RZA Talks Wu-Tang, Creation, New Film

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• 3:03Speaker 04

  Just had some jalapeno fucking Lay's potato chips.

• 3:07Speaker 05

  You know what? I just tried the jalapeno cheddar chex mix.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 3:41Adam Friedland?

  Hello and welcome to The Adam Friedland Show. I'm host Adam Friedland. You like it?

• 3:46Speaker 05

  I like that.

• 3:47Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, okay. My guest this week is the legendary rapper and producer, The RZA. You may know him as a founding member of the Wu-Tang Clan, but that's a side of him I only learned about quite recently. See, me and The RZA have a shared interest. An obsession, some might say. And that is Kung Fu. My journey began at the Wu Dong Mountain Kung Fu Academy, where I was dropped off as an 11-year-old baby. I studied for years under Master Wang Shiming in the disciplines of sword, fist, and acupuncture. Pressure, actually, pff. Honing what he called a Tianfu,

• 4:32Adam Friedland?

  or a natural gift for the art form. I was the best. I was the best, and I knew it. One day during training, Master Shenji Jing called me into his office. He told me that as his most prodigious student, I would be sent to represent the Wu Dong in a battle against our natural rival, Xiaolin. Of course, I accepted the opportunity to show my discipline superiority, so I hopped on a bus to Zhengzhou. And I entered the temple, and ready to display my mastery, I was soon introduced to my opponent from the Xiaolin Temple, an American man named Robert. He was strong, intimidating, with an eerie calm about him.

• 5:17Adam Friedland?

  We bowed, quickly began our shanchu. I attempted a blow with my right hand. He perfectly blocked it. I tried for a low leg kick. Robert jumped all over it, almost bored with my attempt. And after many more failed strikes, it was clear, he had had enough. He was done playing with his food, so with one swift strike, he chopped my head off.

• 5:48Adam Friedland?

  And I died. I later found out that Robert was a celebrity known as the RZA from a very Harold and Kumar 3D Christmas. Now, is that story true? 100%. And let the moral be this: Don't try to steal the chicken just to end up losing the rice before they hatch. My guest's new film, "One Spoon of Chocolate", is in theaters everywhere, so go see it before it's gone. Please enjoy my conversation with the RZA, Bobby Digital. Bobby Digital, the scientist. That was great. Best friend, best episode, best episode!

• 6:31Speaker 04

  I got one last question. Like, what is this for?

• 6:36Speaker 04

  There's nothing in it.

• 6:37Adam Friedland?

  There's nothing in it. Go to the store.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  Pick Coca-Cola or something in it.

• 6:41Adam Friedland?

  Water.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  No, it's not. Water, then you go to vodka.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  They're doing, yeah. Well, I think the, I don't really, I don't got, I don't, I don't be around too many people, bro.

• 6:53Adam Friedland?

  I know.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  So I can't, I can't, I can't measure.

• 6:56Adam Friedland?

  I'm at this stage in, uh, middle-aged adulthood where I'm like, I, I really just, I wanna go to work.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Are you married or you, or you?

• 7:04Adam Friedland?

  Engaged.

• 7:05Speaker 04

  Engaged? How many, I mean, you wanna talk about that on camera or no?

• 7:08Adam Friedland?

  We don't have to.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  I don't know, I don't, I like to.

• 7:10Adam Friedland?

  No, I like to create an illusion that I, I'm like Bad Bunny, I could be straight, gay, I don't. No, no, no. I like, I, no, yeah, no, I've mentioned it before, yeah, we're, we're engaged, we've been together five years.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Oh, nice, wait.

• 7:25Adam Friedland?

  She's awesome.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  I met you a long woman. I'm interviewing this guy. How many, how long for the engagement?

• 7:30Adam Friedland?

  The engagement, uh, like a year.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 7:33Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 7:33Speaker 04

  You're doing, you're doing the right path, bro.

• 7:35Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Cause after, first of all, after two years of, of dating.

• 7:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Three years of dating.

• 7:41Adam Friedland?

  It's really just whenever they want, you know?

• 7:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, but, but then to say, to go into engagement, that means that you feeling, shit is good, bro.

• 7:48Adam Friedland?

  I wanted to get, I wanna get married to her immediately, but I'm just one of those kinda guys. I was just waiting, it was, it was embarrassing, so I didn't tell her, and I was waiting for her to be like, "You have to get engaged to me."

• 7:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 7:58Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, I bricked the engagement, though.

• 8:00Speaker 04

  You broke it?

• 8:01Adam Friedland?

  I bricked it, it was like, it was a disaster. I like went, I went to Mexico City and then I, she was, we were visiting a friend of hers and I was like, "Can you make sure we're at like a party?"

• 8:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 8:12Adam Friedland?

  Like, and, uh, when the countdown happens, I'll just give her the ring. And then, just like, we literally just, have you seen that movie After Hours, the Scorsese movie? It's the one where the guy goes out and he's just like, everything's a disaster after disaster.

• 8:27Speaker 04

  I didn't watch that one, but go ahead.

• 8:29Adam Friedland?

  But like, uh, yeah, we like, we left somewhere, we got to another place, it was complete, no one was there. I was like, and then I told her friend, I was like, can you find a party? We get to the party. There's like, like six people around a coffee table in the living room. I'm like, I'm not getting engaged in front of these freaks. And they were like, yo dude, I loved the last episode. I'm like, I'm definitely not getting engaged.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Who fucking watched my last episode?

• 8:53Adam Friedland?

  We tried to go, we tried to go like six different places and like by 3am, we finally found this place, it was like lit, it was like, looked great. And she was cold. You know how like women, you know how they're always... Yeah, so she was wearing my jacket and then I get patted down, I go in and I turn around, I'm like, oh shit. And then she's getting patted down, they're like, what's this box? Yeah, then they took it out. But I was like being such a bitch all night. It would have been a romantic thing if that happened, but I was like, all night, she was like, what, why, what, why do you have such a bad attitude to New Year's? I'm like, I'm fine. I'm having a great night.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  I'm just trying to find a fucking place to propose.

• 9:33Adam Friedland?

  And then she was like, oh, well, it didn't work out tonight. Maybe another time? And it was like, it was so nice, but also I was like, might like, felt so emasculating. I was like, yeah, I'll try again another time. Then the next day.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  He says, hey baby, let's do it. You said something about women always being cold. How many women we have here?

• 9:51Adam Friedland?

  Zero. Yeah. Let's just say, let's tell it like it is.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 9:56Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 9:59Adam Friedland?

  They're always cold.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  The way the light was hitting this dude right here, I thought we had... No, because his hair is here. From this angle, from this angle.

• 10:08Adam Friedland?

  This is the alpha pack leader of the crew, this guy.

• 10:12Adam Friedland?

  Don't get it twisted.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  I was like, how many women we got? I said, none. I was like, wait a minute. Okay, take these off. I don't, I don't need these.

• 10:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  But anyway.

• 10:20Adam Friedland?

  But in prison, you'd be the belle of the ball, man. Don't forget that.

• 10:23Speaker 04

  Well, the reason why I was asking is that... Can your girl, and anybody can answer this.

• 10:30Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  Can they fucking stay in a hotter shower than you?

• 10:34Adam Friedland?

  They shower so hot.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Exact, what's the science of that, bro?

• 10:38Adam Friedland?

  Women love a hot shower.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  What the fuck is that?

• 10:41Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, and it's insane.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  And burn your whole shit.

• 10:44Adam Friedland?

  It is, it is like.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  So you down with that?

• 10:47Adam Friedland?

  It is female.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  I get more witnesses. Okay, alright.

• 10:50Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, that's right, tell it like it is and that there's no one here that could stop us.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  That shit, alright.

• 10:57Adam Friedland?

  And we'll see how they like that.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Just wanna make sure I wasn't alone in that shit.

• 11:01Adam Friedland?

  Oh my god, don't get me started, brother. You know how they tell the most, the best stories?

• 11:09Adam Friedland?

  That are really funny and interesting? You know when they, how they tell their girls those stories? That they just told you and you're like, what the fuck is this? And then their girl's like, huh? What? And you're like, what are you, what are you hearing?

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Hey, what's the punchline?

• 11:26Adam Friedland?

  And then they tell a gay guy and the gay guy's doing that, but I know the gay guy doesn't think it's a good story. The gay guy is, he's a double agent. He should tell her it's a bad story.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  Well, you know what though? I gotta speak up for my wife a little bit.

• 11:38Adam Friedland?

  She's, we.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  No, no, bro, I didn't realize how funny she was, bro.

• 11:42Adam Friedland?

  They are funny, though.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Bro, she, she was hitting me, she been stabbing me with jokes for 10 years I didn't get. But she was hitting me with them, I, you know.

• 11:52Adam Friedland?

  Like what style?

• 11:53Speaker 04

  Bro.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  Like.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  I wanna come up. Alright, and if it comes up, I'll be like, ask my wife.

• 12:01Adam Friedland?

  My friend has a list of just things that his wife says so he doesn't snap.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's good, bro.

• 12:08Adam Friedland?

  She asked him if a trillion is 3 million, how funny is that?

• 12:13Adam Friedland?

  And then she said, who, she asked, who won the war? When he was talking about World War II, she's like, who won? What are they doing?

• 12:21Speaker 04

  That's funny, though.

• 12:22Adam Friedland?

  And don't get me started, they, they use Apple Maps?

• 12:26Adam Friedland?

  It's insane, the way they do.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  Apple Maps?

• 12:29Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, the one, because it's on the phone and you're like, get Google, you're gonna fucking drive off a cliff. Apple Maps never works. It's psycho. I don't understand how they ever figured out the maps. You use Google Maps like a man, or Waze like a Zionist Mossad.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  Would you believe I don't drive, bro?

• 12:48Adam Friedland?

  You don't drive at all?

• 12:48Speaker 04

  Bro, I haven't drove since 2011, bro.

• 12:51Adam Friedland?

  Really? Do you have a driver?

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:52Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Somebody else stressed, you know what I mean?

• 12:56Adam Friedland?

  Do you have a window that you like, like?

• 12:59Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 13:00Adam Friedland?

  I don't want to talk to you.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  I mean, depending on what kind of car, but I got an Escalade, he drives an Escalade, or whatever, but I don't drive, I just gave up, bro.

• 13:07Adam Friedland?

  You're done with it? I'm a terrible driver, too.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  You should give up, bro.

• 13:10Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. And also, my girlfriend is way better than me and it is emasculating, too. Yeah, I will, I know how I'm gonna die one day, actually. Because I do the sneezing thing, where I can't sneeze once, I sneeze like at least three times in a row.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 13:24Adam Friedland?

  And I'm gonna be on a freeway, and it's just, yeah.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Well, you get a lot of blessings, then.

• 13:30Adam Friedland?

  No, no.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  I mean, if you sneeze, bless you, bless you, bless.

• 13:33Adam Friedland?

  Not once. I'm one of the least respected, so you have a lot of nicknames, I only have one. You're like, you have like, you know, the scientist, Bobby Digital, Robert Fitzgerald.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Diggs, yeah.

• 13:46Adam Friedland?

  You're also, yeah, you're named after RFK?

• 13:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, no, no, wait.

• 13:51Adam Friedland?

  Fitzgerald, John Fitzgerald.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, John and Robert together.

• 13:54Adam Friedland?

  Your parents loved them.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:56Adam Friedland?

  They were those kind of baby boomers.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:57Adam Friedland?

  They were like, it was Camelot, it was phenomenal.

• 14:00Speaker 04

  It was, well, somebody cared.

• 14:02Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  It felt like somebody cared in those days, because it was, you know, it's like, nobody cared.

• 14:06Adam Friedland?

  You ever meet the son?

• 14:08Speaker 04

  No, never met.

• 14:08Adam Friedland?

  Junior?

• 14:09Speaker 04

  Nah.

• 14:10Adam Friedland?

  He's got some opinions.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, some other guy with the...

• 14:14Adam Friedland?

  Robert Junior.

• 14:14Speaker 04

  He got a deep voice, his voice is deep, bro. What the fuck happened to his voice?

• 14:18Adam Friedland?

  No, he's got a voice like, he's got like, something stuck in it.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, what happened?

• 14:23Speaker 04

  What's that?

• 14:24Adam Friedland?

  Oh.

• 14:26Adam Friedland?

  Just kidding. Well, he deserves it for all the, you know, you know, Mr. Trump. Yeah, that's what he gets. Yeah, he has cum stuck in his throat.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Ah, shit.

• 14:36Adam Friedland?

  No, I'm, uh, yeah, there's a very funny video of him because he's like clearly on like roids, trying to do pushups and he could like only do three.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Get out of here.

• 14:44Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, he has muscles, but he's weak. Yeah, it's hilarious.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  That's deep.

• 14:47Adam Friedland?

  Not us.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  No, no, I could do more than three. I got a bad shoulder and I could do definitely more than three.

• 14:53Adam Friedland?

  Okay, let's get to you. Let's get to the interview, even though you're my best friend. I thought, I thought this was an interview. No, no, I have, I actually have.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  You gotta make an intro.

• 15:01Adam Friedland?

  I have topics.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:03Adam Friedland?

  Well. We were rolling on all that. I just want to chill with you the rest of my life and I knew that it would be this way. When I've thought about this, this has gone exactly how I thought it would go.

• 15:15Adam Friedland?

  You're like, Adam, you're the second greatest producer of all time.

• 15:19Adam Friedland?

  Who, uh, you think, you think you get your flowers, actually? In terms of like all that?

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Of, of, of, in the industry itself?

• 15:26Adam Friedland?

  Producer specifically.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  I don't know. I think this. I mean, I see it a lot. You know what I mean? I'm always in somebody's top five or whatever, whatever. But, um, it's like nobody validates me.

• 15:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 15:40Adam Friedland?

  I would say it's Phil Spector than you.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 15:42Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  Phil was good.

• 15:45Adam Friedland?

  He was pretty good.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  That's it. But I think that, uh, no, on the real, nobody don't take me, can't validate me or invalidate me, bro.

• 15:54Adam Friedland?

  You don't, I don't really care what anyone thinks of this.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  That's no saying.

• 15:57Adam Friedland?

  It's nice being middle aged.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, right? You don't give a fuck.

• 16:00Adam Friedland?

  I don't have to be cool anymore. I stink. I stink. And if you're watching this, shame on you. You're, you're a loser.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  We're gonna upgrade you though. We're gonna upgrade you.

• 16:13Adam Friedland?

  Did you have like a, like a lineage? Because I feel like when, like, we, we should get to the movie because I know you're promoting it.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  Don't worry, don't worry. Do your thing, bro.

• 16:21Adam Friedland?

  Because I have like a million questions that I've had my entire life, but like.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Let me, let me start this. Let me, look, ladies and gentlemen, it's my first time here.

• 16:28Adam Friedland?

  May 1st, 2026.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  Hold on, hold on. I'm interrupting this guy. He's gonna get me back for this. But yo, bro, I'm just here to have fun with you, spend some time with you.

• 16:35Adam Friedland?

  Me too. That's all I want to do also.

• 16:39Adam Friedland?

  I was just trying to chill.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  That's it, bro.

• 16:42Adam Friedland?

  I should do a proper introduction. Ladies and gentlemen, he doesn't need one. It's Thirza. His new film. What's the name of your new film?

• 16:51Speaker 04

  One Spoon of Chocolate.

• 16:52Adam Friedland?

  It is in theaters May 1st. Everyone go see it. It is inspired by your own life. It's your story.

• 16:58Speaker 04

  It's inspired by a lot of shit, bro.

• 16:59Adam Friedland?

  It's the inflection point of everything for me.

• 17:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes. There's a lot of things going on in there. It's inspired by true events. And I think now that we promoting my film, my first was just chilling and shit. But now that we promoting my film, I will say that.

• 17:12Adam Friedland?

  Because the money men here, all they care about is the dollars. They're looking at me. They're like, promote the film. Why you paid good money for this? Well, all you care about is your brands. And your commercials. Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  But I will say, I will say that it's definitely a film that will hit every emotion. You know what I mean? Like, you're gonna feel comfortable, uncomfortable, happy, sad, fulfilled, and you still may walk away with some questions. And that's what cinema should do. Cinema should make you be like, yo, that was good. You know what I mean?

• 17:44Adam Friedland?

  There's something about you that's like, movies and music is kind of one thing. Like, I mean, like, the first time you listen to Thirty Six Chambers or like any of the, you know, the albums that you produce for the solo albums that you produce for them, it's all like, just say, some of it, I mean, like, we listen to Liquid Swords, that's about two minutes of a sample. That's a long one up top.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  It's a movie.

• 18:07Adam Friedland?

  But like, you are, do you view music as cinema in a way? Like, are you experiencing an album? Like, it's a kind of like a...

• 18:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was my ambition. My ambition was to make albums that was like audio movies. I'm making movie, I'm making music back. There's no DVDs, bro.

• 18:28Adam Friedland?

  That was like, one of the questions I had.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  Think about that.

• 18:30Adam Friedland?

  How did you see so much, like, specifically Black Slaughter and Kung Fu movies? Like, how were you exposed, I guess, growing up?

• 18:40Speaker 04

  Oh, VHS was everything.

• 18:41Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  I actually had a, I actually bought, I tried to start my own video. Uh, store.

• 18:50Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  In Ohio. And so I bought all the fucking movies from this video store in Staten Island. So my collection is ridiculous on VHS. To my thousands of VHS movies. And I watch shit. You know what I mean? I, I dig, I was digging through movies like we, like people would dig through crates of records.

• 19:07Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? And so, and my goal was, so New Yorkers, we would leave New York and drive to Virginia, DC or Virginia.

• 19:15Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  This was when the street pharmaceutical business was, uh, part of the trade.

• 19:21Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Right?

• 19:23Adam Friedland?

  With Viagra, Cialis.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, before that.

• 19:25Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, before that, okay.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  This shit, this shit, this shit probably shrink your dick, alright?

• 19:31Adam Friedland?

  Oh, yeah. That's the worst experience in the world, which is like.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, this shit probably was shrinking people dicks.

• 19:38Adam Friedland?

  Cut that, please, please cut that.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Wait, this is a Greek curse on this shit, bro?

• 19:43Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, oh, fuck, yeah.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  Okay, I'll make sure. But anyway, driving down to, yo, when you drive through, when you drive, I always wanted somebody, you know, with a big fucking Benz, to put my cassette in and fucking go on a journey while he's driving. That was like my ambition to like have an audio movie. And so my music was always made to be listened from beginning to end. I wasn't really thinking about singles and, and hit records. I was thinking about cinematic experiences without knowing the word was called cinematic.

• 20:13Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  And then eventually, of course, I realized that all along, I am a film director, but the toys I had was a sampler, a turntable, or a four-track machine, or a beat machine. Now, of course, I've been blessed and I got motherfucking, you know what I mean, the whole set.

• 20:32Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  You know what I mean, so.

• 20:34Adam Friedland?

  I mean, you've scored films, of course.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that taught me a lot.

• 20:36Adam Friedland?

  Tarantino films. Uh, you, you also, wait, did you see that clip of him that one time when he was on 106 in Park?

• 20:43Speaker 04

  Uh uh, I see it.

• 20:44Adam Friedland?

  Oh, you.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Show it.

• 20:45Adam Friedland?

  You gotta call your boy, it's, he, he's being very, he has a lot of stank on what, the way he's talking. He's putting a lot of stank, he's like, yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  What'd he do?

• 20:58Adam Friedland?

  Wait, he's on BET where he's like. Like, he's like, yeah, but he's talking like 70s black guy. Because, which matches, I guess, his movies. But the code switching is, is one of the funniest video, yeah.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  I gotta see that shit.

• 21:09Adam Friedland?

  See, y'all, what the, what up slick? Give me a little touch slick. Yeah, he's talking like a pimp.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Well, that goes, you know what, all your slang.

• 21:19Adam Friedland?

  I know, he's a friend, he's a friend of.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Definitely, you know, I say, yeah, no, he's, he's, I call him the godfather in my film world. Right, but all, no, this goes to anybody. Everybody's slang depends on your fucking age, bro.

• 21:33Adam Friedland?

  True.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  If you, if you, if you meet a dude in his 60s, from 1965 to 75, he going, what up, jive, turkey? You're like, what the fuck is that?

• 21:43Adam Friedland?

  It's like listening, it's like listening to a Lenny Bruce comedy album, where he's like, this cat overheated.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, this cat, yeah, yeah, you're like, what the fuck is going on?

• 21:50Adam Friedland?

  What the fuck is this, is this funny to people?

• 21:52Speaker 04

  But, but the funniest thing, worst, is that this shit come back around, yo. Now, everybody's like, yo, bro, yo, bro, dude, you hear that a lot now from these kids?

• 21:59Adam Friedland?

  Were you from the bro generation?

• 22:01Speaker 04

  No, the, the bro was before me.

• 22:03Adam Friedland?

  Oh, bro was, but.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  It came before me.

• 22:06Adam Friedland?

  When did bro first pop off?

• 22:07Speaker 04

  I'm from the son, yo, what up, son?

• 22:08Adam Friedland?

  Son.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  That's me, what up, thun?

• 22:10Adam Friedland?

  That's New York, though.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  But that's me.

• 22:12Adam Friedland?

  It's so funny how I was just like listening.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying?

• 22:15Adam Friedland?

  I was listening to the infamous and just copying the way they're talking.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, bro.

• 22:19Adam Friedland?

  As a Jewish boy, like, literally, when I moved to New York.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Where you moved from, I gotta know.

• 22:23Adam Friedland?

  I lived in DC before that, and then I grew up in, at Vegas, pretty much, yeah.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  That's, wait, that's.

• 22:29Adam Friedland?

  Weird place to grow up.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  I mean, I mean, the ping pong is, is definitely.

• 22:32Adam Friedland?

  I went to college in DC, then I started comedy, then I went to.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 22:35Adam Friedland?

  Uh, but like, I was literally on the G train, listening to the infamous, and I was like, like, like, I was, I was like, uh, like, Emily in Paris, but I was like.

• 22:47Adam Friedland?

  But I was like, they're rapping about the G train in this song.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Right, and you're on it.

• 22:51Adam Friedland?

  And if anyone knew what was going through my mind on the train, they'd be like, this is the lamest guy of all time, yeah.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  But son and thun is, and, and for me also, you know, from New York, ever since we was 11, we was calling each other, yo, what up, God, peace, God? Yo, G.

• 23:07Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 23:08Adam Friedland?

  That's respect, that's nice.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it was always, so all that bro, jive, turkey shit. None of that shit made it to me.

• 23:16Adam Friedland?

  Was Staten Island considered like, you were like a country bumpkin at the time?

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Nah.

• 23:20Adam Friedland?

  Was that, you guys were the first kind of act?

• 23:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, people, now, New York did look at Staten Island as a forgotten borough.

• 23:25Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, they're like, what the hell is, are these?

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Until they came over.

• 23:28Adam Friedland?

  These WAPs.

• 23:31Adam Friedland?

  Look at these fucking Dago's over here.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Right, right, a lot of, a lot of Italian brothers over there.

• 23:36Adam Friedland?

  I'm sorry to my, their friends of the show, the Italian.

• 23:40Speaker 04

  But until they came over there, cause yo, you could come to Staten Island with all that other sucker shit?

• 23:43Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  And don't go home.

• 23:45Adam Friedland?

  What was it like growing up around those guys?

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Which guys?

• 23:48Adam Friedland?

  The, you know, the, the Italians.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  Oh, those are, those are, those are my peoples, y'all was in, I mean, the last, yo, I'm in school, I'm in the 8th grade, and my classmate's last name is Castellano.

• 23:59Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 24:00Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  So that's, that's all good. I'm like, I'll spend the night? You know what I mean? Cause he had Atari.

• 24:06Adam Friedland?

  He's in Castle. Oh, yeah, he had Atari?

• 24:07Speaker 04

  He had Atari, back when, you know what I mean? So.

• 24:09Adam Friedland?

  You remember hanging out with a rich kid who sucked, but he had all the gaming systems?

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:14Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, that sucked.

• 24:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:15Adam Friedland?

  And he just had all the games.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  And you ever, you ever borrow the cartridge and never take it back?

• 24:20Adam Friedland?

  Of course. Tell his dad to buy him another one.

• 24:25Adam Friedland?

  That's what you get for being, fucking, 1%. No, but, um, wait, so, so you were born in Brooklyn, you grew up in Staten Island, and, and in the South, and Midwest, and all over?

• 24:38Speaker 04

  By the time I was 21, I lived in 20 locations.

• 24:41Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, not by choice, it just happened to be that way for me.

• 24:44Adam Friedland?

  I think, what's clear, like, from the early records is like, you were using like soul, a lot of soul samples, which is kind of like, I think, do you feel like you were one of the first producers, kind of, cause that's defined hip-hop production? I mean, Kanye's first three albums don't happen.

• 25:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, if I don't do it, yeah.

• 25:03Adam Friedland?

  If you don't put that, like, yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I definitely helped bring that into it. The emotion of a soul record, I actually realized that that fucking A minor chord was everything.

• 25:13Adam Friedland?

  Breaks your heart.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then you'll see, like, even when Lisa Keys first came out, it's in A minor.

• 25:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 04

  That, that, that scale, that, those chords.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  I think it was something about them that really attracted me. Sonically, and I didn't even, I didn't know what the fuck it was, bro. I didn't even know what a C chord was when I made a platinum album. And you go, hey, hit the C note. I'm like, hold on, bro. I might dig in my pocket, try to think it's a C note is a hundred dollar bill. You know what I mean?

• 25:43Adam Friedland?

  And just for the record, speaking of A minor, no one has ever come forward and said that they were molested by Drake. It's a very cruel, it's a cruel, anti-Semitic. It was clearly a hit job. He was one of the first artists to sign the Palestine letter. And DJ Khaled hasn't done it yet, actually, despite being the most famous Palestinian. Don't get me started, but.

• 26:11Adam Friedland?

  I just wanted to put that out there.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  This guy likes it.

• 26:15Adam Friedland?

  I just want to put that out there.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  The A minor is just a chord, right?

• 26:20Adam Friedland?

  Well, it is just a chord and at the Grammys, the Super Bowl and the Oscars. At the Oscars, what does the fucking song have to do with movies? Sorry, don't get me started. It is one of the most anti-Semitic things I've ever seen.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Can you wait till May 15th? Are you excited about May 15th?

• 26:39Adam Friedland?

  I'm so excited.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Okay, make sure.

• 26:41Adam Friedland?

  Do you know, do you know the product, do you know my friend? I would assume he will be as good a friend as us. Do you know Aubrey Drake Graham?

• 26:54Speaker 04

  You say, you called him Aubrey, you're stupid.

• 26:56Adam Friedland?

  Aubrey. You know what? We know each other from the meetings.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  I've met him, I've met him, I respect him. Yeah, like, sometimes I honestly, I know you, right? And I can't say I know him, right?

• 27:11Adam Friedland?

  But you have his phone number, maybe?

• 27:13Speaker 04

  No, I have his pops' phone number.

• 27:15Adam Friedland?

  You have, woo, you do. Cause his dad, his dad's brother was in Sly and the Family Stone, is that correct?

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Nah, I don't know. I don't know the history, I think his father was a musician.

• 27:26Adam Friedland?

  Dennis Graham, yeah, he was from Memphis, yeah. I think his uncle was in.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think, I think they've been in music their whole life. And shit, but, but I know, if you'd have asked me this a few years ago, you know, so and so, I'd go, yeah, I know him. But then I'm saying to myself like, yo, you don't really know. Like I said, even if we met today. Somebody say, "Oh, you know RZA?" "Yeah, I know." "Well, we hung out, my dude."

• 27:48Adam Friedland?

  I wouldn't say that.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  But you can't say I know this motherfucker.

• 27:51Adam Friedland?

  Well, I wouldn't say, I'd be humble about it.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I met, I met this motherfucker.

• 27:53Adam Friedland?

  I would say I met, but in my head, I know, we know each other well.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  So, so, but, but, but, but, yeah, but, but I'm a, I'm a fan of Drake's music. I met him, he's a cool motherfucker.

• 28:04Adam Friedland?

  What did you make of when the kid, these, seeing the, seeing these, uh, knuckleheads?

• 28:07Speaker 04

  The battles?

• 28:08Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, knuckleheads.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Listen, bro, that's part, I'm from New York, kid.

• 28:11Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  That's how hip-hop tapes started circulating, like, it was like, "Yo, you heard this tape of Busy B and Kumo D?"

• 28:17Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  You're like, "What?" Put it in, and they fucking talking shit about each other, or they battling. You know what I mean? So hip-hop has been that, you know what I mean? But, it's part, it's part, hip-hop is a sport, don't get it twisted.

• 28:29Adam Friedland?

  Who did you guys have problems with early on?

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Nobody.

• 28:32Adam Friedland?

  Nobody? Cause they, cause you do karate and beat them up, they were probably afraid of the karate.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Well, we had our battles before we became famous. We used to get on the train and look for motherfuckers.

• 28:41Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 28:41Speaker 04

  Seriously.

• 28:42Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Yo, bro, even as a DJ, I, I'll give you one little egotistical one. Yo, as a DJ, bro, from Staten Island. I got on the ferry to the fucking train to go way to the Bronx to a project building that I never been to to battle a motherfucker at a house party. That's hip-hop.

• 29:07Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying? Beat this motherfucker, then go back, you just doing it just to beat him? And head back home, you get no money?

• 29:15Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  You ain't getting nothing, all you know is that you beat that motherfucker.

• 29:19Adam Friedland?

  Did you get his girlfriend or something, or?

• 29:21Speaker 04

  You'll get nothing.

• 29:22Adam Friedland?

  You don't get anything?

• 29:23Speaker 04

  Nothing. I did the same, yo, I did it, then, then two weeks later, they're like, "Yo, they got this DJ in Lower East said he could get you." It's always some guy that knows some guy.

• 29:31Adam Friedland?

  What an idiot.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Right? It's like, yo, I'm like, "Yeah, I'll be there Saturday." You go there, turntables out, block party, you ain't, you don't even belong there, bro. You know what I mean, you a fish out of water in all reality, but hip-hop is so big. And then you battling, you beat the guy, now guns come out, motherfuckers shooting, blah, blah, blah, blah. You laughing.

• 29:51Adam Friedland?

  You're laughing at the guns?

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, you laughing.

• 29:52Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 29:53Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying, because it's just like, yo, I could burn all y'all motherfuckers, I'm the best.

• 29:57Adam Friedland?

  And your hands are lethal weapons, probably, from all those movies you've been watching.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  But that's hip-hop.

• 30:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Like, that's, that's the era of hip-hop, when it was like, it was such a passion to be great, such a passion to be number one. So, so when it started becoming music and making songs and all that, that sport did travel over. Now, it dwindled. And it led to damages in the 90s, of course, you know, we're thinking about Pac and Big, you know what I mean? It, I think it ended admirable with Jay and Nas, you know what I mean? They actually ended up working together.

• 30:29Adam Friedland?

  That one got mean, that one got very mean.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they ended up working. And then we get to Drake and Kendrick, it was like, well, it hasn't been nothing really in a while. And then this becomes not just fucking hip-hop, bro, this became world news. Like, like, you could be watching fucking The View, and the girls, and the ladies at the table talking about Drake and Kendrick. Like, hold on, boy, it became like a boxing shit.

• 30:58Speaker 04

  I'll pass you the mic, it's, anyway.

• 31:02Adam Friedland?

  Joy Behar. Well, I thought in the third round, in Family Matters, he switched up the flow four times. The way that fat, the way fat 40-year-old white guys with beards were taking.

• 31:15Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying, bro, this is serious.

• 31:17Adam Friedland?

  They were like, they were like, well, if you analyze, you know, the cadence of the flow in the fourth round, I'm gonna give this one to you. Shut up, shut up.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  I gotta ask you a question, bro, why is the MPC here on the floor, the MPC 1000?

• 31:35Adam Friedland?

  Alright, I was smoking Corona Dutch Master Blunt in college with Ari Stern over there. And we were listening to Arthur Seen by Christopher Cross. And we're like, someone should chop this into, you know, you know the song? "When you get lost between the moon and New York City."

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Bro, you said Christopher Cross. I just played Christopher Cross. I just did a yacht rock show.

• 31:59Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 31:59Speaker 04

  Sirius XM.

• 32:01Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, they say I'm gonna be the guest DJ. No, he wasn't there.

• 32:04Adam Friedland?

  Do you know what happened to him? They thought he was gonna be next, up next, and then the...

• 32:10Speaker 04

  One album.

• 32:11Adam Friedland?

  But it was before, there was like, then his face, they said...

• 32:15Speaker 04

  What happened? He gained weight or some shit?

• 32:17Adam Friedland?

  No, they said he wasn't, people saw that he wasn't handsome.

• 32:23Adam Friedland?

  I don't wanna shit on the guy, he made incredible music.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  I seen his documentary, bro.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  Hey, you can't knock that kid.

• 32:34Adam Friedland?

  Dude, I love that album with the flamingo, the green, whatever, sailing, I think it's cool, yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Oh, on the way to Mexico, right? Yeah, he's on his way to fucking Mexico. You proposed in Mexico.

• 32:46Adam Friedland?

  I proposed, yeah, I, I, I...

• 32:49Speaker 04

  Makes sense. I see the Christopher Cross connection, that's all coming together.

• 32:54Adam Friedland?

  I'm a Marin. Wait, so like...

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 33:01Adam Friedland?

  So Ari put these samples on his NBC.

• 33:08Adam Friedland?

  I don't know, I mean, we loaded it and I...

• 33:11Speaker 04

  What's wanted to do?

• 33:12Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it's kind of offensive. I mean, it's like I'm saying, like, I'm gonna make George Martin make a new Beatles song for me.

• 33:23Speaker 04

  What was that?

• 33:30Adam Friedland?

  He knew, he knew already.

• 33:37Adam Friedland?

  How did we, that's exactly...

• 33:41Speaker 04

  Grabbing tits.

• 33:45Adam Friedland?

  Wait. That was literally what we were saying, that if you loop the best that you can do.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:53Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it's kind of a just.

• 33:53Speaker 04

  Yo, somebody should do that. Yo, bro, do it. Don't not do it.

• 33:56Adam Friedland?

  Can you, can you, do it?

• 33:58Speaker 04

  No, no, not me, cuz.

• 33:59Adam Friedland?

  Please.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Cuz the samples cost more when I do it.

• 34:02Adam Friedland?

  We'll just do it as an exercise. Are we gonna get demonetized? I don't give a fuck. Wait.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  No, yo, bro, listen. They gonna edit all this shit out your shit, bro.

• 34:11Adam Friedland?

  No, who's "they"? The rabbis? No, they're not gonna take anything from me. I'm on to them. I'm on to them.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  They just gonna be like.

• 34:17Adam Friedland?

  I saw what you did to Michael. You're not gonna do it to me.

• 34:20Speaker 04

  He gonna play his content, it's gonna be like, this content has no fucking audio.

• 34:26Adam Friedland?

  But if you were, just maybe we'll edit it out, but if you were.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  Uh, I'm gonna do it another day and shit.

• 34:31Adam Friedland?

  What about, just maybe.

• 34:32Speaker 04

  But yo, that's, yo.

• 34:33Adam Friedland?

  Maybe it's a great moment in Talk Show History right here.

• 34:36Speaker 04

  It's, yeah, I, I, listen, I will say this. It's a good shot, bro. I think you gotta.

• 34:44Adam Friedland?

  Oh.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  That tempo, let me see, hold on.

• 34:47Adam Friedland?

  And then you maybe pitch it up like a little.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, pitch it up. And you got to take off, you gotta pitch your velocities at full level on your NPC.

• 34:55Adam Friedland?

  Exactly, that's what I was saying.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  Hit that button right there, there you go. It's just a, it's just a button, you know what I mean?

• 34:59Adam Friedland?

  And then you get.

• 35:00Speaker 04

  And then, yo, cuz look, if it's off, it's this.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  Like that button, hit it here. Every time you hit it, you know what I mean?

• 35:08Adam Friedland?

  The best moment of my life.

• 35:09Speaker 04

  If they take it off, if they put it on one shot, you got it on, you got it on pulse and shit, bro.

• 35:15Speaker 05

  Oh, you can change it in the program window.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  I know what you can do. I'm telling you. I'm telling you that you supposed to have that shit, if you wanted me to fuck around, you supposed to have the shit ready to go.

• 35:24Adam Friedland?

  Ari, I thought you would have the program window for him.

• 35:26Speaker 05

  I know why we wanted it. We can change it.

• 35:28Adam Friedland?

  This is the best day of my life.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  Alright, so, he got it on velocity. But anyway.

• 35:34Adam Friedland?

  Wait, wait, yeah, wait.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  No, back to another question, bro.

• 35:36Adam Friedland?

  Just you caressing the pads of Mr. Ari Stern's NPC, man, what a, what a, what a moment. What a moment for Ari.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Fuck, let's do it.

• 35:44Adam Friedland?

  What a moment for Ari.

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• 40:45Speaker 04

  Get those shoes from, yo.

• 40:47Adam Friedland?

  Uh, I got them one of them.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  I like the richest. I like the richest right here.

• 40:50Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got them in Texas.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  In Austin?

• 40:53Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, Austin. See?

• 40:55Speaker 04

  We was in, yo, bro. I only own one pair of cowboy boots.

• 40:59Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  And I got them from fucking Austin, Texas.

• 41:01Adam Friedland?

  Where'd you get them at? Lukeyzi?

• 41:03Speaker 04

  That's the motherfucker.

• 41:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, that's where I got these too, but I found out that that's where a Dallas businessman gets them and not the real cowboys.

• 41:10Speaker 04

  Well, we, well, you know, we don't got horses, you know what I mean?

• 41:12Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, we don't got horses.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  We don't got horses. We got, we're just passing through.

• 41:15Adam Friedland?

  We're just fucking passing through, of course, dude. We're just two guys living life.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, passing through.

• 41:21Adam Friedland?

  Not like the, the money guys over here. We're just living. We're the artists.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 41:28Adam Friedland?

  Well, let's, one thing that was, I said to you before the show that was like, I had no idea. The inflection point that we're kind of referencing before was like you, you caught a charge in 1993.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Yep. With charges in 91, I caught the charge.

• 41:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  I got acquitted in 92.

• 41:48Adam Friedland?

  92, yeah.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  And Wu-Tang comes in 93.

• 41:50Adam Friedland?

  How do you do, like, how, how is 36 Chambers the first, you know, like, how is it so perfect immediately?

• 41:57Speaker 04

  I think, thank you for saying that, for saying it's perfect, but I think that what happened is that it's years of us trying, right? So in my hood, there's tapes that's floating around. Even some of the lyrics on 36 Chambers is referencing songs you never heard. But only people heard it was the people in our projects.

• 42:14Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  So we had, so, so by the time you meet Wu-Tang, right, I just use, I use myself as an example. You meet me, I'm 21, 22 years old, but I've been writing lyrics since I was. Nine years old.

• 42:26Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  So now you done met a guy who's been doing this shit ten to twelve years.

• 42:30Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  That done ran through New York City.

• 42:32Adam Friedland?

  You're a vet.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, but even though I'm a kid.

• 42:34Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying? So then the jizza doing it even longer and stronger. So that's why I come to his verses on that first album. He probably got some of the best verses.

• 42:44Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  On the first album because he was the best of us. You know what I'm saying? And then you see Meth is a couple of years younger, Ghost a couple of years younger. But by the time you get to Cuban Links, like, oh shit. Now they getting their ten, twelve, thirteen year mark.

• 42:57Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? So, so, so Thirty Six Chambers is capturing these dudes right approaching mastery level. Some of us were at mastery level. Some of us were advanced regardless, you know what I mean? Like, like Nas, I call him an advanced MC.

• 43:14Adam Friedland?

  He was nineteen, right? When he made.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he was sixteen when he was already considered like, yo, who the fuck is this motherfucker?

• 43:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, so, so that kind of energy. So, but going back to what you were saying far as the story and the point.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  And this is, this is not funny. You can make a joke out of it, but.

• 43:31Adam Friedland?

  I'm not going to.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Yes, you are.

• 43:32Adam Friedland?

  I refuse.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Okay. So, from the time that I stopped being a negative motherfucker.

• 43:40Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Which was April twenty second. Wasn't even a year later, bro, that I was able to be platinum.

• 43:49Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 04

  And, but before that, every time I tried to do something, which was mostly negative, shit was failing.

• 43:55Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  And so I always tell young people that, yo, positive is not an easy road. Like, like you look at Meth the Man with Muscles, that didn't come overnight, bro. You gotta go to the gym, bro. Go work out, you know what I mean? Work your material out, bro. And don't be deterred. Because something that could easily tell you to turn left and fuck up all the shit that you, the true, your true calling. And for me, art was my true calling, even though I was trying to be everything else but an artist.

• 44:23Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, it's just like you have to catch Ls probably to get better.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, or you gotta catch, no, you, well.

• 44:29Adam Friedland?

  You gotta fuck up a bunch of times before, like you have to work your ass off.

• 44:32Speaker 04

  You gotta work your ass off, but you don't gotta fuck up. I tell people that, like, you don't gotta go through hell. I went through hell.

• 44:38Adam Friedland?

  I've been through hell myself.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too, bro. Alright, we've been through hell. Now.

• 44:43Adam Friedland?

  I wouldn't say that.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  Anybody else who gotta go through hell, I'm saying whatever hell it is.

• 44:47Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Right? When you have your, when you have your son, you ain't gonna want him to go through your hell. His hell gotta be deep. If he going through your hell, then you ain't do your job.

• 44:55Adam Friedland?

  God forbid, yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:57Adam Friedland?

  It's just the agony of being alive.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  You feel me though?

• 45:01Adam Friedland?

  I feel you, a hundred percent.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, so I, so, so, so my son didn't go through my hell, I know that for a fact.

• 45:06Adam Friedland?

  Sure.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  And so he's most laid back non-salant. He wakes up at one in the afternoon.

• 45:12Adam Friedland?

  Are you, you think they're, they're like rich kids, you know?

• 45:15Speaker 04

  Who?

• 45:16Adam Friedland?

  Your kids, right?

• 45:17Speaker 04

  You know what?

• 45:18Adam Friedland?

  Cause like you're, you grew up in the projects, right? And you're like, you guys are fucking pussies. No, I wouldn't say.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Well, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call them that, right?

• 45:25Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but it's just like, come on, you, you soft boys.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  No, no, they're rich and hard.

• 45:31Adam Friedland?

  They're rich and hard. They got you in them.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  They got rich and hard, but they didn't have to be. Yo, I met a dude, bro. And I talk about this dude a lot. But he, and, and, and I know he respects me to talk about him. He's a serious dude. You know what I mean? Did, did his time, did his crime, did his time.

• 45:49Adam Friedland?

  Mike Tyson?

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Nah, this dude, this dude is deep. I won't say his name. But he told me that while he was in jail, he read one of my articles that came out, whatever, in one of these magazines. Where I was like, yo, at the end of the day, I'm a fucking nerd, bro. Right? I'm a, he gave me some electronic shit. As soon as I saw this shit, I was like, yo, ready to pick it up. Give me a comic book. Right, so this dude, he was in jail with another dude who was in there for murder. And he probably shot about, multiple people, this guy is like, he's a super motherfuckers, right?

• 46:25Adam Friedland?

  Jesus.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  But at the end of the day, when they were talking to each other, they, it's like, yo, after the end of the day, this dude could fix computers, dude was a nerd.

• 46:32Adam Friedland?

  They're both nerds.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  Exactly. They gangsters now, they're getting twisted, but they nerds, the gangster is the, is a, is part of the, uh, the environment made you have to be that. The circumstances made you have to be that, you know what I mean? It's almost like, uh, um, um, yo, bro, I'm a vegan.

• 46:52Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Right? But.

• 46:53Adam Friedland?

  Pause.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  If I got a fucking.

• 46:55Adam Friedland?

  I'm sorry.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  He's stupid.

• 46:55Adam Friedland?

  Why did I say that? I don't know, I don't know, yeah, I don't know why I said that.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  That's okay. I'm a vegan though, but check this out.

• 47:02Adam Friedland?

  Why would, where do I get the confidence?

• 47:05Speaker 04

  If shit, if shit, if shit get tough, bro, I'm eating meat, kid.

• 47:08Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, sure. Sure, sure, sure.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  But. This guy's stupid.

• 47:18Adam Friedland?

  Wow, it's a mess in my life.

• 47:20Speaker 04

  Hold on, hold on, no, no, don't say, yo, when you, don't have, when niggas say pause, right?

• 47:23Adam Friedland?

  It's so funny.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Somebody else could be like, yo, fucking nigga, rewind.

• 47:26Adam Friedland?

  It's the middle, there is one, there is one, uh, I just.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  I like this guy.

• 47:32Adam Friedland?

  Do you know every, do you know every, do you know every affiliate's name?

• 47:37Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 47:37Adam Friedland?

  You can't possibly know.

• 47:39Speaker 04

  I don't think I could do that, but let's fuck around, let's see what you got.

• 47:42Adam Friedland?

  Wait, by the way, at our Jewish summer camp, a Wu-Tang affiliate came and performed, like, they were like,

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 47:50Adam Friedland?

  Twelve-year-old Remedy.

• 47:51Speaker 04

  Remedy came?

• 47:52Adam Friedland?

  He did Never Again for us.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Holy shit.

• 47:55Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, and like, there was like, like.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  That's beautiful, bro.

• 47:58Adam Friedland?

  Rebecca Goldstein, we were like grinding, it was like, for him as a gig, for him as a gig, yeah, to a, to a, to a Holocaust song. Also, you had a guy named War Cloud, AKA The Holocaust.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, his name was Holocaust Hoarse. Then I, then I was like, yo, you might wanna shift that, then he went War, then he went War Cloud.

• 48:16Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, and Holocaust died last year.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  He died, yeah.

• 48:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  You know who knows Holocaust, like, verbatim? Who's my, Seth Rogen, bro.

• 48:24Adam Friedland?

  Seth Rogen's friends with Holocaust?

• 48:25Speaker 04

  No, he's not friends with Holocaust, but he, yo, he knew that, when I first met him, he dropped that 16 like it wasn't shit.

• 48:33Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it's a thing that we would know, if you had a guy named Holocaust.

• 48:39Adam Friedland?

  Holocaust died last year after October 7th and everything? I can't believe, cut me, cut me. You have a guy named Dexter Wiggles?

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Oh, you know Dexter Wiggles?

• 48:49Adam Friedland?

  I'm reading the funniest names that I found.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  I'm like, I'm like this, how you know Dexter Wiggles?

• 48:54Adam Friedland?

  Cause I read a list of all the 3,000 Wu-Tang affiliate. How do you even join? How do you, how do you?

• 49:00Speaker 04

  Well, give me some more names first.

• 49:02Adam Friedland?

  Cheesy Rat.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  Now that guy didn't make it, bro. I don't know him. Now, now you're going into the unknown, Charlie, shit.

• 49:09Adam Friedland?

  Rap Master One, that's a terrible name. You should.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  I don't know that one either. He didn't make it.

• 49:13Adam Friedland?

  Polite?

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, Polite made it.

• 49:15Adam Friedland?

  Polite is, that's nice.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, Polite, yeah. Polite is, he's a, he's a, that's my man. Give me another one.

• 49:20Adam Friedland?

  I say please and thank you. And excuse me, uh, Spanky Splash?

• 49:27Speaker 04

  Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 49:28Adam Friedland?

  Shorty Shitstain?

• 49:30Speaker 04

  There's a Shorty Shitstain. No, I'm serious. You know what, no, no, Shorty, yo, yo. Yo, my nigga, hold on, listen, Shorty Shitstain.

• 49:41Adam Friedland?

  No, I wouldn't.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  First of all, it's my cousin.

• 49:44Adam Friedland?

  I'm a big, that's your cousin?

• 49:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:45Adam Friedland?

  I'm a big fan.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:47Adam Friedland?

  It's just a funny name. Shorty Shitstain?

• 49:50Speaker 04

  Shorty Shitstain, yo.

• 49:51Adam Friedland?

  What is it? Cause he needs to poop his pants or something? I am kind of Shorty Shitstain. You know, mine is.

• 49:57Speaker 04

  Give me another one.

• 49:58Adam Friedland?

  The Coward. Wait, this guy.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  No, who's the coward? That's not in it, bro.

• 50:01Adam Friedland?

  I heard crazy allegations against this one guy. Like at these parties where there were like abuses, there's a guy named T. Diddy.

• 50:10Speaker 04

  Nah, nah.

• 50:11Adam Friedland?

  Did you see the trial?

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Nah, nah, I didn't.

• 50:13Adam Friedland?

  How did you have this monster in your, as one of?

• 50:17Speaker 04

  He's stupid, yo.

• 50:17Adam Friedland?

  T. Diddy? What?

• 50:21Speaker 04

  He's an impersonator, bro.

• 50:22Adam Friedland?

  But that's a real guy?

• 50:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:24Adam Friedland?

  No?

• 50:24Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:25Adam Friedland?

  Someone just put T. Diddy on the list?

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, give me another one.

• 50:28Adam Friedland?

  Asiatic?

• 50:29Speaker 04

  That's funny. No, Asiatic, bro.

• 50:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 50:32Adam Friedland?

  That's too on the nose for like a Wu-Tang affiliate.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, what you got?

• 50:37Adam Friedland?

  Uh, Stomach with a K?

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Don't know him.

• 50:40Adam Friedland?

  Uh, Mike Boston?

• 50:48Adam Friedland?

  And it's not like microphone with a C, it's M-I-K-E-Boston.

• 50:52Speaker 04

  You know what, I don't know him.

• 50:53Adam Friedland?

  Is he a radio host?

• 50:54Speaker 04

  It's the first time I heard that motherfucking name though, but I don't know him.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Okay, what you got?

• 51:00Adam Friedland?

  Belichick brought a lot of rings to the city.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  Who?

• 51:03Adam Friedland?

  No, no, I'm just thinking of Mike Boston calling into sports radio. There's a guy named D.L.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, on the DL.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Give me another one.

• 51:15Adam Friedland?

  I heard some things about D.L. and the Holocaust with...

• 51:20Adam Friedland?

  Legion of Skanks?

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 51:23Adam Friedland?

  Zack Amico?

• 51:24Speaker 04

  No, you getting some shit now, bro.

• 51:25Adam Friedland?

  Cigar?

• 51:26Speaker 04

  Nope. Cigar is one, is on the list. I don't know who put it on there.

• 51:30Adam Friedland?

  Cheesy Rat?

• 51:31Speaker 04

  I told you, bro, no Cheesy Rats, bro.

• 51:33Adam Friedland?

  I think it is. He was in the Chuck E. Cheese Band, was he?

• 51:37Speaker 04

  Oh!

• 51:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, the Animatronic Band.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  I remember that shit, remember that shit?

• 51:42Adam Friedland?

  That was so sick.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  Bro, first of all, every time you take your kids there, they come back homesick.

• 51:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, well, it's disgusting, diarrhea food, but...

• 51:50Speaker 04

  Who the fuck?

• 51:51Adam Friedland?

  Black Ass Billy the Kid, he's cool?

• 51:54Speaker 04

  I don't know Black Ass Billy the Kid. Well, there's a, there's a Cousin Billy.

• 51:58Adam Friedland?

  Cousin Billy?

• 51:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, you got that on there?

• 52:00Adam Friedland?

  No, I mean, there's more on the...

• 52:02Speaker 04

  He got some shit.

• 52:03Adam Friedland?

  I pulled some selects.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Give me some good ones, bro.

• 52:05Adam Friedland?

  I mean, good ones, what Shorty Shit said was the best... One of the best I've ever heard. Wait, uh, okay, let's, let's go back to the list, okay? The Holocaust is so funny, insane.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  Let me tell you something about Holocaust real quick, right?

• 52:22Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, RIP.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  So, so, so, rest in peace.

• 52:24Adam Friedland?

  I'm sorry for your loss, dude.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Nah, rest in peace to Holocaust.

• 52:26Adam Friedland?

  To Holocaust.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  But, yo, bro, I ain't seen him for years at one point, right? And then I saw him. He came into the studio, I was working on Afro Samurai, so you know I'm gonna have him come do a song. He showed up to the studio, he had a long coat on, bro.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  And he had a fucking duck in his pocket.

• 52:42Adam Friedland?

  Why?

• 52:42Speaker 04

  I don't know, bro, he pulled out the duck. And start petting this motherfucker, bro. I'm like, what the fuck?

• 52:51Speaker 04

  What's the science?

• 52:53Adam Friedland?

  What drug is that?

• 52:54Speaker 04

  What the fuck is a pet? Bro, how do you have a fucking pet duck in your pocket, bro? Like, like?

• 53:02Adam Friedland?

  How do I, wait, like, how do you, like, do you guys have like a barbecue or something to get together? It's like a family reunion?

• 53:08Speaker 04

  This is no-

• 53:08Adam Friedland?

  Do you have a three-legged race or like a sack race of all the Wu-Tang affiliates?

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Not yet, bro.

• 53:13Adam Friedland?

  How do Ari and I become? We gotta chop this beat and send it to him.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, chop this up, son.

• 53:20Adam Friedland?

  You need to send it?

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Let's do two more names and this, let's get out of this chamber.

• 53:23Adam Friedland?

  What's this guy's name? Falling Down? That's me. That's so me. That is so me.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  Ah, shit.

• 53:28Adam Friedland?

  What's, uh, Fugi, Fresco P, Gab Gotcha, G Clef, G Flex, G No-

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Hold on, they put Gab Gotcha on there?

• 53:37Adam Friedland?

  Goldfinger, who's that? You don't even like him.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  I know Gab Gotcha.

• 53:40Adam Friedland?

  There have to be some guys here that you're like, that guy sucks.

• 53:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was, he was, he was thriving.

• 53:47Adam Friedland?

  Gab Gotcha? That's like a pedophile.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  Ha, Gab Gotcha.

• 53:52Adam Friedland?

  He was fine as shit.

• 53:53Speaker 04

  He was a nice guy. But you had Goldfinger, Goldfinger was actually a producer. You know who Goldfinger did, yo? He produced a song called Fairy Tales.

• 54:03Adam Friedland?

  Nevermind.

• 54:03Speaker 04

  That was the first song, I think, that Kelly, uh, Kalise was on.

• 54:08Adam Friedland?

  Oh, really?

• 54:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, he kinda, he kinda brought Kalise to the-

• 54:11Adam Friedland?

  How's it go?

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Uh, it's on the Gravediggers. I remember fairy tales. You heard of the Gravediggers?

• 54:16Adam Friedland?

  Alright, yeah, we'll go Gravediggers. That was with, uh, Prince Paul, right?

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, with Prince Paul, no?

• 54:21Adam Friedland?

  That was Horror Corps? Is that what they call it?

• 54:23Speaker 04

  That's what they call it.

• 54:24Adam Friedland?

  Scary.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  It's dark, son.

• 54:27Adam Friedland?

  Dark, spooky.

• 54:31Adam Friedland?

  It's kinda like, do you think that, uh, that Jay-Z verse on Monster was Horror Corps? When he's like, goblins, ghouls, spookies.

• 54:40Adam Friedland?

  Things that go bump in the night, scary things, nightmares.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  He made it sound like the $25,000 Pyramid Questing, though, right? The guys were like, things that go bump in the night, things that-

• 54:51Adam Friedland?

  Wait, wait, what's it called? Fairy Tales?

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Fairy Tales on the Gravediggers album.

• 54:54Adam Friedland?

  But that's not a very Gravediggers thing. A fairy tale's a nice thing.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they probably named it dark, bro.

• 55:01Adam Friedland?

  Alright.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  All fairy tales was dark. Brother Grims.

• 55:04Adam Friedland?

  Wow, you look handsome on the cover of this.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  I look handsome?

• 55:07Adam Friedland?

  That's a nice picture.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  Alright, thank you.

• 55:08Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Pause, huh?

• 55:12Adam Friedland?

  What, I can't compliment my friend?

• 55:15Adam Friedland?

  Wait, so who produced this?

• 55:16Speaker 04

  Hey, yo, that's the first one I ever said pause in my life, bro.

• 55:18Adam Friedland?

  Really, for me?

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I never said it before.

• 55:20Adam Friedland?

  It's an honor. Wait.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  Goldfinger's, right?

• 55:24Adam Friedland?

  So Gab, Grabby, what's his name?

• 55:26Speaker 04

  No, no, Gab got you. We left him behind.

• 55:27Adam Friedland?

  He didn't produce this?

• 55:28Speaker 04

  No, Goldfinger did this one.

• 55:30Adam Friedland?

  Wait, can I ask you a question? What is an understood thing about 36 Chambers is it was fueled by, that is a cocaine album? Is that correct, or is that just a gossip?

• 55:41Speaker 04

  What you mean by that, bro? You mean like everybody was doing cocaine?

• 55:44Adam Friedland?

  But it sounds like everyone was just fucking amped.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 55:47Adam Friedland?

  So that's just some...

• 55:48Speaker 04

  That's a myth.

• 55:49Adam Friedland?

  That's some gossip mongers.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  That's a myth.

• 55:51Adam Friedland?

  You guys gotta deal with these...

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, you gotta deal with that.

• 55:54Adam Friedland?

  How about the money guys deal with some of these gossipy women?

• 55:57Speaker 04

  I'm not a cocaine head, don't sniff coke, too cool to sniff coke.

• 56:01Adam Friedland?

  They said that it was fueled by, I mean, it sounds like, because everyone's rapping hard.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  They might have meant like, because we had no money,

• 56:11Speaker 04

  the money that we did have could have came from...

• 56:13Adam Friedland?

  Well, that's totally different.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  The pharmaceutical business.

• 56:15Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  So maybe the pharma, they were talking about that way.

• 56:18Adam Friedland?

  The vaccine.

• 56:18Speaker 04

  It was fueled by pharmaceutical, yeah, yeah.

• 56:20Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, Anthony Fauci.

• 56:25Adam Friedland?

  One thing I like about, like, the solo records you produced afterwards is that there's a distinct identity. Like, you're kind of in, you being auteur, like directing a film. Like, T'Cal is like, he's kind of just fighting against like the beats that you're making, right?

• 56:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:40Adam Friedland?

  Then there's like, there's, I think for Iron Man, there's a lot more soul stuff there.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, a lot of soul.

• 56:46Adam Friedland?

  You kind of like, you kind of directed each of their movies, in a way.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Well, that's, as a producer, you should be able to do that, right? You should be able to hear, feel the vibe of the artist, and compliment them.

• 56:58Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  And also, you should be able to make sure that you're not doing the same thing over and over. One, I'm gonna say this to you, like, as you got your NPC, one thing I try not to do, right, was repeat myself.

• 57:12Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  But not realizing that... Which is cool for me, but all the footprints I'm leaving, other motherfuckers is picking them up.

• 57:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? If Method Man doesn't do T'Cal, there's so many rappers that don't exist.

• 57:25Adam Friedland?

  Sure.

• 57:25Speaker 04

  Even though Method Man will never do a, a album or those flows again.

• 57:30Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? So, all the soul, you know, here the soul samples like "After the Last" there be tears or "Shadowboxing", all this shit, all that sped up shit, but then by the time you get to Bobby Digital, I'm using all electronic equipment. I'm not even using samples. You know what I mean? So, the point is like-

• 57:46Adam Friedland?

  You wanna grow as an artist, right?

• 57:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:48Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  But you don't realize that sometimes your fans just want you to do this.

• 57:52Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but fuck them.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  Right? And then sometimes you don't realize that, you know what? Oh, you don't wanna do that no more?

• 57:57Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  I'll do it. And so many other people are now doing that because you already sold, like, like, like, say, let's say I'm saying, yo, everybody love Donuts, right? And I'm like, yo, you know what? I ain't selling donuts no more. They're making motherfuckers fat, trying to, trying to help these kids.

• 58:14Adam Friedland?

  How dare he say that?

• 58:15Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm, I'm moving over to-

• 58:16Adam Friedland?

  Dilla, Dilla promoting obesity. You think Dilla was promoting obesity?

• 58:21Speaker 04

  No. Yeah, that's a, that's fast, fast brain.

• 58:23Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  But what happens now is that you don't do it, somebody else does it, bro.

• 58:29Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:30Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. That album's beautiful.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love Dilla.

• 58:34Adam Friedland?

  We were at, I was at the, in DC at the African American History Museum that have his NPC that he made donuts on.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:40Adam Friedland?

  But he was in the hospital, right? Wasn't it?

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, Dilla, Dilla was beautiful, man.

• 58:43Adam Friedland?

  Do, do, who do you see, like, who's, did you have baby bros, like, producer wise that, like, you were their, like, kind of, uh, kind of, I don't know, sensei?

• 58:54Speaker 04

  That was fast too, the way, that was, and it, and it works. I like that. I like that. You go, I mean, when you come up, when you come across people that say they learned from the Rizal, they studied the Rizal, they'll let you know, you know what I mean?

• 59:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Do you give them, was there anyone younger that you'd give feedback to or, like, like, looked up to you and, like?

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Bro, I've, bro, I've, bro, I've dropped beat machines and keyboards on so many people, you could, you could forget it, bro. I'm the, I'm the, I'm the hip hop guy that was in Germany when Germany didn't have hip hop. I gave kids five grand, 10 grand, told them, "Go start it."

• 59:24Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, really?

• 59:25Speaker 04

  And then, and then left, let them, left them alone, bro. My, my, so, so that's a whole nother chamber about me.

• 59:30Adam Friedland?

  Was, was Kanye, did Kanye look up to you?

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, Kanye-

• 59:33Adam Friedland?

  Cause I see kind of a lineage there.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  No, no, he said that, you know, he learned a lot from the, from the Abbot. The Supreme clientele album was very inspirational to him. As well as, uh, just, you know, just, you know, yeah, I mean, he, he once said that, uh, I don't want to talk about Kanye like that, but he once said that, you know, they asked him, "Who was your hero?" And he said, "Nerissa."

• 59:54Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? So that's respect. But I, I respect him as a genius and as a brother.

• 59:59Adam Friedland?

  I think as a producer, he doesn't get enough credit, honestly. I think he's one of the best.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  He gets a lot of credit, bro.

• 1:00:04Adam Friedland?

  But I think people know, know more as a, I think people know more as a famous anti Semite, but like, I think,

• 1:00:12Adam Friedland?

  and but I'm like, "Wait, have you heard, have you heard the, the late registration, for instance?" No, um, you've done like,

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  Oh, I said you stupid, bro?

• 1:00:22Adam Friedland?

  I'm not, and I, and the apology, I, I, you didn't even need to apologize. "Yeah, I, I've loved you and I just want you to be okay. You're my hero. I love you so much." And it didn't really even hurt. And you know what? It, it kind of was not, it was not bad for us because it seemed like you were having a tough time and so it made anti-Semitism seem like a product of someone having a tough time instead of something that, all the signs are.

• 1:00:47Speaker 04

  This guy's crazy.

• 1:00:49Adam Friedland?

  Cut that, cut all that, cut all that.

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  They're not gonna cut none of this shit, bro.

• 1:00:51Adam Friedland?

  The money guys, they, they were like, "We're putting you on our list."

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, when I call you stupid though, bro?

• 1:00:56Adam Friedland?

  I'm one of you.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Hey, Adam, when I call you stupid?

• 1:00:58Adam Friedland?

  It's a,

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  It's a compliment.

• 1:00:59Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  No, you know that.

• 1:01:03Adam Friedland?

  No, when you date like a Latina, she, she's like, "You're stupid." Yeah, it's cute.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 1:01:09Adam Friedland?

  That's like my dream girl kind of girl, honestly.

• 1:01:13Adam Friedland?

  I mean, my,

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  You ever have a New York Latina as a date?

• 1:01:16Adam Friedland?

  I, I,

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  You can't talk now, you can't talk now.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  Yo, no, they're the best, bro. Let me say something about the New York Latina, so you can just know.

• 1:01:25Adam Friedland?

  I want to talk about this, yeah.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  They're just special, bro.

• 1:01:28Adam Friedland?

  They are.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 1:01:30Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's all I gotta say.

• 1:01:32Adam Friedland?

  They're amazing. Shout out to all the Latinas in New York City.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, beautiful people, man.

• 1:01:37Adam Friedland?

  Keep doing your thing. We love you. You guys are awesome.

• 1:01:42Adam Friedland?

  It really does feel great to be called stupid, though. It's like, ooh. I am being stupid right now.

• 1:01:51Adam Friedland?

  You, you know, I think you've done kind of everything, right? You've done like everything kind of in-

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  Art-wise or?

• 1:02:00Adam Friedland?

  Art-wise, like in music and movies. You've kind of like done all the things. I mean, you haven't been like a best boy or a grip before. Maybe you have, I don't know.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:02:08Adam Friedland?

  No. You weren't like a Teamster driving a truck. But like, no, you've acted, you've written, you've scored films. Actually, movie scores, like how, like approaching a film score, like, what differentiates the process? Does it feel like you're just making an album?

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  When you're working as a composer, you're working for the vetement of the film and you're working at the service of the film.

• 1:02:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  At first, I thought I was working for the service of the director. I realized, no, it's not for the director.

• 1:02:37Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  It's his vision, but you have to serve that film. And so, it's a different approach because it's really, it, it, you gotta have a skill set, an ear set and an ability to do it. But it's not just about coming in and making a fucking beat, bro. What I had to do to try to understand it was I went back and studied Peter and the Wolf. So in Peter and the Wolf,

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  every instrument represents a character.

• 1:03:05Adam Friedland?

  A different character, yeah.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  And so, the flute was the bird, right? The trombones was the wolf and all that. So, once I understood that, and that's going back, basically the classical, going back to operas, going back to suites, as they would call it, Nutcracker Suite, et cetera. So I studied that first and then I understood that I can kind of do that with characters and I could kind of do that with inanimate objects in a film.

• 1:03:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  So it helped me, but even after that, knowledge gets you. It doesn't matter, right? I was writing a scene in Kill Bill, I was writing a scene and I thought I had it and I showed it to Quentin and he was like, no, that's not it.

• 1:03:43Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 04

  Now, that shook me because-

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  Almira RZA.

• 1:03:49Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  And at the time, it was like, it was, what I did was probably considered undeniable.

• 1:03:55Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  But it wasn't good for that film. And then I did it again. This went on for two weeks, bro. Then it was like, no, that's not it.

• 1:04:03Adam Friedland?

  You hadn't had to collaborate in a while, I imagine, right? You've been like, you've been the boss.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Right. And nor have I been at service.

• 1:04:10Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  See, collaboration is one thing, that service is even higher than collaboration. So then, maybe on a week three, I'm just in there doing what I'm doing, and he bursted into the room. And was like, that's it!

• 1:04:24Speaker 04

  And I was like, okay, understood. Like, it's nothing personal, it has to serve.

• 1:04:29Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 04

  The film.

• 1:04:30Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Different process.

• 1:04:32Adam Friedland?

  I mean, that score is awesome.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  It's a different process, though.

• 1:04:34Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what have you enjoyed, like, I guess, you're getting into, what, you're, it's your fourth decade? Fourth decade in-

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  I thought you were gonna say my fourth feature film.

• 1:04:45Adam Friedland?

  Your fourth feature film?

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Adam Friedland?

  But it's kind of your fourth decade in-

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  You're right, bro.

• 1:04:49Adam Friedland?

  In making art.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  Slow that down, slow down.

• 1:04:52Adam Friedland?

  Kind of.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got signed, yeah, unfortunately, yeah, I got signed to The Teenager.

• 1:04:57Adam Friedland?

  So I guess, like, you kind of answered this question a little bit earlier, but like, you're like, you shouldn't grow complacent and like, you know, just do the same thing over and over again. You grow restless and you want to change and evolve over time. Like, what's in your belly right now? Like, what's motivating you right now?

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  Cinema.

• 1:05:15Adam Friedland?

  Cinema.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I want to be, I want to add to the, to the, to the catalog of cinema, some great work, that even 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, 100 years from now, somebody could pick it up and look at it and go, yo, that's some shit, yo. You know? I remember during the pandemic, where everybody was stuck at home, I discovered Burt Lancaster. You know Burt Lancaster?

• 1:05:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:05:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's just like, I'm watching movies that I've never seen before, you know, and it's like, it's fucking inspiring.

• 1:05:48Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  I'm getting shit, you know? I discovered, um-

• 1:05:52Adam Friedland?

  Have you seen Local Hero?

• 1:05:53Speaker 04

  Local Hero, no.

• 1:05:54Adam Friedland?

  Is that-

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  Is that the one who's in the new-

• 1:05:55Adam Friedland?

  Lancaster's last film?

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  Local Hero?

• 1:05:58Adam Friedland?

  Who's, who's the guy, the old guy that-

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  I didn't see that one though.

• 1:06:04Adam Friedland?

  Cut it if I'm wrong, cut it if I'm wrong. Fast, fast, Thomas. He is, yeah, yeah, it's his last, it's his last performance. It's an unbelievable movie. Very slept on flick.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  I gotta see that, local hero, thank you for that.

• 1:06:17Adam Friedland?

  Local hero, yeah. I, one of my favorites. It's in a category which I call for the fellas.

• 1:06:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:06:23Adam Friedland?

  Where it's like, if you're like at a bar with your friends, you're like, yo, let's watch Moneyball right now.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:06:28Adam Friedland?

  Right? Let's watch Master Commander right now, right? And then you go home and you're like, literally dapping each other because you're like, that's what it's all about, yeah.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  Right, brotherhood.

• 1:06:37Adam Friedland?

  Local hero is like definitely like that slapshot. But, uh, yeah, Wolf of Wall Street. It's just like for the boys.

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  Wolf of Wall Street, what a fucking masterpiece, right? Well, the point I'm making is like, okay, so let's use Wolf of Wall Street as an example.

• 1:06:51Adam Friedland?

  Wait, you were saying you're studying Lancaster though?

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  No, no, yeah, I was just saying like, I'm gonna use the same thing I was gonna say about Burt, I'm gonna say about Leonardo and Scorsese and Wolf of Wall Street. Bro, you could watch it 50 years later, bro.

• 1:07:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  You're gonna be entertained, bro.

• 1:07:05Adam Friedland?

  Right.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  And so my ambition now, I did it in music. Whether I, whether I thought I did it or not, I know I did it now because this is, the Wu-Tang is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so I did it in music.

• 1:07:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  I wanna try to do that in film. I wanna try to have some films that you're like, yo, I gotta see this. Tell somebody you gotta watch that for whatever it does for you.

• 1:07:27Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? One Spoon of Chocolate, maybe that's the one that fucking make you think about, uh, relations, right? You know, uh, Man with the Iron Fist, which we, we watched that recently, uh, in California.

• 1:07:42Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  Bro, it's really almost the first black superhero movie after Blade.

• 1:07:48Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  But I didn't know that. You see what I'm saying?

• 1:07:51Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  So cinema, I think is my way as an artist now.

• 1:07:55Adam Friedland?

  What about Blank Man with Damon Wayans? Have you seen that?

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:59Adam Friedland?

  I thought he was a superhero.

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:08:01Adam Friedland?

  It's a very funny movie.

• 1:08:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Adam Friedland?

  Have you seen it?

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  Some of it.

• 1:08:05Adam Friedland?

  He's just being like, he's just being gay.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  He's crazy, he's crazy.

• 1:08:08Adam Friedland?

  I don't know.

• 1:08:08Speaker 04

  He's crazy.

• 1:08:09Adam Friedland?

  No, I'm trying to think of black superheroes. Oh, keep going, sorry.

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Adam Friedland?

  I cut you off.

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  You know, I'm saying that's, eh, all good.

• 1:08:16Adam Friedland?

  But like, yeah.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  So you asked me what I, what I wanna do.

• 1:08:18Adam Friedland?

  You didn't realize that until you saw, uh, uh, Iron Fist, yeah.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  No, no, in my belly, the question, ladies and gentlemen, the question is, what's in my belly?

• 1:08:25Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  In my belly, it makes cinema. That can last and stand the test of time and inspire future generations. And I'm gonna be striving to do that, the way I did with music.

• 1:08:36Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, and you're hungry, ambitious.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm ambitious about it. We have a new company called Thirty Six Cinema.

• 1:08:43Adam Friedland?

  Oh, cool.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  And we, we, you know, like you guys are doing your own thing, we're doing our own thing. And, and, and, and look, look, I'm gonna say this out loud to you. Podcasting, right, you're a comedian.

• 1:08:56Adam Friedland?

  It's a talk show, yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  Right, I'm just saying, you're a comedian. Talk shows, podcasting, broadcasting, all these things have given outlets or voices and made it easier.

• 1:09:07Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Right, and then it become a point where you're like, yo, fuck that, bro. We got our own cameras, our own fucking lights, we do it the shit of fuck way we wanna do it.

• 1:09:15Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Speaker 04

  Cinema, it's hard for that to happen. Even though AI is here, it's hard for it to happen at the level that it projects on a big fucking screen.

• 1:09:25Adam Friedland?

  You need a lot of people there.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it needs a lot of energy. I'm trying to simplify that and trying to open the door for that for, so that it's not a thirty hurdle race. It's only ten, twelve.

• 1:09:38Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Adam Friedland?

  Just streamline the production process.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the, and the distribution process.

• 1:09:43Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  You know what I mean, in a positive way though. Where everybody makes money, everybody makes a smile, and more art is shared.

• 1:09:50Adam Friedland?

  You're the best, I want you to know that. I mean, this has been the best, I'm seriously.

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  Thank you, man.

• 1:09:56Adam Friedland?

  I, like, you're like, I think, yeah, you're, I've been a fan for so long and it's really cool. And especially meeting you is like, you're just such a, such a sincerely lovely person. It's like, thank you for being here, no homo.

• 1:10:16Adam Friedland?

  Thanks a lot, there is a guy.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

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