139. Mike Rashid: Why This Fitness Icon Trains at 5 AM & Fasts All Day To Achieve Peak Performance

What if the most powerful optimization tool wasn’t a supplement or a workout plan, but the psychological resilience forged in life’s crucible of adversity? In this episode, I had a fascinating conversation with fitness icon and entrepreneur Mike Rashid, whose transformation from the volatile streets of Brooklyn’s cocaine-era 80s to building a wellness empire reveals profound truths about human potential and biological optimization. The science behind Mike’s transformation is impeccable - early morning training combined with intermittent fasting creates a powerful neurobiological environment that optimizes hormone profiles and enhances neuroplasticity. What early life challenges could you transform into your greatest competitive advantage? Share your story in the comments below! Gain exclusive access to Gary Brecka’s proven wellness protocols: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Mike Rashid: Website: https://bit.ly/4aS4TnN YouTube: https://bit.ly/4jNu1QU Instagram: https://bit.ly/4jIcwkP TikTok: https://bit.ly/40PtTYe Facebook: https://bit.ly/411WPh1 X.com: https://bit.ly/411HHjD Thank you to our partners: H2TABS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - USE CODE "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E STRENGTH TRAINING EQUIPMENT - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN: https://bit.ly/3zYwtSl COLD LIFE - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST $50+ ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE PARKER PASTURES - PREMIUM GRASS-FED MEATS: https://bit.ly/4hHcbhc AION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo CARAWAY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timstamps: 00:00 Intro of Show 11:05 Getting into Fitness (Boxing and Other Sports) 13:02 Fitness and Strength as Their Foundation 17:24 Mike’s Entrepreneurial Journey 20:05 Morning Routine and Diet 25:31 Passion, Providing Value, and Authenticity 32:49 The Rewards in Serving the Community 36:40 Mentality of Thought-Leaders 38:12 Mike Rashid’s Ultimate Goal 40:56 On Faith and Spirituality 51:49 Number 1 Killer in the US is Food 54:46 Experience with Psychedelics and Intensive Therapy 58:46 Views on MAHA and Public Policies 1:03:16 Social Media is the New Media 1:10:58 Sigmund Freud’s Slave Morality vs. Master Morality 1:15:12 Final Question: What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Being in shape is loving yourself. Today is the youngest you will ever be. So start getting crazy about your nutrition, your training, your meditation, your community, all of that, do that now.

• 0:11Gary Brecka?

  There's such a physical connection to the mind. I think if you are weak physically, you have a tendency to be weak mentally.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  I don't see a separation. When your mind is healthy, you're going to define what success is, and you're going to have success.

• 0:25Gary Brecka?

  I think that we have a pandemic, not of mental illness in this country. I think we have a pandemic of a lack of mental fitness.

• 0:31Speaker 00

  Adults need to think like children with a lot of things. Limitless. We can do anything. And then we'll add a little discipline to it when we're starting to formulate these ideas, but we gotta think creatively like children.

• 0:43Gary Brecka?

  You care for yourself. You're dedicated. You probably have discipline, not just motivation. So just talk about fitness, the foundation for you, and how has that shaped you as an entrepreneur?

• 0:53Speaker 00

  I have a mentorship community and the foundation is training. It's about more than that, but that's the first. Listen.

• 1:11Gary Brecka?

  Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today, we've got a twist on your usual guests. As you've probably heard from the, from his background, he's a fitness icon, an entrepreneur, but like many of my guests, passion and purpose-driven individuals. So welcome to the podcast, Mike Rashid.

• 1:39Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thanks for having me.

• 1:40Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:41Speaker 00

  It's an honor, an honor and a pleasure.

• 1:43Gary Brecka?

  Thank you, man.

• 1:43Speaker 00

  Indeed.

• 1:44Gary Brecka?

  I appreciate that. You know, it's a very, very common theme that I talk about at the beginning of most of my podcasts, and that's that. I find that the most impactful people, the most passionate and the most purpose driven people in the world have solved some kind of problem in their life. And you know, I look back at your background, you didn't have, I mean, I would call it troubled background, if you're okay with that term. And I'd love for you to talk about, we're going to talk about some of your successes and some of your passions and some of your purpose, you know, your supplement company, what you're doing in the area of fitness and entrepreneurship.

• 2:27Gary Brecka?

  But I really want my audience to kind of get to know you.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 2:30Gary Brecka?

  Like, where did you come from? How'd you emerge from that? How'd you overcome obstacles? What sort of brought you into this chair today? And, and you know, what's your driver, man?

• 2:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, I'm from Brooklyn, New York, and I grew up in the eighties. So we like to call it the cocaine eighties.

• 2:47Gary Brecka?

  Well, I didn't grow up in Miami, but I'm from the cocaine cowboy area of Miami.

• 2:53Speaker 00

  There you go. So, you know, as you can imagine, it was a very truculent time, right? Very volatile times. And I'm talking about, it was infestation of crack in our community, especially my neighborhood, especially my house, because my stepfather was one of the biggest drug dealers in New York. So our house corrupted our entire area, literally. I lived there. Yeah, so I seen a lot. We had, I mean, we had multiple houses on that block. We own stores around the corner and we had a mansion in Long Island. So I was, it was like a movie, you know?

• 3:36Speaker 00

  And I seen a lot of things that a kid probably shouldn't see. However, I am thankful of some of the things that I experienced because none of it broke me. I'm still here and my mind is intact. Honestly, I think I have somewhat of a stronger mind for the fact that I did experience so many. Uh, not so ideal things and figured it out. So, you know, I was exposed to a lot, you know, and we were rich. And then he died and then we were poor. So financially poor, so.

• 4:12Gary Brecka?

  So it didn't, it didn't end poorly for your father because of like law enforcement or something. It ended.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  Well, this was my stepfather.

• 4:19Gary Brecka?

  Oh, your stepfather?

• 4:20Speaker 00

  It ended, I mean, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. He died by the sword. He definitely lived by the sword. So he died by the sword, you know, and um, every, the whole empire collapsed like that. Like that, because when you're living that kind of life, sometimes some people can transition out of it. But a lot of time people are just spending as fast as they're getting. There's no real infrastructure set up. There's no, you know, they're not parlaying that into legitimate businesses. So it fell fast and we had to deal with that. So that was interesting. But one thing about um, us as human beings is we are successful as a species because we're so resilient. You know, excuse me, I used to have a driver to school, right?

• 5:04Speaker 00

  I went from that to like nothing, to real poverty. And I was fine, like, I don't recall my childhood being of lack, even though we didn't have, even though we had nights where, you know, my mother had to light candles for lights. She had to hold me on the couch because she's scared and I'm scared and we don't have any power. The power will go out, it's cold, right? So, but none of that is not, it wasn't a sad childhood, you know? There's a lot of things that happened, but.

• 5:33Gary Brecka?

  And why wasn't it a sad childhood? You had love from your mother?

• 5:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:37Gary Brecka?

  Did you have siblings around?

• 5:38Speaker 00

  I had love, I, my sister, who's like my best friend.

• 5:41Gary Brecka?

  Right on.

• 5:42Speaker 00

  Um, my mother was such a powerful person, you know?

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Man, I miss her. She, she passed away or ascended last year, um, but she gave me so much, so much love. And my mother, she dealt with a lot, a lot of, uh, life, a lot of unideal situations that had nothing to do with her. Her circumstances were shitty out the gate from her parents, you know? So, you know, what I observed from that to what I went through and then the love that I did experience from her, what she was able to give me, but my grandparents and so on and so forth, it just made me who I am today. I'm an accumulation of all of those things. So, you know, I overly love my children, just like anybody does, but I'll do it.

• 6:27Gary Brecka?

  How many kids do you have?

• 6:28Speaker 00

  I have three. So, so yeah, so, and that's like, that's my life is them. Everything, every decision I make is based on them, right? It's positioning them to be happy and independent people, uh, in this, in this world.

• 6:42Gary Brecka?

  How, how old are your kids?

• 6:43Speaker 00

  Uh, nineteen, my, my son Elijah, Kaya's eighteen, she just turned eighteen, and Ivy, my baby girl, she's nine, she's about to be ten.

• 6:52Gary Brecka?

  You look too young to have a nineteen year old, man.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  They say black don't crack.

• 6:58Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, they don't, man. They don't. The dark skin, man, you guys just.

• 7:01Speaker 00

  But I'm tapping into my ultimate human. So, you know, thanks to people like you with the research, I'm able to like walk in, you know, the pathway of, you know, biohacking and trying to reverse aging to a degree. So, yeah.

• 7:13Gary Brecka?

  I, I, I've heard you talk about how, um, sports, fitness, particularly boxing, um, was something, cause I think everyone needs to have an outlet and something to gravitate to, you know, they say, they say idle time is the devil's workshop. And I would imagine in the kind of environment you were in, you know, a lot of your peers had a lot of time on their hands and maybe gravitated towards things that, that, that weren't longevity in terms of their, their career, maybe not even in terms of their, their, their life.

• 7:42Gary Brecka?

  So talk a little bit about that transition. You know, it's, it's, it's also really astounding to me, the number of successful entrepreneurs I know. Stephen A. Smith actually wrote an entire book on it, um, about how they grow up in difficult environments, but the love of a mother,

• 7:58Gary Brecka?

  was enough of a foundation and, uh, enough of a grounding force that you could actually make decisions that were different than what your environment was leading you to believe. Cause I've got to imagine if you're in that environment, the cool thing to do wasn't to go the opposite direction, right? So. Like, give a little insight into, you know, what led you out of that, that, that life, that, that, that environment, anyway. And I want to say the lifestyle because you weren't in.

• 8:25Speaker 00

  So it's really interesting. It's somewhat of a paradox because, I mean, my mother was married to this guy. However, my mother protected me from everything, right? So when he died, we had a period when we went to Florida for a while. And it was just as bad there where we was at a place called Sanford, Florida. And it was just, put it like this, there was, this is crazy. It was in the projects. Every day you see like white pickup trucks in the neighborhood, talking to women that work, that live there, right? And you know who these guys were? They were white guys. They were insurance salesmen. Because people was like, young men, boys was getting killed so much. It was just, it was a big hustle selling insurance to mothers. That's a fact.

• 9:09Gary Brecka?

  Selling insurance to mothers to ensure their own babies.

• 9:12Speaker 00

  Life insurance, yeah.

• 9:13Gary Brecka?

  Against, wow.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  It was so common, right? So, think about this. One situation, there was a guy in our hood named Killer, right? He killed one of our friends. He was older than us. Nobody came and got arrested him. A week later, he's trying to play basketball with us. And we're scared to death. You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of environment that that was. However, so my mother, she went down there, she cleaned her life up, got educated, got a degree, and started her own home healthcare business in nursing. And she would just take, she would take me with her. So when I'm not in school, I would be with her at her clients or patients' homes or whatever. And I would just be with her at all times versus being back at home and being outside and being in the riffraff. So,

• 9:59Speaker 00

  my mother, she, you know, I have a little brother as well, we're 10 years apart. She didn't have the same energy with him because she was older. But she had enough in her to protect me from a lot of that, you know, from most of it, honestly. So, and I have to say that I did have, despite those things, you know, because after that little period, I stayed with my grandparents, who were stable. This is in New York. Private school, like the whole not, I had a good upbringing. It was just some hiccups, but that's life, that happens. I had a good upbringing, it was very dynamic.

• 10:33Gary Brecka?

  Very dynamic.

• 10:33Speaker 00

  Very dynamic.

• 10:34Gary Brecka?

  So far it's been pretty dynamic.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 10:36Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Speaker 00

  And, you know, I got into some trouble, but that was as an adult, right? But as a child, it was, you know, we got through the rough stuff, but it was smooth. And I think like, there's nothing that I've ever faced that was that crazy, right? Maybe to somebody else, but to me, I'm like, let's go, I'mma eat it up.

• 10:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  And I think maybe because I went through or seen so many scary things as a, as a child. It's like, I'm with, I'm with all the smoke.

• 11:05Gary Brecka?

  Where does, uh, uh, where does fitness, where does boxing, where does, um, your love of that skill come on board and, and start to take you in that, in that direction?

• 11:17Speaker 00

  All right. So first of all, in New York, where I lived at, I had friends that was probably better athletes than you'll ever see on TV. It's just the lives were not ideal to go the routes to get put on. So we lived in a very competitive area. We played every sport outside in the snow. You know what I mean?

• 11:38Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 00

  So you grow up being really athletic, you have to be to get noticed. In a place like Brooklyn, especially when I, when I was growing up, you gotta think, New York City is small. It's tiny, but it's a lot of people. So it's overcrowded.

• 11:51Gary Brecka?

  And a lot of competition.

• 11:52Speaker 00

  Everything is competition.

• 11:54Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 00

  Literally. So I grew up extremely competitive. So, um, and I also grew up in an era of He-Man, G.I. Joe, Mr. T, like WWF.

• 12:03Gary Brecka?

  So did I.

• 12:04Speaker 00

  So.

• 12:05Gary Brecka?

  Incredible Hulk.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I wanted to be big and strong, like what I saw on TV. So, and I, I was fixated on being strong and being fat, like just fit. I never thought about looks because when I started getting into, I guess, training, I was, I was 12, 11 or 12.

• 12:22Gary Brecka?

  Oh, okay.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  So I didn't, I wasn't thinking about how I looked. I was just trying to be strong, right?

• 12:25Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 12:26Speaker 00

  So I just had that mentality and I got, my father got me into boxing at a very young age. And that, that was like all I needed. Cause I played, I played basketball, baseball and I box. And I love boxing the most because it was all on me. You know, like I played baseball, I was really good, but our team lost every game. I didn't like that. I don't want to lose because of this guy, right?

• 12:52Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  So boxing, if you lose, it's your fault.

• 12:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  But if you win, it's your glory. So that was like the ultimate competitive sport for me. And

• 13:03Gary Brecka?

  So how much time, I mean, were you like gym rat? Were you, were you in it?

• 13:07Speaker 00

  All my life, like, I've been a gym guy since I was 11 or 12 years old.

• 13:11Gary Brecka?

  And how's that shaped, you know, you as an entrepreneur? Because I think people really omit the physical fitness part. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a lot to be said for what a lot of people think is being selfish, which is like giving time to yourself so that you can be selfless and give your time to the rest of the, of the world. I, I mean, I always give myself, for example, the first 90 minutes of every day. I always say the first 90 minutes of every day belongs only to me, not to my kids, not to my wife, not to my business, or you know, my, my clients. But after that 90 minutes is over, I give everything else away. You know, I try to be present for my wife, for my kids, for my business, for my clients.

• 13:51Gary Brecka?

  But I think the only way that I'm able to be that present is because I take some time for, for, for self-care. And so, so just talk about it, you know, is fitness the foundation for you? That's, I mean, clearly you're, you're, you're pretty fit. So it's clearly a priority.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  Which I echo exactly what you said.

• 14:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  Same with my, this is my brother right here, Sean. Like everyone in my, my circle is the same. The morning, we gotta get it. And I, look, I have a community, I have a mentorship community and I, and I talk, the foundation is training. Like I kick people out if, in a certain amount of time, they're not getting in better shape. It's about more than that, but that's the first, listen, if, if I go to church, right? And I'm auditing different churches and I see the pastors, right? And you're supposed to be living by these seven deadly sins, right? Adhering to the gospel. I don't know what you're doing behind closed doors. I just gotta go watch you telling me, but I can see that you're overweight. I can see that you're a glutton.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  I would think that that's the easiest thing to hide, to not be, because we see you. I can't trust you, right? So I feel like that's just a foundation, like being in shape is loving yourself, right? You cannot properly love other people if you don't love yourself.

• 15:12Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 15:13Speaker 00

  Just being selfish by being, you know, dedicating your mornings to yourself. I don't see that as a problem at all.

• 15:19Speaker 02

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• 16:01Gary Brecka?

  Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. I don't, I don't see that. I, I see it as an absolute necessity. I see it as a non-negotiable. And you know, I've heard other entrepreneurs talk about it. It's like when I see somebody who's physically fit, and this isn't to shame other people, but when I see somebody who's physically fit, I immediately know at least a few things about them. They're consistent, because you can't, can't fake that. You can pull up in a Ferrari and I may or may not know whether or not you're wealthy. But, um, because you can fake a Ferrari, but you can't fake being physically fit. So what it means is you've had a commitment over a long period of time. You care for yourself. You know, you're dedicated. You probably have discipline, not just motivation. Meaning, you know, you, this consistency over time requires discipline, not just to

• 16:46Gary Brecka?

  be excited for a period of time. And I tend to, tend to, to believe that. It's, I, I have a lot of friends that are not physically fit and I do business and counsel a lot of clients that are not physically fit either, but I would agree with you that. That that first part of the day, if that belongs to you and and there's there's such a physical connection to the mind. I think if you are weak physically, you have a tendency to be weak mentally. And I think that we have a pandemic, not of mental illness in this country. I think we have a pandemic of a lack of mental fitness. So I love that that's a foundation for your community. You know, so so boxing is your your passion, your purpose for your

• 17:30Gary Brecka?

  while. You know, I might go so far as to say, maybe that's what kept you steady and and maybe kept you from being tugged in the wrong direction in an environment that didn't have a lot of good choices. But now that you know, now you're you're a man, you're you've got a family. You started a company called the Ambrosia Collective, which is supplement company. How did you transition to now becoming an entrepreneur? I mean, because it doesn't sound to me like you had a lot of entrepreneurial mentors in your life. Or maybe you did.

• 18:02Speaker 00

  I was an entrepreneur before that. I was a I sold medicine that wasn't prescription, that was illegal at the time. Stuff that's actually legal now, right? But I was a I was a street pharmacist, as they would say.

• 18:19Gary Brecka?

  I like that.

• 18:20Speaker 00

  With a successful enterprise wholesaling stuff from Mexico to the East Coast, you know. But I did that for a few years and I was good at it. So I always had I've never fit into like working places. I never I would do it. I gotta respect you. And I've had jobs before where I just didn't respect the people. It's not enough money, right? So I just never fit. That never worked for me. I always I always did my own thing, right? One thing about being a black man in this country is we start out not feeling like we belong, right? So we start out feeling like, well, the system ain't for me. So I'm gonna do my own thing anyway. So I think that benefited me to a great, a high degree because I've always done my own thing. Now.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  I got out of that life because it wasn't legal.

• 19:08Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  And I did, and I, I put my energy in legal things. And uh, supplements came up, like I had a supplement company before that. But Sean and I, me and Sean and one more partner. We were, we met through just different industry events and um, we became friends. And one time we was uh, well, I watched Limitless, right?

• 19:30Gary Brecka?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:31Speaker 00

  I was like.

• 19:31Gary Brecka?

  Ah, I love that movie, man.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  You gotta make something like that.

• 19:33Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 00

  So we started out to, our first product actually is called Mental Jewels is a nootropic. We just wanted to make the most powerful, the best nootropic on the market. And we did, because we studied the best ones that were there at the time. And we outdid them, you know, we didn't sacrifice quality at all.

• 19:50Gary Brecka?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  It was actually uh, uh, we had a lot of debate going back and forth because, you know, the, the ingredients that we sourced were very expensive. The testing that we do is expensive, but we wanted to make it uh, affordable for people. So it's an ultra-premium product at a, just a premium rate.

• 20:06Gary Brecka?

  Is this, is this a part of your um, like what's it, what's it, what's a typical morning routine for you? Is this a part of your m- morning routine? Like walk me through waking up until like 10 a.m.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  Oh, alright, my morning routine is this, I get up around four forty-five, five o'clock. I do my morning prayer, which is called Fajr. Um, and then after that, I sit and I go through my life list. Cause I, this is, this is a very important thing for me is to write out exactly what I want at the time. Um, so I go through that list, it's in my head, I've written it out, but it's in my head.

• 20:37Gary Brecka?

  So this allows you to visualize it, right, to actually see it?

• 20:40Speaker 00

  I start visualizing it very specific. Then as I begin my day, I align every decision and action with everything on that list. So from there, I'm off to the gym, train, cardio, sauna, shower. Then I'm at my office, probably at the office around nine, nine thirty.

• 20:58Gary Brecka?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Um, and then I begin my day.

• 21:00Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  So that's.

• 21:02Gary Brecka?

  But now you're ready though, you're, you're, you're switched on. But so where does, where does, where does some of the Ambrosia Collective supplements come into play? Are you um, are you taking norotropics before you hit the office? What's your basic supplement routine?

• 21:13Speaker 00

  I got you. So I, I, I love this. I eat once a day uh, in the evening.

• 21:19Gary Brecka?

  Wow, you maintain this muscle mass even once a day? There was a rumor that you're a vegan too.

• 21:23Speaker 00

  I, I, I ate a vegan diet for like two years.

• 21:28Gary Brecka?

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:28Speaker 00

  It's a few years ago, but I like meat.

• 21:30Gary Brecka?

  I, I do too.

• 21:31Speaker 00

  I tried it, but you know, it was cool, but. Test and blood work, you know, I was healthier. I mean, before I was eating a lot. I was 250, right? Um, so that, and then I went to like, I was eating meat every other day, test and blood work, and it was the same. So it wasn't like veganism made me healthier. It was me restricting my calories to a degree. And, you know, just a healthy lifestyle made me healthy.

• 21:58Gary Brecka?

  I would absolutely agree with that.

• 21:59Speaker 00

  So, and I like meat, and you cannot get the amount of quality nutrients that you could get in salmon or bison without, right? And I found that during the vegan thing, it was too many weird foods that were super processed that I didn't really know what it was.

• 22:17Gary Brecka?

  So true.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  To, to get that dense amount of protein.

• 22:21Gary Brecka?

  I think, I think the whole notion that because it's not meat, it's healthy. That's, that, and I think that's, that's the problem. I, I don't have anything necessarily against veganism or vegetarianism. Um, but when you just make the assumption that because it's not red meat, it's healthy. I mean, if you ever read, read the ingredients on a nun burger or, or like a beyond burger, I mean, you gotta be a pharmacist. And you're, you're a farmer pharmacist, so.

• 22:46Speaker 00

  And I don't approve of that.

• 22:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  But no, I like meat. I love it. But anyway, so, so first thing I, first thing I drink when I, in the morning is a product called Nectar. It's a super foods product. It's 13 ingredients in it. So you, you know, when people have those little metal pill boxes with all the pills, we have all of that in one product that tastes really good.

• 23:07Gary Brecka?

  I got one of those pill boxes. So, yeah.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  Oh, see, I got you. I got a, I got a care package for you. So I do Nectar and then, uh, at, while I'm training, we have a product called Hydrogliff that is a hydration product, but it's more than just hydration, right? Um, we have amino acids in it and we have uh, H and B in it. We have, you know, we have ingredients in it that because we're big on fasting and, or at least intermittent fasting, and we don't want people to lose muscle mass. So it's preserving muscle mass.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  It's increasing

• 23:39Gary Brecka?

  With amino acids.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  Increasing muscle protein synthesis and hydrating you to a high degree and kind of like keeping the hunger off. So I do that, train, train, train. And then at the office, I'll have a shake. There's some, we have a top plant-based protein in the country.

• 23:56Gary Brecka?

  Right on.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I have a glass of plant. So I just drink it with water because it tastes that good. And as I'm starting my day, I'm sipping on mental juice, which is the nootropic.

• 24:07Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 24:07Speaker 00

  Right, so that's pretty much my.

• 24:10Gary Brecka?

  So this, this, this was your, this was your, your, your foundation. Was this the first real company that in the supplement industry? Because then you have trifecta nutrition, which is.

• 24:20Speaker 00

  I had, I had a company before, it was a way smaller company. Wasn't this level of quality as far as what we had. Because I didn't have a team like that. But it did me well financially, but it wasn't like a legacy thing. You know, we were limited in what, what we had access to at the time. So when I got, you know, you just get with people who have different expertise and we put our brains together. You know, because that was just me back then. So with Ambrosia, we took it to a whole nother level. So yeah, this is like the first big, real thing. This is my, a passion. This is a passion project that actually be, end up becoming very lucrative and became a big company.

• 25:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  We didn't expect that at all. We just didn't want to lose money, you know?

• 25:04Gary Brecka?

  When you see a big company, like how many employees you got? I mean.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  What do we have about?

• 25:08Gary Brecka?

  Twenty?

• 25:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:09Gary Brecka?

  Right on.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:10Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  So it's a, it's a thing. It's its own ecosystem. I mean, when you have.

• 25:15Gary Brecka?

  And how do you sell? Is it online through retail stores?

• 25:17Speaker 00

  I mean, we have a lot of different sales channels, online, Amazon, Vitamin Shoppe, Sprouts, GNC, Hyvee. A lot.

• 25:26Gary Brecka?

  Congratulations.

• 25:26Speaker 00

  We're everywhere.

• 25:27Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, Ambrosia Collective. So it's, it's.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  We are, it's just moving rapidly, right? And it's not like we have this over the top marketing

• 25:44Speaker 00

  strategies. People love the product.

• 25:47Gary Brecka?

  Well, I mean, you, you, the best thing for any product is

• 25:50Speaker 00

  It to be good.

• 25:51Gary Brecka?

  Yes, for it to be good and actually make an impact. And then you, and then you're going to have a massive referral base. And I'm a, I'm a big believer in that, too. And the majority of my clients come from other clients that, that I work with. I mean, I think that's the, that's the biggest hallmark of success is when you're not selling your product. People that, people that are on your product.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  And see, I'm glad that we're here, like we're sitting in council with each other because the spirit of our company is like biohacking, right?

• 26:17Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 00

  We were some of the first people in our space talking about biohacking. And we got a lot of flack for it, right?

• 26:24Gary Brecka?

  Oh, trust me, I was talking about 10 years ago.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  We don't care.

• 26:26Gary Brecka?

  Complete charlatan.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  Well, we don't care. So, and our people see that we're in this for like real optimization of health, right? Our products are very hard to sell because there's a lot of explaining. You know what I mean?

• 26:39Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  But we figured out how to deliver these messages to people, letting them know exactly how effective this is. And you know how to optimize yourself properly. And it's not just about supplements. It's a lifestyle. We're talking about training. We're talking about meditation. We're talking about fasting. So we care about the people that patronize our business. So we're not just shoving supplements in your face.

• 27:01Gary Brecka?

  Creating a community.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  100%.

• 27:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I, I truly believe in that. I mean, I, I actually think that the, and I'm not a marketing expert by any means, but from what I've seen in, in the last several years, being in this business is that I think that the days of the, you know, the influencer are numbered. I think people that are not building a true community and servicing a true community, they're not actually adding value. I think that people are so picky, their, their, their attention span is so short that if you are not adding value to their life, I don't. Care if you're a red carpet, A-list celebrity, you're not going to maintain their attention nor gain their trust so that you can just carte blanche, say, wear this skirt, drink this water, take this supplement, you know?

• 27:45Speaker 00

  Well, there's proof to what you're saying. Uh, there's people like Floyd Mayweather, there's people, there's many big name celebrities that have tried to come up with supplements and products and no one cared.

• 27:56Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Cause they could tell there's no passion in it.

• 27:59Gary Brecka?

  There's no authenticity.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 28:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, you know, it's, it's really interesting. I've done a number of stage talks on this and um, there are even some studies in the, the Spain scale of emotion, the scale of positive and negative emotion. And there are even some studies that look at frequency leaving the human body and the frequency of emotion. If you believe in the universal law of attraction, which I do, um, you know, and most, most of my audience does is that the most powerful emotion, the most attractive emotion, I don't mean attractive in, in like an intimate sense. I just mean the most attractive emotion in a human being is, is the, uh, is the frequency of authenticity. And I think when we talk about people's intuition, um, you know, like my wife is very sensitive,

• 28:44Gary Brecka?

  like she'll, she'll meet somebody and she'll be like, eh, you know, I don't know about that guy, you know, or, or she meets somebody and gets a really good feeling. And the vast majority of the time she's right. And when I look at the actual science behind that, there's science that says that the more authentic a person is, believes what they're saying, is truthful with their words, then the more attractive they are to other people. And, and I think that goes back to this whole idea of building a community because it's community, you have to earn people's trust by giving value. Um, now you've earned their trust and they're probably still skeptical for a while and you put them on a product or a service, it starts to work for them. But now you've, you've. You've formulated the magic sauce.

• 29:29Gary Brecka?

  You're being authentic to your community. You're providing value and now they're going to do the same for you. Hap B is an award winning digital wellness company and we invite you to join us in transforming the way people rest, renew and focus. The goal is to help people take control of how they sleep, how they feel and how they perform, all without taking drugs, supplements, or high caffeine energy drinks. The neuroscientists at Hap B have created a set of mood enhancing programs. They're called vibes. So each vibe uses ultra low frequency signals to mimic the effects of relaxants or stimulants in the body. When the brain detects these signals, it reacts as if you're actually taking the substance, giving you all the benefits without the downsides.

• 30:11Gary Brecka?

  So it puts you in control of how you want to feel, when you want to feel it naturally, with no chemicals, pills, or side effects. Just select a vibe on the Hap B app and let the soothing electromagnetic waves wash over your body. At Hap B, we believe a more rested world is a better world. It's time to change the vibe. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I love also that you've layered on nutrition, you know, because I think this is the, I don't think that you can exercise your way around a bad diet. I don't think you can supplement your way around lack of sleep. I think the foundation for our success, which it sounds like you've mastered is, you know, first of all, self-care, you know, the sleep, nutrition, exercise.

• 30:56Gary Brecka?

  But now you've, you've layered in trifecta, right? And this is a meal prep company? This is, you prepare healthy meals?

• 31:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, so this was a good friend of mine is the founder. His name is Greg Connolly. This is a, we've been friends forever and Greg has been, you know, he's a bona fide entrepreneur, super good guy. And he's been, you know, just trying, trying, trying with so many different things for so long and then with trifecta, he hit a grand slam. So it was the first like. I guess you, I don't want to say gourmet, but maybe gourmet style of meal prep delivery, like really premium options, grass fed farm, you know, not farm raised, organic, you know, and delivered in 24 hours, fresh, not frozen. And it just went crazy. I was the very first check on the, on the company. Yeah.

• 31:45Gary Brecka?

  That's great.

• 31:46Speaker 00

  And it's a 300 million dollar company now. So that's

• 31:49Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  Things worked out.

• 31:50Gary Brecka?

  That's awesome. And you know, I get behind a lot of like grass fed, grass finished farms. I, I actually try to buy local. We have a little Amish farm, a little place called Southwest Ranches in, right in Miami. And I go there and get raw milks, grass fed, grass finished meats, pasture raised eggs, free range chickens. And I can tell, like when we try, first of all, I love coming to LA because there's an Arowan. So the team goes to Arowan, we stock up beforehand.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  It's about 10 grand in there, right?

• 32:17Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, 10 grand, you get four meals. They're really good meals.

• 32:20Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 32:21Gary Brecka?

  It'll feed a family of four for about six hours. But, but, uh, but I, but I prioritize those ingredients over everything. It's like, you know, I spend my money on biohacking devices and, and I certainly did not grow up wealthy, but now that I've had some financial success, I'm like, why would I, why would I start a car collection when I can actually start a biohacking collection? You know, that Ferrari is not going to serve your cellular biology.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  I get it. No, I get it. But speaking about community, because you brought that up and it's interesting because we, we started an official community called the Sacred Society last year and I fell in love with it. I fell in love with the, the interaction with the people, right? Um, there's no barrier between them and I. So in every week, you know, I'm, I'm, I prepare a lecture and I'm with them every week. I don't miss.

• 33:17Gary Brecka?

  And you're intentional about preparing.

• 33:19Speaker 00

  It's my favorite part of the week. Every Thursday is a really busy day for me, every Thursday. Cause that's when I'm all in with the community, but I'm preparing for it throughout the week with all the other things going on. And it's the most, uh, I mean, just going back and forth with them and then, you know, having accountability calls with them individually is just so rewarding, right?

• 33:41Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 00

  And this, and I think this falls into that Maslow's hierarchy, it needs that self-actualization. It's like, this is what I'm here for. It's not the car. Look, I've been through all of that.

• 33:51Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 00

  Buying the cars, you know, all of the things. I, I don't, that doesn't, is meaningless to me, right? This is what I love.

• 33:59Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  All right, this person.

• 34:01Gary Brecka?

  I, I, I feel you so much because I, I have a VIP community called, uh, just VIP Ultimate Humans. I get energy from this community.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:10Gary Brecka?

  You know, when I get on Zoom calls, I'm like lit up, you know? I call it my drug of choice. And, and when I get feedback from the community, it fires me up. And so that whole like give without the expectation of receive. When it, when, when you see the lives impacted, somebody thanks you for changing their life and they really mean it.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:28Gary Brecka?

  I don't know that there's a greater compliment.

• 34:30Speaker 00

  I love sitting in the trenches with them, trying to figure out the problems. Just come up with a solution. You got this. And sometimes it's just a little bit of encouragement, right? Nah, you got, I'm certain you got this, right? Cause you know, people have been programmed a bad program most of their lives.

• 34:48Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  And they don't, they typically never had somebody sitting with them like, hey, you fucking up right now.

• 34:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Let's fix this. I'm not, I'm here with you. We're gonna fix this.

• 34:57Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  They don't really have that from someone that really gives a shit about them.

• 35:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? So in the programming in this country is just bad. You know, I always tell people divorce yourself from this culture because it's not conducive to a good life, right?

• 35:10Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 35:10Speaker 00

  It's conducive to stifling your creativity, your real power, you know? But we got so much, people got so much power, so incredible. We were just talking earlier about technology, like TVs and cell phones. This came from a human mind. So I'll look at my community and like, look, people like y'all did this.

• 35:30Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  What you gonna do? You know what I mean? So, but people don't grow up thinking these things. Just like I look at my daughter and I, I try to learn from her, right? Because she has a robust fertile imagination, right? Whereas as an, an adult, we have this stringent, that's not rational.

• 35:50Gary Brecka?

  We do, yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  But we gotta like devoid ourselves of that to a degree and have that. Adults need to think like children with a lot of things, limitless, right? We can do anything. I can do anything, right? And then we'll add a little discipline to it when we're starting to formulate these ideas. But we gotta think creatively like children. And it's interesting because not to get off subject, but like you look at like things like religion, when they teach you like original sin, you're born sinners. I'm like, no. These, the closest thing to divinity is a child, is a baby. They're pure, they're perfect, they're holy. So stop telling people that. Stop programming people that they're born bad. People learn bad. People are born pure and holy, right?

• 36:33Speaker 00

  And it's our duty to protect them and keep them like that as long as possible. And to try to be like them as well. That's how you really tap into that God energy.

• 36:42Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's really interesting. I, I, I went to dinner last night with a very successful entrepreneur and doctor named Dr. Peter Diamantis. And he was talking about this abundancy 60 that he's created with all these thought leaders. And it's about how to shatter these thoughts of incrementality. Like, so say you're on an, the example he used was, say you're on a, you know, an automotive manufacturer and your car gets 50 miles to the gallon. And you go to your engineering team and you go, listen, you guys gotta go back to the drawing board and figure out how to get this car 55 miles to the gallon. He's like, that's one thing. That's a mindset that most people can interpret and understand. But if you go to your engineering team and you say, I need this to get 500 miles to the gallon.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 37:28Gary Brecka?

  Then what forces them to do is scrap all of their, because there's so much efficiency you can get from the tires and maybe upgrading the fuel and, you know. But now you've got to go completely back to the drawing board and, and, and reset your entire way of thinking. And I, and I think this is where you get the Jeff Bezos and the Elon Musks and the, and the real, the real thought leaders that innovated something, you know, incredible. There's lots of other thought leaders, but I think a lot of these ideas come out of communities like what, what you're building. It's like you actually challenge people to solve their own problem.

• 38:07Gary Brecka?

  And they become motivated and passionate beyond anything they, they, they ever thought. So, so where does this go for you? I mean, you, you, fitness, lifestyle, nutrition, supplementation. You know, you're building a community. You know, what's, what's down the road for you? I mean, what's, what's Mike Rashid's ultimate goal?

• 38:31Speaker 00

  Well, right now I'm in the process of building a compound in Dubai, right? Moving the family there, but also growing the Ambrosia Collective to a higher degree as well as Sacred Society. Me being in different markets is going to open me up to just more people, more opportunities.

• 38:49Gary Brecka?

  A lot of opportunity in the Middle East right now.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  So that's part of it, but also I've moved into the peptide space as well.

• 38:54Gary Brecka?

  Oh, huge fan of peptides.

• 38:56Speaker 00

  So just expanding in things, all things wellness, all things biohacking, all things optimizing one's complete being. You mentioned something earlier that I wanted to touch on about the physical and the mental. I don't see a separation. It's all, it's all here, right? So in one thing leads the other, they benefit each other, right? So start, and my, the foundation is going to be physical fitness, training and nutrition off the top.

• 39:28Gary Brecka?

  It has to be.

• 39:29Speaker 00

  Off the top. And I was talking to the community last night because we were talking about success. And I'm like, listen, when your mind is healthy, you're going to be successful because you will define what success is. Y'all, right now, y'all looking at Instagram for success, people with cars and this. When your mind is healthy, you're going to define what success is, and you're going to have success. You'll be successful. So that's what I'm on, right? I'm, I'm, I'm on, I used to be the guy that wanted to like have every single car, do this, do that, whatever. I have zero regards for any of that now, right?

• 40:08Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm trying to fortify myself spiritually, fortify my, my relationships with the people that I love. Because really that's all that I care about, the people I love. And from there it goes to the community and everything else. So, you know, I'm walking this life, you know, really.

• 40:28Speaker 00

  With my eyes closed, filling the walls because I'm moving into new spaces right now. And I'm excited about it.

• 40:33Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, and most people have a fear of of the unknown. I think that comes from our childhood. And we have a fear of the unknown and it paralyzes us and it keeps us. I I think very often in mediocrity for for decades because people are afraid to fail in front of their peers or in front of their families or in front of their coworkers or in front of their colleagues. And I think fear is so, it can be a motivator, but it can also be paralyzing to you. So you you start to touch on spirituality. Where where does faith fall into this for you?

• 41:02Speaker 00

  What is faith? What does that mean?

• 41:05Gary Brecka?

  To me, it's a belief in something, you know, higher than yourself. It's also a belief in a common purpose. It's a belief in delayed gratification that maybe this life is temporary and we're headed to a better place. You know, it's, you know. I believe that faith is very often a missing component in people's lives. And they try to replace it with all kinds of things. They seek dopamine rewarding behavior, which sometimes can be healthy. Workaholic, workaholic, sometimes could be negative. Drugs and alcohol, promiscuity gambling. Not all, not all addictions are necessarily negative.

• 41:47Gary Brecka?

  But I think that that behavior is driven by that spiritual hole that's left in people. It's my sincere belief.

• 41:55Gary Brecka?

  But where does that fall for you?

• 41:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, I'm.

• 41:57Gary Brecka?

  First of all, what does it mean to you? Where does it fall?

• 41:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm I am a Muslim. And when I said earlier, I'm I've been working on fortifying myself spiritually. That's just me rededicating myself to my faith, my religion. Because the principles of my religion, it just aligns with me perfectly, right? You know, praying five times a day, fasting in the holy month of Ramadan. You know, just me. Actively trying to be a nicer person to people and be more charitable in regards to everyone that I deal with. So, so that's, that's, that is my faith, right? Um, I'm not a person of belief because uh, I'd rather know things, right?

• 42:40Speaker 00

  Whereas a belief is one attaching themselves to a notion or idea without really having evidence, right? Or I'm alright with saying I don't understand or I don't get it. I don't know.

• 42:52Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  But I'd rather know what I attach myself to, you know? And um, you know, I put a lot on me. Like, I put the responsibility of me having a life that I want to have on myself.

• 43:06Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  You know?

• 43:08Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  So, we were talking about prayer earlier on the drive up here and, and I appreciate him so much. This is my, this is my guy because we always have fruitful conversations, you know, when we have a minute, you know, a drive or sauna or something like that. And I always get so much from it. But we were talking and we get to like really hash out thoughts and ideas. You know what I mean?

• 43:32Gary Brecka?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Just flesh them out. You might have a, a notion or something, but sometimes you need to bounce it off somebody like that. And that's what Sean is for me.

• 43:39Gary Brecka?

  And you need, and you need to bounce it off of, you know, they say you need three friends in your life.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:44Gary Brecka?

  The ride or die.

• 43:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:45Gary Brecka?

  That's the one you call at two in the morning when something's wrong. You need the confidant that you can confide anything to and it stays, it stays there. Um, but then you, you also need, you know, the truth teller, like the one that kind of calls you out on your nonsense.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Not kind of.

• 44:03Gary Brecka?

  Tells you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear.

• 44:05Speaker 00

  I need somebody to be direct.

• 44:06Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah. Sounds like it. Sounds like you're having a lot of direct sauna conversations. But I think that, that's where, that's where things really take shape.

• 44:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:14Gary Brecka?

  For people.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:14Gary Brecka?

  Because uh, uh, you know, my, one of my former mentors and one of the wealthiest people I've, I've ever known told me, you know, you show me the five people you hang around and I'll tell you exactly where you're going to be in, in five years. And um, and I said, you can predict half a decade in advance just from the people, the five people that are in my inner circle. And he said, absolutely, beyond a shadow of doubt with 99% accuracy. And, and, and I said, well, what matters in those five people? And he went through those characteristics. And then he also, he said, if you don't have. That rock in your life, whether it's your relative, whether it's your business partner, whether it's your best friend, who doesn't get you, let you get away with not being true to yourself

• 44:58Gary Brecka?

  in foolishness, then, then that's, that's where the, that's where the hole in the ship's gonna come. That's where the one's gonna enter. So that's.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  I, I, I got a question for you, or this is fascinating to me. Your ascension into this career, right? It was insurance, correct?

• 45:16Gary Brecka?

  That was a mortality.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  And you were identifying, all right, these people are not gonna live so long. And you said, you know what? We need to like, let people know. So you broke away from the insurance company to start doing what you're doing now.

• 45:30Gary Brecka?

  That's right.

• 45:31Speaker 00

  I think that's incredible.

• 45:32Gary Brecka?

  Thank you.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Cause that doesn't sound like a money play.

• 45:35Gary Brecka?

  It was absolutely not a money play. And, and I took, it was devastating to me and my wife financially.

• 45:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:41Gary Brecka?

  I mean financially, it was the worst decision we ever made in, in the first few years. It put an enormous amount of strain on our family. You know, my kids came, came out of private school, public school, which I'm not, I'm not trying to say woe is me. My kids weren't in private school, but.

• 45:58Speaker 00

  But that is a woe is me, because public school system is just not, it's not it.

• 46:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  It's broken.

• 46:03Gary Brecka?

  And, you know, we sold our primary residence to make payroll because my wife, who's, you know, very frugal and very organized and was keeping the books for us, was, came home one day and she was like, listen, you have a decision to make. And she's like, I'm not, I'm paralyzed. I can't make this decision, but we have 90 days until we are either gonna miss the payroll, or we're gonna miss, we're gonna miss the mortgage payment. And you gotta decide that we're paying the employees or we're paying the mortgage. It was a very easy decision for me. I was like, we gotta sell the house. That's, because we're not, nobody's ever gonna work for me and get two weeks or, or 30 days in. And then I tell them at the end of 30 days of hard work that

• 46:45Gary Brecka?

  they're not getting paid, that I'm shutting the doors. I'd rather catch up my employees and then, and then shut the doors. So I had so much conviction in what we were doing. I knew we were on the side of right.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Right.

• 46:55Gary Brecka?

  Like, and I, you know, you talk about visualization. I could only visualize that, that, that outcome. And to me, it was already there. So it didn't, didn't stress me out at all. I didn't, I didn't actually feel any, any stress from the financial burden. I didn't like the way that it was impacting the family went from four cars to one car and you got three kids and they're in different schools and you got one car and you're shuddering around. It's just chaos. But that sincere conviction in in the outcome, that destination was so vivid in my mind that I was like.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  That's so impressive. Like, I respect.

• 47:32Gary Brecka?

  Thank you. That's kind of you, man.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  And it doesn't surprise. It's like, no shit. No shit. You wasn't stressed.

• 47:37Gary Brecka?

  People look now and they're like, man, you blew up overnight. I'm like, no, no, no. I had a really slow curve for 22 years and then a hockey sticks bike, but it started a long time ago.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:47Gary Brecka?

  Wasn't a success overnight. And look, I think you fall into the same, you know, people would call it a grinder, you know, because, you know, it's, I think that you have to be fixated on something in the future and you have to be able to visualize the future. For me, I've learned to be very intentional. Like, before I sat down for this podcast, you know, I went around the corner before you guys got here. I just did a few rounds of breath work and I was like, what's my intention of this podcast? And my intention is, I want my audience to get to know this guy. Like, I'm getting to know you now, but I want my audience to get to know you through the questions that I'm asking and us being real. And, and, you know, I, I actually visualize a

• 48:32Gary Brecka?

  podcast. I visualize our conversation going well. I visualize my, my audience picking up on it and going, wow, I would have never guessed you had them all. But that was, that was an awesome podcast. I took two, three things away from that. And, and so I'm very intentional that way.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  Right, right. Yeah. I love that episode where you and Russell Brand. That was so good.

• 48:54Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:55Gary Brecka?

  It was.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  That was so good. Yeah.

• 48:58Gary Brecka?

  I talked about getting saved 24 years ago. And that was a big. Moment in my life too. And I don't impose.

• 49:06Speaker 00

  Wait, did I say his name right? Russell Brand?

• 49:08Gary Brecka?

  Russell Brand, yeah. He's a certified wild man, that guy.

• 49:11Speaker 00

  I love it. I get it.

• 49:13Gary Brecka?

  I had this weightless vest, I mean, weighted vest, and he was, he was shirtless. He's running around my house like.

• 49:20Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, barefoot. We were like, he had his kids over and his kids are playing with my nieces and we're chasing y'all around. We jumped them, jumping in the cold plunge. We got in the sauna. And then my team's like, we gotta run this podcast. So he just put the weighted vest on, no shirt, and just sat down in the podcast room and rocked it. There's something to be said for just that level of brazen authenticity, you know? And I appreciate, I say this all the time because my dad used to say it all the time growing up. He's like, if you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. So if you're afraid of who you are to the outside world, then I don't think that life's really going to amount to much for you.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  A wise man once said, I'd rather die enormous than live dormant.

• 50:07Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  You know, I get it. I get it. I'd rather go out in a blaze of fire than just have this long, mundane, boring existence.

• 50:14Gary Brecka?

  Four-year career.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:16Gary Brecka?

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• 50:59Gary Brecka?

  The challenge kicks off February 19th and it's completely free like all of my challenges. I'm inviting some of my top celebrity guests on. You'll have direct communication with them. So join now at morning.theultimatehuman.com. That's morning.theultimatehuman.com and let's change our lives together. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So back to where this goes for you. In an ideal world, you're building a compound in Dubai. And when you say building a compound, it's gonna be a community that.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, a community, a neighborhood.

• 51:31Gary Brecka?

  Okay, we'll keep an eye on it. It's the next Waco, Texas, coming in. No, I'm just kidding.

• 51:36Speaker 00

  Maybe. I'm not saying, no, I'm just kidding. No, not that.

• 51:39Gary Brecka?

  I see you start arming up in there, dude.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  No, listen, I'm going to that side of the world to not arm up.

• 51:46Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, no, you don't need arms in Dubai.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  And I don't like it. I don't want, I don't like this.

• 51:52Gary Brecka?

  I don't either.

• 51:53Speaker 00

  There's nothing for me here, right? I think this is a great nation. Great, not good, right? We live in a, you know, in a world in which you can't criticize anything. Especially the system in which is enslaving people like capitalism is run amok. How is it that the number one killer in this country is food?

• 52:16Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 52:17Speaker 00

  If food is a bullet, the gun is heart disease, type 2 diabetes and cancer. And the finger pulling it is food, right?

• 52:27Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 52:27Speaker 00

  It's so, it's so crazy. We've weaponized and turned food into a drug.

• 52:32Gary Brecka?

  We absolutely have, man. You are preaching.

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Alcohol is legal. Cigarettes is legal. It's like, what are we really talking about?

• 52:41Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  You know, there's capitalism in politics, lobbying candidates. There's capitalism in, you know, the criminal justice, the criminal system, no justice, right?

• 52:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, we profit from incarceration.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  And education, like, what are we really doing? When you're 18, you're getting credit card offers. What are we doing? So I don't want nothing here. I'm good. I'm good.

• 53:08Gary Brecka?

  Well, when you think about, we profit off of incarceration, we profit immensely from foreign wars. We profit immensely from.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  Medicine.

• 53:16Gary Brecka?

  Disease. It's not so much that we profit from medicine, it's that we actually profit from the chronic disease that requires the medicine.

• 53:23Speaker 00

  Right.

• 53:23Gary Brecka?

  You know, we profit from the theory that, you know, disease is genetically inherited. Because if I can get you to believe that you inherited a disease, then I can easily get you to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. We've gotten, we've lost so much faith in mankind, humanity, you know, the body's ability to heal itself. The power that this has over this. And, and, and the divinity of God, in my opinion, that we automatically assume that what man makes us is greater than what God gave us. And by that, I mean, if we just got back to not bathing our cellular biology in the toxic soup and trying to solve those consequences with chemicals and synthetics.

• 54:06Gary Brecka?

  And we got more, just back to the basics, which is a lot of, uh, I don't want to turn this into my podcast because it's yours, but you know, I, I believe that a lot of what has happened in our society is we've just gotten further and further and further away from the basics. Right? Exactly what you're talking about. Nutrition, exercise, mindset, community.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  Right.

• 54:28Gary Brecka?

  And, and what's interesting is the research supports this. You look at the blue zones, right? What did you find in the blue zones? Well, there wasn't any continuity in diets, whole foods, sense of purpose.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  And community, friendships.

• 54:42Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  They don't talk about that. That should be medicine. It's like music is medicine, right?

• 54:47Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 54:48Speaker 00

  My, you know, it's, it's like medicine to them is only what they could put in a bottle and charge you every 30 days, but you go run out of every 30 days. So in 2020, I experimented with LSD psychedelics, right? I'm not a drug guy and I never did drugs all my life. I did it at that little period of time, but I did a lot of research before trying it, right? And you know, the research that I saw and based on my experience, my very first experience with it, I got angry at the government for lying.

• 55:24Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  They had this as a schedule one drug, highly addictive, no therapeutic or medicinal benefits. What do you talk, it's not addictive at all. The therapy is, it was created for therapy, for one, right? It was created to get people off of, uh, illicit drugs, alcohol, smoking, so on and so forth. It also was created for people who, you know, the pharmaceutical medication for depression and anxiety and so on and so forth, wasn't working. So you did two days of intensive therapy with that, two heroic doses, back to back. No symptoms for six months, right? Now I wasn't depressed or anything like that, but when I did my journey, I was just a nicer person

• 56:08Speaker 00

  for, for, for, for a minute, like I was a lot lighter, a lot brighter. And it's nothing in it made me want to keep doing it.

• 56:15Gary Brecka?

  You know what I mean? Like I You weren't addicted to that. I think that's the same way with a lot of norotropics and you know, for me, the jury's still out because I haven't finished conclusively reading all the research, but I think there's a lot of promise in things like medicinal mushrooms, not for tripping, but for improving cognitive function. I think that, you know, we have an endocannabinoid system in the body. We can look at endocannabinoids. I mean, the, I, I don't think that anything is necessarily off the table, especially if it's been put through rigorous, you know, clinical trials. Right. I think sometimes we make enormous leaps in science. You know, people will say cows eat grass, cows have a lot of muscle. We should eat grass.

• 57:00Gary Brecka?

  It's like, sometimes we draw these conclusions that, you know,

• 57:05Gary Brecka?

  that aren't, that aren't linear. They don't make logical scientific sense. But I, one of the things I'm most excited about with this Make America Healthy Again movement is that I think the government is going to be a lot more receptive to non-pharmaceutical, non-chemical interventions and, and actually going back again to the basics, diet, lifestyle, spiritual wellbeing, sense of community. When was like, you know, the last time that your doctor said, wow, your blood pressure's high and your thyroid's a mess, your cortisol's elevated, you gotta get stress out of your life. And so, okay, Mike, well, you just need to get stress out of your life. So what does that mean? Like get a divorce, stop talking to my kids and quit my job? Because that's where the stress comes from. It's not practical.

• 57:47Gary Brecka?

  Like if, if, if we were armed to give people really good advice, hey, build a community. Find a, find a circle of like-minded people.

• 57:57Gary Brecka?

  Get the toxic relationships out of your life. Things that you could actually do, you know, that would benefit you and, and reduce your stress. Because I would bet that if I looked at your life from the outside in, I'd be like, okay, he's running these companies, he's moving to Dubai, he's got a family, he's got three kids on board. You know, he, he comes from a, you know, a colored background. He's, you know, now he's iconic in this space. You, you've got a community that you're building. You've got a lot going on. So from the outside in, you'd say, this guy should be really stressed out. And you know, what's amazing is some of the busiest people I've ever known. Including myself, are not stressed at all because they love what they're doing. Because they found that community, they found that purpose.

• 58:41Gary Brecka?

  And I think there's a lot more meaning in that in terms of its impact on people's health.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  I want to touch on something that you spoke about though, because the skeptic in me cannot just let this slide.

• 58:55Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  About our government, right? Make America healthy, that's, that sounds great.

• 59:01Gary Brecka?

  I know.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  Everything they always say sounds great. And I had to look at the leadership, there's, y'all are fat, y'all are overweight, y'all are stressed, y'all don't, they don't see.

• 59:11Gary Brecka?

  Bobby Kennedy's pretty fit.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Okay. He's the only one. But it's like, these people are not involved in anything of a spiritual nature, it doesn't seem.

• 59:20Gary Brecka?

  True.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  You know, it seems power, money, aggression. So it's like, they say these things. I want people to, look, I'm not a political guy at all. I don't care who's, whatever. But don't wait on them and don't rely on them. We should be doing these things already.

• 59:39Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:39Speaker 00

  Regardless. I don't care if they're, them saying it is cool, but as far as like anybody I know, we, this is welcome to the party.

• 59:49Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We've been here a long time.

• 59:51Speaker 00

  Like no shit, right?

• 59:52Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  So people, you know, dig, dig in. Today is the youngest you will ever be. So start getting crazy about your nutrition, your, your training, your meditation, your community, all of that, do that now.

• 1:00:05Gary Brecka?

  I agree with you.

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  Don't wait, right? So, yeah, I'm not waiting on no initiatives from anybody from.

• 1:00:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 00

  It's just, to me, it's just like.

• 1:00:12Gary Brecka?

  I'm not waiting either.

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  They're just, they sound good, they gotta say these things.

• 1:00:16Gary Brecka?

  What's, what's exciting to me is the potential to affect public policy. Because right now, I, I've reached millions of people, um, which has had an amazing impact. And, and I'm going to continue to do that. You've probably reached millions of people.

• 1:00:34Gary Brecka?

  But.

• 1:00:36Gary Brecka?

  Sometimes, you know, my, my message is not making it down to the masses.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  I get you.

• 1:00:40Gary Brecka?

  Right? And the possibility that we could potentially affect public policy is very intoxicating to me from the standpoint of making an impact and.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  What would that look like, though, the public policy side of this kind of lifestyle?

• 1:00:56Gary Brecka?

  So the public policy side would look like somebody having the intestinal fortitude to stop pharma from advertising directly to the consumer, not so that they don't advertise to the consumer, but so they don't control the media there.

• 1:01:11Gary Brecka?

  Looking at corruption in our, you know, system of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control, the National Institute of Health, where are they getting their funding from? And is funding for public policy coming from private industry? In other words, if the food industry is funding food studies that set our public policy, this is how you end up with a food pyramid that Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass-fed steak. And to me, that's, that, that is the greatest oxymoron of all time because the majority of the population, as they probably should, who's going to trust our government?

• 1:01:54Gary Brecka?

  You know, you, you drop your kid off at, at public school in the morning, you're usually not worried about what's going to happen to your kid because you trust that that school system has the best interest of your kid at heart. They're going to educate them the best they can, they're going to keep them safe, and they're going to get back in the car with you that night and things are going to go well. That might not necessarily be the case. And so I either think you remain silent and, in my opinion, become a part of the problem,

• 1:02:26Gary Brecka?

  or you speak up and at least try to do something. And because you can't do everything doesn't mean that you shouldn't do something. You know, like, I'm disappointed in our agricultural secretary that was just hired because she was the president of the. Seed Oil Society, which I think is, is the root of, of a lot of inflammatory conditions and whatnot, but I'm not, I'm not like, well, they did that. I'm, I'm done. No, I'm, I'm still going to do whatever I can to, you know, get the word out and, and have a minor amount of influence that could have a massive impact. And I have nothing financially to gain. I have nothing to sell into this system. I have nothing to benefit from that system. You know, I don't want the government to buy my product or service and distribute

• 1:03:05Gary Brecka?

  it to people. I just think if you look at your eulogy virtues, uh, when, when, when the sun sets on this lifetime, you know, what, what do you want people to say about you and what, what kind of impact were you going to make? And so I want to do everything I can.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  I disagree with you on one thing.

• 1:03:21Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:03:21Speaker 00

  Your message is getting downstream, right? So it's just a matter of time before things hit a tipping point for anybody, right? But that, if it hits a tipping point or not, that's not important. What's important is, listen, I learned about this hydrogen water at Dave, uh, the owner of my kid's school at his house. That's you. This is your thing, right?

• 1:03:44Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  So, you know, the message is there. You're effective is getting out. Now, when it comes to policy, I, I just have a hard time believing that they're gonna deny these billions of dollars or these hundreds of millions of dollars from Big Pharma from who helped them get to where they are now. And let's not get it twisted. Both sides, the Republican, Democrat is

• 1:04:07Gary Brecka?

  Oh, I don't think it's a Republican Democrat issue.

• 1:04:09Speaker 00

  Two wings on the same bird, right?

• 1:04:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 00

  They, their daddies are the same people, right? On both sides. It's just whoever wins. Now, you know, that's the gateway for business for these, these entities. So I just want people to have a realistic expectation about what's to come. Don't be bummed out if nothing changes. Because for things to change, that mean a lot of people not going to be making money, right? And they're not, they don't play about their money.

• 1:04:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 1:04:36Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  These big level billionaires, these industry, the cigarette industry, the food industry out, they don't play about their money. So I don't see that like anybody shutting any of that down, you know?

• 1:04:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I don't see as that is a reason to not try. And you may very well be right. But I'll find out the hard way. And I'll give as much effort and time and energy to that as I can. And I think one of the things I see shifting is that, you know, if you, what elected the last president was it was circumventing the media and going through social media platforms, podcasts and stage talks.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  Indeed.

• 1:05:15Gary Brecka?

  And and I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not making, you know, an argument for one side or the other. What I'm saying is, I think that there's a, there's an opportunity for messages to tap the masses without going through the standard media filter channels, which in my opinion.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  Well, well, I think that is the way that messages, that's the only way is.

• 1:05:38Gary Brecka?

  That's the way you and I are building our businesses now.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Correct, correct.

• 1:05:41Gary Brecka?

  And making our impact.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  You was on the biggest media outlet there is Joe Rogan.

• 1:05:45Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 1:05:46Gary Brecka?

  That was amazing.

• 1:05:46Speaker 00

  So, yeah, so this, this is mainstream media. Social media is the new media.

• 1:05:52Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  We should stop taking the social.

• 1:05:53Gary Brecka?

  It frustrates a lot of people, man.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  Off of it, just call it media. I mean, look at every, every news, boring news, dude, they got a little YouTube thing now.

• 1:06:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  You can check out our YouTube thing. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:06:05Gary Brecka?

  It's so true.

• 1:06:06Speaker 00

  Give me a like.

• 1:06:06Gary Brecka?

  You know what's cool too, is that people can be ultra selective. Like when I turn on the news, I don't have a choice over what's being streamed to me, right? If they, they're going to talk about, you know, the fires in Los Angeles or the latest going on in the political arena or their last football game. Well, I might not care about football and I might not watch soccer, but I'm going to have to sit through that. Whereas now with the, with the new, you know, media platforms, they can say, man, I like this guy's message. I'm going to select in to follow him or follow Gary. I like what Gary's saying, what he's doing. And they, so people opt in to get that information and they get a lot of condensed information in a narrow area where you like fashion, you're following this person, you know?

• 1:06:45Speaker 00

  That's the beauty of it, but all right, Gary, what do you think about this? Here's the thing. People are consuming information, whether it seems meaningful or not, a lot of it is just entertainment to them, right? Even if it's, I know people that study for years, whatever, you, you pick a thing and they're not going to execute, he's going to keep watching podcasts on that particular topic, right? So we were talking about this other day, like, it just seemed like nothing matters because if a person has a specific bias towards or against something, all the logic and rationale in the world is not going to change their mind, and who cares? They don't care. They don't care about the truth, right?

• 1:07:29Speaker 00

  They don't want to hear your evidence. If you present very compelling evidence, well, I don't trust that source, right? So it's like, it's kind of like disheartening to even try to have some of these discussions in the macro.

• 1:07:43Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:43Speaker 00

  Because it seems like people just, I don't know, maybe it's so much information, right? Information overload to where people are desensitized to things. I mean, listen, we had like a couple of weeks of congressional hearings about aliens and nobody cares. You know what I'm saying? It's like, they're like, wait, wait, wait. Non-human biological, even if it's bullshit, let's get to the bottom of this, right?

• 1:08:04Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:08:04Speaker 00

  Nobody gives a shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I'm like, look, I'm blown away about so many things. But it's like, we can't have these conversations because nobody cares.

• 1:08:15Gary Brecka?

  I think to an extent, you're, you're, you're right, but um, I think it goes back to the God helps those who help themselves, meaning you, you have to put a message out to the world. It's going to land on receptive ears for people that are going to take action. It's going to land on skeptical ears for people that are going to attack you, and it's going to land on ears that just completely uh, fall deaf on. Still doesn't mean that you don't put the message out. You know, one of the interesting things I've found about just being so consistent and so intentional, you know, just like having a podcast, it's I don't think a lot of people realize what a commitment it is. You have to turn out content every single week and it's got to be entertaining and it's got to serve your

• 1:08:55Gary Brecka?

  audience and it's got to create value or you will lose listeners. And, and, and I also turn out something called a podcast short, which I release every Thursday. So it's eight very large pieces of content that you have to turn out. Then that's got to be chopped and edited and, and translated into other languages and the words got to be put on and it's got to be, you know, you have to make sizzle reels to grab people's attention. I mean, it's, it's a production and it's a serious commitment. What I've found is I'm starting to, I mean, I found plenty of skeptics, right? To attack, attack me online. Probably got people doing the same thing with you, right? And I think you have to look past that and, and say, I'm

• 1:09:37Gary Brecka?

  still going to hammer this message because I believe in it so much. And I've seen that community grow. You know, I mean, we had 28 million impressions.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  I'm not saying that that's, I'm, I'm, my heels are dug in to do the work. I'm here for it. You know, it's just a little bit disheartening. That's all I'm saying. You know how aloof it seems some people are?

• 1:09:58Gary Brecka?

  You want to shake them.

• 1:09:59Speaker 00

  And not caring. Right?

• 1:10:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  You know, so that's all, you know, it's just, it's just like, yeah, I want to shake people every now and then.

• 1:10:07Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. The narrative that bothers me is that as soon as you become successful messaging by the mere success that you succeeded or had some kind of financial benefit from it, that automatically makes it nefarious. And I don't believe that at all. And that's that because I desperately try to give people low or zero cost choices. And I don't want to be known as the person that only works with celebrities or A-listers or rich people. I want to be known as the one trying to make an impact on, on the masses. But some people are so myopic and they'll just. They don't realize that I wasn't an overnight success and I'm still as committed to my message now as I was back then.

• 1:10:52Gary Brecka?

  Nobody just knew who I was back then. And the connection that somehow success means you must be doing something nefarious.

• 1:11:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, you know what that is? Sigmund Freud called that slave morality versus master morality, right? So if you look at it, so one who embodies the master morality.

• 1:11:13Gary Brecka?

  Great podcast by the way, like I forgot who's interviewing who, but this is going really well.

• 1:11:19Speaker 00

  One who embodies a master morality, um, you know, they're confident, they're shooting for the stars, so on and so forth. These are the leaders and the kings and the entrepreneurs and people who are shifting society. And then the slave morality is this. Now there's two types of master moralities though. There's one that keep the slave morality, slave mentality, they keep them there. What they do is they peddle, uh, division, they peddle fear, they peddle, you never be anything. You're a sinner, like that kind of energy, right? Then you have another master morality where I think I've fallen under where we're trying to educate those who have a slave morality to get out of that, right?

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  You know, there is no, so one with a slave morality, with a true slave morality, they find oppression to be where the ethics are, right? It's, it's, it's like they stand against, they stand for nothing, they stand against everything, right? So anybody that's rich, that's powerful, they're evil, they're bad, right?

• 1:12:23Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  So, and they don't look at them, they, they believe things like, I think it's a, a quote in the culture of Christianity, because it's not real Christianity. They say it's easier to go through the eye of, for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven. Why? Why?

• 1:12:41Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  Who's, who came up with that?

• 1:12:43Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, who came up with that?

• 1:12:43Speaker 00

  It's nonsense, right? So if a person is oppressed.

• 1:12:47Gary Brecka?

  People.

• 1:12:48Speaker 00

  If a person is oppressed.

• 1:12:49Gary Brecka?

  History written in the Bible.

• 1:12:50Speaker 00

  That is a, a temporary condition. Let's get out of that. Let's get out of that. We're not sitting here. It's temporary and that right there should fuel you to be successful. Fuel you to be great, to never be there again. So the one who embodies a slave morality, everything is evil. They ain't even gonna try, right? And, um, you know, you gotta like, look at life for what it is. Like, it's like, we all want the same things. But y'all are acting like y'all hate it on this side because you're not here. But you're not here yet. You can get here if you try.

• 1:13:22Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Speaker 00

  Don't hate me, ask me questions.

• 1:13:24Gary Brecka?

  Exactly. Like, what do they say? Like, you know, everybody enjoys the view, very few people enjoy the climb. And it's, it's very true, you know? Um, a former mentor of mine said, lots of people want to do what I do. No one wants to do what I've done. And I think that's, you know, I think that's so true. They don't see the struggle, they only see the outcome. And, um.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  And there's so much beauty and the, the grind to the top.

• 1:13:50Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  That's how you get, that's how you get strong.

• 1:13:53Gary Brecka?

  It's such the best.

• 1:13:53Speaker 00

  That's how you get powerful.

• 1:13:55Gary Brecka?

  Switch it for, it brought my family so tight together, you know, having my kids in the hunt with us. It brought Sage and I, my wife, you know, we, we were boyfriend and girlfriend. There were fiance and, and then we were husband and wife. And, um, and, and I think in some ways, the greatest relationships are the ones that go through everything that's meant to tear them apart. And they survive.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  That's testing your metal.

• 1:14:18Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  It's like, we supposed to go through this. We, and now let's.

• 1:14:22Gary Brecka?

  It doesn't seem like that when you're in it, but.

• 1:14:25Speaker 00

  I look at life like this, like anything of character, right? Friendship or whatever is for those hard times, right? I wait, I, I'm sitting here patiently for the day that one of my friends need a kidney. You know what I'm saying? Like.

• 1:14:40Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  I got it. I can't wait to show you or whomever. Listen, character is developed in hard times. It doesn't, when, when everything is good, the money's up, everybody's happy. That's, it's easy to be a nice person then. How are you gonna act when you're being attacked from all areas, right? How are you gonna act when you lose your job, lose your girlfriend, whatever, right? So that's when you have to develop and display character. And that's when it matters. Not when everything is smooth and copacetic. And people gotta understand that and get fired up when those hard times come. Like, alright, now I'm gonna step it up. This is my time to shine.

• 1:15:15Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I love that, man. So, um, this has been amazing, by the way. Much, much better than I even thought, because I like to get philosophical on things. But, um, we're gonna move into my, uh, VIP ultimate human community. Before we do that, I, I ask all of my guests the same question.

• 1:15:32Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:33Gary Brecka?

  And there's no right or wrong answer to this question. If you watch my podcast, maybe you're ready for it. Um, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  Ultimate human is to be, to be a god of oneself, right? So if I am my own god, that means I am in control of my destiny in a real way, right? So I can't blame anything or anybody on my shortcomings, right? Because once I blame them, then they control me. They're my god. And I'll never do that. But I don't have shortcomings, because I don't, I don't, I don't get sick. I don't lose, like, all of the negative things does not apply to me. Why? Because I create my own reality, and that's what gods do. They create things, right? All existence is only in existence because we are conscious of it. That mean we create our reality, okay?

• 1:16:26Speaker 00

  When you start looking deeper into things, consciousness is the precursor to creation, to all things. If someone's behind you making faces at you and you don't know it, they're not there. It's not a reality of yours, right? So I am my own god, so I control everything in my existence, my health, my finances, my mindset, my, you know, my everything. I, look, my destiny is based on the decisions that I make. So that's being the ultimate, and also being an ultimate is this. I know that there's a day that's gonna come when this is not gonna be any use anymore.

• 1:17:05Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:17:05Speaker 00

  So what does that mean? I'm gonna go hard to the fucking paint until I get there. You know what I'm saying? I'm maxing out. I'm maxing out. I'd rather die at 50 as a legend.

• 1:17:17Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:18Speaker 00

  Than to be 100, this boring old man, like, nothing about him.

• 1:17:21Gary Brecka?

  I'm with you on that.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  So I tell my people like, yo, when I get to a certain point when I'm not used to it, take me out to the desert.

• 1:17:29Speaker 00

  I'm writing it out. I'm writing it out. Y'all have my permission. You know what I'm saying? So that's, that's maxing out. Like, like, understanding that death, like, what we call death, I don't even think that's a bad thing. But the word is death, is we have to name things, right? Should be a motivator to live to the fullest every fucking day.

• 1:17:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, nobody gets out of this thing alive.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, so max it out, be ultimate.

• 1:17:52Gary Brecka?

  That is amazing. Well, if you're interested in becoming a VIP ultimate human, you can go over to theultimatehuman.com and sign up to be a VIP. Mike and I are gonna move into the VIP chat right now and do some direct one-on-one questions. But until next time, guys, that's just science.