Where Are They Now?: Scammer Edition w/ Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson (Fraud Friday)

This Fraud Friday, Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson (Guys We Fcked Podcast) join us to get an update on some of our favorite scammers: Anna Delvey, Elizabeth Holmes & The Tinder Swindler. Plus, a Chinese college student spends 21 days living a luxurious life for free as part of an art project for school. Stay Schemin’! (Originally released 03/01/2022) CON-gregation, keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Corinne Fisher: @philanthropygal Krystyna Hutchinson: @krystynahutch Research By Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/how-anna-delvey-tricked-new-york.html https://www.insider.com/anna-delvey-writes-about-inventing-anna-and-life-in-jail-2022-2 https://www.insider.com/netflix-paid-anna-delvey-sorokin-tv-series-victim-fund-2021-1 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/13/elizabeth-holmes-sentence-september-fraud https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/tech/elizabeth-holmes-verdict/index.html https://www.etonline.com/tinder-swindler-simon-leviev-joins-cameo-signs-with-manager-inside-his-hollywood-plans-179407 https://www.insideedition.com/exclusive-alleged-tinder-swindler-simon-leviev-speaks-on-money-romance-and-allegations-in-1st-sit https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a38819028/tinder-swindler-netflix-true-story-simon-leviev/ https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a38955743/tinder-swindler-simon-leviev-true-story-where-is-he-now/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/17531724/simon-levievs-bodyguard-peter/ https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/verdict-reached-in-michael-avenatti-fraud-trial-over-stormy-daniels-book-money.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10289325/Student-stays-Beijing-three-weeks-without-spending-penny-disguising-socialite.html

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• 2:02Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:44Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? Welcome back to another installment of Scam Goddess. It is I, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and this is the podcast that celebrates fraud and all those who practice and preach it. Amen. Guys, you know, I'm very, yes, I'm very excited, elated, ecstatic. We lit. Happy to be here. We have two amazing guests for you today. They're hosts of the Trail Blazin' Podcast. Guys, we fucked. The Anti-Slut Shaming Podcast. Their new hour comedy special, Hour Special Day, is on their YouTube channel, right? Neo, get on the U's and the tubes and click on that right after this. They've just announced a new TV series, come on, Televisión for Fox, based on their podcast.

• 3:27Laci Mosley?

  We love some creative queens. Congregation, please welcome Corinne Fisher and Christina Hutchinson. Hi, ladies.

• 3:35Speaker 06

  Hi, Lacey. What an intro. That's my favorite one so far. Yeah, you get the best intro award for sure.

• 3:40Laci Mosley?

  Thank you. We like to give the girls their flowers while they're living, okay? Not on the tombstone, you know?

• 3:46Speaker 06

  I appreciate that.

• 3:47Laci Mosley?

  Like, I'm trying to have a funeral while I'm alive, you know? And I can just sit in the back like, mm, I was great. You know, damn, she crying a lot.

• 3:57Laci Mosley?

  I want to pass out tissues at my own funeral. I just want everybody to just be so sad.

• 4:03Speaker 06

  That's the only way to live.

• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  Right? I think we all deserve to do that. We all fake our death a little bit, do a little Queen Elizabeth, and you know, watch from the back.

• 4:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, see how much we were loved.

• 4:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I need to know. Um, so I love to ask in the beginning of the podcast, and either of you can go first, what's your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? It could literally be anything. Uh, I'd just like to see where you are on the scam gamut.

• 4:30Speaker 06

  I mean, if you're gonna scam one of us, it's definitely gonna be me.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  I fall for that shit. I fall for that shit. I have a lot of empathy, uh, some naivete, some gullibility. Uh, I was, when I first moved to New York City, um, there, it happened many times where like a guy would at, come up to me and tell me about like his wife needs surgery and I'm like, oh my God, that's so sad. We can't afford it. Oh my God. And then he would walk with me to an ATM and I was like, where are we going? And he's like, can you give us money? And I'm like, oh, yeah. And I did. Like, I, yeah, I fall, I've fallen for a lot of shit.

• 5:04Laci Mosley?

  Listen, Chris, Christina, I'm hearing a little, a bit of shame when you say this. Don't be ashamed of this. I've been scammed many times. I have also been scammed by the, mine was a woman on the street in college who said that her grand, her mother was in the hospital, her baby was at daycare and her car had run out of gas. So it was a whole situation. And she also walked me to an ATM and, and listen, I think that you did the right thing. There's no way for us to know. How sociopathic would it be if you gave somebody money on the street who said that they were in need and then you came back like three days later, okay, like, let me see the receipt. You got that, you got that Cedar Sinai bill? Like, how your wife doing? She get the surgery or no? Like, it would be crazy.

• 5:42Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not, and then they, they just put you in a position where it's, I, it's hard for me to say no. So when you tell me like you're going through a hardship, I'm like, I can't, I can't say no to that. Corinne's way better at it.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  I love GoFundMe on foot though. I love me GoFundMe on foot. Like he was like, I'm GoFundMe, but he's like doing the work. He's out here getting the steps then. I'm not mad at it. And I will say Christina, you don't even know, like, maybe that worked out in your favor safety wise too, because I found out later that the lady who was doing the, my baby at daycare, my mom in the hospital scam, if you didn't give her coins, honey, she was hitting people with bricks. Like, you know?

• 6:17Speaker 06

  Oh, oh my God. So I saved my own life possibly. I've also, I've also been scammed in that I've gotten breast exams when I shouldn't have.

• 6:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay, go on.

• 6:29Speaker 06

  I think twice a doctor, like one time I was going to a doctor in the upree- like I was just moved to New York and I needed blood work for a job. I forget what the fuck job did I need blood work for? But anyway, I needed like a checkup, like a standard checkup and the guy gave me a breast exam and I was like, I left the doctor's office and I was like, wait a second. Was that supposed to happen? I didn't thi- I, and I called up all my friends and they were all like, nope. And I'm like, oh damn. Okay.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I just feel like your titties probably didn't have anything to do with employment.

• 6:57Speaker 06

  They didn't.

• 6:58Laci Mosley?

  They didn't ask about your titties at the, at the job house. Now, but okay, was the exam good? Did it feel like a real exam? Was he really checking for lumps and dimples and shit or?

• 7:07Speaker 06

  He was more like pat, like patting it, like cup, like he was cupping a ball, but it was my tit. Yeah.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh no.

• 7:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, as it was happening, you had to hold your arm up, you know, and I was like, I don't know, this is supposed to happen. And there was not, he was a male doctor. There was no female in the room. Usually when a male doctor and it's a female patient. Yeah, exactly. Just so like a third party to be there. And there wasn't any, I was looking around, I was like, there's supposed to be like a nurse here, right? And I'm like, damn it.

• 7:32Laci Mosley?

  Not damn it.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  I never had an assistant in the room when there's, when there's a male doctor. I mean, my OBGYN is female, but I never heard that rule about having like a female. It's not like the airport. Well, whenever there's a female or a male gynecologist, there's always has to be a nurse in the room.

• 7:51Laci Mosley?

  I always thought it was just a rule. Yeah, I always thought it was just, most of my gynecologists have been male. I will say that. And I do prefer a male gynecologist just because I've had women gynecologists and it just feels like, cause if they're cisgendered women, they got a vagina there. They're like, I got this shit. They putting the duck lips in all cold and just like crack, crack, crack, crack. Like they didn't get all rough with your pussy. Cause like, I got one. It's fine. I know this is fine. But I feel like all of the male gynecologists I've had have been like, is this fine? Are you, do you need more of this cold jelly lube, miss lady? Like they just feel like they're like a little afraid of the coochie still.

• 8:25Speaker 06

  Right, right.

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  But I'm saying regardless of gender, anytime I pulled out any genitals, there's always been two people in the room. So.

• 8:32Speaker 06

  Me too. I, I can't, I guess like the nurse is just like there to like take the garbage and stuff a lot of the time, but I didn't. Know that was like, I didn't know that was like a hard and fast rule. Yeah, like a third party. Yeah.

• 8:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but yeah, this man, he almost had me when he said, put the arm up because the arm is a little bit a part of it. You know, but then the cup, cup, cup, I feel like he's supposed to be pinching or something. I don't.

• 8:54Speaker 06

  Right. Grab it or I, I don't know. And I just, I was looking around like, this is weird. I don't know about this. And then, yeah, I guess I got scammed into getting felt up.

• 9:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the, the ultimate scam of being a woman is at some point, somebody probably will do something inappropriate to you. And yeah, but I'm sorry to hear that. Uh, but, but you know, hopefully the man's wife got his surgery.

• 9:21Laci Mosley?

  Corinne, do you, have you had an experience with scams? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Are you a mark? Are you a scammer?

• 9:27Speaker 06

  Well, I was like, I was listening to the examples of scams and I was just like, oh, I thought you meant a scam was like, how to get like a free burger at Burger King. I didn't know it was like how, how to avoid getting robbed on the street or sexually assaulted.

• 9:42Speaker 06

  How I would categorize a scam. I was going to come on and like, tell you how to get to like a front section at Madison Square Garden when you only pay for like a back ticket. Like that's, those are my versions of scams.

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  This is also on the right track. How do you, how do you do that? I am intrigued.

• 9:57Speaker 06

  I was thinking of it. I don't know that I've ever, I mean, I'm, listen, we've all been scammed. We live in America. We're human. We've all been scammed. But I can't think of one that actually like screwed me over long-term yet.

• 10:09Laci Mosley?

  That's not required.

• 10:10Speaker 06

  With like, you know, there's a lot of opportunities to get scammed in, uh, being a comedian. Uh, when you start out, there's a lot of people who like, say like to perform five, 10 minutes, you have to bring 10 or 20 people to the show. I mean, I think bringer shows in general are a scam, but it is, it's like a very transparent scam.

• 10:29Laci Mosley?

  It is, but I. That's a scam that and and and scams don't have to be something super huge. They can be the smallest little things, any way you can get over. Bringer scams are definitely, when I was living in New York City, like shout out to all my friends from college, my relatives who were in the tri-state, who I would trick into coming to see me do five minutes of stand-up just so. And they and you know, they make you pay, they make them pay at the door, then they got a drink minimum.

• 10:53Speaker 06

  Food drink minimum, yup. To see a bunch of newbies do five, yeah.

• 10:57Laci Mosley?

  Right, to see me, the person you already know, do some jokes.

• 11:02Speaker 06

  Talk, yeah. Yeah, I feel like Corinne, Corinne is really good at like getting things, like she said, like she can sneak into a front row or like sneak into a party or something like scamming people that doesn't involve taking their money, but involves like, you know, getting something more than what you paid for.

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  No, that's still a scam. I still want to hearken back to the Madison Square Garden, like how did the girls get to the front?

• 11:22Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, I think this, this was, there was a, there's, I, this is something I learned on another podcast. It wasn't my idea, but someone just like brought it up in a segment that in the olden days, you could buy a one ticket to the front standing room only of a venue like a Madison Square Garden or probably works on any of them. And then you just switch it out between your friends because you can scan in using the same barcode as many times as possible. So I guess in the age of like digital phones and stuff, you could just, if you, as long as you have the barcode, you basically go with a group of five, you know, or more, and everyone is using the same standing room barcode and the other people get nosebleed seats,

• 12:02Speaker 06

  but then everyone can end up in standing room, you know, especially because there's no seat that you have to end up in. It's just standing in this open space. So that was the scam. I don't know if that still works or not, or, but sounds good to me.

• 12:16Laci Mosley?

  I think that would still work because the thing about that is you're not using the barcode to get into the venue. You buy the cheapest seats up in the nosebleeds and then everybody uses the one VIP ticket, which they know it's already been scanned because you had to get in there. So that's cute. And then we just keep passing it back. Somebody go to the bathroom or hand it outside of the section. I like this, okay.

• 12:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, the only thing is you need to know the structure because obviously they change different stadiums depending if it's like. A sports game or if it's a concert, but Madison Square Garden and similar sites show you the layout of the arena that you're going to ahead of time. So you know where the stage is going to be. You know if there's a general admission area. So it's only works with places with general admission spaces. But yes, seemingly I don't see how they could really work around that.

• 13:00Laci Mosley?

  So you just have to do it basically like Ocean's Eleven style. You get on Ticketmaster and you print out the venue and y'all are all strategizing in the nosebleeds.

• 13:10Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 13:11Laci Mosley?

  I love this. I mean, guys, give it a try, especially during these pandemic times. These concerts are probably hella unorganized. So you know, this is probably really the time to just get up on stage. So you can just get Beyonce's sweat right on your face.

• 13:25Speaker 06

  Yes. I'm always in the front row for her.

• 13:28Laci Mosley?

  Right. I haven't been in the front row yet. I've been to two Beyonce concerts. I need, I want to do the VIP experience.

• 13:32Speaker 06

  The Beehive one, oh, and the last tour, the On The Run 2 tour where they had like Jay-Z and Beyonce had the, the stage was so fucking cool. And they had this object that went over the front row section. Like, so you could, oh, so you could see the back of them and the front of them without moving. It's all, it was awesome.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  It was. I was there, but I was like on the side, like up in the audience area. And I was like, I need, but they weren't my tickets. So I'm like, next time I'm gonna get so close that I have to work Beyonce's fan. Like, I want to be behind the fan moving it, you know, making sure we keeping our queen dry. So, dry and cool. But yeah, no, that's great. I think much of life is a scam. So from big to small, if you can get over just a little bit, I'm into it.

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• 17:53Laci Mosley?

  Let's get to our first segment here. What's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the street. And more often than not, these days, we get a letter from you guys. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up yo bag. Amen. So we have a letter here and Christina, Corinne, either of you like, I just need a fake name. Gender doesn't matter. We don't care about that for this person. Madeline. Madeline. Oh, that reminds me of the books, Madeline. Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, of course.

• 18:27Laci Mosley?

  So Madeline says, so I've got a scam for you. It happened 20 years ago. Okay, a moment in time.

• 18:32Speaker 06

  Letting the time fly.

• 18:33Laci Mosley?

  So that's just 2002. When I heard 20 years ago, my brain said 1980, but no, that's 2002.

• 18:42Speaker 06

  Oops.

• 18:43Laci Mosley?

  That's why I paused because I was about to like, okay, shoulder pads, okay, way too much blush. But no, this is 2002. This is jousting and belts where your stomach is for some reason.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Low-rise jeans.

• 18:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes. Low-rise jeans where just the pants just stop at your clitoris. That's where they end.

• 19:01Speaker 06

  Cover your pubes.

• 19:02Laci Mosley?

  Right. It was pubes hanging out on top. Why? Why? Why did we let people do that to us?

• 19:07Speaker 06

  That's a good question.

• 19:09Laci Mosley?

  Genzie was trying to bring it back and we said, ah, no. Those pants are never coming back. Okay? If anything, bring the waist higher. Make the top of the pants a bra.

• 19:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 19:20Laci Mosley?

  I want it. I want the pants to get hit my neck.

• 19:24Laci Mosley?

  So twenty years ago, I was a college student on study abroad in Italy. First study abroad is a scam and I loved it. It is. It's low key is a scam. Um, please let me go on study abroad now. I'd appreciate it so much more than when I was a baby college student. That's true. When I was in London, I think I appreciated it. I think I did things, but I could have did more. Um, but yeah, I'm with you. Did you guys study abroad?

• 19:45Speaker 06

  No, no, but I, I went, I went, I, I went to London when I was in eighth grade and I was just like, what the fuck is this? Like I was amazed by, I, I should have studied abroad.

• 19:55Laci Mosley?

  I mean, studying abroad really just gave me a sense of how trash America was. I remember going to the grocery store and they just had the eggs out. They weren't refrigerated or bleached. I said, what is this? Brown egg just sitting out in the air and whatnot. And they were like, this is how eggs supposed to look. I cracked the yolk. It was like orangey. I said, why y'all looking at this?

• 20:12Speaker 06

  Cause the chickens are healthier. Yeah, yeah.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  We were talking about, uh, processed diet foods. Honestly, green eggs and ham propaganda. That's when we started learning about our foods being diet and the FDA fucking us up in America. We was like, yeah, green eggs. Why not? Makes sense.

• 20:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. When you, when I, when I traveled to London as an adult, cause I've been there a couple of times. It's wild to know like certain food is illegal there, like it's banned because it's got ingredients that are poisonous. And you're like, damn, that says something.

• 20:42Laci Mosley?

  It also fucks me up that like Fireball, I guess, has some antifreeze components when it's sold in America. But then when it's sold everywhere else, they just take that ingredient out. And I'm like, well, why can't y'all just take it out for everybody? I don't know. Y'all like, no, we gonna keep it in America.

• 20:55Speaker 06

  Wow, wow, wow, wow. That makes sense. Yeah.

• 20:59Laci Mosley?

  So she says, I'm studying abroad as a baby college student, said I'd have been in Italy about a month and could fake my way through carrying on a conversation in Italian and was going on a group trip down the coast for a few nights. We stayed at a typical European tourist hotel, not fancy, but nicer than the hostels. Okay. I've stayed in one of those cause I couldn't do the hostel situation. I don't know how you sleep. I, I get it if the finances are where the fin- and they, where they financing. Uh, but I would just be very nervous to sleep in a room on a cot with a bunch of strangers, like with all my belongings. Like I gotta sleep on top of my belongings.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, like hugging your. Yeah.

• 21:34Laci Mosley?

  I feel like there was probably a time and a place in life where it was safer, but now it's just too scary out here. But I see it. So it says this one hotel in Posano was lovely with beach access and a big patio. Girl, what this got to do with the scam? Okay, um, so she says she was at a nice spot. I'm skipping ahead a little bit, Madeline. Uh, I appreciate you painting a picture, but girl, we got, we got things to do. So she says she's at this cute spot in Posano and there's this man and he's like playing the piano and it's so beautiful. And Madeline says she started paying attention and looking at what he was playing. And then more importantly, watching his hands on the keyboard. He wasn't actually playing the music.

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  He had pre-programmed tunes and would hit play and then just dramatically mash his way around the keys with a beautiful sense of drama.

• 22:23Speaker 06

  I've seen those. I admire that kind of a scam. I've seen those grand pianos in hotel lobbies that are playing and they never have a person behind them because they're, they play by themselves. Wow, that's, that's, I mean, how do you sleep at night?

• 22:38Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I love it because I love a street performance. I had a girl that I knew, uh, doing comedy. She told me that she made her money in New York City, like playing her guitar in the subway. And she said the way to do it, like she would pay rent off of this. The way to do it is like, because I was always thinking like the girls don't ever have nothing in the, in the little guitar case. Like it'll be like maybe a one is the, you know, maybe it's a five. And she was like, oh, that's on purpose. So you never want to have too much money in the bowl because people will be like, oh, she got it today. Like I don't have to give her no money. She rich. And then if you don't have enough, they're like, oh, she ass, ain't nobody tipping. Like I'm not giving her my money. But if you have like one five dollar bill that says you, somebody thought you was popping and then like two, a couple of ones. She said like, that's the, the key. That's what you really want to keep in there.

• 23:23Laci Mosley?

  So when you start getting more, yeah, you take it out. When you get more, you take it out and you leave that. So it's like, she ain't got enough. She only got eight dollars, so I should tip, but you know what I mean? So I get it. There's a lot of street performers and I've seen, I've seen street performers in New York performing on the train platform and then I saw them like later on The Voice and shit like so.

• 23:43Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. The street performers here are like top, top notch. Yeah, there's a waiting list to get in the subway and then, you know, they started making professional banners for them, which to me kind of took the fun out of it. Like if you have a professional banner given by the, the New York City, you know, Arts Commission or something, that kind of takes the fun out of me wanting to support you because now I know New York City is behind it. Like I, I want to believe that you are a struggling artist, even if you're not, even if I go to your Instagram and you have a million followers, which is very common here in New York City.

• 24:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't want to get on the train and it's time for Showtime and there's like a warm up comic. Oh, I'll be like, eh, eh, y'all, y'all saw the metro went up 25 cents. Uh, in a few minutes, I'll be bringing out Showtime. They're, they're all named Showtime, no matter who they are. Uh, and they'll be pole dancing on the train. But, but yeah, I don't want, I don't want it to be commercialized. New York State, that's whack. I don't want to see an official banner. I want to feel like the cops could come at any time and they gotta just pick up their shit and run like.

• 24:47Speaker 06

  Exactly. Spontaneous.

• 24:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I can't, honestly, I don't want to see more than one amp. Is, I'm like, if it's giving studio quality, I'm like, what's going on?

• 24:55Speaker 06

  Yep. It's too professional.

• 24:57Laci Mosley?

  It's too professional. So yeah, I'm, I'm with you on that, Karina. That's, that's a little too much for me. So he's obviously like playing around or whatever. So Madeline says, I went up to him when he was on break and I told him in Italian, because my study abroad scam, you know, that's what she was studying was italiano. She said, the songs were beautiful, but his theatrics were even more impressive. That's what she told him. He sort of looked at me for a minute and then busted out laughing and confirmed that yes, he was just faking his way through. The hotel paid him to fake play for tourists and it was a great gig. More power to him.

• 25:29Speaker 06

  Wow. And they probably paid him way less because he wasn't an actual magician.

• 25:34Laci Mosley?

  Magician.

• 25:36Speaker 06

  He was a magician. Yeah.

• 25:38Laci Mosley?

  He was a magician. He wasn't a musician.

• 25:41Speaker 06

  Right. They get paid less.

• 25:42Laci Mosley?

  So this is actually not an uncommon scam. If you see street musicians, take a look at what they're actually doing. We have a guy here in town who sets up with a violin in a store parking lot and pretends to play some truly schlocky violin tunes. But if you look carefully, he's not playing the violin. It's just music coming out of his speakers. He gets a good amount of money, though, and more than what he would get just panhandling. It's a good grift. Okay, I like it.

• 26:04Speaker 06

  I'm gonna start looking at musicians on the street way down. I never looked at the fingers. Like, I never, because I was like, of course they're playing. Why would they not? It's New York. Everyone has got a passion.

• 26:14Laci Mosley?

  I don't want to knock their hustle. I'm kind of sad that I said that.

• 26:17Speaker 06

  I honestly think they deserve the money. They deserve the money because they are, to me, like, lying is so stressful and there's so many things that you have to remember and follow. And so to fake, to go through faking it for that long is a performance and a skill in and of itself. So I think they deserve the money just as much as a musician.

• 26:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's like if you go to a concert and people are lip syncing, which the girls lip sync at the concerts all the time, or there's usually always a backing track. It's like you're still watching them bop around and walk around and, you know, they're giving you something. You're getting some entertainment. So I like this. Also, like, if you have a guitar you never learned, or if you have something, a keyboard, y'all get out there with your speaker and start playing. Just play the music through the speakers and just mash away like Beethoven and see how much money you get. Like, it sounds like a way that we could all get involved.

• 27:07Speaker 06

  Yeah. Right, listen, there's a whole, there's a whole TV show dedicated to lip syncing. Like, I feel like faking a guitar is gonna be on, you know, a network next week. So just get a head start.

• 27:17Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Like, I, I, I see nothing wrong with this, especially I think the violin is probably the best one to do because the piano and the guitar, like, even the untrained eye, like, I know where all the chords are. Like, I had to learn that, you know, and from choir and shit. So I can probably tell if you're not actually playing the song. But if you're on the violin, I ain't got no clue. You just move them fingers around and just, mm, mm, mm, you know, give me a little neck action. Make sure that neck is really rubbering, you know? Mm, mm, mm, you know, you just gotta do a little neck twerk. That's all it is, a little neck twerk and a little- Bow movement. Yeah, just a, yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 06

  As someone who plays the violin, you can definitely fake playing the violin because like I would even fake it sometimes when in orchestra, the music would get too difficult for the performance. I would fake it because it's more important to look good in the performance than to sound good. Cause I knew there was other people in the orchestra who knew how to play better. So I was like, I'm just gonna look good. And everyone did. They commented after the show, they were like, Corinne looks really good up there. I'm like, yeah, I was faking it. That's why.

• 28:15Laci Mosley?

  Corinne, I hope you were first chair. I hope you were first chair and you were like, they were just like, she killing it.

• 28:20Speaker 06

  I was second chair.

• 28:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so that's still good.

• 28:23Speaker 06

  Second chair is the best one. Less pressure.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  Way less pressure. First chair gotta play. Second chair is just back here doing vibes, doing, doing the neck, giving a serious face, giving us face, giving us face and neck and a little bit of arm. Yes. Okay. All right. Y'all get out there and get y'all violins or get a viola. Get some shit that people, nobody's gonna know. Get a harp. You know what I mean? Just start rubbing. Nobody knows what the fuck going on with the harp bitch. If you get out here and you sexy and you, you looking cute and you just rubbing your hands on the harp, I will believe it. There is a black sexy harpist who really plays the harp, but she's so fine and she has so many Instagram followers because she's fine as hell. She's playing this harp. But I, I couldn't, she could literally be playing nothing. I'd

• 29:07Laci Mosley?

  just be like, look at her all fine, just rubbing on this huge harp. Like yes, you better rub it.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  That's so funny. I feel like we could all get involved in this, guys. You know, you can need some extra coins, y'all. Get out there. Go rent an instrument and, and, and a speaker and get it popping.

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• 33:12Laci Mosley?

  I'm Azza Regal, Corinne and Christina with a famous con caper group of criminals. Actually, today I'm doing this, and honestly, I don't like peer pressure. I don't like to be bullied by the congregation. But I am doing a recap episode because you guys, for those of you who are not OGs of the congregation, you do not know that we've already covered all of these scams. But there have been some developments, and so we're going to go back. We're going to talk about the developments, the where are they nows, the where are the girls. We're going to be talking about Anna Delvey. We're going to be talking about my queen, Lizzie Holmes, and Simone Levinson, Simon Levinson, Shimon, the tender swan, which you guys can't get enough of, which guys,

• 33:55Laci Mosley?

  again, Miles Gray, I re-released the episode from the paywall. I think it was our third episode, so it's out there. You can go back and get into that as well. So we're going to start with Anna. So obviously, this has been the zeitgeist. Shonda Rhimes created a television show about Anna Sorokin, who was Anna Delvey. If you don't know about Anna. Uh, she was a woman who moved to New York. Y'all are New York based, so you know, I know you guys know the scene. And she came out there and she pretended to be a socialite. She did a lot of wire fraud and she, you know, cajoled the rich girlies into giving her coins for her social elite club that she was supposedly going to be making.

• 34:39Speaker 06

  Okay. Yeah, I didn't know her story.

• 34:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you didn't know about Anna?

• 34:41Speaker 06

  No, no, but I've seen it. I've seen that the thumbnail for that TV show everywhere. I'm like, oh, who is this woman?

• 34:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so.

• 34:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, inventing Anna. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know the whole story either. But it makes sense because I was like, socialites is a, is a long way from the life that I lead, so.

• 34:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, y'all weren't seeing her at the cigar club?

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Nope. We don't even know what a cigar club is.

• 35:02Laci Mosley?

  Y'all had a place here in this with Anna?

• 35:05Speaker 06

  I'll see her at Chipotle if she goes there.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  I'll see her at Chipotle if she goes there. Yes. So a little background, uh, we have a picture. We'll get the picture up for y'all since, uh, this, that's lovely. I love that you guys don't know much about Anna. She's all in the zeitgeist. So now she's thirty-one and more widely known as Anna Delvey. Uh, so she was a Russian-born German con artist. So she's the one on the right. She's the one with the brown hair.

• 35:29Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, she got scammy eyes.

• 35:31Laci Mosley?

  She really does. It looks like nothing's behind them.

• 35:34Speaker 06

  Right, like Elizabeth Holmes, like dead in the eyes. Yeesh.

• 35:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes. No soul back there. You know, like the brain is working, but the soul is like, we, we ain't here, girl.

• 35:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, we left a while ago.

• 35:45Laci Mosley?

  And that was actually one of my favorite things about Anna is during her sentencing, um, she spoke after she was sentenced, obviously not before, and, um, she said, you know, I'm not, she said, I regret nothing. I'm not a good person. And I was like, wow, I love that.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's really owning herself. Wow.

• 36:03Laci Mosley?

  Like too many bad people are pretending to be good people. If you bad, just say that.

• 36:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:07Laci Mosley?

  You know, you'll still have friends. People like, some people love bad people.

• 36:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you might have more friends and you'll definitely have more girlfriends if you're a guy, so.

• 36:16Laci Mosley?

  Right. And let's not act like, especially in comedy, we know so many bad nasty men who are out here getting a coin and a check and still on stage, talking about cancellation, but they're still making money. People love bad people. Just come out and say you bad.

• 36:30Speaker 06

  You are correct.

• 36:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, and then at least we can avoid you if we want to, if we wanna hang out with your ass, we can. Right, I think that's just fair. So from 2013 to 2017, she lived among New York's wealthy elite pretending to be a German heiress. She was defrauding hotels, banks, and acquaintances. She was eventually caught and arrested in 2017 after a trip to Morocco gone wrong and several evictions. So, in short, she would go to these hotels and she, you know, she had the drip. She had the costume of a rich person, so she's wearing the latest label. She's giving you the Gucci Fendis, the Pradas, a lot of, you know? And she would give out hundred dollar bills as tips to the waitstaff, like it was nothing. But the hotel would be like, okay, Anna, like, but what about the room, though? And she would be like, oh, wire transfer.

• 37:17Laci Mosley?

  Esen de wire, like, wire transfer will come to you. So do not talk to me about money, that's weird. You need money, are you poor? Like, she would gaslight them and be like...

• 37:27Speaker 06

  It's good to know that women can gaslight too. Yeah, you always hear about men gaslighting, I'm like, yeah, good for you, girl.

• 37:33Laci Mosley?

  Feminism, more women in gaslighting. But also, that's just a tool...

• 37:39Speaker 06

  Is her accent actually that thick in real life?

• 37:41Laci Mosley?

  It's, it's a little weird. Um, I think that the actress who played her, which I don't know this girl's name, and it is fleeting to me right now, because she also is in Ozark. What is that girl's name? Anyway, she played her, people were like, this accent is weird, we don't know if it's it. And it actually, like, she said she studied the girl, and if you hear Anna Delvey talk, it is a weird European, we don't know where she's from in Europe.

• 38:01Speaker 06

  It's a mixture.

• 38:02Laci Mosley?

  Accent.

• 38:03Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  Julia Garner, yeah.

• 38:04Speaker 06

  German, German and Russian, that's two separate, that's very different. So, yeah, I imagine if she's...

• 38:10Laci Mosley?

  She said, I'm from all countries in Europe.

• 38:15Laci Mosley?

  Raven Simone is from all countries in Africa, Anna Delvey is from all countries in Europe.

• 38:23Laci Mosley?

  And I love, I love the gaslighting of like, you need to talk about money? Like, why do you need money so bad? And it's such an American thing, like, especially, I know you guys know, as people who probably freelance at some point, if you work in comedy, or, you know, gotten paid for a gig, or whatever, or even acting. The, one of the things, especially when I was coming up, is like, I would do something, then it'd be like, the net is like thirty, or the net is forty-five, or like, and that means like, like, when they do their payroll, like, when you'll get paid for the actual job. Sometimes you'd be waiting months after you did a job to get paid, and if you would hit them up, they'd be like, I mean, do you need money? Like, why are you hitting, like, are you broke?

• 38:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, making you feel guilty.

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 38:57Speaker 06

  And you're like, yeah, I do need money.

• 38:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. Do you have money or you?

• 39:01Speaker 06

  Cause I did the job. Yeah, yeah. Right. And you gaslight the gaslighter. Boom.

• 39:06Laci Mosley?

  Right. And that's just the truth, but that's such a tool that people use in our country. So I love that she was using it back on the hotels. Like, why are you talking to them about money? Like, this is a hotel. You don't have money? I said it's in the wire. So she would tell the girls, the wires would come and the wires. She ain't ever been near a wire.

• 39:25Speaker 06

  Oh, man.

• 39:26Laci Mosley?

  So eventually she was, um, caught and arrested in 2017. Uh, she was indicted on multiple counts of grand larceny and was found guilty of eight charges in 2019. Uh, the once wealthy socialite of downtown New York was incarcerated at Rikers.

• 39:44Speaker 06

  Ooh, they put that bitch at Rikers?

• 39:47Laci Mosley?

  Rikers. That's just prison, prison.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my, my friend used to work as a security guard at Rikers. He was like, one year, that was all I could do. I'm like, ugh.

• 40:02Laci Mosley?

  Security? You responsible for keeping people in Rikers? Oh, no.

• 40:07Speaker 06

  Yep. So they need more than just the water.

• 40:10Laci Mosley?

  If I was security at Rikers, I would definitely get fired because the girls would be climbing over the fence. I'd be like, what you want me to do? That's a violent offender.

• 40:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, my hands are tied.

• 40:19Laci Mosley?

  Right. Do you know what they make, uh, weapons out of in here? Everything. I saw somebody stab somebody with bread. I said, how you get bread hard enough to stab? No.

• 40:31Laci Mosley?

  No, could have been me.

• 40:33Speaker 06

  Wait, so did she get out? Is she, where the hell is she now?

• 40:37Laci Mosley?

  So she was found guilty of the eight charges in 2019. She, I, I believe she is still in the prison. So the once wealthy socialite of downtown New York was incarcerated, um, and then she was given a sentence of four to 12 years in state prison and fined $24,000 in order to pay restitution for $199,000. She served two of those years and was given an early release. However, she was arrested six weeks later by ICE for unintentionally overstaying her visa. Now.

• 41:06Speaker 06

  What? She got out of two?

• 41:09Laci Mosley?

  Years they let her out? I mean, she's

• 41:11Speaker 06

  That's not that much money, though. Like, to ruin your whole life, I'm kind of not impressed by $199,000.

• 41:17Laci Mosley?

  No, she's

• 41:18Speaker 06

  I thought it was a scam.

• 41:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it was more than that. She stole more than that. That's what she had to pay in restitution. Now, for me, she's doing hand-to-hand interpersonal scams. She's telling these people, I'm gonna start this social club, give me the coins for the social club. She had applied for loans at banks and faked collateral, saying that she had money coming from her father and faked all these bank statements and shit. So that's really where she got into the trouble. But for me, it's like, if, if somebody asked me for money, much like the guy on the street who said that his wife needed surgery, like, and I give the money and she don't need the surgery, I don't know if we need to send people to jail for that, but she was fucking with banks. So when the FDIC gets involved?

• 41:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's when the government's like, don't, please don't screw over these poor banks. They can't handle.

• 42:02Laci Mosley?

  Of the victims.

• 42:03Speaker 06

  The loss. Yeah, yeah.

• 42:05Laci Mosley?

  It's just Mr. Bank of America crying on the, uh, witness stand.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I wonder if she, like, changes her look? I guess, like, after you are known for a scammer, you just, like, cut your hair, dye your hair, or get color contacts or something?

• 42:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't think she's trying to change her look. Anna's into the fame. She's into the clout. She wants the girls to know that, that it was, tell them it was me. She's in jail, like, tell them it was me.

• 42:31Laci Mosley?

  And what's also interesting to me about this is, like, how is ICE gonna pull it? First of all, ICE's ass, fuck ICE. But this woman was in prison. How you gonna be like, well, you didn't file your paperwork to keep your visa current? She was in the jail.

• 42:43Speaker 06

  Right, right. She had no, there was no paper. They wouldn't give her a pen. That's Rikers.

• 42:47Laci Mosley?

  She was studying abroad at Rikers.

• 42:50Speaker 06

  Right. That island has no writing utensils. Cause they're all so shanks.

• 42:54Laci Mosley?

  So as of February 2022, Anna is still in custody at this time in an Immigration and Customs Enforcement jail cell in upstate New York, waiting to see if she'll get deported back to Germany. In exchange for the rights to her story, Netflix paid Anna $320,000 to produce the limited series Inventing Anna. Now, Anna, I think you got scammed, cause 320K?

• 43:15Speaker 06

  That's not a lot.

• 43:16Laci Mosley?

  That's not enough. There's Netflix gonna get the bag and they running their prices up. I think you guys.

• 43:21Speaker 06

  Right, right. Yeah, their monthly, their monthly price just went up, actually. Well, she probably didn't have representation to like, she probably didn't have an agent to be like, we need to ask for more. She's probably like, oh, yes.

• 43:32Laci Mosley?

  You should use your one phone call a day to like hit up an entertainment lawyer.

• 43:35Speaker 06

  Also funny that she's like in jail and then Netflix is, you know, just getting celebrated for making this documentary. Or I mean, this not the, the, this series, the scripted series, when they're giving money to this person who was arrested for scamming other people. No one, no one ever, people always are very selective about who they place blame on. So that's very funny to me.

• 43:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. So she used the funds to pay back her victims in full, but apparently there was not enough for ICE. So in a letter published shortly before the release of the show, Anna details her recent experience saying, I am here because it, I am here because immigration and custom enforcement decided that my early marriage release from prison means nothing to them, despite being perfectly self-sufficient when I left on my own devices. They're saying I am a present and continuous danger to the community. Now, I will say, Anna, you came over here on a visa. The biggest thing I think on visas in any country is don't do no crime in the country.

• 44:34Speaker 06

  Right. Yeah, that's, that's pretty fair. That's a fair ask.

• 44:38Laci Mosley?

  Like, that's like, just like, number one, they're like, don't, don't do no murders.

• 44:42Speaker 06

  Right.

• 44:42Laci Mosley?

  And, and you know, and also don't do no other crimes.

• 44:45Speaker 06

  Right. Cause then why, we don't want, you're not, you're not a welcomed guest. Yeah.

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's, this is like, if you're a guest at somebody's house and you steal all their silverware, it's like, yeah, girl, like, they.

• 44:56Speaker 06

  They don't want you to come to their party.

• 44:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, we invited you to the party, girl, and you stole my TV. Like, what? Yeah, we're upset.

• 45:05Speaker 06

  She is so detached from reality. That's so funny. Holy shit. That's really funny. Damn.

• 45:10Laci Mosley?

  So she also goes on to describe that she hasn't seen a doctor in years despite having contracted COVID in January, as well as her frustrations with the bureaucracy affecting her detainment. The most recent twist from ICE is that, this is her again, the most recent twist from ICE is that. Been waiting since November for a decision to reissue a letter that never arrived here. So basically she ain't getting mail, she's trying to get the letters and um as inventing Anna is released. It's still unknown whether Anna will be deported back to her home country. So when it was dropped on Netflix, she's sitting in detainment um at ICE. Waiting to see if they're gonna send her back to Germany.

• 45:49Speaker 06

  Wow, so she didn't get to go to the premiere?

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  No, she did not get to walk the carpet, which is unfortunate. I feel like ICE could have gave her a furlough. To go to Hollywood and hit the carpet.

• 46:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, just real quick and then come back. Yeah, it seems like that would have been fair.

• 46:05Laci Mosley?

  Right, they got ICE detention in LA for sure. Like, should just transfer over here real quick, take somebody with her. I'm sure somebody at ICE, you know, fucked up ass ICE would love to go to a Hollywood premiere.

• 46:16Speaker 06

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 46:17Laci Mosley?

  You know, get some free cocktails, have some croutons, bitch, like, it could have been a moment. I'm a little upset that it didn't happen. Um, but yeah, Anna lives in infamy just because a lot of people are very obsessed with the fact. That she tricked so many rich people. You know, she had a trainer, a guy was pretending to be her trainer. Like, there were so many people who made her seem rich. And she got arrested after the Morocco situation because what happened was that she went to Morocco where homegirl. And then she had got this resort and said she was paying for it, you know, uh, bing bang boom, the resort is like, hey, girl. Uh, y'all haven't actually paid for the rooms and whatnot and like, we need currency. And she was like, I have currency, it's coming in the wire. Just stand next to the telephone pole, it'll be here soon.

• 47:00Laci Mosley?

  And they were like, girl, we need some collateral. And so our homegirl was like, oh, well, I'll just put down my card from her job. She was like, I'll put down my company Amex as co- as like a hold. And she was like, and she was like, you're not gonna charge her, right? And they're like, yeah, yeah, we're not gonna charge it. And of course, Anna's like, yeah, they're not charged money, come soon, you'll see. And then, of course, by the time they end the trip, the car gets charged in full, like eighty grand for this trip.

• 47:26Speaker 06

  Eighty grand?

• 47:28Laci Mosley?

  And their homegirl went back to her job and they said, hey, sis, um, we're looking at your car charges for the month. And um, how many times did you go to Panera with uh, on work business because?

• 47:40Speaker 06

  One million times.

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  Eighty grand is a lot for work lunches, just so you know. Yeah, so she got in trouble and so that's when she reported the fraud and everything because. But also like, I don't know if that's, girl, you volunteered your card. It's not like she took it out of your purse.

• 47:59Speaker 06

  Right, because the Tinder. Yeah, how do you say it's fraud when it's like, oh, I had to pay for a vacation I also went on. That's fraud. That seems like, I didn't know I could use that as an excuse on vacation.

• 48:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm gonna start calling Amex with some new shit, like.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, because they got the good coverage.

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, I bought these Gucci loafers without looking at the tag. That's fraud. Because if I had known how much they were, I would have bought them. No, they didn't put, they didn't put a price tag on it. They just rang it up. She already had my card. So anyways, Amex, yeah, that wasn't me.

• 48:31Speaker 06

  It was a sales associate.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  Right. I didn't know you could do that. I feel like if you volunteer your card, you're liable.

• 48:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:38Laci Mosley?

  Just the taste of liability. So let's move on to Lizzie Holmes. Uh, Lizzie Holmes, if you guys don't know, um, she's the queen behind.

• 48:48Speaker 06

  I love Elizabeth Holmes. Yes, I'm obsessed with her.

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Um, and for you guys, if you don't know about Lizzie Holmes out there, uh, my good sis, she was in the Silicon Valley. She was giving us a tech costume. She was giving us a, a, a accent. Lizzie would lower her voice so that she sounded more masculine. She wore the black turtleneck, Steve Jobs, you know, uh, cartoon character wardrobe.

• 49:14Speaker 06

  Dead in the eyes.

• 49:15Laci Mosley?

  Dead in the eyes. Yeah, so she had the whole uniform and her whole thing was the tiny thing. That's what I call it. So the tiny thing was this little, uh, thing that held blood that supposedly you could take a pin prick from someone's finger, put the blood in the tiniest thing and then run it through the tiny thing 3000, which she called the Thomas Edison. And then it would tell you everything about your blood, your DNA, like what diseases you got, what you, you know, all of this from this one blood prick of the tiny thing. And here we have over here in the corner, we have photos of her holding up the tiny thing. Now, what I love about this is because it was borderline comedy. She was like, I'm gonna go to Silicon Valley, I'm gonna drop out of school, I'm gonna do everything that the tech dudes do.

• 50:00Laci Mosley?

  And then what is, what's technology? Hmm, making things smaller, that's technology.

• 50:05Speaker 06

  It is, she's right, she's, yeah, that's why it works probably. That I, yeah, I, cause if somebody makes something so tiny- Obviously if she was onto something, this is incredible. Yeah, damn.

• 50:17Laci Mosley?

  And the great thing about-

• 50:17Speaker 06

  The dead in the eyes, the dead in the eyes was so, like, that would have made me, that's the only thing that would have given her away, but she's so dead in the eyes, and her voice is so fucking weird that I'm like, who, what are you doing? Like, she just feels like she's in a play all the time.

• 50:31Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that made her relatable to men, cause you know, there's so much intrinsic hate that men are taught through misogyny, to just general, in general hate women, and anything associated with femininity. Um, and so here you have this woman who's like an amorphous, you know, person, you know, like, what's going on? She's dead behind the eyes, there's no, none of that, uh, typical female warmth. Yeah, she's got the deep voice, she keeps, you know, like, and she, she's, I love it, I, I love everything about it. And, um, one of the great parts of this is too, is like, she had a lot of venture capitalists, people who, which basically means people with a lot of fucking money, who are just trying to make more money, and what venture capitalists do is they take their cash, they spread it out through different investments, they know most of them will fail,

• 51:15Laci Mosley?

  but it's just like gambling in the casino, if one hits, it makes up for all the money you sunk into some bullshit.

• 51:20Speaker 06

  Right.

• 51:21Laci Mosley?

  So, they're giving her coins, and then they're like, okay, Miss Lizzie, where's the tiny thing? Like, how does it work? We want a tour of the tiny thing studios, um, where, you know, your office space. And so they went on a tour, and she made it so secretive. If you went, you had to have a bodyguard with you, you couldn't use the bathroom without the bodyguard. Like, they were watching, because basically her whole thing was, is like, I can't tell y'all how it works, because then somebody's gonna steal the tiny thing idea.

• 51:48Speaker 07

  Fuck patents. I'm just gonna do security guards.

• 51:50Speaker 06

  It's very, very smart.

• 51:51Laci Mosley?

  It's genius because how do you argue against that? She was like, I would tell you how this is legitimate, but then you gonna steal it and my tiny idea will be gone.

• 52:01Speaker 07

  Right, right. That's brilliant. Damn.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  And people believed it. She had a partnership with Walgreens, but they were like, we would like the tiny thing. Can you imagine getting your blood pricked at Walgreens for a scam?

• 52:12Speaker 07

  For nothing. For nothing. Damn.

• 52:15Laci Mosley?

  And it ended up being that Walgreens was having, they were doing regular testing of the blood, but pretending that they were using the Thomas Edison Tiny Thing 3000 because it wasn't working. Uh, but yeah, she had, she had it all going. So the success was found on the girl boss genius, Lizzie Holmes. And it was heralded as a revolutionary idea thought up by a woman girl boss, considered to be young Steve Jobs. And, oh, is this a court look Marina that we have up right now? Yeah, Lizzie is giving, Lizzie decided to turn it for court. And, oh, okay.

• 52:48Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 52:49Laci Mosley?

  She was more bro-y when she was doing the tech stuff, but when it was time to go to jail, she was like, wait a minute.

• 52:54Speaker 07

  She's a chameleon.

• 52:55Laci Mosley?

  She said, let me go to Drybar real quick.

• 52:59Speaker 07

  That's the way you go to court. Yeah.

• 53:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, she got the Malibu Drybar.

• 53:02Speaker 07

  I'm just a lady. I didn't know what I was doing. But when you want to sell people stuff and get a lot of money, you have to go, I know what I'm doing. I have the tiny thing with me.

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm a tiny thing masculine woman. But then at court, she was like, I'm just a lady with a vagina brain. How would I know how to rob millions from investors? Yeah, I just have a blowout, y'all. What y'all talking about? So she was the world's youngest female self-made billionaire. And Theranos was one of Silicon Valley's like unicorn startups valued at $9 billion. So at the height of this, at the height of the tiny thing, they were like, my billion.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  And like that tells you about valuation because it's like, just like the stock market, like it's all vibes. Like when Mr. Big, who was outed as a nasty man, uh, cause Peloton can't get a break. Shout out to anybody who work at advertisement at Peloton, cause I know y'all stressed, smoking like three packs a day, just drinking whole vats of coffee, because every time y'all get on the fucking internet, they like.

• 54:02Speaker 06

  Someone keeps dying on your bike, said it's like their fault, not yours. Aw, man.

• 54:06Laci Mosley?

  Every time y'all get on the damn internet, somebody done did something to Peloton. And but, you know, and just like that, the Sex and the City reboot, when Mr. Big died on the Peloton, the stock dropped thirteen percent the next day.

• 54:19Speaker 06

  Wow. So people do watch Sex and the City and invest. Okay.

• 54:22Laci Mosley?

  I guess. They were like, oh no, we gotta give, sell that Peloton stock, okay? And then after that, they did a commercial with Mr. Big, and then people were like, Mr. Big's a nasty man, and he's doing the sauce at Peloton. I was like, ah, hell. Alright, uh, we back in the drawing room. Like, I'd hate to be in Peloton's boardroom, like, bitch. Y'all just sitting there hitting delete all day, like, alright, well, get rid of that, get rid of that, get rid of that.

• 54:48Speaker 06

  God, that's so funny.

• 54:50Laci Mosley?

  They not paying y'all enough. Whatever it is, it's not enough at Peloton. But so, you know, the, it's all valuation, all this shit is vibes, cause how are you valued at nine million dollars? And essentially, all you have is like an empty pill cap. Nine billion dollars.

• 55:03Speaker 06

  That's skillful stir up of, of interest. Man, that is so much energy you have to put up to that ruse. That's a dedication.

• 55:10Laci Mosley?

  So it all got cra- you know, it came crashing down in twenty fifteen. The company came under investigation for its medical claims. The company was exposed to being incapable of creating the technology it said it was selling. Lizzie was exposed as a grand architect of fraud. I love architect of fraud. That's classy.

• 55:26Speaker 06

  That's a nice way to say it. Yeah, yeah.

• 55:29Laci Mosley?

  I would like to think that I have been robbed by several architects of fraud.

• 55:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, it makes it feel like you were less naive.

• 55:36Laci Mosley?

  Right. They got a degree.

• 55:37Speaker 06

  Right. They had drawings. They have a PhD in fraud, yeah.

• 55:41Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, a PhD in chicanery. I love it. That makes me feel better about anytime I've been scammed. An architect of fraud. She was ousted as CEO of the company and the company was forced to completely shut down operations in 2018. That same year, a federal grand jury indicted Ms. Holmes and former Theranos Chief Operating Officer and President Ramish, known as Sonny Balwani, on nine counts of wire fraud and two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. They both pleaded not guilty. So she's indicted along with Sonny Balwani, who at the time was her booth. And one of the most embarrassing things during this case was when they were reading the text messages between him and her.

• 56:25Laci Mosley?

  And there was a text that literally if I saw them start to read this shit, I would have got up and been like, I'm guilty. I'm guilty. No, stenographer, stop typing. Like, it's over. Shut it down. Put the computer down. Put the typewriter up. Like, I would have just pushed the typewriter off the table. Like, no. Because she had sent him this text like, "You are my moon and my stars and you are the light and like that guides me." Like, it was real dramatical and it was really long. And Sonny responded with, "Okay."

• 56:53Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 56:56Laci Mosley?

  I don't like that.

• 56:58Speaker 06

  And then she had a baby with somebody else.

• 57:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but I mean, you have to. You have to have a baby with somebody else.

• 57:06Speaker 06

  Wow, I respect her like, you know, willingness to move on.

• 57:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, it's like you gotta leave after that. It's time to leave. But, you know, so they were in it together and they must have both known that this was a scam, right? So they both pleaded not guilty. So where is she now? Lizzie, we just saw her with her fresh blowout, which we will put on the Scam Goddess Instagram. She's wearing new threads. She's giving us, "Shania Twain, I Feel Like a Woman." And so while awaiting trial, Elizabeth married and had her first trial with hotelier Billy Evans. So he's an heir to hotels and um and she can keep a rich man.

• 57:44Speaker 07

  Wow, I guess so.

• 57:46Laci Mosley?

  Look at this man. She said, look, I gotta pay these bills. So where is Lizzie hanging out? Lizzie, write the book. What's the Sierra prayer? Cause I wanna.

• 57:54Speaker 07

  What?

• 57:54Laci Mosley?

  I wanna.

• 57:55Speaker 07

  How does she? How does she get a quality dude like, wait, what?

• 57:59Speaker 06

  If you're that guy's never gotten, this guy's the kind of average looking. I think this is the one on the right is just a good photo of him. And also, if you're good at lying in business, you're good at lying across the board most times. So.

• 58:08Speaker 07

  But he doesn't Google bitches before he dates. He, they married that, was it whole married that guy?

• 58:15Laci Mosley?

  Maybe he thinks she famous. You know what's crazy though? This is why I hate dating apps. Because Corinne, you made a good point. In one photo, which let's make sure we have this photo for the Instagram. He looks like very corny, regular, is giving, you know, khakis. Right. It's giving, I wear Dockers, you know? And then in the other one, he's giving like zaddy with his beard, like, is it the beard? I don't, you know?

• 58:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, it looks like he's got a bark collar. Because that hat is like almost a uniform and any, any man goes up 10% hotness when they're in any kind of a uniform. It could be firefighter, it could be UPS man, like any uniform makes a guy look better.

• 58:52Laci Mosley?

  UPS uniforms got hot. It is, the little shorts, what can brown? With those calves, with the calves.

• 58:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I saw a hot UPS man just today. I was like, hell, yeah, I would do it.

• 59:00Laci Mosley?

  They're all hot too. And their calves are always so good because you never see them that, because they always run away real fast when they ring the doorbell. And by the time you open the door, sometimes I run real quick, they already gone. Trail of smoke.

• 59:13Laci Mosley?

  So those calves are giving. Yeah, you're right about that. Yeah. Cause he goes from looking like all American Dan, you know, Dan who played baseball in high school. He wasn't like good, but he played. And then in, in over to like this zaddy who looks like almost like he's like a European, giving us some Europe, all countries in Europe. You know, yeah, that's very deceiving. And then Elizabeth is looking a little homely back there.

• 59:37Speaker 06

  As always, yeah.

• 59:39Laci Mosley?

  But yeah, so she married this man. I just wanna know where she hangs out. Where did you meet these hotel heirs, honey?

• 59:43Speaker 06

  So is she out of jail?

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  In 2022, in January, Elizabeth was found guilty on four charges of defrauding investors. She was found not guilty on a three additional charges concerning defrauding patients and one charge of conspiracy to defraud patients. So what's funny about this is that all the rich people got some justice and then all the patients who didn't really have the coins, who were also defrauded, got nothing.

• 1:00:08Speaker 06

  Oh, America, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  The poor venture capitalists. What else would they do with their billions?

• 1:00:15Speaker 06

  So glad they got reimbursed.

• 1:00:17Laci Mosley?

  Just wiping their tears with hundred dollar bills, like, I can't believe it.

• 1:00:20Speaker 06

  Damn.

• 1:00:22Laci Mosley?

  So during the trial, several friends and supporters arrived wearing black turtlenecks and their hair tied back.

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  Supporters?

• 1:00:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes, she had a girl gang. The tiny girls showed up and they wore their black turtlenecks and they pulled their hair back and they showed up for their queen.

• 1:00:39Speaker 06

  Listen, there's always someone to support everyone, so.

• 1:00:41Laci Mosley?

  Truly.

• 1:00:42Speaker 06

  This would be no different.

• 1:00:43Laci Mosley?

  There really is.

• 1:00:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Laci Mosley?

  The Lizettes showed up and they said, no, not today, okay?

• 1:00:51Speaker 06

  Holy shit.

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  Women deserve to be able to defraud the tech industry like everybody else feminism.

• 1:01:00Speaker 06

  That is a good point.

• 1:01:01Laci Mosley?

  One performance artist even set up a shop outside the courthouse selling blonde wigs and black turtlenecks and blood, blood energy drinks.

• 1:01:12Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. I would have bought every single one and then I would have been scammed.

• 1:01:16Laci Mosley?

  What the fuck? That's great. Holy shit. What a combo. He said, hey, girl, I have synthetic wigs. I got black turtlenecks and we go all the way up to 2X.

• 1:01:26Speaker 06

  Forty dollars. Forty dollars.

• 1:01:28Laci Mosley?

  And blood energy drinks, cuz that's what you need. You need an outfit.

• 1:01:33Speaker 06

  For fun.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  Right, and you need some energy so you can be out here all day standing for Lizzie, okay? So Elizabeth faces up to 20 years in prison as well as a fine of $250,000 plus restitution for each count, COVID complications, and her pregnancy, because remember.

• 1:01:52Speaker 06

  She, right, she did that on purpose.

• 1:01:55Laci Mosley?

  Lizzie was like, I'm gonna get married, cook up a baby real quick, let me gestate on the justice system. Yes.

• 1:02:03Speaker 06

  That's a lot of energy. Good for her.

• 1:02:05Speaker 07

  Damn.

• 1:02:06Laci Mosley?

  And I love that cuz yeah, like she's a pregnant woman. Y'all are really gonna put the pregnant woman in jail for what? A little? Some paper lies? Some lies on paper?

• 1:02:16Speaker 07

  And widow widow itty bottles? Yeah.

• 1:02:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just some tiny little, very, very tiny fraud. Come on, guys. So because of her pregnancy, the COVID complications, this all delayed the proceedings, but she's slated to be sentenced in September twenty twenty two and remains free on half a million dollars bond, which I'm sure her hotel daddy got the coins.

• 1:02:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's no problem.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  She said bond. Okay, berry. We got it.

• 1:02:43Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:02:43Laci Mosley?

  No, that's nothing. Say less. And she cooking up a baby? Oh, she did it right. I love this. And she came to court with a blowout. No longer was she wearing her hair slicked back. And in the black turtleneck, she came with a blowout and she went to Ann Taylor Loft.

• 1:02:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, she did.

• 1:02:58Laci Mosley?

  And got sued. Love this for her. Hulu's limited series called The Dropout, based on Elizabeth Holmes's life. Amanda Seyfried will be playing Elizabeth Holmes.

• 1:03:11Speaker 06

  I wonder if she's getting paid for that.

• 1:03:12Laci Mosley?

  I wonder too. Like, did she sell the life rights?

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz well, the thing is, is that you don't have to pay people to. I guess you can kind of just speculate on people's lives.

• 1:03:24Speaker 06

  Oh, okay. I don't know what those are.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't either. For the life rights versus like if you do, cuz I know like Pamela and Tommy Lee are not involved in the Pam and Tommy Show on Hulu.

• 1:03:34Speaker 06

  Right. Yeah, it's just like authorized versus unauthorized, I believe. That's how it works for books at least. Like, I only know about this cuz like the Spice Girls and stuff, they made a lot of VHSs and books about them. And it was if it was authorized, they got paid. And when it's, it was very clearly say unauthorized when they weren't getting paid, but it wasn't illegal to do it. They're public figures.

• 1:03:56Laci Mosley?

  But it probably makes it more interesting, or at least more legitimate to the outside public. If the person it's based on is like, yeah, I said, go up.

• 1:04:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:07Laci Mosley?

  This is me, Lizzie. So that's where Elizabeth is at. You know, she's out here with her baby and her new rich man, living the good life. Shout out to Lizzie. And last but not least, uh, we're gonna visit Simone, Shimon. Simon, Shimon. He's saying, he's saying, he changed his name from Shimon to Simon. Um, Leviv. Uh, and you guys know him as the Tinder Swindler. Y'all hit me up about this all the time. I told you again, the episodes are, I pulled it from behind the paywall with Miles Gray. Very fun. We talk about some things that are not in the documentary, so it's fun. Um, the Tinder Swindler had made headlines after a 2022 Netflix documentary of the same name was released. There was also a big article released under the same name, The Tinder Swindler, two and a half years before that, because that's where we found out about our homie Simone, Shimon.

• 1:04:52Laci Mosley?

  Um, so he's been out here in the streets for a minute, but the girls really found out from the, da-dung. So Shimon Hayud was known for engaging in deceptive courtship practices via the popular dating app Tinder. In 2017, Shimon changed his name to Simon Leviv and began calling himself the son of the Israeli Russian diamond tycoon Lev Leviv. I love naming your kid Lev Leviv. Like, you're like, let's just keep it going.

• 1:05:17Speaker 06

  Jewish Mc-Jewish. Here we go. Yeah. Great.

• 1:05:20Laci Mosley?

  Beautiful name. So on Tinder, he presented himself as a wealthy heir, living a life of luxury, seeking beautiful, wealthy women to join his lifestyle. So I just don't know if billionaires are on Tinder.

• 1:05:34Speaker 06

  I don't, I actually, are they? No, but maybe millionaires. I don't know. In New York City on Hinge. I mean, I'm sure maybe like someone who wanted to pretend, like, like, oh, let me see what it's like to be a peasant for a day. On Raya, like, the best you're gonna get is a DJ. So it's like, yeah, I can't imagine they're on Tinder.

• 1:05:52Laci Mosley?

  Christina, thank you for saying it because I have a Raya and I said, where, where are the girls that I was promised? Because all I'm seeing is Equinox trainers and, uh, consultants.

• 1:06:01Speaker 06

  Uh huh, uh huh. I'm looking for celebrities.

• 1:06:03Laci Mosley?

  Right. I ain't never seen.

• 1:06:05Speaker 06

  There are some celebrities on Raya, but like they never, you never match with them. I, I never. I know. Yeah, the only one I saw, I saw Trevor Noah and I was like, yes. Yeah, uh, but I'm like, that could have been a fake profile though, because all the photos were professional and I'm like, fucking Mariah, if you tricked me, but you know, he never, he never wrote back.

• 1:06:23Laci Mosley?

  Damn, that's a, but wait, but it was a match? Because you got, does she have to match it right?

• 1:06:27Speaker 06

  Uh, oh, no, I didn't, I didn't match with him. I did not match with him. I know, I would have like never forgotten that if I did. Holy shit.

• 1:06:33Laci Mosley?

  But yeah, so you know, I've just never seen like a billion of millionaires, maybe like celebrities for sure, but like, I know, like, really, I actually know this, that there are people in the industry, I know certain people in the industry, who their whole kind of flex and little hustle is, is like, they know all the bad bitches in whatever area. Like, there's a woman who knows all the bad bitches in Houston, there's a woman who knows all the bad bitches in New York. And like, celebrities will have contact with these people and they'll be like, oh, we having a party, like, bring the bad bitches. And then they show up with the baddies, you know what I mean? So, eh, they know how to find, they don't have to go to the bar, you know, I mean, like Drake loves to go to a Hooters on Peach Street, but, eh, you know, most of the girls, they know how to find the, the girlies without, uh, apps.

• 1:07:14Laci Mosley?

  So that was already like flag number one. Um, after several months of dating, he would then suddenly disappear. Claim he's in grave danger and hiding and then asked for thousands of dollars to save his life. On top of it, like with evidence, he would send photos of his bodyguard, Peter, bloodied in the back of an ambulance, claiming an attempt had been made on his life. So this Peter.

• 1:07:38Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  His bodyguard.

• 1:07:39Speaker 06

  I love his acting.

• 1:07:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, he's like.

• 1:07:42Speaker 06

  Oh, this hurts so bad, ooh.

• 1:07:44Laci Mosley?

  He's like mid-went.

• 1:07:45Speaker 06

  The one line of blood across his forehead.

• 1:07:49Laci Mosley?

  And a little bit on the pillow, so you know he's been bleeding for a minute.

• 1:07:52Speaker 06

  Sprinkle a little on the pillow. Right, right, right. I wonder if they, how much they pay this ambulance guy to, to take a quick pic?

• 1:07:58Laci Mosley?

  Right, or was this like a one time that he got injured and they just keep reusing this photo on every, all the girls that he's hitting on? They're like, look, we're in danger, look at my bodyguard, he's saying ow, while I took the photo. Like, why are you taking this photo? While this man is.

• 1:08:11Speaker 06

  That's rude.

• 1:08:12Laci Mosley?

  He's like, hold still, Peter, you blurry. Hold on, I'm on portrait mode.

• 1:08:17Speaker 06

  It's not enough lighting here, you gotta hold still.

• 1:08:19Laci Mosley?

  We gotta see the blood. Can you hold Joe's camera light up while I take a picture of Peter? Okay, one, oh, three, say pain. One, two, three, pain.

• 1:08:30Laci Mosley?

  So then he says this to the girls. This scheme eventually became the sort of Ponzi scheme, leading Simon to become wanted by Interpol in seven different countries. Because he would hit them up and be like, I need y'all to give me the money so I can pay these girls off. The girls naturally would send their cards and would be, he would begin like racking up massive bills while pressuring them to send more money. So he was like, please, like hit the Amex, take out a payday loan, like they're after me. And it's like, I thought you had money. I thought you were like a part of the diamond, like the diamond king, like, you know, family, like, why do you need my coins? Can't you just get daddy to give you a rock and you could go pawn it? Like, what's going on?

• 1:09:07Speaker 06

  Yeah. His enemies.

• 1:09:09Laci Mosley?

  His enemies shut his cards off. What? Who are the enemies?

• 1:09:13Speaker 06

  The amount of times that he is, he has stated his, that he's talked about his enemies. It's like, alright, that would, I would eventually not have fallen for that event after like the 20th time he said my enemies. I'm like, alright, this is something special.

• 1:09:24Laci Mosley?

  And what's the vague idea of enemies? Just, just general enemies? Like, who are these people? It's like, be like, my haters, my haters cut off my cards. Who are these people? Why are they mad at you?

• 1:09:34Speaker 06

  Right, right.

• 1:09:35Laci Mosley?

  Give me a name. Terrence, my enemy. Like, who are the enemies?

• 1:09:42Laci Mosley?

  Like, it's just a little too vague. The three women featured in the documentary, Cecile, uh, Fico, Penella, uh, I'm just gonna say their first names, Penilla and Aline, collectively gave Simon over $500,000, money that was never seen again. Five, half a million dollars to a man.

• 1:09:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:59Laci Mosley?

  To a man.

• 1:10:01Speaker 06

  I, but I appreciate like what, you know, his long game, it wasn't that long, but like, if I'm gonna be in a private, first of all, I mean, I would, luckily, when I was watching this, I'm like, alright, I would have known billionaires have matchmakers. So already, you're bullshit. So that's that, luckily, I wouldn't have fallen for that in my 30s, in my 20s, I would have. But if I'm already on the private jet, I mean, that's a big, and then he like, he wined and dined him for like a month.

• 1:10:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's how he would get them. Because the Ponzi scheme of it all was, he was taking the money that he had just gotten from the last chick that he ghosted, and he would use that money to flex on the next chick that he plans to rob. So, you know, the second day, he's like, hop on the jet, baby, we going to Greece. And you know, you're like, this man must be rich. I'm on a jet, you know, I'm on the, my PJs on a PJ.

• 1:10:45Speaker 06

  Oh my god. Yeah, and he's such a schlub. The picture of him in, in Israel when he was living with his mom who like hates him now, uh, is, is so funny. Like he was like chunky and just like a shitty beard and like not stylish glasses. Like I, like the gla- eyeglasses of like the, like the mathematician Warren High School. Like it's just.

• 1:11:02Laci Mosley?

  He's also not sexy enough for this. Like this man is not fine enough to get a single coin out of me. Like we could, we'll park and he'd be like, I need a quarter for the meter. And I'd be like, I ain't got it. And I start walking, my purse is like.

• 1:11:14Laci Mosley?

  He ain't got no change. You're not getting it from me, sir. Not a dime. So where he's now, where he is now, after the release of the Tinder Swimmer docu- documentary, Simon was permanently removed from the dating app. So Tinder said, my name is Bennett, we're not in it and neither is Simon. He refused to be interviewed by any outlets. He disappeared for a certain time. However, he's recently given an exclusive, exclusive interview to Inside Edition. During the interview, he maintained he was just a single guy that wanted to meet some girls on Tinder and get a lot of money from them. He, his quote ends at Tinder, but uh, we know the rest. He's denied all allegations, including that he ever presented himself as a son of a diamond mogul. Simon claims he's funded his lifestyle through investing in Bitcoin in 2011 when its value was less than 10 cents.

• 1:11:58Laci Mosley?

  He's currently dating Israeli model Kate Knollin. Wow, Kate.

• 1:12:03Speaker 06

  Kate.

• 1:12:04Laci Mosley?

  Why, girl?

• 1:12:05Speaker 06

  She's so hot too. I saw a picture. I'm like, this motherfucker's not in jail. And then not only that, he has like Ferraris and a model girlfriend. I'm like, oh my god, come on, girl.

• 1:12:16Laci Mosley?

  Kate claims that she's never given Simon any coins and accused the three featured victims as faking a giant story. I don't know if I would fake this story because it's kind of embarrassing for them. Like.

• 1:12:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. You gotta admit you're nine to ten with that one. Being a straight guy, you can always find a woman who will side with you. Like every time, there's always, there's always someone who will side with you. You just gotta be like, no one's on my side.

• 1:12:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, and then also like this woman gets to speak for all women, like she's just one random woman. These three women have very similar stories and they gave him a lot of money. Though he's deleted his Instagram, Simon has also signed with a talent manager. Gina Rodriguez of Geotony Inc. In hopes of pursuing a career in the entertainment industry. Well, we know the man is good at lying, you know.

• 1:13:04Speaker 06

  What, what career? What does he want to do? Oh my god. What the fuck? Oh my god.

• 1:13:11Laci Mosley?

  Additionally, he's joined Cameo.

• 1:13:12Speaker 06

  He'll be hosting a game show next year, yeah. He's on Cameo?

• 1:13:16Laci Mosley?

  Yep, for three hundred dollars, you can have a personalized video message and for fourteen hundred dollars, you can have business ones from Shimon.

• 1:13:24Speaker 06

  Brilliant motherfucker, damn. That's a great cameo, that's a great birthday idea, shit.

• 1:13:30Laci Mosley?

  Right, you said it was like, hey baby, it's me, Simon. I love you. If you send me three thousand dollars, we can be like, you know.

• 1:13:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's exactly what I would ask, request that he say. Like I would request like him, tell, tell me about your enemies. Oh my god.

• 1:13:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, the enemies. We do, we do want to know about the enemies. Simon's ex-bodyguard, Peter Pitor, has filed a cease and desist against Netflix for the depiction of him as a knowing accomplice to Simon. It's like, hmm. Maybe he didn't, maybe he wasn't knowing, he had to be a knowing accomplice. Oh now, you knew. So for what.

• 1:14:02Speaker 06

  You have some idea.

• 1:14:03Laci Mosley?

  Something. So for what he characterizes as irreparable harm to his reputation and career, he's asking for five million euros, about five point six million dollars. If you're a bodyguard, you, what you talking about? Nobody is checking a bodyguard's resume. If you show up large, they will let you guard the entrance to any club.

• 1:14:21Speaker 06

  Yep, just scare one person and you're in, yeah.

• 1:14:24Laci Mosley?

  If you show up big, they'll be like, you have the job. I don't think that they're checking references. Like, they're not calling the last club you're at, like, hey forty forty, was he, was Pitor bodyguarding good?

• 1:14:36Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 1:14:38Laci Mosley?

  They don't care. Though Simon has never been charged outside of Israel, Cecily Pernilla and Eileen are still paying off their debts and have started a GoFundMe. So now the girls are like, can y'all fund us so that we can run Amex back their coins? Oh, they've made it up to 164,000 euros as of today. That's...

• 1:14:55Speaker 06

  Wow, that's impressive. This is a picture of a hot girl will do. Netflix should pay them, but you know.

• 1:15:02Laci Mosley?

  Right. I guess they have to appear for free for it to be like the docu-style. Because I think if you pay people in that style, then it's like not seen as legitimate.

• 1:15:10Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

• 1:15:13Laci Mosley?

  Because then you could be coercing them to say certain things or whatever. So I think that's kind of one of the stipulations. And then when asked if he felt bad for what he did, Simon said, "I feel bad for something." He said, "I feel bad for something that I didn't do?" "No, I feel bad for whatever happened to myself."

• 1:15:32Speaker 06

  R.I.P. Simone.

• 1:15:34Laci Mosley?

  Simone, what happened to you?

• 1:15:35Speaker 06

  Oh, man.

• 1:15:36Laci Mosley?

  You stole a lot of money? I don't think anything happened to you, sir.

• 1:15:42Laci Mosley?

  You know what, Simon? He probably gonna be on our movie theater screens very soon. The way America's set up, this man is gonna have the best career out there. It's time for the end of the show. Scammer of the Week. This is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise, or maybe not. We will see. Today, we're talking about Chinese student Zhou Yaqi, who spent 21 days eating free food, staying at luxury hotels, and using VIP lounges and facilities and wearing expensive clothes and jewelry without spending a dime as part of an art project for her school.

• 1:16:10Speaker 06

  Oh, that's great. I love this chick.

• 1:16:12Laci Mosley?

  That's a good art project. She said, so all she had to do was pretend to be wealthy, Beijing socialite. That's all she had to do. So to pull it off, Zhou wore expensive-looking clothes and a fake Hermes bag. She published it in a post, saying, "It's interesting how these materials are distributed." They are usually assigned to people who look like they already have a sufficient amount of wealth in life. So during one of her outings, she walked into a Louis Vuitton store, where she was immediately shown a $1,400 handbag and offered an invitation to an exclusive exhibit. The rest of her time, she stayed in VIP lounges, eating from their buffets, and sleeping on their new couches. So she would sleep in the hotel lobby. But because she had a burkin, they were like, "Oh, yeah, no, let her nap."

• 1:16:54Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:16:57Speaker 06

  That's all it takes, huh? Shit.

• 1:17:00Laci Mosley?

  And she was 23 years old. She filmed the experience, um, which premiered at the Central Academy of Fine Arts in Beijing. So obviously, this is a class thing and we all know about this. If you come in showing up like a vagrant off the streets, no, they're not gonna let you sleep on their couch. But if you in Gucci and gold and a Hermes, they're like, she's tired from carrying her Hermes all day. Just let her, somebody get her a blanket.

• 1:17:19Speaker 06

  Right. So what, where she? Or something, yeah. Did she scam these hotels out of staying there or scam people out of paying her? Or did she? Was it legit an art project?

• 1:17:30Laci Mosley?

  She was scamming, so it wasn't an art project for her, but obviously she also did run a little grift. She would just show up looking fine and she's a cute girl and looking rich. And so she'd go to the bar and people would pay for her drinks. So she would go to events and they'd be like, come on in, girl, free food, free drinks. Or she'd go to the hotel and they'd be like, yeah, this is our fainting couch. Go off, sis. Like, and, and they just let her do whatever. I think this was an excellent scam.

• 1:17:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, good for her. Yeah.

• 1:17:56Laci Mosley?

  And under the guise of education, which it is, I mean, it's just, it's already, but it's like, is this something that we didn't know already, girl?

• 1:18:02Speaker 06

  Right, right, right. That's more of a tip, like a hot tip.

• 1:18:05Laci Mosley?

  Right, that classism exists and that it's just like rich people get free stuff, you know? But they don't give the free stuff to the pores. They're like, you pay right now. Oh, right this way, Ms. Knowles, we have a free boat for you. Just take a picture next to the boat, maybe?

• 1:18:21Speaker 06

  Yeah. Tag us and it's all yours.

• 1:18:23Laci Mosley?

  Tag us and you can have this home. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we all know about this, but I, I think this is cute. It's just, but I also think it's a bit of a scam because it's like, baby girl, we already knew this, but I love this for you. So here she is, sleeping at the hotel. She's charging her phone. Oh, she got her Birkin with her at the gym.

• 1:18:40Speaker 06

  Oh, wow. She's working out with no shoes on.

• 1:18:43Laci Mosley?

  She's in the sauna right now, still with her Birkin.

• 1:18:47Speaker 06

  Good angles, she getting good angles.

• 1:18:48Laci Mosley?

  Damn, she was sleeping everywhere. She was sleeping in the gym. She, okay, she putting the food in her purse.

• 1:18:54Speaker 06

  She put her feet up on the couch, damn.

• 1:18:56Laci Mosley?

  She's trying on emeralds. These are real diamonds. They're like, yeah, you can put this on.

• 1:19:00Speaker 06

  Oh, damn.

• 1:19:01Laci Mosley?

  Free samples everywhere she going. I mean, yes.

• 1:19:03Speaker 06

  Oh, my god.

• 1:19:04Laci Mosley?

  I don't, I'm not mad at it. I don't know if it was some information that we didn't already have, but good for her for, uh, putting light on classism whilst getting free things. Guys, that brings us to the end of this episode. Oh, you guys were wonderful. We always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Upcoming projects, socials, anywhere you'd like to be found.

• 1:19:24Speaker 06

  Um, we want to promote our special day. It's our debut stand-up comedy special, um, where we each do half-hour stand-up sets. And then we open and close the special with, uh, interactive segments with the audience. It's really fun. It's available to watch for free on youtube.com slash guys we fucked without the U in fucked.

• 1:19:41Laci Mosley?

  Scissor. Yeah, a little scissor shit. Okay. And then where can we find you guys on socials?

• 1:19:45Speaker 06

  I'm at philanthropy gal on all social media, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter. And I'm at Christina Hutch. Yeah.

• 1:19:52Laci Mosley?

  And then Christina Hutch. And Christina spells her name K R Y S T Y N A. I love a non-traditional spelling. I'm L A C I. So, love that. Love that for us. Yes. And then as always, guys, send us in your letters. Snitch on your friends and family at scamgodispod at gmail.com. If you want to see the photos and the videos from this episode, scamgodispod on Instagram, or scamgodispod on Twitter. And if you want to see my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I D, love Lacey on all platforms. Congregation, stay Schemin.

• 1:20:28Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Paez, and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

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