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1:21 David Imel? All right, Pod.
1:22 Speaker 03 I haven't showered since last year.
1:25 Speaker 01 I never wash my sheets.
1:26 Andrew Manganelli? Who did something that was like, I haven't changed my underwear since last year. It's like, we're three weeks into January.
1:37 Speaker 01 What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.
1:43 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
1:43 David Imel? And I'm David. It's really cold in here.
1:45 Speaker 01 It's chilly. It's cold everywhere, actually. But yeah, we have a lot to talk about. We got OpenAI and Nova Launcher, both adding ads to their products. We've got to talk about that. Also, Sony and TCL joining forces to make TVs? Question mark. A bunch of OnePlus drama that has sort of unfolded on Twitter, and we've got to talk about that. And then also, the state of the YouTube Union, as presented by Neil Mohan, CEO, but analyzed by me. So, we'll get to all of that. But first.
2:16 David Imel? Which is the but first this week?
2:18 Andrew Manganelli? Netflix is introducing live voting. This is such a small
2:21 David Imel? Live voting.
2:22 Andrew Manganelli? Little announcement, but I think it's really cool.
2:25 David Imel? What is it?
2:25 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, it's like, remember the American Idol days where we used to like
2:29 David Imel? Oh.
2:30 Andrew Manganelli? Vote for the winners by text message. It was texting or calling, I think.
2:34 David Imel? Does Dancing with the Stars do that?
2:36 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know.
2:36 David Imel? Oh.
2:37 Andrew Manganelli? Probably.
2:38 David Imel? I feel like they do.
2:39 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure there's still things that do it. The Voice. What's the Masked Singer?
2:42 David Imel? Yeah.
2:43 Andrew Manganelli? Probably does. I can't believe you haven't gotten invited to do that yet.
2:47 Andrew Manganelli? But yeah.
2:48 David Imel? Can't wait. No.
2:49 Andrew Manganelli? On Netflix now, live events via either the mobile app or the TV remote, there are different ways you'll be able to participate.
2:56 David Imel? But you can't Chromecast Netflix anymore, so.
2:59 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, really?
2:59 David Imel? There you go. Yeah, they got rid of the Chromecast feature a few weeks ago.
3:02 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. Thanks, Netflix.
3:03 Speaker 01 Netflix is always adding stuff.
3:07 Andrew Manganelli? Like they are.
3:07 Speaker 01 Didn't they try to do streaming, like that boxing event or something?
3:11 Andrew Manganelli? So here's, this is all based on live events because it's, it's affecting the event.
3:16 David Imel? Yeah.
3:16 Andrew Manganelli? For it.
3:17 David Imel? Yeah.
3:17 Andrew Manganelli? And I, I immediately wrote after this, if you're aware of any previous Netflix live events, you know, there's zero chance this works for quite a while. I can't tell how many Netflix live things for Love is Blind or whatever that I've tried to watch that just were massively delayed or didn't work at all.
3:36 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know why Netflix can't figure out live, it feels like.
3:38 David Imel? It's because they want you to be able to do polymarket bets live on the app.
3:42 Speaker 01 We should remember all of this when we get to the end and we talk about the YouTube State of the Union. Cause every complaint that we have about all the rest of the streamers, we'll get to YouTube at the end and it's like, oh yeah, YouTube is the biggest streamer and everything works. And it's the most stable and it's the entire creator economy and it's where all the content is. Anyway, we'll, we'll get to that later, obviously.
4:00 Andrew Manganelli? All right.
4:01 Speaker 01 But yeah, yeah, Netflix is doing more stuff. They're trying to do podcasts too. They're always doing stuff.
4:04 David Imel? Today, the day this goes live, Friday, Alex Honnold is doing that Taipei 101 climb.
4:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
4:11 David Imel? Netflix. He's scaling the Taipei 101 live on Netflix free solo.
4:14 Speaker 01 It's a building, right?
4:15 David Imel? It's a, yeah.
4:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
4:16 David Imel? Yeah.
4:17 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's.
4:18 David Imel? Doing it free solo, live on TV.
4:20 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Terrible idea.
4:21 Speaker 01 I will not be watching this.
4:22 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
4:23 David Imel? I will be not watching this.
4:25 Speaker 03 Frankly, Alex, get down from there.
4:30 Speaker 03 You're gonna hurt yourself. Big fan.
4:32 Andrew Manganelli? Big fan. I think this will be no problem for him, like in terms of holds and everything. It's literally nothing compared to LCAP, but I still don't, there's too many variables and live. You can live your life. I just don't think we need the live footage of it.
4:47 David Imel? Yeah.
4:48 Andrew Manganelli? If it happens.
4:48 David Imel? I don't know why they're doing this live on Netflix. I don't want to witness a live crash.
4:55 Speaker 01 For those who are just wondering and may have just Googled it like me, Taipei 101 is a 101-story, 1,667-foot tower in Taipei.
5:06 David Imel? It's cool. I've been inside it. They have a big ball bearing that on the inside that goes through the center of the column that basically it's supposed to take like earthquake, you know, movements and also just like random little shakes because it's like near a fault line. And so sometimes when you're in there, you can see the ball that's like in the center of the building, kind of just like swing briefly and it takes all of the.
5:29 Speaker 01 The swing of the building.
5:30 David Imel? That's pretty cool.
5:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:31 David Imel? Hopefully that doesn't happen while he's climbing it. I don't like it.
5:34 Andrew Manganelli? That's all I gotta say.
5:35 Speaker 01 It's Netflix for you.
5:36 Andrew Manganelli? Leave it to the professionals. One big thing in Free Solo he had was he like, he really didn't want the production to ever tell him when he couldn't do something. Knowing how Netflix is doing live stuff, how long are they gonna delay this when it inevitably doesn't go live?
5:51 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
5:52 Speaker 01 This reminds me of when I did the David Blaine free, the Ascension thing that we did where we, it was gonna be a completely different day and it was just slightly too windy. He had to float up into the sky holding balloons. Like that was like, yeah, not today. Tomorrow winds will be better. Weatherman was like, yep, this is perfect. We did it the next day.
6:07 Andrew Manganelli? Netflix is like, we don't technically know what we're doing at all. That's why it fails every day.
6:11 Speaker 01 Not what you want to hear.
6:12 David Imel? I'm just nervous about this because Taipei is very humid and your hands get all clammy, you know?
6:18 Andrew Manganelli? Chalk.
6:19 David Imel? Yeah, but then it gets all like muddy and gross, you know?
6:23 Speaker 01 He's probably figured out what to do with the.
6:25 David Imel? Yeah, I think he's, he knows what he's doing, but I still don't like it. That's all I gotta say. All right. Moving on.
6:32 Andrew Manganelli? Let's go. OpenAI adding ads. I've had to type the phrase adding ads so many times in this that it it doesn't feel like a real word or two real words anymore.
6:42 David Imel? Adding ad.
6:42 Andrew Manganelli? Adding ad.
6:43 David Imel? So ChatGPT in the free tier and the bottom go tier. So OpenAI recently released, they decided they were going to release the go tier to more people. Originally, this was just a pilot program in India to sell ChatGPT at a lower rate. But now they are expanding that to more users. And of course, just like Netflix did when they made the ad-supported tier, they are now going to put ads in the cheaper tiers. Sam Altman, a long time ago, I think he was quoted saying, we'll never have ads.
7:13 Andrew Manganelli? It's in 2024, he said, I kind of think of ads as a last resorts as a business model.
7:19 David Imel? Which last resort's not great if that's what you're doing right now. They, yeah, so along with that, they had some statements about how the ads work. They're saying that it will not affect your responses in ChatGPT. The ads are always separate and clearly labeled. The conversations are private from advertisers and the higher tiers won't have ads. There is an example that you can see here. Adam will put it on the screen.
7:44 Andrew Manganelli? No, I won't. The example is, so it's like asking for an authentic Mexican dish for a dinner party. And then ChatGPT goes on to give you a couple of options. And then under it, kind of clearly separated, not too clearly, but then it says Harvest Grocery sponsors and says these options might help if you're stocking up on ingredients and has some ingredients that you can buy.
8:06 David Imel? Yeah, looks like an ad.
8:08 Andrew Manganelli? It looks like an ad. But in my eyes, this feels like the exact example of something that could so easily manipulate results later down the line to increase
8:18 David Imel? Yeah.
8:18 Andrew Manganelli? ad rates and like, like in in the future. First of all, they said, we're not going to, uh, no, no ads will affect results. But also two years ago, they said ads are last result or last resort. So we're already kind of not trusting what they're saying. But like, why would this not be like, oh, I want a recipe for, you know, this Italian dish. But Whole Foods, Whole Food ad rates pay way better. But this, this ingredient isn't available at Whole Foods. So let's just substitute one of those ingredients in for something from the better ad rate company.
8:53 David Imel? So the argument is like, the ads should ideally never affect the like product and the actual results. And it should never be hidden in like, you're talking to the chatbot and it just starts telling you about a thing. And it's secretly an ad like that should never happen.
9:07 Speaker 01 Should.
9:07 David Imel? But your concern is potentially if it knows it can serve an ad with a certain response where it couldn't with another response, it might choose their response to also serve an ad.
9:20 Andrew Manganelli? I think this is an awful example to try and prove that it's not going to affect because it's so easy to see in this example, where it could easily be implemented in for just more money.
9:32 David Imel? The long tail progression of this is always worse than you think. A lot of times when tech CEOs say like, we will never do this. About two years later, they start doing it and they make excuses for it. Speaking of, Demis Hassabis, which is the CEO of Google DeepMind, which makes Gemini, responded to Sam Altman adding these ads to chat GBD, saying, we do not have any plans for ads in Gemini. And regarding OpenAI testing ads, maybe they feel they need to make more revenue.
9:58 Andrew Manganelli? Well.
9:59 David Imel? Which is kind of a burn.
10:00 Andrew Manganelli? That also kind of isn't like, probably stems off the back of these like reports of the internal documents saying they might lose like $14 billion this year.
10:10 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah.
10:12 Andrew Manganelli? So Last Resort came up on us pretty quick here.
10:15 David Imel? They're burning through a lot of money.
10:17 Speaker 01 They haven't made any money for.
10:18 David Imel? Yeah.
10:18 Speaker 01 These things.
10:19 Andrew Manganelli? I saw this great meme that was like. Sam or OpenAI in 2024, it just said like dollar sign zero and then 2026 and it was dollar sign zero, comma, zero, zero, zero, comma, zero, zero, zero, comma, zero, zero, zero.
10:32 Speaker 01 Zero trillion dollars.
10:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
10:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're also asking advertisers to commit at least a million in advertising if they sign up for any advertising at all.
10:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
10:42 Speaker 01 So that's a big commitment. I think that a lot of people probably see the opportunity here because chat GPT use is like out of control.
10:51 Andrew Manganelli? High.
10:51 Speaker 01 And it makes sense because it should know maybe even more about you than Google. Like if I go to Google, I'm searching for things I want to find.
10:59 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
10:59 Speaker 01 But a lot of people use chat GPT in much deeper ways of like, these are things I want to know. These are things I want to understand. This is like information about me to help inform my thing. And so now it knows all this stuff about you.
11:09 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
11:10 Speaker 01 And so the ads, I guess theoretically could be more targeted. So if you're an advertiser, you probably like that.
11:15 Andrew Manganelli? For sure. Which we all know how great this is going to play out when it's implemented, which will turn into a bunch of people asking super deranged things to chat GPT and getting advertisements for the potential item underneath it.
11:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, we'll see if they have standards for who they advertise.
11:33 Andrew Manganelli? We'll have another.
11:34 Speaker 01 Unlike X.
11:35 Andrew Manganelli? Well, but even like when they used to, remember when it used to go off the rails all the time and you would like ask it its name and weird stuff like that, like we're going to get another week of that. It's just going to be showing.
11:46 Speaker 01 Advertising.
11:46 Andrew Manganelli? Advertising for items that really don't want to be part of that conversation and it'll be broken for a week and then they'll adjust everything and.
11:53 Speaker 01 Well, that's what happened on YouTube, the adpocalypse. Remember that? When the ad rates all got cut like crazy? Yeah, because briefly there was like people taking screenshots of like a large company ad alongside some heinous video that happened to be on YouTube and it was like, oh, do you really want your brand alongside this? YouTube is so brand unsafe. And then all the marketing CEOs and managers went, oh, that's a bad headline, pulled all their spending so that they didn't look like they were doing brand unsafe things by advertising on YouTube and YouTube had to go, no, no, no, it's fine. That doesn't happen very often. In fact, we're going to do better. And then they had to slowly convince all the advertisers to come back.
12:27 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
12:28 Speaker 01 But I also would argue that they didn't have to convince all the advertisers to come back because there's no other way to reach those people. So they all came back and now here we are. So that arc could be a possibility again for OpenAI if they have a whole moment where there's an ad for a.
12:43 David Imel? Knife alongside a ridiculous query about how I want to use this knife to do something crazy. So yeah, that's that may be a possibility.
12:51 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like that's what the million dollar like minimum is for to avoid randos just buying ads.
12:58 David Imel? Oh, you mean like BlueChew?
13:00 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, what?
13:01 David Imel? I mean, all over Twitter for the first like year of them of Elon ownership. BlueChew was like the only sponsor because nobody wanted to run ads.
13:10 Andrew Manganelli? It was really bad, like absolute no name felt like crappy Etsy store type ads of like white labeled AliExpress items all over it.
13:20 David Imel? Now, a lot of the brands came back, but it was pretty rough.
13:22 Andrew Manganelli? But I think the thing with the million dollar ad, I don't think they're necessarily trying to get rid of maybe low quality ads. I'm saying more of high quality ads are going to be placed in low quality search results, trying to do something funny. And that's could backfire.
13:39 David Imel? What do you mean by trying to do something funny?
13:40 Andrew Manganelli? Like people are going to type stupid stuff into chat GPT to essentially try and break it and get requested an ad like Mark has said, like, maybe you say something wild about wanting to use a knife for something that's clearly illegal. And next thing you know, Cabela's is on the bottom selling you like a hunting knife or something like that, which would never want to be associated.
13:59 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. To your guys know about chat GPT probably knowing even more about you. I mean, Meta's entire business is that it knows a lot about you and it knows a lot about you through two ways. One, Facebook, you just told it everything about you, but that's that data is very old and people never update their Facebook. So it's like, whatever. Two is the Facebook pixel that tracks you around the internet. That's exactly what Google does when you're searching things on Google. And that's why Google's ad business is like good, but not as good as Meta's. But now you're just constantly telling chat GPT about everything you are doing in your life. Like when you make a Google query, it is like, I'm searching something. Because you searched this and you're in this demographic and you're in this location, we can infer based on this big data pool that you probably are interested in this, but chat GPT is like, oh, he asked for that.
14:44 Speaker 01 He told me he wanted it many times in many ways.
14:47 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like it's like the difference between knowing everything you search on your phone and chat GPT now is like, I know everything that you told your therapist, every mentor you've ever had, your boss, your friends. Yeah, like every, yeah, your medical questions.
15:00 David Imel? Yeah, totally. So it's a big opportunity, but they got to be careful. It can get crazy pretty quick.
15:06 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I don't know if you're attempting to segue talking about Facebook pixel, but.
15:12 Speaker 01 But it is.
15:13 Andrew Manganelli? Nova Launcher, not, oh no, it is getting, it's getting, uh, they added Facebook and Google track, ad tracking, uh, code into the new Nova Launcher.
15:23 Speaker 01 Into Nova Launcher?
15:24 David Imel? Didn't they get bought by a conglomerate?
15:26 Andrew Manganelli? I did a really quick, uh, TLDR of what's going on. So over the last two years, I'll just really quickly run through this. Company called Branch acquired Nova Launcher in 2022.
15:35 Speaker 01 I remember this.
15:36 Andrew Manganelli? 2024.
15:37 Speaker 04 I feel like sad music underneath this.
15:38 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Um, in 2024, there were so many layoffs to the point where the only person left as a full-time developer was the founder, Kevin Berry.
15:47 David Imel? That is such a sad sentence.
15:48 Andrew Manganelli? It is. And then Kevin put into his contract, or got put into his contract, that if he were ever to leave Branch, the code would be open source and given to the community. Then in September last year, he was told to stop working on the app and stop working on making it open source, to where then this past week, Nova was acquired by a company called InstaBridge, based in Sweden. They claim it's not shutting down, they want it to be actively maintained. They're planning on putting ads to have a sustainable business model.
16:15 Speaker 01 What the heck, dude?
16:16 Andrew Manganelli? Um, are committed to no ads in Nova Prime, which will be $3.99. Also, somewhere in here, I don't know why I didn't write it, Kevin's leaving Nova.
16:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:25 Andrew Manganelli? Um, uh, but yeah, Nova Prime will be $3.99, no ads. They did accidentally list it at $49.99 on the app. Um, been there, done that. Not a great price. Uh, but yeah, so now there are ad tracking things in Nova Launcher already. Uh, yeah.
16:44 David Imel? We did that history of SanEngineMod deep dive episode. I feel like Nova is like up there with importance, you know?
16:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I agree.
16:51 David Imel? People installed Nova on every single Samsung phone because of how bad.
16:55 Speaker 01 It's me.
16:55 David Imel? Touch was.
16:56 Andrew Manganelli? Right.
16:57 David Imel? Yeah.
16:58 Andrew Manganelli? My, yeah.
16:59 Speaker 04 I have Nova on my phone right now.
17:00 Andrew Manganelli? Do you really?
17:01 David Imel? For people that don't know, because like a lot of people don't use launchers these days, uh, Nova Launcher was basically like a stock Android launcher that you could run on your phone. People that don't know what launchers are, which is.
17:12 Speaker 01 It was just back when.
17:13 David Imel? Probably a lot of our audience now.
17:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, the home screen and the, the app drawer and all the pages and the setup would feel very different, especially visually between different types of phones. Like a Samsung phone would have all this bloop bloop touch wiz happening. And then an HTC phone would have like their famous weather widget. And then, and honestly, we all kind of prefer just a clean looking, stockish, Android looking launcher. And so if you got bloop bloop touch wiz, you would put Nova Launcher on it and it would feel so much cleaner and it would be nicer. And that was the, that was the golden days of Nova Launcher.
17:44 David Imel? Nova was effectively the Nexus UI, but it had even more settings toggles.
17:49 Speaker 01 And custom.
17:50 Andrew Manganelli? It was so good. I'm most nostalgic about my Note with Nova Launcher on it.
17:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:55 Andrew Manganelli? In terms of like my peak phone experience.
17:57 Speaker 01 Which is why I was so into the Google Play edition HTC phones, because it was all there already. Man, I'm just reminiscing now. So yeah, now it's going to be a sad like corporate shell of itself, it seems like. That's kind of disappointing. I actually started using Niagara Launcher a little more.
18:12 David Imel? Yeah.
18:12 Speaker 01 Which I've seen a little, a couple of other people using as well. It's kind of interesting. A little different style, but yeah.
18:17 Andrew Manganelli? Very different style, isn't it?
18:19 David Imel? Yeah. I mean, I was thinking the other day about how Nova, or Niagara is kind of the dumb phone kind of launcher. Because it just, it lists your app in a vertical orienta-, your apps in a vertical orientation with just the text. So there's nothing, there's no big icons to like click around on. It's just like very utilitarian. So it's very good for folding phones, by the way, because when you open like a, well, like a hamburger style folding phone. Because when you open the Z Flip 6 or whatever, it's got the longer aspect ratio, so it waterfalls down.
18:50 Andrew Manganelli? Triple fold out. Vertically, like.
18:54 Speaker 01 All your apps are everywhere.
18:55 David Imel? Yeah.
18:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:56 David Imel? Fun. So RIP Nova. That sucks. Okay. Sony, this was a big story this week, actually, which was a bit surprising. People are very, very emotional about Sony Bravia TVs, even though nobody could ever afford them. Sony announced that it is developing a division that joins forces with TCL to start a new venture. Basically, it's like a new company that the two are starting together, where Sony is going to own 49% of the company. TCL is going to own 51% of the company. And it's not, it hasn't gone through yet. Right now, they just have a memorandum of understanding, which is a very Japanese thing to do. Concepts of a plan. That's exactly what it is. It's concepts of a plan.
19:41 David Imel? They're basically in talks about how this is going to work, so I'm not really sure why they announced it publicly yet. But there's a very, very thorough article by John Higgins at The Verge about this. He spent 20 years covering TV, so you should really go read his article. And he says in the article, "There are still a couple of months before any binding agreements are drawn up, and it still has to go through regulatory approval before it can happen, so it's not complete. And even if it does pass, the new company won't go into effect until April of 2027." But anyway, effectively, this could lead to the Sony Bravia TVs being manufactured by TCL, which, if you sort of break down how the production pipeline of these TVs work anyway, what actually makes a Sony Bravia TV really high quality is not the panel they're using,
20:26 David Imel? because they don't make the panels. The panels are made by LG and TCL and these guys. It's really their SoC and their image pipeline. So theoretically, if Sony allows TCL to use their SoCs and image pipeline, TCL uses their resources for manufacturing. You could theoretically see much cheaper Bravia TVs in people's homes, because Bravias are like the most expensive TVs that you can get. They're really good, but they're really expensive.
20:52 Andrew Manganelli? Sony, it's been a while since I've been to CES, but CES being the like, big screen, everyone look at us. Sony's always like, they're not doing rolling or folding or anything, but they are like, "Damn, these look so good." And then you leave CES and you're like, "I'm not going to hear about a Sony TV to like have a CES next year and look at that, all the hairs on that panther's face again." Like, in a dark room.
21:16 David Imel? Yeah, LG's got like the tunnel of foldable TVs that makes this like aquarium, and Sony's just like...
21:23 Andrew Manganelli? Sony's always just like a dark room with like six TVs showing you the highest quality video you've ever seen.
21:29 David Imel? Yeah.
21:30 Andrew Manganelli? And then you never see it again.
21:31 David Imel? Yeah. So, I don't know, a lot of people are talking about this. Apparently, I guess I'm a little bit too young to remember this, which is something I don't usually say, because we're considered old now. Old. Yeah. But people have been talking a lot about, on social media, about how big of a deal it was if you walked into your friend's house and they had a Sony TV on the wall.
21:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, or like, yeah, because there's just, there's generations of TVs that make a big impact. Like the plasma TV stuff back in the day. If you had a friend with a plasma TV, you're like, "Whoa."
22:00 David Imel? Okay.
22:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:01 David Imel? That's nice.
22:02 Andrew Manganelli? Depending on how long ago, if you just had a TV on the wall, that was impressive. Maybe I'm just really...
22:08 David Imel? You have a TV? I still have none of those things, so nothing's changed.
22:12 Speaker 01 Now there are people actually in college that use a TV as a computer monitor.
22:17 David Imel? That's true.
22:17 Speaker 01 Cause it's a huge screen.
22:19 David Imel? Yeah.
22:19 Speaker 01 But it's cheaper.
22:20 David Imel? And on Black Friday, like a hundred dollars.
22:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, like 1080p, 49 inch screen for like $7.
22:24 David Imel? Yeah.
22:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's, that's gonna work.
22:26 David Imel? Gonna do that. It's good enough for me.
22:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:28 David Imel? Yeah.
22:29 Andrew Manganelli? I'd ask Alice's thoughts, but he knows nothing about TVs, so.
22:33 Speaker 01 Not a big TV guy.
22:34 Speaker 03 Before TVs could even go on walls, Tony, Tony.
22:39 David Imel? Tony, the TV.
22:40 Speaker 03 Did you guys know that Sony is short for Anthony? That was a Tony joke.
22:45 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
22:45 David Imel? What's Tony? Oh, Anthony.
22:48 Andrew Manganelli? And Sonny.
22:49 Speaker 03 Anyway, before TVs could.
22:50 Andrew Manganelli? I like that.
22:50 David Imel? That's pretty good.
22:52 Speaker 03 Before TVs could go on walls, Sony made like the defining contribution to the CRT with Trinitron.
23:00 David Imel? Trinitron.
23:01 Andrew Manganelli? It is Sony that that guy who like went to Japan, made that video, that was a Sony, right? Yeah, just watching how bad he wanted that TV makes me understand how big Sony was.
23:11 Speaker 03 The gist of it is that like CRTs were, were really good and color CRTs were really good. And then Sony changed the way that the color processing worked. That essentially allowed TVs, Sony TVs to be like 50 ish percent brighter than all other TVs on the market. And so it was like, it, it wasn't like CES now where it's like, oh, you can see a few more hairs on the Panthers. Like you'd go into a store and be like, oh, all the TVs are, are bad. And then there's the Sony.
23:39 David Imel? Damn, but it cost three times as much.
23:41 Speaker 03 It cost, it cost more until Sony started licensing the technology out to other companies. Then you got Diamond Tron and.
23:49 David Imel? Yeah.
23:49 Speaker 03 I don't know, man, who cares about CRTs?
23:51 Andrew Manganelli? A lot of Trons back then.
23:52 Speaker 01 Those names are tough.
23:53 David Imel? Yeah, Pegatron.
23:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:56 Speaker 01 Megatron.
23:56 David Imel? Pegatron, Trinitron, Megatron.
24:00 David Imel? One more quick, one more quick story really quickly. Speaking of ads, Threads is rolling out ads globally starting next week.
24:08 Speaker 01 Yay. Threads.
24:11 Speaker 01 Wasn't there just a bunch of stories about how Threads was just about to overtake Twitter and mobile use?
24:14 David Imel? They just did overtake Twitter and mobile use. They're still way behind them with total active users.
24:19 Speaker 01 I saw all those headlines and I'm like, but they're just putting Threads in Instagram. So can they really say that? Like, are they counting that?
24:26 David Imel? I think it's the actual app, but the thing about the Instagram Threads is that once you click on it, it automatically takes you to the App Store to download it, and then you don't even have to make an account. So I think the amount of people that they've just easily unloaded on the Threads, on board.
24:40 Speaker 01 That's like more of the story. It's like Instagram has unloaded a bunch of people onto Threads.
24:44 David Imel? Yeah.
24:44 Speaker 04 Both of them are a battle over how can we have the most impressive numbers in an article headline?
24:49 David Imel? Yeah, I guess I'm not as interested in users as much as I'm interested in usage.
24:54 Speaker 04 That's fair.
24:54 David Imel? Like, you could have a bunch of users that don't use it.
24:56 Speaker 04 I hate the usage on both of them.
24:59 David Imel? I think Threads is still in its engagement farming days, but it's starting to get a little...
25:04 Speaker 01 Aren't all social media platforms still just engagement farming?
25:08 David Imel? Well...
25:08 Speaker 04 X will pay you for it, though.
25:09 David Imel? Yes, but different types of engagement farming.
25:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:12 David Imel? Like on YouTube, there's like sophisticated engagement farming.
25:14 Speaker 04 That's what we do.
25:15 David Imel? Venmo artistic engagement farming. Venmo, Vimeo.
25:21 David Imel? It also works with... You're not wrong. Yeah, EZ Pass is just like engagement farming for cars. So yeah, Threads is in its like... I mean, I'm getting custom content now at this point on Threads that seems like pretty tailored to me, but it's still like full of also brands.
25:38 Speaker 04 I've been living great on Threads over here, over on this side.
25:40 Speaker 01 Good stuff on Threads?
25:41 Speaker 04 Good stuff on Threads.
25:42 David Imel? The problem is when you hang on a post for like a quarter second longer than you should, and then the algorithm's like, "You want more of that, baby." And you just don't. You just don't want more.
25:53 Speaker 01 So we're gonna have in... So everyone gets ads in Threads now?
25:56 David Imel? Yeah, so they started rolling out very slowly, but now they're rolling them out globally starting then next week. They say that the ad delivery will initially, initially, specific word, remain low as they reach global user availability in the coming months. Initially remain low. So get ready for all those ads, baby.
26:15 Speaker 04 That happened quicker than I thought it would, to be honest.
26:18 David Imel? Yeah.
26:18 Speaker 01 Really?
26:18 Speaker 04 Yeah. I thought it would take... I thought they would wait till they were like pretty dominant before they started turning on the ad.
26:24 David Imel? I think they are pretty dominant.
26:26 Speaker 01 I thought they'd wait till they federated.
26:29 David Imel? Yeah, they're it's over. They're not federating anymore. We got one way federation through threads and it only it only benefits them. So.
26:39 Andrew Manganelli? Would ads go through the federers?
26:41 David Imel? Uh, only if. Probably not.
26:43 Andrew Manganelli? They were federated?
26:44 Speaker 01 They're posted to.
26:45 David Imel? If they.
26:45 Andrew Manganelli? I've got a great business idea.
26:51 David Imel? Well, with that, I'd rather I'd rather talk about a trivia question than be more depressed about advertising.
26:58 Andrew Manganelli? Trivia, and then we'll get to the ads.
27:00 Speaker 01 This question brought to you by.
27:04 David Imel? This trivia question is brought to you by Meta. Sony Bravia.
27:09 Speaker 03 Guys, what does Bravia? I'm just kidding. We've already done that.
27:13 David Imel? Bolivia.
27:14 Andrew Manganelli? And we'd still all get it wrong.
27:15 Speaker 03 I don't remember either.
27:17 David Imel? That was a whole acronym, Bravia?
27:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was a trivia question.
27:20 David Imel? I remember it. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Oh, it's a backronym, right?
27:23 Speaker 03 Right.
27:24 David Imel? Beautiful.
27:25 Andrew Manganelli? Beautiful.
27:25 David Imel? Resonance. Absolutely.
27:28 Speaker 03 Resolution, audio, video.
27:31 Andrew Manganelli? I think I wasn't here for that episode because I remember listening to this in the car and trying to figure it out. Yeah.
27:36 David Imel? Anyway.
27:37 Speaker 03 Well, and their stupid laptops also had the dumb. Anyway, guys.
27:41 David Imel? The dumb.
27:41 Speaker 03 This question is about ChatGPT adding ads to the go tier, which by the way, shout out to the go tier. Somebody that I used to know is one of my favorite songs of all time.
27:52 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
27:53 Speaker 03 Uh, thanks, Marques.
27:54 Speaker 01 That was horrible.
27:55 David Imel? Wait, I'm trying.
27:55 Speaker 01 You should not be crying about that.
27:57 David Imel? Oh, go. Wait, that was really good. Wait, actually?
28:01 Speaker 03 When Ellis is tired, he's on.
28:03 Andrew Manganelli? I like your cooking. I like the Anthony joke better. I thought that one was a banger.
28:07 David Imel? Go tier. Wait, that's.
28:10 Speaker 03 Thanks, David.
28:10 David Imel? You're cooking, Ellis. I love it.
28:12 Speaker 03 Guys, okay, so, uh, as you mentioned, in 2024, uh, Sam Altman said that adding ads was a last resort. And in January of 2026, ads got announced that they would be added. So my question to you guys is, what took a shorter amount of time? The time between Sam Altman saying there would not be ads and saying there would be ads, or the time between Google Stadia being released? And canceled?
28:44 David Imel? Hmm.
28:45 Speaker 01 Released?
28:46 Speaker 03 Not announced, like from shelf to done.
28:49 David Imel? Negative latency.
28:50 Speaker 01 Wow.
28:51 Speaker 03 What was quicker?
28:52 Andrew Manganelli? Stadia is such, such, it's such a cool thing. I'm still seeing articles about like the Stadia controller lost this, but don't worry, here's how to like get it back. And I'm like, oh my, people are still at this.
29:03 David Imel? Google was good. Google is often 10 years too early to things and Stadia was one of them. Like Microsoft Game Pass is very, very popular.
29:12 Speaker 03 Xbox Cloud.
29:14 David Imel? Xbox.
29:15 Speaker 03 Cloud.
29:16 David Imel? That's just what it's called.
29:17 Andrew Manganelli? Well, because Game Pass is just getting the games via a subscription rate and then cloud is the compute on the cloud.
29:25 David Imel? It's just called cloud.
29:25 Andrew Manganelli? Or like GeForce Now.
29:27 Speaker 03 GeForce Now is the Nvidia.
29:28 Andrew Manganelli? That's the Nvidia version.
29:29 David Imel? Well, anyway, the wow, showing my age here.
29:32 Speaker 01 Google Glass is also 10 years.
29:34 Andrew Manganelli? I remember.
29:34 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, again, Google is very often 10 years too early to things, but the Microsoft version of game streaming is extremely popular. Google had. Get off of that website. I'm just looking at other, why is this going to be trivia later?
29:47 Speaker 03 Well, no, Stadia.
29:48 Andrew Manganelli? It's gonna be on there.
29:49 Speaker 03 It's gonna be.
29:50 David Imel? Oh, oh, oh, sorry.
29:52 David Imel? Look at all these other things that were ahead of their time and then died.
29:55 Speaker 03 I'll be, I, I, I've played my hand, I've played a handful of Xbox Cloud on my, I've got pretty fast during at home, you know?
30:02 David Imel? Flex.
30:02 Andrew Manganelli? Name all the games.
30:03 Speaker 03 Uh, it's, it doesn't really work, or at least it didn't work that well for me. I found, I guess I was playing games that required like pretty low latency, but.
30:13 David Imel? Yeah.
30:14 Speaker 03 No, like 2K, like 2K is pretty much impossible on, on cloud.
30:18 David Imel? My one claim to flame is that I put the, I put out the first ever Stadia review on the internet. Uh, and then I went on the Pierce Morgan show to talk about Stadia.
30:29 Speaker 03 Wait, you were on Pierce Morgan?
30:31 David Imel? I have a, I have an IMDb that I did not make that someone made for me because I appeared on the Pierce Morgan show. Yeah.
30:37 Speaker 03 Can we, can we play that clip on the, on the?
30:41 David Imel? Yeah, it's not a video clip.
30:42 Andrew Manganelli? So you're telling me?
30:43 David Imel? Oh, it is a video clip.
30:44 Andrew Manganelli? I forgot.
30:44 David Imel? It is a video.
30:44 Andrew Manganelli? You play a game and it's not on your computer? Waveform has an IMDb and it only has Marquez and some random guy who included himself in it. Richard Cannon the third.
30:57 Speaker 04 Legend.
30:58 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know.
31:00 Speaker 01 Anyway, my point is that Stadia would be very popular right now and RIP. But the controllers are very good and you can turn them into standard Bluetooth controllers.
31:09 Speaker 04 I'm so mad I got rid of mine.
31:10 David Imel? It's huge.
31:11 Speaker 01 Yeah. All right, well, we'll think about that trivia question. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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33:28 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. We got to talk about this OnePlus drama a little bit. It's kind of all over the place, but if you've been on social media for the past four days or so, you may have seen some of this arc. We can do our best to break down what happened versus what didn't happen.
33:46 Speaker 01 But yeah, so OnePlus, for those of you who know, smartphone company, subset of BBK Electronics. They make this one right here, this OnePlus 15. I've been using it for a while. It's nice. But they've been making phones for a while, ever since the OnePlus 1 days, when they were like a cult favorite.
33:59 David Imel? Yeah, that's right.
34:00 Speaker 01 And then so over this past week, this article popped up on Android headlines that was titled "Exclusive: OnePlus is Being Dismantled." And this is kind of a shocker headline because they're a company that exists and seems to be doing okay, maybe a little bit quiet lately, maybe a little bit downward trending lately, but...
34:21 Andrew Manganelli? Can I explain a little context that kind of makes sense of why this article hitting here?
34:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:26 Andrew Manganelli? Just like since the start of the year, there's been some, there's been a bunch of random articles here and there about like maybe BBK slash like Oppo and then sub-brands OnePlus getting in the news. One of them is that Realme is going back to being considered a sub-brand of Oppo.
34:45 Andrew Manganelli? They originally were, then they left after a year, now they're coming back. Part of that Oppo is saying is to improve resource management and Oppo's global expansion strategy. I know that's not OnePlus exactly, but you know, general branding around there. There's some rumors that then got deleted about the OnePlus 16 maybe not coming to the US. And then Pete Lau also right now has an arrest warrant in Taiwan for illegal business and recruitment activities.
35:12 David Imel? I forgot about that.
35:12 Andrew Manganelli? Allegedly. So yeah, there's, there's a reason OnePlus is, it's hot right now in the tech world, at least, in specific tech world. So like, this article talks about a lot of those things, but...
35:27 Andrew Manganelli? It makes sense why it came out right now.
35:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, you mean the article?
35:30 Andrew Manganelli? The article, yeah.
35:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. So I saw that headline. I was like, oh, that's really interesting. So I read the entire article. A couple of things stuck out to me. Uh, one was nothing was actually exclusive or new about OnePlus actually being dismantled, but it was a bunch of publicly available, but information about the trends with OnePlus lately and the rumors and the types of sort of summarizing, putting everything in one place. So that was.
35:56 David Imel? Note on the summarizing.
35:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, maybe a little bit of.
35:59 David Imel? Heavy on the summarizing.
36:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, people might, first of all, use the word clickbait to describe something that says exclusive in all caps and then doesn't have exclusives. But the other thing was it was, it felt very much written by chat GPT. Like, I read the whole thing and it was by the third of the waypoint, it was painfully obvious that it was like structured the same way over and over and over again, uh, to which the author, I guess, later admitted that he, it like updated the headline. It was like, yeah, I did use AI to structure this.
36:25 Andrew Manganelli? But to clear that up, they originally had made the post that it was written by someone named Alex Maxim at Android Headlines. Then everyone started saying, this is AI because of it had a lot of, what do they like to do? A lot of like if X then Y.
36:40 David Imel? It's like, it's not, it's not this. It's actually this. This wasn't just a this. It was a whole bit like something like.
36:47 Andrew Manganelli? And then the M dashes are always like.
36:50 David Imel? Justice for the freaking M dash, man. I used to use that shit all the time.
36:54 Andrew Manganelli? Don't use it.
36:54 David Imel? I can't even use it anymore.
36:56 Andrew Manganelli? It's, yeah, it's like an extra finger. It's just such proof that it's AI.
37:01 David Imel? I just never want to end my sentences, you know? You just gotta just stop using periods and dashes only.
37:07 Andrew Manganelli? Let's recreate the ellipses, but with commas and just use that instead. Three commas.
37:12 Speaker 01 You know what's funny? When I do my script writing in Google Docs, I use dashes, ellipses and semicolons to indicate in my own head, a different type of pause. And it's just, I, I'm reading it a certain way because I know what that means to my brain, but now online, it means this was written with AI. So I can't use this ever outside of my script writing, but yeah, it is what it is.
37:34 Andrew Manganelli? But so originally it was said it was written by Alex and then after it got all the flack online about it being written by AI, he came out and said, this was not written by me. It just had my name to then which Chris. Yakulik, the owner of Android Headlines, said that he wrote it and then admitted to using AI in it, claiming, um, he said, "As the site owner, I made the decision to use AI assistance in structuring this article. Everything else is human work, including the entire investigation reporting from independent sources, current and former employees, Chinese Business Publication Research, and four analyst firms." But like,
38:12 Speaker 01 Okay.
38:12 Andrew Manganelli? There's so many red flags going on here.
38:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, red flag number one, why hide that at the beginning? That was, why, why put a different person's name on it? Why do any of that? Why not write your own article?
38:27 Speaker 01 It's just a bunch of weird things going on here. And then also, yeah, I don't know, this doesn't, it didn't convince me that, uh, I don't know if you read it and were convinced at all, but it didn't convince me that OnePlus is actually like on their deathbed. Like, it seemed like it wanted to convince me. So, yeah, there's a lot of things that are going on with OnePlus, like you mentioned, that are really interesting to follow and that sort of represent like the end of an arc of what was once a really, really hot brand and is now just kind of like, uh, corporate, like, sub-brand going back to like its roots. But, yeah, it, it was just kind of a disappointment to me.
39:00 David Imel? Yeah, it's one of those things where it put a lot of things in one article that I think could have been a useful article if you wanted to say, "Here's everything that's going on with OnePlus right now."
39:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:11 David Imel? But slapping an exclusive badge on it and offering no exclusive information is like very clickbaity.
39:16 Andrew Manganelli? And then putting a different author, because it seems like he maybe has had more, uh, like viral, uh,
39:23 Speaker 01 Posts.
39:24 Andrew Manganelli? Posts lately, so they seem to put it on him to try and maybe get some more traction from it.
39:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:29 Andrew Manganelli? Now, if I'm that author, I'm not happy because now it looks like I did a bunch of-
39:34 Speaker 01 I know what we're titled in this episode.
39:39 Andrew Manganelli? Well, exclusive M dash, brand new OnePlus M dash drama.
39:43 David Imel? OnePlus isn't dead, it's actually alive.
39:47 Speaker 01 That's what we're titling.
39:48 David Imel? OnePlus has since come out and just clarified that they are not shutting down. They said, recent unverified reports claiming OnePlus is shutting down are false. So there's that.
39:58 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah. And then they said OnePlus India's business operations continue as normal. This was because this is OnePlus India responding, correct? Just to be fully clear on that.
40:07 David Imel? Yeah. And a lot of people are like, well, that's just the India team that's saying they're not closing. And it's like, you know, maybe it could happen. I think that there's a lot of reasoning why Oppo might want to simplify their lineup again. The Oppo brand is very popular in China and different parts of Europe because Oppo phones are sold in different parts of Europe. And, you know, they tried to change the OnePlus UI to Color OS. And then they just changed the name back to Oxygen OS, but it's still Color OS, which is good. It's a good OS.
40:38 Speaker 01 It's one of the things that was interesting to me about this because I still am like thinking a lot about OnePlus. And the existence of sub-brands and why companies use them is always interesting to me. Like, why do you have Lexus as a sub-brand of Toyota? Because you can't really sell such a pricey car with a Toyota badge. So you have this, this badge, like this is what a Genesis is, this is what a lot of other companies do.
41:00 Andrew Manganelli? CMF.
41:01 Speaker 01 CMF again. So, so Oppo is a huge popular company in one market. But the same company wants to use a new brand called OnePlus to get into other markets that aren't as excited about buying something from Oppo. And they kind of had some success, like in the US and in India. And people were getting really excited about OnePlus phones. I remember the OnePlus One being impossible to get and like the invite system and the Cyanogen mod collab and all of that. So following all that was very exciting.
41:31 Andrew Manganelli? You can get OnePlus stuff at carriers in the US now. Like, it felt like for a long time, new phone companies were not in carriers in the US.
41:38 David Imel? Yeah, for sure.
41:39 Speaker 01 It was so hard to get a new phone company off the ground, all the way to the point where you could actually sell it to a real human in the US. If you aren't in the US, You probably aren't as familiar, but for those in the US, you know, like it's mostly Samsung and Apple phones in stores here. They've made the deals. There's some Motorola stuff. There's the prepaid carrier stuff, but like if you want to come in and spend $800 or whatever premium flagship money on a phone, the options are slim and it was so hard to get on the shelf alongside those, let alone get enough market share. Like the Pixel is at like 2%.
42:10 David Imel? Yeah, I was just gonna say even Pixel took so long just to get on shelves.
42:13 Speaker 01 And that's Google trying to do, right? So imagine a new company trying to get along. So the story was really exciting and OnePlus got very far. And as far as the enthusiast crowd goes, they kind of had a stranglehold on like, I remember so many of my friends buying OnePlus phones because it was like, you know, the OnePlus 7 versus all the other phones I could get for the same money is unreal deal. So yeah, the arc of OnePlus has been fascinating to follow. Now, I mean, I use the OnePlus 15. They still, to an extent, represent a lot of good things. Like this is still one of the cleaner versions of Android with their, again, we were talking about launchers earlier, but the skin, great specs, still pricey. Yeah, they're still good enough phones that we should keep them around. So we don't want OnePlus going anywhere, but.
42:58 David Imel? Yeah, there's a couple of major reasons why these brands like to make these sub-brands. I mean, obviously you gotta, you gotta subdivide. You need to know this brand represents luxury, right? Like Louis Vuitton is never going to sell like a $40 sneaker or something, or a $40 bag, whatever they make, bags, bags.
43:15 David Imel? But the other big reason, hey, I'm not a fashionista. We all know this. I bought this for $5 at the. I see that Gucci belt you've got on right now. You're not fooling us.
43:26 Speaker 01 Anyway, but the other reason is that a lot of Chinese brands want to basically sneak their way into the United States. This has happened a million times. Like the US government doesn't know that Hasselblad's owned by DJI. You know what I mean? They just don't know. That's like, that's why they try to make it such a big deal that they're like, oh, don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. Even though when you send in your Hasselblad camera for service, it goes to the DJI headquarters. They're like, but we're not. Anyway, a lot of phone companies have done that because I'm trying to remember the brand, Adam, you might remember the brand that we got put on the, besides Huawei, that got put on the entity list that like, was it Honor or?
44:05 David Imel? There was another phone brand that in 2017 or so got basically forced to stop selling phones in the United States.
44:12 Speaker 01 Huawei was a popular one.
44:13 David Imel? Huawei was the main one.
44:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:15 David Imel? But effectively, like, when the US government realizes that a company is Chinese, they get really nervous about it, especially telecoms companies, you know, networking companies. So, I mean, OnePlus, in a large way, was a way for Oppo, BBK Group, to get their devices in many more markets. And the fact that the original OnePlus ethos of like, "We're community oriented, we're doing all these community events and this and this and this," is like, "We're homegrown, but we're just, you know, owned by a giant mega corporation."
44:47 Speaker 01 It was the flagship killer.
44:49 David Imel? Yeah.
44:49 Speaker 01 Hmm.
44:50 David Imel? But especially now, with there being a lot more tensions heating up between the United States and China.
44:56 Andrew Manganelli? And everyone.
44:56 David Imel? And everyone. The tariffs that are probably going to make it really hard for them to keep selling OnePlus phones in this, in the Western world for the price that they sell it at. You could see a big reason why they might want to pull back and just be like, "You know what? OnePlus is not doing as well as we thought. Oppo phones are actually still selling really well." It's just that, like, this article is just, it's, it's jumping to a lot of conclusions.
45:20 Speaker 01 They jumped.
45:21 Andrew Manganelli? It had the opportunity to, like, maybe have a, or potentially still does have a good bunch of interesting information, but you kind of shoot yourself in the foot when you put that title, do the weird author switch, use AI and a bunch, like, you've just turned it into a big laughing stock kind of at that point, which is not a great look.
45:41 David Imel? Not a great look. Um, yeah, multiple different OnePlus, kind of, uh, heads of social media have come out and been like, "The rumors of my death are highly exaggerated."
45:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:52 Speaker 04 Okay, question for you guys.
45:53 Andrew Manganelli? No.
45:54 Speaker 04 In, okay, never mind. Onwards. Um, what was peak OnePlus phone to you? Because Miles and I and Andrew a little this morning, we're talking about this and we all had different answers.
46:04 David Imel? Seventy.
46:05 Andrew Manganelli? That's what I said.
46:06 Speaker 01 That's what I was.
46:07 Andrew Manganelli? Argued against as the seven over seventy.
46:09 David Imel? Seventy is better.
46:10 Speaker 01 I think they had two peaks. I think the seven and seventy and seventeen. T Pro are is one of the peaks and I think the one plus one is the other peak.
46:20 Speaker 04 I would say one plus one as well.
46:22 Andrew Manganelli? Is the peak? It's the start.
46:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I don't think.
46:24 Andrew Manganelli? You think they peaked right off the bat?
46:25 Speaker 01 I think they peaked right off the bat.
46:27 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know what the peak was? The Poco phone P one, P H one or whatever, F one?
46:31 Speaker 01 I just, I think the one plus one peaked in some ways. It wasn't their best phone ever or their, but it was one of the best deals ever. And it was one of the biggest hype machines ever and people got, it was one of those rare things where it actually lived up to the hype. I think that's why it felt like a peak.
46:46 David Imel? The one plus three was the phone where a lot of the people in my life that knew sort of about technology and wanted a good deal started being like, I'm hearing a lot about this one plus three phone. And I knew a lot of people who actually bought the one plus three. It was easier to buy because you didn't have to go through the invite system and everything.
47:01 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I think Miles was agreeing with me. He just had the wrong thing that, because he was like the one with the pop up selfie camera and that was the seven T Pro.
47:10 Speaker 04 Oh, I thought he said the McLaren edition, which was.
47:13 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, no. That was, no, but he thought the seven Pro was the one with the pop up selfie camera, but the seven T Pro is it, which then was the McLaren edition, right?
47:21 Speaker 04 The pop up selfie camera was the Miata edition.
47:24 David Imel? Hey, the seven T Pro was a phone that I could have used forever, a long time. The main problem was the ghost touches on the, on the corners, on the sides, because it had a wrap around screen and I swear that thing was tapping all over the place.
47:40 Speaker 01 That was a downside I would be willing to live with for all the upsides of that phone. It was so, so fast, great, great software optimization.
47:47 David Imel? Really good screen.
47:48 Speaker 01 The whole fast and smooth thing was like very appreciated. And now here we are on the fifteen. The fifteen is still one of the absolute fastest and smoothest phones, but lots of phones are fast and smooth like that now.
47:59 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
48:00 Speaker 04 So. Yeah, I was wondering before, because you've been using the fifteen now for weeks.
48:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:05 Speaker 04 Uh, how does this compare to like in your Mount Rushmore in your head of one plus phones? Is this on there already or is this still working its way up?
48:14 Speaker 01 So the battery life of the fifteen has elevated it a lot for me over other phones I could be using. Um, I think that combined with fast and smooth and clean software is why I'm still using. The camera is such a huge letdown, which is what's dragging it down from like possible peak status.
48:31 Andrew Manganelli? That's why I bought a Hasselblad.
48:34 Speaker 01 Gotta get the Hasselblad stuff somewhere, so I bought a Hasselblad. No, it's, it's, it's one of the best phones still, but it's in like the arc of OnePlus. It's definitely not one of their all time best, but it is like convenient that they jumped on the silicon carbon thing early and executed it well.
48:50 Speaker 04 Like, I wonder if in 10 years, will you be remembering this phone fondly?
48:54 Speaker 01 Not like the, not like the peak phones. Yeah, Carl Pei left right after the peak. It's like right as the, the stock is hitting the top and then it starts to go. He left after the 8T.
49:04 Andrew Manganelli? The 8T.
49:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
49:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
49:07 Speaker 01 I think that was the one that was, the 8 was like locked to Verizon. And, oh, it didn't have the 5G band and it was 100, or it did have the 5G band, the millimeter wave band, but it was a hundred dollars more if you bought it on Verizon, but you had to buy that model. Yeah, I want to do a quick exercise.
49:22 Andrew Manganelli? I really can't remember.
49:23 Speaker 01 Like a jumping jack. Exercise I want to do is I'm going to read you the titles. The titles I used for all of the OnePlus reviews. Ooh. Okay, so the OnePlus 1 review is just called the OnePlus 1 review, right? They, the OnePlus 2 review didn't have a subtitle, but it was called the flagship killer and got the full review treatment. OnePlus 3 review was a third attempt at a killer flagship and it was, uh, it had that metal jacket. Then I started doing titles. So there's no OnePlus 4 because 4 is bad luck. So no 4.
49:56 Andrew Manganelli? I think 5 is when I, was it 2017? Did that come out?
50:00 Speaker 01 The OnePlus 5, I have it here, was, yeah, 2017, 6 million views, super stupid.
50:06 Andrew Manganelli? So that's when I started.
50:07 Speaker 01 Then.
50:08 Andrew Manganelli? I love the 5T.
50:09 Speaker 01 OnePlus 6 review was my most reviewed, my most viewed phone review I had ever made at the time. Also, they just pumped it up with a bunch of other.
50:19 Speaker 01 A bunch of extra views, so it was 22 million views. Title is right on the money.
50:24 Andrew Manganelli? It's a great title.
50:25 Speaker 01 A plus for the price. Then the OnePlus 6T, new design, same price. Then the OnePlus 7.
50:31 Andrew Manganelli? You could use that for every T model, pretty much.
50:35 Speaker 01 OnePlus 7 review is way under the radar. OnePlus 7 Pro review is silly fast.
50:40 David Imel? Silly.
50:41 Speaker 01 Then OnePlus 7T, high refresh, low price. And 7T Pro, tiny tweaks to excellence. Now we get to OnePlus 8. OnePlus 8 review, special no more.
50:57 Speaker 01 OnePlus 8 Pro review, finally a flagship. OnePlus 9 review, sneaky value. And OnePlus 9 Pro review, a huge Hasselblad promise.
51:07 Andrew Manganelli? Can I say, even the title, finally a flagship, almost feels like a negative title in the arc of OnePlus. Like, its whole thing is flagship killer. And when it, it almost feels like you're saying that they, like, um, conformed to like everything.
51:23 Speaker 01 Killer anymore.
51:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. They're the flagship, AKA, the shit pricey.
51:27 Speaker 01 The thing that's about to be killed by the next killer.
51:29 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, the popo phone.
51:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. I, I was reading my review titles for the OnePlus phones. Uh, for the 7T, I titled the review, OnePlus 7T, is it too good?
51:40 Andrew Manganelli? So good.
51:41 Speaker 01 Then OnePlus 8 and OnePlus 8 Pro, I titled, what should have been?
51:44 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, wow.
51:45 Speaker 01 And then, uh, I, immediately after I made a video.
51:48 David Imel? Oh, these are the worst ones.
51:49 Speaker 01 I made a video immediately after this, literally called, is OnePlus turning into Oppo?
51:53 Andrew Manganelli? All of these would be made better if you put exclusive at the beginning. What's the?
51:57 Speaker 01 So I have three in a row for the last, near, you can tell they're no longer on their peak. I made a video called, what happened to OnePlus? Then I made a video called, OnePlus 10 Pro impressions, what happened? OnePlus 10 T impressions, somebody that you used to know?
52:12 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, wait.
52:15 Andrew Manganelli? There's no way that went full circle.
52:17 David Imel? Yeah.
52:17 Andrew Manganelli? That's like John Oliver, where he makes a reference in the beginning and pulls it back at the end.
52:21 David Imel? That was the real title.
52:22 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
52:23 David Imel? Damn, pretty good.
52:24 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say, the, he needs to put the meme of like, uh, what is it? Who from The Simpsons goes like, you can see the exact moment his heart rips in half. Like, that's seventeen to eight.
52:35 David Imel? Yeah, you can see it. And that's when Carl Pele left. So the arc is real. Uh, the thirteen and fifteen are good phones, but you can see when the peak was pretty clearly.
52:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:44 David Imel? Reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated.
52:47 Speaker 01 Let's say a quick ad break. And do some trivia.
52:54 Speaker 04 Trivia, dude. So, earlier in the show, we spoke about Netflix adding live voting to their service. Uh, we also spoke about American Idol, which you may or may not know. The first episode aired in two thousand and two. So here's your question.
53:12 David Imel? Kelly Clarkson.
53:13 Speaker 04 No, it was Clay Akon.
53:14 Andrew Manganelli? Um, Rupert.
53:16 David Imel? Akon. Rupert Murdoch.
53:17 Speaker 04 How old was Ellis when the first episode aired?
53:21 David Imel? In two thousand and two?
53:22 Andrew Manganelli? What month did it air?
53:24 David Imel? What month?
53:25 Speaker 04 Thank you for asking. It aired June of two thousand and two.
53:29 David Imel? This question is just how old was Ellis?
53:32 Speaker 04 That's all the information you get.
53:34 David Imel? I know that. I know that. How old are you, Ellis?
53:37 Andrew Manganelli? No.
53:38 Speaker 04 Don't worry about it.
53:38 David Imel? Wait, so you remember Ellis's birthday?
53:40 Speaker 04 June of two thousand and two was the first episode.
53:42 David Imel? June of two thousand and two.
53:43 Speaker 04 So how old?
53:44 David Imel? I'm twelve.
53:46 Andrew Manganelli? I can't remember Ellis's birthday.
53:48 Speaker 04 I had to ask him.
53:49 David Imel? Twenty, but he hasn't had his birthday. It's.
53:51 Speaker 03 I'll give you, I can give you a hint.
53:53 Andrew Manganelli? What is, uh, what's the last letter of the?
53:55 Speaker 03 Hint for my birthday? It's also my dad's birthday.
53:59 David Imel? I actually do know your.
54:00 Andrew Manganelli? That's actually.
54:01 David Imel? But only because I went to your birthday party last year.
54:02 Speaker 03 Runs in my family. Like, no, I'm not joking. Like, there's a bunch of members in my family that all have my birthday.
54:07 Andrew Manganelli? No way.
54:08 David Imel? That's kind of sick.
54:09 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know what to think of that.
54:10 Speaker 03 I don't know if that actually works, but I was.
54:13 David Imel? Your dad was born at the exact, on the same day and same time as you, on the same year?
54:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, same year and everything.
54:19 David Imel? Your dad and you were twins?
54:22 Speaker 03 Clones.
54:23 David Imel? Clones. Oh, that makes sense.
54:24 Speaker 03 My birthday runs in my family and proof that it, it, there's something going on is I was born like really premature. Like, I was not supposed to be born anywhere close to my dad's birthday, and yet I was like.
54:35 David Imel? That explains it. You rolled up, you're like, what day is it?
54:38 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, oh, oh. He probably had some sweet plans that day. Dinner.
54:44 Speaker 03 Not anymore.
54:45 David Imel? How long did you cook after you came out of the womb?
54:47 Speaker 03 How did I cook after I came out of the womb? I have no idea what you're asking.
54:52 David Imel? If you were premature, you know.
54:54 Speaker 03 Are you asking how premature I was? How long did I cook?
54:58 David Imel? Yeah, you still have to... Your brain had to continue to develop.
55:01 Speaker 03 No, I popped out the womb. I immediately pirated a copy of that whole studio and I went to work, man.
55:07 David Imel? That makes sense, bro. That makes sense. All right.
55:09 Speaker 03 Sick. We'll be right back.
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56:59 Andrew Manganelli? All right. Welcome back. There was a Verizon outage last week and pretty, I mean, it is exactly what it sounded like. Verizon was just straight up out in the US for like hours, right?
57:11 Speaker 03 I am a Verizon customer and I never lost service. I was so confused.
57:15 Speaker 01 It wasn't everybody. It was.
57:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it was like. It seems like a lot of people.
57:19 Speaker 03 Maybe it's because I'm a visible customer, but I thought that was a Verizon network, but yeah.
57:23 Andrew Manganelli? I think I, I read that the like, the, what's the website? Is it down or something like that?
57:28 Speaker 01 Is it down right now?
57:28 Andrew Manganelli? I'd like over 175,000 queries or something about Verizon. But so it went out around like 4pm EST, four hours, like a very long time. I think it was till pretty late at night. Anyways, I'll quickly, I just want to know, they wound up giving a $20 credit to everybody.
57:49 Speaker 01 Hell, yeah.
57:51 Andrew Manganelli? In one way, if you're thinking about like prorating a month long contract, a couple hours is worth way less than $20.
57:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:59 Andrew Manganelli? But at the same time, if it was like, if I had my GPS going or I had to like pick up a kid from school or an event, like prorated minute by minute, $20 is like more than enough. The amount of stress and like, uh, how annoying that would be for those hours is not even close to like, I would pay $20 to just get my service back at that point. So what do we think is, do we think that's an appropriate credit? It never is.
58:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's the thing. I, there's no way to accurately assess the amount of convenience or inconvenience you've caused and like appropriately compensate everyone. So them deciding to give $20 to every customer who lost service is like, that's, that seems fine. Some people are going to be disappointed because they had worse inconveniences. Some people are going to be like, I didn't even notice it was out and they just got 20 bucks. Yeah, it's, that's just kind of the way.
58:50 David Imel? I'm also like, I'm not, you know, I'm always for like corporations can give money to people. It's fine. They're really, really wealthy. But, you know, giving every single Verizon customer 20 bucks is kind of a lot of money.
59:03 Andrew Manganelli? I'm assuming it's based on outages, but that's still so, so much.
59:07 David Imel? It's a lot of money. And it means that their, their, what is it, January, their January revenue is gonna be down like.
59:13 Andrew Manganelli? Well, didn't you also have to go, I believe you had to claim it. So it was like, you had to go into the app or the website or something.
59:20 David Imel? Which like 20 people did.
59:21 Andrew Manganelli? Exactly.
59:21 David Imel? Okay, never mind. They should have given people a lot more money.
59:24 Speaker 01 How many things go down and you don't get, like, how many times is your Comcast or your home internet or whatever? You don't, you don't get money back for that. And it probably caused you some inconvenience.
59:33 David Imel? Yeah.
59:33 Speaker 01 How many times does YouTube go down and you don't get your premium money back or whatever?
59:37 David Imel? Yeah.
59:38 Andrew Manganelli? And it sucks.
59:39 David Imel? Yeah.
59:39 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, I had my like flight canceled one time because they claimed it was weather, but it was like weather from three days ago that they were just still backed up on, which then eventually after enough people complained, they gave me like 30,000 miles. It's like, not even close to the trip. I guess I still got my miles back, but like I had to cancel non-refundable hotels, all sorts of, I lost like $2,000 or something on it. It's like, cool, 30,000 miles is like, I could maybe get like two Diet Cokes on the way, like it's, it's nothing.
1:00:11 Speaker 03 The, the last time I flew, I won't, I won't shame them here, but the last time I flew, the last time I flew American Airlines, they.
1:00:19 David Imel? Why not shame them? They're like the worst airline.
1:00:22 Speaker 03 They rebooked, I had a layover somewhere and they rebooked the first leg of the flight to get in after the layover was gonna get in, in a random city that I knew no one in. And then I was like, I got there. Two hours after my layover had left, no more flights the rest of the day. And I go up to the American person and I was like, so, um, my ho- my hotel. And they were like, no, you're sleeping at the airport, buddy. Like.
1:00:49 Andrew Manganelli? And then imagine your Verizon's out.
1:00:51 Speaker 03 And then guess, and then guess how much they offered me?
1:00:54 Andrew Manganelli? I bet you it was like a $15.
1:00:57 Speaker 03 It was zero dollars. It was literally zero dollars.
1:01:00 David Imel? Dang. So shout out to Verizon.
1:01:05 Speaker 03 Only in New Jersey? Was the outage only in New Jersey?
1:01:08 Speaker 01 It was enough that I saw memes on threads that day about Verizon peeing out. So it was pretty widespread, probably. Maybe Staten Island. Yeah.
1:01:15 Andrew Manganelli? There's a lot.
1:01:16 Speaker 03 Just wanna get that in there.
1:01:17 Speaker 01 Memes on threads.
1:01:18 Speaker 03 Staten Island, New Jersey?
1:01:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:19 David Imel? Staten Island, New Jersey.
1:01:20 Andrew Manganelli? Get out of here.
1:01:21 Speaker 01 Alright, well, I got one more story for you guys, and that is, it's January, and every January, Neil Mohan, or whoever is the CEO of YouTube at the time, puts out a letter as a sort of a state of the union of what's going on on YouTube, and it's usually pretty informative. I will say, I appreciate a little peek behind the curtain into what YouTube is planning on emphasizing and working towards in the upcoming year, because we're YouTubers. We wanna know ahead of time as much as possible what's gonna go down on this platform and how to prepare for it and how to maybe even take advantage of stuff that's gonna be emphasized. So, I read it. It was an interesting blog post, and I have some highlights that I'll share with you, and maybe I can get your reactions on what you think of some of these things. Some of them, I think, are pretty generic, but some of them, I thought were like little nuggets that
1:02:04 Speaker 01 were really interesting buried in here. So, the sort of headliner one that you kind of expect them to say every year is, "Breaking news, YouTube's still really huge."
1:02:14 Andrew Manganelli? Exclusive.
1:02:14 Speaker 03 Exclusive.
1:02:15 Speaker 01 Really big.
1:02:16 Andrew Manganelli? YouTube big.
1:02:18 David Imel? Are you serious?
1:02:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, it turns out they're an enormous website.
1:02:21 David Imel? Dude, that's no way.
1:02:22 Speaker 01 Biggest streamer, biggest podcast platform, biggest video library.
1:02:25 Speaker 03 What are your sources?
1:02:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, sources are, I use it every day. It's pretty huge.
1:02:29 Speaker 03 Did you come up with that via ChatGPT?
1:02:30 Speaker 01 No, I swear, this is, this had to come from the CEO himself. So, yeah, that's still true. Great, they emphasize all of that. Creators are real businesses now, like the creator economy is still mostly YouTube, and it's, it's good that they sort of reemphasize this, because we're on lots of other platforms where it's like, you could have a business on Instagram, or you could have a business on Facebook, you could have a content creation TikTok business, but at the end of the day, the most stable version of that is a YouTube one.
1:02:59 David Imel? Everything else is so volatile.
1:03:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, they've just reminded us that that's true again, so I wasn't shocked by that.
1:03:03 David Imel? Yeah.
1:03:05 Speaker 01 There was a brief focus on making YouTube safer for kids and people who are of learning ages. There's a quote that 79% of teachers in the US who use YouTube agree that it helps students learn, which I thought was an interesting phrasing, because I thought they were gonna say, 79% of teachers in the US use YouTube to help students learn. But no, it was 79% of the teachers who do use YouTube then think it helps students learn.
1:03:28 David Imel? I think nine out of ten.
1:03:29 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, wait, hold on.
1:03:30 Speaker 03 There's 21% of teachers who are like, "Yeah, we watch YouTube in class. It doesn't actually do anything, but that's one in five."
1:03:36 David Imel? Yeah, well, I think nine out of 10 people would only buy a new car if it had Apple CarPlay in it.
1:03:41 Speaker 01 Which is interesting, not all teachers use YouTube and not all of them who use it agree that it helps students learn, but 79% of them do. I hear from teachers all the time who are like, "I showed your video about this business to my business class in college and it was very helpful. Thank you." I hear that all the time. So it was cool.
1:03:58 Speaker 01 They also will let you set the timer for scrolling shorts on your kid's account to zero.
1:04:03 David Imel? Can you do that for a second?
1:04:05 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that was my first, I was just...
1:04:08 Andrew Manganelli? I, wait, that legit, I was just thinking that in the car this morning. I was like, I deleted Twitter, I deleted Instagram, I deleted TikTok, I, all the shorts things, but I need YouTube for work. And I, my thumb just hovers, "Stop it." And it goes, "If I could have that, I would love that timer."
1:04:25 Speaker 01 I think it's a parental control, but you might as well be able to do that.
1:04:28 David Imel? Can you be the parent and the kid?
1:04:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:04:30 David Imel? On your own account? You can if you're Ellis.
1:04:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, set up parental controls and then flip. That's a good one.
1:04:37 Andrew Manganelli? We're very refraining. Yeah, it's a good one.
1:04:40 Speaker 01 But that's, you should set up parental controls and then log into your kid's account.
1:04:44 David Imel? Ellis, do you want to be my dad on my YouTube account? I can set you as my guardian.
1:04:47 Andrew Manganelli? We can be each other's dad.
1:04:48 Speaker 03 Yes!
1:04:49 Speaker 01 So anyway, that's all good. They also had a statement that was very definitive. "This is all in service of empowering parents to protect their kids in the digital world, not from the digital world." AKA, "Please keep letting your kids use YouTube."
1:05:00 Andrew Manganelli? It sounds like you have to protect them from 21% of teachers. Because I don't know what they're showing them, but they're not learning on it.
1:05:07 Speaker 01 Unhelpful YouTube videos?
1:05:08 David Imel? They're just watching AI slot videos.
1:05:10 Speaker 01 Yeah. There was another push, and I think this is going to continue, because this is in their letter, about making YouTube content eligible for and rewarded for, or rewarded along the same lines as like, traditional media, like Emmys and Oscars and that sort of stuff. They seem to really, they always have this like, back of the mind, like inferiority complex, like, they always have to prove they're better than TV by doing TV stuff. I always thought it was weird.
1:05:37 David Imel? It's like, dude, you're the biggest streaming platform.
1:05:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're the biggest streamer.
1:05:40 David Imel? People should be scared of you.
1:05:41 Speaker 01 Like, you, your audience loves you for like, what you are, but they also are like, "But please, Jimmy Fallon, please put it on YouTube." Like, they always have all this TV stuff. And this is another one of those traditional media things. They're like, "Oh, but we want this stuff to win Oscars and Emmys." I, personally...
1:05:56 Speaker 01 Don't really care if YouTube videos never win Oscars and Emmys. I think there will be a future version of that at some point. That's just as valuable and prestigious.
1:06:05 David Imel? The streaming.
1:06:06 Andrew Manganelli? We're gonna win our Golden Globe and then you can feel like that.
1:06:09 Speaker 01 We, we were, I don't even remember Emmy nominated, Oscar, Retro Tech was Oscar nominated, whatever it was nominated for. And I, it was cool that it was nominated. I, that's fine. That's about as far as it would go.
1:06:21 David Imel? By a fake award show.
1:06:22 Speaker 01 The trophy wouldn't mean as much because I wasn't aiming to get the trophy.
1:06:26 Andrew Manganelli? You don't want to be an EGOT winner?
1:06:27 Speaker 01 Well, I think that some people do. I think some people aim to make a thing to win the award.
1:06:32 Andrew Manganelli? MKBHD, the show, the play?
1:06:34 Speaker 01 The play. Anyway, so that was, that was the thing in the, in the letter. Uh, then of course they had to get to the AI stuff. So here's, here's two of the more interesting nuggets. One of them is actually not AI, but it's an interesting note. Adding a way for creators to insert baked in ads into YouTube videos that can then disappear.
1:06:56 David Imel? What?
1:06:56 Speaker 01 It was just one of those little things that they just tossed in there, but that they would be working on a tool this year that lets you have a baked in, you know how we'll do like a thanks for the sponsor and it's baked in fully into the video?
1:07:07 David Imel? Yeah.
1:07:07 Speaker 01 And then there's other types of ads that are not baked in. They're like an overlay ad or a side ad or a pre-roll ad. It's a tool to allow YouTube to control how long that baked in ad is viewable and then removes it. And it was interesting hearing about that and, and I got briefed by YouTube and talked to them a bit about this. And I guess the example that this would make the most sense is let's say you have a sponsor that would look to, uh, put an ad on your channel, but can't afford, say, your whole typical viewership. But they can afford the first hundred thousand views or the first million views. So you can have an ad that is baked in and appears in the video for the first X views. And then removes when it hits that view count.
1:07:51 Speaker 01 So they can pay that lower total value for that sponsorship and they still get to get to your audience. And they got to, you know, you got to work with that company.
1:07:59 David Imel? That worries me that this is just gonna lower sponsorship rates. Like, why? Because companies know that like after a certain point in the video being public, that the views are going way down anyway. So I feel like the sponsorship, the sponsors are going to be able to be like, well, you know, since we're not getting it for the lifetime, we can pay you less.
1:08:19 Speaker 01 I think that would actually empower creators to charge more for a lifetime because videos sometimes have a longer tail and overperform. So if you're reaching out to me in the past as, let's say, whatever company, you go, hey, we want to work with MKBHD and we have this stuff and we like you, you like us, let's work together, your audience loves our product. And there is a baked in ad and that video could get the regular number of views or it could happen to get 22 million views like a random video sometimes does.
1:08:48 David Imel? Right.
1:08:49 Speaker 01 That company doesn't then pay more because of the 22 million views. They got, they just got a good deal, basically.
1:08:55 David Imel? That is sort of the chaos.
1:08:56 Speaker 03 It would also, in theory, allow creators to make more ads than videos.
1:09:02 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:03 Speaker 03 If they could get dynamically in, like, does that make sense?
1:09:05 David Imel? Yeah, you could have multiple sponsors for one video and it just like after the first hundred thousand, the second sponsor gets.
1:09:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, or it's like if you have a catalog of 20 videos, like you're, you know what I mean? I don't know, that's, no creator has just 20 videos and is getting ad deals. But you know what I mean? Like hypothetically.
1:09:24 Speaker 01 There's not many leases.
1:09:24 Speaker 03 You know, you know what I, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Go TA. But like, uh, yeah, like, like you could in theory not make a video for a month, but still take ad deals that get retroactively applied.
1:09:38 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:38 Speaker 03 It is, I also like this idea, I just want to say it because I think it'd be really fun for TV viewers if those dynamic ads played, not for me, I'm a premium subscriber, but.
1:09:50 Speaker 01 No. So here's, it would pay, you would see it as a premium.
1:09:55 Speaker 03 I know, but I love the idea of these playing in between videos. If they're, if they're, so it becomes more like a linear TV experience. Like when you're watching on your couch on your TV.
1:10:05 David Imel? Right.
1:10:05 Speaker 03 You know, instead of in the middle of a video, having to take a break and be like, here's this service that'll allegedly delete all my data. I have no idea if it will or not. Finishing a video and then instead of getting like a normal bad post roll like ad ad. Getting something made by a creator and then going to my next video. That's like.
1:10:25 Andrew Manganelli? Not what this does though.
1:10:27 Speaker 03 No, I know, but I'm saying it opens the door to that being possible.
1:10:30 Speaker 01 I mean, I guess you could put the slot at the end of the video theoretically. It wouldn't be in between, but it would be.
1:10:35 Speaker 03 No, no, I'm not saying this is what is happening. I'm saying the fact that now these sponsors are discreet. Video can be discreet video productions that are dynamically inserted and are not linked with a specific video production.
1:10:47 Speaker 01 Right.
1:10:48 Speaker 03 YouTube could in the future make the viewing experience more similar to a linear TV experience, which I think.
1:10:56 Speaker 01 I wouldn't put it past.
1:10:56 Speaker 03 I would enjoy if I wasn't a premium subscriber.
1:11:00 Andrew Manganelli? It's like, it's sure. Arguably almost works better for us if we were to come because we do post rolls so much. I see there being an issue for people who do more. Mid roll stuff because most YouTubers like to make ads come in with a great segue and stuff, but now if we're starting to like. Even if we're not going to sell second ad after first one reaches a million views. Now. I segued into something. Where did that ad start and where did it end and where did it pick up from? And now. We just lost.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:31 Andrew Manganelli? A minute of video. Is there now a weird jump there? I also want to know.
1:11:37 Andrew Manganelli? How does YouTube know this is going to be an ad that's in there? Could I just say, oh, I want to. I want to make a little Easter egg for the first 10,000 people that watch this video. Can that come in and be like, yo, here's $15 off shop at mkbhd.com for our first thousand. It's like when you go to a sporting event and you get a hat for the first 10,000 people.
1:11:57 Speaker 01 I think that'd be great. If they really incentivize people to watch the video as soon as it goes live.
1:12:01 Andrew Manganelli? Would, but does that mean we can put whatever the hell we want in here?
1:12:05 Speaker 03 So. Can we do that on podcasts already?
1:12:07 Speaker 01 Yes. Dynamically inserted ads, but just whatever you want.
1:12:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, like there's nothing stopping us in megaphone from.
1:12:13 Speaker 01 That's fair.
1:12:13 Speaker 03 Not putting an ad in the ad slot.
1:12:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. No, I think that's, that's valid. I think, I mean, this is only a single line in the letter, so I don't know. There's no.
1:12:22 Speaker 03 Yeah. Well, yes, other than, you know, the people paying us.
1:12:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah.
1:12:25 Speaker 03 But in theory, you know, if.
1:12:29 Speaker 03 In theory, if all the money just disappeared and no one wanted to sponsor it, we could just start doing whatever, man. Right? Right?
1:12:36 Speaker 01 Yeah. No, I think this is only one line in the letter, but so we don't know what the UI is going to look like or how this tool will be allowed to be used, but I do think that that is something that will happen. Yeah.
1:12:46 David Imel? There is one thing I know for sure, and that is it will break chapters.
1:12:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:52 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
1:12:52 David Imel? Already broke.
1:12:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, wait, we're about to dynamically put ads in and I still need to type out the damn numbers for chapters.
1:12:59 Speaker 01 I, we've been saying forever, chapter should be built in UI.
1:13:02 David Imel? It's crazy. There are three truths in life: death, taxes, and chapters breaking.
1:13:06 Andrew Manganelli? Breaking within the first hour.
1:13:08 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:13:09 Andrew Manganelli? But I think some people are going to be mad at this because now technically, so if you're a YouTube premium subscriber, you don't want ads. That's a big reason why you pay for it. Previously, YouTube couldn't control the ads that people bake into videos. Now they are kind of controlling it, and I think premium subscribers are not going to want to see it. I agree with everything we're saying here. And like for a creator, this is good. And probably for most audiences, this is good because, hey, maybe you watch our videos later that night. You might not even have to see an ad that we do. That's like one that we need to, you know, continue paying our employees and having a building and everything.
1:13:51 Speaker 01 It's really, I, it's interesting. I think it lands on the creator, how they choose to use the tools or not use the tools. So like if I'm subscribed to premium, I don't expect to see pre-rolls ever or whatever, like pop-up ads or anything like that, but you still see all of the mid-roll ads that YouTubers do all the time and post-roll ads and things like that.
1:14:07 David Imel? The integrated stuff.
1:14:08 Speaker 01 So the, the main difference is going to be that sometimes it gets deleted. So if I'm a premium subscriber, I'm still going to see all the mid-rolls and the post-rolls from all the creators who choose to continue to do that, but sometimes the creators will choose to use the YouTube tool to get one that's dynamically inserted, and then you might not ever see that one, maybe. So it feels like a win just for everyone who doesn't have to see the ads that get deleted.
1:14:33 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:33 Speaker 01 But yes, it is like putting it in the hands of YouTube. But I, I wouldn't, I guess I wouldn't expect YouTube to just delete every ad that goes through that tool for premium users. That would seem like not something that they can do.
1:14:46 David Imel? It reminds me of the skip ahead feature that they have where.
1:14:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:49 David Imel? Which, yeah, which is a premium feature, I believe.
1:14:53 Speaker 01 And the skip ahead feature is just a auto, it's like, I think it detects based on user behavior.
1:14:59 David Imel? Yes.
1:15:00 Speaker 01 It seems like people fast forward for 30 seconds here and it's usually because of an ad.
1:15:03 David Imel? Because of the ad.
1:15:04 Speaker 01 And that's why they imagine that feature, but like, that's why that exists.
1:15:07 Andrew Manganelli? I thought that felt like a way of YouTube being like, hey, we're going to give this to the benefit of the users, but only because that's money we're not getting a slice of right now. So it's good for the users because it's not hurting our bottom line. Then my ultimate goal for here is if YouTube's allowing us to use this feature with our ads that we're negotiating.
1:15:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:24 Andrew Manganelli? Where's their benefit from this?
1:15:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, will they eventually take a cut of those ads?
1:15:29 Andrew Manganelli? And can they? Cause like, they're not part of negotiations from, I don't know.
1:15:33 Speaker 01 It could be like.
1:15:33 Andrew Manganelli? Something weird is gonna happen.
1:15:34 David Imel? It could be some sort of premium paid ad slot feature that they ask for a cut of or something.
1:15:40 Andrew Manganelli? Or like they give the option to put another ad in there. Maybe it's like, oh, we negotiate with D brand and pay for a million views. And they're like, oh, but after that million views is up, here's X amount of like ones that now could live in here.
1:15:54 David Imel? Yeah, they insert their own ads in there and then they start getting a cut after the first 100,000 or whatever. It starts being YouTube ads.
1:16:02 Speaker 04 This is also going to give advertisers, I feel like a way more accurate ROI. Because they can see exactly.
1:16:09 David Imel? Exactly what they're buying.
1:16:10 Andrew Manganelli? There's gonna be more statistics for it.
1:16:12 David Imel? A million views. Cause it is chaotic right now. It's like, you could pay for, you could pay for a video and you get, you get 22 million views or you get like a hundred thousand and you don't know what it's gonna be.
1:16:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, you try your best to like, and I see this in contracts all the time. They try to slip in like a minimum view guarantee, like, oh, if it doesn't get enough views, then you have to do another make good of free.
1:16:31 Andrew Manganelli? Don't ever.
1:16:32 Speaker 01 Creators do not sign those.
1:16:33 Andrew Manganelli? They do not, ever.
1:16:34 Speaker 01 Red flag. So obviously advertisers always want to know exactly what they're getting. And so maybe this is a tool that lets them know more specifically in some cases, exactly what they're getting.
1:16:44 Andrew Manganelli? I, that annoys me so, like, if you're an advertiser and for some reason, listening to this, especially this deep into the episode, like.
1:16:51 Speaker 01 Hi.
1:16:51 Andrew Manganelli? Stop worrying about, I know you kind of have to worry about the numbers, but like, do the partnership because you like that creator and their audience and you think this is a good, like.
1:17:00 David Imel? Yeah, that's the other.
1:17:01 Andrew Manganelli? If you put. A minimum view guarantee, it's such a red flag of like, you don't care about this partnership at all.
1:17:08 Speaker 01 There's different tiers of partnerships, I feel like in YouTube and some of them want to be like, I do, I always use Dbrand as an example. They know what it's like to work with a creator and they are really good at working with creators and facilitating letting the creator do their own creative. That's why you work with them and reaching their audience with their product. That's like what you want it to be. Some companies are bad at that. And so they're thereafter like, okay, we need to run a campaign that gets 10 million views. And we need to get it in front of young affluent tech purchasers. Okay, what do we do? We work with these three tech YouTubers, we guarantee 10 million views and we press buy. And that's not the same thing.
1:17:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's probably a lot of that is we work with insert middleman marketing agency and that person that is like, I want to give these numbers.
1:17:54 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's one more tool. I noticed it in there. I feel like we'll see it when it rolls out. It'll be interesting. But yeah, then of course, then the last bit was AI. So yes, AI, there's still going to be AI creation tools on YouTube. Just like last year, they talked about this. They're adding more tools. We're actively also, they say they're actively combating AI slop. They're trying to reduce the spread of low quality AI content by building our established systems that have been very successful in combating spam and clickbait. And reducing the spread of low quality competitive content.
1:18:30 Andrew Manganelli? That sentence was repetitive.
1:18:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I wonder.
1:18:33 Andrew Manganelli? Is there an M dash in there?
1:18:35 Speaker 01 I don't know exactly how effective their tools have been, but they claim to be both adding AI creation tools and combating AI slop. That is fascinating. And then last I saw, they mentioned a tool that they plan to roll out this year, which will allow creators to create shorts using their own likeness.
1:18:54 Andrew Manganelli? I can't wait to try this.
1:18:56 Speaker 01 I don't know what the.
1:18:56 Andrew Manganelli? And I'm super against this for regular people, but for us five, I want to do this so bad.
1:19:01 Speaker 01 I'm doing AI podcast. It's really interesting. Last year I have vague memories of them talking about this. I don't know if it was in the letter or at an event I went to where essentially YouTube has your likeness. And and can use your voice and your face to make you dance and like walk around and do things in videos and do trends and I I don't see how this isn't slop, but some people are gonna make it fun and they're gonna make it like entertaining, interesting content.
1:19:28 Andrew Manganelli? Hi, I'm right here.
1:19:29 Speaker 01 Not sure how people are going to use it.
1:19:32 Andrew Manganelli? This is how I'm gonna do the podcast from now on.
1:19:34 Speaker 01 It might be a little late.
1:19:35 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. 300 episodes.
1:19:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, that that'll be interesting to keep an eye on because our likenesses.
1:19:44 Andrew Manganelli? Can't wait to make us dance.
1:19:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:19:46 David Imel? This is definitely an opt in thing as well.
1:19:49 Andrew Manganelli? I hope so.
1:19:51 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I vicious makes me have two requests at the end of it.
1:19:54 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:19:55 Andrew Manganelli? The version of the time limit on shorts, but I want to parent me the parent. That sounds fantastic.
1:20:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:20:02 Andrew Manganelli? And how have we still not done chapter stuff yet? You brought it up and now I'm just mad again. And all I could think about this whole time is they're dynamically inserting ads and we still don't have a UI for chapters.
1:20:12 Speaker 01 Seems crazy.
1:20:13 Andrew Manganelli? They should name it after us when they finally.
1:20:14 Speaker 01 You know what I also learned in when we did our all mistakes video? The same way that you add chapters to YouTube video, which is by going to the description and typing all of your time timestamps and formatting the chapter names yourself and then YouTube auto detects that formatting and adds the UI. That's the same way you add corrections slash annotations to YouTube videos today.
1:20:37 David Imel? But they never told us that.
1:20:38 Speaker 01 There's still a feature. They don't tell you about this. They don't like actually it's not built into the UI. You then go down to the bottom and add the word corrections, colon, space, timestamp, and then write the corrections out and it shows up visually in the corner.
1:20:51 David Imel? I hate they have to run friggin Python script in order.
1:20:55 Speaker 01 Why is this UI?
1:20:56 David Imel? It's just they should just add it into the.
1:20:58 Andrew Manganelli? Everything is just a Python script, David. Quick, say something false so I can correct this.
1:21:02 Speaker 01 Uh, I'm eight and a half feet tall.
1:21:06 Andrew Manganelli? Perfect.
1:21:06 David Imel? Correction.
1:21:07 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, he's 8.75 feet tall, actually.
1:21:09 Speaker 01 Gronk, is this true? That's so, yeah, they they refuse to build the UI. I don't know why it's taking so long or why they refuse to do it, but you can do corrections and timestamps for chapters and hope they don't break. Just cross your fingers.
1:21:23 David Imel? Cool.
1:21:23 Speaker 01 Speaking of things that don't break, trivia.
1:21:27 Andrew Manganelli? Hit the lights.
1:21:30 Speaker 01 They do break. They do break. Everything's broken. Only when I say they don't. Every week.
1:21:36 Speaker 04 Wow. Touch designer crashed. You totally jinxed it, Marquez.
1:21:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, for sure.
1:21:40 Speaker 04 Okay, trivia. But first, a quick moment of silence for Jimmy Butler's ACL.
1:21:49 Speaker 01 Damn.
1:21:50 Andrew Manganelli? That was the worst moment of silence?
1:21:52 Speaker 04 Yeah, no silence.
1:21:53 Andrew Manganelli? Eat it, ACL?
1:21:55 Speaker 04 Uh, no.
1:21:56 Andrew Manganelli? I can say it. I've lost four of them.
1:21:59 Speaker 01 Sis.
1:22:00 Speaker 04 Are any of your ACLs yours anymore?
1:22:02 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:22:03 Speaker 04 Wait, you got an ACL transplant?
1:22:05 Andrew Manganelli? That's how you fix ACLs.
1:22:07 Speaker 04 I thought they take it from another part of your body.
1:22:09 Andrew Manganelli? It depends. Oh, they're mine. They're not my ACLs, though. They're my patella tendon and my hamstring.
1:22:14 Speaker 04 I thought you had someone else's ACL.
1:22:18 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't do that. I was too young and flexible, which got proven wrong when I tore it three more times after this.
1:22:24 Speaker 04 Amazing. Anyway, guys, what took a shorter amount of time, shorter amount of time? Sam Altman saying, we won't put ads in, or not we won't, but Sam Altman saying, we're gonna try not to put ads in ChatGPT and then putting ads in ChatGPT, or Google making Stadia available to buy and then not available to buy.
1:22:48 Speaker 01 And can you remind us the timeline for the Sam Altman quote? What lasted longer?
1:22:54 Speaker 04 From 2024 to 2026, but I won't say what month in 2024.
1:22:58 Speaker 01 That means a longer amount of time.
1:23:00 Speaker 04 They are closer.
1:23:01 Speaker 01 Which is shorter.
1:23:01 Speaker 04 Which is shorter, which is a shorter amount of time. What happened faster?
1:23:07 Speaker 04 Also, I just want to say,
1:23:11 Speaker 04 you know what, actually, this is gonna be a rare, you know, when I tried to find exactly what month Sam Altman said that, the only place that I found an accurate thing in was, uh, Google AI overviews. Everyone else who tweeted about it said it happened in October, but it did not happen in October. It happened in May. Um, and everyone reported that it happened in October because the video of him saying it got uploaded in October, but the video was shot in May. So please do your due diligence, internet tweeters.
1:23:47 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis is an AI overview lover?
1:23:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's a.
1:23:50 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis and AI overview sitting in a tree.
1:23:54 Speaker 04 There's your next correction.
1:23:56 Speaker 03 Flip him and read, what do we got?
1:23:58 Speaker 04 Thank you.
1:24:00 Speaker 04 Uh, who would like to read first?
1:24:02 Speaker 01 I think it was Stadia that was shorter.
1:24:05 Speaker 04 Stadia had a lifespan of November 2019 to January 2023, giving it a 38-month lifespan, which is incorrect.
1:24:15 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:24:16 Speaker 04 Yeah. And Andrew and David, you guys had the same answer.
1:24:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, sort of.
1:24:21 Speaker 04 Same but different.
1:24:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:23 Speaker 04 I said ChatGPT.
1:24:24 Speaker 01 I said Altman.
1:24:24 Speaker 04 Which is both correct.
1:24:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:27 Speaker 04 That was 20 months.
1:24:29 Speaker 01 Back to my old ways of not getting trivia points.
1:24:31 Speaker 04 Adam. Well, yeah, Marquez, you should just decide your answer and then... No, no, that's rude. You got it right last week.
1:24:39 Speaker 01 I got one point this year.
1:24:40 Speaker 04 You're doing fine. No, no, no, no. Uh, yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah. Quick update on the score. Uh, thank you for everyone who commented last week that it was incorrect in the video. We fixed it today. Now, uh, correction. It is actually Marquez with 12, Andrew with 16 after that correct answer, and David with 15 after that correct answer. Now, next one.
1:25:03 Speaker 01 And this one's worth 50 points.
1:25:05 Speaker 04 50 points on the line. No, not 50 points. How old was Ellis when the first episode of American Idol aired in 2002?
1:25:13 Andrew Manganelli? Is this closest or you just have to get it right?
1:25:16 Speaker 04 I'll let... Oh, okay. Um, I'll do closest. I'll do closest. So someone gets a point.
1:25:23 Speaker 04 Who will it be? Will it be you, David? Will it be you, Andrew? It's not Price's right name.
1:25:26 Speaker 03 Right, it's Delta?
1:25:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm just going Delta here.
1:25:32 Speaker 04 How well do you know American Idol and Ellis? What is that Venn diagram?
1:25:42 Speaker 01 Whoa.
1:25:44 Speaker 04 What do you got?
1:25:46 Speaker 01 That's so specific.
1:25:50 Speaker 01 I don't know when any of this stuff happened. I said 10 months old.
1:25:55 Andrew Manganelli? I said three.
1:25:57 Speaker 04 David, what'd you say?
1:25:58 Speaker 01 I said five.
1:26:00 Speaker 04 So the correct answer.
1:26:01 Andrew Manganelli? That's four, isn't it?
1:26:02 Speaker 04 Is four. So you both got a point.
1:26:04 Speaker 01 Oh, shoot. No.
1:26:08 Speaker 01 So I knew how old Ellis was now, but I didn't take into account the fact that he was born in July and this was June. I did that. I didn't think about that. Damn. Well.
1:26:17 Andrew Manganelli? I feel bad. I forgot you were in July.
1:26:20 Speaker 01 I could have sworn Ellis was 12. Uh, I'm gonna get a point. I'm gonna get a point for sure. Did you guys know it's gonna snow this weekend?
1:26:29 Speaker 04 Allegedly.
1:26:29 Andrew Manganelli? For anyone that's still listening, every break we've taken this entire last three hours is Marquez just online with 40 articles about how much it's gonna snow this weekend?
1:26:38 Speaker 01 It's so much.
1:26:39 Speaker 04 It's so much snow.
1:26:40 Speaker 03 If we make it a trivia question, will it snow this weekend? It won't.
1:26:45 Andrew Manganelli? That's a joke about you getting everything wrong, Marquez.
1:26:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:49 Andrew Manganelli? He's too busy tweeting about the snow right now.
1:26:53 Speaker 01 It's gonna snow a lot. Anyway, well,
1:26:57 Speaker 01 join us back next week when I hopefully get maybe a point on trivia. Uh, it'll be February by then, won't it? No, we got one more January episode, I think. So stay tuned for that. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing, most importantly, and getting us off the hype train. You know what that means. Uh, catch you guys the next one.
1:27:13 Andrew Manganelli? People were saying they could still hype us for some reason. So that's broken already.
1:27:18 Speaker 01 Keep hyping us, man. See you later. Bye.
1:27:21 Andrew Manganelli? Wayfarers Bruce by Adam Alina and Ellis River. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our outro music was created by Vane Sil.
1:27:26 Speaker 04 Bingo.
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