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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:27Matt Farah?

  fault, or the commuters', and what is pumping the most recent auction market prices. Is it just people being rich? Or is it people being rich and doing crimes? Uh, but, hi everybody. This is the show, welcome to it. It's, uh, it's been a nice, uh, nice little week here in Los Angeles, other than me getting, uh, some kind of stomach bug for 12 hours. Um, that was fun, right after off-roading, and maybe like, yeah, yeah, a couple hours later.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  Came on fa- it was like a squall. Come on you fast, or leave you fast.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Brown squall.

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  That's a...

• 2:12Matt Farah?

  I haven't watched Ca- it's been too long since I've watched Captain Ron. I think that deserves a re-watch.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  I haven't seen that since like when I was a kid.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, Captain Ron is a fucking, that's a quality film. That's Kurt Russell at his absolute finest.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  What's-her-face?

• 2:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, oh Jesus.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Kate Hudson's mom.

• 2:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Goldie Hawn.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Goldie Hawn.

• 2:29Matt Farah?

  No. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. No, I mean, I know that Goldie Hawn is Kate Hudson's mom, but I was, I was, uh, cause they also did Overboard together.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  Oh geez. So they're just like, "You're great at sailing boat movies. Let's make another one." And they're like, "Sure."

• 2:45Matt Farah?

  They threw Martin Short in there, too.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  That's always a good choice.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  He's amazing.

• 2:49Matt Farah?

  Um, so, there's some things. Some things happened the last couple of days, even though kinda nothing happened the last couple of days. We're getting a trailer. We got, we got a deal with this company, Brian James Trailers. And they're paying us in trailer.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  This is great.

• 3:08Matt Farah?

  So you guys are gonna hear some ads. Please listen to the ads from Brian James Trailers that are coming. But, uh, but we're getting, uh, this, a race sport trailer, which is a fucking sick, that's it right there. The enclosed trailer. It's a sweet rig. Uh, we're getting that thing. It'll, it tilts for makes, uh, for low-loading better. It's got the side-opening doors, and we even got the one with the awning on the side.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  It's got the side door?

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  It's got the side door.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  That's the Jeff Swart thing.

• 3:39Matt Farah?

  The side door is the move, and it's got, we got one with an awning on the side, so it's like a canopy, so we can hang out. Outside, under the-

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Park the car under there and all that stuff.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  Shaded.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 3:48Matt Farah?

  Pretty sweet, dude. Right?

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you said we needed a truck, but this person is rendering.

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  He's towing with a disco?

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  It, that looks like a Discovery. Yeah, no, I, I think, uh, I believe this trailer weighs like twenty-five-hundred pounds. So I, I, I think if you're towing a light car-

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:09Matt Farah?

  Then you, we wouldn't need much, much car at all. We, we do need something to tow with at some point.

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  Trying to figure out what that is. This, the website, which is from the UK, because this company is originally UK-based, although they distribute in America, they're towing it with a Discovery. In this one, they're showing an Audi R8 with a Discovery. And if they can do that, then we certainly don't need much.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Well, they're good at the caravan thing. And they don't really have pickup trucks there.

• 4:41Matt Farah?

  I haven't, well, yeah, but if we, we don't fucking, if they don't need a pickup truck, we don't need a pickup truck.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  No, they don't. The American way is you get an F-350 and you tow two motorcycles with it, you know?

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  So, the other night, I went to dinner with Sergio and his family, and I learned that Sergio's mom raises horses in Malibu. And Sergio's mom, who, I don't want to guess how old she is, but she's the mother of someone in his 50s. So, right? So Sergio's mom raises horses, shows them, whatever. And I was talking to Sergio about this trailer, and he goes, "Oh, you should talk to my mom about a tow rig." And I was like, "Oh, yeah?" And I go, "Mrs. Seiderman, like, you know, here's what we're doing, like, what should I do?" She's like, "I only tow with the Cummins." She's like, "I've had, I have this many," and blah, blah. And she's talking about, and she, her ranch, I don't want to say where it is, but

• 5:37Matt Farah?

  it's on a, it's in Malibu. And it's on a road that, it's, right?

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:46Matt Farah?

  It's, you know what I just said? Okay, it's on that road at the top, okay?

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah.

• 5:50Matt Farah?

  And I was like, "So what's your main rig?" And she goes, "My primary is a Dodge 3500, excuse me, Dodge 5500 toter home with a horse trailer."

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  It's 60 feet long. And she drives that motherfucker, full of horses, up and down that road. Isn't that some shit?

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Wow. So it's like one of these things? This is enormous. Oh, I didn't want to go to UTE.

• 6:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. It's that with a horse trailer.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  That is enormous.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  Fucking crazy, yeah.

• 6:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  That is, I mean, it's like, uh, it's like an RV you would rent. It's the RV body that you would rent.

• 6:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  But with, you know, giant truck.

• 6:37Matt Farah?

  Full of.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Powertrain.

• 6:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's like.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  And towing a trailer.

• 6:40Matt Farah?

  And I'm, well, the road that we're talking about is like one of the three or four tightest roads in the Malibu Canyons.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you asked me to drive this up that road without a trailer, I'd go, you can't do that.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  It's, yeah.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  I was like, okay, you know, Mrs. Seiderman, that might be like a little overkill for what I was like, what about for just like a single car, you know, trailer, like a regular trailer? And she was like, you should probably get, you know, like a 2,500. And I was like, really? I'm only towing like, max, max, like seven, eight thousand pounds, but more, more like six, maybe even five.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:19Matt Farah?

  And she was like, you should still get a diesel.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  I kind of, I mean, I, I always think having more tow than you need is nice, you know, when you, if you're going up like the grapevine or something.

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  And you add throttle and, and you don't even feel the weight of the trailer through the truck, just like the sturdiness of the frame and all that stuff. I mean, that's optimal.

• 7:37Matt Farah?

  So what you're saying is Bentley. Definitely a Bentley.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  That is not what I'm saying. I would like to still get paid and not spend all the money this year on our tow vehicle. I didn't, average horse weighs about a thousand pounds, so she's towing.

• 7:52Matt Farah?

  Which horse?

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Well, she, if she has four horses back there, plus the trailer, maybe she's around six to eight thousand pounds and so she needs all that, that power.

• 8:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, optimally, but also like, how much time will we spend towing? Like, that's the thing.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  She's doing this a lot.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  Like, I don't, I don't want to buy, like, like, this isn't, like, I'm not doing this today, but like, I kind of want to buy something that can be used as a fucking car.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:18Matt Farah?

  Like, something much, like, the most regular thing I can get. Not the what if I have to do 90 over the grapevine.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  That's not like, I mean, maybe once, but like, there are press trucks if we need such things. So like, it's more like. What kind of like SUV or you know, half ton or maybe even like smaller than half ton? Like I was like, can a Maverick tow this fucking thing? Or like, is it a Ranger? Like, what is the, like, pretty much what is the most, the minimum vehicle I need to be able to like, tow this thing?

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Ford Maverick max towing is 4,000 pounds.

• 8:56Matt Farah?

  That's a no.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  That's a no. What's the EcoBoost? Uh, yeah.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a no.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Well, let's see, that was AI announced, the drive says a stock Maverick can tow 8,000.

• 9:06Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  But it's still, but the title is, but it's still a bad idea. So you want something a little more than that.

• 9:12Matt Farah?

  All right.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Well, we will. We'll have to do some homework.

• 9:14Matt Farah?

  We have to do some towing homework.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:16Matt Farah?

  But like, I, I think, I, I think we're gonna get, but because not only because now we have, now I have Willow Springs membership. Now I have all the reasons to play with non-street legal vehicles and/or get potentially sketchy and unreliable vehicles to and from the racetrack.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Welcome to my world. It's quite fun and terrible.

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but this thing's pretty light, pretty aerodynamic, and it tilts, it's got the winch in it. It's, uh, it's, it's, it should be pretty, uh, pretty useful.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  This is pretty sick.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  Hell, yeah. That's, I, I got black.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Cool. Oh, they have a, they have one right here.

• 9:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 9:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  It's a nice looking rig.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  It is. It will, it'll be hot. Well, because it's black, it's gonna absorb all the heat.

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  So.

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  Well, that's a good point.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:11Matt Farah?

  Huh.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  I don't know if it's too late to.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  I mean, people have black trailers in California. I thought it looked cool, but maybe, maybe that's, I wonder if the trade-off is worth it.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  I think it depends on how much time you're gonna spend in the trip. Like, if you wanna use it as a place to get out of heat, you know, if you're out there at Willow and it's hot, you have buildings there.

• 10:28Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's, there's buildings there. It's like, if we go somewhere else. If we go somewhere else, I don't know if we'll be hanging out by the trailer, unless we go said, best said.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 10:38Matt Farah?

  If we, cuz that's, cuz that's why it opens up like demos for like, cuz if we have our own trailer.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  True.

• 10:45Matt Farah?

  We can call up, uh, Polaris.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Whoever.

• 10:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they have these things. That was always the holdback. They're like, you can come get them if you've got a trailer.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:54Matt Farah?

  Well, we don't have a trailer.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  But we do now.

• 10:56Matt Farah?

  But now we do.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 10:58Matt Farah?

  You see.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  I wanna drive one of those giant K and M things.

• 11:00Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:02Matt Farah?

  We can go to the desert. We can fucking do stupid things.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Great.

• 11:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Hmm.

• 11:09Matt Farah?

  So if anyone out there tows like a, a single car enclosed with like an SUV, a more, a mostly regular SUV or pickup truck and really likes it.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, let us know in the comments.

• 11:18Matt Farah?

  Let us know in the comments. Don't, don't, don't send me a hundred emails. It'd be too, I just, we'll look.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:24Matt Farah?

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• 12:07Matt Farah?

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• 12:52Matt Farah?

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• 13:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:34Matt Farah?

  That, I, I see a lot of value in, in borrowing a Legends car for a year.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Well, we want to be ambassadors for the Legend car.

• 13:41Matt Farah?

  And we can, it is like hill climbs and shit.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:44Matt Farah?

  The Virginia City hill climb, I think, is with a Legends car.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  What is the altitude there? Because I think at the top, it would be like, wee.

• 13:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, do you have to put a turbo on it?

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 13:55Matt Farah?

  Add, add an E-axle?

• 13:58Matt Farah?

  I don't think it would matter. This thing, that thing doesn't weigh anything.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  It does not.

• 14:01Matt Farah?

  Be alright.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Altitude of 5,000 feet.

• 14:02Matt Farah?

  It's not so bad. Yeah, it's okay.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Sure. Oh, it's a, it's a climb from 48 to 63.

• 14:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's alright.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  We'll do our testing on Angeles Crest at night.

• 14:10Matt Farah?

  Angeles Crest Plus.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's no big deal. So that'll be fun. Um, and, uh, yeah, I'm get, I'm getting manufacturers used to the fact that I'm going to be taking their cars to the track. Some are like, okay, is this going to be all the time? And I'm like, maybe.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 14:28Matt Farah?

  I mean, so.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  We have to do the testing.

• 14:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so the Maserati is sending the GT2 Stradale, which I know, you got to have a go in.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  At Ascari, I think.

• 14:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Right, yep.

• 14:38Matt Farah?

  You liked it mostly, right?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  I did like it mostly, but I, my takeaway was the regular MC20, I think, gets you 90% of the way to the, what the Stradale gets. And the experience I had there, which was very limited in terms of lap time, but it felt like the Stradale did not do the track job that it was trying to do. And then on the road, I thought the regular one rode better, looked better, and, and gave you all the speed and stuff anyway.

• 15:01Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  But maybe, you know, further testing is needed.

• 15:04Matt Farah?

  Fair assessment?

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Because we only got like. Nine laps?

• 15:07Matt Farah?

  That's not a lot.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  It is not. And that was, and we, and the PR person for USA have argued successfully to get us more time than was originally allotted, but it was still very small.

• 15:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's not a lot, and Ascarri's smooth.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:21Matt Farah?

  Also, yeah. We'll see. That'll be fun. I'm gonna go take it out to Willow, drive it on the street. A little more street time. That'll be fun. Um, oh, I also, I booked the, I booked a Dodge Charger six-pack for the, for the Road and Track event in the desert in April. I was like, we could do a little Vanishing Point vibe.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 15:44Matt Farah?

  You know, I saw Miguel up at, up at Good Vibes with the press car, and with the big wheels on it, it's not a bad-looking car, actually. And I sat in it, and I was like, oh, this is a big boy. This is a good, open, desert vehicle.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think, I think it's a great-looking design. Come on.

• 16:04Matt Farah?

  I think that car, I think the car looks good with the big wheels on it. The, the, some of the, the base electric ones with the small wheels look really bad. But if you put the right wheels in the right color, not bad.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:19Matt Farah?

  But so I'm excited, I'm actually kind of excited to try that for 1,400 miles.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  It'll be smooth and quick, and, yeah, it is a good road trip vehicle.

• 16:27Matt Farah?

  It is. And we get some, some laps at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  That'll be interesting.

• 16:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Like, truly, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the Charger. I just haven't driven it, so I'm wondering how it will do on a racetrack. The last one I drove was like, you know, one of the old Hellcats.

• 16:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  With like a manual and stuff, and the, the, the weight balance was always interesting on racetracks.

• 16:50Matt Farah?

  It, it might be slidey. That would be-

• 16:53Speaker 01

  If it's anything like the last one, it will be-

• 16:55Matt Farah?

  It would be terrible if it was slidey. Oof, what a nightmare. Could, can't have any fun doing that.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Is this like America's Supra now? Right? Because it's in line six, isn't it?

• 17:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:04Matt Farah?

  That's, it's 550 horsepower, I believe.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  It's a 3J. It's not even a 2J. Bigger than a 2J.

• 17:11Matt Farah?

  Dodge would come out with an engine and be like, it's, it's called a Ford JD.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, with the Hurricane engine.

• 17:19Matt Farah?

  That would be the slightly maga one. They'd call it Ford JD.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Because of why?

• 17:23Matt Farah?

  JD Vance.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Oh, there you go. Okay. Took me a second.

• 17:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, well, because that's, it wouldn't be a very good joke. You'd have to explain it to someone.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  It is a three liter.

• 17:36Matt Farah?

  It's a three liter, right?

• 17:37Speaker 01

  They could call it the three.

• 17:38Matt Farah?

  It could be the three, that would be fucking, that would be so trolly and fun.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  It would.

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  But then if it didn't hold like 900 horsepower, it would be.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 17:47Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? That's like, it's like calling your shot.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, everyone go, okay, alright.

• 17:51Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Let's see what you got.

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  Let's get, let's get a little, let's get one of these on here. Let's get fucking.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Put this basketball sized turbo.

• 17:57Matt Farah?

  What is Cletus called, a turb ski? Let's get a fucking, that's when it gets real big, a turb ski.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Is that what it's called, uh, 90 millimeter?

• 18:03Matt Farah?

  By the way, fucking Habibi hit me up and, and formally invited us to a race. And we're gonna go race with Cletus, uh, in Connecticut in July. Stafford, Stafford Motor Speedway, Crown Vic Race, the Smoking Tire. Are we, is it two drivers to a car or one driver?

• 18:23Speaker 01

  I think it's four.

• 18:24Matt Farah?

  To a car?

• 18:24Speaker 01

  I think it is.

• 18:25Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 18:28Matt Farah?

  Stafford Motor Speedway.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  I thought it was like a team, maybe it's.

• 18:31Matt Farah?

  Is it? I don't know.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  I'll look it up.

• 18:33Matt Farah?

  I have absolutely no idea how it works. All I know is oval course.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  I'm realizing we have a couple of racing, driving events coming up that we know very little information about.

• 18:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I'm excited for the ice race, but I think they would have sent me like a driver information thing by now. Like I have absolutely no idea what level of like safety equipment or anything I have to bring yet.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Where's?

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  What are you looking for?

• 18:57Speaker 01

  I wanted to look at just an overhead picture of Stafford.

• 18:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, just like Google Satellite or go to Maps, it's just a fucking oval. It just looks like a whatever, you know, a half mile oval. There is a sort of an infield, uh, ish road coursey kind of thing. Or there's like at least some bus stops and some chicanes that I guess you could sort of use.

• 19:21Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure how you would make that work, actually. Those might just be return roads and such. But yeah, it's an oval. It's gonna be fun.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  That's gonna be so sick.

• 19:35Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm really, really, really excited.

• 19:38Matt Farah?

  You think we're gonna finish? You have extensive Crown Vic experience.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  I do. Well, it depends on what year we're getting, you know, because they switched to a better steering system.

• 19:46Matt Farah?

  We need a DOT 2.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  In 05, I think it was. We do need a DOT 2. It matters. Steering ratio got a lot better. I think they switched from Baldurac and Pinion. I mean, I chose mine for a reason. Yeah.

• 19:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, it does. Yeah, that does make a big difference. We need...

• 20:03Speaker 01

  I mean, it won't matter. If it was a road course, it would matter more.

• 20:07Matt Farah?

  What was the one from All Cars 3?

• 20:13Matt Farah?

  Was that the good one?

• 20:15Speaker 01

  That was the... No, that was the older one.

• 20:17Matt Farah?

  That wasn't the good one. Okay, yeah.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  That was like two years before that. It was cheaper.

• 20:20Matt Farah?

  So yours had better steering.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Mine had way better steering. Mine had way better.

• 20:24Matt Farah?

  That does matter. That's very important.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Well, also, I wonder like...

• 20:27Matt Farah?

  We spent 25 minutes crapping on the Ineos for this. Oh, by the way, you said that a patron DM'd you, right? And said that there is a software update that allows you to permanently disable ADAS on a Grenadier. Is that true?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  That is true. And then I saw other comments that said it's not available in the 2026.

• 20:50Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Like, would that mean it's only available last year but not this year?

• 20:54Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  So I don't know.

• 20:55Matt Farah?

  Because this year is an updated year. And one of the things that's been updated is that... Because last year's didn't have this. So, I mean...

• 21:04Speaker 01

  The comments seemed conflicted, but a couple of people were like, there is a thing where you just hit a button and it disables it. It like turns it off. So I just don't know which year that is. So I assume it would be with the newest one.

• 21:17Matt Farah?

  It's not. I don't think it is. I think they had to get rid of that and make it the three taps annoying bullshit that they do. But fuck, someone out there like, I mean...

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  Someone that's like a tuner, like is going to have an entire business in tuning to fucking defeat this shit.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would not want to own that. I would worry so much about the liability of if someone hits someone and then they go, the ADAS was disabled by,

• 21:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  You know, it's like the people that were disabling all the diesel truck things, they got in trouble until they didn't get in trouble.

• 21:52Matt Farah?

  So yeah, all you have to do is make a.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Well, you're betting on the unadministration liking what you're doing and that's quite a gamble.

• 22:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Um, but speaking of Ineos, because we're also talking about their, this silly name.

• 22:07Matt Farah?

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• 23:52Speaker 01

  And. I was informed that it comes from this.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  The Fusiliers is an infantry regiment of the British Army, part of the Queen's Division. Two battalion, okay, okay, so it's a, it's a, it's, it's.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  It comes from something tough, but it does sound kinda silly.

• 24:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I, you, when you have the word sillier in it, it just to me invites a certain type of being laughed at.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like if you're choosing a name for your kid and you, you start to run through like, what are the second graders gonna rhyme this with? And they'll find something, doesn't really matter what your name is, you know, except for like one of Elon, maybe that's why Elon's kids are named to letters and shit.

• 24:38Matt Farah?

  They're not, they're not gonna be able to rhyme, make fun of them.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  They can't rhyme, they can't rhyme it with anything.

• 24:45Matt Farah?

  That would be fucking great, that's the most plausible explanation yet for that. When I was a boy, they made fun, they, they rhymed Elon with all kinds of terrible things.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Call me Flan, uh, what else? That is a tough one too, though.

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  Elon is a hard one.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  It is, it's like rhymes with orange, unless you're Eminem.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's the end of felon, but outside of that.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Pretty good, I mean, let's see, that's tough, yeah.

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  It is tough, but I, but, but, uh, this is the perfect, I mean.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  They would just call him Elon fuck, that's what you'd do, cause his last name's Musk, and when you're second grade, you can get there pretty quickly, just Elon fuck.

• 25:31Matt Farah?

  Leave those in the comments, too.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  But X972 is, that's pretty hard, that's pretty.

• 25:35Matt Farah?

  The most Elon reaction, like, trying to, you know, fix some very, very small problem by doing some huge embarrassing thing that just fucks up the person's life forever. That's the, that's how he works, and then he gets really rich.

• 25:53Matt Farah?

  Fuck. Oh, I think, I think I may have found the perfect interior fabric for the Mercedes. I was looking on, actually, the website where I got the fabric for the Mustang back in the day. I found some bangers.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 26:08Matt Farah?

  Some real bangers, so I ordered some samples up.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  Got to see it in person to make sure the colors like match up right, but like, stoked.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Were they all bus fabrics?

• 26:18Matt Farah?

  No. Most, they're all, uh, outdoor patio furniture fabrics. Yeah. The bus fabric looks ama- looked amazing. I ne- I never like loved it. It, it felt like a fucking bus. When you touched it.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Well, it feels like a micro fleece, almost, like a fleece jacket.

• 26:36Matt Farah?

  But it's like hard. It's hard. And also, it, this is, this is something you don't learn on Instagram about someone's car. That bus fabric, when it got hot, like off gassed, like a smell that wasn't great.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, it probably eventually would stop.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  And ten years?

• 26:53Matt Farah?

  It's designed to last like fifty years.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  It is, yeah.

• 26:56Matt Farah?

  Um, but I never had those, that issue with the stuff from the Mustang, which was outdoor patio furniture stuff. It, it felt more like regular cloth, but had like UV resistance and stuff in it. So I sort of went back to that.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 27:10Matt Farah?

  Cause it's convertible. I'm gonna leave it with the top parked down.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  And you have to, you have to like make sure the fabric is pliable enough that the upholsterer can stitch it, right? You know, if it's, some patio furniture is very rigid.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, the bus fabric was fine. It's meant for going in seats, but, um, yeah, you, some of it is like that hard plasticky stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they, literally, they do, they do have an umbrella fabric section, cause people get custom umbrellas made. Um, but like, yeah, you, I'm getting, when you get a sample, so you can feel it and go, hey, can you fucking stitch this shit?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 27:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  It's fun.

• 27:42Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be very fun. And it's like... If it works, I think it's gonna work. It's like, the goal is, because you're talking about a a four-seat car that's gonna be all, it's black, black carpet, black, so you gotta break that up, but, you know, in a way that like is a third color and maybe a fourth color that also works with red, black, and silver, and so I sent it to Sean, and he was like, "Oh shit, I think that's the one, that's the fucking, that's the shit right there."

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Red.

• 28:14Matt Farah?

  It would like brighten up the interior in like just the right kinda way. Fucking stoked.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  I'm excited.

• 28:20Matt Farah?

  That's gonna be...

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I mean, I now know the benefit of the interior sparkle, thanks to you, so I get it.

• 28:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, are you still happy with your aggressive interior?

• 28:30Speaker 01

  And I get so many comments about it, and every, I open the door, I'm like, "This is awesome." And it's, I didn't realize how essential it was, but it's definitely inspired by your cars. Instead of just having black leather.

• 28:39Matt Farah?

  It just makes you happy, doesn't it?

• 28:40Speaker 01

  It does.

• 28:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, just like, just that like bit of whimsy, it's nice.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:47Matt Farah?

  And a lot of people really pay a lot of attention to how the outside of their car looks, not realizing like what a change, like even just doing the inserts, or just doing like one or two little changes that the interior can make.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially if you put a bucket in your car that has, you know, the removable pillow thing, 100% spend the money to get that insert done custom, like it probably will be a few hundred dollars because it's one or two pillows, but your car will stand out, and it'll be, it'll show that, you know, you've individualized it for you, and it's not just like the same seat other people have.

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  Remember I did that with a Corvette like back in the day, and it looked, it looked great with the Sparco seats, it just made it all match? Yeah, and then, and you can buy fabrics, like the play, the website, I'll plug them, is modern-fabrics.com, and just start with the outdoor tab. The website's not great.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  It's okay, doesn't need to be great.

• 29:44Matt Farah?

  It's a bit messy, but yeah, you just start going, if you go to shop all, and then go on, go to the outdoors tab on the left. Yeah, outdoors, and you could do, yeah, so just like different stuff for couches and shit.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 30:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Very creative find.

• 30:05Matt Farah?

  So some of them of these are like, yeah, that, I mean, see, that one, I don't really know with this, with that very deep texture.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:13Matt Farah?

  I'm not really sure. The problem with these fabrics is you gotta order the sample because none of them have like, most of them anyway, don't show it on a furniture or something to give you any kind of sense of scale.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:25Matt Farah?

  Like that one on the bottom right there, I looked at that one, I have no idea how wide those stripes are.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Yes, that's a very, very good point.

• 30:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  You know, or like the, whatever, diamonds, are those two inches long or a full foot, like, it could be huge.

• 30:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so anyway, it's gonna be, it's gonna be very, very fun.

• 30:46Matt Farah?

  I have a, I have an email from Queer Shifting Gears.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 30:53Matt Farah?

  Who wanted to follow up on the using dude magnet cars to pick up dudes.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:59Matt Farah?

  And, and whether or not that is a good strategy. Long story short, no, it is not. It's not a good strategy.

• 31:08Matt Farah?

  Dot, dot, dot, unless you plan on chasing straight men, ew.

• 31:14Matt Farah?

  That's not a thing that happens. People are scared that that's a thing that happens, it's like, not. Okay, but here's, but some observations. Okay, some observations made up of knowing many young queer millennials buying their first newish car after the hand-me-down dies. Or queer car enthusiasts, not the absolute truth of empirical data, but some amusing trends.

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  Buy gay women, the Subaru stereotype is accurate. That, that is, that is very much accurate. Outside Subaru, always something boxy or cute, think Wrangler, Samurai, or a Miata. Gay men, nice convertibles, Lexus, Mercedes, Miata. It's not about going fast, it seems more about the holistic experience. Trans women, Miata or Mini Cooper. Trans men, zero personal data. In addition, Mazda 3 and CX5s across the entire community.

• 32:20Matt Farah?

  Common in every category, every queer household with two cars that I know, one of those is a Mazda 3 or CX5. There we go. It seems, I can't believe I'm saying this, but it seems Mazda is always the answer.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:35Matt Farah?

  So, there you go. Thank you very much, uh, for that insight.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Patron, uh, queers shifting gears.

• 32:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so unless you want to pick up straight dudes, which is...

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Or chase them, as you said.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  Having driven all those cars, believe me, that is boring.

• 32:54Matt Farah?

  Uh, good to know. Yeah. Get yourself a Mercedes SL. That's where you really want to be.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Um, someone else sent me an email that you might find interesting. This is a map they made of all accidents on Angeles Crest.

• 33:07Matt Farah?

  Holy shit. So, it's just a map of Angeles Crest?

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's, it's pretty rad.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  It's just the map of the entire road.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  They went, they went year by year.

• 33:16Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  To show trends. And then, there's also, you can do a guide between like, type of car...

• 33:23Matt Farah?

  What kind of accidents?

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow!

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Rear end, head on. Uh, this is...

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  I mean, this looks super thorough. For people listening, I mean, there are so many categories I can turn on and off. Like, passenger, like Jeep, motorcycles, sport utility vehicle. I mean, you can select the type of car, and then the type of accident. Hidden object, flipped over, sideswiped.

• 33:46Matt Farah?

  There isn't a tab for like, guy was being a complete shitbag. You know what I mean?

• 33:50Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  I wish there was a total dickbag tab.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  This needs a two-door coupe tag.

• 33:57Matt Farah?

  Well, isn't there sports? Uh, yeah, right?

• 34:00Speaker 01

  That's what it needs.

• 34:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We, yeah, we need, we need more...

• 34:04Speaker 01

  I mean, it's passenger car, but it's too broad.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  This is amazing. We need, we need to be able to further determine what level of shitbaggery was in, was happening.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Right. So, this is just passenger cars now. This is all years.

• 34:16Matt Farah?

  Looks exactly the same, yeah. Wow.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  And...

• 34:19Matt Farah?

  So wait, what's the, um, but it doesn't show... The colors on the map aren't like hotspots. It's just those different types of incidents, right?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  This is each individual incident, so, I mean, it's kind of happening on the entire thing.

• 34:34Matt Farah?

  Where it looks like the densest part, I mean, it's really the lower part here.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Lower, lower Highway 2.

• 34:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Because I would say this is where, you know, tourists go, like, to go hiking. It's also commuters use this, also people driving fast use this, like, lower section the most.

• 34:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  And then, what is this here? This is, uh, what, Angeles Forest?

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  So that's, yeah, that's the intersection of Big Tahunga and Angeles Forest. Yeah. Angeles Forest is, honestly, Angeles Forest Highway is where I personally see, by far, the most reckless driving from commuters.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:11Matt Farah?

  Like, I could, I could probably tell you by location on this map, whether it's fuckery or commuters. Angeles Forest, in that dense spot right there, that is a shady-ass place to be during commuting time. People make the sketchiest fucking double-yellow passes there. They do things that, like, put the videos, and I'm not trying to say, like, "My fucking enthusiast driving is better than Camry." Like, no, you shouldn't do that anyway, but like, in terms, you and I have seen things out there during commuting traffic that are...

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Box trucks passing people. Or people with, you know, old Corolla passing someone in an old Camry, double-yellow, like, into Apex. It's really, people are really in a rush.

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  I've been, like, almost understeered into by a Tacoma. I fucking, a guy rolled his Jeep like, uh, two, two seconds before we got there once. Uh, I almost got head-on'd by a Suburban and had to hit the shoulder in a, in the, uh, 911ST. Like, just fucking nuts, stuff I've seen up there.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and this is one of those things where if someone did the math of, like, if I go 5 miles per hour faster, you know, on my way to work for this commute, how much quicker will I actually get there? Probably 3 minutes.

• 36:25Matt Farah?

  Can I just point out that my favorite road in the Angeles Forest is also the safest?

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Well, it's probably the least driven. I mean, you're right, but it's not as tight.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Nine Mile, my favorite road in the Angeles forest is also the safest.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  There's fewer blind spots. It's not as tight. It's just not as trafficked. So what was interesting is I'm going to deselect all years. So if you go year by year.

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  Whoever made this, fucking you guys, you guys are, you got a lot of time on your hands, but I really like this.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  So like, so I wanted to look at before COVID and after. Cause good vibes began in COVID time, right?

• 37:00Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah. Okay.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  So 2016, all I have is passenger cars selected of all kinds of accidents.

• 37:06Matt Farah?

  And it shows on the incidents, total incidents on screen, 103, right? Is that what this says? 103?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Uh, 111? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's weird. Yeah. 103. But here's 111. So we'll go with total incidents on screen. So 103.

• 37:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, on screen, because you have to zoom. If you zoom out, there's probably more. So 111 is actually the answer.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  All right. So we'll go with 111 in 2016.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Uh, 157 in 2017.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  104 in 2018. So it's kind of oscillating. 112 in 2019. 2020, 142.

• 37:39Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  So that's like good vibes starts and I'm not trying to blame good vibes. It just got more popular to go up there. 2021, 147.

• 37:47Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  2022, 130.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  104. So it actually doesn't really affect it. 139.

• 37:54Matt Farah?

  I mean, actually dude, this is all within range.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  It is.

• 37:57Matt Farah?

  Cause 2025, 147, that's a lot. That's high. That's the highest. Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Cause when this was sent to me, I believe the comment was like, I think good vibes influenced this, but I looked at the averages and it actually oscillates. In this range, it seems to, I don't know what is the determining factor really, but it just goes between like a hundred and a hundred and something.

• 38:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, it's like, if you want to look at it, you could compare it to some, if you wanted to go well in 2025 and compare it to one of the low years, you could go, well, compared to 2017.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  It's up 50%.

• 38:30Matt Farah?

  It's up 50%. Or you could go, well, compared to 2018, or you know, the other year, it's only up like 11%. You know what I mean? Like you could make up a statistic to suit your pre-existing argument.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the harder thing with statistics. It's like 147 in 2025. I also think that, and I've talked about this on this show and other things, like I think social media is having more of an influence on driving accidents in the canyons than good vibes is.

• 39:00Matt Farah?

  Sure, but do you also think that it's possible that more people have to live out in like Palmdale and commute to LA for, you know, whatever reason, cost reasons, they moved out for COVID and it's, and that, like, that's why I'm like, is it, is it that enthusiasts are fucking up more, or is it that just more people are commuting on that road, either because the traffic has gotten worse on the highway and they're trying to avoid it, or because more people are moving out there and that's how you get to LA?

• 39:41Matt Farah?

  And so, yeah, okay, the, the, the traffic, the crashes are up by a little bit, but what I, I would like to see, I think, and probably is like, is the, is, is the traffic flow on that road up by the proportional same amount? So is the driving getting worse, or are there just more people and therefore more crashes?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  I think we'd have to look at the area only above.

• 40:06Matt Farah?

  Right, exactly. Yeah, zoom in to where nobody's commuting. I agree.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, it's, you know, above Mount Wilson. We could do, I wonder if we can do that?

• 40:15Matt Farah?

  We probably can. We got that incidence on screen.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  That's right, let's see if.

• 40:20Matt Farah?

  Okay, so enthusiast section. Can you zoom in further?

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:24Matt Farah?

  Okay. Yeah, yeah, drag the map down a little bit, down, okay.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  You want it down?

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  No, down, other way down, sorry, yeah. Yeah, there we go. Okay, that's about, that's roughly where we need to be. Can you zoom out a little bit, but keep that intersection at the bottom?

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Oh, that's harder.

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  Sorry.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  No, no, it's, that's, I can't zoom in and out less than that.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  I see. Okay, so just drag it left. Yeah, more, more, more. So that intersection's all the way to the left. Keep going, keep going, keep going. There.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, that doesn't actually get you much, does it? It doesn't give us... Okay, you're right, sorry. Okay.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  But let's see what was going on here in like 2019.

• 41:03Matt Farah?

  There were three.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  So three incidents was this northeast of Upper Big.

• 41:08Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  And then 2020, there were 11.

• 41:10Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  2021, there were 13.

• 41:13Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  And then 16, and then 5. So 2023, it dropped by 70%.

• 41:21Matt Farah?

  Was that section of road closed?

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, maybe.

• 41:26Matt Farah?

  There might have been a section of road that was closed.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Were closed for a long time.

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  Could you get up there for...

• 41:30Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 41:31Matt Farah?

  No, I think you always could.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  I feel like they've kept that section always pretty open.

• 41:34Matt Farah?

  Okay, continue.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  2024, it's only 10, so it kinda went down. So it actually...

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  And 2025 was 15. So, I mean...

• 41:40Speaker 01

  It honestly oscillates quite a bit.

• 41:42Matt Farah?

  And it's gone, it's gone up, but like by like single digits, not by like alarming amounts.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Well, actually, if we go back to 2017, there were 11. I think that's like the second most out of all of these years.

• 41:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but it's within a range. Yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  So...

• 41:57Matt Farah?

  How interesting to be able to look at that.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  I mean, this is such a cool tool. And I thought it was really fascinating. And then when you start looking at all the numbers...

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  I gotta say, there's not, out of all those crashes, the section

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  where, that you just looked at, that you zoomed in on, that, that section is like relatively safe. I think the crashes that do happen up there get a lot of coverage. They get posted on social media. And they're often a sports car possibly hitting another sports car and possibly more severe. Yeah, I mean, but it's actually considering the other sections of the road. In terms of just data, it's a relatively safe section to be driving.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Well, it's kinda like when people, as electric cars got faster and faster, and you know, you can buy 1,000 horsepower at a dealership. And we go, oh, is this gonna cause more and more accidents? And you go, well, if you looked at the data of average horsepower per accident, it's gonna be slower cars or less powerful cars, just because there's more of them.

• 42:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  You know, and so there's just fewer people up here.

• 43:02Matt Farah?

  That's really, really interesting, though.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  I'd love to see, the next level of in-depth research would be shitbag-ery.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  You need that category. I think two-door coupes would be a good marker.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  If that was, but I think it depends on if the police have a box for that when they do an accident report.

• 43:22Matt Farah?

  Like, was the car modded?

• 43:26Matt Farah?

  Just a checkbox for mods.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be pretty funny.

• 43:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, man, that's fucking cool, though.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll put, I'll put this map in the description.

• 43:36Matt Farah?

  Put that in there. And shout out to my favorite road also being the safest by far. Buy like a lot. That's fucking what's up, because I'm on it, motherfucker. Alright, should we go to the people?

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, before we do, if you are in the North Carolina area in April, Zach and I will be doing a live podcast at the Heritage Invitational, at the Ten Tents Motor Club, which is the private club next to Charlotte Motor Speedway. But this event will be open. You can get a ticket for the whole day's event, and that ticket will be also a ticket to the podcast. So you don't, you buy a ticket and it's for the whole day. There's gonna be all kinds of cool car shit going on and our podcast, so.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Be very fun.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Get it where you get, I guess we'll figure out. I don't know if the tickets are on sale yet, actually, but let's put it on your calendar. April...

• 44:34Matt Farah?

  I want to say 9th, 10th, 11th is what it is. I think it's, I think it's April 9th, 10th, 11th.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  Okay. Let's go to those fun-ass folks over at patreon.com/thesmogontirepodcast. We appreciate all of you keeping the boat floating down the ocean here. And if you join us over at Patreon, you get to ask questions for the show, watch the live stream, get the show the day it's recorded rather than waiting, get the show without ads, and get extra show and other good, fun stuff. Plus, you get to support your favorite car, people who yap about their opinions like they're more valuable than anybody else's opinions. Am I right?

• 45:22Matt Farah?

  Zach was looking at something else.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  I was looking at something else.

• 45:25Matt Farah?

  He zones out when I say that because why does he need to be here? He knows what all the things you get are over at Patreon, but sometimes you drop in a little something at the end. He wasn't looking. Christian says, will your next daily be an expensive depreciated car or go back to leasing? I mean, we just talked about it's gonna be something that can tow.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  That's gonna be it. So I don't know. It could be, it could honestly be either of those things. I mean, there's an argument to get a brand new thing and lease it and talk about it. I mean, if you, from a content creation perspective, if I lease something, it has to be new. Like a new product that just came out that people want to know about, that worked really well for Mach-E. Or we go the other way.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  We find like a fucking 2012 G-Wagon, start towing with that.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Oh my god, four miles per gallon.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  Well, Hannah would like it.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  X5 diesel, that would be more, I'd do more into that.

• 46:27Matt Farah?

  That would be, that would actually be okay, but I, but all those are like old now.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  They are, they're 15 years old.

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, I don't want, I don't want anything that old. Like, it's gotta, it's gotta have like CarPlay and shit like that.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  ADAS.

• 46:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Post CarPlay, pre-ADAS is where we really need to be. Right?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  It's like, what's the best era to live in, you know?

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  It might be, um, what is the tow rating on a Cayenne hybrid? Like a V6 Cayenne hybrid? That, that could be the real fucking move, actually.

• 47:08Matt Farah?

  Because you're talking about a plug-in hybrid, I could drive it on electricity most of the time. It probably meets the gross vehicle weight tax deduction.

• 47:20Matt Farah?

  Uh. Holy shit, that's a hundred thousand dollar fucking car. Seventy-seven, sixteen pounds. Wow. Habibi. I can't afford a twenty-six. We might, we're gonna be looking at used, but, but now. Cayenne Hybrid, that could be. Maybe I can make my dad an offer he can't refuse.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Well, is that, oh, his is not a turbo, right?

• 47:45Matt Farah?

  No, his is a fucking V-six hybrid.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Turbo has a lower tow rating, apparently.

• 47:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's got it, because it's gotta be suspension.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 47:52Matt Farah?

  And where wheels or, you know, some other shit.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Now, if you want to go depreciated, you could go two-door Tahoe, go old school.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't want, I don't want, no classic towing. And you don't really want like a. Yeah, you know, it's like that. God, those are fucking cool, but nah. Yeah, that would be like, let's put an old fucking T-four in it.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Or put Cummins in it, yeah, yeah.

• 48:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, nah, nah, nah, but that, see, that's, this might be the actual hack. Plug-in hybrid Cayenne.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  We'll have to do a lot of math.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, but like, it doesn't need to be to the dollar, but like, I, I love that car. That's a great fucking car. And oh, by the way, it can tow a trailer? Hmm, what a delight. That's good to know. Get some cool wheels.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 48:37Matt Farah?

  Fucking something on it that makes it look. Yeah, some trees.

• 48:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, and then you get some trees on the trailer, dude. You gotta go matchy-matchy.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Wheels?

• 48:50Matt Farah?

  I don't know how small those wheels are. They might, they think they're probably small. HRE doesn't make anything smaller than like seventeen.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  I would be, I would honestly be nervous about parking a trailer like overnight somewhere. Like at a hotel with special wheels.

• 49:03Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Every six months, some, you know, my Instagram, someone in the car community, their trailer gets stolen, which sucks. And like, the community tries to rally to help them find it, but it's just too attractive.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  That's a good point.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a good point. That sucks when that happens.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  Is there a good way to like, because you, all trailers are just secured with like a padlock essentially?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you do that, but man, if you follow McNally Official on YouTube, you can pick any lock.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. Well, you don't even need to pick. You can fucking cut with a bolt cutters or whatever.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Now with lithium ion technology, you just do handheld, yep.

• 49:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  I think you just stuff air tags like in places they can't get them out. Like that's, you know, welded in somewhere. Truly, you know?

• 49:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  They're gonna have to cut it open if they want to stop you from tracking it.

• 49:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. God, that's fucking shitty. But you, that's a good point. You don't want to, you don't want to make your trailer too flash.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, let's go back. Front wheel drive NSX. Have you seen the Capricorn Zagato? Fuckers a stunner. You're not wrong. I, I did see this. And actually, when I first saw it, I went, oh, you've, you've Zagato'd a second gen Ford GT.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Wow, they have, haven't they?

• 50:17Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 50:18Speaker 01

  This intake.

• 50:19Matt Farah?

  Isn't that?

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Is very Ford GT.

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  But I, I thought this was like, and the windshield also to me makes it look like they used a Ford GT tub for this, maybe?

• 50:30Matt Farah?

  But, and if they use this big engine, supposedly, the 5.2 V8 supercharged.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 50:37Matt Farah?

  Right? I mean, but, but also I, I, I'm just saying it looks like they've done that. They, they probably didn't.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  They say it would have a five-speed manual. That's an interesting choice.

• 50:48Matt Farah?

  That is an interesting choice. You think that's a, that's gotta be an error. Well, who the fuck would build a five-speed manual?

• 50:57Speaker 01

  I mean, you could get them for cheap because no one wants them anymore, but that would be weird.

• 51:00Matt Farah?

  So there's an argument. Here's an argument for this, for a five-speed manual. Is with a car like that, which is probably very light and made of carbon fiber, 887 horsepower with a manual is so much. Okay? And apparently they, they say this engine revs to 9,000.

• 51:21Matt Farah?

  That's a dogleg five speed. Okay, so basically, they're going for a throwback vibe. And they're saying that with this much power and that many revs, you actually don't need so many gears.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  Which is an interesting argument to make. That interior looks great.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:37Matt Farah?

  So I, I, I guess this is not based in a Ford, based on a Ford GT tub. Um, it looks fucking cool though. But doesn't, you could see how I sort of came up with that guess.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:47Matt Farah?

  But I guess not. It looks really cool.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  I mean, the current driver agrees with you. Like it has a slight hint of 2017 Ford GT.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  It's a little more, a little more than slight, but okay. Yeah, not bad. I mean, look, the most important.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  They're gonna build 19 of them for three and a half million dollars.

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  It's incredibly important that all, you know, 1500 billionaire car collectors are appeased. It's extremely important. Yes. It's extremely important that these talents are not being used to build cars that like, even mildly rich people can afford.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  If you get a new thing and never use it, like if you have a huge car collection and you buy the thing and you park it, you're excited because you got it. And then that wears away, just like, you know, if we bought, I don't know, a new T-shirt and then threw it in a closet.

• 52:30Matt Farah?

  I did that scale. You know, I did that math once. The math of, uh, of Ralph Lauren giving my dad the vanquish. Of his net worth versus the car. I did that math when I was, whatever year that was, 2005, I guess. And it was the equivalent of me giving my friend a T-shirt. Fucking, it was wild, the scale that that, and the scale is like, even, I think at the time Ralph might've been worth $5 billion. I mean, imagine what the scale is now. Between some of these fucking people.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:05Matt Farah?

  Mustang Geek says, "I've never encountered a car owner or car enthusiast who prefers touchscreens to physical buttons. Am I not talking to the right people or are manufacturers listening to the wrong people? Where do manufacturers get the idea that drivers want touchscreens? Tesla. That's where. Tesla, Tesla, Tesla." The success of Tesla and the fact that Tesla didn't cheap.

• 53:31Matt Farah?

  A Tesla interior doesn't cost a fucking thing to make. That's, that's why they do that. And everyone else was like, wait, we don't have to spend money on this?

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Plus, people liked it. And I think at the time, everyone, we were using phones, we're using iPads. People liked it a lot. And Tesla did a really good job with their integration and their UI design. And so, of course, the market's gonna follow them. And Tesla was selling so many cars. And the market went, okay, well, let's take that same thing. But now, the pendulum went too far.

• 54:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah. I mean, and, but also, if you think about all the things that you can do, just, just like to, I don't want to like, I like buttons for, for primary functions, no matter what. But like, think about how many more things you can do in your car now, because there's a screen.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 54:21Matt Farah?

  Like, just all kinds of settings and all kinds of stuff you can do to make your car a little better for you, because that screen is there. And like, think about the, the, the gap, the, the, the closing gap in luxury from a fucking Kia to a Mercedes now, because of what you can do with a, with a touchscreen and features and stuff like that.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  And imagine, if you took, if you took a, a launcher N right now, and you turned all of the N function adjustments, or like an Ioniq 5N, which is weird because it's electric, but like, if you took all of those, those adjustments that are in the screen and made a button for them, it would be three pianos. You know, you'd be that guy at a concert who's just like playing two different things. It would be, now it'd be overwhelming.

• 55:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So like, it's, uh, but no, I think, I think, one, car development cycles are a long time. So, it took a few years for all the automakers to pivot to chase Tesla to screens. And now, it's taken a few years for them to process people's frustration with screens and to, and to pivot their product lines back to buttons.

• 55:27Matt Farah?

  So, but where did they get that idea? I think we all know. Uh, check engine light bulb remover club. That would be a good T-shirt, actually.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  That's not a bad T-shirt.

• 55:37Matt Farah?

  You know what I'm so over? The anti-blank-blank clubs.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Right, the antisocial social club, but that's been taken.

• 55:43Matt Farah?

  But it's now, it's like, I go to a fucking Italian restaurant and it's like the anti-pasta pasta club. Like, just get the fuck out of here. It's lame.

• 55:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, how much of the recent crazy public auction, auction prices do you think are something nefarious? I.e. money laundering, market cornering, price anchoring versus the product of growing income inequality, especially of the have lots? I think it's that. I, I think that for, again, those 1,500 people.

• 56:16Matt Farah?

  Look, I thought most of those like, I thought the, all those yellow cars, I thought most of them were pretty ugly. But they were certainly unique and they had like delivery miles, the Meacom ones.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:28Matt Farah?

  And so you had a few people who found, who have all the money, for whom there is no difference between five and 11 million dollars, crazy as it is to say, who said, you know, I want that one. I'm never going to find a yellow delivery mile Enzo ever again. Probably. So whether, whatever it costs, let's fucking go. And then what happens after that is every, a bunch of other people that were thinking about selling are like, oh shit. And, and people are still hot because that's the new price.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 56:59Matt Farah?

  And so.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  But I think there also, there is probably some market pumping happening. We've talked about this with.

• 57:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  What, Dino's and the, uh.

• 57:06Matt Farah?

  Skylines, Hakoscas, yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Hakoscas, and there was a car that went up yesterday, the day before, and the first, the initial bid was like $500,000. I wish I could find the listing. And everyone went, this is almost a suspicious leap. Like this person was trying to set the reserve, even though they're without setting the reserve. And there's stuff like that where, you know, a dealership that deals in like vintage exotics could just bid themselves back and forth and pump their own book.

• 57:31Matt Farah?

  Well, and also something nefarious in terms of this question is a pretty wide, is a pretty widespread of things here. Like, like market cornering is one thing, but like money laundering is actually kind of a different thing.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Do you know Fort 9, you watch that channel?

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  I know what it is.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Great motorcycle stuff. They did a story recently about a ring of people that were laundering money by selling motorcycles. And they were, and they were trading like two-year-old MotoGP bikes from Ducati and some. And some special stuff, but the thing that kind of red flagged everyone is there was like a custom bike shop. That was taking huge deposits and huge amounts of money for like, like three times what the bike should be worth. And it kind of got everybody's attention and it turns out that that's probably what was going on and one of the people involved. Was that Canadian snowboarder who just turned himself in.

• 58:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, I was about to say he had a warehouse full of race bikes.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  It was that guy. So that's part of how they figured out how he was moving money around.

• 58:33Matt Farah?

  I have, I mean, not just as a fucking lefty, but I really, I do think. That these big auction prices for the most part are the result of the have lots having lots because. Look, I've done crimes before, like if you're doing crimes. Trying to hide those crimes by buying shit publicly at auction isn't the best idea. Even if you're trying to hide it by buying cars, there's lots of places to buy cars fucking quietly. You don't need to set a record at a public auction if what your goal is is to launder money.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're laundering money, you do it, you should do it quietly.

• 59:12Matt Farah?

  Quietly. You don't fucking go to Meacom and put on a cowboy hat and fucking, you know, send it. You keep that shit on the sly. I just think that there's a small number of people for whom there just isn't a difference.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  But if you want to, you know, let's say you sell the drugs and, you know, I buy the car from you. To pay you for the drugs that I have purchased from you, whatever, but now I want to exit, like I could sell the car at Meacom.

• 59:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  So that I can get my exit money. You gotta have a couple of people like that.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you do. You need, you need a fence. Yeah, you need a fence on the other side. Now this, in this particular case, the guy selling the cars had bought them new. So it wasn't that. It was a, but also like, I do have to say. The yellow cars in particular, there is a precedent. Uh, that buying unique specification, high-end Ferraris is a, is actually a very good investment. You know, like even if you spend a lot today, you hold it for a while, like you'll get your money back.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, for sure. Um, I, I don't think people lose a lot of money on unique specification Ferraris. You know, I mean, like factory, you know, factory ordered stuff.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:26Matt Farah?

  Um, there's obviously some examples where the car is like super, super ugly. Um, but just a yellow Enzo, like they didn't make a lot of them and you'll, that's probably a good investment.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  Uh, Nostradamus, pretty good.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  That's so good.

• 1:00:44Matt Farah?

  I'm thinking of a bit of you or me dressed up as a Nostradamus, fucking huffing a tank and taking questions.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  That's, I thought you were gonna go with like the, the Fast and Furious selling car parts type of Nostradamus. Like what turbo should I put on this thing? Like you want a 72 millimeter, not a 76.

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  See, that's funny too. Can I do that while ripping a fucking tank?

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  Okay, cool. All right. Uh, other than the obvious German sports, uh, other than the obvious German options, uh, what are some high-performance sports cars that comfortably seat tall drivers? I'm 6'7" and an in-shape 250. I've always wanted something more exotic, but struggle to fit. If I do, the sight lines tend to be a challenge. Yeah, that's tough.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  LeBron, he's always writing in. He's always writing in to us.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  This guy. Um, options for tall drivers. I mean, 911s, other than the obvious. So that's the problem is, uh, other than the obvious bits. I assume you're in America because you're using Freedom units. So the Alpine A110 will not do it.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Um, 6'7", like what is?

• 1:01:57Matt Farah?

  6'7", like front-engine Corvettes, not, you know, not the, not the, the C8s, but like C7s. That may not excite you so much, but it works.

• 1:02:12Matt Farah?

  Uh.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  You probably, it's probably safer to always go with a two plus two, right? Because then you can lean the seat back into that backseat like.

• 1:02:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Bentley GT.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:02:22Matt Farah?

  Bentley, get yourself a depreciated Bentley GT.

• 1:02:29Matt Farah?

  But like, the obvious is obvious for a reason, I hate to say, like what, like Lexus LC? Lexus LC, that's comfortable for a tall driver. I think so, yeah, they have lots of legroom.

• 1:02:46Matt Farah?

  The Mercedes S63 Cabriolet.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  The thing is, the average height in Germany is among the tallest in the world. Average height of a man is 5'11", I think here it's 5'9". So they're just, they're already designing the car for tall people.

• 1:03:00Matt Farah?

  They are.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  If Denmark makes a car, that'll be for you, because I think that's the average tallest, but.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  I don't know, Mustang, I don't know, I don't know how tall you can be to fit in a Mustang GT.

• 1:03:11Matt Farah?

  Pretty, pretty tall.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  And you can, I mean, you can lean the seat back, but eventually like you're, are you too far away from the wheel? How long are this guy's arms?

• 1:03:18Matt Farah?

  You may run into issues eventually.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Ergonomic challenges, for sure.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  Look up what basketball players drive, honestly, you are that height.

• 1:03:27Matt Farah?

  Hellcats.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  Like all the Hellcats, that's what really tall people drive.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Matt Farah?

  Seriously, like.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 1:03:34Matt Farah?

  There's a lot of like NBA players.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  That I, that, because we're across the street from the Clippers practice. And also Killer Mike is a big dude, he drives a Hellcat. He says, he told me the other day, he'll never give up his Hellcat.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're fun.

• 1:03:52Matt Farah?

  And like, I hate to say it, but like, you know, fast crossovers too. Tall drivers drive like Cayenne turbos and shit, you know, sometimes. But of the, but like, eliminating the obvious is, eliminates a lot of the good ones. Like, let's put the obvious back in for a minute. 911s are great for tall drivers. Audi R8s for mid-engine cars are good for tall drivers, not spiders, but R8 coupes are, are good.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  Bentley GTs are good.

• 1:04:24Matt Farah?

  Like, oh, the Mercedes, Mercedes C63 coupes. The two plus twos.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  That's a nice car.

• 1:04:30Matt Farah?

  Those are, those are good. And all those Mercedes AMG coupes. Those are really good for tall drivers. Like, they had like the E63 coupe thing for a while, like, those are great.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you, I think you have to go with the obvious.

• 1:04:46Matt Farah?

  Two plus twos.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. And two, maybe? I don't know. It's two plus two, I just don't know.

• 1:04:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, certainly an M4. An M4, the seat, is a huge car, and the seat goes way far back.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. The toking tire. That I like. Very mu- very nice. Is the premium for a 997 Carrera S over a 987 Cayman, Cayman S worth the 20 to 30 K delta in price difference? For comparable examples. Been lucky enough to drive many 911s, but this would be my first Cayman ownership experience. Is the 911 Carrera S experience versus a Cayman S experience? I mean,

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  20, 30 K, so you're talking about a $60,000 car versus a $40,000 car, really.

• 1:05:40Matt Farah?

  So, the thing is, both of those cars, if you keep them nice, are flat money. Right? Pretty much, or like, very, very slow depreciation. If you keep them nice and service them, right? They cost roughly the same to service and maintain.

• 1:05:57Matt Farah?

  The Carrera's gonna be faster. And because it's a small car, a 997's a pretty small car. The delta in size between a 911 and a Cayman is actually less than in the modern era. You know, like, they were actually closer in size then than they are now.

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  So it really depends on how much money you have. Like, if you can afford to park the extra money into the 9/11, I'd say probably yes, worth it. If you, like, if that, if that amount of money doesn't really mean something to you to hold on to and use for your life, like, and I'm not your accountant, like.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Do you think it matters what experience they want from the car? I mean, there's, there's a lot of overlap between these two vehicles. Like, they're comfortable for long distance, they're very sporty.

• 1:06:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  You could drive them on the track, blah, blah, blah, blah. But one is rear engine, one's mid-engine. I think they have distinct feels in that regard.

• 1:06:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  And so I think that's what I would focus on as well. Like, if the money doesn't matter, you go, okay, well, are you trying to have a 9/11 experience and, and get into that game? Or do you want to have the mid-engine thing?

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Which is a pretty rare thing to have, especially at this price point.

• 1:07:05Matt Farah?

  I mean, the good thing about this type of car is if you drive it for a year, you maintain it, whatever, like, other than the taxes and the insurance and whatever, your total cost of ownership is probably not that much. So if you think you might like to try a Cayman, try one. Drive it for a year, maybe you love it, maybe you go, ah, you know what? I think maybe actually that extra 20K to get me into that 9/11 is worth it. And now you've learned something. And maybe it costs you a little bit of money to learn that lesson, but in the meantime, like, you've had some fun. So like, if, yeah. But I think both of those cars, just in, like, financially, would be similar costs

• 1:07:48Matt Farah?

  to own over a period of time and have similarly slow depreciation curves if you drove them the same and maintained them, you know? Oh, is there more?

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Oh, many more.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Hmm. Advil and vodka. Did you ever steal a parent's or friend's parents' cars for a joyride? Anytime you borrowed a car you definitely shouldn't have, 100%.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:08:13Matt Farah?

  100%. My, my parents' cars, when they were out of town, I drove my dad's car to school instead of my car, and I immediately was narked out by a teacher. To my parents. Yeah, fully narked out. I got a phone call as soon as I got home from school.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. My fucking, my school was a goddamn surveillance state. Before that, before.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  It was educating you for now.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  9/11, they, when they fucking were like, you know, Dick Cheney was like, you know, we need to figure out how to control these fucking people, you know? Who's doing it right? Rye Country Day School in Rye, New York, basically the basis for the Patriot Act.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  It really prepared you from the modern age.

• 1:08:56Matt Farah?

  It really did, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But other, I mean, never it was like stolen and like fucking ripped it and did something like super, super crazy. But like, I definitely would roll my dad's car sans permission when my parents would go out of town. Uh, sometimes like, I don't even know why, just because it was there, you know, because why, why wouldn't you?

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  I was allowed to drive him, but I would do unauthorized off-roading.

• 1:09:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, well, that's a different story.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  I mean, we, we used to have, we had a 96 Grand Cherokee, I think. And, uh, I went off-roading and it came back and I washed the car and to hide the evidence. And I think I was 16 and my dad goes, did you go off-roading in the Jeep? And I go, no. He goes, interesting.

• 1:09:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Come here. Not good. So we walk outside and he opens the hood and I forgot to wash the engine. Mud, the entire engine bay is brown.

• 1:09:49Matt Farah?

  Outside is like spotless.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Yes, because I was splashing deep puddles and then I didn't notice he brought me around the back.

• 1:09:55Matt Farah?

  That's like a movie scene. That's like, we can clean it up, bro. They'll never know.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  My dad's got this righteous set of tools. And in the back, I had cracked the plastic bumper cover and it was hanging like eight inches off. And he's like, because from, you know, doing, uh, what is it? A departure angle? And, uh, he JB welded it on and held for the life of the car, but I was caught so quickly.

• 1:10:17Matt Farah?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, Travis Pastrana, uh, wait. Travis Pastrana's primary care provider. Hypothetical, you're going back to 1902 in the United States. You're allowed to bring whatever vehicle you want with you. What are you bringing?

• 1:10:38Matt Farah?

  I mean, the question is, can I get?

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Exactly. Can you get fuel?

• 1:10:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  And is it gonna be good enough?

• 1:10:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Is there gonna be unleaded fuel? So I was gonna go with something electric.

• 1:10:49Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Like, I'd go, like, Rivian?

• 1:10:52Matt Farah?

  Or, it would take like, seven days to charge a Rivian.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  It would, but otherwise I gotta find a chemist and say, can you take the lead out of this gasoline? Or you get something from like, the 50s, but...

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, can, let's...

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Let's assume you can get...

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  We could, we're gonna have to debate what fuel is available in 1900, not even debate. I gotta bring something that has a flex fuel system. Right?

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  GTR with a tune?

• 1:11:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Koenigsegg.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Something that runs on...

• 1:11:24Matt Farah?

  I mean, like, my perfect 1902 vehicle would be a Sherp. A Sherp, a Sherp is, there is no better vehicle for a world essentially without roads, without laws, no vehicle registration. You have a tiny little diesel engine, assuming you could get diesel. I, I, I think you could get diesel. Could you get diesel in 1902? If you could get diesel, this thing can go 2,000 miles on a tank of diesel.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Uh, diesel, the first diesel engine was patented in 1892.

• 1:12:01Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  First working prototype in 1897.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  We're getting close!

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Getting real close, buddy.

• 1:12:07Matt Farah?

  So there's one guy in America who makes diesel, you just have to go back to this one?

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  The fuel itself was, it was called distillate, and that was first used in commercial engines in 1898. So I think you could find it.

• 1:12:18Matt Farah?

  Okay, so you could get diesel.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  That's a good, that is a good solution.

• 1:12:21Matt Farah?

  A Sherp is it, dude. That's, that's gonna be, it's got a tractor motor.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Well, and, because roads are probably not that well mapped, so if you encounter a lake, you can keep going, no problem. I'd have to go around it.

• 1:12:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. As, as, I don't know about since, but as of the time that I drove the Sherp and they'd been making them for like, three years, they said that none had ever gotten a flat tire, and only one had ever broken its drive chain. So like, I feel like I could fucking make it a couple of years.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  That's a really good choice.

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  Down there with a Sherp, right?

• 1:12:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. Has there ever been a time in your life where you wish you had a mulligan? Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:06Matt Farah?

  Oh, God, yeah. Way too embarrassing to talk about them here. Uh, do you try to think about, I mean, yeah, no, dude, I mean,

• 1:13:15Matt Farah?

  I haven't had any like huge ones, but like certainly a lot of small ones where I wish I'd acted differently.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:13:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  And I, I think I used to feel really bad. I mean, I still do sometimes like ruminate on that stuff. But what I think I read, you know, the things you have done have led to who you are today. So if you like went back and changed those things, you have that butterfly effect, you know, would you, the lessons you learn from doing those things, quote, wrong. Maybe that informs you going forward and you are the, you know, the good, better person you are today because of that stuff.

• 1:13:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it, uh, it takes like a lot of therapy to, uh, to stop beating yourself up for those things.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, and to like, and to forgive yourself and also like, I just, I, you know, people, people come up to me all the time and remember me from somewhere, say, I met you here and sometimes they'll be like, I said this really like dumb thing in front of you and like, I do not remember.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  But that shit will for some reason have haunted them until they, and they, to them, and, and, you know, to the point where they feel they need to bring it up. And it just reminds me constantly of the things that I did that I found to be like so embarrassing or shameful or social faux pas. Or I said this dumb thing and this girl looked at me weird and like, fucking nobody at the other half of that remembers any of that shit.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:39Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  So, yeah.

• 1:14:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, even Flowmaster, uh, should license plate covers be illegal across the country? Yeah, probably. I think they are illegal in most places.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Most states, yeah. People recommend it, but let the police figure that out.

• 1:14:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt Paradigm Titties, you and three other drivers get to do Nurburgring 24. Who's on your team and what are you driving?

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  I choose Chris Harris.

• 1:15:11Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  And then I need two professionals.

• 1:15:14Matt Farah?

  You want Rob Holland?

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Rob is great.

• 1:15:17Matt Farah?

  You want Rob Holland?

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  He's nice as hell.

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  You want Chris Harris?

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  And then you want someone that's even faster than Rob Holland?

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Like Ollie Bierman or something, someone like that. Oh, you go Max Verstappen?

• 1:15:29Matt Farah?

  Well, Yorg Bergmeister.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Or Yorg, yeah.

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  On the Nürburgring, I think I might put New York Bergmeister above Max Verstappen. Same car. I think Yorg could take Max on the Nürburgring.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  I might choose Lee Keane, which he hasn't raced in a while, but I like him. I know him. You know, he's good.

• 1:15:48Matt Farah?

  And what are we driving? I mean, we're driving a cup car. It has to be a 911 cup.

• 1:15:55Matt Farah?

  It's a good time. 90's Dance Organ says, can you scroll down a little bit? I like to put my spin on, on, well, wait.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Why haven't you put wheels and exhaust on your Countach?

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  My friend, my friend, there are things you do not know. First off, just imagine rims on a Countach.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  I mean, can you imagine?

• 1:16:25Matt Farah?

  Any other wheel in the fucking history of aftermarket wheels that would make a Countach look better than gold goddamn phone dials?

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:36Matt Farah?

  Are you fucking kidding me? Improve on that? Habibi, you do not improve on Gandini. That's absurd.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  It's a pretty stunning wheel.

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  That's absurd. That's fuck. And that's, by the way, made by Ozzy. So they come on rims, my friend. And oh, by the way, my car has a fucking exhaust on it. My car, I purchased it with an Albertoni V12 engineering catback exhaust on it. So it's already got that.

• 1:17:09Matt Farah?

  But yeah, you know, fucking, fu- fucking with a Countach with

• 1:17:16Matt Farah?

  rims.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  What about like, uh, like Alpinas, you know, some big like 21s books? No?

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Something very edgy to match the edges of the Countach.

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God. I think I'm getting sweats.

• 1:17:32Matt Farah?

  Can you imagine, dude, how easily you could fuck that car up?

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Take Gallardo wheels.

• 1:17:37Matt Farah?

  Rims.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  You know, the straight lines, put those on there, it's in the family, man.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, Yamaha Bibi says, what cars would you like to own in the next 10 or so years?

• 1:17:53Matt Farah?

  It's so funny, there's nothing that's like on the list that's reasonable. Everything that I would like is so fucking expensive that I can't afford it. And that's a shame. I would say I'd like to eventually have another air-cooled 911. I really enjoyed it. I'd, I'd, I'd pretty much leave it alone, like I'd want a street car, I could drive a lot.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:16Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't, oh, my God, that is terrible. Yeah, here's a Countach anniversary on rims. And they look like fairly high-quality rims, but they, that sucks. That looks awful.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  That's fucking brutally bad, dude.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  I found like one example.

• 1:18:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's bad.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, a nice, a nice air-cooled thing would be cool. I was, I was lightly shopping for Terminator Cobras. They've gone up in price.

• 1:18:42Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Quite a bit.

• 1:18:43Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  I mean, I think I need to search for ones with higher mileage. That, Thaddeus was helping me. I pivoted his brain from old Mustang to newer Mustang. And he was, the cars were like 40 grand. Which is not crazy, but it's more than I was expecting.

• 1:18:58Matt Farah?

  There, there is another Mustang I have my eye on, but they, they really don't exist. And so, but, I mean, I'm, I'm very excited about the Mercedes. I'm excited about having a custom cruiser, which I think will be, cause now it's like, now I'm 44. Now I want like, I want cars that are cool, but for like doing the things that I do. And so like, you know, I, I spend a lot of time in traffic, like fucking on nice days.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  Right. Have something that you're excited to sit in traffic with.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 1:19:29Matt Farah?

  Fine.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  Bright ling long baloney skins. Thoughts on Volvo S60 and V60 Recharge plug-in hybrids? We drove that, we've driven those before, or I did, I thought they were, I thought it was nice.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  I can't remember.

• 1:19:46Matt Farah?

  My sister-in-law has an S60 Recharge and very much likes it.

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  Super, some of the best seats available today.

• 1:19:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know what, they're, they're, they're not like exciting dynamically. They, they, the steering isn't great, um, but they're beautifully designed, spacious, the seats are fabulous, the ride is good, they're really, really comfortable.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Nice to look at.

• 1:20:09Matt Farah?

  Lot of highway, if you do highway miles, commuting or whatever, they're sweet, yeah. They're not exciting dynamically, but they are very nice. Um, did you highlight this one for a minute?

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:24Matt Farah?

  Okay. And then, and then she said, wait, and then she said now in my back. Oh, now in my back. That's pretty funny. Uh, I'm a huge pre Renault Niso fan, pre Renault Nissan fan. How in the world is Nissan pulling off a manual Z, uh, the new Godzilla, a Nismo Armada and an Infiniti Sports sedan in the next two to three years when they were a year away from bankruptcy? Do you feel there's any hope or is this last hurrah? It's so fucking interesting, I don't, I pay so little attention to Nissan's finances. I don't know.

• 1:21:05Matt Farah?

  Is that, I mean, the manual Z didn't seem hard. It seemed like they just took the two things they already, already had and should put them together. I realize that it does cost some money to do that, but that doesn't seem that hard. The return of Godzilla, is that an electric car? Isn't that supposed to be an electric car? Nismo Armada seems pretty straightforward.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  It's going to turn out to be a hybrid.

• 1:21:30Matt Farah?

  A hybrid.

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  Three to five years.

• 1:21:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  I mean, like, I think the thing is, companies always have to say what they're going to do next.

• 1:21:38Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  And if they hit a snag that's large enough called bankruptcy, like, these projects will go away. And they might have to give up, I mean, what you just listed are like four exciting things. They might give up, you know, the middle thing. Like, they might need a flagship car, like a new GTR, to remind people that they're cool and keep selling, you know, crossovers to people in 20 years or 10 years. And then maybe they need the Armada to actually sell to people.

• 1:22:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  But if things go belly up, like, these projects will just get abandoned.

• 1:22:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  And there'll be prototypes somewhere for sale.

• 1:22:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  That's what'll happen.

• 1:22:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you'll be able to get the one, you know, manual fucking Z.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  I think the car companies will always keep trying until they can't.

• 1:22:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, that's true. Micah Moore, I have a ZL1 manual looking to move to maybe a C8Z06. What is a comparable price range Cayman option still manual GT4?

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's like right in the same price range as C8Z06.

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  There are plenty out there. GT4 is what you want.

• 1:22:42Matt Farah?

  The eco boosting me. There you go. Rise Against.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  It's the eco terrorist in me is a good, good Rise Against song. Very good. You understood the assignment.

• 1:22:55Matt Farah?

  You mentioned a few shows back, you don't like titanium watches. I know they're not as cosmetically durable. Is there another reason? Yeah, it has nothing to do with cosmetically durable. I think titanium watches feel cheap. I think they feel plasticky. Like, I have this debate with Ali all the time because he's obsessed with titanium watches and buys all titanium watches. But like, to me, like, the weight of titanium is not light enough to impress me like a Richard meal, but too light to feel like expensive and like solid. But that's just me. I think they're pretty durable though. Trump's thigh gap.

• 1:23:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, I originally, this is the fuck, marry, kill. Coffee, alcohol, and weed. Coffee, alcohol, but kept, oh wait.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  You get two of them.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  Are you getting, you gotta pick two. Coffee, alcohol, tea, and weed, well. I would keep coffee and weed.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  I would keep coffee and tea, actually. Cause I don't. Yeah, I did Dry January, like, and it was great. Slept so well.

• 1:24:09Matt Farah?

  Uh, I love Vagcom. Says, uh, what are some OEM build options that greatly improve the vehicle's performance? And any that are gimmicky and don't enhance performance?

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  I mean, if you can get, if adaptive ride is an option on something, that completely changes the nature of the car.

• 1:24:28Matt Farah?

  Sure. Uh, I mean, something like the Z51 package on a Corvette.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Essential.

• 1:24:33Matt Farah?

  Uh. OEM build, I mean, so like in a Mustang, the short, the closer axle ratio, like if the standard is the, the, whatever it is, 323 or something, and then you can get the 355 or the 373, that will produce a noticeable difference.

• 1:24:51Matt Farah?

  Lightweight wheels. Noticeably, if they are actual lightweight wheels.

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  And in some cars, like, uh, on the Miata's, when you get the Club Sport, you get the better brakes, I think, and slightly better suspension, and the seats. Like that, you get all of that in that package. And that can help everything.

• 1:25:10Matt Farah?

  Anything that's gimmicky and doesn't enhance performance?

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Wings, a lot of the time, I mean.

• 1:25:16Matt Farah?

  Sure, aero bits?

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  When they go, like the stat of it has this much downforce at top speed.

• 1:25:20Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Okay, it does, technically that's true.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  But they do that. They use that to tell you, like, to give you a bigger number of downforce, but it's at a speed you'll never attain.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  Um, well, performance options that don't add performance.

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, just wheels of different design, you know, but, but that aren't any lighter and don't come with better tires, I guess.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  True. And there's a lot of cars where they'll sell like the sport edition and then it has the same engine as the base one. It has other things, but it's not really that much faster.

• 1:25:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, I would say, look, if for, if, if someone is honest and they get a GT3 or something and they know they're not taking it to the track and they get cup two tires, they're gonna have an actual worse experience than if they just got regular tires.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Good point, yeah.

• 1:26:11Matt Farah?

  Um, my spider as a road car is actually better on, on PS4S. It's like, right now, I'm actually driving a GT3 RS on PSS5s, um, just to see how that car, if it's, if it's a better, uh, road car on, on regular tires. And it kind of is. Um, let's see. Anyway, uh, keep going. See, I see what's on. Oh, man. Uh, wow. Jeremy Clarkson spoke in class

• 1:26:51Matt Farah?

  today. That's a fabulous username. My silly punk band just licensed a song for a Nike commercial. Sweet. Uh, how do you celebrate victories without becoming complicit? What does becoming complicit, you mean like, like you're a punk band that sold a song to a corporation?

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  That means involved with others in illegal activity or wrongdoing. So maybe they just mean...

• 1:27:15Matt Farah?

  Wait, what?

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  That's what complicit means.

• 1:27:17Matt Farah?

  Well, I know what the word complicit means, but like becoming complicit in what?

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Right. That's so...

• 1:27:22Matt Farah?

  I think you mean, have you, have you raged against the machine without taking the machine's money?

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  That is a good question.

• 1:27:29Matt Farah?

  Sometimes, I mean, look, if you license a song to a corporation to use for a commercial, but they don't like change the song. And it's not for, it's Nike. It's not for like, you know, it's not like ICE fucking using it for one of their fucking, what they call, it's, it's not actually a meme. It's just a really mean video. Um, but, uh, yeah, I don't know. I think, I think... You gotta pay the bills, man.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think, I think there's, you're not selling out like you're getting paid for the art you made.

• 1:28:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  And if that allows you to keep making art in the way that you want to, you have to find that balance. But, um, yeah, I think it depends on who's using it and for what end. So there's a lot of, during the campaigns and other stuff where like, a song was taken and used for a political campaign that the artist did not align with, and they would send them a cease and desist letter and say, "Do not use my song for your walkout stage shit."

• 1:28:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  You can't do that.

• 1:28:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think unless you're incredibly ideologically opposed to Nike specifically, I don't, I think you could still play punk music and license your song to them for a commercial. I think, I think that's okay. Yeah. It becomes when you, how do you, if you catch yourself writing music and going, "I think this would be good for commercials." That's maybe, that's maybe where you draw the line. You know, keep doing the art, and then maybe a commercial will come to you, I guess.

• 1:29:01Speaker 01

  I think it just depends on which company approaches you and if you're okay with their business practice.

• 1:29:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Grr Corolla. Okay. "I currently lease a Corolla and I'm thinking about buying it. My wife and I are hoping to have children soon and love camping and outdoor activities. My concern with the Corolla is its size and ground clearance. We do light off-roading to campsites and getting to ski resorts in the snow. I've seen used Cayenne's go for about the same price as I would buy out the Corolla, around 35 grand for a good example that supposedly needs nothing and has a warranty. Question, do I buy the Corolla and a set of entry-level rally-style coilovers for a moderate lift and a wheel and tire package?" That sounds fun.

• 1:29:49Matt Farah?

  "Or do I buy a Cayenne and put..." Can you scroll down to make sure I'm... Do I return the Corolla and purchase an older Cayenne? Or something else that comes to mind in that price range that doesn't need modifications?

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  I mean, that's an interesting math question because, you know, what's the cost of the coilovers in the wheel and tire package versus using that money and saving it for repairs on the Cayenne? Of course, the Cayenne repairs could easily eclipse what you could spend on rally suspension.

• 1:30:19Matt Farah?

  True.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  So that could go really bad.

• 1:30:21Matt Farah?

  But you could also, if you could buy a used Cayenne with a fucking

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  Extended warranty.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  Extended warranty. And if you doesn't need to modify it, you got a couple of years, unlimited miles, no worries.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  I would probably, unless you like, love this Corolla so much, you know, buying out a lease only really makes sense if you're going to keep this thing for a really long time.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  And I think you're building a contraption to do this task, but is this contraption going to be optimal for that thing? Like, how is it gonna, I don't know, change its handling on the road and handling on the highway? And miles per gallon, like, and reliability and then the angle of the half shafts and all that stuff? Like, you're kind of going down, you're making an experiment, whereas the Cayenne is like, made to do exactly what you are trying to do with a vehicle. So, my excitement for the Corolla, I'm like, that's a cool project idea, but I think the smart money would be buy the Cayenne.

• 1:31:24Matt Farah?

  Right. I think you could probably do the Corolla plan and it would probably be fine.

• 1:31:31Matt Farah?

  But, I think you might have a better experience just having a stock car with a warranty to do those types of activities.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Plus, I mean, you're, well, your kids will be small for a while, so like, the backseat of the Corolla is fine, but it's pretty tight.

• 1:31:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Cayenne has way more space.

• 1:31:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  So, that might come into play.

• 1:31:54Matt Farah?

  It is a small backseat.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Anymore?

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, right. Habibi comeback? I just bought my first automatic car. I like it. It's an Lexus IS500. I'm self-conscious that my 20-plus years of shifting technique will be lost.

• 1:32:14Matt Farah?

  Can you heel and toe quickly after long periods away from a stick? I'm considering a Thrasher Track Rat to go back to a manual, but I'm tight on space. I was, I will say that you do have to keep it up.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  I think you'll get rusty, but it will come back very quickly.

• 1:32:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. I think you'd have, you'd have a bit of a transitional period.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  But it could be like an hour or like depending on the car. I think it's really quick.

• 1:32:42Matt Farah?

  But getting, uh, getting a track, getting a manual car for fun, sounds fun.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 1:32:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  You can do it.

• 1:32:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  But if they're tight on, if you're, if you're really only getting it because you're worried about losing the skill, don't. It's like riding a bicycle. But if you just are looking for a way for us to justify you getting a track car, we can help with that.

• 1:33:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All right. Um, I am going to, I have to pee really bad. I'm gonna say one more and then we will call it.

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  These are the last.

• 1:33:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, they are?

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Ones.

• 1:33:12Matt Farah?

  Okay. All right. Uh, let's say gated manual trans, 15 to 20K, weekend car, must have manual and fit two adults and two small children. Prefer, I mean, prefer V8, but other options are good that make good sounds, generally reliable and live in Louisiana. I'm looking for an 04 to 07 CTSV and GTO. What else should I be considering?

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  Mustang GT.

• 1:33:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, nothing, you, you've done such a great job of defining what you want.

• 1:33:45Speaker 01

  This is a great way to ask a question.

• 1:33:46Matt Farah?

  Because you lead yourself to the answer. There's only like four possible options here. Uh, Mustangs, Camaros, and those cars that derive from them. That's really it. Um, it's like what fucking year, what fucking body, what do you, what do you want? Uh, there you go. 2012 Mustang GT, premium coupe, 6缸 manual, supercharged, 15 grand.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  I mean, look, we're on Cars and Bids and there are 2018 Mustang coupe, white, manual.

• 1:34:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  Unmodified with performance package, $19,000.

• 1:34:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  This stuff, you, it's, you'll have the pick of the litter when it comes to these things. So you can kind of choose Chevy or Camaro.

• 1:34:28Matt Farah?

  Wow, look at that, look at that 95 Mustang GT convertible Mario Andretti, 12,000 miles.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Supercharged.

• 1:34:35Matt Farah?

  A no sale at 12 Gs. Pull that fucking thing up. Pull that. Dude, that looks like it's modified like my Spyder. It's got the side scoops like my Spyder. It's got HREs dude, those are HRE wheels.

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  Is it really? Those spokes are too small.

• 1:34:51Matt Farah?

  That is the same year and colored car of my car in high school. It's the same year.

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  Did yours have the signature on the side?

• 1:34:59Matt Farah?

  No, but those are HRE wheels and the same kind of size. How did I not see this?

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  We gotta see, oh.

• 1:35:04Matt Farah?

  I'd have thrown 13 Gs in for this.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  This red shifter, red shifter.

• 1:35:08Matt Farah?

  That's not bad. 12,000 miles, this would have been a hell of a car.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  It's supercharged too.

• 1:35:14Matt Farah?

  Damn, I wish I saw that.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  It's a no sale, right?

• 1:35:18Matt Farah?

  I know, it's a no sale.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  So DM them.

• 1:35:20Matt Farah?

  I probably could. Salina, Kansas. Huh.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Oh, what a road trip.

• 1:35:24Matt Farah?

  Dude, that's kind of hilarious actually. I can't believe that's on there. Yeah, that's what you want. Alright, um.

• 1:35:34Matt Farah?

  Me come, you come, we all come. Love that. Me come, you come, we all come. Wants to ask about the Hearst writers' strike. When I came, or when Zach was sorting the questions for the show this morning, he said, "Hey Matt, what's up with the Hearst writers' strike?" To which I DM'd or messaged my editor and I was like, "Hey, are we on strike?" To which, no response. I have, I don't know, anything. Nothing. Apparently, some writers did a half-day walkout yesterday.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  Would responding be breaking the strike?

• 1:36:08Matt Farah?

  I don't think so. I, I don't know. No idea. But the strike occurred at the Hearst, it was like a walkout that happened at Hearst Tower. And I don't think any road and track employees actually work at Hearst Tower. Oh, some might.

• 1:36:26Speaker 01

  No, they, well, they used to be.

• 1:36:28Matt Farah?

  You know who might? Some like art department people might, I think. But not like editorial. No one editorial who writes, I don't think, works in Hearst Tower at all. Anyway, point being, I learned about it after you, the person who asked the question. I don't know shit, I'm sorry.

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did a half-day walkout after a month of negotiations with management failed to reach a deal.

• 1:36:49Matt Farah?

  Sure. Well, in case you're wondering, I'm on the side of the writers. I'm not a union member, but I'm on the side of the writers, always. Um, cause I'm, I'm actually not even employee. I'm an independent contractor. So. That's our show, people. Thanks for having us in your cars, in your ears.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  In your ears.

• 1:37:09Matt Farah?

  Talking mad shit.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  Providing advice.

• 1:37:12Matt Farah?

  The value, extremely valuable advice. Fucking Cayenne hybrid. So that's.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Love to do some homework. Everyone in the, in the comments or in the chat was like, you want more towing capacity and also pay attention to the braking capacity when towing.

• 1:37:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  There's the pulling weight and then there's like, how well can you stop this stuff?

• 1:37:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sure. Yeah. Fortunately, Porsche has multiple brake sizes for different cars.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  And PCCBs.

• 1:37:38Matt Farah?

  No, but they have the other ones. They have the PCSBs, the white caliper.

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:42Matt Farah?

  That's the other one. But I think, um, Cayenne's have not just, Cayenne's have regen too. So they have, they have a, a serious amount of not just caliper, but, but a, a, of regenerative brake capacity too. I don't know.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  We'll figure it out.

• 1:37:57Matt Farah?

  What we do, we get a press car and we try it.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:38:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, we try before we buy. I learned that fucking lesson. No more Focus RS mistakes for me. We try before we buy, always. Uh, thanks everybody. See you next time. Bye.