“An Alien Gave Me The True Purpose of the Pyramids!” -Geoffrey Drumm

Our American Alchemist this week is Geoffrey Drumm, an independent researcher, author, and creator of The Land of Chem, focused on ancient technology and the true function of the Egyptian pyramids. --------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! Neurogum: For a limited time, you can get 20% off your first order at https://NeuroGum.com by using code JESSE ZBiotics: Go to https://zbiotics.com/JESSE and use JESSE at checkout for 15% off any first-time orders of ZBiotics probiotics. Qualia: Curious about creatine? Go to https://qualialife.com/JESSE to get 50% off and save an extra 15% with the code JESSE Grab Your American Alchemy Merchandise Here! https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ --------------------- Geoffrey Drumm began researching alternative theories about the pyramids in 2012 and first traveled to Egypt in 2017, where experiences at sites including the Red Pyramid helped shape his theory that ancient monuments may have functioned as industrial-scale chemical manufacturing systems. In this conversation, he explains why he believes the Step Pyramid extracted methane, the Red Pyramid produced ammonia, and the Great Pyramid manufactured sulfuric acid; how ancient stone circles and obelisks may have harnessed telluric currents and lightning; the possible connection between ball lightning, UFO sightings, and ancient sites; ancient weather modification; evidence for hidden tunnels and infrastructure beneath Giza; and why he believes the famous boat pits beside the Great Pyramid may have functioned as circuit breakers in a larger natural electrical network. Explore Geoffrey’s research, The Land of Chem, and his latest work at thelandofchem.com. YouTube: The Land of ChemInstagram: @thelandofchemX: @TheLandOfChemFacebook: The Land of Chem --------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] --------------------- 0:00 - Introduction 3:07 - Revisiting the Filippo Biondi Interview 8:47 - Drumm's Confidence in the Scans 11:46 - Christopher Dunn's Power Plant Theory 13:23 - The Chemical Manufacturing Hypothesis 17:17 - Fritz Haber and Ammonia 21:10 - Who Built the Pyramids 25:11 - Telluric Currents Explained 29:09 - Stonehenge and the Altar Stone 31:28 - Lightning and Atmospheric Nitrates 32:51 - The Baltic Sea Anomaly 34:48 - Were Neolithic People Primitive? 37:05 - The Jomon and Komakino 39:43 - Sponsors (Neuro Gum) 41:41 - UFO Sightings at Kuromanta 42:35 - Blue Flames at the Pyramid 44:50 - The Varginha Incident 47:55 - Industrial Uses for Ammonia 48:57 - Younger Dryas and the Survivors 50:56 - Teotihuacan and Liquid Mercury 51:47 - Construction Materials and Mica 53:06 - White Horse Hills 56:06 - Schumann Resonance 59:12 - Michael Levin and Bioelectricity 1:00:40 - Stone Circles for Human Interface 1:03:39 - From Stone Circles to Pyramids 1:05:06 - Iron Veins Under the Great Pyramid 1:06:23 - Calcium Sulfate in the Queen's Chamber 1:08:57 - Newgrange as Passage Chamber Reactor 1:10:40 - Why Build in Egypt 1:13:28 - Discovering Sulfuric Acid 1:16:39 - The Output of Each Pyramid 1:17:53 - The Kardashev Scale 1:19:21 - Why These Chemicals Mattered 1:21:34 - Sponsors (Qualia) 1:23:09 - Sponsors (ZBiotics) 1:24:27 - What the Chemicals Were For 1:25:41 - Weather Modification Technology 1:26:59 - When the Knowledge Was Lost 1:29:05 - Greeks, Romans, and Evidence 1:32:11 - Andrew Hall and the Thunderbolts Project 1:34:32 - Conviction Level 1:36:54 - Favorite Piece of Evidence 1:39:59 - Robert Schoch and Lichtenberg Figures 1:43:59 - Electroculture 1:46:52 - The Boat Pits as Circuit Breakers 1:49:34 - Pyramid Alignments and Orion 1:53:16 - The Inverse Piezoelectric Effect 1:56:19 - Drumm's Bold Prediction 1:58:54 - The Ministry of Antiquities 2:01:33 - Lack of Recognition 2:04:46 - The Hawara Labyrinth 2:06:27 - Lost Ancient High Technology 2:07:20 - Leaving a Career Behind 2:09:19 - The Abusir Collection Bowl 2:10:02 - The Etymology of Chem 2:12:42 - Ammonia in the Red Pyramid 2:15:00 - The Hotel Encounter 2:19:34 - Theories About the Stranger 2:23:31 - Channels and Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

  Everything in Egypt is essentially the apex, pinnacle execution of ancient stone technology, harnessing the abundant natural resources and converting them into chemical commodities.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  To me, that was the first indication that alchemy was born in ancient Egypt.

• 0:49Jesse Michels?

  Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem, you are as deep in corroborating this theory of these ancient megalithic sites. And a lot of them are not only functional, but you can see the development from stone circles to pyramids.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  And we experimentally demonstrated that if you induce voltage and send electrical current into one stone, it absolutely arcs into the next stone.

• 1:10Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy. Like lightning strikes, the most powerful atmospheric event that a Neolithic person could possibly witness. So lightning guided the way for ancient civilizations to build these things. These positive charges are going to start to accumulate. All of a sudden, you get that lightning discharge, the rain, the atmospheric nitrate fertilizers, and voila, we now have the birth of stone circle obelisk standing stones, atmospheric nitrate fertilizer technology. And it's being built all over the planet.

• 1:44Jesse Michels?

  You even make the connection as to why UFOs show up around some of these sites. In fact, there's a specific case in Japan.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  So that's a site called Pyramid Coramontta. And people report UFO sightings, mainly these glowing orbs directly connected to Pyramid Coramontta. It's one of the most mysterious sites in northern Japan. It's a shape-shifting plasma phenomenon that can change into these different formations. There's an interesting connection between the smell of sulfur and ammonia directly related to UFO phenomenon and ball lightning phenomenon.

• 2:16Jesse Michels?

  Well, that's extremely common. It's this case in Brazil. There is a statue commemorating this UFO encounter because everyone in this city, all of them, say that the beings smelled like sulfur and ammonia.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  That is just the tip of the iceberg of substantiating evidence that I've discovered over the past nine years. Very strange experience during my first trip to Egypt. So my friend and I go to sit to dinner, and I'm looking at him in the eyes. And he has these big, bulbous eyes, like chameleon, like kind of like they operated independently, where one was kind of looking over. It was like, really, really weird.

• 2:51Jesse Michels?

  What? And he had googly eyes.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Because googly eyes, and I remember he already knew where my mind was going in advance of the conversation. And then he starts probing, asking these really methodical questions regarding this theory that I had just generated that day. Tell me what you know.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Ignition sequence five.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  How is this possible?

• 3:18Speaker 04

  Nothing too unusual about that.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Death, existence cannot longer be denied.

• 3:34Jesse Michels?

  Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Land of Chem.

• 3:36Jesse Michels?

  Welcome back. This is part two for us.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:40Jesse Michels?

  A really interesting, I thought, very fun and good-natured, which is also kind of refreshing for this sort of thing, podcast with Filippo Biondi, of course, of Synthetic Aperture Radar Doppler Tomography fame, who has these scans, which he claims show these 20-meter-wide hollow tubular structures, eight of them below the coffer pyramid. Total proof of concept for the actual technique. That's amazing.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  But that's my point.

• 4:12Jesse Michels?

  And then you need to do that for the thing that's going viral that everybody cares about. It's definitely something to pay attention to. I don't find him to be dishonest in, you know, my, again, limited context with him. I find him to be sort of good-natured. And then my guess is, like, he's also very interested in heterodox science and science history and stuff.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:39Jesse Michels?

  And there was this telling thing he actually said in my first interview with him, where he was like, Marconi was too stupid to know that he was wrong, and so he ended up getting it right. And so the context here is that everyone was like, you can't send an electromagnetic signal. It doesn't make sense, you know.

• 5:03Jesse Michels?

  You know, you can't take the curvature of the earth, literally, like it'll literally shoot into space, right? And Marconi was like too dumb to, he was almost like ignorant in an adaptive way, where he tried it across the Atlantic. And so he was sort of wrong in a sense because the electromagnetic waves, I think he thought they curved, but they don't curve. So he didn't anticipate the ionosphere. And so the electromagnetic wave bounced off the ionosphere, and then it landed. And he actually received an electromagnetic signal. And I wonder if there's something similar with this, where it's like, you are clearly right. And this is a hopeful wish. And again, I don't know how I shake out exactly 50/50, 60/40.

• 5:47Jesse Michels?

  I'm somewhere on the margin. I think it's extremely worthy of investigation.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 5:51Jesse Michels?

  I like him. And then I wonder if it's a case like that, where maybe it's probably not the energy grid, it's probably not the first guess that the internet applies to the thing, but there's like something directionally correct about the readings.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:08Jesse Michels?

  And we go down there, and it's way weirder and more interesting than we ever, ever kind of thought to begin with. And it was because of the virality of, you know, because he had the boldness to like make this claim that we figure out what's going on.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Thanks to this research, people are more interested in what is really below the Giza Plateau.

• 6:27Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Which is critical to the function of these structures. And before this, there was no interest in what's underground. Right? Everybody's paying attention to Great Pyramid, Great Pyramid. It's a power plant. It does X, Y, Z. Only focusing on the inside of it.

• 6:41Jesse Michels?

  You honestly conducted the interview. I was sort of a fly-on-the-wall facilitator.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:46Jesse Michels?

  And you did it in a way that I could not. So I really thank you for that because you asked a bunch of really good first principles questions and poked at areas, which I think are weak in, you know, the way he presented a couple of things. But I think it was in a way that stress-tested his findings. And I also thought she showed a lot of confidence for him to show up and answer a lot of these things.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 7:11Jesse Michels?

  I loved the kind of collegial, good feel of it. But we were just talking right before the show. And to just tell you, want to repeat what you told me?

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Sure, sure, yeah. So people, especially followers of my channel, know that I've been following this for a long time. And I really like Filippo Biondi, and I think the research is fascinating. And anybody that's in the community shouldn't be outright dismissing this stuff. Because even if there's a 5% potential for something to be discovered, implementing this type of technology, we should be investigating it. And we should give at least some opportunity for entertaining the idea and listening to him and having him explain more in-depth the mechanisms of operation and the method and all the things that go into these discoveries. Because if what he claims is real, it could be potentially one of the biggest discoveries

• 8:05Speaker 01

  in relation to the function and the true mysteries of the Egyptian pyramids that has ever happened in archaeology.

• 8:11Jesse Michels?

  Even Richard Dawkins, who is, I think, kind of a guardian of the priestly citadel of modern science and always shakes out on the skeptical side.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:20Jesse Michels?

  He said, here's a quote, and I'm paraphrasing. It's something like,

• 8:25Jesse Michels?

  "The implications of something being true, how profound those are, times the likelihood that it is true is like a good formula heuristic for looking into something." So this is worthy of investigation, clearly.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 8:39Jesse Michels?

  Because it would be paradigm shifting if you had these mega-structures underneath the pyramids.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  You know, my interest in the research project goes back many, many years. And, you know, like I said yesterday, I've invested a lot of time into studying the research, entertaining potential implementations of their findings into my working hypothesis for the function of the Egyptian pyramids. So I have a vested interest in determining whether this is real and something to be taken seriously or if it should be dismissed. Because, again, I'm really focused on getting to the bottom of the mystery regarding the function of the Egyptian pyramids. And originally, my stance, and I've said this publicly to Filippo, you know, I don't 100% agree with any of this stuff. My original stance, when I started looking at this back in 2020,

• 9:26Speaker 01

  when I was evaluating their original paper, was about 50/50. 50%, I don't believe it at all. 50%, I see some potential in the technology to be utilized to discover. Hidden structures within the pyramids, which is really the impetus of their entire work is to find things that have not been documented by the conventional archaeological process. So I was about 50 50. The more I looked into it after the Malta conference and after doing some digging and more videos on their second paper regarding the Kafra Pyramid, I was about 70 30. 70%, I don't believe it.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  30% thinking that there is some limited potential for the scanning technology to detect structures within the pyramids. 70% being it cannot permeate deep underground at all. And that the so-called pillar structures are really just figments of the scanning process, like echoes or long exposure, figments of the scanning process. After yesterday's conversation, I'm more like 80 20.

• 10:35Jesse Michels?

  Really?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  So I've, so I've lost about 10% in my belief in the, there, there's definitely something potentially to it. I really like Filippo and he is an expert in radar technology. He's a radar engineer. He's a software developer, so he should know what he's doing. However, in the context of the conversation yesterday, there were several things, and this was the first time I've had a chance to sit down with Filippo face to face and ask him some really poignant questions that have really been bugging me. And these are the same questions that everybody in the industry has been having, especially the people that have immediately debunked the research, which was, there was a whole community of people

• 11:19Speaker 01

  that either shut it down completely, rejected it immediately without really asking any probing questions, or like we said yesterday, there's the other hand where they just accept it unquestioningly, were 100% on board. They found a huge city in these alien mega-structures underneath the pyramids. So I'm not trying to debunk Filippo. I really like it. I'm super interested.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Keep coming to the table with more, right?

• 11:41Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, no, you're.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  And that, that can be.

• 11:43Jesse Michels?

  You're asking the right questions and you're, you're, you're pinpointing real issues. And so I'm, I'm just excited to see how it gets, the ball's in his court.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 11:53Jesse Michels?

  He's got to follow up and he needs to, uh, whatever is quote unquote proprietary in his head needs to be like replicated, scaled to the rest of the scientific community, made accessible, because there are so many things we are taking at face value, uh, that I think need to, need to really be, you know, uh, understood and scrutinized kind of publicly.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:16Jesse Michels?

  But okay, let's transition because.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  And that's a good preface too.

• 12:21Jesse Michels?

  I think you're one of two people, you and Christopher Dunn, who actually have a theory as to what the pyramid's function actually was.

• 12:29Speaker 05

  Where the supposed king's chamber is, where those passages go through into it. What do you think that thing was?

• 12:37Speaker 06

  A power plant. The book is entitled The Giza Power Plant, and I describe it as an electron harvester. You could describe it as both.

• 12:46Jesse Michels?

  I do think the consensus is shifting away from these being originally conceived as tombs.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 12:53Jesse Michels?

  And, and Graham Hancock and Robert Schoch, and those guys are really kind of at the forefront of that, but academia feels like it's catching up on that.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:00Jesse Michels?

  And now the question is, what the hell are they and what were they for? And I think whereas Christopher Dunn, who's done a great show on Joe Rogan and some other podcasts, uh, would say is it's like, uh, you know, hydrogen power plant, like an energy plant or something?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 13:15Jesse Michels?

  Basically, and, and, and you say that it's this chemical manufacturing facility and it deals with Carteshev scales and the ability to do metallurgy, mining and, and basic agriculture.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 13:27Jesse Michels?

  So it's so incredible. And so now we're getting back to the origin story. So go for it.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  So to clarify the main difference between Christopher Dunn's work and my work.

• 13:35Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  He focuses exclusively on the Great Pyramid.

• 13:38Jesse Michels?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  And he's termed himself as a Great Pyramid exclusionist. His work does not address any other pyramids, and he's admitted this as a deficiency of his work, because the mechanisms that apply to the Great Pyramid don't apply to any of the other structures. My work starts with the function of stone circles and obelisk structures, passage chamber reactors like Newgrange and other passage chamber systems that are located all around the world, then moving into the function of the Egyptian pyramids, talking about the step pyramid, the red pyramid, the bent pyramid, the great pyramid and the central pyramid as a comprehensive system for the production of various chemicals on an industrial scale.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Methane being extracted and produced within the step pyramid, that methane being converted into ammonia within the red pyramid, that ammonia being transformed into either ammonium bicarbonate or urea, similar chemical composition. End product depends on the total temperature and pressure of the reaction. I lean more towards urea now, which is just a solid compound ammonia-based fertilizer. And the pyramids on the Giza Plateau producing sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid within the Great Pyramid and Central Pyramids respectively. So it's a comprehensive theory that the Egyptian pyramids are industrial-scale chemical manufacturing plants.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Christopher Dunn's theory uses chemicals as the input and power as the output. My theory is the exact opposite, where the input is nature's electricity and the output itself are industrial chemical commodities.

• 15:16Jesse Michels?

  You are kind of as deep as corroborate in corroborating this theory as anybody in the world. Like you have so much data that you put against it. You, it's like painstaking.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:25Jesse Michels?

  And so.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  And I appreciate the acknowledgement of that.

• 15:29Jesse Michels?

  Oh yeah, of course. No, no, no.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  And that means a lot coming from you, somebody that's, um, very intentional in scrutinizing the existing evidence for any particular, same thing like we're doing with Beyond D, right?

• 15:39Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  We want to see the full, the full gamut of all the information.

• 15:42Jesse Michels?

  No, and you showed it in that conversation and also when you've done other podcasts like my buddy Danny Jones.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, shout out Danny.

• 15:49Jesse Michels?

  Shout out Danny. It's like, he was like, that was the most detailed, like, it was like a seven hour thing that, you know, and he was like exhausted by the end of it.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  So. Yeah, we, we both were. That was, I did, so when I went to Florida, I did a nine-hour presentation on Limitless.

• 16:04Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  And then did seven hours on Danny's show. And that, even just doing that.

• 16:08Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Is just the tip of the iceberg of the substantiating evidence that I've discovered over the past, so 2017 to 2026, we're talking about, um, nine years of working on this project.

• 16:23Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  I published my book in 2020 and my YouTube channel went public in 2020 also. So in the six years since I went public on YouTube, I have more than 400 research-based episodes presenting meticulous explanation of all the mechanisms of operation that go into the function of all these different structures. And that's been, like you said, kind of one of the biggest objections in the barrier to entry and people getting interested in my work, because they don't know where to start.

• 16:51Jesse Michels?

  One interesting point that I've heard you make on Danny Jones's podcast is, uh, with respect to ammonia and fertilizer. So first off, I think in some ways your theory is actually the most reasonable, because it's not this fantastical, oh, we're producing nuclear fusion over unity, free energy for the earth and Atlantis existed and like, it was like this infinite abundance sort of, you know, uh, utopia. Uh, in, in, in your case, you're just saying what, what is needed for, you know, a Carteshev scale one, you know, civilization, which is a framework that is very popular around the ability to basically harness the earth's energy.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:32Jesse Michels?

  And so, you know, that is, in, in this case, especially locally in the Giza Plateau, it would be fertilizer mining and metallurgy would be just essential to like, you know, civilization there.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 17:44Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. And so, um, one interesting connection that I remember hearing you make on Danny Jones is that Fritz Haber, who is responsible for modern fertilization techniques.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:55Jesse Michels?

  Which is remarkable because he, I mean, he was this Nazi and also responsible for the deaths of, I believe he was responsible for like mustard gas and, or Zyklon B or something?

• 18:04Speaker 01

  That was the reason he committed suicide.

• 18:06Jesse Michels?

  There you go.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Because his original invention of the industrial-scale ammonia synthesis process was later adapted to chemical warfare.

• 18:15Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  So something that he created to make fertilizer for food was eventually taken to the dark side and used to kill, you know, vast amounts of people, which is one of the reasons he, he committed suicide.

• 18:26Jesse Michels?

  Right. It wouldn't have been, because mustard gas was World War One. Was it Zyklon B or was it something?

• 18:30Speaker 01

  I don't know the name of the, uh, it was making ammonium nitrate explosives.

• 18:35Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  And other, you can certainly make toxic compounds from that. I don't, I don't know exactly what the, the weaponized version, I, I think it was ammonium nitrate.

• 18:44Jesse Michels?

  So a classic case of somebody who, it's kind of similar to Alfred Nobel, who, you know, created the Nobel Prize where it was, you know, I think it was like dynamite was what he invented.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:53Jesse Michels?

  You know, often inventions are, uh, liberating, freeing and create abundance and simultaneously, it's always dual use and often, you know, weaponizable. So, so he was inspired by the red pyramid? Is that right?

• 19:07Speaker 01

  So Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch. Carl Bosch is known as the father of electrochemistry. And they were both creating these revolutionary industrial-scale chemical synthesis projects in the early 1900s. Both of them traveled extensively in Egypt. It's wild. Yeah. And my hypothesis is that old Fritz Haber, in the same process that I did in investigating the red pyramid, reverse engineered the same mechanisms of operation that drive the system. And instead of, you know, publishing in a book or unveiling it, he, you know, kept the secret and converted it into the industrial process that we now have known as the Haber process to make ammonia.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  The original apparatus that he created is three chambers. And for some reason, he put the third chamber above. When he set this thing up, it's two chambers at ground level and one chamber that's raised above. It's the exact same configuration as the chambers of the red pyramid. There's no technical reason to put that third chamber on a stand. But for some reason, he did it. And I think it's an homage. If you look at the side by side comparison, I have a slide in here somewhere. You look at the side by side comparison. It's, it's an exact replica of the chambers of the red pyramid. And it operates by the same principles of increasing temperature and pressure within the system to facilitate chemical reactions. Yeah, I'm sure you saw that we made a one to 40 scale model

• 20:34Speaker 01

  of the red pyramid and it completely exploded due to the pressure on the inside of this thing. And that was one of the.

• 20:41Jesse Michels?

  Do we have any historical evidence? We just, we know he was in Egypt.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:44Jesse Michels?

  Do we know that he visited the pyramids per se?

• 20:47Speaker 01

  No, no, not specifically. There's no documentation. There's, there's a book that mentions that his original ammonia synthesis project was financed by an Egyptian banker, which I found that was very interesting.

• 20:59Jesse Michels?

  Interesting.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  They have postcards that were sent from Fritz Haber being dated in Egypt. He had documented traveling to Egypt. But there's no mention specifically of the pyramids. That's just kind of my, you know, I don't want to call it a conspiracy theory, but there's, there's something very unusual.

• 21:13Jesse Michels?

  Because the chamber, the chambers match one to one in certain ways, not even in a functionally adaptive way. You have the chambers matching unnecessarily almost as if he was copying the pyramid.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, again, when you look at the original apparatus, the third chamber is on a stand.

• 21:29Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  There's no reason for that from a functional perspective and making that work.

• 21:34Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  He just set it on a stand because it's elevated above the ground, which is exactly the configuration of the red pyramid.

• 21:39Jesse Michels?

  So I want to ask you like a super high level question before diving into all the evidence that the pyramids are chemical manufacturing power plants, which is, who do you think built the pyramids and when were they built? Cause that's the hotly contested thing. And I think that's important before getting into their possible functionality and why they were built.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 00

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• 22:31Speaker 01

  So I see a direct evolution in ancient stone technology tracing back to the end of the last ice age, starting with stone circles and passage chamber reactors like Newgrange, which are proto pyramids and basic systems that encapsulate reaction chambers using simple mechanisms of operation like circulating moist airflow within these reaction chambers to produce chemical reactions. So passage chamber reactors like Newgrange are the first implementation of Earth natural resource utilization technology on the planet, built by human beings at the end of the last ice age in an attempt to rebuild civilization

• 23:14Speaker 01

  and ensure the proliferation of the human species for generations to come. They were industrial infrastructure projects that brought things like atmospheric nitrate fertilizers and rain to certain areas to promote agriculture. They were manufacturing things like ferrous sulfate, which is kind of a ubiquitous chemical for soil conditioning. You can use it to produce sulfuric acid. You can use it to render metallic iron. There's a variety of applications, both agricultural and construction material related for ferrous sulfate. And then eventually, the Egyptian pyramids were designed, starting with the step pyramid that was used for the extraction of bedrock deposits of methane.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  That methane, so there's a direct connection between subterranean natural resources, telluric currents and lightning strikes.

• 24:05Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  And often, bedrock methane seeps are ignited by lightning, which create these perpetually burning sacred flames. The sacred flame was revered in ancient Middle Eastern religions like the Zoroastrianisms. The oracle at Delphi was a methane seep, a burning methane seep, a lot of which were ignited by lightning. So lightning guided the way for ancient civilizations to find subterranean natural resources like oil and gas and also subterranean deposits of metal ore minerals. So the step pyramid was implemented for the extraction of bedrock methane. And I believe that they were operational between the time period from 8,500 B.C. to around 5,300 B.C.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  in a period known as the Saharan humid period. So the development of this technology starts around 10,000 B.C. We have stone circles, passage chamber reactors. That gradually evolved into the apex execution of the technology in the Egyptian pyramids circa 8,500 B.C. The construction would have began and they were in operation for about 3,000 years.

• 25:14Jesse Michels?

  Wow, interesting.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  But this also connects to the Japanese Jomans civilization. So the Jomans in Japan were also building stone circles, passage chamber reactors and pyramids in Japan. You saw the episode on the Kuramata Pyramid.

• 25:27Jesse Michels?

  I did.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  Which is, is a legitimate archaeologically documented manmade pyramid that has internal red granite reaction chambers. They GPR scanned it. They did some excavations at the site. 100% documented, it is a legitimate pyramid. And the Japanese Jomans trace back to around 30,000 BCE. So they lived during the ice age, survived the ice age. And then around 10,000 BCE, they started building stone circles and similar structures to what we see all over England, all over Japan, implementing the same technology, stone circles, passage chamber reactors and lightning powered, lightning and telluric current powered chemical reactor pyramids.

• 26:11Jesse Michels?

  So you almost believe that you have like, almost a global pattern of these ancient megalithic sites.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 26:19Jesse Michels?

  And a lot of them are not only functional, but you can see the development from stone circles, for example, to pyramids.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:28Jesse Michels?

  As far as their ability to kind of harness the earth's resources.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Correct. So the, the same power source, for example, for telluric, for stone circles, starts with telluric currents to develop positive charges on the surface of the earth.

• 26:43Jesse Michels?

  What is, just if you break down as many of these things as possible?

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Telluric currents are just electrical currents that move through the crust of the earth.

• 26:51Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. Okay.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:53Jesse Michels?

  And so a stone, what does a stone circle do with the telluric current?

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Right. So this also connects to subterranean natural resources like underground springs and these metal ore mineral deposits. So stone circles all over the planet are built on top of underground springs. Same thing is true of the pyramids on the Giza Plateau. And all the structures in Egypt are built on top of subterranean water deposits. This is not pure water. This is mineral rich spring water, which is very electrically conductive. So these telluric currents in the crust of the earth flow and accumulate more prolifically in areas where there's the subterranean mineral water. These stone circles are built right on top of these subterranean mineral rich spring water sources,

• 27:40Speaker 01

  which facilitate the accumulation and flow of telluric currents into the site.

• 27:46Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, okay.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  To work accumulating telluric currents within the stone circle system itself. This process develops a positive electrical charge on the surface of the earth. This was documented using electrostatic volt meters by guys like John Burke in his book Seed of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty, where he came to the same conclusion about this positive charge on the surface of the earth within stone circles. His proposal is that it was for seed generation. They put seeds within these systems and the forces, the electric field and magnetic forces within these systems were used to manipulate seed DNA. And that lightning was an unintended consequence of this positive field buildup. My hypothesis is the exact opposite,

• 28:32Speaker 01

  where the positive charge accumulation on the surface of the earth, due to a phenomenon known as dielectric polarization, right? So stones are not electrically conductive. They're dielectric materials with the capacity for storing an electric field. And dielectric polarization happens in the direction of the current flow. So if the current is flowing up through these subterranean springs, the vector of the electric current flow is going up. So dielectric polarization happens in the direction of the current flow, negative at the bottom, positive at the top. So we're developing a positive charge on the surface of the earth. Again, documented using electrostatic volt meters by John Burke. So this positive surface charge. Creates a

• 29:16Jesse Michels?

  Have you verified that? Have you gone to these sites?

• 29:18Speaker 01

  No, no, I haven't. We have used, um, uh, we haven't brought electrostatic volt meters, but we have used magnetometers pretty prolifically at these sites, which is also, so for example, the stones on Oshido Ishi Hill, this huge hill in Japan has a configuration of andesite stones at the top of this hill. And these andesite stones have a profound magnetic field resonating from the stone due to the magnetite content. So there is a huge magnetic field that emanates from these stones. And it's been corroborated by the researchers at Kumamoto University that have investigated the stones of Oshido Ishi Hill, who actually witnessed these things being struck by lightning on multiple occasions. And I have a picture of this thing if you want to see it in just a second.

• 30:04Jesse Michels?

  And would, would like, just for the audiences, kind of, you know, basic understanding of this, you mentioned that you got married at Stonehenge. Would that be?

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Engaged, yeah.

• 30:12Jesse Michels?

  Engaged, sorry, at Stonehenge. Would, would that be an example of this?

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yes, correct.

• 30:17Jesse Michels?

  It would.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  It also goes into the composition of the altar stone of Stonehenge using mica.

• 30:24Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Right? So the saracen stones are high silica content sandstone. Then you have blue stones, which come from Wales. And then you have the altar stone of Stonehenge, which was the lightning rod, the obelisk, the standing stone and men here all over the planet operate as lightning rods.

• 30:42Jesse Michels?

  Okay, whoa.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  The earliest, the earliest implementation of obelisk technology.

• 30:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  So everything in Egypt is essentially the apex pinnacle execution of ancient stone technology.

• 30:53Jesse Michels?

  So cool. Okay. So let me just repeat this back to you. So I make sure that I, that I understand this.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:58Jesse Michels?

  You have these sort of proto megalithic structures, pre pyramids, that are things like stone circles, for example.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 31:06Jesse Michels?

  And they seem to be mineral rich. And often that is concurrent with, uh, mineral rich water, spring water.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Below the site.

• 31:14Jesse Michels?

  Below the site. And then you have, you know, rocks that are often mineral rich as well. And you can use electrostatic volt meters to pick up high electric currents. You can also use magnetometers to pick up high, you know, magnetic activity at these sites.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:30Jesse Michels?

  And so they serve as sort of lightning rods occasionally because of this.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, the obelisk, so a lot of the

• 31:37Jesse Michels?

  Cause the accumulation of positive charges.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, even at the top of a obelisk.

• 31:42Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  A standing stone or men here.

• 31:44Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  The Egyptian obelisk being the apex execution of the same technology. You're going to get a positive charge accumulation at the top of that stone.

• 31:52Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  It's just a target.

• 31:54Jesse Michels?

  So what is that?

• 31:54Speaker 01

  For negatively charged cloud to ground lightning.

• 31:57Jesse Michels?

  So I'm an ancient human. What does that get me? What, what, why, why would I?

• 32:00Speaker 01

  So let me shout out to Hugh Newman, because I wasn't familiar with the work of John Burke until I met with Hugh Newman. It was like two years ago that I did the interview with Hugh and he recommended this book. And I read it on one of our trips to Japan and I'm looking through it. I was like, holy shit, he's talking about all the same things that I documented. And he's talking about lightning, although it was an unintended consequence. And it was just kind of validation of the, the original concept that I had produced regarding this positive charge accumulation. So why did they want lightning to strike in certain areas? Atmospheric nitrate fertilizers.

• 32:33Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  So when lightning strikes, it creates a chemical reaction in the atmosphere that generates atmospheric nitrates. It breaks down the nitrogen molecules, allowing it to more readily react with oxygen. And those water soluble atmospheric nitrates are brought down in the rain.

• 32:51Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  For fertilization.

• 32:53Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  It allowed them to reestablish agricultural areas all over Europe, all over Japan, by using these stone circles that basically cover the entire area. They built them everywhere. Stone circles are all over Europe.

• 33:07Jesse Michels?

  This is, this is

• 33:08Speaker 01

  They're a ubiquitous feature.

• 33:09Jesse Michels?

  It's remarkable. It's like literally using the earth and its own natural power to

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Terraforming.

• 33:14Jesse Michels?

  For terraforming.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Agricultural terraforming.

• 33:16Jesse Michels?

  That's incredible. Why does, uh, you know, accumulation of positive charges at the earth's surface attract lightning?

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So night, lightning, cloud to ground lightning is negatively charged.

• 33:26Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  So that's what happens during a thunderstorm is you'll get a buildup of negative charges in the atmosphere and in the cloud. You get a positive buildup of charges on the surface. And lightning is going to seek the shortest path to ground, given this positive charge accumulation that balances out those two opposite charges. It's an electrostatic discharge. Lightning is a giant electrostatic phenomenon.

• 33:47Jesse Michels?

  You're, you're making my mind go to all these crazy places. There's this thing called the Baltic Sea anomaly.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:53Jesse Michels?

  And you know about this?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, of course.

• 33:54Jesse Michels?

  So I went and visited and it's in the middle of the Baltic Sea. And it seems like it's like breathing, like water is being sucked in and out of it. There, it seems like there's like a staircase at one point. A lot of like right angle kind of turns on it, long, straight lines. Uh, according to Dennis Asperg, this Ocean X explorer, who's a buddy of mine, uh, it's not attached to the seafloor. So it seems like this artificial structure. And there's all this anomalous electromagnetic activity around it. And I believe lightning even struck it or struck next to it or something.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:27Jesse Michels?

  So maybe that was due to the accumulation of positive charges. And maybe it was one of these ancient terraforming sites for all we know.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  So there was actually a paper, um, and a research project by the University of St. Andrews, where they did a geophysical analysis of a stone circle called the Kalanish or Kalanase Stone Circle, where they took out geomagnetic sensing equipment. And they found the magnetic signature at the center of the stone circle of lightning strikes. They describe it as repeated lightning strikes over a long period of time on the center of this stone circle. So there is academic substantiation in peer reviewed research papers. They don't say why, all they say is, hey, there's this big magnetic signature at the center of the stone circle for some sort of ancient ritual.

• 35:11Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  So there is academic substantiation for this hypothesis. But I've also addressed the why, not just the fact that it occurred.

• 35:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. I mean, and then if that in turn produces atmospheric nitrates that allows for agriculture.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:24Jesse Michels?

  That's amazing.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Well, there's a variety of other applications as well. So during

• 35:28Jesse Michels?

  How would these people, ancient people, we think of this narrative of primitive to progress.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:33Jesse Michels?

  And this idea that, you know, the enlightenment is only a last four or 500 years sort of phenomena. How would people in, what are you, what are you talking about? Pre 10,000 B.C. in certain cases.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  People.

• 35:45Jesse Michels?

  Neolithic.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Neolithic hunter gatherers, right?

• 35:47Jesse Michels?

  How would they know how to essentially harness?

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Great question.

• 35:51Jesse Michels?

  The earth to create ag, I mean, we think of them as completely primitive.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. So a civilization that is a hunter gatherer civilization doesn't necessarily imply primitive. I would say that they were actually more connected with the earth than we are today, which in, I would say that's a more civilized way to live.

• 36:11Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  I think they had a more profound understanding of the forces at work within nature and here on the planet than we do today. So again, kind of going to the conversation of Cartersheb scale and the utilization of earth's electricity and natural resources. Today, we do not use earth's electricity. We manufacture electricity. Hydroelectric dams, we're using water to spin a, you know, um, a magnet around to create electricity. Nuclear power. Nuclear power is just a fancy way to boil water.

• 36:41Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Right? That's all it is. Right? So we're creating electricity. We're not harnessing earth's electricity. This ancient civilization, I think, is actually more adept at utilizing the natural electricity from the earth to create chemical commodities or other agricultural related products. So how did they discover this technology? So from a neolithic hunter gatherer perspective, you're watching the sky. Clearly they were studying the sky and atmospheric phenomenon. They had a really in-depth knowledge of the solar system, alignments of planets. They were encoding that into structures like New Grange and Avebury, which are lunar and tidal trackers. It also tracks conjunctions between the sun, the moon and the planet Venus.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  So advanced astrology encoded in all these monuments around the world. They were watching the sky. They would have paid attention to phenomenon like lightning strikes. The most powerful atmospheric event that a neolithic person could possibly witness. And there's a lot of mythology that connects lightning strikes to deities around the planet. So Susano Baal is the Middle Eastern lightning and fertilizer god. Susano is the Japanese lightning and fertilizer god. There's lightning and fertilizer gods, Kukulkan and Ketsoko Waddle, also connected to lightning, rain and fertilizer. So it's encoded in mythology all around the world that these ancient civilizations were paying attention to this phenomenon and connecting it to agriculture. I love talking about Japan because I have a person, personal affinity for some reason

• 38:08Speaker 01

  in connection to this Jomene civilization, which the Jomene are not Asiatic people. The indigenous population of Japan, the Jomene, the, the later, um, lineage of the Jomene is a, is a group known as the Ainu. And the Ainu and the Jomene are not Asiatic people. The, the Asian influence in Japan comes from a civilization known as the Yaoi, which are immigrants from China and Korea that come into Japan later at the end of the Jomene period. So they're non Asiatic people that were inhabiting Japan, studying these phenomenon. And they did this exact same thing at a site called Komakino, where it's a tough hillside. There's a volcanic tough material all over Japan.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  And they leveled off the side of this mountain to create a flat plateau at the top of the mountain. They leveled it and they created a andesite stone circle. The same magnetic phenomenon that were discovered by the research team at the Kalanase Stone Circle, the same magnetic phenomenon at the Oshido Ishi Hill is also at Komakino, which is indication of lightning strikes. This powerful electric discharge causes permanent magnetization of the magnetite within the andesite stones. So it's remnant magnetization from lightning strikes that create these magnetic field anomalous anomalies at these stone circle sites.

• 39:28Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  So they replicate it simply by studying and learning from the forces of nature.

• 39:33Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, trial and error.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Trial and error. Let's build it over here. All of a sudden, the spring water below this Komakino site, and there's a river that runs right below the thing that's connected to subterranean springs. The tough hillside is also permeated with all sorts of minerals too, which is directly connected. There is an inseparable connection between the location of Tolaric currents, these subterranean natural resources and lightning strike locations. And I'm sure you saw in many of my presentations, I presented several research papers that corroborate this statement. So anytime you build these things, these positive charges are going to start to accumulate. All of a sudden you get that lightning, lightning discharge, the rain,

• 40:16Speaker 01

  the atmospheric nitrate fertilizers and voila, we now have the birth of stone circle and obelisk standing stones, atmospheric nitrate fertilizer technology. And it's being built all over the planet. There's stone circles all over the planet.

• 40:32Jesse Michels?

  And you even make the connection in some of your videos as to why what seem to be UFOs show up around some of these sites.

• 40:42Jesse Michels?

  As you guys know, I'm often doing shows that run three or four, sometimes even five hours. People see the finished conversation, but the real work is what comes before it. Weeks of reading and research, and then I've got to actually sustain that level of attention and detail in the room, live for hours. Sometimes I'm kind of groggy and I've flown halfway around the world for a single sit down. Obviously, I think that everything I cover needs to be handled really thoroughly. And with the utmost respect, I have to show up at my best for my guests. And for me, coffee just doesn't do that job. Too much caffeine and I'm absolutely buzzing through the first hour and I'm crashing in the second. And that's the exact opposite of what I need. So here's what I've been using lately as a substitute.

• 41:25Jesse Michels?

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• 42:10Jesse Michels?

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• 42:40Jesse Michels?

  And you even make the connection in some of your videos as to why what seem to be UFOs show up around some of these sites. In fact, there's a specific case in Japan.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  There is a phenomenon that occurs at Pyramid Coramata that's been shown in ancient paintings of these glowing balls, these erratic glowing ball formations that come in and out of the mountain. And there's an old painting, Japanese painting, that shows this glowing ball UFO phenomenon. And people report UFO sightings, mainly these glowing orbs directly connected to Pyramid Coramata. It's one of the most mysterious sites in northern Japan.

• 43:18Jesse Michels?

  So interesting. And so this would be ball lightning phenomenon, essentially.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 43:23Jesse Michels?

  Just like lightning is attracted to the positive charge buildup.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:27Jesse Michels?

  So would ball lightning.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's, that was my interpretation of it. As soon as I started to hear that, I'm familiar with ball lightning. It's directly connected to thunderstorms.

• 43:34Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  And there's also gas coming from below this pyramid. So there's a fantastic story in this book. So during the archaeological excavations, there's a thunderstorm rolling in. They're doing excavations on the top of the structure and they crack into the slab at the top of the pyramid, the red granite slab at the top of the pyramid. They crack into it. They're working during a thunderstorm, starting to rain, pour lightning and all this stuff. So they have to call it a day. So they start walking away and come down the mountain. They look back up and all of a sudden there's flames shooting out of the top of the mountain. And he describes it as blue flame that gradually started changing color, like red, orange, yellow, green, blue flames shooting out of the top of the mountain.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  So this is a direct result of the subterranean geothermal sulfur deposits that are directly below that mountain. So sulfurous geothermal activity is prevalent all over Aki To, Japan. They call them hot spring onsen, these hot springs, they're sulfur hot springs. And they produce sulfurous gas, which when you burn sulfur gas, it actually burns with a blue flame and can change red, green, yellow, depending on impurities and the temperature of the flame. So they cracked into the chamber that was containing this gas for who knows how many thousands of years. They released all the pressure, all this pressurized gas starts shooting out of the top of the mountain. It gets ignited by a lightning strike and all of a sudden there's blue flames shooting out of the top of the mountain.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  So it's a crazy story. This is one of the most fascinating books that I've ever read. And it's a legitimate archaeological project.

• 45:09Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  So going back to the ball lightning phenomenon, there is a mythological character in Japanese folklore known as the Raizu, which is a thunder beast that becomes activated during thunderstorms. It's a shape shifting plasma phenomenon that can change into these different formations. It's known for all this erratic behavior, smelling like sulfur. There's an interesting connection between the smell of sulfur and ammonia directly related to UFO phenomenon and ball lightning phenomenon.

• 45:41Jesse Michels?

  Well, that's extremely common. So there's this case that's like, it's been kind of slowly breaking over the last 30 years, but it's this case in Virginia in 1996 in Brazil.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:52Jesse Michels?

  And it literally like, you go to this town in Brazil, there is a statue commemorating this UFO encounter because everyone in this city, I think it's 136,000 population.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, they all saw it.

• 46:05Jesse Michels?

  A lot of people saw it, like, like James Fox, this amazing documentarian who's made this movie called Moment of Contact. He's made a follow-up that's just got released. He himself has probably around 20, 15 to 20 witnesses on record.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:21Jesse Michels?

  And some, a lot of them have seen the beings. And if you go to the hospital, like, yeah, this is where we did surgery on the ET beam. Like it is just like, and all of them say that the beings smelled like sulfur and ammonia outside of the neurosurgeon. And I think there's some bizarre theory as to why, like, the being loses the ammonia and sulfur smell or something through. But the, most of the people, like Carlos de Souza is this one guy who saw this crash occur.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:51Jesse Michels?

  And he was like, the ammonia sulfur smell, it was impossible to ignore. These three girls saw the being as well, crouched over and kind of injured.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:59Jesse Michels?

  Also ammonia sulfur. So strange.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  So there's a direct connection between hydrogen sulfide gas and subterranean sulfurous gas deposits that connect Pyramid Coramata and this geothermal activity. The whole valley next to Pyramid Coramata is all sulfur hot spring onsen. And even Suzuki in the book mentions that there's mineral-rich spring water that pops up at the bottom of the mountains. We have all the factors to make this chemical reactor work. And it has an interior red granite chamber. They also detected large magnetic fields when they were doing the GPR scanning. So they think that there's this circular magnetic object of some sort embedded in the chamber.

• 47:44Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 47:45Speaker 01

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• 47:49Jesse Michels?

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• 48:20Jesse Michels?

  If you're saying ball lightning shows up when you have these positive charge buildups, just like lightning shows up.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:27Jesse Michels?

  That makes total sense to me. And it kind of in some ways is a rational, you know, explanation for people seeing UFOs, which aren't UFOs, just ball lightning.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Ball lightning, yeah.

• 48:35Jesse Michels?

  But then you have these weird cases, the UFO cases where it's, you have this sulfur and ammonia smell. Is there, do you have any theory about that? Or is that just like a weird aside?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  So again, you know, ball lightning and this sort of lightning powered chemical reactor system kind of go hand in hand.

• 48:51Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Plasma ball lightning is a kind of a misunderstood phenomenon. It may possibly involve gas. It may involve, you know, silica dust that's whipped up into the atmosphere during lightning strikes. They're not a hundred percent sure what causes it, but there's definitely a connection between the smell associated of ball lightning, always smelling like sulfur. When it comes to the ammonia, again, I don't really get into this in my work because I'm, I, I think that these were built by humans.

• 49:21Jesse Michels?

  Sure.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  To create, again, chemical commodities, specifically ammonia for a variety of applications. First agriculture, you can also use it for leach mining of things like copper. And you can use it for processing of crude oil for making things like bitumen, which was super important in the shipbuilding industry. We know that ancient maritime technology, building ships was a huge industry. So they had to have processed bitumen that was free of acidic compounds. A great way to neutralize the acidic compounds from bitumen and crude oil is to use ammonia.

• 49:57Jesse Michels?

  But was this being done, you know, 9,000, 10,000 B.C. like that early or?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  So again, there's, there's not necessarily conventional timeline or archaeological.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Framework that agrees with this.

• 50:10Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  That's just my hypothesis based on the production of these chemicals and their applications that would be connected to an ancient civilization that inhabited the planet during that timeframe.

• 50:22Jesse Michels?

  So I guess one question I'd have for you is like, you have Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock, guys like that, thinking that if there was some ancient cataclysm, ala the Younger Dryas impact.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:35Jesse Michels?

  And you have meltwater pulse one B. So you have like basically, in their opinion, comet from a torrid meteor stream, you know, an airburst, basically causing the Ice Age and getting us out of the Ice Age.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:49Jesse Michels?

  And flooding on either side. And they, in their mind, you know, any sort of anti-Diluvian civilization pre-Ice Age would basically be entirely wiped out. And it could have been way more advanced than we realized. Are you in that camp or are you not?

• 51:03Speaker 01

  I think the survivors of said cataclysm are the people that implemented these structures.

• 51:08Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:09Jesse Michels?

  So you think there was.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Preferably, preferable Noah's Ark, right? The survivors of the Great Flood. They had to get away from point A to point B in ships. That would have been the only way to escape this cataclysm. And I think the survivors are the ones that took the knowledge from the pre-existing civilization and began to implement that technology in stone circles, passage chamber reactors. And again, it gradually evolved into the Egyptian pyramids in an attempt to rebuild civilization after that cataclysm.

• 51:37Jesse Michels?

  This is fascinating.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  So let me go back to the ammonia real quick.

• 51:40Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, please.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  So we don't get on a tangent.

• 51:41Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, please.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  But ammonia, ammonia is also a rocket fuel.

• 51:44Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Like the X-15 ammonia rocket that we have today is a rocket powered plane.

• 51:48Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  We're just now starting to use ammonia in all of these alternative fuel sources as rocket fuels.

• 51:54Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  So a lot of people have been like, oh, it's not agriculture, dude. It's, it's aliens and they're making rocket fuel from the ammonia from the red pyramid.

• 52:01Jesse Michels?

  That's funny.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  So there's, there's kind of, um, my work is certainly UFO topic adjacent.

• 52:06Jesse Michels?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Specifically, when it comes to like the story of the Anunnaki, they were coming here to mine gold and precious metals. All of the chemicals and specifically the acidic compounds that were being manufactured on the Giza Plateau are directly applicable to mining applications, specifically gold. And so for example, you can't process gold unless you have either liquid mercury is one way to do it, which has been found under the Temple of the Feathered Serpent at the Teotihuacan complex. And my hypothesis for the function of Teotihuacan is that it is a gold and silver ore processing plant.

• 52:44Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Utilizing liquid mercury.

• 52:46Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they were converting the cinnabar ore into liquid mercury using the heat from lightning strikes, which goes back to MICA. MICA is an electrical and thermal insulator. Then there's layers of MICA found inside these pyramid structures. So they're insulating both the electric fields and the heat from the lightning strikes and encapsulating it in the tunnels below the structure that were loaded with mercury cinnabar ore to extract liquid mercury. Same thing with MICA being implemented in the altar stone of Stonehenge. So my work also addresses construction materials.

• 53:19Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Right? And all of these construction materials have very specific applications. And if you learn to look at the properties of the construction materials, it will reveal inevitably the function of that particular component. So for example, white limestone, going back to the black, white and red. Limestone is dielectric with the capacity for storing electric fields. The specific geometry of said limestone structure being directly related to shifting the geometry of that electric field. Red granite has quartz. And a big difference between my work and the conventional hypothesis on the Great Pyramid, they talk about piezoelectric effect for generating electricity. I'm the exact opposite where the input is electricity and the output is the inverse piezoelectric effect and ultrasound.

• 54:04Jesse Michels?

  I think one question, burning question everyone has is like, how did we have electricity back then? We think of electricity as associated with Tesla and Edison and maybe Benjamin Franklin with a kite or something much, much later.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  So that's why I disagree with the output being electricity.

• 54:22Jesse Michels?

  But you're saying the input was electric.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Input, but it comes from nature.

• 54:25Jesse Michels?

  So you're, oh, I see what you're saying. So you're saying it's a natural input of electricity. So you're creating this natural kind of thunderstorm generator, you know, lightning rod.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Going back to the thunderstorm generators.

• 54:34Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  I also have a hypothesis for landscape features known as white horse hills.

• 54:38Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  And these are found all over Wiltshire, England. These clearly terraformed hills that are inscribed with a white horse. The oldest of these white horses is called the Uffington White Horse Hill.

• 54:51Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  And it's from the Neolithic period, this inscription of a horse-like feature on the side of Uffington. And there's a mound right next to the Uffington White Horse known as Saint George and the Dragon's Mound, which is the spot where Saint George slayed the dragon, right? The dragon being an esoteric symbol of lightning.

• 55:08Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  And they say that when the dragon fell from the sky and touched the ground, the plants don't grow there anymore and the dragon's blood stained the ground. And that's why there's no growth on top of this little mound. But the dragon is a mythological symbol connected to the lightning. So there's secrets in plain sight encoded in these structures in terms of the esoteric symbols.

• 55:28Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  And these white horse hills are cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators.

• 55:33Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  They also have these. So I did some measurements in the distance between the white horse hills and the Avebury Stone Circle Serpent Temple complex. It's called a serpent temple. Again, the serpent being connected to the symbol for telluric currents and lightning. The Druids referred to telluric currents and Earth's energetic pathways as dragon lines.

• 55:55Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  So again, there's a, there's an inseparable connection between telluric currents and lightning. They're, they're two sides of the same coin. So the distance between the white horse hills of Wiltshire, and there's several of them in the vicinity of the Avebury Stone Circle complex is 5,300 meters, which is exactly 3.3 miles.

• 56:14Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Interesting number. So at Teotihuacan, there's another one of these white horse hills, 5,300 meters away from the Temple of Quetzalcoatl. At Pyramid Coramontza, there's another one of these white horse hills, exactly 5,300 meters away from the pyramid itself. 2,300 meters for this step down. So my work covers a lot of different topics. And I was about to go on a huge tangent about the step down voltage transformers, which are other components of these systems that are used to reduce the voltage from the primary lightning strike to reduce the voltage of electric current being allocated into other areas of the components. So for example, Luxor and Karnak Temple. Across the river from the Karnak

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Temple is a site known as the Hachepset Mortuary Temple. The hillside surrounding the Hachepset Mortuary is another one of these white horse hills, exactly 5,300 meters away from the obelisks within the Karnak Temple. And there's a distance of 2,300 meters of this Sphinx step down voltage transformer avenue, which is a component that you, that's used to reduce the voltage being allocated into the Luxor Temple. 2,300 meters from the center Avebury into a structure known as the Sanctuary. So there's another application and an interesting phenomenon that happened during lightning strikes. You have Schumann resonance.

• 57:36Speaker 07

  So these are magnetic waves that are basically trapped between the surface of the earth and the bottom of the ionosphere. And this is because these lower frequency magnetic waves bounce off the bottom of the ionosphere. And if they do, they're what are called Schumann resonances.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Which is the same frequency as human brainwaves. You have ozone and negative ions. And these other temple structures, for example, the Sanctuary head end in Avebury and the Oyu Stone Circle complex that was also connected by a stone avenue into Pyramid Coramontza, these smaller stone circles at the head end of these avenues are designed to accumulate ozone, negative ions, and are also intended for human interaction with the Schumann resonance that occurs during the lightning strikes.

• 58:26Jesse Michels?

  Fascinating. Okay. So.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. So Stephen Burns was just on Danny Jones.

• 58:30Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  And he was talking about, again, um, he's a geophysicist.

• 58:34Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  That was talking about the connection between Schumann resonance and lightning strikes and telluric currents at these ancient sites, basically corroborating many of the things that I laid out during my presentation on Danny's show.

• 58:45Speaker 08

  These resonant energy fields that exist on Earth that are generated through lightning strikes primarily, there's like 50 every second or so around the world. Um, and they produce.

• 58:57Jesse Michels?

  Energy across the entire light spectrum, sometimes even gamma rays. So like a super bolt, it'll be so strong, it can boost gamma radiation.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  And he was saying that perhaps Schumann resonance and the generation of these same type of brain, frequency, brainwaves, perhaps is, you know, the story of like, you teach one monkey something and then all of a sudden, all the other monkeys

• 59:18Jesse Michels?

  Sure.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  learn the same thing. Perhaps Schumann resonance is what connected all of these civilizations on the planet where they all started to develop the same technology.

• 59:26Jesse Michels?

  It's possible.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Or I would say. Like a collective consciousness, consciousness based in Schumann resonance.

• 59:32Jesse Michels?

  Totally, or I'd take a step back and there is a perennial debate in physics, which you know, there's this idea of the anthropic principle, which is why is Planck's constant, you know, gravity, even the creation of, you know, H2O, the bonding of hydrogen, oxygen molecules. Why are all of these things just right to support life on Earth?

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:54Jesse Michels?

  And you, you have one camp, which is like, well, you try enough iterations and you eventually get this Goldilocks thing and it works. And then you have another camp being like, no, the earth was created, simulated, terraformed. And I think there are interesting points to go towards that camp and, and the Schumann resonance would be one of them where you could put a frog embryo in a Faraday cage. So you're cutting off the Schumann resonance. There's no electromagnetic frequency that can go into the cage.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Jesse Michels?

  And it'll grow all messed up. And then on the other side of that, if you grow a plant or something, anything like right next to a wifi router, or like a classic example is like Chernobyl, where you have like a lot of radiation. You know, that's obviously going to, you know, really mess up literally the morphology of the being. There's an amazing professor at Tufts who writes about the bioelectricity of the body. His name is Michael Levin.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Jesse Michels?

  And I think at this point, he's like conventional, he's going on like Lex Friedman and stuff and like, and he's not fringe science. And he, he works off a guy named Gary Becker, who wrote a amazing book called The Body Electric. And it's this, the idea that basically like DNA is the hardware and the software is actually the bioelectric field of the body, which is interacting at all times with the local electromagnetic field, which is the Schumann resonance. So I do think in some ways it looks like the earth is like set up. Also think about it like that, like, like natural selection, you need a certain amount of solar radiation to create this like, like a certain amount of differential selection because of random mutations that it creates.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Jesse Michels?

  But you can't have too much and you can't have too much that penetrates the magnetosphere of the earth. So you need the Van Allen belt. So you have this like Goldilocks thing going on there. You have like a lot of these things where, and you can always, it's this impossible thing to say, well, you can't definitively say we're just, you know, sheer luck. And then on the other side, you can't say we're definitely simulated, but there's, there are more points in this camp than people, you know, take seriously, at least in kind of, you know, modern academia.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's interesting you bring up the biophysics and biochemistry topic because that's another application for some of these ancient stone structures around the world. For example, there's a temple site in Japan called the Ogami Gaishi Stone Circle, which is another one of these tough hillsides. And it has a massive stone circle, like immense pillars of andesite stones. There's a big protruding obelisk standing stone at the top of the hill that has all of these pockmarks and scars from being repetitively struck by lightning and a huge magnetic field surrounding this pillar stone. One of the sides of the pillar stone is basically completely flattened on one side. And you can walk by it and it has a completely rotating magnetic field.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  It'll go 360 degrees on the compass as you move across this surface. Within the temple, there's all these protrusions and there's a hole in the side of them, like this head shaped hole inside of one of these andesite stones, profound magnetic and electric field radiating from the stone circle. So some of these sites are actually intended for human interface, for manipulation of human biophysics, biochemistry and electric and magnetic signals going on our body. And for some reason, when I'm at these sites, we always walk around barefoot at all the ancient sites. So we're walking around barefoot, you know, releasing negative ions and all this stuff and just connecting to the site directly. And for some reason I got the idea, I said, man, why don't you stick your head in that magnet hole?

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  So I was like sticking my head in this, it's exactly a head shaped hole in this huge andesite stone that has this profound magnetic field. And the magnetic field gets stronger inside of that hole for some reason. So I stick in my head in the magnet hole and we're interfacing with the site. And I was like, dude, this is part of the function of this structure is if you knew how to do the ritual correctly, you could reestablish and reorient your body's natural magnetic field if it's out of alignment or anything like that. So I think there's interface applications for some of these structures around the world. I don't think the pyramids, you are definitely not meant to go inside of the Egyptian pyramids.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  But there are other structures, for example, the temples adjacent to the Egyptian pyramids, like the Valley Temple in Giza is absolutely intended for human interface to interact with the electric fields, the magnetic fields and the ultrasound within the temple.

• 1:04:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. It's like a tuning fork for the body or something.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:21Jesse Michels?

  And you can, I mean, again, this sounds crazy, but you can turn molecular mass into frequency that normal conventional science and cymatics, normal conventional science. The idea that you, you know, you can create these literal structures with sand and vibrational plates. So the idea that acoustics have no effect on the body is also crazy, right? So to any skeptics out there, I think, you know, you should definitely remain open minded on, you know, that hypothesis being true. You really clearly explained how stone circles equal agriculture. I think a lot of people might be asking the question now, stone circles, the pyramids, two very different things. One seems like a big step function change up in, you know, advancement technologically.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:05:08Jesse Michels?

  Explain the path from stone circle to pyramids.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  So I also want to talk about another phenomenon that occurs during thunderstorms and lightning strikes was this generation of radio waves. Right? Thunderstorms and lightning generate all sorts of electromagnetic energy, specifically radio waves. And there was a paper that came out a while back that talked about the capability of the great pyramid to store and concentrate electric fields directly around the king's chamber. Fascinating paper. And the input was radio waves that were used to activate this induced electric field, this concentrated electric field inside of the structure. And it wasn't until recently, shout out the folks at Demystify Si, Shiloh and Anastasia, that actually brought up this connection to radio waves.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  I was presenting the paper and I had suggested that they should change the parameters of the experiment to use electrical current instead of radio waves. She was like, well, don't you know that, you know, like during thunderstorms and lightning strikes, profound radio signals are generated. So there's a, a direct connection between lightning strikes, radio waves, and this paper that demonstrates that the pyramids are able to concentrate electric fields. So how does all this connect to stone circle technology and the power source of the Egyptian pyramids? So we talk about telluric current accumulation from below the structure, generating a positive charge on the surface. This directly connects to, we'll talk about the great pyramid. So below the great pyramid, there are subterranean aquifers on the Giza plateau.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  We talked about that yesterday, the water table below Giza, et cetera. There's water below the structure. There's also iron ore, hydrothermal metal mineral deposits embedded in the limestone bedrock of the Giza plateau, which are also directly connected to sites for telluric current accumulation. So you have these iron veins that actually emanate from the core bedrock below the great pyramid, also in the core bedrock of the central pyramid. So the pyramids are built on a mound of bedrock. So these iron veins facilitate the uptake of telluric currents into the great pyramid.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  The same phenomenon applies with dielectric polarization and electric field accumulation that generates a positive charge at the surface of, at the top of the great pyramid. This was also experimentally shown in the same paper when the vector of transmission from below created a substantial positive electric field accumulation at the top of the great pyramid. A target for negatively charged cloud to ground lightning strikes, which activated the chemical manufacturing sequence inside of the structure to produce sulfuric acid. The product of the great pyramid is sulfuric acid. And the strongest evidence that we have for this actually comes from Christopher Dunn's book,

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  where there was a sample analysis taken in the 1970s by Richard Flanagan. I believe it was the university of either New Mexico or Nevada, took samples from inside of the queen's chamber and grand gallery. And they found that the salt accumulation that was up to an inch thick was calcium sulfate. They also found big patches of gypsum, which is also a calcium sulfate based plaster. Calcium sulfate is a direct result of the chemical reaction between dilute sulfuric acid and calcium carbonate limestone. And by allowing that reaction to occur, you are creating a chemically insoluble salt layer sealer.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  So the chemical reaction itself creates a chemically resistant coating compound within the queen's chamber that protected the limestone chambers from the reaction because calcium sulfate is insoluble in dilute sulfuric acid.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  If it was hydrochloric acid, as Christopher Dunn proposes, there would have been calcium chloride because of the reaction between hydrogen chloride and calcium carbonate would have created calcium chloride salt.

• 1:09:13Jesse Michels?

  But let's back up for a second because I know we're getting way into the weeds.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  This is important though. So again, for anybody that's interested, please check out my YouTube channel.

• 1:09:21Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, if you want a brief overview, but neither one of the recent podcasts I've done are a brief overview. But the, the mountain of evidence that supports this hypothesis is just immense.

• 1:09:32Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  And I can go down any tangent or rabbit hole that you want me to.

• 1:09:36Jesse Michels?

  That's really clear. No, no, that, that's clear. I wanna, I wanna start with very high level. So like, yeah, like, so you have stone circles into pyramids.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Okay, so let's.

• 1:09:50Jesse Michels?

  I want like, I want like insight into like, how, why would you create the pyramids to begin with?

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:57Jesse Michels?

  And then your thesis specifically on how the pyramids each, because it's a really cool thesis on how each one plays a complementary role in a kind of a chain reaction or like an assembly line rather of chemical manufacturing. Chain reaction. So yeah, can you give those both high level and then I will, I will be the audience surrogate kind of querying you for more in detail.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  So I think we should do the transition because there's an intermediary step here.

• 1:10:24Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Between stone circles and then we have passage chamber reactors like Newgrange.

• 1:10:29Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  And these structures are also located all over the world.

• 1:10:32Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Tomb Eli is what they refer to these things are conventionally. You know, long passage leading into an internal reaction chamber and Newgrange specifically has a tiered vault, like a tiered upper vault inside the chamber, very reminiscent of a later implementation that we have inside the red pyramid, bent pyramid, et cetera. So within Newgrange, there is a curb stone outside of Newgrange that's inscribed with all of these perplexing symbols. And based on my interpretation of these symbols, that curb stone is actually an instruction manual. It is a rudimentary depiction of a chemical reaction sequence that's telling you exactly what was happening inside of the structure.

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  So this is the basic implementation of an encased chemical reactor system with internal chambers that's embedded in a big mound or proto pyramid type structure. And it involves a very simple chemical reaction where moist circulating airflow within the structure is oxidizing pyrite or marcasite, Fe2, um, iron disulfide, oxidizing iron disulfide to create ferrous sulfate. So it's a very simple chemical reaction. Air flows in the structure, picks up moisture from the water. That moist airflow circulating inside of the structure creates this chemical reaction. So that's the first example of internal chemical reactor technology that we have on the planet.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  You bump that up a little bit and then all of a sudden you have the Egyptian pyramids. And this is an evolution over probably a thousand years of technological development. So let's start with why they would build the Egyptian pyramids. The primary impetus for the construction of the Egyptian pyramids is harnessing the abundant natural resources in Egypt and converting them into chemical commodities. So Egypt is the primary location on the planet for the construction of these type of monuments due to the concentration of all of the factors that are integrated in the operation of these structures. We have subterranean water. We have metal ore mineral deposits. We have the ideal construction materials, the best quality limestone, granite, black basalt.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Everything that you would need is abundantly available in Egypt, starting with natural gas. Methane, which is an essential commodity even today for basic domestic applications, heating, lighting, et cetera. It's also a critical industrial chemical syn gas that is used to create other chemicals. It's a synthesis gas. So that's the dawn of pyramid building in Egypt is extracting bedrock deposits of methane gas for domestic and industrial applications. That's stage number one. Stage number two, again, there's a big evolution in technology between the function of the step pyramid, which utilizes an external reservoir.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  So all the pyramids have external reservoirs, these enclosures that surround the pyramids. Those were used to hold water that are utilized in the internal reaction chamber systems to manipulate pressure. So same thing applies to all of the pyramids. The mechanisms of operation that apply to the step pyramid apply to the red pyramid, bent pyramid, great pyramid and central pyramid. So you're using the external reservoir to manipulate the water level inside of the step pyramid to increase and decrease pressure within your fracking tunnels. It's the same way we do fracking today is by pumping high pressure water into these subterranean methane deposits. You increase and decrease the pressure, which allows the methane to bubble up and be collected out of the fracking system.

• 1:14:13Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  That's the operation of the step pyramid. We then have intermediary structures like the Pyramid of My Doom in the Fayum Oasis, which was a test structure that was designed to model and implement the same physics and chemistry as the red pyramid. There was a catastrophic collapse. They abandoned that project, then moved back to Dashur, which was the original intended destination for that chemical manufacturing plant, built the red pyramid and the bent pyramid. So there are some intermediary structures that are indicative of the evolution of technology and implementing smaller scale test structures. All of this starting on a small laboratory scale, the same way we do today.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  So for example, sulfuric acid, how would an ancient civilization figure out how to make sulfuric acid? It's the same way we did during the medieval period in the alchemical investigation of chemical reactions. You take a bunch of materials. I have a raw chunk of sulfur. I set the sulfur on fire. It burns with that blue flame and I see that there's a gas coming out of it. You design an apparatus to collect that gas in water. Then you test that water on various stuff and oh, it reacts with all these metals. Voila, sulfuric acid. You then take that sulfuric acid, you drop it on a bunch of stuff, specifically salt in this example. Huge accumulations of sodium chloride were found inside of the central pyramid, which is the initial reactant within the central pyramid to create hydrochloric acid.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  So the great pyramid was producing sulfuric acid. That sulfuric acid was utilized inside of the central pyramid, reacted with salt to create hydrochloric acid. So by rudimentary experimentation on a laboratory scale, we can get to the same industrial scale processes that we have in the Egyptian pyramids.

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• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  They were also adept at using subterranean natural resources as the initial reactants for these systems. For example, Pyramid Kuramata in Japan, building that pyramid on top of a geothermal hot spring where there's natural heat energy and sulfur gas coming up into the structure is the exact same technology that's implemented in the great pyramid that is built on top of a subterranean karst cave and tunnel system that has hydrogen sulfide gas from sulfitic groundwater. We talked a little bit about that yesterday and I showed the paper of a geological investigation of the Giza Plateau that shows hydrocarbon seepages below Giza,

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  which also corroborates my hypothesis about the step pyramid being built on a hydrocarbon deposit, methane specifically. And Giza Plateau, they specifically refer to ascending hydrogen sulfide gas, which is the exact same thing that we have at Pyramid Kuramata, being the initial reactant, hydrogen sulfide that is inevitably converted into sulfuric acid within the great pyramid. The great pyramid is sitting directly on top of a natural resource, which is the impetus for pyramid technology. Utilizing natural resources and the power source from the earth. So the natural resource optimization technology of this ancient civilization involves power from telluric currents and lightning.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Natural resources in construction materials, because the construction materials and the material composition of all these different types of stone have specific properties that are implemented into various applications within all the structures. Again, Mica, micaceous sandstone, uh, red granite, black basalt, whatever it is, all of them have specific material properties. We also have subterranean conductivity anomalies like spring water and mineral ore deposits that facilitate the uptake of telluric currents, i.e. the power source. And then finally, natural gas and metal ore mineral reserves.

• 1:18:31Jesse Michels?

  So the input for each pyramid is atmospheric electricity, it's electricity. And then the output, just high level for each pyramid is in, in each case.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Step pyramid methane.

• 1:18:43Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  Red pyramid ammonia.

• 1:18:45Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Bent pyramid, I have two hypotheses for the function of the bent pyramid. I think it was originally used to make urea.

• 1:18:52Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  And it was later modified to create dilute nitric acid.

• 1:18:55Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  So two different hypotheses for the function of the bent pyramid. We've also found coating compound within the bent pyramid that would have protected the limestone walls from the vitriolic chemical reaction. Cause you want to seal that limestone because it's going to be reactive with these chemical acidic solutions.

• 1:19:11Jesse Michels?

  So methane, ammonia, urea, nitric acid.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Nitric acid.

• 1:19:16Jesse Michels?

  Anything else?

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  And then on the great pyramids on the Giza Plateau, we have sulfuric acid within the great pyramid, hydrochloric acid within the central pyramid. And I have a developing hypothesis on the final pyramid that it was used to make a basic solution. So you have acids and bases.

• 1:19:34Jesse Michels?

  And so if you.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  You want to have a basic solution to neutralize the process.

• 1:19:38Jesse Michels?

  Sure. So you have. You know, six or seven compounds.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:42Jesse Michels?

  What are you doing with like, why are these particularly useful as far as establishing Kardashev scale one abilities and for the audience Kardashev scale is essentially any civilization's ability to harness power and it's, you know,

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  The power and natural resource of the earth.

• 1:20:03Jesse Michels?

  Power and natural resources of the earth. And then two is like, I believe interplanetary and

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:08Jesse Michels?

  Three is intergalactic and then you go up the scale.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:12Jesse Michels?

  And we're not even at one yet in modern civilization.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  We're rated as a point seven on the Kardashev scale.

• 1:20:18Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  And as I was talking about, about, you know, like hydrothermal electricity or hydroelectric dams or nuclear power, again, we're not harnessing the, the power of the earth. We're creating our own electricity, which is a different type of technology altogether. And I would say that the ancient civilization was more adept at using earth's electricity than we are today. We're not, we're not harnessing lightning. We're not using lightning in any effective way. We're certainly not using solar currents because it's such a low voltage power. It's like, it's a trickle of electricity that runs through the earth. So it's not applicable for industrial scale applications like we have today. So we're certainly not

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  using this electrical power the same way that we do today. But we have a similar style of utilizing natural resources. We extract methane today, methane mining, natural gas mining, fracking operations, all those sorts of things are definitely implemented in our technology today. So going back to why would they do this and why are these chemicals important? So a lot of people don't know that ammonia is probably one of the most important chemicals that was ever discovered and produced on an industrial scale.

• 1:21:32Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  It is the reason that we had the exponential growth of our civilization after the industrial revolution. It was absolutely critical in the production of fertilizer that allowed our civilizations to grow to levels that had never seen before. Ammonia-based fertilizer and sulfuric acid are two of the most important chemical commodities that we make on the face of the planet today. It's often said that the advanced level of a particular country is based on the amount of sulfuric acid that it produces and consumes.

• 1:22:09Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. Who says that? That's interesting.

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  That's just sort of a, a general reference to how we can look at the level of industrialization of any particular area is sulfuric acid manufacturing and consumption is one of the indicators of the industrialization of any particular

• 1:22:25Jesse Michels?

  Why is that so fundamental to the advancement?

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Everything, all, so many different chemical commodities are based on sulfuric acid. Basically,

• 1:22:34Jesse Michels?

  So it's almost a, like a proxy or a metric for just how productive the country is.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  Correct. Yeah. It's, it's one of, one of the ways that you can assess the industrialization of a country.

• 1:22:44Jesse Michels?

  But it's less of an input or a determinant of success than it is a marker of success.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But again, ammonia, so methane, for example, we still use methane today. Natural gas, our house in Japan and Egypt run on natural gas. Cars in Egypt run on natural gas. They actually don't use, you know, fuel like we do petroleum. They use natural gas. A lot of the cars in Egypt are converted into natural gas.

• 1:23:08Jesse Michels?

  That's why the US is, you know, positioned strategically because we have a lot of, you know, natural gas reserves.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's a critical, it's a critical industrial chemical commodity. Same thing with ammonia. Ammonia is absolutely huge in the agricultural industry. Again, it's one of the most important chemicals that was ever discovered and made on an industrial

• 1:23:26Jesse Michels?

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• 1:26:25Jesse Michels?

  So what do you think they were doing with these chemicals? Because we think of, we think of the pyramids as being built in like dynastic Egypt.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the environment was a lot different back then. Even during the dynastic period, there was rain.

• 1:26:40Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  And specifically during the Saharan humid period, there were monsoon rains sweeping through the Upper Eastern Sahara. They were transforming the desert into a vast area of farmland.

• 1:26:51Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  This is a legitimate phenomenon in history. It's the African humid period. So there's all this rain transforming the desert. So these fertilizers aren't necessarily related to the agricultural areas around the Nile River, because during this timeframe, we have a population exodus moving into the Upper Eastern Sahara. So these fertilizers are utilized in conjunction with White Horse Hill cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators for terraforming applications within the Upper Eastern Sahara. And I would almost guarantee that if they were to excavate in the Sahara, we would find cumulonimbus white horse hills that were excavated from bedrock formations within the Upper Eastern

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Sahara that were possibly responsible for creating the Saharan humid period.

• 1:27:39Jesse Michels?

  So you think we had weather modification technology?

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Essentially, that's what it is. And that's another indication of the Kardashev type one civilization is modification of weather.

• 1:27:49Jesse Michels?

  So then

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  And it's, it's reported in a lot of mythology around the planet, specifically the Tuad de Donin, which are the mythological gods of Ireland. They had magic, specifically the magic to control the weather. And magic in mythology specifically refers to chemistry.

• 1:28:04Jesse Michels?

  Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for magic.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:08Jesse Michels?

  For sure. But that, okay, but here, this begets a really important question, which is at some point you have to break with the conventional primitive to progress narrative. And it sounds like you're saying that anti-Diluvian pre-Ice Age, we've had civilizations on earth that were pretty advanced.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. And in a different way, completely different mindset than what we have today.

• 1:28:32Jesse Michels?

  Yes. No, totally. In a way that, and I think this is why people love the movie Avatar so much. It's because they're like living in a harmonious way with the earth.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  In direct connection with the forces of nature.

• 1:28:41Jesse Michels?

  One question this begets is, okay, let's say that there was this advanced anti-Diluvian civilization. You had a great flood. You had a lot of it get wiped out, but you did have some remnant survivors. You had some technology transfer. Let's assume all of that's true.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Jesse Michels?

  At what point does that knowledge get lost? Because today we're saying that we're kind of less advanced in certain ways.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:05Jesse Michels?

  So yeah, what point does that technology get lost?

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  So again, around, to go back to Egyptian civilization specifically, around 5300 B.C., the Saharan humid period ends.

• 1:29:17Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  The rains stop. Everything starts to dry out. Civilization moves from the Upper Eastern Sahara back to the area around the Nile River. And this is kind of the beginning of the dynastic civilization around 3500 B.C., which is the mark in conventional history and archaeology for the beginning of dynastic Egypt. Even Egyptians and Egyptologists will tell you the civilization is much older because the hallmark of the beginning of the dynastic period is known as the reunification of Upper and Lower Egypt, as indicated by the Narmor palette or the Meanies palette. So reunification of Upper and Lower Egypt implies that Upper and Lower Egypt already exist prior to dynastic Egypt.

• 1:29:59Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  And I believe it's the Palermo stone that shows that there's Egyptian civilization that dates back far before the dynastic period.

• 1:30:09Jesse Michels?

  Interesting. Okay. So, but what about the knowledge?

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I think the knowledge persisted. It was infused in the ancient esoteric mystery schools and hidden. It was no longer done on an industrial scale.

• 1:30:22Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  It was done on a small scale within these ancient mystery schools.

• 1:30:26Jesse Michels?

  Why do, why do you think it got moved into mystery schools?

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  So I never think, I don't think generally speaking, And this is just kind of my perception. I do. So the chemicals would have had industrial ubiquitous applications for the benefit of society at large. But the temples and the interface in these magnetic field temples and all of these rituals that prolong life, I don't think that was ever intended for the public.

• 1:30:51Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  I think there's, I think that there were, you know, same thing we have today, power structures at B during that time period, and only certain individuals were allowed to participate in those life prolonging rituals.

• 1:31:03Jesse Michels?

  I still, I still wonder what the shift is between, you know, industrial scale chemical power plants to like, e- even I think of like the Hellenistic period, the Greeks, the Romans, and I don't think of them as harnessing the earth's power in quite the same way or doing sort of geoengineering.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Interesting mythology about Zeus.

• 1:31:26Jesse Michels?

  Uh huh. Yeah, for sure. They do have.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  Zeus is the lightning god.

• 1:31:29Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, Poseidon or all that stuff.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. So there's, there's some certainly some mythology that connects this civilization.

• 1:31:35Jesse Michels?

  But is there evidence? Cause you have physical evidence in the case of ancient Egypt. Do you have physical evidence in the case of, you know, later stuff?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  So I haven't focused on the Greek and Roman period yet.

• 1:31:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  However, on my channel, um, you know, I have a members only channel and, um, I do these live Google Earth investigations where people have suggested to, for me to look at Roman sites. And there's the same mathematical connection of 5,300 meters and 2,300 meters encoded in Roman sites as well. And these hillsides that have the same configuration as the White Horse Hills of Wiltshire, England.

• 1:32:12Jesse Michels?

  So interesting.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  So I've, I only have, you know, so much bandwidth and everybody's like, look at this site and look at this site and look at this site.

• 1:32:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  And I only very recently started looking at Teotihuacan because that one is also encoded with esoteric alchemical information. So you have the Pyramid of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl is the lightning god, telling you exactly where the lightning was striking within the temple and what the power source is. Then you have the Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of the Moon. The Pyramid of the Sun, the sun is an alchemical symbol for gold and the moon is an alchemical symbol for silver.

• 1:32:45Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  So thus, pyramids of Teotihuacan are lightning powered, gold and silver processing facility.

• 1:32:53Jesse Michels?

  You know what I think you should?

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  South American alchemy.

• 1:32:55Jesse Michels?

  If it's South American.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Central, Central American alchemy.

• 1:32:57Jesse Michels?

  Exactly. You know what I think you should do is like create a small commune where you just literally, I'm serious about this. You create these, you know, kind of lightning rod like structures.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:33:12Jesse Michels?

  You create these chemical manufacturing plants that just harness earth energy. You place it in at a, you know, strategic site that like where that makes sense. And you kind of recreate the way these ancient people lived.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I have a dream for this project to get, you know, I'm a, I'm a self-published author.

• 1:33:30Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  And a YouTuber with, yeah, I have probably now by the time you're watching, I got 70,000 subscribers. So you can envision what, what that's like and living on that kind of budget. Um, you know, I fund all of my stuff independently and, you know, things are slowly starting to grow. And of course I have a dream for where I want this thing to go.

• 1:33:49Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  And, you know, again, we're talking about Danny blowing up in the new studio.

• 1:33:53Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  I would love to build something like that where I have a huge alchemical laboratory.

• 1:33:57Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  We're actually doing a series of experiments, um, on, on my channel and I've, I've publicly and on the members only channel, put out these experiments where I'm working with a friend from the brainstorm channel. Um, shout out Ben. So I actually got the biggest recognition that I have in my career of doing this pyramid research by a guy named Andy Hall from the Thunderbolts project.

• 1:34:16Jesse Michels?

  Cool.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  And he's an engineer that had a lifelong career building, designing, building and cooperating chemical and power plants.

• 1:34:25Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  And he wrote a huge, not a paper, but a post on his website, um, basically an article, um, espousing the virtues of my work and corroborating why they are chemical manufacturing facilities that are powered by earth's electricity. Um, he's a member of the Thunderbolts channel and the electric universe, you know, Velikovsky and all these guys.

• 1:34:44Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Their channel.

• 1:34:46Jesse Michels?

  Scott, is that?

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so that was probably the biggest accolade that I've gotten in my career was recognition by Andy through my work and, uh, the team at the Thunderbolts. I got in touch with this guy Ben, um, who's also an electrical plasma experimental contributor to the Thunderbolts project. And we've been doing all sorts of experiments to test. Uh, for example, we recently demonstrated that stones can conduct electricity over a gap, which is the premise of my hypothesis for the step down voltage transformers, that they're used to distribute lightning across these spaced avenues of stone. And we experimentally demonstrated that if you induce voltage and send electrical current into one stone, it absolutely arcs into the next stone. So we're

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  also doing chemical experiments on surface testing, uh, the generation of ultrasound from red granite. So there's a lot of developing experimental evidence that is going to inevitably support this hypothesis as well. So I've got academic research papers that support all of the step-by-step mechanisms of operation. Then we're also branching out into experimental evidence to test all of these things. Um, so it's.

• 1:36:00Jesse Michels?

  That's good.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  There's a dream, the dream of where this goes.

• 1:36:03Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. I was, I was gonna say you should do that. Cause I think that will take it out of this sort of liminal space of just hypothesizing and into, and that's exciting that you're doing. That's great.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like we were talking about with Filippo.

• 1:36:16Jesse Michels?

  I know.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  You know, I got my work cut out for me.

• 1:36:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  And I've, I've put in nine years of my life to this.

• 1:36:22Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  To get to where I am today.

• 1:36:24Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 01

  But that for me is not anywhere near where I want this to be in the future.

• 1:36:30Jesse Michels?

  What's your conviction level that you're right that the pyramids are a chemical manufacturing plant?

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  So, I mean, I'm extremely confident in this.

• 1:36:39Jesse Michels?

  What would you, if you had to put a number on it?

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  I would never say that I'm a hundred percent sure. I'm not the, so first and foremost, I would never say that I have all the answers.

• 1:36:48Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  I would never say that I understand these structures.

• 1:36:51Jesse Michels?

  Would you say above 90?

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  I'm extremely confident in it above 90%. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I would never ever say that I'm a hundred percent right. So I've always said in regard to my work, say I create this, it is an immense body of work. No one can argue with the amount of effort that I've put into this.

• 1:37:12Jesse Michels?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  And the substantiating evidence. Let's say you take a look at that whole body of work and someday long in the future, maybe after I'm, I'm dead and gone, somebody looks at this body of work and starts to break everything down. So let's say I'm only 10% right about this entire body of work. That 10% right is going to be a massive jump forward.

• 1:37:32Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  Same thing. Like I said with Beyonce, I gave him 20%. Even if that 20% is right, it's a massive leap forward into something that we never dreamed was possible.

• 1:37:41Jesse Michels?

  Totally.

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  So that's how I feel about my work and the process of creating new hypotheses.

• 1:37:48Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  It's super important that people take risks and try to come up with new interpretations for the function of these structures. If we don't continue to push the envelope forward, the conversation goes nowhere, which is why I respect Filippo and the SAR team. Cause they're trying to do something different, implementing new technology to better understand the Egyptian pyramids. I'm kind of on the other side of the coin where I'm proposing a new novel revolutionary hypothesis that not only contradicts the existing, existing narrative of tombs, but it's also quite different than Christopher Dunn's work.

• 1:38:21Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  It's actually completely different. When you look at the mechanisms of operation, how these systems operate, the mindset, the impetus, the implementation of natural resources, very, very different than Christopher Dunn's work.

• 1:38:32Jesse Michels?

  So you have fossilized lightning.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:38:35Jesse Michels?

  You obviously have ammonia in certain places, you know, in the, in the red pyramid.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:38:41Jesse Michels?

  You have like a decent amount of evidence. Can, can, can you list all of the, the evidence somewhat highlighted? I mean, it, it might take you years or whatever, but, but in, in the most digestible way.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  My favorite piece of evidence.

• 1:38:54Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  Is the calcium sulfate salt inside the Queen's chamber and Grand Gallery of the Great Pyramid, which is a direct result of this chemical reaction between dilute sulfuric acid and the calcium carbonate limestone of the chamber. And we've done multiple private tours inside of the Great Pyramid where there's these strange pockmarks inside of the Queen's chamber. So let's say this calcium sulfate failed and there was a small pocket of exposed limestone. When the chamber refills with dilute sulfuric acid, it's going to create another reaction. The salt coating is going to develop. It then stops the reaction, but it creates a little divot in the limestone.

• 1:39:32Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  So that calcium sulfate is probably my favorite piece of evidence for that chemical reaction process occurring in the Great Pyramid. And I have an interview coming up soon with Dr. Brett Cohen, who is actually featured in the appendix of Christopher Dunn's new work. He's a PhD in chemistry. He also agrees that the Great Pyramid was producing sulfuric acid, although completely different mechanisms of operation and stages of a reaction. So we have a conversation coming up soon. So we can talk about both of our mutual theories and how it differentiates from and somewhat disproves Christopher Dunn's original hypothesis. So that's probably my favorite piece of evidence. Then it comes to the chemical analysis of the iron veins on the Giza Plateau, showing that there's valuable metal deposits. So

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  iron, nickel, lead, tin, platinum, titanium, rare earth elements like neodymium, and then precious metals like gold and silver are all present in the chemical analysis data of these iron veins. And we can actually, I know you were super interested and I want to show you some images. So you want to take a look at that?

• 1:40:37Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  So um, yeah, yeah. This is the paper, "The Development of Sulfuric Acid Spellegene Genetic Deposits Within Cavernous Middle Eocene Beds: An Inference on Hydrocarbon Gas Seepages, Giza Pyramids Plateau, Egypt." So it's a geological investigation of the Giza Plateau, showing that there's hydrocarbon seepages below the pyramids. Specifically referenced in this paper, hydrogen sulfide gas that's coming up from the natural karst cave and tunnel system below Giza. So seafloor hydrothermal vents, we showed this slide yesterday in the conversation with Beyond D. Basically, the Giza Plateau was the bottom of the Tethys Sea.

• 1:41:16Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  Millions of years ago, the bedrock foundation of Giza was being formed at the bottom of the Tethys Sea.

• 1:41:24Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:41:25Speaker 01

  That's why the limestone of Giza is embedded with shells.

• 1:41:28Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:41:29Speaker 01

  Covered in shells, you can't walk anywhere on Giza without finding shells.

• 1:41:32Jesse Michels?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  It's numolytic limestone. We've also found all sorts of aquatic fossils embedded in the Giza bedrock. It's very, it's crazy, it's the bottom of the seafloor.

• 1:41:41Jesse Michels?

  So there were-

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  Millions of years ago.

• 1:41:43Jesse Michels?

  There were hydro-

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  Way before.

• 1:41:44Jesse Michels?

  There were hydrothermal vents-

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:41:46Jesse Michels?

  Going from the earth's core or-

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  So my hypothesis-

• 1:41:49Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  This has never been really talked about. The only other person that I know has even recognized these formations is Robert Shock.

• 1:41:57Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  So Robert Shock thinks that it's a combination of two things. He proposes the idea of lightning and in conjunction with hydrothermal mineral vents.

• 1:42:08Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  But he thinks that the Giza Plateau was hit by a solar flare.

• 1:42:12Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  And the solar flare created um, Lichtenberg patterns.

• 1:42:18Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  So you're, are you familiar with what a Lichtenberg pattern is?

• 1:42:22Jesse Michels?

  Mm-mm.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  So it's a branch-like formation, it looks like a tree.

• 1:42:25Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  That happens when a dielectric material is subjected to extremely high voltage. So for example, if you take a piece of wood and you stick a high voltage current into that piece of wood, the voltage of the electric current is going to spread through that dielectric wood material and burn these branch-like Lichtenberg patterns.

• 1:42:49Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:49Speaker 01

  So that's what he thinks they are.

• 1:42:51Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  We have chemical analysis data showing that they aren't necessarily Lichtenberg figures, but they operate due to the same principles of a Lichtenberg figure. They're natural hydrothermal metal or mineral deposits, but they work in the same way as the formation of a Lichtenberg figure, which is the transmission of high voltage electric current through the dielectric material.

• 1:43:18Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  So they're wires.

• 1:43:20Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. Whoa.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  A natural wiring system that connects all of the components on the Giza Plateau.

• 1:43:26Jesse Michels?

  You're almost implying that they're, the inputs are coming from below and from above? Like you have like lightning essentially?

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:43:34Jesse Michels?

  And then you also have hydrothermal vents?

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:43:37Jesse Michels?

  Interesting.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the hydrothermal ancient seafloor formations created these metal mineral deposits that are embedded within the limestone bedrock of the Giza Plateau. This is why Giza was selected. It was the prime location that had all of the natural resources that were utilized for this chemical manufacturing and metallurgical mining operation.

• 1:44:01Jesse Michels?

  This just feels so much more advanced than the stone circles. It's like-

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 1:44:06Jesse Michels?

  It's real, it's wild.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's the same premise.

• 1:44:08Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  Telluric currents coming from below.

• 1:44:11Jesse Michels?

  But it makes-

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Directly connected to natural resources like subterranean spring water and metal ore mineral deposits. Those telluric current accumulations at the site being the prime location for lightning strikes.

• 1:44:23Jesse Michels?

  It makes me sympathetic.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  It's the same mechanism of operation.

• 1:44:26Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  Which is, I think, a critical part of my hypothesis is that it's able to connect technology from different eras of this ancient civilization under the same umbrella. All of the mechanisms that apply to stone circles can also be extrapolated into the function of the pyramids.

• 1:44:42Jesse Michels?

  It does feel like a technological great leap forward.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it's that, well, it's thousands of years too.

• 1:44:46Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Thousands of years.

• 1:44:48Jesse Michels?

  But is there uh, is there-

• 1:44:49Speaker 01

  I always make the example.

• 1:44:51Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  So from the 1500s to 2025.

• 1:44:54Jesse Michels?

  Sure.

• 1:44:54Speaker 01

  2026 now, look how far we've come.

• 1:44:57Jesse Michels?

  Absolutely.

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  In, in 600, 500 years.

• 1:44:59Jesse Michels?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Massive leap.

• 1:45:01Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  In 500 years.

• 1:45:02Jesse Michels?

  We were, we were shooting muskets 150 years ago.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  Right? So imagine, again, the same intellectual capabilities of human civilization, what they could do in a thousand years.

• 1:45:11Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  Look where we're going to be in a thousand years. Hopefully, we're still here, right?

• 1:45:14Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  But, you know, for me, that advancement is certainly possible, given that timeframe of human civilization existing.

• 1:45:24Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  Not to mention, if you go back to a civilization that possibly existed before the last Ice Age, they already had the knowledge.

• 1:45:32Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:32Speaker 01

  But they started building the simplest stuff because it was the easiest to build and it was the most critical. What's the first thing you need? Food.

• 1:45:40Jesse Michels?

  Of course.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  If everything is frozen, at the end of the last Ice Age, we also got to thaw all this stuff out.

• 1:45:48Jesse Michels?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  Well, what's a better way to do that and then inject some lightning into the ground?

• 1:45:51Jesse Michels?

  Mm-hmm. Sure.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  Thaw out all the agricultural areas.

• 1:45:54Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:54Speaker 01

  We're going to get some rain flowing, we're going to reinvigorate the earth. Electro culture-

• 1:45:58Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  Is another application for this electric current.

• 1:46:01Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. You know, electro culture is an established practice-

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  100%.

• 1:46:05Jesse Michels?

  When it comes to growing-

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:06Jesse Michels?

  Plants and that sort of thing.

• 1:46:07Speaker 01

  So again, lightning stimulating telluric currents brings telluric current energy, much lower voltage, electric current to these agricultural areas. It's stimulating electro culture.

• 1:46:19Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  By bringing, bringing lightning back to the earth.

• 1:46:21Jesse Michels?

  It's so fascinating. It's still, it makes me somewhat sympathetic to the ancient alien crowd, which despite my, you know, the theme of my show, I, I, I'm not always sympathetic with. Like I often, I don't know where I stand between Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson and the idea that like you have hydrothermal vents creating a natural wiring system coming from, you know, essentially below the earth on the seafloor. And then you also have the ability to harness, you know, electricity from the atmosphere, I think is, is really remarkable when you're talking about-

• 1:46:57Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 1:46:57Jesse Michels?

  It's awesome. It's amazing.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:59Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, and then it does, it does, you know, um, like the question, were we intervened with at all? And why was this knowledge lost and-

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  So I want to go back to something real quick.

• 1:47:11Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  In regard to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, I definitely didn't want to disparage them in any way when I, I wasn't incorporating them in the lost ancient high technology community. I have the utmost respect for Graham and Randall.

• 1:47:23Jesse Michels?

  You made that clear, I don't take that.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  Randall and I are brothers from another mother.

• 1:47:27Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:27Speaker 01

  And I would love for Randall to hear about this.

• 1:47:31Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  How have they not heard about this yet? I have no good explanation for that.

• 1:47:36Jesse Michels?

  Well, you're-

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  And why isn't anyone acknowledging it? I don't have a good explanation for that. So anyone that could get me in contact with them, I have people that know them that-

• 1:47:45Jesse Michels?

  I invited Randall to our discussion yesterday, actually. So, yeah, no, I-

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  So I don't, I just, I don't know how they haven't gotten word of this yet.

• 1:47:53Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  But I would love for them to be introduced to this topic, just so that I could have more eyes on it.

• 1:48:00Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:01Speaker 01

  Right? I appreciate people that are extremely qualified, that want to analyze my work, which is why I'm engaging with this PhD chemist, I'm engaging with electrical engineers.

• 1:48:10Jesse Michels?

  Amazing.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  People from the petroleum industry have all contacted me and say, hey, this is, you're on the right track. Whatever you're doing here checks a lot of boxes in terms of the applications of the ancient-

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• 1:48:48Jesse Michels?

  Technology. So we've talked about, you know, the chemicals that these different pyramids are producing, the chain reaction.

• 1:48:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:55Jesse Michels?

  You know, I think everybody can take it face value that the chemicals themselves are useful in the cases of agriculture, metallurgy, mining.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:03Jesse Michels?

  Do you have um, good evidence that ancient Egypt was engaging in those three things? Agriculture, metallurgy, and mining?

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  So you mentioned another um, good compelling pieces of evidence that this was happening on the Giza Plateau.

• 1:49:19Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  So we also have chemical analysis data from various samples of areas in the boat pits. Are you familiar with what the boat pits are?

• 1:49:28Jesse Michels?

  No.

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  So let me show you on the diagram.

• 1:49:30Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:31Speaker 01

  Um, so we have chemical analysis data from inside of the boat pits.

• 1:49:33Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:49:35Speaker 01

  We also have control samples that were taken from other areas of the Giza Plateau that show that's what's found in the boat pits are unique phenomenon into the boat pits. So inside the boat pits adjacent to the Great Pyramid, we find more sulfate compounds. In the boat pits adjacent to the central pyramid, we find chloride compounds, which is a direct indication and connection to sulfuric acid production inside the Great Pyramid, because those boat pits are used as circuit breakers.

• 1:50:07Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. Whoa.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Wild. So I'm not, let's, let's jump, because I'll blow your mind here and I don't know how long we've been going, but um, so tin, nickel, lead, platinum. This is a sample that has 35% platinum.

• 1:50:20Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  From these iron veins.

• 1:50:22Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  Here we have prazodium and neodymium.

• 1:50:25Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  This is a sample that has thorium also, thorium keeps popping up. Um, so thorium is an element that is present in the black placer sand deposits on the northern coast of Egypt.

• 1:50:38Jesse Michels?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:50:38Speaker 01

  And it's currently a raw material source for nuclear materials.

• 1:50:41Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, in China, they have a thorium reactor.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:44Jesse Michels?

  And they're looking into it here.

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  So thorium popped up not only in the chemical analysis of the staining inside the red pyramid, but it's also popped up in these iron veins.

• 1:50:52Jesse Michels?

  So wild.

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  So this is silver, um, different concentrations of silver found in the iron veins. This is different concentrations of gold, and this is a particle of electron, which is a naturally occurring um, mix of silver and gold. So the boat pit circuit breakers, so these boat pits-

• 1:51:08Jesse Michels?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  Interrupt the iron vein wiring network.

• 1:51:12Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:12Speaker 01

  They are breaks in the circuit.

• 1:51:14Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  And we've found, so these spheres here are fused silica microspheres-

• 1:51:20Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  From the fulgurites that were discovered in these iron deposits. Fused silica, this is me down inside one of the boat pits adjacent to the Great Pyramid. So they're circuit breakers. The, the iron vein network connects all of the components on the Giza Plateau, and these circuit breakers were filled with dilute sulfuric acid or dilute hydrochloric acid to open and close the breaker.

• 1:51:46Jesse Michels?

  So wild, man.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  Circuit breakers. This is a map that I created of the iron vein network.

• 1:51:52Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  It all emanates from the core of the central pyramid and the great pyramid, and it spreads all across the Giza Plateau, connecting all of these various structures.

• 1:52:01Jesse Michels?

  Is there anything astronomically significant about the alignment of the pyramids? I know people kind of often misquote.

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:07Jesse Michels?

  And say that it's, you know, exactly mapped to Orion's Belt, but.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  So in regard to the King's Chamber air shafts, a lot of people say that those are star shafts.

• 1:52:17Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  That point out to certain constellations. The original archaeological documentation shows that the shafts go horizontal at the end.

• 1:52:25Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:52:26Speaker 01

  They don't go diagonally pointing at stars. The, the termination of the air shaft is actually flat and horizontal. So they don't point at anything. The Orion correlation showing that some of these structures are connected to Orion's Belt. I think that's true. And if you look at the alchemical medieval

• 1:52:46Speaker 01

  processes that they were doing, everything with ancient alchemy was done in conjunction with celestial alignments.

• 1:52:53Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  Like you're connected, collecting the dew during certain phases of the moon, or you're waiting for a conjunction with Venus or other planets to perform these alchemical operations.

• 1:53:04Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:53:04Speaker 01

  They had an understanding that whether this is true or not, that chemical reactions and molecular transformations happen more effectively in conjunction with certain celestial alignments.

• 1:53:17Jesse Michels?

  So interesting, because so many people, you know, use that for ancient alien astronaut theory. But in fact, maybe it is just very functional.

• 1:53:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. So last thing, red pyramid.

• 1:53:27Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:27Speaker 01

  Staining inside of the red pyramid.

• 1:53:29Jesse Michels?

  Wild, you can see it.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  Indications of the fluid dynamics. We have experiments that demonstrate these same fluid dynamic staining patterns.

• 1:53:35Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  And then we go to old Fritz Haber.

• 1:53:39Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  And this is the original apparatus.

• 1:53:42Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:53:43Speaker 01

  That Fritz Haber made. And this is it in comparison to the three chambers.

• 1:53:48Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 1:53:48Speaker 01

  The red pyramid.

• 1:53:49Jesse Michels?

  Crazy.

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  Again, there's absolutely no reason for him to put this third one on a stand like that.

• 1:53:53Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  But it's the same configuration that we have in the chambers of the red pyramid.

• 1:53:57Jesse Michels?

  So wild.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy. I can skip through some of this stuff and you don't have to show this on screen, but we talked about the Kardashev scale.

• 1:54:04Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  We talked about using Earth's natural resources for the power source. This is a picture of one of the White Horse Hills, the Uffington White Horse Hill that were used to generate cumulonimbus thunderstorm clouds, lightning, the power source, these white horse hills, cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators that are the power sources of structures like Avebury. We talked about the Kalanese stone circle and how these stone circles were used for terraforming applications. This is a picture of the Saharan humid period. Where 14,000 years ago, the Sahara was a desert. About 7,000 years ago, monsoon rains were transforming basically all of Africa. So huge terraforming, whether it's natural environmental changes or implementation of ancient technology, that's up for debate for the, the viewers and the, you know, research community in general.

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  But I think it's a result of intentional terraforming utilizing cumulonimbus thunderstorm generators and chemicals.

• 1:54:55Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  Then we go into things like the solar, lunar and tidal calculators that are built into structures like Avebury, because the moon also has a profound effect on lightning strikes. 25% more lightning strikes occurring during the full moon.

• 1:55:11Jesse Michels?

  Why is that?

• 1:55:12Speaker 01

  So it's a, it's a direct result of the modulation of the Earth's geomagnetic field and the tidal pull on the earth from the moon.

• 1:55:20Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is a paper called the Moon Effect on Lightning.

• 1:55:23Jesse Michels?

  Interesting.

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  That shows that there's an increase in lightning activity in the new phase of the moon.

• 1:55:26Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:55:27Speaker 01

  So they were tracking the conjunctions between the sun, the earth and the moon in order to accurately predict when lightning strikes were going to occur.

• 1:55:34Jesse Michels?

  And so piezoelectricity, where does that play into this? So in Dunn's model, that is kind of the.

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:41Jesse Michels?

  That's used.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I think it's the opposite.

• 1:55:44Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:55:44Speaker 01

  So there's a phenomenon called inverse piezoelectric effect.

• 1:55:47Jesse Michels?

  What is that?

• 1:55:48Speaker 01

  Where the input is electricity.

• 1:55:50Jesse Michels?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:55:50Speaker 01

  So in the piezoelectric effect, the input is sound vibrations and the output is electrical current.

• 1:55:59Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  The input in piezoelectricity is mechanical compression.

• 1:56:03Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:56:03Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:56:06Speaker 01

  Mechanical forces compressing the quartz, which generate electrical discharge. I think it's the exact opposite. Where the input is electrical current and the output is ultrasound. It's called the inverse piezoelectric effect. It's how ultrasound transducers work.

• 1:56:22Jesse Michels?

  And what, what would the purpose of ultrasound be in ancient Egypt?

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  Is currently being used in a discipline called sonochemistry, which is sound chemistry.

• 1:56:30Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 1:56:30Speaker 01

  As a catalyst for chemical reactions.

• 1:56:32Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 1:56:33Speaker 01

  So the King's Chamber and the antechamber within the Great Pyramid are acoustic catalyst chambers that catalyze the chemical reaction between sulfur dioxide and oxygen into sulfur dioxide to produce sulfuric acid.

• 1:56:46Jesse Michels?

  When did we figure out sonochemistry, like in modern civilizations?

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  So I don't know when the investigation started on that. Um, there was a paper that mentioned that it was looked at during the 1970s, but it's, it's kind of a newer discipline where they're starting to use ultrasound for various chemical reactions. One specifically that comes to mind is called sonohydrogen, where we're using ultrasound to break down water molecules to produce hydrogen and oxygen.

• 1:57:12Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 1:57:12Speaker 01

  Which is my hypothesis for the function of the serapium. The underground tunnel system that has those big boxes. Um, that's the serapium. So again, we're utilizing all of these natural resources, converting natural resources into a variety of chemical commodities, which is exactly what we do today. This is showing the concentration of methane deposits around the Nile River in Egypt, the sacred flame, the impetus for the construction of the step pyramid. This is the step pyramid and I have actual animations that show how the step pyramid works. Lightning, this is talking about the connection between telluric currents and lightning are intimately linked, also directly connected to subterranean natural resources, the alchemical, American alchemy, orboros, right? Connection between recirculating electric current in the earth, because lightning also stimulates telluric currents.

• 1:57:57Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  So telluric currents are directly connected to the location for lightning strikes. Lightning strikes stimulate more pulses of telluric currents.

• 1:58:04Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  So it's a recirculating electric current system within the earth.

• 1:58:07Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:08Speaker 01

  The orboros.

• 1:58:09Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  Again, the Egyptian pyramids, for example, the step pyramid harnessing natural gas, hydrogen being produced in the serapium, sulfur and air being converted to sulfur dioxide within the Great Pyramid to produce sulfuric acid, hydrogen and nitrogen being transformed in the red pyramid to create ammonia. Both of those two can be combined to create ammonium sulfate.

• 1:58:30Jesse Michels?

  And ammonium sulfate usefulness is fertilizer.

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So this is one of the stones of Oshido Ishi Hill.

• 1:58:37Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  And this, the scarring pockmarks and melted top of the stone are a result of lightning strikes directly on that stone.

• 1:58:45Jesse Michels?

  Can I, can I ask you a question?

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:58:47Jesse Michels?

  What would be your number one prediction, bold prediction based on this hypothesis?

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:55Jesse Michels?

  So if you're right, it could be something like the Beyonde thing, but different. So like you're guessing that you would find another structure underneath the pyramids. What's the thing that you would predict we'll discover in our lifetime that will further corroborate your work?

• 1:59:15Speaker 01

  That we would discover in our lifetime?

• 1:59:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  That's an interesting question and no one's ever asked that before. Um, that would further substantiate my work. So it's actually kind of directly connected to the Beyonde thing.

• 1:59:31Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  And the scans of what's really below the Giza Plateau.

• 1:59:35Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:59:35Speaker 01

  So I remember my first trip to Egypt and I immediately got the sense that what we see above ground is only 50% of what's really there.

• 1:59:44Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  And there is absolutely stuff below Giza.

• 1:59:47Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:59:47Speaker 01

  So for example, the extraction network and the subterranean infrastructure that supports the above ground manufacturing processes. There are tunnels and chambers and shafts all below the Giza Plateau. Not a kilometer deep, but relatively shallow below the surface, there are absolutely undiscovered shafts and chambers. For example, there are three openings on the back of the Sphinx enclosure, one of which has been corroborated by a friend of mine in the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities to connect into the Queen's Chamber of the Great Pyramid,

• 2:00:24Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Which would be the connection from the Queen's Chamber into the extraction shaft system that then connects into the Sphinx enclosure, which is the final stage of what was happening on the Giza Plateau. So there's an underground transverse horizontal shaft system that connects all of those vertical bedrock shafts that we were talking about yesterday. It's the industrial infrastructure below the Giza Plateau. That, the investigation of that is, is critical in understanding and sort of proving this industrial chemical manufacturing hypothesis. Same thing below the red pyramid.

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  If we had some scanning technology that could look into the red pyramid and look below the red pyramid, there should be an extraction shaft

• 2:01:07Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:01:07Speaker 01

  Coming from below the final synthesis chamber of the red pyramid. The discovery of something like that would be monumental in pushing the needle forward in proving this hypothesis.

• 2:01:18Jesse Michels?

  Then how do we take steps to find the extraction shaft?

• 2:01:22Speaker 01

  Good luck convincing the Ministry of Antiquities to investigate anything that can, conflates the conventional hypothesis.

• 2:01:30Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  That is a conflict to the Pharaonic Barrel hypothesis.

• 2:01:33Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:33Speaker 01

  They do not approve projects like that.

• 2:01:35Jesse Michels?

  It's so unfortunate.

• 2:01:36Speaker 01

  So that's why I kind of circumventing that, like Beyonde wants to do. The SAR team members cannot be actively involved in any project. Their affiliation with any excavations will immediately result in the disqualification of the approval process.

• 2:01:52Jesse Michels?

  Sure.

• 2:01:53Speaker 01

  So that's why he's saying he was gonna take a step back from it and let somebody else sponsor it.

• 2:01:57Jesse Michels?

  Just let's clean out the trash.

• 2:01:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that.

• 2:01:59Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  Simple, non-invasive, constructive projects that could just clean up some of that stuff. And hey, let's, let's just dig out the trash and get to the bottom of this shaft. See where, see where it goes. I highly, I, I, I don't think they're, they're gonna allow that.

• 2:02:16Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:16Speaker 01

  Even just that project, I would be extremely surprised.

• 2:02:19Jesse Michels?

  So unfortunate too, because I think if you're at the apex of, you know, ancient advanced technology, Allah, chemical, chemical manufacturing, or if Dunn is right, if any of these things are true, that is so much cooler than we have this monument that was basically just a, you know, burial, you know, pharaonic tomb or whatever.

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  So I've had even, um, Andy Hall said, if any of this is right, it would be an absolutely monumental discovery. And I say the same thing.

• 2:02:52Jesse Michels?

  Most GDP boosting thing if you're Egypt.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  10% is correct of my whole body of work at the end of my lifetime.

• 2:02:58Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:59Speaker 01

  That 10% would be huge. And in the process of falsifying anything that I've proposed, we're gonna get closer to the truth anyway.

• 2:03:08Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  So by saying this is right and this is wrong, we're gonna take those pieces that are right, and then we're gonna implement it into a new model. We'll discard the pieces that are wrong and then we'll try new stuff. And eventually we're gonna build that framework of what's right and what's wrong, and we'll come to the apex conclusion of what actually is the truth. So again, I think that's why it's important to not look at just the Great Pyramid. That's an extremely restricted perspective on ancient pyramid technology. How can you only focus on the one thing? What about all the rest of them? And if your mechanisms of X, Y, and Z do whatever, why don't those apply to all the rest of them?

• 2:03:46Jesse Michels?

  Do any other, uh, kind of ancient archaeological people like, you know, Graham Hancock, Robert Shock? Like what do, how do they view your theory? Do they know what to do with it even? Or is it like hard for them to process?

• 2:03:59Speaker 01

  Probably noticed that I get, I've gotten barely any recognition in the community.

• 2:04:05Jesse Michels?

  I, I, I don't track.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  None of the big names would even touch my work.

• 2:04:09Jesse Michels?

  Why is that?

• 2:04:11Speaker 01

  So there, a lot of them are.

• 2:04:13Jesse Michels?

  If they're saying it's not a tomb, and then you have two people saying constructive things, you and Dunn, why wouldn't they take?

• 2:04:19Speaker 01

  I will say there's a very.

• 2:04:20Jesse Michels?

  The other, yeah.

• 2:04:22Speaker 01

  There's a very close knit community of these people.

• 2:04:24Jesse Michels?

  Interesting.

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  And they, they only deal within that community. And I am not a member of said community.

• 2:04:32Jesse Michels?

  So there's like in-group, out-group.

• 2:04:33Speaker 01

  Nor do I have any desire to be. And they're all on board with Christopher Dunn's theory.

• 2:04:39Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 2:04:39Speaker 01

  And will essentially reject anything that is the alternative of Dunn's theory.

• 2:04:44Jesse Michels?

  Would you ever debate Christopher Dunn?

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I wouldn't debate him. It was same thing with Filippo.

• 2:04:48Jesse Michels?

  Boy, conversation.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  I would absolutely have a conversation with Dunn.

• 2:04:51Jesse Michels?

  Do you think he'd have a?

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  I'm certain he, I know for a fact he's familiar with my work.

• 2:04:54Jesse Michels?

  Do you think?

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  I think it's been also brought up to Randall Carlson. Um, they have to be, you know, I've gained enough traction just based on sort of grassroots growth. You know, I, I haven't had exponential growth of my channel. I have 70,000 subscribers, which is nothing in comparison to some of the larger channels out there. And it's been slow, steady, painstaking growth.

• 2:05:16Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  Like absolutely excruciating trying to grow the channel. And every podcast I do, I get a little boost here, a little boost there. But it's never been that population explosion of people that are interested in my work, because it's not as sexy as pyramid power plants.

• 2:05:32Jesse Michels?

  Right, sure.

• 2:05:33Speaker 01

  That's what Andy Hall said. He's like, it's a very mundane and practical theory. And people don't want mundane and practical when it comes to ancient technology.

• 2:05:41Jesse Michels?

  Well, you gotta go where the facts lead. And I do think that, uh, some sort of Socratic round table that was just open and good vibes.

• 2:05:48Speaker 01

  But those, those, those people generally refuse to even acknowledge my work or mention it on a public settings.

• 2:05:53Jesse Michels?

  Do you think Dunn would speak to you? Do you think Dunn would show up on a podcast with you?

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  I have no idea. I've never spoken to him. I don't know about him personally.

• 2:05:59Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:06:00Speaker 01

  You know, I've only had, you know, shout out Hugh Newman, Luke Caverns, Danny. People like you are the only ones that have been willing to enter a Matt, Matt Bell limitless podcast. You know, they're, they're advocates of my work and they're people that have been, um, extremely supportive and willing to kind of give me a public platform to talk about these things. But I'm, I'm completely happy just doing my own thing. I don't need acknowledgement or recognition from the community at large, because generally I don't, I don't respect the opinion of any of these people. With the exception of people like Christopher Dunn, because he, he is an engineer. Randall Carlson, I have a lot of respect for Randall Carlson. But there's some individuals in the ancient alternative history, you know, scene

• 2:06:42Speaker 01

  that I don't even want to be affiliated with, period. So don't talk about my work, because I want it to stand on its own.

• 2:06:49Jesse Michels?

  Well, one thing.

• 2:06:49Speaker 01

  Even if I were to take a step back from the thing.

• 2:06:51Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:51Speaker 01

  Because people, when it comes to me personally, people either love me or they absolutely hate me. You know, it's a very straw man argument where I don't have qualifications to be talking about this. It's all wild bullshit.

• 2:07:03Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, but that's the whole world that people like.

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah. And that's just the, the, the toxicity of the community in which we live in terms of being YouTube.

• 2:07:11Jesse Michels?

  Well, you mentioned, cause I brought up, um, the Ben Van Kirkwick and, you know, Uncharted X. And he has this idea of, you know, these, this large labyrinth under Hawara and this sort of tic tac shaped 40 meter long object. And I asked you about this and you said this came from a blog post?

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. So one of the guys that did the scans.

• 2:07:31Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  This was actually, the labyrinth has been known about for a long time. It is not new news. And the recent.

• 2:07:38Jesse Michels?

  It is cool, though. It's wild.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Recent scanning, so everybody knows that the labyrinth is there. There is absolutely zero argument from the archaeological community that that's down there.

• 2:07:46Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:47Speaker 01

  There was an expedition, I think it was 2008, called the Metaha Expedition. They GPR scanned it. They found that there's a huge slab, limestone slab, that's actually not the floor, but actually the roof of this underground chamber system. So they have had legitimate expeditions and excavations in Hawara. But the logistics of getting under there, the whole thing is underwater because of this canal that was excavated through the site. So the whole thing is underwater. So it involves incredibly sort of risky logistics that would potentially damage the structure. And when it comes to Egyptian excavations, anything that is potentially hazardous to the structure will never be approved in terms of excavation. They would rather opt for preservation of the monument than potential destruction.

• 2:08:31Speaker 01

  So there's a lot of logistics and money that's needed for the excavation of Hawara, and nobody's coughing it up right now.

• 2:08:37Jesse Michels?

  The question I would have is, that I think is really important for your work that I would look into if I were you, is like, when did this exactly get lost and move into these like hermetic?

• 2:08:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:48Jesse Michels?

  Substructures or whatever, because that, that seems like really important, like.

• 2:08:52Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna say something very controversial, but fuck it.

• 2:08:54Jesse Michels?

  Go for it.

• 2:08:55Speaker 01

  So the quote, "lost ancient high technology."

• 2:08:58Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:59Speaker 01

  Is a crutch for people that don't have original content.

• 2:09:02Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. Hmm. No, that's, that's great that you're saying that, but you, I think the onus is on you to explain why we're not doing this as the default. As far as, you know, why, why are we not at the Carter Shev one? But we were at the Carter Shev one 10,000 years ago.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we've lost our connection to natural phenomenon. And I don't know where that transition occurred.

• 2:09:25Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  Where the ancient mystery schools sort of maintain that connection to natural phenomenon. But it's possibly connected to the development of modern religion.

• 2:09:35Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:35Speaker 01

  Where we no longer are nature, spirit worship type people. We are completely absent from our connection to the earth and its conjunctions with the solar system and universe in general.

• 2:09:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:48Speaker 01

  So I used to have a cushy career job. I had a house. I had a car.

• 2:09:52Jesse Michels?

  What were you doing?

• 2:09:53Speaker 01

  So I was the regional director and lead sales guy, but by virtue of being the only regional employee. So I was the regional director for the state for a large commercial cleaning company. So I did outside sales. I did all the operations, customer service, management of the company, et cetera. You know, corporate nine to five career job.

• 2:10:15Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Had a beautiful house, had a car, living the American dream, making gobs of money. And I gave it all up. I quit my career. I sold my house. I sold my car. I sold everything I owned to go be a self-published author and a YouTuber to go live in Egypt.

• 2:10:32Jesse Michels?

  Explain that transition.

• 2:10:35Speaker 01

  So that's a, that's a wild story. So, um, I went to Egypt for the first time in 2017. Oh, this is a good story too, about the, the chameleon eye Google app person. This is my first research trip to Egypt. And shout out to the amazing friend, Youssef Awian. You've, I'm sure you've heard his name. He is the biggest sort of alternative tour guide in Egypt. His father was a prolific tour guide in Egypt. And Youssef has carried the torch of being the basically gatekeeper of ancient secrets in Egypt. If you're interested in the ancient stuff, you go with Youssef. So I tracked Youssef down and I was actually going to investigate this hypothesis about the Great Pyramid producing electricity. I wanted to see it for myself. So.

• 2:11:20Jesse Michels?

  So you were inspired by Christopher Dunn. You wanted to verify it.

• 2:11:22Speaker 01

  So again, I have, just because I disagree, same thing with Filippo.

• 2:11:26Jesse Michels?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  Just because I disagree with him, doesn't mean I don't have respect for him. He is the godfather of functional pyramid technology hypothesis. And others have proposed the same output. The Great Pyramid is a power plant, power plant, power plant, power plant, only focusing on the Great Pyramid. So I go to Egypt, 2017 with Youssef. Our first stop was a site called Abu Sear. And I found this in situ artifact. There is a pyramid known as the Pyramid of Nausicaä. And adjacent to the Pyramid of Nausicaä, there is an eastern temple. Below the eastern temple, there is a red quartzite conduit system.

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  This red quartzite conduit goes underneath the black paving, black basalt paving of the eastern temple. And it deposits into a red quartzite collection bowl. Some sort of liquid was pouring into that bowl. To me, that was the first indication that the pyramids aren't actually producing or collecting electricity, but the output was rather chemicals. The origin of the science of chemistry dates back to the dynastic Egyptians.

• 2:12:34Jesse Michels?

  Is that true?

• 2:12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. They were, they were the first people to make, um.

• 2:12:37Jesse Michels?

  Isn't chem, it's an Egyptian, like.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was gonna get to that. Um, yeah. So they were the first to make synthetic pigments. Calcium copper silicate, known as Egyptian blue, is the first synthetic pigment that was ever created on the planet. They were the first to make pharmaceuticals. They were the first to make cosmetics, all of which are alchemical disciplines. And our modern word for chemistry, the etymology of that word goes back to the root word chem, K H E M, meaning the blackness, which is a reference to the alluvial Nile soil.

• 2:13:09Speaker 01

  So Nile River flooding creates this very rich soil, alluvial soil around the Nile River, very, very dark in color. It's black. So the land of CHEM traces back to the name for that CHEM, alluvial soil. However, the word CHEM is also directly connected to the Egyptian science of chemistry through the stages of alchemy, the first of which is known as the black stage, the negredo. So there's three stages of the alchemical process, the negredo, the albedo, and the rubedo, the black, white, and red, which is also directly connected to the three colors of stones that are utilized in the construction of the pyramids, all which have specific functions in these structures, black basalt, white limestone, and red granite.

• 2:13:52Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:13:52Speaker 01

  Directly connected to the three stages of alchemy and integrated using specific material properties into the function of the pyramid structures.

• 2:14:00Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:14:01Speaker 01

  So my work is called The Land of CHEM, C-H-E-M. CHEM is the etymological root word of alchemy, which became our modern word for chemistry. So the name of my channel and the name of my work is The Land of CHEM. It's a play on words for the original name of Egypt, The Land of CHEM, but it's C-H-E-M for the land of chemistry instead of K-H-E-M.

• 2:14:20Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  So we're investigating Abu Sir. I'm looking at this collection bowl immediately in my head, chemistry. I knew that alchemy was born in ancient Egypt. This really resonated with me as being a more likely explanation for the function of the pyramids, because you don't collect electricity as a liquid in a bowl.

• 2:14:41Jesse Michels?

  No.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  No. So I was like, okay, this is artifact number one that put me on the journey investigating industrial chemical scale production. And side note, I really appreciate actually being able to do a conversation, because normally I go right into a presentation and I don't often have a chance to do an engaging conversation and tell these kinds of stories anymore. So I really appreciate that. It's going to be a fun time.

• 2:15:04Jesse Michels?

  Absolutely.

• 2:15:05Speaker 01

  And we may dive into some important material here in a little bit. We'll just see where it goes from here.

• 2:15:10Jesse Michels?

  Beautiful.

• 2:15:10Speaker 01

  So the next site we go to is the red pyramid in Dachur, which is where I started my reverse engineering of the Egyptian pyramids, was actually investigating the red pyramid. So I didn't know that we were going to get a chance to go inside this thing. So we go inside the red pyramid. I'm looking at the tiered upper vault. There's chemical staining all over the walls and an intense smell of ammonia that emanates from the final chamber. The smell 100% comes from the final chamber and it gets less and less intense the further away you get from the final chamber.

• 2:15:43Jesse Michels?

  Do we know it is ammonia?

• 2:15:44Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah. Um, fast forward, you know, several years into the future from then, I knew it was chemical staining on the walls when I looked at it originally. The conventional explanation is that it's from bats. Fast forward five years, we now have chemical analysis data that was taken of this staining on the walls of the red pyramid that conclusively proves it has absolutely nothing to do with bats. It's a combination of metal oxides that create this chemical staining on the walls of the chamber. So I'm looking around the structure. I'm like, what's all this staining from? And it's, it gets darker and darker the higher you go up into the chamber. So I was like, okay, maybe something is being compressed into the upper reaction chamber here. And that's what's creating this really dark nebulous

• 2:16:28Speaker 01

  staining in the upper portion of the chamber. We're exploring, we get to the final chamber. I'm like, dude, it smells like ammonia, pure chemical ammonia. And my wife and I, shout out to my beautiful wife Alexa, Archeo Alchemy, who's always sitting over there patiently. We've been in tons of other structures that have bats in Egypt. We've been in Mustaba 17 that is filled with bats. We've been in the tomb of the birds that is filled with bats. We've been into the subterranean labyrinth system below the eastern temple of the Pyramid of Wenies. There's another underground labyrinth that's adjacent to the Pyramid of Wenies in Saqqara, filled with bats. The smell of bat cave is completely different. It smells like a rodent cage. So I'm having this crazy experience on this, the first two days of

• 2:17:10Speaker 01

  this adventure. We go back to the hotel and I remember driving. I'm like, maybe these things are industrial scale chemical manufacturing things. So I'm like marinating on this idea and it's like, maybe they're making ammonia. I know ammonia is for fertilizer. I was like, well, that kind of makes sense that at least one of these pyramids is for agricultural applications. So we go back to the hotel and I had to go get my room key reactivated or something of that nature. So I go up to the front desk and I'm given in the room key and I hear behind me, so I'm, I'm born in the northern United States, but I was living in southeastern United States and I recognized a very distinct southern accent behind me. So I turn around and there's this guy with his Egyptian tour guide or escort and he was

• 2:17:52Speaker 01

  by himself. So I turn around and said, hey, man, where are you from? And he says, I'm from the exact same town where you're from, right down the street from where I live. And so I was like, all right, that's kind of a strange coincidence to just run into this guy, five minutes down the road from where I live, in the hotel, random occurrence.

• 2:18:11Jesse Michels?

  Well, did he say it like that? Like he knew where you were from?

• 2:18:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So I said, where are you from? He said, I'm from blah, blah, blah.

• 2:18:17Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 2:18:17Speaker 01

  And I was like, okay. He's like, I live in this area. I'm like, okay.

• 2:18:22Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 2:18:23Speaker 01

  And I'm looking at him in the eyes and he has these big bulbous eyes and it, you know, like chameleon, like kind of like they operated independently where one was kind of looking over. It was like really, really weird.

• 2:18:34Jesse Michels?

  What?

• 2:18:35Speaker 01

  And I was very much interested. I was intrigued by this guy. It was something very compelling about this guy. And I was like, this is weird. So this guy's from the same place. He's got these weird looking eyes. He's got this crazy vibe. And I was like, hey, man, what are you doing tonight? He's like, oh, nothing. I'm just getting settled in the hotel. It's like, why don't you come to dinner and we'll all sit down and have dinner and talk about our experience in Egypt and what we're doing here. So he's like, okay, yeah, yeah. So my friend and I go to sit to dinner. This guy comes down and we kept offering him food. Like we sit down and have this lavish meal, beautiful meal, all these drinks and fantastic food. I'm like, do you, no, no, no, I don't want anything to eat. Don't want anything to drink. So didn't eat anything, didn't drink anything with these crazy looking eyes. And then he starts probing, like not, not probing me from an alien sense.

• 2:19:19Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:19:20Speaker 01

  Like asking me these questions. He's like, so what are you investigating in Egypt? And I was like, well, we're looking about the function of the pyramids. He's like, interesting. Why don't you tell me more about your theory? So I was like, okay, well, I was looking at electricity, but now I'm leaning more towards chemicals. And he's interesting. He's like, what kind of chemicals do you think? And he kept on just asking these really methodical questions regarding this theory that I had just generated that day.

• 2:19:43Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  So he was really just, almost interrogating me.

• 2:19:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, in a way that probably helped you flesh out this theory.

• 2:19:50Speaker 01

  Well, so I was also very caught off guard by this, because he, there was something that was really strange about this individual. The, the coincidence, yeah, you may run into somebody from your hometown overseas. I get that. But there was just something super weird about this guy. And the questions he were asking was, was so poignant and almost one step ahead of where I was.

• 2:20:10Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 2:20:11Speaker 01

  So he was asking me kind of these leading questions that was, it was, it was such a weird experience. So anyway, we start talking about the serapium and the function of all these different things. And he was interjecting, you know, several possibilities. Why don't you consider this? Or why don't you consider that? And I was like, okay, that's super interesting. And I was like, well, why don't we keep in touch during our trip here in Egypt? And, you know, we exchanged numbers on WhatsApp and I tried to message him and he said he was working for the, I was like, so what are you doing here? He's like, I work for the TSA. I'm stationed in France. Instead of going home on my leave to see my family, I decided to come to Egypt. And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, I'm only here for one day. You know, I'm here to see the pyramids and I'm going back. And instead of going

• 2:20:55Speaker 01

  to see my family, I decided to come to Egypt. And I was like, none of this is making sense. This is all super weird. So I just kind of registered that experience and it's, it's stuck with me to this day where, when I'm telling it now, I kind of get chill bumps on the back of my neck and it's.

• 2:21:11Jesse Michels?

  How did you leave? Did he just, you just?

• 2:21:12Speaker 01

  So again, we, we kind of wrapped up. We finished our dinner. I was like, that was super interesting conversation, shook his hand, got his number. I was like, hey, I'll be in touch. You know, maybe we'll touch base when I get back to town and, you know, et cetera, et cetera. I attempted to message him later in the future and he just kind of like disappeared in thin air.

• 2:21:27Jesse Michels?

  You never, you never saw him again?

• 2:21:29Speaker 01

  Never heard from him again.

• 2:21:29Jesse Michels?

  You ever tried, you ever got his name? Tried to look him up?

• 2:21:31Speaker 01

  I did, I did have his name. I tried to look him up. Nobody that existed under that name, no Facebook profile, no Instagram profile, nothing like that.

• 2:21:38Jesse Michels?

  What? And he had googly eyes.

• 2:21:41Speaker 01

  Because googly eyes, and I remember there were several times where I looked at him directly in the eye.

• 2:21:45Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:46Speaker 01

  And it was like, they were kind of moving independently where, you know, that, that happens and some people have weird, weird eyes or whatever.

• 2:21:52Jesse Michels?

  That happens in Men in Black, the movie.

• 2:21:54Speaker 01

  I noticed that also. So it just, it really stuck with me. Very strange experience during my first trip to Egypt.

• 2:22:02Jesse Michels?

  Who do you think that dude was who was leading you down the path with the structured questions?

• 2:22:06Speaker 01

  Dude, oh man, I don't, I don't know. It was, um.

• 2:22:09Jesse Michels?

  Cause that, cause that has to, that has to work into a working worldview. It feels like so, um, not foundational to the work, cause it doesn't, obviously you've, you've accumulated so much substance and corroboration since then.

• 2:22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:24Jesse Michels?

  But foundational to the inspiration, like it feels like this, like interesting, like, okay, you're getting teed off by this like weirdly knowledgeable mystical dude.

• 2:22:36Speaker 01

  So I don't have a good explanation for that.

• 2:22:40Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Speaker 01

  My work is certainly adjacent to the UFO phenomenon, uh, interdimensional.

• 2:22:46Jesse Michels?

  Sure.

• 2:22:47Speaker 01

  Possibly spiritual visitors, that sort of thing. One of the followers of my channel, shout out Vince, uh, he said it was a Kachina. Are you know what the Kachina are?

• 2:22:57Jesse Michels?

  No.

• 2:22:57Speaker 01

  Sort of these, um, maybe sort of angelic people that are kind of watchers or, you know, spiritual people that are, are got spirit guides or whatever.

• 2:23:06Jesse Michels?

  Sure.

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  From the Native American traditions.

• 2:23:08Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:08Speaker 01

  He's like, that's a Kachina that came to make sure you were on the right path.

• 2:23:11Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:12Speaker 01

  So I don't, I don't have any good explanation for that. All I know, it was one of the creepiest encounters, to use the word encounter, uh, creepiest encounters I've ever had in my life.

• 2:23:21Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:21Speaker 01

  I was kind of shaken to the core.

• 2:23:23Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:24Speaker 01

  For the entire evening and following day after that. And I couldn't shake this very strange sensation that I had from that, from that meeting.

• 2:23:31Jesse Michels?

  Do you have?

• 2:23:32Speaker 01

  I've had other experiences with that where, you know, the, the googly eye phenomenon is something that I, I, I recognize now.

• 2:23:42Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:43Speaker 01

  And so when I see individuals that have that physical feature, I always, it just kind of takes me back to that experience. And I'm like, this is like, what?

• 2:23:53Jesse Michels?

  Did you?

• 2:23:54Speaker 01

  I saw another one, you know?

• 2:23:55Jesse Michels?

  Do you have a, do you have a theory as to who that guy was?

• 2:23:58Speaker 01

  I have no idea. I have no idea. The questions were very, um, they were disturbing in a sense.

• 2:24:04Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:05Speaker 01

  Because he already knew where my mind was going in, in advance of the conversation. And again, you, you run into people from your hometown and when you're traveling abroad, like, oh, hey, we're from the same place. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he was there by himself. Like people don't just, people do go to Egypt by themselves and you know, these things happen. But I was, I was very much caught off guard. But even though I was disturbed by the sort of line of questioning and interrogation, I was super drawn in. And there was something about this, like, I gotta sit down with this guy and like, you know, pick his brain a little bit about what he's doing here. And, um, it was just a very, very strange encounter.

• 2:24:44Jesse Michels?

  That's extremely strange and interesting.

• 2:24:47Speaker 01

  Dude, this was epic today.

• 2:24:48Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:48Speaker 01

  I really, really enjoyed this. It's so nice to kind of take a break away from the presentation and just talk and have a conversation about these things. I'm sure, um, there's going to be pushback of, oh, you don't have any evidence to support this stuff. Go watch any of the other podcasts.

• 2:25:01Jesse Michels?

  No, you, you clearly have, uh, an abundance of evidence. I think it's, um, I don't know. I just hope you keep going and, and, and I, I think, I think for a lot of people, it's not evidence. It's epistemics and it's the way they think and it's that certain things can't be true because they seem beyond belief to them. I would say that what you're describing is less beyond belief than Christopher Dunn and a lot of the other hypotheses.

• 2:25:25Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:25:26Jesse Michels?

  So, um, no, but, but, but, but.

• 2:25:28Speaker 01

  Much love and respect to all the predecessors that laid the foundation for me to be able to do this. I'm certainly, you know, I have utmost respect for Dunn and, um, Robert Buball and Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. And those are the godfathers of all of this.

• 2:25:42Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:42Speaker 01

  And if they hadn't done what they had done, people like me would probably never have come to the conclusion that there's potential for more to be discovered in this.

• 2:25:50Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, no, this was amazing. And, uh, yeah, absolutely. And go check out Land of Chem. Jeffrey, appreciate your time, man. This was epic.

• 2:25:57Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. Uh, so let me just give a quick shout out to, again, my beautiful wife, Alexa. Her channel is Archeo Alchemy. We also have another travel adventure and culinary experience channel called Let's Go with Lex and G. Where we do food ratings and Japanese temples and all this other stuff.

• 2:26:13Jesse Michels?

  Cool.

• 2:26:13Speaker 01

  And to all you cat lovers out there, I take care of a family of Egyptian street cats. We have another channel called Egyptian Trash Cats. Um, go check that out. Please subscribe. Again, my channel is The Land of Chem, dude. Thank you so much.

• 2:26:25Jesse Michels?

  Uh, thank you, man. You're prolific.

• 2:26:26Speaker 01

  It was a wild ride. It was awesome.

• 2:26:27Jesse Michels?

  Thanks, Jeffrey. All right.

• 2:26:29Speaker 01

  All right. Later.

• 2:27:04Speaker 00

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