Dodge Charger EV Sounds Fake 👎

This week Marques, Andrew, and David talked about the rumored Apple software redesign, Pixel 10 leaks, and the Charger EV that Marques just reviewed on Autofocus. To close it out they played a game called "Who Said That!?" where the hosts try to guess which brand posted engagement bait to Threads. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: Google - Chrome extension statement Autofocus - Dodge Charger Daytona review Android Headlines - Pixel 10 Leaks Bloomberg - Apple redesign MKBHD - MacBook Air review Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:29Speaker 01

  That's J-I-R-A dot com. It is a Dodge Charger. Cool, there's a bunch of different Dodge Chargers. This is the electric version of the Dodge Charger. And there aren't any good convincing reasons to buy it. Oh, in my opinion.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another regularly scheduled episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew. And I'm

• 1:58David Imel?

  David.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  So I stay regularly scheduled because last episode was a bonus episode, our first ever live version of the show from South by Southwest onstage with a bunch of you guys in the audience. A good amount of you actually showed up. Thank you.

• 2:12David Imel?

  Thank you.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  For those who were actually there, it was a good time.

• 2:15Andrew Manganelli?

  How many people, like 3,000 or 4,000?

• 2:17Speaker 01

  I would estimate.

• 2:18David Imel?

  250,000.

• 2:19Speaker 01

  A good quarter million. I was gonna say, yeah, quarter million people.

• 2:21David Imel?

  You know, like the, the, the Eras Tour, like picture, picture that. But bigger.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  At 10 a.m. on a Saturday, it was good. It was good. No, it was probably.

• 2:30Andrew Manganelli?

  250.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, 200, 200 something people, which is cool. Um, we got to have like a sort of a live trivia version of, uh, asking ourselves questions about the audience and we had answers from the audience. So that was fun. We also talked about DIG trying to make a comeback. We talked about Apple Intelligence being delayed and some other stuff as well. So if you want to watch that, it's in the audio feed. The video's on the YouTube channel. We've got like our mics that were like holding and talking.

• 2:56Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of people said you sounded way different.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause you were using a different mic.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  You know, I, there's something about this mic that like, I like the way my voice sounds in this microphone. And even, let me switch to your mic real quick.

• 3:10David Imel?

  Oh, God.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  See how different I sound?

• 3:12David Imel?

  No.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Doesn't sound right at all, right?

• 3:14David Imel?

  Wait.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:15David Imel?

  Oh, we sound more similar in the same mic than we do.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah. So I, I, I stick to this mic. But yeah, I agree. I sound different. There's also like reverb because it's an enormous empty, not empty, but.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  But no, it was a good time. Go check that one out. But believe it or not, we do have some more stuff to talk about because some more news has happened since then.

• 3:36David Imel?

  Also, very quick update to the Apple Intelligence story that I just wanted to bring up real quick. Uh, Apple has pulled one of their commercials that features the Apple Intelligence like deep Siri integration thing. Because people were basically saying that it was misinformation at this point.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:53David Imel?

  And then they also added a bunch of disclaimers around their website, like on the iPhone 16 pages about what it can do and when it's coming.

• 4:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It says, now it says Siri's personal context understanding, unsecured awareness, and in-app actions are in development and will be available with a future software update. So the thing that was built from the ground up for Siri AI.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:12Andrew Manganelli?

  That was coming in a future update will now be in a more future-verse update.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:17Andrew Manganelli?

  That's where we're at.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Apple Intelligence. God, that's a lot of fine print. If you go to the bottom of the iPhone website, look how much fine print there is.

• 4:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it's always like that.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:24Andrew Manganelli?

  The polishing cloth has fine print like that.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  My gosh. Okay, so, yeah, all of that is happening. There are also, I guess we'll get to it later, but there are some rumors about an iOS overhaul. So we'll talk about that later. But yeah, okay, we've got some topics here. Do we want to jump right into OnePlus evolving the alert slider into a button?

• 4:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you jumped into it already.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  So I have been a fan of the alert slider forever. Remember the OnePlus One came out and the alert slider was an innovative new feature? It's been on OnePlus phones, mostly on all of their phones, minus like a tiny gap, since then. And it's a great feature and I think a lot of people like it. And there is some talk that they are killing the alert slider and turning it into a button.

• 5:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Possibly just a customizable button that can do what the alert slider did, but could also be customized to do other things.

• 5:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Where have I heard that before?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Kind of seems like a similar to maybe like an action button on a certain iPhone.

• 5:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  I, this is one of those decisions that when you look at the numbers, makes perfect sense. But when you look at the fans, doesn't seem to make any sense because the fans are like, no, I love the alert slider. And I love the alert slider, but.

• 5:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, at least it's not them just taking it away, right? The default on the action button on the iPhone is the alert slider function.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Basically.

• 5:45Andrew Manganelli?

  And you can still do it in your pocket, you know, without looking at your phone.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  But I liked it.

• 5:49Andrew Manganelli?

  The, the like, you can tell where it is though, right? Because like, and there's three clicks, correct? In the OnePlus?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so you would have to, I'm assuming if it was the same function, you would be like, click, click, click. But this, you can be like, I'm all the way down, I'm all the way up.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  True.

• 6:03Andrew Manganelli?

  You can feel it in your pocket.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  True, but, but the action button is awesome. Okay?

• 6:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't disagree with you.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  I feel like it's a good trade off.

• 6:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I know someone who would disagree and I find it funny this is happening. So one of our friends, Beau. Just texted me last week like, hey, you didn't do a review on the OnePlus 13R? Like, can you let me know how it is? And I said, oh, what about this and this? Like, I have an extra pixel if you just want that. He's like, I really like the alert slider. And that's like a non-negotiable for me. So then this coming out within the week of him saying that, so.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  See OnePlus, it's a real person. The alert slider is pretty OP.

• 6:38David Imel?

  Yeah, it was funny that they got rid of the alert slider a couple of generations ago. People freaked out. That was like a proper scandal.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  I remember that.

• 6:46David Imel?

  And then they brought it back and made a big deal about bringing it back. And they're like, how about a compromise?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:52David Imel?

  So I think the action button is great. And Pete Lau went on the OnePlus forums and said, we are evolving the alert slider into something. He did a lot of fancy dancing words saying, imagine it evolved around you. You know?

• 7:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I'm sure Apple evolved the headphone jack years ago also.

• 7:11David Imel?

  By just not cutting the hole. So, yeah, I think it's, I'm on team action button. Some other people may disagree with me.

• 7:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm with you on that.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  I could be swayed. I'm swayed.

• 7:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  I was swayed instantly. I folded under. I could be swayed. Okay, I'm swayed.

• 7:26David Imel?

  Yeah, the funny thing is that in Pete Lau's post on the OnePlus forums, the way he was talking about the button made it sound exactly like one, like nothing talked about the space button that they added, the private space or whatever they called it. What do they call it again?

• 7:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Essential space.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Essential.

• 7:43David Imel?

  Essential space button. Yeah, he talked about it like in the exact same way. So I thought it was going to have the exact same functionality. But then the way he described it afterwards, it just sounds like an action button, which is cool. I mean, I love having customizable buttons and switches on devices, so.

• 7:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Same.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  It's an AI alert slider.

• 8:01David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 8:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. Next up, we have Chrome, a new Chrome update, specifically one that is fixing affiliate swapping in extensions on Chrome. So I'm sure we all remember Honey. I think we covered it on this pod and you made a video about it. But Chrome is making an update to their browser of extensions.

• 8:23David Imel?

  Policy.

• 8:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Policy, thank you.

• 8:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:26Andrew Manganelli?

  So this is what they wrote. They said affiliate links, codes, or cookies must only be included when the extension provides a direct and transparent user benefit related to the extension's core functionality. It is not permitted to inject affiliate links without related user action, without providing a tangible benefit to users. I almost could read there for a second. So then it's just like some common violations include inserting affiliate links when no discount, cash back, or donation is provided. But this is definitely a direct shot to Honey.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is their entire business model. And PayPal paid a lot of money for them. I'm sure that they made that back off of stealing people's affiliate links. But yeah, I don't really know what Honey is gonna do from here on out because saving people money and not making that money back is not gonna be a good business business model for them.

• 9:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Right.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  They'll probably just.

• 9:13Andrew Manganelli?

  We need, we need the other browsers to do this. So Chrome is one of the most popular, but there's still Safari where someone could do this. There's still, I mean, I doubt many Firefox users are using Honey or it's so low anyways. But yeah, Safari, Internet Explorer are still like defaults. Wait, is it?

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Edge.

• 9:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Edge.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Edge.

• 9:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Showing her age.

• 9:31Andrew Manganelli?

  They're still like the default. So if they're still doing it, I'm sure Honey will still be making plenty of money.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 9:37Andrew Manganelli?

  So hopefully they do.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. All right. We reviewed a certain car recently.

• 9:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Were you here for that?

• 9:44Speaker 01

  I was here for the delivery, right? I saw it. I saw it temporarily.

• 9:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  And I looked inside in person? I have heard it because I've heard Miles.

• 9:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, great.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Doing it. So.

• 9:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  I just wanted to bring up the car and get you guys' takes on it because I had a pretty straightforward take. I drove it for a week. It is a Dodge Charger. Cool. There's a bunch of different Dodge Chargers. This is the electric version of the Dodge Charger. And there aren't any good convincing reasons to buy it.

• 10:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  In my opinion.

• 10:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  So.

• 10:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Zero.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Driving it like I could tell what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be fun. It's a Charger. All the rest of the Chargers are supposed to be fun, too.

• 10:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Interesting.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  But as you go down the list, you're like, all right, what is the real like king thing that it's amazing at? Is it, uh, performance? Is it that?

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay, maybe you could argue that it's the quickest charger ever. It's zero to 60 in 3.3 seconds. It's 600 plus horsepower, all-wheel drive. So it's the fastest, like, launching charger. But, you know, a quarter mile is like 11 and a half seconds. Like, if you really just care about that in an EV, there are plenty of EVs that are faster. Like, I brought up a couple of examples in the video. Model 3 Performance walks it. Uh, EV6 GT is faster. If you really care about that for the same price, which was $80,000 for the version I tested, you could get a used Plaid.

• 11:10David Imel?

  Damn.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  So the reason you wouldn't, the reason you'd buy it can't just be straight-line speed. Okay, so what other reasons are there?

• 11:17David Imel?

  Uh, it's a charger.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  It's a charger?

• 11:19David Imel?

  And the people who want to buy the charger want the charger. I feel like it's such a specific product.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I just realized how good the name is for an EV.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  For an EV, yeah. Missed opportunity there. They could have done something with that.

• 11:30David Imel?

  Oh, shoot. They could have called it the Super Charger.

• 11:34Andrew Manganelli?

  That also is the-

• 11:35David Imel?

  Or the Fast Charger.

• 11:36Andrew Manganelli?

  A car thing.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:38David Imel?

  Hypercharger.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  It won't be a track car because it weighs 6,000 pounds, and it's not good at that.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  So there's that. Uh, it won't be a road tripper because it only has 240 miles of range and only charges at 183 kilowatts. It won't be a charger because it doesn't have an engine, and it does have that loud speaker on the back. And don't get me wrong, it is loud.

• 12:06David Imel?

  It's very loud.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  It is loud. It's louder than Micah. It's a very loud speaker system, 126 decibels. It makes all sorts of noises. It rumbles the actual car as you're sitting in it, and you can feel it when you rev. And yes, you can rev.

• 12:18David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  But it doesn't sound as good as the gas version, number one. And it also gets annoying because it's, uh, it just kind of has this droning because it doesn't, like, shift gears. So you know how if you'll, like, you know, CVT, you'll, like, get up to speed and just kind of stays at the same... Like, if you drove a regular gas car and you just, like, shifted to second gear and never got out of second gear, that's what it sounds like to drive this car around. So it's kind of just, "Mmmmm." And so it's loud, yes, if that's what you're into. But unlike maybe the Ioniq 5, which could let you, like, play with the gears or whatever, you can't do that with this car. So it's just, it's not a good charger. It's not a good road tripper. It's not a good track car. It's not a good straight-line car. What is it?

• 13:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I have a, ask a question?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:05Andrew Manganelli?

  The sound, does it like, uh,

• 13:10Andrew Manganelli?

  go with like the speed you're going? Does that, or is it just the same, like,

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:15Andrew Manganelli?

  High-power revving sound all of the time?

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Notes about the sound.

• 13:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Interestingly, it seems to be coordinated directly to how many Gs you're experiencing. So it's quiet when you're not accelerating, but when you're braking or accelerating, it gets louder.

• 13:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  And like a little more high-pitched. So as you drive, maybe pulling up to a stoplight, you'd hear it go, "Mmmmm." And then as you pull off from the stoplight, "Mmmmm." And then you get up to speed and it's just, "Mmmmm."

• 13:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Like constantly?

• 13:47Speaker 01

  And it's just that, droning.

• 13:49Andrew Manganelli?

  You can't turn that off?

• 13:50Speaker 01

  So you can turn it off.

• 13:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  I turned it off.

• 13:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Cause I just got annoyed by it.

• 13:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Uh, it's louder in track mode than like regular mode, so you can like dial it up or down, but I just wanted to turn it off. And then the other note about the sound is, I feel like I could actually hear the MP3 looping.

• 14:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause, well, cause it's just a constant drone the entire time.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  It's just a constant drone, and if you are at the same pitch for a while, you could hear, "Mmmmm." And I could hear that, and I was like, as soon as I heard that, I was like, I have to turn this off. Yeah. And I, I noticed that, and as soon as I noticed it, I was like, let me find how to turn this off, because it's really annoying.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  That's unacceptable in 2025.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm also very curious for who the target demographic for this car is.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Well, the argument is, I, there is, it doesn't, it misses all of the targets.

• 14:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Because if you're dodging, you're trying to make a charger, you're trying to sell an EV to them, then the target demographic is someone who wants a charger, but wants an electric car. Right away, that Venn diagram has like almost no overlap.

• 14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  And you got this huge speaker system on the back, so it's, it's a muscle car, it's loud, you're trying to sell a car to people who want a loud muscle car?

• 14:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  But want an electric car? Like, who is that? And they have 80 grand to spend on it? I just, yeah, I didn't really see who that is. So, here's where I landed.

• 15:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Daily commuter, comfortable cruiser. It can do that. It's very comfortable. It's soft. It rides well. It has a ton of space. It's a hatchback, so it has a big trunk. It also has a front trunk, but it's tiny, whatever, it doesn't matter. But like lots of legroom, lots of headroom, lots of visibility. It's this huge two-door, which is kinda hilarious, but whatever, like there's tons of space. And you ride along in soft mode, turn the sound off, and it's just chill.

• 15:30Speaker 05

  How much is this car?

• 15:31Speaker 01

  This car starts at about fifty, fifty grand and goes up till like, I think the one I tested is eighty-six thousand dollars.

• 15:38Speaker 05

  So eighty-six thousand dollars?

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  For a comfy commuter car?

• 15:42Speaker 01

  A nice, comfortable car.

• 15:42Andrew Manganelli?

  There are a lot of people who buy those like base chargers, base challengers or whatever, like that are pretty cheap and don't have all the big like benefits of like a muscle car. They just look like a muscle car that you can drive

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:56Andrew Manganelli?

  to the grocery store.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  And this one looks like a muscle car.

• 15:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. It looks good. I think it looks really nice.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  You could fit so many groceries in this car. Does it have a front? A tiny front. I can fit a backpack in the front. It's weird because it's an enormous car. And the front trunk is like-

• 16:10David Imel?

  So where, what are they doing with all the space?

• 16:12Speaker 01

  So they use the same chassis and, and same design for the gas and electric charger.

• 16:17David Imel?

  Oh.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  So it's not a ground up EV where they would have all this extra space. Like there's still a tunnel going between the driver and passenger seat. There's nothing in there.

• 16:26David Imel?

  Oh.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  In the gas version, there is.

• 16:28David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  But in the electric version, it just has a tunnel there.

• 16:30David Imel?

  Huh.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  So yeah, there's just a lot of, a missing space.

• 16:33David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:35David Imel?

  Okay.

• 16:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I have two really quick thoughts.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:37Andrew Manganelli?

  One is, uh, I think "Supposed to be Fun" would have been a great title for your all book.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  That was my alternate title.

• 16:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. That was, that would have been really good.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  "Supposed to be Fun."

• 16:46Andrew Manganelli?

  This looks like it's doing well. Um, yeah. My second thought is, we all ragged on the Mustang Mach-E when it first came out, because we're like, why would you call this Mustang?

• 16:54Speaker 05

  You all ragged on it.

• 16:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Hold on, hold on.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  You all ragged on it.

• 16:57Andrew Manganelli?

  We ragged on the fact that it was a Mustang, right? Like they launched it as a Mustang EV, but it was really like this Ford crossover.

• 17:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And even though I still think it didn't make much sense.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Seeing this now of like, here's the actual muscle car that's an EV and realizing that none of the muscle car people really want an EV.

• 17:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Maybe that was the better decision. I still think it's weird. They went with a Mustang, but.

• 17:21David Imel?

  Okay.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  The Mach-E is great and it's still doing.

• 17:24David Imel?

  Hear me out and maybe, maybe muscle car is different from like a different kind of nice car. Imagine they may, you know that, what was the Porsche, the guy that takes the old Porsche bodies and retrofits them into.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Saccharilev motors.

• 17:39David Imel?

  Motors car, yeah. Uh, I and many other people would a hundred percent buy that car.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  I think that's.

• 17:45David Imel?

  But that's probably not considered a muscle car, right?

• 17:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's different.

• 17:49David Imel?

  I, yeah, I agree. The muscle car demographic probably does not have overlap with the EV demographic, but.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 17:56David Imel?

  The like old school, like classic car demographic definitely does.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Right. Okay, question for you. What if they had nailed the sound of this car through the speaker instead of hearing the loop and all that? And like, we heard a Charger the other day and you were like, see, that's what a Charger is supposed to sound like, like.

• 18:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  What if they had nailed that part of it?

• 18:14David Imel?

  Like, you know how on the Sigma camera and also on the, on the MacBook, you, you didn't know that there was no actual button and then it's just.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  It's so convincing.

• 18:23David Imel?

  It's so convincing that until someone tells you, you have no idea. What if it was, it felt and sounded identical?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Sure. Let me give you that. Let's say there's a theoretical world where the sound is so incredible that it actually matches the gas car. It would still not be good at any of the other things that it was supposed to be good at, which is, it can't. It's not as quick in a straight line as all the other competitive EVs that are good at that. It's not a lot of range. And here's the funny thing about, uh, those motors. So it's a 335 horsepower rear motor and a 335 horsepower front motor. If I can get into weeds for a second, that's a little bit unusual. Typically you have a more powerful rear motor because when you accelerate, all of the weight goes backwards. And onto the rear axle. So you want a more powerful rear axle. That's your limiting factor.

• 19:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  The very powerful front motor almost never gets saturated. So in this car, it's evenly split between the two and you have a 6,000 pound car and sticky tires. And it actually is so heavy and so weak at the rear axle that it cannot do a standing burnout. It's not capable of it. For those who know chargers, that's the whole thing. Like you want to be able to just do a burnout. That's the rear wheel drive cars. They light up the tires, they spin or whatever. This car is so heavy and so weak at the rear axle that it can't do that.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  So it doesn't do the charger thing, even though it makes a cool noise. It doesn't do the road trip thing. It doesn't do the straight line thing. It doesn't do the track thing. So it would still not be a good car, but it would sound great and that would be a cool accomplishment. And you know, I think to some people, this car sounds cool. But yeah, it's a, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, bang, in my opinion.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  Can I, can I go on a quick rant that I've already gone on like 10 times that uh, I, this car proves it.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  30% vote.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  What?

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Yes, 30% of people at South by Southwest and our panel at South by Southwest voted that I had the worst takes on Waveform. So here's another one, baby. Now, um, uh, this also goes back to the Ioniq 5N. And it's like, you can, you can make a car that tries to sound like a gas engine and like has the rumble and like all these things. But I just feel like it'd be so much better to make something that is firmly itself and like lives, lives in its own lane and makes a sound that is its own. And the 5N got like close, but I feel like those sounds were like kinda corny, especially the, the like, uh, the backfire sound was like so bad.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think when they are trying to emulate an existing thing, you're, you're gonna fail.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. And there's like, cause and there's good examples of companies doing this, like the OG Tesla backup sound, I thought was like a really brilliantly designed sound, sort of like, yeah, the sort of like soft hum. I thought that was really great. The, um, the BMW, that seven series hybrid that Hans Zimmer did all the sounds for. I thought that sounds really great. And then there's a, like, when we were doing the Cybertruck video, you know, I, uh, both Cybertruck videos, I had mics all over the motors and that thing like deep inside the car. And the sounds we got out of it were like, Not that interesting, right? And so we spruced them up in the video. We made the car sound really cool. And no one was like, wow, Ellis, like you totally lied to me. They were like, that sounds really cool and fun.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  And I think that the best example of this, and I know I've brought this up a million times. There's a Ford concept car from like five years ago called the Mach E1400. It's like the supercharged version.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Sounds like a Banshee.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  It sounds like the coolest car ever. And I know it didn't sound like that in person, but it's like, that's what we should be striving for. In my opinion, it's something that like, if you want to make a car sound like it rips, just make it sound like it rips.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  I will plus one that. I think we're in this weird era still where if you're trying to sell electric cars to people, it's almost everyone's first electric car. And so they need to build things in that are familiar to gas car users.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  And there are a lot of vestigial features that are just, just for that person. And we gotta get a couple of generations in.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  Do we?

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Where someone who's never driven a gas car drives their first car and it's electric and they don't care that it doesn't have a sound. So I, I will say the Porsche Taycan Turbo GT, I've watched all the reviews of that car. Way less sound deadening in that car. Rimac Nevera, another one. You just hear the motors.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  And it's just a electrical motor sound and that's all you need.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  And it doesn't have to make a fake sound. And that is the sound of an electric car and that's fine.

• 23:04Speaker 04

  Think about how breathtaking a driving experience would be. And also, yes, auto companies, if you want to hire me, I will make your sounds. Just get on, get on the line. But think about how breathtaking it would be for someone who is, has experience with performance gasoline cars, right? They're on a mile drag strip, like a long drag strip. They get the car up to full speed and instead of the car making some loud noise to be like, you're going fast. The car goes dead silent. Like picture how that would feel as a driver. Like you hear the motors spinning up and getting louder and louder. And then you hit 160, 170 and all of a sudden, like that would be such a unique sonic experience. That would be unique to that car. And I think would really wow people who are gas familiar. I don't know.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Just call me, pay me, I'll take a cool mill for this and everyone will be talking about it and, and we'll call it a day.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  I think that was a great take, Ellis. I watch a lot of, I watch a lot of car reviews from automotive journalists who drive a lot of gas cars. And the number one word that they use when driving an electric sports car that they say it's missing is emotion. And I find that really interesting.

• 24:11Andrew Manganelli?

  But like, but putting the sound of a gas cart in an electric car is just like putting that meme with the mask on top of the crying face. Yeah, it's like, it's not emotion, you're stealing it from something else already, give it its own characteristics.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  I think gas cars, they started up with this technology of an internal combustion engine and it was great and they happened to make noise. And so the sports cars would lean in and embrace that noise because it was just a part of the mechanical emotional feeling of like going through driving a car. I think electric cars in the future eventually should just lean into the thing that makes them better than gas cars. Which is, they have more torque, they are quieter, like they can do faster acceleration. They have all these things that are inherently superior to, they warm up quicker. They have all these things that are better and they should just lean into that.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  And I get that there's a couple of things like creep or regen or little noises and things that make gas users more comfortable. Or lack of regen, I guess I should say, but yeah, for now, almost every new electric car is somebody's first electric car.

• 25:17Speaker 04

  Wait, you're so right, those are things that could be orally communicated to a driver. Why do cars not have a regen sound? Why can you not hear the traction control adjusting the power of the motor on each wheel and get directional feedback from that? Like, there's all these things that are unique to electric cars and these sound designers are just like, nah, bro, make the steering wheel vibrate. That's what people want, baby.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  When you're doing one pedal driving and you let go of the accelerator and it starts spinning on the regen, it should be like woo.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  There are so many.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  There's a lot of stuff you could do.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  And that's the emotion that these, look, I'm not like a gas car guy, I'm not going to call them a mean name. But that's the emotion that these people are talking about, you know what I mean? They're talking about the feedback they're getting from the machine. There are things in an electric car that you should. Should be getting feedback about not on an iPad.

• 26:07David Imel?

  Yeah, right.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  That you can get with your ears. Anyway, I'm very upset about this. I've been upset about it.

• 26:12David Imel?

  No, you should lean in. You should lean into the things that that technology is doing. There's this video that got passed around last week called, uh, why young people like old things.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:20David Imel?

  And it's this very young kids and he makes some very good points about, uh, basically it all comes down to your senses and the fact that like, when you're just tapping an iPad, there's just, there's no sort of sensory input into anything that you're doing. And that object has replaced all of these things that used multiple different parts of your senses to sort of like give you that experience. And so when you're driving an electric car that is taking away a lot of those senses because it doesn't do the rumble. It doesn't do like all these like old gas things. They should just lean into the things that the car is actually doing to like bring those senses back.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Here's a really specific example. We did the driving the Model 3 on a track, remember a couple of years ago?

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  When you're driving an electric car on a track, you can hear when each tire is like starting to break traction. Where in a gas car, you can feel it, but you only hear the engine. But in an electric car, as you're going around like a cone course on a track, you hear exactly when you start to slide versus just kinda trying to feel it.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  And the car knows that which tires have traction, how much traction do they could build that into the sound engine. Car companies, hire me. Please, I can help you.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Software, software.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  My dad is the last thing that will leave sound, but you know, sound guy, you don't get the opportunity that much to talk about stuff like this. My dad, also a sound guy. When the first, uh, wave of electric cars were being sold, him and a bunch of his sound guy friends were getting lunch together. And someone asked the table, like, now that we can make a car sound like literally anything, what should we use?

• 27:54David Imel?

  What do we do?

• 27:54Speaker 04

  As the engine sound and the sound that the group came up with as like what all cars could sound like is.

• 28:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm so sorry for everyone who wanted to hear that.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Because picture an entire freeway of like.

• 28:09Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I refuse to picture that.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Like a swarm of locusts. That could work. Well, okay, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We got some more software to talk about. We got many more things that have popped up in the news. So we will be right back, which means we should do trivia.

• 28:28David Imel?

  He didn't even do the way Adam is the one that did the delay there.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  The hesitati becomes the hesitater. Okay, I wanted to ask this question for a little bit, but we've had better questions and now now I think this question's time to shine. So guys.

• 28:43David Imel?

  Time to pull out the bad question.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  No, this is the good question.

• 28:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly what he just said.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  That is not what I was trying to say. It's it's good question or like fantastic question. And I, whatever, whatever.

• 28:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Taking yourself into a hole.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  All right, all right, guys.

• 28:57David Imel?

  Dig and anyway, continue.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  That, dude, if my mic was on when you said that, digging and burying are the opposite. You don't bury for buried treasure. Okay?

• 29:07David Imel?

  I kind of, I kind of realized that a little bit later, but I didn't want to bring it back up.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  No, you shouldn't. Anyway, guys, multiple choice question.

• 29:16David Imel?

  Okay.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  What is the name of Xiaomi's AI assistant?

• 29:22David Imel?

  Xiaomi's AI assistant.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  And I have four choices for you. The first one.

• 29:26David Imel?

  That was optional.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  A modern.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  A, as they call it.

• 29:30David Imel?

  A.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Zhao AI.

• 29:32David Imel?

  Oh.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  B, oh, by the way, sorry, all of these, I'm giving the English translation of like the Chinese word.

• 29:40David Imel?

  Xiao AI.

• 29:41Speaker 04

  So Zhao AI, B, squiggly, C, God King Jun, Jun being Chinese name that means like handsome.

• 29:50David Imel?

  God King handsome.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Or.

• 29:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's my nickname in high school.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  And this is not a joke. SU7 and the assistant is an anthropomorphic version of the Xiaomi EV, the SU7 à la cars, like with eyes and tongue and stuff.

• 30:04David Imel?

  That would be amazing.

• 30:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm so worried it's that one.

• 30:09David Imel?

  It's definitely God King handsome.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  God King handsome.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  I want to remember the Chinese word, but I'm probably not going to.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  So.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  We'll think about this one.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  See, I told you it was a good question.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  It's a good question. We'll have the answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 32:31Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. We gotta talk about this alleged upcoming iOS 19 update. Headline, word on the street, it is gonna be a major visual overhaul. And if you read into this story, so this is a Bloomberg article, it seems like there's going to be the biggest overhaul since iOS 7 is what they're saying, and it's going to be much inspired by Vision OS. So a lot of that, like when you open up Vision OS, or if you watch the video of Vision OS, very glassy, a lot of transparency. I'm on the fence about it. I'm trying to picture iOS looking like that. And I get that you want it to be consistent and everything, but it's also technically skeuomorphism.

• 33:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I take it a step further? This is not just iOS, this is iPadOS, macOS, and iOS. Yeah, they said, Mark Gurman said it's the biggest change to Mac since Big Sur, which is in 2020, and then, like you said, iOS since iOS 7?

• 33:29Speaker 01

  It would make sense if you are Apple and you're doubling down on Vision OS really is our future and really is something we believe in, so everything's gonna look like that. I get that part. I'm just trying to picture... I'm not a designer, clearly. I'm trying to picture what that actually looks like. I don't know if you guys have thoughts on how Vision OS looks currently.

• 33:51David Imel?

  It's interesting because they just went through a bunch of like, we're adding dark mode now, and so you have to like make a dark mode icon. And so clearly, they don't want to do a bunch more work to actually change the look of the icons again, so it's more gonna be the UI elements. So the idea of the existing icons like sitting on top of that glassy UI element is kind of interesting, but in the Vision Pro, they have that working already, I guess. So I could see it. I mean, I think people adapt to things faster than people generally think they adapt to things. So...

• 34:25Andrew Manganelli?

  They adapt to it quickly, but they love to complain about adapting to it immediately.

• 34:29David Imel?

  They complain for like a month, and then they get over it.

• 34:31Andrew Manganelli?

  And I'm one of them. I totally understand where they're coming from.

• 34:34David Imel?

  Yes, yes.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Do you guys like the way Vision OS looks visually?

• 34:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Like, it's got some floating elements outside the window, so there's these glassy windows with a sort of... like a frosted glass type of look, so that whatever's behind them is like frosted out. And then there are hovering elements outside of it, like the X or the bar to drag and move around the window. Every icon is a circle also, I believe, on the home screen.

• 34:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Things layer on top of each other a lot, so the glass kind of stacks. It's definitely an appropriate look for UI in a physical space. Because there's often going to be like surfaces and textures and things like that behind the glass that you still want to be aware of. So it makes sense to have that in a physical space. But the iPhone or the Mac never to me felt like it had to do that. So I get consistency, but I just don't, I don't know if I can picture it.

• 35:28David Imel?

  Yeah, I guess usually these companies want to get you used to the primary interaction mode that like the object that you use the most. And then everything sort of percolates from that. And it's definitely looking very far into the future to say Vision OS and Vision like interaction with a computer is what you need to get used to right now. Because Vision OS or Vision Pro sales are not doing very well.

• 35:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 35:53David Imel?

  And I think it's going to be quite a while before we transition to using these kind of headsets more often.

• 35:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep. Mark Gurman said that the push is like part of them trying to simplify how users use their devices. So I guess like if you think about it, Vision OS probably is the simplest way to use something because you have less intuitive controls. They needed to make it as simple as possible. I agree with you though, moving everything to be into their less, least popular, least like in the hands of people product feels weird, but I guess they had to spend so much time creating the UI. And I think it's a little further than just, you know, the icons. There are a lot of like circular, glassy, very rounded edges on a lot of different things. Inside of like the menu systems and playing songs and settings and messages and everything.

• 36:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So maybe it's just slightly going a little more towards that.

• 36:46David Imel?

  They also might think that if they can get users used to the UI right now on a thing that they use all the time. When they eventually buy some sort of Vision OS type device, whatever that ends up being, it'll be more naturally intuitive to them because the UIs look the same.

• 37:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it all checks out.

• 37:05David Imel?

  Kind of like how the Apple Watch like uses very similar icons to like the iPhone and the menus are similar. And it's got some like design and style, but it's still like intuitive because you know how to use the iPhone.

• 37:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I think it's also kind of interesting though is there it the claim to this and obviously this is a rumor, but Gorman's pretty spot on a lot of the time. Trying to make everything so similar when just at one of the questions you answered at the the South by show was somebody asking if touchscreens would go on Macs and like how there's a very distinct difference between how the iPad and the Mac work. So we're trying to make things more similar, but Apple also needs to make things not too similar. So they don't cannibalize each other's products.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Where do we draw the line? What are we just talking UI here? Like it's funny doing that. How are they not going to cannibalize other things?

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, so vision OS is still going to have to be their only, I'm doing air quotes for audio listeners, spatial operating system, like three, like things are going to be in front of and behind and you move them around and in forward and backward in space. That's vision OS is the only place that that will still happen. So I guess that distinguishes vision OS from the other things. And then the other things are still going to be glossy and transparent and glassy and things like that. Technically, again, skeuomorphism, I think I'm using that word correctly, but they won't have the X, Y, and Z axis all at the same time.

• 38:32David Imel?

  Yeah. All I'm saying is like, I miss the days of Android releases where every single one looked completely different.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:39David Imel?

  And we just got like weird, wacky, wild stuff. Yeah. Hollow.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  It was cra- it was fun.

• 38:43David Imel?

  And gingerbread or yeah, cut our gingerbread.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, those days were crazy.

• 38:47David Imel?

  It was the best. It was just amazing.

• 38:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, I'm looking forward to this because I feel like Apple has not had something kind of like how material design is on Google.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 38:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Where it's like layers of things. And the whole point of that, when they were building that out was to like mimic physical things that you're touching. So I could see how you said, Marquez, that this is supposed to be like for vision OS with like, it makes a lot of sense to have glassy things, but we touch glass all the time. So I don't think that would be that weird on our phones.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  I think all touch glass.

• 39:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It's touch glass.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Okay, we just, we just finished talking about how electric cars have way less tactile feel and people are used to having and miss real tactile, like typing on an iPad versus typing on a mechanical keyboard, that type of difference. I don't know, to skew morphism on a glass screen where things are starting to represent real textures and materials again, does that feel backwards?

• 39:47Andrew Manganelli?

  But the texture is glass. Like when it's mimicking like a frosted glass and then you're touching things on your screen that is also glass?

• 39:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, that's fair.

• 39:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Are we picturing like the Finder window being like that, like a bit more see-through with all of you? Because I kind of like that idea.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Right now, imagine that, like the stuff around the UI is now all suddenly glass.

• 40:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the reason I would like that is because a lot of Apple monitors are, like the Pro Display XDR is just a big monitor. So I don't use double, I just use a lot of different window sizes kind of all over the place. So having Finder windows that are more transparent and being able to kind of see what's directly under it without, while still being able to recognize, you know, the icons that are inside the Finder window. I think that sounds kind of nice.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  There, there is, forgive me if someone already said this, there is a lot of transparency already in macOS.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  Like when you open a new tab in Safari, for example, that's like an opaque.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Safari, yeah.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  Even Finder.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  And the notification, the Control Center, like that pop-down.

• 40:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Kind of looks like an iOS. And we were talking about this when it got updated, we were like, oh wow, they're adding a bunch of very iOS-y elements to macOS.

• 41:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  And I guess we just got used to them.

• 41:03David Imel?

  They just need to, they need to make the YouTube app look like the old little TV again. That's all I'm saying.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  And the leather, the leather, yeah. The leather Instagram and icon?

• 41:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Leather, we need more leather, I agree.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, if it's pure aesthetics, I feel like you can just... Just do whatever you want.

• 41:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  And this is the one they've chosen.

• 41:23David Imel?

  And there are some apps that we've like really abstracted, like the old photo app used to be a sunflower, like a picture of a sunflower.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  It was.

• 41:31David Imel?

  And now it's that like pinwheel that is supposed to sort of be a flower, but it's just been abstracted into this like generic pinwheel that also Slack uses and also Google Photos uses and also a million other apps use. So, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm all for things looking like they look in real life. I'm super down.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  I just want to say if you want a preview of this, there's a thing called Hyperland on Arch Linux, by the way.

• 41:55David Imel?

  And it is.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  I use Arch, by the way.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  I use Arch, by the way. And it is very, like, everything is transparent and see, I mean, you could customize it to not be that, but everything that I see on like r slash unix porn, which is a amazing thing. Yeah, I know, crazy.

• 42:06David Imel?

  Can you say that?

• 42:08Speaker 05

  What?

• 42:08David Imel?

  On the podcast?

• 42:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. r slash unix porn. That's the, uh.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Maybe say it one time.

• 42:13Speaker 05

  Maybe I should say one more time. So, yeah, in that community, a lot of people customize their setups to look very transparent, transparent and glassy. So that's a good little preview if you want to see what Mac OS could look like.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 42:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just excited for an overhaul because we just did the world's most boring MacBook Air review ever because just like things aren't changing at all and I will be excited to see something different.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  They whispered blue into the box before closing.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  That, I did not realize that you had that in the script and I was watching the video and I like lol.

• 42:44Andrew Manganelli?

  The most exciting part that was that someone bled on the box that they sent.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Did you put it in the video?

• 42:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is weird.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Like the top 10 comments are.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  I guess I'll just mention, yeah, the bleeding edge comments are funny.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  I reviewed the MacBook Air, the M4 MacBook Air. Long story short, they put an M4 chip in it.

• 43:04Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's cheaper.

• 43:05David Imel?

  Is there a long story?

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, that, I mean, the long story is they put an M4 chip in it. It has more AI cores. It does certain things better than the M3 version.

• 43:12David Imel?

  It had blood on the box.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  It has, wait, I didn't get there yet.

• 43:15David Imel?

  Okay.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  It has a slightly different mute icon with a little cross through.

• 43:18David Imel?

  Oh, true, true.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Which I think they'll probably update all the MacBooks solely to have that new mute icon. It has a slightly new light blue color. It's sky blue. It looks a little more blue when it's up against white surfaces. A little, it looks a lot less blue when it's up against actually blue surfaces.

• 43:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  What else? They have a new 12 megapixel ultra wide center stage webcam.

• 43:36David Imel?

  Ooh.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Cool. Um, that's a long story.

• 43:41David Imel?

  The short story.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Somebody bled on the box.

• 43:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Don't know who, don't know when, don't know how.

• 43:46Andrew Manganelli?

  If I buy one, will it also come with blood on the box?

• 43:49Speaker 01

  I hope not.

• 43:50David Imel?

  Special edition.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  It's kind of weird.

• 43:52David Imel?

  Project, product red.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  And the AI.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Product red is crazy. Yeah, we don't know what the story is.

• 44:02David Imel?

  That's funny. Did Apple say anything to you about that?

• 44:05Speaker 01

  I mean, I told them about it and they offered to send me a new one and I was just like, I have the laptop. It's fine. I don't even know when. I just want to let you know someone is dying packaging your products. Yeah. So that that's kind of it.

• 44:18David Imel?

  That's fun.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Go watch the video if you want the long story.

• 44:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:23Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not much longer than that.

• 44:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Did you see? Hold, hold on to your seats, everyone. There was a Pixel 10 leak.

• 44:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Never could have guessed.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Where it gets earlier every.

• 44:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Pixel 9A is not every, even out yet. This is a small leak, but I think a cool one.

• 44:45David Imel?

  We could patch it pretty easily.

• 44:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, we could hopefully if any of us know how to patch leaks, but I don't think we do. Google certainly doesn't know.

• 44:54David Imel?

  Google does not. They've been waiting for the plumber to come for like 15 years.

• 44:59Andrew Manganelli?

  So on leaks did his first CAD rendering of what he knows. And because it's CAD and only hardware, and that's all we know, the most interesting thing. It looks like we're getting a third camera on the Pixel 10 base model.

• 45:13David Imel?

  Let's go.

• 45:14Andrew Manganelli?

  And it looks like a periscope.

• 45:16David Imel?

  Let's go.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  It's very interesting. Yeah. Because we've talked about Pixel 9A rumors and how that's supposed to be like a pretty basic looking boring phone, flat camera bump, that type of thing. And I don't know if you remember Pixel 8A, but my whole question around Pixel 8A was, wait, why would you get this? If you can already get a Pixel 8 on discount and it's a better phone and it's almost the same price. So I feel like I'm, I'm watching Google separate the 9A and the 10.

• 45:44David Imel?

  Yes.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  A little bit. More so that they make sense at different prices.

• 45:47David Imel?

  Which is ironic because last year they released a ton of different Pixel 9 SKUs. Cause there was the Pixel 9, Pixel 9 Pro, Pixel 9 Pro XL, Pixel 9 Pro Fold.

• 45:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I forgot about that.

• 46:01David Imel?

  Yeah. So how do we know, by the way, that the small one is not just a Pixel 9 Pro?

• 46:08Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a very good point. That's on leaks is saying.

• 46:12David Imel?

  The Pro is the extra camera and slightly better screen or something like that.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  So is there not, so maybe this, I mean, I don't, I didn't see the rumor, but is it not Pixel 10? Maybe it's just Pixel 10 Pro? The headline says, seems to believe it's the regular Pixel 10 that's getting a third camera, which would be interesting. But we also had the Pro that was the same size as the regular phone last year with the 9.

• 46:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  So, yeah, TBD.

• 46:37David Imel?

  I mean, the rumor is that the base is getting it. So maybe the fact that it looks like a Pro is just because it's a base with an extra camera.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:48David Imel?

  But I am curious what's going to differentiate the regular one from the Pro at that point? Besides like slightly better screen?

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. They should all have the thing that I'm most excited for in Pixel 10, which is Tensor G5.

• 47:01David Imel?

  That's true.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  That's all I care about with the Pixel.

• 47:04David Imel?

  We've been talking about Tensor G5 for like three years and it's finally coming.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  The TSMC, yeah, I, this is, I can't wait.

• 47:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  I really hope it is what we're hoping it is, which is an actually good performing tensor chip. Cause when we first heard Google was going to do a tensor thing, we were like, oh, wow. Yeah, maybe they'll, you know, have great performance and great AI and it'll be, you know, on par with what Qualcomm offers.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  At a basic level, it's not like their chips are not as powerful as the flagship Qualcomm chip, but they work, they're fine. They're not going to do amazing with gaming or anything like that, but they work with Google's AI stuff. But man, I just want it to be a smooth phone that's fast, that does everything at the same level of a Qualcomm chip.

• 47:42David Imel?

  Maybe a silicon carbon battery as well?

• 47:44Speaker 01

  That would be nice.

• 47:45David Imel?

  More capacity.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  I don't know if Google's up to that though.

• 47:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  They're famously not like the most advanced with hardware.

• 47:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  They may do just a thicker phone with more battery in general, which is cool with me.

• 47:56David Imel?

  That'd be sweet.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Um, but yeah, Tensor G5, please.

• 47:59David Imel?

  Please.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Please.

• 48:00David Imel?

  Okay.

• 48:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, I'm thoroughly confused about this.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:03Andrew Manganelli?

  There's two, I'm reading two different articles about how this would be the Pixel 10. My moron, but forgot that there was the Pixel 9 Pro, which just looks exactly like this.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's possible that the Pixel 10 and Pixel 10 Pro are incredibly close to each other.

• 48:19David Imel?

  That's true.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  They've done, they've done crazier things before.

• 48:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I just, I'm reading two different articles. I just reread them and none of them are even hinting that this could just be the Pixel 10 Pro.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, this render just looks like a Pixel 9.

• 48:34Andrew Manganelli?

  With an extra periscope camera.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  So a Pixel 9 Pro.

• 48:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes. Cause it basically said it's the same thing, but with an extra camera.

• 48:44Speaker 04

  A lot of people get confused because the Pixel 9 Pro and 10 Pro are like really, really similar, but the 10 Pro has to come from the 10 Pro, 10 Professional region of France.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 48:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I saw where that was going.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 48:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe Onleaks just very specifically said he thought this was the Pixel 10. Who knows, my friend? This is either a cool story or the dumbest story possible.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  It's possible that.

• 49:07Andrew Manganelli?

  You're welcome, or I'm sorry.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  That, yeah, this, this would be very interesting if they have a Pixel 10 and a Pixel 10 Pro that both have the Tensor G5, that both have triple cameras that are both the same size. What is the difference between those phones?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  The 10 Pro has four cameras.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  One has a brighter screen.

• 49:22David Imel?

  One's more expensive.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Four cameras? Yeah. What are they gonna do? I don't know. Just aluminum instead of, or stainless steel? I don't know. What's the difference?

• 49:29David Imel?

  Alert slider.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Now you got me.

• 49:31David Imel?

  Triggered.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Hundred bucks.

• 49:32Speaker 04

  More transparency in the OS.

• 49:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I just want you to know, I'm even looking at comments on The Verge about this and they're talking about the Pixel 11A. So I have no idea where anything is happening.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  I mean, one of them's 11A? We don't have the 9A yet.

• 49:46David Imel?

  Wow.

• 49:47Andrew Manganelli?

  We don't even have the 9A yet.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Well.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 49:51David Imel?

  Whatever it ends up being, it'll probably be a Pixel.

• 49:54Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll see the, we'll see a full unboxing next week, probably. So we'll know.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on long enough. We'll see all the phones come out before they actually come out.

• 50:02David Imel?

  Very funny.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  In that case, we'll take a quick break. Again, we got some more stuff after the break, but here's some more trivia.

• 50:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Trivia, dude. Uh, second question. So earlier, we spoke about EVs, specifically the Dodge Charger EV. Is that its actual name, Dodge Charger EV?

• 50:23Speaker 04

  Dodge Charger Daytona.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Daytona.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Daytona EV.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  SRT, Stage 2, Scat Pack, Bibidi-Ba.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  Really? Oh, my God.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  They didn't put the word scat pack on it, but it is.

• 50:32David Imel?

  That's good. What does Daytona mean?

• 50:34Speaker 05

  It's a place in Florida.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  It's.

• 50:37David Imel?

  How long would it take to explain?

• 50:38Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ. It's a.

• 50:39David Imel?

  Magic?

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Magic?

• 50:43Speaker 04

  It's a city in Florida where the first major yearly NASCAR race was held on the beach. Daytona 500. And for a long time, it was the largest, fastest race course in America until a place called Talladega was built.

• 50:59David Imel?

  What made the course fast?

• 51:00Speaker 04

  It was, it's just a giant oval, so you could just like smash it.

• 51:03David Imel?

  Big gradual turn. Big straight away. Big gradual.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  There was another Dodge Daytona that I believe came out in 1969, but I don't have the exact year, late 60s. That was, had a body kit made by Chrysler's missile division, like their defense contractors. And it's one of the craziest looking cars ever. And so they called this one the Dodge Daytona, but it does, it just has a front spoiler. There's nothing crazy about it. But if you look up Dodge, 1960s Dodge Daytona, you will see a car that looks like it was designed by a person who had only ever designed missiles. It's really funny.

• 51:37David Imel?

  That's kind of awesome.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  Anyway, that's, that's the scoop.

• 51:40David Imel?

  I love the history lesson. Thank you.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  All right.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  I love NASCAR.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  Second question, I'm gonna have to get back to you because Ellis just took my trivia question. So.

• 51:49David Imel?

  Oh.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  After the break.

• 51:51Speaker 04

  No, that wasn't the answer to the question. It's close enough. It was, that is not the first Dodge Daytona, Adam. Or it is the first Dodge Daytona, but it's not the first.

• 51:58Speaker 05

  Oh, I already started looking up Daytona.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  Okay, supernova, revolution, distortion, solar flare, and sangria blast are all flavors of what?

• 52:17Speaker 04

  After the break.

• 52:19David Imel?

  Apocalyptic solar system events.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  Flavors of apocalyptic solar system events.

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• 54:56Speaker 05

  Welcome back. So to close out this episode, we are doing something called Who Said What? Which is, I'm going to read out a post from threads that a brand has made and you have to tell me which brand it was. Which brand was engagement baiting so hard that we turned it into a segment-

• 55:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh my gosh.

• 55:15Speaker 05

  On the Waveform Podcast.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  All of them dude. Every single one.

• 55:20Speaker 05

  First, let's start it off pretty simple and easy. What's the best song to play as the clock strikes midnight on New Year's Eve?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Okay, I have a guess.

• 55:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Are we just guessing out loud or are we writing this all down?

• 55:33Speaker 05

  Write it down quick and flip them and read. I don't have to make it official.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  How about we call this Corporate Cringe?

• 55:39Speaker 05

  Sure, yeah, I like that.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Corporate Cringe.

• 55:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't have a board. I'm gonna say McDonald's just because you almost said McNugget, I feel like.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  What was that thing again?

• 55:48Speaker 05

  What's the best song to play as the clock strikes midnight on New Year's Eve?

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Oh, I know. I think I'm following this brand.

• 55:54Speaker 05

  Higher by Creed.

• 55:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Why would a brand tweet this?

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Higher by Tyo Cruz.

• 56:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Terry Crews?

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Tyo. Tyo Cruz.

• 56:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, I got it, I got it.

• 56:07Speaker 05

  What do you guys think it is?

• 56:08Andrew Manganelli?

  And then we have to guess.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Put our guess.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  I think it was Spotify.

• 56:12Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's you're guessing the company.

• 56:16Andrew Manganelli?

  You're guessing the company, not the song. I put YouTube Music.

• 56:24Andrew Manganelli?

  David, what did you say?

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Spotify.

• 56:29David Imel?

  I guessed After Midnight by Chappell Rowan.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 56:32David Imel?

  The song's a banger by the way.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 56:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  I don't have an eraser.

• 56:37David Imel?

  Just answered the brand's question. Wait, what did they say?

• 56:41Speaker 01

  You fell for the engagement bait.

• 56:41David Imel?

  Wait, what was the top comment?

• 56:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Evenflow?

• 56:44Speaker 05

  What? That's not, that's not the point of this.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Nobody cares.

• 56:47Andrew Manganelli?

  No one cares.

• 56:52Speaker 05

  The top comment was this.

• 56:54Andrew Manganelli?

  At least I didn't answer.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Three.

• 56:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Two, one.

• 57:03David Imel?

  Oh, the bass drop.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, timed it.

• 57:06David Imel?

  A bass drop.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  I knew you were gonna do that.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  Next one. Reply one if you are online, two if you are do not disturb.

• 57:16David Imel?

  If you're online.

• 57:17Speaker 05

  Which brand said that?

• 57:18David Imel?

  This is on threads?

• 57:20Speaker 05

  This is threads.

• 57:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, threads is like the massive engagement beat.

• 57:23David Imel?

  Yeah, well, it's definitely not Skype because they're dead.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  I am do not disturb.

• 57:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Flip them.

• 57:29David Imel?

  Hold on.

• 57:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, my God.

• 57:31David Imel?

  Okay, okay. Okay, I said Microsoft.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 57:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I said Slack.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 57:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I said nothing.

• 57:39David Imel?

  No.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  One plus.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  It was Discord.

• 57:41David Imel?

  Oh, online.

• 57:43Andrew Manganelli?

  That makes sense.

• 57:44David Imel?

  Online, yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 05

  Next.

• 57:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Good babe.

• 57:46Speaker 05

  You're the brush to my canvas, the glow to my effects, the gradient to my heart. Rainbow emoji, heart emoji.

• 57:54David Imel?

  Why would they post that?

• 57:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Inclusion.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  Here's a hint, it was on.

• 58:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It's doing dummy numbers. This, remember when, um, Google was like, AI can write your like Facebook statuses and posts. This feels like all these companies.

• 58:11Speaker 05

  Flip them and read, what do you got?

• 58:12David Imel?

  Too late to delete this. I wrote Adobe.

• 58:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I also wrote Adobe.

• 58:15Speaker 05

  I'll give you guys that.

• 58:17David Imel?

  Was it Photoshop?

• 58:18Speaker 05

  It was Photoshop. Marquez, what'd you say?

• 58:19Speaker 01

  I wrote Pixelmator.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  Ooh, close.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I almost wrote Photoshop, but it was Photoshop.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  Okay, babe, what's wrong? You barely touched your documents.

• 58:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Is this, does every company just have the same social media manager?

• 58:36Speaker 05

  It must be.

• 58:38David Imel?

  Oh, my God.

• 58:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Wendy's.

• 58:43Andrew Manganelli?

  So that would bang as a Wendy's tweet. Awesome Wendy's tweet.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  You know what's the worst is when all the brands just start replying to each other.

• 58:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 05

  This is like all the AIs talking to each other. It's like the same thing. All right, Flip them and read, what do we got?

• 58:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, God.

• 58:58David Imel?

  I wrote Google Docs.

• 58:59Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 58:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Or Acrobat.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  I wrote Microsoft.

• 59:02Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Dang it.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  Notion.

• 59:05Andrew Manganelli?

  You barely touched your documents.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Documents in Notion.

• 59:07Andrew Manganelli?

  It's because it's impossible to click documents in Notion. When you post all our thumbnails, you have to click like the perfect top right corner of them to actually see the image.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  Okay, I got one. All caps. I dip my fries in the tears of my haters.

• 59:22Andrew Manganelli?

  That's.

• 59:23David Imel?

  That better be Wendy's.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  It's like.

• 59:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  I'm guessing.

• 59:26David Imel?

  I'm gonna.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  I'm just telling you, I'm guessing Wendy's. It has to be. If it's McDonald's, I'm gonna.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  Flip 'em and read. What do we got?

• 59:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I also wrote Wendy's.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  I wrote Wendy's.

• 59:33David Imel?

  I wrote Beyond Meat.

• 59:36David Imel?

  They're, they have a, they have a pretty bag.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  Not Beyond Meat, but it was Wendy's.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 04

  I figured I'd give you an easy one. Okay.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  I told you the.

• 59:42Andrew Manganelli?

  They're like known for the.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Okay, next. What are your photography icks?

• 59:49David Imel?

  Oh, God.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Wow, who would tweet that?

• 59:51Andrew Manganelli?

  A company.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  That's real engagement bait. A question on Threads.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  What are your photography icks?

• 59:58David Imel?

  Yeah, it's either a question or a horrible take. That's how you do it.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Oh, what's that, uh, camera app? That people.

• 1:00:03David Imel?

  The camera?

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  No, the iPhone, like a.

• 1:00:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Halleed?

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Halleed.

• 1:00:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, oh, the one that, uh, Brandon uses, Brandon and Rich use all the time. They can add fake lens. Dazcam?

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Oh, no, that's different.

• 1:00:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Dazcam?

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  That's, uh, no, that's, I'll just do Halleed, whatever.

• 1:00:20David Imel?

  Halleed.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Halleed.

• 1:00:21David Imel?

  Silver Halleed.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Halliday.

• 1:00:23David Imel?

  Halliday.

• 1:00:24Andrew Manganelli?

  What'd you flip 'em?

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  I wrote Halliday.

• 1:00:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote Sony.

• 1:00:29David Imel?

  I wrote Fuji.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:00:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Was it Threads?

• 1:00:32David Imel?

  It was Canon.

• 1:00:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we collectively try and answer these? Maybe we'll do better if we collectively work together.

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  Here's, here's one that could be interesting.

• 1:00:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause we're all losing.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  Okay. Happy New Year exclamation point.

• 1:00:43David Imel?

  Oh, no.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  2024 will be the year of blank.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  That's Threads. That's, it's gotta be Threads.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  Threads?

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, like you think Threads is saying like this is the year of Threads?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  The ultra generic ones are just the Threads.

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. It was like an underline too. Like they were saying like, please.

• 1:00:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:58David Imel?

  Being Threads.

• 1:00:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see it being Threads. Guess they're hoping you put Threads in there and they wanted this to be the year of Threads over Twitter.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  2024?

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  2024 will be the year of.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:01:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  Definitely. So it's Threads on the official Threads account.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Mark has, you tweeted that.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

• 1:01:17David Imel?

  Mark is like, that's engagement bait for sure.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  That's just basic engagement bait. That was probably one of my first Threads posts where I was just like, let's see what happens here.

• 1:01:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It was. I went way back. What's the top comment?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Uh, hmm.

• 1:01:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. Stop asking me. These are all screenshots.

• 1:01:33David Imel?

  Gushing granny.

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  Anyway, on a lighter note, next one. Don't forget to floss. Tooth emoji.

• 1:01:41David Imel?

  Threads, 100%.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  I think that could be threads. You think it's a non-dental? This one's not me for sure. You don't think it's like Colgate? No. Don't forget to floss. Do you think it's? Tooth emoji.

• 1:01:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Does the like of the ADA, is it the Dental Association? What is that? American Dental Association?

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  The ADA.

• 1:01:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Do they have a threads account?

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  It's definitely threads. Colgate could be on threads.

• 1:02:02Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll go threads.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Colgate wouldn't tweet something that generic.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  That one was actually you, David. No, it was threads.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  It was threads. Threads. Makes sense.

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  Suspect texts using their fingers instead of thumbs.

• 1:02:14David Imel?

  Wait, suspect?

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  Texts.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  Texts with their fingers instead of their thumbs. Oh, interesting. It's gonna be a software company.

• 1:02:20Andrew Manganelli?

  The FBI.

• 1:02:21David Imel?

  What does it mean suspect?

• 1:02:23Andrew Manganelli?

  The suspect?

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Have you seen that meme where if you're, you're like running after someone and you're supposed to like call out what the police would say if they were chasing you?

• 1:02:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Suspect is wearing a red shirt.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  And then they like roast you.

• 1:02:36David Imel?

  Texts with their fingers. Maybe like a keyboard company because you? Logitech?

• 1:02:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  That's a good guess.

• 1:02:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Who types with their fingers? I feel like the older generation, right?

• 1:02:48David Imel?

  Oh, you like my mom?

• 1:02:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Yeah, like. But who then would be making fun of that? ARP.

• 1:02:59David Imel?

  Andrew, this was you.

• 1:03:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Swift eyes.

• 1:03:03David Imel?

  Swiftkey.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  You're going with Swiftkey?

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Andrew Manganelli?

  That's specifically so you don't use your fingers, you just swipe around with your thumb.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're like saying it's cringe.

• 1:03:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay, cool.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Roasting someone who does.

• 1:03:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree.

• 1:03:14David Imel?

  Swiftkey's owned by Microsoft.

• 1:03:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:03:17David Imel?

  Uh, no, it was Google Pixel account.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Hmm. That's generic enough. I could see that.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  All right, here's, here's an engagement beady one.

• 1:03:25David Imel?

  I'm ready.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  You're booking your dream festival. Who's headlining?

• 1:03:29Andrew Manganelli?

  That's Spotify.

• 1:03:30David Imel?

  The Chainsmokers.

• 1:03:32Andrew Manganelli?

  No, well, we did Spotify already. Who else would be?

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  But we were wrong.

• 1:03:37Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you were right.

• 1:03:38David Imel?

  I was right.

• 1:03:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Like SoundCloud, YouTube Music.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  SoundCloud has one, a threads account. You're booking your dream festival. Who's headlining? Yeah, Apple Music.

• 1:03:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, who's the Fire Fest?

• 1:03:49David Imel?

  YouTube Music.

• 1:03:51Andrew Manganelli?

  All wrong.

• 1:03:52David Imel?

  YouTube Music. It's Live Nation.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Why did you never follow them on threads?

• 1:03:59David Imel?

  Now we're doing their work for them too?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:02David Imel?

  Okay, last one.

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  Last one, are you ready guys?

• 1:04:04David Imel?

  Yep, yep.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  Take a moment to remember hashtag Pearl Harbor with us.

• 1:04:09David Imel?

  There's no way.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  What, too soon?

• 1:04:16David Imel?

  Google Maps.

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  Okay, anyone else?

• 1:04:18Andrew Manganelli?

  History Channel.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  It was SpaghettiOs.

• 1:04:22David Imel?

  No way.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  And they had to apologize the next day. And they posted a picture of a smiling SpaghettiO holding an American flag.

• 1:04:30David Imel?

  No way.

• 1:04:31Andrew Manganelli?

  No way.

• 1:04:34David Imel?

  Just made it out of drafts?

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Still wanna cut this?

• 1:04:41David Imel?

  See, this is what I was looking for. I was looking for these just like insane, someone save us from this.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Be more generic, you gotta be, yeah.

• 1:04:50David Imel?

  Wow. You know, in 2015, I made a new Instagram account because I realized that on my old Instagram account, I was just following a bunch of brands. And I was like, why am I signing up to have this experience? And that's what threads often feels like.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, my homepage in threads right now, the top post is threads saying, we're here for you. And then Weather Channel, who says, wouldn't you like to know, weather boy?

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, wait, you've seen that video, right?

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Speaker 04

  Okay, nevermind, I love, that's one of my favorite videos on the internet, period.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Weather Channel, perfect.

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  Anyway, shall we, uh, trivet up?

• 1:05:28David Imel?

  Shall we SU7?

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  Shall we, oh, that's good, that's what they should name their, uh, their, their, that would actually be funny, Shall We?

• 1:05:36David Imel?

  That's why I said it.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, anyway, so now that we've already intro'd it, uh, what is the name of Xiaomi's AI assistant? Do we actually, oh yeah, I have to read them, yeah, yeah, sorry, wait, let me just.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  A, Zhao AI, B, Squiggly, C, God King Handsome, or D, SU7? And again, SU7 is the name of their hit EV, and it is an anthropomorphized car in the style of the movie Cars, with eyes and a tongue.

• 1:06:13David Imel?

  Why the tongue? I like how you don't say mouth. What does he do with the tongue?

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  Cars kinda all like naturally have mouths, right? Like you look at the grill and it's like eyes, you know, but. I just feel like that's the defi- I mean,

• 1:06:26Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  Lightning the Queen literally wins a Piston Cup with his tongue in Cars One if we're keeping score.

• 1:06:34David Imel?

  That's actually a good point.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I thought.

• 1:06:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Flip him and read?

• 1:06:39Speaker 04

  All right. Who, uh, Marquez, why don't you go first? We all did something different.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  I picked C, God, King, Handsome.

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  Uh, unfortunately, no, I made that up.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Dang it.

• 1:06:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I said Squiggly.

• 1:06:49Speaker 04

  I made that up too. That would be a very silly name for NAI. And David, you picked?

• 1:06:54David Imel?

  I said A, Xiao.

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  Uh, Xiao AI is correct. Also, sometimes referred to as Super Xiao AI.

• 1:07:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It'd be too much sense.

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, so David, You had another better marker? Congratulations on your 14th point.

• 1:07:07David Imel?

  It's okay. I fell behind, uh, at the live show for saying 81 instead of 80, so I need this.

• 1:07:13Speaker 04

  You flew too close to the sun.

• 1:07:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I fell behind the minute we started trivia this season.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  It's okay. You did so well last season, Andrew. I think, uh, someone needed to, you know, take you down a peg.

• 1:07:23David Imel?

  That's true. You carried the one.

• 1:07:25Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true.

• 1:07:27Speaker 04

  Anyway, Adam? Or do you want to do my question?

• 1:07:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, what was your question?

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  My question was Typhoon, Supernova, Revolution, Distortion, Solar Flare, and Sangrita Blast are all flavors of what?

• 1:07:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Locked in.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  That's crazy how fast you answered that. That's crazy. Okay, it leads me to believe it's probably this.

• 1:07:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I love it, because I'm pretty sure that just messed with Marquez.

• 1:08:00David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:08:01David Imel?

  Shoot.

• 1:08:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm hoping.

• 1:08:03David Imel?

  It's probably Kool-Aid or something. Tea, tea flavors?

• 1:08:08Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:08:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I hope I'm right.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  All right, David and I both said-

• 1:08:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm wrong, aren't I?

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  David and I-

• 1:08:19David Imel?

  Mountain Dew, baby!

• 1:08:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh my god!

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  I thought you were pulling the G Fuel out of nowhere.

• 1:08:24David Imel?

  Not G Fuel. Wow. Wow. It would make sense.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, Andrew. I tried.

• 1:08:31David Imel?

  Look, if you have Baja Blast, it infers Sengret Blast.

• 1:08:35Speaker 04

  They were all limited edition flavors. I'm sorry. Solar flare was only available at 7-Eleven.

• 1:08:41David Imel?

  That's dope.

• 1:08:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Do, Code Red, LiveWire, Voodoo, Spark.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  I wanted deeper cuts. I wanted deeper cuts. I was trying to weed out the, the, the non-believers.

• 1:08:53David Imel?

  G Fuel would have been a deep cut.

• 1:08:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought, I thought you were just coming back with the G Fuel randomly.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  Now, if it was G Fuel, it would have been things like Blood Plasma and Toji.

• 1:09:02David Imel?

  G Fuel is the OG waveform listeners.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, Mercury.

• 1:09:06David Imel?

  Mercury.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Are we leaving this all in?

• 1:09:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I honestly don't know where I would cut it, so I think we have to.

• 1:09:11David Imel?

  Of course it's in.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  It's in.

• 1:09:12David Imel?

  Why would it be out? That's part of the podcast.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Wait, do you want to ask a question? Okay.

• 1:09:18David Imel?

  What is the name?

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  I feel bad, Adam.

• 1:09:19David Imel?

  What's my mother's maiden name?

• 1:09:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Dave.

• 1:09:22David Imel?

  David.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  And that'll do it for this week. We know all the answers to all the questions now. We also talked about a bunch of stuff. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you haven't already watched the South by Southwest episode, go check it out. It's in the feed. It's on your YouTube page. If you haven't subscribed already, then it's not on your YouTube page. Subscribe. It'll show up on your YouTube page. Thanks for watching. See you next week. Peace.

• 1:09:45David Imel?

  Goodbye.

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  Bingo.

• 1:09:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Sorensen. We're partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro to our music was created by Vane Sil.

• 1:09:54Speaker 04

  Bingo.

• 1:09:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I needed G Fuel.

• 1:10:09David Imel?

  I owe yes.

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