Phones Are Finally Fun Again!

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David first dig into all of the weird products that are coming out of Mobile World Congress 2025! Topics range from solar smartphones to briefcase displays and extra long laptops. There are a ton of weird gadgets and it's great. Then, they go over all of the new Apple products that were released before talking a little about YouTube Premium Lite and Google Fi. There's a lot to get into in this one! Enjoy! Links: Android Authority - Xiaomi's modular phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrcGz3ur-bE Verge - Sony QX10 and QX100 review: https://youtu.be/-F5D-7WRA8o?si=PaJmopfPVsbR7CC7 Verge Nubia Music 2 Article: https://www.theverge.com/news/616633/mwc-2025-news-products-announcements DesignBoom - Samsung Briefcase display: https://www.designboom.com/technology/samsung-flexible-screens-stretch-foldable-briefcase-gaming-devices-mwc-2025-03-05-2025/ 9to5Google - Techno Spark Slim: https://9to5google.com/2025/03/05/tecno-spark-slim-hands-on/ Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:29Speaker 01

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• 1:31David Imel?

  Okay, here's the move. Here's the move. Okay, there is this parkhouse in my neighborhood that I go to that's outside, and I sometimes work on my laptop outside.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  Wait, there's a what?

• 1:40David Imel?

  Parkhouse. It's like, it used to be a government... It doesn't matter. It's just an outside building. Sorry.

• 1:48David Imel?

  It doesn't matter.

• 1:48Speaker 03

  Wait, are you outside or are you in a building?

• 1:50David Imel?

  Outside, but the building is next to outside.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  Aren't all buildings outside?

• 1:53David Imel?

  I don't know, man.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez.

• 2:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 2:06David Imel?

  And I'm David.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  And in today's episode, we just have a lot of stuff. MWC was this past week, basically. I think it might be finishing up by the time you listen to this, but it was a pretty good one in that there was just a ton of stuff showing off, especially in the smartphone world, but in others too. Great. And also, Apple decided to sneaky drop two press releases this week, some press release product announcements, and we had products that we reviewed on the channel. It's a good time, there's a lot.

• 2:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis this morning came up and was like, "It feels good to have like, a product podcast episode today." And I was like, "Oh yeah, we do. It's like, only products today."

• 2:43David Imel?

  Yeah. Oh, just wait. Just wait. There's something that's not a product that I'm very excited about.

• 2:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That will come towards the end.

• 2:51David Imel?

  You gotta wait for the end.

• 2:52Andrew Manganelli?

  There's the hook, baby.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  But first of all, okay, if you're listening to this on Friday, we're on our way to South by Southwest, and that's where we will be doing, like we've mentioned, our first ever live podcast on the Vox stage at 10 a.m. on Saturday. 10 a.m. Central time, obviously if you're there, feel free to hop on over. For those who aren't, we will be publishing it as a bonus episode, so you'll be able to hear it. We'll have some like, live, fun, studio, audience interaction, hopefully. It should be a good time.

• 3:19Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're there, please come. We need an audience.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'd be pretty embarrassing if we showed up and nobody else showed up. That would also be sad.

• 3:27David Imel?

  We do podcasting for ourselves.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if any of you guys are actually there, see you there. But yeah, I think we should just jump right in, because there's a lot to cover. And I feel like if we don't jump right in, we'll never get to the end.

• 3:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Agreed.

• 3:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  So, okay, first thing, Xiaomi modular camera phone lens thing. This is MWC material.

• 3:47David Imel?

  Yes. Okay, for those that don't know, Mobile World Congress, big technology trade show, a few months after CES, generally specifically focused around phones, and then more recently smart home stuff. So there's always a lot of smart home stuff, but this year in particular, this kind of feels like old CES levels of smartphone weirdness.

• 4:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I love it so much from what I've seen.

• 4:08David Imel?

  Yes, lots of concepts, lots of strange devices, lots of solar powered technology, weirdly enough.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  For each one of these things, we should figure out and just establish if it's a real product or not.

• 4:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you can blanket say no to that.

• 4:21David Imel?

  It's like no on most of them. There are some.

• 4:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, we should very quickly run through them. And there's essentially a gimmick to everyone. Yeah. Let's try and see who we think would use this gimmick. Or if we think anyone would use the gimmick. And very quick, I think David's gonna have more than a few quick thoughts on the first one. That's why I put it first.

• 4:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:40Andrew Manganelli?

  But everything under that's a bit quicker.

• 4:42David Imel?

  Okay.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So Xiaomi says, we can attach an entire smartphone camera, or bigger than a smartphone camera, and bigger than smartphone optics to the back of your smartphone with some pins.

• 4:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  And so you can take these great pictures. And then when you're done, you just take it off the back of your phone, put it back in your pocket, and you have a regular Xiaomi phone. It's not the first time we've seen this concept before.

• 5:04David Imel?

  No.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  I have vivid memories of two of them. One of them was a Sony version of this, like the QX100 back in the day, which is literally the same thing. Like, everyone knows the RX100.

• 5:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  It was a little sensor with a lens that you slapped on the back of your Sony phone, and the Sony phone became the viewfinder. And you have a nice camera.

• 5:19David Imel?

  Very cool.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  And then, what was that? There was like a Hasselblad Moto mod.

• 5:23David Imel?

  There's a Hasselblad Moto mod. There was the Samsung phone that just was a camera.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Oh, this Galaxy camera?

• 5:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we've seen versions of this before. Um, this is Xiaomi's version, 100 megapixels, big lens, f1.4 wide open to f11.

• 5:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Uh, roughly 35 millimeter prime focal length, not a zoom. And then these pins are super powerful. So they built a phone so you can transfer 10 gigabits per second. So you get like real time viewfinder, all the information from your lens.

• 5:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a cool idea.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yes. Um, they said it's a 4/3 type sensor, which I don't really know if that means micro 4/3s, or if that is sort of the 1.0 type kinda situation.

• 6:04David Imel?

  Sounds like it's a little...

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Probably smaller.

• 6:06David Imel?

  If I'm doing straight math, it's bigger than the 1.0 type sensor.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Yes, definitely.

• 6:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It means 4/3 ish.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 6:12David Imel?

  Ish.

• 6:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is 4/3 vibes.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Which is what 1.0 type is as well.

• 6:16David Imel?

  It's also vibes.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Not an inch.

• 6:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, the cool thing about this is it's like a physical lens that has the sensor in the lens. And then it transfers via these PogoPins at 10 gigabits per second, which is very cool.

• 6:28David Imel?

  And I find that super interesting. I wish it was not 100 megapixels. The reason they're probably doing that is because it's not a zoom lens and that way you can crop into the center of the sensor, but then you have pixel pitch issues, which means you're not getting as much light per pixel. So that's a whole thing. However, again, micro four thirds type is definitely bigger than one inch. And if you can just like slap it on the back of your phone, the question becomes, and again, this is a concept. So it's not actually coming out right now.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:58David Imel?

  The question then becomes just like with the Moto Mods, where they actually did keep releasing Moto Mods and being able to use Moto Mods on newer Motorola phones for a few generations, but they did eventually give up on it. So the question then becomes, do you want to buy a lens for a system of smartphones that you're not sure how long they're going to actually support it for? That's the question. Cause when you buy a regular lens for like a Leica camera or like a Canon camera, you assume you're going to be able to use it basically forever, especially with adapters. This is so proprietary.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29David Imel?

  That you're not sure.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Very one-off accessory type vibes.

• 7:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I think what's cool about it versus like the QX100 was that had like a little clamp on it where this is, so the pogo pins are just for the file transfer. It connects magnetically, actually, almost like MagSafe. It's literally a circle puck on like the back and like the lens aspect of it, I know you said the sensor's in it. This is basically a standalone camera that you control with your phone and then transfers so quickly. But yeah, if you were to buy this and then lose or like the next Xiaomi phone you like doesn't have those pins on it, then you don't, you just have this like standalone camera you can't really control unless you still have the phone.

• 8:05David Imel?

  Well, Xiaomi has a sub-brand called Realme and they also did a camera concept phone, which was similar but different in that it basically had the sensor on the back of the phone, if I understand this correctly.

• 8:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like inside the camera bump.

• 8:19David Imel?

  Right. And then you, they had a mount where you could actually mount existing lenses from other camera brands to the back of it. And then just condense the light onto that, which is like similar to what the Red Hydrogen was supposed to do.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Oh man, that phone. Yeah.

• 8:35David Imel?

  Yeah. I got very excited for that because it was supposed to take like. Fuji lenses and stuff and then they just never made the adapter.

• 8:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  There is all those pins on the back of the hydrogen and then never. They didn't use anything.

• 8:45Andrew Manganelli?

  For anything.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Damn. Yep.

• 8:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I added this one because it felt more like an in between of of like cool external thing that's not caring. Because everyone that I read that used the real lens on the Realme one was like, the balance of this is just so bad. It's like you're just just holding a cine lens with a phone like on the back of it.

• 9:03David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean, there's no way that you could use like a zoom lens or a telephoto lens because it would just the balance would be insane. You'd be holding the lens with your hand and then just like tapping on the phone as the screen. Which is what some cameras are like nowadays anyway, too. But yeah, overall, I think the idea is like super cool. And I love the idea that you're like hiking and all if you have to do is carry some lenses with you and you can just slap on whatever lens you want onto the back of your phone. I think that's very cool.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Devil's advocate, if you're gonna pack a bunch of lenses.

• 9:32David Imel?

  Why not just pack a body?

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, just pack a camera.

• 9:35David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean, there are some benefits, like phones have much more computational photography chops than cameras do these days, which could be for the best, could be for the worst, obviously. But also you immediately have the images on your phone. It goes through the same pipeline. You can share them to social immediately.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:54David Imel?

  Was it Sigma who made the camera that had like Lightroom built into it and you could share to Instagram instantly?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  I remember what you're talking about. I don't know who made it.

• 10:02David Imel?

  I can't remember who that was.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  But then there's like some half baked like like Sony has an app you can put on your Sony Alpha phone.

• 10:10Andrew Manganelli?

  The old Alpha.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  And on your camera and it'll like Wi Fi connect them and you can download the picture from the camera like some of that stuff works okay.

• 10:16David Imel?

  But it's bad.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  It's not good.

• 10:17David Imel?

  It's bad. Yeah, all camera apps are bad.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  This is true.

• 10:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 10:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so. Yeah, that came out. I think price of lens would be the biggest factor.

• 10:25David Imel?

  Definitely.

• 10:25Andrew Manganelli?

  What what would like entail you wanting to actually get?

• 10:29David Imel?

  Again, especially since you can't use it with anything else. If you upgrade your phone, if you you can't change brands, like there's so many. There's so many factors here.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. That's the one we're gonna talk about the longest.

• 10:40David Imel?

  I was gonna say.

• 10:40Andrew Manganelli?

  No, do not worry. No, I I put that up front because when I I the first thing in this document was me and Slack saying. David, I know you have thoughts on this. Get ready to talk about it on the pod. The rest of these will be really fast. In fact, have you guys heard of the company Nubia?

• 10:56David Imel?

  Oh, have I?

• 10:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Really? I've never heard of them.

• 10:58David Imel?

  Definitely.

• 10:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Because I'm an idiot.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  They make a lot of weird phones.

• 11:00David Imel?

  No, it's not weird that you haven't heard of them. They make a lot of weirdo.

• 11:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, here's two weird phones that I saw at Mobile Congress. The first one.

• 11:06David Imel?

  Sorry, real phone or concept phone?

• 11:09Andrew Manganelli?

  These might actually, one of these I think is a concept. One of these I think is real.

• 11:13David Imel?

  The Music 2 is real.

• 11:14Andrew Manganelli?

  The Music 2 has a, it's a predecessor.

• 11:16David Imel?

  Okay.

• 11:18Andrew Manganelli?

  So, okay, so the Nubia Focus 2 Ultra on the back has a spinning dial around the circular camera bump that lets you adjust the camera's zoom. Is it real?

• 11:27David Imel?

  Yes.

• 11:28Andrew Manganelli?

  They say it's really easy to move in landscape mode, or sorry, in portrait mode. And I think it's actually kind of neat because I hate circle camera bumps. So if you can add a nice, if it feels nice, a spinning wheel, if I'm thinking of like Galaxy Watch Classic with that really nice spinning bezel.

• 11:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that would be pretty awesome.

• 11:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Andrew Manganelli?

  And if it's mappable to other things.

• 11:50David Imel?

  That'd be cool.

• 11:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 11:51David Imel?

  Like volume.

• 11:52Speaker 03

  Dude, a DJ app?

• 11:56David Imel?

  That'd be dope.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  I kind of like that. Yeah.

• 11:58Andrew Manganelli?

  So the other one is called the Music 2, which I'm almost positive is real. But I just had to see it. One, because it looks wild and two, because Dominic Preston at The Verge titled this little subject, "The Most Annoying Phone Ever Made Adds AI."

• 12:12David Imel?

  Hell, yeah.

• 12:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is, you can't not click that article.

• 12:15David Imel?

  So what's the concept here?

• 12:17Andrew Manganelli?

  So the Nubia Music has a, two cameras and then what feels like a camera bump, but is actually a speaker on the back of it to play music out loud. They claim it plays music at 600% louder than the average phone.

• 12:30David Imel?

  Oh, my God.

• 12:30Andrew Manganelli?

  And then Nubia Music 2 now adds LEDs and an AI music generator.

• 12:38David Imel?

  So you can just get on the subway and just generate terrible music to annoy people with.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  And then yell, "You're the first people who have ever heard this."

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, I, I don't like this one.

• 12:49Andrew Manganelli?

  No, okay. It looks cool. It has this like cool comic, like cel shaded box grid on the back as the pattern, and I think it looks pretty sweet.

• 12:58David Imel?

  I think that I do like it for the reasons where you don't want to carry a Bluetooth speaker with you to the beach and you can just use your phone. I think that's cool.

• 13:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see, I mean, there are times where I don't want a Bluetooth speaker. The opposite of that is if you're at a national park and you're playing like music out loud on this.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I will throw you off the bridge.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, I guess the question is, how often are you wanting a Bluetooth speaker? Versus like, I would like to buy a phone that is specifically good at blasting music, so I don't need a Bluetooth speaker.

• 13:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you know what I'm realizing?

• 13:34Speaker 01

  What?

• 13:34Andrew Manganelli?

  The Moto G had G Play, right? With the back mods, had a JBL speaker also. Are these just all taking all the old Moto mods and turning them into singular phones instead?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Moto mods were ahead of their time.

• 13:46David Imel?

  Oh, they were way ahead of their time.

• 13:47Andrew Manganelli?

  They were.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, interesting.

• 13:49David Imel?

  They lasted a while, but they did eventually die.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  I would say that this phone looks horrible. I would just throw that in there.

• 13:56David Imel?

  It definitely looks like an old comic strip, for sure. So it's, it's gonna be controversial.

• 14:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I dig it.

• 14:02David Imel?

  Okay.

• 14:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Next.

• 14:03David Imel?

  Next.

• 14:04Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of these are just like literally what I say out loud and the picture is all of the information we have. This included, this is the Samsung flexible briefcase. I know, right? So I feel like Samsung saw the LG Standby Me.

• 14:16David Imel?

  Go.

• 14:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause it looks very similar from the outside.

• 14:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:19Andrew Manganelli?

  And when you open the briefcase, it's just a giant folding screen.

• 14:24David Imel?

  Yes.

• 14:26Andrew Manganelli?

  They would not let anyone touch it.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Of course not.

• 14:28David Imel?

  That's funny.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Cause it's not real.

• 14:30David Imel?

  Cause it will break when you touch it.

• 14:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Probably. There's, there's no stands as far as anyone can tell, so I don't even know how you open it up. But in my eyes, just like the Standby Me Go, this just to me feels like the new crypto way of opening up a briefcase full of money.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Crypto?

• 14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  You know what's funny? Because it's on a screen instead.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or like, here's your NFT. No, this would be good, this would be good as a prop for YouTube. Cause you know that like moment in a video where like someone opens a briefcase and whatever's inside glows onto their face?

• 14:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  You just load it up with a yellow PNG.

• 15:02David Imel?

  Oh.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  And you got that moment right there. This is a video prop.

• 15:05Andrew Manganelli?

  For eight times the price that it would cost for like a little aperture light.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Battery dies and yeah, this is.

• 15:11David Imel?

  This is hilarious and useless, but good job Samsung.

• 15:14Andrew Manganelli?

  But inside that same booth, Samsung showed a prototype of a folding gaming handheld.

• 15:20David Imel?

  Let's go.

• 15:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Imagine a switch that folds in half and the way they deal with the joysticks is the extra D-pad and like A/B buttons. Look indented in so the joystick can fit inside it when it folds.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it looks horrible.

• 15:32Andrew Manganelli?

  So it can be flat, the buttons look terrible.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:35Andrew Manganelli?

  But if they were good.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  I.

• 15:38David Imel?

  I don't know, man.

• 15:39Speaker 05

  Really?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  The only reason this would be cool is if you can fit it in your pocket.

• 15:43David Imel?

  Yeah, which I don't think-

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Cause you can't fit a switch in your pocket, or a Steam Deck or anything in your pocket. But if you could fold it in half, and then actually fit it in your pocket, that would be cool, but I don't think you can.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  I still think this would save space inside your backpack, unlike a plane. If the switch could fold in half.

• 15:56David Imel?

  But is that worth the crease in the center of your screen?

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're already bringing a backpack at that point.

• 16:02David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Just-

• 16:03Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Just bring a switch.

• 16:05Speaker 05

  I don't, I, yeah.

• 16:06David Imel?

  I have what I call my emotional security backpack. And by that, I mean, I never leave anywhere without my backpack. It always has a battery bank in it, it always has my laptop, it always has a Bluetooth speaker, and it always has a small towel.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  So you don't need Moda Mods?

• 16:22David Imel?

  No.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  And you don't need, is it, is there extra space in there?

• 16:25David Imel?

  There's extra space. Um, the downside is that my spine is compressed.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  So maybe you need Moda Mods, so you don't need the backpack.

• 16:35David Imel?

  That's true, that's true. So, I could fit my switch in my backpack, is what I'm saying. And I'm not sure that I would need a folded switch, but, yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 05

  I'd be there for it.

• 16:44David Imel?

  Okay.

• 16:45Speaker 05

  But it sounds like I'm the only one.

• 16:46David Imel?

  I would like to see it in person.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  I just think logically speaking, if you're adding a folding screen, you're adding cost and complexity. You're also splitting the battery in half, and you're doing a whole bunch of other complicated things.

• 16:57David Imel?

  Could be better, cause then you could charge it twice as fast.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  So this thing will cost more than a regular version of a handheld gaming console. So you really have to want to fold it in half for some reason, to pay for this.

• 17:09Speaker 05

  Adam looks like he wants it. The main reason I don't carry around my switch is because it's just a little too big. Like, it's just-

• 17:17Speaker 01

  So you have a perfect light.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  I've been debating it for that reason. Like, I think the switch is the perfect size when you're using it. But when I'm carrying it around, it's just a little weird in my bag, cause it's like, it's too small to be in a big bag, but it's too big to fit in any of the little pockets.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  You're the perfect Switch Lite customer, my friend.

• 17:35Speaker 05

  I know, yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  You are. You're also potentially the perfect fanny pack customer.

• 17:39David Imel?

  Oh, shoot.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Consider that.

• 17:41Speaker 05

  Wait, a fanny pack just for a switch is like the most baller move ever?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Just throwing that out there. Just saying.

• 17:48Speaker 05

  What you got in there?

• 17:50David Imel?

  A switch and a zen.

• 17:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, next, we're gonna talk about Lenovo, because we talked about them a couple of times. And I think Lenovo is the new LG at this point, with some of the stuff they're throwing out there.

• 18:06David Imel?

  They're going that crazy.

• 18:08Andrew Manganelli?

  They are. This is the Lenovo ThinkBook Flip, which reminds me of, I think, a previous Lenovo.

• 18:15David Imel?

  The rollable.

• 18:15Andrew Manganelli?

  The rollable one. So it's essentially a laptop that can turn into a portrait screen, essentially twice the height of a regular screen. But in this case, it happens by, you fold open the laptop, and then if you imagine your normal screen, there's also a screen on the back, because that folds upwards to make an extra tall monitor.

• 18:35David Imel?

  And this definitely won't scratch a ton.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, what? So you close it by folding it back over itself?

• 18:42David Imel?

  But then you have a tablet.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then you have to put that in your bag. I guess, okay.

• 18:46David Imel?

  And when you're using the tablet, you won't have to feel the keys on the back.

• 18:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Honestly?

• 18:50Speaker 01

  This looks hilarious wide open, with the screen up.

• 18:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Just being in a coffee shop and having the tallest laptop of all time.

• 18:57David Imel?

  The barista's like, "What would you like?" And I'm like, "Sorry, I can't see you."

• 19:00Speaker 01

  On a plane, this would get crushed.

• 19:03David Imel?

  Someone would lean their seat back, and your screen would just break in half.

• 19:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I do, I like the rollable one better, because I want to be at the coffee shop, and someone's staring at me, and it just like, it rolls up, becomes like the divider.

• 19:13David Imel?

  And the rollable one is actually for sale now.

• 19:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it really?

• 19:15David Imel?

  You can actually buy it. Yeah.

• 19:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, man. Lenovo, if you hear this, I, please, on the podcast, I just want to be talking as my screen rolls up and blocks me.

• 19:25Speaker 05

  Picture walking into a coffee shop, and you see some dude sitting there with the portrait laptop, and he's also wearing like a really tall 10-gallon hat, and everything he's doing is just like, god dang it.

• 19:37David Imel?

  Yep.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 19:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I love it.

• 19:39David Imel?

  18-inch tall display. 35, yeah, the rollable is $3,500, but you can buy it.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Is the balance not terrible when you open? Does it not want to flop over?

• 19:47David Imel?

  Yeah, brother.

• 19:49Andrew Manganelli?

  You gotta make sacrifices sometimes.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, okay.

• 19:52Speaker 05

  Well, that's what's wrong with all existing laptops, right, is they're not portrait.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  True.

• 19:59David Imel?

  Right? Am I right, guys?

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Okay, here's what I would do. I would flip it open and then set it sideways because the keyboard becomes a kickstand. And then you have a full 16 by 9, like, larger screen that you can watch content on. But then you have to type like this. You gotta make sacrifice.

• 20:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Bluetooth keyboard.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have another keyboard.

• 20:20David Imel?

  That's already how David puts his laptop on the floor. When I'm working, or when I'm doing something else, I just put my laptop like this.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Wow. It's an, it's an idea. Look, Lenovo, I'm not gonna say don't keep trying things, but this one, you can move on from.

• 20:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you want me to try and sell you on the other one?

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Sure. Uh oh.

• 20:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. They also made a solar power laptop.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 20:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Where the whole back is solar panels to help charge.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  There are so many reasons. I, I feel, every time I talk about solar panels, I feel like the biggest hater. I want solar panels to work, but think about where you use a laptop. In the sun.

• 20:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  If you ever use a laptop in a place where there's so much sun that it can power your laptop.

• 21:02David Imel?

  It's gonna overheat.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Number one, you can't see your screen. Number two, your solar panels are not facing the sky. They're, they're facing down.

• 21:10David Imel?

  That's actually a good point. You have to have it closed and sitting in the sun.

• 21:13Andrew Manganelli?

  You're telling me.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  You could bring a bounce.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  You're right. You could. Bring a bounce with you.

• 21:18Andrew Manganelli?

  You're telling me you don't like doing all your work on that really little bar they cram into the front glass of like every coffee shop? And then you also wanna have your laptop like this?

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Facing the sun to keep it alive? Okay, here's the move. Here's the move. Okay. There is this parkhouse in my neighborhood that I go to that's outside, and I sometimes work on my laptop outside.

• 21:35David Imel?

  Wait, there's a what?

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Parkhouse. It's like, it used to be a gov- it doesn't matter. It's just an outside building.

• 21:45David Imel?

  Are you outside or are you in a building?

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Outside, but the building is next to.

• 21:48David Imel?

  Aren't all buildings outside?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  I don't know, man.

• 21:50David Imel?

  I was gonna say.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Okay, regardless, there are benches outside the building.

• 21:54David Imel?

  Yes.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Which are part of the building.

• 21:56David Imel?

  Yes.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Some, sort of, and you can, I work there sometimes. Okay, that's all that matters. The move, okay, they also sell coffee inside the building, though, okay, so the move.

• 22:05Speaker 05

  So the building's a coffee shop?

• 22:08Speaker 01

  And other stuff. They also sell other stuff. Okay, so you work on the bench outside.

• 22:12David Imel?

  Bench outside.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Until your laptop gets really low battery.

• 22:15David Imel?

  Uh huh.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  And then you call your friend and you say, wanna come have some coffee with me? You close the lid of your laptop, you have a coffee for an hour, and then you get one more hour of video playback when you reopen your laptop.

• 22:26Speaker 05

  Realistically, you probably get about 4% battery.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Yes, that's always the thing people see, they see solar panels and they think they're gonna get a ton of energy from them. Lenovo is quoting that 20 minutes of sun gives it one hour of video playback. 20 minutes of sun.

• 22:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Can give it one hour. I love, okay, that's great.

• 22:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  That's way better.

• 22:47David Imel?

  Video playback is the easiest possible thing for computers to do.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  They are using video playback for a reason, but 20 minutes, that means, okay, I'm about to die, close it for 20 minutes, max sun exposure, laptop's heating up, hold it up to the sun, here we go, 20 minutes like this.

• 23:02David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  And now you can open it up and use your laptop theoretically for another hour.

• 23:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  That's really cool. There's definitely gonna be some extra weight on the back for all the solar panel stuff and all the electronics and the glass.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  I would devil's advocate, say that if you put a bigger battery in the laptop, that would be a better use of extra weight and space.

• 23:22David Imel?

  Yeah, but if it's already 100 watt hours and you can only bring 100 watt hours on the plane.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  Checkmate.

• 23:29David Imel?

  Checkmate.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  Got him.

• 23:30David Imel?

  You're on a plane, you have an outlet next to you.

• 23:32Speaker 05

  Okay, wait, I have a use case for this.

• 23:34David Imel?

  Okay.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  What if it just keeps the laptop at its current battery level?

• 23:38David Imel?

  But how would you do that when the lid is gonna be like?

• 23:40Speaker 05

  Not me, like you close it, like you know how like, if you keep it in standby mode, it'll slowly just like drain over time, what if it doesn't?

• 23:46David Imel?

  Theoretically, it's supposed to drain extremely slowly.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  Have you used a Windows laptop recently?

• 23:51David Imel?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 23:52Speaker 05

  Also, not, not all airplanes charge your laptop anymore, even with outlets. A lot of them now are rated, I forget what they're rated to, but like, it's a specific wattage, so like, if you plug my big Chungus 87 watt MacBook charger into them, it'll just be like, I'm not charging this, bro.

• 24:07David Imel?

  I did go on a plane that charged a 240 watt.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 24:11David Imel?

  Yeah, that was crazy. But some, usually they short, yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 05

  They don't short, it's just like, they say like that's-

• 24:17Speaker 01

  So there's a situation where you have a long flight and a hundred watt hour laptop that you charge to a hundred percent and you're going to use this laptop for so long during this flight-

• 24:25David Imel?

  Yes.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  That-

• 24:27David Imel?

  Yes.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Your battery's gonna die, so you hold it up to the plane-

• 24:29Andrew Manganelli?

  And you have a window seat, yeah.

• 24:32David Imel?

  Imagine you're flying to Singapore, right? It's the longest flight from New York City.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 24:36David Imel?

  And you're like chasing the sun. So it never gets dark.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  You have to fly during the daytime.

• 24:41David Imel?

  You got unlimited battery power for your video playback.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:45David Imel?

  Every twenty, every hour, you close it for twenty minutes, you hold it, you put it back down.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Sir? What do you-

• 24:53David Imel?

  I think this is a billion dollar idea.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  I want solar panels to be more efficient so these ideas don't sound so ridiculous.

• 24:59David Imel?

  I think they're getting better.

• 24:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, don't worry, if you're not into solar panels-

• 25:02David Imel?

  There's another solar panel.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  They made a gas powered phone?

• 25:08David Imel?

  I mean, it's like the Rivian, right? It's an electric car with a- Oh no, sorry, the Scout Motors.

• 25:12Andrew Manganelli?

  The Scout Motors.

• 25:13David Imel?

  It's an electric car with a gas powered generator.

• 25:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, Infinix also came out with a solar charging phone.

• 25:19David Imel?

  Let's go.

• 25:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Where the back of it is a solar panel.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Two watts?

• 25:22David Imel?

  Same exact thing, okay, yeah. And what is the max power?

• 25:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It says- Two watts. Basically, all they said is up to two watts, and they also had to create something called maximum power point tracking because the problem with heating your phone up is the sun is it causes overheating and they also have to manage maximum power generating efficiency while also managing-

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Overheating-

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:43Andrew Manganelli?

  On your phone.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  There's a reason why these things don't ship. Uh, it's a cool idea in theory, it's a great way of imagining efficiency and free energy. It just doesn't work very often. But we, we had the, remember the Prius from back in the day? We had a couple of years ago reviewed the new Prius, and it had a solar roof option.

• 26:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  That's the best I've ever seen it work because it had a battery and we could leave it sitting outside in New Jersey for several days and gain a few miles of really usable range. Which is like, okay, if you live in California or somewhere where you can park every day outside at work, like you can actually gain free driving energy.

• 26:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  It's the best I've ever seen it work.

• 26:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Fisker, it didn't work very well.

• 26:24David Imel?

  Right.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  We've had other solar things that are concepts that don't work very well. So it's just teetering. I did a video on the solar on my house. That works amazingly well. That is an enormous amount of surface area. So it works. So yeah, a tiny phone is probably the worst case scenario.

• 26:41Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be a good video, though. I use my phone for a week only using the sun.

• 26:46David Imel?

  Two watts?

• 26:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't use it very much.

• 26:50David Imel?

  Yeah, that's, that's the tough thing. I feel like when your phone gets hot, it dies faster. And you have to get the phone hot to get the power back. And I just feel like this is probably negatively efficient.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  If you leave your phone face down outside for an entire day, then the next day, you can use your phone for a little bit.

• 27:05David Imel?

  For two minutes.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, very nice.

• 27:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. I have two, or I have one more and David has one more. The last one is the Spark Slim. It's a concept phone that's 5.75 millimeters thick, while also having a 52 million power battery. So this is kind of like our.

• 27:23David Imel?

  Holy moly.

• 27:24Andrew Manganelli?

  This is our like sneak peek into these new thin phones that we might be seeing.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, 2025 could be the year of the skinny phone. Maybe. I mean, this isn't something. I'm just forecasting because now we have three. We have this, we have Samsung Galaxy Edge, we have rumored iPhone Air. So it's three. But Techno Spark is the first one to show something in person. No, Samsung showed us first. Anyway, this sparked a question that I posted on Twitter. And I want to ask you guys your thoughts on this.

• 27:53Andrew Manganelli?

  No more, because we're not bringing back skinny jeans.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  No, this is, this is a real question. When we consider the thickness of a smartphone, when it's like ultra, ultra razor thin, but then there's a camera bump. Does the camera bump count towards the thickness of the phone?

• 28:09David Imel?

  Only if it's the same thickness as the phone itself.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  So this little Techno Spark, which is five millimeters, it's crazy, crazy thin. It has a camera bump, which makes it like eight millimeters at the camera bump, but nobody talks about that. It's crazy because the rest of the phone is super thin and has 5,200 million bars. Is that, is that, is that cool?

• 28:30David Imel?

  Who cares?

• 28:32Speaker 01

  That's a valid answer.

• 28:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll say what, I have a reason for why it's still beneficial. Because if you put a case on it with the camera bump cut out, the case will still be thinner because the camera bump just follows that.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  So it makes it flush.

• 28:45Andrew Manganelli?

  So it's still thinner than a thick phone with a case on top of it.

• 28:49David Imel?

  Counterpoint.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:51David Imel?

  Why do we need our phones to be thinner?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  We don't.

• 28:55David Imel?

  Nice.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't.

• 28:56David Imel?

  So what if, okay.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  I'm down.

• 28:58David Imel?

  Stay with me.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  I've never heard a person ask for this.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  A thin phone?

• 29:02Speaker 03

  A thinner phone. I've never, I've never seen someone pick up a phone and be like, too thick.

• 29:06David Imel?

  Remember when Apple, remember when Apple decided to make the iPhone thicker? And the battery life got way better and everyone was like, yes. And then now they're doing the opposite and everyone's saying, no. But they're still doing it anyway.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  You know what I wonder? Cause I feel like universally, everyone for years has always said, yeah, make the phone thicker. But then engineers work on these devices and you know, the natural progression of technology kind of feel like thinner is more advanced. You see movie props are super thin. Like everyone thinks that the future should be, it's efficient. And then they make a phone thinner and then they get a bunch of praise when it looks cool. And then they sort of believe that they should keep doing that. I wonder if the like, make a thicker phone with more battery actually sells better than the thinner phone. Like if you could isolate that variable being the only difference.

• 30:00David Imel?

  It's a great question because the number one concern of almost every single consumer is that their devices die too fast. Most people are like, I only want to upgrade my phone because it dies too quickly.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:12David Imel?

  The question becomes, like you said, is that more powerful of a marketing tactic than

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Thinness.

• 30:18David Imel?

  Looks flashy.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Looks cool.

• 30:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like I have two thoughts on that.

• 30:23David Imel?

  Okay.

• 30:23Andrew Manganelli?

  One is, uh, I spaced out. Wait.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Two thoughts.

• 30:29David Imel?

  What if this happens live on the podcast?

• 30:31Andrew Manganelli?

  That's gonna be a problem. I'm gonna need you guys to save me out.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Does the thickness count?

• 30:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I've, I have two thoughts on that. One is I think the perception of new and advanced equal like thinness gives that off. And when you're paying for something super expensive, being new and advanced and that feel of it, whether it it means you literally get worse battery life could be a selling point. Then my other thought is just, is thin phones the new curved edges where we

• 30:59Speaker 05

  Y'all think it feels super great and the new technology and in like three years, we're gonna be like, it actually made.

• 31:06David Imel?

  That's a big question because everyone like heavier phones feel more premium. That is a thing that they have tested. People think that heavier things are more premium.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, the stainless steel iPhone, but.

• 31:20David Imel?

  There's a.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  It's true, but then the next year they go with titanium and it's lighter and they market the lightness as being a better thing.

• 31:26David Imel?

  It's not weird.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  It's weird. I, the one thing I'll leave this on is I, I do think tech in general. I think thinness is actually a proxy for efficiency. When we see something get thinner, but have the same battery life, that means it, it's more efficient with the space it's working with. And I think we want technology to move forward by getting more and more efficient in general.

• 31:47David Imel?

  And staying the same size.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  And if it can get more and more efficient, then that means it can get thinner and thinner and have the same battery life. Or it can stay the same size and have way better battery life, but as long as it's getting more efficient, it's winning. So this techno spark slim is going to fit a silicon carbon battery, I assume.

• 32:03David Imel?

  I hope.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  It's 5200 million powers. It's thinner, but has the same capacity.

• 32:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  That's better efficiency. That looks more high tech to me.

• 32:12David Imel?

  I'm worried that because it's thinner, it's not going to transfer heat as well.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  It's not gonna cool as well.

• 32:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  That's definitely true.

• 32:18David Imel?

  So it will probably die faster.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Probably won't be as performant.

• 32:21David Imel?

  Yeah, that too.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  But.

• 32:23David Imel?

  They're probably under clocking it as well.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  But it looks cool.

• 32:26David Imel?

  Sure.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  My thing with this is, and this is I'm sure what they're going for, because it's like concepts and stuff, but back in the day when they released like the Samsung edge where it was just like one side of it was curved.

• 32:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:37Speaker 05

  I was like, this is.

• 32:38David Imel?

  Six edge.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, the S6 edge. I was like, this is cool, but like, what is, what is this for? Fast forward a decade and it's.

• 32:45David Imel?

  That's what they market it there for.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Fast forward a decade and now we have folding phones, you know? Like, what is this actually for? I don't think that it's thin phones. I think somewhere down the line, we'll have something that makes it worth it. Because we experimented this early.

• 33:00David Imel?

  Well, I think that everything is just a TikTok cycle and you can market anything if you just convince people that it's good.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  It's definitely true. You can go thicker one year and be like, "Look, more battery. Nice." And then the next year you can be like, "Look, it's thinner, it's lighter. Nice." And then the next year it's thicker again. Look.

• 33:16David Imel?

  Exactly.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  So it's totally fair.

• 33:17David Imel?

  That's literally what Corning does every single year.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  With Gorilla Glass?

• 33:20David Imel?

  Yeah, because there's an inverse relationship between scratch proof and crack proof. And every year they're like, "It's 50% more scratch proof." They don't talk about how it's less crack proof. And then the next year, they just do the opposite. And they do that forever.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Can we make an exposed video? Does this?

• 33:35Andrew Manganelli?

  The new DXOMark video?

• 33:36David Imel?

  I'm sure there are like other improvements that they're making to the glass for sure.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Science.

• 33:41David Imel?

  You know.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 33:43David Imel?

  Other thing announced at MWC was the new Xiaomi Buds 5 Pro. And these are just earbuds. They look like OnePlus Buds Pro. You know, they're not that interesting looking. However, in October of 2023, Qualcomm unveiled the new S7 and S7 Pro chipsets, which are Wi-Fi earbud chipsets. And the awesome thing about this is that your earbuds can now connect to your home Wi-Fi. So your phone can be charging in the other room, and you can just have music playback or audio playback coming from the cloud. And this makes a lot of sense because our smart home devices use Wi-Fi for playback. They're not connected to your phone via Bluetooth or anything like that.

• 34:26David Imel?

  So just being able to stream music to your earbuds, I think makes a ton of sense. And I'm very glad that someone is finally releasing them. Unfortunately, right now, these earbuds only work with the Xiaomi 15 and 15 Ultra. They said that it might come to more phones in the future that are using chipsets like the 8Gen 3 or 8 Elite. But for now, only these two phones, which kind of blows.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  Got it. Yeah.

• 34:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Does this feel kind of like Chromecast for earbuds?

• 34:53Speaker 03

  No, it's like Sonos for earbuds.

• 34:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean Chromecast is also like you pick it on one thing and then send it to X other device. And then it's still pulling from the internet. Yeah.

• 35:04David Imel?

  Yeah. Chromecast Audio.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  I think that tech is really cool. I'm struggling to picture a scenario where I'm listening to music on my earbuds and my phone is not with me.

• 35:16David Imel?

  I do this all the time.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Oh, is it going for a run or something?

• 35:20David Imel?

  No.

• 35:20Speaker 05

  Because, well, no, you need Wi-Fi.

• 35:22David Imel?

  On the run.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Right, so how, so you want to control the music, but you don't have your phone?

• 35:26David Imel?

  If I'm charging my phone in the other room, because low battery, but I want to do some stuff in other parts of my apartment. But I'm like lonely and can't like deal with life without audio playing back in my head 24/7?

• 35:39Speaker 05

  Same.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  You're outside of Bluetooth range of your phone.

• 35:41David Imel?

  Yeah, because I live in a railroad apartment where there's like walls every five feet.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 35:46David Imel?

  They're made of, um, is that really toxic material?

• 35:49Speaker 05

  Wait, is this building like outside?

• 35:51David Imel?

  Right.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Well, the building is debatable. I guess, yeah, as long as the Bluetooth, the buds, sorry, as long as the buds have good controls to like, yeah, you know, find, because you're just on whatever playlist you're on. You can't really search for songs or...

• 36:08David Imel?

  Well, or can you?

• 36:09Speaker 01

  I don't know. Maybe you can voice?

• 36:11David Imel?

  I think you do, I can, I think you can do voice commands, same as you could do on regular earbuds.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  I'm basically picturing you have like a Google Home attached to your head.

• 36:17David Imel?

  That's basically what it is.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:19Speaker 05

  My question here is if you go to, you're listening to something, right? You go to the room, you plug in your phone.

• 36:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:25Speaker 05

  You're already listening to something. Can you just walk away and it'll switch to Wi-Fi? Or do you have to like go into the app, select like the AirPlay icon or the Chromecast icon?

• 36:34David Imel?

  When it notices your Wi-Fi network, it just switches to Wi-Fi automatically because the Wi-Fi is actually more efficient.

• 36:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, but will it like pause the audio or stutter or anything like that? That's what I'm curious about.

• 36:44David Imel?

  It'll probably acknowledge before, oh, like if you walk into your apartment.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  If you're switching mid-stream.

• 36:50David Imel?

  Good question, but I feel like that's a very minor thing.

• 36:53Speaker 05

  To you, my podcast cannot be interrupted.

• 36:56David Imel?

  Okay, up until recently, every time you would be streaming YouTube with your phone off, like the screen off, and then you turn the screen on and it started the video playback again, it would like stutter. Did you guys notice that?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  I don't think I noticed that.

• 37:10David Imel?

  No.

• 37:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I've noticed. I've had a million.

• 37:12David Imel?

  Well, they fixed it recently. They fixed it recently where now you can unlock your phone and it just continues and it doesn't do the like. Anyway, I'm just like saying it's the same kind of thing. And while it's minorly annoying, it's not like the end of the world. You know, anyway, I want this.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  Is this a real product?

• 37:27David Imel?

  This is a real product.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:29David Imel?

  Yeah. It's coming out with the Xiaomi 15 and 15 Ultra, which also launched recently.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  So I'll keep an eye out for that. Okay.

• 37:36David Imel?

  Cool beans.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  All right. Well, we got a lot more to get to, obviously, but before we do that, we should take a quick break, which means.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Trivia.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  Just want to say I'm really proud of us for getting through that whole Nubia Music 2 segment and no one made the joke. Wait, they made Music 2?

• 38:00David Imel?

  It's funny.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  Sitting right there and we spared our audience. Anyway. Forget about music.

• 38:09David Imel?

  It's time for music.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  We're gonna ask a modular phone camera accessory attachment question.

• 38:16David Imel?

  Project Aura?

• 38:17Speaker 03

  Project Aura. There goes the question. David already got it. Where's the point? No, I'm just kidding. Um, we've seen plenty of these things over the years. Mark has brought up the Hasselblad Zoom for the Moto.

• 38:29David Imel?

  Moto Z.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  Moto Moto G.

• 38:32David Imel?

  Z series.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  It was bad.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Droid.

• 38:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Um, not that one though. We also want to give a shout out to the LG Cam Plus Grip, if you remember that thing, the like battery grip. Yeah, on the G5.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  G5.

• 38:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, the G5 was ahead of its time too.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Like a G5.

• 38:49David Imel?

  That's right.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  Just like that song.

• 38:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  But.

• 38:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not like a.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  It wasn't the like a G5, it was the LG.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  We are on it today, boys. The very first.

• 39:02David Imel?

  No way.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  You're right. David, two points. No, the very first, uh, a conversion lens, attachment conversion lens that ever came out for a phone. Came out in what year? I'm not going to ask for the phone because it was only available in Korea. But I would would like to know the year that a smart that it's not a smartphone. I guess that'll give you a hint. The year a phone company was like.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  You need a wide-angle slash tele lens conversion kit for your and I'll here I'll give you another hit for your six megapixel camera.

• 39:37David Imel?

  Ooh.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 39:39David Imel?

  Dang.

• 39:40Speaker 03

  Six whole megapixels.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Remember that. This is gonna be before my time. I'm gonna guess this came out before I was reviewing anything.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Before 1993.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Before I reviewed anything.

• 39:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna guess before Ellis was born.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 39:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is only like 13 years ago.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  All right. All right. Well, we'll think about that. The answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 42:18Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. So this next segment is something that I've hidden from you, David. Andrew's already seen this, but it comes in this box. No, it doesn't. This is just a box that it got shipped to us in.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  What, the Sigma?

• 42:31Speaker 01

  This is a Sigma camera. Remember last week we talked about the Sigma BF? And we were all marveling about how cool it looked, but that it might not be ergonomic to hold? Now, we get to find out.

• 42:43David Imel?

  That was an extremely fast turnaround.

• 42:44Andrew Manganelli?

  You're not letting him open it?

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Oh, would you? Yeah.

• 42:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Actually, that's a good idea.

• 42:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, yeah, you should open it.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  You open it, and I want your first impressions, because as far as people in this office goes, you may be the one who has held the most cameras.

• 42:56David Imel?

  That's probably true.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  And, you know, are familiar with camera ergonomics. So I would love you to open this box and give me your immediate impressions of the ergonomics of using this camera.

• 43:06David Imel?

  Okay.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Adam?

• 43:07David Imel?

  Zoom in on my face.

• 43:11David Imel?

  Whoa.

• 43:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It's wrapped, it's wrapped up.

• 43:13David Imel?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 43:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no, it's not.

• 43:15David Imel?

  Whoa, okay. Interesting.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 43:18David Imel?

  These are some first impressions. Definitely front-heavy.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:23David Imel?

  I'm glad that they put the little mini thumb grip on the back. That is handy. Uh, got him. Uh, how do you turn it on?

• 43:33Speaker 01

  That's the first thing all of us struggled with. One of the five buttons is the power button. Oh, I don't tell, I won't.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Nevermind, he knows now.

• 43:39David Imel?

  The one that looks like a record button is the power button?

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:42David Imel?

  That's nice.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:43David Imel?

  Okay, so, ooh, okay. LCD is better than I anticipated. Sub LCD is very cool looking. Okay.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Have any of us used this outdoors yet?

• 43:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 43:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think so.

• 43:57Speaker 05

  Cause I don't know how this LCD does like in sunlight.

• 43:59David Imel?

  Started recording when I hit, when I did that. How do you switch it to shooting mode instead of video?

• 44:05Speaker 01

  I think the three dots is mode.

• 44:08David Imel?

  Ugh, this is, oh.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  It is extremely hard to figure out. People have been comparing this design to teenage engineering a lot, or like this sort of aesthetic. And this is exactly what it looks like when someone uses a teenage engineering product for the first time too.

• 44:22David Imel?

  Like, how do I use this? This is like, it's beautiful, but I don't really know how to use it. I figured it out. Single capture. And then how do you look at the playback? Okay. Ooh. Okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:37David Imel?

  Okay.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  This is the perfect example for a teenage engineering.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  It's like, I'm confused, I'm confused, I'm confused. 10 seconds later, I'm elated.

• 44:46David Imel?

  I am delighted by the quality of one shot already.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 44:51David Imel?

  The colors are really true to life, really accurate. The 24 megapixel seems totally reasonable. And actually, I am a proponent of lower megapixel, higher, larger sensor.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Which this is, which this is full frame.

• 45:04David Imel?

  24 megapixel.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  But I want to steer you a little bit.

• 45:07David Imel?

  Okay.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Back to the way that you're holding it.

• 45:09David Imel?

  It's not focusing.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  And the way it feels slash like holds.

• 45:14David Imel?

  Okay.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:16David Imel?

  So you have to hold it by holding the lens with your left hand. Otherwise, it just doesn't work.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  It's kind of sharp, is it not?

• 45:24David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Like the corners of it.

• 45:25David Imel?

  Yeah, they rounded the bottom right corner a little bit, but it's still sharp at the edge.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:31David Imel?

  Um, yeah, that's a great point. A lot of camera manufacturers try to make it so you can do most of the things with just one hand.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:39David Imel?

  Uh, this is not that. You have to hold it with two hands, and this is probably one of the smaller lenses.

• 45:45Speaker 05

  Can you do me a favor?

• 45:46David Imel?

  Yes.

• 45:46Speaker 05

  Can you turn the aperture dial?

• 45:48Speaker 01

  In front of the mic.

• 45:50David Imel?

  Oh.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  It's so good.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Do it in front of the mic so they can look at it.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Pick it up. Yum.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  It's nice.

• 45:58David Imel?

  Oh my goodness.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  And if you actually point it, if you actually point it at the camera, they can see the aperture open and close. It's a nice little thing that they've done with this lens.

• 46:05David Imel?

  Oh my god, it's beautiful.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the lens inside, it's a nice lens that we've got on it. It's also silver. So for those who are listening and you want to picture this, it's a full silver aluminum camera with an also full silver, which also appears to be aluminum lens. Uh, with a manual aperture ring that has click stops.

• 46:23David Imel?

  It's not. I actually think this is a digital aperture ring that clicks stops.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Sorry, yeah, you're correct. It is a controller.

• 46:29David Imel?

  And it takes a second. It's not like a lag. That's what I was just trying to. But when the aperture does open, it's very smooth and beautiful, which is nice. Oh god, am I coming around to this?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  So this is what happened to almost all of us here is the first impression was like, wow, this is a cold piece of metal. The second impression, I don't know if you've noticed by now, it starts to get a little bit warm, like the entire aluminum body is a heat sink, which is kind of interesting.

• 46:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  And then you are reminded, so it kind of comes back around, you're like, oh, it's nice, it's got this, this nice feel, takes pictures well. And then you're reminded of all the downsides that we talked about last week, which is, one, no SD card slot, internal storage only.

• 47:06David Imel?

  Okay.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Two, that battery at the bottom.

• 47:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Super proprietary.

• 47:10David Imel?

  Right.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Um, you've just gotta get more of those.

• 47:13David Imel?

  At least it comes out.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Three, no viewfinder, so you have to use the screen for everything.

• 47:18David Imel?

  Have you used it outside?

• 47:19Speaker 01

  We haven't tried that yet.

• 47:20David Imel?

  Okay.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  And then four, this is something you might not have noticed yet, but those buttons on the back are not real buttons. They are haptic.

• 47:27David Imel?

  No way, really?

• 47:28Speaker 01

  So turn the camera off and try pressing any of the buttons.

• 47:31David Imel?

  How do you turn it off again?

• 47:32Speaker 01

  So that same power button, hold it down for like two seconds.

• 47:34David Imel?

  Oh right, the record button's the power button.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  It turns off, and then try pressing any of the buttons while it's off. They don't move. It's completely fake.

• 47:40David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I didn't, I didn't know that until I was like messing around with them, trying to feel how clicky they were and the camera was off. And I was like, wait, these are not real buttons.

• 47:48David Imel?

  That is incredibly deceptive.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  So the haptics are actually good.

• 47:51David Imel?

  It's just like the MacBook Pro touchpad.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Very Apple-like.

• 47:54David Imel?

  Wow.

• 47:55Andrew Manganelli?

  That's like legitimately unbelievable.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, I'm pressing it and I'm like, no, that's real. And then I turn it off and it's not doing anything. Can you?

• 48:03Speaker 03

  I haven't, I haven't seen this yet.

• 48:04David Imel?

  Pass it to us.

• 48:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Turn it on first.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Well, I said off first.

• 48:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I think turn it on first, so you feel it, and then turn it off.

• 48:11David Imel?

  I will say, I don't have that much of a problem with having to use two hands to take photos. Because I like cameras with aperture rings anyway.

• 48:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep.

• 48:23David Imel?

  And so I'm usually holding it like this, because I often change the aperture in order to take a thing.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  A lot of cameras have added control, a lot of lenses have added control rings.

• 48:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  In the RF world especially. I like that. I do iris control with the ring on Canon RF cameras. Ellis, what do you think about the fake button?

• 48:39Speaker 03

  The record button's a real button.

• 48:41David Imel?

  No, that's not a record button.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Well, you're turning it on. The bottom button is the only real moving button.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:45David Imel?

  Oh, really?

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:47David Imel?

  Oh.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  And then the rest are fake.

• 48:48David Imel?

  Okay.

• 48:49Andrew Manganelli?

  You felt it before, right? And it felt like a legit button?

• 48:51Speaker 03

  This is the first time I've held this camera.

• 48:52Andrew Manganelli?

  But what I'm saying is, like, did you just try when it was turned on, pressing the buttons above the record button?

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Like, what? There's no way.

• 48:59David Imel?

  This is pretty unbelievable.

• 49:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Is the shutter button, that's real?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  That shutter button on top is a real shutter button. It actually moves.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  There is like a little bit of give to these. Like, it's not like it's just...

• 49:09David Imel?

  I mean, it's almost fairly solid.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Dude, you guys are not kidding. This thing is sharp.

• 49:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Like, you could, like, grate a block of cheese or something.

• 49:19David Imel?

  I would kind of worry about having it, like, on a strap and having it knocking into things.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Well, boy, do I have good news for you. There's no lugs.

• 49:26David Imel?

  There is a strap lug on the right.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  There's like a little, like, lanyard.

• 49:29David Imel?

  Yeah, a lanyard lug.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. It is, uh, so, I mean, we haven't shot with it very much yet, but I'll have a couple more observations. One is, the camera weighs about a pound, without a lens on it. It was funny, I made a short about it, and I was looking up things that weigh about a pound. So a can of soup is what I referenced in the video. And one of the top comments was like, "Americans will use anything but the metric."

• 49:54Speaker 01

  You're right, it's a can of soup.

• 49:56David Imel?

  Okay, but how many micro-meters or whatever does it weigh? I don't know. What is that? Kilograms?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  How many kilograms is a pound? It's one pound.

• 50:04David Imel?

  Grams.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  But it's dense.

• 50:04David Imel?

  16 grams?

• 50:05Speaker 01

  It's dense, and it really feels like high quality, like you were talking about. Like, weight feels like quality.

• 50:09David Imel?

  Oh my goodness.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  And, I don't know, I, I, there's a lot of cameras that are this size. Like, Sony A6000. You can get a lot of good camera for this exact size of camera. So if you're after just having a small, compact camera that's this size, you can get a great camera.

• 50:25David Imel?

  With a weird battery.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Weird battery, yeah.

• 50:27David Imel?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  And so if you get an A6000, you have a viewfinder, you have all the Sony lens system, you have, uh... You know, 4K video, great low light performance, like you get a lot.

• 50:40David Imel?

  We also do have to note that the lenses are like $2,000.

• 50:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I was just gonna say, how much is that specific lens? Two grand? I think you're right.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  The camera body itself is $2,000 and then the lenses are each in the range of several thousand dollars. There's a $2,000 lens, there's a $6,000 lens, there's some crazy lens.

• 50:57David Imel?

  I'm telling you, this is like the, the poor man's Leica. That's what I'm saying.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Which is crazy to say for that much money.

• 51:06David Imel?

  Yeah, well, Leica bodies are like $9,000.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:09David Imel?

  Just for the body, so.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  But.

• 51:10David Imel?

  Wow.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  I just don't know, Leicas are bigger too, right?

• 51:14David Imel?

  Um, not by a lot, mostly because they have viewfinders.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  True, that's actually.

• 51:20David Imel?

  Yeah, wow, okay, well, I am, I got, I do have to say, I am delight, I am much more delighted than I thought I would be. Also, this sub LCD screen that just does a lot of cool things, I'm very delighted by. And the shutter button feels really good.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Damn, we got some nice shots out of it.

• 51:38Andrew Manganelli?

  We didn't get to see the black version.

• 51:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's safe to say the silver lens on silver body.

• 51:43David Imel?

  Looks crazy good.

• 51:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So good, I can't imagine the black version being better.

• 51:47David Imel?

  Yeah. Sigma, if you're listening.

• 51:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Send us all one.

• 51:50David Imel?

  I would like to, I would like to play with one more, more.

• 51:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I would like to play with one forever.

• 51:56David Imel?

  Forever.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I spent like a solid 30 minutes on Monday, just like taking pictures with that thing. And it was, it was pretty fun.

• 52:05David Imel?

  I really wanna like try this in the field.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Bring it to South by.

• 52:09David Imel?

  Out here in the field.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  I'll bring it to the South by. Yeah, I'll let people see it, yeah.

• 52:13David Imel?

  Alright.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  I'll bring it out there.

• 52:14David Imel?

  Okay, cool, very cool.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  So yeah, just wanted to show that for a little bit.

• 52:18David Imel?

  I will say, why didn't they make the lens cap silver?

• 52:21Andrew Manganelli?

  That is really annoying.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  That is kinda sad, and you know, I didn't bring it, but there's another lens that had a magnetic lens cap. So it's not even like the pinched plastic, it's literally just a metal magnet lens cap. And you can put it on the back of an iPhone and it sticks to it like MagSafe.

• 52:36David Imel?

  Except the 16E.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Are we pro or anti magnetic lens cap? I couldn't tell from that.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  I'm pro as hell.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever, David, you ever been on the subway and you try to take off? Like on the subway platform and you try to take off one of the pinchy lens caps and one finger slips? And so the lens just goes fly. Well, if that's in the tracks, I hope not.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Have fun with it, rats. Surf on it and stuff.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Interesting. Well, yeah, I'm, um, consider me impressed. Consider me impressed.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  All right.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Very nice.

• 53:08Speaker 05

  I don't know what else is impressive. But I don't think they released anything else this week.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Segways.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  Segway.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Segways are impressive.

• 53:15Speaker 05

  The new, the new MacBook Air M4 dropping for less money than the last MacBook Air.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  Really?

• 53:22Speaker 05

  All right.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  This is actually, yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 05

  This is actually cool.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Pretty good announcement. So, so MacBook Air, as we've reviewed the last couple, and they have graduated to Apple silicon and they've become very, very easy, standard, baseline. Do you want a laptop? This is the one you should probably get type recommendations. And they'd been 999 for a while and then they bumped up, I think around the M2 generation to 1099 base. And they'd still continued to improve it. I think it's doubled in RAM. It's 128 gigs of base storage now, I think. Which is.

• 53:53Speaker 05

  256.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  256, okay. So these specs keep getting better. It keeps getting more powerful. This is an M4 update of the base MacBook Air. And it's gone back down to 999. Not for nothing, that's pretty good. Like this is again, like the sort of default Mac that you can recommend to just about anyone who just needs a laptop to do basic stuff.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  Right.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  It's funny because I end up reviewing these things and almost nobody buying a MacBook Air should get it to like edit videos or do anything crazy. But the M chips are so good that you kind of can do that anyway.

• 54:26Speaker 05

  Totally can.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  So we get to this weird place where I'm reviewing a MacBook Air and like trying video editing on it. And it's like, what am I doing here? I guess I could do this, but you don't really buy it for that.

• 54:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  It's that capable. I think this is another one of those laptops. It's gonna have a good battery life. There's still a 13 and a 15 inch version. It's just a solid, solid laptop. Nothing amazing about the screen. It's still a 60 hertz screen, like nothing, nothing's gonna blow you out of the water. It's just a solid base laptop.

• 54:52Speaker 05

  You know what's my favorite thing about it? It supports two external displays now.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, shout to M4.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  Two 6K external.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Which is funny because like if you're doing a MacBook Air, are you also? So doing two 6K external.

• 55:05David Imel?

  If your name is Marquez.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  Wait, I know this person. This is so funny. Okay. Yeah, I know someone. This is hilarious. She is a filmmaker. But she, so she does not edit video, but she does need to receive editing projects to like review them in proxies. And maybe make like small adjustments here and there. So she does need a video card that won't just like the bed. And I do know her home setup has two displays.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  So specifically needs quality displays.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Yes. But still needs to be able to make very basic video editing moves. This person is real. I know her. This is hilarious.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  This is good.

• 55:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Does she really, really like the smallest amount of blue possible?

• 55:49Speaker 03

  The smallest.

• 55:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause that is the new color of this one.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  I, I could, I could see her being into it.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, there is that new color.

• 55:57David Imel?

  Is it called blue?

• 55:58Speaker 01

  It's sky blue, I think.

• 55:59Andrew Manganelli?

  This is like the silver, like they didn't front, finish running the finishing machine and there's still a little bit of blue left.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  This story gets even funnier because a week or three weeks ago, she was like, what computer should I get? And I was like, you should get a MacBook Air. And she was like, shouldn't I just like, wait for the new one? That's probably going to come out in a few weeks. And I was like, I don't know. I guess I can't be that much better. Boy, was I wrong.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Now she's sending you this clip.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Good job for waiting.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, that's, it's funny because Apple demos these like setups with like an iPad Pro and a 6K XDR display. And they're like, come on, this is a real person, right? And I'm like, is it though? But you know, this MacBook Air, this is at least one real person.

• 56:38David Imel?

  Also, I used to have an M1 MacBook Air and I used to edit red raw footage on it.

• 56:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is not the typical buyer of a MacBook Air.

• 56:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Andrew Manganelli?

  But you can.

• 56:47David Imel?

  It wasn't as performant, but it was doable, you know?

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Which is amazing.

• 56:52David Imel?

  Which is crazy. I will say these things start to slow down a little bit once you run out of storage. Because they use a lot of swap memory, uh, but they both upgraded the memory to 16 gigabytes of RAM. Which I, you know, famously will be completely eaten alive by Adobe programs.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:09David Imel?

  But 256 gig of storage is better as well. So, yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Also, no need to fear. They have Apple Intelligence. I know you all.

• 57:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It's gonna be a, that's common thread.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  They are built for Apple Intelligence, just so you're, you're up to speed. Great.

• 57:23David Imel?

  Does she need Apple Intelligence?

• 57:26Speaker 01

  She needs Genmoji. No, there's also some other Mac updates as well this week. So that was, that was the Tuesday update. Now, oh, sorry. The iPad era was Tuesday.

• 57:36David Imel?

  Yeah, we tweeted and talked.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  The MacBook era also comes with Mac Studio updates today. Mac Studio updates are a little more nuanced. There are two new flavors. There is an M3.

• 57:48David Imel?

  And there's Tapol.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Ultra. And then there's the M4 Max.

• 57:53David Imel?

  Yes.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  So if you want a max level chip, M4 generation, if you want an ultra level chip, which is higher than Max, M3 Ultra. So there is no M4 Ultra yet. M3 Ultra is the new most powerful chip we've ever seen from Apple. I don't know how far away we are from M4 Ultra, but I assume that that will be coming up eventually in

• 58:18David Imel?

  M5.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Mac Pro. We're also around the corner from M5.

• 58:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  So could be interesting to buy an M3 Ultra chip the same year that M5 comes out. This has kind of become a staggered.

• 58:29David Imel?

  Or an M4. Oh, is it coming out this year, M5?

• 58:32Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 58:33David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, probably.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 58:34David Imel?

  November or something.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I think, yeah, it's, this might deserve an explain video at some point, but it's kind of become this like staggering wave of new chips as they came out. It's not like we got the entire M4 lineup at once. We got M4 Base, M4 Pro and M4 Max in the laptops. Now we have M4 Max in the Mac Studio, but no M4 Ultra. So if you want an Ultra chip, you can get M3 Ultra. M4 Ultra will probably be coming soon, but by that time, M5 Base is going to come out somewhere and it's like this rolling system. It needs a visual.

• 59:05Andrew Manganelli?

  We all understood that.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  I'm saying it into a microphone and it sounds like I'm just blabbering. This needs a visual.

• 59:10David Imel?

  I literally need you to draw it out.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  I know. I had to like diagram it. So, yeah, well, this may be a video. We'll see.

• 59:17Andrew Manganelli?

  It made me realize this morning that I think Max is the dumbest name possible because it's not the highest one. Ultra is higher.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 59:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, wait a second. The, the, the description of the word maximum is the greatest or highest amount possible or attained. And then they're like, let's double it.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Go off. Yeah, this is true. That is very true.

• 59:38David Imel?

  Max Plus, you know?

• 59:40Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, Pro Max, yeah.

• 59:43David Imel?

  Pro Max.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  That is the-

• 59:44Andrew Manganelli?

  But that is.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  That is.

• 59:45Andrew Manganelli?

  That is the max.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Pro Max is the max you can get.

• 59:47David Imel?

  Size-wise.

• 59:48Andrew Manganelli?

  And actually, it makes sense because the big, regular iPhone is just called the Plus.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  So are you saying that in Max, Max is not the max?

• 59:56Andrew Manganelli?

  That is also very confusing. Maybe I was so confused.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  In Max, Max is not Max.

• 1:00:01David Imel?

  Correct.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:02David Imel?

  Ultra.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  As long as we're on the same page.

• 1:00:05David Imel?

  Ultra is more Max than Max.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  On in Max. In Max.

• 1:00:08David Imel?

  Yeah, in the Max.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  But outside of Max, Max is Max. Yeah, because it's Pro Max.

• 1:00:14David Imel?

  Well, there's something wrong with my brain because I understood that.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Perfect. Uh, yeah, no, that's kind of it. That's our, that's our Mac update, I think.

• 1:00:24David Imel?

  I never want to hear that word again.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want to review the, uh, new MacBook.

• 1:00:27Andrew Manganelli?

  We didn't talk about the iPad. Do you want to do it really quick?

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:00:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Because that's about all there is to it.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Okay, we can also do the iPad. There is a new iPad. It's got the M3 chip, iPad Air. Beautiful. That's kind of all that's new, right? Maybe double the RAM?

• 1:00:40Andrew Manganelli?

  It's built for Apple Intelligence.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:00:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Excuse me.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  Built for Apple Intelligence.

• 1:00:44David Imel?

  Sick.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  It's a new chip. It has these, these colors. It's, it's neat. It looks exactly the same.

• 1:00:49Andrew Manganelli?

  The new Magic Keyboard for it has function rows and a larger trackpad, which I do think is actually good. And I believe is cheaper.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  It's cheaper, but it's still way too expensive. Is it $50 cheaper or something?

• 1:01:00Andrew Manganelli?

  $2.69 and $3.19.

• 1:01:02David Imel?

  It's a little bit cheaper.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:03David Imel?

  But it's so expensive.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  So that came out. And there's also a new base iPad. It's still $3.29. And it has a new A16 chip and doesn't support Apple Intelligence.

• 1:01:19David Imel?

  Maybe that's the one to get.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  I guess that's a gated feature now. No Apple Intelligence for the baseline iPad, but it does have the newest, not the newest, it does have a newer-

• 1:01:29David Imel?

  It has an A-series chip, right?

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  A16, yeah. A16 generation, so-

• 1:01:33David Imel?

  Which is one, one old? Or no?

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  Too old.

• 1:01:36David Imel?

  Too old, because we're on A18.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  We're on A18.

• 1:01:38David Imel?

  So that makes sense that it wouldn't support Apple Intelligence, right?

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  That's correct.

• 1:01:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Why not put the, you just put the A18 in the $600 iPhone? Maybe that's too pricey for the $300 iPad?

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Can you help me understand? I'm so confused. Is Genmoji Apple Intelligence?

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  And then, and then the new Siri, Siri GPT is also Apple Intelligence?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Eventually, when it comes out, yeah.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  But like the ChatGPT like integration into?

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  That is also Apple Intelligence.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  That's also Apple Intelligence and also not here yet, or that is here?

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  That's Apple Intelligence.

• 1:02:11David Imel?

  It's here, yeah.

• 1:02:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Is Apple Intelligence in the room with us right now?

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, so like, it's just like, okay, so what they mean when they say it's built for Apple Intelligence, they mean you can do Genmoji on it?

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I did a review of like all of the currently available Apple Intelligence features, and the list is not very long right now.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Notification summaries.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  But it is like a promise, it's an IOU of like, you will get these features.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  It's growing. It's growing with iOS updates. So as of right now, if you have a device that supports Apple Intelligence, writing tools, summarization for reconstructing text.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  Oh, and then notification.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Notifications, summaries, Genmoji is in there. Remember the Image Playground where you can make weird emoji things?

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  No, I'm starting to understand now.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  That's, that's all Apple Intelligence is at this point. It's not, it's not really a buying point for most people.

• 1:03:03David Imel?

  Yeah. They said there was gonna be a super cycle of people buying AI phones, where smartphones would be back, baby.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:11David Imel?

  No.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  When does the Apple Roadster come out?

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Soon. I will, I'll bring up one more device since we're talking about AI. I reviewed the Nothing Phone 3A and 3A Pro this week.

• 1:03:23David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  And those phones really don't have much AI at all. Like, if you've followed Nothing Phones for the past couple of years, they have not done the like, uh, remove an part of your image from the background thing. They have not done writing tools or notification summaries or any of this AI stuff.

• 1:03:38Andrew Manganelli?

  They did something better.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  So you can have Gemini and all the basic stuff, but the one thing they did on these Nothing Phones that is AI is they added a button to the side of the phone.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  And as I described in the video, it's, it's literally just like a, a place where you store stuff. It's like I've described it, uh, like Google screenshots app on steroids.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  It's fine. It works. It allows you to parse information from the screenshot and save some of it. So if you want to search back for an old screenshot, it's easy to remember and find. You can attach voice notes to things you save by holding the button down. But that's kind of all it really does. It's not backed up anywhere. It's not going to sync across devices. It's kind of just like built into your phone. The Essential Space is what it's called.

• 1:04:23David Imel?

  Essential Space.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25David Imel?

  But notably, it's the Nothing Phone, not the Essential Phone.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:04:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  So yeah, that was interesting.

• 1:04:31David Imel?

  They have said it's going to be upgraded in the coming months to have more features.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Yes, just like everyone else and all of their AI promises.

• 1:04:38David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:04:39Speaker 05

  Wow, someone's got a grudge.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Well, you know, that's also what Apple Intelligence is doing, and that's also what the rabbit's doing.

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  The best thing about Apple Intelligence is that it forced Apple to put 16 gigs of RAM in everything.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Actually, the best thing.

• 1:04:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  That's a fact.

• 1:04:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  But now here we are. We got new iPads. We got new MacBook Air. We got new Mac Studio. We got new AI.

• 1:05:00David Imel?

  New Nothing.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  A new Nothing.

• 1:05:02David Imel?

  The Nothing Phones are quite good value, though.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  $379 for the 3A, in the US, anyway.

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 1:05:09David Imel?

  It's pretty good.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  That's so good.

• 1:05:10David Imel?

  Also, have to acknowledge that there is now a 3A Pro. And the A series was supposed to be the cheaper version of the standard number. So where does...

• 1:05:22David Imel?

  There's gonna be a 3 that hasn't come out yet.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:05:24David Imel?

  It's kind of like the M3 Ultra.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I assume the Nothing Phone 3, when it comes out, will be a, quote, flagship, and it will cost more than the 3A and the 3A Pro.

• 1:05:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  It will probably be in the $500, $600, $700 range.

• 1:05:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  And it'll probably have a better chip. And yeah, we don't know when that's coming.

• 1:05:41David Imel?

  Carl has said specifically that it is going to be an AI-focused phone, and I really wonder if that means that they're just gonna lean harder into the button? And if that's the main thing, or if it's gonna be even more... AI.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Like catching up with all the Samsung stuff?

• 1:05:57David Imel?

  Uh, maybe.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Like drawing something in your picture and then it being a sketch or something? I don't know.

• 1:06:02David Imel?

  Like.

• 1:06:03Speaker 05

  I hope it's more to do with the button.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you like the button being like totally different than all the other buttons?

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  So the button is in a place right next to the power button where it is very, very easy to press it accidentally all the time.

• 1:06:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's like, like bulging out and not flat.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't like how it looks.

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  It doesn't look great, but the fact that it is domed and feels different from the power button at least helps me press it accidentally less often because it's right next to the power button. But it is still annoying and I press it accidentally all the time. I take screenshots of my home screen every day. So that's a thing.

• 1:06:42David Imel?

  Have they said what the essential space is like for? You know?

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Uh, not any more than we have.

• 1:06:49David Imel?

  Kind of store stuff in it? You can't like ask your phone about the stuff in the space?

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no. Yeah. So, so like I said, the screenshots app on steroids. Like the screenshots app is supposed to be able to like parse through and sort through all the stuff that it finds in your screenshots. So this is the same way. And if you have an event that you took a screenshot of the event page, it will remind you of that event when it comes up. Or if you have a voice note and you say, remind me to buy tickets for this tomorrow, it will set a to do action in this app to revisit this screenshot so you can buy tickets to the event.

• 1:07:23David Imel?

  Question.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25David Imel?

  Couldn't you just tell like Siri or Google Assistant?

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:30David Imel?

  Cool.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:31David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:07:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it sounds cool, but I also was the only person who liked the screenshot app, I feel like.

• 1:07:36Speaker 05

  I love it. I think this is like a to do list app built into your phone. They do need, like you said, Marques, cross-platform functionality. If they get a Mac app and a Windows app, I think that's enough. That would be so sick.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  I agree. I just can't hold my breath for it.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  I don't think it's coming anytime soon.

• 1:07:53David Imel?

  Are you, while you're using this phone, are you like, that should go in the essential space? And you put it in there?

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  It's more of just like reminders and things I need to remember later.

• 1:08:02David Imel?

  Why wouldn't you just use your reminder app?

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Well, because, I mean, this is a button on the side of the phone, so it kind of is encouraging you to remember more things. So I'm just texting someone and, oh, I gotta remember to answer this text later. Let me just hit the thing, save it, and tell myself later what I want to do.

• 1:08:18David Imel?

  Doesn't Google Messages have a "Remind me to answer this text" feature?

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  Yes, individual apps have versions of these features, but it all being built into one hub is maybe the nice thing.

• 1:08:29David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, so some people are gonna be into that.

• 1:08:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, because the reminders app, if you want to set a reminder, it's just text. Can you attach anything to your reminder?

• 1:08:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Associated with the screenshot that it takes at the time as well. So you can be like, "Remind me to buy this for Claire on her birthday." For her birthday, or something like that. And then, and then it's like, "Claire birthday presents." I can probably search and find all the times I had said, "This is something that might work for a good birthday present."

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  You can build collections, which are kind of like folders, so.

• 1:09:00David Imel?

  Okay, well, I'm going to try it more.

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  I feel like it's the best use of an AI on a phone thus far, besides like Circle to Search.

• 1:09:08David Imel?

  Yeah, oh, I love Circle to Search.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  Circle to Search is iconic, but this is pretty close.

• 1:09:12David Imel?

  Google, Google Now on Tap?

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  The exact same thing.

• 1:09:16David Imel?

  I love Google Now on Tap, too. It's just rebranded, yeah. So, yeah, okay.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09:21David Imel?

  That's the Nothing phones. We should take another quick break. We got a little more to get through. But before we do that, some trivia questions.

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  We're going long, so how many transistors does the M1 have?

• 1:09:37David Imel?

  Go!

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Oh, I know this.

• 1:09:38David Imel?

  Transistors?

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  M1.

• 1:09:40David Imel?

  The M1.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  M1, original M1.

• 1:09:41David Imel?

  You know this?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Well, I've been researching a specific transistor.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, wait.

• 1:09:46David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  I'm still gonna get it wrong, though.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Okay, we'll think about that, answer that at the end later. We'll be right back.

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• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  Welcome back. I have a family, specifically David Amell. And by that, I mean we share a YouTube premium account.

• 1:11:43David Imel?

  We do? You're in my family?

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46David Imel?

  Is this recent?

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:11:48David Imel?

  Oh, God.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  This is like, as soon as I started working here.

• 1:11:51David Imel?

  Is this legal?

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  I don't know, continue.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  But, uh, so we only pay like $3 a month or something.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  My brother.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  For YouTube Premium. It's dirty cheap.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  But, um, if, uh, if that, if you wanted to pay more than that.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  But less than it actually costs, there's now an option.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  There's a new tier in the US.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, tier. That's the right word.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, correct.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  It's called YouTube Premium Lite. It makes sense when you think about it. YouTube Premium gets you no ads and offline downloads.

• 1:12:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  And YouTube Music.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  And I think-

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  Wait, stop. Really?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. It's always come with YouTube. It's a deal, bro. Ellis. You haven't paid for this and not even using it? Yeah. It's good.

• 1:12:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis, you get free YouTube Music.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Uh, it's good. So, but if you, and also there's like, um, offline playback. I think there's another, there's like a picture-in-picture feature, a couple of little things-

• 1:12:43Andrew Manganelli?

  And they'll like turn your screen off.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Turn your screen off and it's continued to playback. So that's great. That all comes with paying for YouTube Premium. But if all you really care about is no ads, now there's a new tier that's just YouTube Premium Lite, and that's no ads on non-music videos. So if you don't listen to music on YouTube, you're a Spotify, Apple Music person.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  You can only pay eight bucks a month in the US for YouTube Premium Lite and still get ad-free YouTube.

• 1:13:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, there's ads on music videos?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:13:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Why?

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Because-

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  More expensive. You gotta pay, like YouTube has to pay for the-

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  Licensing.

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  I would, that would be my guess.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:18Andrew Manganelli?

  That makes sense.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  The licensing on this.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Also, YouTube is an extremely popular music streaming platform, so. Maybe the most. Yeah.

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  Can I tell a really funny story?

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  I, when I got my iPod Touch in, must have been like 7th grade or something like that, I distinctly remember, uh, getting it, seeing the YouTube app on it. And the first thought I had was, why did I waste 99 of my hard-earned cents on Kanye West's Heartless? When I could listen to it for free wherever I am with this?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, the YouTube logo on the iPod Touch was a TV.

• 1:13:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Remember that?

• 1:13:59David Imel?

  Cause it was old.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  It was like an analog TV.

• 1:14:01David Imel?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:01Andrew Manganelli?

  You guys got the iPod Touch in seventh grade?

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  I got it.

• 1:14:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Middle school.

• 1:14:08David Imel?

  No, because the iPhone came out in 2007.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got it after, after the iPhone came out, because I couldn't get the iPhone as well as an ATT.

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  I was in sixth grade.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  I want to say I was in.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  Actually, I have like an even funnier story about this because I got it because as I mentioned on a previous episode, my parents were really anti kids having cell phones. They were like, Ellis should not have one of these. But I was a pretty independent kid and needed to let my mom know where I was a lot of the time. And so my mom read somewhere that you could get texting apps, like, like old text over Wi Fi apps for the iPod Touch. But I don't know if my parents fully understood what Wi Fi was.

• 1:14:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49David Imel?

  So.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, in my school, in, in high school, like all the kids that didn't have smartphones just had iPods and they were able to do, iPod Touches and were able to do all the same things.

• 1:14:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Did you have a, did you have Pal Ringo?

• 1:15:02David Imel?

  What's that?

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Pal Ringo is this crazy, it was essentially Woof.

• 1:15:06David Imel?

  What's that?

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  That's not a real sentence.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  This guy, no, but it's essentially like, it was this app that could unite all of your different messaging accounts into one inbox. Including all of the weird off brand texting over Wi Fi apps.

• 1:15:23David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I could get my Ames.

• 1:15:26David Imel?

  There were some weird ones.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  My SMSs, my Facebook messengers. That was kind of all there was back then, all in my Pal Ringo inbox.

• 1:15:34David Imel?

  Yeah, the iPod Touch came out in 2007 as well.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the first piece of tech I ever actually owned.

• 1:15:40David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  And it got stolen like a week.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:15:43David Imel?

  Dang. I spent like my life savings on mine.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Same. I got, I was like the happiest kid ever for a weekend and it got stolen and I was the sad.

• 1:15:50Speaker 03

  It got stolen in a week?

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:52David Imel?

  That sucks, bro.

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got it. I like brought it into school because I'm an idiot and then I like had it stolen out of my locker and then, uh, yeah, I was like, my life savings is gone. I can't even listen to music or anything.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Someone would financially recover from.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was tough.

• 1:16:05David Imel?

  Well, did it have YouTube Premium Lite on it?

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  No, but you know, some kid out there could get that now. It'd be great. Ad free.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  Dude, someone out there has. Mark has Brownlee's iPod Touch.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  That makes me so sad.

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  And doesn't even know.

• 1:16:18David Imel?

  It's probably e-waste by now.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Some thieves. Some high school thief. In my head, they're still high school thief.

• 1:16:26David Imel?

  They never grew up.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, they never grew up.

• 1:16:27David Imel?

  It's like Biff, you know?

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30David Imel?

  Deep preference.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 1:16:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I missed that one.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Was there anything else about YouTube Premium Lite that we missed?

• 1:16:35David Imel?

  Um, in the coming weeks, they will also make it available to users in the current pilot countries, which include Thailand, Germany, Australia, and also that YouTube Music and Premium reach over 125 million subscribers globally when you include trial users, which is a very funny amendment.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is, wow.

• 1:16:54David Imel?

  Uh, but it will expand to additional countries later this year.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Last thing, Google Fi just got an update.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Uh, it now.

• 1:17:02David Imel?

  It's not Google Fi that got the update.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Sorry, T-Mobile NVMOs.

• 1:17:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  Have, uh, worked with Apple, I guess, in order to make this iOS 18.2 beta support RCS with them.

• 1:17:13David Imel?

  18.4, sorry.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  18.4.

• 1:17:15David Imel?

  I meant to write 4.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  18.4 beta supports RCS. So if you're a Google Fi user and you have the iOS 18.4 beta, flip that switch, baby.

• 1:17:23David Imel?

  It's just the greatest.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  Alright, David.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  You're an R, you're a Google Fi user, right?

• 1:17:28David Imel?

  Yep.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  You've been waiting.

• 1:17:30David Imel?

  Yep, I've been a Google Fi user for a very long time.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 1:17:32David Imel?

  I have been screaming into the void for a very long time.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  The void has answered.

• 1:17:36David Imel?

  The void has finally answered.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  They said, here, have this beta.

• 1:17:39David Imel?

  Yeah. Have this sigma. There was a, uh, there was this report that Apple was the one that was basically holding back releasing the abilities for NVMOs to be able to use Google, uh, to be able to use RCS.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57David Imel?

  And now they've finally done it in the beta. So I'm extremely excited. I can, I finally turned it on yesterday and my life is 100 times better.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  Oh, you're already on the beta?

• 1:18:06David Imel?

  Oh, I'm.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Of course you are.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  Here's number one.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Why'd I even ask? Of course.

• 1:18:09David Imel?

  Yeah, I was the, the alpha beta user.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Adam, go ahead and get, get cracking on that download.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm literally about to turn on betas right now.

• 1:18:17David Imel?

  Yeah, so, thank you.

• 1:18:20Speaker 05

  Wait, public beta or developer beta?

• 1:18:22David Imel?

  Developer beta.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Developer beta is beta iOS 18.4.

• 1:18:27David Imel?

  Beta 2.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm on the public beta, so I'm on 18.3, I think.

• 1:18:32David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Which is still fine. I've just been like waiting for the new Siri and I don't.

• 1:18:37David Imel?

  I don't know, man. I don't know when that's coming. I don't know when that's coming. The developer beta is fine. I haven't had any issues with it at all.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  I sometimes have battery issues, so I just need to like pay attention.

• 1:18:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  It's fine.

• 1:18:48David Imel?

  Well, to all my Fi users out there who are on the iPhone, which is like three of us. Hell yeah, brother.

• 1:18:54Speaker 05

  I got one more request for Fi. Let us attach the Apple Watch. You can't do it.

• 1:18:59David Imel?

  Ooh.

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  The cellular. Can't do it.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  What about a, can you attach a Pixel Watch?

• 1:19:03David Imel?

  You can.

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  For free.

• 1:19:04David Imel?

  For free.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  So do it.

• 1:19:05David Imel?

  You don't even have to pay. If you're on Google Fi, Pixel Watch, cellular, free.

• 1:19:10Speaker 05

  Well, is that still the case? Cause I know it was when it came out, but I'm not sure if that's.

• 1:19:13David Imel?

  Yeah, it's still the case.

• 1:19:13Speaker 05

  It's okay.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really funny, actually.

• 1:19:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Like, oh, you have a Pixel Watch? Dude, yeah, it's free. You can use it.

• 1:19:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  That's great. All right. I think that covers it. Look, there's gonna be more announcements. It's like the end of MWC and the beginning of South by and there's just a bunch more announcements and tech things happening, so stay tuned. Keep it locked, as they say. Get subscribed if you haven't already. I think radio people say that.

• 1:19:38Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know why I said it.

• 1:19:40David Imel?

  Keep it locked. 96.9.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, keep it locked here on uh, WDFRM. Which kinda sounds like a radio station. Uh, but we should wrap it up by finding out the answers to those trivia questions.

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure, back in the day of radios that had knobs and dials and stuff, you could lock the dial. So that no one could change the station. But I am not old enough.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  I could not confirm that, but it makes perfect sense.

• 1:20:13David Imel?

  That's hardcore.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  I had, I have listened to a lot of terrestrial radio in my day, but I've never had one with a knob.

• 1:20:19David Imel?

  Dude, especially when you had to like fine tune it because it was just the, the little dial thing. I would definitely lock that. Cause you go over a speed bump and it's like.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:20:32David Imel?

  Yeah, I was talking about some old people's stuff.

• 1:20:35Speaker 03

  Who else but us? All right, question number one. Modular phone camera accessories.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Year. I was wrong in the beginning. I said six megapixel. And I meant, did I say megapixel wrong? It just fell out of my mouth and felt incongruous. Earlier, I said six megapixels and I meant seven megapixels. What phone? No. What year did this phone come out in? And it had a telephoto conversion lens and a wide angle conversion lens. And both of them looked really silly.

• 1:21:14David Imel?

  And bad.

• 1:21:15Speaker 03

  And nah.

• 1:21:18David Imel?

  It was unbelievable how much better quality film was back in the day. I can see why they thought digital would never catch on.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25David Imel?

  At like, with like two megapixel cameras.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:21:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:21:31Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:21:31David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:21:32Speaker 03

  I did not say if we were doing closest delta or Price is Right rules.

• 1:21:36David Imel?

  True.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  So we will do closest delta. But, Marquez, let me see your board real quick.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Oh, that's 2008.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  All right, so.

• 1:21:44David Imel?

  Is that an MX chip on the right?

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  God damn it.

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  You mother.

• 1:21:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Did we split? It's 2006.

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  You did split it if we're doing closest.

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  So we all.

• 1:21:59Andrew Manganelli?

  We all get the point.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  2006. But if we do Price is Right rules, only two of you get it.

• 1:22:03David Imel?

  That would be mean.

• 1:22:04Speaker 03

  That would be mean.

• 1:22:06David Imel?

  That'd be great.

• 1:22:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm down for everyone gets a point.

• 1:22:09Speaker 03

  Well, you get a point either way, so let's not. Let's see, everyone, everyone gets a point. Everyone gets a point. The answer was obviously.

• 1:22:16David Imel?

  2006.

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  2006.

• 1:22:18David Imel?

  Andrew and I both put 2004.

• 1:22:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I realized we didn't say.

• 1:22:21Speaker 03

  The phone was the Samsung V770.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  Huh, never heard of it.

• 1:22:26David Imel?

  Someone will correct us.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, and if I'm wrong, no, I'm not.

• 1:22:30Andrew Manganelli?

  He's only wrong if it goes lower.

• 1:22:33Speaker 05

  Quick update on the score after those correct answers. Marquez with eight, catching up.

• 1:22:39David Imel?

  What?

• 1:22:40Speaker 05

  Andrew with five.

• 1:22:41David Imel?

  Missed a week or something?

• 1:22:43Speaker 05

  David with eleven.

• 1:22:44Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:22:45David Imel?

  Nope. No healthy lead has become a little more sickly.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  Let's do another one.

• 1:22:50Speaker 05

  How many transistors does the original M1 chip have?

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Closest delta or?

• 1:22:56Speaker 05

  Without going over.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Without going over. Price is right?

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Rules?

• 1:23:00Speaker 05

  Price is right rules, because we did delta last time, so this time I'll do closest delta.

• 1:23:05Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be so wrong.

• 1:23:08Speaker 05

  You say that, but if you just pick an absurd number, you might be right.

• 1:23:13Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  Trying to remember.

• 1:23:20Speaker 05

  Alright, flip them and read.

• 1:23:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought I was going over and I'm the lowest by four billion.

• 1:23:28Speaker 05

  Wait, so what'd you say?

• 1:23:29Andrew Manganelli?

  One billion.

• 1:23:30Speaker 05

  You said one billion?

• 1:23:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:31Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:23:32David Imel?

  I said forty billion.

• 1:23:33Speaker 05

  Forty billion, Marquez.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  Right in the middle, nine and a half billion.

• 1:23:37Speaker 05

  So if we're doing Price is Right.

• 1:23:40David Imel?

  Horrible answer.

• 1:23:41Speaker 05

  That is a horrible answer. Marquez gets the point. The correct answer is sixteen billion on the original M1.

• 1:23:50Andrew Manganelli?

  You were closer also.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Oh. Sixteen billion, yeah.

• 1:23:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:53David Imel?

  Yeah, that sounds more.

• 1:23:54Speaker 05

  The M1 Ultra or Pro? I forget which one. It had like thirty-three point seven billion, so you were close.

• 1:24:00David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:24:01Speaker 05

  If we were doing the other one.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  But it was the base chip.

• 1:24:03Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  The little square.

• 1:24:04David Imel?

  I didn't realize that, I thought it was the Ultra.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Alright, so what do you know? Our, your lead is shrinking, David. How do you feel about that?

• 1:24:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's go back to only David and I getting points on the first one.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  No, I kinda liked all getting points.

• 1:24:16David Imel?

  The node size is also shrinking, so one day I will be correct.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Man, that's true.

• 1:24:21David Imel?

  Thank you.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  But, hey, until then.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  How?

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  Nah, it didn't make any sense.

• 1:24:26David Imel?

  No, because you can, well, sure, but there will be forty billion on a, on a MacBook chip at some point.

• 1:24:31Speaker 03

  I think the.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  I bet the M4 Ultra.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  No, the M, the M2 Max has a hundred and forty-three billion, doesn't it? On the whole SoC?

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 1:24:39David Imel?

  That seems like a.

• 1:24:39Speaker 05

  Fact checking time!

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  M3 Ultra, one hundred eighty-four billion, apple.com.

• 1:24:44David Imel?

  So I'm just wrong.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  What about the, okay?

• 1:24:48David Imel?

  That's the ultra, though. What about the pro?

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  Uh, we could narrow it down and find one that's close to your number. I don't think that makes it right. Uh, but yeah, we learned something today.

• 1:24:58David Imel?

  Okay. What about the second trivia question?

• 1:25:00Speaker 01

  That was it.

• 1:25:01David Imel?

  Oh, right. That was.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  That was it.

• 1:25:04David Imel?

  Cause the phone.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  It's, it's great. Yeah.

• 1:25:06David Imel?

  With the phone thing, did we all get it or did just?

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  We all got it.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  That's been it. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.

• 1:25:15David Imel?

  South by.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  See you at South by. If we're not at South by, see you at the next regularly scheduled episode.

• 1:25:20David Imel?

  If we're not at South by?

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  No, if they're not.

• 1:25:22David Imel?

  No, we're at South by.

• 1:25:23Andrew Manganelli?

  We are definitely there.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  If they're not, sorry, I wasn't clear. If you're not at South by, you, the listener, uh, well, we'll catch you on the feed. But see you at the next episode. Catch you later. Peace.

• 1:25:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, former spruce by Adam Alina and Ellis River, and we're part of the Fox Media Box, and we're an intro music is great by Vansil. Yeah, I don't, I don't think I can name all the.

• 1:25:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Still true.

• 1:25:56David Imel?

  Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, two, seven Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, seven Neptune. Pluto was the furthest planet from the sun.

• 1:26:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Gods.

• 1:26:05David Imel?

  But then it got demoted from Mars to Earth.

• 1:26:09Speaker 00

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