The Old Money Tree Murders w/ Frankie Quiñones

CONgregation, get excited for a fresh new episode featuring a brand-new game: Is It a Scam, a Scheme, or the Real Thing? In today’s episode, Laci is joined by stand-up comedian and actor Frankie Quiñones (This Fool, Creeper’s CholoFit) to unpack the drama between wealthy families in Maine after one allegedly poisoned an L. L. Bean heiress’s trees just to snag a better waterfront view. Yes, really. And yes, it’s tearing the community apart. Plus, in Scammer of the Week: Ghana’s self-proclaimed prophet Ebo Noah has announced that the flood has been postponed indefinitely… but he’s still very thankful for all the generous donations toward his “arks.” Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Scam Goddess LIVE in a city near you. Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Frankie Quiñones: @frankiequinones Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/llbean-heiress-poisoned-trees-maine?srsltid=AfmBOoohFnIc_DuC6wg7zdUcmoDttxa4CTtiQTP6nPp5s53wCH20UzE8 https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/us/trees-poison.html https://www.npr.org/2024/06/19/nx-s1-5011566/maine-poisoned-trees-killer-view-missouri-couple-bond https://www.espn.com/college-football/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=6132246 https://www.timesnownews.com/world/world-ending-on-december-25-viral-ghanaian-prophet-ebo-noah-builds-modern-noahs-ark-for-doomsday-article-153344658 https://theobserverzim.co.zw/2025/12/26/ghana-prophet-who-said-the-world-is-ending-on-25-december-2025-through-floods-buys-a-mercedes-benz-using-funds-which-were-donated-by-church-members-to-build-an-ark/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/did-a-couple-kill-a-neighbors-trees-for-a-better-view-in-maine/#:~:text=Dead%20trees%20dot%20the%20sightline,The%20New%20York%20Times)%20More

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• 2:47Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with you. And the podcast, all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But what's guaranteed is that we will laugh at them, but never the victims. Because this is still a comedy podcast. Congregation, go ahead and stand up. We have, we have a member of the congregation returning to service on high holiday. Okay? You know, that's when people like to come back, it's when it's time to worship and, you know, and then the church is very crowded and we got overflow. But I love, I love a bedside scammer. Yes. So you know him from his role as Creeper in the Cholo Fitzsketch Comedy Web series,

• 3:27Laci Mosley?

  and from his lead role in Hulu's This Fool, which, such an amazing comedy show. You've heard his voice as Maria Tarisa on the Cartoon Network series Victor and Valentino. You've also seen him in St. Dennis Medical, which is so funny. What We Do in the Shadows, and his latest project, Plant Man and Blondie: A Dress-Up Gang Film. Yes, congregation, please stand up. I know, I know it's hard to clap right now because the church is full, but y'all get up and y'all clap and welcome back this amazing, funny fool, Frankie Canionis.

• 4:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, what's up?

• 4:01Laci Mosley?

  Frankie!

• 4:02Speaker 07

  What's up, Lacey? Thanks for having me back.

• 4:04Laci Mosley?

  What's up, fool? I think it's very funny that the first, first role was Creeper, but I was like, uh, This Fool.

• 4:13Laci Mosley?

  No, it's so good to see you again.

• 4:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, good to see you too.

• 4:15Laci Mosley?

  And the OG listeners, if y'all remember, you'll remember during the pandemic, me and Frankie did a very fun episode about his scams and schemes. You can go back and listen to that.

• 4:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 4:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 4:25Speaker 07

  I know, it's all coming back to me now, now that we're sitting here, I'm like, oh shit.

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, it was wild, but it was fun.

• 4:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:31Laci Mosley?

  Now Frankie, you know, we do things a little different these days. And I want to get your expert opinion on a few things. So this segment is called, is it a scam? Is it a scheme? Or is it a real thing? So these are just your opinions, there are no wrong answers.

• 4:47Speaker 07

  Alright, let's do it.

• 4:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So the first one I have for you, is it a scam? Is it a scheme? Is it a real thing? Uber, priority deliveries. Like Uber Eats priority delivery. Or like Postmates priority delivery. Any dating, honestly, I am dating food apps. That's the app I'm on. We have a better relationship than anybody else. But like, so on any food delivery app, do you think like hitting that extra $2.99, whatever, $1.99, $2.99 for priority delivery? Do you think that's a scam, a scheme, or a real thing?

• 5:19Speaker 07

  I think it's a, it's a scheme. But, well, the thing is, I'll gamble that sometimes. I won't pay for priority. And then they will make other stops. And I'm like, damn, you know? But it's like a gamble, you know, for me. But then, you know, when I pay it, they always do come right to me. So I don't know. I don't know. I do feel like I'm getting scammed, but then it's like, I don't want cold, you know, food either. So it's like.

• 5:41Laci Mosley?

  Right. But also like, that should be a part of it, no matter what. Like, you used to order food directly from the place that made the food. And they weren't like, now, do you want us to drop it off hot or cold? No, obviously, why I gotta pay for things that used to just be a thing?

• 5:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, right. It was already like that before, so I don't know. Sometimes, and if the spot is close, I'll get really pissed off though. Sometimes the spot's close to my pad. And then I'll be like, well, I'm not gonna pay for priority, because obviously, they're gonna come here first. And then they don't, if I don't pay for priority, they're like, nah, let's send them over here.

• 6:12Laci Mosley?

  They're like, being around the world.

• 6:13Speaker 07

  He didn't pay for the priority. Been around the world and I'm like, and I'll be like obsessed, I'm watching the little homie on the app.

• 6:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you'll be watching.

• 6:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, he's going there, huh?

• 6:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, see, I look at the time. So you, the way that your eye, your brain is working is fascinating to me because I'm like, okay, if it's supposed to come at this time, if I pay for priority, the time window is like, what, three minutes fast or five minutes faster? I'm like, oh, fuck that, they gonna come at this time anyway. I never thought like to look at the app. Like I was following them.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  And be like, they better not be making no stops.

• 6:50Laci Mosley?

  It's a left at my house. Hell, you going to?

• 6:54Speaker 07

  I know, I spent so much time like stalking that poor homie driver or whatever.

• 6:58Laci Mosley?

  You're like, why you on the 101? I don't need to be on the 101.

• 7:01Speaker 07

  I'm like, I could've just went and picked it up myself the time I'm investing in this.

• 7:04Laci Mosley?

  Right. But it be that way. Sometimes when you in the house, you be in the house.

• 7:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't know about other people, but like, when I get in the house, there's a certain amount of things that I do. If the shoes are off, the fit is off, the makeup off, whatever it is, like, I'm not going outside.

• 7:17Speaker 07

  I'm just like, I don't want to deal with the parking, this and that, just yeah, yeah, just bring it to me, homie, but I'm gonna stalk you on that, on the app.

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  I never thought about that. Maybe that's a good litmus test because I, okay, Liam Neeson.

• 7:33Laci Mosley?

  So I got a special set of skills. What I do know is my burrito bowl better be dropped off first.

• 7:37Speaker 08

  I pay for priority service, I will find you.

• 7:41Laci Mosley?

  Finding you is my priority. You thought it was just priority for me, it's priority for you too. Cause looking at you is my priority. I'ma know where you at. I never thought about it like that. No, I just look at the time. That's why I say it's a scheme too because people that I know who've worked for Uber and different little deep dives I've done, they were like, sometimes like, especially depending on how much you order, like that, that priority service, like they're like hoping you hit that button for extra coin, but she was gonna get it at the same time anyway.

• 8:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't, does a driver get, cause you know, back in the day, I did like DoorDash and so I'm real like, you know, I always tried to tip well and stuff like that. Cause I remember when I was on my grind, when people wouldn't tip or you're like, oh, you know, you're like banking on that, want me to have like a good day, but, but yeah, yeah.

• 8:24Laci Mosley?

  I tip too because like, well, I tip period. I was always gonna tip, but I try to leave a good tip because I need you to get in the elevator that's unlocked and come to my door. So I'm paying for that extra time to do that. Cause it's, but if you flew it outside, we got an issue.

• 8:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I live upstairs too, and if they don't bring it to the top of the stairs, it's like, oh, come on, homie. You know what I mean?

• 8:45Laci Mosley?

  And in this economy, I'm trying not to take away people tips with like, don't piss me off.

• 8:51Speaker 07

  Do the drivers get a piece of the priority fee though?

• 8:54Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 8:55Speaker 07

  See, that's what I'm like, ah.

• 8:57Laci Mosley?

  No, you know they barely getting a piece of their wages.

• 8:59Speaker 07

  I know, I know.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  That's why DoorDash had that settlement. I worked for DoorDash for one day and I did get $10 from the settlement.

• 9:06Speaker 07

  Damn, congratulations.

• 9:07Laci Mosley?

  They stole my wages. I did one Taco Bell delivery and I said, this is not.

• 9:10Speaker 07

  And you got $10 for that, damn.

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I got $10. I was like, this is not for me. And I shouldn't know because at the time, like, it was very much giving scam energy. Because when I signed up for DoorDash to do a drive, like be a driver, I just moved to LA. And I was like in my early twenties and I went to the DoorDash signup and it was at this address. And I'm like, oh, okay, this must be their headquarters or whatever. Why would we get there? It's like an emptied out storefront. They got one table. It definitely looked like it was from Walmart. It was like, you know, the picnic or like that. You know, when you having a play.

• 9:40Speaker 07

  A Walmart table.

• 9:41Laci Mosley?

  You know, when you having a birthday party for a niece with the family outside at a public park? And then y'all go get a table and it's that plastic table.

• 9:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the whatever one.

• 9:51Laci Mosley?

  The metal frames that you could fold up and slide back in the car.

• 9:52Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's what they had. No, no tablecloth and nothing, no DoorDash emblem. They had food warming bags on the table and then you sat in a room and they had like a projector screen. Like, you know, the ones you can get on the internet and they projected it onto a white wall to like give us the spiel.

• 10:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:08Laci Mosley?

  And then they gave us a DoorDash card and the DoorDash bag and sent us on our way.

• 10:11Speaker 07

  Wow. Yeah, I remember, man. I was grateful that that came out though, because I kept getting fired from my restaurant jobs. Because I kept requesting.

• 10:18Laci Mosley?

  What does that have to do with DoorDash?

• 10:22Speaker 07

  Well, because then I was able to DoorDash, you know, you make your own schedule and I didn't have to get fired, but.

• 10:26Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 10:27Speaker 07

  But I had to go, I had like a previous like DUI and all this. I had to go to like pay to get it expunged just so I could do DoorDash, you know?

• 10:35Laci Mosley?

  So we both agree. It's, it's, it's a bit of a scheme. So next one, scam scheme or real thing? Uh, the environmentalist might get on you for this one, but, um, paper straws.

• 10:48Speaker 07

  Ah, man.

• 10:49Laci Mosley?

  It's so stressful. I know. And it's been around for so long and they still stress me. What, what do you think?

• 10:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, because man, you know, I get it. The earth, well, you know, they have the vegetable oil straws. Yeah, I think that's what In-N-Out uses.

• 11:01Laci Mosley?

  Are those the brown ones?

• 11:02Speaker 07

  They're, well, they, they're like normal plastic straws, but they're made out of like.

• 11:05Laci Mosley?

  But shit, but if you bend them, they crack.

• 11:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, but the, but the paper ones, they don't.

• 11:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they get limp in your mouth.

• 11:12Speaker 07

  They get limpy and soggy. They get soggy quick. And it's like, you don't wanna be sucking on that soggy little stick. It feels nasty, but.

• 11:21Laci Mosley?

  But I'm like, are we really doing?

• 11:23Speaker 07

  But is it really doing anything? Yeah, exactly.

• 11:25Laci Mosley?

  I just think about how billionaires are destroying the planet and now we have so many new wars.

• 11:29Speaker 07

  And who, I feel like.

• 11:30Laci Mosley?

  Is my paper straw combating drone strikes?

• 11:33Speaker 07

  Exact, yeah, exactly. I think somebody, the paper straw homie, made a deal with some politicians and was like, no, here's how we're gonna do this and then we're gonna make some money off some paper straws.

• 11:42Laci Mosley?

  The paper straw homie? Now just imagine the paper straw lobbyist. He shows up like brum man to Capitol Hill. He's like opens his coat and there's so many. He's like, y'all get onto these paper straws, okay? They cheaper, we make people feel bad, we get them in restaurants, we get them everywhere.

• 11:58Speaker 07

  We're gonna make bank, homie. We're gonna make bank, yeah.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, maybe we just need to make straws like chapstick. You get one in your car, you got one at home. And like, like a metal straw. You got one in your car, you got one at home, and you gotta travel one.

• 12:11Speaker 07

  Keep one on a keychain, yeah.

• 12:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, on a keychain and then you pop that out for the restaurants. Maybe that's the real way to save the planet. But I just, I really just think paper straws are, I think they're, I'm gonna say scheme, cuz like, I don't, I wanna help the planet. But you know, there was that one turtle that had a straw in its nose and we've been paying for that bitch ever since.

• 12:30Speaker 07

  That one turtle is a cocaine addict, you see?

• 12:33Laci Mosley?

  And look, so this is the straw that you were talking about, the biodegradable, like I knew it was brown. Yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 07

  Oh, no. Yeah, but they're, it's hard though, right? Yeah.

• 12:41Laci Mosley?

  So these are the hard ones, so the biodegradable.

• 12:43Speaker 07

  Crack easily, yeah.

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  Boba straw, okay.

• 12:46Speaker 09

  They just don't look appetizing. Like, I don't wanna drink of orange Fanta out of this.

• 12:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, personally, Jess, I don't wanna eat the straw. Well, like, I don't even wanna put it in my drink.

• 12:55Speaker 07

  It's funny you're so specific with the orange Fanta, like. You drink that out of a straw?

• 13:00Speaker 09

  It's important.

• 13:02Laci Mosley?

  She's like, this is my relaxation activity when I get home. Look what you mean. What a fun time, don't you wonder? Yes, okay, I, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say scheme on Capitol Hill, but we'll say, I guess.

• 13:19Laci Mosley?

  Scam scheme or real thing? Last one here. Paying VIP for dating apps. So like, you know, you can do, use a dating app for free, but paying VIP for premium dating apps. You think that's a scam, a scheme, or a real thing?

• 13:32Speaker 07

  Oh, man. I don't know. I've been, you know, I've been involved in that.

• 13:38Laci Mosley?

  You say it like it's crime. I've been involved in that. It's a dating app.

• 13:42Speaker 07

  It doesn't, it didn't work out for me. I'm like, it just feel like a waste of time, but like, just to get more swipes, you know? When you being all thirsty, like, I'm lonely right now, homie. I need more swipes.

• 13:51Laci Mosley?

  I need premium swipes.

• 13:53Speaker 07

  So I mean, you do get more swipes, but, but yeah, I think it's a scheme.

• 13:58Laci Mosley?

  I think it's a scheme too, almost in a way of like Uber, where it used to just be like ordering your food and they bring you your food. Then they realized like an out of fee by being like, well, we could bring you your food directly. Or you can wait till it gets cold, you raggedy bitch.

• 14:14Speaker 07

  I know.

• 14:14Laci Mosley?

  And now they're like, oh, we could show you everybody on the dating app right now. Uh, but we not gonna do that no more. We'll show you six uggos. If you wanna see everybody, you better give us, you better, you better give us this VIP fee, you horny lonely bitch.

• 14:31Speaker 07

  Like, we, we know you're lonely.

• 14:33Laci Mosley?

  Cause you all here scrolling with 11:00 PM. Who you think you gonna meet on 11:00 PM on Thursday with your lonely ass?

• 14:39Speaker 07

  You need more swipes.

• 14:43Laci Mosley?

  I think, I think it's a bit of a scheme.

• 14:45Speaker 07

  Oh, for sure. And I was a sucker to that. Like, yeah, you're right. I do need more swipes.

• 14:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. Listen, I've done it too. I was like, maybe if you do the premium, you need like, this is like having a matchmaker, but it's cheaper.

• 14:56Speaker 07

  I could swipe right on the one tonight if I just pay this fee.

• 14:59Laci Mosley?

  And then the algorithm's like, this is somebody we think you might like. And then I look and they're like,

• 15:06Laci Mosley?

  why would y'all think I like this person?

• 15:12Laci Mosley?

  In the hobby section, it said, "The dark." That's their hobby is the dark. What does that mean? What does that mean?

• 15:19Speaker 07

  The dark? This is your perfect match.

• 15:23Laci Mosley?

  I don't think so.

• 15:24Speaker 10

  I like the dark too, I guess.

• 15:26Laci Mosley?

  I guess, you know, it'd be, it's nighttime everywhere for everybody at some point. Like, they're like, "Lower your standards."

• 15:34Laci Mosley?

  They're like, "We got one for you." They are breathing.

• 15:36Speaker 07

  They walk, they breathe.

• 15:38Laci Mosley?

  Do you wanna go to coffee with breathing or not? You have thirty seconds.

• 15:42Speaker 07

  Coffee with breathing?

• 15:43Laci Mosley?

  Breathing is a hot commodity.

• 15:45Speaker 07

  Breathing is available on Thursday. What you got?

• 15:48Speaker 09

  Y'all think they have like, um, an algorithm for, you know, cuz you, you input all your information, right? And your hobbies and stuff. Do you guys think that those apps have an algorithm for like, bad dudes, like guys that are clearly red flags? That they're like, "Here are the free, free dudes that you can swipe on, and then pay us and we'll give you all the green flag dudes." Yeah.

• 16:10Speaker 07

  Whoa.

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 16:12Speaker 07

  I never thought about it like that.

• 16:13Laci Mosley?

  Like, VIP could be paying for more quality.

• 16:18Speaker 07

  I don't know. I feel like that'd be a lot of vetting.

• 16:21Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I don't know, because if you think about it, like on dating apps, you know, you're gonna see some things for certain. People talking about pineapple on pizza. People talking about tacos. People with photos of them fishing, you know? You're gonna get photos like, "I'm so sorry, like, please take this as a scam tip out there. If you are on a dating app, the first main profile picture, no matter who you are, no matter what you look like, should not be a group photo. Cuz what that tells me about you is that you don't feel confident. And also, who are you?

• 16:47Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 16:48Laci Mosley?

  Who are you in this photo? You're clearly not the fine one. If it's a fine one in there, you're not the fine one. Why you trying to scam me being fine adjacent? You at a wedding, it's, it's six motherfuckers in this photo. I know, I know the tall one with a good head of hair ain't you. Cuz if it was, you would've cropped them out.

• 17:02Speaker 07

  I'm fine adjacent though, though, true.

• 17:05Laci Mosley?

  Like, what you're telling me? I can hang out with you and then meet your friends and make me meet my soulmate? Cause then maybe we could talk, like?

• 17:12Speaker 07

  I do, I know, I get annoyed when the first picture's a group picture. I'm just, I always just swipe, I'm like, come on.

• 17:16Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, come on, what are you trying to do?

• 17:18Speaker 07

  You know, which one is it?

• 17:20Laci Mosley?

  Or also, there's a lot of men, I think, specifically men, who were attractive in the wild. And y'all just got bad lighting, bad camera angles. And honestly, I kinda love that a little bit because I'm like, okay, like, you know, but just, maybe just post pictures that other people take of you. Because them pictures be giving me, like, murderer, you know?

• 17:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, I always have, I have a homegirl, like, check my shit out, you know? And they have been like, no, what are you doing? Why this one, you know? And I'm like, ah shit, I don't know, you know?

• 17:47Laci Mosley?

  See, and that's what a smart, straight man does.

• 17:51Speaker 07

  Then I, cause I put my-

• 17:52Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cause the gay men, no, they know the angles, they know the lighting, they got everything. But like, the straight man be like, nah, here's me with a fish. And we're like, we don't- Like, please. Please be serious.

• 18:03Speaker 07

  17 pound bass right here, check this out, me, huh?

• 18:09Laci Mosley?

  Like, why you making them eyes at me like that? Like, come on.

• 18:13Speaker 07

  I put my profile name one time as Funky Frankie. My homegirl was like, what are you doing? What am I Funky Frankie? I'm like, no, cause, you know, I like funky shit, so you know?

• 18:20Laci Mosley?

  No, cause they don't think fun.

• 18:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, you gotta, like, and I'm like, oh shit, I didn't even think about that. And she's like, yeah, no, no, ain't girl gonna like that. Like, Funky Frankie, sounds like you smell. And I was like, damn, I didn't even trip out there, but yes, glad I ran it by her.

• 18:32Laci Mosley?

  And also, men, please take off those photos of you posing with a celebrity doing this.

• 18:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 18:39Laci Mosley?

  We know you don't know them. This finger says, this is a stranger. Think about how many times you've taken a photo with a friend. And been like, no, you, you with a stranger, babes.

• 18:54Speaker 07

  Dude, my homegirl sent me a screenshot, she was on a dating app, and a dude had me and him in front of the commissary, it was one of his profile pictures, or like, his pictures. But it, she was like, do you know him? Cause he, it looked like, he made it look like, hey, we're homies and shit.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  That's my type of shit. See, that's how you do it. If you gonna do it, that's how you do it. You lean, you don't gotta touch the person to disrespect their space, but you just lean in a little bit, and you kinda just like, or even be talking a little bit during it, like-

• 19:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, remember that one time?

• 19:24Speaker 10

  Remember that fish we caught in Mammoth?

• 19:25Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's how you do it. The second you start posing, we're like, you know, we know you don't know them.

• 19:31Speaker 10

  Like the finger point.

• 19:32Laci Mosley?

  Put the finger up. Put it away.

• 19:37Laci Mosley?

  That's our scam tips for y'all, okay? These were great. I love your opinions on all of these. I think, I think you've got some, you're giving the people hope.

• 19:45Speaker 10

  I hope so.

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• 20:18Speaker 12

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• 20:33Speaker 13

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 20:44Speaker 12

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• 20:49Speaker 14

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• 20:55Speaker 12

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• 21:18Laci Mosley?

  And now we're gonna get into my favorite part of this show. Historic hoodwinkings, this is where I'm gonna regale Frankie with a famous con caper. Maybe it's a group of caper, maybe it's a group of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, I don't know. Maybe it's a couple, we'll see along the way. Oh, look, it's a wealthy couple. And they're from Maine.

• 21:40Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 21:43Laci Mosley?

  Not the boozy.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  And that was the judge, mental.

• 21:46Speaker 07

  I know, I know, my bad, baby.

• 21:48Laci Mosley?

  How did you get into this country club? Oh, I work in HVAC. Hmm.

• 21:53Laci Mosley?

  HVAC people make a lot of money. Hmm. We're letting in HVAC people, huh? Yes, they make a lot of money. But anyways, we had a wealthy couple in Maine. And they poisoned an LL Bean heiress's trees to give their house a better waterfront view. And it's tearing the community apart. So, look, these are the trees. Now, look at the trees that are erect.

• 22:21Speaker 07

  The trees that are erect.

• 22:23Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 22:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, there's a handful of erect trees there.

• 22:26Laci Mosley?

  Now, just are we looking at pre-poison? No, this is post-poison, right?

• 22:30Speaker 07

  Oh, these ones in the middle, okay.

• 22:31Laci Mosley?

  Because now, look at the trees that, yeah, so you see the ones that...

• 22:35Speaker 07

  Okay, so this is the LL Bean, homie, right up front? Okay, and then there's the house in the back, okay.

• 22:40Laci Mosley?

  So, the LL Bean house in the front, you see how they got they foliage all low in the front? They got a cute little bush, so they can have a cute little view. And when you get to a certain, like, elevation of rich, like stupid things like this have to become your priority because you don't worry about bills or things that would fulfill you as a human being, like hobbies. So, they start buying airspace, so you can't build too high. They also, which is like how you own the air, bitch. Like, we've let rich people get away with too much, you can't own air. And also, they start buying, like, building rights, so you can't build above a certain amount because it decreases the property value of the things that you're building over because you're obstructing their views. So, the LL Bean house, they said, "Views for us, no views for y'all." Because in the front, you see how their trees are, like, erect on the sides,

• 23:25Laci Mosley?

  but then they got, like, mini bush mazes happening in the front, so the view is cute. In the back of their house, where you see them, so you see these luscious trees in the back, and then right in the middle is some burnt-ass, skinny-ass, fucking, dead-ass, branched-ass trees that are clearly tall as hell. Those trees are in the L L Bean people's backyard. So this wealthy couple decided, we want a better waterfront view. And since we can't cut your trees, we're gonna murder them.

• 23:53Speaker 07

  Damn, rich people are crazy.

• 23:56Laci Mosley?

  But honestly, this is my type of rich people activity. Like.

• 24:02Speaker 07

  I love how you soften your voice.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, though. You're not out bothering nobody but other rich people who are hoarding resources. Like, this is a community issue. Rich people on rich people crime is beautiful. More of this. Stop bothering us. You know, like, fight amongst yourselves. Because now, rich people want to be seen so badly, and that's very strange to me. Like, it used to be that rich people circled around other rich people. They had their circles, they wore their clothes, and they followed their own loser ass trends. And they never bothered us. But then with social media, all of a sudden, they decided they're like.

• 24:37Speaker 07

  They want to get involved now.

• 24:37Laci Mosley?

  Not only do I need to be rich, I need you to see me being rich. And I need you to see me, and it's like, no, we don't.

• 24:42Speaker 07

  You need to know your place.

• 24:43Laci Mosley?

  And it's like, no, we don't need to know. Like, are you rich in a forest?

• 24:50Laci Mosley?

  If you didn't burn it down to destroy the planet? If no one can see you burned down a forest to destroy the planet? Did you even do it?

• 24:59Speaker 07

  That's wild.

• 25:00Laci Mosley?

  What? You didn't. So, the Tree Killers are a politically connected couple. Who aren't actually from New England. They summer in Maine, but they live in Brooklyn most of the time. So, they're not even from the society. I think that's why the girls got their panties in the loop. Because you're just summering here, which means you're an outsider, okay? You're not here for the Spring Petunia Bowl. You're not here for the Fall Festival. You're not getting involved with bitchy, rich people Maine politics year round.

• 25:33Speaker 07

  Right, right.

• 25:34Laci Mosley?

  And so Amelia Bond used to be an investment banker. And then she became the head of the St. Louis Community Foundation, a nonprofit for wealthy charitable investors in Missouri for 12 years. And then she retired during the Tree Drama.

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  Now, this is her, and.

• 25:56Speaker 07

  Wait, she's a.

• 25:57Laci Mosley?

  She is a tree murderer.

• 25:58Speaker 07

  Oh, shit, okay.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so she, she used to be like working, you know, as an investment banker. So she probably was, you know, Wolf of Wall Street in there. I mean, judging by their ages, they definitely had, you know, something to do with the 2008 financial crisis. Probably got real rich, is, is giving. The nose is giving, babes. Back in the day, you don't even know. I did so much cocaine and I was that girl. She, she definitely had a plug. Cause you know, she looks like, like now she looks like an older, like distinguished scarf lady. But something about that gold chain and them earrings and those bright blue eyes. And even her smile is giving, like back in the day, her hair was longer and everybody knew she had a bag of that good white, white.

• 26:41Laci Mosley?

  And on the stock market. She kept everybody up from Dow closed to Dow open.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  They was doing financial crimes. And so then she did enough crime that she, she, she was like, okay, I'm rich enough that I'm just gonna do a nonprofit. So I can keep laundering money. In Missouri. Mind you, she was doing crime on, on, in Wall Street. And then she was like, let me go to Missouri with this money and.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  Start this nonprofit. And she switched from cocaine to pills. You can see in her eyes, look.

• 27:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you can. She was like, I need to slow down.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  She was like, I can't do drugs like I used to.

• 27:21Laci Mosley?

  It's really in the eyes.

• 27:23Speaker 07

  It is, yeah.

• 27:24Laci Mosley?

  But honestly, she's such a good, like she took her Missouri wardrobe and brought it back to Maine. Because her whole attire is given. She blended in, in Missouri. That scarf, but that, but that chain is giving me New York City, baby. That chain is giving me, like she would put that on when she had to go uptown to get, to get the stash for everybody. Like she, she knows things. Her eyes, oh, the pools of secrets.

• 27:47Laci Mosley?

  So her husband, Arthur Bond III, she married a third, is an architect and the nephew of Christopher Kit Bond, the former longtime Republican Senator of Missouri. So no wonder she did her charity in Missouri. Cause she could go to Missouri and she'd get all the board, the charity lights, you know, helping her man. Also, anybody who is named Christopher and they go by Kit, we know what's up.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 28:15Laci Mosley?

  We watched, we watched Industry Babes. We know. Kit.

• 28:20Speaker 07

  Oh, there he is. Oh, he looks Republican as well, too.

• 28:24Laci Mosley?

  Look at his hair, though. He should have been in politics, because the hair is giving Kit. I'm, I'm, I'm kind of into the vibe. He leaned into the lore.

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  And like, whatever moves he was putting in that, like, whatever he did.

• 28:37Speaker 07

  Yep, the three-piece suit, too.

• 28:39Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, and in Missouri?

• 28:40Speaker 07

  Buttoned all up.

• 28:41Laci Mosley?

  In Missouri? So Kit is, was popping, right? And, and remember, Kit is the uncle of Arthur Bond, who is married to Amelia Bond, our baddie, who, you know, is a good time gal. So before Kit died, and this is the prominent uncle with the great hair, in 2005, when he passed, he had an exceptionally low rating from the environmental watchdog group. Not the watchdogs on your ass. Republicans for Environmental Protection. That was, and we know Republicans ain't never been for no environmental protection. So if they give you a low rating, what are you up to?

• 29:17Speaker 07

  You're up to something, homie.

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  When Republicans for Environmental Protection are like, wait a minute.

• 29:25Speaker 07

  Something's up with this guy.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  It feels like you must be pretty shady, my guy, because they don't really step up. So this was all due to Kit, the uncle's, never-ending attempts to ban same-sex marriage and famously comparing waterboarding to swimming, which...

• 29:42Laci Mosley?

  Let's see this video of Kit talking about this to his constituents.

• 29:47Speaker 07

  Ah, let's see this.

• 29:48Laci Mosley?

  His constituents, if you will.

• 29:50Speaker 15

  Just would like to, but do you think that that waterboarding, as I described it, is constitutes torture?

• 29:55Speaker 16

  Uh, there are different ways of doing it. It's like swimming.

• 30:00Speaker 16

  Freestyle backstroke. If the, uh, if the, if it, waterboarding could be used, uh, almost to define some of the techniques that are, uh, trainees are, are put through, but that's beside the point. It's not, it's not being used.

• 30:17Speaker 07

  Wow. He said freestyle backstroke.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  You ain't never done the butterfly waterboard? You know, they like, you, you in the chair, but they like move your arms this way. Move your arms. What do you mean? This is torture. No, waterboarding ain't torture. It's like.

• 30:37Speaker 07

  It's like, it's like swimming, you know?

• 30:40Laci Mosley?

  It's like swimming.

• 30:43Speaker 07

  That's crazy.

• 30:44Laci Mosley?

  What do you mean? And also like, can we do a side by side of like, that's what he looked like. You know what? He was probably saying crazy shit back when he had that nice ass hair and that suit. And people were distracted by him being a charismatic white man because he has, he's tall with a forehead of hair and a jawline. And then when he got older, they were like, wait a minute.

• 31:04Speaker 07

  Something's up here.

• 31:05Laci Mosley?

  Waterboarding to swimming. It was like Guantanamo. No, it's a vacation. It's a vacation home. Like, what do you mean?

• 31:14Speaker 07

  To island retreat.

• 31:15Laci Mosley?

  Solitary confinement. Haven't you ever wanted to have some peace of mind alone?

• 31:22Laci Mosley?

  It's, it's like a silent disco, but in the dark with no food or water. It's meditation. It's meditation.

• 31:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, we want you to find yourself.

• 31:34Laci Mosley?

  Like, he tried it, but wow. So in 2018, and, and honestly, that was when Republicans had more decency. Where they were like, sir, we have to really stop you. Now they're like, y'all can just say anything. I feel bad for old school Republicans who just wanted to keep their money and cheat the system. Cause now you gotta be down with all these, these racist.

• 31:54Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we just wanted to keep our money and not be benevolent, bro.

• 31:57Speaker 07

  I just wanted to get my tax breaks.

• 31:58Laci Mosley?

  I wanted my tax breaks, but now I gotta wear a red hat and lose a tooth? We didn't sign up for this. That's not what we signed up for.

• 32:05Speaker 07

  Lose a tooth.

• 32:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay. We just wanted to hide money in the Caymans.

• 32:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, not get back to our communities. That's it.

• 32:15Speaker 07

  Right.

• 32:15Laci Mosley?

  We didn't want to have to get down with all of this.

• 32:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:18Laci Mosley?

  That's why I'll never forget the insurrection when that orange man was like, "These people who showed up for me are very ugly."

• 32:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:27Laci Mosley?

  He was embarrassed.

• 32:29Speaker 07

  They're not attractive people, but off.

• 32:31Laci Mosley?

  You thought they were gonna come and sue us. No, these are the people who support you, okay? They hooligans to the nth degree.

• 32:37Speaker 09

  Those are the free swipe.

• 32:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, right.

• 32:41Laci Mosley?

  Leave that in, Jess. Oh, my God.

• 32:46Speaker 11

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• 33:16Speaker 12

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 33:31Speaker 13

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 33:42Speaker 12

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 33:47Speaker 14

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 33:53Speaker 12

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

• 34:16Laci Mosley?

  So in 2018, the Bonds brought a vaca- they bought a vacation home in Maine with a million dollar view of Camden Harbor. Or it would have been a million dollar view if not for their neighbors Oak Trees. So now we're back to author and his party girl Amelia, right? So they bought this house. Look at this harbor. They was like, we gonna be able to see all the boats coming in, they're docking and you know, we're watching below deck, but live, like, you know, we're living.

• 34:46Speaker 07

  We're living, yeah.

• 34:47Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? And

• 34:50Speaker 07

  We're watching below deck live.

• 34:55Laci Mosley?

  And Camden is a small town of just 5,000 people. So you got 5,000 people and they're rich. Now we're getting into the mess. Like Nicole Kidman, next mini-series, go to Camden, okay? Get the next bad wig, give me whatever accent you want to give me, I do not care. I will watch it. Have somebody rush ashore in Camden, we need it. So 93% of the people who live there are white and it's a picturesque spot.

• 35:19Speaker 07

  93%?

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, 93% Caucasian.

• 35:22Speaker 07

  Lovely.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  Lovely. Don't mind if I do.

• 35:29Laci Mosley?

  And this is like

• 35:38Laci Mosley?

  And honestly, like, that's why there would never be world peace. Because when white people are left to their own devices, when they price things out and they're racially discriminatory, right? And we get a 93% white area, they still fighting.

• 35:50Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yup, they're gonna find something to trip on.

• 35:54Laci Mosley?

  They're gonna find something to be upset about. And so, you know, mostly they have mountains, right? It meets the Atlantic Ocean and it overlooks a bay filled with lobster boats, yachts and schooners. Isn't that a nickname for some reason? Scooner.

• 36:12Speaker 07

  Scooner. Schooner.

• 36:14Laci Mosley?

  Schooner, please. Our schooners plowed half the town. What a horn dog. Like Casanova.

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  So it's like a bay that you could tragically not fully see from Amelia and Arthur's, their house, the Bonds' house. Because of these oak trees that were blocking their home. Now, mind you, they've been scamming on Wall Street, scamming in Missouri.

• 36:38Speaker 10

  Scamming in St. Louis.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  And so now they decided to get them a rich people stay away home, you know? That's where you go when you get in the newspapers and you need the heat to die down.

• 36:45Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 36:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and now they don't even have the view on the home. So the town's assessor says that properties in Camden have various scales of ocean view, including obstructed view, obstructed seasonal view, average ocean view, good ocean view, very good, clean ocean view, panoramic ocean view. Yeah, so these are the ocean views that you can have. And this scale determines the value of your home. So I would imagine the Bonds bought this home thinking like, we've been big shit in the big city. We've been big shit in Missouri because we're located with all the politicians. So now we go to Maine, we get this million dollar home,

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  and now we go into the Maine tea parties and shit. And everyone's like, oh, where do you live? Oh, you live behind the LLB?

• 37:36Speaker 10

  Oh, you have the obstructed view, huh?

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so all you see is trees?

• 37:42Laci Mosley?

  Mortimer, Mortimer, come here. They're the ones who bought the LLB home. They only see us trees.

• 37:49Laci Mosley?

  They've never seen a schooner.

• 37:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I can't wait to tell the children when they come home from college to get money.

• 37:58Laci Mosley?

  So for much of the year, when the trees were bare, the Bonds had a fairly unobstructed view. But in the summer months, the foliage created a natural screen.

• 38:08Speaker 10

  Oh, no.

• 38:09Laci Mosley?

  The foliage. Like, they probably went from like, very good ocean view, or maybe even good ocean view, to obstructed seasonal view. The ghetto. Obstructed seasonal view, I would not be seen in your cul-de-sac.

• 38:26Speaker 10

  Ugh.

• 38:27Laci Mosley?

  You want me to come in your roundabout with an obstructed seasonal view? Oh, my God, my social status will be through the ground. So for like they had it though, they had to obstruct a seasonal. So if only they could get the full season.

• 38:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  If only they could get rid of.

• 38:43Speaker 07

  They must have bought it when it was, it was bare, right?

• 38:46Laci Mosley?

  It was probably a good Realtor who sold them the home during the good view season.

• 38:56Laci Mosley?

  And they probably marked up the home cuz of the view.

• 39:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're like, look, there it is.

• 39:04Laci Mosley?

  And remember, these people, we learned in the beginning that a million author, they mostly live in Brooklyn. There's summer in Maine.

• 39:13Speaker 07

  Oh, so that's the only time.

• 39:14Laci Mosley?

  So maybe they bought the house in the summer because they wanted to see it in the summer, right? Now I'm like, damn, they kinda did love to get scammed. They bought it in the summer cuz they wanted to see the season they were gonna be seasoning it.

• 39:27Speaker 07

  Right.

• 39:27Laci Mosley?

  Then they upcharged them for the view because they're like, these are out of town city slickers who have no idea that this is a obstructed seasonal view. They don't know about the foliage.

• 39:39Speaker 07

  The foliage.

• 39:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen, I don't wanna be on your side, but I'm on your side a little bit, like.

• 39:43Speaker 07

  I mean, a little bit.

• 39:44Laci Mosley?

  I think they, I think y'all paid a little bit too much cuz they got you cuz they knew you weren't from the area.

• 39:49Speaker 07

  But, yeah, then it's like, but did they, did they have other beef or did they know him? Did they, was there an interaction? I mean, I'm sure you're probably gonna get to it, but like, you know, was it like?

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  When, people can smell when you don't know things, right? And I feel like in certain situations, you know, like you have your car salesman, you have your Realtors. Like, when you're selling a property or an item that only has as much value as you put onto it, then that's where you have to have a finesser to come in and tell you that it's worth that. So like, for example, if I buy an expensive piece of jewelry, but like, let's say it's like Cartier or something like that, right? That has a price tag on it. It may be expensive, but it has a price tag on it. Now, let's say I go to a jeweler who makes custom pieces and it's all real gold. It might be the same ingredients they're using at the Cartier store, right? But they, they are now assigning the value based on how you feel. So if you come in and you were like, I'm only spending this much, they'll probably sell it to you for that much.

• 40:42Laci Mosley?

  But if you come in and they can give you a little razzle dazzle, they gonna upcharge you.

• 40:47Speaker 07

  Right.

• 40:48Laci Mosley?

  Right? So I feel like with this real estate, they might have been like, oh, and an unobstructed view in the, in the summertime, in the summertime. Don't worry about the other seasons. But right now you can see everything, but ladies, don't even worry about that, you know?

• 41:00Speaker 07

  They don't know, yeah.

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  They're not from here, so they don't know about season changes. So their neighbor happened to be Lisa Gorman, the wife of late Leon Gorman, who had been LL Bean's president and the grandson of the actual LL himself, making her a wealthy heiress and basically main royalty. So, oh yeah, she looks like a socialite. She looks like she plans all the gatherings. Is that her man?

• 41:25Speaker 07

  Is that, that's her man?

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 41:28Speaker 07

  Wait, so he was the president of LL Bean?

• 41:30Laci Mosley?

  So he's the grandson, so he nepoed a little bit. Because LL Bean, like, the actual LL himself is the grandfather. So he is the president and grandson of the actual LL. And if you don't know what LL Bean is, it's like, like, outdoorsy shit. Like, you know, like jackets and boots, a lot of waterproof boots and, and things like that. I once dated somebody who loved LL Bean. And I had some LL Bean boots and then I returned them.

• 41:57Speaker 07

  Like outdoorsy J. Crew, but ups?

• 42:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 07

  A little nicer.

• 42:01Laci Mosley?

  I like to hike, but I'm bougie.

• 42:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:04Laci Mosley?

  If you know, you know. But also, this man looks significantly older than her. And he also just looks like, I could tell in her day, she was like the baddie baddie. She got on the Van Cleef necklace, like, she kept that body tight and fit. And, and she, she hosted all the parties and events and made sure that all the cootie girl looks nice.

• 42:21Speaker 07

  Hair's still looking good.

• 42:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but that's like a main haircut that I feel like was probably popping in society. Like, that's like the Rachel for people in Maine, I feel like.

• 42:31Laci Mosley?

  And he looks happy to be with her. Look how he's smiling all hard.

• 42:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, that's my lady.

• 42:34Laci Mosley?

  Right, mouth dry as hell. I know after he finished that smile, he was bleeding.

• 42:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, he don't even have no upper lip. Look at that hair.

• 42:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, no, no, no, that's a part of being in Maine. You know, if you got an upper lip, you don't belong here. Okay?

• 42:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, her too, you're right.

• 42:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if you're gonna be on the upper list of society. I know you heard of upper crust. We talk about upper lip of society. You got too much lip, we need to check your lineage. Cause how did you get over here? We 93%.

• 42:57Speaker 07

  We 93%.

• 43:00Laci Mosley?

  So Leon Linwood Bean founded the Freeport, Maine-based outdoor apparel in 1912, right? So it's an old-school brand. She a old-school diva, and she's like royalty there because she's that girl. And this is the photo of the original LL Bean out in the woods.

• 43:16Speaker 07

  See, even he has a lot of foilings behind him, yeah.

• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  And he also, but it's given LL Bean because he was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna be in the woods, but I got a walking stick, I got a jacket where butt is on, and a collar beige. I'm out here to like shoot duck and be a baddie." He was like, "I don't want to look like I'm a regular woodsman. I'm not out here to chop a tree. I'm not a lumberjack. I'm upper crust."

• 43:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:36Laci Mosley?

  But we like nature, too. So in 2014, Lisa's husband, I remember Lisa's the LL Bean now heiress because she married into the family.

• 43:45Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 43:46Laci Mosley?

  So in 2014, Lisa's husband Leon was the richest person in Maine, but in 2015, he passed away. When he passed away, Lisa became...

• 43:57Speaker 07

  The richest person.

• 43:59Laci Mosley?

  And now she don't got no husband, so all she has is time.

• 44:03Speaker 07

  And money.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 44:11Speaker 07

  Yes, yes.

• 44:14Laci Mosley?

  So...

• 44:17Laci Mosley?

  We love this too much. Frankie, can we be neighbors at some point and wreak havoc?

• 44:22Speaker 07

  Let's do it.

• 44:23Laci Mosley?

  So, convenient tree deaths. Sometime in the spring of April 22, a caretaker noticed that several of the trees on Lisa's property were struggling. They were struggling for life. They were withered with leaves turning yellow and brown, and not at the time that they're supposed to, okay?

• 44:44Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 44:45Laci Mosley?

  Not an ugly tree, honey. The failing trees were along the property line that divided Lisa's house from her uphill neighbors, the Bonds. Now remember the Bonds? Okay, they did the stocks and bonds in New York, and they also did the bonding in St. Louis. So when the trees and other vegetation began dying in June, which is a summer month, strange, Amelia told Lisa that the trees didn't look good and offered to split the cost of cutting them down. So Amelia came over to Lisa, the granddaughter of Maine, and she said, "Oh, my goodness, Lisa girl."

• 45:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  Lisa. We're back from Brooklyn. And I just wanted to say, like, you are the granddame of Maine, and your trees look like ass. Would you, like, want me to help you with the cost of cutting them down since they're so ugly?

• 45:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:38Laci Mosley?

  And I don't know why they're so ugly. I don't know what you did to them. I don't know, maybe since your husband died, you don't know how to take care of a tree anymore. Was he the green thumb? Who knows? L.L. Bean with a bad tree? Bad for the brand.

• 45:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, we need to do something about this.

• 45:50Laci Mosley?

  L.L. Bean only has green trees. So she said it might have been due to brown-tailed moths, a pest that had been causing some trouble for Maine's oak trees recently. So Amelia even had a story. She said, "Have you not seen them brown-tailed moths?" Because I done seen them.

• 46:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, look it up.

• 46:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay, they were gnawing on my sweater, then I saw them gnawing on my tree. I was like, "Get out of here, brown-tailed moth." "I'll fight you."

• 46:13Laci Mosley?

  "And when I saw them on your trees, I was like, 'I can't believe it.'" So do you want to split the cost of taking them down? Win-win. Ugly trees, gone.

• 46:20Speaker 07

  Sneaky ass bitch.

• 46:22Laci Mosley?

  So Lisa didn't buy it, because she's old-school Maine. She was like, "Um, I've been living here for many a season, and ain't no brown-tailed moth killed my trees."

• 46:29Speaker 07

  Right.

• 46:30Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, you knew here. So instead, she asked her landscapers, and it says she asked, but I feel like she might have been yelling at them. So she asked her landscapers, Bartlett tree experts, to look at the trees. And they took soil and tissue samples.

• 46:47Speaker 07

  Ooh, like, there they are.

• 46:50Laci Mosley?

  So this is the experts. Wow. And they look, they got on vests, they got on hats. It's giving experts.

• 46:58Speaker 07

  They got the little poses and shit, yeah.

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  And they posing with trees that all look pretty healthy. So they clearly are experts. And she asked them to take samples, like, she wanted forensics. Remember, this is a widowed woman with the most money in Maine.

• 47:12Speaker 07

  All the time.

• 47:13Laci Mosley?

  So she said, "Call out Mariska Harkitay."

• 47:16Speaker 07

  Oh, not Marissa.

• 47:18Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I need...

• 47:20Speaker 07

  Harkitay.

• 47:23Laci Mosley?

  Soil in order, SV.

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  Leaves in order, SVU. Okay, y'all come out here, y'all get the droppers out, and y'all get the Petri dishes in, like, okay?

• 47:33Speaker 07

  Get the samples.

• 47:34Laci Mosley?

  Special Crimes Unit, dong-dong. She said, "Don't play with me. My money long." So their test came back positive for Tabo Theron.

• 47:44Speaker 07

  Oh, shit, Tabo Theron.

• 47:46Laci Mosley?

  I couldn't believe it myself. I said, "Not the Tabo Theron."

• 47:52Laci Mosley?

  Yo, wildin'. Tabuthiron?

• 47:57Laci Mosley?

  Why would y'all do this? And that's a famous plant killer, if you don't know, like me and Frankie, right?

• 48:06Laci Mosley?

  And it had spread to more than eighty trees, bushes, and shrubs on Lisa's property, including maples, blueberry bushes, dogwoods, and seven mature oaks that towered over the houses, ranging from a thirty-nine to seventy-foot high level, seventy-seven foot high level. So mind you, these trees take time to build.

• 48:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 48:31Laci Mosley?

  Miss Gurley is in the 1912 dynasty. So now you're killing some of the legacy with these trees. And you know, at her big age, she probably walking the girls around the trees all the time.

• 48:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  And they got a blueberry bush? You killing produce?

• 48:45Speaker 07

  You can't, why, you can't mess with the blueberries, man.

• 48:46Laci Mosley?

  She been having a fresh blueberry smoothie and blueberries in her yogurt for forever, and you fucking up the bag like, mm.

• 48:52Speaker 07

  Scooner, pick me some berries, please, you know?

• 48:54Laci Mosley?

  And the one thing that you can really hurt a rich person with is fucking up something old. Because all money loves to pretend, like, they, they need a level always. So if you get rich, then even if you go into that upper class, they'll be like, oh, well, you just got your money. Like, we're from an inbred family, and we've had money for many, many, many, many generations.

• 49:11Speaker 07

  That's like their culture, you know, like, see, I am cultured in money.

• 49:15Laci Mosley?

  So what Amelia didn't realize is that by fucking with them trees, she was fucking with the culture. Because this old ass tree, she was like, hell, you know, Papa Bean used to come scale this tree. It's where he came up with the raincoat.

• 49:28Speaker 07

  Papa Bean, mhm.

• 49:31Laci Mosley?

  Papa Bean. You fucking up the lore.

• 49:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:35Laci Mosley?

  Okay? And so the plants were beyond saving and would need to be removed. And because of the nature of the herbicide, which doesn't break down, the soil would have to be removed too. So she basically salted to the earth this land.

• 49:54Laci Mosley?

  And, and what's wild to me about this is like, girl, if you gonna poison this rich old lady trees.

• 50:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 50:02Laci Mosley?

  Why would you tell her, like, why would you go over to her house and be like, "I noticed that your trees are dying"? Like, now she knows who the imminent threat is. "Her trees ain't been died since you moved in." And then you pulled your ass up to the block and was like, "You wanna split the cost"? Why are you, first of all, rich people, rich people foul play, number one. Why would you do a crime and then even be near it trying to help? Okay, they have people do that and then, and then they pretend they never even knew those people. Number two, which I think might be the bigger flaw here. If you're rich, a lot of people who are rich get there by being cheap and greedy. In fact, I'm gonna say all, you know what I mean? If you pay people a living wage, you could still be rich, but you wouldn't be like, maybe, super ultra billionaire, wealthy 1912 money, because you're paying people a fair wage. You can still be rich and pay people fairly.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  But the last thing you would do is offer to split costs on something on someone else's property.

• 50:50Speaker 07

  Red flag.

• 50:51Laci Mosley?

  Huge red flag. I think that's honestly where Lisa was like, "Split costs."

• 50:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, something's up.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  That's not rich people behavior.

• 51:00Speaker 07

  It just made me think of how much shit they got away with, with their little charities in St. Louis. And they've probably been getting away with crazy shit.

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  We saw Kit was saying anything. Kit said waterboarding, uh, scuba diving.

• 51:12Speaker 07

  Freestyle swimming, you know, it's a...

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Parasailing, freestyle swimming. It's all the same.

• 51:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're like, "Yeah, just, just poison the trees and tell them to split the costs, easy."

• 51:22Laci Mosley?

  Hear me out, waterboarding, boogie boarding.

• 51:27Laci Mosley?

  So they're used to unserious people and getting away with these things.

• 51:30Speaker 07

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  So, the same chemical that had been used on the trees on Lisa's property had been used in a 2010 crime of passion by an angry 62-year-old Alabama college football fan named Harvey Updike to kill famous oak trees at Auburn University's Tumorous Corner after a particularly hard Alabama loss against Auburn. So after a football loss against Auburn, Harvey admitted to killing the trees on the Auburn property, even calling a radio show to brag about it, and he did end up serving jail time. So he killed their trees. That's how mad he was, is that he went into botany.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  Over a football game.

• 52:14Speaker 07

  I know how I'm gonna get him.

• 52:15Laci Mosley?

  I know how I'm gonna get him. Botany. Honestly, nobody should go to jail for botany. This is like lore. Like, just replace the trees. It's not, it's not that crazy. Like, don't fill up our prisons with people who, who are petty to the nth degree. He said, "I got a green thumb."

• 52:31Speaker 07

  What are you in for?

• 52:32Laci Mosley?

  Botany.

• 52:35Speaker 07

  Oh, botany.

• 52:36Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that, at that point, you gotta lie about your jacket. Like, you can't tell people that you in jail for botany. You know what I mean? You gotta be like, "I killed a bunch of people." Or, "I killed a bunch of things in nature." Don't say it's trees, I don't know.

• 52:49Speaker 07

  It was that they were alive, now they're dead.

• 52:51Laci Mosley?

  "I killed a bunch of alive things."

• 52:54Laci Mosley?

  People, things were alive and now they're dead. Yeah, you gotta get real vague with it.

• 53:00Laci Mosley?

  Let's just say, "Things that were living aren't living anymore." Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah.

• 53:05Speaker 07

  There you go, okay.

• 53:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay, cool. We gonna beat you up. So, in 2021, Amelia Bond bought four pounds of this poison in Missouri and drove it to Maine. So, she didn't have no paper trail. Okay, I kinda fucks with this, driving it to Maine. That's where she applied it near Lisa's oak trees. This particular chemical contaminates the soil and does not break down. So, it continues to kill plants. It kinda just spreads out. Unless you remove the soil, it's gonna live and keep killing. The other solution is waiting for nature to thin out the concentration of the herbicide for safe levels for plants. But that could take up to two years. And we know Lisa don't wait no time. She got money. Things are instant for her. So, let's look at Amelia Bond's house in that first picture again. So, wow.

• 53:52Laci Mosley?

  Her house, all the brown trees around it that she murdered. And now she has a view, even through the trees. But Amelia wasn't satisfied. I think that's why she went to Lisa's house. And was like, "Lisa, girl, your trees are nasty. Will you cut them? And I'll help you cut them? And let's do it today?"

• 54:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, she got greedy.

• 54:09Laci Mosley?

  She got too greedy. So, Lisa's trees are now gone. And the harbor view from the Bonds' home has obviously improved. But the herbicide used to poison the trees leached into a neighboring park. And the town's only public seaside beach. Bitch, you done poisoned the whole neighborhood.

• 54:27Speaker 07

  She poisoned the beach?

• 54:29Laci Mosley?

  Lisa, if you gonna be a brown thumb, at least get...

• 54:35Laci Mosley?

  Get on a Reddit, get on a website. I'm sure you can't be the only petty poisoner out there.

• 54:40Speaker 07

  Right.

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  And figure out, I think she got all this and just dumped it. She was like, I don't know how much it's gonna take, let's do it all.

• 54:45Speaker 07

  They're big trees.

• 54:46Laci Mosley?

  And now she gonna poison the whole goddamn neighborhood. So the bonds paid a $4,500 fee to resolve the main board of pesticide control board's violations for unauthorized use of an herbicide. And that was like, obviously applied inappropriately and not allowed for residential use. And you know, when you get into these kind of residences, the HOAs don't play.

• 55:06Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  And so, they also had to pay $180,000 to resolve violations with the town, and another $30,000 for additional environmental testing. This is what I'm gonna say, Amelia, for this point, babes.

• 55:23Speaker 07

  Babes.

• 55:25Laci Mosley?

  Why were you trying to do this like, in city? Like you drove to a different city, probably bought all this tree poison in cash, maybe showed up in a hoodie and a hat, and did all this with all...

• 55:38Speaker 07

  Different state?

• 55:39Laci Mosley?

  You could've just hired a tree hitman. And had somebody come cut these trees down in the middle of the night. Or maybe hire like a private investigator, and when you see Lisa's like, out on vacation or somewhere, have them buzz all them trees down. And yeah, you would've had to pay Lisa. But you wouldn't have been a menace to the entire neighborhood. You wouldn't have had to pay 180,000, you probably would've had to pay the 100 grand. But the violations with the town, another 30,000 for environmental testing, and then you also had to pay more than 1.5 million to Lisa in a legal settlement, which almost as much as they paid for their actual vacation home that they bought in 2018. Babes, you could've just paid the 1.5.

• 56:24Laci Mosley?

  Or I bet you the settlement wouldn't have been as high if you had to poison the whole goddamn neighborhood.

• 56:30Speaker 07

  So it cost them like, over, it cost them over 2 million?

• 56:32Laci Mosley?

  Cause I bet you that Lisa got sympathy points in this rich people dispute. Because she was like, not only did they murder my trees and plants that obviously have an L.L. Bean history.

• 56:43Speaker 07

  My blueberries.

• 56:44Laci Mosley?

  They also took down the neighborhood park. Which is where 7% of our ethnics like to play.

• 56:53Laci Mosley?

  It's the only place they have access on the beach.

• 56:57Laci Mosley?

  And this is gonna cause damage for years to come, decades even. Like, girl, just hire a tree hitman. Like, you did too much. Yeah, so Frankie, what are your thoughts about Amelia? Like, um, how do we feel like she is on the scammer scale? Like, do we love her? Do we hate her? Also, do we feel like she could have improved on this? Or maybe just left it alone? I don't know.

• 57:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, she's easy to hate for me.

• 57:24Speaker 07

  I wanted to like her because of her, you know, she liked to party and do cocaine and shit. Now she does pills and, you know, but, but like, just to, it makes me think she's got away with so much for her to have the confidence to be like, okay, I'm gonna buy this tree poison, I'm gonna drive to our beach home. I'm gonna dump all this shit, it's gonna work out. Like, to have that, like, like for your mind to work that way.

• 57:45Laci Mosley?

  So sociopathic.

• 57:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, oh, for sure.

• 57:47Laci Mosley?

  Because sociopaths are the ones who know it's wrong but do it anyway, right? And then psychopaths just have no idea, like, they have no conscience.

• 57:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, yeah, yeah.

• 57:55Laci Mosley?

  I'm pretty sure. Can we pull the difference between the two? But I'm pretty sure, like, she's sociopathic.

• 57:59Speaker 07

  And I love blueberries, and you hurt the blueberries.

• 58:02Laci Mosley?

  Like, why would you do that?

• 58:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, just sick.

• 58:04Laci Mosley?

  I agree with you because, and maybe it's that Wall Street mindset of like, because we know she had to have been working through the housing market crisis. And obviously, she made out like a fat cat because then they went to political connections that they had in Missouri, which were clearly just a man who had a full head of hair. And they used that up and sucked that society dry. They didn't even have a name for the damn charity. We don't even know what they were charitable to. So it's giving money laundering because they...

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Well, even the Republican...

• 58:33Laci Mosley?

  This head of the St. Louis Community Foundation. What does that mean that y'all do?

• 58:39Speaker 07

  What, yeah, community founding. Where even the Republican environmentalists got upset with them. You know something was up.

• 58:45Laci Mosley?

  Right, you know something was up. If the Republicans were pissed at you and your foundation is just for community? What community? Which one?

• 58:53Speaker 07

  Not the trees.

• 58:54Laci Mosley?

  Wait, clearly not. And so psychopaths are the... Ones who have no conscience and sociopaths may have a weak and inconsistent ability to feel empathy, which I think is what we're dealing with here. I think that she is a sociopath because to your point Frankie, like she clearly obviously got away with a lot of shit in her life. To the point where she drove her crazy ass down to Missouri, which is honestly giving me like that one lady, remember that stalker lady who like, drove across the country and it was like news for weeks because she like bought diapers? And like she like just peed in diapers to go like stalk somebody?

• 59:27Laci Mosley?

  She did not want to stop driving? And I, that's what this gives me. You drove to Missouri to get this poison thinking that nobody was gonna know it was you because you had a perfect plan and then you went back to the scene of the crime after it worked. It's also giving like as soon as the plant started to die, you was like out in your balcony sipping your tea like.

• 59:44Speaker 07

  Yep, there they go.

• 59:49Speaker 07

  Look at all that brown.

• 59:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, look at all that brown. Okay, it's finally time, Arthur. I'm gonna make a stop next door. And you go down, you're like, oh, poor thing, these ugly trees. And you went after the head of Maine society. So who knows if you have a vendetta there? Then now you're making her property ugly. Then you're offering to split to cut down the trees, trying to act like you're benevolent when you know you caused the problem.

• 1:00:09Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  And then.

• 1:00:11Speaker 07

  The audacity.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  It's the audacity. You're right. Because honestly, if she had done this scam where she was a tree hitman? And she just had somebody cut the trees down? And then had a dispute with the courts, I would have been on her side.

• 1:00:24Speaker 07

  Right, right, right.

• 1:00:24Laci Mosley?

  Because I would have been like, yeah, them trees fucking up your view and maybe, and like, yeah, you shouldn't be cutting other people's trees, but like, fuck it, if you want the view, like it's, what is this, rich on rich crime? I don't care, do it. But you're right, it's the whole subterfuge sneakiness of it all.

• 1:00:37Speaker 07

  And I'm more on the, you know, Papa Bean.

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  Be a real one.

• 1:00:40Speaker 07

  I'm more on Papa Bean's money than this crooked ass.

• 1:00:43Laci Mosley?

  Amelia, we would have been on your side. You scammed it up earnest on the streets of Wall Street, robbing everybody and making them lose their homes. Then you scammed it up even more earnestly in the country clubs of Missouri. You know, riding the coattails of your crazy ass waterboard surfboard ass, you know.

• 1:01:00Laci Mosley?

  Freestyle torture, okay? Choose your own torture. We let them choose.

• 1:01:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay, they're involved, they're participants.

• 1:01:08Speaker 07

  What's the issue here?

• 1:01:10Laci Mosley?

  Right, and we let you run all these grifts, and if you had came out and been a real grifter in Maine, instead of trying to poison and be a sociopath, we could have been on your side.

• 1:01:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Laci Mosley?

  So, moving on to our last segment here, Scammer of the Week, we're gonna be highlighting a biblical flood that was postponed indefinitely. Yeah, yeah, so it was a biblical flood, but it's postponed now. But indefinitely, we don't know when the biblical flood, but don't even like, so if you Noah out there, you got your ark, like, don't tear it down, but also...

• 1:01:42Speaker 07

  Because it's coming, but just, it's gonna be postponed.

• 1:01:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's like three to five business centuries, so just don't even,

• 1:01:50Laci Mosley?

  don't worry about that. So, in African news, Ghana's self-proclaimed prophet Ibu Noah, who goes by Noah, okay, with the ark.

• 1:02:00Speaker 07

  Here we go.

• 1:02:01Laci Mosley?

  He went viral on TikTok and YouTube at the end of last year for claiming that a global flood would begin on Christmas Day of 2025. Now, I will say, he is giving me Noah's Ark chic, you know what I mean?

• 1:02:13Speaker 07

  For sure.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  He's got a tatter on. Now, listen, his, look at his social media, these cam, like, he's got a camera that's giving us like 4K, at least, like, you could tell...

• 1:02:25Speaker 07

  Well, look at that nice ass office he's in, too, like, it don't go with the attire.

• 1:02:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you got tatters, and then the, you know why both of these pictures are incongruent? Because in the first one, the tatters matched the background a little bit, because it feels like we're in nature a little bit, even though there's houses behind him. But what's not matching here is that you're in portrait mode, my guy. So, why you got portrait mode, but also tatters? You got, you got money for portrait, you got money for shirts. And then in the other one, the tatters, like, the, the quality of the image isn't as good, but then the background is completely industrial, like you said, Frank.

• 1:03:01Speaker 07

  And he's like, his, his expression at the other one, too, he's like, hmm, I got you. Actually have a nice office.

• 1:03:09Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I gotta show more personality in this one, cuz they're gonna catch on. And the other one, he's giving Proud Man of Ghana. And like, don't actually come to Ghana, cuz then you'll realize there's a lot of rich neighborhoods and beautiful beaches. But like, right now, I got on tatters and I'm gonna hope that all of you grew up with National Geographic in your, in your elementary schools and you won't know that Ghana is actually also a very rich country. You won't know. I'm like, why would you do this, sir? So he started building modern day Noah's Ark to survive what he said would be a three-year flood. So also, he knows it's gonna be three years.

• 1:03:43Speaker 07

  Whoa.

• 1:03:43Laci Mosley?

  So, in a video called "What Will Happen and How It Will Happen", which honestly, I'm sure a lot of people clicked on, cuz we don't know what will happen and we certainly don't know how.

• 1:03:54Laci Mosley?

  He posted this in August. He claimed that God revealed that it would rain continuously for three years, starting on Christmas Day. And we have a little, a bit of what God revealed to Noah.

• 1:04:07Laci Mosley?

  Wait, the tatters were addressed?

• 1:04:11Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay, he got some goat and iPhone. He has an iPhone in his hand with the tatters.

• 1:04:23Speaker 07

  Wait, this is music he listens to, or?

• 1:04:25Laci Mosley?

  This is the music that he put on the video. And he's walking around barefoot in what is definitely also animal poop and soil. So he's got some white cows.

• 1:04:36Speaker 07

  So he got two of each?

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they keep trying to leave frame and he keeps like being like, pan the camera over so that they're in frame.

• 1:04:42Speaker 07

  The cows are like, man, we're tired of this bullshit.

• 1:04:44Laci Mosley?

  We're tired of shit. And the cows look a little hungry. I don't know if they gonna survive three years on, on the ship.

• 1:04:49Speaker 07

  There ain't gonna be no flood, man.

• 1:04:51Laci Mosley?

  Right, and under his tatters, I see something red and it looks like some boxers that are clearly bought from a store.

• 1:04:57Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah, look at that.

• 1:04:58Laci Mosley?

  So like, how?

• 1:04:59Speaker 07

  They got stripes and shit.

• 1:05:03Laci Mosley?

  Bro, why didn't you put? Wait, Frankie, you're a man. What are those boxes that like the fuckboys like to wear that had a colored band? You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:05:13Speaker 07

  Oh, like the briefs, the boxer briefs?

• 1:05:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the briefs.

• 1:05:16Speaker 07

  Well, what do they call it?

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Speaker 07

  Oh, I don't know. Just boxer briefs, right?

• 1:05:20Laci Mosley?

  Well, there's a boxer brief red that they be liking to wear. And like with the colored band, it's either like red or blue or whatever. I don't know. I only see it when people have their pants sagging. But that's what it's giving to me. And then he was like, let me put some tatters over this. Like, sir, we can see your Calvin's. Can you be for real?

• 1:05:34Speaker 07

  Wait, how does he? How does he have all the money to build an ark?

• 1:05:37Laci Mosley?

  How does he have money to build an ark? How does he, walking around in a, in a video that someone else is filming while he's also holding an iPhone, but also he needs to wear tatters? So, um, his boats look significantly smaller than the biblical Noah's ark described in the book of Genesis. The biblical ark is said to have measured about 510 feet long to 85 10 feet, or I'm sorry, to 85 feet wide and 51 feet tall. Now, in biblical feet, I don't know if we're talking about somebody's actual feet and like how big their feet were. But, um, it's far larger than the videos in Noah, Ibu's videos. But he did gain support and donations from followers online. Many followers said they believed him because parts of Ghana had seen heavy rainfall last year.

• 1:06:20Laci Mosley?

  The bad weather made the flood warnings seem realistic. So he was raising money on GoFundMe. Now, here's my thing. If I put in a GoFundMe for the ark, do I get a seat?

• 1:06:33Speaker 07

  Right, right.

• 1:06:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, how do I cash that in? Or like, or you know, like, do I need to be around? And also, I'm sorry, if you're holding an iPhone and you're also wearing tatters and I can see your store bought underwear through them, nothing about this is giving like-

• 1:06:48Speaker 07

  Like authentic, like?

• 1:06:50Laci Mosley?

  At all. Local reports say that Ibu, AKA Noah, has constructed around 10 wooden arcs and has also shown livestock in his videos. Yeah, he has just been a carpenter, babes. Like, and also, I'm not getting on a wooden ark. I barely want to get on a metal plane these days, okay?

• 1:07:07Speaker 07

  Oh, there you go. There's the ark.

• 1:07:08Laci Mosley?

  And this is the ark that he's built. Now, I don't know if he built this alone. At least we know the money must be going somewhere, because the ark is kind of... Now, is he putting wheels on the bottom? Because how are we getting these to the ocean? Okay, oh shit.

• 1:07:20Speaker 07

  Oh, are those people working for him?

• 1:07:22Laci Mosley?

  Are these people making the ark?

• 1:07:23Speaker 07

  He's just putting himself in front of them.

• 1:07:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, he just put an image of himself in front of other people. Like he's almost pretending that he's there. It says thousands traveled to Ghana for Noah's Ark flood warning.

• 1:07:37Speaker 07

  Whoa.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  Now, did they or does he just have video of people walking? Who look like they may or may not be Ghanaian? Because all he gave us was a video with large printed text on top. That's not a real source, y'all. That's not a real source. Tell your aunties, tell your aunties. And then the other thing that he did was he inserted a photo of himself that's not moving clearly. And is clearly clipped out from the other photo from his iPhone. And then there's video of people walking in the background and his photo is just stationary in the corner. Like, sir, are you there?

• 1:08:06Speaker 07

  Look at all my followers.

• 1:08:07Laci Mosley?

  Sir, what do you mean? That's like if I posted a video of a concert and the whole crowd is moving. It's just a stationary photo of me like.

• 1:08:15Speaker 07

  Sold out crowd today.

• 1:08:16Laci Mosley?

  It's me, it's me at the concert like.

• 1:08:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:21Laci Mosley?

  Like, I'm not there. What, like, put your finger down. And so, his posts frequently show him fasting, praying, and wearing that sackcloth and tatters. While warning of an impending apocalypse. Critics did point out that in the Bible itself, God actually promises never to pull the apocalyptic flood move again. The rainbow we see after a storm is supposed to symbolize that promise. If God is going to go world ending mode again, he said he'd do it with fire, according to the Bible.

• 1:08:56Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:08:57Laci Mosley?

  If God said the flood, my bad, y'all.

• 1:08:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:59Laci Mosley?

  Y'all give him a rainbow and a pot of gold after the rain, okay? So they can chill out, okay? We ain't gonna flood out again.

• 1:09:06Speaker 07

  But I will burn this shit down.

• 1:09:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but I will fire. I don't know. Like, it sounds like, no, you need to get some fire retardant fits or something like. So other critics have claimed that Ibu, AKA Noah, uses his funds donated by his followers intended for the Ark project to purchase a $90,000 Mercedes Benz.

• 1:09:28Speaker 07

  Oh, what?

• 1:09:31Laci Mosley?

  That photo floating around these images is killing me. It's absolutely killing me.

• 1:09:36Speaker 07

  He's like, see, yours is my car.

• 1:09:37Laci Mosley?

  Now, Ibu, you better not get your ass out of that car. Ibu!

• 1:09:40Speaker 07

  Oh, shit, look at what this tattered.

• 1:09:42Laci Mosley?

  You told us we need to get on a wooden boat, but you driving German engineering? Be for real.

• 1:09:48Speaker 07

  Wow, look at you driving five miles an hour.

• 1:09:50Laci Mosley?

  You don't trust a Carnival cruise, but you told, but you, you in Satan's metal box.

• 1:09:58Laci Mosley?

  So obviously, a biblical flood did not occur on Christmas Day 2025. Eboo now says the flood has been postponed indefinitely due to prayer. He said, "I was fasting, I was praying, I had two skinny cows that were camera shy."

• 1:10:15Speaker 07

  And then I got this Mercedes, so you know, we had to hold off that flood.

• 1:10:17Laci Mosley?

  I had GoFundMe, and God finally picked up on the main line and was like, "Hello, oh y'all don't want no more flood? You know what, don't even worry about the flood, I'ma postpone it."

• 1:10:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, I saw you were fasting and everything, so yeah, I'm gonna hold off on it.

• 1:10:30Laci Mosley?

  I also love that he said indefinitely, because then he's not saying that it's gonna end. He didn't say the flood's not happening. He said indefinitely, so if a later date comes to mind,

• 1:10:43Laci Mosley?

  then the flood back on.

• 1:10:45Speaker 07

  That's so crazy, man. I wonder how much money he raised on the GoFundMe?

• 1:10:50Laci Mosley?

  I mean, he got 90,000 dollar bills. And he got more than one phone.

• 1:10:54Speaker 07

  10 arcs.

• 1:10:55Laci Mosley?

  And he at least got enough wood for one arc.

• 1:10:58Speaker 07

  Brand new boxer briefs.

• 1:11:01Laci Mosley?

  And we only see a part of the arc in that. For all we know, that's a boat that he puts plywood on in the corner, and just walked past half of him and was like, "Cut the camera right there." We don't know. And how do you feel about Eboo Noah?

• 1:11:16Speaker 07

  Aw, that's a scam. Come on.

• 1:11:19Laci Mosley?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:11:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:21Laci Mosley?

  Although, how would we ever know? He might have been praying and fasting for all of us.

• 1:11:26Speaker 07

  He is likable, though, in a lot of ways, yeah.

• 1:11:28Laci Mosley?

  For all we know, he could have stopped it. We don't know. I mean, personally, Eboo Noah, I would be more on the side of your scam if you really, like, stuck with it. Like, get in a video with a bunch of people traveling and get that footage. Do the legwork. You know what I mean? Like, have a boat that has access to the water. Wear the tatters, but don't have modern clothing underneath, and definitely don't be holding an iPhone 16.

• 1:11:53Speaker 07

  Right, yeah. The striped boxers.

• 1:11:55Laci Mosley?

  He was giving me fasting looks, though. He looked like a little skinny, like, maybe he was fasting.

• 1:12:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, but we didn't see him, like, he didn't look like, you know, sitting down like, "Oh, no energy." He's walking around with the cows and shit, like, "Hey, look at it, get the camera angle."

• 1:12:07Laci Mosley?

  Right, and he getting a little mad at the cows. He keep chasing them, like, "Y'all need to be in the video, stop moving over there, bestie got there." "I only can be in this ranch for 10 more minutes, so come on."

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 07

  It's not even his reaction.

• 1:12:21Laci Mosley?

  I love that these were nature scammers. He's like, I'm gonna be in the poop and the shit and, and I'm gonna tell you we need an ark. And then we got, you know, Amelia and Arthur over here were like, we're gonna poison the trees. They're all just kind of like natural scams. Let's run some sage, everybody. You know what I mean?

• 1:12:39Speaker 07

  I need a sage after hearing this.

• 1:12:40Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much for being here today.

• 1:12:41Speaker 07

  Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

• 1:12:43Laci Mosley?

  We always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to plug? Any socials? It could be anything.

• 1:12:48Speaker 07

  Um, yeah, just at Frankie Quinones or at Troll of the Creeper. Please watch my one hour Hulu special called Damn That's Crazy.

• 1:12:55Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Watch Damn That's Crazy. Cause we all know Damn That's Crazy. Yes, on Hulu.

• 1:13:01Speaker 07

  And then please donate to my GoFundMe. I'm trying to build an ark, y'all, because the flood is coming.

• 1:13:05Laci Mosley?

  Damn, that's crazy.

• 1:13:09Laci Mosley?

  And congregation, you can follow me at D I V A L A C I D, Diva Lacy, on our platforms. You can follow me at Laci Mosley on TikTok. You can follow for to see all of the tatters and the images that we've shown you today on Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. And if you want to see videos, you can catch little clips on our Scam Goddess Instagram and also Scam Goddess TikTok. I'm gonna be putting all types of things up there. Congregation, you know you can get my book Hulu. You can get Scam Goddess, the television show, and finally Go In Touch on Hulu. You can stream it right now. Uh, congregation, I really want to get y'all out there. And I want you to stay gardening, okay? Everyone has a green thumb. And if you have a brown thumb, use that for plant murder. Or if you have a brown thumb, get, walk around in some cow doo doo and, and, and maybe build

• 1:13:53Laci Mosley?

  an ark. Cause damn, that's crazy. On Hulu right now.

• 1:14:01Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Laci Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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