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• 1:30Speaker 01

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• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques.

• 1:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. I almost said that. I had to think about it first.

• 2:03Andrew Manganelli?

  It hasn't been working as well as we'd hoped, but...

• 2:05Speaker 01

  I'm David.

• 2:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Do it more.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know what did work? Last time, we asked people who hadn't subscribed to subscribe, and then they did. Yeah. It was kinda crazy how directly... I hate how that works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have this peeve where if I'm watching a YouTube video and the YouTuber looks into the camera and asks me to subscribe before starting anything in the video, I get a little mad. I usually click off. And I usually don't.

• 2:28Andrew Manganelli?

  So we'll have to find a better way.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then we...

• 2:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause it works.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  That's very well. And it kind of worked, so yeah, it's a middle ground. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you're watching this and you're one of those people, please don't get mad, but if you aren't subscribed and they show us up on your feed every week, maybe consider subscribing. It does great for us, it's amazing. Yeah. Uh, anyway, this week, we have a whole bunch of stuff. Meta's in the midst of an active lawsuit. We saw, um, maybe there's a new AirTag competitor coming, possibly. Uh, we also want to wrap it up with a game because we have a lot of fun with those, so the last segment will be a game. Uh, but first, there was a huge story this week. I mean, it's the elephant in the room. We can't really not talk about it, so I figured we might as well intro the entire podcast with it. Uh, sometimes it's an uncomfortable topic for people, but we just gotta get right into it, um, and not really mess around.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  New Beats cables. This, I mean, we saw this coming a mile away. Once we saw Beats was making phone cases, we knew that this was not off the table, but we just didn't know when. We knew Beats, they've gotta make more iPhone accessories, but when are they gonna make a cable? And they finally did it. And so we have them here. There's actually four colors.

• 3:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Product of the year, probably.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I know it's a little early to say that, but... I feel confident.

• 3:42David Imel?

  It's 2025. It's it. They go pretty hard. There's four colors. This is I'm holding two of them, the black and the white. I don't know.

• 3:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You mean Bolt Black and Surge Stone?

• 3:52David Imel?

  Surge Stone. You're right. Those are the names. And I have Nitro Navy and Rapid Red.

• 3:57Andrew Manganelli?

  What? Those are worse somehow.

• 3:59David Imel?

  These sound like Red Bull, like, names.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  Dude, they sound like monster names.

• 4:03David Imel?

  Monster.

• 4:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 4:04David Imel?

  Yeah. Wait, what was the black one?

• 4:05Andrew Manganelli?

  G Fuel?

• 4:06David Imel?

  It was. Are they all alliterations? Bolt Black. So they're all. They're all.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  It was Nitro Blue.

• 4:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Nitro Navy.

• 4:13David Imel?

  Nitro Navy.

• 4:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Rapid Red. Surge Stone's the.

• 4:16David Imel?

  Surge Stone.

• 4:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Surge Stone's fine.

• 4:18David Imel?

  That sounds like a Pokemon evolution.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  It's not fine.

• 4:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It's better than Rapid Red.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, but Stone, at least Rapid Red, like, oh, it charges fast or whatever. Like, Stone does not surge.

• 4:28David Imel?

  Sorry, as you know.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  I mean, there's one surging in your computer right now.

• 4:32David Imel?

  Oh, silicon, technically a stone. Uh, they do charge at 60 watts. So these are, so these are one and a half meter woven USB C cables, C to C, 60 watt charging. They're USB 2.0. They're not really meant for data. They do. They technically do. So if you want to, like, transfer, if you want to plug them into your headphones or whatever, I guess that's cool. But, um, yeah, they're just charging cables.

• 4:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I also think the USB's A to C is 15 watt.

• 4:58David Imel?

  Oh, is it?

• 4:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I think so.

• 4:59David Imel?

  Okay, well, they, they are selling these four colors. They sell them in two length variations. There is a five foot or eight inch option. They come in C to C, C to A, and C to Lightning. They're all. What is it? $19 for one or $35 for two, no matter what length you get, which is already ridiculous. Can I ask a question? Sure. What is the point of an eight inch cable? What do you do with an eight inch cable? A USB C to C cable? Yeah, I'm not sure. And they're, they're, they're all $19. For everyone who's literally not in the US, 20 centimeters. 1.5 meters, I think. Oh, you mean the smaller one? Eight inch cable, yeah, 20 centimeters. Here's the thing, guys. Uh, they're $19 for one and $35 for two. They're 60 watt, uh, USB 2. The anchor equivalent.

• 5:43David Imel?

  On Amazon right now is $10 for two of that same spec. That is also braided.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  This is the thing you're gonna find in the Best Buy airport kiosk where like, oops, I forgot my cable. Like, I know I'm gonna get upcharged for convenience here, but I'm just gonna buy one anyway, cuz I need it. Cuz my headphones are about to die and I'm about to get on a plane.

• 6:01David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  And whatever. They're just a cable, and it's the Beats cable, so they'll probably work with my headphones.

• 6:06David Imel?

  Mark has made a good point that, like, Apple does not sell anything except for the MacBooks that charge at more than 60 watts.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:15David Imel?

  So that's fair, but they're expensive, and I would rather have something that's faster and can do more data for cheaper.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  I'd argue most people have the brick as their limiting factor. So if you're buying a new cable, it's probably to charge something under 60 watts. It's probably, oh, my phone, I need a new charging cable. Oh, my headphones, I need to charge my iPad.

• 6:38David Imel?

  I know.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:39David Imel?

  I don't like that you're right about that.

• 6:42Andrew Manganelli?

  If you wanna spend a lot of money on cables, there are some really nice cables out there.

• 6:46David Imel?

  There are.

• 6:47Andrew Manganelli?

  The Anchor Prime is like one of the nicest braided cables, I think. And this is 240 watts. It is 30 bucks, so it's 10.

• 6:54David Imel?

  And PD, you know.

• 6:55Andrew Manganelli?

  It's.

• 6:56David Imel?

  30 bucks for one cable.

• 6:57Andrew Manganelli?

  30 bucks for one cable is a lot, but this is a very nice braided cable, and.

• 7:01David Imel?

  That's the Cadillac of cables right there. You know what? Okay, so you guys have a box of wires, right?

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Everybody, yeah.

• 7:09David Imel?

  Exactly.

• 7:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Drawer.

• 7:10David Imel?

  Everyone's got a drawer or a box. I have two. I have one just for power and one for non-power. Mine's a suitcase. It's full of wires. It's full of like, old random earbuds that I got given. But there are so many. So I had, a couple of weeks ago, I went through my suitcase. And I recycled anything that, any brick that was less than 30 watts, I recycled. And I recycled any cable that was micro USB, except for one, just in case.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Just in case you need one, yeah.

• 7:39David Imel?

  And then anything that was like A to C, I was like, I just, there probably will be a day. Whenever I rent a car from Turo, it's always only gotten a, like, USB A port. And I'm like, well, now I can't use Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. There's a lot of people out there who just buy a cable that's just convenient. Best Buy kiosk is 100% what these are for.

• 7:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 7:59David Imel?

  They look nice, so people will be more willing to spend money on them at the last minute.

• 8:03Andrew Manganelli?

  The top comment on the Apple subreddit about these was, is it compatible with the polishing cloth?

• 8:09Speaker 01

  That sounds like the Apple subreddit. Got him, yeah. Shout out to the Apple subreddit. Is the polishing cloth more expensive than these? It's twenty, it's nineteen dollars. I think it's the same price, yeah.

• 8:18Andrew Manganelli?

  But.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Hot take. Yeah, how, how fast is that chart? Well, I think I've said this before. I think that one of my hottest takes is that the polishing cloth is worth the money. No, I know. I think I've said that on the podcast, but it is actually, it's like nano, you know, it's not microfiber, it's like nano fiber. It's so good.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  You think it's worth twenty dollars?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes, I do, actually.

• 8:39Speaker 05

  Have you bought one?

• 8:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I think.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  But it's come, it's come with stuff that I have bought.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  Wait, this is probably a good time to announce to audio listeners that Adam is not actually on the podcast today. And we are joined by co-host Mariah Zeng.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  It's a cool animation, yeah. Well, anyway, yeah, that, that was the big story of the week. We just had to talk about it up top. I know we don't usually, you know, get into that stuff on this podcast, but this felt like a big enough story that we had to go there. So I hope you guys appreciate our unbiased coverage.

• 9:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Right.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Moving on, there's a story iPhones may, or I guess have now been exempted. This is an ongoing, okay.

• 9:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Ongoing development with tariffs. We left off last week with some things that have been changing.

• 9:22Andrew Manganelli?

  It's hard to cover tariffs right now.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Do you remember the number we left off with last week? It was like twenty, twenty-five percent. Thirty-four percent? It was thirty-four percent. You know what it was when the episode came out? I think it went up.

• 9:32Andrew Manganelli?

  One forty-five.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Hundred and forty-five percent. I think it's in the two hundreds now. It's, it's bumped up again. Or maybe that's just something I saw on Reddit, and maybe that's not even true. Who knows, baby? But the, the story now is iPhones may be specifically exempt from tariffs. So this was one of those big questions that connects to regular people, which is, okay, the new iPhone's gonna come out later this year. Will it be dramatically more expensive than we're expecting because of tariffs? Three thousand dollars is not how much it will cost. That is what everyone online says to scare you. Well, there were some stories floating around of like, lots of these things are made in China, a lot, they're assembled in China, these factories are in China, a lot of Apple stuff gets built there, and these tariffs, you know, seem to be heavily affecting a lot.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  These parts, so maybe the iPhone will be heavily affected. So understandably, there's a lot of conversation about it. But you know, Tim Cook doing his supply chain wizardry or just politicism or whatever, just has a few conversations. And now the iPhone looks to be exempt from tariffs, at least for the time being.

• 10:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, okay, this is as far as I've got. And once again, could change exempt from reciprocal tariffs.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:42Andrew Manganelli?

  But placed in this different, I kept seeing it called tariff bucket.

• 10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That it's right now in this weird like thing they're saying called the fentanyl tariff, which is to punish China from importing fentanyl into the US. I don't want to go any further into that because I don't understand it.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  That was an existing tariff that they had.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's for sending fentanyl precursors to Mexico where it is manufactured in a fentanyl.

• 11:11Andrew Manganelli?

  The talk is that within the next couple of months, we might see some different types of tariffs coming to the semiconductor industry. So it's not just Apple, but semiconductor tech, pretty much everything we've talked about will have some sort of reciprocation from that. But I think wanted to say that because I don't think it'll be in the whatever 145% proposed tariff, but it will have some tariffs. And also, we're gonna try and maybe not talk about numbers of tariffs much here because it's almost impossible for it to ever come out at the updated price point.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, by the time this podcast comes out and by the time you listen to it and by the time it's a week later and someone else clicks on it. Yeah, I mean, here's a headline threatens new tariffs on smartphones days after exempting them. So I just got to, you know, it's hard, especially on a podcast that we record two days before we release. Things change multiple times a day in the current moment.

• 12:04Andrew Manganelli?

  We have a quick turnaround also.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  We do considering. So that's the best we can do for now. If we're wrong, I'm sorry. We try our best.

• 12:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. I have two other updates that have come that might.

• 12:16David Imel?

  Be related.

• 12:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Be updated slightly to tariffs.

• 12:19David Imel?

  Heck, yes.

• 12:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. There's a leaker named Billy Bill Kuhn. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but that's their username. And it's going around that he's found some things about Switch 2 preorder dates opening in Canada and the US. So that's, you know, one thing we've worried about. If it got delayed because of that, what's happening? But it seems pretty soon this, the Canada might open up on April 23rd and we might see in the US, preorders opening sometime between the 21st and the 30th, which is next week, right?

• 12:50David Imel?

  A week long.

• 12:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Hopefully we'll be able to talk about it next week. And I think the most interesting thing there, other than, you know, actually preordering is-

• 12:58David Imel?

  How much it'll cost?

• 12:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly.

• 12:59David Imel?

  That's what I'm, I'm just so curious.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  If those are the preorder dates and the price doesn't change, I forgot if I asked y'all already, are you preordering? Did you say you would? Or you were just gonna wait?

• 13:09David Imel?

  I went from duh to maybe.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Okay. So maybe that's not a preorder that's like just waiting and-

• 13:18David Imel?

  I feel like it would probably be smart, cause I'm probably not gonna be one of the person, the people that just like wants to play the new games immediately. So it might be like a down the line when it's discounted, maybe I'll get something.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Block for you.

• 13:31David Imel?

  I'll get one, yeah.

• 13:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Like this, the console's discounted?

• 13:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I'm gonna be the first time I happen to see it sitting in physical stock at like a store and just be like,

• 13:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Ah, I mean.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  You're probably gonna walk into like a Target or a store you don't expect, cause they're gonna be sold out from all the obvious places. But then you'll see at a random like Barnes and Noble and be like, ah, I'm gonna buy a Switch 2 today.

• 13:52David Imel?

  I really, I wanna, I wanna hold it. That's the annoying thing. I would, I would like to actually hold it and see how it feels and see if I, cause I have an OLED, I have a Switch OLED. So I would like to be like, is this worth the higher refresh rate, better build quality for a different type of screen?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is interesting. So I, when I went to my hands on, came directly from my regular Switch, non OLED to this.

• 14:16David Imel?

  I mean, that's a huge-

• 14:16Speaker 01

  And it was a night and day difference.

• 14:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Much bigger screen, higher refresh rate and all that. But I could distinctly tell it was not an OLED.

• 14:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  And I kind of feel like coming from a Switch OLED, I would be in the same place as you. I would be less likely to jump.

• 14:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Fast.

• 14:31David Imel?

  The OLED has a bigger screen. It has small, much smaller bezels. It is a little bit thinner. It has way better build quality.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Battery.

• 14:39David Imel?

  It's got a way, it's a bigger battery that lasts longer. It's got a way better kickstand that arguably, I mean, I have not touched the new kickstand, but it seems better than the, than the Switch 2 kickstand.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  I think they're both just as good as far as like full width and like range of motion and they just hold in place.

• 14:53David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah. So, so the big things for me are like, I mean, I don't use my Switch that often. So I, I probably shouldn't be one of the day, you know? That's just like launching into the consumerism for no reason.

• 15:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I ask, you say you want to hold it. I haven't been to the electronics department in a store in a long time, but do they still do the like?

• 15:11David Imel?

  Not yet.

• 15:12Andrew Manganelli?

  They, they, well, not yet, but I'm saying, will they do it like?

• 15:14David Imel?

  Tethered.

• 15:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Do they still have the like tethered console where you have to look like eight feet up in the air and crack your neck just to watch it?

• 15:21David Imel?

  I don't think they do that in like Best Buy.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  I think you were just a child.

• 15:25Andrew Manganelli?

  But it was, the TV was always on the top of the display with everything.

• 15:29David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:30Andrew Manganelli?

  So like even now would be above my head. It would, it's like the pinnacle of that subreddit of like TVs too high.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Okay, but if you find that, let me know. Because I'm curious if it actually is too high or if you just remember it.

• 15:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's both.

• 15:43David Imel?

  I, I think, cause it was angled down. I remember that. So even as an adult, you have to do kind of like this.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  I think they'll probably have, well, the Joy-Cons, if they can have that same tethered setup, cause in the hands-on area, they had tethered, uh, Switch 2s and you could not remove the Joy-Con. So everything was like kind of locked in. If they could do that in a store, I think they would.

• 16:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you go to the Nintendo store in Manhattan, they have them available for you to try.

• 16:06David Imel?

  Wait, really? Switch 2s?

• 16:07Speaker 05

  Well, when I was there, it was the other Switch, but everything is completely tethered.

• 16:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you think with it, like, okay, let's say these leaks are true or these rumors are true, that it does pre-orders come out next week?

• 16:16David Imel?

  And they're the same price?

• 16:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Do we think it's the same price or do we think it changed? Cause that feels, it was weird that it got delayed, but this isn't that delayed off the riff. So like, is that enough time to find a new price for it? Especially when.

• 16:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Everything's moving all over the place. I kind of feel like it's still gonna be $4.99.

• 16:32David Imel?

  I think it is gonna stay the same price because, one, Nintendo already has a bunch in the United States, they said. Two, they are, I heard they were allocating like, so they, they produce a number of them in China and a number of them in Vietnam. And I heard that they had just, the Vietnam tariffs got basically cut down to just the base 10%. And I think, I heard that they are going to be using basically all of the ones in Vietnam for the United States because of this whole situation. So I don't think that they would up the price. And then also, I think they're like, okay, we have enough allocation for the first wave of people that want them. And all of this will probably be settled by June, maybe, hopefully.

• 17:17David Imel?

  I don't know. We'll see.

• 17:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, I think that's a fair thing. If I had to guess anything, pre-orders come out same price. Where we see the difference is like a huge delay in first wave to like second wave of like getting them in stores.

• 17:32David Imel?

  Like two to three months.

• 17:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see a really, really hard to get these if you missed the pre-order.

• 17:36David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, other tariff news.

• 17:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, other update that might be related.

• 17:41David Imel?

  Which is almost definitely, but not, allegedly, according to me. The OnePlus Watch 3, which we talked about, it's a very good watch. A lot of people really liked it and it was at a pretty good price.

• 17:57David Imel?

  Remember, it had, 329, which is a very good price. It had a misprint on the back where it said "Made in China" instead of "Made in China." In tiny, fine print that you had to go check to see. Yeah, and people called it out and OnePlus freaked out and decided to, yeah. It's me, people. Hi. Oh, yeah, true.

• 18:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to be at fault for what they did to it.

• 18:21David Imel?

  Look, I put it out there. They they took it off shelves and they had a delay and they were like, actually, this is gonna ship in April. I was like, okay, uh, now it's shipping again and now it's $500. So it went up $170, which is like 50% price increase. Many reporters have been asking, what's the deal? What's the deal with the tariffs? And uh, and OnePlus is just not, not, not answering at all. So they're not, they're not saying we're raising the price because of tariffs, we're doing this, this, this. They're just like, it's $500 now, guys. And it's a very good Wear OS watch. I don't know if it's a $500 Wear OS watch, but 329, it was a super good Wear OS watch.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Fascinating.

• 19:07David Imel?

  So that's, that's a fun tariff story.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  So maybe, so there's like three possibilities here of, of what I'm imagining could have happened. One is the tariffs affecting the price and then they're just accounting for that in the new price.

• 19:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Two is it went on sale and it didn't sell as well as they expected. And so when they took it down and brought it back, they're bringing it back in lower volume and therefore a higher individual unit cost and therefore are pricing that in. Or possibility number three, it was crushing and tons of people were buying them at 329, couldn't keep it on the shelf. And so while they did take it off the shelf to fix the typo, they brought it back and increased the price.

• 19:50David Imel?

  To control supply.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  To account for that supply and demand.

• 19:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you think there's an option of it's selling exactly the same, but to make up for the cost of presumably thousands of watches? That can't be sold anymore because of the typo.

• 20:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:06Andrew Manganelli?

  This is to recuperate cost a bit.

• 20:08David Imel?

  My question also becomes, did they just replace the bottom plate? Or did they throw away all the watches they made and then just make new ones?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  They're all boxed and everything. It's manufactured, assembled, boxed, packaged, sealed, probably wholesale shipped already.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  I don't know what happens to this.

• 20:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I 100% would have kept it. I would have thought that was funny and a cooler watch.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I did keep it.

• 20:30Andrew Manganelli?

  You did keep it, right?

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm wondering if any of our listeners are someone who said, I want to return this and get the... I forget, did they promise you'll get a new watch at the price you paid already? Or did you get your refund and could order it again? Because if I saw, oh my gosh, now I have to spend 50% more just to have two letters switched around, I would be pretty upset.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Especially that they're underneath, they're touching your skin all the time. You literally can't even see it.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I believe they made up for it with customers.

• 20:59David Imel?

  Uh, yeah, OnePlus says they can get a free replacement if they receive the meta version and are bothered with it. I want to talk about one more micro story before we take a break. TikTok is getting its own version of community notes in the US. So these are called footnotes and you can apply to be a footnotes contributor, where you effectively leave little community notes on the platform. Probably good. I mean, this is one thing that I think Twitter has done well. It's like the only thing that they have added to the media ecosystem, even though it gave Meta an ability to just not do any fact checking and say, we're just going to do community notes instead.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  And they won't accept me as a community notes author.

• 21:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  I've applied like six times.

• 21:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Second best thing Twitter's ever done.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 21:45David Imel?

  There is a lot of misinformation spread around on TikTok. Notably, one of my therapists told me that there is way too much fake therapy stuff that gets spread on TikTok from people who are not licensed and don't know what they're talking about.

• 22:01David Imel?

  So it's probably good that people, you know, can go in and actually fact check things, especially because people just share things that they see all the time without doing any research on them.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  It is a big challenge. Like I, my experience with community notes is not heavy, but I remember like Wikipedia has, you know, has a similar system where people can edit things that they see incorrect and then like add citations, things like that. And that, even that is incorrect all the time and needs more citation and people kind of just edit things that aren't necessarily true.

• 22:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  I would know. And so... Twitter and social media is like a real time version of that where everyone is fact checking everyone and things are swaying back and forth, oftentimes both wrong. And it's hard to, it's hard to have a correct solution for all of this.

• 22:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  And I think companies like TikTok and Twitter have identified this as probably the cheapest way of having fact checking on their site, but it's not necessarily the most accurate thing.

• 23:00David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. A way that they're trying to get that accuracy up is that basically you can leave a footnote and then other people can vote on whether or not that footnote was helpful. So it's like there's a fact checker person that's fact checking and then other people have to fact check the fact checker.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:15David Imel?

  To make sure that you're not just like spreading misinformation for fun.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Which is a good idea, but it's still just a popularity contest.

• 23:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Until everyone wants to spread misinformation for fun.

• 23:24David Imel?

  That's true, which, you know, if we know anything about the internet.

• 23:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 23:27David Imel?

  People do love doing that.

• 23:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm interested in, the only screenshot they show is the page to become a footnote contributor. I want to know where this pops up.

• 23:35David Imel?

  Like what?

• 23:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Video, like, is there something that comes up at the bottom? Like, there may be inaccurate information. Is this in the comment section, which is nice, but also like,

• 23:44Speaker 01

  I think that's true with the content.

• 23:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like 80% of the people watching a TikTok don't go into the comments and TikTok comments mostly never have anything to do with the actual.

• 23:53David Imel?

  Really?

• 23:54Andrew Manganelli?

  It's been a while since I've been there, but every time I would like watch a video and want to know something more about it and see the comments, it would just be like, I don't understand this. What's going on? And like 50 comments just making fun of the person for not understanding.

• 24:05David Imel?

  That's interesting.

• 24:06Speaker 05

  I could be wrong, so we can cut this, but I think Harper was talking about how the TikTok comment section is like dynamic. And so the comments you see might not be the same as the comments someone else sees.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  That's true about a lot, yeah.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. So I don't know if the footnotes will be, you know, available to everyone. I don't really know how that'll be different, but.

• 24:23David Imel?

  Well, it says after it meets the standard of helpful, it will be visible to the community.

• 24:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. So like Twitter, you know, it almost like quote tweets itself, right? And puts a community note on the bottom. But in videos where there's not a lot of text, there's a description that's usually cut off, where would this pop up?

• 24:42Speaker 01

  It's a good question.

• 24:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Like on the video, or do you have to go into the comments or to the description to see it?

• 24:46Speaker 01

  Well, anyway, we do have a lot more to talk about, but we should take a quick break. So let's do trivia.

• 24:51David Imel?

  I was thinking, on that note, because like a community note.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a.

• 24:56Andrew Manganelli?

  That's pretty good.

• 24:57David Imel?

  No, on that footnote, thank you.

• 24:59Speaker 04

  So guys, we talked about Beats cables earlier in this episode. And I thought this story was so funny because one of the big selling points of Beats back in the day, first wave Beats, was that their cables came from what audio file oriented cable supplier?

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Uh, I remember old Beats.

• 25:22David Imel?

  You said.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Old Beats were.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  These were, this was advertised. This was like, hey, Beats headphones use cables.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  I think I might have, I have an idea. I made a video about this. Maybe not entirely about it, but I definitely have mentioned it.

• 25:36David Imel?

  The truth about Beats by Dre.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did a video.

• 25:39Andrew Manganelli?

  You've been doing Beats on and off for years.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of Beats coverage over the years. Okay. Well, hopefully I'm remembering correctly.

• 25:45David Imel?

  That's the first video I ever saw from you, by the way.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 25:47David Imel?

  The truth about Beats by Dre.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  The truth about Beats by Dre.

• 25:49David Imel?

  It went viral on Reddit. I was sitting in my friend's.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  It was the top of Reddit. I remember that.

• 25:53David Imel?

  I was sitting on my friend's couch that I was living in at the time and.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Where were you when it dropped?

• 25:59David Imel?

  I remember, I literally, I, it's burned into my memory. I don't really know why. Anyway.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Incredible. Okay. Well, we'll think about that one. The answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right back.

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• 28:03Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, welcome back. We're going to talk about everyone's favorite company. What? Beats by Dre. Again?

• 28:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Meta. Not Meta in China, Meta, the company. Wow, we're doing segues everywhere in this. I don't know if it's a segue if it's this far after that. I count it. I'll call it probably Facebook for most of this because a lot of what we're going to talk about is in the Facebook days. Which is so funny. It is. They're in the midst of an antitrust lawsuit in the US. In fact, this week, Mark Zuckerberg is taking the stand to defend himself and his Meta company against the FTC. And we're quickly going to talk about it because it really reminds me of when we talked about the Google antitrust case. But if you want like the real in-depth, live coverage of it, Lauren Feiner at The Verge is always the one who's down in DC covering all of these cases. And I'll link it in the description, but she has this great page that's just like pretty much everything about this in order. And if

• 28:56Andrew Manganelli?

  you Really want to dive into it. She's the one to go to, but um, so what they're going over right now in the court case is if Meta Facebook was creating scenarios where they stifle competition versus Facebook and you know, antitrust monopoly. Um, so the two main things it seems that they're focusing on is purchasing Instagram, which they did for a billion dollars in 2012, and also purchasing WhatsApp for $19 billion in 2014. What we're discovering during this time is a bunch of leaked emails, which is always the fun part of these cases. And a lot of them seem to be done, or a lot of the things we're seeing is that these purchases were made to quote unquote, neutralize the competition because at the time when they bought Instagram,

• 29:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Facebook was working on a camera app and they were doing a lot of photo stuff and Mark Zuckerberg in an email just said it'd be better to buy them. Um, in fact, there's an email in 2008 that has been referenced a bunch of times already this week where he literally just says it's better to buy than to compete, which I feel like that quote in an antitrust lawsuit case is pretty damning.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Pretty straightforward. I, okay, yeah, I, my take on this, it feels like we have one of these cases like every year.

• 30:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Indeed.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, we do. Is the, I've definitely said this in videos before, but companies this big always, whenever they make any public facing decision, especially acquiring a company, but any product decision, they always will be ready with a public facing reason and a behind the scenes reason for why they're doing it.

• 30:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  And both can be true at the same time.

• 30:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Right.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  So I don't know, for if you're, if you're Apple and you're removing the headphone jack, for example, universally, everyone's like, wow, they're doing that to just like, you know, charge wireless, you know, charge for wireless headphones, but also upfront, they're saying courage and they're saying things like more room inside the phone, et cetera. Both can be true at the same time. But you know, you might feel a certain way about one of those reasons. This is like, we are seeing very blatantly the behind the scenes reason for Facebook acquiring Instagram. Uh, it's better to buy than to compete. Okay. Well, there it is. But also the public reason is things like, oh, there's so much competition in the video space and they do well with video and we're never going to be as big as YouTube, but this is our chance at being YouTube's competition, whatever. They're all true at the same time.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  It's kind of like, uh, Ellis might appreciate this. SGA deserves MVP this year. He deserves it. He's on a 68-win team, historically good. He's led the league in points. He lead, I think he's top three in steals. He's an incredible defender. He's just having a historically good, leading campaign on a very young team. Best player, best team. He deserves MVP. Okay, I like that argument. Jokic deserves MVP this year. He's averaging a triple-double. He's had a historic statistical season. His on-off splits are ridiculous. Without him, the Nuggets are a basement-dollar team. He had a 60, like, 2010 game or something crazy this year. Like, he clearly deserves MVP.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Can I ask which one's the monopoly in this analogy? I'm saying both are true at the same time. What is SVG? SG, I did, I thought it was an audio company. Well, I thought that's what you said. SGA. SGA is NBA player. The MVP? He, so. Wait, he's a player? He's not an actor? Okay, back up, back up, rewind. The NBA season just ended this week. Oh, really? And at the end of the regular season. Did someone win? Well, it's the regular season. Then the playoffs are gonna start and all the best teams will compete for the championship. But the regular season is over. Okay. And once the regular season is over, all of the voting for the regular season awards happens. So about 100 media members, coaches, et cetera, get ballots and get to officially cast ballots to vote for who they think should win each award. One of them is the MVP.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Okay. And this regular season has been one of the tightest MVP races ever because typically, there's kind of one runaway historic, like, this guy had an amazing year. Give him the MVP, I don't want anybody else considered. Somebody else might get a few, a few votes here and there, but it's gotta be this one person. Right. This year, there are two players who, if you ask those teams' fanbases, this guy deserves it. I don't wanna hear it about anyone else. And that is Shay Gildes Alexander for the Oklahoma City Thunder. And that is Nikola Jokic on the Denver Nuggets. Who did, who is the guy that did the thing where he did the multiple things that's hard to do at the same time? I was telling you about the 30-20-20 game. Yeah, we talked about that. That was Jokic this year. He had a couple historic games like that. So it should be him, right?

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Historically great player and. And he deserves it.

• 33:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:35David Imel?

  He deserves it.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  I guess my, my tangent here is just to get back on track is, uh, both things are true at the same time. And even though I might like one of the arguments more than the other, you can kind of just assume they are both true.

• 33:49David Imel?

  And that's what court is for.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. So court's gonna decide, court's gonna decide if one of those reasons is unfair or more true than the other, or you know, whatever. So that's, I think they will find that yes, there were anti-competitive motivations behind a lot of those things. What do they decide to do about it?

• 34:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the super TLDR version is, yeah, they're, you know, the FCC is trying to prove that they're taking up, you know, they're, they've got way too much of a monopoly in the social media space, especially with buying those two. And, and it's weird because back then it was kind of a stifling neutralism. Now that's weird to say because WhatsApp and Instagram are like two of the largest social media apps, but it's still all owned by Meta with Facebook.

• 34:25David Imel?

  I mean, Meta's thing has always been, let us buy you or we will destroy you. That has literally been, that's always been their thing.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Here's a question though, when they bought Instagram, it wasn't nearly as monopoly-ish and massive. And now it is, and they've grown into this thing and kind of similar with WhatsApp. It was huge already, but now it's even bigger.

• 34:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  And so are, are they more like punishing for successful growth of those companies? Or were they buying their way into a guaranteed monopoly back then?

• 34:55Andrew Manganelli?

  What could happen here though, which is why I think it's similar to remember when the Google antitrust one, they might have to get rid of Chrome.

• 35:01David Imel?

  Which is still possible.

• 35:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It's still possible.

• 35:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Andrew Manganelli?

  This could end in the sense of Meta getting rid of, or having to, having to get rid of WhatsApp or Instagram.

• 35:09David Imel?

  Yeah. Which is also ironic because there was another email that surfaced where Zuck said, maybe we should spin off Instagram into a separate company. Because historically companies that are separate from the giant companies actually grow more and do better. Um, and he had said that a number of years ago in an email, and now he is defending why they shouldn't have to do that.

• 35:32Andrew Manganelli?

  This is litigation between a government and a company worth hundreds of billions of dollars. So who knows when we'll see a result from this, but I think it was interesting to bring up because we covered the Google stuff. And again, there's lots of other reporters.

• 35:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Dealing with government processes and court cases like this that get really deep into it.

• 35:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 35:52Andrew Manganelli?

  And I highly suggest following them.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, can I, can I throw to an article that I thought was really, really good about this exact topic?

• 35:58David Imel?

  Sure.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Please. It's a Wall Street Journal article called Inside Mark Zuckerberg's Failed Negotiations to End Antitrust Case. It's in the Wall Street Journal. It was written by Dana Mattioli, Rebecca Ballhaus, and Josh Dossi. And there is one really baller quote in it from former Secretary, not Secretary, former head of the FTC, Lena Kahn. And that is, "Mark bought his way out of competing, so I'm not surprised that he thinks he can buy his way out of law enforcement, too."

• 36:28David Imel?

  Damn.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Bar. Also, you know, I was thinking about just like Meta's whole thing being like, what do you mean we're anti-competitive? Like, we're just doing business stuff. And I think two sort of unrelated things that point to like, okay, bro, is, I don't know if you remember all those news stories in Wall Street Journal and also weirdly in like New York Post about Meta engineers in 2022 and 2023 being hired and explicitly told to do nothing so that they couldn't work at other companies.

• 36:58David Imel?

  I mean, every, yeah, every company.

• 37:00Andrew Manganelli?

  That's like a huge joke in the Silicon Valley show.

• 37:02Speaker 04

  It is, but also like, come on. And then also, if you go to Evan Spiegel, CEO of Snapchat's LinkedIn, his bio says, VP of Product at Meta.

• 37:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  Because they just steal so many of Snap's sites.

• 37:17David Imel?

  It is very funny. He did that a few weeks ago, yeah. Anyway, like we said, there are many better reporters than us covering the story in real time, so you should go check them out.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, like that Wall Street Journal article.

• 37:27David Imel?

  Shout out to that article and also Lauren and Fighting at the Verge. They have a live blog, literally just in real time detailing what's happening at the trial, so you can go check that out.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Speaking of competition.

• 37:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  So.

• 37:39Andrew Manganelli?

  We got their ventures.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Chipolo has launched.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Chipolo, massive tech company, Chipolo.

• 37:44David Imel?

  Well, I guess this ties into Google or Apple.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  So competition for air tags and other Find My devices. Chipolo has famously made a couple of products in this category, but they are launching PopTags, which support both.

• 37:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 37:57David Imel?

  Google's Find My Network.

• 37:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 37:59David Imel?

  And Apple's Find My Network.

• 38:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 38:01David Imel?

  In the same product.

• 38:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is very cool.

• 38:03David Imel?

  They previously sold different devices, different tags that supported one or the other that you could buy.

• 38:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Right.

• 38:09David Imel?

  Um, and notably, Chipotle was sort of the first company to adopt Find My after the whole Tile v Apple situation that we made a video about called, uh, Apple versus the paradox of choice.

• 38:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:21David Imel?

  And, uh, now they are supporting both Find My device from Google and Apple Find My, which is very cool. So you could only use one or the other at a time. So, you know, you-

• 38:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Pick one.

• 38:32David Imel?

  Yeah, you can't like have your iPhone connected to this tag and also have your friend's or your spouse's Android phone connected to the tag at the same time.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  Wait, let's, let's make it simpler. Marquez has both an iPhone and an Android phone.

• 38:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  This Chipotle pop tag could not be findable by both phones.

• 38:49David Imel?

  By both phones.

• 38:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  For some reason.

• 38:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 38:52David Imel?

  Like, Apple does support multiple people having access to the same Find My device, uh, object through iOS 18 or whatever. But yeah, you can't be using an Android phone and an, and an iPhone and be using it for both networks.

• 39:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Here's my question. Do you, do you have to choose which network it's on?

• 39:09David Imel?

  It uses both. It has the technology for both. When you set it up for one, it cannot be set up for the other at the same time.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  But what Andrew's asking is if you put it on the Find, Apple's Find My Network.

• 39:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  And then you take, you lose your keys in a country solely with Android devices and no Apple devices.

• 39:26David Imel?

  You goofed.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  Will you not be able to-

• 39:28David Imel?

  No.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  See the location?

• 39:29David Imel?

  No.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Well-

• 39:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, so it only uses one of those networks at a time?

• 39:32David Imel?

  At a time, yeah.

• 39:33Andrew Manganelli?

  But, well, here's my question. I have an Android phone. I can use the Chipotle app on my Android phone, but I want the chip to connect to the Find My Network in the US because there's more iPhones.

• 39:43David Imel?

  I don't even do that.

• 39:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 39:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:45Andrew Manganelli?

  This sucks.

• 39:46David Imel?

  It probably has to do with a radio thing because they're pinging devices all the time. And if it was pinging two sets of radio frequencies all the time, it would die much faster.

• 39:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 39:56David Imel?

  I guess.

• 39:57Andrew Manganelli?

  It doesn't suck.

• 39:58David Imel?

  I don't know.

• 39:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 39:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:58Andrew Manganelli?

  It's still cool. This would be- Cream of the crop. If it could hit both, if it could hit both, or I could pick which one.

• 40:06David Imel?

  I'm guessing that's against the terms of service to at least one of them. Which seems a bit competitive.

• 40:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, right. Remember that?

• 40:13David Imel?

  Yeah. So there's, yeah. Remember the lawsuit, Google? Yeah, so there's, there's other benefits to this. They extended the Wi-Fi range, so it used to be 200 feet on their previous tags is now 300 feet, which is very cool. You can also use them as camera shutters, which is interesting. I think that's why they called them Chipotle Pops, because I think that they have like a button.

• 40:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, that's awesome.

• 40:33David Imel?

  Which is dope.

• 40:34Andrew Manganelli?

  That is really dope.

• 40:35David Imel?

  So they have a little more functionality than, than just an AirTag. And it also has IP55, water and dust resistance. And it comes in multiple colors. It comes in like these bright neon type colors, like yellow and green and red, which should be easier to see with your eyes, which would be nice. So anyway, I think this is kind of nice for people who are thinking of maybe eventually switching to a different mobile phone. Yeah, which is kind of nice. And also, um, you know, maybe they're probably more likely to go on like bigger sale than AirTags are, because Apple devices don't go on super sale that often, so.

• 41:13Speaker 05

  This is the perfect device for Adam, because he's constantly switching between devices.

• 41:17David Imel?

  That's true. Adam switches from Android to iOS like every other week, so this is perfect for him. I want to listen to this like, yes, this is, this is my thing.

• 41:24Andrew Manganelli?

  How many times do you think he's changed since he's been on vacation?

• 41:27Speaker 05

  At least twice.

• 41:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Probably.

• 41:28Speaker 05

  It's been like two days.

• 41:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Over under 2.5, for sure.

• 41:30David Imel?

  Yeah. Uh, they also have a replaceable CR2032 cell battery that lasts about a year. That is, I think, the same battery that the AirTag uses, so it's nice that you can do that. Yeah, I think that's pretty, pretty sick. Moving on. Speaking of networks. Oh. Well done, Ellis. Very nice. That was good. Find my AI-generated social network. You know what the worst part about social media is? Everything? Yeah. There's a bunch, there's a.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  There's a bunch of people there.

• 42:01David Imel?

  Yeah, that is the problem.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know what I wish was there?

• 42:04David Imel?

  No one.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  Slop.

• 42:06David Imel?

  The Verge is reporting that OpenAI is building its own X-like social media network. That's fun. The network is reportedly focused around ChatGPT's image generation with a social feed. It is currently unclear whether or not it will be built into ChatGPT or it will be a separate product. They just know it's in the early stages and is in development, which is weird and interesting and funny. There are a few different reasons they might be doing this. Obviously, just like X does, you can just keep collecting data and you can keep adding training data to your systems.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  That only you have.

• 42:42David Imel?

  That only you have. So if OpenAI themselves creates a social network that people post on a bunch, they can just use that information to train more.

• 42:50Speaker 04

  I'm sorry to cut you off, but if if someone harvests data for training purposes from the social media platform and OpenAI is like, hey, that's ours. That is going to, ooh, that is gonna make my blood boil.

• 43:03David Imel?

  It would be really funny. The other things, they said it was like focused around image generation. We talked about last week, I believe, all of the, or maybe it was two weeks ago. Everyone was getting on the train of making their own AI-generated avatars using Studio Ghibli prompts. So I imagine OpenAI is like, oh, they also recently announced the infinite context window for ChatGPT, where it remembers literally everything you ever talked to it about. So I could imagine that maybe it will suggest social media posts that you could make based on things that you've been doing, which is just bad. I just really, it's kind of, it reminds me of LinkedIn. You know, when someone like changes a job on LinkedIn, there's a button that just says, congratulations.

• 43:48David Imel?

  Or on Facebook, if you go on, it's like, wish this person a happy birthday. And there's a button that says like, happy birthday, Ellis.

• 43:54Speaker 05

  It's funny you mentioned LinkedIn because I was reading something the other day, like an old article, talking about how over 50% or some. Considerably large amount of posts are already AI on LinkedIn.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Oh, my.

• 44:05Speaker 05

  So we already have an AI social media network just waiting for us.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  It's there. We're just burning down the world, creating a network of information that nobody reads.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  I think Twitter, a lot of like third-party sources estimate is even higher than 50% of posts on Twitter are from AI or bots.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  I see a lot of AI generated. I'll see it like I'll post a video on on Twitter or post something and within two seconds get a reply saying, "Great video about the A, B, C, D, E, F, and G," because the AI summary just like auto detected and auto replied in two seconds. That's that's all over. Speaking of, uh.

• 44:45Andrew Manganelli?

  The ultimate segue.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  You didn't give me enough time. Sam Altman might be the new social media head honcho around these parts. Obviously, when slash if that drops, it's going to get a lot of buzz, a lot of coverage. But not every social media startup gets that much coverage. So I have before me four real social media platforms that might be flying under the radar. They are all real. They are all real. Instead of having you guess which one is fake like I normally do, I want you to tell me which of these is the oldest.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Which one has been around for the longest time? Are you ready to hear them?

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  A, No Place, a mashup of Twitter and MySpace for Gen Z. B, 1010, a walkie-talkie app, sort of like if Snapchat was focused on voice messages. C, AirChat, another audio-focused social media network described as a combination of Twitter and Clubhouse, which is weird because Clubhouse is baked into Twitter now. And D, and I really hope I'm saying this right, Jaggot, J-A-G-A-T, Jaggot, a location-based social media platform for real-time tracking.

• 46:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Remember when Clubhouse got offered a billion dollars and didn't take it?

• 46:09Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  I have lots of memories of failed social networks from Last year. From Google Buzz. T2. To T2. T2, baby. We'll think about this one. Answers at the end. Be right back.

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• 48:36Speaker 04

  Welcome back. Uh, we are going to wrap up today's podcast with a little game. Just almost fell out of my chair.

• 48:44Andrew Manganelli?

  You're so excited.

• 48:45Speaker 04

  I'm so stoked. Um, yeah, so this is a new thing. We like to try new things here. And this game was recommended to us by someone on Twitter. Uh, the username M100X. So thank you for recommending this game, uh, because it seems like it's going to be really fun. So the way this is going to work, I am going to name a popular product or service in the technology sphere with a catch, a catch that does not exist in real life. Feel free to ask me any questions about any of these hypothetical scenarios, and I will clear it up. You guys, upon hearing each one of these hypothetical product services with a catch, will make a blind ranking of one through 10.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  This means you will not know what is coming later. It could be better, it could be worse, uh, but you will still need to rank it. And hopefully at the end, we have a hilarious list of ranked, number one being, this is fine, and I would use this, number 10 being, dear God, uh, of good tech services and products.

• 49:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I think as a baseline between the three of us, on a rating of one through 10, how much do we trust Ellis? He is the one feeding it to us in this order. So if we're all on the same page.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  A banger for the last one.

• 50:02David Imel?

  Second to last one.

• 50:03Andrew Manganelli?

  A banger as in good?

• 50:04Speaker 01

  We don't know if it's best or worst.

• 50:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so it's a banger.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:08David Imel?

  He probably saved it for the second to last one.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:10David Imel?

  Because, because we would think that he'd save it.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Let's keep that one in 10 spot open.

• 50:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Awesome. We all distrust Ellis, and that's exactly where I wanted to get to.

• 50:18Speaker 04

  Uh, let's start off with something. A little easy. Google Maps works exactly the same as it does in real life, but you cannot complete a trip without picking someone up along the way. And if you think you can get around it, Google Maps will reroute you until you have picked someone up.

• 50:39David Imel?

  Like a stranger?

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Could be a friend, it could be a stranger, it doesn't really matter, but you can't do the trip alone.

• 50:45David Imel?

  When you're driving?

• 50:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this only applies to driving trips. And cycling trips.

• 50:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Get on my spokes. Stranger, you need pegs on your bike.

• 50:57David Imel?

  This has gotta be low.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  I feel like I could get around that. I feel like I could have someone waiting for me at each destination and then just pick them up right before the destination. And that's my pickup.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Carpools are accepted forms of picking someone up. What do you mean?

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Like, like if you have someone come to your house and do the entire trip.

• 51:17David Imel?

  So basically you just never drive alone?

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.

• 51:20David Imel?

  That is good for the planet.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  That's a ten for me.

• 51:23Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like the worst thing ever. No, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I think this, you know, if it's in the city, I think this is a much more obtainable thing and a lot easier.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  But if you're in the city, you don't even need Google Maps, you just go by street numbers. If I'm using maps, I'm like going somewhere I don't know.

• 51:37David Imel?

  Man, I'm taking a subway everywhere.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  This is just public transit, guys, right?

• 51:40David Imel?

  Well, yeah, but you don't have to be in a, in an enclosed, small environment. Well, yes, you do, but there's a lot of people, you know?

• 51:48Speaker 04

  It can be a stranger, too.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Let's go six. Let's go six.

• 51:53Speaker 04

  Six? Are we, are we in agreement there?

• 51:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I think my thing is, is like, I do maps on the way home every day, and Alex and I could carpool. That'd make perfect sense. It's going to like, who am I gonna pick up when I'm going to like, when I drove down to like, uh, the Smokey Mountains?

• 52:06David Imel?

  When I go to the tire shop, when I go get groceries. I mean, I don't need Google Maps every time, but like...

• 52:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It's gonna get annoying. You know, I like this. My sense of direction will explode. Yeah, I have a horrible sense of direction. I think six or seven.

• 52:18David Imel?

  I mostly only pick up Ellis when I'm driving here. And then if I use my car otherwise, I usually have a full car. So what happens if the car is full?

• 52:28Andrew Manganelli?

  That counts.

• 52:29David Imel?

  Oh, right, right, right. You don't have to pick up. Yeah, okay.

• 52:32Speaker 05

  This also implies at some point, you will go in a stranger's car.

• 52:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 05

  At some point.

• 52:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 52:38David Imel?

  Well.

• 52:38Andrew Manganelli?

  We do that all the time for Uber, right? Technically, yeah.

• 52:41David Imel?

  Yeah. Five?

• 52:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, five and six is close. I could get on board with.

• 52:46David Imel?

  Also, I think it's smarter to start in the center and move it.

• 52:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Agreed. Yeah.

• 52:50David Imel?

  All right.

• 52:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 52:50David Imel?

  We're going five.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  Number two, YouTube with all of its features, subscriptions, live streams, YouTube TV, YouTube, like, everything's the same. Except, in order to use it, you first have to crank a box, like one of those emergency flashlights.

• 53:06Andrew Manganelli?

  How long?

• 53:06Speaker 04

  You know what I'm talking about? One to one with watch time.

• 53:10David Imel?

  Is it hard to crank?

• 53:11Speaker 04

  Ah, it's the same resistance as one of those flashlights.

• 53:14David Imel?

  Is that a lot? That's hard, right?

• 53:15Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's not too bad.

• 53:16David Imel?

  It's not too bad?

• 53:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Honestly? Real time? One more question.

• 53:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:22Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're watching the video in 2X speed, do you have to crank for the video time of 1X or what you're watching at 2X?

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Amazing question. I'm gonna say you have to crank for the 1X.

• 53:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, David's screwed. David is gonna be jacked. Can't watch podcasts.

• 53:37David Imel?

  Why would just go to the gym, go on the treadmill, and then use the crank on the treadmill?

• 53:44Andrew Manganelli?

  And then when you're, so get a workout in and then go home and now you've got like an hour, an hour and a half of YouTube.

• 53:49David Imel?

  I've been being served these Instagram reels. It's so dangerous and you should not do it. Of people literally doing dead, like, deadlifts while running, sprinting on the treadmill.

• 53:59Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's like. Overhead press. Yo.

• 54:01David Imel?

  Overhead press while sprinting on treadmill.

• 54:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Deadlift would be the same.

• 54:03David Imel?

  Dangerous things you could do.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  That has big, like, face in Saratoga water energy.

• 54:08David Imel?

  Yeah, but that would be me with the box.

• 54:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, multitasking. I like this idea.

• 54:14David Imel?

  Right?

• 54:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I want more of a, yeah, it's payoff.

• 54:18David Imel?

  It's kind of like the.

• 54:18Andrew Manganelli?

  You guys don't watch as much YouTube as I do. I do, but one, maybe I would watch less. And two. It would, it would have a direct benefit to watching YouTube.

• 54:28David Imel?

  I feel like they should have this but for screen time on your phone. Don't get many ideas.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, should we? Maybe we just got the best started.

• 54:33David Imel?

  Million dollar product idea. Okay, I'm gonna put this on.

• 54:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm like two or three on this.

• 54:38David Imel?

  I would say.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  No, I can't be there.

• 54:41David Imel?

  Four, three, three, three, four, four.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  This, I can do four.

• 54:45Speaker 05

  What's your final answer?

• 54:46David Imel?

  I think seven.

• 54:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 54:48David Imel?

  Because you're always.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  That much worse than the Google Maps one?

• 54:51David Imel?

  For me, it's worse.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  You're gonna proactively, you're, no one's gonna proactively do it.

• 54:56Andrew Manganelli?

  So six, six?

• 54:58David Imel?

  I would say seven.

• 54:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Seven?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Which is.

• 55:00David Imel?

  I, I would go seven, just because you can't crank.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  Well, not really. A Nintendo Switch 2, but it is $2,700.

• 55:10David Imel?

  That's fine.

• 55:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not that far from reality.

• 55:12David Imel?

  I'm not gonna give it anyway. One, totally fine.

• 55:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Um. Um, can you Klarna it?

• 55:21Speaker 04

  You know, I.

• 55:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Straight up, or can I do a payment plan?

• 55:24David Imel?

  That's not real.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  Sure. Payment plan. Uh, no, I feel like this one needs some extras. They can get $2,700 all at once.

• 55:30Andrew Manganelli?

  All at once. Are games still the same price, which is?

• 55:33David Imel?

  Eighty dollars.

• 55:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Eighty dollars?

• 55:34David Imel?

  Games are of value if the Switch is $2,700.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:38David Imel?

  Um, I would not buy it, so where does that put it?

• 55:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would just take me from probably not gonna preorder to just, I'm not buying one.

• 55:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  It would take me from maybe, but to absolutely not, so.

• 55:49David Imel?

  So to me, that's like a, I'll put it at two just to be safe, but I don't have any problems.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Just so we're clear, the, you're ranking on with, on how much you would enjoy using it, which includes the purchasing of it.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Oh, so I'm forced into this?

• 56:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're ranking the desirability of actually purchasing this compared to the other torture I'm hypothetically subjecting you to.

• 56:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's, I feel like right now with the current games available is like, that's. So not worth it.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Would you rather?

• 56:16Andrew Manganelli?

  So mad.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  Would you rather spend $2,700 on a Switch? Or let a stranger join you on every car ride?

• 56:23David Imel?

  For the rest of your life.

• 56:24Andrew Manganelli?

  The only one using.

• 56:26David Imel?

  I'd rather spend the money on the Switch, dude.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, I'd probably rather have, if I have it. I'm hearing a three. It was a bad.

• 56:32David Imel?

  I would say two.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  It's just money.

• 56:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Two or three.

• 56:36David Imel?

  It's just money.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  Two?

• 56:38David Imel?

  It's a lot of money.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  This is a two. So this next one is Spotify. We all know Spotify. Excuse me, Spotify Premium.

• 56:44David Imel?

  Thank you.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  So you are paying the normal price for this, whatever it is now. Um, except they have disabled the ability to skip to the next song. You must listen to every song in its entirety. And every third song is this.

• 57:03David Imel?

  Oh, yeah. This is gonna ruin my life.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  This is royalty free. Yeah, I mean, we've already licensed it. Nice. And yes, Marquez, this does count on your cardio playlists.

• 57:17Andrew Manganelli?

  He's running full speed and then he's just like.

• 57:19Speaker 04

  This song is two and a half minutes long. It's not that bad.

• 57:22David Imel?

  That's like a pop song.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I gotta, I guess I'll mute it, but like, Jesus.

• 57:27David Imel?

  Um, I'm down.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  You wanna do that right now?

• 57:31David Imel?

  You know, I have a hot take. This would, the fact that you have to.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  Is this song?

• 57:36David Imel?

  I'm having trouble thinking.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  I think it's, there's a few bars of seven here and there, but it's a good catch. Can we turn it off? No, no, no, you, I've, we're gonna simulate this so you can really.

• 57:46David Imel?

  I'm having trouble thinking, but okay. Uh, I think that it would help people appreciate music more because they'd have to listen to like the full album again.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  They would never listen to a full album.

• 57:56David Imel?

  Why?

• 57:57Speaker 04

  Because you'd hear this like six, you know, like. You'd have to listen to the full song.

• 58:01David Imel?

  You'd hear this several times.

• 58:02Speaker 04

  It would, it's two songs, this song, two songs, this song.

• 58:05David Imel?

  Yeah, you could. You couldn't listen to an album cover to cover because you have to listen to this every time.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  Kind of making my skin crawl.

• 58:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Like six times.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  But I don't know. We are halfway through this.

• 58:18Andrew Manganelli?

  This.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Uh. I listen to Four. Hundreds of hours of music every, every month. It's, this is tough. Four?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  This is worse than the Google Maps one. Really? Yes. My two greatest things are like, I drive alone and with music. If you're gonna force me to do one or the other. This is brutal.

• 58:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just imagining the guy you pick up for your trip and this comes on and you're like, I'm so sorry.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Eight? You think it's an eight for you? For me, it's like a six.

• 58:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I would probably be on the hot, the top five part. Section, but.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't listen to that much music then. I could do it.

• 58:56Andrew Manganelli?

  No, but, but where it would really hit me hard is Lain is super particular about music that I turn on where she just starts screaming. No, no, no, no, no. She hates almost every song unless it's the Five Little Ducks song. And so she would just be in the backseat screaming.

• 59:10Speaker 05

  Oh, she's gonna learn to love this song.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  And you can't skip any other song. So if you put a different song on and it's not the right song, you oops, yeah, I have to listen to the whole song.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  Guys, the song is almost over, so I need a number in the next five seconds.

• 59:23Andrew Manganelli?

  What? Sorry. What do we have?

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Six.

• 59:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Six is open.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Six is open.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Six.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Six. All right. Up next, iMessage, but you are limited to one syllable words.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  That's money. That's a one.

• 59:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Have you ever played the game?

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Like, I am a cat. I am not a cat.

• 59:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Hi, Dave.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Dave.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  You take me to work.

• 59:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Have you played the game Poetry for Neanderthals?

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Now? Yeah.

• 59:48Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a game, yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  That is what this is based on. I am really good at that game.

• 59:52Andrew Manganelli?

  So this is a game based on where you have to try and explain something to someone, but if you use more than one syllable in one of the words, somebody has a blow up mallet next to you and you hit them in the head with it.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Oh, that's how I talk. That's how I talk.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  You pick me up in car?

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  That is so fine.

• 1:00:07Andrew Manganelli?

  What song this? Bad.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  You can just say, what song is this?

• 1:00:12Andrew Manganelli?

  This podcast would be awful if we could only talk in one syllable.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Why are we listening? Not really. Why are we here this again?

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  Why my ears no like?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Why we hear this now? I think this is fine.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  Okay, so one or two. Our two is already taken, so one or three.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  So it's just on iMessage?

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  Just on iMessage.

• 1:00:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh. Yeah.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  What can you send?

• 1:00:33Andrew Manganelli?

  The efficiency is through the roof.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35David Imel?

  That's a one.

• 1:00:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, one.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  I think that's great.

• 1:00:37Andrew Manganelli?

  What does Kevin say in the office? Why say more when?

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  When less words do good.

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, okay. Well, on that tip, Gmail.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  Exactly the same it is now, still free.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Gmail.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  And this one is actually inspired by one of MX100's suggestions. Gmail, except every 100 emails you get. There is a 50% chance that all of your communication records get deleted. So text messages, answering machine, all your emails across every email account.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:09David Imel?

  So they all get deleted every day because I get hundreds of emails a day.

• 1:01:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez would have 100% chance, pretty much, because of that. His inbox is just.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Sounds like this is not for him.

• 1:01:18David Imel?

  I've been playing too much Bellatro.

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  Do you get emails in Bellatro?

• 1:01:20David Imel?

  No, but there's just too many multipliers and chances and like.

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  Oh, you got statistics on the brain.

• 1:01:25David Imel?

  One in four chance that all.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  So just to get this straight, every 100 emails you receive.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  There is a coin flip.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  There is a coin flip of deleting all records of all of your communications across every service.

• 1:01:36David Imel?

  Wait, I thought it was a 1 in 100 chance.

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  It's every 100 emails.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  There is a 50% chance.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  And I will say, I'll give you this. All of your tweets stay up. All YouTube, like, all social channel posts remain intact.

• 1:01:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Public posts.

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  All private communications.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Get destroyed.

• 1:01:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny because of how many people younger than us use Snapchat to communicate where this basically just happens on purpose, but.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Fair enough, but you also have to talk to your accountant.

• 1:02:05David Imel?

  Well, okay, the benefit of this.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  You have to write everything down.

• 1:02:08David Imel?

  You'd have to, like, put things in your calendar immediately and like.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Which I do.

• 1:02:13David Imel?

  Yeah, it would help people stay more on top of it instead of relying on their email as a second brain. You know what I mean?

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  It would for sure ruin some things, but maybe it's manageable.

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  Think about how free you'd feel. This burden is lifted.

• 1:02:25David Imel?

  Honestly, yeah, I try to get to inbox zero like every six months. And if this just did it for me, I'm kind of down for that.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  I guess, yeah.

• 1:02:32David Imel?

  I like to reference it.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  The way around this would be anytime you ever get any communication with anything you need to see, like to save. Like someone sends you a concert ticket, you immediately have to save it just to make sure. If anyone sends you a date or an address, you have to save it somewhere else.

• 1:02:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Because all of your communication records are probably going to get deleted the next day.

• 1:02:49David Imel?

  I actually like that.

• 1:02:50Andrew Manganelli?

  The more I think about it, the Gmail search sucks so bad anyways, so I can barely go back 12 emails. So maybe it's not that much different.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Text messages.

• 1:02:57David Imel?

  They should just add this as a feature.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  I'm starting to think this isn't that bad. Yeah, I can, I kind of already save everything anyway.

• 1:03:03David Imel?

  We already used one and two, so let's use three. I think it would encourage people to, to actually be proactive about the things they get in their email. And I like that.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  So this next one is another coin flip one.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  It's a little different.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Stats.

• 1:03:18Speaker 04

  It's Venmo, but whether you are sending or receiving the given amount is decided by a coin flip.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  And.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  This applies to all users of Venmo, meaning if your plan is to be like, oh, if I accidentally send this to you, send it back.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  Coin flip.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  So if I have to.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  Potential to double or nothing.

• 1:03:38Andrew Manganelli?

  If I have to send Marcus $500, it flips a coin and he might have to send me $500.

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  You're saying my landlord could pay me.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, what the heck?

• 1:03:46David Imel?

  That's, that's interesting because I don't use Venmo that much, so it would be kind of funny. And I think I could work with that. If you're the one who's always paying other people to be the one that pays for things, like because of dinners and stuff, it's way in your favor. Because there's just a chance that you make money.

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  But if you're an opt recipient of Venmo transactions.

• 1:04:06David Imel?

  That would suck.

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  You could end up just owing people a lot of money.

• 1:04:09David Imel?

  That you're already paying.

• 1:04:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I think this would, what's, what's the baseline of like the most expensive thing you've sent on Venmo?

• 1:04:16David Imel?

  Uh.

• 1:04:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't, mine's like $20 to $50.

• 1:04:19David Imel?

  I sent $5,000 on that.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Oh, I have a way this could potentially suck.

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  You are limited to $7,000 a week.

• 1:04:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  That's actual Venmo terms of service.

• 1:04:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just saying, like, in general, I'm mostly paying people back for, like, we got food.

• 1:04:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Here's my part of the bill.

• 1:04:32David Imel?

  Here's my burrito.

• 1:04:33Andrew Manganelli?

  So like, that'd be kind of fun every once in a while. Sometimes I get, sometimes I get a burrito and 50 bucks.

• 1:04:38David Imel?

  If you agree to it with your friends, I think it would be kind of fun.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that could be managed with reasonable amounts of money. My only thing is the tip jar on several social networks, including Twitter, is just a link to Venmo. So people could just constantly.

• 1:04:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Force you to pay them.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Flip a coin until you get money from people.

• 1:04:56David Imel?

  It would be better if it was PayPal and they took a transaction fee. And that way you would just be losing.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like I go, I see the tip jar, I go donate a dollar and I coin flip. I end up like having to pay a dollar. Okay, next one, $2. Coin flip, I paid again. Okay, $5. And you just keep going until eventually the coin flip is in your direction and you made money and then you leave.

• 1:05:18Andrew Manganelli?

  As someone who doesn't have to like pay rent through Venmo or anything.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm super into this, but I do think if there was somebody who was significantly like paying their roommate over hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, this would be like.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  I think this is a nap idea.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  If you were paying your roommate or paying your rent on Venmo, this would be a good thing because in theory, six months out of the year, you would get your rent paid back.

• 1:05:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, but if you're the person collecting or even the roommate who's the one collecting from the other roommate.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Then this becomes a very difficult proposition.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  It's only bad for the people that are actually owed money in real life.

• 1:05:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  It's potentially good for everyone else.

• 1:05:52David Imel?

  I guess that's a four.

• 1:05:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll go four on this. I could see how in situations where this could be like a 15th.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  All right. So guys, we have three left and nine and 10 is what you have available. I would like to take this moment to publicly apologize to Soren Iverson because I don't think I stole any of these ideas from you, but these are all very Soren Iverson coded things. So if I did accidentally have one of your hilarious tweets lodged so deep in my brain that I didn't realize I was stealing from you, I humbly apologize.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  And we can't move any of these around, right?

• 1:06:25Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Anyway, last three. Are you guys ready? All right. iPhone 16 Pro Max, everything is the same, but it gets really hot all the time. And I don't mean like too hot to touch, but like

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Too hot to handle.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  Pretty close.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  I think I can work with that.

• 1:06:46David Imel?

  Even if it's in your pocket?

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  All the time.

• 1:06:49David Imel?

  If you put it in a case, what happens?

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  It's just gonna melt the case. I'm okay with that.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Because my phone is either in my dash for navigating or in like a seat next to me or on my desk. I'm not really holding my phone that much. If I am.

• 1:07:02David Imel?

  What about when you're using it?

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Then I'm like, okay, it's hot and then I put it down. It's not too hot to touch.

• 1:07:08David Imel?

  But it's almost too hot.

• 1:07:09Speaker 04

  It's not, it's not like so hot that you touch it and you're like, ah, but like you would not want to be holding this thing for more than like

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Two minutes?

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  How long?

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  One minute?

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  30ish seconds.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  That's fine. That's fine.

• 1:07:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Do we know if it's

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  I put it up in a little stand.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  You know what I would compare it to?

• 1:07:23David Imel?

  A toaster.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  You ever made a quesadilla and you're like, I'm not getting a spatula out? It's not like I'm holding this quesadilla.

• 1:07:29David Imel?

  You're like whipping it over.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I would.

• 1:07:30David Imel?

  You whip it from the pan to the plate.

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, or you know, the flip. So quesadilla time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:37David Imel?

  I think I could work with that.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Do we know it's hot and safe? Or we don't know why it's getting that hot?

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  It's not gonna blow up. It's not gonna catch on fire.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  It's just hot.

• 1:07:47David Imel?

  I'm gonna say nine. We're only between eight, nine, 10, and I feel like it's safest.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  This one honestly, to me, is like three or four, so it's not that bad.

• 1:07:54David Imel?

  What? Just don't hold your phone.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  What about what's in your pocket? Don't put it in your pocket. Unfortunately are not available.

• 1:08:01David Imel?

  How are you gonna bring it anywhere with you?

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Put it in a bag, put it in a sweatshirt pocket, put it somewhere else. Gloves? As long as it's not touching you.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  Gloves? Yeah, excellent.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Or in the middle of summer. I mean, eight's our best option. I think that's an eight. That's fine.

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  Funny that really hot phone is somehow less desirable.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  I really think it's a nine, guys.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  No 50/50 coin flip. Ring doorbell.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  That doubles as one of those old school Amazon buy buttons.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  You can set it to whatever product you want, but it must be more than $15.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:08:34David Imel?

  And it is something that will be shipped to me.

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  Every time someone comes to your house and rings your doorbell. And it's not advertised. People don't know they're doing this to you.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 1:08:43David Imel?

  Okay, my doorbell almost never gets rung, so this is totally fine with me.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Mine's pretty rare.

• 1:08:48David Imel?

  Set it to something convenient.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  David lives in an apartment and the buzzer to his door, the front door of his building counts.

• 1:08:54David Imel?

  That's tough.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  Well, and like you can ring different apartments, but I have the first apartment on the first floor. And so when delivery people show up for not me, they always ring my apartment.

• 1:09:05David Imel?

  So you get a lot of buzzes every day?

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 1:09:07David Imel?

  So you're gonna be, that's kinda tough for you.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  What do you buy a lot of?

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  Guys, Halloween.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  I get one. Oh, no, no. Or two a year. Yeah. Halloween, you sit on the porch already. Yeah, put some candy out. Put some candy out. They're not gonna ring the doorbell.

• 1:09:20David Imel?

  Where I'm in Brooklyn, nobody knocks on my apartment door, so.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. There are ways around this.

• 1:09:25David Imel?

  Um.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  You put a little, uh, you put a little doorbell broken post-it and say knock instead or something.

• 1:09:30David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Something like that. So what do I need? Toilet paper for 15 bucks? Yeah, pick something you need once a month.

• 1:09:35David Imel?

  Yeah, but mine gets rung like once a day. Pick something you need.

• 1:09:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Kodak film?

• 1:09:41David Imel?

  We said there's a minimum value to the purchase?

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Fifteen dollars.

• 1:09:44David Imel?

  Fifteen dollars a day?

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  That's like a meal. Just have it like ship a dinner to you every day.

• 1:09:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Just DoorDash.

• 1:09:50David Imel?

  Delivery?

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Dinner waiting for you every day at home. It's not bad. Cause somebody rang your doorbell.

• 1:09:54David Imel?

  But Amazon?

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Amazon's new dinner.

• 1:09:56Speaker 05

  Whole Foods.

• 1:09:57David Imel?

  Amazon Fresh. Well, it's between nine and ten.

• 1:09:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:59David Imel?

  This is not as bad as some of the others. It's still gonna bankrupt me though. Let's be real.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Fifteen bucks a day.

• 1:10:04Andrew Manganelli?

  But you won't be hungry when you're getting bankrupt.

• 1:10:06David Imel?

  That's true. I'll say nine.

• 1:10:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Nine?

• 1:10:09David Imel?

  Yeah. I like how the one that we don't know, which could be like, it's your laptop, but every time you type on it, a puppy appears and you get to pet it. And we go like, this is the worst thing on the list.

• 1:10:19Andrew Manganelli?

  It's iMessage, but on Android. Ten, ten.

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  So I have one in reserve that I was thinking about being like, it's Books Palma 2, but it's a phone. Uh, but I, you know, I don't want to see that at the bottom of this list. I love Books Palma too much. So instead.

• 1:10:33David Imel?

  Books Palma 2 is not even different from the Books Palma.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  I will do this one.

• 1:10:35David Imel?

  Hot take.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Uber. Normal Uber. You are a passenger, not a driver in this scenario. Instead of music playing over the car's audio system, it is a LLM with generated speech, telling you and your driver about every embarrassing thing you have ever done. The whole ride is a, in fact, we'll say it's a celebrity of your choice narrating the worst moments of your life in front of a stranger.

• 1:11:04David Imel?

  We have to do ten because it's the only thing left, but I would do one.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:11:10David Imel?

  I really like telling strangers embarrassing facts about myself.

• 1:11:14Andrew Manganelli?

  No, do you want to hear the embarrassing facts about the stranger?

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no. That would only happen if you're the driver.

• 1:11:21David Imel?

  It's about you.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  It's always the pass, it's the, the AI is telling the driver about the passengers.

• 1:11:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  Embarrassing.

• 1:11:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought we were hearing both of them.

• 1:11:30David Imel?

  Then they wouldn't have to talk to me.

• 1:11:31Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 1:11:31David Imel?

  The AI.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  It's, it's.

• 1:11:33David Imel?

  You hear the first story, you're like, nah.

• 1:11:34Speaker 04

  You get in a stranger's car and are just immediately judged.

• 1:11:39David Imel?

  I love that. I would honestly give this a one.

• 1:11:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you remember the, you guys, didn't you guys have an Uber driver in Austin that said, "I'm not your typical Uber driver"? And then like, race to the hotel.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, went, got to the airport and we made our flight.

• 1:11:52David Imel?

  That's true.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  Mariah, would you be so kind as to read out our, uh,

• 1:12:00David Imel?

  List?

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Our, our, our list of winners.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  Wow, what a list we have here. We, we went through a journey together. By that, I mean, I witnessed a journey happen. So, number one on your list, we have the iMessage that only allows you to send one syllable messages.

• 1:12:16David Imel?

  That is fine.

• 1:12:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's a good spot.

• 1:12:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19David Imel?

  I can send one word message.

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  And number two on our list, we have the switch tube, but it's dummy expensive.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Tough.

• 1:12:28Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a tougher one.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 05

  And then third, you put the email, like, deletion gamble thing.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Just be proactive.

• 1:12:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Fine with that.

• 1:12:37Speaker 05

  And then number four, you guys settled on Venmo 50/50 coin toss, if you get paid or not.

• 1:12:42David Imel?

  I just think that's fun.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  It's just funny.

• 1:12:44David Imel?

  Yeah. I'm never gonna be the one that pays for dinner, though.

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  They could do that for April Fool's.

• 1:12:52Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be the best April Fool's text thing ever.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Global financial.

• 1:12:57Speaker 05

  But it's a prank, it's just a prank. Um, number five, you guys put the Google Maps Carpool Pickup.

• 1:13:01David Imel?

  That one should be a 10.

• 1:13:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Honestly, I think it should be lower.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  I'm anxious about it, for sure.

• 1:13:05Speaker 05

  That one really stressed you out.

• 1:13:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:08David Imel?

  Should be lower.

• 1:13:08Speaker 05

  Number six is the awful Spotify song.

• 1:13:12David Imel?

  That should also be really low.

• 1:13:14Speaker 04

  Why did we put that at six?

• 1:13:16David Imel?

  Dude, I thought it was gonna get worse.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  I'm the one that suggested that.

• 1:13:19David Imel?

  Those are the two worst ones. I suggested six. I regret my decision.

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  It's kinda growing on me.

• 1:13:24David Imel?

  It won't.

• 1:13:25Speaker 05

  Number seven, you guys have the manual operated YouTube crank machine.

• 1:13:31David Imel?

  Maybe that should've been nine or 10, honestly.

• 1:13:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Then the really warm phone.

• 1:13:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, the number eight, you had the really warm iPhone, not too hot, just a little warm.

• 1:13:39David Imel?

  I mean, kinda hot, right?

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  Uh, and then number nine, the Ring camera that orders stuff from Amazon every time it's pressed.

• 1:13:45David Imel?

  That's also horrible, so I'm glad that's nine.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  And then number 10, you had the embarrassing AI Uber ride.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  I just did my like, okay, we did the blind rankings, that was fun. My actual order is number one, the expensive Switch 2, it's gonna sting, but it's a one-time thing. Number two is one-syllable iMessage, totally doable, I can, I can work with that. Number three, really warm phone, just put it down. Number four.

• 1:14:08David Imel?

  What, is it a discipline thing?

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  I, I only hold my phone for like typing things, like and scrolling. So I'll just scroll less and I'll just put it on a stand when I need to watch a video. I just don't need to hold my phone that much. Number four is the Gmail gambling deletion, just like low-key make me more proactive at saving things I need.

• 1:14:23David Imel?

  I like that, yeah.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  Number five, Venmo 50/50, that's starting to get kinda funny, but alright, interesting. Number six, embarrassing Uber LLM. I, you know, the Uber drivers just want five stars, they're not gonna make a big deal about it, but it will be kind of annoying.

• 1:14:35David Imel?

  But you don't have to talk to them then.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Exactly, so I just sit in the back and I just hear the story and they go, oh, that's totally fine, man, five stars? And I'll be like, yeah, you didn't have to say anything, man.

• 1:14:42David Imel?

  Unless it's really embarrassing that you give a one star.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Number seven, Ring camera, doorbell rings. My doorbell rings not that often, but it would be kind of annoying for that to charge me and send something that I don't need. Number eight, this is where it gets tough. The Google Maps carpool pickup every time, I, I hate this one so much.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  I just hate this one. Number nine, uh, the Spotify, you can't skip songs and every third song is that song. I'd rather die. And then number 10 for me is, I can't watch YouTube unless I proactively crank a box for the length of that YouTube video. I just would not be the person I am today.

• 1:15:22David Imel?

  You know what's super funny?

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  There's nothing there.

• 1:15:25David Imel?

  You know what's super funny about that is like the meta right now on YouTube is really long videos that would collapse.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:30David Imel?

  Nobody would be making video essays anymore.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Dude, this podcast, you'd have to sit and, it's not possible.

• 1:15:35David Imel?

  It's not possible. Audio numbers would skyrocket. That's true.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, so there, that was fun. That is, that's my ranking.

• 1:15:41David Imel?

  Dang, yeah, I think that's a decent ranking. What's your, just redo your one in 10, dude. My one in 10? Yeah. Alright. Um, my one is definitely the embarrassing Uber.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:15:53David Imel?

  Yeah. That's crazy.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  I, he's like, yeah.

• 1:15:57David Imel?

  One of them is like just a Nintendo Switch.

• 1:16:01David Imel?

  Yeah, but it's expensive.

• 1:16:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It's really, that's a really expensive switch.

• 1:16:04David Imel?

  A one-time switch or a lifetime of LLMs telling people what you did?

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  Also, it, lifetime cannot be more expensive than the Venmo one.

• 1:16:13David Imel?

  Number 10, so the worst possible one on here. Um.

• 1:16:21David Imel?

  Honestly, crankable YouTube.

• 1:16:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm against you guys. I would be.

• 1:16:28David Imel?

  Maybe a really warm phone.

• 1:16:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 1:16:30David Imel?

  If it's that hot, dude, just. We're talking about a phone.

• 1:16:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's just over there.

• 1:16:36David Imel?

  I want to hear your, I want to hear.

• 1:16:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Using it right now.

• 1:16:39David Imel?

  Can I hear a one in 10 out of my and Alice? You know what? Actually, never mind. Wait, wait, really quick. Change my mind. Not really one phone because it get my screen timed down. That's a good thing. I'm gonna go with crankable YouTube. Okay. Yeah.

• 1:16:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you guys want to participate? No? That's all right.

• 1:16:55Speaker 05

  I'm all set.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  I'm very risk averse and I, I think the Venmo thing would drive me crazy. I think I would just stay awake at night.

• 1:17:03David Imel?

  Just never be the person that's like buying dinner and you're fine.

• 1:17:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Or I would just always be like, my Venmo would strictly be like, I need to pay you for this singular meal that we're all splitting the bill on.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:17:14Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's a $10 swing.

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be, you know what I mean? I don't want to put my friends in that position, but I don't know.

• 1:17:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I forgot about them.

• 1:17:24Speaker 05

  I want free rent, baby.

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  My number one is the Venmo one. Anyway, um, I know you guys are probably tired of hearing me talk for the past 40 minutes, but.

• 1:17:38David Imel?

  Oh, right. Real trivia.

• 1:17:40Andrew Manganelli?

  It's time.

• 1:17:40David Imel?

  We have actual trivia.

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Question number one. Beats cables, they're here, but when Beats was OG Beats back in the day, uh, they advertised what s- audio file centered cable company as being their cable supplier?

• 1:17:59David Imel?

  Google Gemini.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  Wait, they got rid of Gemini?

• 1:18:03Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  That was so fast.

• 1:18:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait. Google Assistant is gonna be on there soon.

• 1:18:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10David Imel?

  Google Bard.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, I forgot about Bard already.

• 1:18:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Bard.

• 1:18:14David Imel?

  Oh. Project Aura.

• 1:18:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, what was Bard? That was Gemini before Gemini. Way better than Gemini.

• 1:18:20David Imel?

  It was the earliest L L.

• 1:18:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Bard was better as a name, I think.

• 1:18:24Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, okay. What do you guys have? Who wants to read?

• 1:18:28David Imel?

  We literally all read.

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  We have all written Monster. That is, wow. That almost never happens. A triple correct. That's crazy.

• 1:18:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't know they were an audio centric.

• 1:18:40David Imel?

  They just.

• 1:18:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I always remember Monster, the gold plated HDMI.

• 1:18:43David Imel?

  HDMI cables, yeah.

• 1:18:44Andrew Manganelli?

  They had CES once and didn't they have like, uh, what, like Shack come in or something?

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  I, I think they're one of those companies that back in the day, because they're, they're from the seventies. You know, they've been making cables for a while.

• 1:18:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, really?

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, oh, wow. Plugged in. All right. Question number two. Which of the following social media platforms is the oldest? A, No Place, a mashup of Twitter and Myspace for Gen Z. B, 1010, a walkie talkie app, sort of like if Snapchat was focused on voice messages. C, AirChat, another audio focused social network described as a combination of Twitter and Clubhouse. Or D, Jaggot, a location based social media platform for real time tracking.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  That was timed perfectly.

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  This is, we're looking for the oldest one. All right. Who would like to go first?

• 1:19:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm, you two said the same thing.

• 1:19:41David Imel?

  Marques and I both said D, Jaggot.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  That unfortunately is incorrect. Jaggot is from March of 2023.

• 1:19:47David Imel?

  That means it's B.

• 1:19:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I said A.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, A is from July of 2024, making it newer than Jaggot.

• 1:19:53Andrew Manganelli?

  We're referencing Myspace in 2024?

• 1:19:56David Imel?

  No place.

• 1:19:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I went on basically just trying to, what was the oldest company referenced in all of this?

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Not a bad strat, but unfortunately, the oldest one here is 1010 from September of 2022.

• 1:20:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Those are all very recent.

• 1:20:09David Imel?

  AirChat was like an early last year or a late 2023 thing.

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  April 2024. Good job.

• 1:20:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow.

• 1:20:15David Imel?

  Everyone jumped on that and they were like, maybe, and then no.

• 1:20:19Speaker 04

  No. Anyway, no one got that last question correct, meaning our scores leaving this episode. Andrew, you, my friend, are carrying the one with eight points. Marquez, you are in a cool second place with 18 points. David in the lead with a shocking and intimidating 19 points.

• 1:20:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Hotter than that phone.

• 1:20:46Speaker 04

  Hotter than that phone, indeed.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  Wait, so how is Andrew carrying the one?

• 1:20:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I have no idea.

• 1:20:51Speaker 04

  I thought that was the way we told Andrew, like, hey, you're not winning, but.

• 1:20:55Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it used to be because I had one point.

• 1:20:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, really? I don't remember that. I thought it was just colloquial. You're doing good, man.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  I thought you were behind by one point. Sorry.

• 1:21:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought it was.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  I'm sorry. So anyway, thanks for watching and for listening to this doozy of an episode. We covered quite a bit, of course, from the elephant in the room, the braided cables, all the way to the end to our favorite game. Let us know if you have any feedback, comments, questions, concerns. Make sure you subscribe. Make sure you like. Make sure you comment. Catch you guys very soon in the next one next week on your regular scheduled programming. Paste.

• 1:21:30David Imel?

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• 1:21:35Speaker 04

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• 1:21:37David Imel?

  I won't be joining yet, so.

• 1:21:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, neither do I.

• 1:21:39David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  Oh, and thanks, Mariah.

• 1:21:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you, Mariah.

• 1:21:41David Imel?

  Bye. Oh, thanks. Bye.

• 1:21:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Waveform was produced by Ellis Rovin and Mariah Zink. Our intro outro music was created by Vansil, and we're part of Vox Media Podcast Network. That was a different order because it wasn't the same as usual, and I can't do things like that.

• 1:21:55David Imel?

  Bingo.

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