Terry Bradshaw On: Clinical Depression, Crying on the Field, and the Mother He Could Never Please

Plus: surviving cancer twice, what three divorces taught him, and being a Baptist who owns a bourbon company. Terry Bradshaw is one of America's best-loved sports figures. As quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Hall of Famer led his team to four Super Bowl victories. Since retiring from football, Bradshaw has become a celebrated sportscaster, actor, and entrepreneur. "Pappy" Bradshaw and his wife Tammy live in Texas near daughters Rachel, Lacey, and Erin, and their families. His new book is Looking for Terry: A Memoir https://www.harpercollinsfocus.com/harper-select/books/terry/. In this episode we talk about: Why Terry spent years not knowing he had clinical depression The day he broke down sobbing on the field mid-game Why men resist asking for help, and what they do instead How his wife naming his depression "Roy" makes it more manageable His lifelong struggle to win his mother's approval What three divorces taught him about himself and marriage Squaring his Christian faith with owning a bourbon company Surviving two cancers in one year Loving life at 78 Get the 10% with Dan Harris app here https://app.danharris.com/membership Sign up for Dan's free newsletter here http://www.danharris.com/ Follow Dan on social: Instagram https://bit.ly/3tGigG5, TikTok https://bit.ly/3FOA84J Subscribe to our YouTube Channel https://bit.ly/3FybRzD This episode is sponsored by: Planet Visionaries: In partnership with The Rolex Perpetual Planet Initiative, listen to or watch Planet Visionaries wherever you get your podcasts. Cash App: Download Cash App Today: click.cash.app/ui6m/oh9jnxlq https://click.cash.app/ui6m/oh9jnxlq #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N. A., pursuant to a license from Visa U. S. A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Savings provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. To advertise on the show, contact [email protected] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris

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• 0:03Dan Harris?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome to the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm your host, Dan Harris. We are all, most of us, I think, at least occasionally, performing versions of ourselves. And my guest is already laughing about this because he sees himself in this. These personas, these masks that we sometimes have to wear can create a lot of stress because often there's this huge gap between how we act and how we actually feel, which is why I am so excited to speak to my guest, whose laughter you're already hearing. His name is Terry Bradshaw. He is, I don't think he needs much of an introduction, but he has won many Super Bowls as a quarterback and has now created this legendary career as a sports broadcaster. And he's got a new memoir called Looking for Terry,

• 0:45Dan Harris?

  in which he talks about the fact that beneath his good old Terry persona has long lurked clinical depression. Terry Bradshaw.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Dan.

• 0:53Dan Harris?

  End of the show.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Sorry I laughed.

• 0:55Dan Harris?

  No, no, no.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  But you were so, you were spot on. Who doesn't wear a mask?

• 1:00Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:01Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  I mean, and eventually you gotta take it off. I mean, people put masks on when they're dating. They put that good foot forward. That's why when you get married after so many years, you think you know them. You really don't because there is a mask that comes off when you get married, which is good. It's good. I like that. But yeah. So I got a kick out of it.

• 1:18Dan Harris?

  I have to say, I'm so excited to meet you because I watch every Sunday.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:21Dan Harris?

  I was telling you before we started recording, I have an 11-year-old boy who's obsessed with football, so we consume a lot of Terry Bradshaw content. And I'm just grateful to you for what you're doing because I don't, I think you're going to reach a lot of people, you already are reaching a lot of people, who would not be comfortable talking about their mental health, especially men.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 1:41Dan Harris?

  And you're like, hey, I won four Super Bowls and I have clinical depression. That is so helpful.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  It's so hard. Can I explain something? It was 21 years since I did my last book. So much has happened to me in my life. And not that I'm so vain to think, well, Americans just can't wait to get my book, right? So I'm not that vain. I wrote the book for me, for my kids. And I wrote it for people out there that are curious about me. Because, look, a lot of kids, a lot of young people have no clue that I even played football. You know, a lot of them don't even know who I am.

• 2:19Dan Harris?

  My son is very aware.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  And that's wonderful because he's a football fan. But I did this book and I said, so much has happened. I just want to, not necessarily clear the air, I just want to refreshen the air a little bit and just tell everyone that, you know, that I've been divorced three times. Am I proud of it? No. I got it right now. How did I, how'd that happen? And in the book, I talk about how it happened. I had to take relationships and realize that all three were alike. Nothing wrong with those women. They're wonderful women. It's me because it didn't work. And so I had to find out what it was. And then I had to cut the chain for that. And I had to, there had to be another me to come in and fall in love with something

• 3:05Speaker 01

  different for me. And, and man, that was, that was a great lesson. But it was hard to do, hard to do. And then depression, the depression was, who's going to believe this? Because celebrities get, I hate to use that word, but I gotta, I gotta tell you, I know I am one.

• 3:23Dan Harris?

  Fits, yeah.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Okay? And we get depressed and then we say, oh, you know, bless his heart. He's got depression. Oh, my God, let me go buy his book. You know what I'm saying? Or I just got arrested. Here's my mugshot. Oh, if I told you I'm clinically depressed, but I've been drinking. And, or I'm on drugs, or I'm running around on my, you know, significant other to try to find my happy place. And I open up about both of these because these are, these are the demons, the two big demons in my life. And the more I talked about it, the better I felt about it, the more I liked myself because I sought help. And that was the difference.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  I recognized the problem in both, and I sought to rectify the problem, if it, if it could be. And that's what this book's about. It's also about my faith. A lot of people don't know I'm a Christian, probably because I don't act like one, which is very, I apologize. I try to be, everybody, you know, I don't know what, but my faith means a lot to me. But I also own a bourbon company. So there's a little bit of guilt there. How can you do bourbon and be a Christian? I even tell my preacher, I say, look, I'm not drinking, getting drunk every day. I just enjoy the bourbon business and the, and the company. So, so much in this book, and there's a lot of humor in it.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  And when I got through with the book, Dan, I just thought, God, you know, this is good. And so that's why I said, Looking for Terry, because it's a journey. You know, it's a, it's a wonderful journey. It's a journey filled with great events, great moments, great successes, but multiple failures. So maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't.

• 5:16Dan Harris?

  On the bourbon thing, didn't Jesus turn water into wine?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  You know what? I reminded my preacher of that. You're just, keep the party going. No, you're right. Yeah, it's, it's one of those things that, that I'm Baptist and so we'll, we'll kind of eat our own if we can, you know? We'll punish us real badly. Maybe people don't know, I give all the money to church or I give it to help people, people that are in need. They don't know that. So it's, but yeah, I had to get past that too. But I'm okay with that.

• 5:49Dan Harris?

  Take me back to your childhood. Like this, this gap between how you felt and how you acted, I have to imagine it started there.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Oh, it did, for sure. You can, you've only known me 10 minutes and you know, I'm, I like, I'd rather laugh, I'd rather smile.

• 6:08Dan Harris?

  I get that.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  And as a child, I was, as I found out also later in life, I deal with ADD. And so that explains, it's like, oh, my God, I had ADD. Well, no wonder I couldn't focus in, you know, in math. No wonder I didn't like history or, or school. Why? It was such a struggle for me. And when my mother took me to a doctor, you know, basically, do I need to be on some, it was like, you know, he's a happy boy. He's, he's got lots of energy, you know, so on and so forth. But they didn't treat that back then. They didn't treat that. And so as a child, yeah, always in trouble, always in trouble, good trouble, not bad trouble, always in trouble,

• 6:54Speaker 01

  always getting a spanking, always doing the wrong thing, you know? I was always pursuing football. Can you believe that? At seven years old? Seven years old, tell your son, he's at 11, at seven, I wanted to play in the NFL. I loved it. I couldn't get enough of it. But yeah, as a young man, I needed to be busy, needed to be busy. I stayed busy. My mother never knew where we were because when, we got up in the morning, my brother and I were gone. We had to worry about that. We were gone on our bikes. See you later. Come back for lunch. Gone. See you later for dinner. We were gone. And which is kind of a cool way to grow up, grow up. Grew up loving the country, grew up on my grandmother and grandfather's farm.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  That's where my happy moments were. My grandfather plowed with Tony and Shorty a pair of Clydesdales. I used to sit on them while he plowed. I used to fall asleep on the yolks. And he was always afraid I'd fall off. It made him nervous, but I always fall asleep. I loved the smell of a horse, of horse sweat. I loved the cows. My grandmother would let me milk the Jersey cow. We raised pigs, chickens. That's how I grew up. And I grew up in a family, my grandfather especially, who was, I know I'm just like him because he never met a stranger, always friendly, always giving everybody anything. He had the sweetest, kindest man.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  You know, I, and he loved gospel music and he couldn't sing a lick. That was my environment and that's what I love. And that's what I've carried with me till I'm 78 years old today.

• 8:29Dan Harris?

  Did you find, though, that you were rewarded in the family for being cheerful and not so much for when you were sad?

• 8:36Speaker 01

  I don't think, I don't think I was rewarded for being cheerful because I got a lot of spankings. I was an irritant.

• 8:46Dan Harris?

  Did you know back then that there was, that there was some sadness lurking in your psyche?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  If you're talking about depression, that came later on in college. And then college, it carried over into the pros. I didn't know what the heck was going on. I just, I just thought I was just sad, you know, for no reason sad. I had no idea. And it got worse when you had bad things, when bad things happened, it got worse. Didn't understand it.

• 9:17Dan Harris?

  There's a scene in the book where you're on the Steelers and weeping on the field after one of your divorces.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  I got sacked right before half. And when I'm on the field playing, my entire family could have been killed in a plane crash and I could have played. Because that's, that's where I found my happy place. When my dad died, I couldn't do the Fox pregame show because I'm the caretaker of my family. My mom and my family needed me. I don't think Fox understood that, but I did. And I wasn't going to do a Super Bowl, you know? And somebody else can take my place and somebody else can present the trophy, but I'm here for my family. When I was playing football, when I was going through divorce, and as much as I hurt because

• 10:08Speaker 01

  of failure and all the things that you would think of, when I played, I was fine. Matter of fact, Dan, when I played, played my best football. Go answer that question. I don't know why. I played my, you know, I played my best. This moment you're talking about, I got hit right before half and I landed and then basically the gun goes off and everybody leaves. And for some reason I just broke, I just broke down, just started bawling.

• 10:41Dan Harris?

  On the field?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  On the field.

• 10:42Dan Harris?

  Can you, could you see it on the film?

• 10:45Speaker 01

  You saw me get sacked, but I don't recall them putting a camera on me. And I, and I couldn't get up. So they thought I was hurt. So the doctors and the medical people, our trainer, two trainers, two doctors came out, set me up. I was laying on my back and they set me up and I put my, just like I'm doing right now, I put my hands like this. And I was just, I was just way laying. I just couldn't stop. And thank God for Ralph Berlin, who was our trainer and our doctor. And, and they just said, just don't worry about a thing. We got you. When you're ready to get up, we'll get up. If you're not ready to get up, we're not getting up.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  And I'll never forget that. And I just sat there and I was trying to get it together, but it just emptied. It just emptied on me. It just, all that hurt and pain, just, just piled on me and I, all because I got hit, sacked. And I was down for a while. And when I got up, fans started cheering, yay, they're live. They had no idea I wasn't hurt. You know? Nobody knows about that story till now.

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• 14:31Dan Harris?

  And yet, so that happens in the eighties.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:35Dan Harris?

  You don't actually get help for clinical depression for another.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Till after I retire.

• 14:39Dan Harris?

  Yes. So quite a few years later.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:42Dan Harris?

  Well, why not?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  I didn't know what was wrong with me. I've been like that my whole life. Everybody's like that, aren't they? You know, hi, my, what makes me different? It probably is the very reason I say to men, primarily men, we won't seek help because we're macho men, you know, we're, we're big, powerful football players and football players don't cry. How many times you heard that? Football players don't cry. You know, you get up and you play hurt and so on and so forth, beat into our brains our whole life. That's why I tell in this book, I tell, hey, look, not that I'm speaking to men, but I'm

• 15:25Speaker 01

  speaking to women also, but I just know that men are the worst. They're not going to get help. They're going to drink. You know, we're going to, I'm going to fix this with some booze. They're going to, they're going to do drugs. I'll just smoke or whatever it is I'm going to do. Or I'll just run around on my spouse or my girlfriend because, you know, that happiness right there is going to really, you know, and it's not, none of it works. What it does, in my case, I can only answer for me, the depression would come and then I would sink, I would accept the low. All right, I, I would accept it, not knowing what it was, never even thinking about depression.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  And slowly, get out of it.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  All right? Then you go a while, back down, you go again. No reason, no explanation. When I finished playing, I get back to, I moved to Texas, I get divorced. That was tough, two kids. So naturally I'm depressed. That's just a given. And then it just kept getting worse. I'm flying, I'm working, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm traveling around the country miserable. And just miserable, coming home to my horse farm, going through the horses, miserable. Nothing pleased me. Breakdowns.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  A friend of mine came over one day and I just, he said, man, are you okay? I said, I don't know what the hell is wrong with me. I don't know what this is. He says, you're depressed? I said, well, yeah, I can't, I'm depressed, but what's this? I just don't press it. Yeah, you have a bad day at work, you get depressed, you press tomorrow, you're okay, right? You move on, up and down, up and down. Boy, it was just, Dan, it was, it was just a feeling. I just couldn't, I couldn't grasp it. And so finally, I decided I, I gotta go get some help. Maybe something really wrong, maybe something's really wrong. So I went and saw a doctor, family doctor.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  And I went in and he, we started talking. And he asked me questions. We just kept talking. We talked for a while, then he says, you ever thought about counseling? I said, no. So he said, maybe we should get you some counseling, get you a Christian counselor. No, no, I don't want to do that. So he says, I've gone as far with you as I can go. Here, you need to go see this psychologist. So I went and spent a year with this psychologist, going, going over my entire life. Then from him, I end up going to a psychiatrist, another doctor, testing me, do all the stuff

• 18:25Speaker 01

  they do. And he said, Terry, you're, you're clinically depressed. We're going to do this, we're going to do that. And I'll never forget when he told me, you're clinically depressed. I asked him, could he give me a shot? I didn't know. So did I tell you how bad I was hurting? Can you give me a shot for this? And he said, no. So they started me on, on medicine, which took a while, took a while for it to, to work. That is a dark period of my life that I'm just like, God, you know, thank God, I, thank God I had the courage to go and seek help. That was the key.

• 19:00Dan Harris?

  Yes.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  And one passed me on, one said, this is as far as I can go with you. The other guy says, well, as far as I can go with you, so on, so on. And it's exhausting to talk about it. Actually, if we and I keep talking about it, I mean, let me tell you what will happen. It'll start creeping in.

• 19:19Dan Harris?

  The depression?

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Yes. It'll trigger. The, the other day, I was talking with a gentleman and he, he kept, kept on, no, I'm not complaining. I'm not just telling you, I'm just giving you an example. He kept on about this negative, this negative, this negative, this negative, this negative. And I kept talking and talking and I said, I'm sorry, you're going to have to stop because, you know, I'm sinking here.

• 19:47Dan Harris?

  Wow.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  I'm sinking, I can't talk about this anymore. And we stopped and got on to something good.

• 19:52Dan Harris?

  Well, let me make that pivot myself because I don't want to trigger it.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  No, no, I would tell you, I would tell, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just trying to explain, I want everybody to know, I didn't seek help at first. I didn't know what was wrong with me. You get divorced, you, of course you're depressed. You have a bad game, of course you're depressed. I mean, negative is negatives. But now, in my life, I have no reason to be negative about anything. I'm the happiest guy, and I'm always the jovial guy. Here comes the demon. And thank God, I married a woman that knows me better. She knows me well. And she senses when it's coming.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  And she comes over, and she, this is kind of cute, I guess. She gave it a name, Roy. And she says, is Roy trying to make a house call? And I'll say, yeah, Roy, she said, yeah. And she says, well, let's talk about it. And we start talking. So, thank God for that, right?

• 20:59Dan Harris?

  Just to say Tammy's a major figure in the book, which is, and the book is called Looking for Terry. And I just met Tammy. She's lovely. And this thing of naming the depression Roy, is, in my opinion, a stroke of brilliance. Because, and there's a real tradition of this, both in religious traditions, but also in modern psychology, of naming difficult parts of our person. Are you aware of this?

• 21:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 21:28Dan Harris?

  Okay. So, in modern psychological circles, there's a whole school of therapy called IFS, Internal Family Systems, where you name different parts of your personality, which helps you deal with them more effectively.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  So, we had a stroke of genius there and didn't know it.

• 21:43Dan Harris?

  You know it now.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:45Dan Harris?

  And it worked for you.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's Roy.

• 21:47Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  And the great thing is, I feel it coming. I feel it coming physically. She senses it coming mentally, emotionally. She senses, she knows before I know. And so, she named it Roy. And it's kind of a chuckle, you know, because it's got a name. And it's Roy. And, you know, so it works.

• 22:14Dan Harris?

  It's more manageable when you name it.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. And I talk about Roy, and people do get a kick out of it. No one's ever told me what you just said, which makes me go, oh, my wife is pretty friggin' smart, isn't she?

• 22:27Dan Harris?

  She's just smart.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, very smart.

• 22:29Dan Harris?

  It reminds me of, do you remember Peter Jennings?

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:34Dan Harris?

  Yeah, so Peter was my mentor for many years when I was at ABC News.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Great newscaster.

• 22:38Dan Harris?

  And he once told me, this was a man who, like you, had been married four times. And he said to me, I have a piece of advice for you, Harris. Marry well at least once.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 22:48Dan Harris?

  And it sounds like that happened for you.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you can bet one thing, that once is going to be the last time you marry.

• 22:57Dan Harris?

  Exactly.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Unless something drastic happens. In the book, it's, I really enjoy talking about all this, because it's therapeutic. This is like when I was going to all these doctors. And I'm just talking, I'm talking about Terry from a kid till current time, same as you and I right now. And it's, the more you talk about it, and more stuff pops up, you know? The more, I said, I never cried at my mother's funeral. And I have to go back and look, and my wife tells you right off the bat why I didn't cry, because as a caretaker of the family, I'm the one that got punished the most. I'm the one that's more was expected of. I'm the one that was the biggest disappointment.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  And I'm the one that sought out her love. Constantly. Constantly. And after a while, I think you resent that you have to constantly seek approval from someone that you have done so much for. So much for, because I financially could, all right? Because I could. And yet, at the end, you still don't feel appreciated. And it, and then when she, and then, how come you haven't called me? You should call me. You did this and that. Well, Mom, I'm traveling. You don't have to work so hard. No, I have to work hard because I bought you that damn house, and that thing cost me $600,000.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I bought you that Mercedes Benz you always wanted to, and that cost me $100,000. And, yeah, well, I give you, and then you, you don't say this. I said it just now. But I start thinking about all the things that I've done to let her know how much I love her, how much, even though those are materialistic things, she couldn't afford them, my dad couldn't afford them. And it's, I want her to have a better life, a quality of life. It seems to be never enough. So, when she died, I didn't go look at her. I didn't view her at all. I didn't want to see her in a casket.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  And I just, I walked in and sat down with Tammy. The other day, my brother was listening to one of these podcasts. And he said, did you really mean what you said about Mom, that you didn't cry at the funeral? I said, and I thought, oh, boy, he's really hurt by what I, I said, Gary? Yeah. I'm sorry. And I don't know why, but when Dad, when my father died, I couldn't talk. It killed me. Destroyed me for a long time. He said, I felt the same way.

• 25:44Dan Harris?

  Oh, wow.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  I went, I didn't know about it. He didn't know about it with me. I didn't know about it with him. So, and then you go back and you look over your mother, how she was raised, why she was like this. And you go, bless her heart, that's, you know, I don't, I'm not punishing her for it. It's just, I loved her, you know? I just didn't cry.

• 26:05Dan Harris?

  But it can create a lot of pain for a kid to be constantly attempting to please their mother and to not feel that it ever is enough.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, it's, how many kids out there, or young people who are listening to this podcast are going to go, ah, yeah. And you know what? My mother's been dead three years now. I have to be very careful, or I'll put myself through guilt. I don't want to feel guilty. I don't want that now, because there's nothing, I can't undo it, you know? So, do I have to forgive myself? Do I have to say, Terry, you're a good man. You're a good son. And I was. But I didn't cry at her funeral. Am I okay with this? Is that normal? Do I have to go back and see a doctor and say, well, I got some more stuff for you?

• 26:55Dan Harris?

  Where are you with that?

• 26:58Speaker 01

  I'm good, most of it, most of it. When I do talk about it, I tell, I tell Tammy, my wife, I tell her, dang, you know? And we'll get to talking. And she says, well, this is how she did, she starts naming, you ever saw your mother treated you? She saw it. I don't, you know? I don't know.

• 27:18Dan Harris?

  I don't think you can hold yourself responsible for your emotions. They are what they are. They come, and you, are you dictating from moment to moment? I want anger now. I want anxiety now. I want sadness now. You can't control it. And so, that's the way you felt in that moment? For, and it sounds like for some very good reasons? I, what I would wish for you is no guilt.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. That, now, I look at it, I don't want to even have that thought. I don't want to have that thought, so I have to say, ah, ah, Terry, you were a good man. Now, let's move on. And even Tammy, I'll talk, I say, I'll bring it out of it. It'll just come out of me. I just, I'll start talking about my mom, and I'll always get back, and she'll say, honey, you were a good man. You loved your, you didn't hate your mother. You loved your mother. And she was this, and this, and this. And what mothers and fathers don't understand, if you're tough on your kid, and you, you know, because she used to ask me, why do you work so hard? Why do you work so hard?

• 28:27Speaker 01

  I say, Mom, let me tell you why I work so hard. Because you told me I'd never amount to shit. She said, what? Because you told me I'd never amount to shit. You want to know why I work so hard? Because you told me I will never amount to shit. I didn't say that. You think I'd make that up? So, and then when I had heartaches, she'd be the one, I'd go and cry on her shoulder. I'd lay my head in her lap. And so, it, it's just, why, you know, it's like with my kids, I love them so much, I am never hard on them. And when I am, it's, I got a soft way of going about, I don't want my kids to say, oh, my daddy, da, da, da. You know? Love conquers all.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  I believe that. It's just that, but I, you know, one thing, you go back, and you look at your mother's life, and you understand how she was raised, and how she was treated. And then you can say, okay, but wouldn't you not want that to happen to your children and you? I wouldn't. That's why, the way I was loved, which was great, my dad, my, awesome. Awesome. Oh, my God, awesome. I could talk to my dad and tell my dad, look, you cannot make decisions for me. I have to grow up and make my own decisions. And if they're, and if they turn out good, good for me. And if they're bad, good for me. I'm going to learn either way.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  But if you keep making all my business decisions, Dad, you're going to die one of these days, and I am going to be lost. And my dad never did it again. I said, I will ask for your, for your advice. And I did. And I paid attention to it. But that ended, you know, that ended, you got to do this, you got to do that, and don't do this, and don't do that. No, no, I'm, you know, I'm claiming to be a grown man, and, but my dad was awesome. My mother just, man, tough.

• 30:27Dan Harris?

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• 31:57Dan Harris?

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• 32:42Dan Harris?

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• 33:59Speaker 02

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• 34:03Dan Harris?

  Do you think that it's possible that you are getting from Tammy, your wife now, what you never got from your mother?

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Well, the first thing that came to my mind when you said that was that I see my mother, and I wish my mother was like Tammy. And I guess emotionally, you probably are. I will climb and conquer a mountain for you if you love on me. If you beat me up and you punish me, you will get nothing out of me. You will get resentment, hate. Do not punish me. All right, you can whip me, and I know when I deserve whipping. That's fine. But if you want me to excel and encourage me, and there's... Listen, there are more people out there, I think, like me. You'll get what? You get more bees with honey or whatever their old saying is?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're kind to me, I will love you to death. I will do for you what you never thought anybody, either a friend... But if you're mean and unkind to me, if you're a friend, I'll wipe you off. I'm through with you.

• 35:09Dan Harris?

  The reason why I ask the question is it struck me, listening to you, that it was very powerful, and it continues to be powerful for you, when in moments of doubt, Tammy turns to you and says, you're a good man.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:21Dan Harris?

  And I know that from my own marriage. That's very powerful for me, too. And it feels to me, and we just met, but in listening to you talk about your mother, that that sense that she thought you were a good man was not really conveyed to you. And so when Tammy does it, it is scratching a deep itch.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  I initially took that as I married... Tammy's what I wish my mother was emotionally. And you're probably right. Now, my mother loved me, but when you think about it, it was, well, when I won football games, when I did nice things, and so on and so forth. But yeah, Tammy is... Tammy knows when she's wrong. And I'm kind to her when I say, when we disagree. And we do, but not that often. And she'll tell you, Tammy, if I'm right, I'll... If I'm right, I will argue my point, or if I feel I'm right. And if I'm not sure that I'm right about my point,

• 36:20Speaker 01

  I will start a debate. And then it's not important that I win a debate that I'm not sold on. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're right, babe. Yeah. So I see your point, and yeah, had my mother... I wouldn't have played any better, but I would have been a happier kid, for sure. Because there's nothing worse than... There's just nothing worse than being punished for... Being verbally punished, verbally beat up. God, oh, man. Just why? Why do that? You don't forget that stuff.

• 37:00Dan Harris?

  It's interesting to think about the fact that part of your motivation, as you described it earlier, was your mother would say to you, why are you working so hard? And you would say, because you told me I would never amount to shit.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:12Dan Harris?

  And if she had been a little bit more loving and conveyed to you that actually she was not impossible to please or satisfy,

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Would I still felt the same way?

• 37:23Dan Harris?

  Would you still have worked so hard?

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Well, that's a good question. Probably yes. Probably yes. But I just remember that's what she said. And I didn't want to disappoint my mother. I wanted to make good grades in school, but I didn't. I paid for it. I'm not using that as an excuse for why I work hard. Because I think everybody works hard. But I am also, in my personality, being ADD and being depression and all that stuff you deal with in your life. I'm happiest and I'm freer in my spirit when I'm busy, when I'm working, when I'm... You know what? Maybe I'm like a preacher.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  You know what a preacher needs more than anything from his flock? He needs to be told by somebody, man, what a great job you did today. Because he's giving to you. He's pouring it all out to 1,000 people. And then he walks back to his office after the service is over. And what's he got? What's his feedback? We're human beings. We need feedback. I need to tell you that when I leave here today, and I'm going to tell you now, I like you.

• 38:37Dan Harris?

  I like you, too.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this is great. We're friends. This is great. I mean, I haven't said that in any interview I've done yet. You're the first person I've said that to, and I've done 30 at least. So I like...

• 38:51Dan Harris?

  Thank you.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Can you imagine what it's like if you get up as a motivational speaker, and I pour my heart and soul out for 60, 90... I'm beating it, and I'm creating this outline of success and happiness and freedom and conquering goals. And you just pour it out, and you've got 5,000 people out there, and you're lathered up with sweat. You ain't got a dry thread on your body. You have emptied the shell. They got to call in the National Guard, and nobody...

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Nothing. Can you imagine what that's like? Nothing. You get nothing in exchange and you walk off and what is the first thing you think about? God, I didn't do a good job. I don't write my speeches. My outline is in my head. A lot of my stuff I already know. And a lot of stuff while I'm talking comes to me. I create. You may lose with me, but you'll never win without me. Which became a theme of our defense of line, George Purvis. He said, what'd you say? And it came out of my mouth because Dwight White tackled me in practice and I was steaming. You don't touch quarterback practice. He decked me and I got up and I took the football,

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Dan, I slapped him right in the face with it. And if he had come at me, I'd have fought him tooth and nail. And I said, you may lose, you may lose with me, mad dog, but you'll never win without me. You got that? And I went and sat out of my helmet. I was steaming. About 10 minutes later, he came over. Give me that saying. What saying? You don't want to get hit in favor of the football and you got mad at me for a second. He's laughing. I don't know what I said. Yeah, you do. What I'm talking about. You're gonna win. We're gonna win. We're gonna lose with me. How did that go? It took us a practice, but we figured it out and I use it. I use it. Anyway, some things come to you while you're talking.

• 40:51Dan Harris?

  Yes.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  And they're like jewels. You know, they're jewels. Where do they come? It's the creative side. Where is that? Where'd that come from? It's like songwriter. Where'd you get that line? How'd you do that? How'd you write El Paso, Marty? Marty Robbins? Where'd that come from? How'd those licks fall together? You just don't know. So it's just interesting how we need, we need to feel that what we just did was good. We need to be appreciated.

• 41:22Dan Harris?

  I feel it. I mean, I've been a version of a performer my whole life and I definitely need it. But part of me, I feel a little guilty about it. Like, what if I didn't need the, if I didn't, is it possible that I'd be happier if I didn't require validation of that variety?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  I don't think that's human.

• 41:43Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Do you? Isn't that part of our behavior? Maybe one of our five senses? Nah, not one of our five senses. But you see, my point is like, I'll come up to Fox pregame show Sunday. Nobody applauds. Nobody applauds. We go and we change clothes after a 12 hour day and we put on our traveling clothes to go home. And when I get back to the hotel with my wife is waiting on me, sometimes she'll say something like, oh, that was oh, that's a really good show. But if she doesn't, if she doesn't, what do I do, Dan?

• 42:19Dan Harris?

  Roy comes out?

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Oh, no, Roy doesn't. Well, maybe. But I'll ask her, so what'd you think? How'd the show go?

• 42:26Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  That's my wife. And she'll say, oh, it was a good show. Then two weeks, two weeks ago, wasn't a good show for me. I couldn't talk. You ever had a day where you couldn't talk? I couldn't make heads or tails out of nothing. And I had all this information and I woke up at 2:30 in the morning and there she is. I got a light on over my bed and I'm going through notes to get shit. What are you doing? I said, I can't, I just, I just feel like I'm not prepared, which I'm totally, I'm over prepared. And it wasn't a good day. It was not a good day for me. And I couldn't talk. And so I came back and

• 43:06Speaker 01

  to the hotel. I didn't want to say anything because I knew it was bad. And so I said, how'd it go today, babe? She said, well, it wasn't your best show. But you know what? What if she said, oh, you were amazing. Now I know it's bullshit.

• 43:23Dan Harris?

  Right, exactly.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  You know, she is, she is honest and she does, and she knows I can handle it. From her, I can handle it. But I already knew it was a bad show. Don't tell me I did good when I know I did bad. But I, I, it's, it's, listen, every podcast you do, you may walk out of here and go home tonight and you'll go back over this maybe. And you may say, oh, man, that wasn't, I didn't do my job today. But you know what? It's never as good as you think it is. And boy, it's never as bad, is it? And that's what she, honey, honey, you sounded fine. Nobody knows that you didn't say what you wanted to say.

• 44:00Dan Harris?

  Exactly.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  And you go, well, that's a good point. But I even text the producer on Monday and said, hey, it wasn't my best day yesterday. I owe you one. I never even heard back from him.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  So, you know, he obviously didn't even notice either.

• 44:21Dan Harris?

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• 47:03Dan Harris?

  It's amazing how you can just get in your.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Oh, you bring, hey, you bring a mess up, man. Yes.

• 47:08Dan Harris?

  The book is called Finding Terry.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:10Dan Harris?

  Did you find him?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Before, while I was writing the book and when I opened up about everything, bottom line is, Dan, I like me. I've got frailties. I've got scars, you know, but I like me. I do the one thing I'm most proud of, and this is just why God made me. I just love, I love people. I love making people happy. It makes me feel good. And when I feel like I haven't done my job, you know, I get upset. When I don't, like on the Fox show, maybe I didn't say something, I had a funny here and a funny there. Then I think, well, you can't be too funny because it's a football show. No, we'll

• 47:57Speaker 01

  save it. Don't do it. And it's a struggle. Do I, you know, it's a struggle because I am a football guy. And when I played quarterback, I wasn't funny.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  No, I didn't crack jokes in the huddle. It was serious. I'm calling plays. I'm, my brain's working. I'm looking at the down marker. I'm looking at this. I'm checking with the players. I'm asking questions. I'm busy trying to win a football game. And so then I find him. Yeah. I found him and I came away with, you know, I'm a good man. I like men. I like the way I treat people.

• 48:34Dan Harris?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  And that, that makes me very happy.

• 48:38Dan Harris?

  That's certainly my impression. Did you, do you ever feel like I don't want to do the Terry show? Like, for example, um, the book opens with, welcome to my book. I'm the guy who plays Terry Bradshaw.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Now, see, I think that's funny. I started laughing.

• 48:55Dan Harris?

  I think it's funny too, but you describe putting on your happy suit and things like that. And so are there days where you're like, look, I,

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:02Dan Harris?

  I don't want to do this.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:03Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  There are days I don't feel good.

• 49:06Dan Harris?

  Yeah.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  You know, maybe Roy is showing up. There's days I don't feel good. There, I'll tell you what, if I walk into my barn, my training center, and I'm not laughing and hugging on all my employees, which I do, when I leave and go out of there, they'll say, is he okay today? What's wrong with him? Did we do something? They, they feed off of my energy and my posit, my positive aura. So yeah, it, it does wear you out because there, there are days when I got a lot on my mind. Flying out here, for instance, it wasn't, you know, I'm quiet. I was quiet the whole way.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  I was reading, um, I was reading and reading and reading. I just finished this book by Bill McRaven. You ought to have him on your show, by the way.

• 49:57Dan Harris?

  Admiral?

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Admiral Bill, oh my God. It's the second time I've read the book.

• 50:02Dan Harris?

  Hmm.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  It's so, my heroes is, you got, it is, he is so amazing. And I just finished that book and I was thinking about all these things. And you know, I was thinking, you know, I was saying to myself while I, when I put the book down, I went, God, why can't I be this smart? Why, why can't I use big words like that? Why, why don't I have the respect? But when you're a four star admiral, you know, like my wife says, I said, God, these people were so nice to me. My wife sometimes just said, honey, you're Terry Bradshaw. Of course they're going to be nice to you. I'm a four star admiral. Admiral, they're going to show you respect. Of course they are. You know, you're their boss.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  So there are times, there are times like five, there are times when I'm, when I'm deep into problem solving, when I'm in, in my vision moment where I'm trying, okay, do I do this? Do I do that? Do I need this? Do I that? Da, da, da, da, da. And I'm, I'm totally focused in on that. I'm dialed out. There's, you know, I'm dialed out. And I, and that's when, and a lot of times she'll say to me, are you okay? Is Roy showing? No, no, I swear, I'll tell her, no, honey, I swear, Roy's not showing up. I just got a lot, I got him thinking about some stuff. But yeah, but the top of that, the way the book starts, I love that. Put on my happy Terry, my happy, yeah, yeah. That's good.

• 51:27Dan Harris?

  One last thing I want to ask you about from the book. You talk about having cancer twice in the same year.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:32Dan Harris?

  And that, this was not long ago?

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, three years.

• 51:35Dan Harris?

  Three years ago. You're 78 now?

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:39Dan Harris?

  Um, yeah. Where are you in terms?

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Cancer?

• 51:42Dan Harris?

  Yeah. Like in terms of your own health and?

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Cancer free.

• 51:45Dan Harris?

  Cancer free. Yeah, great.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had Merkel cell cancer, which is the worst skin cancer there is. 2% of the, of the world gets it. Had it over here and all this was taken out. And, um, I had bladder cancer, all this, yeah. Big hole here. Yeah. This is, this has been the work. I mean, they're both bad. This one, your neck's tight and you're, I don't have any feeling and can't grow hair over here. And, yeah, and this side of my mouth is dry. So food sticks. I'm always trying to eat on one side, but, uh, I got to ring the bell. And, uh,

• 52:26Dan Harris?

  Oh, nice.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  MD Anderson, which is great. And then the bladder cancer was, I still have to, I still get, I, I get, uh, treatments every six months, preventative treatments. And, uh, up at Yale, uh, Yale University Hospital. And, uh, so cancer wise, you go back for all these treatments, Dan. And when you go in and you get, go through your exams, whatever they may be, CAT scans, PASC, whatever, you gotta wait. You get to, and the wait is the, the wait's, it's, it's just.

• 53:03Dan Harris?

  What do you do? What do you do in America?

• 53:05Speaker 01

  What are you going to do? I try not to think about it. When I, when I was diagnosed with, um, bladder cancer, this is funny. We, we get back to Texas and, um, my wife walks in. She says, honey, I need you to sit down. I went, I'm not sitting down. See, I would need you to sit, I'm not sitting down. I said, look, the last time I sat down, a woman came in and told me she wanted my ass out of the house at 5:30 and she wanted a divorce. I am not sitting down. And she starts, then she said, well, you have Merkel cell cancer. I don't even know what that is. And she told me, and then can we treat it?

• 53:50Speaker 01

  And what stage is it in? And so on and so forth. But I wasn't about to sit down.

• 53:55Dan Harris?

  Were you in some way relieved that it wasn't, I want a divorce?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely.

• 54:02Dan Harris?

  I'll take the.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Dan, I wasn't sitting down. Have you not heard me yet? I wasn't sitting down. I didn't like the tone of her voice.

• 54:15Dan Harris?

  The aging, getting older, is that?

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 54:18Dan Harris?

  How do you compute that? Is it scary?

• 54:19Speaker 01

  It's good. It's good. No, no. I love getting older. I, listen, I've lived a marvelous, as most people would say, charmed life. I just, I'm sharing with everyone, it hasn't always been charmed. I'm charmed right now. I feel good. I, it hasn't been all charmed, but I, I wouldn't trade, I would, I would trade divorces for sure. I wouldn't trade my kids. I would love my children. I would, there are a lot of things I don't want to experience ever again, or I wish I never had experienced. But it may be in the person I am. I accept that. I'm not perfect and I have so much knowledge. I think that's pretty common.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  When you, when you live a long life, you gather a lot of knowledge and I've done a lot of things. And I have a lot of experience in certain areas. And like when my kid said, Dad, what's, what's secret to a happy marriage? I said, make sure you marry your best friend. Make sure they're your best friend. Uh, I couldn't, I couldn't, you know, if I'd have never been divorced, maybe that's what I, I would have found. But you said that your last, what, your last, what was that?

• 55:33Dan Harris?

  Very well, at least once.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  At least once, man, that is like classic. Like if I could remember it, I'll use it. But I don't regret, 78 is beautiful. I love my age. Yeah, I'm slower. I just had my hip replaced, two knees replaced, right ankle's fused and got pins and plates in it. I mean, shoulder, oh man, I can just sit here and list stuff and just like, man, this is, it's okay. You know, it just, would I do it again? Okay. If this is where I'm going to end up, right here, you and I, Dan, yes, I'd do it again. If this is where I end up, I'd do it again.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Cause where I am right now is pretty good.

• 56:22Dan Harris?

  It's an enormous pleasure to meet you and I really appreciate you.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  I don't like you anymore.

• 56:27Dan Harris?

  I take it all back. I take it all back. It was not a pleasure to meet you. No.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  No, thank you. This is, you know what I like about this interview? I'm talking to a pretty intelligent guy and I, I appreciate where you took me today. I, I normally, when I do podcasts and stuff, I'm normally like, well, Terry, you got a book out right now. It's, uh, called Looking for Terry. And then you talk about depression and then, okay, good. Well, we're here in Chicago. Let's talk about those bears. And it always, and I'm like, okay. I mean, out of respect, you do it, but I do appreciate this. I love doing these kinds of talks because there is more to me than the goofy guy you see on TV.

• 57:15Dan Harris?

  Clearly.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  You know, there is more to me. And I like the goofy guy, you know? I like the goofy guy. He's a fun guy. He really is. But there, you know, I'm not going to split atoms or cure cancer, but there is a certain amount of intellect here. I know how to do, I know how to fix a prolapsed uterus on a cow. Nobody in this building can do that.

• 57:40Dan Harris?

  I guarantee.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Well, that makes me pretty smart.

• 57:42Dan Harris?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  So there you go. Probably shouldn't have said that.

• 57:48Dan Harris?

  You did a great job of this. Thank you very much.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 57:50Dan Harris?

  This is awesome.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thanks, Dan.

• 57:53Dan Harris?

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