit. And then you just, you just have to make fun of the moment.

• 1:23:26Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  You don't wanna say goodbye twice.

• 1:23:28Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  That would be insane.

• 1:23:29Matt Farah?

  Did I ever tell you that I accidentally stalked actor B.D. Wong around Manhattan for a day? Uh, you know who that guy is? You know, you saw his face.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was in SVU.

• 1:23:39Matt Farah?

  SVU, and he's the-

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  He's a psychiatrist.

• 1:23:40Matt Farah?

  And he's in Jurassic Park. He's the young Asian scientist at the beginning who hatches the dinosaur from the egg. He has a very recognizable face.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Matt Farah?

  He drives a really cool 79 9/11 Targa with gold BBS wheels on it. Uh, really beautiful, green paint. And, and, uh, he happened to live next to the building I used to work at. Every once in a while, I was a big SVU fan at the time. Well, so I see him when I'm having a, I'm having a fucking grit outside before I'm leaving. I see him.

• 1:24:15Matt Farah?

  We're then, uh, like 10 minutes later, I go to the garage where my car's parked. He's there again, getting the car. I then, I go get lunch. I then go to the gas station on the west side. He's there again. Okay? I then go uptown to a fucking store. He's there again. And by the, the last one, it was first like, okay, we're leaving our, we're leaving a place where we are. We're getting our cars that are near the place where we are. We're at the gas station where it's, and then at the last one, he's like, okay dude, what the fuck? I'm like, I swear! I swear, man, this is so random, I swear.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 1:24:51Matt Farah?

  It was so weird. It was so bad. Uh, 90's dance organ.

• 1:24:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'm sorry, I don't even know what that is.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  You're lying.

• 1:25:00Matt Farah?

  Cup 2, girls 4 in Colorado. Oh, cup 2, like a tire. Yeah, okay.

• 1:25:08Matt Farah?

  How are you liking the white dial Speedmaster? It is exceptional. I have just sent it to England to be ruined and it might have come back. Actually, let's see. Alright, it's not here yet, sorry. My watch is returning from England. Um, the white dial Speedmaster is excellent, recommend.

• 1:25:27Matt Farah?

  Lotus Griopa. What's a car that you would own specifically to mod?

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, we were, we were talking about like

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  a drift car.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  A Terminator Mustang.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  If I bought that, I'd instantly put a pulley and pipes on it and stuff. I mean, specifically to mod?

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  It's funny, it's like, what needs mods?

• 1:25:52Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, we're doing this Mercedes, we got the car for free, we didn't buy the car for that, but even at a price of zero, I only took it

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:26:01Matt Farah?

  because we were gonna do this thing. I would, I had nothing, there's nothing I wanted about this car in stock form.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  With stuff, these days with turbo tech, it's so tempting to just put even a tune on anything, even a 99 or turbo giveaway car. Why would you not tune it if you can gain all this power with no, you know, no effects on reliability? Uh, or if you, you know, live so, I don't know, you get like a new Subaru or M2. It's just so accessible these days, you just go, you know, tick, tick, tick, tick.

• 1:26:30Matt Farah?

  I think, I think almost all of my sports car purchases. No, that's not true, because I had that, we've had the Countach, which is not bought to mod, the NSX, you know, we put some wheels on it, but that's really it. I would say, I mean, we had, we had pink car, the Safari car, and the Mustang, and the Mercedes, all, all bought specifically to mod.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  And I think anything I buy, the older the car is, the more likely I'm to mod it because technology has advanced, and I can make it better.

• 1:27:02Matt Farah?

  Jedi Master Chronometer, dumbest and coolest factory-applied badge emblem. Hmm. So the dumbest digital dirt on the Raptors is pretty bad?

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I think the dark horse emblem.

• 1:27:19Matt Farah?

  The horse?

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  The horse resembles other things, especially that light, I know it's not an emblem, but when that light shines from the door on the ground, if you look at it the other way, it doesn't look like a horse.

• 1:27:29Matt Farah?

  Really? What does it look like?

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Well, this isn't just me saying this, it's also my wife.

• 1:27:34Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  Looks like a very specific part of the female anatomy. Some would say the most popular, celebrated part.

• 1:27:40Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  She's like, "That's what that looks like."

• 1:27:41Matt Farah?

  No, that's not great. Uh, yeah, that's not great. The digital dirt is pretty rough, though.

• 1:27:49Matt Farah?

  Dumbest, what else is the dumbest factory-applied badge?

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  Did the Gucci Fiat say Gucci on it?

• 1:28:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  I'm sure it did.

• 1:28:01Matt Farah?

  It did, yeah.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  I guess that's just signaling what...

• 1:28:02Matt Farah?

  That's a little collab.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Matt Farah?

  I mean, you know, when, like, any, in American cars, when they would introduce features and the cars would have a badge that says like anti-lock brakes or tuned...

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Fuel injection.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  Tuned port injection or whatever. Any badge that ended up bragging about a feature that was a total failure also...

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Turbine engine.

• 1:28:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, oh, the P-Zev, the P-Zev on Subarus that are not hybrid. I never understood that. How does Subaru get a partial zero emissions vehicle badge on a gas-powered car? Sup, oh, so their conventional gas-powered vehicles engineered to meet super-low, super-ultra-low emission vehicle exhaust standards, alright?

• 1:28:56Matt Farah?

  Okay. Federal investigator. What is one life experience you found extremely valuable? Car related or not? Sitting in jail for three days.

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:29:08Matt Farah?

  You don't forget that.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  I bet you didn't.

• 1:29:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't forget that.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Haven't done that.

• 1:29:11Matt Farah?

  I'll never forget that smell.

• 1:29:14Matt Farah?

  Fucking forever.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Piss, piss in concrete?

• 1:29:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and mildew. Um, and the inside of a porta potty. Yeah, great, really cool. Blended with 24/7 fluorescent lighting. Uh, also, working retail. You know?

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:33Matt Farah?

  Or restaurants.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  Is so essential, you just learn how to treat everybody.

• 1:29:38Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Nicely.

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh.

• 1:29:44Matt Farah?

  Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. Ever had any embarrassing moments with cars? Uh, backing out of garage and breaking off a mirror? Uh, driving away with the gas pump? I just saw someone do it yesterday.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:29:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's great when someone does it. I love it.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  Down the road.

• 1:29:58Matt Farah?

  Love it. Uh.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  When I had my Pontiac in high school, I was dropping my mom off at the Jeep dealership. She was picking a car up, it was like 6:00 PM, and my car did not have a right side side mirror. And I pulled into the thing, and as I backed up, and I was trying to do basically do a three-point turn in the Jeep driveway, and I turned the wheel to the right, and I scraped the whole right side of my car along a brick awning support that I didn't see, forgot was there. Like, I pulled in and saw it and forgot it was there, and I just turned the wheel and backed up, and I scraped the entire quarter panel of the car. And I didn't, I was so mad of, like, at the building, as if it's the building's fault. And I was like, Dad, can't we? And he's like, this is your problem. Like, this is, I'm not calling them. They're not gonna do anything, and you have to pay to fix this.

• 1:30:46Matt Farah?

  I had, I had almost exactly the same thing happen, but it was with a short yellow bollard that was like at the end of a parking space, and I just didn't. By the time I came back to my car, I forgot that it was there, because I came from the other way. Then when I was like 16, and I crunched the little, right behind the front wheel. Just crunched that little bit, yep. Uh, the, the big one that I was a lesson was, I was following, I had a friend who lived in a, like a gated community, and I was following his mom out of the gated community. We were leaving their house, right? And as the gated community... Met the road, I was behind the mom and the mom started to go and I made the mistake

• 1:31:30Matt Farah?

  of looking back over my shoulder while starting to go instead of checking and then looking forward again and then going. And she had started to go and then stopped and I, while I was over here my shoulder, at you know, three miles an hour and but it was, you know, it was embarrassing. It was literally my friend's mom. And I learned a very valuable lesson to, if the car is going forward, you better be looking in that direction, actually.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  Yep. Christian, I think you've asked this question a couple of times about the US class. We haven't driven it.

• 1:32:09Matt Farah?

  Haven't driven it, have absolutely no thoughts on it.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  The interior looks a lot like the old one, just like lots of screen.

• 1:32:16Matt Farah?

  So many screens.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Huge screen. It's like the waterfall, but they actually just added black borders to it, right? Instead of having it all kind of connect.

• 1:32:23Matt Farah?

  Talk about what I don't want out of a car.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  I would say that, yeah, let you know when we drive the thing.

• 1:32:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, likely never. All right, that's it. All right, kids. Thank you for joining us today. The, it's been a good week and we got more show for you next week, as a matter of fact. I'm in town. This is weird. I'm here for, I'm here for three weeks with no travel. That's like too much time for me to be at home. I can find some new and interesting things to do. We have, we have two cars coming next week and I'm going to take them to the track. So that'll be fun. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions today. Thank you to everybody for joining us throughout our entire lives and we'll see you next time. Bye.