EV Sales Crash! Doug's Carrera GT Breaks Down, Jeeps Are Catching Fire! THIS CAR POD! EP85

Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS Welcome to THIS CAR POD! Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion on breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Thank you to our sponsors! Piloti - https://piloti.com/discount/Cars&Bids 15% off Use Code CARS&BIDS Ridge - Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code DOUG at https://www. Ridge.com/DOUG #Ridgepod DeleteMe- Visit https://joindeleteme.com/DEMURO for 20% off! Shopify- Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at https://SHOPIFY. COM/CARS Harry’s - Our listeners get the Harry’s Plus Trial Set for only $10 at https://www. Harry's.com/CARS #Harryspod KENNAN’S YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://crsnbds.com/KennansYTChannel LISTEN HERE - Spotify - https://spotify.link/RHKZoB8ebIb Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-car-pod-with-doug-demuro-friends/id1737487546 NEW MERCH! https://merch.carsandbids.com FOLLOW CARS & BIDS! YouTube - @carsandbids Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/carsandbids/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@cars_and_bids Twitter - https://twitter.com/carsandbids FOLLOW ME! Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/dougdemuro Instagram - http://www.instagram.com/dougdemuro Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/ddemuro CHAPTERS: 00:00:00 THIS CAR POD! 00:00:23 Kennan Bought A Car 00:07:06 SEMA News 00:09:49 EV Sales 00:12:04 Honda Goes Off-Road 00:15:55 Porsche Enters Tunnel Mode 00:18:35 Saleen's New Concept 00:22:14 Jeep 4XE Recall 00:25:45 New RAM SRTs 00:28:29 Las Vegas Concours 00:32:31 New Renault Twingo 00:33:33 Talk Cars! 00:35:22 Nicks Multipla Update 00:39:31 Last Week's Mercedes-Benz R63 Sale 00:42:16 The Carrera GT Broke Down 00:49:18 Nick's SLR Party 00:52:28 Market Report 00:53:49 Pontiac Aztek 00:56:09 Ferrari 512 TR 01:01:03 Porsche 986 Boxster 01:02:50 Community Questions 01:03:39 Has Kennan Stayed On Budget With His E39 M5? 01:07:09 Which Is The Best Auto Nation Illustration Sticker? 01:08:40 What Is The Best $30k Version Of The Countach? 01:13:08 Did Nit Money Shift His TTRS? 01:16:19 Why Do Cars Still Have 12v Outlets? 01:17:37 Pay Cash Or Finance A Car? 01:23:18 What Music Has Doug Been Listening To? 01:25:39 Car That Had The Biggest Generational Downgrade? 01:30:11 Parting Thoughts #carsandbids #dougdemuro #thiscarpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:03Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  I'm Kennan.

• 1:07Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Nick. Nick's here because Filippo is gone once again. Is Filippo even still part of this?

• 1:13Speaker 03

  He's gallivanting. I gallivanted this summer. He's currently gallivanting, but Nick is here.

• 1:17Doug DeMuro?

  We got a lot to cover today, but undoubtedly, the biggest news story is sitting behind me. Kennan, tell it to us.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  The biggest news, at least in my world, is that I finally bought a car.

• 1:28Doug DeMuro?

  Kennan has bought a car, folks. This trumps all automotive news for the week.

• 1:33Speaker 03

  Yes, as I've been alluding to, there are a lot of cars I was thinking about. I mentioned the R230 SL55.

• 1:40Doug DeMuro?

  I can see it's an R230. Is it an SL320?

• 1:44Speaker 03

  No, baby. Ask the big boy. It's an SL65 AMG. I have always wanted one of these cars. I mentioned it briefly on the podcast, and someone actually reached out to Nick, who then was connected with me. And here the car is. It's a lovely example. Like I said, '07, Alabaster White, red interior, and a 6-liter bi-turbo V12.

• 2:03Doug DeMuro?

  6-liter twin-turbo V12. And Kennan is going to tell us more about it on his...

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yes. It's the other piece of... Very big news on my YouTube channel. So I have my own YouTube channel that I've started by the time this is out. The first video has gone live. So it's just my name, Kennan Rolson, which no one knows how to spell. But it's K E N A N. Yes. If you start looking, we'll have it linked in the description below, of course. But feel free to check it out if you are so inclined.

• 2:27Doug DeMuro?

  Kennan has, folks, folks, Nick, this is the biggest, Kennan has a YouTube channel and an SL65.

• 2:35Speaker 04

  All right. You know what? I'm kind of salty. All right. Did he get an SL65? He got a Renn Tech tuned one. So Mr. Anti-mod has more horsepower and more torque than my SLR. And I can tell you, he paid a little less.

• 2:48Speaker 03

  Don't you forget it.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  On top of that, he's creating a new YouTube channel. Sounds familiar. And I heard he's launching an automotive marketplace called Vehicles and Wages. So like, come on.

• 2:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so let's talk about this. Nick just bought his SLR. He talked about it on the pod last week. He revealed it on his own. We've all got YouTube channels everywhere.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Yes, everybody except Felipe, who will buy a car and have a YouTube channel soon, hopefully.

• 3:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  He'll be peer pressured into it.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Coming soon. Dot, dot, dot.

• 3:14Doug DeMuro?

  But let's talk about this. He's got an SL65.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:18Doug DeMuro?

  So that SLR you got a week ago.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  Crap out of me with this.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Well, look, I had waited 20 years to own my F355. I bought it. It was a huge deal. And then both of you bought cars within like a week and took all of my thunder. So the chickens come home to roost, my friends.

• 3:34Doug DeMuro?

  I actually bought my car first. It just took a while to get here.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Yes. And both of you actually beat me to having your car actually arrive. But that's due to the dealer who bought it from that whole thing. But nonetheless, yes, I do now also have a high powered range topping Mercedes.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  You and I bought cars at the same time. Our friend Sam bought a car at the same time. There's just these seasons of life where you change out all the cars and get new ones. So I'm thrilled you did it. And it is funny to see the two cars together, knowing how similar they are. And Doug.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Doug still wants the 993 turbo. What are you doing?

• 4:04Speaker 04

  Please buy one so people stop sending me listings.

• 4:06Doug DeMuro?

  I know, I know. People keep sending me listings to silver ones. It is so, Euro one. I had somebody just now, just right now, reach out and be like, do it. Buy a Euro one in Europe. I want a US 993. Okay, so white, red.

• 4:20Doug DeMuro?

  SL65, how many miles?

• 4:21Speaker 03

  72,300 miles.

• 4:23Doug DeMuro?

  Are we not a little bit concerned?

• 4:25Speaker 03

  So, no. Now initially, if there's, so two things. Nick has taught me that you kinda can just go into this and like, learn what it's like. Like, you don't have to be as afraid. Now, maybe the Bentley, you know.

• 4:36Doug DeMuro?

  You don't do that.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  You don't do that.

• 4:37Doug DeMuro?

  You can go to a certain level, but just don't go too far, or buy that crappy of a car.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 4:41Doug DeMuro?

  You have to listen to Doug at some point.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  Right. And I did some research. This is the Technically R230.2, they got a little bit better when they facelifted this car for the first time. They then facelifted it again, which is the one with the different front. So this car's got a little bit more reliable, but also this car comes with a stack of service documentation. Not the previous owner, but the owner before him was an engineer and he got an aftermarket warranty and used it a lot. And so I have documentation like this that shows the ABC system was serviced, that I think the water pump, which is a known issue on those engines, has been replaced. A bunch of other stuff too, so really not particularly worried about it. And I'll do a video talking about, you know, everything that's wrong with my SL65. But so far, I've put about 500 miles on it since I got it a couple of weeks ago, and not an issue so far.

• 5:24Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, Kennan has bought a car.

• 5:27Doug DeMuro?

  The chickens have come home to roost. I think that, I don't know what that means, but.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  It's a Midwestern thing.

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting. He's been talking about buying a car for a long time. Some people, me included, have been giving him, oh, he's never gonna buy a car. The commenters have been way more brutal. But here it is. And not only that, Kennan was talking about, oh, any Vora, or a Lotus, or a Viper. He went above and beyond all that. He's got 800 horsepower and 9 million pound-feet of torque.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, allegedly it's 735 horsepower and 826 pound-feet of torque.

• 5:59Doug DeMuro?

  With the tune.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, allegedly.

• 6:00Doug DeMuro?

  So, so.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  We'll have to verify.

• 6:02Doug DeMuro?

  On your end, I mean, you know, he also gets things like parking sensors. His keyless entry doesn't require you to put the key in to start it. There's a bunch, like the folding hardtop. I believe you have Bluetooth that streams music.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:15Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot of amenities.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Well, you have a cassette player, though.

• 6:19Doug DeMuro?

  But he has a V12.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  And you have a little thing you flip up and you hit, you know, that's pretty cool.

• 6:24Speaker 04

  It's, but I will say, having them side by side, the SLR does have a little extra presence.

• 6:29Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting. I think one of the complaints that people have about the SLR is that it's sort of like an SL, but when you actually put them next to each other, it's like the Carrera GT and the Boxer. Oh, it's like a Boxer. Well, that's true, right up until you get them next to each other. And then you realize kind of that the SLR is a more precise, tighter, like more kind of insanely created.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  They're both really special, and I think seeing them together, you recognize similarities and differences, but like the SL65 is also very under.

• 6:58Doug DeMuro?

  And we have always wanted one. In this group, the all of us, three of us and a few others, some of them appear on this.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  I talk about it more in the video, but that engine, my God. Now, that is another, we can talk about this all day, but there is a reason yours is the supercharged V8 and not a V12. It's because it's just a more immediate, that engine takes a second to spool, like a jet turbine. But my God, we've both been on the highway together, both have played into it, and it's pretty even, Nick.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  It takes a second to spool up is a good vibe for you.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I do take a second.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  Where's Kennan? Oh, he's spooling up.

• 7:30Doug DeMuro?

  He's taking a second to spool up.

• 7:31Speaker 04

  VTEC hasn't caught in yet.

• 7:33Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, there's gonna be more on Kennan's YouTube channel talking about the SL65. Go there and watch, and he's gonna have more stuff and more updates and interesting automotive content. Like Kennan, there's Kennan fans, there are Kennan fans, there are Nick fans, there are Filippo fans.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  There are Filippo fans.

• 7:47Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, Filippo doesn't care about any of this, though, so you're never getting any content out of him. But these two will give you content, and Kennan's, go to Kennan's YouTube channel. I'm very excited myself to subscribe. I plan to be subscriber number four.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you. That's very kind.

• 8:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, can you send me a link?

• 8:02Speaker 03

  I will.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  I'm not a subscriber yet.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  I'll send everybody links.

• 8:05Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta go on to the actual news, starting with SEMA. SEMA is going on right now. I don't have anything specific to say. It just, by the time you're watching this, it will have gone on a little more, but right now it's like just started, so there's not that much happening when we're filming this. Today, Toyota released a Scion. A Scion.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  A Scion?

• 8:24Doug DeMuro?

  It is a, it is a side by side. It's an, it's an all-terrain vehicle, and it's apparently made from Tacoma parts. But it is nonetheless called the Scion 01, and it is like the,

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:37Doug DeMuro?

  The Scion brand has returned, and actually on the side of it, it literally says Scion.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  In the Arctic camo.

• 8:45Doug DeMuro?

  But there's, there's other stuff too. I, my, I, we have a couple of friends who are there who are sending us pictures and obviously all of it is tasteless and ridiculous, which is the fun of SEMA. That's what we are looking for.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Well, Kennan, you're a big mod guy with your Ren Tech tunes. I mean, this is your vibe. Tell us about it.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  I've never been to SEMA. I can't imagine a place to be more out of like fish out of water than SEMA, but.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  I will say that Throttle has their GT, 4GT.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  That their TJ Hunt also.

• 9:13Doug DeMuro?

  They finished it?

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, it looks incredible. It's a WD, a WD-40 livery, but it came out really cool. And then TJ Hunt debuted a new car there too. So it feels like the, the other San Diego YouTuber should probably be bringing something to SEMA next year.

• 9:27Doug DeMuro?

  You ever been to SEMA? Absolutely not, and I have no, look at that.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  I know. That's everything I.

• 9:32Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not a Vegas guy in general. It's not like kind of my vibe, and I definitely don't want to go to Vegas to have a million people run up to me and tell me about their aftermarket headlight solution.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  There's some, a lot of it now, it is supposed to be a trade show for people in the business, not like a car show, but.

• 9:48Doug DeMuro?

  But it has become a car show.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  There, there was a, a video or a photo I saw someone like snuck into the event through the, like the, the air vents in the ceiling and stuff like that. So it's like, it's become a total circus as you would expect.

• 10:00Doug DeMuro?

  Is it even hard to get tickets?

• 10:02Speaker 04

  You go, I mean, you have to show that you're in the industry and they have to approve. It's like getting a press pass.

• 10:07Doug DeMuro?

  Come on.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, it's like getting press photography plates on your car.

• 10:10Doug DeMuro?

  Excuse me. I am a bona fide press photographer. Uh, okay. So SEMA is going on. That Toyota thing is the first big piece of news I've seen out of there. Nothing else yet, but I'm sure there'll be more. Go Google SEMA content. Get off this video. Get out of our podcast.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  SEMA.com/aftermarketheadlightsolutions.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Instagram.com is also a good source for more SEMA.

• 10:29Doug DeMuro?

  My Instagram is all tennis, so I don't get any car stuff there anymore.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  And, oh, really? No dogs? Wow, just tennis. Just Federer in his backhand.

• 10:37Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty much. It's all, it's all, the car stuff's all stopped. And sometimes I get, um, accident videos, crash videos, which is, I'm, I'm interested in that. I'm interested in that. Yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Interesting. Okay.

• 10:49Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, move on to the next story. The next story is a great one. EV sales. I don't want to harp on this because we've talked about it before and we predicted this would happen. But the tax, the tax incentive for EVs ended at the end of last month. It ended at the end of September. Yep. And here we are in October, the spooky month. And boy, is it spooky if you're selling EVs. The numbers are absolutely, we all knew they would drop. IONIQ 6 sales were down 52%. That car is already a car that was selling pretty lowly. I read that Prologue sales were down 80%. Wow, 80. Oh my God. You know, I was in DC a couple of weeks ago and I saw a Prologue drive by with one of those magnet decal things on the side that said, we buy junk cars.

• 11:33Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm like, for that type of person to get a brand new EV, you know they were deals, right? That's so true. But they ain't anymore. Wow. 80% decline. It's a complete disaster.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  I mean, it's hard to say rob Peter to pay Paul, right? Last quarters were good because it pulled forward a lot. So like Q4 is also not indicative, like Q1 should be better because it will have normalized versus if you were thinking like September 30th, should I buy now or wait a month? Like you were buying now.

• 11:59Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but I have a suspicion the current output is probably about what it's gonna be.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:04Doug DeMuro?

  So I don't necessarily think there was like a big, oh, it went up and then it went down, but it's gonna, I think it went up and it went down and it's gonna stay down. The drive is reporting the following. Subaru Solterra in 25 was about to, was about to match its 24 sales total. Right up until October, they sold 10,000 units in 24. So a thousand a month, I don't know, 800. Last month, they sold 13 nationally.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 12:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yikes. Now that car is about to be replaced, so there's something to that. But it was also a terrible EV and I bet there's an enormous amount of inventory and that inventory will never move. If you're, if you're watching this podcast in 2063, you can still get a new 25 Solterra on the lot right now. It's under a couple of feet of dust, but it's there.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  Jaguar has to be really worried. They bet the whole company on an EV and this ain't good news.

• 12:56Doug DeMuro?

  I think Jaguar should be worried for a lot of reasons.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Jaguar's never not been worried, really. Not since like the E-Type, to be honest.

• 13:03Doug DeMuro?

  All right, give us our next news story, please. Oh, yes, Honda.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  The passport.

• 13:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm looking up news for this pod and I go on Motor Trends website. Can you pull up Motor Trends news website, please?

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Latest breaking.

• 13:16Doug DeMuro?

  Motor Trends, scroll down. What's the headline? Honda getting serious about more actually capable off-road model. You know, it's funny, I've heard that. I've heard that they should do that. Someone, somewhere has been harping on it on the world's largest automotive podcast. I wonder who convinced them to do this?

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• 14:07Speaker 03

  I would like to think it was more than just you for the sake that I don't think we'll be able to fit your head on camera if you really think you have that much influence.

• 14:13Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I gotta say though, you know what I think influenced it is that they took a look at 14 years of forerunner sales and they said, you know, we thought this trend would die out after 13 years, but I think it's going to stick around now. So maybe we'll make something capable.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  Why does Honda take such a long time to realize these things that seem very obvious to everybody else?

• 14:34Doug DeMuro?

  They're just afraid. They're a very conservative, slow-moving, kind of tepid company and they're very afraid to go outside of their core. And sometimes they do, but even then they're afraid to really invest in it.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  I can relate to that personally, but they need a nick to like push them. Maybe your Honda's nick.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  The nick was there back when they had the original Insight, the Element. They were doing some legit stuff and then they pulled back.

• 15:00Doug DeMuro?

  About the insight, the original insight, but even the element, you know, it was a CRV, right? And, and, and they did some weird packaging. It was cool. But like ultimately even that, they, they didn't, they, they even made an SC version that wasn't supercharged. It just had the same regular, it was purely cosmetic. Like there's just, there's never this like, until it is really absolutely proven, this is where they have to go. They're just afraid to do it. But maybe now that'll change. Maybe they'll finally go body on frame.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  I, I hope like the new Camry, you are bestowed the honor of being the first person in America to drive one outside.

• 15:33Doug DeMuro?

  Whatever the off-road vehicle is. Yeah. The Passport, Trail Sport.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  This mildly lifted Pilot or whatever it is that we're looking at.

• 15:40Doug DeMuro?

  I don't even think it's lifted. I have a, I have a neighbor who just, I, I don't know this person. I've never met this person, but I walked by their house. They just got rid of a Tacoma and got one of these.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 15:49Doug DeMuro?

  And it's like, oh, maybe Honda's succeeding, but probably not.

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• 17:24Doug DeMuro?

  All right, time for our next news story, please.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Ah, yes, a picture of a tunnel.

• 17:27Doug DeMuro?

  A tunnel.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  Porsche recently filed a patent for an interesting feature in their cars. Now, as car people, we approach a tunnel, we kind of go through this ritual.

• 17:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  You slow down a little bit, you put the windows down, you knock down a gear so that you can lay into it. And here, as you go through the tunnel. Porsche knows that people want to do this and they've developed a mode that the car will sense you're getting near a tunnel using cameras and GPS. And when you do, it will choose a higher, a lower gear. If it's cold outside, it will raise the temperature so it can lower the windows a little bit so you can hear it. If you're in a convertible, it will warn you to, it'll tell you, hey, put the top down so you can hear the, like, the engine, which can you imagine pulling over, putting the top down, then going through, then putting the top back up? Ridiculous. But what was fascinating to me is that, like, this mode will come to existence for gas cars. That makes sense. They're also allegedly going to offer it for EVs. It'll do a similar thing, give you more EV noise before you get to a tunnel, which I think is ridiculous.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Nonetheless, this whole mode is very silly, but I think it is kind of cool. And if they do it, I'd like, I'd be pretty into it.

• 18:25Doug DeMuro?

  It's a fun idea. And you know, in this age of Teslas with the, you know, the fireplace and Ford pickups with the, the, the drawing pad and Mercedes with the, uh, air hockey in the screen. Like weird things like this are gonna be a thing. And so I'm, I'm happy that even the Germans are thinking up ways to be inventive and interesting. That goes beyond just function.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Yes, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's cute and it's fun and it, it works for the Porsche brand. You might call it a quirk. You might call it a quirk. I call it a quirk. As a quirk and feature guy, I love this stuff.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  The thing that they're missing, so whenever I see a tunnel, I do everything you said, but then you gotta yell something before and afterwards. So it's usually, fire in the hole! And then you drive through. And then I ask my passenger, did you enjoy the song of my people? Do you guys not do that? Like, just, you gotta like.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  If you ever wanted to know what it's like to ride with Nick in a car.

• 19:14Doug DeMuro?

  Fire in the hole!

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Fire in the hole.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  I do that for cold starts, too.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  His neighbors love him.

• 19:20Doug DeMuro?

  Do you actually yell "fire in the hole" before entering a tunnel?

• 19:24Speaker 04

  I mean, sometimes it's like, "Hey, watch this," or...

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  Is it only when you have a passenger, or is it when you're solo as well?

• 19:30Speaker 04

  If I'm in Wyoming, yeah, "Hold my beer."

• 19:33Speaker 03

  They'll drink and drive.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  One of the states that's legal.

• 19:35Doug DeMuro?

  That is not, I don't, I don't...

• 19:36Speaker 03

  None of them.

• 19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Mississippi for a long time, that was legal.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  Norlens, you can go, they have like drive-through slushy places.

• 19:42Doug DeMuro?

  But wait, when you don't have a passenger, do you still do this?

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Or do you call someone?

• 19:46Speaker 04

  No, you gotta, especially for the pa- it's for their benefit.

• 19:48Doug DeMuro?

  If you don't have a passenger, do you still do this?

• 19:51Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, I only heard like three of those words.

• 19:55Speaker 04

  Occasionally, I mean, I talk to myself, I sing to myself. You guys don't talk to yourselves?

• 19:59Speaker 03

  I do, but I don't yell "fire in the hole," and then...

• 20:02Speaker 04

  It gets you mentally ready to really enjoy it.

• 20:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, I'm sure it does. Okay, move on to the next news story, please.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Oh, Celine, this is one for you. So, Celine is coming out with a, another supercar.

• 20:12Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, wait, let's, let's, let's couch that. Celine claims they're coming out with the next...

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Right, yes, yes. Allegedly, in the future, maybe they've released a concept car, they're calling the S11. And this is their, their supercar they're supposedly going to come out with. Now, at the LeMay Museum in Tacoma, Washington, they actually have a clay model of this car. But the interesting thing is that they're asking people who go through the museum to have input on the design. So they have a bunch of elements that they think they want to put on the car. They're asking people to choose what they want on the car. So they're kind of crowdsourcing the design for this thing. So, if you want to have input on a Celine design...

• 20:49Doug DeMuro?

  Go to Seattle, dude.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  You can make a video, go to Seattle and have some input on what the S11 is gonna look like.

• 20:56Doug DeMuro?

  You are a Celine enthusiast.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I've got some thoughts.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  And a former owner.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  I love Celine, I desperately want to buy another one, I miss my XP8. The S7 is like one of my dream cars, money was no object, which it would need to be for that car. I would absolutely buy one. The companies had a hard time. They tried to expand and get a deal in China that went really south and almost bankrupt them. They were doing a lot of fundraising where they were hitting up everyone on their email list saying like, "Hey, invest in the future of Celine," and like, promising them stuff. It's gotten a little sad.

• 21:31Doug DeMuro?

  But don't you think that was kind of always the situation with Celine?

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Well, the 90s, they were like on top of the world and Tim Allen was racing with them.

• 21:38Doug DeMuro?

  But do you think they were? Do you know what I mean?

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Right. They were more financially solvent than they are as of late. So you do wonder. I mean, they had the S1. Do you remember that concept? Not more than a concept. It was a race series that they were trying to homologize.

• 21:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the S1 sports car in China.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  They never, they never got the budget to make it road legal, but there was maybe a couple dozen.

• 21:56Doug DeMuro?

  I remember the S5S.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  I don't remember that one.

• 21:59Doug DeMuro?

  That was, one year I was in Monterey and that was around.

• 22:02Speaker 04

  They started doing Teslas at one point, Chargers, Teslas with an S.

• 22:07Doug DeMuro?

  Why do people complain when we say that one?

• 22:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, me in particular. Yeah, so I, I hope, they've always had great styling. I love-

• 22:13Doug DeMuro?

  That is a cool looking car. You want to crowd source a supercar? Make it look like that.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  Very NSX looking.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  And I also wonder, like, if you're, so you're walking through your museum and you're giving feedback, like, is it like a little post note you put in there? Or is it like the bathroom? Like, "How clean is our bathroom?" Like, thumbs up, thumbs down, like?

• 22:28Speaker 03

  They have like a bunch of things that you can vote on as a participant. They're gonna be like, revealing these elements to people who are participating throughout the year. So you have like, time to do this.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm down for a little road trip if y'all want to go, but-

• 22:40Doug DeMuro?

  I do not.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  I, um, I worry. I hope this happens and I hope that they find their path forward, but-

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the, the simple reality is that creating a supercar, especially in today's environment, takes an enormous amount of effort unless you're gonna go EV, which case it won't succeed.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:56Doug DeMuro?

  So you can either create a gas one that's gonna be really hard to do, or you can create an EV which won't succeed.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  Those are your choices.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  We do not do this because it's easy. We do this because it is hard. So hopefully, hopefully they make a gas one.

• 23:07Doug DeMuro?

  You think Steve Salinas saying stuff like that?

• 23:09Speaker 03

  No, he would quote Kennedy, I'll tell you that.

• 23:11Doug DeMuro?

  What do you think of how this looks?

• 23:12Speaker 04

  That looks fine. I, I mean, I dig it. Oh, that would be his fee. He'd drive. He would take that road trip all the way up to Seattle to the

• 23:18Doug DeMuro?

  I dig it.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I dig it. These museum people, what are they gonna say? Like, they're not like automotive engineers or art students like

• 23:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's a thing.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Like, oh, make the rims bigger.

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty big.

• 23:30Speaker 04

  Well, that might be something they say.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Maybe you could give them that input.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Oh, they're gonna get a bunch of like trolley stuff like name it Bodie McBoatface.

• 23:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  You know, like, I, I, I don't think that's a great way to, to do this, but we get on to each their own.

• 23:43Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Give us our next news story, please.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Ah, a Jeep outside.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  I know. Well, speaking of fires, dumpster fires and regular, Jeep has a recall on 320,000 four by E models, which is their plug-in hybrids, uh, due to a fire risk and Jeep's official statement is park them outside just in case. Now, there's only been 19 incidents and one injury, so it hasn't like been majorly harmful. But anytime a plug-in EV is being said, don't park it indoors. Remember when that happened during the pandemic?

• 24:14Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. Chevy bolts and bolts and.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. So it's, it's as if it weren't bad enough for Stellantis and it weren't bad enough for the four by E model line in the Grand Cherokee. Now they're saying you can't park them in your garage.

• 24:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, recalls happen and, and don't park outside things happen. I mean, or.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  I mean, hell, who hasn't had?

• 24:32Doug DeMuro?

  Who hasn't had the car burn down the house?

• 24:35Speaker 04

  What, what's better? What's worse press, do you think? Saying, don't park your car inside or come to the Tacoma Automotive Museum and vote on your way to the bathroom.

• 24:45Doug DeMuro?

  This, the LeMay Museum is like the premier automotive museum in the world.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  I, I've never been to it, but I've heard of the Peterson.

• 24:53Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe aside from the Peterson, those two are like the automotive museums, number one. Number two, crowdsourcing a car from a finely tuned museum clientele is a reasonable way. How do you think the Honda Accord was born?

• 25:05Speaker 04

  They're all gonna be like, oh, remember when the Deville was out? That was so easy to get in and out of. Raise the ride height, make it a little cushier.

• 25:12Doug DeMuro?

  Kind of museum. It's cool. It's a cool museum.

• 25:15Speaker 04

  Bench seat in the front?

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Enthusiasts go to the museum. It makes sense that they would reach out to people.

• 25:19Doug DeMuro?

  This is bad press, but any recall is a recall is.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  It happens.

• 25:24Doug DeMuro?

  There's tons of recalls, tons, every car. The Kia guys yesterday, I went, I did.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  I'm just saying Jeep right now has a very bad reputation for the quality, especially in the Grand Cherokees. And saying, hey, it's, it's dangerous to park this in your garage is the last thing a normie wants to hear.

• 25:38Doug DeMuro?

  You know, to this day. I wish I had a new Grand Cherokee. I bought my Sequoia and what I really wanted was the new Grand Cherokee L. And the only reason I didn't buy the L. Okay, the L does have the third row. The only reason I didn't buy the L was because I was worried that it was gonna consistently strand me, which I still think is true.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Not a great thing with a new car. An old car, the Countach can be forgiven, but.

• 26:05Doug DeMuro?

  My view is, I've come to the conclusion that if it has four doors, it can't strand you. Two doors can strand you. Four doors, it's gotta be reliable. That's my rule now.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Interesting. In your life or just in the world?

• 26:19Doug DeMuro?

  Kind of in general. I think people in general are willing to give a bigger, wider berth to a two-door car because you're making a decision to be impractical to begin with. But the day you get a four-door car, you're looking for practicality. And if that thing strands you, you got a whole lot less patience for your four-door car.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  The E60 M5 has entered the chat.

• 26:39Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right. And honestly, I bet you there are a lot of sports cars that are just as unreliable as that car. But it doesn't get as much press because that car is supposed to be transportation. Whereas a two-door car is supposed to be enjoyment and an experience, which sometimes involves some temperamental behavior.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  I don't disagree with this take. Now, my four-door car has only stranded me twice, but.

• 27:03Doug DeMuro?

  Every one of my two-door cars has stranded me and none of my four-door cars have stranded.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  That's true. Well, mine, it was eight years, it 80,000 miles ago that it last stranded me. But still, your point is an interesting one.

• 27:14Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta keep going through news. The other Stellantis story is intended to take our minds off the first one.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, and Jeep might be having a hard time, but Ram is excited. They're ramming. And the hope is, now that EVs are dead and the internal combustion engine is thriving, they are introducing two new SRT models, one of which sadly will not have the 10-cylinder, but will be the revival of the SRT 10 Ram.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Damn, I was really hoping it was gonna have the V10.

• 27:43Doug DeMuro?

  It should. V10s are dead, dude.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  They're not.

• 27:46Doug DeMuro?

  They are dead. There is no way you're ever gonna get a V10 passed regulatory ever again. There will never be another V10. The Huracan is gone! It was replaced by a non.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  That's a V8, isn't it?

• 27:58Doug DeMuro?

  Is it really? The Tamarion was a V8. Yeah, they got rid of the V10. It's over.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  You didn't know this?

• 28:02Doug DeMuro?

  How did John Tamarian sign off on this? For his name's sake, vehicle for God's sake.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  But if they take out the V10, it's kind of an insult to the man.

• 28:13Doug DeMuro?

  I think regardless, the big part of this news story that is most appealing to me is it is being reported that both of these new Ram SRT models will debut in the next 90 days. This is like happening.

• 28:24Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, just throw a Hellcat in it. It's not that hard. Couple of cold ones. Did you see also, there's gonna be a Ram SUV, not a Dodge SUV, a Ram branded, like a Ram Charger style.

• 28:35Doug DeMuro?

  That makes sense.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  SUV in 2028.

• 28:37Doug DeMuro?

  That makes sense. Um, that makes sense. I think a lot of the Wagoneer clientele would have bought a Ram if it was available, if you know what I'm saying. Let me, let me rephrase. I think a lot of folks on their way, uh, to, to the, to the, to the pool hall in Texas, driving their Wagoneer, would have also had a Ram. You know what I'm saying?

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Well, plus they kind of messed up the Wagoneer name, so they kind of need like a do-over.

• 29:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and this will be that.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  It's like, what did, what did Theranos rebrand as? Like, that's kind of, they need that.

• 29:04Doug DeMuro?

  So obviously, no, I don't think Theranos, I think Theranos is just done.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  They're done.

• 29:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  They're taking the year off to find themselves.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, but her, her husband is now doing stuff. It's, it's a whole thing.

• 29:14Doug DeMuro?

  The other important thing about this is that the SRT Ram is gonna be a street truck. So the TRX, which is already a high-performance Ram, is an off-roadster.

• 29:23Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 29:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, but this is gonna be a street truck.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Imagine pulling up next to a Lobo and just looking down on them being like, huh.

• 29:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you say that, we hope. What if they don't do engine stuff?

• 29:36Speaker 04

  They've got to.

• 29:36Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I have a new Ram at my house right now. It's, I don't know if you want to check it out later, but I have a brand new Ram at my house and, uh, I, all I, all I did was move it. It was, the press car people parked it in one spot and it needed to be in another. And I simply tried to reverse it and it squealed the tires.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 29:54Doug DeMuro?

  I'm like, oh my God.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  All right, give us our next Ram SRT, very exciting, give us our next new story.

• 30:01Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, yes.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 30:02Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us about the Las Vegas Concorde.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  The Las Vegas Concorde just happened right before SEMA, your new story there. Insane turnout, so there was the largest gathering of Veyrons, or Vae's for short. One sold for a new record of 16.4, for I want to say 2.04 million. But just crazy, every kind of Veyron you could imagine. There was, my favorite, the Reventon, Reventon.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Reventon.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Reventon, yes. The Ten Geronarios, every special Lamborghini you can imagine.

• 30:35Doug DeMuro?

  Why didn't we go to this, Nick? How come we didn't know about this?

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Because it was in Vegas.

• 30:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. A lot of Vae's together is pretty cool, I gotta say. I still think the Vae is one of the all-time coolest cars ever manufactured at any point in the history of the automobile.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  It's also amazing to me, this many were functional and able to be there. It's not easy to get these cars around, I mean, they're notoriously difficult to own and service and all these things. But, they're all there.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Well, it makes sense, so the, when I was picking up or dropping my Bentley off two weeks ago, there was a Veyron out front that my guy was working on. It was there. I know Ed Bolian shipped his Veyron out to Vegas to get worked on before going there, so it seemed like all the owners kind of knew and were working months in advance to make sure the cars were ready.

• 31:14Doug DeMuro?

  It's like the Plymouth Prowler gathering that they do is somewhere in Indiana every year.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Slightly different tax.

• 31:21Doug DeMuro?

  Slightly different, yeah. Things were a little different, but it's sort of like that. You bring your Prowler trailer, you bring your Veyron.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  You know, it does almost look like an era, like on a GTA server.

• 31:33Doug DeMuro?

  One drawback of this and one big reason not to attend was the Lamborghini Veneno was there, which is of course the ugliest car ever made.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 31:40Doug DeMuro?

  No?

• 31:40Speaker 04

  Disagreed.

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  The Veneno, you don't think it's ugly?

• 31:43Speaker 04

  Pull up a picture of it. It's polarizing, I'll give you that. I don't think it's the ugliest.

• 31:47Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the polls are ugliest car ever made, and then no one is in the other poll. It's that Stradman.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  Long swoopy. I kind of like the front.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  The red one is really...

• 31:55Doug DeMuro?

  Scroll down, there's some really bad photos of it out in the world.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  You guys are crazy.

• 31:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, dude, it's so bad and the wheels are so, like, lattable.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  I mean, that one looks a little too Dubai spec, but...

• 32:03Doug DeMuro?

  It's like you're making fun of your customers. It really looks like that to me.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, it does.

• 32:08Doug DeMuro?

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• 33:34Doug DeMuro?

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• 34:06Speaker 04

  I, you know, I didn't really read this article closely. However, it got debuted. I just think it's really cute. It would be a great multiple replacement in 25 years. Uh, if EVs are gonna say- succeed, something like this could work as just like a commuter car, a basic get around town.

• 34:20Doug DeMuro?

  The Twingo, it's hard to really overstate the impact the Twingo had, I don't know, when it, in the early 90s. You still go to Europe and you still see them everywhere. They are still beloved in Europe. Never really got that much love in the United States, but they are still beloved in Europe. Europeans still talk about the original 90s Twingo as like, almost like the Volkswagen Beetle of the 90s. And this car, this is an electric concept car, really does kind of carry on the, the look as sort of like an EV city car. It would make sense for Renault to bring back the beloved Twingo.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Of course it won't be offered here, I don't suspect, but.

• 34:51Doug DeMuro?

  Nah, we don't get that French stuff.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  It's funny now that I have a multiply, everyone sends me articles about the Aventine.

• 34:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  And how it'll be legal in like a year and all that is.

• 35:00Doug DeMuro?

  But do you agree?

• 35:01Speaker 04

  Pretty cool.

• 35:02Doug DeMuro?

  Should we move on to the talk cars segment for this topic?

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Yes, we can move on to the.

• 35:06Doug DeMuro?

  The talk cars segment, is, is that the one sponsored?

• 35:08Speaker 03

  That's the sponsored segment. Yes.

• 35:11Doug DeMuro?

  Pilote, Nick, get up on the table like a.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  I don't want to break anything. These are, oh no, I'm gonna leg crap my eyes every time.

• 35:18Doug DeMuro?

  We are sponsored.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  The price tag on them.

• 35:20Doug DeMuro?

  The talk car segment. The spot car segment is sponsored by Pilote, who makes shoes. And I gotta tell you something, we got a lot of stuff we say, we don't say, I don't know. I don't know the rules, but someone gave me a pair of these shoes, I think it was Pilote themselves. And anyway, we did a drive this week and I wore the shoes and they are fantastic. I love them. They're really good on your, like perfect size on your feet. They have this roll control heels, so you can like swivel it to make downshifting easier.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Did you find it like, I mean, because.

• 35:51Doug DeMuro?

  I loved the shoe.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  For your cars, it's hard to find shoes that are narrow enough to fit in most of the pedal boxes, the Countach in particular.

• 35:56Doug DeMuro?

  I haven't tried them in the Countach yet, although I don't really consider that to be a driver's car where you'd wear a driver's shoe. But we took the Carrera GT out, loved the shoe, absolutely loved the shoe. And it looks good. Nick, show us again.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Cramp up one more time.

• 36:09Doug DeMuro?

  Bring it out here.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  There you go. These ones, these are my dress Pilotes and then I have a casual.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  I was, I got a picture of, I, we stopped on, on our drive and I did the Captain Morgan's thing with my foot on the top of the windshield. I was pretty proud of that, so.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  It was a little crazy thing.

• 36:26Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna be honest, I had never heard of Pilote until they started sponsoring this podcast. I don't know if this is one of those where we're like, "Oh, we've been using them for years." But either way, I hadn't heard of them until they gave us some shoes. I tried them and I thought they were really, really excellent. So, that's my actual honest take. Anyway, visit piloti.com, use the code carsandbids for 15% off. Here's an actual sponsor that we like and enjoy and use and want to experience. But now we have to talk about the Talk Cars segment and specifically, let's just start with the Multipla and like, let's get it out of the way. Let's just get it out of the way.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  There's not a lot to say there.

• 36:59Doug DeMuro?

  That's, and that's the problem.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  You borrowed it.

• 37:01Doug DeMuro?

  I borrowed the Multipla. My Carrer GT broke down. That's one of the other topics. But I, when that happened, I borrowed the Multipla and, um...

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that's the thing. With the A-Class and the A2 and the Multipla, they all look really cool, but they're very pedestrian, normal, boring, slow.

• 37:23Doug DeMuro?

  When I brought over the A-Class, within an hour of driving it, I realized I had made a mistake, namely that I dropped $16,000 into it, um, because it was horribly boring. And when the A2 Multipla thing happened, I specifically told everybody at Cars and Bids, "I'm not doing it. I'm not putting up my money. I'm not storing it at my house. I want nothing to do with this car." They bought it anyway. You bought the Multipla and quickly we have all discovered.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. They, they wear out fast. They're not, they're not a very dynamic car. It's slow. I mean, I still find it very useful and practical. Like, I, I use it as a means to get from point A to point B. And it is nice that a lot of people have fun reactions to it.

• 38:04Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  At least the Multipla looks weird. So, that, that gives you some enjoyment of like, "Hey, I'm driving a literal clown car."

• 38:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  But, just driving it, it's a little boring.

• 38:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's a little boring and I think that's kind of the reality. And that's what I learned with the A-Class and that's why I'll never do this again. Is, the, the thing you don't want, and this was true of my RS2, you don't want a car that looks cool, but isn't really.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  You want a car that looks cool and is cool? Because if the looks are the only cool thing about it, you know, this is also some relationship advice.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  I was just thinking that, yeah.

• 38:37Doug DeMuro?

  I'm sure you were. If, if looks are the only thing, it's not enough.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  Yep, it's what's on the inside that counts.

• 38:44Doug DeMuro?

  It's both. Like, I want a car that looks cool and drives well.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, brother.

• 38:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. I want a car that looks cool and drives well, but like, those little Euro hatchbacks, which we've now experienced, the big three. And the Alvin team, which you brought up, I suspect.

• 39:01Speaker 04

  It's gonna fall into that category.

• 39:04Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think?

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Oh, for sure, for sure.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  Great greenhouse, a lot of glass. It's a people transporter, like, it's not built for driving dynamic.

• 39:13Doug DeMuro?

  The most powerful motor was a 3.0 liter V6 with up to 210 horses.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Oh, two.

• 39:18Doug DeMuro?

  But remember, it's minivan sized. It's a minivan coupe.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:22Doug DeMuro?

  I just think, like, people are gonna bring this in, like, we brought in our stuff, and they're gonna be, oh, this is so cool, and, and, but, like, deep down inside, they're gonna know.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  I think it's like your S-Cargo, it would be great to promote a business, because it attracts a lot of eyeballs. If you did, like, pizza delivery or something, super fuel efficient.

• 39:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  If you truly just needed, like, a reliable point A to point B, it is a diesel and it gets great fuel economy. There are use cases for it, but if you're like, hey, I wanna go for a nice drive, like, eh, it's probably not the keys, like, you'd wanna pick up.

• 39:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there are use cases for it.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  And as a $13,000 car, okay, that, that changes it a little bit, like, you have to compare it to that price point.

• 40:02Doug DeMuro?

  You do, I will say, you're adding some complications, like parts finding and that kind of thing, which you wouldn't have to if you just bought a Sentra. You know, and I, I just, I will not be importing an Alvin team. I, I did this, I did the A-Class, we all got together and did these. I'm, I'm out. You wanna do an Alvin team, you do it, I promise you, it ain't worth it.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  There, there are worse uses of 13 grand, like, you could buy an IPO of Celine. For 13 grand and not get a whole lot back.

• 40:29Doug DeMuro?

  Like driving around in the in the multipla, it's like kind of a fun little point A to point B.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:35Doug DeMuro?

  It's just not actually fun.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 40:38Doug DeMuro?

  So.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Well, OK, so what's the deal? Are you done with this?

• 40:42Speaker 04

  No, well, we're gonna do an adventure series, I'm told. That'll be fun. So we'll film that.

• 40:47Doug DeMuro?

  But then it's over.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  I am actively shopping for its replacement already. Sadly, the R63, which we can save for top cars, somewhat significantly exceeded my budget, so I did not.

• 40:59Doug DeMuro?

  That was an astonishing. Pull that up.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  I wasn't able to.

• 41:02Doug DeMuro?

  Last week on the show, Nick went on this big thing about how he wanted an R63.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  I know, I hyped it.

• 41:06Doug DeMuro?

  To match, yeah, to match his SLR. So we had this one on the site. It sold for $64,500, which was, I mean, short of when they were brand new and slightly depreciated. This was a record, right? Like the bring the trailer hasn't had anything like this.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Bring the trailer number.

• 41:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's what we call it.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  I came up with that. We're sticking with it.

• 41:28Doug DeMuro?

  So 64.5. So now we worry that the R63 is kind of gone.

• 41:33Speaker 04

  Well, this one was an outlier in that it was low mileage.

• 41:37Doug DeMuro?

  But that's what you'd want.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  It's what you want, but I would say there will be gettable ones for less than this because this is the nicest one that's transacted.

• 41:45Doug DeMuro?

  But let's try to learn a lesson here. Let's try to learn a lesson from the Bentley, right? Let's try to get a nice one.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  There's, there's, this is, it's not a one or a zero. There's a whole scale and spectrum here. So I don't want a zero. I don't need the 1.0 like. Like I'm good with like a point four to point six.

• 42:07Doug DeMuro?

  What do you, where would you count the Bentley on this scale?

• 42:10Speaker 04

  It was like a point two and I think I've gotten it to like a point five.

• 42:13Doug DeMuro?

  I think you've got it from a point two to a point three.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  The problem is so David Nutley, who's working on it now, worked on them new. And he said, oh yeah, they were, when they were brand new in 2002, we had all sorts of issues with it, like factory fresh.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  You know, Nick, we knew this. Everybody knew this.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  He's pissed. Dude.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  I can't believe he's like, he's like surprised. Go back and watch the reaction.

• 42:33Doug DeMuro?

  Rubbing it in. We deserve to rub it in. We get. That benefit now.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz you're like, oh, it's not that bad. It's great. I love this car. And now here we are. They came home to roost like the chickens.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  So the multiplier, I think, might get replaced. I'm now a Mercedes guy. We're Ben's boys together.

• 42:48Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean we? I mean, I got a G-Wagon. Filippo's got an E-Class station wagon. I got an E-Class station wagon also.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  I'm leaving into the Historics now.

• 42:56Doug DeMuro?

  It is ironic that people have always accused me of being a Porsche guy when I've had like 38. I can't stop buying Mercedes-Benz. And now look at us. We're a Mercedes-Benz group. We've all got Mercedes-Benz.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. So an R63 feels to me like, like a good multiplier. Like it has a third row. So it's very practical. It's got a ton of power. I could maybe manual swap this cuz I'm not sure I'm gonna do the SLR manual swap anymore. So.

• 43:19Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean you're not sure? You were never gonna do it. You just typed that up for your YouTube channel. So you could get more followers than Johnny Lieberman.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  I have wasted a lot of time of various shops. It's, I'm still somewhat interested. I just don't, I don't hate the auto as much. Then I'm talking to DC Motorworks, Ed Bullions guys, about maybe doing a TCU tune on the SLR. As sort of a stopgap.

• 43:40Doug DeMuro?

  Let it be.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  Ken and I, we mod things, alright?

• 43:45Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna talk about the Courage GT which broke down.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  You got a TCU tune, don't you?

• 43:50Speaker 03

  No, uh-uh. I don't believe so.

• 43:52Doug DeMuro?

  He didn't need it?

• 43:53Speaker 03

  I don't need it cuz I just.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  Just the lowering module.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  When you get to my level of torque, you'll understand. You just kinda point it on a straight line. You breathe on the throttle and you let it go. You don't really need that right there.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  I regret this entire podcast.

• 44:07Doug DeMuro?

  Oh man, the dude spent one tenth of what you spent.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  And he can do this forever.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it is what it is.

• 44:14Doug DeMuro?

  I remember when the SLR was around and then it was during the SLR's run that they came out with the SL65. And I remember as a kid thinking, I don't understand. Like, the SL65 is now, it's got the same power and it's a V12. It doesn't make any sense. And it makes even a little less sense now that the price differential, it used to be like this and now it's like this.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, like that more like, but it's about how, it is about how they drive. It's been a long time since I've driven an SLR, but they will be very different, I suspect. We'll see. We'll do a comparison, you and I.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  They better be different.

• 44:49Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna be real.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  He's afraid how much he's gonna like it.

• 44:51Doug DeMuro?

  I drove the SLR. It is a pretty well put together thing, despite what all the internet nut swingers say. Uh, okay. Swinging them. Okay, I want to talk about the Courage GT breakdown. Yeah, let's be honest. Down over the weekend. The Countach broke down two weeks ago and then on a Saturday, and I missed a child's birthday party, not my own, but a child, uh, because I was waiting for the toe and dealing with all that. And then the Courage GT broke down this week.

• 45:18Doug DeMuro?

  And I guess I'll do a video about it. I don't know. It's getting fixed right now. It's nothing major, but I, I, instead of getting in depth about what happened, I, I will say I am reminded about why I was off cars.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Yes. Look, but the inconveniences are minor. Those cars have been two, those cars have been very solid in your ownership period, except for these two little things. Like it does happen. They're old cars. Like it does happen, but here's the thing. But this is what will happen. You'll give it a little bit of time. You'll come back to it and be like, this is the greatest thing I've ever done.

• 45:50Doug DeMuro?

  It is, and I still think the Courage GT is the greatest car ever made. I truly believe that. Um, especially because I got to drive it back to back with the SLR. And when you do that, hmm.

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• 46:31Doug DeMuro?

  Hate your mouth. But. Deep regret. Uh, but I am reminded about, you know.

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  I am, you know, kind of an obsessive way. I like trying to make sure I spend every possible second I can with my family, my children. And losing what ended up being three hours on one Saturday and another three hours on another Saturday, uh, not really what I'm looking for. And, uh, it, it haven't touched one of the sports cars since. The Countach is back, haven't driven it. Ford GT has been just sitting. Uh, Carrera GT, when it comes back, will be sitting, maybe here.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  You think why this, this is why so many people get all the cars that they've always dreamed of, and then they just sit and rot. They just can't be inconvenienced to maintain them.

• 47:13Doug DeMuro?

  Because when you have a fleet of 20, it's even that much harder.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's, it's every weekend.

• 47:17Doug DeMuro?

  And because, yeah, and because I think the cars do break your heart. They do break down. They do this and that. And you don't want to be a part of it. And so you're like, I want to have it, but I don't necessarily want to be around that. So I just park it. And then eventually these collections kind of thin out. And everybody's like, why is he selling his car? Well, because he doesn't want to, he's old. He doesn't want to deal with this BS anymore.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  It is funny because like, in order to have the cars, you do have to be older in age to afford them usually. And that coincides with a season of life that means you're much busier with kids. So like, the dream of when you're young versus the reality, the boys of, was it the clothes of the boy don't fit the man?

• 47:49Doug DeMuro?

  It would have been fun, you know, when you're, when you're 23, you like need a headache. Like you just, in your life, you like need a headache. Like you should go buy a Facebook Marketplace, bad whatever, and like,

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Bug I S T I.

• 48:02Doug DeMuro?

  Learn cars that way.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 48:04Doug DeMuro?

  And, and break down a couple of times and have to go on a flatbed or learn to fix it or whatever. Like that's how I, you know, that's how I did it when I was that age. When you're 37 and you've paid quite a bit of money for some of these cars, I, I get that that happens and whatever, but twice in two weeks was a tough, uh, tough hit. And I, for years was been like, I'm off cars, I'm off cars. You guys made fun of me. And now I'm reminded why. It's not even about these cars. It's why I don't want to add more. Because another car is another set of tires to keep track of, another battery, another oil change. Yeah, maybe, you know what I should do? I should get a 993 twin turbo and sell all the other cars.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  No, you're not gonna do that. What you're gonna do is buy an old Porsche and add that to your list of headaches.

• 48:49Speaker 04

  I would say, you know, the ancient school of, of Stoicism would say, to reframe every obstacle as an opportunity. So every time the Bentley breaks down, I say, great, free car storage. And it sits at a mechanic for a couple of weeks. I don't have to worry about where I'm gonna park it.

• 49:05Doug DeMuro?

  It is nice.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  It can't break down again when it's already at the mechanic, so it doesn't get worse.

• 49:09Doug DeMuro?

  The sad part about that is the car that I that I wish was out of my garage the most would be the G-Wagon, because then I can bring the Countach down.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:15Doug DeMuro?

  Because the Countach only fits above the G-Wagon, essentially. And, um, but the G is never broken. So I never get to see the Countach. It's always just up. Like, I see the outline of the bumper. It's just sad.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  It's a shame we don't have a car wizard or like Jay Leno's guy. We just, we need our own mechanic. That's...

• 49:32Doug DeMuro?

  That would be nice.

• 49:32Speaker 04

  Can you fit that on your payroll here?

• 49:34Doug DeMuro?

  No.

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• 51:16Speaker 04

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• 51:17Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to talk about, speaking of the Carrera GT breaking down, the day after the Carrera GT broke down, I was completely off cars and yet nonetheless, I decided to attend a party about cars. Nick, take it away. I hope we have photos of this party.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  We do, including the cake that my wife spent like a week obsessing over every detail. So I was, my birthday was two weeks ago now, and then the car also came around that time. And so we decided to have an SLR party, but it was also a bit of a belated birthday party.

• 51:46Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that's not how it was pitched to me. But anyway.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  We called it an SLR party, but it felt indulgent just to celebrate the car. So we called it both in my head.

• 51:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  But we had SLR trivia, of which y'all did pretty well.

• 51:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  We had an SLR cake. The SLR was parked prominently.

• 52:02Doug DeMuro?

  One of the trivia questions was, what's the top speed of the SLR? And I raised my hand and guessed 208 miles an hour and I was told I was wrong. Someone else raised their hand and guessed 207 miles an hour and that person was apparently correct.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  We said it was Price is Right rules. Sorry, that was very clear up front.

• 52:16Doug DeMuro?

  We had like been looking at it the previous day online.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  I do think despite how degenerate this car group is, having a party each time someone gets a new car is kind of a fun little tradition.

• 52:26Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not doing that.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:27Doug DeMuro?

  There's too many cars.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  We can scale it up. Like if you get a multiplier, we're all gonna meet at In-N-Out Burger. And if you get like a nice car, we can go to like Ruth's Chris or something.

• 52:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, one thing, we did the SSLR party, everyone came. It was the talk of San Diego County.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  It was.

• 52:43Doug DeMuro?

  We all drove to Nick's cul-de-sac and we filled it up with cars. We filled it up with, it was hard to dodge all the driveways, but we filled it up with cars, all of us did. And I brought the second most powerful Mercedes Benz, my E450 All-Terrain.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  Yes, I did not bring my Mercedes Benz, so I didn't have the title of the most powerful. I took my M5 instead. I had other things.

• 53:08Doug DeMuro?

  The children came, there were.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  It was great.

• 53:11Doug DeMuro?

  There were kids' crafts for some reason.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  It was a highlight of the year for me. Like, all of my friends and their families together, celebrating the SLR. I mean, you can't.

• 53:20Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, I was walking out of the party and I realized I hadn't actually seen the SLR at any point during the party.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  No, it was in, you know, the garage.

• 53:27Doug DeMuro?

  It was a backyard party in there. Yeah, very, very sweet party, brought to us by Nick's wife, who I don't think we're allowed to name, but whoever she is.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  She, she, she watches the pot.

• 53:37Doug DeMuro?

  She watches the pot.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  It's really fun and, and like, it's really easy to go into the trope of like, making fun of your wife or people that don't get the car hobby, but like, it was like, above anything, like, her gesture of, "I'm throwing you a party, like, I'm that supportive of your car hobby and, and the fact that you are degenerate."

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  That is so true.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  It was sweet.

• 53:55Doug DeMuro?

  So many of these guys I meet, my wife would never let me.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  The old ball and chain.

• 53:59Doug DeMuro?

  The old ball and chain, boomer humor, you know? But Nick over here, not only does his wife support it, she threw him a party with a cake that I'm sure we've shown.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  She actually loves the SLR too, because it's more usable than the Mercy and we got like, a functioning roof and the heat works better, like, the quality she looks for in a car, the SLR does have to be slightly better than the Mercy. So, all I need left on her is to get her to yell, "Fire in the hole!" every time we go through a tunnel.

• 54:25Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  She's a patient woman.

• 54:27Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta move on to the market report, which is brought to you, it's supposed to be brought to you by Cars and Bids, but the market report is actually brought to you by the 993 Twin Turbo. A USA 993 Twin Turbo in arena red. Folks, stop sending me euros. Stop sending me, someone the other day sent me one that was bone stock and the pictures.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Did it have an aftermarket headlight solution?

• 54:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's, it's, if you're in, if you think, like, Nick, like how Nick would have thought of bone stock back in the day when he modded that TTR.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  Only wheels and exhaust, a lowered kit, aftermarket shifter.

• 54:58Doug DeMuro?

  Bone stock!

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Different steering wheel, seat, race point.

• 55:01Doug DeMuro?

  This is how, this is how the supra community is. I want a Mark IV Turbo also. And I look at the supra community and people are like, "Bone stock," and you look at the list of mods on a bone stock car. But relative to what some people do in the community, that is bone stock, you know?

• 55:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's like how it's viewed. Right.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  It's like how my Mormon friends and colleagues drink Bang Energy drinks because they can't have coffee. You know, it's like, okay, it's a loophole.

• 55:26Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think that that's.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  That's how.

• 55:29Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think that's. That's not the point we're making here at all.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  The OEM plus mods don't count as mods.

• 55:35Doug DeMuro?

  Huh.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  It's the same. It's like Bang Energy drink to your coffee.

• 55:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. But anyway, the market report is brought to you by the 993 Twin Turbo. For all of our friends out there, including Nick's friends in the Mormon community. Uh, find me a 993 Twin Turbo USA car. Okay, the first thing I want to talk about, we already discussed the R63. Can we talk about the Aztec? Pull up the Aztec.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. This is on my list, too.

• 55:54Doug DeMuro?

  I almost featured this. I probably should.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:56Doug DeMuro?

  But now we're talking about it. I can fix that.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Could you feature it now?

• 55:58Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, there is an Aztec on the site. Aztec is a meme car. We know it's a meme car. Wow. There is an Aztec on the site. How many miles? Five?

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:06Doug DeMuro?

  I think that's right. It's got 5201 owner miles. Fifty-two. The Aztec is a meme car, but if you ever wanted to spend a lot of money on a meme car.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Speaking of the multiple experience, here you go.

• 56:19Doug DeMuro?

  This is unbelievable. It's so nice.

• 56:22Speaker 04

  And I know you probably prefer the body cladding ones.

• 56:26Doug DeMuro?

  Vastly.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  I strongly prefer the paint matched.

• 56:28Doug DeMuro?

  To be clear, the paint matched ones were way more attractive.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:31Doug DeMuro?

  But the part of the fun of the Aztec is its heinous.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 56:35Doug DeMuro?

  And the cladding, which O1 was O1 only, the cladding, the cladding ones fit the profile more.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  I've always wanted one of these after the Car Bros, which I can't find anymore, but he brought a fake Enzo to the quail.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  I wanted to do this and make it an Urus. So put the Lambo wheels and Lambo badges, but.

• 56:53Doug DeMuro?

  It looks.

• 56:54Speaker 04

  The yellow, especially the paint match lowers.

• 56:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Really looks like an Urus.

• 56:57Doug DeMuro?

  It looks a lot like an Urus. No matter what, people, I love the Urus. Yeah, well, it's a Pontiac Aztec, so do what you will.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  With the right wheels and like some.

• 57:05Doug DeMuro?

  You could really.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  Vinyl wrap.

• 57:06Doug DeMuro?

  If you were willing to spend money on some good reps, you could like.

• 57:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:09Doug DeMuro?

  Get close. Go back to the Aztec.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  Wouldn't that be incredible?

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  I want to see the interior of this Aztec. Have you thoroughly looked at this listing?

• 57:15Speaker 04

  Not, not on the inside.

• 57:16Doug DeMuro?

  The interior is wild. I've spent some time in Aztecs over the year.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  I'm sure.

• 57:21Doug DeMuro?

  And no GM interior aged this well. They've even got the cooler, which by the way, is my actual beach cooler that I use to this day on the. They've got it in the car.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Doug is the kind of guy.

• 57:32Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe how nice this is.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:34Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know if there's anyone really willing to be... Oh, wait, go back to the cooler. What is this?

• 57:37Speaker 03

  I think that's just the protection that they put on top of it.

• 57:40Doug DeMuro?

  I don't have that on mine.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  Well, you don't care as much about it.

• 57:42Doug DeMuro?

  Nobody, nobody is willing to spend this kind of money on a meme car, but God, if you were ever gonna... This is the best... I feel comfortable in saying this is the nicest Aztec in the world. It's gotta be. It, it isn't like one of those, like, there's a billion Camrys, so there's probably one nicer. They only made a few of these. Nobody saved them. Yeah.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  You think the Lane Motor Museum's gonna bid on this one? Because they should.

• 58:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  It belongs in a museum.

• 58:04Doug DeMuro?

  No, the, the place in Tacoma. LeMay.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  LeMay.

• 58:07Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Kennan, tell us about the 512TR.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Yes, so we recently... I love the 512TR. These cars have been on a run recently. Um, they, I think people are realizing how much nicer they are than the standard Testerosa. But this further underscores that point. This car had a ton of miles on it. We talked about it briefly last week. I believe 74,400 miles, and it sold for 195.

• 58:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  It feels like a big number for a car with that kind of miles. It's also a Euro, which they're just worth less than the US cars, generally speaking, because you can't register in California, all those things. But nonetheless, I mean, this car sold for serious money.

• 58:40Doug DeMuro?

  You know, as a person who's been talking up Countach and talking down Testerosa for many years, it has been interesting for me to watch the 512TR and that 512M completely break away from the Testerosa. Yeah. The market does not view this car as relevant to the Testerosa market.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  It isn't. They're dramatically different cars. It drives so much better.

• 59:00Doug DeMuro?

  And you know, I drove one a while ago. It's different.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  It's better.

• 59:05Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know that it's 3X different, but...

• 59:07Speaker 03

  Also, don't forget, like, we started to talk about production numbers, like, the Testerosa, they made a ton of 512TR.

• 59:12Doug DeMuro?

  It also looks way better.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  Way better, yeah.

• 59:14Doug DeMuro?

  Including the F512M, which looks the best.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Woo, woo. Well, there's a, there's an incorrect take. Um, but, but the, the 5... I was talking to our friend Edison today about this. The F512M is a perfect example of what a company does when they have no clue what to do. They like, they could not move on to the next thing yet, like, the 550, and they just were like, one last thing, so they just threw the book at it. That's what happens when you crowdsource styling. You end up with an F512TR.

• 59:39Doug DeMuro?

  A great list of cars would be... Cars that got facelifted at the very end of their production run in order to fit them in with the rest of the model line. And so there was only like a year or two of the facelift and the F511 is one. The uh oh three oh four uh disco, the Land Rover Discovery, they facelifted the very end to match the Range Rover, even though it was the very end. Yeah, I mean, the smile on the front end and the wheels, still the greatest OE wheels of all time.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  They are good looking. They're elements of the car that are cool, but in its totality, good.

• 1:00:09Doug DeMuro?

  Regardless, great 512 TR number and further proof that the market really believes the 512 TR is a very special car. The Testerosa is a desirable car. It's cool, but it's never really blown up in value ever. And I don't know that it ever will. This is.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Maybe, may I also posit that it's further proof that driving your cars isn't as expensive in terms of the hit you'll take on resale as you might think.

• 1:00:33Doug DeMuro?

  True.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  This is a lot of miles.

• 1:00:35Doug DeMuro?

  Comes when the Porsche dealer calls and says that you need a new starter motor and it's going to be seven grand.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:00:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's the expense.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  That's how much. The world of engine out Ferrari service, seven grand is a layup.

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's exactly right. I wonder how many engine outs this car has had.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  I've really thought about that and you have to imagine it's at least 15. If it's done correctly, it's probably about.

• 1:00:53Doug DeMuro?

  Europe, though, they do it less. That's like a thing on Ferrari chat. Like the Europeans like do it less and don't even think it has to be done as much and drive the cars more. This is a Euro. I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been out 15 times, but it's been out.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  It's been out probably 10. I would not be surprised.

• 1:01:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, how old's the car? It's 92?

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  93 and 74,000 miles. You're supposed to do every 5,000 miles. So if it's unproper, it should be around that number.

• 1:01:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I bet it's been out six.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

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• 1:03:02Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about Edison's Boxster. We got a 986, it's not live yet, but it'll be live when this goes up. We got a 986 Boxster S live right now. Great car. That particular car is a 986 Boxster. It is a used car that has a couple of foibles. But you know, I was driving that car and I was just reminded by what a great value these cars are.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, they are. Yeah, I'm still not opposed to the idea of having one at some point, just to like mess around with for a little bit.

• 1:03:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's a toss-around car and I actually kind of, the S's are great and the one that I reviewed is going to sell well, but the base for eight grand.

• 1:03:39Doug DeMuro?

  You know, you could really just kind of toss around that car to the point where you destroy it and the parts will probably get you back the money, you know? You can just really beat on this thing and rag on it, and they were kind of designed for that. I just find these cars to be tremendously fun for the money. Really, really fun cars.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  I agree. I think in a lot of, I mean. Any Miata's have come back down in value, but for a time, like, these were less expensive than any Miata's. And you're driving around in a Porsche. Admittedly, it's a boxer, but still, like, it's...

• 1:04:05Doug DeMuro?

  If you got 10, if you got 10 and you end up with a Z4, a Z3, instead of this, you're making a mistake.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  If you're young and you want to not, if you want to be like what Doug said, buy an interesting sports car while you're young.

• 1:04:16Doug DeMuro?

  And have a headache.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  And have a headache. Well, I don't really even think that bad of one.

• 1:04:20Doug DeMuro?

  No, but you'll learn how to work on a car and what cars, things cost and all that.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Oh, it's a German.

• 1:04:24Doug DeMuro?

  Stuff will break.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  It's a German car. You're gonna learn. But this is a good place to start.

• 1:04:27Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  96 bucks.

• 1:04:29Doug DeMuro?

  Look at that. That one looks so good. There's a lot of them. And there's some cool specs.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  That does look nice. I like it. We saw that yellow one recently. I really think it, well, not that one, but...

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  I'm over the Euro side marker.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:04:40Doug DeMuro?

  Keep it on.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Save the DOT.

• 1:04:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'm over it.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 1:04:43Doug DeMuro?

  I'm over it.

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  Save the, oh, look at red. I think it looks nice. Ah.

• 1:04:46Doug DeMuro?

  Look at my Euro side marker. Uh, okay, we gotta move on to questions, questions, questions, questions, questions, questions, which are brought to you by Pilote. Pilote doesn't actually sponsor the question segment, but we love Pilote enough that they are sponsoring the question segment today.

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  But shoes come in pairs and there are two, so this is the second segment.

• 1:05:01Doug DeMuro?

  That's sweet.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

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• 1:05:03Doug DeMuro?

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• 1:05:10Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, questions are brought to you by Pilote or Kenan or Nick. Nick's YouTube channel.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  Or the SL65, it's torque.

• 1:05:16Doug DeMuro?

  You can ask us, yeah. The SL65 brings us the Earth's rotation.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  That's, it does, if I'm not careful.

• 1:05:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you too can ask us a question, and you should. The questions were great this week. We can't even get told and they're great. But you too can ask us a question. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab, and there's a post there in this car pod community where you can ask a question and we will read your question on the air if it's good. Lot of good ones this week, starting with some aimed at Kenan. Liberty asks, "In the first episode of 25, Kenan made the New Year's resolution to spend no more than $2,000 on his E39 M5. At the end of April, we got an update where he said he had spent $837 on that, uh, on the M5. In that episode, Kennan also states that his resolution was to spend no more than $2,500, so he snuck in an extra 500." It sounds like Emily has a new screen now.

• 1:06:06Doug DeMuro?

  Since then, we've had no update. Ken, it's November. How much have you spent on the E39 in 25?

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  So far, I think it's 1347.

• 1:06:14Doug DeMuro?

  What was the other thing beyond the 837?

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Uh, I did an oil change. It went back up for a... I have this weird issue with the AC where it like, when it's on, it makes this like whirring sound. But we can't figure out what it is. We replaced the belts and tensioners a couple of times and still getting it. And I've done the compressor in the past, like recently. So it's not that. So we're still trying to figure that out. I did a couple of little minor things. I bought bushings for the, uh, the power steering reservoir. A couple of little things. I mean, really little things, but generally speaking, car has been rock solid. Has not needed anything as I predicted. I'm confident.

• 1:06:49Doug DeMuro?

  You know, don't tell Joseph Smith this, but his Bang Energy drink is that he got a gift card for service from all of his friends for his birthday and he used that gift card. So that was another $800 you gotta add.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Is that true?

• 1:07:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's true. I, I, you and I both tipped in for this gift card.

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  For the tinted windows. It was like a zillion dollars and I had to spend like most of it.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. No, I, I match you dollar for dollar, but thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rest of them, the rest of them tipped out.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  Admittedly, I, I did use that, but then I also then spent more money with Kevin. So like.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a minute. So what was the Kevin money? Add that in.

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was all, I don't remember what it was.

• 1:07:26Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we need a real update. Come back next week with an update. You don't have to include the gift card because I have a suspicion you wouldn't have done that if we hadn't given you the gift card right away.

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  Correct, correct.

• 1:07:34Doug DeMuro?

  So that doesn't really count. Uh, I'm not even going to mention the Joseph Smith reference. We're going to move on.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  You like that? You like that?

• 1:07:44Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, but there are going to be some angry people in Utah and Nevada.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  I'll come with an update, but I honestly feel like it's, I'm, I'm right there. I'm, I'm doing well so far.

• 1:07:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that happens right up until your starter motor fails.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Luckily I replaced that already. Hit me with no, what do you think?

• 1:07:59Doug DeMuro?

  That happens right up until your distributor fails.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Doesn't have a distributor.

• 1:08:03Doug DeMuro?

  You get my point. You get the point I'm making. I thought I was okay. I'll tell you this, Ken. I, I have a new year's resolution. It's still 25. I got a new year's resolution. None of my big three get into the shop in 26. None. In all of 26. The Countach, the Ford GT and the Carrera GT. None of them go to the shop in 26.

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  Put money on that?

• 1:08:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, absolutely not. But that's my goal. That's my dream.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  It's good to have a goal.

• 1:08:27Doug DeMuro?

  The Carrera GT and the Countach will have just had a big service at the end of 25. I'm gonna stretch them until 26. And the Ford GT, I have a goal that it doesn't go back in the shop until next fall, two years from now.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  Unlikely.

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  Unlikely. Ford GT will be. Ford GT did two years between the last service. It is, it does.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  Do you need to get smog next year?

• 1:08:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, for the Ford GT and the Carrera GT need smog next year. But.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  Ford GT is going back to the shop.

• 1:08:52Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, the shop doesn't need to smog the Ford. What do you mean? We just smog it. It's a completely California compliant.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  Some of us drive OE cars, some have modded cars. Uh, maybe you, maybe you have some mods that need removed.

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  The smog shop doesn't count. The smog shop doesn't count.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  My car passed smog, not a single, both my cars passed smog, no problem.

• 1:09:09Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next question, uh, this is a good one from AJ Nichols 6. Go to the, go to the CarPod questions. AutoNation Illustration on Instagram, you saw this?

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were cool.

• 1:09:19Doug DeMuro?

  Scroll down, made, uh, some stickers for the crew.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:09:24Doug DeMuro?

  These, which one is your favorite?

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  I love that one. That is, that is.

• 1:09:28Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see these?

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  I did, yes. He tagged me on Instagram.

• 1:09:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's surprisingly good Filippo.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  It is surprisingly good Filippo. That, I mean, the crazy, that does capture you with the SLR shirt and everything. Although that one's a coupe, not a convertible.

• 1:09:40Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  And, uh, yeah, that one, that's, that's, that's your car.

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow, I have a blue check.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Blue check, yeah, he did give you that.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  Blue checks are expensive. You look into that stuff?

• 1:09:50Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  If you gotta pay for it, it's like, it's not cheap.

• 1:09:55Doug DeMuro?

  These are great, but it's asking which, which is your favorite? I think Filippo. The Filippo really captures the essence of Filippo.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  Right, he's, he's too happy.

• 1:10:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. I've never seen him happy.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  And about, related to cars, he cannot be that happy.

• 1:10:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think they capture.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  Bicycle, yes.

• 1:10:11Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, he would never open his arms like that and with a smile. It's too like.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  He'd have a phone in one hand and Slack would be on it and he'd be checking, like, you're close, really, really close.

• 1:10:19Doug DeMuro?

  He'd be, yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  But that one's pretty close.

• 1:10:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's pretty, that one's good.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  But I am, I am that happy every time I'm around that car.

• 1:10:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh. Oh, how sweet.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  I love that car, but the crazy Nicklin.

• 1:10:28Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe he tried to slip that Kevin service under our noses.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  Well, I agree with you. I don't think that counts. Like, you, you, well, I wouldn't, I would just wait it till next year.

• 1:10:37Doug DeMuro?

  I'm calling Kevin right at the end of this podcast. Okay, next question from Imperial South Hampton. This is a great question, and I'm curious to get your guys' takes, but I have the answer, sort of. Question for Doug: What cars offer a similar X-factor and rawness like your Countach for people who don't have Countach money? Oh. Let's assume a budget of 30 grand. I want to love a car like you love your Countach. I don't know about 30 grand, but I will tell you, a car that I think provides the exact same level of rawness and excitement is a Lotus Esprit. Oh. I think- Oh, this is not what I expected. I think that this car with the V8, now, there was a time when they were 30 grand, and it wasn't that long ago, but they've gotten expensive, and the V8 twin turbos, which is specifically what I'm talking about, are now maybe 60 to 80.

• 1:11:24Doug DeMuro?

  I nonetheless feel that this is, this car is one of the great bargains in the automotive world today. It is, it still has the wedge, it is still wide and low and flat, the sound is immense behind you, it is incredibly analog, incredibly raw, even though it was made through like 2003, and it is just so damn cool. And it's, it's, it's expensive, it's, I, I, I want to be clear, but it's not, it's not Countach expensive. No, it's not crazy, and of, I mean, it will be expensive to take- It's so cool. -take care of, of course, but like, that is a- Probably, but so is the Countach. But exoticness to dollar ratio is very high. And I still feel that way about the Esprit. I reviewed an Esprit right when we launched Cars and Bids that sold on the site, probably

• 1:12:08Doug DeMuro?

  four or five years ago, and it was that one, it was that dark red one there for 70,500. And, and in that video, I made the point that these are kind of bargains for what they are, and they've gotten more expensive since then. I still feel like they're complete bargains for what they are. Yeah. This car, when you see one of these on the road, pictures don't really even do it justice, you, you have to see how low and wide and flat it is. It looks like a Countach. It is a serious car.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  It is eye catching. I don't even recall the last time I saw one on the road, but when I see that V8 badge, that highly stylized V8.

• 1:12:39Doug DeMuro?

  And I'll tell you, if you've ever driven one.

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:12:41Doug DeMuro?

  It is raucous. The interior is raucous. It is loud and it's like the Countach. Even though actually it's a lot newer, honestly, it's probably easier to own, but it has its own challenges. But it is fun. It is loud and fast and cool.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  I would posit, when I think of like the alternative to the Countach, the Pantera is the one that comes to mind. Now granted, these cars also, again, like you said, not in the $30,000 range, but they are crazy, crazily styled. The rear of the car is just so cool. It's from the similar era as the early Countach. There's a lot of compromise in terms of the interior, much like a Countach. It's not as nice drive as the Countach, but you get a lot of that crazy vintage exotic.

• 1:13:19Doug DeMuro?

  When we had this Pantera in the office and I was pretty impressed with just how exotic and cool it looks. So many people have modded and screwed up Panteras over the years. A really clean, just like nice, simple Pantera is a nice, nice looking wedge car. That does kind of give you the Countach, like ideal to it.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  I agree. And even Pantera themselves kind of screwed up the design with the layers of the GT5.

• 1:13:40Doug DeMuro?

  The GT5. I will say.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  I think it's still kind of cool.

• 1:13:43Doug DeMuro?

  One thing that is missing from this car that isn't from the, um, from the Esprit. It doesn't have the loud, like, kind of rawness to it, driving it. The motor is a little bit smoother than I was expecting.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  You put some headers on that. You go to SEMA, get some headers, I'll bet you can.

• 1:13:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, probably. But you get my point. Like, this car is honestly probably better engineered.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  I'm sure, I expected both of you to say Gen 1 Viper.

• 1:14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, Gen 1.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  Rawness, loud, rock, and 35-ish.

• 1:14:11Doug DeMuro?

  That's the obvious.

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  It's too obvious. The, the other ones, I was going to throw out a Shelby Cobra replica from like the 60s. Is very raw, has that X factor, is dangerous, et cetera. Um, I was also going to throw out, if you wanted something a little bit more modern and a little less attention getting a WS6 or a Terme Cobra for about 30.

• 1:14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Terme Cobra.

• 1:14:29Speaker 04

  Gets you a ton of power and presence and enjoyment factor.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess, I think, yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  And if you just want something to like blow everyone's minds when they see it, Plymouth Prowler.

• 1:14:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. That's not, that's not wrong.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  You lose the driving experience.

• 1:14:44Doug DeMuro?

  To me, part of the, the, the beauty of the Countach experience is the low slung, is the exoticness of it.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:51Doug DeMuro?

  And that's why I say a Spree, but yours give, yours provide, especially the Viper, provides sort of the rawness, the, the emotion of it.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Doug DeMuro?

  And I do think that, that that would be a car that someone could fall in love with if they have an open mind.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Yep. I still want one. I still want one at some point.

• 1:15:07Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next question from Parthi Smarty. Did Nick actually money shift the TTRS or is this just an inside joke? Folks, we don't joke about money.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  Inside joke.

• 1:15:15Doug DeMuro?

  We don't joke about money shifting. I'm gonna tell you the story because he's gonna tell you the wrong story. I'm gonna tell you the real story. When I met Nick, he had a TTRS and this was during Nick's modding cars days. He, um, he was, he was a, a young man, pre-kids, and he would mod cars. When I met Nick, the TTRS had gold wheels. It was dropped. It was all this, you know? And we, we would, I would, I, we were talking and he kind of explained to me that a year or so before I met him, he had sent the engine out to get built, because that's what you do. He got it, he had built. And, uh, one day he was, he, after the engine, after the car came back and the engine got built, uh, he, he was driving to work

• 1:15:57Doug DeMuro?

  and he was good on an on-ramp and he launched it and he accidentally went from, you know, fourth to second and meant to hit third. Well, I don't know what it was. I don't know the exact gearing and I don't think he does. And, uh, he money shifted the car, blew the motor. And after that, he drove around in a Camry with no title.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  The only part of that story that's true is the very end of it. There was a title somewhere. It just had been lost and Florida requires you to go in person to get a duplicate made.

• 1:16:27Doug DeMuro?

  Of course, he's driven around, he's driven around a Florida plate Camry with no title after he blows up his motor. It's a story as old as time in the modding community.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  A good friend of mine who was active military and so therefore you don't have to change the plates if you are enlisted. And so that was the loophole, much like Bang Energy Drinks.

• 1:16:46Doug DeMuro?

  I'm glad that you have stepped in to correct that part of the story. Uh, the rest of it isn't BS, first of all.

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  The engine was rebuilt because of the motor blowing, not before. It was sleeved, much like your Countach, to strengthen it.

• 1:17:00Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, it was sleeved after it, after the money shift?

• 1:17:03Speaker 04

  That's, that's how they fixed the fact that the piston rings melted and. Cause you did money shift it. I did not money shift it. I was driving it normally. Driving it normally and all of a sudden, you know how the engine's gotta be built? No, it was never money shifted.

• 1:17:16Doug DeMuro?

  He was driving normally in the sense that he went to third and got first. People did that in those TTRSs. They got money shifted.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  Great car.

• 1:17:23Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. It's a great car. It's an underrated car. It is now in West Virginia, right?

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  As far as I know, unless it's sold since then.

• 1:17:29Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta fin that, then look up that.

• 1:17:32Speaker 04

  But it's, it's an inside joke. Doug likes to claim the story. It is not true.

• 1:17:36Doug DeMuro?

  He money shifted a TTRS!

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  You were not there.

• 1:17:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, let me tell you. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you, listeners out there who may not have as much experience in the automotive world as, as, as I. When someone tells you that they were driving a car in some anger and the engine just blew. This is not an old car. This is a five-year-old car at the time, right? And it's got a manual transmission. They money shifted. They don't want to tell you they money shifted.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  That old cast register over here, money shifted that TTRS. No such thing. We will move on.

• 1:18:14Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, money shifted the TTRS. Okay, next question. From TennisPro6060, Doug, please explain why automakers are still using 12-volt power outlets. Why, why, why? It's because people still have accessories that use those things. And there'll be people who, including me, believe it or not, in my Sequoia, I actually, I found a 12-volt that charges the phone like instantly and I'm like married to it. I think it's still better than the in-car plugs because they're just not as quick to charge. And so believe it or not, I still use a 12-volt myself in that car.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  I'm like that with USB-A. USB-A. I'm not, I'm not down with the C. Don't force it on me. Like, I'm good.

• 1:18:52Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:18:54Doug DeMuro?

  You prefer USB A to C?

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Cause I got all the As, I got tons of the As. A lot of the outlets got As in them, I'm not ready.

• 1:19:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, well, that's another example of this. However, my suspicion is that this will go away, just like cassette players. Like, for years and years, automakers had cassette players in cars, even long past when we all were actually using them. But some people are still using them. And that's true of the 12 volt. And I think the 12 volt sticks around for more, longer than you think, because there are still people who are not willing to give up their, their stuff. Now, as more and more cars are starting to integrate household outlets, which is becoming a thing I'm seeing on at least one out of every two cars I'm reviewing, I think that will eventually kill the 12 volt outlet, but it'll be still a few more years.

• 1:19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question from Luke Reinoffs. The older generation always says to pay for cars in cash, newer would say do as little down as possible, invest what you could have spent and make up for depreciation. Do you see pros to cons to either? Boy, I made a video about this years ago and, um, man, there are some real people who are just cash only.

• 1:19:59Doug DeMuro?

  Here's the deal, if you can get a sufficiently low interest rate on a loan and you buy and you use it to buy a car that you, these are the two caveats in which I think you should finance a car. You get a low interest rate and you use it to buy a car that you could have otherwise afforded. So you're not using your financing to stretch into some Rolls Royce type thing. You go to the dealer, you could get a Honda, but instead they're offering 1%. And so you take them up on that, you finance that car. Okay, smart, smart money, smart consumers, smart finance people will do that always. There are a lot of people out there who just don't want a car payment. I get that. It is not the financially smartest thing to do. You will not end up on top.

• 1:20:43Doug DeMuro?

  If you take the money that you would have spent on the rest of the car and invest that money over time, you will come out ahead. You may not come out ahead that year or even with that car, but if you do this throughout your life and get 2% interest on every car and invest the rest, you will come out way ahead. In the end, you probably have an extra car in cash because of all the money that you didn't tie up in cars. And so that's what you should do. And I cannot wait for the comments to tear me apart and say that buying cash is the only way to do it, because that's what Dave Ramsey says. Nick, well, tell me your thoughts.

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• 1:21:43Speaker 04

  I've got a couple. One, the average new price of a car, I'm told, is $51,500. So, buying cash isn't an option. Now, you could buy used. However, with the used, you do run a risk that the car blows up the day you get it back, right? So, like when people are leasing a car, right? Often, the advice is, "Don't put a ton down."

• 1:22:06Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  Because if you crash it, or what have you, like, you're never getting that back.

• 1:22:10Doug DeMuro?

  That's good advice, for a lease.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  So, it could maybe go with sketchy purchases in which you get scammed or something that, like, hey, if you finance it, then maybe there's...

• 1:22:19Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I do think that there's a middle ground between the type of used car that will blow up the day you buy it and a brand-new car. There's a lot of used cars in there that you could still finance, still get decent interest rates on, that are not going to blow up the day you buy it. Like, a two-year-old Accord is a pretty good... That's probably a pretty good buy.

• 1:22:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Doug DeMuro?

  You got nothing else? That's all you... That was your take?

• 1:22:42Speaker 04

  I don't... I guess since we're on the topic of religions, a lot of my Muslim friends are not big on debt. So, to your point, there may be people who are just...

• 1:22:52Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. There's some people... And there's some people who just personally just don't want to have debt, and I get it. But the smart money is if you can get a low enough interest rate and you're not stretching to afford the car. I want to... I've made this caveat already twice. I'm making it a third time. Those are the two really important points here. Because in today's environment, when interest rates are 6%, you don't want to do that.

• 1:23:09Speaker 04

  It is. It is a bigger cost.

• 1:23:11Doug DeMuro?

  You don't necessarily want to do this. Or you want to finance less of the car. Nonetheless, I will say, one of the things I'm really sick of with the personal finance crowd is people who are bragging about how old their car is and how long they keep their car running. Do not understand the safety benefits of getting in more modern car than your 1986 Honda Accord. And there are so many people out there who like, I still drive the same 1993 Honda Accord that I bought new. As a point of pride, and I don't find it prideful. I think it's, I think it's dangerous at this point. If, if, I'm not saying you need to go buy a new, a new, brand new Volvo, but like a three-year-old Honda Accord is not that crazy of a spend and it really will change your life if you get into a serious accident.

• 1:23:54Doug DeMuro?

  And I guarantee there are people who have gone to the grave proud of their 1993 Honda Accord. For the personal finance reasons. Kennan, how'd you buy the SL65? You take out a giant loan?

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  Nah, paid cash. But, but still, like, the, the thing with it is like, yeah, I think it depends on every, everybody's individual situation, your level of comfort with that. But I think you can be smart about it. Just, it really depends on the car, how you're gonna use it. I do definitely agree with you about the safety thing for people who are doing big commutes, commutes in older cars. I drive an older car every day. My commute's not that far. And so it's, I'm at a lower level of risk. And the E39 is a very safe car. That's a pretty safe car too. So I'm less worried about it. But yeah, I think that year in particular, that's people who drive stuff from the 90s every day. It is a little bit, be a little bit dicey, especially if you have children.

• 1:24:40Doug DeMuro?

  Car like yours, you can't finance it the lowest, the interest rate level that I'm talking about anyway. But you also won't have to deal with depreciation. So really, you're tying up the money, but it's not as big of a deal. And you know,

• 1:24:53Speaker 03

  And the market's also pretty like defined, like on cars like those. Like I could, if I, I know what an SL65 is worth. I could sell it probably for exactly the same amount if I needed to, whatever.

• 1:25:01Speaker 04

  What gets really interesting on new cars is the manufacturers will buy down the interest. So you think you're getting like a zero or 1%, but they're kind of baking that into the purchase price also. Like that could have been potentially what you negotiated off in cash. Which makes this even murkier. It's like, okay, am I really getting 2%? Or am I just paying an extra five grand on the car, which they're buying down the lease?

• 1:25:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. And it's difficult. A lot of sophisticated, a lot of unsophisticated people have, even sophisticated ones have a hard time understanding that. The real benefit is to try to get a really low rate and negotiate the hell out of the price on the car. Which, especially in today's environment, a lot of cars, you can do that.

• 1:25:35Speaker 04

  I did jumbo loan on the slur. What?

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  The SLR.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  I know what that is.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  To use that bullying term, I financed it. I didn't finance it, I financed it.

• 1:25:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, next question from Palaco, last question. Doug, you claim to listen to more music than almost everyone. I rarely get personal questions on the pod, and I appreciate this one. This year is wrapping up, what have you and the group been listening to in 25?

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  Oh, we gotta hear your Spotify top hits already?

• 1:26:00Doug DeMuro?

  I listen to more music than anyone, alright? I have been a top 99.9% Spotify user for years now. When Spotify rap shows up, which will be in three, four weeks here, I'll post it again, and I will have been, again, a top user. Actually, I'm not sure that I will this year, because I don't drive as much.

• 1:26:24Doug DeMuro?

  But my very favorite band is a band from Austin called Night Traveler, and you should go listen to them. Nick, give us your musical tastes.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  I don't listen to a lot of music. It's still the driver's era of music. So, late 90s, early 2000s.

• 1:26:40Doug DeMuro?

  Mostly, he left everything on the field in 2004.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  NoFX, Pennywise, bands like that. No Use For A Name, Face To Face, Sum 41 I've been into a lot, Lagwagon.

• 1:26:53Doug DeMuro?

  Really? You're driving around listening to Sum 41?

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're good. I mean, all sort of like that 90s punk sort of vibe. I will go into hip-hop, like a Tribe Called Quest and things of that effect.

• 1:27:04Doug DeMuro?

  The last-

• 1:27:05Speaker 04

  That era.

• 1:27:06Doug DeMuro?

  Last time I was in the car with Ken and he had jazz playing.

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  Steely Dan.

• 1:27:09Speaker 03

  I do also love Steely Dan. There are a couple more modern bands, like Floor, you introduced me to. I absolutely love Floor. I think I still buy a lot of music. I've bought everything they've ever done. And I listened, like, when I run, they're my favorite band to listen to. I love Floor. Adam Dodson is another artist I discovered recently. Formula One featured him, like, it was Charles Leclerc driving around the track, and it was like, it's very peaceful music, I listen to a lot of that, too. But jazz, I'm a modal jazz person, so I'm a big Coltrane head, and I listen to a lot of stuff like that, but-

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  Have you heard the new Taylor Swift album?

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:27:41Doug DeMuro?

  I haven't listened to it, but I have to.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  It's so catchy.

• 1:27:44Doug DeMuro?

  Taylor's the best, we all love Taylor. I, to this day, I sing "All Too Well," the 10-minute version, loudly in the car when I'm driving. Have you gotten into that one yet?

• 1:27:54Speaker 04

  The 10-minute version of-

• 1:27:55Doug DeMuro?

  "All Too Well."

• 1:27:56Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:27:57Speaker 03

  And he sing it for us? Just hum it.

• 1:27:59Doug DeMuro?

  Photo album on the counter.

• 1:28:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, cheeks are turning red. You know, I'm not embarrassed. Uh, okay. Uh, we gotta move on. I think we can do one more, one more question if there is one more question. Yeah, last one. Uh, CX Niner. What was the worst downgrade from a particular model from one generation to the next? For example, E39 to E60 or C2 to C3? Uh, those are it.

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  C2 to C3 is tough. That's a bad one.

• 1:28:29Doug DeMuro?

  Uh. That was it. How about NA2 NSX to the?

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  No, E38 D65 was worse than E39 D60.

• 1:28:37Doug DeMuro?

  That's a great one. Um, 05 NSX to the new NSX is pretty, although I like the new NSX, but the 05 was god.

• 1:28:43Speaker 03

  Well, and there also was, you know, 15 years.

• 1:28:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it's next generation. If you talk about a third gen NSX, that's what you're talking about.

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  Let's see, uh.

• 1:28:51Doug DeMuro?

  Old Defender to new? Thought about that.

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  Trying to think, like, I wanted to do an exotic car, but.

• 1:28:58Doug DeMuro?

  S4, how about when they went from the V8 to the Super 6?

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't mind that. I had the support. It was fun.

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  C63 is a tough one. The, the twin turbo V8 to the new C63 is one of the great mess ups.

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  What about 993 to 996?

• 1:29:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't agree with that. I love the 996, but a lot of Porsche people would probably, would probably support that. I, to be honest, I think that the 993 to 996 transition was an improvement from a driving perspective.

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  I still look at 996 turbos a lot. It just, there's phenomenal values. I like how they look. I'm with you.

• 1:29:32Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, I think the 993 is, is, is so cool and so analog, whatever, but like the 996 was faster. It's tighter. It's, it's, it's more stable. It handles better. Like it has all these benefits, but the interior is worse and nobody likes how it looks. And of course you lose the air cold. And so there's a lot of that stuff.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  I think now, I think now it has more of a charm. There's a, a subset of like diehard fans who like the way the 996 looks.

• 1:29:52Doug DeMuro?

  Sunset, well.

• 1:29:53Speaker 03

  It really is the, it really is the only 911 that looks really different, I think, to the other ones. Like the 993 does look different than the 964 and the G5 before that, but the 996 is a dramatic departure. And then they, the 997 looks more contemporary.

• 1:30:06Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, the market also, it's not just the market. The market is pretty clear. 993 turbos are like 250 and 996 turbos are like 60 and, but nonetheless, I think the 996 is underrated. Anyway, what are other cars that really they messed up? How about the SL facelift? The one, the one.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  The R2, yeah, the R230 dot free.

• 1:30:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, 09, that was tough.

• 1:30:25Speaker 03

  That was a bad. Yeah.

• 1:30:27Doug DeMuro?

  But that wasn't as bad as the stuff we're talking about.

• 1:30:29Speaker 03

  Uh, sticking with the C sixty-three, I think that's probably the one to me. That and the C two, C two to C three.

• 1:30:35Doug DeMuro?

  I can't think of any other bad ones, can you? Any other really egregious?

• 1:30:39Speaker 04

  I was trying to figure out what came before the six twelve Scagullietti in Ferrari. Hoping it was the five fifty.

• 1:30:43Doug DeMuro?

  It was the four five six.

• 1:30:44Speaker 04

  It was the four five six. So that's not that bad.

• 1:30:46Doug DeMuro?

  Ferrari in that four-seater realm.

• 1:30:47Speaker 04

  That letting it just suck.

• 1:30:49Doug DeMuro?

  It has always kinda sucked, but it has always gotten a little better.

• 1:30:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:52Doug DeMuro?

  The, the, the, the, the old four-seater stuff was bad and the four hundred wasn't exactly great. But then it got a little better, the four five six, then the six twelve, then the FF.

• 1:31:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, all those were progressively better cars, definitely.

• 1:31:03Speaker 04

  Now that I learned that John Tamarin Lamborghini has a V eight and not a V ten, the Huracan at Tamarin is a little tough. Not, not the worst.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  We were there for the launch at Quill. You, we, we saw it. They told us this.

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  Listening to the motor size?

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's what you listen to.

• 1:31:19Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, how about for you when the Explorer went from a body on frame with a V eight down to a little, uh, unibody six-four cylinder turbo thing?

• 1:31:26Speaker 04

  Nah.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  I love the new Explorer. I think it's great. Uh, those are our answers. E thirty eight, E sixty-five might actually be the worst one.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was a, I remember hearing that in oh one is that the theory was being discontinued. Was one of their best sales years for the car because everybody saw the new one.

• 1:31:40Doug DeMuro?

  Although oh two was, was up. Sales increased for the E sixty-five, but I think time has proven that to be a bad redesign more than anything else.

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:31:47Doug DeMuro?

  Like the oh one is still beloved and an, an oh two E sixty-five. That Aztec and those are the same level of common. I mean, serious, like, there are no original E sixty-fives. Everyone you see is a facelift and even then you're not seeing them that much anymore.

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  No, that's true.

• 1:32:02Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I got up behind the other day and I thought to myself, this is actually leaving the SLR party. I thought to myself, this is the last time I'm ever gonna see one of these randomly on the street. An eleven, three thirty-five D.

• 1:32:11Speaker 03

  Wow, yeah, you don't really see those. I, those are great cars.

• 1:32:14Doug DeMuro?

  They're cool.

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  Torque.

• 1:32:15Doug DeMuro?

  Torque.

• 1:32:15Speaker 03

  I mean, not as much.

• 1:32:16Doug DeMuro?

  They were auto only, but I, I thought to myself, I will never see another one of these randomly, I bet. It had been years since the last one.

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Doug DeMuro?

  This is it.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've, yeah, that's a good point. You don't really see that era diesel BMW much anymore.

• 1:32:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  And E70s, like you don't see X5 diesels from that generation that much either.

• 1:32:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I don't, it's harder to know because it's on the side, but that 335D badge, I'm like, that was a cool car. It gave you like a real fuel economy and range, but like pretty good performance.

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:41Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, that's our pod. You got any parting words here, Nick? No.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Best pod we've ever done.

• 1:32:46Doug DeMuro?

  Go to Kennan's YouTube channel. Six.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  So thank you.

• 1:32:49Doug DeMuro?

  I haven't even seen the video yet. I'm incredibly excited to do that. When is it launching? I know. It's launching yesterday. I can't believe you don't give your friends a sneak peek.

• 1:32:56Speaker 03

  Cause it'll be great. You'll go and I'll send it to you later.

• 1:33:00Doug DeMuro?

  Before Nick posts a video on his channel, he sends it to us and says, do I need to edit out anything inappropriate from this?

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  I know that I don't.

• 1:33:06Doug DeMuro?

  Watch this.

• 1:33:07Speaker 03

  I've been making videos for a while. I've got it.

• 1:33:11Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, I appreciate you letting us see the car well before, like a month ago, where you've had it probably.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Two weeks, but yeah.

• 1:33:17Doug DeMuro?

  It feels like a month.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  What, you expect me to hide it for two weeks?

• 1:33:19Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Doug almost leaked it on his Instagram page. Instagram.com.

• 1:33:23Speaker 03

  He didn't tag me.

• 1:33:24Doug DeMuro?

  All good. Now we're all excited. All right. That's our podcast. Nick, pleasure. Thank you for being here. Nick will also be here next week. Filippo's in Japan and he's been sending us crazy pictures of stuff like Japanese cars.

• 1:33:35Speaker 03

  What's crazy about the pictures, how poorly framed they are. He's not a good photographer.

• 1:33:39Doug DeMuro?

  Some of the worst photos I've ever seen.

• 1:33:40Speaker 03

  Take some picture lessons.

• 1:33:41Doug DeMuro?

  He's not gonna watch this.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  No, he won't.

• 1:33:43Doug DeMuro?

  Pleasure. Thank you for watching. We'll see you next week.

• 1:33:46Speaker 03

  Goodbye.

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