187. Wade Lightheart & Matt Gallant: Enzyme Fasting, Magnesium Science, NAD & Brain Training

What if everything you think you know about supplementation is backwards, and the real secret lies in the enzymatic processes that bodybuilders discovered decades ago? I sit down with Wade Lightheart and Matt Gallant from BiOptimizers who blow my mind with their lab research shows 1200% more amino acid absorption when you combine the right enzymes with protein, why magnesium deficiency is literally rewiring your stress response, and how fixing gut dysfunction - which I've seen in every single anxiety patient among my 160,000 cases - transforms everything from brain fog to systemic inflammation. BIOPTIMIZERS: “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: ⁠https://bit.ly/4inFfd7 Join the Ultimate Human VIP community for Gary Brecka's proven wellness protocols! https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Get Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart’s book, “The Ultimate Nutrition Bible“ here http://bit.ly/4fcvRsC Listen to "BIOptimizers Awesome Health Podcast" on all your favorite platforms! Website http://bit.ly/457Ju7x Apple Podcasts http://bit.ly/3J63qjP Connect with Wade Lightheart Website http://bit.ly/4l6CApl YouTube http://bit.ly/3INtZu3 Instagram http://bit.ly/459xSRw TikTok http://bit.ly/46xKt3A Facebook https://bit.ly/3J59Xv8 X http://bit.ly/4kXGtgh LinkedIn http://bit.ly/4mgNNoa Connect with Matt Gallant YouTube http://bit.ly/4oc5nLE Instagram http://bit.ly/3U2DBDF Facebook http://bit.ly/4kUa75P X http://bit.ly/475TbGd LinkedIn http://bit.ly/3UFY29D Thank you to our partners H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP: SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP: JOIN AND GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS: 20% OFF FIRST ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij HAPBEE: FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo CARAWAY: “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC RHO NUTRITION: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK! ⁠http://bit.ly/4obIFDC⁠ GENETIC TEST: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo YouTube ⁠https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 X https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:36 Creation of Bio Optimizers 12:14 Disruption of Genetic Tendency 14:55 Importance of Taking Digestive Enzymes 26:21 Symptoms of Magnesium & Other Nutrient Deficiencies 32:42 Fixing One’s Digestion Before Starting Supplementation 42:13 Concept of NanoVi Machine 31:43 Starting Your Supplementation Journey 50:55 Going Back to Taking Whole Foods 52:29 Gut-Brain Connection 1:02:29 What’s Next for Matt and Wade? 1:08:49 Human Optimizing 10-Day Experience 1:15:16 Experience on Different Types of Brain Frequencies 1:17:15 What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Gary Brecka?

  It just hit me like the laws of thermodynamics. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. So I cannot create this energy inside me. So I must be drawing upon something.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  That's where the supplement comes in. We're feeding the body a lot of raw materials.

• 0:14Gary Brecka?

  The majority of what we face as human beings is not pathology or disease per se. It's a lot of these nutrient deficiencies.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  The first symptom is people are stressed out. And when you're stressed, you actually leach more magnesium. Yeah, magnesium is really the best mineral to regulate your nervous system.

• 0:32Gary Brecka?

  I am an enormous believer in the fact that the body's ability to heal itself.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  You've got massive use of medications, over the counter stuff. None of that stuff works. That's something that the general public hasn't grasped, that the pill doesn't cure you. It just mitigates the consequence and then you're on the circus of the next pill, the next pill, the next pill.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Well, I think one of the biggest things people realize, holy shit, how much time am I spending thinking about food, preparing food, eating food, cleaning the food?

• 0:55Gary Brecka?

  As I say, don't worry about all the bad things that you're doing. Just keep adding good stuff and eventually the bad things will fall away. For someone that's just starting on their supplementation journey, but doesn't know really where to get off the ground. Where does the average person start?

• 1:08Speaker 02

  I would say ritualize it. Make it easy.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  I mean, you can start if you want to really be like on the more conservative side. Start with a

• 1:27Gary Brecka?

  Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today I'm super, super excited because we are going to wander around the human body on everything supplementation, gut-brain access, and everything that we can do to supplement from the outside to help us fix what's going on on the inside. And I have two very special guests, Wade Lightheart and Matt Gallant from BiOptimizers. Bio-Optimizers or? Let's, let's settle this one right now because I, I have this debate with my team all the time. Is it BiOptimizers or BiOptimizers?

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Is it potato or is it potato?

• 2:10Gary Brecka?

  Does it really matter, right?

• 2:12Speaker 02

  Doesn't really matter.

• 2:13Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  We actually bought the domain name with the two O's just in case people type that in.

• 2:18Gary Brecka?

  Well, because the O gets so big, it's like BiOptimizers, so I figure that was intentional.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Well, we also worked around, I wanted to do a big O with a little o in it and all these sort of things. And then that got next a long time ago, so.

• 2:32Gary Brecka?

  All right, let's go a little hydrogen, hydrogen gas into our waters. So you have a career, oh, that's a hydrogen bomb. He's getting serious.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I'm a hydrogen.

• 2:44Gary Brecka?

  Wants to step it up.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Patrick Flanagan, one of the original guys that wrote a whole chapter in one of my books and did the foreword in a book I wrote years ago. And so that's why I got turned on to this like 20 years ago.

• 2:58Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 2:59Speaker 02

  And Patrick was into this like 40 years ago.

• 3:01Gary Brecka?

  Wow, that's way ahead of his time.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was an interesting character.

• 3:05Gary Brecka?

  So tell me, how did you two come together? I mean, what was the genesis of BiOptimizers? As you know, I'm a huge fan of your sleep and magnesium formula. And I don't want to turn this whole podcast into a commercial for supplements, but I want to talk about your backgrounds, what brought you to BiOptimizers, what I find to be a common theme in a lot of my guests is that some of the most impactful people in the world, some of the most driven, passionate, impactful people have solved the problem in their life. Maybe it was drug or alcohol addiction. And now they're really just a passionate

• 3:45Gary Brecka?

  advocate for that. Or they had Lyme disease and they became a citizen scientist and they figured it out. And now they're an advocate for Lyme detox. And so what kind of road led you to where you are right now with BiOptimizers?

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Well, kick us off with how we met the first time. I only competed once in bodybuilding. And I saw Wade as he stepped on the scale at the weigh-in and he flexed his lats. I'm like, holy shit, who is this guy? And then he won that show. I was in the juniors.

• 4:19Gary Brecka?

  Oh, really? Right on.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  We didn't.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  1997. So we have a, we have a funny thing is like back in 97.

• 4:25Gary Brecka?

  Back in.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  It's like a kind of a little metaphor.

• 4:27Gary Brecka?

  Like Al Bundy. He would always talk about his high school days of football, you know, with Peg.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  So that was the first time I saw Wade, but then I was a personal trainer where his mom used to work out. And Wade came back to visit his family and we just struck up a friendship. He was living the life that I wanted to live. He was in Vancouver. I was in New Brunswick and I was gonna move to Vancouver and Wade's like, hey, man, come on over. And struck up a friendship. Wade was winning national natural bodybuilding championships as a vegetarian 20 years ago, which is my.

• 4:59Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:01Gary Brecka?

  Natural and vegetarian.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:03Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  So, and I was building stuff online and I'm like, Wade, I think you're, what you're doing is unusual enough that we can package this and sell it. So we created a product called Freaky Big Naturally.

• 5:15Gary Brecka?

  Freaky Big.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Yep. That was the genesis of our company. Yeah, that was an.

• 5:19Gary Brecka?

  Sounds like a really terrible rap song.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:27Gary Brecka?

  All right, let's, let's leave that one alone.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Some leftover of the party.

• 5:35Gary Brecka?

  So, so you create this, this supplement, Freaky Big Naturally.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Well, it was an info product.

• 5:41Gary Brecka?

  Oh, an info product.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, and it was successful right out of the gate. You know, we're, we literally started this company with a hundred bucks. And we were like doubling our money. We'd go on Google AdWords, spend a hundred bucks, get 200 back. Like, holy, this is incredible.

• 5:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  And then Wade and I were really passionate about enzymes and probiotics. And Wade, maybe talk about the, about Dr. Michael O'Brien and how we learned about that. Cause that was really a, a turning point for us, shifting us from the bodybuilding paradigm to health.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Well, I think there's a couple of elements. Matt and I have been successful from the dynamic tension that's created between both of us. And a shared passion, which is transforming people's health vitality. We were both personal trainers and he was a great marketer and I didn't know anything about marketing. I just said, I'm just gonna walk around shredded all the time. That's my marketing. Right? It worked, right? But it wasn't very scalable.

• 6:34Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  He also approached things from more of a ketogenic side and I was approaching things from a plant-based side. And we were doing radical experiments on side of that. And so, but the one element that was really, you know, unifying for us. One, we came from the same part of the world, very rural areas, very humble beginnings. He was on the French side of the river. I was on the English side of the river. There was a lot of commonalities and we fell in love with transforming people's health. As a personal trainer, number one job satisfaction in the world, if you do all the polling.

• 7:08Gary Brecka?

  Is it really?

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I believe it's because you're getting that human to human connection.

• 7:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Where you're taking somebody and transforming something that they can't literally buy. When someone has wealth, they can buy everything else in the world, but you, you have to develop the cultivation, the discipline, the practices and the principles. And because they're so time constrained, they need to trust somebody to take them through the journey, which is maybe their lifestyle's taken them out from it. And we had a passion and we had, we both had incredible track records from that. However, we knew there were some missing elements. And after I competed at the Mr. Universe Contest back in 2003, I ran into a whole digestive health crisis. I gained 42 pounds in 11 weeks.

• 7:53Gary Brecka?

  Oh my God.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  So I was in an inflammatory nightmare. And we met this guy. His name was Dr. Michael O'Brien. He looked like a cast off of Cocoon. He was just like in his seventies. He had vibrant skin. He gave a lecture, you know, six weeks after he had broken his back. He didn't eat during the whole lecture. It was 14 hours. He had all this energy. We're like, okay, I want to be like him.

• 8:15Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And, you know, after the seminar, we went up and talked to him and I said, listen, you know, we've had all this success. Some things went wrong. I am supposed to be this ideal picture of aesthetic perfection, but something's not working here. And he said something that... Change the course of our lives. And he said, Wade, you've learned to build the body from the outside in. I'm going to teach you how to build the body from the inside out. And he introduced us to the concept of probiotics and enzymes and special amino acids and antioxidants and gut health. And then all of these elements, which were pre, you know, way, way, way before

• 8:58Speaker 02

  the concept of biohacking or methylation or genetics, like he had just figured this stuff out. He had overcome colon cancer, cirrhosis of the liver. He'd helped Bernard Jensen.

• 9:08Gary Brecka?

  And what was his background? Was he a scientist?

• 9:10Speaker 02

  He was, yeah, he was a doctor and

• 9:12Speaker 01

  He ran three, three medical hospitals.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  And then, of course, he ran into all of the same problems that people that are going fixing people in that industry has. So eventually he fought in court, you know, four or five times. And eventually he said, I terminated all my stuff so that I could go off and do what I do. He's actually referred to in Come Alive and Bernard Jensen's book of how he helped him overcome cancer and

• 9:35Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, metastasized to the bone. It was a horrible case. You know, he was 80, 84 pounds at 78 years old. O'Brien went in there and in eight weeks and one day had him cancer free at 116 pounds and he dedicated the book to him. And so, you know, Bernard Jensen wrote the book.

• 9:54Gary Brecka?

  And was this diet and lifestyle enzymes?

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Particularly around hyperdose, massive dosages of enzymatic therapy, a special strain of probiotics and then a few bit of antioxidant kind of delivery of nutrients.

• 10:10Gary Brecka?

  Wow. And, and so, I mean, he, so he was licensed to practice medicine or he was just

• 10:16Speaker 02

  He was, and then eventually gave it up because he kept going before the board because he was curing people. Problematic.

• 10:23Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, it's really

• 10:24Speaker 02

  So anyways, so

• 10:25Gary Brecka?

  A shame, but

• 10:26Speaker 02

  He became a mentor for us and we literally, you know, Became the best students we could possibly be and learned everything that we could. We both went on his program. Six months later, I'd recaptured my physique, but unlike just looking good, I had a new level of health, vitality, energy.

• 10:44Gary Brecka?

  What was the retention from? What was the water retention from? Because for somebody who's been, had been as active as you were and bodybuilder, I imagine you're pretty disciplined about your diet. You're pretty disciplined about your caloric intake and your regimented and disciplined with your routine. What all of a sudden flicked the switch? Not like you went off the deep end and?

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Well, I always think that you never want to reduce things down to a single element. I would say it was a combination of elements. In order to qualify for that show, I had to do a bunch of competitions and I was in a, almost a perpetual competition diet for approximately two years, including the last 11 months. I started my diet cycle and then, you know, I hit this championship. I won that. I had to keep going ahead, keep going again, keep going again. And so the caloric restriction, the, you know, intense level of training, the specialized dehydration to go into the show. And keep in mind, what was different than say, a lot of biohackers or a lot of bodybuilders, because I think bodybuilders are the original biohackers.

• 11:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah, they are. They're the OGs. Bodybuilders are as good, if not better than most physicians at peptides or hormones. And, you know, we think that they're just these cavalier, just squirt all kinds of, you know, illicit drugs into their butt. But they're actually some of the more skilled. I mean, they go and they read the research. They're generally the ones that are more up to speed on their, on their blood work and their labs and things too, because they understand what's putting them at risk.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, there's a couple of elements. First, they're trying to overcome two distinct factors. One, The genetic propensity to store body fat. They're reducing it to maybe a suboptimal level, but they're disrupting that genetic tendency. And they're disrupting the genetic tendency to not build an excess amount of muscle. In order to do that, you've got to get really clear about things, not only from the science, but also on your intuitive awareness of how things are working, making you feel and transforming. Now, unfortunately, that's more to an aesthetic side and not necessarily to an internal health.

• 12:51Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  So for me, the whole bodybuilding journey, I didn't have the great genetics for it or things like that, but it became a point of reference and discovery and experimentation that I could apply things in a real world environment, test them, experience them, say, yeah, that feels something. Now can we find out how we can make that better? Or who's the scientist that we can get to kind of bridge the gap between what I'm noticing, feeling and understanding to what actually makes scientific sense? And can that be deliverable to a grand scale? We had a passion about that because he had a whole toolbox that I had never seen before. I had a whole toolbox that he had never seen before. So we had these ridiculous debates, you know, like, you know, is keto better or plant based better? It's like, what about lipids versus carbohydrates?

• 13:35Speaker 02

  You know, all those classic conversations? We were having those 20 years ago and it helped us round out our understanding of essential tools.

• 13:41Gary Brecka?

  So let's go into the, you know, let's go down the road of the, you know, the enzymes and nutrient absorption. Because, you know, we talk a lot about on my, on my podcast and I talk a lot about methylation, methylated nutrients, deficiencies, leading to different, you know, physiologic outcomes. My audience is very familiar with that. But we don't talk a lot about enzymes and the importance of enzymes. And one of the things that you said was, you know, this mentor of yours sat you down and talked to you about enzymatic reactions in the body and enzymes. Because at this point, you hadn't started bioptimizers, right? You were just curious and your heightened state of awareness and wanted to learn in this field. But what was the big aha moment that?

• 14:27Speaker 01

  When we started taking his enzymes.

• 14:30Gary Brecka?

  And what were his enzymes?

• 14:31Speaker 01

  They were just a blend of different, I mean, lipases, proteases, amylases.

• 14:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Well, when we started hyperdosing using maybe 20, 25 capsules a day, there was a level.

• 14:41Gary Brecka?

  25, wow.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is, I'd say that's a mid level.

• 14:44Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  You can go.

• 14:45Gary Brecka?

  I've heard of people doing that fasting.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:48Gary Brecka?

  That is the key.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  I've topped out at a thousand as an experiment. I don't recommend it, but you know, you gotta have a lot of energy.

• 14:57Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's certainly a high and a cognitive clarity that's really.

• 15:02Gary Brecka?

  So you take the high doses of these enzymes, assume like digestive enzymes and, and you don't eat. So you're fasted, you're in a prolonged fasted state and, and you're, and but you're taking high doses of enzymes. How, how long would you do something like that?

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Well, here's some mind blowing research that was done with some athletes.

• 15:22Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  You can cut recovery time with a lot of injuries by over 50%. So there's a great book called enzyme therapy.

• 15:31Gary Brecka?

  Enzyme therapy.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  One of the best books, if you really want to get into all the research.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Food enzymes for health and longevity is a, is kind of a deeper dive as well on that one's a great one.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  But here, here are some examples. Hematomas from 15.6 days down to 6.6. Swelling 10 days to four, restriction of movement, 12.6 days to five. Inflammation 10.5 to 3.8, unfit for training 10.2 days down to 4.2. And they did a bunch of research with boxers and karate athletes. And if you take the enzymes on an empty stomach, they're going to go into your bloodstream. And when, when you're talking about the fundamentals of health of the bodies, it comes down to your, your body's ability to make proteins, right? We don't even know how many proteins our body's making, but the estimate starts over 100,000. The building blocks of all that is amino acids.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  And one of the, one of the amazing things with mass enzymes is in the lab, there's an experiment called InfoGest, where we can simulate the digestive system.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  And when you take food with mass enzymes, you're going to get 1,200% more amino acids in 30 minutes than if you don't.

• 16:42Gary Brecka?

  So if you just took the mass enzymes?

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, with food, 1,200% more amino acids in 30 minutes.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  And again, these amino acids do all the things that we're looking to do, whether it's rebuilding our organs, recovering faster, et cetera. And if you think about all the health problems that occur from allergies, inflammation, a lot of those are coming from undigested proteins floating in the bloodstream. And if you can get proteases in there, it'll help break those down. And of course, when we're fasting, we're trying to maximize autophagy. And in our opinion, the enzymes accelerate that and take it to another level. So when we're fasting, we'll do 50 plus enzymes a day.

• 17:21Gary Brecka?

  Right. So, so I, you know, I think people, because they're called digestive enzymes. And we think of digestion as being something that-

• 17:29Speaker 02

  For just for digestion.

• 17:30Gary Brecka?

  You know.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  But you won't, you won't generally find enzymes in your stool. So you get a systemic, it'll be converted into a systemic enzyme. And that was one of the elements that we started to experiment with. To draw a full circle from our original conversation where we started this is, why did I have that inflammatory response in the body? Well, I was trying to adapt a meditating mentality to a vegetarian diet. And I was bridging the gap using, you know, low grade protein powder.

• 18:01Gary Brecka?

  Like whey.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. To try and bridge that gap.

• 18:04Gary Brecka?

  Soy or something.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  And so by doing that, over the course of that time, I was also following a high carbohydrate diet in common. Like, like simplified carbohydrates to create an insulin spike to drive amino acids for recovery. So I was creating an effect that I looked a certain way when I could have a certain fullness. But my internal state was getting destroyed. And so as soon as I stopped, you know, between all of those elements, as soon as I got out of the rigid discipline, the calorie restriction, the excessive training, the massive amounts of protein, undigested proteins courting through my system. My body went into a reactive phase, so I see the inflammation of swelling as a safety mechanism. After I gained 42 pounds, I actually felt better.

• 18:50Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 18:51Speaker 02

  I felt better, other than the fact that I can't move and I've like got sleep apnea and all these things. But like my, my brain felt better. And so it was like, my body was taking that out of the internal states, depositing it into some element to deal with. And then Dr. O'Brien came in, I put that in, you know, it was just like magic. And so I saw the difference. Over the course of four years, we coached about 15,000 people worldwide to do these enzymatic experiments and proteolytic probiotics.

• 19:20Gary Brecka?

  I've taken your mass enzymes in the powder form. So when you say 50 times, you mean 50 scoops of that?

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:29Gary Brecka?

  Okay. So basically just.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Fifty capsules.

• 19:31Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, 50 caps.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  You can open up the capsules.

• 19:33Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  One of the, one of the hacks, if you will, if you throw the enzymes in a protein shake, when it gets to room temp, you'll start tasting the protein converting into amino acids.

• 19:44Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  And one thing that's I think highly underrated is intra-workout nutrition. People use pre-workouts.

• 19:51Gary Brecka?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  You know, take energy, some caffeine, whatever, and then people do post-workout. But there's some good research showing that if you're drinking and sipping on amino acids while you're lifting, you're going to recover faster, gain more muscle mass. And it makes sense because as soon as you have strain or stress on a muscle tissue.

• 20:08Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  The recovery starts immediately. So you really want more amino acids in your bloodstream while you're lifting.

• 20:16Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  To maximize recovery, maximize gain.

• 20:18Gary Brecka?

  I definitely agree with that.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  So you can use, you know, two caps with your protein shake and then again, you'll get more amino acids.

• 20:24Gary Brecka?

  So, so even though you're taking a regular protein shake, just add the enzymes. I'm still fascinated by this whole concept of fasting and taking large amounts of, of enzymes because, you know, the, the enzymes are not just, once they've crossed the blood brain barrier, they're not just working in your digestive system, they're actually working in the blood.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Well, here's, here's the conceptual idea for people.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  You've got 25,000 different enzymatic processes and they're discovering them all the time, right? So, everything from thinking to blinking requires some sort of enzymatic activity. But, a large amount of our enzyme production is diverted to digestion. We're the only species on the planet that eats our food in a cook state. All cooking destroys enzymes, and so there's advantage of cooking, storing and all that. So, pasteurization, right? Sterilization, whether they're... All of those things are essentially making food so it doesn't decay, that gives it shelf life. And there's a lot of advantages to it. I'm not diss... But what we... If you have a cow or a horse eats grass in its raw state, a tiger eats, it eats, you

• 21:31Speaker 02

  know, raw meat, it eats the zebra in a live state, a bear can go either way as a herbivore, can eat the... But it's always getting both the enzymes and the nutrients inside of that. So, there is specific enzymes to that plant or that animal that are being activated upon the digestive process. So, you're not just getting the nutrients, the protein, carbohydrates, the fats, the vitamins. Yeah, the macros. You're actually getting the enzymes inside of that. And Howell outlines this with whales and cathespin activation when an animal dies and is killed and then it accelerates digestion. But, at the ultimate state, if you've got, say, 100, let's just use an arbitrary number, 100 units capacity of making enzymes in your body.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  And, 80 of those are being used up because you have to augment your digestive process. Well, you only have an availability of 20% of your enzymatic production to perform all of these other functions. So, the value of fasting, and so we did this tests ourselves, we would look at changes in our bodies and everything when we would do fasting protocols. And I said, "Okay, well, if that's true, then if I take a mega dosage of enzymes while I'm fasting, can I accelerate the benefits and the results or alleviate some of the liabilities of extended fasts?" Yeah. And...

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Across the board, it made it easier. I felt better. The detoxification was accelerated.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  And it was much easier. It was much easier. It was so much easier and I felt so much better. And for people that were doing, you know, I went through the whole process, starting with one days and then three days, and then eventually moving up to attend a water fast only. And, you know, I did all the juice fasts and experimented.

• 23:22Gary Brecka?

  And you do like a little mineral salt and then the enzymes, the digestive enzymes?

• 23:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:27Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, because I've done everything except the digestive enzymes in a fast.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  So I think that's what accelerates the mechanism of fasting is the freeing up of your natural enzymatic production. So what we're doing is we're augmenting it through exogenous enzymes, mass enzymes, particularly that focuses on a high amount of protease because we feel that's the most bang for your buck.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  And just to back up what Wade is saying, they did an experiment looking at if people use enzymes, what happens to the liver? And they found that one group that use enzymes, their AST levels were even versus the other group where EST levels went up, which shows basically, hey, let's relieve the liver from some of the work it needs to do. The enzymes can do a lot of the work. And just to highlight the critical in those two of enzymes in the body, when you have a fever and your body's increasing temperature, at every degree Celsius, enzymatic activity is doubling.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  So your body's trying to get more enzymatic activity to heal.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  By raising its temperature.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Exactly. It is one of the key features.

• 24:35Gary Brecka?

  I've read a lot lately about, you know, parents being advised not, by pediatricians, not to treat the fever in their kids. Obviously, if it gets above 103 and you have severe fever, but not to just freak out every time your kid has a fever. And in fact,

• 24:52Gary Brecka?

  Purposely to let them ride through it, part of which is because the increase in enzymatic activity, but part of it is this is our natural, you know, defense mechanism. And there was a really good article written by a pediatrician in Los Angeles that he tells, you know, all of his female patients when they have children that not to not to try to break the fever.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Enzymes are a deep world, like pretty, some people, for example, and Wade's one of them, they don't digest fats that well. I know you're mostly a ketogenic guy. Some people don't have, they don't produce enough lipase. So for someone like that, using lipases will help them break down the fats into essential fatty acids. And because again, you don't want fats floating in your blood. You don't want proteins floating in your blood.

• 25:40Gary Brecka?

  Very true.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  And the enzymes help with that. And on the carbohydrate side, you will get, you can break down carbohydrates. I mean, if you look at a banana, why does it go from green to sweet? Because of the amylase that's breaking down the starch into sugar.

• 25:57Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  So again, athletes can use enzymes to get more glucose faster into their body, which again, when you're working out, you want.

• 26:06Gary Brecka?

  Makes a difference.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  You want glucose.

• 26:08Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, that makes a difference.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the families, you know, proteases break down protein, amylases break down carbohydrates, lipases break down fats, cellulases break down plant fiber.

• 26:17Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  And I believe, this is totally a theory, but people are genetically predetermined about different sites of dietary strategies because of maybe enzymatic favorability or disfavorability in their.

• 26:31Gary Brecka?

  I could see that.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  And so we would, and we tested that with each other. It was a, and you know, he was like fats, fats, fats. I'm like, every time I go high fat dude, I'm like, it's in my stool. I'm not, I don't feel good. And, you know, he didn't like the high carbohydrate rich diet, which seemed to work well for me.

• 26:47Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  With a low fat. And so we're like, well, how do we resolve this?

• 26:50Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  He was right.

• 26:52Gary Brecka?

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• 27:37Gary Brecka?

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• 28:21Gary Brecka?

  the majority of what we face as human beings is not pathology or disease per se, it's a lot of it is nutrient deficiencies. And one of the big ones is magnesium. And I know that you guys are, you know, have lots of ways to help people with magnesium deficiency. But I wonder if you might talk about the most immediate symptoms of magnesium deficiency and your experience with just that, that one simple light metal. And then I'd love to go down the road of other, you know, nutrient deficiencies and what kind of expression of disease or pathology, or what we would consider consequences of aging comes as a result of those.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, magnesium is really the best mineral to regulate your nervous system. So the first symptom is people are stressed out. And when you're stressed, you actually leach more magnesium. So there's a vicious cycle that occurs. When you have a lot of stress in your life, and especially if you're not consuming or supplementing with magnesium, you'll feel more and more stressed. And I'm going to rewind back to the origin, the origin story of magnesium breakthrough, because both Wade and I were burnt out. Wade was in Panama, I live in Panama. We were both, you know, working too much and we were fried. Wade came over one day and I have a neural feedback machine. I wired his brain and his brain had less electricity than my 80 year old friend.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  And I couldn't drink coffee anymore. I'd drink a cup of coffee and I would just feel horrendous. I'd feel frazzled. My cortisol response was out of control.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  So Charles Poliquin told, told us about, hey, if you combine different magnesiums, you'll feel better.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  And then.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  And I was taking magnesium at that time. Turns out that I don't have the best genetics for absorbing magnesium and I'm on a plant-based diet, which could be disruptive. And I was drinking caffeine.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Those are three elements that are also on top of my ability to absorb magnesium. And I'm going, I'm taking magnesium. Why is my brain not working? And it felt terrible. I was like, okay, I'm screwed up. I'm screwed up.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Brain fog.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And then inability to, like anger explosiveness because, and that's not my, yeah, well, I'm not, that's not my natural state. It's probably just like go off or whatever. And I was like, man, okay, dude, we gotta check this out. And we're big into neural feedback. And that was like, okay, here's the sign. How do we figure this out?

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I started combining four different magnesiums and really hyperloading. When I say hyperloading, I got up to five grams a day, which is a lot. But after five weeks, my baseline level was zen. It was a level of zen, like just normal, without meditating, without anything. Told Wade about it. He experienced the same thing. And then I'm like, well, how can we take this to another level? Let's try combining seven of the best magnesiums. Let's add some cofactors. And then we've built multiple variations or upgrades of the formula. And it's one of the best selling magnesiums in the world. But that was the origin story.

• 31:32Gary Brecka?

  What would you say it is primarily used for? Is it regularity? Sleep and stress? Cause I noticed when, when I take it, I'm very regular. I'm usually regular anyway, but like.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Well, the magnesium pulls water into your intestinal tract. I mean, you can use magnesium oxide as a flush.

• 31:51Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  You know, if you're fasting and you really want to clean out your bowels. You know, because it just sucks so much water and it's creates literally a flushing effect. One of the things that we try to do with magnesium breakthrough is to make sure that it's getting in the cells. So we've done thousands of in vitro experiments, measuring every single magnesium. Cause so there's two big things when you're looking at a magnesium product. How much elemental magnesiums in the capsule?

• 32:18Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  And the second thing is how much are you absorbing on a cellular level?

• 32:23Gary Brecka?

  How does it list that?

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Well, you can't, you cannot list the absorption.

• 32:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, right.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  But we just did our first animal trial. And just to give you some stats, um, cause the, the two most popular magnesiums is glycinate and citrate.

• 32:37Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  L-3-8 is pretty popular as well, but the, this is serum levels of magnesium. It was 350% higher than glycinate. It was 233% higher than citrate. This is comparing magnesium breakthrough versus citrate.

• 32:52Gary Brecka?

  Ah, okay.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  And glycinate. And by the way, we've also, it's not released yet, probably next year. Our chemist has created a new form of magnesium that crosses the blood brain barrier. It crushed L-3-8 in the animal trial.

• 33:06Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  So that'll be coming out next year. We're super excited about that.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  But you know, I think what separates us as a company is the sign, the level of scientific experiments that we do, we have a lab with 20 people full time. All they do every week is hundreds of experiments. We set up these battery of tests for each type of product that we do. And we'll do, you know, sometimes 18 months of in vitro experiments before we release a product.

• 33:33Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  I don't know of any other supplement company that's doing that. And we do that for every single product that we release.

• 33:39Gary Brecka?

  And, um, and how do you decide like what then the next product is? So if somebody's listening to this podcast and they're like, these are all great little bio hacks. Like, you know, I overdose on magnesium or I take a lot of magnesium. So I'm, I'm regular or I take these mass enzymes when I'm fasted and I get a better benefit out of fasting, maybe brighter cellular autophagy. But for someone that's just, you know, starting on their supplementation journey, what would, what would be your, your recommendation? Because even someone is, you know, like myself, I go out on, you know, on Google, you get paralysis of analysis, you're, yeah, resveratrol, CoQ10, NAD, and ashwagandha, St. John's Wort. And you could probably make an argument for any one of those at any given time. But where

• 34:23Gary Brecka?

  does the, where does the average person in the populace start?

• 34:26Speaker 02

  I think they need to start out by fixing their digestion first. I think if you look at all the statistics, is that what 100 million people that have digestive dysregulation? You've got 12% of the emergency hospital, you know, journeys now are, are gastrointestinal related illnesses. You've got massive use of medications, over the counter stuff. None of that stuff is, you know, the New England Journal of Medicine says, we're here to treat the symptoms of disease, not to cure them.

• 34:54Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's something that the general public hasn't grasped.

• 34:57Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  That the pill doesn't cure you. It just, it mitigates whatever the consequence, but may have, it sets up another standby and then get, and then you're on the circus of the next pill, the next pill, the next pill. So if you have, and when you're talking digestion is getting the right diet that's right for you, based on your genetics, do a basic genetic test, see what you need, identifying what elements to optimize your gut, reduce much of the toxins and things like that, you know, you know, all about this, you've been.

• 35:24Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Well, when you say what elements to detoxify or repair the gut, like what do you, what kind of things are you talking about? Because we know that the gut only has a single cell layer separating our inside environment from our outside environment. We were talking before the podcast about.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Get into that.

• 35:39Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, about biofilm, which I think if you said that to most people, they'd probably think of it as a negative.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Well, biofilm in the gut, basically you have probiotics or bacteria that have colonized. So they've literally created environments that they can live in. Now, depending on which strains are in your biofilm, it's going to be either good or bad.

• 36:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  You can have, you know, bad bacteria that have colonized and you're creating havoc. Now, one thing that's interesting about bacteria in general is they have a 48 hour lifespan.

• 36:13Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  And I think one of the underrated benefits of, let's say, a three day fast is you are drying out and killing a lot of the bacteria in your gut, which, which creates a powerful opportunity to re-colonize when you start eating.

• 36:31Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  So think about it.

• 36:33Gary Brecka?

  Eat the right things, like, right, like kimchi, sauerkraut.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  The right strains.

• 36:37Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  So the PhD that runs our lab, her PhD is in biofilm and probiotics. So we, we've done thousands of experiments, not just on the things that we sell, but other products. We measure things like survivability. So we do seven different experiments on every strain. We, we test which, which bad bacteria can it kill? So for example, our probiotics breakthrough product, it'll kill E. coli. So if you have food poisoning, it's undefeated. We, we don't know of a single person that's had food poisoning that probiotics breakthrough did not solve it in less than 60 minutes.

• 37:13Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 37:14Speaker 01

  And we know it because it kills E. coli a lot. We see that.

• 37:16Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Another big problem with probiotic products is a lot of strains will kill each other. So if you're not doing the experiments, like if the formulators are not testing, hey, these

• 37:27Gary Brecka?

  Individuals.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, these are supportive strains.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, or the bifidol killing the L. planterum and things like that. You could create a formula, it's just a mishmash of maybes in a bottle.

• 37:36Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  So that's another issue.

• 37:37Gary Brecka?

  Mishmash.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  What do they, what do they eat? That's another element, right? Like what prebiotics that feed some bacterias, which strains? So what is the prebiotic that's with that probiotic? And how that bacteria is going to survive on it? Because it works really well with this bacteria strain, not this bacteria strain, et cetera.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Well, the, what is leaky gut? Leaky gut is basically holes in your, the junction of your intestinal lining and food particles are getting into your bloodstream. And again, going back to, we don't want proteins and we don't want fats floating around. So the, the solution is you need to use a probiotic blend that seals, that reseals your gut. And the way you can measure that in terms of your biomarker is called zonulin.

• 38:19Gary Brecka?

  Zonulin.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you can measure zonulin levels. If they're really high, you almost certainly have some level of leaky gut. We had Dr. Gus Vickery, we sent him some microbiome breakthrough. He tested on 11 patients. There was over a 90% reduction with all his patients that had high zonulin.

• 38:36Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  And we know it in the lab.

• 38:38Gary Brecka?

  What are some of the byproducts of high zonulin? What are some of the downsides of it?

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Well, again, systemic inflammation, that's, that's the big one.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  Brain fog.

• 38:47Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Right?

• 38:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, all the usual.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, crusty eyes, bad breath, all those elements that, you know, show up. These are always symptomatic of deeper issues that's going on inside of the body.

• 38:58Gary Brecka?

  Mm hmm. So what happens in somebody's body that, um, let's say that you are deficient in magnesium, but you're also deficient in enzymatic production because enzymes are something that we produce, right? On our own. And then those enzymes have like a lock and key mechanism that they use to, to fit to certain nutrients and help break them, help break them down. So like in your case, when you switched from being a plant eater to at some point being a meat eater, making that switch overnight or in too dramatic of a faction could have been very detrimental.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went the other way. I went from a total meat eater to a plant guy. And, and there was two method reasons for that is I wanted to test in the real world.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Some generalized assumptions and going back to the proteolytic enzyme aspect. If you look at most of the research, it's one gram per pound of body. Right, right. Okay, I always ask and I would ask the question, we would ask the question. Well, how much of that was actually converted into the amino acids that was used by my body? Nobody knows. So yes, maybe I'm 200 pounds, I put 200 grams in. And the assumption is it's a 200 gram conversion of amino acids. You need protein, you need the amino acids that are broken in there. There's a process of breaking that down. You need enzymes, hydrochloric acid and proteolytic probiotics, which may or may not be present, especially if you've done antibiotics, you're getting older, you're not hydrated properly, you're eating a high process cooked diet.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  All of those things are disruptive because you need more enzymes to offset from your manufacturing. So, you know, if I go look back to real world, I was eating 250 grams of protein to support myself at around 185 pounds and competition. And I wasn't, the other element here is I'm not using anabolic or TRT or any hormonal aspect. So I'm testing that in the raw. I'm not being supported by protein synthesis. We introduced the whole concept of proteolytic enzymes. We developed that product. Four years later, I went to the world championships again. I was in better shape, better condition, felt better, and I was eating 85 grams on a raw food, plant-based diet. Wow.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  So it wasn't so much that the difference was I was able to convert that 85 grams into enough amino acids to support my training. And I think that's where a lot of the variances comes with different dietary strategies. Someone says that you need point five and another says point eight and another says one point. I think it's what they're not identifying is, well, how well do you actually convert that? Very much like your methylation story. It's the same thing as, well, how well do you convert fats? How well do you convert carbohydrates? How well do you convert proteins? And that's directly correlated to either your natural enzymatic production or your exogenous supplementation of those enzymes. And so we said, hey, we can eliminate all of this.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  We can be successful in two diametrically opposed diets using the same strategy to optimize. Yeah, for a change. Yeah. So that's how we, that's how we kind of hack that.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we need to change the story from protein to amino acids. I know you're a fan of amino acids. I mean, that's really what we want to get into our bloodstream. It's not protein, it's amino acids, and that's where I take the proteolytic enzyme.

• 42:15Gary Brecka?

  And we talked about this yesterday too on Rogan. I think that a lot of people still believe that we can target direct proteins. So I always say, you know, we can't, we don't need our nails to grow our nails and we don't need our hair to grow our hair. But a lot of people think that we can just eat collagen and it'll show up as collagen in our skin and target directing it so that if I eat a bite of collagen, it doesn't just show up as collagen in our skin. It's going to show up as amino acids, which may or may not show up as collagen, right? I mean, it's going to go build collagen, elastin, fibrin, natural killer cells, muscle, whatever you're going to build from the amino acids. I am, what it sounds like with you guys, a much bigger fan of, you know, full spectrum amino acids

• 42:57Gary Brecka?

  or all nine of the essential amino acids than I am of just overdosing with protein.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would say like one of our general philosophies when it comes to supplementation, back to your original question of, you know, what should people take? In a perfect world, you're giving your body the precursors, the building blocks that it needs, along with the cofactors, and then your body's just going to do the work.

• 43:20Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you give your body all the amino acids, you're methylating well, which is obviously key, then your body can make all the proteins that it needs to stay healthy, to stay optimized. So even when we build things like magnesium breakthrough, it's not just magnesiums. We're using humic and fulvic because we know, we've done the experiments, it drives more minerals in the cells.

• 43:45Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, wow.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  So cofactors, everybody's heard, anybody's look at supplements has heard of cofactors. People are underrating how big and impactful cofactors are. And we, I know that because we

• 43:59Gary Brecka?

  What are some cofactors, common cofactors that people might be aware of?

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Well, it always depends on what we're talking about.

• 44:04Gary Brecka?

  Magnesium's a big one.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:05Gary Brecka?

  Magnesium. It's over 300. It's huge. Enzymatic reactions.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  300 to 600, right? And, you know, they help with so many different things. And back to, okay, I'm a consumer, I don't know what to buy, I'm overwhelmed. I think magnesium is a top three, top five supplement because

• 44:23Speaker 01

  If you're improving your sleep, everything in your life's going to get better. Almost every single biomarker is going to improve. I've been a sleep diva for over a decade. Spent over $45,000 on custom-made mattress, Faraday cage, 8Sleep machine.

• 44:38Gary Brecka?

  I have Faraday, have an 8Sleep, I have the whoop.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  NanoV, do you know the NanoV?

• 44:45Gary Brecka?

  Is that the one you breathe in?

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:47Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I just saw that at a conference this weekend.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Protein folding, yeah, it's great.

• 44:50Gary Brecka?

  It does.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  If you go 45 minutes to an hour, you definitely notice a distinct difference in your recovery.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  It shifts your nervous system into parasympathetic.

• 44:59Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 44:59Speaker 01

  So I'll breathe it in while I'm sleeping.

• 45:01Gary Brecka?

  What exactly is it?

• 45:04Speaker 01

  We don't know the secret sauce.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Well, basically, it's generating what's a concept called easy water, which is there's four stages of water, a solid, liquid, gas, and then a crystal element. And by putting specific wave frequencies of light, you can kind of add this. So for example, when you look at this glass, if you look closely at the edge of that glass, it starts to curve up. And there was a, what was the doctor, what's his name that kind of broke that research down? Pollock, yes.

• 45:40Gary Brecka?

  What about how?

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Dr. Pollock sells gels in the engines of light. And he actually proved this, this tiny spectrum of water in this unique state, which he called easy water, had an incredible array of regenerative aspects to the body because it increased protein folding and your cells do this. And so by, the concept between that NanoV machine is that if we can put that into our system, then we'll be able to excel, we'll be able to put more of this easy water into our respiratory system and that's going to trigger this increased protein folding. They've did a lot of research on it. And I was like, okay, just let me buy one and I'll try it. And I really like it. But for me, you know, in a, you know, a hard training environment,

• 46:25Speaker 02

  I really notice a distinct dent of difference at 45 to 60 minutes if I'm on that. And I use, I use the nozzle, you know, and I got it on. I'm making sure I'm getting it in.

• 46:36Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, the exercise with oxygen therapy. I do that with my parents.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  But we got to nerd out on E Watt with Mr. Nudes. We've, we've built a next, we've built a next generation E Watt.

• 46:45Gary Brecka?

  Oh, wow.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Talk about after the show. But back to protein folding for a quick second. That is one of the drivers of aging is your body's ability to fold proteins gets weaker and weaker. If you've never read the nine drivers of aging, it's a, it's a great paper. Outlines kind of, you know, the nine main drivers and that's one of them. And NanoV could help. But again, you know, how does your body fold proteins? It sequences a set of amino acids. That's the first phase. And then it, then it basically folds it. And then your body has a protein it can use for all kinds of things. So if you're not folding proteins, you're going to start degrading. So NanoV can help with that.

• 47:28Gary Brecka?

  So NanoV helps with that, but also the enzymes help with that.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, correct.

• 47:32Gary Brecka?

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• 48:15Gary Brecka?

  and use the code ULTIMATE to save on magnesium breakthrough. Trust me, your body will thank you. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. Getting back to where, um, you know, a beginner would just start because again, you can really get paralysis of analysis.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Well, I'm going to use my parents because my parents, my parents are kind of, you know, they're just good examples and the biggest thing, and you know, for a long time, they didn't take any of our supplements, you know, they're like, these are pills.

• 48:42Gary Brecka?

  Sounds like my parents.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  What is this?

• 48:43Gary Brecka?

  Well, when they raise you, they're like, they know the.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  What do these kids know?

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. But the magnesium in our sleep product has changed their life. My father doesn't sleep well naturally. Again, genetic thing, which I think I inherited. And he, it's just been transformative for him and they love the sleep products. They use the magnesium every night. My dad uses the melatonin breakthroughs, a new product coming out. And then the, my mom uses sleep breakthrough and she loves it.

• 49:11Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  So to me, that's like the ultimate testimonial, having my parents.

• 49:15Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, they're great testimonials, but I'm saying like the, the average person that wants to, um, you know, start a supplement routine, but doesn't know really, uh, you know, where to get off the ground, um, you know, cause if you walk into GNC or God forbid, get on Google, you're, you're done.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  You're getting paralysis. I think really most people should start with a genetic test and I think they should spend the money to get a qualified person that can interpret that results for them and then identify where you're going to get the most bang for your buck. Yep, you're going to spend a little bit more on the front end.

• 49:48Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Right? But now instead of randomly shotgunning and doing like we have, who wants to do 40 years of experimentation? There's a tremendous amount of fails in that and we spent our tremendous amounts of money, time, effort, energy, way outside the range. This is our passion. So I think if they go down that route and the key element is making sure someone can interpret that results, provide it in a language where they can go, hey, definable, easy, integratable, actionable steps that you do on a daily ritualistic basis. So start with something small that you can do regularly. And then, as I say, I used to do this with my clients. I'm like, don't worry about all the bad things that you're doing.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Just keep adding good stuff and eventually the bad things will fall away. And, and it's just a slowly as it goes process. But that key identifying, we didn't have that ability to identify what your genetic weaknesses. What are your, what are the factors that are going to?

• 50:46Gary Brecka?

  Or what you should be supplementing with.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Right. Like, cause my mom and my dad are completely different.

• 50:50Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  And, and I'm a hybrid, you know, it's a good hybrid of those two. And then no one would know what happened to the mutation there. They're like, I don't know what happened to him.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  And I think genetic tests are awesome. And I think you also want to be adding biomarker tests.

• 51:05Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah. Blood tests.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  You, you need blood tests. I mean, there's your genetics, then there's your genetic expression and your environment, what you've been doing. And unless you're looking at your blood work, you're, you're guessing. So regular blood work is crucial. I just did mine and, you know, there was some interesting stuff that I'd never seen before that if I hadn't tested, I might not have identified.

• 51:24Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. You know, it is amazing how interconnected we are and how when certain blood biomarkers get off, we just assume that there's some kind of disease or path, pathologic process going on in the body. Like we saw all the time, you know, people that would have elevated, elevated levels of, let's say, C-reactive protein and a nonspecific marker of inflammation. And when you would just fix their methylation, even these nonspecific markers of inflammation would go down. Because we don't really know exactly what's causing it. Maybe it was protein folding. Maybe it was the poor level of enzymatic activity. But I just find that human beings function so much better when you give the body the raw material it needs to, to, to do its job.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Whole foods, regular protein servings for satiety.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Get the chemicals out, you know, like start there. Just if it's if it if you can't put it in the ground and plant it, or if it doesn't walk around on the ground.

• 52:23Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Probably not that good for you.

• 52:24Gary Brecka?

  And if it, you know, going back to Whole Foods for a minute, is there any evidence that we can retrain the gut to produce its own enzymes if, you know, if we supplement for a period of time, maybe even with the right probiotics, then we can retrain the gut to actually.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Well, the probiotics do produce enzymes. Like probiotics are these metabolite factories, right? They're they're consuming some of the food. Some of them will, you know, break down proteins. Some of them will eat carbs. And they're producing vitamins. They're producing neurotransmitters. We measured that in the lab. We have a, you know, half million dollar HPLC machine that will test. And I know you've been, you've been messaging a lot about this.

• 53:07Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  How many neurotransmitters, which neurotransmitters are each probiotic strain producing?

• 53:13Gary Brecka?

  That is so fascinating. Because you're talking about the gut, a gut-brain connection. You know, there's your driver of mood.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Serotonin, 95% of it's made in the gut.

• 53:23Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  So if you don't have enough amino acids, or you don't have those bacteria cultures, because you took some, you know, some antibiotics as a child, because you were sick a lot, and now you never recultivated that strain for the rest of your life. And, you know, now eating maybe protein-rich foods makes you nauseous and sick, and you don't feel very good. And you get gassy and bloating, you don't know why, and you're constantly depressed. Well, maybe something happened way back in the day that never got corrected. And that's the correction is relatively simple. That's why I said, always start with your gut.

• 53:52Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Fix your gut. It's that gut-brain connection is so deep, as well as that's the delivery system to to to bring the nutrients to the factory. This is enzymes are the trucks and and and active. Active units inside the body. They're the workers.

• 54:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  You know, enzymes and probiotics are really the only things that do work in the body. Everything else is material.

• 54:13Gary Brecka?

  And when you say fix your gut, I mean, I think a lot of people are like, I just don't know where to start doing that. I mean, I tell people, um, you know, getting on a whole food diet, eating, you know, lots of sauerkraut and, and fermented vegetables and kefirs and kimchi's can help a lot. I mean, I feel, I feel amazing when I just eat.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  I ferment foods every day.

• 54:31Gary Brecka?

  Oh, you do?

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:32Gary Brecka?

  It's like our grandmothers knew what the hell they were doing.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  All the longest living populations in the world use some sort of fermentation.

• 54:38Gary Brecka?

  Do they?

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. You look at, you know, you get into the Nattos in Asia. If you look at the original stuff, in Eastern Europe, where they were looking at these long living populations, a special kefir.

• 54:49Gary Brecka?

  I always thought my grandmother was out of her mind because like she had this like really crappy area of the basement with the like the creepy like old wood shelves and.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  You know, the memory of the mason jars. Yeah. I had to press the top. Hey, I still get that.

• 55:02Gary Brecka?

  Do you?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  We go down to the basement at my house when I go home at Christmas.

• 55:06Gary Brecka?

  Always press the jar and if it, you know, if it pops up, throw it in the trash. If it doesn't, bring it upstairs.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  That's right. Exactly. We still do.

• 55:12Gary Brecka?

  And like, you know, as creepy as it was, like now I want to get back to that, you know, the pickled onions and all of that.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Everybody in my community did that. There was four centenarians on my street.

• 55:24Gary Brecka?

  Where was this from?

• 55:26Speaker 02

  There's a little place called Hillsborough, New Brunswick.

• 55:28Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Which is up by Maine, for those who don't know, and I'm way out there. In fact, one of the ladies that followed that, she lives down the street from us. She's 106 years old, but we had four centenarians and everybody had their pickles. Everybody had their fermented.

• 55:43Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Everybody had a regular garden.

• 55:45Gary Brecka?

  Funny.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Everybody had, um, uh, you know, a farm where they got their chicken or their beef. They got their eggs from the guy next door. So that we're talking ultra pure, raw, local sourced foods that all these people are doing and doing these fermented foods.

• 56:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  And drinking water out of a well.

• 56:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Genius of simplicity, right?

• 56:07Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Yeah, very much so. So, um, uh, you know, I think the, there's a couple of really great books, uh, you know, by Dr. Perlmutter on, on the gut-brain connection. And, um, it's gut-brain access, gut-brain connection and grain brain, which I, I found really fascinating. And over the years in our clinic system. You know, we did not see, I think we had about 160,000, maybe 170,000 patients come through our clinic system before I exited. And I did not see, or even hear of, a single person that suffered from anxiety, or other mental health related issues that did not also have gut issues.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  I noticed the same thing in my own practice.

• 56:51Gary Brecka?

  25 year old female that would have severe anxiety, they all had gut dysbiosis, all of them. And some pretty severe. And it seemed to correlate with the severity of the, you know, the symptom, the severity of their gut.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  And, you know, I coached thousands of clients, and that was the same, same observations. Fix their gut, go on a basic elimination diet, get the chemicals out of their system. And, you know, then there's, then there's other elements that you can add. There's, you know, a whole array. That's where you get into, you know, mycelium and the various types of mushroom families that can also help augment for cognitive health. And really down that rabbit hole as well.

• 57:34Gary Brecka?

  And yeah, and we can go down that rabbit hole. But before we do, like, what's really exciting you right now? I mean, what's, what are you guys doing in the lab?

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Man, you've opened up my favorite rabbit.

• 57:46Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 57:49Gary Brecka?

  Cause I know what's exciting me. Well, right now, trying to figure out the pyramids. Like, that's nothing to do with my.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  My favorite thing in the world is always creating something that's the next level of whatever rabbit hole we're into. One of the things is, we have created, it's a 10 day experience. We haven't commercialized it yet. We've only had our executives come in. It is the pinnacle of brain optimization and.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  I'm going to say human transformation. It's beyond, it's evolutionary what's happening. And you do five days of prep and then you do five days of hardcore, hyper intensive neural feedback, different modalities. And we're pushing the boundaries of, you know, we're resetting the default mode network. We're feeding the body and the brain, everything that we can to increase BDNAP, to maximize the gains. We're almost using like a bodybuilder paradigm of maximization, where we're going to push the stimuli to the absolute limit, using different types of neural feedback. And then we're going to give the body and the brain, everything that it needs to maximize recovery.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  So that after five days, your executive functioning is another level. You're able to shift states on command. Your EQ is higher, your level of consciousness is higher, your resilience is higher. And you can measure that, like your cerebellum has about 80% of your neurons and you can train your cerebellum.

• 59:22Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  So if your cerebellum is stronger, and I did a ton of cerebellum training on the last time, on the last round, my resilience, my ability to handle stress, has just gone to the superhuman level. There's no other way to say it.

• 59:36Gary Brecka?

  And is this like an outpatient thing? Or is this a retreat destination?

• 59:39Speaker 01

  It's like five people max. We've been doing in Sedona and we have a whole team there. Like we're doing IVs before to prepare. We're doing hyperbarics. Like we're doing everything that we can to maximize our physiology, to handle the amount of training that we're doing.

• 59:56Gary Brecka?

  Wow, that's so, that's, that's actually really. Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  So then it carries, like you do that week and then you've got about two months adjusting to the new glasses. Because the whole lens of the world changes.

• 1:00:07Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  And then you got about another four months to what we call is full integration of your new capacities. And then, and then as soon as you're there, you're like. Matt, Matt, it's, it's time to go back. Yeah, it's like a reset.

• 1:00:21Gary Brecka?

  Dude, I actually want to do that, you know, it's, it's, it's fascinating to me. Sometimes, you know, I do these challenges and I'll take, I had tens of thousands of peoples on a three day water fasting challenge. And I would say for 95% of them, it was the first day they'd even fasted for 24 hours, much less for three days. And of all the challenges that I've had, I think that was the one that we got the most amount of feedback from people that were just like, it just blew their mind how would, how much of a change they can make in three days, simply by limiting food.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I think one of the biggest things people realize when they do a three day fast is, holy shit, how much time am I spending thinking about food, preparing food, eating food, cleaning the food?

• 1:01:06Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, because for no reason, you actually will just get up and like walk towards the refrigerator and you subconsciously, and you're like, I'm actually not hungry.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a subconscious driver that's just, you know, this goes into what I would say is the big debate that's going to talk about what's exciting. And that is AI or what I call non biological intelligence.

• 1:01:28Gary Brecka?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  So, so biology, we have, we have an operating system that's baiting on, you know, feeding, fighting, well, you could put in the extra F.

• 1:01:40Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  But it's replication, in other words, to push my genes through and trying.

• 1:01:43Gary Brecka?

  Hornicating.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, there you go. That, that's, that is the biological operation system which spring force all of our cognitive, subconscious, super conscious, all of those activities are built within that biological platform. And they call artificial intelligence. I'm going, well, I think there's some uses, but we're really talking about booting up an intelligence platform, which I call non biological intelligence. It doesn't have those requisites, so who knows how that goes. Maybe it's corrupted by biology, but we don't know.

• 1:02:11Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  So there are certainly some interesting elements about how bio, you know, that biological platform can leverage this non biological platform, because it strips out some of that, which you can come to some conclusions that maybe you can't because of those unconscious biases.

• 1:02:27Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  But then we don't know what maybe are some of the outcomes that that could have, because very seldom does the, does the, the stupid person control the smart person for a length of time, especially when it scales up exponentially. Us as a species are sure we're at the epitome of it. We're not stronger or faster than most of the animals, but we've become the apex predator because their ability to work in networks.

• 1:02:49Gary Brecka?

  And yeah, and to reason. And I think, yeah, it's both scary and fascinating at the same time. What did they, what did they say that AI has just reached? It's the where it's becoming self-aware? What do they call that? There's a term.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  Well, the singularity is when we merge with AI, which is coming.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Well, I think we've passed the event horizon.

• 1:03:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  You know, and so we'll see how that comes out. And one of the reasons why we're going back to why we're excited about this is because I think we're all facing a challenge. And why do you do this podcast? Why are we so passionate about this? Largely in part because we're trying to identify how to maintain, you know, biological function with a dramatically increase of the stressors inputs coming into the system, the amount of information you're getting, the amount of analysis paralysis that comes in from all these data points that our ancestors didn't have to deal with, the sheer load of electromagnetic pollution inside of the system.

• 1:03:49Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  The deluge of biochemicals coming in and all these things. Then you wrap that under political and social conceptualities. And what's happening, like in martial arts, the person who is fastest and, you know, get the most amount of moves can overwhelm that person's defense mechanisms and you're done. That's why a trained person versus an untrained person, it's over before it starts.

• 1:04:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  And so why, you know, we're so excited about this is we have found a way to at least, at the very least, delay, but maybe optimize that transition using a way to accelerate our capacity to handle the inputs and still maintain our physiological equilibrium.

• 1:04:31Gary Brecka?

  That's so awesome.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Because I think the biggest challenge, and I've talked to one of the smartest neuroscientists on the planet, and this is what he brought up as a concern, once we're fully merged. Is can your nervous system handle 10,000x more inputs?

• 1:04:46Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Even if you have a chip in your brain, how's your nervous system going to handle that?

• 1:04:52Gary Brecka?

  Exactly.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  That's, that's going to be a whole new level of stress. Yeah, we're gonna have to upgrade the hardware too.

• 1:04:57Gary Brecka?

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• 1:05:39Gary Brecka?

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• 1:06:25Gary Brecka?

  You have the fastest growing area of interest worldwide. You know, in terms of likes, shares, forwards, comments, interest, downloads. And, and, and part of what people are super excited about doing is going to destination.

• 1:06:43Gary Brecka?

  Places and having a wellness experience, not a massage and a facial and a foot rub, but

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  I'm very

• 1:06:49Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, transformative wellness experience. So I'm really curious, you know, what's entailed in this human optimizing 10, 10 day experience?

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. So first it's, it's five days of prepping the body. We'll do 750 milligrams of NAD, five days in a row, so that you get mitochondrial fusion on day four, day five. Cause most people have just done, okay, I'm gonna go do a bag of NAD.

• 1:07:18Gary Brecka?

  Like 400 milligrams or 500?

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Which you're gonna get an energy boost.

• 1:07:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  But when you do five days in a row,

• 1:07:24Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  There is a new baseline of mitochondrial power that's gonna last about 60 days.

• 1:07:32Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wait, wait, you just did it, right?

• 1:07:34Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I just got back.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:07:35Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I'm doing it when I get back to Panama. I think doing that two, three times a year by itself is a great addition. And I know you're a fan of NAD.

• 1:07:43Gary Brecka?

  Oh yeah, huge fan of NAD. So how many hours does that take?

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Well, it, yeah, depending on what your tolerance of, you know, allowing the NAD into it and what the quality of the NAD actually is, there's a lot of, you know, low grade elements in it. And so I've seen people that'll take them, you know, three, four hours to drop a bag of 750 into them. And then, you know, I've done it in as fast as 30 minutes, but

• 1:08:12Gary Brecka?

  Wow, 750 in 30?

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, but, but here's the thing, but here's the thing, you know, I remember the 30 minutes one felt easier than I was doing, like recently, like at this last one I had, I hadn't had one in a while. I was struggling on a couple of days. It took me like, you know, two and a half hours to get it in. And I was like, oh, okay. And what's the feeling? Get that nauseous? It doesn't feel good? It's like, oh, you're gonna go fight through it. So, but it's worth it because, you know, I came out of that, like someone just put me in a rocket ship and fired me up. We did, we're doing some other things, you know, some V cells and

• 1:08:47Gary Brecka?

  Oh, V cells?

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I love, I love the V cell thing. So we did that as well as some,

• 1:08:52Gary Brecka?

  Talk about those too.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  Some personal peptides that, you know, are, one of the things that we do prior to it is We preemptively, you know, screen the person, make sure they're okay psychologically and physiologically, they're ready to embrace this, they're, you know, maybe doing a little bit of prep beforehand, so they're, you know, on point coming in. And then, uh, we have an expert that does some of the analysis and says, okay, here's some of the benefits you could get from doing your drips that week. Plus, you know, we're doing some of the other tools like hyperbarics and all these other things.

• 1:09:22Gary Brecka?

  Love it.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  Just get the body prepped for, you know, we're going into, you know, inner space. When you go into the brain training. My wife's, uh, taking her PhD in neurofeedback.

• 1:09:33Gary Brecka?

  And that's the last five days, right?

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. My, my wife's taking it, it, we have been in this really interesting state. So my wife's taking, um, her PhD in neurofeedback and she's going to university to get this. Meanwhile, she's like, dude, they're, they're not teaching this stuff at the university level. Meanwhile, like, you know, she's seen some of the experiences that we're having as like full-on Kundalini body things and a massive gamma spike, you know?

• 1:10:00Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  We're off in another dimension, right? And now we've worked up to it, you know, Matt and I have been doing this for a number of years and gone through a variety of the different modalities that are out there. Cause there's this big umbrella of neurofeedback. And then under that is modalities.

• 1:10:16Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  And then there is application of expertise. So most of them are basically cookie cutter show, you show up, they have a technician and they run through it. They don't have the expertise to actually isolate the particular elements within your brain and to customize a training program specific to both your, uh, opportunities as well as maybe addressing some of the liabilities.

• 1:10:39Gary Brecka?

  They're training you for what? Are they training you to?

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  You started a brain scan. So the brain scan reveals basically if you have too much hyperactivity in beta brain waves, for example, anxiety is usually a hyperactivity in beta brain waves in the prefrontal cortex as an example, but there's a lot of different brain pathologies that show up in that brain scan. And then you build a program to basically start fixing, optimizing those issues. Cause you know, and then you'll see in the brain scans. I mean, I've, I've done 12 trainings.

• 1:11:16Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  I've done this 12 times. Yes. And my brain scans now are, you know, near perfect versus in the beginning, I had all kinds of issues.

• 1:11:26Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Either a hyperactive spots, flat spots. And those show up as your personality traits and they show up.

• 1:11:34Gary Brecka?

  Five intensive days, like there's, there's nothing else you'd know for those five.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  We're, we're all in a, we're all, we're all together in a house. We've got all of the therapies coming into the house. We've got a chef in the house. So.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  The supplement stack would take two tables.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is like.

• 1:11:53Gary Brecka?

  For five people, really?

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like going in an F1 race. You're, you're loading up and they got the pit crews and they got the elements and they got all of that.

• 1:12:01Gary Brecka?

  That's awesome.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  We have a world-class chef. He was on tour with Beyonce and Jay-Z. And of course the food is, you know, as, as, as great as it gets. But even the supplementation that we use is, we, we basically, when, when I started doing this, we were redlining and we were crashing and burning in different ways.

• 1:12:22Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Whether it was.

• 1:12:24Gary Brecka?

  You couldn't push yourself that hard.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, we couldn't. So I'm like, okay, well, let me start optimizing. You know, the nervous system was a big one. Okay. We need more, we need more fatty acids. We need ketones, you know, for example, adding 50 grams of ketone esters a day was a game changer. Now we're playing with ketone acids, the next level of ketones. So it's a laundry list of things. We're using certain things that really take BDNF to the, to the pinnacle. So that your brain is at, is as plastic and fertile as possible. And another highly underrated thing is resetting, resetting the default mode network. Because a lot of people are kind of stuck in certain perspectives and mental patterns.

• 1:13:04Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  When you really de, reset your default mode network, it's like, whoa, I'm looking at the world with fresh eyes.

• 1:13:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  And it can start making new decisions and start to see relationships and their life decisions and. In a fresh way and

• 1:13:20Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's amazing. You know, in my study of methylation, I've found, you know, when you look at certain genetic profiles, like comt, for example, people are either, they call them warriors or warriors, right? And it has to do with how fast, how quickly, or how slowly they break down this class of neurotransmitters called catecholamines, these fight or flight neurotransmitters. And as these neurotransmitters rise, you're feeling fear. You might even feel anxiousness, anxiety, you could even have rapid heart rate and pupillary dilation and paranoia. And, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with

• 1:14:01Gary Brecka?

  him versus you. He just has a much higher level of catecholamine. And I've, I find that, you know, people with that genetic profile, which my wife has.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  I have it too. I'm genetically a warrior.

• 1:14:13Gary Brecka?

  Or a warrior.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  I'm a warrior, but I don't worry. And that's, that's the key point, right?

• 1:14:17Gary Brecka?

  That's what I mean. This would be amazing.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, like, you know, that's where, you know, we have our genes, but then there is the expression of genes and then obviously we can wire our brains in certain ways. Just to go a little bit deeper, you know, if we look at the brain from a brainwave perspective, like right now, we're in a high beta brainwave state, which is great for focus and

• 1:14:39Gary Brecka?

  We're just alert and

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  We're alert, right? If you slow your brainwaves down, usually between like, say 12 to 18 hertz, they call that region like kind of SMR. It's like a flow state. So flow state, you're alert, but you're, you know, you're not as alert as say, or hyperactive as, you know, 20 hertz to 30.

• 1:15:00Gary Brecka?

  Calm, kind of.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Well, then you get into alpha, which is 8 to 12 hertz. So that's alpha. So now you're calm, but alert. Your heart, you know, if you're in gratitude and usually when people start meditating, that's the first stage in a lot of ways. Like you start calming your brain down. And you're feeling, you know, and some of the hacks for that is a few hacks. If you're meditating, one, if you can activate gratitude, experientially, like in your body, in your heart, your alpha brainwaves will go up. If you do forgiveness work, you actually do forgive, your alpha will tend to explode. If you focus on space, like outer space with your brain, your alpha will go up.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  If you visualize, your alpha crashes, which is interesting.

• 1:15:49Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  So when your eyes are open versus closed, if you close your eyes, your alpha should double automatically, without even doing anything. Then there's the Schumann frequency, which is like between like seven and eight hertz, which is interesting, it's kind of Earth's frequency. But then you get into theta, which is like my favorite place, four to seven hertz. You know, Dispenza has a great expression for that, which is your body's asleep, but your mind's awake. Time dissipates. You don't really sense time anymore.

• 1:16:20Gary Brecka?

  True.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  And you merge with the field of consciousness, if you get deep enough, where you're experiencing the field of consciousness. Then below that, you got delta. Now, delta, obviously, a lot of people have heard about delta for sleep, but you actually can train delta. And then you can even train infralow, which is slower than delta. You can train that too, which is a whole other story. But the Zen master frequencies, gamma, which is above 40 hertz. And, you know, when they, when they put electrodes on Zen masters that have been meditating for 25,000 hours, that's their baseline. They've, they've been able to train that, develop that, and function in that, and Wade can attest that.

• 1:17:03Gary Brecka?

  That's a hyper state of alertness, right?

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's, well, I'll let Wade.

• 1:17:08Gary Brecka?

  Almost like, not just even alertness, that's like an awareness beyond.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  It's beyond.

• 1:17:12Gary Brecka?

  It's like when those people are walking in, in, in completely dark rooms, and they'll walk around objects that they can't see, or, or they can say.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  God becomes experiential.

• 1:17:26Gary Brecka?

  Exactly. What's on the other side of the wall?

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  God becomes experiential. It's no longer a theory or a concept.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  So I've been studying Eastern philosophy for a long period of time and the various yogas and meditation techniques. There's eyes down, eyes up, et cetera. And the pattern I did is some people call it the microcosmic orgate where you're moving energy. So if you were to talk about from the brain frequencies to what you would experience, you know, theta is like a download into the system. Alpha is like a broadcast across this. Delta would be like, you know, Darth Vader powers, you know, calacnesis, all that sort of stuff. But gamma is an organizing principle. So it's, it's an ascending from the base up through the nervous system into that, which is experiential. It can become like a cobra hood. You might have visualizations around that. And then some of the

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  deities might appear up. But other than all the visual aspects, which would be relative to your social structure, your religious structure, what you studied, all that element, the sheer amount of energy going through the nervous system is extraordinary. So, you know, we could show you some pictures of literally the apparent nervous system isn't able to contain it. And the practice is, is that you want to hold that into the spine and take it through into the nervous system, which is what they are experiment, you know, experientially describing with the opening of the thousand petal lotus, which means that all of the energy that is generally being running out into the nervous system to run all of the earth, because we're electrical based beings.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  That inversion through polarity brings that energy up and through the spine and into the brain stem. And from that, now you have, for the first time ever, full power in your brain. And it's pulled in through the back of your head. So sometimes, you know, I've gone through the experience of resistance.

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  So when you don't quite have it, you'll start getting resistance here. You might feel a burning sensation because you're pulled through polarity, through focus here on an eyes up meditation. So we have ways of unlocking and removing those blockages through different technologies. Then you might get the crown of thorns where you're literally feeling resistance inside of your brain and then the electrical activity that you can measure on the EEG is incredible.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it explodes.

• 1:19:41Gary Brecka?

  To prove it.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  But that's all the wonderful little stuff.

• 1:19:46Gary Brecka?

  The experience is amazing. Yeah, but it's coming from somewhere. It's being generated, which I still find is so fascinating.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  Well, I think part of the problem.

• 1:19:56Gary Brecka?

  You have to be pulling from the quantum.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Well, here's the element. We've associated consciousness as being generated from the protoplasm. And that is a convenient separation from source energy.

• 1:20:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, but if you can't, even if you just, and I don't mean to interrupt you, but it just hit me like the laws of thermodynamics, right? It says that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So I cannot create this energy inside me to create this type of EEG reading. So I must be drawing upon something.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  Well, we're feeding, that's where the supplement comes in. We're feeding the body a lot of raw materials.

• 1:20:41Gary Brecka?

  Got this. I mean, where do I get the 10 day experience reset? It's gonna be the biggest seller on my podcast.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, we call it metamorphosis because there's no word, I think, that describes the transformation, the evolution. I'll give you my favorite testimonial. He's our vice president and he came in and he was ready to leave his girlfriend because she wanted kids and he didn't. He saw his child on day four and now his child's 18 months old.

• 1:21:12Gary Brecka?

  He saw the child?

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  On day four. And that was it. And then like complete transformation from, I think I need to leave her to this, I see the future and they've.

• 1:21:23Gary Brecka?

  And now he has it. And how does he equate the image of his child on day four to his real child?

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  I think it's, it isn't.

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I've had the exact, I've had the exact same experience before my son was born.

• 1:21:39Gary Brecka?

  We banged a left turn in this one. I mean, I see, we've got all the magnesium mallet, magnesium acetate in here.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Well, these are all, all of these things, I think, are, you know, kind of what you're talking about is what is the definition of the ultimate human? We called our process.

• 1:21:55Gary Brecka?

  I'm gonna ask you that question anyway, so why don't we answer it now?

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you are the ultimate human in the aspect that the fact that you exist means by whatever proclamation, the reality, there's non-existence or existence. So the fact that you exist means that you're worthy, you're valuable, and you're this dynamic organism moving through time, right? That's the protoplasmic experience, and then you can go beyond that. The process that we're engaging in is, is to optimize that protoplasm so that it can access the full range of the human experience. But there's a level beyond that. That's what metamorphosis is about, accessing that element that connects everything as one singularity

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  inside of the universe. And once you've stepped through that rocket launch, it felt like everything in life that I've been doing my whole life was leading me to that ultimate experience. And that's a gift, and I don't have to operate from a position of conjecture or ideology. I don't need validation from anybody. I don't need to go to a religion or a sermon or anything. Those are all wonderful and great, and I, and I, I'm not against or I'm certainly an advocate of practicing whatever practices you need to get there. But once you get to the, the final pinnacle, and it's like, all you want to do is share that with as many people as possible. And I experienced that in my health journey, and now I've experienced it in my metamorphosis journey, and I'm just grateful more than anything

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  else. Like gratitude is the number one thing. And then that's also. Also, you know, juxtaposition with empathy and compassion because I see people suffering needlessly all around the world constantly, I'm bombarded with it and you have to manage that in that, hey, I could help all these different people. I could transfer them these like, all they need to do is try it, but you know, you can't force yourself into people's thing. I believe in free will.

• 1:23:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, very true.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Love, love what you're doing. I mean, we during Kowie, we wrote a book called From Sick to Superhumans. We're on the same journey, uh, you're trying to get people from sick to what most people consider normal health, which in our opinion is you're just one step away from being sick to, you know, really biologically optimizing health. And then we're all, I think, striving for that impossible ideal of becoming a real superhuman.

• 1:24:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  And, you know, what we, how we, how would we define that? Well, maybe superhuman muscle mass or superhuman, you know, low, low body fast or superhuman biomarkers or superhuman mental performance. And, you know, we're, we're trying to do our best to kind of push all of these to the next level. And of course, you still have to operate as a human being, as a father, as a husband, as a business owner. So, you know, I think being superhuman in 2025 is okay, can I, can I be a good father? Can I be a good husband? Can I take care of my health? Can I improve all of that? Can I be a good CEO and feel good, you know, like not be freaked out and stressed out. And I think all the things that you're doing

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  that we're doing help people. I mean, look at Dana White.

• 1:25:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  You know, he talks about, he feels like he's 15, 20 years younger, can do stuff he just couldn't do.

• 1:25:17Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  And was struggling to do. So, I mean, I think that's the other underrated aspect of this whole game is you can extend your prime by decades.

• 1:25:27Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  Right? You could stay in the game. Like, why retire? I got a friend that's coming out with a book called Let's Retire Retirement. I love it, you know, and I'm such a believer in that, like, you know, look, look at longevity, what happens when people retire, when they don't have a purpose, they die.

• 1:25:43Gary Brecka?

  No.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  And I think the oxytocin, the dopamine, the purpose that you get from. Pursuing something that excites you, that serves the world, I think it really energizes the body, keeps us young. And you're doing all the health practices that you're advocating, that we, we offer is just transformative.

• 1:26:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I agree too. Guys, this is amazing. How does my audience find you? Where can they find out more about you? Where can they find out more about?

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  Optimizers. Good, good of optimizers. Try our magnesium, which by the way, we have a 365 day, no questions asked, money back guarantee.

• 1:26:20Gary Brecka?

  365 day.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. And our refund rate is 0.25%, which blows away the industry averages by several orders of magnitude. But try our magnesium breakthrough, try mass zymes, try sleep breakthrough. I think those three are incredible. A lot of people love our mushroom product, mushroom breakthrough. I use it every morning. It's been transformative.

• 1:26:44Gary Brecka?

  What do you put it in?

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  I put it in, in coffee. I love it with coffee. Some people like it cold, but you know, the cordyceps gives you a nice energy boost. You kind of get another brain boost from the lion's mane. The reishi kind of keeps you grounded. And we have chaga in there as well. And you can put it in with caffeine.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  You're getting essentially 1.2 pound, the equivalent of 1.2 pounds of mushrooms in a serving. Cause most of the mushroom blends, they don't have enough of the dose to get the effect that research might element. So we use, we use like 100 to one, 50 to one ratios to get those four delivered. And it's, it's, it's one of those things.

• 1:27:21Gary Brecka?

  I think I have that in my cabinet and I haven't tried it. So the mushroom.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  Devils in the dose.

• 1:27:26Gary Brecka?

  Devils in the dose. Okay. But you can mix it with, with coffee.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Water, whatever. You, I like, you can make it, you can make it like warm water. If you just like a straight hot chocolate or you can mix it with coffee or you can mix it into a protein drink.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  It's already extracted.

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah. You're doing a protein drink.

• 1:27:42Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Cause I'm, I'm actually trying to limit my, you know, my coffee now. I don't know if coffee has much of an effect on me anymore. It's more of a habit, you know? But, but maybe I'll replace it with the, with the mushroom in the morning. And I'll take a little bit of, I'll take a little bit of raw, like goat milk.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Gary Brecka?

  Put it in there too. It's just delicious.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  It's delicious.

• 1:28:04Gary Brecka?

  All right.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  Super excited. Our next big products would be electrolytes, electrolyte breakthrough coming out this fall. We've been working on it for a while. It's the next level.

• 1:28:13Gary Brecka?

  So tell me you're gonna have more than just magnesium, sodium, and potassium?

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  I think it's 74 minerals.

• 1:28:19Gary Brecka?

  Okay, good. See, this is what I've been.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  And optimized with the right ratios of sodium to potassium. Everybody's sleeping on potassium. Potassium is the molecule of hydration.

• 1:28:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, potassium is a molecule of hydration, but trace minerals are the molecules of efficacy.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  We've been down that for 25. We've been on that one for a long, long time. Cause they're like, I call them like the radio stations on the dial of life. Here's 101 at this metal. Here's 100. This is country. This is rock. This is R and B. This is rap music. You know, this is symphony and those are free. That's the frequency element. And if you don't have all those minerals, you don't have the full band. You don't have the full dials on the stereo.

• 1:29:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, because you know, I find that especially in marketing, you know, a lot of products want to use the, excuse me, the one that the consumer is going to recognize walking on the shelf. So sodium, magnesium, potassium. You know, like, okay, as long as I have those, I've got a really good electrolyte supplement. But you know, the, the truth is that, you know, we need all, all of those, the boring ones, you know, boron, magnesium, alibum, silica, you know, iron. They're all cofactors. Back to that big chart that I was saying, that a lot of times we are cofactor deficient. So I'm, I'm super happy to hear that. What else you got coming?

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  We have, we've been working.

• 1:29:43Gary Brecka?

  That I don't have that you guys are gonna order for me.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Some picks too. Amazing. We'll see what the final name is. Right now, just call it collagen breakthrough. But back to what you were saying earlier around, you know, you can consume collagen and there's some good data coming out on that. But with this product, we added every single cofactor involved in collagen and elastin production. And we just did a trial with two men and two women. And one of the women, it looked like she had under eye surgery. It's, it's mind blowing. So that, so that product's coming out. Probably late this year, early next year. And then yeah, we have a deep pipeline of products. This, this guy that's on the couch here, Mr. New, he's, he's an idea machine. He's built a next gen E-Watt, which we can talk about off camera.

• 1:30:28Gary Brecka?

  Really? Yeah. I want to hear about that one off camera.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, like there's so many exciting things coming and we're actually building, probably one of the coolest things we're building actively right, right now is the ultimate sound chair. Have you ever tried a sound chair?

• 1:30:43Gary Brecka?

  I have. I've tried a Vemi acoustic chair. So like infrared, near infrared and sound.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  Okay. So we're, we're looking.

• 1:30:50Gary Brecka?

  Or a shift wave. I've tried that too.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we're looking to just create again, the next dimension, next level of it, and then use it in metamorphosis. So now when you're getting that you're the feedback from your brain, we want it to be like a full body sonic orgasm. And you know, that's the goal.

• 1:31:08Gary Brecka?

  Wow. And is it just sound or is it other?

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Well, it'll be probably just sound, at least a V1. I'm, I'm considering also adding a hood. So now we can, you know, basically hijack the visual system along with sound. So we'll see. But yeah, we want to use it in conjunction with neural feedback.

• 1:31:27Gary Brecka?

  Got to test it, find out. This is awesome, guys. Well, so I have a special group I call my VIP group. This is the group that I just pour myself into. So, and I always let them know who's coming on the podcast before they get here and then they get to submit some questions. So we're going to go into this private room now with my VIPs and, and they've got some questions for you guys because they knew that you were coming on. For the rest of you guys, if you're interested in becoming a VIP, just go over to theultimatehuman.com/vip. You can sign up to be one of my ultimate human VIPs. It's $97 a month. Give you your money back if you don't get tremendous value out of that. This is where we do live Q and

• 1:32:08Gary Brecka?

  As, private podcasts. I have a 10 month course in there that I was charging $1,700 for that I just gave to my VIPs for free, plus all kinds of discounts. And I will convince these guys to give me early access to some of these great products that they're working on. So I can let you guys try them first. So if you're interested in becoming a VIP, just head over to theultimatehuman.com/vip. And otherwise, that's just science.