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1:20 Speaker 02 Apple has always charged this much for RAM? Like now, we're sort of like in an area where now-
1:27 David Imel? Their agents were insane already.
1:29 Speaker 02 It's like, I was looking it up. Like now, like, sticks of RAM cost about as much as the actual RAM upgrades cost.
1:39 Speaker 01 Try doubling the RAM in a MacBook. It's like, that'll cost you another MacBook.
1:43 David Imel? Eight hundred dollars.
1:49 Speaker 01 What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
1:54 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
1:54 David Imel? And I'm David.
1:55 Speaker 01 So this week, in January, we've got Xiaomi 17 Ultra in the house. We'll talk about that. We also might talk about why your smartphone might cost more, maybe. We also have some stuff to talk about with something called the Fuji X-Half, which I'm told is a total bust.
2:10 Andrew Manganelli? We've talked about it on this podcast before.
2:12 Speaker 01 Well, we'll see.
2:15 Speaker 01 And I also want to explain something to you guys in tech terms that I think would be really interesting to try to explain. But first.
2:22 Andrew Manganelli? I have a but first.
2:23 Speaker 01 Of course.
2:24 Andrew Manganelli? Did anyone see there was a best podcast award at the Golden Globes this year? No, are you serious? Yeah, there was.
2:30 Speaker 01 Golden Globes website, by the way, is very bad. It's very broken.
2:34 Andrew Manganelli? I'm not surprised.
2:35 Speaker 01 That's the least surprising sentence I've heard in a long time. Yeah, yeah.
2:40 Andrew Manganelli? Well, Amy Poehler won with Good Hang, which is a great podcast. But I think as a podcast, it's only fitting for us to ask for your help. I had no idea how the Golden Globes work. I actually don't really know what the Golden Globes is about, if I'm being honest, or what form of media they award, because now there's a podcast. But listen, it's been my dream ever since I was a little boy to win the Golden Globe. So I think we need waveform to win a Golden Globe in 2027. How do we do that? I don't know. You as the audience can help us, but this is our plea.
3:15 Speaker 04 You're supposed to apply. I think it's on you.
3:17 Andrew Manganelli? We can apply?
3:18 Speaker 04 I think you're supposed to apply.
3:19 Andrew Manganelli? My bad. We're applying next year.
3:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, first of all, these shows are always like, I'll be doing something on a Sunday night or whatever, and I'll get a news notification and be like, the Emmys are about to start. And I'm like, I don't care at all. Sorry. But that happened with the Golden Globes, and then I was made aware of the new podcast category.
3:39 Andrew Manganelli? It would be so funny to see all the tables of celebrities and then just us twiddling our thumbs.
3:45 Speaker 01 But that's the thing, like, who else was nominated for best podcast for a Golden Globe? Was it actually good podcasts, or was it just celebrities who are at the Golden Globes who also happen to have a podcast?
3:53 Speaker 02 Good Hang with Amy Poehler, Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard, Call Her Daddy with Alex Cooper, The Mel Robbins Podcast with Mel Robbins, Smartless with Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, and Sean Hayes.
4:04 Speaker 01 And they're like an OG.
4:05 Andrew Manganelli? And Up First, so Up First is in there.
4:07 Speaker 01 NPR.
4:07 Andrew Manganelli? NPR, and then, I mean, Call Her Daddy did start as a podcast. The rest of them are pretty much.
4:13 Speaker 01 It's a podcast.
4:15 Andrew Manganelli? I know, it started as a podcast. It's like where everything else-
4:17 Speaker 02 What does it mean it started?
4:18 Andrew Manganelli? I'm saying everyone else is a celebrity that made a podcast. Call Her Daddy is a person who got super famous because she started a podcast.
4:25 Speaker 01 I mean, we're a podcast. We're also a YouTube channel. We're a talk show. We're also a YouTube video.
4:30 Andrew Manganelli? We're gonna be at the Golden Globes next year.
4:31 Speaker 01 I'm not entirely sure what they are, but yes, Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys, Oscars, and whatever the other ones are. We should be in all.
4:41 Andrew Manganelli? The game, video game awards.
4:42 Speaker 02 According to Wikipedia, we have to be one of the top 25 most listened to podcasts to have been-
4:49 Speaker 01 On what platform?
4:50 Speaker 02 I don't know.
4:51 Speaker 01 Still the most nebulous, yeah.
4:53 Speaker 04 It's according to their data partner, Luminate, that decides, based on analytics.
4:59 Speaker 01 Podcasts, I think, is the top 25.
5:01 Andrew Manganelli? Podcast numbers are such a black box. Nobody knows what they are.
5:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, and nobody's willing to show the numbers. Let's just have Amy Poehler on our podcast and then we'll be fine.
5:09 Andrew Manganelli? That would be awesome.
5:10 Speaker 01 Well, I want to show you guys this phone real quick. So I'm working on a video about this. We already reviewed the Xiaomi 17 Pro and Pro Max, which were, let's be honest, iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max clones. It's design-wise anyway, but then they added a bunch of other features and the theme was really cool because they one-upped the iPhone. This, very different. This Ultra, it's basically just a camera. It's a camera phone. It's made by Leica. I unboxed this phone on camera. It came with a case, a lens cap, a microfiber to clean the lens, and a lanyard to like, use it like a regular camera. It says the word Leica more than it says the word Xiaomi. It says it over here, it's a Leica camera. Over on the back, it's a Leica camera. On the lens, it's a Leica camera. And by the way, it's a Xiaomi. Like, that says a lot about what's going on here.
5:55 Speaker 01 Well, Leica did have a Leica phone, but it was notably really, really bad. They made two generations of it and it was terrible. So that's what's cool about this phone is I am mostly interested in the camera experience. It has Leica modes and like, obviously very high-end hardware and it takes really good photos and videos. But it also is a Xiaomi flagship phone, so the rest of the phone happens to be really good too. It's a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. It's got 6800 milliamp hour silicon carbon battery, a really bright 6.9 inch 3500 nit display- 120 hertz, 90 watt fast charging, so it's a Xiaomi flagship still. But it's got all this camera stuff and maybe the most interesting part, which I'm going to talk more about in the video, is this ring around the lens does turn and it has function.
6:39 Speaker 01 It click launches the camera app and then once you're in the camera app, it's probably zoomed in on my phone right now.
6:46 Speaker 01 That is way better than camera control. Yeah, it's a, well, at first you would think that it is, it is. But it, I think, might be a little bit of a novelty because I liked it at first. I thought it was really fun. But then I saw, I've been using it slowly less and less. Except for certain cases, it's, it's fun. You can map it to EV, yeah, you can hold it. They can map it to like EV control or shutter speed or just zoom or whatever in different modes. Do you have a sure with it? Uh, you could do that. So in pro mode, I think it's, or in video mode, it changes your exposure value. In regular photo mode, it just zooms in and out. Uh, and it's just a smooth turning wheel, but there's a haptic click.
7:29 Andrew Manganelli? It's, the haptic is really good. I was not expecting that.
7:31 Speaker 01 Pretty convincing. Oh yeah, wow. So it's nice. It feels like a little ratcheted click. Yeah. So it's cool, but uh, you know, when you just hold the phone and use it like regular, your finger sometimes bumps that camera ring and you feel some random haptic clicks sometimes, which is a little bit annoying.
7:47 Andrew Manganelli? The other thing is like, when you're generally adjusting focus or zoom on a lens, it's like, uh, the lens is long enough that you've got some room to play with. This, when I go to use it, I'm using my thumb and index or middle finger and I'm immediately putting my pinky right in front of the lens.
8:06 Speaker 01 Yep, that's, that is a, that's something I've noticed more and more. So I, I love the idea of just making a smartphone that is all about the camera and that's mostly what I'm focusing on for this. But it is kind of funny that this is not the best camera. It does not seem like the best camera. And it's not the best camera experience, but it might be the most fun camera experience. Like having, having a lens cap that you can throw on the end of your phone, having all these fun modes, this Leica Essential Mode and all this character and fun that you can throw into your photos and videos. It's very capable and it's very fun and versatile. Uh, and I've taken some fun shots already. I'm going to keep shooting with it over the weekend, but yeah, it's just, it's an interesting Xiaomi 17 flagship. Yeah, just taking a couple of photos. This is not.
8:52 David Imel? A good camera.
8:53 Speaker 01 I think it's an okay, I think it's a B+ camera. I think it's weirdly, maybe not as good as the Xiaomi 17 Pro Max.
8:59 David Imel? Yeah.
8:59 Speaker 01 But it has way more fun stuff that you can do with the camera. In photos, videos, in the camera ring, in accessories and all that fun stuff.
9:08 David Imel? Right.
9:09 Speaker 01 So, that's, that's what it's about. And it's just Leica everywhere. I'm surprised, I'm not that surprised, but I'm kinda surprised how much. I think it's called the 17 Ultra by Leica.
9:20 David Imel? Okay.
9:20 Speaker 01 And then there's Leica on the box, like on the case, on the accessories, on the phone, in the software.
9:25 David Imel? So it has a live cinematography feature, which is in the camera app. And there are different things that you can do with it. So one of them is red carpet where it slow zooms in on you.
9:35 Speaker 01 Nice.
9:36 David Imel? There's a portrait, uh, there's freestyle, which... It doesn't really describe what any of these things are. It just kinda shows little mini videos.
9:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:46 David Imel? There's Ultra HDR Live, which sounds terrible.
9:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, there's all kinds of features that are just kinda like them throwing everything at the wall.
9:54 Andrew Manganelli? The tooling on the rails is, there's like grooves and just the etching of the Leica made by Germany is all really nice.
10:02 David Imel? Oh.
10:02 Andrew Manganelli? Ooh, that sounds like a zipper.
10:03 Speaker 01 That's the side of the phone.
10:04 David Imel? That kinda makes my back tingle.
10:07 Speaker 01 Oh, I might do a short ASMR with this. This is pretty fire. But yeah, it's, it's interesting.
10:13 Speaker 02 So Leica just put out that iPhone app called Leica Lux.
10:16 David Imel? Yeah, Leica Lux.
10:17 Speaker 02 That's the manual, oh, has put out for a bit, well, Leica has an iPhone app. That is a manual camera sort of, sort of thing.
10:24 David Imel? Which is very good, by the way.
10:25 Speaker 02 But it's iPhone only, so I'm curious if this phone has some of the Lux functionalities built into it.
10:31 David Imel? It doesn't seem like it does.
10:32 Speaker 01 This has Leica Essential Mode on the side, and like, Leica, a bunch of different, like, uh, monochrome, not filters, but like literally image processing modes.
10:41 David Imel? All right, here's the thing.
10:42 Speaker 01 That look like a Leica.
10:43 David Imel? There are many different, like, wings of, like, arms of Leica, right, as a company? There's like the licensing wing, there's like, there's, when you go to like a Qualcomm Snapdragon Summit event and they're talking about the new chip, they have someone from, like, the Leica software portion of Leica that comes on and... Says, oh, here's how we optimized for these like a looks on this. That's like a totally different wing of the company than the camera portion of the company. Cause there's licensing, there's this, this, this. To me, this kind of just feels like it's primarily licensing with like maybe one or two people that are like, hey, we can optimize this for the like a look, but it's probably not like the main brand that's doing most of this.
11:25 Andrew Manganelli? Well, if you ever want to edit your photos, Apple just introduced Apple Creator Studio.
11:30 David Imel? Well, but you can't really edit photos in the Creator Studio.
11:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, somewhere.
11:34 Speaker 01 You got Pixelmator.
11:35 Andrew Manganelli? Have you ever used numbers?
11:35 David Imel? Oh, yeah, Pixelmator.
11:36 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
11:37 David Imel? Have you ever used numbers?
11:39 Speaker 02 Like editing a photo where every pixel is one cell in a spreadsheet.
11:43 David Imel? Or Marquez, who edits his thumbnails in Final Cut Pro.
11:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know. So, okay, Apple introduces the Creator Studio Suite, which is not anything new as far as the apps you use, but it is bundling a bunch of Apple's apps into one thing that you pay a subscription for specifically 13 bucks a month or about a hundred thirty dollars a year. And it comes with a bunch of apps that are pretty expensive as standalone apps, which is cool. I remember I paid, I think, four hundred dollars or so for Final Cut Pro like a decade ago.
12:17 David Imel? Yeah.
12:17 Speaker 01 And I've gotten all of the updates since then. I've never paid more than once. It's on every single one of my Macs.
12:21 David Imel? It's three hundred bucks.
12:22 Speaker 01 It's an incre- for me, that's an incredible deal for me for how much I use Final Cut Pro, right? So if you use a bunch of these apps, then it's maybe a good deal or something to consider. The other interesting thing about this, the more you look into it, and I had to, you know, clarify some of this with Apple and by reading the press releases, there will be some features like AI features or like premium content built into some of the subscription versions of the apps
12:50 David Imel? Yeah.
12:50 Speaker 01 that are not in the standalone versions of the apps. Specifically, the productivity apps, not the creative apps, will get this, this like premium content or AI stuff.
13:01 David Imel? Yeah, keynote pages and free form are going to get Apple Intelligence features that are, that are specific to Creator Studio.
13:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I was curious about like Final Cut Pro because they announced a couple of new things like beat matching cuts or like being able to search through an automatically transcribed video to go to a certain place on your timeline, stuff like that. All of that stuff is coming to both the subscription version and the standalone version. So I was like, okay, are you gonna make me switch to a subscription for Final Cut even though I've been getting all the features for the last decade? Currently, the answer is no. It's gonna be on both versions.
13:33 David Imel? Thank you for saying currently.
13:33 Speaker 01 So I'm giving Apple the credit now, because if, you know, you see a lot of companies go, alright, it's a subscription. Adobe. Well, you basically don't own the software. You constantly have to pay for it. And Apple has had a pretty rare thing for a long time with apps like Final Cut Pro, where you buy it once, it's on all your computers, infinite updates forever. That's amazing. And they're not, like, shelving that. Like, that's staying around.
13:58 David Imel? Yeah.
13:58 Speaker 01 So if you don't need Motion Compressor, Keynote, all these other apps, if you just need Final Cut Pro and Pixelmator like me, you can just buy one app and get infinite updates forever, and that's still, that's still a thing. So I'm happy about that.
14:11 David Imel? It's infinite updates for the one time they update it every five years.
14:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, they update Final Cut with every OS, basically, with like a, like one or two.
14:19 David Imel? One or two features.
14:21 Speaker 01 I think the, the, the magic mask thing was the last significant thing. Yeah, magnetic mask they added was the last, like, impressive thing they added to Final Cut Pro.
14:28 David Imel? Totally, totally.
14:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:29 David Imel? Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in DaVinci Resolve that I think they really could compete with.
14:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:34 David Imel? I don't know, Apple really needs to get this going. Their services game, they've been trying to beef up, because they are terrified of the world where the iPhone is not their main money driver anymore. So they've been doing a good job in general of beefing this up, and I think it makes sense for them to, like, want recurring revenue, especially since these apps, you know, $300 permanently, one time. Honestly, like, it feels crazy that we are even able to buy software once anymore. Like, that seems magical that you can buy Final Cut one time for $300. It is a lost art.
15:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:06 David Imel? But this does make it a lot more affordable, and generally, I'm, like, very against monthly subscription stuff. But I think the really interesting thing is that students, if you're, if you have an EDU account, or you, you know, are your student, it's $3 a month, or $30 a year.
15:18 Speaker 01 That's a huge discount.
15:19 David Imel? Very cheap.
15:20 Speaker 01 I feel like the student discount's usually, like, 10% off or something.
15:23 David Imel? Yeah.
15:23 Speaker 01 This is a massive discount.
15:25 David Imel? There's some good ones. This is also awesome, because, like, if you're going to school and potentially doing this, maybe you do it.
15:32 Andrew Manganelli? For a year and then you're like, oh, I'm going to go into this professionally. I should buy the one time thing.
15:37 Speaker 01 Right.
15:37 Andrew Manganelli? Cause I'm going to be using this for a really long time.
15:40 Speaker 01 That's a really good, now that I'm thinking about it, a great strategy from Apple. Like if the most important customer to you is someone who is beginning their life as like a working professional, or they're about to start learning creative apps. You want this to be the best deal, the obvious go to, so that these people are like used to your apps. And then they grow, they grow up and they pay a little more, but like you want the customer first.
16:01 David Imel? Well, that value is even better because the iPad version of Final Cut is a $5 a month subscription. And so is the iPad version of Logic. So if you're only paying $3 for everything and it includes, it includes the iPad versions, the Creative Studio.
16:17 Speaker 01 That's no brainer.
16:18 David Imel? Yeah. So it is like, you're saving a ton of money if you're doing that. But even the regular version that's 13 a month, like if you are already paying the, the $5 for I, for the iPad Final Cut and the $5 for the iPad Logic, that's 10. So it's an additional three.
16:31 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, even this is still a great, even the 12.99 a month, like you might just be like, all right, I want to start doing some editing stuff. Pay for two months is still better than $300 just to try it and then figure it out and decide.
16:45 Speaker 01 I'm asking someone who's watching this podcast to do the math for me. Add up the prices of buying one time, all of these apps.
16:52 David Imel? How many months?
16:52 Speaker 01 And then how many months does this become a, a bad deal? Like the subscription for the first month, you win. For the second month, you win. For as many months as you've paid less than it costs to have access to all these apps, you win. But somebody watching this has a calculator and they can find the total value of all the software and how many months it would take.
17:09 David Imel? Years.
17:10 Speaker 01 It's probably a pretty good amount of time.
17:11 David Imel? Yeah. As long as they don't jack up the prices every year, like every subscription service.
17:16 Speaker 01 They, I hope they keep it this way. Cause like Final Cut's been the same price for forever.
17:20 David Imel? Yeah.
17:21 Speaker 04 For reference, the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription is $25 per month for a student.
17:27 Speaker 04 So it's probably eight times the price of the Apple one.
17:31 David Imel? And the regular one, to be fair though, like, Apple does not really have competitors to every Adobe app in terms of quality and professionalism.
17:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:42 David Imel? You just like Pixelmater is Pixelmater and it's really good for what it is and they bought it.
17:46 Speaker 01 Motion is not After Effects.
17:47 David Imel? Motion is horrible. Yeah. Motion is not After Effects.
17:50 Speaker 01 Motion is not After Effects.
17:51 David Imel? A lot of these are very, very, like, a lot of people use Logic Pro. So, there's that. But many of these are not true competitors to Adobe's app suite.
18:00 Speaker 02 Logic Pro's a weird one because it's, like, I use it for almost everything here, but there's definitely a lot of professional work that it does not have the features that are required. That being said, it's the only app on here that Adobe, like, does not, like, audition.
18:17 David Imel? Yeah.
18:18 Speaker 02 You're using Audition?
18:20 David Imel? Yeah, for sure.
18:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, Final Cut is kind of in a similar place. Like, it's really good for what I use it for. We use it a lot here at the studio. But there is an Adobe equivalent. I mean, Premiere is Premiere and After Effects is in a totally different league from Motion. So like, you could be swayed to the more expensive one if you need After Effects. But yeah, I kind of wonder what kind of person uses a bunch of these apps? Like, I only use two of them, me personally. I use Final Cut and Pixelmater.
18:48 David Imel? Yeah.
18:49 Speaker 01 Somewhere out there, there's a creative professional who also uses Logic and Motion for some reason?
18:54 David Imel? I don't know about that.
18:55 Speaker 01 And Keynote?
18:56 David Imel? Does anyone use Motion?
18:57 Speaker 01 Shout out to that creator.
18:57 David Imel? Well, that's the funny thing is like, doesn't Keynote and, don't all of those apps, like, Keynote and, what is it? Numbers? Those come pre-installed on your computer.
19:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, I guess you get the like...
19:08 David Imel? So you just get the AI-ification versions, which we don't even know what that's gonna look like yet.
19:12 Speaker 02 I want to know what they're adding to Freeform.
19:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, what is Freeform?
19:15 Speaker 02 I love Freeform. Like, between Freeform, I think Freeform and Reminders are the two, like, Apple-included apps I use the most now.
19:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, Freeform, this is, oh, okay.
19:26 Speaker 02 Freeform, it's Apple Figma. We don't, I do.
19:29 Speaker 01 You do?
19:30 Speaker 02 I love...
19:30 Speaker 01 You use Freeform?
19:31 Speaker 02 Oh my god, I love Freeform.
19:32 Speaker 01 I thought you were sarcastic.
19:33 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no.
19:34 Speaker 01 This could be for you then. Cause you use Logic and, it's two apps right there.
19:37 Speaker 02 I own Logic.
19:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. Do you use Pixelmater?
19:40 Speaker 02 No.
19:40 Speaker 01 Do you use Keynote?
19:42 Speaker 02 No.
19:42 Speaker 01 Final Cut?
19:43 Speaker 02 No.
19:43 Speaker 01 Well, you know, speaking of subscriptions... There's also some news in the subscription world. Mostly, it's just that Tesla FSD is now going to no longer, I think on February 14th, no longer be offered as a single payment. It will only be a subscription. So I think it was, I don't even remember. It was a couple thousand dollars to add it on to the price of your car if you didn't want to pay the subscription to have FSD on that car.
20:05 David Imel? It was many thousands of dollars.
20:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think a couple thousand selling it, sure.
20:08 Speaker 01 No, like eight, like it was.
20:10 David Imel? It went up to like 15K at one point. It fluctuated a lot.
20:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, fluctuated. Way more palatable for it to be $99 a month, but also it's, you have to pay every month. So again, you'll do the math on how long you have to own that car for it to be not as, I mean, it doesn't matter anymore because you can't do the one-time payment, but that, that is a new subscription.
20:29 Andrew Manganelli? One thing I saw is, I guess, one positive of this is if you're paying for a subscription, it quote unquote transfers to cars, right? Because previously if you're doing a one-time payment and you sell that car, it goes with the car for whatever stupid reason.
20:44 David Imel? It was so stupid, yeah. It was like if you bought it permanently, it was locked to your car. So if you sold the car, you couldn't get it on, if you bought another Tesla or whatever.
20:54 Speaker 01 But it would, it would mean you could sell the car for more.
20:56 David Imel? Yeah, which is what Tesla does with their leases, because they don't let you buy out a lease. So what they do is like you lease the car, you give it back to them, they activate the full self-driving, and then they sell the car as like a, as like a pre-leased car, but with full self-driving.
21:10 Speaker 01 Which costs more.
21:11 David Imel? They sell it at full retail value.
21:13 Speaker 01 Got it.
21:13 David Imel? Yeah.
21:14 Andrew Manganelli? Sick.
21:15 David Imel? Yeah.
21:16 Andrew Manganelli? I love subscriptions.
21:18 David Imel? Subscriptionize my life. Well, speaking of things that may or may not have subscriptions, we're not really sure yet. Uh, Apple has formally come out and announced that they are going to be using Gemini to power the new Siri. Yeah, if you guys remember properly, uh, two years ago now, when they announced the new Siri that we all got very excited for. Uh, we didn't really know how it was gonna go, but then, you know, they had the OpenAI partnership where you can, you know, ask ChatGPT and you can send queries to ChatGPT. People are like, is ChatGPT gonna be on-device? And is it gonna power the Siri features? We're not really sure. Now, Google and Apple have issued a joint statement that say that Apple did a blind test and that Gemini
22:03 David Imel? provides the most capable foundation for our foundation models, which is ironic and funny. Yeah, they're also gonna be running on Apple's private cloud compute, so queries won't get shared to Google and stuff like that, which is nice, and they get deleted off Apple servers. We're still apparently supposed to see it this year. The rumor is that in the spring, some of the features will start to trickle out, and then the full-fledged "this is what it's doing" is gonna come out at WWDC only two years late. And I hope they also roll back liquid glass, but that's another conversation.
22:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're not gonna do that.
22:35 David Imel? Let's talk about this a little bit. You made a whole video about this.
22:38 Speaker 01 I made a whole video about this. There's a lot of interesting thoughts floating around about what this could mean and what it definitely means. I think the most interesting one to me is Siri. Okay, it's actually gonna finally have... Because we keep talking about Siri. There's a whole bunch of Apple Intelligence stuff. We're just talking about the LLMs and the foundations behind Siri. Siri: Bad now. Siri could be good soon. Exciting. And it will be able to do all these things that Gemini is already doing and is already good at, which is very exciting. What else will Apple add on top of it? Because I don't know, it's not gonna just be a one-to-one clone. It's a foundation model, and then they build a bunch of stuff on top of it to obviously build things like that feature
23:23 Speaker 01 from the commercial they deleted, where you ask Siri about some appointment or whatever, and it remembers where you were at a certain time on your calendar, whatever that was happening. Like, they gotta build stuff on top of it and make their own features. What are those going to be? We'll see. The other one is, what else, aside from the LLMs, would this help with? Because I brought up in my video "circle to search", which might touch this, might not touch it at all. But as of right now, the Apple Intelligence feature, where you do a visual search of what's on your screen, just does a Google Image search, which is pretty basic. But what if it had all the Gemini goodness, and you did true circle to search, just like Android, and it could search anything? It could search an image and know what type of dog breed it is, or what map location that event is happening at, or all these other things.
24:08 Speaker 01 I think that would be really interesting to keep an eye on.
24:10 David Imel? Yeah.
24:11 Speaker 01 And then the other question is, what happens to the OpenAI integration with ChatGPT? Because as of right now, the way it works is, this is like very bolted on to the side. Siri does Siri things, and if you ask Siri a question that is too complicated, or have multi-step, or whatever, and ChatGPT would be better for it, which is lots of things, it will literally ask you, hey, can I, can I use ChatGPT to do this? And you say yes, and then it does that query. But if you're getting the Gemini foundation model, and Siri gets this huge LLM reboot, it will theoretically not ever have to kick out to something it can't do anymore.
24:46 David Imel? Right.
24:46 Speaker 01 So why would we have the OpenAI partnership anymore at all?
24:51 David Imel? Yeah.
24:51 Speaker 01 So we'll see what happens with that.
24:53 David Imel? I don't think we've ever really discussed how insane it was that in the Settings menu of your iPhone, you could open a login portal to the OpenAI ChatGPT login website.
25:03 Speaker 01 It's pretty crazy.
25:03 David Imel? In the Settings menu of your phone. That's crazy.
25:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:08 David Imel? You still can. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, like, it's an insane thing that they did.
25:12 Andrew Manganelli? When they announced all this and the ChatGPT integration, am I remembering correct that they said there would be other models that you could choose to answer some of the questions in the future? And that that would be a choice you could have?
25:23 David Imel? So at the event at WWDC, there was a Q and A afterwards, and they said Gemini will be an option in the future, which never happened.
25:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:35 David Imel? But if they're using it as a foundation model, theoretically, you wouldn't even need to do your whole model picker thing.
25:41 Andrew Manganelli? I wonder, well, I guess my wonder was, if they're trying to portray this choice that you have.
25:48 David Imel? Yeah.
25:48 Andrew Manganelli? Would they keep a ChatGPT as an option to throw out to, or have other options in the future? I doubt Google wants that to happen. I think most people will think right now, like,
25:58 David Imel? Default?
25:58 Andrew Manganelli? ChatGPT, OpenAI is going out the window.
26:00 David Imel? Yeah, probably. It's just too much complexity. I think that they just don't want consumers to have to go through the whole model picking thing.
26:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
26:07 David Imel? It's a lot. It's better if it's just behind the scenes, and it just does stuff, and you don't even have to think about it.
26:12 Speaker 01 Yep.
26:12 David Imel? And that's how it is a deal for most people.
26:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:14 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure Apple wants it to be as behind the scenes as possible. They'll make this announcement. Dub double mentioned it and they probably never mentioned Google's name ever.
26:21 Speaker 01 It was, it was a small of an announcement as they could make. This wasn't a newsroom post. This was like they gave one quote to one outlet.
26:28 David Imel? It was on the Google keyword blog, but the blog was.
26:30 Speaker 01 Well, Google made their post and then Apple didn't make a post.
26:32 David Imel? There was no.
26:34 Andrew Manganelli? We agree. Yeah, there it is.
26:35 David Imel? Yeah, it's a joint statement from Google and Apple on the keyword and it was two paragraphs.
26:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was as small of a splash as you could make.
26:42 David Imel? Yeah.
26:42 Speaker 01 So, uh, and then I made a video about it, so there it is.
26:46 David Imel? It is crazy though, because like you would assume Apple is very, very used to making their own versions of things because they don't like relying on other people. And the most that they've relied on other people is using Google search for things, which they, you know, notably, there was a lot of money that was flowing between those companies, which then they got sued for. So it seems like they would be less likely, especially for like the future of the iPhone to be powered by a Google model. It's going to be a recurring deal that they're going to have to keep making with Google until the end of time. Like it doesn't seem like Apple is investing in making their own L L M.
27:18 Speaker 01 So here's, this is the, the last thought I had about this is how much does that really matter? Like if we, I know we can't do this, but let's take the money out of the equation. Okay, you're using Siri. It's falling back on a device, a, a model on the device that happens to have been made by Google. Cool. That doesn't mean new users for Google. That doesn't mean new info or data for Google. It just means that that's where it came from.
27:46 David Imel? Yeah.
27:46 Speaker 01 And Apple still retains the user. They still have the, well, they control the user interface and everything. And so you, so if one day it happened to switch to Chat G P T and if that's just as good as Gemini, the user shouldn't notice. It will still not have any of your history because it's not like feeding any data to that company. It's not any flow of users from Google to Open A I. It's just the user keeps using Siri and it just keeps working. So how much does it actually matter outside of the financials that they picked Google?
28:17 David Imel? Yeah, there's a lot of question marks because they have their private cloud private cloud compute thing, which is supposed to like not keep a lot of your queries and all that stuff. But at the same time, part of the new Siri features is that it remembers things about you. And then it dynamically like suggests you things and puts things on your calendar for you. So that's something in which it's going to have to like retain a certain level of information. And then the question mark that I have is like, is that information just retained locally on the device? And can that easily pass to a new model that gets pushed to the device?
28:49 Speaker 01 Probably not pass to a new model, but I think that will be the idea is like, Apple builds all their functionality on top of this model that happens to be Gemini. But the point of it being Gemini is it's just way more information and way smarter. So then, yeah, they can build their like, look into the users apps and have all this data happening locally and be really helpful. But like, that's not showing up as like a Google user or anything like that. It's just a statement that Google is the best one and that's the one they picked.
29:17 David Imel? Yeah.
29:17 Speaker 01 Which is like a big deal for people who follow the race and which one's better, which one's number one. But after that, it's like, yep, okay, Siri's gonna be better now. Great.
29:25 David Imel? It is interesting that Apple didn't decide to invest in this this whole AI race compared to everybody else. Everyone thought they were gonna buy Anthropic for a long time.
29:33 Speaker 01 That would be an investment.
29:33 David Imel? They should have done that like two years ago. I don't think Anthropic would sell to them at this point, but.
29:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's a it's a statement about how much Apple believes that this AI race is actually a meaningful race to be involved in.
29:48 David Imel? Correct, yes. Yeah.
29:50 Speaker 01 I mean, if they they never decided to build and ship a search engine, that just means they figured it was never gonna be worth it to Apple. That doesn't mean they don't think search engines matter. That just means they don't think it's worth it to be involved in that business.
30:02 David Imel? Well, and the metaverse, remember, like, they were like, they already got.
30:06 Andrew Manganelli? Fire half or didn't Meta just fire a huge amount of people?
30:09 David Imel? Yeah, they they.
30:10 Andrew Manganelli? Cause they're just like giving up on the metaverse.
30:12 David Imel? A bunch of funding to the metaverse division and there's like 100 people that are still using it. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, Apple didn't notably did not invest in that for because they thought it might just be a fad. And then they notably did not invest in AI because they thought it might just be a fad, or at least the LLM like hype wave. Uh, now I think that they're like, okay, well, we have to do this. But it's still surprising that they haven't tried to build up their own infrastructure.
30:37 Andrew Manganelli? It's also on the back of like. It's not just a fad, it's a fad that could potentially help a product that they've had that's been terrible for a while. So like, I guess it links a little closer. But at a certain point, people are still buying iPhones and using garbage Siri. Is it easier to just continue to be like, no, no, Siri will be good one day?
30:56 David Imel? Yeah, and how many regular users actually are like, oh, Siri's bad and that's why I'm gonna buy a Google phone? Like, I don't really know how much
31:06 Speaker 01 Very few people. But I think Apple at least sees the writing that there are people who are like, look at all these cool things that Circle of Search and Gemini and all these AI like built in features on Android phones is doing. At least we can match that, just to make sure that's not a reason why you're leaving the iPhone.
31:20 David Imel? And the fact that they announced it very publicly and made advertisements around it and then haven't been able to deliver.
31:26 Speaker 01 That's true.
31:26 David Imel? Very embarrassed.
31:27 Speaker 01 Clearly planned on delivering.
31:29 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah.
31:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. The only other connection I can make between businesses slash fads that Apple has decided not to invest in, which at this point is just search engines and their AI foundation models.
31:42 Andrew Manganelli? And multiple wireless chargers in one.
31:44 David Imel? And the metaverse.
31:45 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Well, I guess between those two is
31:47 David Imel? Air power.
31:48 Speaker 01 They, those two are reliant on all of this data. And Apple's thing
31:55 David Imel? Yeah, it's privacy.
31:56 Speaker 01 Is privacy and not sharing user data.
31:59 David Imel? For sure.
31:59 Speaker 01 And so if you're Apple and you're going, should we invest a ton in building our own foundation models and competing with OpenAI and all these companies that are just inhaling data?
32:10 Speaker 01 No, because that's not in the wheelhouse of like how they make money or what they do. And same with a search engine, like, Apple could build the UI to a search engine, sure, but all the other things that make a search engine good are not things that Apple really does.
32:28 David Imel? Yeah, Google makes money on data, they don't care about the pixel. Apple makes money on the iPhone, they don't care about the data.
32:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:35 David Imel? And that is, that is basically it boiled down.
32:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:38 David Imel? Yeah, we got more to talk about in the future, including why things are more expensive.
32:44 Speaker 01 Maybe.
32:45 David Imel? Probably. Welcome to every day of the week.
32:48 Speaker 01 But before that, trivia.
32:53 Speaker 01 Also, Mariah's here.
32:55 David Imel? Hi.
32:55 Speaker 01 Hi.
32:56 Andrew Manganelli? She spoke a couple of times.
32:58 Speaker 01 I'm assuming trivia might, might be coming from Mariah today.
33:02 Speaker 02 But not yet.
33:03 Speaker 01 Okay.
33:03 Speaker 02 Uh, this question is inspired by a listener of the show I ran into in the city yesterday named Sam, who is an architecture student. So everybody say, hi, Sam.
33:13 David Imel? Hi, Sam.
33:14 Speaker 01 Architecture.
33:15 Speaker 02 And in researching possible architecture questions, I found something really funny, not just about architecture, but about the great state of New Jersey, which is that New Jersey is home to many, many, many different styles of architecture, but there is one that is actually only found in Staten Island and North Jersey. What is the name of this two-word, alliterative style of New Jersey architecture, of which the first word is a city here in North Jersey?
33:46 Speaker 01 Oh.
33:49 David Imel? Carne cor.
33:52 Speaker 02 That's, that's, that's kinda the answer I've been looking for. It's not Carne cor, and it's not Carney at all.
33:59 Andrew Manganelli? I was like, can we get an example of what?
34:02 David Imel? There's like a Jeopardy.
34:03 Andrew Manganelli? Like what it looks like?
34:04 David Imel? Bow bous.
34:04 Andrew Manganelli? Will that be too obvious?
34:05 Speaker 02 I think I can describe.
34:06 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
34:07 Speaker 02 Do you wanna try to describe it?
34:09 Speaker 04 Frankly, I don't think anyone's gonna guess this, but I will say, for a clue, can I give a clue?
34:14 David Imel? I would love a clue.
34:15 Speaker 04 A clue is, I would say it's within a 15-minute drive of here. So let that sink in.
34:23 Andrew Manganelli? I wanna know, are we talking like, like, commercial, or like, a house, residential? Okay.
34:28 David Imel? And it's alliterative, which means it's like?
34:30 Andrew Manganelli? I have a guess, but-
34:31 David Imel? Hoboken houses or something. Yeah, like Carne cor.
34:34 Speaker 01 Carne cor.
34:34 Andrew Manganelli? My guess is literally-
34:35 David Imel? Maplewood Mansions.
34:36 Andrew Manganelli? One of the things is something else, somewhere else in the Northeast, so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on that one.
34:41 Speaker 01 Staten sweetness.
34:44 David Imel? But isn't Staten Island in, uh-
34:45 Andrew Manganelli? Is there popular?
34:46 David Imel? Isn't that in New York?
34:47 Speaker 01 Yeah. But he said it's in-
34:48 David Imel? It's not really New York, though. Can we, by the way, can we just think greatest Staten Island is just part of New Jersey?
34:54 Andrew Manganelli? No.
34:54 Speaker 01 Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
34:56 Speaker 04 We don't have time for that.
34:56 Speaker 01 We aren't taking that.
34:57 David Imel? I went there for the first time, and it was just New Jersey.
35:00 Speaker 01 We, it's, it's New York.
35:02 Andrew Manganelli? It's literally.
35:03 Speaker 01 You guys, we, we'll take the Statue of Liberty if you wanna give us-
35:06 Andrew Manganelli? Well, cuz it's ours. No, no, no, no. Give us, it's ours.
35:09 Speaker 01 Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.
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37:26 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. We gotta talk about why your next smartphone, well, according to some people, will cost more. I was gonna say might cost more, but will definitely cost more. And I'm saying it that way because we're mainly basing this on a Carl Pei tweet. He posted this really long tweet, which, I mean, okay, we could have kind of figured this out by context clues, but we know that memory is getting more and more expensive and smartphones use memory, so maybe your next smartphone is more expensive. But Carl's tweet is much more definitively like, "Look, smartphones forever have relied on prices going down for these things, so every year you can expect a spec bump and the price doesn't have to go up.
38:05 Speaker 01 But this year, 2026, that's not true. Memory has gone up so much in price that it is impossible for your next phone to cost the same amount for the same specs." And so, yes, if you haven't already heard, memory shortage, like, this is, have you tried to build a PC lately? It's really hard to get rammed on memory. It's all super expensive.
38:25 Andrew Manganelli? Every tech trend just really screws people who want to build a cool PC. I feel like crypto is like, "You want a GPU? Suck it."
38:33 David Imel? I ordered a little NAS enclosure thing, because, again, I was trying to do the photo stuff. And just buying storage, I'm like, "Holy [bleep], this [bleep] is like four times as expensive as it was like six months ago."
38:49 Speaker 01 It's all happening. In fact, in his tweet, he has his numbers. And I, credit to Carl, he's always super transparent about component pricing. That's like the one thing that I can say. He is always very transparent about that. So he says-
39:02 Andrew Manganelli? That we know of.
39:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, he says, "Brands face a simple choice: raise prices by 30% or more in some cases, or downgrade specs." He's saying it based on- Something that cost $20 a year ago could exceed $100 by year-end for top-tier models.
39:14 Andrew Manganelli? He also thinks that entry to mid-tier markets might shrink by 20% or more.
39:20 Speaker 01 Logically-
39:22 Speaker 01 All of this makes perfect sense, but as we were like entering this into the like, we should talk about this today in a podcast, I remember we, we had this same discussion like eight months ago around tariffs, right? There was a sudden and sharp increase in prices among not just components, but like entire brands, like their whole like top to bottom supply chains. And so we assumed that there would be no choice but to raise prices of certain things. But to my memory, that didn't really happen the way we thought it would.
39:59 David Imel? It happened with some things.
40:00 Speaker 01 With a couple of things.
40:01 David Imel? We will talk about the Fuji X half soon.
40:04 Speaker 01 Sure.
40:05 David Imel? The pricing of that device is notably a tariff device.
40:09 Speaker 01 You remember last year, we were thinking, I think the iPhone might get affected and they might have like a higher priced iPhone because of tariffs.
40:15 David Imel? Yeah, because everyone on Twitter was like, the iPhone's gonna be $2,000 now.
40:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, and that was not obviously didn't happen. Matter of fact, we got one of the best deals of an iPhone of all time last year.
40:24 Andrew Manganelli? That's true. So also tariffs were also super confusing because every time we talked about it, by the time we released the episode, it was different. So that was really hard.
40:33 Speaker 01 Who's exempt, who's not exempt?
40:35 David Imel? A lot of it comes down to market predictability. And I think the fact that the tariffs were changing every single day, a lot of companies, especially the ones that could afford it, just decided it's worth it to just not change pricing and just wait it out and see what happens. And if we need to in the future, maybe we will. But we don't, we don't want to do this thing where we just are fluctuating our pricing like every two days.
40:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think when you sell to consumers, like the number one thing you can do is be stable and predictable, but that's only easier as you get bigger of a company.
41:04 David Imel? Yeah.
41:04 Speaker 01 If hopefully that sentence made sense. And so if you're smaller, like if you're nothing, then you maybe deal with, you deal with more fluctuating supply chain pieces and things like this memory storage are. A giant blinking red light on your radar because how can you build enough margin to accommodate this crazy change?
41:25 David Imel? It's a combination of that and your ability to sustain those changing market dynamics. Like Samsung, for example, notably, does not make a ton of money from its mobile division. That's not its main source of money. Actually, probably most of its money comes from the RAM it makes for other people.
41:41 Speaker 01 Displays.
41:42 David Imel? So they're probably doing really well right now. And I don't think that Samsung will change its prices for its smartphones at all. So in a way, Carl is kind of just like, we're gonna up our prices because we can't do this. And I think that there will be some larger companies that'll be like, hey, don't speak for all of us. Come on, come on, Carl.
42:01 Speaker 01 I wanted to ask you guys, do you think that, because we, again, we looked at this with tariffs and we saw kind of what was happening there. Do you think that we expect smartphone prices to go up because of RAM shortages? Or do we think that these huge companies are insulated enough that we, again, they'll just eat that cost and try to be as stable as possible? And hopefully that goes down next year.
42:20 David Imel? I think they're gonna eat it for one more year. And if the memory prices are still insane next year. Because the main reason the memory and storage prices are so insane right now is because of the data center explosion and like OpenAI buying up all of the RAM. So if that, you know, if that capacity changes next year, if either the companies that are building it build more fabs that can make more capacity, or if OpenAI just doesn't need as much next year, the prices could go back down. So I think it's still kind of seen as a market fluctuation. It's just a little bit longer term than the week-long market fluctuations of the tariffs.
42:55 Speaker 01 Sure.
42:55 Andrew Manganelli? I have, well, I agree with David. Even though he ends this whole post with, we learned early on, we couldn't win on spec sheets alone. Instead, we focus on perfecting the user experience, proving how a phone looks and feels matter more than its raw numbers. Great quote after everyone hated the Nothing Phone 3. But like, I think Carl just taking the time to write this super long paragraph that could have just been, RAM is expensive, phone use RAM, do the math. Like, it's proof that the Nothing Phone is gonna get more expensive this year and he's already making excuses for it. I have another question, though, that Ellis and I were kind of talking about beforehand that might prove that I'm an idiot for the 8,000th time on this podcast. But.
43:39 Andrew Manganelli? We were talking about new MacBooks and I guess when I'm thinking of RAM, I'm immediately thinking of RAM sticks. Like that we're all used to, but when the memory is integrated onto something like Apple silicon, is that going to be something that's going to would be affected by something like this? And now I'm not exactly sure how RAM is working inside of phones if we're talking about it. So where is the, what RAM are we talking about? You know, we saw before because of like microcenters throwing it up, which is the RAM sticks we all know. Is Apple silicon going to be hit by this at all because it's all integrated into their chips?
44:15 Speaker 01 That's a good question. I don't know the answer. I kind of assumed everything that uses memory, whether it's a RAM stick they put in a PC or if it's memory that's in the Hasselblad camera or in Apple silicon, it's all affected.
44:28 Andrew Manganelli? So everything.
44:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, everything that has memory, cars, like this happened with the chip shortage when like people realized cars use a lot of chips because they all have computers in them.
44:36 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
44:36 Speaker 01 The chip shortage affects everything because everything has a chip. And depends on how much like your supply chain, obviously, and what percentage of your device is memory, which is why we think cheaper smartphones, mid-range smartphones are most affected because memory is an important and expensive component in that. But yeah, I do think it, I mean, I don't know the answer, but I do think it would affect Apple and Apple silicon. But I don't, I don't think they're going to raise prices because it's not a big enough component. Yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah.
45:04 Speaker 02 I think I see it both sides. Well, I think one thing that we failed to consider in our earlier conversation, Andrew, is that Apple probably pre-negotiated their RAM prices for, I don't know when their contract with the three big suppliers ends, but I would have a feeling that they're locked in through some, to a price through some period of time. The other reason, the other thing that, you know, we didn't really discuss was that, I guess maybe we sort of touched on it a little bit, is that Apple has always charged this much for RAM, like, like now.
45:37 Speaker 01 Their margins were insane already.
45:40 Speaker 02 It's like, I was looking it up, like now, like sticks of RAM cost about as much as the actual RAM upgrades.
45:48 Speaker 01 For Apple or? You try doubling the RAM in a MacBook, it's like that'll cost you another MacBook. Eight hundred dollars.
45:54 Speaker 02 Going from 64 to 128 gigs of RAM on a MacBook Pro is an extra eight hundred dollars, you know? So it's, so maybe they can just be like.
46:04 Speaker 01 They built it in.
46:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, they priced it in.
46:06 Speaker 01 They priced it in. The market priced it in.
46:09 Speaker 02 You know, on the other hand, everything is getting more expensive. So.
46:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:14 Speaker 02 So I don't know.
46:14 Speaker 01 I feel like Apple probably already purchased this capacity ahead of time and it probably won't affect them for the short term. I just don't know how long that lasts.
46:24 Speaker 02 I believe it was Lenovo that said publicly that their price contract thing ends at the end of 2026. And, you know, Apple's worth a few Lenovo's. So like, maybe their contract goes.
46:40 Speaker 01 I was trying to think of a company that I think might be affected that's not Apple and Motorola came to mind because they sell a lot of two, one, two, $300 phones.
46:49 Speaker 02 Right.
46:50 Speaker 01 They're a Motorola, they're a Lenovo company. They're like small. They don't have a ton of, to my knowledge, like super premium stuff, like balancing it out where they can eat that charge on the smaller price things and they'll be okay. So I, I kind of feel like Motorola phones could be more expensive than their previous generations this year, potentially.
47:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:12 Speaker 01 That's a total guess from me.
47:14 David Imel? Well, speaking of these things being a lot more expensive and now a lot cheaper. There's a camera we've talked about a few times called the Fujifilm X-Half. This camera is the camera that was made to be bad. It's Fujifilm's response to the Gen Z and Gen Alpha kids buying Digicams, which are like early 2000's point and shoot cameras. And Fujifilm thought, we really need to get in on that. So they made this camera called the X-Half. It's got a one inch sensor. It intentionally adds light leaks and all this. Hey, it's vibes.
47:48 Andrew Manganelli? You must have not been here when we brought it in.
47:51 David Imel? Yeah, Adam had it for a while.
47:52 Andrew Manganelli? It's such an interesting camera.
47:53 David Imel? It's an awesome camera.
47:53 Andrew Manganelli? It is both awesome and terrible at the same time.
47:56 David Imel? It's awesome. I.
47:56 Speaker 01 It's the opposite of what I look for in cameras.
47:58 Speaker 02 It has a portrait viewfinder. Like the viewfinder on the back is portrait by default.
48:04 David Imel? Because half frame cameras, X-Half, always were portrait because they just shrink the film, the film gate half is wide. So they become portrait.
48:13 Andrew Manganelli? It was like also plastic, but it looked really nice and it had this like, the pictures weren't great, but it had this really cool like secondary LCD screen where if you're doing film simulations,
48:23 David Imel? swipe.
48:23 Andrew Manganelli? It would look like the roll of film was in it and you would swipe.
48:27 David Imel? Yeah. This camera feels like the R and D and like design people, all of the money went to that. Because the app is also very good. When you transfer the photos to the phone, you can see the negatives and then they develop and then they turn into positives. This is the type of product where you're just like, hey, this is fun. Yeah. It's not gonna be the best quality thing, but you're gonna have the most fun. Absolutely.
48:47 Andrew Manganelli? And then it's like, so yeah, give me $800, just have fun. You're like, I ain't trying to have that much fun.
48:52 David Imel? This is the problem. Launched at $850. I remember when I did the briefing for this camera, it was like the day after the tariffs got announced and they like wouldn't say the price. And we were like, so are you guys gonna be affected by the tariffs? And they were like, ah, ah. Uh, yeah. And then it launched at $850, which is just $850. Yeah, it's just crazy, man. It's so expensive. Um, really cool camera, really fun, really cute, but $850. So now, um, Adorama is selling the Fujifilm XT5, which is their flagship prosumer camera that is not the medium format GFX cameras. If you buy the, the kit that comes with the XT5 plus the lens, uh, you get an X-Half for free.
49:38 David Imel? Uh, which is funny. Um, the X-Half also on B and H, everyone thought this was just a Black Friday deal, but they'd never like put the price back up. They never stopped. The X-Half, you can now buy for $650. On B and H, it still says $200 off. It's clearly not the MSRP yet, but everyone's still selling it for that. The XT5, it makes sense that they're trying to move units of that because that came out quite a while ago. I think it was like 2022 or something. And, uh, there are rumors that the XT6 is going to come out in September. So it's clear, a lot of these retailers are clearly just trying to move those units, but it's just very funny that they are. Giving away a $650, used to be $850 camera with it.
50:21 Andrew Manganelli? It kinda makes sense cuz it's like, move this, but also like, these cameras are quite a bit different. The X half is like a more fun, like toss in your pocket. This, the XT5, obviously.
50:32 David Imel? Pretty serious camera.
50:33 Andrew Manganelli? It would be a fun thing to have as a side.
50:35 David Imel? Yeah, totally.
50:36 Andrew Manganelli? But it's just so funny, it's like, buy a camera, get a mini camera with it.
50:40 David Imel? For free.
50:40 Andrew Manganelli? This doesn't sell for free.
50:41 David Imel? Yeah, because it's not selling. So, yeah, I mean, again, it's just like, they need to move units because the XT6 is gonna come out soon. So that's really the reason, but.
50:52 Speaker 01 Just getting them out of the inventory. Yeah. We made a bunch, we need to get rid of these, so.
50:57 Andrew Manganelli? You seem like the person who would want it, and you're buying this camera, so have this one too.
51:01 David Imel? I'm curious if sort of the margins or the tariffs like became less of a problem for them. And so now their margins on the X half are big enough that they can actually give these away for a relatively cheap price. Like, I wonder what Adorama buys these from Fujifilm for.
51:18 Speaker 01 Right.
51:19 David Imel? It's probably like 200 bucks, would be my guess.
51:21 Speaker 01 Jeez.
51:22 David Imel? So, yeah. That's just, that was just a pretty funny story that we said.
51:26 Speaker 01 Must be nice.
51:26 David Imel? Okay, I just wanted to bring this up very quickly, we don't have to hang on it too much. But there was this news that, this happened this week. Grok, notably the anti-censored AI.
51:42 Speaker 01 The LLM that's built into X.
51:44 David Imel? Yeah, the LLM is built into X, Elon Musk LLM. You can go on Twitter and you can say, @Grok, do this. And then recently, they, they released photo editing and photo manipulation through like the comments. So if, you can upload a photo to a tweet and you can say, @Grok, change it in this way. When you have a specifically noted as like uncensored LLM, clearly people are gonna start doing heinous things with it.
52:13 Andrew Manganelli? Especially on that platform.
52:14 David Imel? Especially on that platform.
52:16 Speaker 01 Your favorite thing.
52:16 David Imel? This is like, sort of why they made Section 230, but they never expected it to get this insane. Notably, people started doing things with it that you would expect people to start doing things with. Including really bad things. And because of that, you know, there's all these fake nudes that are being made of a lot of people. And at this point, the UK and the EU are taking some action. They are forcing X to retain documents related to Grok until the end of the year so that they can review them. The UK also just passed a law criminalizing non-consensual intimate deep fakes in response. And Twitter responded to this by making the image manipulation feature a X premium feature.
52:55 Andrew Manganelli? The first thing they did was
52:56 David Imel? On desktop.
52:58 Andrew Manganelli? That Grok as a Twitter profile. You could go to it and click the media tab. And like, if you go to that on like one of yours, you would just see all the photos it's posted. But if you were going to Grok and clicking the media tab, it was just a bunch of random people being put in like swimsuits that without their consent and really, really creepy stuff. And then they just nuked the media file on Grok at first to just like make it not so obvious.
53:26 David Imel? And then they made it an X premium feature as if that was going to stop people. Except if you have the dedicated Grok app on your phone, you don't even need premium to use this feature. Anyway, it was, it was a whole thing. The Senate did just pass a bill in the US that would allow people with non-consensual deep fakes to sue for civil damages. So there's
53:47 Speaker 01 To sue Twitter or to sue a person?
53:50 David Imel? I think it's the person who asked Grok to create the image.
53:53 Speaker 01 Wow.
53:53 David Imel? Yeah. So there's probably a lot of stuff that's gonna happen from this. I just wanted to say publicly that Sundar Pichai and Tim Cook should have pulled this from their app store as soon as this started happening.
54:04 Speaker 01 I saw that. Cause I saw people saying, oh, that, but then also all the other apps can do that. They just aren't a meme of publicly doing it.
54:14 Andrew Manganelli? Can they do it with like a totally new image of? Someone in a bikini. Can you upload pictures of somebody and get them to change that? Gemini and that stuff can do it.
54:27 Speaker 01 You can upload features.
54:28 David Imel? But I feel like there's a lot of limitations on what you can do with the photo editing through Gemini.
54:33 Speaker 01 Most likely. They're probably better than what's happening with Grok. I think that was the argument I saw. It was like, oh, you can do this with these other apps and they're not banned. But probably not as easily and probably takes way more effort.
54:44 David Imel? Probably way more effort.
54:45 Speaker 01 Way more prompting and here is Grok just displaying them all on the media tab and it's like very public and it's a meme at this point.
54:50 David Imel? And it was just in the comments.
54:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was everywhere. So it was like, that's the difference. And yeah, that's what I saw.
54:56 David Imel? It's just, I just feel like Google and Apple should have pulled this from their App Store until that they made some serious changes. But they didn't because of politics, because now we live under techno feudalism. So just needed to note that because I felt like we had to talk about it.
55:12 Andrew Manganelli? It was a great timing for Razer to announce that they're gonna use Grok for their stupid little hologram thing.
55:19 David Imel? I'm testing the Tesla Model Y right now and every time I open the menu, there's this big Grok icon. I'm like, why is this built into the car? What are you doing? Like you, I have to use it in the car. Like it's not, I get that there's like Spotify built in, there's Maps built in, there's a Grok button. I haven't pressed it yet, but it's there.
55:38 Andrew Manganelli? I guess Gemini is not an Android Auto yet, right? So.
55:41 David Imel? No, they just announced, yeah, they brought it to Android Auto recently.
55:45 Andrew Manganelli? I thought I just saw someone saying it's not fully in there yet and they're excited for it.
55:48 David Imel? It got announced a couple of months ago. Yeah. Um, I've seen some videos of people using Grok in the car.
55:54 Speaker 01 Like talking to it.
55:55 David Imel? Talking to it. It can be pretty weird.
55:58 Speaker 01 It's, yeah, it's insane. It's actually right up Razer's alley. I'm not shocked they did that at all.
56:02 David Imel? I'm not shocked, I'm just disappointed.
56:07 David Imel? Cause you know, gamers can't afford this, but they also already have the whole like, there's already the whole. Exactly.
56:15 David Imel? Sorry, you can't afford this, I'm sorry. But they have the whole persona of being like the creepy sort of incel thing. And Razer is just kind of like leaning into that, which I don't love. I don't like it. I mean, that one product that we talked about it like last week. Yeah. The CES thing. That's exactly what we're. A companion.
56:34 Speaker 02 I think they're white labeling Project Ava. I, I, late at night, I didn't want to hit the slack because I was kind of embarrassed about like, why are you thinking about this?
56:43 Speaker 02 But I found, I found all of these.
56:45 Andrew Manganelli? Schedule send.
56:46 Speaker 02 These like companies, like one of them is called AI Hollow Box.
56:50 David Imel? Yeah.
56:51 Speaker 02 Like there are all these products that look so similar to the Razer one.
56:55 David Imel? I would not be surprised at all.
56:57 Andrew Manganelli? Somebody in the comments was like, it is kind of like a hologram, it just sucks really bad. Which I don't know what that means, but.
57:04 David Imel? We were saying it was using the translucent.
57:07 Andrew Manganelli? Glass.
57:07 David Imel? Like LEDs, right? Yeah. Yeah.
57:12 Andrew Manganelli? By the way, Ellis, just schedule send next time. Then you can still get it to us without.
57:17 David Imel? Just to really freak us out. Freak us out, yeah. Like, it's, oh, it's okay. Yeah. Anyway, Tim Cook, Sundar, please pull X from your off stars. Let's do another trivia. That's hopefully, hopefully about something a little less depressing. I hope it's a tech question. Is that crazy? It's probably gonna be about like cucumbers or something. I don't know. I don't know.
57:39 Andrew Manganelli? Actually, that would have worked well last week when we talked about pickle.
57:43 David Imel? Hmm, yeah. Wait, did we even do any pickle questions last week? By the way, bread and butter? Best pickle. Best pickle?
57:49 Andrew Manganelli? Bread and butter sucks.
57:50 Speaker 02 You say best pickle? Bread and butter, best pickle?
57:53 David Imel? Best pickle.
57:54 Andrew Manganelli? That might be your worst.
57:55 Speaker 02 Insane.
57:56 David Imel? They're so good.
57:57 Andrew Manganelli? They're the worst.
57:58 David Imel? Bread and butter pickles?
57:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, bread and butter, I agree with you, Andrew.
58:01 David Imel? It's a type of vinegar they put in it that's like sweet.
58:03 Speaker 02 No, it's just, it's just sugar pickle.
58:06 David Imel? That's right. Oh.
58:07 Andrew Manganelli? Candy pickle.
58:08 David Imel? Yeah, candy pickle. Like when I was growing up, I ate a lot of sugar.
58:11 Speaker 04 So, we've been talking about a lot of cameras this week and I've been going down memory lane for a project we're working on with a studio. I was thinking about the granddaddy of all YouTube cameras. We all know it, we all love it.
58:24 David Imel? Candida II.
58:25 Speaker 04 The, that is the granddaughter of the granddaddy. I don't know.
58:29 David Imel? Oh.
58:29 Speaker 04 It's a metaphor. We all know the 2007 Flip Video Ultra.
58:33 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
58:35 Speaker 04 We know it, we love it.
58:35 David Imel? That's true.
58:36 Speaker 04 And I'm just thinking about it. And it's simple interface with few buttons, minimal menus, built-in USB plug.
58:44 David Imel? Plug.
58:44 Speaker 04 It captured 13% of the camcorder market and was the best-selling camcorder on Amazon at the time.
58:50 David Imel? So crazy.
58:51 Speaker 04 And it was cool because you could publish directly to YouTube or AOL video, which is definitely still around. And my question for you is, what was the MSRP for the 1GB version of the 2007 Flip's Video Ultra?
59:08 David Imel? 1GB?
59:10 Speaker 04 There was 1GB and 2GB.
59:12 David Imel? Didn't the guy that started Flip Video also start like a food chain? Like a popular food chain?
59:17 Speaker 04 Probably.
59:17 Speaker 01 Whatever he did, it'll never live up to. It'll never emerge from the shadow of the Flip camera. The Flip camera is iconic to me.
59:24 David Imel? It is so iconic.
59:25 Speaker 01 That being said, I do not remember the price.
59:26 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say, I'm going off of a flash drive I bought my senior year of high school, which would have been 2007.
59:32 David Imel? A 1GB?
59:33 Andrew Manganelli? A 1GB flash drive?
59:34 David Imel? Yeah, but that's not cheap. A monitor, it's gonna have... Dude, I bought a 1GB flash drive in middle school and they accidentally at Staples gave me the 8GB and I was like...
59:44 Speaker 04 You're rich.
59:45 David Imel? Yeah.
59:45 Speaker 04 You're rich.
59:46 David Imel? I was the coolest kid at school, dude. Everyone was jealous of my 8GB, so it was crazy. Yeah.
59:51 Speaker 01 Well, I remember the camera, but I will have to do some digging to try to remember the price.
59:55 David Imel? Is it Price is Right rules?
59:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, Price is Right. Closest without going over.
59:58 Speaker 01 Okay, perfect. All right, that'll be at the end. We'll be right back.
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1:01:53 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. I actually have two stories that I would like to explain to Andrew and David in tech terms. We've had this as a sort of a recurring segment where we bring in something from totally outside the tech world, but in a passion of ours that we try to get you to feel the passion for by using tech analogies for them. I have two. I think I've got my analogies. I'm gonna try. All right? All right, I'm excited. So, the first one, the first bit of news is the Corvette ZR1X, the C8 ZR1X, just became the quickest American production car of all time, and actually, the quickest car ever made with an engine in it.
1:02:33 Speaker 01 It does a 1.7 second 0 to 60 and an 8.6 second quarter mile. It's a $220,000 Corvette. It's obviously a pretty crazy car in the first place. But the outlier in performance that this car represents is totally insane. This C8 platform has been building for a while, really, really insane stuff, but the numbers, the straight-line performance that this car can pull off is equivalent to, it would be easy to say like only like million-dollar cars, but honestly, most million-dollar cars are not this fast. This would be like 3 to 5 to 10 million-dollar cars are occasionally this fast sometimes. The only other car that we've tested that's this fast, Andrew, is the Remac Nevera. Okay.
1:03:16 Speaker 01 The Remac Nevera is several million dollars. It's pure electric, quad motor, 1,800 horsepower, all-wheel drive. This is a Corvette that someone's just gonna buy someday. So, I was trying to explain this in tech terms, and the best I can think of, because I think the story is how much of an outlier it is for performance per dollar. This would be like if the OnePlus 15 had also by far the best camera the Android world has ever seen, and was also $550.
1:03:47 Speaker 02 Wait. I like this, but I think I can do you one better, Marquez.
1:03:50 Speaker 01 I'm down for that, the OnePlus 1.
1:03:51 Speaker 02 And I just want to let everyone know, I like Corvettes. This is not me knocking on Corvettes. But I think the one thing that analogy leaves out is that historically, for performance cars specifically, not for all cars, but for performance cars specifically, Corvettes are the budget option.
1:04:09 Speaker 01 OnePlus.
1:04:10 Speaker 02 I guess, I don't really think of OnePlus as a budget option.
1:04:13 Speaker 01 The history of OnePlus to me has been like, they have been somehow able to, in their prime anyway, like OnePlus 7 days. OnePlus 1. They were the ones that were giving you all of the specs somehow for cheaper than the competition. Flagship kills. So the flagship, yeah, the flagship was Samsung.
1:04:30 Speaker 02 To me, a Corvette that beats out everything. Also, Corvettes historically, compared to other performance cars, made of plastic. And so to me, this is the equivalent of someone puts out a Chromebook that costs $4,500 and is the fastest computer you could buy.
1:04:49 Speaker 01 So it can't do anything?
1:04:50 Speaker 02 No, it can do everything.
1:04:52 Speaker 01 But it's a Chromebook.
1:04:53 Speaker 02 But it's a Chromebook.
1:04:54 Andrew Manganelli? Chromebook Gemini.
1:04:55 Speaker 01 I think this, I think I like my analogy because it hammers home two impossible things, which is one, it's just insane to imagine the OnePlus 15, which kind of has a nerfed camera. Also, like, like, actually think about it, what if it had the best camera you've ever seen by far? Like, the iPhones to shame, the Samsungs to shame, the Xiaomi's are to shame. This is unbelievable camera. Like, actually picture that. Eight hundred dollars? And then it's also $550. That'd be crazy. It would just not make any, how does it have all of this stuff? How is it also the fastest and the best battery? How does it have all this performance? And it's undercutting all of, like, by far all of the flagship. It's half the price of cars like this, or phones like this. Isn't that insane?
1:05:36 Andrew Manganelli? We don't have a direct comparison. We have to make up a thing. You had to put two exemptions on an existing product?
1:05:42 Speaker 01 Exactly. The only car, literally, the only other car that I've ever seen run an eight and a half second quarter mile from the factory is a $3 million Rimac Nevara. It's the only other car I've ever seen do this. Picture the most expensive, you've heard of the Bugattis, right? Like, Bugatti Chiron, it's a three, four, five million dollar car, will run a 9.2 and a two and a half second zero to 60. That's bat [bleep] fast. This is a full half second fast, it's incomprehensibly faster. It's like M1. It doesn't make any sense. It's like the M1 chip. Actually, yeah, it's kind of like if the M1 chip was also a fraction of the price of what it actually was. And they kind of were when they first launched.
1:06:21 Speaker 02 But, but they came out in a device made of plastic, too.
1:06:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, because Apple's known as premium, it would be like if M1 in a Chromebook.
1:06:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, see?
1:06:29 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. You know? It would just be silly, it would be ridiculous, but it's happening. And it's, it's the biggest story in the car world.
1:06:36 Andrew Manganelli? Is there a reason they're able to accomplish this? This, like, clearly every company in the entire world has wanted to be the really, the best that's also cheap.
1:06:46 Speaker 01 That's a great question.
1:06:47 Andrew Manganelli? And should probably sell like hotcakes. So, or... What are the red flags we see going on right now?
1:06:51 Speaker 01 Fair enough. The C8 Corvette, this platform, this newest generation of the Corvette, they have all a bunch of different versions of it that they've been building up to over the years. So there was the base C8, it's mid-engine, it was very popular, it was really good price for performance. And then they started doing more and more higher-end powertrains and we kind of expected them to walk up this ladder and they got more and more impressive. We had the E-Ray here, I don't know if you remember that, that blue Corvette?
1:07:14 David Imel? Yeah.
1:07:14 Speaker 01 It was a hybrid. That's kind of in the same like powertrain as the like hybrid 911 Turbo S or the hybrid Ferrari 296, for example, cars that are similarly fast.
1:07:28 Speaker 01 But it was always cheaper because it's GM, they just, they make, what else do GM make? Cadillacs, Escalades, the Lyric, they make like regular cars.
1:07:38 David Imel? Yeah.
1:07:38 Speaker 01 And they're also making this world-beater supercar, so they just kept walking it up more and more. Now they have this massive engine making 1,000 horsepower, the biggest turbos ever in a production car, and also a front axle 100.6 horsepower electric motor, all-wheel-drive, lightweight, two-door mid-engine supercar. It's just insane. And the red flags are only really that, I don't know if there are any red flags, to be honest. The red flag is that this is going to be on the streets.
1:08:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I agree.
1:08:03 Speaker 01 This is insane.
1:08:04 David Imel? Yeah, you said 1. what?
1:08:06 Speaker 01 1.7 seconds 0 to 60.
1:08:09 David Imel? Is that the fastest car ever?
1:08:10 Speaker 01 It launches harder than the Rimac. The hardest, I mean, a Model 3 Performance is a pretty spicy.
1:08:15 David Imel? When you bought your Model S Plaid. That was probably the fastest car I've ever driven.
1:08:21 Speaker 01 Okay, so that would do a absolute best-case scenario drag strip 2.0 seconds 0 to 60, which is unbelievable. That car was already an anomaly for straight-line acceleration.
1:08:33 David Imel? Yeah.
1:08:33 Speaker 01 This is 40% harder launching than that. That doesn't make any sense.
1:08:40 David Imel? Yeah, that's crazy.
1:08:41 Speaker 01 And again, it accelerates even faster, it traps a higher speed through the quarter-mile, it does an 8.5 seconds, it's crazy. So yeah, it's insane.
1:08:48 Andrew Manganelli? But if you buy it.
1:08:49 Speaker 01 It's plastic.
1:08:51 Speaker 02 I don't want to say it's a cheap car, right? Like, it's a Corvette, it's still a nice car.
1:08:55 Speaker 01 It's a nice car.
1:08:56 Speaker 02 But I think anything else you would buy in that performance category would either be super bare bones, like, no door handles, no AC, like, race car status, or it would be the Bugatti.
1:09:10 Speaker 01 A billion dollars, five million dollars.
1:09:11 Speaker 02 Everything feels like it's made of diamonds.
1:09:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:14 Speaker 02 Qualies. That's why I like the Chromebook. It's like, you're not gonna get the fit and finish of its competitors.
1:09:20 Speaker 01 People buying cars with this much performance usually also want the look-at-me car.
1:09:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:24 Speaker 01 And you wouldn't buy a look-at-me Chromebook.
1:09:28 Speaker 02 But you can.
1:09:29 Speaker 01 But you could. They got a couple of them.
1:09:31 Andrew Manganelli? Chromebook fans real mad right now.
1:09:33 Speaker 01 I'm just saying.
1:09:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:35 Andrew Manganelli? Can we throw?
1:09:35 Speaker 01 That's the first one.
1:09:36 Andrew Manganelli? One other one out there?
1:09:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:38 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah, the second one, I guess, because we kind of started this discussion, but it's another basketball one. We had a lot of fun with the Luca trade, because that was a huge one.
1:09:47 Speaker 01 Luca, I know that guy.
1:09:48 Andrew Manganelli? This is the Trey Young trade, because it seems quite a bit different than the Luca trade. And I would like to understand it better.
1:09:55 Speaker 01 LSU might have to help me with this one, in tech terms. The Luca one was the guy who was the best, and they traded him for nothing, right? That's what happened?
1:10:03 Andrew Manganelli? They traded him for, like, someone who was really good, but has, like, horrible knees and is old, right?
1:10:08 Speaker 01 Who literally just had a season-ending injury, like, last week. Okay, this trade. Yeah. The news is that a player named Trey Young, who was on the Atlanta Hawks, who's their point guard for a long time, since he was drafted, right, to the Hawks?
1:10:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:10:21 Speaker 01 Or traded to the Hawks on draft night.
1:10:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:10:24 Speaker 01 Yeah. He's been on that team for a long time, he's been their point guard. He...
1:10:28 Speaker 02 The face of the team.
1:10:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:10:30 Speaker 01 He was traded for CJ McCollum and Corey Crispert. Two people, two for one.
1:10:35 Andrew Manganelli? Now, before, I kind of mentioned something about CJ. Because I thought he was really good.
1:10:40 Speaker 02 He is good.
1:10:41 Andrew Manganelli? He is good.
1:10:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:10:42 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:10:42 Speaker 02 But I wouldn't...
1:10:43 Andrew Manganelli? I'm rolling this on the fact that I have a friend who apparently went to college with him and thought he was really cool.
1:10:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:49 Andrew Manganelli? And I've heard a lot about him as someone... Who's probably under the level of NBA talent that I should know.
1:10:57 Speaker 01 That's a great observation. You probably would not have heard of CJ McCollum had it not been for this friend that we share.
1:11:03 Andrew Manganelli? Shout out Grover, might be listening to this.
1:11:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, so Trey Young on a middling Eastern Conference team, but he's been the face of the franchise for a while, gets traded to, the Wizards are the worst team in the East, right? Or a third worst or something, bottom feeder.
1:11:17 Andrew Manganelli? They're like just over the Sixers.
1:11:19 Speaker 01 Isn't that the team that Michael Jordan was on? Uh, yeah, that's actually true.
1:11:23 Speaker 02 Why do you know that?
1:11:24 Speaker 01 That's really actually true. Yes, that is a team that Michael Jordan was once on.
1:11:29 Speaker 02 The Pacers are one, two wins behind the Wizards right now.
1:11:35 Speaker 01 Okay, so what you basically have to understand is Trey Young was once thought of as maybe kinda like a second coming of Steph Curry, like has a lot of really good qualities on offense and ran a franchise and was, you know, big stats guy, Trey Young.
1:11:52 Andrew Manganelli? He was so good that Knicks fans absolutely hate him, right?
1:11:57 Speaker 01 That's a great point, yeah.
1:11:59 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know the video, the Bing Bong video?
1:12:01 Speaker 01 Bing Bong.
1:12:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah, and then like right after they go like, F Trey Young, F Trey Young.
1:12:05 Speaker 02 That was something that happened like four years ago, that Knicks fans like still have in their head.
1:12:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, still like the Bing Bong thing. So this guy was kind of a big bad guy in the East and he, yeah, just abruptly got traded this season to one of the worst teams for CJ McCollum, who you probably haven't heard of, and Corey Crisbert, who I'm sure is a nice guy, but that doesn't seem like a very even trade. The gene editing guy? Crisbert.
1:12:31 Andrew Manganelli? Wow, that's. I was gonna say, is that, is that the architectural type that we're trying to figure out?
1:12:36 Speaker 01 I love doing these sports one time, you get the most random anecdotes. Yeah, so that's, that's a pretty, now, in tech terms, this is, this is hard to explain, to fully appreciate, but it would be like.
1:12:50 Speaker 02 Well, so here, I think that one important detail is that no one denies that Trey Young is really good at basketball.
1:12:56 Andrew Manganelli? Alex does.
1:12:57 Speaker 02 But, well.
1:12:58 Speaker 01 He's, he's an Knicks fan, don't worry about him.
1:13:01 Speaker 02 I have so much to say right there. No one denies that he's really good at basketball, but people constantly put into question whether he was the right flavor of good at basketball to take the Atlanta Hawks to where they needed to be.
1:13:17 Speaker 02 And so I'm trying to think if there's like an executive that no one doubted the talent and prowess of, but we're like, this just isn't the right fit.
1:13:25 David Imel? It would be like Apple trading Tim Cook. Well, they are doing that. For, for, oh, wait, wait. For the, the guy, the liquid glass guy. They made the liquid glass guy that they went to Meta. Well, they didn't make a trade. They traded him to Meta.
1:13:42 Speaker 01 It would be like trading him for like the humane CEO.
1:13:46 Andrew Manganelli? FBI already did that.
1:13:47 Speaker 01 And a vending machine.
1:13:50 David Imel? Wait, okay, so let's see, let's see, because they traded the liquid glass guy to Meta, right? So in this case, Meta is.
1:13:57 Speaker 02 The Wizards.
1:13:59 David Imel? The Wizards are really bad.
1:14:01 Speaker 02 The Wizards not only are really bad, but are never good.
1:14:04 David Imel? Meta is really bad and has never been good, too.
1:14:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, but they're a competitor. They're a multi billion, billion dollar.
1:14:11 David Imel? I'm saying like.
1:14:11 Speaker 01 I'm thinking, when I say humane, I'm trying to think of like, you would never make this trade type of moves, you know?
1:14:18 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:14:19 Speaker 01 But technically in the same space.
1:14:20 Andrew Manganelli? Like you, you bought a one plus 15 expecting it to be the perfect camera for every, or perfect phone for everything. And then you started taking pictures and after a while you're like, this just isn't the phone for me. I'm gonna give it to my friend who's going to give me.
1:14:36 David Imel? A Galaxy S20.
1:14:39 Andrew Manganelli? Two Pro and CMF buds or something like.
1:14:43 Speaker 01 I could see CJ McCollum being a CMF phone two pro.
1:14:46 Andrew Manganelli? That's a brand new sentence.
1:14:47 Speaker 01 I could see that, yeah, yeah.
1:14:50 Andrew Manganelli? And crispy cobert is.
1:14:52 Speaker 01 So he's the buds.
1:14:53 David Imel? Cheap but respectable.
1:14:54 Speaker 01 Corey Crisbert is like the S and buds. Yeah, like an accessory. Yeah, yeah.
1:14:57 David Imel? And you're trading the one plus 15?
1:14:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:15:00 David Imel? That's an awful deal.
1:15:01 Andrew Manganelli? And so I guess you're hoping that those two just kind of finish out the season you don't care about. And then you go big game hunting and get a real.
1:15:08 David Imel? Yeah, because the CMF phone two pro will just break in half.
1:15:11 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, so you're just hoping it lasts.
1:15:12 David Imel? Which is why you're gonna have to get a new one.
1:15:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:15 David Imel? Damn.
1:15:15 Speaker 01 That might track. That sounds good.
1:15:17 Speaker 02 I don't know. Is Atlanta gonna try and tank the rest of the season? Like, is that part of the plan?
1:15:21 Speaker 01 Do they keep making trades till the deadline and then we decide if they tank?
1:15:25 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:15:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know if there's a tech equivalent of tanking because nobody wants to get the, nobody actively seeks the worst tech.
1:15:31 Speaker 02 There is like a form of trying to get the worst tech, which is like. Being the guy who like orders the humane pin, the 1X robot, you know, like,
1:15:41 Speaker 01 But those people think they're getting the best tech, unfortunately. Like tanking is actively, you know, are you familiar, you know,
1:15:48 Andrew Manganelli? I know.
1:15:49 Speaker 01 Do you know, so
1:15:50 David Imel? You throw the game on purpose?
1:15:52 Speaker 01 The whole season, if a, if a team is bad enough at the end of the season, they have a better chance of a really good draft pick to get a good player for next season.
1:16:00 David Imel? Do you get higher draft picks if you do worse?
1:16:02 Speaker 02 You want to hear something really funny?
1:16:03 Speaker 01 Essentially.
1:16:03 Speaker 02 In Europe, sports teams are like super capitalist. Like if you do really well, you get more. And if you have a really bad season, you can sometimes get relegated and have to be like in a worse.
1:16:14 David Imel? Which is why the soccer teams, it's like, it's always the same teams. They never.
1:16:17 Speaker 01 They're always trying to be the best.
1:16:18 Speaker 02 In the United States,
1:16:20 David Imel? United.
1:16:20 Speaker 02 Where we do, we do sports communism, where if you get a, if you just suck, you get to draft players first the next season.
1:16:30 Speaker 01 Sick, yeah.
1:16:30 Speaker 02 So, and it helps keep everyone kind of competitive. So the idea of tanking is being like, our team is really bad. We're, if we try our hardest, we will do really bad. So let's not try at all and make sure we're the last place team.
1:16:44 David Imel? Hmm.
1:16:44 Speaker 02 And have the best odds of getting a really great draft pick.
1:16:47 Andrew Manganelli? Quick question. In the NBA, do you guys make slogans like for when a team's really bad? Like I just pulled up a thread of NHL slogans where it was like fall for haul. Cause the number one pick was like haul.
1:16:57 David Imel? Trust the process, yeah.
1:17:01 Speaker 01 There we go.
1:17:02 David Imel? Is someone's name Trust?
1:17:03 Speaker 01 If it, cause the, the idea is if you're a middling team, then you're like not good enough to like win playoff series, but you're not bad enough to get a good pick. So you get like a not that great draft pick and then you're stuck in the middle because it doesn't change anything. So if you're in the middle, you just start to just get worse. Just like stop trying, sit your best players, tank, get to the bottom, then you'll get a good draft.
1:17:24 David Imel? Are there penalties for doing that intentionally?
1:17:27 Speaker 01 Weak ones. Not really.
1:17:29 David Imel? Cause then at the end of the, then at the end of the season, all the bad teams are just like, oh, I don't know what a basketball is.
1:17:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. Fighting for the worst product.
1:17:37 Speaker 02 Wait, there is a tech version of tanking. I totally just realized it.
1:17:41 Speaker 01 What is it?
1:17:42 Speaker 02 It's, it's when you're Meta or Google or Amazon and you lay off like 10, 15,000 people at one time.
1:17:49 David Imel? To make your stock price go up.
1:17:50 Speaker 02 So that you can report a bunch of losses for that year on your taxes. Be like, oh, we're the worst.
1:17:55 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:56 Speaker 02 And then your shareholder. Inflate the stock price?
1:18:00 Speaker 01 No.
1:18:00 Speaker 02 That's tech tanking.
1:18:01 Speaker 01 There is tanking. That's tanking. That's wild.
1:18:03 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:04 Speaker 01 Yeah. Anyway, I don't know if we got a perfect analogy for that one, but I'm glad we got to cover it.
1:18:07 Andrew Manganelli? I liked my OnePlus 1.
1:18:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, the OnePlus 1 feels...
1:18:11 David Imel? OnePlus 1 was a good phone.
1:18:12 Speaker 01 CJ McCollum feels like a CMF Phone 2 Pro. Most people have not heard of that phone or that player.
1:18:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:18:17 Speaker 01 But they're like, decent and like a good contract.
1:18:20 David Imel? You should send him one and see what he says.
1:18:21 Andrew Manganelli? I was, I hope CJ, one, doesn't listen to this podcast and two, isn't like a huge Android fan and is gonna feel so mad about it.
1:18:28 David Imel? We, to be clear, we like that phone.
1:18:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18:30 Andrew Manganelli? It was a nice phone.
1:18:31 Speaker 02 I like CJ McCollum.
1:18:32 Speaker 01 He won an award. Hopefully now by the end of the segment, everyone here can appreciate how ridiculous a ZR1X is and how crazy the Trey Young trade was. Now let's do trivia.
1:18:42 Andrew Manganelli? Bing bong.
1:18:43 Speaker 01 Your life.
1:18:45 Speaker 02 The lyrics to the trivia music is bing bong.
1:18:49 David Imel? The witch is dead?
1:18:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:18:51 Speaker 01 Bing bing ba bong bong.
1:18:57 David Imel? I miss Crazy Frog.
1:18:58 Speaker 02 What's going on? Inspired by listener Sam.
1:19:02 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:19:03 David Imel? Thanks, Sam.
1:19:05 Speaker 02 What is the name of the iconic New Jersey architectural style that is alliterative and the first word is a city in North Jersey?
1:19:15 Andrew Manganelli? I forgot your laptop has the grass skin on it.
1:19:18 David Imel? You didn't know what that feeling was? You never felt anything like that before?
1:19:21 Speaker 01 North Jersey?
1:19:22 Andrew Manganelli? You said, and it's based on a city around here.
1:19:26 Speaker 02 Yeah. I don't know. I don't know North Jersey geography well enough to say it's around here.
1:19:33 Speaker 02 I know it's near here. I know it's like...
1:19:35 Andrew Manganelli? Can we get one point for each? Cause none of us are getting this. One point per word, correct?
1:19:40 Speaker 02 Sure, sure, sure, sure.
1:19:41 Andrew Manganelli? Which means I'm just guessing a city.
1:19:44 Speaker 02 And we might as well throw a second word in there.
1:19:46 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, you're serious?
1:19:47 Speaker 02 Flip them and read.
1:19:50 David Imel? I wrote hoboken hazards.
1:19:54 Speaker 02 That's hilarious. Yeah, neither of those are correct.
1:19:56 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote Newark Nail.
1:19:57 Speaker 02 That is also.
1:19:58 David Imel? Nail?
1:19:59 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know. He said write another one.
1:20:01 David Imel? I wrote Newark Nue.
1:20:04 Speaker 02 It's also wrong, but I like that. It sounds like a typeface.
1:20:07 David Imel? Yeah.
1:20:07 Speaker 02 The correct answer was the Bayonne Box.
1:20:12 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:20:12 Speaker 02 The Bayonne Box.
1:20:14 Andrew Manganelli? That sounds like a, um, like an early bird special.
1:20:19 Speaker 02 Yo, I got the Bayonne Box. That's cool. I got the munchie meal.
1:20:22 Andrew Manganelli? That actually makes a ton of sense. I'm pretty sure all of Bayonne.
1:20:25 David Imel? How do you spell Bayonne?
1:20:26 Andrew Manganelli? B A Y O N N E.
1:20:28 David Imel? Why the Bayonne Box can't be phased out. Nice.
1:20:31 Speaker 04 It's a good article, actually.
1:20:32 David Imel? Really?
1:20:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:20:33 David Imel? All right. Well, I don't own one because I'll never own a home. Let's move on. What's the next one?
1:20:39 Speaker 04 Question number two is about our beloved 2007 camera, the Flip Video Ultra. And my question for you is Price is Right rules. What was the original MSRP for the camera?
1:20:53 Andrew Manganelli? What was the resolution on that bad boy?
1:20:55 Speaker 04 720p.
1:20:57 David Imel? I feel like this would make a cool noise.
1:21:03 David Imel? I could hear that being in like a Wolfpack song or something. Decent noise.
1:21:07 Andrew Manganelli? There is a, can I see that? There is a musical instrument that's like.
1:21:11 David Imel? Yeah.
1:21:12 Speaker 01 Do you know what it's called?
1:21:13 David Imel? Scraper.
1:21:14 Andrew Manganelli? It's, they use one in Rusted Roots, Send Me On My Way.
1:21:16 Speaker 02 I would give someone a trivia point if they knew what that was called.
1:21:20 David Imel? I, I can picture it. I just don't know the name.
1:21:22 Speaker 02 Make the first sound.
1:21:24 David Imel? Washboard?
1:21:24 Speaker 02 A washboard is an example, but it wasn't what I was thinking.
1:21:26 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, that's a great.
1:21:27 David Imel? I wish I knew.
1:21:28 Speaker 02 I'm talking about the one that's typically shaped like a fish.
1:21:30 Andrew Manganelli? It's made of. Yeah, it's like.
1:21:32 David Imel? Fishboard.
1:21:32 Andrew Manganelli? Fish looking.
1:21:33 Speaker 02 Actually, wait, the name I added to my head is wrong. I'm thinking of it.
1:21:36 David Imel? So do I get the point for washboard?
1:21:37 Andrew Manganelli? Can I name a song that has it in it?
1:21:39 Speaker 04 No.
1:21:40 David Imel? I just name something about it.
1:21:43 Speaker 04 Oh, it is shaped like a fish.
1:21:44 Speaker 01 No, I had it right. I was right. I was. What is it? What is it called? It's called a gyro. Like a, like a Greek sandwich?
1:21:51 Andrew Manganelli? Like a gyro?
1:21:53 Speaker 01 Let's see if anyone got the price right of this one gig flip cam.
1:21:55 Speaker 04 All right, one gig. What do you got?
1:21:57 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, I went really expensive.
1:21:59 Speaker 04 All right.
1:21:59 Andrew Manganelli? Whoopsie.
1:22:00 Speaker 04 David's got eighty dollars.
1:22:02 Speaker 01 I've got seventy-nine ninety-nine specifically.
1:22:04 Speaker 04 Sorry.
1:22:04 Speaker 01 Just in case, that's the real price. Okay, but, but.
1:22:08 Andrew Manganelli? I just want you to know, that's how much my one gig flash drive was.
1:22:12 Speaker 04 Oh my god.
1:22:12 Andrew Manganelli? When I was a senior in high school.
1:22:14 Speaker 01 That's how much I paid at Staples, and then they gave me the eight gigabyte.
1:22:16 Speaker 04 Old, okay, Andrew, how much do you do?
1:22:19 Andrew Manganelli? Three hundred and twenty-nine dollars.
1:22:20 Speaker 04 Three hundred and twenty is not correct. That's a little too much.
1:22:24 Speaker 01 Kids can't afford this.
1:22:25 Speaker 04 Andrew's gone over. Marquez.
1:22:27 Speaker 01 So I might get this. I, I wrote one forty-nine ninety-seven.
1:22:30 Andrew Manganelli? Ninety-seven?
1:22:32 Speaker 04 And it's another W from Marquez, unfortunately.
1:22:35 Speaker 01 Why did you do that?
1:22:35 Speaker 04 And the original MSRP was one forty-nine.
1:22:40 Andrew Manganelli? Ooh, wait.
1:22:41 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:22:41 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:22:44 Speaker 01 That's a great Price is Right guess, Marquez. A great Price is Right guess.
1:22:48 Andrew Manganelli? No, actually, that's a terrible.
1:22:49 Speaker 01 What?
1:22:49 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, no, hold on. That's a terrible Price is Right guess because ninety-nine, you would get right on the nail, which means you get the product, right?
1:22:58 Speaker 01 I thought there was a chance someone would guess one fifty, so I was like, let me guess right under one.
1:23:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, so you should have done ninety-nine.
1:23:03 Speaker 04 I think, okay, so according to CNET, it says it was one hundred and forty-nine dollars, but there is no longer an Amazon page for this.
1:23:10 Speaker 01 What about, wait, you should have looked at the Wikipedia price.
1:23:13 Speaker 04 If you can find it.
1:23:15 Speaker 01 That would be a devastating.
1:23:16 Andrew Manganelli? Right, it would.
1:23:16 Speaker 02 Can you say old one more time into the microphone?
1:23:19 Speaker 04 Old.
1:23:21 Andrew Manganelli? It's, I guess like, you're, you would be fighting against if it was ninety-seven, but it's so rarely ninety-seven unless it's a Costco item that's getting kicked off soon.
1:23:31 Speaker 01 Should have done ninety-eight at least.
1:23:32 Speaker 04 Would you like to know the price with inflation, how much it would be now?
1:23:35 Andrew Manganelli? Three hundred twenty-nine dollars.
1:23:36 Speaker 01 Hmm, that sounds, it's probably more. It's probably five hundred.
1:23:39 Andrew Manganelli? Probably like five hundred.
1:23:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:23:41 Speaker 04 It would be two hundred and thirty-two US dollars now.
1:23:44 Speaker 01 That's it? What a deal.
1:23:46 Speaker 04 For seven twenty P?
1:23:48 Speaker 01 That's a deal.
1:23:49 Andrew Manganelli? Well, but you'd also.
1:23:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's why.
1:23:51 Andrew Manganelli? Change the resolution by inflation, by resolution inflation.
1:23:53 Speaker 01 Resolution inflation?
1:23:54 Andrew Manganelli? That's four K.
1:23:55 Speaker 04 It's four K.
1:23:58 Speaker 01 Can we get a score update?
1:23:59 David Imel? But do you want to know, like, hold on. You want to know who Flip got acquired by? It'll make you cry.
1:24:04 Speaker 04 I unfortunately know this is.
1:24:05 Andrew Manganelli? AOL.
1:24:06 David Imel? It's worse.
1:24:07 Speaker 01 Hardware?
1:24:08 David Imel? No.
1:24:09 Andrew Manganelli? Facebook?
1:24:09 David Imel? Sort of, yes. Yes, hardware, but also software.
1:24:12 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:24:13 David Imel? But it's also essential, unfortunately.
1:24:15 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:24:15 Speaker 01 Is it HP?
1:24:16 David Imel? Close.
1:24:17 Andrew Manganelli? EZ Pass.
1:24:18 Speaker 02 Even more essential, even more terrible.
1:24:20 Speaker 01 It's EZ Pass.
1:24:21 David Imel? It's Cisco.
1:24:23 Speaker 01 Oh, right.
1:24:24 David Imel? Like Y.
1:24:25 Speaker 01 Right.
1:24:26 David Imel? Like why?
1:24:27 Speaker 01 I remember that happening.
1:24:28 David Imel? Yeah.
1:24:29 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, does Cisco with the Y?
1:24:31 Speaker 02 No, with the I.
1:24:31 Speaker 01 Oh. C I S C O.
1:24:33 David Imel? No, yeah, C I S C O, yeah, not S Y S C O.
1:24:36 Speaker 02 And not Ciscom.
1:24:37 David Imel? Yeah.
1:24:38 Speaker 01 That is really depressing, wow. Anyway, I would love a score update. It'd be way better.
1:24:41 David Imel? Sorry. Yeah.
1:24:43 Speaker 02 David holding up the rear with 11.
1:24:45 Speaker 01 I always do.
1:24:46 Speaker 02 Points. Mark has.
1:24:48 Andrew Manganelli? He's tanking.
1:24:48 Speaker 02 Holding ahead.
1:24:49 David Imel? Tanking.
1:24:50 Speaker 02 12 points. And Andrew.
1:24:52 David Imel? I'm tanking.
1:24:54 Speaker 02 Trailblazing, CJ McCollum style.
1:24:56 Andrew Manganelli? Is he number 14?
1:24:57 Speaker 02 You have 14 points, Andrew.
1:24:59 Andrew Manganelli? 14?
1:25:00 Speaker 02 14 points.
1:25:02 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Okay, so he invented the Melt, the burger chain, the grilled cheese chain, the Melt.
1:25:09 Speaker 02 CJ McCollum?
1:25:11 Speaker 01 Sorry, the Flip video guy. They have it in San Francisco.
1:25:14 Speaker 02 I was gonna be like, oh my god.
1:25:16 Speaker 01 It's a grilled cheese chain.
1:25:18 Speaker 02 I thought it was a Mac and cheese.
1:25:20 Speaker 01 He also did the voice for one of the Saja boys. I'm just kidding. All right. This is a perfect time to end this podcast. We're going off the rails.
1:25:27 Speaker 02 It also wasn't him.
1:25:28 David Imel? The better time was yesterday.
1:25:29 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:25:30 Speaker 02 That was a Cisco joke.
1:25:31 Speaker 01 Thank you for watching and for listening and for learning with us. So that we could, of course, you know, get trivia points, but also come away better educated than we were coming in. Catch you guys next week. Peace.
1:25:45 Andrew Manganelli? Bye. We have a performance brought to you by Admela and Ellis Raven and Mariah Zank. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro to our music is created by Vane Sil.
1:25:52 Speaker 01 Bingo.
1:26:01 Speaker 01 We'll take the Statue of Liberty if you want to give us-
1:26:02 Andrew Manganelli? Well, cuz it's ours.
1:26:03 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no.
1:26:04 Andrew Manganelli? Give us, it's ours.
1:26:05 Speaker 01 It's next to each other. Oh, yeah, it's on our side of the line.
1:26:07 Andrew Manganelli? The Statue of Liberty is over the New Jersey state line.
1:26:09 Speaker 01 Is it actually? If you want to give us Staten Island, we are fully claiming the Statue of Liberty.
1:26:13 David Imel? That's fine.
1:26:14 Speaker 01 Ellis Island, the whole thing.
1:26:15 David Imel? Oh, Ellis Island too?
1:26:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:18 Andrew Manganelli? I don't really...
1:26:19 David Imel? You can have it if you want. I mean, if it means that you take Staten Island, then I think I'd make that deal.
1:26:24 Speaker 01 Whoa.
1:26:25 Andrew Manganelli? Listen, to all our Staten Island viewers, we love you. Yeah.
1:26:29 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, we-
1:26:29 Andrew Manganelli? There's some good sandwiches there.
1:26:31 David Imel? Yeah. But I don't have anything-
1:26:32 Andrew Manganelli? I just think you should stay in New York.
1:26:34 Speaker 01 I just think you're New Yorkers.
1:26:35 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:26:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:36 David Imel? I don't know, man.
1:26:37 Andrew Manganelli? Something wrong with that?
1:26:38 Speaker 01 Um... Alright, well, we'll definitely learn something about it.
1:26:40 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
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