Pod Insights Call Her Daddy Podcast Grace Van Patten: Tell Me Lies & Toxic Relationships About this episode Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Grace Van Patten. Grace talks all about Tell Me Lies and her real life relationship with Jackson. She also opens up about playing Amanda Knox, her rebellious phase, and going to a performing arts school. Enjoy!
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3:16 Alex Cooper? What is up Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.
3:25 Alex Cooper? Grace Van Patten, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
3:27 Speaker 01 Thank you so much.
3:28 Alex Cooper? I am so happy to finally meet you.
3:31 Speaker 01 Me too.
3:31 Alex Cooper? Like, it's been a long time coming. This is very exciting. How are you doing today?
3:35 Speaker 01 I'm great. I'm so excited too. I've said when I walked in, I've like seen this chair, this iconic chair so many times.
3:42 Alex Cooper? You're here.
3:43 Speaker 01 And I'm here.
3:43 Alex Cooper? Wait, so you live in LA?
3:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, recently. I moved here like two and a half years ago.
3:49 Alex Cooper? And you're from New York?
3:50 Speaker 01 From New York.
3:50 Alex Cooper? How are you liking it?
3:52 Speaker 01 I love it.
3:52 Alex Cooper? You do?
3:53 Speaker 01 It took me a while and I told myself I would never do it.
3:58 Alex Cooper? Me too.
3:59 Speaker 01 But I also know I love New York so much and that's my home. And I know for a fact I'm gonna end up back there. So, I figured like if I don't do it now, I'll never live in another place.
4:10 Alex Cooper? It's a good point. It's a really hard transition though, because I used to live in New York.
4:13 Speaker 01 Oh, really?
4:14 Alex Cooper? And when I got, oh my God, I got here and I was like, where is everyone? Because you think it's this like-
4:19 Speaker 01 Hello?
4:19 Alex Cooper? Yes.
4:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, everybody.
4:20 Alex Cooper? Everyone drives everywhere. No one's like popping into bars and restaurants around here. You're just like, hello? And I moved here with my best friend years ago and we were both like thinking we were gonna have the time of our life. It's like early twenties and then we were like, wait, where is everyone? But then you eventually find your place.
4:35 Speaker 01 You get used to it. It's also like, I tried out so many different- Neighborhoods and I'm my happiest where I can walk and like get a coffee. If I can walk and get a coffee, I'm fine.
4:47 Alex Cooper? Wait, do you live alone?
4:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:49 Alex Cooper? And do you have any animals?
4:50 Speaker 01 No, but I want them so bad. It's a big decision I'm making right now.
4:54 Alex Cooper? You're always traveling now.
4:55 Speaker 01 I know. Yeah. So having an animal would be tricky.
4:59 Alex Cooper? Maybe like a fish. Oh, wait, no.
5:01 Speaker 01 Just travel with like a bag.
5:03 Alex Cooper? No, I was thinking, what could you leave at home? And I'm like, a fish? But no, I think you would also kill the fish.
5:08 Speaker 01 Okay, maybe like if I had a koi fish in like a pond, I don't have a pond.
5:12 Alex Cooper? Very sexy, but very sexy. Um, okay, we're gonna play a game.
5:16 Speaker 01 Okay.
5:16 Alex Cooper? First and worst, I'm gonna give you a scenario and you just tell me a story that comes to mind.
5:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
5:21 Alex Cooper? Okay. Growing up, what was the worst trouble you ever got into with your parents?
5:28 Speaker 01 I was actually just speaking to a friend about this. I, I got into trouble frequently.
5:37 Alex Cooper? Okay.
5:38 Speaker 01 Because I, I would get caught doing a lot of things. My mom had my location for a while. And I, I thought I found a loophole by leaving my phone at my friend's house. And just saying, I'm, I'm in for the night. And I think when my mom caught on to that, it was, got reprimanded for sure.
5:57 Alex Cooper? Grace, that is like, it's brilliant and it's something I used to do as well.
6:02 Speaker 01 Really?
6:03 Alex Cooper? And my one friend, Anna, shout out if you're watching this, her, she, we were always going to her house because her whole family was like chill. They didn't really care what we did. And I'm like, I'm going to Anna's. What could happen, mom? And she's like, uh huh. Leave the phone in the mailbox. Why the mailbox?
6:17 Speaker 01 Why the mailbox?
6:18 Alex Cooper? You know, I don't know. In case we had to do a quick pit stop and I would like check my phone. So I didn't have to go.
6:23 Speaker 01 All good. Yeah.
6:24 Alex Cooper? And it worked every time until finally my mom was like, I know you're not just sitting there all night. And then it was like, but at least we tried.
6:32 Speaker 01 We tried and it worked for a while. It was great.
6:35 Alex Cooper? But were you going to like clubs when you were younger?
6:38 Speaker 01 No, I wasn't. I mean, I definitely did at a young age, but that was never, I never enjoyed that.
6:44 Alex Cooper? You never went to One Oak?
6:46 Speaker 01 Of course, I've, I've been to.
6:48 Alex Cooper? PhD rooftop?
6:49 Speaker 01 I can't though. It freaked me out even then. And I. And it still freaks me out. Like, clubs freak, freak me out.
6:57 Alex Cooper? They're very over the top.
6:59 Speaker 01 I don't, I, I don't.
7:01 Alex Cooper? I used to.
7:02 Speaker 01 I didn't have a phase. You had a phase.
7:03 Alex Cooper? Oh, I was like that girl.
7:05 Speaker 01 You were.
7:06 Alex Cooper? I worked at the club, literally, and also figuratively. But then I just.
7:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, oh, yep.
7:12 Alex Cooper? Put socks in my tits to push them up, like, looking like, oh, my god, I have triple Ds. Literally would have removed them.
7:18 Speaker 01 That's what I do when I tell me lies.
7:20 Alex Cooper? Did you really?
7:20 Speaker 01 No, not socks.
7:21 Alex Cooper? But you.
7:22 Speaker 01 Help, help.
7:23 Alex Cooper? Shoved, shoving them up with anything.
7:25 Speaker 01 Whatever I can fit in there.
7:26 Alex Cooper? Okay, who was your first celebrity crush?
7:29 Speaker 01 Oh, um, Steve-O from Jackass.
7:34 Alex Cooper? Wait, wait, wait.
7:35 Speaker 01 I had a weird, I don't know.
7:37 Alex Cooper? I get it.
7:38 Speaker 01 Something about snapping turtle, just nipping at his nipples, I guess, got me.
7:44 Alex Cooper? Honestly, that show.
7:46 Speaker 01 Do you get it at all?
7:47 Alex Cooper? Without a doubt.
7:48 Speaker 01 Okay.
7:48 Alex Cooper? But I could see, no, because what was it recently on an episode of Love Island, then everyone was doing it? Where this girl was like, okay, wait, who is your like, okay, wait, but hear me out? Who you would like hook up with, but it's like, okay, wait, hear me out?
8:01 Speaker 01 But you wouldn't want to.
8:02 Alex Cooper? But like, you know, people would be like, so fucking judgy.
8:05 Speaker 01 It's like a hot take.
8:06 Alex Cooper? Yes, mine used to be like, I thought Johnny Depp specifically as Captain Jack Sparrow with like, the eyeliner.
8:12 Speaker 01 That's a good one.
8:13 Alex Cooper? And I, but I was like, why am I so attracted to that?
8:16 Speaker 01 I get it. Talent.
8:18 Alex Cooper? Talent.
8:19 Speaker 01 Steve-O. Something about like a daredevil, like, I don't know, adventure.
8:24 Alex Cooper? Okay, love it. Um, okay, what's a time you made a horrible first impression?
8:29 Speaker 01 Oh, god, probably so many times. I do remember one of my first movies. Um, Dustin Hoffman was playing my grandpa, and the first time I met him, I thought it would be cute to be like, "Hey, grandpa!" And I saw his face kind of drop and I was in, I like, my face turned red. I was so embarrassed. And from that, I realized, you know, do not call any actor old.
8:59 Alex Cooper? He's like, honestly, fuck off. You're like, well, I thought it was for the
9:04 Speaker 01 You got me old. I was like, I was mortified.
9:07 Alex Cooper? It's the worst when you have something ready in your head.
9:10 Speaker 01 I planned it.
9:11 Alex Cooper? And then it comes out and you see, not only didn't it land, it actually just pissed the person off and you're like, swing and a miss. And I was red. I was like going in there like, I'm just gonna make everyone laugh. No one laughed. Actual anger. Anger. Okay, Grace, um, last one. Who was, what was the first time you were ever recognized in public?
9:33 Speaker 01 Probably, um, before I started acting for my work in Divergent as Shailene Woodley. That's probably the first times I got recognized was as Shailene Woodley.
9:47 Alex Cooper? That's actually amazing. Rewind. So, so many people in your life have come up to you and been like, Shailene?
9:53 Speaker 01 Yeah. Especially like when I was in high school and she was in the divergence and, and also that movie with George Clooney.
10:02 Alex Cooper? Oh, yes.
10:04 Speaker 01 The Descendants, I think.
10:05 Alex Cooper? Yes, yes, yes.
10:06 Speaker 01 And we had very similar like hair at the time. And that happened a lot.
10:11 Alex Cooper? Have you ever met her?
10:13 Speaker 01 Yes, I met her once and I think I said something, but I always get so nervous in those moments.
10:18 Alex Cooper? Did you feel like when you met her, you both were like, you see the resemblance?
10:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:23 Alex Cooper? Is it annoying when people say that though?
10:25 Speaker 01 No.
10:26 Alex Cooper? Right. But it's like when you're compared to each other where you're like, we're both.
10:29 Speaker 01 Also, she's so beautiful and so talented. I'm like, oh, yeah.
10:33 Alex Cooper? It's actually so true. When people are like compared to people that you're probably like, wait, guys, that's not funny. Don't compare me like that. Wait, do we actually look alike?
10:40 Speaker 01 And then you don't want to act offended.
10:42 Alex Cooper? Right, right, right. No, Shailene's gorgeous.
10:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm like, I will take it.
10:46 Alex Cooper? That's fair. Um, okay, let's talk about your family.
10:48 Speaker 01 Okay.
10:49 Alex Cooper? You have two sisters, right?
10:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
10:51 Alex Cooper? How would you describe your relationship with them?
10:53 Speaker 01 They're my best friends.
10:55 Alex Cooper? And you're the oldest?
10:56 Speaker 01 I'm the oldest. And then I have a, a middle sister's only two years younger than me. And then I have a 14 year old sister.
11:04 Alex Cooper? So 15 years apart?
11:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:07 Alex Cooper? What is that like?
11:08 Speaker 01 Which was wild at first. My mom was 45 and she was like, I'm pregnant. And I was like,
11:16 Speaker 01 What does that mean?
11:17 Alex Cooper? Right.
11:18 Speaker 01 I was fifteen, I'm like, you guys have sex? That's disgusting. Now I'm like, good for you. I couldn't fathom what life would be like. Like, I've lived fifteen years, like, we're like a little family unit. And what is, what is, I couldn't comprehend what that would be like. And then she was born and it's like the best thing that could have happened to our family. It's like kept us all young.
11:46 Alex Cooper? I do feel like I've seen that where like if someone has like a lot of younger sibling, it kind of gives a fresh new energy that keeps you guys like more like, okay, we're still young. We're not all out of the house. There's reason to come home. She's in high school now or whatever. And you're like, that's fun.
12:00 Speaker 01 It's so fun.
12:01 Alex Cooper? Is she watching you though in like?
12:04 Speaker 01 She's not watching Tell Me Lies. I told her not to.
12:07 Alex Cooper? Okay.
12:07 Speaker 01 But she'll, she's always sending me like, like TikTok edits of myself. And I, and I'm like, June, I love you. I'm not, I'm not gonna watch this. But she like, every time I see her, she's like, look at you, look at, look at this thing. And I'm like.
12:22 Alex Cooper? She's like, there's like TikTok edits of you.
12:24 Speaker 01 She's excited.
12:25 Alex Cooper? That's really cute though, that she's like, they're shipping you online. And you're like, stop showing me the fan edit.
12:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:31 Alex Cooper? But at least she gets to see something.
12:32 Speaker 01 Yes.
12:33 Alex Cooper? Um, your dad is a well-known director. What was it like growing up on these type of sets? Like, that's obviously a very unique experience. And now you being in the industry, but before you were fully in the industry, tell me about what that was like, growing up like that?
12:50 Speaker 01 It was amazing. I mean, like, I was always so curious about what my dad was doing. And then being able to watch through a couple, a couple of different jobs that he's done and how they were all different, but like. Being surrounded by so many different types of people at a young age was really interesting. And watching all of these amazing actors do what they do. And like, I was just so in awe of that you could play dress up as a, as a job. Like, that's how I saw, that's how I still see it. Like, it's just a very fun thing when you're doing it.
13:32 Speaker 01 The, the rest of it is, can be scary and unpredictable and inconsistent. But when you're actually doing it, it's so, so much fun. Like, that's, that's it.
13:43 Alex Cooper? That's really cool, because I feel like there, I grew up and my dad was more in like the sports television world. But I always like accredit, like, there was something about growing up that watching my dad get up every day and go and do something he was so passionate about. Like, he loved it. I feel like all of my siblings then and I either went into like entrepreneurship or the creative, because I didn't understand what it would be like to not be so immersed and love it so much. And like, go for your passion, which is such a privilege, but it's so cool to watch. And so it's been, I think, innately in me that I was like, I have to wake up every day and love what I do, because both of my parents did that, which it feels like you kind of were like watching your father being like, this is so incredible, I want to immerse myself also in that world.
14:28 Speaker 01 100%. That is like the main thing I took from it. And he's never, he's like, only ever done jobs that he's so passionate about. And I really try to do that.
14:40 Alex Cooper? You got your first acting job on The Sopranos when you were eight?
14:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:46 Alex Cooper? Like, walking in on that set day and that whole experience, what do you remember about it?
14:50 Speaker 01 I remember, like, the most vivid memory was the audition. Like, that is engraved in my brain. It will be forever, because I have never been so nervous for something. Because my, I was telling my parents, like, I want to be an actor, I want to do that. But I was eight, and they were like, okay. And I kept bugging, bugging them about it, until my dad was like, alright, you can, you can audition. You can try and audition. And I remember to this day, like, every step of like walking to the elevator of Steiner Studios and like signing my name, they just like left me, they were like, go.
15:29 Speaker 01 And I like sign my name in the, the guest book, whatever it is. And I'm like waiting in the chairs with all these other like girls with their parents.
15:42 Speaker 01 And they call my name in and um, it's a bunch of like producers and my dad's like in the back and like with like with his legs crossed. So they really wanted me to feel how it would feel like if he was not involved, which I appreciate now. But I remember doing that audition and just feeling so, so scared and so nervous. And then obviously did not, I didn't consistently act um, in between. When I actually started acting, there was like a, I just went to school and didn't continue to audition and didn't do any of that.
16:23 Alex Cooper? So you went to a performing arts high school though?
16:25 Speaker 01 Yes.
16:26 Alex Cooper? Talk to me about how this was different than like a traditional high school.
16:29 Speaker 01 Um, it was, it was insane. Like I can't imagine going to a normal high school. It was like, it was all of these very creative, like quirky kids, like literally singing and dancing on tables and in the hallway. Like people on vocal rest, like writing on whiteboards and young kids that were very serious already about their art. And of course there were like, there was variety. There were kids who didn't want to be there and I was kind of like in the middle. Like I loved acting, but I didn't know if I wanted to do it as a career yet. It was just like a hobby.
17:12 Speaker 01 Um, but it, yeah, it was a wild experience.
17:17 Alex Cooper? I heard that you and Timothy Chalamet went to the same school.
17:20 Speaker 01 Yes. Yeah. He was a grade above me.
17:23 Alex Cooper? Did you ever get to watch his infamous talent show performances?
17:28 Speaker 01 Every year, front and center. I witnessed, I witnessed the great act. It was, it was incredible. It like.
17:37 Speaker 01 It's just as amazing as it probably is watching the footage of, isn't, there is footage of it.
17:42 Alex Cooper? There's footage.
17:43 Speaker 01 Okay.
17:43 Alex Cooper? So the world gets to experience. Yeah, yeah, there's footage, but if people don't know what we're talking about, can you lightly describe like what his performance was?
17:49 Speaker 01 He had like a rapper alter ego named Tiny Tim or something.
17:55 Alex Cooper? That's it.
17:55 Speaker 01 And he would, we had these yearly talent shows, which is like, it was, it was called Rising Stars. And this talent show was like American Idol. It was like all of the most insanely talented kids doing like, either rapping or singing or doing crazy like contemporary dance or playing a flute, like you name it. It was insane. Like I would still go to it because it was just the most talented kids.
18:26 Alex Cooper? And you, did you ever partake in the talent show?
18:29 Speaker 01 No, I didn't get asked, Timmy.
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21:18 Speaker 01 Yes.
21:20 Alex Cooper? Tell me the first time you read the script, initial vibe. What did you think?
21:26 Speaker 01 I loved it. It got me so excited. I was like, because it was my dream to do like a toxic, fucked up relationship thing.
21:36 Alex Cooper? Why?
21:37 Speaker 01 Because I just loved those movies. They're like my favorite movies. I don't know why.
21:42 Alex Cooper? I do too.
21:43 Speaker 01 Um, I mean, I loved Steve-O. I clearly liked just some toxic.
21:47 Alex Cooper? There's a through line here.
21:48 Speaker 01 Energy. There's some through line. But I loved watching those movies. They're like my favorite actors who have been in movies like that. So it was just something that I wanted to be a part of, and I, I thought it was so cool that it was a TV show and also about young people in a toxic relationship. And, um,
22:09 Speaker 01 I only read the pilot when I first read it, so I had no idea. I just had no idea what it was gonna become in terms of chaotic.
22:20 Alex Cooper? That's actually crazy to read the pilot and you were like, oh, this is gonna be really interesting.
22:23 Speaker 01 Like, this is tame.
22:24 Alex Cooper? And then to find out.
22:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, because Lucy in the pilot is like a completely different person. I thought I was like signing up to be like a preppy, like kinda closed off, like going to college, maybe gonna reinvent herself, meets a guy, it sucks, but like she is a full spiral out, like manic journey that I did not know.
22:51 Alex Cooper? If you had to say, because I know as an actor, like I'm sure you're trying to find some ins, like is there anything you relate to her on?
23:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, for sure. I mean, I, I definitely related, especially first season when I was filming it, like being young and being really afraid of your feelings and then showing them and being like, oh, this is why I was afraid of them. Like, I think you, you meet Lucy in season one and she's very like, has a guard up and then this guy just like slowly chips away at it and then she's like,
23:29 Speaker 01 gates are open and she can't reel it back now. And I've totally had that.
23:33 Alex Cooper? Have you been in situations where you feel like you've maybe not been as like vulnerable in your life and then you're saying when you've been, you're like, oh, that just bit me in the ass, kind of?
23:44 Speaker 01 Yes, and then coming out the other side of it being like vulnerability is the most powerful thing you could ever have in any relationship or friendship.
23:52 Alex Cooper? Okay, I know you said in the past, you hope you're not like Lucy, which like I agree with, but also we love her because she's entertaining. Heading into season three,
24:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:04 Alex Cooper? what is the biggest difference, would you say, between you and Lucy now?
24:10 Speaker 01 Um, probably not like learning her lesson. I feel like I'm pretty good at like knowing I've made mistakes and then stopping. And she's a little relentless with that.
24:23 Alex Cooper? Oh, she's relentless. Okay, we're gonna do some rapid fire of tell me lies.
24:27 Speaker 01 Okay.
24:27 Alex Cooper? Which character would you want to be friends with in real life?
24:31 Speaker 01 Oh.
24:34 Speaker 01 Probably Wrigley.
24:37 Speaker 01 Probably Wrigley. Sweetie, sweetie boy. Yeah.
24:41 Alex Cooper? Okay, what item of clothing would you steal from Lucy's closet?
24:44 Speaker 01 Well, I just did steal some when we wrapped.
24:47 Alex Cooper? Really?
24:47 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. I stole like the iconic True Religions. That like, I cannot find in real life.
24:55 Alex Cooper? Anywhere.
24:56 Speaker 01 That like, look good or fit, but for some reason, the Lucy jeans that Charlotte, who's the costume designer, found.
25:02 Alex Cooper? Charlotte.
25:02 Speaker 01 I was like, can I please, Charlotte will help you. She's a genius at finding it.
25:06 Alex Cooper? Dude, I need to find Charlotte and be like, get me those jeans on. The low-rise jeans that she has found for you.
25:11 Speaker 01 It's crazy. She, she really found them.
25:14 Alex Cooper? Oh, I would steal it too.
25:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:16 Alex Cooper? Um, okay, which character frustrates you the most?
25:19 Speaker 01 Lucy. Lucy.
25:21 Alex Cooper? What's been Lucy's most cringe-worthy moment?
25:25 Speaker 01 Oh. It's a lot to choose from. Or like, I think anytime Lucy thinks she's being subtle about something is the most cringey.
25:36 Alex Cooper? That's a good point.
25:37 Speaker 01 Like when she's, like, I think it was season one, when she tells Steven that she's not going to India because like, some reason, but it's so obvious that she's staying in town to like, be with him. And he like shuts her down.
25:51 Alex Cooper? It's like the modern day version of back in the day when, with, uh, The Hills, when like Lauren was the girl that didn't go to Paris. Cause she stayed to go with her boyfriend. Yeah.
26:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:01 Alex Cooper? And that was you in like, you're like, you're not going to India babe because of Steven.
26:05 Speaker 01 I know.
26:06 Alex Cooper? It's not because.
26:06 Speaker 01 And it's really obvious.
26:07 Alex Cooper? Okay, mine was though, the underwear moment in season two.
26:11 Speaker 01 Oh my God, of course, of course.
26:13 Alex Cooper? I was like screaming at my television when you are like, hooking up with both them in the same day and you're wearing the same fucking underwear.
26:21 Speaker 01 Same underwear.
26:22 Alex Cooper? I was like, no.
26:24 Speaker 01 Disgusting. Disgusting.
26:26 Alex Cooper? But honestly, genius writing.
26:28 Speaker 01 I know.
26:28 Alex Cooper? So good. So good. Oh.
26:31 Speaker 01 That was gnarly.
26:32 Alex Cooper? Um, okay, what is one piece of dating advice you would really like to give Lucy if you were her friend?
26:39 Speaker 01 Honestly, I feel like I would tell her, well, like, there's the obvious ones of like, get the fuck away from him.
26:45 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
26:46 Speaker 01 But people don't listen to that.
26:47 Alex Cooper? No.
26:47 Speaker 01 People need to figure that out for themselves. So I would tell her to try and like mend her relationship with her mom. Because she's had zero parental guidance this whole time. She has like a shitty relationship with her mom. But, and I feel like if she had some sort of motherly figure, like, just tell her. Because like, it was so helpful when my mom, like, when, when you're caught up in something, when you're young and your mom just tells you, like, reminds you how unimportant this is in the grand scheme of your life and how helpful that is to hear from like, just an older, wiser person.
27:31 Alex Cooper? It's so true. I feel like there's been so many moments watching the show that I'm like, oh my God, if only she could go to her mom and feel like she could actually tell her what's going on. Her mom as an adult could be like, babe. But because she lacks that, there's kind of nowhere to go. And obviously, when you are in college, I experienced it, like, we're all a shit show at that point in our lives. So your friends can only give you so much advice, but at the same time, you're like-
27:58 Speaker 01 They're probably doing a similar, everyone's doing a similar-
28:01 Alex Cooper? The same kind of shit, kind of. And so it's like, you need someone that's actually been through life to be like-
28:06 Speaker 01 Yes.
28:07 Alex Cooper? Walk away.
28:08 Speaker 01 Yes.
28:08 Alex Cooper? Trust me.
28:09 Speaker 01 Walk away, or like, everything will be okay. Like, somebody just to tell her that, like, you're good.
28:15 Alex Cooper? Fuck, marry, kill. Max. Leo.
28:19 Speaker 01 Evan.
28:20 Alex Cooper? Oh my God.
28:23 Speaker 01 Poor Max.
28:26 Alex Cooper? Poor Max.
28:28 Speaker 01 He's been right in front of her the whole time and she's just like, looking past him. She is not, oh, poor Max. Mary Max, obviously. Um.
28:44 Speaker 01 Probably kill Evan.
28:48 Alex Cooper? Bye Evan.
28:49 Speaker 01 Sorry Evan.
28:50 Alex Cooper? It's okay.
28:51 Speaker 01 Sorry Evan.
28:53 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
28:53 Speaker 01 That's so funny.
28:54 Alex Cooper? Okay, what is, in your opinion, the most fucked up thing Lucy or Steven have done to each other?
29:00 Speaker 01 I mean, Steven walking out of the Hawaiian party with Diana, hand in hand, leaving Lucy in a coconut bra was pretty.
29:10 Alex Cooper? Has your sister showed you those edits on TikTok?
29:13 Speaker 01 I don't think so.
29:15 Alex Cooper? They're everywhere. They still live to this day, even though we're going on season three, that scene. Wait, what was your reaction when you read that scene? Because like you said, you only read the-
29:24 Speaker 01 Jaw on the floor.
29:25 Alex Cooper? Jaw on the floor.
29:26 Speaker 01 Jaw on the floor. There's a really funny thing that happened because Robin Wright was directing that episode, the amazing Robin Wright. And she really approached her directing style because she's an actor, like she, she knew how to talk to actors and she knew that Jackson and I were dating and was like, was like, basically just tried to get me to, to believe that this was real life and like, she's like, just think, what if Jackson did do this? What if he walked out and said on the way out, "I, I never loved you. I don't even think you're pretty."
30:07 Speaker 01 And I was like, and in the moment, I was like, oh God, that's, that'd be really awful and really bad. And I, I like, just tried to, to go there, but really with that moment, it was like pure shock. I thought like, the less of a reaction, the more impactful it would be because it's like, you, you don't even know what's going on. Like, everything's in slow motion.
30:27 Alex Cooper? It's a good point. You, there's actually, there is no reaction.
30:30 Speaker 01 There's no reaction.
30:31 Alex Cooper? You're gonna probably process it later.
30:33 Speaker 01 Exactly.
30:33 Alex Cooper? But in the moment, you're like dissociating.
30:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're like, yeah. I, I imagined it in slow motion because it's like, and I think that's what they did in the edit.
30:41 Alex Cooper? They slowed it down.
30:42 Speaker 01 Because it's like, you can't even-
30:45 Alex Cooper? I remember watching the first season and I think something that I really appreciated about it is, it's such an accurate portrayal of what a toxic relationship is. And I think that's why so many people really gravitate towards it because- I haven't seen something like this done in cinema because you kind of are watching it and you're like, it's such a slow, sneaky burn at first.
31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:08 Alex Cooper? For you in your life, like, what is the hardest, I know you've said you've never been in a toxic relationship, like, what's the hardest lesson you've had to learn in dating?
31:19 Speaker 01 I mean, I feel like, like, to go back to what we were talking about before with, like, vulnerability, like, before I learned that, I feel like it was so hard because I wasn't communicating and they didn't know how I felt. So it was just like, would become a mess because, because I didn't know how to, how to talk about my feelings.
31:40 Alex Cooper? Yeah, I know. I think you said somewhere, like, you had never been in a toxic situation, but you've been in immature relationships.
31:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:47 Alex Cooper? Which is
31:48 Speaker 01 Of course.
31:48 Alex Cooper? All of us.
31:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:49 Alex Cooper? And when you start dating people, and it's cute because we think we're so mature when we get into relationships.
31:55 Speaker 01 Totally.
31:55 Alex Cooper? When we're in our teens or twenties or whatever it be, and you're like, I'm literally an adult. Mom, don't tell me what to do.
32:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:02 Alex Cooper? Meanwhile, you actually have no idea what
32:04 Speaker 01 You have no idea.
32:05 Alex Cooper? You have no idea what you're doing.
32:07 Speaker 01 No.
32:08 Alex Cooper? What did some of those, like, more immature things look like for you, just like in life of dating?
32:15 Speaker 01 I feel like just lack of communication, jealousy is probably like a big immature relationship thing, I feel like, which is, you know, normal throughout even non-toxic relationships. It's very natural, but like, that intensity of jealousy that felt like death or something, you know?
32:37 Alex Cooper? It's like all encompassing.
32:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. There's always the fear too of like, even when you know something should be coming to an end, like the fear of like, what is life after that? Like, that's always a scary thought, even, even if you know what you have to do.
32:53 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
32:54 Speaker 01 Even if it is immature, even if it is toxic, it's like, That fear.
32:59 Alex Cooper? Lucy's friends are obviously always telling her to leave Steven, but she never wants to listen. Obviously. Have you ever been in a tough situation with a friend where you know you need to have a conversation with them about who they're seeing? Whether it's because it's deteriorating their mental health, or you found out they were cheated on, or whatever it be. And like, have you had that?
33:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, for sure.
33:19 Alex Cooper? How do you even approach those moments? Because some people are like, I'm not getting involved. Some people get involved.
33:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, it depends on the friend.
33:27 Alex Cooper? Okay.
33:27 Speaker 01 I mean, especially when, when something is so overt, like cheating. If somebody cheated on my friend, like, I feel no problem being like, don't, don't settle for that. Um, but it's also hard. It's like, because you want to support your friends. And a lot of them, a lot of people are in this vicious cycle of relationships. And it's like, even if they know it's not good for them, it's just, it's hard to break the set. That's the hardest part.
34:00 Alex Cooper? And it's hard being a friend because you're like, on one hand, I feel like it's my duty as a friend to be like, girl.
34:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:07 Alex Cooper? But then I also know you, you can kind of like suss out when your friend's not ready to hear it.
34:12 Speaker 01 Yes.
34:12 Alex Cooper? So you're kind of like.
34:13 Speaker 01 You kind of have to gauge it.
34:14 Alex Cooper? And you're like, are we gonna get in a fight?
34:17 Speaker 01 Right.
34:17 Alex Cooper? Because I'm technically would be overstepping. And some people would be like, no, you have to tell them. But it's like, you know, sometimes if you found out some shit, you're like, I actually could tell her, but she's not in her right mind.
34:29 Speaker 01 Right.
34:29 Alex Cooper? She's just gonna get pissed at me.
34:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:31 Alex Cooper? So you almost have to kind of just like be there for a friend.
34:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:35 Alex Cooper? And kind of like we said with the themes of the show of like, if you go at them and you judge them, then they're going to alienate themselves and then they won't come to you the next time.
34:44 Speaker 01 Exactly. Which is really dangerous, too. And like, you don't want to like, there, there's been so many situations where that friend does open up and go there with you with like shitting on the guy or breaking up with them. And then they get back together and you're like face to face and you have to, that's tricky.
35:03 Alex Cooper? It's so hard. And you're like.
35:04 Speaker 01 So I think there's like a way to do it in like a tame, supportive way.
35:09 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
35:09 Speaker 01 It's like.
35:10 Alex Cooper? Because at the end of the day, it's not your life.
35:12 Speaker 01 Exactly.
35:12 Alex Cooper? It's your friend's life. And so you can be there, but you're also like.
35:14 Speaker 01 Listen to people. Like advice is a very like ethereal comfort thing. It's not like, people don't take it literally, unless it's like technique bit, like unless it's like.
35:27 Alex Cooper? People rarely take advice. I agree unless it's not so personal.
35:34 Speaker 01 Yes.
35:34 Alex Cooper? Right?
35:35 Speaker 01 Yes.
35:35 Alex Cooper? It's almost like if you can get like work wise, if you have something that is tangible, that it's like, oh, this is gonna help you get the raise, or this is gonna help you get the job, whatever it be, people are like, oh, I'm gonna try it.
35:44 Speaker 01 Yes.
35:44 Alex Cooper? But when it involves someone.
35:47 Speaker 01 Mental, personal thing. Yeah.
35:50 Alex Cooper? In the moment, they could be like, that's literally genius, yes. And then they get home and they're like, wait, I can't do that.
35:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're gonna be like, I'm gonna text him. Yeah.
35:57 Alex Cooper? You're like, how?
35:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
36:00 Alex Cooper? You also can't take it too personal when you're a friend like that. I agree where it's like, give the advice if it feels right in the moment, don't overstep, but also expect nothing.
36:08 Speaker 01 Totally, totally.
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37:30 Alex Cooper? We have kind of an overlapping fun story because we met both of our partners on Zoom.
37:37 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
37:38 Alex Cooper? I met my husband on Zoom, a work Zoom. You met Jackson on a Zoom.
37:43 Speaker 01 Yes.
37:43 Alex Cooper? Okay, tell me about your first Zoom because most people you guys would think it's not so sexy. And I remember when I told my story, people were like, Zoom. And I'm like, yeah, it really went down on a Zoom.
37:53 Speaker 01 Wait, I need to hear your story because I bet mine's the opposite of yours.
37:56 Alex Cooper? Okay, I got on a Zoom and there were multiple people on it.
38:00 Speaker 01 Okay.
38:00 Alex Cooper? I was meeting with my husband's production company at the time. And he was late, I'm on the call, and everyone on the call was like fans of Call or Daddy. So they were like big Call or Daddy fans and they were like mentioning episodes to me and vibes were great.
38:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:14 Alex Cooper? And then Matt got on and he comes in as just like the producer that's like, oh, like, I don't know much about your show. Like, tell me about your show. And I'm like, immediately, I'm like, that's.
38:22 Speaker 01 I need his validation.
38:24 Alex Cooper? I'm like, why is this so fucked up that I'm like, oh, my God, it's so hot. You don't know who I am. Love this.
38:29 Speaker 01 Totally.
38:29 Alex Cooper? And then the whole Zoom, I'm like staring at his Zoom box. I'm looking at no one else.
38:33 Speaker 01 You like pinned it?
38:34 Alex Cooper? Yeah. I'm staring directly in his eyes. He has no idea. He's like on his phone, busy, not paying attention. No, but I'm, I'm watching him and I'm like, wow, he's like really hot. Like I'm attracted to this guy. And then afterwards he emailed me just being like, are we making this TV show or what? Like, let me know if you're ever in LA. I was like, oh, I'm going to be in LA next week. And then we went and got dinner and the rest was history.
38:55 Speaker 01 Was it instantly romantic vibe?
38:57 Alex Cooper? Um, I felt that way.
38:58 Speaker 01 Or did you like kind of weasel your way?
39:00 Alex Cooper? I was like, I was like, I'm on a date.
39:02 Speaker 01 Okay.
39:03 Alex Cooper? He's like, so the show. And then finally he was the person that actually gave me the advice where he was like, can I be honest? I really don't think you should make this TV show right now. It feels like this is not the right time in your career. And every other producer had been like, let's make it tomorrow and just saw like dollar signs. And I was like, wow, that was very attractive that he wasn't just trying to use it.
39:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:21 Alex Cooper? Cause like it would be a benefit to him. And then I was like, okay, well, if we're not making the show, let's turn this into a date. And he was like, okay.
39:30 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
39:31 Alex Cooper? So I was like pretty forward because I just felt it.
39:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:34 Alex Cooper? And I never usually was like that in relationships.
39:37 Speaker 01 But you knew.
39:38 Alex Cooper? Okay, what was your Zoom like?
39:40 Speaker 01 I didn't, didn't like Jackson. Stop. No, we talk about this all the time. That's like, because I had done.
39:50 Speaker 01 A bunch of Zoom chemistry reads, because it was still like COVID-y, so it was all on Zoom, the first round.
39:56 Alex Cooper? Wait, so this is for Tell Me Lies?
39:57 Speaker 01 Yes.
39:57 Alex Cooper? And you have the job?
39:58 Speaker 01 I have the job.
39:59 Alex Cooper? Okay.
40:00 Speaker 01 And I'm in the, we're in the process of like zooming with, with guys and like reading scenes with them and like, uh, Jackson, I had heard like was the favorite. So I'm like excited for his thing. And he gets on and I, I just, I've told him this, that I'm like, oh, this is like a, this is like a serious actor, like actory actor. So I was just like, oh God, but he was so good. And I was like, all right, it's fine. Maybe we won't get along, but like he's perfect for the part and he's so talented and great. And so I was like, it was half really excited that like we found the Steven.
40:44 Speaker 01 Um, but the other, I was just like, kind of rolled my eyes a little bit. And then, and then we met in person for the next round. And he was like, it was like a completely different energy. And he just told me he was like really nervous for the Zoom and, and he was just like, and now I know him so well and I know that part of him. And I'm like, oh, that's what I was seeing. But it really took me to meet him in person to be like, this guy's the best.
41:14 Alex Cooper? So you're about to do a job together?
41:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:16 Alex Cooper? But then you start dating before the job starts?
41:19 Speaker 01 We start dating before the job.
41:20 Alex Cooper? Who makes the first move? How do you guys decide to even like go on a date?
41:25 Speaker 01 We had some mutual friends that like, I, I was so in the like zone of the show and being so excited about doing it and like finding the guy and just like, it was just something I was really excited about. So like my brain was very like Tell Me Lies. And I kept thinking. About him and I couldn't tell if it was like, oh, I'm so excited that like, I couldn't tell yet. I couldn't tell if it was like a crush or like a, a career exciting thing. And, and then I remember hearing like my friend's boyfriend was working with him on another movie.
42:09 Speaker 01 And we decided after they finished that movie, like we were all gonna have dinner or something. And so, and so we all had dinner and it was just like instantly, we were, it was just, we vibed instantly. And it was kind of that, not, we were both like, we both have a crush on each other. This is probably like the worst thing that could happen. And like, we sat on a stoop for I think like six hours and talked about every reason why we should not act on this. And then I kissed him.
42:42 Alex Cooper? You're like, so with all that said.
42:43 Speaker 01 With all that said. Come here. Um, yeah.
42:47 Alex Cooper? So then no one knew you guys were first seeing each other.
42:50 Speaker 01 No, no one knew. We were like, and we didn't, we weren't like, let's, we need to keep this secret. But we were like, we don't have to flaunt it. We don't have to. But we also saw it as like a fun game. Like how long can we go without people realizing?
43:05 Alex Cooper? And so how did people find out?
43:07 Speaker 01 I mean, it was pretty quick. It was just like, the cast knew pretty immediately. Cause we would all hang out to like, get to know each other and.
43:15 Alex Cooper? And they're like, why do you guys feel like you guys know each other?
43:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:18 Alex Cooper? And you're like, what?
43:19 Speaker 01 Yeah. What are you talking about? So they knew right away and then people just caught on. There was never like. We never announced it, but like.
43:27 Alex Cooper? Okay, love.
43:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:28 Alex Cooper? Um, how did you, cause I think this is something people are always so fascinated with. Me being like, what, how the fuck do you work with your husband? And like, it actually for me, I'm always like, I know this sounds maybe weird, but it's the easiest part of my job.
43:42 Speaker 01 I completely agree.
43:43 Alex Cooper? I was gonna ask like, what conversations did you and Jackson have in going into like, we're working together? We're seeing each other. How are we gonna make this work?
43:51 Speaker 01 I actually don't know if we had any like initial conversation. I think it was very, because it was so early on. I think it was very like, let's just see how this goes. And it just happened very naturally that it just, we found our groove in it and.
44:09 Speaker 01 We were able to be professional and then also just have the best time together. And yeah, and I completely agree. It's like the best, the best part of the job is being able to do it with him.
44:21 Alex Cooper? What do you think is the most difficult scene that you guys have had to shoot together?
44:28 Speaker 01 I mean, honestly, anytime he's being like a dick, which is most of the time. I'm like, you're a little too good at that.
44:37 Speaker 01 I'm like, can you come here for a second? Why are you so good at that?
44:42 Speaker 01 That's, you're really good at that.
44:46 Alex Cooper? That's so real. I'm wondering like, cause you know, when like you have a dream, like I don't know if this ever happened to you, but sometimes I'll have a dream that like something happened with Matt and then I wake up.
44:55 Speaker 01 Oh, do you wake up fully pissed?
44:56 Alex Cooper? And I'm like, wait, why am I mad at him?
44:59 Speaker 01 Yes.
44:59 Alex Cooper? Does that ever happen with you where like he's playing so good that you're like, am I mad at you or am I mad at Steven? But you're Steven and you're going home at night together and you're like.
45:07 Speaker 01 Like you were really mean today.
45:09 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
45:12 Alex Cooper? It's real.
45:13 Speaker 01 No, thankfully I can separate Steven from Jackson. But I do have the dream thing 1,000%.
45:19 Alex Cooper? Will you roll over?
45:19 Speaker 01 If I have a dream that he like cheated on me, I wa- I wake up and he, he cheated on me.
45:26 Alex Cooper? I'm like, you ruined our life.
45:27 Speaker 01 For sure.
45:28 Alex Cooper? Matt's like, bring me coffee. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, you, oh, fuck, I know it was a dream, but I still am angry. He's like, why?
45:35 Speaker 01 I know.
45:36 Alex Cooper? It's like such a real.
45:37 Speaker 01 Do you dream really vividly?
45:38 Alex Cooper? Oh.
45:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, same.
45:40 Alex Cooper? Sometimes I pick up on my dreams the next night. I like to tap back into.
45:44 Speaker 01 I do the same thing.
45:45 Alex Cooper? It's like a show.
45:46 Speaker 01 And it feels so, feels so real to me, my dreams.
45:50 Alex Cooper? Yeah. Um, okay, there's a lot of sex in the show, obviously.
45:53 Speaker 01 Yes.
45:54 Alex Cooper? Talk to me about how when you kind of knew that this was something that was came with the show? How did you feel about it? Was there any part that was hesitant? Did your, did you tell your family? Were they chill like, cause it's a lot.
46:07 Speaker 01 It's a lot. I remember like.
46:13 Speaker 01 It's not the first time I had been like naked in anything. So it wasn't like, it didn't feel like this first scary thing. It was scary for a million different reasons, but um, I'm like, the most important thing to me when there's like nudity or sex stuff is that it's just necessary to the story and to the character. And I felt like this really was like, it's such a specific thing being like for Lucy sexually awakened for the first time and being obsessed with the guy who like, changed her life sexually and like not being able to get that out of her brain. Like that is a very relatable thing.
46:56 Speaker 01 And I couldn't imagine telling that story without sex in it. It's like seeing the power dynamics changed through it. And like getting that false validation from it, getting like so many things. I feel like it was necessary to tell the story. So in that way, I was like, I felt safe.
47:14 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
47:15 Speaker 01 Doing it.
47:15 Alex Cooper? It's a great point. Like I agree. I think there's been shows, I think that I've watched it. I'm like, this feels forced.
47:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:21 Alex Cooper? And I agree with you. I think so much of it, again, why it is so relatable. It's like, I have experienced that where as a woman, you're like trying to navigate, like, should I sleep with him now? Should I sleep with him when? And like, how will that impact the? And it's just
47:36 Speaker 01 Right.
47:36 Alex Cooper? Such a mind fuck. And we watch you handle that so well. So I agree with you. Um, obviously I think there's the natural question that everyone always has of like, how does playing this character with your boyfriend and having these sex scenes in a show? Like, is it hot and steamy? Which, I mean, I'll let you answer for yourself.
48:00 Speaker 01 No, it's, I think it's like a, a very common misconception to think that it's hot. Cause it's, it could not be less sexy. To me, for me at least, like filming those scenes are the most. Technical, choreographed, there's like intimacy coordinator, coordinators there, there's the directors, the show, like, there's so many people around, there's like, it has to be like planned legally. So it's like, it's be very hard to enjoy yourself in those moments.
48:36 Alex Cooper? I was thinking about that when I, when I was gonna ask you that, because I was like, knowing that like, that's what happens on sets, which I get it, like, for most consumers, they don't understand that, where it's like, there's like, sometimes 20 people in a room, or five, or 50, it depends on like, what the shoot is. And it's so not about the sex, it's so about like, can you lift up your right leg more, so we can see, okay, yeah.
49:02 Speaker 01 Your arm, can you move your arm a little bit, so you can't see your nipple? Like, it's like, all that. And then you'll like, turn your head, and you'll see like, a guy holding a boom, and you're like, what? This is so weird. This is so weird. And you're so, I mean, for me, I just like, completely disassociate in those scenes, too. I like, feel so out of body, I don't know, I like, I don't know what I do in those scenes, because I'm like,
49:25 Alex Cooper? Is it easier to do it with Jackson? Or would it almost be easier to do it with Jessica Rando?
49:30 Speaker 01 No, it's so much easier, because you feel comfortable. Like, so much of the weirdness is not knowing the guy you have to do that with. And like, it's just, it makes it so much safer and comfortable, at least.
49:43 Alex Cooper? What is the most awkward moment that you guys have had on set together?
49:48 Speaker 01 Me and Jackson?
49:51 Speaker 01 I don't know if we've had an awkward moment. I made him laugh, which Jackson is like, he does not break. Like, you cannot break him when he's in the zone. And I made him laugh this season and I will wear it on my chest for like the rest of my life.
50:10 Alex Cooper? You're like at dinner, you're like, remember when I made you laugh?
50:12 Speaker 01 I literally, I like take so much pride in it that I broke him. So that was, that was great.
50:19 Alex Cooper? Can you tell me about this ADR situation that we were talking about before we started filming? So obviously because of the amount of sex scenes, there's gonna have to be, or you explain it.
50:28 Speaker 01 Yeah. So like normally after you finish a show or movie, you go in to do ADR, which is like plugging in sounds that like maybe the sound got messed up or whatever it is. There's some interference with the sound. And with all these sex scenes, I've had to ADR sex scenes multiple times. And that is the most awkward thing. I think I've, that is worse than shooting the sex scene. Like kissing your hand or like moaning and.
51:00 Alex Cooper? Dude, you are putting us on your back.
51:03 Speaker 01 I'm literally like, can anybody else, no one knows what my kissing sound sounds like. Can somebody else do this?
51:09 Alex Cooper? They're like, Grace, get in the booth. Honestly, thank you because it seems so real, but like now hearing you do that, I'm never gonna be able to uncut that. That's amazing.
51:16 Speaker 01 It's so.
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52:19 Alex Cooper? speed things up. There are all sorts of hacks like, you know, sitting on an Uncrustable sandwich so it thaws faster, but you don't have to wait for that pillowy soft bread anymore. You can now keep Uncrustables in your fridge so they're ready to eat the moment that craving strikes. No wait time. Find them in the freezer aisle today. What would you say your best quality is as a partner?
52:43 Speaker 01 Hmm.
52:46 Speaker 01 I think
52:49 Speaker 01 support. I think I'm really supportive and like I'm so excited for him about everything. And I think um, I just, it's one of my favorite things to do. So like get excited for him and, and support whatever he's doing.
53:10 Alex Cooper? What is his best quality?
53:13 Speaker 01 He's a really good listener and like really eases my anxiety on a lot of things. He's like a very calm, grounded presence and it makes me feel really, really like at ease.
53:29 Alex Cooper? Cute.
53:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:30 Alex Cooper? Cute. Um, okay, we're gonna play a game.
53:32 Speaker 01 Okay.
53:33 Alex Cooper? There are obviously a lot of secrets and tell me lies. So today we're gonna learn some of yours. Okay. What is a secret obsession of yours that people would be shocked by?
53:45 Speaker 01 Secret obsession?
53:50 Speaker 01 This is a new one. I'm obsessed with pajama sets.
53:56 Alex Cooper? Like sexy?
53:58 Speaker 01 No.
53:58 Alex Cooper? Oh.
53:59 Speaker 01 Like, like Jackson he did a video of me last night because I started getting in this, I don't know if this is like an OCD thing that's begun or like a ri- a rich, not like a
54:14 Alex Cooper? Like a ritual?
54:15 Speaker 01 A ritual or superstition. I don't know. I've made this up, but like recently, like the past year, if I have something to do the next day, like a, like a first day of something of work or whatever, or like a big day of press or whatever, I feel like I have to wear a pajama set or else it's gonna be really bad.
54:37 Alex Cooper? Did you put on this pajama set? Cause you knew you were coming on Call or Daddy.
54:42 Speaker 01 Wait. After you have to show.
54:45 Alex Cooper? What does it look like?
54:46 Speaker 01 I tried on a new one last night that I've never worn, but I ordered online. And I looked like a 1930s like jester.
54:55 Alex Cooper? And so you're just like trying out new PJ sets left and right.
54:58 Speaker 01 Trying out.
54:59 Alex Cooper? Not so sexy.
55:00 Speaker 01 No, none, literally none of them are sexy. They're either like, I can do with like a long nightgown.
55:09 Speaker 01 Or just like a cozy set, like top and bottom. And but last night was really, I had to change. I had to change. Cause I'm like this almost, I think this might give me bad luck. There was like weird cinching happening that I felt like my arms were getting cut off.
55:24 Alex Cooper? Yeah, no.
55:25 Speaker 01 Um, but I'll get the video for you. Cause he's like, what? He was like, did you miss clown school or?
55:32 Alex Cooper? Thinking of you being like, okay, I'm going on color daddy tomorrow. What should I do? And you're putting this shit on. He's like, you look like an actual clown. Take it off.
55:39 Speaker 01 I look, it's literally like red, white, no red and like navy stripes with like, almost like a bib thing. It looked so cute online and I got them for my sisters. So now we all have them. And I remember actually thinking like when I gave them to them, I think they must have worn them. And I was like, you like your pajamas? And I remember like kind of not loving their response. And they were like, yeah, they're cute. And now I know why I put them on last night and I was like, this is.
56:06 Alex Cooper? This is actually heinous. Goodbye.
56:09 Speaker 01 Goodbye.
56:10 Alex Cooper? Okay, that see this, we needed to know these things. Um, okay, what's the worst lie you ever told to get out of plans?
56:17 Speaker 01 You know, I feel like
56:21 Speaker 01 when I was younger, I would like really try and come up with an excuse out of like not wanting to hurt people's feelings, but I really take pride in just telling the truth now. Like I love cancelling plans and.
56:37 Speaker 01 Saying like, I'm really tired. Or like, I don't want to leave my house. Or like, like, I'm trying to do that as much as possible.
56:46 Alex Cooper? I actually respect that more than when you get the texts. It's like, okay.
56:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
56:52 Alex Cooper? My grandmother, I'm like, wait, you said she died.
56:55 Speaker 01 Right.
56:55 Alex Cooper? Well, she's back.
56:56 Speaker 01 Right.
56:56 Alex Cooper? And, and then you go on this long tangent. You're like, just tell me you don't want to come or you can't come.
57:01 Speaker 01 Yes, yes.
57:02 Alex Cooper? Okay.
57:02 Speaker 01 That's so that's what I'm, that's what I try and do.
57:05 Alex Cooper? What's a childhood secret you never told your parents?
57:09 Speaker 01 I actually just let one secret out that I kept. I got a tattoo and I mean, so long ago and I never told my parents. And we were on vacation last summer and I had a couple of drinks and I was like, guys, look, and I flipped because I got it in my lip.
57:27 Alex Cooper? What does it say?
57:28 Speaker 01 It says 99 and it's, it's for my grandpa. It was like a grandpa thing. And I was drunk and thought that my mom would love it because it's like for her dad. And they were like, what, what? Because they've thought I've had no tattoos and I let it, I let it slip that I do. And they.
57:47 Alex Cooper? Freaked out.
57:47 Speaker 01 They freaked out.
57:48 Alex Cooper? But it's also like inside your lips.
57:50 Speaker 01 It's in, you can't see it. It's like faded and weird. I have a little, I have a little spider here.
57:56 Alex Cooper? When did you get that?
57:58 Speaker 01 I got it with Jackson on my birthday, like two years ago, maybe almost three years ago.
58:04 Alex Cooper? When is your birthday?
58:05 Speaker 01 November 21st.
58:07 Alex Cooper? Are you into your horoscope or no?
58:09 Speaker 01 I, I'm into it. I don't know a lot about it, but I'm down for it.
58:12 Alex Cooper? Scorpio?
58:13 Speaker 01 Scorpio.
58:14 Alex Cooper? Scor- uh, uh oh, see, that's the face I always get. Well, I dated, I think a Scorpio man and I was like.
58:20 Speaker 01 I don't know any Scorpio men. What are they like? Scary?
58:25 Alex Cooper? What is Jackson?
58:26 Speaker 01 Pisces.
58:27 Alex Cooper? Oh, that's good.
58:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
58:28 Alex Cooper? Yeah, Scorpio men, um. They'll fuck you up.
58:33 Speaker 01 Hmm. Mental, mental games.
58:35 Alex Cooper? Uh huh.
58:36 Speaker 01 Scary.
58:37 Alex Cooper? Yeah, scary. But you know, I think women are great. So a lot of my friends are Scorpios, so I love them.
58:42 Speaker 01 Okay, good.
58:42 Alex Cooper? So you're, you're totally good.
58:43 Speaker 01 I'm in. Okay.
58:44 Alex Cooper? Okay, let's talk about The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox.
58:48 Speaker 01 Let's do it.
58:49 Alex Cooper? I will never forget the day I interviewed her.
58:51 Speaker 01 Oh my God, yes.
58:53 Alex Cooper? I know. I met her. Oh my God, this was like years ago. And it was before I even had video podcasting. She came to my house, her husband came, they brought their child and I met her and I was just like, I need to know everything. Like she just has this.
59:12 Speaker 01 And she'll tell you.
59:13 Alex Cooper? I know. She'll tell you everything.
59:14 Speaker 01 She'll tell you it all, yeah.
59:15 Alex Cooper? And she's such an open book. Talk to me about how rewarding it was to play this character.
59:19 Speaker 01 It was, it was amazing. It's like, it really feels like the most important thing I've ever done and ever will do. Just being able to help somebody tell their story in their own way is so, just so cool. And I'm so, so honored that I got to be a part of it.
59:39 Alex Cooper? Is it true that you have said throughout your career, you always wanted to play her?
59:42 Speaker 01 Yes.
59:43 Alex Cooper? What drew you to it?
59:45 Speaker 01 I remember watching the documentary, the Netflix one in like 2015 or 16, whenever that came out. And I just remember watching her and being like, I want, this person is so fascinating. Like, yes, the story is crazy and, and I can't believe the story and the details of it, but I thought she was just so interesting. And I couldn't get a, I couldn't quite get a full grasp on her. And I just wanted to know more. So like that intrigued me.
1:00:16 Alex Cooper? No, you were incredible. And I think you did such a great job of making your own while also staying true to Amanda and the integrity of her story. Like, how much time did you get to spend with Amanda? Pre-shooting?
1:00:29 Speaker 01 I found out. I got the job and then I had like two months.
1:00:33 Alex Cooper? Okay.
1:00:34 Speaker 01 So that was, those two months were like crammed in with a lot of learning Italian and talking to her as much as I could. But like throughout the whole shoot, I was talking to her.
1:00:46 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
1:00:46 Speaker 01 Pretty frequently.
1:00:47 Alex Cooper? Amazing.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 Cause she was, I mean, you've met her. She's so open and so vulnerable. I felt like if I had a question at any moment, I could just like text her and call her and she was just so there.
1:00:59 Alex Cooper? Um, then after this, we are going back to Tell Me Lies.
1:01:02 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:01:02 Alex Cooper? Because season three then is going to come out. I know you can't say anything, but to wrap up, number one, so you filmed everything. So you know what the finale is.
1:01:12 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:01:12 Alex Cooper? You're sitting in my presence with this and knowledge.
1:01:14 Speaker 01 I wish I could tell you.
1:01:15 Alex Cooper? I feel like the cast, I feel like I've seen in the past always has tried to predict or like bet on what they think is gonna happen.
1:01:23 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:01:24 Alex Cooper? Did you guys bet on anything for this season and did anyone get it right?
1:01:28 Speaker 01 Honestly, no.
1:01:30 Alex Cooper? Okay.
1:01:30 Speaker 01 No.
1:01:31 Alex Cooper? That scares me.
1:01:32 Speaker 01 There, yeah, there are some things that I really, really did not see coming.
1:01:38 Alex Cooper? Okay, last question then. Can you describe season three, Tell Me Lies, in three words?
1:01:47 Speaker 01 It's fucking chaotic. I like.
1:01:50 Alex Cooper? It's perfect. Fucking chaotic. Bye.
1:01:52 Speaker 01 Fucking chaotic.
1:01:53 Alex Cooper? Um, dude, thank you so much for coming.
1:01:55 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:01:56 Alex Cooper? So fun to meet you.
1:01:57 Speaker 01 You too.
1:01:58 Alex Cooper? I'm so excited to see what you continue to do. Like, you're so talented. You have so much, obviously, that's coming and I'm just a fan. So I'm really excited to watch your career.
1:02:08 Speaker 01 I'm such a fan of you. I'm so happy we got to do this.
1:02:11 Alex Cooper? This was really good. Thank you.
1:02:12 Speaker 01 I'm like, it's, it's so cra- like.
1:02:15 Alex Cooper? You did it. You sat in the chair.
1:02:16 Speaker 01 Cause I'm like, I've watched this so many times.
1:02:21 Alex Cooper? You did it.
1:02:21 Speaker 01 It's so crazy.
1:02:22 Alex Cooper? You did it.
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