Is Your Ambition Rooted in Trauma? | Christiane Wolf

What if the very thing you think is blocking your progress in meditation — or in life — is actually the doorway forward? In this conversation with Dr. Christiane Wolf, hosted by DJ Cashmere, we explore how to work with expectations, frustration, and the belief that life needs to be different before we can be okay. Christiane shares clear, compassionate wisdom for turning toward difficulty instead of fighting it — and for discovering that what feels like the problem can become the path. Christiane is a physician, longtime meditation teacher, and author of Outsmart Your Pain and A Clinician's Guide to Teaching Mindfulness. She's known for blending deep Buddhist insight with warmth and humor. We're also thrilled to share that Christiane will be our Teacher of the Month for November, leading meditations and conversations throughout the month in the DanHarris.com http://danharris.com/ Substack community. Related Episodes: Peak Performance at Any Age | Christiane Wolf (Dharma Teacher/Doctor/Ultramarathoner) https://www.danharris.com/p/peak-performance-at-any-age-christiane?r=4o5o&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false How to Outsmart Your Pain | Christiane Wolf https://www.danharris.com/p/how-to-outsmart-your-pain-christiane-3b6?r=4o5o&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false Tickets are now on sale for a special live taping of the 10% Happier Podcast with guest Pete Holmes! Join us on November 18th in NYC for this benefit show, with all proceeds supporting the New York Insight Meditation Center. Grab your tickets here https://www.nyimc.org/event/great-cosmic-joke/! Tickets are now available for an intimate live event with Dan on November 23rd as part of the Troutbeck Luminary Series. Join the conversation, participate in a guided meditation, and ask your questions during the Q&A. Click here https://troutbeck.com/culture/luminaries-series-conversation-meditation-with-dan-harris-2025/ to buy your ticket! Join Dan's online community here http://www.danharris.com/ Follow Dan on social: Instagram https://bit.ly/3tGigG5, TikTok https://bit.ly/3FOA84J Subscribe to our YouTube Channel https://bit.ly/3FybRzD To advertise on the show, contact [email protected] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/10HappierwithDanHarris Thanks to today's sponsor: Airbnb: Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.com/host http://airbnb.com/host.

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• 0:04Dan Harris?

  This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

• 0:19Dan Harris?

  Happy Sunday, everybody. Here's a provocative question for you. What drives you? This is such a crucial question. I don't think enough of us ask ourselves this question. For many of us, though, if we pay attention, we may find that our fuel is fear, or self-loathing, or some kind of inner coercion. However, it is possible to change that. Today, we're going to hear from a very driven person, Kristiana Wolf. She's a medical doctor, a Dharma teacher, and an ultra marathoner. She's been on this show several times, so you may be familiar with her. If you are, you may be happy to hear that she is our Teacher of the Month over on danharris.com for the month of November. That means she will be crafting guided meditations to go along with all of our Monday/Wed episodes.

• 1:03Dan Harris?

  She'll also be doing some weekly live meditation and Q&A sessions, which we do every Tuesday at 4 Eastern. This stuff is all available to paying subscribers over at danharris.com, so you should sign up and join the party. One other thing to say before we dive in with Kristiana Wolf. Very quickly, if you want to meditate with me in real life, I've got a live taping of this podcast coming up on November 18 in New York City. My guest will be the comedian Pete Holmes, who's a dedicated meditator, a very thoughtful dude. We will also do some meditation before we start chopping it up. This is a benefit for the New York Insight Meditation Center. Go to the link in the show notes and sign up and join us. Okay, after the break, you're going to hear Kristiana Wolf

• 1:45Dan Harris?

  in conversation with the executive producer of this show, DJ Cashmere.

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• 2:50Speaker 03

  Cristiano Wolf, welcome back to the show.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thanks for having me back.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  So happy to have you back. I would love to hear the story of how you got to where you are now. What made you into a meditation teacher?

• 3:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a very long story. And I just want to start with that growing up. It never crossed my mind I could be a meditation teacher. I didn't even know something like that existed. And so it's this curious thing that I turned from being so engaged in becoming a physician for so many years. So I knew I wanted to be a physician when I was 15. So it was not just like a whim of, oh, I don't know what to do with my life. And of course, spent a lot of time going like to medical school, going through my residency. And so for me, it's just this, honestly, still to this day, this weirdest thing that I'm not working officially in medicine anymore, but I do this full-time and I love doing

• 3:49Speaker 04

  this full-time. Yeah, and so my mind still tries to wrap itself around this change. And what's really interesting for me, it is still has to do with healing. Yeah, it still has to do with being more peaceful, being more content. Because for me, those are all qualities of what I would call healing.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  So even though you're not practicing medicine anymore, there's more overlap than one might imagine.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  There's actually a surprising amount of overlap. And for me in particular, because I work a lot with people with chronic pain and chronic illness, that just made a lot of sense for me to, because I understand that not from a patient's side so much, but really from a practitioner's side. And then if we're thinking about like really what the teachings are at the core or what the Buddha taught, like the Buddha was often called like the first physician when he established what he called the Four Noble Truths, which is really getting out of our, increasing our own suffering by how we relate to things. And how, really, and this is like where I'm really interested in is how our body really responds to,

• 5:03Speaker 04

  how are we relating to things? Are we worried about things? Are we in resistance against how things are? And so this is right at the core of all the practices really that we're doing.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  That idea of the Buddha as the first physician, is part of that, that the Four Noble Truths are almost a sort of prescription? There's a cause of suffering, here's what it is, here's what to do, yeah?

• 5:28Speaker 04

  Exactly. Healing is possible, that's what the message of the Buddha was. He didn't call it healing, but he called it like peace is possible, or liberation is possible. And so for me, language is really important. And to also be very aware that we're working with translation. And because English is not my first language, so I'm very aware of the meaning or associations of different words. And how much just like what has been translated to us from Pali into English, how that has been shaped by how the English language was shaped. Which then, like a lot of that was like then from English translated into German.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  And then now being on that end, seeing like, okay, so where did that actually come from? And what was added in the process?

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Maybe I'm reading into this a little bit, but in that first noble truth that there is dukkha, right? Dukkha has lots of different English translations. Suffering is one of them, but it's not the only one.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  Are you pointing to something there in the notion that maybe just at that most fundamental level, we're sometimes missing something with how we talk about that?

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, often people are really confused about when the Buddha said there's suffering, there's dukkha. And dukkha is translated as either suffering or pain. They get really confused that the Buddha says, oh, there's an end to dukkha, meaning there's an end to suffering or pain. And people go, that's impossible, right? That's impossible because we get old, we get sick, we will die. The people we love will go through that same process. How is that being possible that we're not suffering, we're not? How can we get out of this without getting kala, right? And without closing our heart? And so for me, I was very puzzled about that for a really long time to what does the Buddha actually mean by like the cessation of suffering?

• 7:19Speaker 04

  And then what's really interesting for me is so, again, like coming back because I work so much with people with chronic pain, physical pain, but this applies really to everything, is this awesome equation that the meditation teacher Shinzen Young coined. He was very much into math and physics, but it made so much sense to me. So he coined this formula that he said, suffering equals pain times resistance. And that made so much sense to me because that is so commonsensical. And so first of all, what we have to say, so like here we have pain as a constant, but pain is not the same as suffering. Yeah, but often in everyday language, we use it in the same way. And so people get really confused.

• 8:04Speaker 04

  But we were saying like, okay, so pain is part of life. And I will often ask people like, and I can ask you here, is that your experience that when there's something painful and you really resist it or you really worry about it? What happens to your overall suffering?

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, significant increase.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, no kidding. And we know this in our own experience. And then there's a situation where maybe the same pain, for whatever reason, we just don't worry so much about it or we're not so much in resistance. What happens to our suffering?

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, decrease.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  Close down.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  Isn't that amazing?

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  And then even to the point where like, because it's a math formula, we could just... Push it a little bit further and say, so what happens in this equation when there's zero suffering or resistance? What happens to suffering?

• 8:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  Well, I know if you multiply something by zero.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  Right, right, right? Yeah. So, suffering is zero. And then people go like, wait a second. And then, ah, so anybody can give me an example of in a situation where there was pain, but no suffering. And I always get answers.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  People will say like, oh, I did a really big workout and I'm really sore. So that's quite painful, but no suffering, because I'm actually proud I did that workout.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. Or women will often say there were moments during childbirth where the pain was excruciating. But I was so excited because I knew I was going to have my baby soon. And then so just so what it does, it loosens up our ideas about pain and suffering. And for me, that is like a really beautiful way how we can work with that to come back like that first noble truth.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  So the pain is inevitable, but the suffering is optional, and the key is to reduce the resistance as close to zero as we can.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  Exactly. And this phrase, so when I work with people with chronic pain and I say that, they're often insulted.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  I imagine, yeah. Blaming the victim.

• 10:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. That's not how that works. So for me, that equation, which in a way says something similar, but that is just seems to lend more. So that's just something that I've learned teaching and people go like, get away with that phrase. Suffering is optional.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. You referenced childbirth. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe you started your career as a gynecologist in Berlin and then you took a fateful maternity leave trip to LA that kind of changed the course of your entire life. Am I on track here?

• 10:53Speaker 04

  You're totally on track, yes. So that was my husband's idea. I didn't want to immigrate, leave my job or anything, but I was on maternity leave. My husband always wanted to be abroad in the US for a year. He got a job in LA. He was not interested in LA. The least And I said, okay, I'll go for a year. I was on maternity leave with our oldest daughter. And one year became two, became three. And so this oldest daughter, she'll be twenty three in January. So we've been here twenty two years. Yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  I'm sure you get this a lot, but I find myself just slightly distracted in hearing this story by the year-long maternity leave. The generosity of the German people.

• 11:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have to say, so it was not twenty two years maternity leave. But I have to say, what gave me my plan B was for many years, if this doesn't work out, I go back. Because they kept my job for three years per child. And I have three children, which is like such a privilege, really. So I had, or we had the option for nine years. We could have just gone back to Berlin and I could have just plucked Ryan back into my work, but I didn't.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  That is just so wild.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  I know, as an American, I know, I know.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, just watching my wife go through having our two kids recently and yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, but so you land in LA. Sounds like you're open but skeptical to being there in the first place, let alone staying. And I believe you meet Trudy Goodman, Dharma teacher, who was actually on the show just a few weeks back. Can you say a little about that fateful meeting?

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, honestly, that felt a little bit fateful to me in retrospect. So one of the conditions, I told my husband, okay, I'll go to a country and a place where I don't know anybody, where I'll be just by myself with a newborn. I was like, felt very weird about being a new mom. But I'll go if I find a meditation group. Because I knew that community Sangha was just something that I needed to keep my practice going. Especially when things were so up in the air everywhere. I Googled meditation groups in my tradition in Los Angeles. And what was very interesting, I, on the Spirit Rock website, that's my tradition, the Pasana, so the inside meditation tradition.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  And they had just featured a teacher. Who was back then still in training herself. She was a Zen teacher before, but she did the teacher training with Jack Kornfield, who she later married, way later married. But they featured her on the website and said, Trudy Goodman just started a sitting group, a practice group, weekly practice group in Los Angeles. And so I knew, okay, so there's a place for me to land with my practice. And I think the second week we were in L.A., I went to Trudy's Sitting Group. And we kind of joke, and the rest is history. So Trudy just had started Inside L.A., the organization that we grew into something really amazing over the years, just a few months earlier.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  So the Sitting Group was just a handful of people back then. And Inside L.A. was just Trudy and a handful of people. Yeah, and for me, needing like a purpose, other than just taking care of my daughter, which of course was wonderful, but if you take like, somebody like me, overachiever, and you just pull her out of work, so there's just a lot of extra energy. And I put that into growing Inside L.A. So the amazing thing about Trudy, what was really important for me, which I really hadn't noticed before so much, is how much I needed a female teacher. The group I practiced with before in Berlin, so there were mainly male teachers.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  And the focus was very much on, so you either become a monastic, or if you're not dedicated enough to be a monastic, you should at least be single and have no children. Or if you need to have a partner, then at least don't have children. I mean, that was not so explicit, but that was very clear in how the leaders were leading, living their lives. And so for me to come to L.A. and then meet Trudy, who was a trained psychotherapist, who was a trained Buddhist teacher, who was a mother, a single mother for a really long time, and who was just living all of that, which, where I just found myself, that

• 15:34Speaker 04

  was so important for me to have a living example of this is doable. Yeah, and I know that for many people that work with me, I'm that example now, which is really beautiful.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  That resonates really strongly with me. I often hear teachers on the show talking about how this Buddhist tradition was held largely by monastics over thousands of years, and that this idea of ordained lay teachers who are householders and living lives as spouses, parents, etc., is in some ways a bit of an experiment that's still being worked out. I can remember just a few years ago, being on a retreat and asking a pretty respected teacher in this same, in the insight tradition that you're talking about, basically like, "How far can I go on this path with two little kids at home?" Actually, I might have had

• 16:32Speaker 03

  just one at the time, I have two now, but it's all a blur. But either way, he's sort of said something like, "Oh, you know, you can come back in 18 years." That answer didn't work for me. I'm one of those people, I think, who's looking for people like you to look to. Okay, you meet Trudy, you start building out this group, you jokingly referenced your status as an overachiever. I believe you have a PhD and MD and you're an ultramarathoner on top of being a revered Dharma teacher. After all these years of practice, all these years of teaching, do you have any insight to share around those of us who also identify

• 17:16Speaker 03

  as overachievers? Like, how you hold that ambition alongside the practice, which is so much, you know, ambition can be so much about striving and clinging, and the practice is, at least on the surface, seems like it's so much about letting go. How do you live in that tension?

• 17:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have to say, it is still, like, really letting go and surrendering is still hard for me to this day. I think that's probably my main practice, but something that I have been realizing more and more over the years is, so of course, I'm very proud of the things that I have achieved, but I'm really understanding more on a practical cellular level, how much of that, in my case, is actually driven by a trauma response.

• 18:06Speaker 04

  Like a survival response of I need to prove that I'm worthy. I need to prove that I'm lovable. I need to prove that I'm worth keeping. It's just interesting to consider that. And then with all the practices that I'm doing, and I'm not just doing meditation, because that was just something, at least the way that it was taught, was not sufficient for me to get that close to how I'm structured or how I'm built. Yeah, it's just very curious to see that loosen more. The drive is different. And obviously, I still have a lot of drive,

• 18:49Speaker 04

  but it's not as, um, what's the word? I'm looking for the coercion, the inner coercion has changed. And that actually feels really good. Yeah, so I really wasn't aware for a long time how little room of flexibility I had. And I would talk a lot about we're practicing to be more flexible with these teachings. That's a lot like what the outcome is. I did not have a lot of flexibility around achieving. There was no option. Yeah, so there was never an option of, oh, maybe if I work hard enough, I'll become a physician. It was just like, oh, no, I'll become a physician. Oh, no, I'll do a PhD. Oh, no, I'll, I write a book.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  Do you know that amount of rigidity in that? Yes, great for the outcome, but also not a lot of ease. Let's just put it that way.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  As that grip loosens, have you found a different way to? I guess when I hear you say there wasn't a lot of ease, I think what I'm hearing, correct me if I'm wrong, is that that's shifted for you over the last however many years, that more ease and less tightness. As that has happened, are you still ambitious? Does achieving things mean something different to you now?

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's interesting. And I ask myself that a lot, right? Where like I have that conversation with people, like say with ultra running, for example, you do something that's really hard. You don't have to do that. I pay for that, right? Whereas sometimes I have that when I run, I think, you're paying for this. This is quite crazy.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  So sixty miles and then you go like, why am I doing that to myself? But there is something. So what I found really is, and again, I'm in process with that. But what I found is when we're doing this, coming back to the term healing work over time, like slow and steady, that at least I'm not like a explosive, like opening person. Most people are not. Some people are that way. I'm not. Most people are just slow and steady. But what I find is that I'm actually, through the healing work, I'm freeing up frozen energy in my system. And that frozen energy turns into a very nice driver. Very different driver, but still a driver, if that makes sense.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  So it's just something, it's like a level of energy. And often people actually share that, like when they do healing work or they do therapy work and something is releasing, that people say, oh, I have more energy. Yeah, I'm more awake. I can do more things. And so there seems to be something for a lot of people in that process. So you get that frozen up energy, that trauma has frozen up in our system, you get that back. And then together, of course, with the practices, also the inside meditation practice, it makes you so much happier and joyful. So yeah, I still like to do a lot of things. And I get, I'm very enthusiastic and passionate about things. But again, the driving force behind that is different.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  I feel like I'm hearing at least two really helpful things in that answer. I just want to try to reflect them back and see if this lands for you. So the first one is, when I hear you talking about this drive for achievement and how it has its roots in trauma that you might have experienced early in your life. It has its roots in a sort of survival response. It's just interesting for me to hear that. In the tone that you were speaking about it in, which was very nonjudgmental, at least what I was receiving on like a vibe level. There was no sense of heaviness or blaming or shaming.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  It was just this observation like, oh, this is where this comes from. But there was like a neutrality there or a peace with it. And yeah, let me just pause there. Does that part of it land?

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I, let me tell you, that is hard earned.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Right? So I did not start out that way. I started out like being very angry, upset, disappointed with some of the circumstances that I was raised, right? As many people are, but I didn't want to be stuck there.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that, that lands for sure.

• 23:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  So you started to unpack the roots of these behaviors. Looking at that was not simple, was not without pain, was not without suffering. But you've worked through it in such a way where you're now more at peace with these sort of origins.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. And it's also in something, so what's really important for me, or was very important for me is really, so I said, like, it's not just been mindfulness and compassion, but mindfulness and compassion have always been there. So I started meditating as a teenager, like when I finished high school. So I've been doing this for a really long time. And I have to say, I would not have wanted to do it without those tools. Yeah, because what we're learning, so what you're noticing is what we call equanimity. Yeah. And equanimity is something, and part of this is how things are, coming to terms with things and how things were, and not taking them so personally.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Because so that is also like part of that work. I see like, oh, yes, those were the conditions, like my parents couldn't do it otherwise. You know, they did the best they could. Given their history, their trauma. So I moved away from just the blaming or being the victim, or you did that to me. Yeah. Or I would have needed something else. And I know this is so true for so many people, but it's a process. We cannot start out by saying, oh, I want to be just so equanimous about this. And then, yeah, good luck with that.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  Sure, no, absolutely. So it sounds like, yeah, the mindfulness, meditation, cultivating compassion. These were crucial building blocks in this work. They certainly weren't the only thing. There are other kind of therapeutic modalities and yeah.

• 25:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just like when I talk about some of those things, then you notice that in how I was speaking about that. It's really more like, no, that's what happened. And I wish it didn't. And at this point now, it's okay. I couldn't really see for a long time. I just had this feeling of like, oh, if that didn't happen, I would be happier. I would be not so driven, not so neurotic, not so, I mean, fill in the blanks, right? But now I really realize, and this is something, that's a long process. I mean, I would never say that to a person that is starting out, or I would never say that to a person, period.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  It's just, it also made me into who I am. I wouldn't be here if that hadn't happened. Yeah, and if you would have told me that 30 years ago, I would have slapped you. You know?

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Right, it's right, right. Time and a place, yeah, yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  I want to go back. There's one other thing that you said earlier that I just wanted to go back to before we wrap up here, which was, you talked about how letting go of some of this clinging.

• 26:22Speaker 03

  And tightness around achievement and sort of unwinding some of that. Maybe putting down some of these notions that you only matter or you're only worthy if you've accomplished XYZ thing. You talked about how that actually hasn't made you less ambitious. Instead, it's freed up new kinds of energy and they feel like healthier kinds of energy. Dan on the show often talks about a cleaner burning fuel. And I just, yeah, I just wanted to highlight that one particular piece because it really resonated with me. And it feels really good to know that if we work through some of those things that, you know, that it doesn't just mean that we stop caring about the world or stop being who we are, but instead it's a healthier version is maybe on offer.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  A healthier version is on offer for sure. And I also have to say I'm looking at some of the things that I used to do. The amount of daily work that I put in of just, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm done with that because that was guided a lot by this inner driver of this feeling. I'm whatever I do, it's not good enough. I can never work enough. And that actually feels really healthy. So I really, I work less and I have immediately a part that comes up saying, don't say that out loud.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  She's still here. She's still here. She's still listening. But there's just something, there is really like when I said, there's more ease in my system. So it feels like, so what I'm learning is I'm learning to rest and to take breaks and to just be offline and off in nature. And I don't really care about my social media feed during that time. And it's so deeply nourishing. And then I come back and then I'm really ready to fully engage again. But that feels healthier than like before it was just like, I had to be on all the time. And then of course, raising three children on top of that. It was exhausting. It was really exhausting.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  Before I let you go, we have a lot of exhausted folks in our sort of virtual worldwide Sangha, myself included, who are gonna have you in their ears with them on the cushion, or as they do walking meditation, or what have you, starting tomorrow. So I just wanted to give you an opportunity, real quick, if there's anything you wanted to say or share about these meditations that you're offering, what people can look forward to over the next four weeks as you guide their practice, in two ways, right? So you'll be dropping guided meditations every Monday and Wednesday, and then we'll also be doing live sits on Tuesday. So yeah, anything you want to share about that?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Yes, the one thing I would feel is really important is, so I really wish for everybody that the driver for meditation really becomes something that feels nourishing and supportive. I wish for everybody, at some point, becomes a non-negotiable. Like, it is a non-negotiable for me in the morning to meditate. And I also have to say, I personally don't listen to guided meditations. But what I do is, I love instructions for how to work with my mind. So the guided meditations that we have recorded, and that will drop, there are a lot of them, they have a concept in them that is really helpful to practice in a meditation setting.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  We actually call that more reflection than a meditation. So where we get into like a contemplative, open, calm space, and then we work with something. We look at thinking, or we look at the amount of effort that we use, or we, yes, or something like that. And we can do that in a meditation, and we can listen to that over and over, just as a way, so we practice, we do almost like dry practice with it. But what's really important for me is to remind people that it's about your life. These things are not just showing up in meditation, but we're training something, so that when it then shows up during your day, you go like, oh, here we go.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  And I know what to do. So that's really my intention.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Love it. Thank you so much for doing it, and look forward to practicing with you this month.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thank you for your awesome questions. Love that. Thanks. Thank you.

• 30:53Dan Harris?

  Thank you to Christiana and DJ. Great job, both of you. Don't forget, if you sign up at danharris.com, you will get guided meditations throughout the month of November that come with all of our Monday, Wednesday episodes. Christiana will be guiding those, and she'll be participating in some of our weekly live meditation and Q and A sessions. Our next one is November 4th at 4:00 PM. I'll be doing that one solo. Last thing to remind you of is the live event I'll be doing in New York City on the 18th of November with Pete Holmes. There's a link in the show notes. Finally, thank you to everybody who worked so hard to make this show. Our producers are Tara Anderson and Eleanor Vasili. Our recording and engineering is handled by the great folks over at Pod People. Lauren Smith

• 31:37Dan Harris?

  is our managing producer. Marissa Schneiderman is our senior producer. DJ Cashmere is our executive producer, and Nick Thorburn of the band Islands wrote our theme.

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