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CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:32 New Subaru WRX STi
00:05:58 Supercruise Goes Fully Autonomous
00:10:12 Infiniti Brings Back The Sedan
00:13:48 GM EV1 Sells At Auction
00:19:18 Concept Hat Holder
00:21:05 Ferrari's New Patent
00:23:49 Rolls-Royce Phantom Centenary
00:26:47 Talk Cars Presented By Piloti
00:28:21 The Countach Broke Down
00:31:35 Nick Bought An SLR
00:38:34 Nick Went To Radwood
00:42:46 Kennan Went To The Mexican GP
00:47:40 Doug Went To DC
00:51:38 Kennan Drove The Audi A2
00:55:01 Market Report
00:55:10 Mercedes-Benz R63 AMG
00:59:09 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
01:02:04 Ferrari 512 TR
01:03:43 Community Questions
01:04:29 Why Doesn't Kennan Get A NA Miata?
01:06:25 Objectively Speaking Is the 2000's Still The Best Era Of Cars?
01:11:49 The Manual Lamborghini Aventador
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0:57 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.
1:00 Speaker 03 I'm Kennan.
1:01 Doug DeMuro? I'm Doug. And I'm Nick. Whoa, and Kennan is dressed up today.
1:06 Speaker 03 Yes, it's Halloween.
1:06 Doug DeMuro? It's Halloween, everybody.
1:08 Speaker 03 I'm wearing my Senna costume.
1:09 Doug DeMuro? And Kennan is Senna today, his personal hero. But he's finished the race and he's changed into his hat.
1:15 Speaker 03 Yes, one of the great ironies. He was very fast, I'm very slow.
1:18 Doug DeMuro? True. Okay, we have a lot to discuss today. It's Halloween, we have a spooky podcast.
1:24 Speaker 03 Ooh.
1:25 Doug DeMuro? I want tricks. No, I'm kidding. We have a normal podcast. Give us the first news story. This is the biggest news story of the week unquestionably. Subaru in Japan, in Tokyo, has previewed a new STI concept car. Did you see this?
1:39 Speaker 03 That's interesting because they said they weren't going to make an STI version of the current WRX, correct?
1:43 Doug DeMuro? I think that that was said, and it certainly has been true so far, right? The new WRX came out in 21, at the end of 21 is when I reviewed it. And it has been a pretty... I love the new WRX, but it's been a bit of a letdown in the sense that they didn't do a hatchback, they didn't do a wagon, and they didn't do an STI. True. This is all of those.
2:03 Speaker 04 It's got the box fenders. I love their rear arch treatment there. Giant wing. It's in the correct color for a WRX.
2:11 Doug DeMuro? And it is a manual transmission and a hatchback. Now, at this same auto show, Subaru also previewed an electric hatchback-y concept car thing. And they said, this is the future of our STI brand. But I think I speak for all of us when I say that I hope that this is the future of the STI brand.
2:26 Speaker 04 The only thing electric in this car is going to be the vape pen. Like, we do not need an EV.
2:32 Doug DeMuro? I have to say, I have been a little bit disappointed with Subaru's decision here. For one thing, not to do the hatchback. Subaru did the hatchback last in 2011, 2012. It wasn't a huge seller, and they said, okay, we're done. We're just going to do sedans. That's what the American market wants, which I think there was a time when that was true. However, since then, Audi RS6 has come back as a hatchback. The E63 wagon now outsells the sedan. The GR Corolla has shown up and been a big success. Since Subaru made this decision, the Focus and the Fiesta, he both came and went. And they were quite popular. You know, those cars got ditched for reasons beyond how the success of the performance model. And I think that there's a real business case for going back to the hatchback situation.
3:09 Speaker 03 Some would say they could dominate an unfulfilled niche right now. So it's a very good time to bring it back.
3:14 Doug DeMuro? I mean, I don't think, it's not entirely unfulfilled because we have the GR Corolla, we have the Golf R. But this would be a good, this would be good competition to those cars. Now, it can't have this wing.
3:24 Speaker 03 No, it can't, but it will later on anyway. People will take inspiration from this on eBay. Put these on the menu.
3:29 Doug DeMuro? That's true. It can't come out of the factory like this, even though we know this is what people are going to do. I gotta tell you, it's also this, the hatchback thing is important too, because Subaru, it's, a lot of Americans don't realize this, but Subaru does sell the new WRX in virtually every other overseas market as a hatchback. And it's called either the Lavorg or the WRX Sportsback or various things. I even looked it up. I was looking it up today. They sell it in Chile and Peru.
3:50 Speaker 03 Chile gets it, but we don't.
3:52 Doug DeMuro? They just made this product planning decision. All Americans don't like hatches. Right as the hatch was, it was like the Xterra. It's like, right as the hatch started to take off, they were like, we're done.
3:59 Speaker 03 They always have like a five-year latency. They're just behind like knowing exactly what we want.
4:03 Speaker 04 Do you think it is that they don't think there's demand? Or is it a regulatory or otherwise compliance-related?
4:08 Doug DeMuro? No, I mean, they sell the Crosstrek, which is a lifted version. So like, there's, what's, what's the issue? You already make the powertrain. I'm not even necessarily asking for an STI, although it'd be cool, obviously this car. But even a WRX wagon, I think going back to that would be really cool. Those are my favorite WRXs from the old days. But this is incredible. I mean, this really is the STI that we've all wanted for many, many, many years. It's been five years since there was an STI.
4:31 Speaker 03 Yep. So Subaru, if you're listening, do it. Bring it here.
4:34 Doug DeMuro? It'd be cool. I think it'd be cool. I think it would succeed. Subaru abandoned STI, I have a suspicion, because that's not what they wanted their brand to be in the US. They were going after the Forester and the Outback and the families and the dog people and Costco shoppers. But like, let's do this. Like, they're so well-known for it, and it's so beloved. And apparently, this has a flat four, a turbo flat four.
4:54 Speaker 04 And it is a good example of like a halo car. So when people do get the boring Foresters and Empresas, they can at least think, oh, it's a performance car. It's used for rallies. It seems silly to have such an obvious halo and not.
5:06 Doug DeMuro? I agree. They have an obvious halo. STI has been the halo for so many years. It was such a big deal. And then they just kind of left it. And what's even weirder is now they're previewing a concept version. It's like, okay, are you abandoning this or are you gonna do it?
5:17 Speaker 04 If I were them, I'd be doing like 22Bs and like going all in on that. But if we're not gonna get that, an STI is a no.
5:22 Doug DeMuro? And they did that. There was the S209, which was like a $70,000 Impreza. It's just, it's so weird to me that they preview this as a concept. It doesn't really seem concepty. This seems like a production car.
5:32 Speaker 03 Maybe they knew they were gonna do this all along, and they were like waiting for the later model years of the WRX to like get people excited about.
5:39 Doug DeMuro? But it's been years. I mean, you would think they would have done that like the year after or the next year or something like that.
5:43 Speaker 03 It's kind of falls in the end of the product cycle thing, if that's really what they're going for.
5:47 Doug DeMuro? Typically, STIs have not been that, though. The 02WRX was the first WRX in the States, and they had an STI by 04. And that was the very beginning, where they weren't even sure if the WRX would be a hit. And they came just two years later with a STI. This would be five years later.
6:00 Speaker 04 I love this.
6:01 Speaker 03 Different people, different product strategies. But I really hope that they build it. I hope it comes.
6:04 Speaker 04 And we need the box fenders.
6:05 Doug DeMuro? I hope so, too. I think the fenders are really cool. Maybe they're seeing what GR Corolla can do, or has done. And they're interested in being a part of that. Manual transmission.
6:13 Speaker 03 Manual transmission.
6:14 Speaker 04 I'm seeing people in GR Corollas that don't look like enthusiasts.
6:17 Doug DeMuro? Can I, can I posit that that's because it's probably not a GR Corolla, but you've mistaken a Corolla?
6:22 Speaker 04 No, no, no. The three exhaust and the little kazoo racing thing. I know my, I know my Toyota. I'm a Toyota truck guy.
6:29 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
6:29 Speaker 03 I think you Toyota.
6:31 Speaker 04 Toyota truck guy in what, in what way? I admire Land Cruisers from a distance.
6:35 Doug DeMuro? You know, there's a short going around right now of you saying that people who buy Tacomas hate America.
6:40 Speaker 04 They do. I mean, no.
6:44 Speaker 04 It's very unclear. Let me just tell you what, they don't have cowboy holders in their dashboards.
6:49 Doug DeMuro? But we haven't talked about that.
6:50 Speaker 04 I know, but we're going to.
6:52 Doug DeMuro? Okay, the next big news story, I think one of the biggest news story of the week, General Motors announced this week that an eyes-off version of Super Cruise is coming. That's a huge deal.
7:02 Speaker 03 That's a very big deal.
7:03 Doug DeMuro? Super Cruise, of course, is their self-driving, or they want to say driver assist, but at this point, we can start calling it self-driving, I think. And the video previewing this is, or the photo, there's a woman watching TV as her, as her Escalade IQ drives down the street. And I love Super Cruise and I think it works wonderfully, and I think that the big drawback is that you have to always be looking forward. Have you guys used this, any of these systems?
7:27 Speaker 04 No.
7:27 Doug DeMuro? The ones that are eye-monitoring, if you look down at your phone for even two seconds, it's like and it's like, well, the whole point of this is so that I can be on my phone, right? For be honest, isn't that, isn't that like why we're trying to do driver assist?
7:43 Speaker 04 You would think, you would think.
7:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, yes, for most people, yes, I would say that's it.
7:47 Doug DeMuro? The fact that this is a possibility, they're saying a couple more years, 28, that's really appealing.
7:54 Speaker 03 Are there no regulatory hurdles around this that they had to clear?
7:56 Doug DeMuro? My assumption is that the primary regulatory hurdle is that they have to then accept liability in the case of accidents.
8:01 Speaker 03 Which seems scary.
8:03 Doug DeMuro? But remember how Super Cruise works, it only works on mapped roads, so it doesn't, you can't just turn it on. It only works on roads that they themselves have mapped out, and so with that in mind, they probably have a pretty good knowledge of, hey, because it's really only freeways and some higher speed, like state highways and US highways.
8:21 Speaker 03 Open, more open.
8:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's not like you can just do it in the city. GM won't take liability for that, I assume, but if you're on the five, they know how it turns, you know, this is not new, nothing is new about these freeway.
8:32 Speaker 03 Right, and it's more. Predictable what's going to happen as opposed to streets where there are kids running around and soccer balls or squirrels or whatever.
8:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, I, working in advertising, I can only imagine how many people had to sign off on this image. Specifically demonstrating no eye contact, no hand on the wheel, watching TV. Like they knew, GM is not like willy nilly about this, so.
8:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's a good point. Showing this picture is like them saying, we're gonna do this and the lawyers were probably.
8:59 Speaker 03 The lawyer's like, oh, make sure the phone's far away from it. Don't quite wanna make that.
9:03 Speaker 04 Heaven forbid you're on a phone while you're watching a movie.
9:07 Speaker 03 You're the guy who's talking on the phone in the movie theater. That's who it is.
9:10 Speaker 04 No, no.
9:11 Doug DeMuro? I am very encouraged as a guy who does a lot of long distance driving on the freeway. I'm very encouraged by this and I think it could be really, really cool. And if, if GM does it and Mercedes Benz has also talked that said that they might do something like this in the future. It would be really big for long haul drivers.
9:26 Speaker 03 Definitely.
9:26 Doug DeMuro? Nick could pop into his Escalade IQL and.
9:29 Speaker 04 Wouldn't that be nice?
9:30 Doug DeMuro? No. You know, I was in Washington DC this week. You know what the best part was? Didn't see a single Escalade IQ. They're all over here.
9:37 Speaker 04 Yeah, they really are.
9:38 Doug DeMuro? They're all over and it is just such a ridiculous vehicle.
9:41 Speaker 04 You know, it's funny because everyone thought the Hummer EV SUV would take off and you'd never see those. But you're seeing the IQ everywhere. So it's like, okay, they had the right concept, but everyone wanted the Escalade, not the.
9:51 Doug DeMuro? I don't get who buys them because liberals don't want a Cadillac Escalade and Republicans don't want an electric car. So who is this crossover that, not only that, it's the most in your face of all of that. Thousand pounds and it costs a hundred thousand dollars and it's the biggest car on the road.
10:06 Speaker 03 Yet again, that Orange County crossover. Southern California and it worked, it plays here.
10:12 Speaker 04 I still think my theory that I posited in the group thread that everyone deep down wants a full sized Range Rover. People just aren't willing to accept it. And so an IQ is a falling short vehicle. It says, I wanted the full sized Range. I got an Escalade because I didn't want to be too flashy or what have you.
10:27 Doug DeMuro? You're trying to create a Cayman GT4 nucleus theory with the new range. I'm gonna tell you something.
10:32 Speaker 04 The new range is everything.
10:33 Doug DeMuro? It's just not that, it, it's a lovely automobile and.
10:36 Speaker 04 The Cadillac, theville taillights, the, the long vertical slits.
10:40 Doug DeMuro? It's fine, it's fine. I just, some of us, look, some of us, we drive Toyota Sequoia built in Texas. We love America and some of us want our European, uh...
10:50 Speaker 03 Fancy Euro.
10:51 Doug DeMuro? It's America.
10:52 Speaker 04 I think what you're trying to say is, some of us are willing to admit we want the Range Rover, the rest of us are liars.
10:57 Doug DeMuro? No, dude, I had, I've had two Ranges. I will not...
11:00 Speaker 04 But those are not the same. An L322 is not the same.
11:02 Doug DeMuro? It was when I had it!
11:03 Speaker 04 Uh, yes, but we've come a long way.
11:05 Doug DeMuro? Give us the next news, try, I don't know, this is where I'm on a tangent. Oh, 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan. This is G35.
11:11 Speaker 03 Breaking news.
11:12 Speaker 04 Takeover.
11:13 Doug DeMuro? Infi...
11:15 Speaker 04 I assume that's what the story is, yes?
11:16 Doug DeMuro? No, believe it or not, Infiniti has announced that they are returning with a sedan.
11:21 Speaker 03 Wow.
11:22 Doug DeMuro? Which is unbelievable because they just recently canceled their midsize SUV, which is kinda like the whole thing.
11:27 Speaker 03 Right. So they're deciding to cancel a platform that could potentially be popular with one that definitely won't be.
11:33 Speaker 04 Hey, Kennan, raise your hand if you didn't know that Infiniti didn't already make a sedan currently.
11:37 Doug DeMuro? Infiniti stopped, Infiniti stopped doing the Q50 after the 24 model year, although I'm sure there are still some left.
11:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, they're gettable.
11:47 Doug DeMuro? Uh, but, but, but the remaining cars in Infiniti's lineup are now only the QX60, which is a midsize three-row SUV, and the QX80, which is a full-size three-row SUV. They've even canceled the QX50, which is their kinda small midsize, that was like X3 competitor. And the X3 and GLC and Q5 are probably the biggest sellers for those brands, and Infiniti doesn't even have a rival. And they're saying, instead of putting research effort into that, we're gonna go after a sedan.
12:12 Speaker 04 Infiniti's not in a good spot. I mean...
12:15 Speaker 03 Do they just, like, live under a rock or in a bunker? They don't know what else is going on?
12:19 Speaker 04 Nissan's the parent company, Nissan's in dire strait, Infiniti is kinda like their sub-brand. So if the main company's not getting enough R&D, imagine what, like, being a subsidiary is.
12:28 Doug DeMuro? I have a theory that Infiniti's not, is, will not make it and will, will go under here in the next, like, will, may not see 2030.
12:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:36 Speaker 03 That seems, I think that seems highly likely.
12:38 Speaker 04 It's, it's up there with the everyone-wants-a-full-size-Range Rover theory and that it's probably true. No one can prove it, but it's probably true.
12:45 Doug DeMuro? There is no part of me. I had a Defender. I bought it brand new. There is no part of me that sits here thinking, damn, I wish I had a full-size.
12:52 Speaker 04 You drive a Sequoia with camouflage fenders, so we don't need to.
12:56 Doug DeMuro? I can't live in my community. I cannot have a full-size Ranger.
12:59 Speaker 04 I bet there's one on every block.
13:01 Doug DeMuro? There is not. Absolutely. I cannot drive a full-size Ranger.
13:04 Speaker 04 I'm gonna go take a little leisurely drive later.
13:07 Doug DeMuro? Nick has two properties, both at the beach, and I'm not able to participate in any of that.
13:16 Speaker 04 Right.
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14:41 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Move on to the next news story. The GM EV1, did you see this?
14:45 Speaker 04 Yes. I saw this. Rich Rebuilds posted it and I was really hoping he would have gotten it, but it brought in serious money.
14:51 Doug DeMuro? So GM EV1 was General Motors' electric car in the 90s and the way these cars worked, they were only leased to consumers and then when the leases were up, General Motors bought them back or took them back. They didn't allow people to renew the leases and they crushed most of them. It was the subject of this big documentary, which of course, the documentary was, oh, that electric car is dead. Of course, now EVs are everywhere. So it's not as secret and special and ooh, conspiracy as it once was. But a few of the EV1s were given, donated to universities and there are universities all around the country that have them in various states of disrepair because it was cool for the universities and their engineering
15:33 Doug DeMuro? students to like check out at the time in 1999, but now the technology is old, nobody cares anymore. EVs are everywhere. And in fact, they have a lot, some of the universities, they're just sitting in parking lots. Like people approach them and see them and they pass around on social media occasionally with flat tires and in this state. And so I think this car was at a university and it has now been auctioned at some sort of auto auction in Georgia and it sold for over a hundred thousand dollars.
16:00 Speaker 03 A hundred and four grand if I remember. Which for these universities that have them sitting around, well, here's an easy way to get some.
16:06 Doug DeMuro? Well, the problem was the universities all had to sign an agreement with GM that they would never sell the car. And so I wouldn't be surprised if the new owner of this car finds himself in a little bit of trouble. Probably GM doesn't care anymore.
16:19 Speaker 03 I can't imagine.
16:20 Speaker 04 Remember when you weren't allowed to sell a Cybertruck and everyone was afraid to do that? And it was like a serious thing. You'd be like, oh, do we accept it?
16:27 Speaker 03 The Hummer EV was my favorite because like you said, what am I gonna do? Not buy another GMC?
16:31 Doug DeMuro? Right. What are they gonna do? Stop you from buying a Yukon? Trust me, that could happen.
16:35 Speaker 03 But I mean, I guess there are probably ways around. They probably gift it to someone else and that party can then sell it.
16:39 Doug DeMuro? The universities were not allowed to dispose them at all, which is why they're in kind of derelict state at universities across the country. And I assume that this one was at a university that failed, like that went bankrupt or something. And that probably is the only way that it happened. So there's nobody left for GM to go after at the university. But this will be the first EV1 in private hands since the time period. The only drawback is. Does anybody care?
17:03 Speaker 04 It doesn't seem like I, from what I, I haven't been able to figure out who won it yet, and that may come out by the time this is posted, but wouldn't this be the best way to start a YouTube channel ever? Cause you get the, you get the restoration of like the interior with all the garbage in it and like the exterior, and then you also get to see like how it ran, like take it apart, like engineering explained, like someone like that could, that could really go into the battery.
17:23 Doug DeMuro? You could do some great collabs.
17:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:26 Doug DeMuro? Engineering explained, you could do, uh, Larry.
17:29 Speaker 04 Yeah, Larry's gotta do it, yeah. Rich rebuilds.
17:32 Speaker 03 You for a review?
17:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
17:34 Speaker 04 Maybe a little Tavorish in there too.
17:36 Doug DeMuro? You know, here's an interesting fact, I have to this day, an original EV1 owner's manual at my house.
17:41 Speaker 04 Really?
17:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
17:42 Speaker 04 Cool.
17:42 Doug DeMuro? I was on eBay in 2000, it was before I moved to California, 2016, late at night.
17:47 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:47 Doug DeMuro? And it popped up somehow in my algorithm and I bought it, it was like 30 bucks. I bought it in two seconds and I've had it ever since.
17:53 Speaker 04 I would love to see your eBay algorithm.
17:55 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
17:55 Speaker 04 License plates, owner's manuals, weird stuff.
17:58 Doug DeMuro? One thing a lot of people don't know about this car is, uh, that I learned in the owner's manual, it had, it had a keypad to start it. There were not keys.
18:08 Speaker 04 Huh.
18:08 Doug DeMuro? So, it's like, they're gonna have to do an L.
18:10 Speaker 04 Like a security code or something?
18:12 Doug DeMuro? You typed in a code.
18:13 Speaker 04 How many attempts do you get before it locks you auto under?
18:15 Doug DeMuro? It's explained, that is, that exact thing is explained in the owner's manual. The owner's manual is great, it's got all these like hand drawn images of the EV1 and you know, a person jumping out of the way or whatever owner's manuals have.
18:25 Speaker 04 You know, it doesn't look that terrible and it kinda looks like a Gen 1 Viper from that particular angle.
18:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, there's a lot, a lot of Gen 1 Viper.
18:32 Speaker 04 Like in a bad way.
18:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, like a smushed, melted sort of way.
18:35 Doug DeMuro? My presumption is this was on bill of sale, it said it had to be sold to a Georgia resident, which was odd, and, um, the windshield's broken, which I, you're not, unless you broke, when I was, when I was a student in Atlanta, there was one at Georgia Tech's campus that was just sitting in a parking garage unloved. You break under the.
18:51 Speaker 04 It kinda looks like.
18:52 Doug DeMuro? Take that, just take it.
18:53 Speaker 04 Flex a glass or something which you could easily make.
18:56 Doug DeMuro? It does kinda look like.
18:57 Speaker 04 It's fixable.
18:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
18:58 Speaker 03 Right.
18:58 Doug DeMuro? Pretty cool.
18:59 Speaker 04 Please, someone get this back on the road. Sell it on cars and bids.
19:02 Doug DeMuro? Someone will, I mean, to spend over a hundred grand, it's a museum, it's possibly GM themselves, it'd be cool if Jay was, like, I'm sure he wasn't bidding on a random auto auction, but GM would never go after Leno, you know, like if he bought it.
19:16 Speaker 04 That's true.
19:17 Doug DeMuro? And he'd be into it.
19:18 Speaker 04 The bidding, the bidding list would be really interesting rolodex to have.
19:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
19:22 Speaker 03 Yes, it would be.
19:23 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, would have been cool. Ken, why didn't you drop the hundred grand on it?
19:26 Speaker 03 Well, you know, it's not really a.
19:27 Speaker 04 109. And then I think there was, well, the buyer fees were another 13%. So you're really in like 120.
19:31 Speaker 03 Nice value. Good value.
19:34 Doug DeMuro? For a car that hasn't run in 25 years. And even then, when it ran, it had 100 mile range and like 90 horsepower.
19:39 Speaker 03 Right. You could have that. Or a 575. I think I'd pick the 575. But nonetheless, that is much cooler than a 575. Love to see it run.
19:46 Speaker 04 Hmm, I'd take the 575.
19:48 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. It'd be cool to see an EV1 like doing its thing.
19:51 Speaker 04 You and I are learning with the A2 and multiple, sometimes having.
19:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
19:55 Speaker 04 Sometimes catching this is not worth the race.
19:57 Doug DeMuro? And multiply.
19:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:58 Doug DeMuro? Interesting.
19:59 Speaker 03 Oh.
20:00 Doug DeMuro? Oh, multiply isn't quite as exciting as we thought, huh?
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20:32 Speaker 04 Driving at the Long Beach both ways over the weekend, I'm good for a little while.
20:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's the thing. And that's why I'm never doing it again. Uh, okay. Next news story, Nick.
20:39 Speaker 04 Oh, this must be. Yee-haw. This is mine. There is a, this is just a concept. It's probably not going to happen, although it should. At a real American truck company, not Toyota, uh, has a.
20:51 Doug DeMuro? Toyota builds the trucks with non-union labor. It doesn't get any more American than that. It doesn't get any more red-blooded conservative than that.
20:59 Speaker 04 SEMA concept, so it's probably not going to happen. They did The Dude. It is a throwback to an old TV show or something. No one really cares. However, there is a cowboy hat holder on the dashboard. I think it's brilliant, even if it's just a little theater.
21:13 Doug DeMuro? Would Papa, would Papa have put his cowboy hat on?
21:16 Speaker 04 Papa had a 94 F-150, and I used to sneak out in the middle of the night, me and my cousin Andrew, and we'd go do donuts in the cornfields. I'd then return it. And I remember one time we got carried away and we had to basically zip tie the bumper back on and then just pray to God none of our parents noticed the next day. So.
21:32 Doug DeMuro? Did he never notice?
21:33 Speaker 04 Nope. Mine was a Ford pickup.
21:35 Doug DeMuro? Did you still go out and do the donuts after that?
21:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, we, he had a lot of cars, so that was, that was just the one no one cared about.
21:41 Speaker 03 God, you've lived such a story.
21:42 Speaker 04 The man had two Cadillac Elantes.
21:44 Speaker 03 Wow.
21:45 Speaker 04 So you think I'm the crazy one in my family. Someone had two.
21:48 Doug DeMuro? Where it started. Cowboy hat holder. So this is a concept only, Nick. This isn't gonna.
21:53 Speaker 04 I know. Although it honestly looks no different than like a cellphone holder here. Like this shouldn't be that hard to retrofit. I'm sure there is a startup on Alibaba or Amazon that's already.
22:02 Speaker 03 Of course, Stetson's gonna bring one out and you know, it'll be an accessory.
22:05 Speaker 04 My hat's a Stetson. It would look good like that.
22:08 Speaker 03 My am.
22:09 Speaker 04 Uh, okay. You could put your little child's helmet on it, too.
22:12 Speaker 03 It's Senna's helmet, for God's sake.
22:14 Doug DeMuro? His literal helmet. He wore the.
22:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:16 Doug DeMuro? Wearing it when he crashed.
22:18 Speaker 04 Must not have worked very well.
22:19 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my God.
22:19 Speaker 03 My God.
22:20 Doug DeMuro? What's our next news story, please?
22:22 Speaker 03 All right. Ah, yes, this one's for me. So although this looks like a random drawing, this is very important. Ferrari recently filed a patent. Now, last week, we talked about how Porsche was filing that patent for the W18 engine, which is very.
22:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:33 Speaker 03 Ferrari, not to be outdone, also filed a patent, but this one is very interesting because it's about side-exit exhaust. Front engine, side-exit exhaust. Now, I looked a little bit more at the patent, and what's interesting is, in a different picture, they have very clearly it's for a V12. There are two rows of six cylinders, and it all dumps out at the side. Now, one can only imagine that this will be for something in the Icona series, but that said.
22:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:56 Speaker 03 Automobile manufacturers file patents all the time. Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make a car, but if you had to bet on it, it seems like a front-engine V12 with side-exit exhaust, like an SOR.
23:07 Speaker 04 I was gonna say.
23:08 Speaker 03 Is coming soon. Do you know anything?
23:10 Speaker 04 Oh, you mind if V8?
23:12 Doug DeMuro? You ever had a car with side-exit exhaust?
23:13 Speaker 04 I sure have. The Viper side-exit. I mean, there's plenty of cars like.
23:17 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, but this is in front of like, yes, there are cars like that, but there must be something specific about the routing or like how it's done with emissions.
23:23 Doug DeMuro? Does it bother you that we both have V8 Mercedes convertibles with side-exit exhaust?
23:29 Speaker 04 I do want to get a picture with the SLR and the G500 together.
23:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:33 Doug DeMuro? It's sort of like the stepchildren.
23:35 Speaker 04 What year is yours?
23:36 Doug DeMuro? 99.
23:37 Speaker 04 All right, mine's a little newer.
23:38 Speaker 03 That's such a Swiss picture. A SLR and a G-Cab. That feels very.
23:43 Speaker 04 And the A2.
23:44 Doug DeMuro? This is really cool, uh, and I am excited to see what turns out from it.
23:49 Speaker 03 I am too, and I think this made me think of something deeper, too. It's like, because we've kind of Ferrari, we feel like Ferrari's lost the plot with the supercar thing, you know, 288 through the Enzo makes sense, the Lufreyr, that all makes sense, and now it's gotten kind of weird with the.
24:01 Speaker 04 Murky.
24:02 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
24:02 Speaker 03 I think that the Icona series is now the most desirable cars that they make altogether.
24:06 Doug DeMuro? Well, sort of. The SP1 and 2 aren't desirable at all. So you have this weird issue.
24:10 Speaker 03 But if, maybe, yes.
24:12 Doug DeMuro? Right?
24:12 Speaker 03 I suppose.
24:13 Speaker 04 I desire them.
24:14 Speaker 03 They're kind of the same code.
24:15 Doug DeMuro? Do you?
24:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:16 Doug DeMuro? You know what it is?
24:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, the, I like the one-seater one version especially.
24:21 Speaker 03 I like the SP1 and SP2, to be clear. I think in any V12 car with no windshield is insane.
24:25 Speaker 04 I don't know if it belongs in that lineage, but I do.
24:28 Doug DeMuro? I drove it, I thought it was the coolest thing I've ever driven, but, not, that's not.
24:31 Speaker 03 Gotta wear, gotta wear one of these.
24:32 Doug DeMuro? But, it's not, like, the Daytona SP3 is, like, legit A.
24:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, and if this, whatever this ends up being, if it's a, I don't know why they feel the need to have front exit, side exit exhaust.
24:43 Doug DeMuro? We'll find out.
24:44 Speaker 03 Why not? So, I don't know. I think, I'm very curious to see if this car ever comes into existence, and if it does.
24:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:49 Speaker 03 It would be cool. Ferrari's SLR.
24:51 Speaker 04 Congratulations Ferrari for inventing side exhausts. We're very proud of you.
24:54 Speaker 03 The Italians would tell you, they, we invented, it's the exit at the front and the side, this is what we make here, yes?
25:01 Doug DeMuro? They did have in the 50s some cars that had, like, pipes coming off the.
25:05 Speaker 03 Well, they were race cars. You just, you know.
25:07 Doug DeMuro? Maybe that's what this would be.
25:07 Speaker 03 Straight to atmosphere.
25:08 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, give us our next news story.
25:10 Speaker 03 Ah, yes, Rolls-Royce. So this is the Centenary Edition, or the Centenary Edition Rolls-Royce Phantom. Now, they've done this before, or they've done Centenaries for Rolls-Royce as a company. This is for the Phantom nameplate specifically.
25:22 Doug DeMuro? Cool.
25:22 Speaker 03 And for our, and Rolls-Royce has gone to exceptional lengths to make this car something very opulent. So they're only gonna build 25 of these to celebrate 100 years of the Phantom.
25:31 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
25:32 Speaker 03 And they've done a lot to the interior, not all of which I would call tasteful. Uh, this is what they feel.
25:39 Doug DeMuro? Is that like a silver cloud on the?
25:40 Speaker 03 Yes.
25:41 Doug DeMuro? Seats?
25:41 Speaker 03 Yes, so they.
25:42 Doug DeMuro? Is that an early, like, an 05 Phantom?
25:45 Speaker 03 So there are 77 different hand-stitched motifs in this, and it's all supposed to be around.
25:49 Doug DeMuro? Wait, 77 in?
25:50 Speaker 03 In this.
25:50 Doug DeMuro? In one, yes. It's not, you choose between 77.
25:53 Speaker 03 No, no.
25:55 Speaker 04 76 wasn't enough, they said. Our buyers demand more.
25:58 Speaker 03 Distilled 77 into this creation, which is, you remember the McLaren with the seats that looked like someone crapped themselves?
26:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:07 Speaker 03 Yes, it's not far off being that bad.
26:09 Doug DeMuro? Bad, street art.
26:10 Speaker 03 But it does not end there. There are also these, these separate panels that have like forty-five different separate components. There's one on the dashboard that's like this. These ones are maps of their favorite driving roads, which when I think, when I think aggressive driving roads, what I want is a car that weighs more than a planet and has dinner plate wheels.
26:27 Doug DeMuro? Wow. Their favorite driving roads?
26:30 Speaker 03 That's correct. They, they're, it says specifically, "They're geographical maps with winding routes and sweeping landscapes, floral elements, and depictions for their experimental motor cars." They're the ones that Rolls Royce deemed the most significant.
26:42 Doug DeMuro? Sweeping?
26:42 Speaker 03 Formative on their journey for the fans.
26:44 Doug DeMuro? I will say, it looks cool as hell, the exterior. They're only make twenty-five.
26:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, I agree. The exterior is beautiful.
26:49 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, but, you know, it's, they, so, "The spread of ecstasy is made out of twenty-four karat gold."
26:54 Doug DeMuro? Oh, God.
26:55 Speaker 03 So it makes it truly taste like, tastes like car, but the most tasteful thing about it is they said that these cars will sell for approximately three million each.
27:01 Doug DeMuro? Three mil.
27:02 Speaker 04 Wow.
27:02 Speaker 03 Which is a lot more than a normal Phantom.
27:04 Speaker 04 That's a lot to tolerate that interior.
27:06 Doug DeMuro? So you could have that?
27:07 Speaker 03 Yep.
27:07 Doug DeMuro? Or a ratty F-50?
27:08 Speaker 03 Yep, so, yeah, and you get to stare at this.
27:10 Doug DeMuro? Well, thankfully, you don't have to stare at it because you're in the front, which hopefully doesn't look.
27:14 Speaker 03 No, no, it's a Phantom. You're being driven. You're in the back. You're stuck staring at this crap.
27:19 Doug DeMuro? Man.
27:19 Speaker 03 So, I don't know, it's one of the ugliest interiors I've ever seen.
27:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
27:22 Speaker 03 But, um, you know, but hey, good for Rolls Royce.
27:24 Doug DeMuro? I'm glad they were able to distill it down to just seventy-six, seventy-seven motifs.
27:28 Speaker 03 Right, well, hey, for, for seventy-five million dollars they'll bring in? Sure, whatever.
27:33 Speaker 04 Imagine you get just like a tiny tear in that upholstery.
27:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
27:36 Speaker 04 Can you patch that up?
27:38 Speaker 03 Right.
27:38 Speaker 04 Gotta start over.
27:39 Speaker 03 Right, yeah, you, yeah.
27:40 Doug DeMuro? But you could add some more motifs.
27:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's true, that's true.
27:43 Doug DeMuro? If it happened twenty years.
27:43 Speaker 04 It's like when you've got your whole arm with a tattoo sleeve, like you just keep adding more.
27:48 Doug DeMuro? You're stuck with that.
27:48 Speaker 04 Till it's all black.
27:49 Speaker 03 I mean, this.
27:50 Speaker 04 That, that would be the move, is just to fill the rest in.
27:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
27:52 Speaker 04 Just like dump some black paint on it and you have black seats.
27:54 Speaker 03 These seats look like they're out of a bus, though. The base cushion looks like that, and that looks like it's out of some.
27:59 Doug DeMuro? I was gonna say.
27:59 Speaker 03 Our deco bathroom.
28:00 Doug DeMuro? Looks like a nineties city bus. And then the regulatory seatbelts are so funny. Uh, okay. Is that the end of the news?
28:06 Speaker 03 That's the end of the news.
28:07 Doug DeMuro? Thank God. We have to move on to the Talk Cars segment, which is huge this week because we have an actual spot. You know how I always say the Talk Cars segment is sponsored by the Lebo? We have an actual sponsor this week and it's Pilote and they make driving shoes such as these. And they are actually legitimately cool. They look good. Nick?
28:27 Speaker 04 I'm actually wearing them. These were not sponsored, which I'm, you know, bummed about. Uh, yeah, no, they've been eaten by my dog, but I, I bought them when I got the Merciolago converted to stick so that I could shift my gears and modulate and heel toe a little bit better with the little rounded things.
28:41 Doug DeMuro? That's the thing that they have roll control heels, which actually help you heel toe. It helps like smoother pedal transitions to help you heel toe. We're going to drive this weekend. I'm going to wear these on the drive. I'm very excited for it.
28:53 Speaker 04 You know what's surprising about them is I was like, oh, 200 bucks for like a pair of driving shoes. I don't know. But they're actually really comfortable as normal shoes. Like despite having a flat bottom, like your, your heels don't hurt. So I wear them all around.
29:05 Doug DeMuro? Save them for your driving experience?
29:07 Speaker 04 No, I'm, as my dog chewed up soul show, like I'm wearing them as normal shoes.
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29:29 Speaker 04 Do I get that in a rear?
29:32 Speaker 04 Can you give me like 30 bucks?
29:34 Doug DeMuro? You bought them anyway.
29:35 Speaker 04 I know.
29:36 Speaker 03 It sounds like you're due for a new pair.
29:37 Doug DeMuro? They sent me these for free. How you feeling?
29:39 Speaker 04 Give you 30 bucks.
29:40 Doug DeMuro? Uh, we got a lot to talk about in the Talk Car segment. This is our most talking.
29:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, we do.
29:44 Doug DeMuro? Talk Car segment in the history of Talk Car segments.
29:46 Speaker 03 Okay.
29:47 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I think the number one thing we got to talk about is, well, wait, let me quickly, let me do a very quick. The Countach I posted on Instagram that it broke down. It was fixed instantly. No big deal. And everybody's like, you were just saying it was reliable. Still is.
30:00 Speaker 03 What was it?
30:01 Doug DeMuro? Uh, you want me to find out for you?
30:03 Speaker 03 I'd love to. I believe it was something with the distributor I was told.
30:06 Doug DeMuro? The distributor was, the drive gear on the distributor was stripped. They replaced the drive gear, reset the engine timing. They were able to do this, the, the car broke down over the weekend and, and by Monday, it was all good. I'm gonna do a whole video about it on my channel.
30:21 Speaker 03 Okay, great.
30:22 Doug DeMuro? But that's the basics and it was no big deal. And I want to say that-
30:25 Speaker 04 A whole video on a 24-hour turnaround fix?
30:27 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's one of my points.
30:28 Speaker 04 Sounds great.
30:29 Doug DeMuro? Everybody's like, "Oh, you were just saying it was reliable and now it jinxed it." As far as I'm concerned, if you're trying to daily-ish a 43-year-old supercar, to have one breakdown and the fix is like this four hours of labor, I'm still feeling it's pretty reliable.
30:45 Speaker 03 Right, it is. And ultimately-
30:47 Doug DeMuro? After two and a half years.
30:48 Speaker 03 It also kind of underscores like how basic that car actually is. It's not like modern supercars where you figure it out would take, you know, a team of engineers.
30:56 Doug DeMuro? There's all these fears about this car, but like it's just an old car. Now, there's some stuff that's real, but you address that stuff on your schedule when you're supposed to, with maintenance. But, you know, repairs and stuff-
31:08 Speaker 03 At the end of the day, it's not that crazy.
31:10 Speaker 04 Especially a carbureted car, like same with my dad's 67 Mustang. Like distributor cap, take it off, make sure it's not corroded, like clean them, put it back. Like it's-
31:18 Speaker 03 You can fix that thing with a screwdriver and a hosepipe.
31:20 Speaker 04 Couple of gold ones.
31:21 Doug DeMuro? And Nick has done it before.
31:22 Speaker 04 I have.
31:23 Doug DeMuro? He and Papa went out there.
31:24 Speaker 04 We did.
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32:54 Doug DeMuro? We gotta talk about the SLR. You've announced on your channel-
32:57 Speaker 04 The SLR, I'm no longer embargoing myself.
33:00 Doug DeMuro? I watched last week's-
33:01 Speaker 04 In part because Hoovy broke my embargo, so-
33:03 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, what was that? I watched last week's podcast and you weren't really-
33:08 Speaker 04 Hiding it.
33:09 Doug DeMuro? Hiding much.
33:10 Speaker 04 No.
33:10 Doug DeMuro? The car was, was sitting behind-
33:13 Speaker 04 I just didn't want to distract from the Merciolo ago while the auction was still live. And also I wanted to have a video to go along with it before I really talked about it. And both of those are true. So the Merciolo, we'll just quickly touch on that since it wasn't, it was partially discussed on the podcast, but got $290,000. The buyer is paid. It actually just got picked up like an hour ago by the shipper-
33:31 Doug DeMuro? It's going to Denver.
33:32 Speaker 04 Going to Denver. An enthusiast bought it who has a 355 GTS. A McLaren 650, like a super cool guy. Him and I have been like chatting. He's very much of our, he's like, I create a three-ring binder for every car. And like, so I've sent him all my service records.
33:46 Doug DeMuro? When I was a child in Denver, seeing this would have changed my life.
33:50 Speaker 04 You know what's even crazier? There's a guy five minutes from his house that has a Grigio Antares Merciolo Roadster that was also converted by Machina Motors.
33:58 Doug DeMuro? You're kidding.
33:59 Speaker 04 Five minutes away. So they're gonna have like twin cars, basically. But, uh, so that car sold. I was thrilled with the outcome and now I can like focus on the SLR now that that's like off my plate mentally and a- I cannot tell you how much I love the SLR.
34:14 Doug DeMuro? I'm so thrilled to hear that because there's so much BS about the SLR out there from people who have never even been near one.
34:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
34:20 Doug DeMuro? People who have never even seen one in their lives. And you've now driven one for quite some time.
34:26 Speaker 04 It really, it surprised me. I mean, having never driven one before buying it and it arriving, I was, you expect a Mercedes. Like I was expecting an SL500, a grandpa car. I was expecting it to be like soft, floaty, quiet, compliant, like very usable, but like maybe boring.
34:43 Doug DeMuro? Right.
34:43 Speaker 04 This car feels so much faster than the Mercy. It just like makes you giggle and squeal like a squirrel girl. Like I scared my wife, like literally the first drive. She's like, please stop doing this. And she's ridden in the Mercia Lago plenty, like, like she was as surprised as I was at just how fast and raw and analog it was.
35:00 Doug DeMuro? At one point Nick texted, uh, we have a group thread, me and Ken and a few other people. And Nick said, my life will be measured in pre, I'm trying to find these. My life will be measured in pre SL, from now on going forward, my life will be measured in pre SLR and post SLR.
35:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:15 Doug DeMuro? And you said something like, this is the greatest experience I've ever had, or something like that.
35:18 Speaker 04 It feels like a religious experience to me. I'm just, I, I, I'm getting like four miles per gallon because it's just like
35:27 Speaker 04 and then like, I just like giggle, giggle, giggle, giggle.
35:31 Speaker 04 Like I'm just doing that over and over again. Like I'm a boy who discovered his first, um.
35:36 Doug DeMuro? What?
35:36 Speaker 03 What Nick? Finish the thought.
35:38 Speaker 04 Dude. Toy car.
35:39 Doug DeMuro? I'm so pumped for you. I think this is so great. I think the SLR is undervalued. I think it is cool as hell to drive. It's sitting over there. I think it is so cool to look at.
35:48 Speaker 04 It's very special to look at, but what I'm, what I appreciated over the weekend, so it was my birthday, my wife and I went out on a date, we went to pickleball. No one looked at me.
35:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
35:57 Speaker 04 Right? Like I'm used to between the Multipla, the Mercy, even the Bentley, I'm used to getting stared at every time I go somewhere and not a soul ever even looked twice.
36:06 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
36:06 Speaker 04 And so to me, that's wonderful because I can go places kind of anonymously, but at the same time, like if you're an enthusiast, you look at it and you're like, holy crap, that is neat.
36:14 Doug DeMuro? It is a supercar that you can like really truly use. It is a very usable car.
36:19 Speaker 03 They're kind of experiencing what he experienced with the Carrera GT. And that only the people who know, the people who'd actually want to have conversations with us as opposed to what are you doing for a living? And that sort of thing. Those people notice it and everybody else just thinks it's not.
36:28 Doug DeMuro? The drawback of the Carrera GT though is it's so much more fragile. And I think one of the cool things about the SLR is you can use it. Like the approach angles, the departure angles, it's like a normal car.
36:37 Speaker 04 It doesn't have axle lift, which is the only bummer relative to the Mercy. I might have scraped the front bumper just to touch.
36:44 Doug DeMuro? What's under there? Like the Countach is no problem to scrape. You just have to paint it every so often.
36:49 Speaker 04 There's a, I mean, there's a little overhang of the bumper and then under trace from that.
36:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
36:54 Speaker 04 But, and I just got a little bit of the bumper, but it's going to Kevin for paint protection film tomorrow.
36:59 Doug DeMuro? Oh, good. It doesn't have PPF at all?
37:00 Speaker 04 No, and it's only got 4,800 miles. Like the paint's pristine.
37:03 Doug DeMuro? I also think you just bought the perfect one because, because it had had this electrical incident. We're not calling it a fire. It was a flames.
37:12 Speaker 03 Just, just like Vietnam was a conflict.
37:14 Speaker 04 A minor short, like I've had in my Bentley three times.
37:18 Doug DeMuro? Because it had this incident, you know, it's priced at a level where it should be a higher mileage car priced at that point.
37:24 Speaker 04 Yep.
37:24 Doug DeMuro? So you can really enjoy the miles without kind of worrying about, even though it's a super low mileage car.
37:29 Speaker 03 And ultimately the condition is excellent because it hasn't been driven.
37:32 Doug DeMuro? The silver is beautiful.
37:33 Speaker 04 Nicest car I've ever had. Hoovy took good care of it despite his reputation for being a hoop-dee guy. Like,
37:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
37:39 Speaker 04 It needs nothing. It came with a Fleetwood Mac CD in the trunk. Like I'm thrilled.
37:43 Doug DeMuro? Hoovy and April listen to Fleetwood Mac.
37:45 Speaker 04 Steely Dan, he blames the previous owner, which was Wayne Carini and Dennis Collins. However, somewhere along that lineage had some boomerish taste to music, which I don't mind. Steely Dan's not so bad, but,
37:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
37:59 Speaker 04 You know?
37:59 Doug DeMuro? Thanks, Trevor. Listen, no offense.
38:02 Speaker 04 I assume that's what you listen to.
38:03 Speaker 03 You're correct. It is.
38:05 Speaker 04 I checked it out. I didn't hate it.
38:07 Speaker 03 Steely Dan is on the soundtrack of my life.
38:09 Speaker 04 All right.
38:10 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
38:10 Doug DeMuro? Oh my God. Two guys from Ohio talking about Steely Dan. Um, how lovely.
38:16 Speaker 04 I'm so thrilled though, and it is funny because you and I have joked that, hey, on the podcast, we say what we're looking to buy, then the cars kind of find us, and that's what happened with the SLR. And I hope that happens with you and your 993.
38:29 Doug DeMuro? I, folks, I'm ready to get a 993 Turbo. I'm ready to get an arena red 993 Turbo. I was on the 993 forums the other day and somebody posted all proudly. They had just bought a 993 Turbo. They had just begun living.
38:41 Speaker 04 You know what?
38:42 Doug DeMuro? The dream, the fantasy.
38:43 Speaker 03 It's pre 993 Turbo, Doug, and there will eventually be post 993 Turbo.
38:47 Speaker 04 I went to Radwood over the weekend and you ruined it for me. Because there was one for sale with the for sale sign at 200,000 miles. Literally everyone came up to me and say, hey, Nick, or whatever. They said, hey, did you see the 993? You should text Doug. You should text Doug. I'm like, I have. He's seen it. He's not interested. It's too many miles. Please like introduce yourself, something else. No, actually legitimately though. Like Radwood was amazing and people were really nice.
39:10 Doug DeMuro? GM EV1, you know, the number of people who sent me the GM EV1. When you get to, when you get to like be like a figure, which are you're now, as far as I'm concerned. The number of people you could, if an SLR is in the news.
39:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:23 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna get hundreds of people, everybody that you've ever met or heard about is gonna send you and be like, here's something and you're gonna have to politely reply.
39:32 Speaker 03 Unlike the third podcast we ever did or whatever, I mentioned the Volkswagen Golf, like W12. I, hundreds and hundreds of people sent me.
39:42 Speaker 04 It is helpful.
39:42 Speaker 03 Instagram posts.
39:43 Speaker 04 It is helpful. Like when I said I'm looking for a multiple, a lot of people did reach out and give me some legitimate leads on it. So it is good. It just, it's a lot.
39:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's, I love it. I'm very happy people think of, think of us.
39:54 Doug DeMuro? Okay, tell me about the 1990s car show that you went to over the weekend.
39:58 Speaker 03 1980s and 90s?
39:59 Doug DeMuro? 80s and 90s.
40:00 Speaker 04 It was actually really, really fun. Um, what I learned about Radwood is, you know, we go to a lot of like cars and coffees and there's Ferrari 458s everywhere and you kind of get like numb to just seeing supercar after supercar after supercar. Radwood brings out the best kind of enthusiasts and the best kind of cars. I mean, there was everything from like a 1980s Ram pickup that was just like Survivor, bone stock to like low riders with graphics and body drops and. There was also some nice cars like the Peterson brought in an EB110 and 959. The multiple was there parked between the porta potties and a Testerosa.
40:34 Speaker 03 Where it belongs.
40:35 Speaker 04 I love it. In art, the director.
40:38 Doug DeMuro? It's like, it's like a.
40:39 Speaker 03 Yep, it's a graph. It's like the ascendancy.
40:41 Doug DeMuro? It's a graph. Porta potty, the multiple, the Testerosa.
40:43 Speaker 04 I think it was intentional and I love it. Like, so everyone there has a sense of humor. The people there are so nice. It felt like a more diverse crowd in a like very, very positive way. Like, people are just into different, like, one person came up to me, goes, you've mentioned on the pod an Acura Vigor. And then put on the screen a legend. And they were like, that really bothered me. And I'm like, that is the type of person that goes to Radwood, you know, like, I, that is a real enthusiast and I loved it.
41:09 Doug DeMuro? For whoever that was, that bothers me too. The Vigor, as we all know, was a five cylinder.
41:14 Speaker 03 Like an Audi.
41:15 Doug DeMuro? Um, we've had some five cylinders.
41:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, we have, we have.
41:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:19 Speaker 04 Double down.
41:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:20 Speaker 04 Um, so yeah, it was, it was a thrill. I did not win anything, which I was.
41:23 Doug DeMuro? I was gonna say, you didn't win? The last time you were at Radwood, you won.
41:26 Speaker 04 I did. I did. I was hoping for it to be, I think I needed like graphics and a little bit more 90s flair, although I wore neon green hammer pants, a pink ball cap. Like, I tried really hard.
41:36 Doug DeMuro? I agree with your assessment of Radwood. I think Radwood is a super fun event. I've only went to one because I, they're always in LA.
41:42 Speaker 04 This one was way better than the, the last one that you and I went to.
41:44 Doug DeMuro? The one I went to was when you showed your XP8, your Saline Explorer, and you won, with the best SUV, right?
41:49 Speaker 04 Yeah, Ratus.
41:50 Doug DeMuro? At Ratus SUV, and it was a killer. My Countach won Ratus car at Radwood 2018 or something.
41:55 Speaker 04 There was a 40th anniversary there.
41:56 Speaker 03 Covenant.
41:57 Doug DeMuro? 40th anniversary.
41:57 Speaker 04 20, 25th anniversary.
42:00 Doug DeMuro? He's still a mercy, he's a mercy guy at heart.
42:02 Speaker 03 See, Elliot.
42:03 Doug DeMuro? Um, but it is such a fun show. And I'll tell you something, as a guy who like really lived through that era and is into those, and has driven all the supercars, the stuff that's more appealing to me now is like the Survivor caravans and Acura Viggers and things like that.
42:15 Speaker 03 Everybody took care of an F40, so few people took care of those cars. And that's just, I would, it really catches your eye when you see a clean one.
42:21 Speaker 04 Yeah. Yeah. And there was, everything there was like, just.
42:24 Doug DeMuro? And that's what I remember from going to, the one that you and me went to when he was showing his car. Like, clean, like Mazda 626, like, stuff that just shouldn't have been saved.
42:32 Speaker 03 Remember two things about that, and on the way there, we saw a 355 broken.
42:35 Doug DeMuro? Broken down on the
42:36 Speaker 03 You said to me, you sure you want to buy a 355? I did anyway.
42:39 Doug DeMuro? It wasn't even Redwood related, it was on the 73, it was like two hours before.
42:42 Speaker 03 But they were headed, I think I know where the 355 was. Yeah, absolutely. They would have gotten there about the same time, I think it was.
42:48 Doug DeMuro? It was Orange County.
42:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was always Orange County.
42:50 Speaker 04 I was pleased the multiple, despite it being like a lot of time in that car. It does freeway speeds fine, like it, it got me there and back without issue or drama, which it is not, a lot of folks there are like, the one guy was like, I had a broken foot, I drove down from like Seattle or somewhere crazy, and I realized mid-drive the cruise control didn't work. You know, like people really sacrificed to get their cars there and I'm like, yeah, it was like a hour and a half leisurely drive in the morning.
43:15 Doug DeMuro? And the multiple is so cool, there must have been, it must have been a huge hit.
43:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, a lot of people came up, super excited about it.
43:19 Doug DeMuro? Who knew about, they've been watching or they're just, just people who are like, who are you and why?
43:22 Speaker 04 I think both. Yeah, I mean, a few people came up to me like crazy, Nick, and I'm not used to being recognized or called crazy by strangers, but like, get used to it. That was really fun. And then other people are just like, what on earth is this thing? And then you get to explain it and I just hung out around the car most of the time, watching people engage with the car and be impressed by the car and it made my day. Like I had such a fun time.
43:43 Doug DeMuro? I'm glad to hear it. I'm sad I couldn't go, I was out of town. I love Redwood, I love going to Redwood. And if they ever did one in San Diego.
43:49 Speaker 04 I know.
43:49 Doug DeMuro? It would change my life. They think SoCal is LA. What about us?
43:54 Speaker 04 It is, it is just far enough, especially since you, you can't leave early, so you, if you're showing your car, you're committed.
44:00 Doug DeMuro? The whole day.
44:00 Speaker 04 So I left at like 7:30 AM and I think I got home at 6.
44:04 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, that's the problem.
44:05 Speaker 04 It's a long day.
44:06 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of the whole day, Kennan has an experience that he did. Kennan went to Mexico City this week for the Formula One race.
44:12 Speaker 03 Yes, as I mentioned, I went to see, to see the Grand Prix from our friend Kevin's bachelor party and you couldn't be there because you were out of town, you couldn't be there because it was your birthday. But it was awesome. We had a great time. Mexico City is an amazing place. And the car enthusiasts in Mexico City are wild. Like there, there is some great stuff there. A lot of it is hidden, admittedly, but like, there's some amazing cars there. We, we just went and got dinner at like this bar that was just like around. And we were talking to the, like, a, um, it was an Expedition, an Eddie Bauer Expedition drove by.
44:40 Speaker 04 Nice.
44:40 Speaker 03 And like, we were all freaking out over that and they like knew we were car people, so they like brought their phones up and like, cars and it was like they're flipping through like McLaren, Fiat, whatever, and then E39M5 and I lost.
44:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
44:50 Speaker 03 I was thrilled about, but we went to the race and the race was so much fun. In case you don't know, the, the circuit cuts through an old baseball stadium. So it's like, I've seen the actual track goes through the middle, which is really cool. Um, and it's very hard on the cars because you're at high elevation. So brakes are, cooling is a problem in general. So they run like special engine covers like just huge slices in them. The race itself wasn't super.
45:12 Doug DeMuro? I saw a track marshal almost got hit. Were you there for that?
45:14 Speaker 03 No, that was a different corner, but that was crazy. Uh, and that, that was like the FAA is investigating that and how that happened. It was a wild race. A lot happened, but the coolest thing I think that you two would appreciate at the beginning was the driver parade. This happened like there are a number of manufacturers, you know, obviously make cars as well in distance to race cars. So they put the drivers in equivalents of what those cars are. For McLaren, they had an MP412C Spider for some reason.
45:38 Doug DeMuro? Cause it was local.
45:38 Speaker 03 Cause it was local. Well, you know what else was local? An F50 and a LaFerrari Peerta. And so Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc were in a, the blue carbon F50, which everybody was freaking out about like, oh, it's the rare blue carbon. It's like, well, it's modified. The car started out, it's like red, but it was nonetheless, it's like, we, we didn't know it was going to be there. We just saw this F50 on the track. It's like, oh my God.
46:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
46:00 Speaker 03 And then they got in and just like sat on the engine cover.
46:03 Doug DeMuro? I saw that. I was shocked by that.
46:04 Speaker 03 I, cause yeah, I've held.
46:06 Doug DeMuro? That's like how those driver parades go. They leave the.
46:08 Speaker 03 Yeah. And the LaFerrari Peerta too, because the Ferrari engine powers some of, some of their cars, like their, their, their drivers in those two, but like, it was just like so cool to see.
46:16 Doug DeMuro? Does it trouble you that the highlight of the Formula One race was when a street car drove around the track?
46:22 Speaker 03 Well, and as an F1, a real F1 engine, something you could aspire to.
46:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Like, just like my career.
46:27 Speaker 04 My highlight of that photo was Max Verstappen just behind the F50 in a Ford Mustang base model that looked like he went to Hertz. And they're like, oh, for $10 more, you can get a convertible.
46:37 Speaker 03 I don't know.
46:38 Speaker 04 Like, why did they not try at all?
46:40 Doug DeMuro? Use local people's cars.
46:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:43 Speaker 03 Yes, and admittedly, I mean, not all of the manufacturers then make those cars. There are like ender, engine manufacturers, like your SLR could have been, could be a Formula One.
46:52 Speaker 04 Be a lot cooler than a V6.
46:53 Doug DeMuro? Cadillac's running, they're gonna have people in the.
46:56 Speaker 03 Well, that was the other thing, the number.
46:57 Doug DeMuro? Devils.
46:58 Speaker 03 Yeah. Because Sergio Perez, Mexican driver, is going to drive for Cadillac next year. The number of like Cadillac hats and things was always tense, which is cool. I'm excited to see another team on the grid, two technically outies gonna replay Sauber. But nonetheless, it was like, yeah, the race was exciting for me in that a Ferrari finished second, which is kind of sad, that's why we have to celebrate, but that's their, you know, first podium of the year, which is kind of sad.
47:21 Doug DeMuro? Is that true?
47:22 Speaker 03 Um, or, uh, it's not their first podium of the year, but it's like, it was looking like they were going to like, we're gonna have a Lewis Hamilton two, like Charlotte Clark and Lewis Hamilton. Unfortunately, Hamilton ran a penalty, 10 seconds, didn't end up on the podium. But nonetheless.
47:36 Doug DeMuro? Nothing like a good penalty.
47:37 Speaker 03 But they didn't win, which was sad. Lando Norris won the race, but we were really hoping Ferrari would win. But nonetheless, they at least were standing on the top steps.
47:45 Doug DeMuro? I'm proud of you, I'm glad you like Mexico City. I think Mexico City is one of the coolest places. My personal view on, take on the car scene in Mexico City was not as positive as yours. Uh, I, I, though I did enjoy the smattering of Dodge Neons from all generations.
47:58 Speaker 03 I enjoyed that too, saw a neon SRT4, which is very cool.
48:01 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
48:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, a reel in Mexico City.
48:03 Doug DeMuro? But I deeply love Mexico City, uh, and it sounds like a cool place to go see a Formula One race.
48:08 Speaker 03 Oh, really cool. And I highly recommend that if anybody get, if you're a Formula One fan, you've never been to a race, find one that is accessible to you. I highly encourage you to look at going to foreign countries. It's expensive to get there, but once you are, the tickets aren't so bad. Um, but it's so cool to see the cars and hear the cars and smell them and like the whole thing in person. It's a much different experience and everyone should do it, if you can.
48:26 Doug DeMuro? Have you been to a Formula One race?
48:28 Speaker 04 I went to Vegas for FP1 and that was the year that then someone ran over a manhole and they shut it all down. So of course, I saw like a lap of a free practice one, but that's it.
48:40 Speaker 03 But you got to meet David Coulthard, didn't you?
48:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, yeah, it was, we were like VIP with the whole track set thing.
48:44 Doug DeMuro? It was, next year, let's you and me go to Vegas together, just the two of us.
48:48 Speaker 04 Can your SLR?
48:49 Speaker 03 There's still time.
48:50 Doug DeMuro? Oh, okay, this year. Anyway, Formula One, Kennan, Sauna 50, that's the highlight of the Formula One experience.
48:55 Speaker 04 That's a pretty good weekend.
48:56 Speaker 03 It's pretty good. And we celebrated Kevin, that's what really counts.
48:59 Doug DeMuro? I got two talk cars things I want to talk about, can you pull up the slides, please?
49:03 Speaker 03 Yes.
49:04 Doug DeMuro? That's a Mercedes GLK.
49:05 Speaker 03 I've seen one.
49:06 Doug DeMuro? By the way, these, these, these talk car segments are only for the viewers. The two, these two will not care about either one. I'm doing these only for you, watching at home.
49:17 Doug DeMuro? This is a Mercedes Benz GLK. I was in Washington DC all week. Not a lot of cool cars there. So anyway, Mercedes Benz GLK, normal GLK, regular model, base model GLK 350. Except, except, look a little closer, can it? There's a picture of the GLK on the GLK.
49:35 Speaker 03 Well, that's suspicious.
49:36 Doug DeMuro? You ever see that before?
49:38 Speaker 04 I have because you texted it to me two days ago and I didn't care then.
49:41 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you something.
49:42 Speaker 04 Still don't care now.
49:43 Doug DeMuro? If you're a car enthusiast, you still don't put a picture of your car on your car.
49:47 Speaker 03 No, because I remember what it looks like.
49:48 Doug DeMuro? But if you have a GLK, you especially don't put a picture of your car on your car.
49:54 Speaker 03 But it makes me wonder, we had that GLK with the V8 swap, the guy did the manual thing.
49:58 Doug DeMuro? Oh, you think that's this?
49:59 Speaker 03 Well, this guy might be an enthusiast, maybe it says 350.
50:02 Doug DeMuro? There's no enthusiast who owns a GLK, there's not one. I don't even know how you'd get one of these decals.
50:06 Speaker 03 You have, you have some crazy shirts of cars that are very obscure. You're right, though, I don't know what's going, I'd love to know the story.
50:13 Doug DeMuro? How do you, if you have a GLK, how do you care enough to put a GLK sticker on your GLK?
50:19 Speaker 04 Doug is the kind of guy that...
50:20 Speaker 03 They love it.
50:21 Doug DeMuro? Would put a GLK sticker on GLK, but I would never have a GLK in the first place. I promise you, 90% of people who have GLKs don't know what they're driving.
50:30 Doug DeMuro? Period.
50:31 Speaker 03 I love the GLK.
50:32 Speaker 04 That was just what was in stock.
50:33 Doug DeMuro? Or like what their parents bought them as a used car, because this is a $7,000 used car now. Please bring up the next slide, which is this. Now Nick, are you aware of why this is special?
50:42 Speaker 04 The wheels imply that it is a heavy duty version.
50:45 Doug DeMuro? The wheel, very good, that's very good.
50:47 Speaker 04 That's all I know.
50:48 Doug DeMuro? This is a guy who grew up with horses.
50:50 Speaker 04 Those, those windows also look to be like bulletproof or...
50:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, it looks armored.
50:53 Doug DeMuro? If you spend any time in, in Washington DC, you will see armored, heavy duty Yukons and Suburbans. They're common. However, this one is particularly interesting and you'd have to have quite an eye to notice. And there'll be nine viewers who are going to be like, yeah. They're, they never made, GM at any point in the history of the Suburban, never made a short wheelbase heavy duty. But this is a short wheelbase heavy duty. And not only that, but it's a Denali.
51:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:20 Doug DeMuro? So some, some big wig is getting driven around in a non-existent short wheelbase heavy duty. And in a Denali. What is, our tax dollars aren't going to put these people in base models anymore. They want luxury. This is a crazy car. If you're into these like high, heavy duties GM SUVs, and there is a group of people who are really into them, this is a really unusual vehicle.
51:44 Speaker 04 It looks weird being that short.
51:45 Doug DeMuro? It does look very weird. Heavy duty shouldn't be that short. The eight lug wheels, it's crazy. Obviously, it's also bulletproof, but a lot of these big SUVs in DC are bulletproof. But this is a really unusual car to see a shorty heavy duty and to see a Yukon being used, or a Denali being used for this purpose.
52:01 Speaker 04 You know what they're not using? Toyota Sequoia. You know why?
52:05 Doug DeMuro? Why?
52:06 Speaker 04 Because they want an American car.
52:07 Doug DeMuro? You know, the Sequoia, it's actually an interesting point. The Sequoia is built in the United States, and so it would qualify for the Buy American Act. They should be using Sequoias.
52:15 Speaker 04 I think it's great that they're using Denali's. Big fan.
52:19 Doug DeMuro? You're cool with the fact that they're driving around in ventilated rear seats?
52:23 Speaker 04 I mean, it's not like it's an IQ. There's levels. It's not a Range Rover full-size, which is what they really wanted, and they settled with a Denali.
52:31 Doug DeMuro? What do you think Papa would say about his tax dollars going to buy these people luxury cars?
52:37 Speaker 04 He would say, at least it's not a Cadillac.
52:39 Speaker 03 At least it's not a Cadillac.
52:40 Doug DeMuro? It is never a Cadillac.
52:41 Speaker 03 I have driven thousands of Cadillacs, well, hundreds.
52:44 Doug DeMuro? But it's the same thing. Denali is an Escalade. Yeah, but this is a cool car. If you're into this stuff, please leave a comment and make sure, and let me know that I'm not the only one.
52:55 Doug DeMuro? Our Talk Car segment is done. Oh, unless you want to talk about the A2.
52:57 Speaker 03 So the Audi A2. So I was here late at the office the other night, cleaning the M5, getting it dialed in, and I went to leave, and it was very misty, and I don't like to, I had just been hours making the car perfect. And I was like, oh, I could drive whatever, but then I noticed that the Audi A2 was looking lonely in the car. So I grabbed the keys. And I was also like, you know what? It needs to be driven because you're not really driving it, and there's anybody else.
53:18 Doug DeMuro? No, not really. I filmed one video with it, and I haven't touched it since then. To all those who believe that it's my car.
53:24 Speaker 03 Right, so I went, it's the company's car, so I went and drove it with those embarrassing plates that you got. And it's a perfectly acceptable, boring car. I really love the shifter. The clutch is not very good. It's well-made. It's well-thought-out, and I thought it was actually kind of enjoyable. It was fun driving a little car for the first time in a long time. And it's very odd. It has some odd things. When you downshift, it won't let you do full throttle to like blip. It like limits how much you can do. You can only do like a third throttle. It's like.
53:55 Speaker 04 Doesn't want you to get too crazy.
53:56 Speaker 03 Right.
53:56 Speaker 04 Too bad they didn't have that in the.
53:57 Speaker 03 That's crazy.
53:58 Speaker 04 Yeah, maybe it's just that slow to rev.
54:00 Speaker 03 No, well, that too. But I actually really enjoy driving it and it is, nobody notices it.
54:06 Speaker 04 No, yeah, for sure. Everyone enjoys driving it the first time. Yep.
54:10 Speaker 03 Maybe if it's misty again, I'll drive it a second time.
54:13 Speaker 04 Not, not worth it.
54:15 Speaker 03 Not worth it, but I enjoyed it. Needs windshield wipers and alignment, but outside of that, it's a.
54:19 Speaker 04 It drives much nicer than the multiple. However, the multiple is weird enough that it at least evokes like joy and
54:25 Speaker 03 Well, I am curious about that.
54:27 Speaker 04 People versus the A2 is just like forgettable.
54:29 Speaker 03 I am curious about that because it sounds like you're kind of implying that.
54:31 Speaker 04 I mean, I'm daily driving it. So unlike it like, and I have had some people like actually stop like in traffic in a turn lane and be like, Oh my gosh, I've been wanting to see that. So like it, it, it's fun to daily it for that perspective, but like The Bentley is like, if I'm taking my kids somewhere like that has 600 foot pound of torque and is like actually fun to drive. The multiple is like, it's 100 horsepower diesel.
54:54 Speaker 03 What is the latest on the Bentley, Nick? Is it running?
54:57 Speaker 04 Uh, it's on its third mechanic in three months. They texted today. It's been there a week saying they're gonna start work on it today.
55:05 Speaker 03 This is why I never want to own an Arnage.
55:07 Speaker 04 It's gonna be sold as soon as I can get it fixed, which may never happen.
55:12 Speaker 03 What a disaster.
55:13 Speaker 04 It is as bad as everyone warned me.
55:15 Speaker 03 Well, you bought a bad one also. I understand a new, a nicer one would maybe eventually get this one. And you worked out with the battery plugged in.
55:22 Doug DeMuro? Will you admit now that maybe going the dug route sometimes and buying a nicer one so you don't have to do all this BS? Maybe is a good idea.
55:31 Speaker 04 But this one was purple.
55:34 Speaker 03 There'll be no.
55:35 Speaker 04 Purple, no reserve. It was a deal.
55:38 Doug DeMuro? It was a deal because it was trash and it hasn't run right since you bought it a year ago.
55:41 Speaker 04 It ran well for a couple of months until Sean borrowed it.
55:44 Speaker 03 Dude, you're gonna get destroyed.
55:45 Speaker 04 I'm gonna get destroyed. I thankfully walked away with the mercy with a little spending change in my pocket.
55:51 Speaker 03 It's all going to the.
55:52 Speaker 04 Cancel out the Arnage.
55:54 Speaker 03 If you had just spent up the equivalent amount that you spent on a nice Arnage, it wouldn't have.
55:57 Speaker 04 I agree, but then what, what, what, what, you know, what would be the fun in that?
56:01 Doug DeMuro? A functional car.
56:03 Speaker 04 I could go buy a Denali and whoo, whoop de doo.
56:05 Doug DeMuro? I agree with you that it's more enjoyable for the content to have a car that has some foibles. But your Anas has not been running right in a year.
56:13 Speaker 04 I've driven it like twice in the last two months and both times are to or from a mechanic. So yeah, it's a little tiresome.
56:21 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we gotta move on to the market report, which we don't have much time for because the questions this week are very good. Let's talk market report and specifically, Nick, start us off with the R63.
56:31 Speaker 04 Since I got the SLR all of two weeks ago, I've been obsessed with the idea of getting an R63. What I have found is-
56:37 Doug DeMuro? Why? Because you want like to be a Mercedes?
56:39 Speaker 04 The ultimate two-car combo. I would ideally like silver, but what I found is there were not many R63s to begin with. So often there's none for sale or there's like A1 for sale. Most of them are miled up, meaning well over 100,000 miles.
56:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
56:53 Speaker 04 A lot of them are modified because like it was mostly owned by enthusiasts at this point. A lot of them are wrecked as well because they were not preserved. You drove them. So usually it's 6,000, 100,000 miles plus, an accident on the Carfax, some mods that are questionable. This has none of that. It's what 60-some thousand miles. It is no accidents. They did the head bolts. It is beautiful. Yes. So like this is a, I won't say once in a lifetime opportunity, but it's one where find me another one. Find me another one this nice. So I want to buy one, but it's also, this is like the opposite of my Bentley. It's too nice for me. The SLR owner too affordable.
57:29 Doug DeMuro? You could use this though.
57:30 Speaker 04 Oh, and it's got three rows. I mean, this, this solves every problem I have in life and then some.
57:35 Doug DeMuro? Are you gonna bet?
57:36 Speaker 04 I'm just gonna comment and pull a Filippo here.
57:39 Doug DeMuro? Really? Because this is-
57:41 Speaker 04 It's a pretty-
57:45 Doug DeMuro? That's a Filippo.
57:47 Speaker 04 I should bet on it.
57:48 Doug DeMuro? Well, why not? Nick, you're about to sell the Bentley in theory.
57:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, I really need to sell the Bentley first.
57:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but these never come up, like you said. So I looked it up. They sold 113 in North America. And they only, and two other good things about it.
58:02 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:02 Doug DeMuro? They only made about 200 globally, so it's super rare. And it was built in Alabama, so Papa would be happy.
58:07 Speaker 04 Papa would be very proud. The important part too is-
58:13 Speaker 04 I forgot. There was an important part to it though.
58:15 Doug DeMuro? You're not interested in this?
58:16 Speaker 04 I'm no, I'm very interested in it. I think it will set a new high watermark for the R63 because it is so clean compared to a lot of the other ones that have sold.
58:25 Doug DeMuro? I wish it had the original wheels. These are GL63 wheels, which probably fit the R63 a little better. However, I really love, and finding a set of these is like, I mean, there's only 200 of these cars. So it's basically.
58:36 Speaker 03 But also, I mean, this one we sold last year, Nick, and this was 35 and had 140,000 miles. So like, you're right.
58:41 Doug DeMuro? They often get miled up. The one that I did a video on, which was years ago, it was this like Ukrainian dude in Philly and it had a rebuilt title and a ton of miles. But it was like an R63. It was what I could find.
58:52 Speaker 04 It also feels like this is the ultimate multipla. Like it's kind of the same shape and ugliness as a multipla, but with the 6.2 liter V8, you know?
59:01 Doug DeMuro? Yep, I agree.
59:02 Speaker 04 Awesome.
59:02 Doug DeMuro? I agree. I will tell you, having driven one, one of the few people in the world who has.
59:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
59:07 Doug DeMuro? It's not a dynamic masterpiece.
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59:37 Speaker 03 It's just a minivan with a big engine.
59:39 Speaker 04 That's probably why people mod them is to try to make it a little bit more engaging, like an RS6 where it's.
59:44 Doug DeMuro? I do think it's cool as hell.
59:45 Speaker 03 Oh, it's so cool. I've only ever seen two my entire life.
59:48 Doug DeMuro? I've seen a very, very.
59:49 Speaker 04 It seems like a lot of them that I've seen across the web sell plus or minus 40, which is still a lot of, I mean, it's, it's a lot for this era 6.2 AMG otherwise.
59:58 Doug DeMuro? A lot of the, an E-Class, an E63 sedan is like a 15 car.
1:00:01 Speaker 04 And an R320 or whatever is like a $5,000 car.
1:00:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
1:00:05 Speaker 04 But I think this one will do much better than that, just given how well-kept it was. And people that aren't as stupid as me buying a, a beat up Bentley that, that will pay an extra for that.
1:00:15 Doug DeMuro? Uh, on the subject of Mercedes-Benz, I want you to bid on this car, legit. I think you really should. This will hold its value like crazy. The headwinds are done. You're going to regret not buying this car if you don't buy it.
1:00:24 Speaker 04 I am going to regret buying it.
1:00:25 Doug DeMuro? Another one will not come up for over a year.
1:00:27 Speaker 03 Think about how cool we can look at Car Week, rolling deep in this thing.
1:00:30 Doug DeMuro? It's so cool.
1:00:31 Speaker 04 Mercedes themselves brought one to Car Week last year, remember? It was a red one.
1:00:34 Doug DeMuro? That's right, that's right.
1:00:34 Speaker 04 So of those 200, Mercedes corporate of America owns at least one of them.
1:00:39 Doug DeMuro? And it's 200 globally. It's only 113 for North America.
1:00:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:43 Doug DeMuro? And some of them are probably.
1:00:44 Speaker 03 So it leaves 112 for the rest of us.
1:00:46 Doug DeMuro? And apparently seven of those were in Canada. And Alabama built. Non-union.
1:00:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:53 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Uh, I want to talk E55 real quick. We just sold a really nice, you can just type E55. We just sold a really nice, this one, a 2001 E55. Oh, one is a facelift car. Uh, scroll down. It was like 60,000 miles, 70,000 miles, very low for this powertrain. That's like barely getting broken in. It was, um, so facelift cars were oh, one, oh, two only. 17 grand. This car is still a bargain.
1:01:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:18 Doug DeMuro? I owned one of these. It is the car that I most think about that I sold. It is not my yellow Defender, which was so associated with me. It is this car. I loved my 210 E55, especially one that hasn't been miled up, which is getting harder and harder to find. And especially not a pre-facelift car, which just wasn't as nice inside or out. This is a really nice car, really good miles, and it's only 17 grand. It's fun to drive. It's reliable. It's fast. It's better than an E39M5. There's a lot of great things about it.
1:01:47 Speaker 03 Every magazine test from the period disagrees with that, and so do I. Uh, but it is.
1:01:52 Doug DeMuro? For 17, though.
1:01:53 Speaker 03 But for, that's the thing. E39M5 values have gone.
1:01:55 Doug DeMuro? What would a 72,000 mile, nice E39M5 sell for?
1:01:58 Speaker 03 35 probably more than that, maybe for an 01. But yeah, I mean, I agree. I think the T10 is one of the most compelling cars Mercedes-Benz made. I think they are dramatically undervalued and they shouldn't be. Uh, and.
1:02:10 Doug DeMuro? They're getting harder to find in nice shape. And they've come up, like I bought basically this exact same car in Atlanta 12 years ago for 12 grand. They've come up.
1:02:20 Speaker 03 Barely.
1:02:20 Doug DeMuro? But not much.
1:02:21 Speaker 03 Inflation has kept pace with that, so.
1:02:24 Doug DeMuro? Look at the interior too. These interiors hold up, like shockingly well. I, I don't necessarily know that they hold up in terms of design and style, but the materials are high quality. They're really nice and they generally don't get a lot of the cracks and stuff that you see in the, uh, 124s. And even some of the later cars. I love those things.
1:02:41 Speaker 03 This one's worn, but not crazy. Um, but I, I, and it just looks, the side profile, look at those.
1:02:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Great. Truly, this car drives great, too. It is a great powertrain that just feels smooth, smooth and powerful at all parts of the rev range. There's no waiting for a turbo to spool. There's no peaky BS like in certain other brands' cars from this era.
1:03:02 Speaker 03 But I love these cars. My grandfather had a 210 E420. Yes, GD, you called him for granddad GD. He had an E420 for the longest time, and I always looked at the 55. I was like, oh, man, I wish he got the 55. But I love, I love the 210. They're so solidly made and I just adore those cars.
1:03:20 Doug DeMuro? I think it's incredibly cool. I can't believe there's still only this much money. I thought they were gonna take off and that, that was gonna be that, and they never really.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 The transmission is not inspiring, I think.
1:03:28 Doug DeMuro? It's not, but, but I would daily the hell out of this car. Like, it's not a car I would take on back roads or, but if you're looking for like a fun daily, it is reliable, it is holding its value, it holds up well, it's not that expensive to own compared to a lot of other AMG cars. It is a very reasonable car for this money. I think it's, if, if you got 20 grand and you wanted a fun daily, buy that. Or a Z06. Kennan, you gotta give us your market report, 512TR.
1:03:53 Speaker 03 Oh, yes, we have a very cool 512 Testeros on the site. Now, I always, always love the 512TR. I think the, the improvements they did to this car dramatically changed the, the Testeros platform. They got real, they like loaded the engine because they got rid of the subframe that sits in, so it handled much better. They've added magnesium wheels, much better suspension geometry, revises styling a little bit. Much better car than.
1:04:12 Doug DeMuro? Looks better, interior's better.
1:04:14 Speaker 03 It just is better. But the interesting thing about this one is that it is a Euro and it has miles on it, quite a few miles. 120,000 kilometers, which is good for the guy who drove this thing, which is nuts on one of these cars. Because think about how many times that engine has been in and out and in and out of that engine paper belt. Probably quite a lot.
1:04:33 Doug DeMuro? This car, despite the plates, which are from Vienna and Austria, it's, it is in the US, it is on a US title.
1:04:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's in Washington, I believe.
1:04:40 Doug DeMuro? And.
1:04:41 Speaker 03 Washington State.
1:04:42 Doug DeMuro? What a crazy thing. What a crazy, no comps.
1:04:44 Speaker 03 No, Chris Harris's 512TR has a ton of miles on it, too. I think.
1:04:48 Doug DeMuro? Oh, those pop ups.
1:04:49 Speaker 03 Like 150,000 kilometers or something. And he, and he drives it a lot, that great view of him sliding around the south of France. Like, but I, I think this is such a compelling. Such a compelling car. I'm really curious where it ends up because 512 TRs are really valuable cars.
1:05:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:05:04 Speaker 03 In the 300s regularly.
1:05:07 Doug DeMuro? But almost all of them have very.
1:05:09 Speaker 03 No miles and are US cars. So I'm very curious to see where this one ends up.
1:05:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:05:12 Speaker 03 Really appealing to someone who likes to drive cars like me.
1:05:15 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I agree. I am very curious to see also. It's at 105. It just, it just goes listed.
1:05:20 Speaker 03 Yep. I, I love, I love high mileage Ferraris. My 355 had a lot of miles on it too. So, um, very curious to see where it ends up. God, it looks good.
1:05:27 Speaker 04 Those side straights.
1:05:27 Doug DeMuro? It does look good. Oh. Uh, on to the questions, questions, questions, questions. The questions are, this week are sponsored by Pilote. Now they're not actually, but you know what? God love them for sponsoring.
1:05:40 Speaker 03 God.
1:05:41 Doug DeMuro? So in addition to sponsoring the Talk Car segment, we're going to give them a little bonus. They're sponsoring the question segment too.
1:05:47 Speaker 04 Size 11.
1:05:48 Speaker 03 Grazie mille. Size 11.
1:05:52 Speaker 04 Gotta eat, you know?
1:05:54 Doug DeMuro? What would you do with yours?
1:05:56 Speaker 04 Advairum.
1:05:56 Doug DeMuro? What would you do with the existing ones that were chewed by the dog?
1:05:59 Speaker 04 Um, well, I'd just get a different color.
1:06:02 Doug DeMuro? Okay. Um, so you already even have the, this would just be supplemental, really.
1:06:07 Speaker 04 Yeah. Some people have more than one pair of shoes.
1:06:10 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah, true. Okay. Uh, this is, there's great questions this week and we don't have as much time for it as I wish we did. First question from Ford Prefect. Question for Kennan. Kennan, as much as you like the N A Miata, why not just go ahead and get one? The purchase price is low. It isn't going to lose value. It'll keep miles off the M5. You'll have a great time driving it. It's cheap to own and Emily is sure to love it.
1:06:28 Speaker 03 All very good points. Uh, I think the, the reason I, the reason is that it is, I like cars with very big engines. It's the kind of type of car that I like. My M5 has a large engine. Other cars I'm looking at have very large engines. The Dodge Viper has a large, I just, I like lots of torque and power. And admittedly, that's the complete opposite and of the specter of what an N A is. I, the other thing is that like, I can kind of own an N A whenever. They're, they'll always be around. Uh, and I, I want something that's a little bit more esoteric and, and admittedly to me like something that I, I just like lost after a little bit more. I love the Miata. I suspect I will own one and maybe an S 2002 at some point. For now, I'm kind of focused on, I just want something crazy.
1:07:06 Doug DeMuro? That's all reasonable. That is a reasonable response. Nick, why don't you have an N A Miata?
1:07:11 Speaker 04 I don't approve.
1:07:13 Doug DeMuro? There's room for an NA.
1:07:14 Speaker 04 I've got like six cars right now.
1:07:17 Doug DeMuro? That's how you know you have a problem. If you don't even have room for an NA.
1:07:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:07:20 Doug DeMuro? You, there's issues.
1:07:22 Speaker 03 Right, that, yeah.
1:07:22 Speaker 04 I would like to at least experience something out of more and I think if I ever started tracking more, that would be my easy first choice.
1:07:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:07:29 Speaker 04 Just like a good track toy, but.
1:07:32 Doug DeMuro? Well, I mean, yeah, those.
1:07:34 Speaker 04 The, the, the person asking the question is correct that you do want to buy that now, like when you do have kids and dogs and stuff like that suddenly becomes a lot more limiting versus if you're just a single dude and you're driving in A2 because it's misting out, a Miata might be a decent choice.
1:07:49 Doug DeMuro? Of course, this, he says this, since he's had kids. He had a Murcielago and an SLR.
1:07:54 Speaker 03 Right, he had way less cars before he had kids.
1:07:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about. I will say, he's talking about getting a track car. Remember, this dude money shifted and dropped a motor and he's over here, I want a track car. Be careful.
1:08:04 Speaker 04 You money shift a Miata, it's like a $300 repair. They got those engines at Pep Boys, you know?
1:08:11 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question from Charlie XC90, question for everyone, you are all relatively similar ages and I notice you tend to think the peak era from the car was the 90s and into the 2000s, due to them being the perfect balance of modern and analog. Do you think you would retain this opinion if you had been born earlier or later? Yes, that is objective truth.
1:08:26 Speaker 03 I understand where they're coming from, uh, but I, I, having thought, I'm lucky enough to have experienced cars from the 60s and 70s and, and earlier. Uh, and there, it is a, it is a really finite period of time where they became really, it was the perfect cross-section of everything.
1:08:42 Doug DeMuro? And fast, reliable, and yet not hybridized automatics.
1:08:47 Speaker 03 Not too big.
1:08:48 Speaker 04 Oh, you're arguing that you would still be interested in the 2000s era.
1:08:50 Speaker 03 Absolutely. I think objectively looking at the entire history of the automobile. I think it was a really golden time that people don't appreciate enough.
1:08:57 Doug DeMuro? I think the 60s were also.
1:08:58 Speaker 03 The 60s were also because of regulation for design and they were.
1:09:01 Doug DeMuro? Design is unbelievable.
1:09:02 Speaker 03 But you, you can't argue that cars from the 1960s weren't exactly what you'd call reliable compared to modern cars later.
1:09:07 Doug DeMuro? And that's the benefit that the mid 2000s cars have and, and the reason that we don't like newer, which I think is really the implication of the question, what if you were younger, would you be like into the 2010s? Probably you don't know any better. That's what, that's what youth is. Um, however, um.
1:09:24 Doug DeMuro? The best cars came out of the mid 2000s.
1:09:25 Speaker 04 I agree with you all on the premise that those were the best cars, to me too.
1:09:30 Doug DeMuro? I think it's objective.
1:09:31 Speaker 04 No, again, Papa, rest in peace. He was into 30s town cars and such because that was like of the era. My dad and his generation is super into muscle cars in the 60s. I do think that there is like an outlier decade that it's usually when you were in high school, it was those cars, plus or minus. So like those, and I do think like, okay, that will happen again. But like, I think it is a function of when and where you were born.
1:09:56 Speaker 03 I see, that's what we're arguing is that it actually, it isn't in this case.
1:09:59 Speaker 04 I know, I'm counter arguing.
1:10:01 Doug DeMuro? I understand, and I get that argument, and I think it's totally reasonable.
1:10:06 Speaker 03 I think it's wrong.
1:10:08 Doug DeMuro? I think it's wrong. I just think that the mid 2000s had this, had this thing that nothing else in the history of the car had previously ever had. In the 60s, they would have thought they had it too. Because it was as reliable and as fast as cars become. But we now have the benefit of hindsight. We know what happened after that, which is, it's, in the 60s, you look at the 60s and you'd say, these were the best cars. The 70s cars were terrible, even most of the 80s were pretty bad. And so you'd say the 60s were this amazing time, but we've now, we're now 20 years removed from this mid 2000s period. And I wouldn't say that the things that make us love the mid 2000s cars have gotten better in terms of cars. The analog has been lost, the screens have taken over, the electronics have taken over, automatics have taken over, hybrids have taken over.
1:10:53 Doug DeMuro? And to me, that kind of goes back to suggest that this mid 2000s was sort of the 60s on steroids. It was like all those 60s cars that were amazing, but now modern and great.
1:11:05 Speaker 03 You know, really, I was driving an E28 M5 recently, and a video will be coming out about that shortly, I'll talk about it more later on. But I was, there was a period of time where like, you got to the 60s and then the 70s cars got bad. It was like, if you look at it as like a curve, right? And then you went up, and then from there, every successive car got better and better and better. The next one was going to be better than the one that became before it. But that really did hit a plateau, and that's kind of where I think we are now.
1:11:28 Doug DeMuro? In our opinion. Now, who's gonna argue? That, well, if you're a teenager now, you think the Revuelto is the coolest thing ever made.
1:11:35 Speaker 03 It is cool. Every generation has their pinup Lamborghini. That is true. But I think for someone to actually go and drive and use these cars, I think you'd be more blown away by the experience of some of the older.
1:11:46 Doug DeMuro? I do think from a driver's perspective, it's hard to ignore that the cars more recently have become more sanitized, more plug-in hybrid, more automatic.
1:11:55 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:11:55 Doug DeMuro? And the mid 2000s cars gave you a similar, like, fast, but still had all those benefits. And I think that's where they really hit.
1:12:06 Speaker 04 Two things here. One, we need to start our own event that's like Radwood, but only for 2000 to 2009, give or take.
1:12:13 Speaker 03 That would be awesome.
1:12:13 Speaker 04 They cut off their era at 99, which is like, right when things started to get good.
1:12:18 Doug DeMuro? But I think that's part of the point of Radwood. Like, the point of Radwood is that-
1:12:21 Speaker 04 If you've got an SF90, we are sending you away.
1:12:24 Speaker 03 We're dot-com wood.
1:12:26 Speaker 04 If you were around from the dot-com bubble to Lehman Brothers going away, you are welcome to.
1:12:30 Doug DeMuro? I think the point of Radwood in part, though, is to celebrate kind of the two unloved decades.
1:12:35 Speaker 04 I agree, but I'm just saying, if there was a show that was only like 2000 to 2009-
1:12:39 Speaker 03 04 Rich.
1:12:40 Speaker 04 I would travel great distances.
1:12:42 Doug DeMuro? It wouldn't be cool enough yet, though. There's too many of those cars still, like, around us, traffic. We need another 10 years.
1:12:46 Speaker 03 They also bend it a little bit. Like, the 39 came out in the late 90s, and so they include those usually.
1:12:53 Speaker 04 Lehman Brothers going away ruined the party, all the collateralized debt obligations and so on. Had that not happened, right, because that was when the Mercy SV came out, this SLR722 and other icons of that era.
1:13:03 Doug DeMuro? Yep, the SLR722.
1:13:05 Speaker 03 Think of it every day.
1:13:06 Speaker 04 Exactly. So, had that not happened in an alternate universe, and we would have just kept iterating from there?
1:13:11 Doug DeMuro? Maybe.
1:13:12 Speaker 03 The CEO killed-
1:13:13 Doug DeMuro? Maybe. There was always going to be an environmental component. And honestly, I think automatic transmissions were always going to start showing up because the cars had gotten so fast.
1:13:23 Speaker 04 Yeah. You know what you kind of regret in hindsight, too, is that the single-clutch, like, E-Gear-style cars didn't extend longer, because those are swappable. And had we just stuck E-Gear for a while-
1:13:34 Doug DeMuro? We had to complain so much.
1:13:34 Speaker 04 We could have manual Aventador's.
1:13:36 Doug DeMuro? Well, I want-
1:13:37 Speaker 04 We could have manual-
1:13:37 Speaker 03 Well, the Aventador is a single-clutch.
1:13:39 Doug DeMuro? Let's end on this. Let's end on this. The Aventador is theoretically swappable.
1:13:44 Speaker 04 It is. I don't know why that doesn't exist yet.
1:13:47 Doug DeMuro? Because.
1:13:47 Speaker 04 There's way more of those than there are of Mercy Diablo and Kuntaj combined.
1:13:51 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you why, though. It's because there's no center console.
1:13:54 Speaker 04 Oh.
1:13:55 Doug DeMuro? But.
1:13:56 Speaker 04 We could fabricate one of them.
1:13:57 Doug DeMuro? We could fabricate one of them.
1:13:58 Speaker 04 We can make it. You can put it like the CGT and just replace the Audi MMI screen.
1:14:03 Speaker 03 I'm telling you, I realized that.
1:14:05 Speaker 04 I don't need that anymore.
1:14:06 Speaker 03 I realized that the Aventador production was greater than all of the V12s combined that came before it. But I do think there is something very special about that car. If you could convert that, that would be one of the coolest cars on the road.
1:14:18 Speaker 04 That's the corollary to my Range Rover full-size. Everyone also wants an Aventador deep down. They don't admit it, but they want one.
1:14:24 Doug DeMuro? I.
1:14:25 Speaker 04 Look at that. Look at that picture.
1:14:27 Doug DeMuro? It looks cool, but I'd rather have a Kuntaj. But.
1:14:29 Speaker 03 Of course.
1:14:30 Doug DeMuro? But, Oclaw, legit, this car is swappable.
1:14:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:14:35 Doug DeMuro? And someone someday is gonna do it.
1:14:37 Speaker 03 I'm not gonna get on it.
1:14:38 Speaker 04 I'm a buyer.
1:14:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Cause that, mid 2000s, I mean, this was actually the last.
1:14:44 Speaker 04 I wonder what the holdup is. If it's also like in a TCU.
1:14:46 Doug DeMuro? I think it's entirely the center console.
1:14:48 Speaker 03 Software and the center console.
1:14:49 Doug DeMuro? I don't think the software has that much to do with it. Your car is like.
1:14:52 Speaker 04 Speaking of all of your experience swapping cars.
1:14:55 Doug DeMuro? Because, because what I learned from your auction is it's just a manual transmission that they automate.
1:15:00 Speaker 04 Right, right. That's the same thing. It's a little different.
1:15:02 Speaker 03 Well, yes, but there was a manual that pre-existed in his car and like the software for the computer can recognize that.
1:15:08 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, but you get in there with a couple of BP BP.
1:15:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, just like how you thought you would program the site yourself back in the early days.
1:15:14 Doug DeMuro? You saw Kamisa this weekend on Instagram with his Radio Shack volt meter. He gets in there with his Radio Shack volt meter. He reprograms an Aventador.
1:15:23 Speaker 03 Couple of beep bop boops and then he's there.
1:15:26 Doug DeMuro? I legitimately think that, that an even harder component of this is the center console situation, more than the transmission. I bet they'd figure it out.
1:15:33 Speaker 03 Man, metals, no.
1:15:34 Speaker 04 Someone will figure it out. And that'll be amazing. Yeah.
1:15:37 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we have to end here, because Kennan has to take off his racing suit.
1:15:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm stunned that I, it's cold down here.
1:15:44 Speaker 04 You look good in it, though, I must say.
1:15:45 Speaker 03 Thanks, the colors are great.
1:15:46 Doug DeMuro? Absolute pleasure. Thank you so much. Nick, thank you for coming. Thank you for gracing us with an SLR.
1:15:52 Speaker 04 I feel good about that. I am very sad. I can't believe that the Mercy Alago getting picked up was five minutes before we started filming. Like, it started me a little sad.
1:16:00 Doug DeMuro? What an end, you know?
1:16:01 Speaker 04 But it was, it's an end of a really great hour with the Mercy. I'm gonna miss that.
1:16:05 Doug DeMuro? Meanwhile, Ken's taking off the jacket. He just, he just did...
1:16:08 Speaker 03 It's flame retardant. It's hot.
1:16:10 Doug DeMuro? He just did the Kazakhstan GP and he needs to, is that one of them?
1:16:13 Speaker 03 No, but the Phoenix Grand Prix. And it did drive at the Phoenix Grand Prix.
1:16:17 Speaker 04 Arizona?
1:16:18 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:16:18 Speaker 03 Yeah?
1:16:18 Speaker 04 Wow.
1:16:19 Doug DeMuro? That's a real thing.
1:16:19 Speaker 03 That's a real...
1:16:20 Doug DeMuro? That's where the Carr GT's V10 went, wasn't it?
1:16:23 Speaker 03 Yep, the footwork V10, that's right.
1:16:24 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we're done here. Goodbye, everyone. Bye.
1:16:26 Speaker 03 Bye.
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