CES 2025: the Good, the Bad, the Ugly

We're back! After a nice break for the holiday Marques, Andrew, and David waste no time getting right back into the newest gadgets and announcements. With Ellis and Adam both out sick, Mariah is in control of the producer table so you know it's going to be a good one. First, everyone gives a quick update on what they did over the break before venting about Qi2 wireless charging in upcoming Android phones. Then it's all about CES where they talk about everything from weird vacuum robots to the new Nvidia announcements and even some new wonky screens from LG! After that, it's all about the cars of CES including Afeela, Faraday Future, and even Honda. Of course, we wrap everything up with some trivia. Enjoy! Links: MKBHD - OnePlus 13 Review CNET - Nvidia CES in 12 Minutes Verge - Nvidia Digits Verge - Nvidia RTX 5090 9to5Google - Qi2 article Linus Tech Tips - Nvidia RTX 5090 demo Verge - Tracking Microsoft tricks Tony Statovci - Bing Short Tom’s Guide - Microsoft copies Google Tom’s Guide - StanByME 2 Hands-On Verge - Dell Kills XPS Verge - New Bird Buddy Cameras Motor Authority - Faraday Future Prototypes Electrive - Faraday Future sold 10 cars Car and Driver - Afeela Verge - New LG lamps PC Gamer - Ducky keyboard Verge - AutoKeybo Short Verge - Honda Zero Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:19Speaker 01

  That's J-I-R-A dot com. It's 2025. We are back.

• 1:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote "Feeling Fresh" after our first break, but two of the five people are missing, so how fresh could we really be?

• 1:31Speaker 01

  We're feeling fresh. We are halfway back.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Yo, what is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. It's 2025. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  And I'm David. And, okay, so we're mostly back. Ellis and Adam are both a little sick, taking a little bit of time to get better, rightfully. So, at the desk today, Mariah, producing. She has all of the buttons. She has all the trivia questions. It's gonna be a good time.

• 2:07Andrew Manganelli?

  They're already on.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  I'm ready. Thank you, Mariah. Yeah, wow, we have a kind of a mix of things because we took a little bit of time off. So there's been a stuff piling up that we want to talk about. A little bit of CES stuff, I should say, a lot of CES.

• 2:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's mostly CES stuff.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  That's, that's happening now and that's a lot of, it's a lot of stuff, but it's like a lot of empty calories. It's like just headline after headline after headline, new stuff, new stuff, new stuff. We'll talk about some of it, but what'd you guys get into over break? Did you have any fun, anything, any stories you wanted to tell?

• 2:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a New Year's Day story that is tech related. And if you follow me on Blue Sky, might have physically or digitally seen me pulling my hair out.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I know.

• 2:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so I spent my entire.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Not, no, I probably do.

• 2:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure you do.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  I probably do.

• 2:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I spent my entire New Year's Day because over break Claire and I noticed that our Google Home, when you asked it the time or the weather, would not respond. And it wasn't like the, I can't help you with that now. It would just spin, like spin or light up and just like play the animation and nothing would happen. So at first I was like, I'm way too busy, whatever. New Year's Day, when you have a one year old, you're in bed way before midnight the night before. So New Year's Day isn't, is just another day.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Until the ball drop.

• 3:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Not even remotely. If I made it to 10pm, I'd be surprised.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:34Andrew Manganelli?

  So New Year's Day, I'm like, I'm going to fix this. I have a pretty chill day. It can't be that hard.

• 3:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Long story short, it was very hard. And I wound up flipping the breaker on my entire house. I reset every Google Home I had. I disconnected every single smart home device from my network and re-added them all in, nothing.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Why was it so important to get you? Google homeworking.

• 4:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause the weather is like one of the things I ask my Google. It's so nice. Yeah, I can, but like when I'm getting changed in the morning, like after the shower, it's way easier to say, what's the weather? Do I need?

• 4:13Speaker 01

  Part of the routine.

• 4:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's part of the routine for sure.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  I flip the breaker of my house every morning when I get up too, just to make sure I can check the weather.

• 4:20Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, no, no, I, I, that was the one time thing to try and fix everything. Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Tech support.

• 4:25Andrew Manganelli?

  But long story short, and the, the moral of this story is in tech, when something is wrong, always check the simplest version of the problem. And what I did after doing all of these stupid things for hours and hours is I went on my phone and I disconnected it from the wifi and I asked it the weather and it did the same thing, which meant it had nothing to do with my devices or my internet, which meant that it was a Google issue. So then I spent the rest of the day adding all of my smart home devices back onto my account. And then the next day I get tagged in like 30 different times from different articles. That's like Google's having some sort of issue only doing the weather and the time.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 5:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It was only those specific things. So, yeah, there's a million things that went through my head of what could have been wrong.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. It was Google's.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  This is the reason every support person is like, sir, is your computer on?

• 5:22Andrew Manganelli?

  100%. Is the monitor plugged in?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it lying on the ground?

• 5:27Speaker 01

  That probably is the issue like 60% of the time.

• 5:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It, it, I did very little like tech support and it's almost always the like, turn it back on.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, turn it off, turn it back on. It works most of the time. Well, I'm sorry for you and I hope you can now ask the weather to your robot.

• 5:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I can. And they tell me that it is very cold.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  New Jersey.

• 5:47Andrew Manganelli?

  It is very cold.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  It's cold. It just says, it's cold. It's definitely cold.

• 5:51Andrew Manganelli?

  It cold.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Wow. That's how you started your year?

• 5:53Andrew Manganelli?

  That's how I started my year.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  What happens the rest of the year for you?

• 5:57Speaker 01

  I. Many more days.

• 5:59Andrew Manganelli?

  If it happens again, I will be throwing all of my Google stuff out of the window. I can tell, I can guarantee that.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Just Google it first. Make sure it's not.

• 6:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  You know, a server side issue.

• 6:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Dang.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had a fun, I had a weird story that was, it wasn't supposed to be a story, but it turned out to be a story. Which was I, I sold my Cybertruck. I don't know if you saw the headlines.

• 6:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Now, I.

• 6:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Why are there headlines?

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is the thing. So I've, I, you guys knew and a lot of people who follow the channels know I had both a Cybertruck and a Rivian R1T. And we got them, we ordered them around the same time, not knowing which would show up first. And we were going to use them for our car videos, for the tow hitch rig, for the stuff that we set up and get rollers of cars for. And we still use them for that. And I mean, I, they're kind of the, they're the same thing. They're both a big expensive electric truck. So I don't need both of them.

• 6:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  So I was trying to decide which one we're going to keep. And at one point I realized that the Cybertruck had been sitting in the garage for like a month. And I was just using the Rivian for all the things I was normally using it for and for the tow hitch stuff. And for any like picking up stuff, I was like, okay, I think we've made our choice. It's, it's the Rivian that I prefer. And so started the process of selling a Cybertruck, found a private seller, sold it. So I posted an Instagram story, sold the Cybertruck, just for the people who knew that we were still picking. And now you know which one I picked. Within 12 hours of that, there were like CBS News headlines that Mark, that this influencer had picked, you know, over Elon Musk's precious Cybertruck.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  And there were all these reactions from Tesla fans and, you know, I, I only posted the Instagram story. There wasn't really any context, so I eventually updated people on like why I picked the Rivian. There's, they're very similar trucks. I like a lot of things about each of them, but I picked the Rivian. The funny part about that was one of the headlines was that, oh, Marquez and Elon unfollowed each other on, on Twitter.

• 7:56Andrew Manganelli?

  The way I saw it was our subreddit said, Marquez unfollowed Elon. And then

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Some others.

• 8:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I think on Blue Sky I saw, which then I went onto Twitter to see was Elon unfollowed Marquez.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:09Andrew Manganelli?

  And so I think I came in the morning and be like, saw that unfollowing thing. Sorry, that's like blowing up.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I, the funny thing is I didn't unfollow Elon at all. I woke up to find that my account had unfollowed.

• 8:24Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 8:25Speaker 01

  What I assume happened was, you know how you can like, if someone's like going a little nuts.

• 8:29David Imel?

  As a follower.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Or you can like block and unblock, sort of soft unfollow, so they don't know that they unfollowed you.

• 8:35David Imel?

  Does that force them to unfollow you?

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you block someone, they can't follow you anymore. So if you like block them and unblock them, they'll stop seeing your stuff.

• 8:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause there's no notification that you got blocked.

• 8:44David Imel?

  Wait, so our. Did he block you?

• 8:47Speaker 01

  So I was following you. He tweets a ton and I don't really have any like political follows. Like I tweet, I follow people who I want to see their stuff and I don't follow people who I don't want to see their stuff. So Elon is tweeting a lot. I don't know if you noticed. It was getting close where I was like, do I mute him? I still want to see like the important stuff, but there's just too much stuff now. And then when I saw that, I was like, wait, yeah, I just realized I haven't seen any Elon stuff in like a couple of days. So I assume he like did something, either block and unblocked or like.

• 9:18David Imel?

  Well, so now they changed the block, how the block thing works so that you can still see their content. If you go to their profile, you just can't engage with it. So maybe he is still blocking you?

• 9:28Speaker 01

  My theory is, no, he didn't block me. Well, I'm not blocked now. My theory is he just went block, unblock so that I'm no longer following the account.

• 9:35Andrew Manganelli?

  So if I do like.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  You're blocked?

• 9:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Only if you catch it in the time that it's happening. So like if I go to you right now.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Could you block him real quick?

• 9:44Speaker 01

  Can you block me?

• 9:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Block you? Alright, so now if you go to my page.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  It doesn't say anything.

• 9:50Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it says, no, it says Andrew McAnally has blocked you. So now if I unblock you.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Then I won't be following you anymore.

• 9:58Andrew Manganelli?

  But you're not following me anymore.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cool, cool, cool. So look.

• 10:02Andrew Manganelli?

  No confirmation, that's what happened.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  No confirmation. I'm just saying, I just noticed that I had not, I wasn't seeing this stuff anymore. I don't know how personally that guy is taking me selling my Cybertruck, but uh, long story short, um, yeah, the Rivian is, is pretty good at all the things we use it for. I miss things about the Cybertruck. Don't get it wrong. I miss the larger second row, the larger bed, the way better speakers, the four four-wheel steering. There's a lot of things that are better about the Cybertruck, but there are also things that are better about the Rivian, including being smaller and more nimble, parking in New York City with that thing. I have, I like the design better. I like the gear tunnel better. I like a lot of the materials and the build and finish better. So there's things on each side, but I picked one and that was that. But that was, uh, that was what happened over break for me. So.

• 10:45David Imel?

  Everyone dramatizes everything now.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  That's a fact.

• 10:47David Imel?

  You don't want to read about that?

• 10:49Speaker 01

  It's a fact.

• 10:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Because it's not a story. I wish.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Well, the story was like, once the Twitter drama happened, then it's a story for them.

• 10:57Andrew Manganelli?

  The funny thing is, it wasn't even Twitter drama, because you didn't even do anything.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yep, yep.

• 11:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It's Twitter drama that happened to you.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Manufactured, I would say.

• 11:06Andrew Manganelli?

  But here we are.

• 11:07David Imel?

  Well, my break was much less dramatic than both of yours.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 11:10David Imel?

  Um, I just went to California and I went to my rattlesnake den that I grew up in.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 11:17David Imel?

  On top of.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Not a literal rattlesnake den.

• 11:19Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 11:19David Imel?

  What is a rattlesnake den? So.

• 11:23David Imel?

  Yeah, I told you guys how Chuck Yeager, like, ruined my childhood, right? The guy that broke the sound barrier.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  I vaguely remember some of, and like, the street has changed names now or something?

• 11:34David Imel?

  My mom named it, and then he bought my road, and then he renamed it to Chuck Yeager Road.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 11:39David Imel?

  Yeah, anyway, that road, at the top of the road, on the top of the mountain, is a rattlesnake den that my parents did not know was a rattlesnake den when they built the house on top of it.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  An actual rattlesnake.

• 11:48David Imel?

  An actual rattlesnake den.

• 11:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay.

• 11:50David Imel?

  So like, we just had tons of rattlesnakes all the time. Regardless, I went back there, haven't been there since I was like 15, and I was really afraid of getting shot, because there was lots of signs that were like, "Do not come here," like, "Back off," like, all this stuff, because it's in the middle of nowhere. But I went up to the house and I knocked on the door, and a very nice lady let me in. She's like, "Yeah, this lot was just sitting here for like, four years. We bought it from a bank for like, nothing, and then they remodeled it, and it was cute, and it was weird."

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just imagining growth.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  The house that you grew up in.

• 12:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  I've thought about doing that.

• 12:26David Imel?

  It was crazy, because I haven't been there since I was like, 14, which means more than half my life, I have not been associated with that area, so it feels like I watched, it feels like a long time ago, I watched a movie that was my childhood.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  You know, I might have told you guys this already, but a very high percentage of the dreams that I have take place in the house I grew up in.

• 12:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Ninety-plus percent.

• 12:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Elementary school.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  In the school?

• 12:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just like, wandering the halls, and I want to go back to my old school so bad, and just like, walk the halls and see what it's like, but I'm gonna get arrested if I do, so.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't do that. Without being announced, probably don't do that.

• 13:03David Imel?

  Don't do that, please. I did go to my high school because I brought a friend with me and I wanted to show her like everything about my childhood. So I showed her my high school, but it was not open when we went. It was on a weekend.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  But you could still get in.

• 13:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, you went in.

• 13:16David Imel?

  Well, it's there's no inside really. It's like an outdoor.

• 13:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  It's like living in a movie.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yes, I don't know if visiting the house would like solve that or what, but I've driven past it a few times.

• 13:29David Imel?

  Does that still happens to you, the dreams?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  To this day, ninety something percent of the dreams that I have are either in my bedroom, on the stairs between the bedroom and the kitchen, or in just around that house.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  You should keep like a dream journal where you wake up and you write it all down.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  And then we analyze it on the podcast next week.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  One of them recently was on the block of the house. It wasn't in the house, but it was like I rode my bike down that block a lot.

• 13:53David Imel?

  Dang.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, anyway.

• 13:54David Imel?

  Yeah, so yeah, mine was fairly undramatic. I sailed around San Francisco, around the bay on a sailboat. It was really cool. I couldn't go to Lake Tahoe because the pass was snowed over, but and I told you guys this before the podcast started. I started the screen time thing on my phone to see how much time I was going to use my phone every day and it was like twenty four minutes a day.

• 14:14Andrew Manganelli?

  That's crazy.

• 14:14David Imel?

  Which was incredible. It was just my brain was healed.

• 14:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine was the opposite.

• 14:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I had to get those forty five wins in Pokemon the card game and that took a lot of screen time. And I did do it, though.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Oh, speaking of phones, so I did review the OnePlus thirteen. I really like that phone a lot. There's a lot of good things about it. The the main pillars of the review are that there are three things about that phone that are really, really good, but are trends and that are going to be really, really good about a lot of phones in twenty twenty five. The Snapdragon eight Elite is amazing. Great battery, great high end performance, great gaming.

• 14:48David Imel?

  Was it overheating at all?

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Never.

• 14:50David Imel?

  No?

• 14:50Speaker 01

  No issues at all. So I marked that as a win for that chip. The six thousand milliamp hour battery, the carbon, what are we calling it? Silicon carbon battery. Again, awesome. Like the battery in that phone, obviously having a lot of capacity is great, but it also managed the battery great. Could not kill it in a day, not even if I tried. I had like a day where I drove back and forth home and then picked my parents up from the airport and came back in like high brightness. Waze Navigation, the whole time streaming Bluetooth, like five hours of Waze Navigation for the day.

• 15:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Waze Navigation with not plugging in feels.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  That feels like you're trying to kill your phone.

• 15:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it feels.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Cause I was, I was like, I will not plug this phone in. And I got to the end of the day, it was like, yeah, no problem. Forty-four percent, ready to go. So, battery amazing, chip amazing, and then the screen, like, we've seen this for like the past year or so, but it's gonna keep happening. You're gonna get phones with like four thousand nits peak brightness in HDR and like fifteen hundred nits of full screen brightness and high brightness mode. Great screen. I could, I could see it all the time outside, no matter what I tried to do. So, I love that phone. It has also like nailed the other fundamentals. There's some weird quirks in Oxygen OS I don't love, but the thing that's keeping me from using it as a daily is it doesn't have Wi-Fi calling on AT&T. And so I can't, there's not good enough signal in this studio. And so I can't keep using it. I'm missing important calls.

• 16:08Andrew Manganelli?

  This is something I found out with my Zen phone, is that, and I think I remember pleading to people, is like, the phone, it has Wi-Fi calling, right?

• 16:18David Imel?

  The feature is available, it just has to be approved.

• 16:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's really annoying that like carriers apparently have to whitelist it. I think that's what I originally found out with T-Mobile after hours of talking to them.

• 16:29David Imel?

  And they probably won't really do any phone that they don't sell.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yep. It's basically the ones they sell are the ones that get approved. So, the Pixel, the iPhone, the Samsung, the major ones, they all work. And OnePlus phones for years on AT&T have not had Wi-Fi.

• 16:41David Imel?

  T-Mobile, do they still sell OnePlus phones? Cause they had that deal with OnePlus when the OnePlus 6T first came out, where they started selling OnePlus phones.

• 16:49Andrew Manganelli?

  There's some reason I thought Verizon was the OnePlus people.

• 16:51David Imel?

  No, they always like, it always sort of worked on Verizon, but not officially.

• 16:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, I get it.

• 16:56David Imel?

  Yeah, they had like unofficial support for Verizon.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's like years of forum posts from like years and years of OnePlus phones for people on AT&T being like, "Hey, does Wi-Fi calling not work?" And it's, it's been true for a long time. I remember I had this with the OnePlus 7. I wanted to use Wi-Fi calling and it didn't ever show up.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  T-Mobile has a couple?

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 17:15Speaker 03

  I'm also looking at an old page.

• 17:16David Imel?

  Cause I went to their website and I went to smartphones and then I went to brands and there is a OnePlus like filter, but when you click it, it has no results.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  So they at one point sold some OnePlus phones.

• 17:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Either way, I like that phone enough that I would daily it. The camera as a weakness, being a B+ camera is totally fine. So, yeah, that, that was a good, that was a good phone. That was the first review of the year. Go watch that video if you haven't already. We'll link it below.

• 17:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I have kind of a segue from that.

• 17:42David Imel?

  Yes.

• 17:43Andrew Manganelli?

  So one thing with the OnePlus phone is it has their first-party cases, which is something OnePlus does.

• 17:49David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Very good all the time. Actually, I brought some in. And they have these magnets for like MagSafe. One question we've had a lot of that we kind of got the answer to this week at CES.

• 18:01David Imel?

  Unfortunately.

• 18:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Unfortunately, is so the the WPC, the Wireless Power Consortium.

• 18:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:08Andrew Manganelli?

  List Cheeto as needing the magnets and we are Cheeto purists here.

• 18:12David Imel?

  That's right.

• 18:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, a fellow Cheeto purist, Ben Shun.

• 18:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Wrote two articles at CES so far, one about Samsung having Cheeto.

• 18:21David Imel?

  Because they announced that they would.

• 18:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly.

• 18:23David Imel?

  In Galaxy devices.

• 18:24Andrew Manganelli?

  And then like a day later, the WPC announcing that Cheeto will have.

• 18:31David Imel?

  A subs, a subdivision of Cheeto.

• 18:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Extensions.

• 18:34David Imel?

  Extensions.

• 18:35Andrew Manganelli?

  To Cheeto.

• 18:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:35Andrew Manganelli?

  One of them being something called Cheeto Ready.

• 18:38David Imel?

  I hate everything.

• 18:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Which, I know, from them says, "The growth of the Cheeto ecosystem will continue with the introduction of Cheeto Ready certified devices. These devices, smartphones and accessories such as cases, deliver the full Cheeto user experience when paired together in approved combinations."

• 18:54David Imel?

  Well, okay, but you have to have two things. So it's a full experience, but if you also buy the accessories. Can I just point out, it was like, it was like three weeks ago, that that the guy from the Wireless Power Consortium was like, "I need to make something very clear. For something to be Cheeto, it must have magnets."

• 19:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Technically, that is still true. For something to be Cheeto Ready.

• 19:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is like the official naming of it. Not just that it is ready for Cheeto, it is called Cheeto Ready.

• 19:21David Imel?

  Semantics ruin the ruin the world.

• 19:23Andrew Manganelli?

  So, yeah, as if the the wireless coil inside of the phone meets the Cheeto specifications minus the magnets, it is not Cheeto, but if it has.

• 19:34David Imel?

  But it's ready.

• 19:34Andrew Manganelli?

  But it can be called. Case. No, no, no. As long as it has an approved case from Cheeto with the magnets that line up correctly. Then it can be Cheeto Ready.

• 19:42David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. Bad. My take.

• 19:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Mariah is on, she was, she must have been practicing yesterday, she's ready.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  My take is, so I was using the phones and I was, I was happily enjoying that I could slap a case on and then drop it on any MagSafe accessory.

• 19:58David Imel?

  But Marquez.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  And so, so the way I phrased it in the video was like, okay, I'm an, I'm a no case person, because there's two sides of this. I'm a no case person and I literally in the Rivian, I have one of these cases so that when I go drive, I sit down, I put the case on and I pop it in the dash.

• 20:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Doesn't need to be this way.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  And when I get out the car, I take the case off and I go inside. But the other side of that is, let's be honest, most people use a case. And so, if you just spend 20, $30 or whatever it is, yes, it's an upcharge, but it's as good, for most people, it's as good as having.

• 20:34David Imel?

  But then also, in order to be like officially C2, it's going to have, it's going to need a C2 ready certified case and that certification is going to cost money.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  So the case won't be cheap.

• 20:45David Imel?

  So it's either the case won't be cheap or the random case that you buy on Amazon will say it's ready, but won't actually be officially C2 ready. And then it won't really work quite as well, or, I don't even, there's probably, I don't think that they have like a microcontroller that says this is a C2 case. Because you know how Apple, when you put an official MagSafe case on it, it does a little special animation because it knows.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  I think there might be.

• 21:06David Imel?

  Look at the, so there's like the magnet here.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Well, does this phone have C2? It's C2 ready.

• 21:13David Imel?

  Was this?

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Or is it just a magnet?

• 21:15David Imel?

  1+13 says.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe it's not C2.

• 21:16David Imel?

  I think they just have a magnet in the case.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, because OnePlus never used the words C2, but they were, they literally, maybe I shouldn't say this, but in the press briefing, they said, this works with MagSafe. They told me this works with MagSafe. So they're like, use, use MagSafe accessories. And I was like, great.

• 21:30David Imel?

  They won't market it that way.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  They're not going to publicly say that. But they, they also have this little thing up here by the NFC chip, so maybe that has something to do with telling the phone the case is on.

• 21:39David Imel?

  Oh, interesting.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  They each have that.

• 21:41David Imel?

  Okay. Either way, it worked with everything MagSafe, so mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the main thing with Qi2 is like, they want the magnets to align perfectly, so you can get the highest rate of charging possible, because Qi2 standard is going to evolve over time to allow you to pump more power into your phone. And they need to make sure that the coils are perfectly aligned, because otherwise it's meh.

• 22:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It is nice that there's some sort of standard that these cases have to be to get that, which means we're getting the best possible way for it.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:11Andrew Manganelli?

  And honestly, like you said, there's two people, there's case people.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  I mean, I want it in the phone.

• 22:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I know.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Let's be clear.

• 22:17Andrew Manganelli?

  But I think the difference is, everyone outside of listening to this podcast.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Uses a case.

• 22:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Uses a case, and if they get the first-party one, it's perfect.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:25Andrew Manganelli?

  For people in this room and/or listening to this podcast, I think that's where we have the people that might be like, please.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  But just intense irony of all these companies being like, "We etched a special S pattern into the back of the device, and the emerald green reflects our heart." So like, you know, it's like, it's like something like that, and then they're like...

• 22:43David Imel?

  But you're gonna put a case on it, right?

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I will be giving points, I will be giving phones extra credit this year for building in the magnets, put it that way.

• 22:50David Imel?

  Thank you.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  I will be appreciating those extra.

• 22:52David Imel?

  And if you're gonna build in these special silicon carbon batteries or whatever that have more density, then you have more room to put a magnet.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  True, but they're putting some big batteries in these phones.

• 23:02David Imel?

  That's true.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  The numbers of the OnePlus 13 battery, 6,000 milliamp hours.

• 23:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Compared directly with the OnePlus 12, the phone is thinner.

• 23:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Lighter, and has 600 more milliamp hours of battery.

• 23:14David Imel?

  Finally.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 23:15David Imel?

  I remember being like 12 years old and seeing all these articles in Wired, being like, "The battery of the future has just been invented, and it will be in your stuff really soon," and then it never came.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  It's graphene.

• 23:25David Imel?

  So it's just, well graphene was the main one, but it's always like, "This professor just discovered a new way to have unlimited power density," and...

• 23:33Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny, even the silicon carbon one, it's not just silicon carbon, because silicon carbon swells so badly, that it's like a composite.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, with like salt.

• 23:43David Imel?

  Yeah, but it works. These phones are lasting forever.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  So I'm happy about that.

• 23:46David Imel?

  Yeah, I'm glad we're gonna see that a lot more.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  We have a lot more to talk about with CES, etc., so we'll get to that in a second, but before we do that, let's take a quick break and do some trivia.

• 23:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's the longest I've gone without hearing that jingle.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  You mean you didn't play it on every day? Just to hear it once in a while?

• 24:08Andrew Manganelli?

  When I arrive at my destination in my car.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Wow, wake up in a cold sweat to that sound. Well, as you know, CES 2025 is here and we've already seen some bangers come out, but it wouldn't be CES without some absolutely heinous products. I did not make this list, I want you to know that. And so the question for you is, which of the following is not a real product from CES?

• 24:32Andrew Manganelli?

  These are always the best.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  It could be anything.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Okay, so we have a couple of options for you. Option A is a razor heated and cooled gaming chair. Option B is a 3D printer that prints cake batter and bakes it with a laser. That sounds like a lot.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  That sounds dope as hell.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  I want that.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Option C, Samsung stretchable display that just sort of bulges out sometimes.

• 24:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Like bubbles?

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Unclear.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  In what direction?

• 25:02Speaker 03

  This is an Ellis and Adam writing.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  4D.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  Option D, Mirumi? I don't know, a furry little companion bot that imitates

• 25:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Always real?

• 25:13Speaker 03

  imitates a shy infant

• 25:17Speaker 03

  stealing glances nearby people while clinging to a bag strap. That is, that's a title from The Verge.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  That's real.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  That's

• 25:25Speaker 01

  That's gotta be real.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Allegedly. I have no question, I've seen that. I've definitely seen that.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  That's in your dreams. And then option E.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Wait, there's five questions?

• 25:33Speaker 03

  Option E is just, they're all real.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  So I'll let you simmer on that, think about that, and we'll come back.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Man. This is a trick question. Is it a trick question that it's a trick question? That's the I've wanted to, yeah. Well, okay, we'll think about that, answers will be at the end like usual, we'll be right back.

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• 28:04Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. So CES is a thing that's happening. You know what's crazy? I haven't been to CES in, uh, four years.

• 28:13Andrew Manganelli?

  This will be the fourth one you missed, right? Cause we went to 2020.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  I went to 2020, the original Superspreader event.

• 28:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  And I haven't gone since. So 21, I didn't go. 22, I didn't go. 23, I didn't go. 24, I didn't go. Now it's 25.

• 28:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  So this is the fifth one.

• 28:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 28:28David Imel?

  Well, one, two.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  I didn't go to one, two, three, four, or five. I don't hate that. I actually kinda like that we can see all the stuff that's happening at CES. And if there's a couple of things that are standing out like diamonds in the rough, then we can pursue those right after CES. So shout out to everyone who's making the sacrifice, who is in the thick of it in Vegas, who is finding the stuff, right? And now we get to sit here in the cozy podcast studio and go, oh, that seems cool.

• 28:53Andrew Manganelli?

  The real heroes out there.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  So yeah, shout out to the frontline workers at CES. One of the biggest headlines, of course, is Nvidia sort of delivers their keynote. They have the RTX 5000 series cards. There are new prices, new capabilities, new AI stuff. Uh, Andrew being a resident gamer, do you want to walk us through?

• 29:13Andrew Manganelli?

  David and I are gonna tackle this together.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Because we both play games. This is, do you know how Tim and Miles did it once and they were really ripped? This was the like, the light version of that.

• 29:26David Imel?

  The discount version.

• 29:27Andrew Manganelli?

  The discount version, but, um, we're gonna cover this together. We're not gaming channels.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:34Andrew Manganelli?

  They're a gaming channel. You all know LTT and Gamers Nexus will do the like insane coverage of this stuff.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  I've watched some of them.

• 29:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I watched some, I watched Linus's first one.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I watched some of the highlight stuff, yeah.

• 29:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So let's start with the graphics card.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause the 50 series, I'm sure you're gonna get some [__] for calling it the 5000 series.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  My bad, 50 series. But it's RTX 5070, 5070 Ti, 5080, 5090.

• 29:54Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what got released, correct?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  That's what got shown on stage. And they had the price tags and there was a big screenshot of like, this one's cheap, it's a good deal. This one's expensive. That's crazy.

• 30:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's start there.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Prices.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Good way to start.

• 30:06Andrew Manganelli?

  5070, 549, 5070 Ti, 749, 5080, 999, 5090.

• 30:14Andrew Manganelli?

  One thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars. So the, the thing that strikes right there is that I believe the fifty seventy, fifty seventy TI and fifty eighty, if you take their forty series counterparts are all cheaper than they were when the forty series originally came out.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 30:31Andrew Manganelli?

  While the fifty ninety is four hundred dollars more than when the, did I say fifty, the fifty ninety is four hundred dollars more than the original sixteen hundred dollar base of the forty ninety when it first came out.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Two thousand dollars is a crazy number.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Forty ninety, the first one to have a ninety?

• 30:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought there was a thirty ninety.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Was there a thirty ninety? Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Was there a twenty?

• 30:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I know the forty ninety was. Us asking that is where you should gauge how much you take.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  I used to be really into this stuff a long time ago.

• 31:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. The thirty ninety, I believe, is the one that we got in the main gear.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  That was a forty ninety.

• 31:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  The eight K gaming one, so the thirty ninety?

• 31:08Andrew Manganelli?

  The thirty ninety was like, they, I've, I've always found gaming so interesting, be graphics cards specifically because tech just gets so small. And gaming does get smaller, but it costs so much money to, to make your computer smaller that just like, PC gaming computers are still gigantic and we're still spending so much money.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Empty the studio was back then. Oh, my God. So that was four years ago. We did a RTX thirty ninety with a gaming in eight K and it handled it and we uploaded the video in eight K. And we nearly broke YouTube processing, but.

• 31:38Andrew Manganelli?

  It took like a week to process.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  It literally took a week to process. Yeah.

• 31:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, wow. So I think what I always find interesting with graphic cards, especially from Nvidia being released, is there's always like two groups. It's what's like the cheapest one that I can compare to a previous series and then what's the most expensive one?

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Here we have the two thousand dollar fifty ninety and one thing they said on stage was that the fifty seventy at five hundred and fifty dollars is. Comparable performance to the 4090.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  This is the one I saw the most chatter about.

• 32:10Andrew Manganelli?

  For sure. I think that is the most chatter.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  Initially, the reaction of, oh, my God, the 5070 is cheaper than the 4090 and delivers the same performance. This is amazing, great, universally positive. That's the first reaction. And then the second wave of reaction that I saw was, wait a second. Really? And I think a lot of what Jensen, the CEO of Nvidia, said on stage about AI frame interpolation, you know, X percentage of these pixels are rendered, but the rest of them are AI-generated. That being not exactly the same as a 4090 is what most of the conversation I've seen has been about. I still think it's going to be a good card. It's 550. It's going to give you great performance. Seems like it. Linus did a video of being the first one to game on one of these cards.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Like, it looks like it's going to be a good card, but I think that that line was what got.

• 32:59Andrew Manganelli?

  In Linus's video, he got to try Cyberpunk on two computers right next to each other. One had a 4090 in it, one had a 5090 in it. And from the frames he was getting, he was getting double the frames in Cyberpunk at like full settings. Now, there's a lot of questions to how it was set up in the like full settings. He went through it quickly. They're obviously going to pick things that work really well. And there were some things that weren't quite perfect. I think one of them specifically was if you're moving really fast, the text in the like UI or like floating text was blurry and some things weren't quite doing as well. So I'm interested to see what their real findings are when they're outside of the Nvidia booth that they got like captured into after the event.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  People are going to find ways to expose the AI part.

• 33:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the biggest question is like what you said, is if we're focusing so much on AI because they introduced Blackwell chipset or something in it. That there's so much AI and they even said the reason the 5070 can be comparable to the 4090 is would be impossible without the AI enhancements that they made.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:04Andrew Manganelli?

  So clearly, there's a lot of AI helping in here. And whether those frames are comparable is what we will find out from all of these different, you know, gaming channels that dive really deep into it.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:15Andrew Manganelli?

  But I think people listening to us that right now aren't calling us morons. Because there's a lot of them and I understand why you're doing it. The other type of people who are like, oh, cool, a 5070 might be somewhat comparable to a 4090 and for $550. Those people probably will be like, cool, I'm getting some frames and things generally do look pretty good for this price tag. I think that's probably, I think the 5070 looks like the more interesting lineup right now.

• 34:42David Imel?

  The architecture of the chip is obviously going to be focused on AI because that's what Nvidia is focusing everything on right now. And something that AI is good at is upscaling. So I would imagine that a lot of the frames that they're quoting is with their enhanced upscaling capabilities. Because you can just interpolate frames and have them be a higher quality and also interpolate resolution. So I imagine the discourse when these cards come out is going to be like, well, what's the true performance? And then like, oh, the upscaling kind of messed up here and it doesn't look perfect. And there's going to be a lot of discourse around.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I almost want to make a graph of like, the 4090 got here and this new card is going to get slightly higher, but then plus AI.

• 35:21David Imel?

  Plus AI.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Makes it double. You're like, oh, okay.

• 35:24Andrew Manganelli?

  And I think a lot of that will also depend on the, how optimized games are for specific things like that as well. So like, there could be some optimizations where some games are going to run way better on this new AI chip. Or like the AI power from these new cards. So it's like every piece of tech, it's going to be super subjective to like what you're doing. And but either way, it's like, I think this is hands down the most chatter from CES.

• 35:53David Imel?

  Yeah, you know, it's funny, so the 5070, 549, I've not followed this stuff super closely for a long time. But in, I don't know, 2015 or something, 2014, when the 970 came out. I remember that being a big deal because that's four gigabytes of video memory, except only three and a half of those gigabytes. By the way, $349. So just saying, it was, it was like $200 cheaper and that was like considered a great deal. Yeah. But I had three and a half gigs of super fast video memory and then half a gig of super slow video memory. They got sued over it. I got a $35 check in the mail over a frustrating lawsuit.

• 36:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone's gotten that $30 check. Mine was from AMD a long time ago.

• 36:38David Imel?

  Yeah. Also, Jensen wore this alligator, um, like jacket. Yeah. His jacket to be an alligator leather.

• 36:46Andrew Manganelli?

  We're saying it was the RTX jacket.

• 36:48David Imel?

  It was.

• 36:48Andrew Manganelli?

  RTX on jacket.

• 36:50David Imel?

  He usually wears this jacket. It was like a, just a regular leather jacket that he wears at every single trade show.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  But he upgraded.

• 36:59David Imel?

  But he upgraded it to, let me see if I can find a photo.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  I think my.

• 37:01David Imel?

  Sure, if you generate a trillion dollars in shareholders, you can just grab a new jacket. I think that's sort of what the vibe is. All the billionaires recently have been flexing crazy jackets. Zuck has his chains, you know?

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Should we get new jackets?

• 37:14David Imel?

  We're not billionaires. I don't think we get to do that.

• 37:17Andrew Manganelli?

  My favorite comment on one of the videos covering this was after he announced the pricing, he pulled out this like cardboard cutout of like the chip so that he could show what all the different things were physically.

• 37:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:31Andrew Manganelli?

  What was holding in front of him was a big circle and someone's like, he had to pull the shield out after he announced prices to the crowd that apparently just went kind of silent when the night, the 5090 price got.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  I watched one of those super cuts of like them showing the prices and them showing the 5070 got a lot of people riled up and then they revealed the entire price spectrum and everyone went, oh.

• 37:51David Imel?

  I will say 5080 999 to 5090 1,0099 is nuts.

• 37:56Andrew Manganelli?

  That's crazy. There's gotta be a 5080 TI coming out at some point, right?

• 38:01David Imel?

  Or maybe a.

• 38:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Something's gonna slip in between there.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  So I have a, I have a question that might not be able to be answered if you haven't been in the thick of this for a while, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

• 38:09David Imel?

  I'll try.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Are GPUs in the same kind of category of smartphones where when the new one comes out, the last generation ones drop in price where they might be a better deal?

• 38:19David Imel?

  They don't really sell them much anymore after that.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:22David Imel?

  Generally, it's like you have to get them secondhand, but they drop in price by a lot.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Right. Cause nobody wants a 4070 anymore.

• 38:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Even though it was probably just fine as a card literally a year ago.

• 38:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  So I.

• 38:34Andrew Manganelli?

  If they're available, I'm sure they get. Grabbed pretty quickly when they drop and secondary market of GPUs is like the worst thing you could go into because they'll all be like lightly used and lightly used means like

• 38:47David Imel?

  For crypto mining.

• 38:50David Imel?

  For two and a half years.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Like literally never stop working soon. Yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  I have a question. Um, is this one of the first GPUs to quote to use AI to enhance?

• 39:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Sure not.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  They've been using the DLSS thing for a while.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Is it just like a rebrand of like now we're calling this?

• 39:07Speaker 01

  I think they're dedicating more compute specifically to drive that more. I think that, I mean, this is the whole theme of CES in general is how can we lean into AI making our stuff better? And if you're Nvidia, it's let's make as many improvements to this specific technology in these GPUs as possible, even though it's existed for a while. Yeah. So that's how you

• 39:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Lots of flops going on. That's how I know. I have no idea what's going on and we're just all AI.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  Don't call for the trap.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  So yeah, that, you know, that was the headlining event was Nvidia's announcements.

• 39:39Andrew Manganelli?

  They also did a couple of quick things that David might be able to ask, do better on, which was their like personal AI supercomputer and this like robotic chip.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I tuned out for those. Yeah. Just being honest.

• 39:51David Imel?

  They, they announced their own, your own personal supercomputer, which to be clear, they also announced a like lighter, way cheaper version of this in December, which was $250 and could do eight billion parameters, but they announced one at CES that can do 200 billion parameters and is $3,000.

• 40:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It was like the size of a Mac mini.

• 40:14David Imel?

  It's like a gold Mac mini. It looks like, it sort of looks like a Mac mini if it was 3D printed.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  A current Mac mini?

• 40:21David Imel?

  Yeah, current Mac mini. It's tiny. It's called Nvidia digits. Um, it has 128 gigabytes of unified memory and four terabytes of NVMe storage. So definitely fast. You can link two of them together to handle 405 billion parameters. Um, and for context, I think Meta's top tier llama model is exactly 405 billion parameters. So it's like you could run your own top tier llama model on it. For $6,000.

• 40:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I guess my primary question was gonna be, what do you do with one of these that you wouldn't?

• 40:51David Imel?

  So it's mostly for, it's mostly for startups and people that wanna develop AI applications.

• 40:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 40:56David Imel?

  So, yeah.

• 40:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 40:57David Imel?

  But it is crazy because most, you used to have to like rent out like cloud processing for like a lot of money.

• 41:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 41:06David Imel?

  To be able to do this kinda stuff from different companies and now you can have one locally.

• 41:10Andrew Manganelli?

  The value proposition is like, it runs dramatically faster and probably more efficiently if you have all this locally and you can do way more development on that machine rather than depending on paying someone for cloud.

• 41:20David Imel?

  You own it in person instead of doing it in the cloud.

• 41:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Got it.

• 41:23David Imel?

  Um, and also you have access to all of Nvidia's like models and software libraries and development kits and stuff.

• 41:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Which have great names, by the way.

• 41:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:31Andrew Manganelli?

  They just all have great names.

• 41:32David Imel?

  They do.

• 41:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Lots of llamas and stuff, it's just, it's great.

• 41:36David Imel?

  Yeah, um, so it runs on a Linux-based DGX OS and supports all these different frameworks. It's pretty cool for startups, I would say, like, I think the $250 one is probably for like the hobbyist or high school student or college student.

• 41:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Hobbyist.

• 41:51David Imel?

  Which is becoming a thing.

• 41:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It is.

• 41:53David Imel?

  Yeah, becoming a thing. But if you're a startup, like $6,000 to run the two of these in parallel and run like the top, some of the top tier models is pretty good value proposition.

• 42:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 42:06David Imel?

  I did not pay much attention to the robotics thing. Did you?

• 42:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't, okay, here are the two things that I remember from it and they're going to be extremely vague.

• 42:14David Imel?

  Okay.

• 42:14Andrew Manganelli?

  And one is just more funny. So the one thing I saw is that they were developing some sort of like, I don't know if, like, digital teaching for humanoid robots. So like, the reason we can do all this automation in cars is because we can attach cameras to cars and figure that out. Whereas we can't just send like test humanoid robots out all over the place. So they have a lot of video that they're taking from to teach robots digitally and do all of these different, um, act, like, tasks and stuff in a digital world. So it's not creating massive wear and tear on robots and, and chaos, I guess.

• 42:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, which I thought was kind of cool, but I didn't fully understand.

• 42:54David Imel?

  Also done that to train its, uh, car systems.

• 42:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 42:58David Imel?

  It's like car visual learning systems.

• 43:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Digitally.

• 43:00David Imel?

  It trains them in a virtual world, so it can do it way faster and without actually hurting anybody.

• 43:06Andrew Manganelli?

  If we kept all of it in that digital world, I'd be okay with it.

• 43:09David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Andrew Manganelli?

  The other funny thing I just saw is- I'm pretty sure it was on a screen and not physically, but he like talked about this robotic chip. And how like this new chip could power a robotic brain or like a function. Something of it. And they brought up all these different potential like humanoid robots in the back and Tesla bot just wasn't one of them, which I thought was funny.

• 43:29David Imel?

  This is gonna be.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Optimus?

• 43:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, Atlas was there.

• 43:33David Imel?

  Oh, really?

• 43:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, so Optimus was, no, yeah, Atlas was there, Optimus.

• 43:36David Imel?

  This is gonna be the EV week at the White House moment, except for robotics, huh?

• 43:41Speaker 01

  He, well, yeah. Hmm. Tesla makes their own chip, right? Or do they use Nvidia chips? So they make their own chips. Maybe Nvidia is just trying to show things that use their own chips.

• 43:49David Imel?

  Does the Boston Dynamics one use an Nvidia chip? Probably.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  I wouldn't be shocked.

• 43:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I have no clue.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  I don't know, to be clear. But yeah, I would assume that that's what they're doing.

• 43:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:57Andrew Manganelli?

  So, speaking of robots.

• 43:59David Imel?

  Yes.

• 44:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's move to something far more important.

• 44:02David Imel?

  Okay. So I went through and just kind of picked out a bunch of fun CES picks. Lots of weird stuff, lots of fun stuff. The first one, because Andrew said we're speaking of robots. There are many new robot vacuums, like many new ones. And the fun thing about CES this year is that there are so many different robo vacuum companies now that they all have to differentiate themselves somehow. So they're all doing the robot vacuum thing, but also doing really weird other stuff.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 44:33David Imel?

  So I listed some of the most fun ones. Um, there is the Switchbot K20 Plus Pro, horrible name, which is also an air purifier, security camera, and iPad holder.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Wow, Astro could never.

• 44:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It sounds like DJ Roomba from Parks and Rec.

• 44:49David Imel?

  It kinda is. Uh, there's the Ufie Clean E20, which allows the suction part to detach. And then you can attach a stick vacuum to the suction part. So that's like multi-stage.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Corners?

• 45:03David Imel?

  You can do the corners better.

• 45:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Or so I guess like it can do one room, but then you can attach it and pull it up to another room and manually?

• 45:09David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:10Andrew Manganelli?

  That's kinda cool.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Kinda cool.

• 45:13David Imel?

  I, it might be one of those things where like something that tries to do multiple things just does both of them worse, but.

• 45:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I 100% believe that.

• 45:23David Imel?

  There were multiple robots that have little like side things that come out to clean corners that are better than they used to be. The Dreamy X50 Ultra can go up short stairs.

• 45:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, I was just going to say that. I need the one where like the legs pop out and like tiptoe up my stairs.

• 45:43David Imel?

  It's kinda, it has these like, these like weird, I don't even know what to call them. They're wheels, but they're like triangular wheels that kind of like, like pull it up the stairs like this.

• 45:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 45:54David Imel?

  But it can't be, it can't be big stairs. It has to be like really short steps.

• 45:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I was gonna say, cause I'm in a ranch, but I do have two stairs between my like living room, front hallway and the rest of my house. So I need something that can just do two stairs. They're normal sized stairs.

• 46:09David Imel?

  Oh dang.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  You could drop, drop a ramp down for the little robot.

• 46:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I would, I would have to make like a 15 foot ramp to go up two stairs just.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  And it's always dirty under the ramp, but the robot always goes up the ramp.

• 46:22David Imel?

  Yeah. But I think the weirdest and most fun one is the Robo Box Saros Z70, which has a little mechanical arm that pops out of the top and it can pick up things like your socks and underwear from around.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 46:37David Imel?

  And you can set designated locations for it to just like collect the laundry and put it in certain areas.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 46:43David Imel?

  This is why, cause you know how we were just talking about this? Like there's a bunch of humanoid robots and everyone's like, yeah, it could do your chores. It could like vacuum your house. Guys, the vacuum is the robot. It has a little arm, comes out and like does stuff and like vacuums it. That's, that's what it is.

• 46:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I stress test this? Because having a toddler means my living room every single day is just.

• 47:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think you understand how many toys get on the ground from one day of playing. My night, every night is putting all the toys back. I could watch, it would have to pick up a hundred different things and I would love to see.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  How much time do you have?

• 47:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I would, I'll stress test.

• 47:21David Imel?

  It also has, I mean, the pincher claws are not like, they're not thick. They're very kind of like.

• 47:26Andrew Manganelli?

  They're mostly small toys.

• 47:29David Imel?

  I saw, I saw a couple of videos of this and there were a couple of socks that it would like, it was kinda like a claw machine where like some, it would get it most of the time, but sometimes it would like kinda get it and it would dangle for a second then fall. But they're actually releasing this.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, but something you said. It says it can hold 300 grams. That's not, that's like barely half a pound.

• 47:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That's like less than the amount of like.

• 47:50David Imel?

  It's like a phone. Isn't a phone like 300 grams?

• 47:53Speaker 01

  There's videos of picking up shoes.

• 47:55David Imel?

  Okay.

• 47:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Not, not high top Jordans.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  When I say videos, I mean renders on their website. But.

• 48:01Andrew Manganelli?

  That's like a Birkenstock.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Slower than that.

• 48:03David Imel?

  It's like an UG boot, so. It is funny because like previously you had to keep your house really clean for these robots to work. Um, or at least with nothing on the ground.

• 48:12Andrew Manganelli?

  And like if it could pick a wire up and just like go underneath it.

• 48:15David Imel?

  That was the main thing.

• 48:16Andrew Manganelli?

  That's the number one killer of robot.

• 48:18David Imel?

  Yeah, true.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  The number.

• 48:21David Imel?

  Especially in this studio, because we've had plenty and we've tried a bunch, the number one killer of like walking in the next day. And it's just like strangling itself with wires. Like it's just the wires.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  What if we give it a pair of scissors? It cuts through the wires.

• 48:34David Imel?

  And then behind it, it like sews it back together.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:36David Imel?

  Oh, my God. It solders it back together on the back end. Um, yeah, so that was actually coming out in May or June of this year, which is hilarious.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Never stops CESing.

• 48:45David Imel?

  So, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm here for all the weird robot vacuums. There was, there was one that could, like it had a mop on it, but it would pick itself up like a short amount. When it did carpet, so that it, the mop didn't touch the carpet and the vacuum part would still vacuum.

• 49:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, so it was both, because you would previously need a mop one and a vacuum one?

• 49:06David Imel?

  Yeah, it was one that like, yeah, it would lift itself up after it mopped to do the carpet. And it would keep going. So it is very fun seeing all these companies go crazy with this.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Man.

• 49:17David Imel?

  Uh, okay. Second headline for CES.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:21David Imel?

  You guys have heard of the LG Stand My V Go.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 49:24David Imel?

  Which we bought last year because it was a thousand dollars. That is the suitcase. Um, TV, I guess. Yeah, it's a TV.

• 49:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 49:33David Imel?

  And we joked about bringing it on an airplane and stuff like that. Well, LG has announced the Stand By Me Go 2. Which is even more portable in some senses of the word. Cause a suitcase TV, you couldn't actually take it out of the suitcase. It had like these mechanisms that kept it in the suitcase, but it could be angled. This one is a fully, just, it's just a display, but it comes with a strap. So you can like carry it around on your shoulder if you want.

• 50:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's different.

• 50:02David Imel?

  It has a clamshell case that looks just like the iPad clamshell case that like closes on the front to protect it. And it is also a folio, so it like can stand up on its own. And now the remote magnetizes to the top of it as well. So, yeah, their booth at CES had them basically just like having the strap and just like hanging it on the wall. It's like, yeah, hang your TV on the wall where you go.

• 50:26Andrew Manganelli?

  But like hanging on the wall means it's just battery powered?

• 50:29David Imel?

  Yes, it's battery powered.

• 50:30Andrew Manganelli?

  And the plug is on the side. So like it won't be as clean hanging on the wall. But there is something really funny, just thinking about somebody shoulder slinging their Stand By Me Go and like. I mean, walking around.

• 50:43David Imel?

  We got the, you got, you got the dancing pizza guys outside of pizza places, you know, spinning the signs and stuff. Now you can spin a TV.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Have a guy with a TV.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  It kinda reminds me of like a fast food drive through sign. You could put up like the menu on it, but in your house.

• 50:58David Imel?

  They last four hours. So it lasts four hours, pretty good. USB C charging.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  It's actually longer than I thought you would say.

• 51:04David Imel?

  It's up to.

• 51:04Andrew Manganelli?

  And still not anywhere near long enough.

• 51:06David Imel?

  Yeah, I know, I know. But it's up to 1440p instead of 1080 from last time.

• 51:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  This is the perfect place to unveil that CES.

• 51:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  That's the perfect place.

• 51:17David Imel?

  LG does some weird stuff.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Evergreen.

• 51:19David Imel?

  I'm gonna jump to another LG one real quick. Just, this is a personal favorite from CES. And I know some people might not find this that interesting, but I think it's cool as hell. This is a lamp slash speaker slash garden slash garden water.

• 51:36Andrew Manganelli?

  The more slashes at CES, the better.

• 51:39David Imel?

  Interesting. I think it's quite attractive. Go on. It's like an accent lamp. And then that lamp shines down directly on a garden that you can grow things in that is auto-watered from a reservoir in the lamp. And also, it is a 120-watt, 4.1-channel Bluetooth speaker.

• 51:59Andrew Manganelli?

  There also is a like side-table version of this.

• 52:03David Imel?

  Life's good, baby. Life is good. Wow.

• 52:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I like the end-table version of this.

• 52:09David Imel?

  There's two versions. There's a very tall one, and then there's like a shorter end-table version.

• 52:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 52:13David Imel?

  I think they're both cool as hell.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Before we leave the LG train, I just want to play you the first five seconds of a reel from The Verge. They went to CES, and they found another LG creation, so I just want to let you guys hear this.

• 52:26David Imel?

  What was it? Does it say in the reel?

• 52:30Speaker 07

  Have you ever wanted to use your microwave as a selfie camera?

• 52:34David Imel?

  Nice.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  LG is there for you, let me tell you.

• 52:37David Imel?

  Are they the ones that put the camera inside of the microwave, too? Because someone put a camera inside the microwave so you can watch your food cooking.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  That's old news, though. What if you want to stand outside the microwave while it cooks your food and do a TikTok dance on the camera?

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Now you can. LG has made this possible. I'm just, they're thinking of everything.

• 52:55David Imel?

  Life's good, dude. They got out of smartphones, which is a stressful industry, and they just decided to do whatever the heck they wanted.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  Side quests. Do you think that the plant-combo light speaker, when you're blasting the speaker, will your plants be upset by the volume?

• 53:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Depends.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  It'll be good for them.

• 53:11Andrew Manganelli?

  What are you blasting?

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Probably good for them.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  See, that's what I'm saying. If you're playing like metal music, or you're playing like orchestral music.

• 53:17David Imel?

  Look, when you're pregnant, you play Mozart to your baby. It's the same thing, right?

• 53:21Speaker 01

  There's for sure been studies about people who, not people, but if you talk to the plants, they grow better. No?

• 53:28Speaker 03

  I believe it. This is a science podcast.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  I promise there's been A B texting of like. And I'm, I'm just spewing misinformation now, but I, I've also read that and I've looked into specifically money trees. Cause I have one and if you, uh, every once in a while just shake it. Cause it just sits there, but it shakes it as if it experiences wind and gets stronger.

• 53:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I've heard that for fiddly fig.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  So it's, that's like, you have to pay attention to the plant a little bit. And I think if you play the right music, that speaker will help it grow better.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  So do you come home and shake your plant?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 54:01Andrew Manganelli?

  He has this Google task, shake money tree.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Just a little, just a little, yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  I like it. I like it.

• 54:08David Imel?

  Well, LG is unfortunately not announced pricing or availability of these, um,

• 54:13Speaker 01

  dang it.

• 54:13David Imel?

  combination.

• 54:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I actually want the plant side table.

• 54:17David Imel?

  I want both of them, but they're probably going to be really expensive.

• 54:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I want it with rosemary in it. So it just smells like rosemary in my room.

• 54:23David Imel?

  I was thinking you could grow like mint or something and then you just always have fresh mint for your tea and stuff. Oh my God.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  Also I just Googled, should you shake your money tree? And the AI told me no.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  But if it's working for you.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  But it's like flourishing. It's like doing so well.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  Then keep, keep doing this.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Also like talk to it. So.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  It's one of those two things. It's helping it for sure. Yeah.

• 54:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, LG is out there.

• 54:46David Imel?

  LG is out there. Okay. Next. Do you guys remember Bird Buddy? Yeah. So we talked about this on the podcast previously, and I believe that they sent us.

• 54:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I have one.

• 54:55David Imel?

  A Bird Buddy to use after we called them out on the podcast. That was a camera that you would put like, it's like a smart bird feeder, basically. And it would take pictures and analyze birds that showed up to your bird feeder and be like, oh, you've got a mockingjay today. And it would be a funny photo of the bird. They have, uh, expanded or should I say shrunk?

• 55:14Speaker 01

  This is such a good like shark tank story.

• 55:16David Imel?

  Yes. Um, so now they are doing plants and bugs with a new bird feeder, Bird Buddy feeder. They rebranded or like put themselves under an umbrella of wonder now. So there's all these like wonder devices. But yeah, now they have these special cameras that you put on your plants. Um, and some of them have their own, um, solar panels. And you can sort of contort the camera around different things. So there's some that you can basically use as a vine to go like around.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Gorillapod style.

• 55:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's a gorillapod camera.

• 55:51David Imel?

  To be able to point at certain things in a special way. They look really good and they're cute and they kind of, kind of go all over your garden. But they also will like recognize different bugs and they'll say, this butterfly is this. And then one of the few actually good uses of a chatbot. Um, it will tell you about all of the bugs and stuff and summarize all of the bugs that came to your garden. And you can ask them about the bugs that came to your garden, which I think is very adorable.

• 56:17Andrew Manganelli?

  $300 on this to be like, that's the invasive blank beetle. So enjoy the tree service where you have to cut down eight trees for $1,500.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  It's just like 200 lanternflies.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  That's what you get in New Jersey. You just be like, you got nothing. You got nothing. You got one spider. You got 150 lanternflies.

• 56:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 56:36David Imel?

  Yeah. So they also created these new things called the Wonder Blocks, which are these modular systems that you can put around to attract different types of, uh, bugs and butterflies and stuff. And they sell things like a plant base, a butterfly feeder. Um, it basically looks like a little honeycomb nest. But you can grow plants in them. It's cool. Like they really, they really took a phenomenon and ran with it. Which I think they're doing a great job.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  The last line in the Verge article is Petal and Wonder Blocks will be available on Kickstarter in the spring of this year with no details on price. So it's an announcement of a Kickstarter.

• 57:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Kickstarter's are weird now though, where like these companies that are established already do it. And it just feels like a different way of pre-ordering.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I imagine they're using it to try to find how much demand there is before they start ordering and shipping and all that production stuff. But that's your, your asterisk.

• 57:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause BirdBuddy is already a company that.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 57:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Delivers a product.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  But how much, how much could they be making?

• 57:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Beats me. Yeah, so it's pretty good. I like my bird buddy.

• 57:38David Imel?

  Kickstarter, yeah. Oh, yeah. You have the bird buddy.

• 57:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I do.

• 57:40David Imel?

  How's it still, still operational?

• 57:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I need to get a new post for it so I can bring it closer to my house because my wifi signal was having a little issue with it. And it was just dying a bit faster because of it. Um, so yes, I'm in the process of upgrading a steak. It is so cold outside though, that I, it is not a priority.

• 57:58David Imel?

  Not a lot of birds. Fair. They also said that they're going to be selling a optional solar panel that goes on your roof that can power the cameras and stuff. So.

• 58:07Andrew Manganelli?

  That's pretty cool.

• 58:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  I do feel like the downfall of a lot of these outdoor things is you need a really good router for your signal to reach into your yard. And mine is not good enough.

• 58:16Andrew Manganelli?

  No, that's a really good point because we wanted to get one for my father-in-law, but their internet and router is terrible. But he's a big bird fan, but I don't, I literally don't think I could set one up at his house.

• 58:26David Imel?

  I got birds, boy.

• 58:27Andrew Manganelli?

  We got birds.

• 58:28David Imel?

  Um, do we want to do our stuff at the end of the CES stuff and we'll go through all the other stuff first?

• 58:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, let's do cars and the two keyboard things after the break and we'll rip the rest of this up now.

• 58:38David Imel?

  Okay, you've heard of Dell.

• 58:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Dude, you're getting a Dell.

• 58:46David Imel?

  Dell seems to have taken a lot of tech YouTubers advice in a certain direction.

• 58:54David Imel?

  There are many companies that create bad naming schemes for their stuff. Sony actually did the same thing last week. They named a pair of headphones like Sony Ultra Max or something.

• 59:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And they went like self-aware.

• 59:06David Imel?

  That's not what they're called, but.

• 59:07Andrew Manganelli?

  And made.

• 59:08David Imel?

  They made a self-aware meme about it, which was funny. But Dell did basically the same thing. So you remember the XPS brand? Dell XPS has been a tried and true beloved.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  One of the more established brands in the BCS.

• 59:22David Imel?

  Quite. Like people that are into tech know about this brand.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'd be a shame if something happened to it.

• 59:26David Imel?

  Well, that did. So unfortunately, the shame was shamed. Uh, we no longer have Inspiron XPS or Latitude. Now we have Dell, Dell Pro, and you guessed it, Dell Pro Max.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  This is not a joke.

• 59:44Andrew Manganelli?

  When I told Mark has that on like Monday. There's some things that just get Marques to do the perfect, just like head down disappointment. And that was one that I haven't seen in a while.

• 59:54David Imel?

  I saw something on Blue Sky where someone was like, now that all the companies are naming things Pro and Pro Max, Apple should just change it to something else.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  You know what's actually worse about this is they still subdivide each tier.

• 1:00:07David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  By premium, plus, and base.

• 1:00:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  So you can get the Dell base, or the Dell plus, or the Dell premium.

• 1:00:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Or the Dell Pro base, the Dell Pro plus, the Dell Pro premium, or the Dell Pro Max base, the Dell Pro Max plus.

• 1:00:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Or the Dell Pro Max premium.

• 1:00:31David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32David Imel?

  That's...

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  I think like online, this is not going to be as big of a deal because the options will be right in front of you and you can see the changes, but someone trying to sell this in a Best Buy store is going to have the worst time. Here's an interesting counterpoint is, was it always clear to the average person who was walking into a Best Buy and about to buy a laptop, which one they should buy, XPS Inspiron or Latitude?

• 1:00:55David Imel?

  No.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  I feel like looking at the specs.

• 1:00:57David Imel?

  This potentially like puts it in order better, just makes it more annoying, you know?

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  It's not worse necessarily.

• 1:01:03David Imel?

  It's just, it's just cringy.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  It's just cringe.

• 1:01:05Andrew Manganelli?

  It's only because it's Pro Max. If it was like, yeah, like...

• 1:01:09David Imel?

  If it was Pro Plus, it would be like not as bad, honestly. It's just, yeah.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Or if they just said, like, if they didn't have these sub tiers and they just said it's configurable, I think that would be fine.

• 1:01:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I do think that's where you lose, like, somebody who doesn't know much about laptops wants a very distinct naming of like,

• 1:01:30Andrew Manganelli?

  base, middle of the ground, best.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think they could have done Dell, which it's just called the Dell.

• 1:01:37David Imel?

  Well, the Dell base, or the Dell plus, or the Dell premium. Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  The Dell...

• 1:01:42David Imel?

  Base.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43David Imel?

  Give me the what?

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  Give me the base Dell.

• 1:01:45David Imel?

  Geez, okay.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Plus, I don't know.

• 1:01:47David Imel?

  I don't, but you could have walked into a store and you could have said, oh, I like the way that one looks. What are the specs like? Best Buy could carry like three SKUs of each without naming them something different. You know what I mean?

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59David Imel?

  Anyway, I'm not like against this. I just think it's a little cringe, but that's okay.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04David Imel?

  You're allowed to be a little cringe.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  You're allowed to be cringe.

• 1:02:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  You're allowed to kill your best, most successful brand name you've had in years.

• 1:02:11David Imel?

  Which to be fair, like XPS was the only, like, we knew Inspiron, but we also knew them as like the really cheap, like, school laptops that were bulky and not that good.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  Did anyone here have a Dell Latitude? That was an absolute unit. Um, those things are bricks.

• 1:02:25David Imel?

  I had one from like 2005 or something. It was my first laptop ever and it was insanely thick.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  Indestructible.

• 1:02:34David Imel?

  Indestructible.

• 1:02:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I miss Sony Vio.

• 1:02:36David Imel?

  Hmm. Well, they split, Vio got split off.

• 1:02:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I'm just saying I miss it.

• 1:02:40David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:02:41Andrew Manganelli?

  There's no rhyme or reason for it. That was my like old, my eighth grade home computer.

• 1:02:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Big old Sony Vio.

• 1:02:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It was awesome.

• 1:02:49David Imel?

  They were cool. Okay.

• 1:02:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Think that's everything except for keys and cars.

• 1:02:55David Imel?

  Keys and cars.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Should we do keys and cars after the break?

• 1:02:57Andrew Manganelli?

  We can do that after the break, I think.

• 1:02:59David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Keys and cars after the break. You heard it here first, but that does mean we have one more break to do some trivia.

• 1:03:07David Imel?

  Scooby doo da da. Trivia, dude.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  All right. Our second question for you today is Bing is clearly trying to do everything in its power to stay relevant and including tricking users, but they have to hold on to that number two search engine spot by US market share. Who holds number three spot in the US market share for search?

• 1:03:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm also going to say this is based on something we had written in the script that we haven't talked about yet. So we will talk about that. Bing tricking people after the break as well.

• 1:03:42David Imel?

  We'll get there.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:03:43David Imel?

  See you soon.

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• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. CES. CES is a fun show because obviously there's lots of like robot vacuums and consumer gadgets and drones and stuff like that. But there's also this whole like section that's just cars every year. There's just car stuff.

• 1:06:21Andrew Manganelli?

  There's also like boats and like tractors and stuff.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Totally. And the meta with CES is it always feels like it's like a vibe check on like, what's the theme with tech this year? Sometimes it's 3D. Sometimes it's curved displays. Sometimes it's 2025 and it's just AI in everything. And so if you, if you ever go to the car section of CES, what you will find is a mixture of like regular cars and then future concept, uh, prototype, not real cars that may never ship, but more like a concept of mobility, like super vague stuff like that. Uh, and those are

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  interesting, I would say, but usually not ever going to come out. Some of the stuff we have here are right in between, I would say. First one, CES car headline. Uh, so remember the Aphila?

• 1:07:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  The Sony car? Sony and Honda collaborating on making a car. This was like two CES's ago. We first saw this and we've seen it.

• 1:07:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it was way longer than that, no?

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  We've seen it a few times.

• 1:07:29David Imel?

  Two, I think.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Either way.

• 1:07:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I remember seeing a Sony car.

• 1:07:32David Imel?

  Right. 2023, I think they showed it off for the first time. 2022 is when they announced it.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Cause it was like, it was a car.

• 1:07:37David Imel?

  They were going to do something.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a car in the Sony booth and we were all like, whoa, Sony? Well, I guess Sony does make screens and Sony does make display, like motors. Maybe they can make a whole car.

• 1:07:47Andrew Manganelli?

  So there was a, just because I remember physically seeing it, there was the Vision S01, which was in 2020.

• 1:07:52David Imel?

  Concept vehicle.

• 1:07:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that was concept vehicle. It was just like a car that was just sitting there.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:57Andrew Manganelli?

  At the CES show floor.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  And then Vision S02 was 2022.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  And then Vision OS was 2024. So here we are in 2025 and Sony and Honda are officially collaborating and announcing a price that you will be able to buy this car. Maybe.

• 1:08:14David Imel?

  What is the price?

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  The price is it will start as eighty nine thousand nine hundred dollars. So it will not be cheap. It's called the Aphila One Origin. There also will be a higher end hundred and three thousand dollars signature version of this car. People who have been looking at this car, I mean, it looks like a regular Honda. I think it's reasonable to say.

• 1:08:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Kind of lucid, almost.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's an EV. It's a it's a brand new look. Obviously Sony's got a little injection of design. There's also a subscription associated with the car. You get the first three years free, but that includes Aphila Intelligent Drive, Level Two ADAS, apparently, immersive entertainment selection, customizable themes, and Aphila Personal Agent. This is, like I said, it's right in the middle of CES cars.

• 1:09:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Because everything hardware wise about this car looks super reasonable for CES.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Like, it has some screens and stuff.

• 1:09:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It has, you know, a sleek, minimalist design.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  And a CES part.

• 1:09:14Andrew Manganelli?

  But nothing on the inside is like, no mirrors or no steering wheel or like that. It seems normal.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  This looks like an Accord from twenty twenty five. It looks like a normal looking car on the outside with some nice screens. But being Sony, not sure. Being a new brand, not sure. It's collaborating with Honda, but it's ninety grand. Who who buys a ninety thousand dollar Honda? Like, there's a bunch of questions still about this thing.

• 1:09:39David Imel?

  I have two things to say about this.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09:41David Imel?

  One, Mr. Stark, I'm not Aphila so good.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:09:45David Imel?

  Two, for this price, they should really be putting a PS5 in the car.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Hey, wait a minute. Well, hold on. You might be onto something.

• 1:09:52Andrew Manganelli?

  That's the difference between the Origin and the Aphila Signature. One's a PS5, one's a PS5 Pro.

• 1:09:58David Imel?

  For like another twelve thousand dollars.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  There's some big screens in the back.

• 1:10:02David Imel?

  I think only the Signature has the big screens, right?

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:10:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, is it?

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  That checks out.

• 1:10:06David Imel?

  I believe so.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  I mean, for a hundred grand, yeah, Jesus, dude.

• 1:10:09David Imel?

  That's an expensive car. Like, a Lucid is like that price, right?

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  You can get a Lucid for that price, yeah, a new one.

• 1:10:14Andrew Manganelli?

  There's something so funny about having the big screens in the back, but also under the seat, still having like the cigarette lighter power board.

• 1:10:22David Imel?

  Yeah. You can preorder it right now.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25David Imel?

  But only in California.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Oh, that's very CES.

• 1:10:28David Imel?

  Like, only in California.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Wow. So if I'm in New Jersey and I want one.

• 1:10:32Andrew Manganelli?

  CES is in Vegas, actually.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  Well, I'm just saying.

• 1:10:33David Imel?

  I know, isn't that funny?

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  They're so not sure about shipping this that they're like, how about just California?

• 1:10:39David Imel?

  California.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  I think we can ship this in California.

• 1:10:41David Imel?

  The people that have a lot of money and are willing to buy an EV.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44David Imel?

  Yeah. They said a global launch is coming later, but no details on that.

• 1:10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I like how it's like, there's two options, California only, global launch.

• 1:10:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Not even nationwide launch.

• 1:10:57David Imel?

  Uh, it's a $200 down payment, so.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:11:00David Imel?

  Or, you know.

• 1:11:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Or down payment or yeah, a pre-order.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Interest-free loan.

• 1:11:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. CES car story number two. Do y'all remember Faraday Future? When I say that name, does that ring any bells?

• 1:11:12David Imel?

  That's a word I haven't heard in a long time.

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. 2017, I made a video.

• 1:11:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Showing the Faraday Future FF91. I don't know if you remember this.

• 1:11:22David Imel?

  I do.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  They, they actually had a separate engineering development car that was near final. And then they had a aesthetically finished car.

• 1:11:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  They would, they would give me a ride in the engineering car. And I remember the guy like Florida and he was like, that's better than a Model S, right? And I was like, yeah, it's pretty quick. And then they had the aesthetically finished car, which was mostly kind of a clay model that you can maybe roll on the stage, but like point your camera at it, it looks pretty cool.

• 1:11:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  That was 2017.

• 1:11:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  It's 2025 now.

• 1:11:49David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  And they are showing some new prototypes at CES.

• 1:11:53David Imel?

  Here we go again.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  They've been at CES, I'm pretty sure every year since 2017. The FF91, they still want to ship and they still claim that they're going to produce and it will be $300,000. But I found some new cars.

• 1:12:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I found a funny thing in this before we get into the new ones.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:10Andrew Manganelli?

  In one of these articles, I found a quote that says, "The announcement of the new brand comes just months after Faraday Future disclosed to the US Securities and Exchange Commission that it only delivered 10 cars by the end of 2023."

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  And I would put an asterisk on, an asterisk on those 10 cars too. So like 10 sounds like not that much, but to me, someone who's been hearing about Faraday Future, I'm like, 10?

• 1:12:33David Imel?

  They delivered.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  Really? Yeah. So, yeah, they're coming with some new prototypes that they want to target 20 to 30 to $50,000 in price, which is very noble. It's what you probably would like to get to at some point. But yeah, this is also, I would say, very, very Faraday Future in that they have continued to attempt to get funding and to try to sell this idea of a new brand. The only startups that have really hooked are Rivian, Lucid, Tesla, right? As far as EVs. I mean, that's it as far as here. So it's a challenge getting a company like that off the ground, but Faraday Future's still at it.

• 1:13:13Andrew Manganelli?

  The thing I'm most confused about is I saw all this stuff that they're announcing at CES. I have not seen any coverage of these new vehicles at CES at all. Like I can find something about Faraday Future to host exclusive private showcase and experience in Las Vegas of prototype mules. But like I've seen, when I search it, nothing's coming up and CES has been going on for like three days now.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  We literally, I, we were both, we were all at that.

• 1:13:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  In 2017.

• 1:13:43Andrew Manganelli?

  So I wasn't. It was, that was the CES where Mark has texted me and was like, I think I need help. Let's, so that was pretty much as I started. So I've been, since I have been working at MKBHD, that's how long we've been waiting for the FF91.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Dang. When they actually release their car, you might get fired. You gotta be careful.

• 1:14:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a lot of job security, I feel like.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  So yeah, they're, Faraday Future's still doing their thing. Okay. The last headline I've pulled from CES cars that I thought was interesting is another Honda one, Honda Zero. It's a, it's another concept, but like more futuristic looking Honda cars. And these have torn people apart purely on aesthetics. So I'm gonna, I have this link here. If you guys click and look at the top image in this and you can see these, this SUV in the sedan. I, before you, before you answer, I suspect that you either think these are sick or you think these are horrible looking.

• 1:14:42David Imel?

  Jaguar.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  I think they're sick.

• 1:14:44Andrew Manganelli?

  You think they're sick?

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  I think they're sick.

• 1:14:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  The one, okay. So there's two. I will try and describe them. One looks like a... Kind of like that new Prius redesign, but larger and longer, the one on the left.

• 1:14:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Andrew Manganelli?

  And then the right looks kind of like CRV mixed with the Hyundai N75. Was that what it was called?

• 1:15:06David Imel?

  N74.

• 1:15:07Andrew Manganelli?

  The like, no, then because of like the headlights, the like, very like futuristic, but the future is now trying to be like retro future with the like dot lighting and stuff. Yeah.

• 1:15:16David Imel?

  The first one looks like if a Lamborghini was in Halo one.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  So it has the face of a Lamborghini Murcielago Countach. It has the old Lamborghini face.

• 1:15:28David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Like they, I think they copied.

• 1:15:30Andrew Manganelli?

  From the front.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  From the front. And then it's got this big sloping crazy thing and it's, it's a concept car. There's no rearview mirrors, no door handles, that whole thing, but still silhouette goes hard. Then the right one, I think, yeah, you're right. It's like CRV plus like Polestar because there's no rear visibility.

• 1:15:47Andrew Manganelli?

  So the back of the like, uh,

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Looks crazy.

• 1:15:50Andrew Manganelli?

  The first one you're talking about has kind of like, do you know those like infinity mirrors where it's like, uh,

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Only like one set of lights, but the mirror make it looks like it goes forever. That's what that has on the back.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Illegal.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  I think there are lots of things about.

• 1:16:04David Imel?

  Well, yeah, there's no door handles.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Yes, there are many things about these concept cars that will not make it to any sort of production car. But this is Honda's zero concept and it's named after their, um, they have an in-house OS they're developing named after Asimo, their humanoid robot.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  Is that the tiny little guy over here?

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Asimo, Asimo, I don't know if I'm saying it right.

• 1:16:27Andrew Manganelli?

  These are all also only renders, right?

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Like there is not anything as CES about this.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Correct. It's just announced as CES stuff.

• 1:16:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:35Andrew Manganelli?

  So, you know, CES.

• 1:16:38Speaker 03

  It's just a vibe.

• 1:16:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, it's all vibes.

• 1:16:40David Imel?

  The concept electronic show.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  A conceptual electronics show.

• 1:16:46David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  So that's, that's the cars of CES.

• 1:16:49David Imel?

  That's fun.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Thank you for joining my TED Talk.

• 1:16:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you. Now, welcome to my TED Talk about two keyboards at CES.

• 1:16:55David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:16:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll go pretty quick about this.

• 1:16:57David Imel?

  Let's go.

• 1:16:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Ducky released a new inductive switch for mechanical keyboards, which is kind of cool. And I will try and get through it as fast as possible. So it's actually Cherry who developed a new switch. They're calling multiple point switches. We've talked previously about how hall effect switches are the new fad in gaming.

• 1:17:14David Imel?

  They are.

• 1:17:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Because of all the different rapid trigger and features you can add to it.

• 1:17:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Ducky 1X is launching with these Cherry multi-point switches that they're calling inductive switches. And the cool thing about this is they're far more energy efficient than the magnetic hall effect switches.

• 1:17:35David Imel?

  The switches are more energy efficient.

• 1:17:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, and the reason for that is because you need all these different sensors inside the PCB for hall effect switches. And because this is, this is where I'm trying to get it from. I could not fully figure out how these worked, but it is some sort of metal device inside of the switch and then coils on the actual PCB A, which I learned the difference between a PCB and a PCB A is a PCB is an unfinished circuit board. And the PCB A is a circuit board with all of its modules attached to it. So that makes me think that this is a, all the switches are attached and there's not much you can do. So I wonder what the modding category on this is for the nerds like me that like to do different things to their switches and keyboards.

• 1:18:19Andrew Manganelli?

  But anyways, what's really cool about this is we haven't seen any wireless or some, but not many wireless hall effect keyboards because of the inefficiencies of each switch.

• 1:18:29David Imel?

  Because they take more power.

• 1:18:30Andrew Manganelli?

  So this, this new Ducky 1X does have Bluetooth and 2.4 gigahertz because they're saying it's far more energy efficient and it has pretty solid battery life.

• 1:18:39David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 1:18:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I think this is something that's going to be very popular because Ducky is already a popular brand in the gaming category. This will be popular for people who want those features, play games and want a slightly better keyboard, but don't really care about the stupid stuff I do where you're like spending hours looping switches and stuff.

• 1:18:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  So does this improve like latency?

• 1:18:58Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not latency, it's. The benefits of Hall effect and what these inductive switches are is there's not one actuation point anywhere in the keystroke, it can calculate and you can change per key where those actuation and deactuation points are. And there's a lot of cool things in gaming for, it's not physical latency, but it's more like how fast things react because you can do 0.1 millimeter is like the actuation point for each key and stuff like that.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  My god.

• 1:19:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly. The other thing I want you guys to click on this, I saw this, keep seeing this auto retracting keyboard. So it's essentially, imagine like this big pad that you have in front of you. And then there are like a split keyboard.

• 1:19:43David Imel?

  I'm out.

• 1:19:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Where you're typing, but if you want to use your number pad or your trackpad, they are underneath the split keyboards and you like, if your right hand, you type, type, type, you lift your hand up and a camera sees it and it pulls away the keyboard and a trackpad pops up. And then you can use the trackpad and then you can lift your hand and then the keyboard swipes back in and you type, type, type. And then on the left, you lift your left hand up, numpad pops up.

• 1:20:07David Imel?

  I love how we just went from the most energy efficient kind of keyboard to the thing that probably needs its own power supply.

• 1:20:17Andrew Manganelli?

  This is good.

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. That was a piece of foam falling off the wall.

• 1:20:23David Imel?

  Cool. It is cold.

• 1:20:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Luckily, that's not, that part's not on camera. So we don't have to fix it right now.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:20:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  Well, it wasn't near your body at all, so.

• 1:20:31David Imel?

  I did fall in the background of a shot, though. Yeah.

• 1:20:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I just saw Mariah's face, her eyes light up.

• 1:20:37Speaker 03

  It's the lights again.

• 1:20:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I know. She looked like what I looked like when the light fell on Adam's head. So I got very scared for a minute.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Well, you're wearing a hat. You're okay.

• 1:20:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:20:46David Imel?

  One more thing to know on these keyboards. I feel like we are just trying to recreate the like things from WALL-E where you just get like wheeled around and you just don't move at all. And you just kind of do this to exist.

• 1:20:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I think there's potentially.

• 1:21:01Andrew Manganelli?

  At best here, like some accessibility.

• 1:21:03David Imel?

  Totally.

• 1:21:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Benefits. I don't think this is a mainstream thing. It's also.

• 1:21:08David Imel?

  Paralyzed and you can't do this kind of movement.

• 1:21:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like you have very specific hands movement and can't go that far left or right. This might be super useful. The thing is, is like, look how large, I mean, the, what I'm assuming power supply for this thing underneath is like a foot and a half tall in front of it.

• 1:21:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:28Andrew Manganelli?

  So where I put my keyboard on my desk, I literally wouldn't be able to fit the rest of it on there.

• 1:21:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  We need something to go on that plate in the front nearest to you. Maybe some kind of like food apparatus. So you don't have to move your head or neck as well.

• 1:21:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly. It needs the little arm from the robot vacuum to just feed me Doritos.

• 1:21:45David Imel?

  There's a tiny microwave in there.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  They're cooking. They're making some.

• 1:21:49David Imel?

  They're cooking. Wow.

• 1:21:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that wraps up CES for us.

• 1:21:53David Imel?

  Mostly, yeah.

• 1:21:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that does. There is one thing we did not mention before, but since the trivia question is based on it, I want to go over it. Mark, it's about Bing.

• 1:22:02David Imel?

  Wait, can we play this before we do the Bing segment?

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Hi, I hope you're having a fantastic day. What can I help you with? Oh, never been here before. Well, that's just the thing you can find all things with the Bing. We are more than a search engine. We are an engine that searches. Google.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, Google is the leading search engine in the world and it was founded in. You know what I mean? Take me to Google.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Give me a bow to here, man. Take me to Google now. Right through that door.

• 1:22:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you do me a favor, Marcus? Can you go to Bing.com right now?

• 1:22:51David Imel?

  Yes, I can. Do they not get rid of this yet?

• 1:22:54Andrew Manganelli?

  It worked for me yesterday. Can you type in Google and tell me what it does?

• 1:22:58David Imel?

  Oh, let's do it. And not hit enter?

• 1:23:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not doing it.

• 1:23:01David Imel?

  It doesn't do it anymore. We'll try it. Try it on his. Enter.

• 1:23:05Andrew Manganelli?

  No, they changed it. This worked yesterday.

• 1:23:08David Imel?

  What did it do before? This is what it looked like when you would do it before. No way.

• 1:23:13Andrew Manganelli?

  And funnier. Okay, so for audio listeners, essentially when you would type in Google and hit enter, this like, it wouldn't say Google, but what do they call it? Google doodles?

• 1:23:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Andrew Manganelli?

  So there would be this Google doodle-esque picture of a bunch of different people and then a search bar underneath it and then under it, a bunch of the results for Google. The best part about this is if you were in this, if you scrolled up, it revealed where the Bing search bar was. So it wasn't just making this page. It was auto scrolling down. So you didn't see the Bing bar above to tell that you were still on Bing.

• 1:23:48Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 1:23:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It was so funny.

• 1:23:51David Imel?

  Bing and being like, I got it. I got it. This is what, this is what's gonna happen. People are gonna come to Bing, they're gonna type in Google and then we got them.

• 1:23:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm so mad it doesn't work for you.

• 1:23:59David Imel?

  Using this. Do it. My God. Wow.

• 1:24:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh my gosh, they really changed it. That's so funny. Well, like one of the, someone who worked for Google that works on Google search tweeted like imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and then just wrote new, new year, new low at Microsoft.

• 1:24:18David Imel?

  It says imitation is a sincerest form of flattery, but Microsoft spoofing the Google homepage is another tactic in its long history of tricks to confuse users and limit choice.

• 1:24:26Andrew Manganelli?

  New year, new low, Microsoft.

• 1:24:28David Imel?

  New year, new low.

• 1:24:30Speaker 03

  Was this for like a special occasion or they just felt like, felt like doing it?

• 1:24:33David Imel?

  I mean.

• 1:24:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It went on for like a week. I have a feeling it was just.

• 1:24:37David Imel?

  Yeah. So I saw this as a Reddit post on r slash Google like a week and a half ago. And then it got picked up by news organizations like a couple of days ago.

• 1:24:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:45David Imel?

  So, yeah, I think.

• 1:24:48Andrew Manganelli?

  You tried.

• 1:24:48David Imel?

  They really thought that the AI ification of Bing was going to be their moment and it just wasn't. So.

• 1:24:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they did have a moment there, but now.

• 1:24:56David Imel?

  They thought.

• 1:24:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they thought. That's, that's, that's brutal. Well.

• 1:25:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:00Andrew Manganelli?

  CES, by the way, so we're recording this on Wednesday. CES will continue to happen for the next few days. So there's probably going to be even more crazy stuff that we don't even know about between now and when you see this on Friday. So send it to us if you, if you think we should check it out next week. But either way, that's it. That's all, that's all we've seen. We do want to say one thing. There's some crazy fires going around in Los Angeles. So if you're a listener from over there, please be safe. We wish you the best, sending out good vibes to all of you. And yeah, stay safe out there. But I think it's time.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Trivia.

• 1:25:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Sorry. Was that too soon?

• 1:25:37Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I almost was like.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  I was waiting for the pause.

• 1:25:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't want to be. It's always you who throws it, so it felt wrong for me to do it. So I was gonna let you throw.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  Pause. That's great.

• 1:25:46Andrew Manganelli?

  All right.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Hit it, Mariah.

• 1:25:52Speaker 03

  All right. Would we like to know the current standings?

• 1:25:54David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 1:25:56Speaker 03

  So the current standing for season five that we just started is Marquez has two points. Andrew has zero points and David has four points.

• 1:26:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Thanks.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:26:09Andrew Manganelli?

  And you know you can carry that one.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  But yeah, I've still never won a trivia extravaganza.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  There's still time. There's still time.

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Quick refresh. Our question number one for you today is about CES. So in CES 2025, we've already seen some crazy cool stuff. And I want to know which of these is not a real product from this year's CES. So we have option A is the razor heated and cooled gaming chair. Option B is a 3D printer that makes cake batter and then cooks it with a laser. Option C is the Samsung stretchable display that just kind of bulges a little bit. Don't know why. And option D is that fun little critter that hangs on your bag.

• 1:26:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I need to see a photo.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  And then E is.

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  And then E is all of the above.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Okay. And then.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  So which is not real.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  It's getting cold in here.

• 1:27:06Andrew Manganelli?

  It's so cold. It's very cold. I can't feel my fingers.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  For those of you who don't know, we turn the AC slash heat off every time we do the pod because it makes noise right onto our microphones. And so whatever the temperature is outside, the temperature in here as we record slowly goes towards whatever the temperature is outside.

• 1:27:22Andrew Manganelli?

  The room is 50% windows.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like 23 degrees.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  During the summer, it heats up. During the winter, it gets cold.

• 1:27:28David Imel?

  For the Europeans out there, that's like negative five.

• 1:27:31Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  C. It's chilly.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  All right, gamers, what do we got?

• 1:27:35Speaker 03

  All right, David said option B.

• 1:27:37David Imel?

  I said B.

• 1:27:38Speaker 03

  What did you say?

• 1:27:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I said all real.

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  All real.

• 1:27:40David Imel?

  And I said option A, the razor.

• 1:27:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I know Marcus is wrong, because I saw that.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Dang it. I would have seen it.

• 1:27:46David Imel?

  The furry creature is also real.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  Andrew is correct. All of these are real things.

• 1:27:52David Imel?

  They would probably all be real, but like, I thought they would have.

• 1:27:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, y'all gotta see this crazy little guy.

• 1:27:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Creature, can you put it in our slot?

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, take a little look at him.

• 1:28:00David Imel?

  I've seen it. I knew it was real. It just kind of hangs there and then just kind of like turns its head and stares at you.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Same. He's a silly little guy.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  It's in waveform?

• 1:28:09Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like a pink sloth that just kind of like turns its head around.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  It's a little cuter than like a Furby, I would say.

• 1:28:16Andrew Manganelli?

  That's low bar.

• 1:28:17Speaker 03

  Question two.

• 1:28:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:28:19David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  So Andrew got one point.

• 1:28:22David Imel?

  Oh, who's the tearing the one?

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  Give you that one. All right. So question two today is Bing is obviously trying to trick people into using a search engine. No surprise. So they are the number two search engine by US market share. Who is the number three spot holding the market share for search in the US?

• 1:28:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I have three guesses. I feel like.

• 1:28:47Speaker 03

  There's only so many companies.

• 1:28:59Speaker 03

  Man, you guys are really thinking about this.

• 1:29:00David Imel?

  I have two options that I ruled out, but I.

• 1:29:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That you ruled out?

• 1:29:03David Imel?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, a kind of a guess, though.

• 1:29:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, wait, before you say it.

• 1:29:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I say what my three guesses are?

• 1:29:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Not that which one I put down.

• 1:29:11David Imel?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:29:13Andrew Manganelli?

  DuckDuckGo.

• 1:29:14David Imel?

  Right, okay.

• 1:29:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Yahoo.

• 1:29:16David Imel?

  Right.

• 1:29:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Ask Jeeves.

• 1:29:18David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 1:29:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It's. I feel like we've talked about Ask Jeeves not that long.

• 1:29:21David Imel?

  It's just Ask.com.

• 1:29:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it's just Ask.com?

• 1:29:23David Imel?

  Oh, Ask, yeah.

• 1:29:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it just Ask.com now?

• 1:29:26David Imel?

  I.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Although.

• 1:29:27David Imel?

  All right, I'm gonna show, I'm gonna show you my board.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  Okay, show me what you got.

• 1:29:29David Imel?

  I put Yahoo and I ruled out MSN and ChatGPT.

• 1:29:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, MSN.

• 1:29:34David Imel?

  Because I think people might be using ChatGPT that much.

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  God, I hope not.

• 1:29:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Link aggregation?

• 1:29:40David Imel?

  Well, they do have. You have the search engine. But it's still kind of in like private. It's not like.

• 1:29:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I also put Yahoo.

• 1:29:46David Imel?

  I put DuckDuckGo.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  Well, David is incorrect, unfortunately for him, but the both of you are correct.

• 1:29:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, let's go.

• 1:29:53David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:29:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I was between Yahoo and DuckDuckGo.

• 1:29:56David Imel?

  Probably my dad. I would guess. I would guess.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  People, I mean Yahoo's a big like news aggregator website and so people who just go to Yahoo.com, that's just where they.

• 1:30:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I, that's, that was my, I think DuckDuckGo is like the non-tracking version, right?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's privacy focused.

• 1:30:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  Privacy focused, but I was, I think they got in trouble for that also.

• 1:30:14David Imel?

  For tracking or something. Yeah.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  Dang.

• 1:30:16David Imel?

  Yeah. Nothing is good anymore.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  I'm happy I got a point.

• 1:30:19Speaker 03

  Well, David's still in the lead by one point. Um, Andrew, you have a chance now.

• 1:30:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I, that's changed the, the dynamic of that completely. It was four.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  It's two, three, four now.

• 1:30:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Two, three, four now.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you like my duck?

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:30:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Duck is like the only.

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  Enhance.

• 1:30:37David Imel?

  I don't really know how to draw that.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Adam, zoom into that. Look at this little guy.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  It's out of focus now.

• 1:30:42David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  Well, hey, that, that is, that's our show for this week. Lots more CS stuff coming. So like I said, send it to us. Tag at Waveform, we'll find it. And of course, uh, thanks for watching and listening as always, and we'll catch you guys next week.

• 1:30:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Peace.

• 1:30:58David Imel?

  Big year. Bye.

• 1:31:01Andrew Manganelli?

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• 1:31:09Speaker 01

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• 1:31:26David Imel?

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