The Hospice Hustlers w/ Matt Apodaca (Fraud Friday)

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by Matt Apodaca (Get Played Podcast) to discuss how Marsha Farmer, a hospice worker, contributed to massive fraud practices in Mississippi. Plus, a former officer from the Johnson County Sheriff’s office in Kansas was caught trying to scam a store out of nearly $400 worth of Pokémon cards. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 01/16/2023) CW: Mention of wrongful death and Malpractice Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Matt Apodaca: @mattapodaca Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/12/05/how-hospice-became-a-for-profit-hustle https://www.kgns.tv/content/news/Former-Rio-Bravo-mayor-and-others-found-guilty-oin-150-million-scheme-564587861.html https://kotaku.com/pokemon-cards-scam-police-cop-caught-kansas-card-box-1849778286

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• 1:58Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:40Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's a new year, right? New year, new me, new we. I'm playing, we gonna do the same damn thing. Y'all, welcome to Scam Goddess Podcast, the podcast all about fraud, robbery, those who practice it, maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. Let's hop on this Friday together. And as all of you who have been with me through thick and thin over the years, you know I'm very, yes, excited. We have a friend on the show, which y'all know tends to get messy. Friend on the show. Today, we have the amazing writer and comedian. He's a UCB alum, along with yours truly. We actually were on some teams at the cult together. He hosts and produces the podcast Get Played. Congregation, please welcome Matt Apodaca to the show.

• 3:25Speaker 05

  Hello. Wow, can I just say, I just love your whole thing.

• 3:30Laci Mosley?

  I love your whole thing, Matt.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 3:32Laci Mosley?

  You've been in the podcast game much longer than I have. We were just saying before we sat down that we've been doing this for a long time, and now we're here.

• 3:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, I think it is safe to say we met in the year 2015. Would you agree or disagree?

• 3:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's when I moved to Los Angeles.

• 3:46Speaker 05

  That's right, yeah, we met shortly after you got here.

• 3:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, very shortly.

• 3:50Speaker 05

  I remember us being placed on a mess hall team.

• 3:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's like, no one's gonna know what that is, Matt. Why would you even say that? So, improv is so embarrassing.

• 3:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, every time it's ever been depicted in TV or movies and stuff, I'm always like, why'd they make it so embarrassing? And then it's like, oh, it's because it's the worst fucking thing you could do.

• 4:08Laci Mosley?

  And writers always hate it. If you ever say anything about improv, it's always, I remember there's like a Family Guy joke that was like, the only person who loses an improv is the audience.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  Oh, yes, yes. It's like, it's just so bad. But it's like what we did and, you know.

• 4:19Laci Mosley?

  I mean, we still do it. I love how we're saying it in past tense because we just don't want you guys to know. We're like, it's trash, y'all. I'm like, why would anybody do that? Also, can I get a word?

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. It's, it's, I would say at this point, for me, uh, with, uh, it seems like it's, uh, in the past tense based on, uh, how many shows they're asking me to do.

• 4:37Laci Mosley?

  Grown adults with kids doing make them up.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  Exactly, I know. But practicing in somebody's living room, we're all in our thirties.

• 4:43Laci Mosley?

  We've at least, we don't do the living room no more because we was like, this is just down bad. We cannot be running around the coffee table.

• 4:49Speaker 05

  I can't, I can't have your significant other coming into the room being like, are you guys done yet?

• 4:56Laci Mosley?

  That was always the worst. Yo, I had one roommate who like, we hated each other. And, um, we met, it was like circumstance, you know, that was my first, I don't know if you ever practiced at my place, but one time, a couple times we had to practice there, and she would come in all mad as shit slamming all the, uh, fucking, uh, cabinets and shit and staring down the improv team. Just like, I've never seen somebody work so hard to make people uncomfortable. What a bitch. And then she knew I was doing it. I asked to practice. And it wasn't all the time. It was only when we couldn't find somebody else's living room.

• 5:23Speaker 05

  Do you think it's because she had like, banger initiations that she couldn't do? And then she was like, I'm not even on this team, but like, I could, I have a perfect tag for this?

• 5:32Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, there's a fine art to being a bitch. And she really perfected it. I had never seen anybody just be this, such a bitch so hard.

• 5:39Speaker 05

  I do agree with that.

• 5:40Laci Mosley?

  She came in with tactics.

• 5:41Speaker 05

  Sometimes when you see it happening, it is just sort of like, wow, like actually, no notes. That was fantastic.

• 5:48Laci Mosley?

  You are evil. Good for you.

• 5:50Speaker 05

  Wow, you're a capital B bitch. Congratulations.

• 5:52Laci Mosley?

  Somebody gotta be a villain, you know, and wear great costumes and be in the Marvel Universe, but just in real life.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it is very much just like, it is a skill. Cause like, you have to sort of really like, put everything else behind you and be like, I don't actually care how I seem. This is directly getting in way, in the way of what I want, and I don't like that.

• 6:10Laci Mosley?

  When I come in the room and everything falls quiet because they're talking about me, I'm like, I don't care. More.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  Exactly. Oh, I loved that.

• 6:18Laci Mosley?

  When people see me out in public and I see them hide behind a shelf. Cause they don't wanna talk to me.

• 6:23Speaker 05

  There are so many shelves in public that there are just people like hiding, reaching. There's not enough room behind this one. I gotta hide.

• 6:31Laci Mosley?

  We walk into a Publix or something, everyone's like, is there an attack happening? Why is everyone like jumping and dodging behind the, oh no, that's just me. Everybody hates me.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  Don't worry, there is no active event happening. It's just me.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  But if I ever found out, if I ever found out anybody hated me, oh boy, would ruin my life.

• 6:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh man, I know.

• 6:50Speaker 05

  It would ruin my life.

• 6:51Laci Mosley?

  I'm somewhere on the bitch Kenzie scale, cause I know there's people out there who hate me. I can't help it. Every now and then I just gotta cuss a motherfucker out and so we go in on bad terms. And that's, that's the cancer in areas in me. I'm so sorry.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  You got, yeah, it's gotta happen. Sometimes you believe you know.

• 7:03Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna tell you where to go and how to get there. I'm, I'm trying not to do it as often anymore. But sometimes I, I, one time I used to be, I cussed somebody out and got a standing ovation from Valley Line that I didn't realize had been listening to every word. So you know, sometimes yikes, that be happening.

• 7:16Speaker 05

  Everywhere she goes, Lacey's got a captive audience.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  We love it.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  Good or bad?

• 7:21Speaker 05

  We love it.

• 7:22Laci Mosley?

  But.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  They can't stop looking at her.

• 7:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh God, no. Hopefully not that. I'm trying to be incognito, just the most invisible Negro, okay?

• 7:31Laci Mosley?

  If I ever go missing, I want them to be like, she had a, nothing that lit up any room. We never knew she was there.

• 7:37Speaker 05

  Last scene, wearing a cancel me daddy hat.

• 7:40Laci Mosley?

  Lacey was like a, a, a cool breeze. You felt it, but you never really knew.

• 7:45Speaker 05

  That's exactly what everyone would say. They, no one would ever say she had the command of every room she walked in.

• 7:51Laci Mosley?

  It was like, we felt like she was here.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, oh, Lacey, yeah, I guess I know who that is.

• 7:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she loved eating chips, so we know she was in there touching stuff.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  She loved chips.

• 8:00Laci Mosley?

  Dorito dust, everywhere she went. But Matt, we always love to ask on the show, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you love them? Do you hate them? It could be anything.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  I don't know if I love them or hate them. I do like hearing about them, so like. Like, hearing about them from you is like fun and I've always known that to be like your thing and I would always be like, oh, Lacey's got the mess. Let's go. I want to hear more about this.

• 8:20Laci Mosley?

  So you're more of a voyeur. Like, if there was a scam sex party, like, you're gonna be the one, like, walking past the rooms, like, what y'all doing in here?

• 8:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm gonna be walking past all the rooms. I'm gonna be there for sure. First of all, I'm invited.

• 8:29Laci Mosley?

  Sex parties have hella pizza.

• 8:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, oh, yeah, uh, wait, there's fucking cold ones here?

• 8:35Laci Mosley?

  Which is not a sexy food to me. I haven't personally been to one. I'm very curious, but my friends who, like, go to sex parties, like, there's always, for some reason, like, a lot of them have pizza.

• 8:42Speaker 05

  I can guarantee you, I'll probably live the rest of my life never being invited to one and probably never being at one.

• 8:48Laci Mosley?

  You're not giving a sex party vibe?

• 8:49Speaker 05

  I'm not giving that. Yeah, I'm always just like, wait, this starts when? 9:30? I'm in bed, dawg.

• 8:57Laci Mosley?

  We can have a sex party at noon.

• 8:58Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, people are at work.

• 9:01Laci Mosley?

  Could you imagine?

• 9:02Speaker 05

  Can I, uh, take the day off from work today? I have a dentist appointment.

• 9:07Laci Mosley?

  Matt, where are all those whips?

• 9:09Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, it's, uh, you know, I got a crazy dentist. Um, but my relationship to scams, I've been scammed.

• 9:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 9:17Speaker 05

  I, I remember.

• 9:18Laci Mosley?

  I have too. When'd you get scammed?

• 9:19Speaker 05

  I've been scammed. I, I've been almost scammed very recently, but I remember a, a particular instance. I was at the gas station.

• 9:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so a lot of scams happen there.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  I was filling up my tank and filling up, I was putting like $20 in. I was like a broke college student.

• 9:33Laci Mosley?

  So you were moving that, that needle, like?

• 9:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was like, okay, I gotta get a quarter tank. I gotta go two places before then I could ride E again. I gotta go somewhere.

• 9:43Laci Mosley?

  Wait, I don't want to derail you, but I do have to say, remember when I ran out of gas and you saw me on the road?

• 9:50Laci Mosley?

  Matt drove past me on the middle of Sunset Boulevard.

• 9:54Speaker 05

  Wait, what are you doing?

• 9:56Laci Mosley?

  I was like, oh, uh, so my gas is on. It was very much like, I know my car and then I forgot.

• 10:02Speaker 05

  But it was also just sort of like, I would, at that time, I would sort of put, knowing how much gas is in your car, at like the bottom of your list?

• 10:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, it was very low priority.

• 10:12Speaker 05

  Like, I, look, it's, it's either in there or it's not. I got things to do.

• 10:16Laci Mosley?

  So I feel like I never get scammed at the gas station because they, like, see my car coming in on a tow truck or I'm never there. They're like, okay, we're not scamming her. Her car is literally being towed over here for gas.

• 10:25Speaker 05

  The gas that you get gets put in by somebody who drove to you to put it in. You got, you get a boutique gas delivery.

• 10:33Laci Mosley?

  AAA gas, okay, which is not cheap, but that whole red can theory, that shit don't work on every car. Cause I tried that. I was like, let me go get a red pal like they do in the movies and that shit was not going in.

• 10:42Speaker 05

  I can guarantee you if I tried to do that, I'm bursting into flames afterward. There's no way I'm doing it.

• 10:48Laci Mosley?

  I just come up with three empty Gatorade bottles to the pump.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  Like, okay, well, this is, um, Lacey, this is mango extremo. This is not gas.

• 10:56Speaker 05

  This is kiwi strawberry. What are you doing?

• 10:57Laci Mosley?

  Do you think 40 ounces of gas will get me enough? Cause I got my, um,

• 11:01Speaker 05

  Wait, what do you mean ounces?

• 11:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, you go, you filled up a fucking hydro flask.

• 11:07Laci Mosley?

  A Yeti full of gas. Like, I gotta funnel. But okay, so you're at the gas station where a lot of scams happen and what happened?

• 11:14Speaker 05

  And like, I probably have $40 on me, period. And I'm using 20 to put in the gas tank. I'm also not using a card. I was like, I'm paying in cash.

• 11:23Laci Mosley?

  Smart.

• 11:24Speaker 05

  At the time, I feel like now, I just, I can't remember the last time I had cash on me. You just don't do it anymore, kind of. They told you not to, I guess, during the pandemic. Like, don't touch money.

• 11:32Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Cash have been full of cocaine and, and stripper booty hole for forever. And now they're like, there's a pandemic, guys. So, don't touch money.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  Look, Fauci said it, okay? I don't take it from me. It was freaking Fauci.

• 11:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and the CDC, which just turned into vibes there.

• 11:50Speaker 05

  It's all vibes. But I'm at the gas station and this guy comes up to me and he's like, hey, like, your headlights, they're pretty dirty. And I could like clean those up for you pretty good. And I was sort of like, oh, you know, I'm like in a rush, which is like not true. But I'm like, I don't want to talk to anybody at the gas station.

• 12:05Laci Mosley?

  You're in a rush to get away from that man, yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 05

  And this is, I'll keep, I'll tell you this, broad daylight as well.

• 12:09Laci Mosley?

  So how could he even tell how dirty your headlights are?

• 12:11Speaker 05

  Because they were like, I was driving a Jeep Cherokee Laredo at the time.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  You were off-roading like at a TV commercial?

• 12:16Speaker 05

  They were sort of like foggy, kind of like, not like dirty, dirty, but like sort of like they, the glass had fogged up in such a way that like, it was opaque, kind of like, it wasn't like very clear.

• 12:25Laci Mosley?

  So when you were driving at night, were your headlights giving like lo-fi?

• 12:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was sort of giving like it follows. When I was driving, like sort of like eight twenty-four lighting on the.

• 12:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we don't want, we don't want mood lights on the road, man. Okay, maybe my homeboy had a point.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  And so he's like, I could just, let me just show you one. Can I just show you one? I'll clean one up. And if you like it, you can pay me. And I was like, okay, if you're just gonna do one, do it, I guess.

• 12:48Laci Mosley?

  This is giving like very nineties.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  My big mistake.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  Problematic crackhead in a movie.

• 12:53Speaker 05

  I would say he was, um.

• 12:54Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Friday.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  I can't remember like what kind of man he was, but he was like, he seemed like a, like a normal man. Like, that's why I was sort of like, I guess, willing to go the one step further with this guy.

• 13:05Laci Mosley?

  He's like, just one light. Let me touch on one light. Okay. Just the tip.

• 13:08Speaker 05

  Cause he was sort of, I think, he was giving, he was giving sort of Billy Mays kind of where I was sort of like.

• 13:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so he might have been Shamwowing.

• 13:15Speaker 05

  I thought so. I thought that I was gonna get Shamwowed.

• 13:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 13:17Speaker 05

  And.

• 13:18Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so what happened?

• 13:20Speaker 05

  So he, he cleans one off and I was like, oh yeah, that's cool. And he's like, okay, it's gonna be sixty dollars if I do the other one. I was like, okay, well, I'm not gonna do that.

• 13:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and I'm gonna have one good life and sixty.

• 13:30Speaker 05

  I was like, okay, no thanks. That's, that's a little too much. And then he was trying to get me down to the price and he was like, okay, my daughter's in the van over there and she's sick and she wants food. And I was like, okay, I know this isn't true, like in my head, but I also know that this man is not gonna leave me alone.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's when you gotta hop in the car like on some Scooby Doo shit, Matt.

• 13:50Speaker 05

  I reached into my wallet and gave him twenty dollars.

• 13:52Laci Mosley?

  All you had was forty.

• 13:54Speaker 05

  I know. And I used twenty of it on gas. I had no money. I went home.

• 13:57Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Wow. See, why you ain't hit him back? Like, this the only twenty that I got, Mr. Sir?

• 14:03Speaker 05

  And then it cut, cut to me coming home. Matt, why is one of your headlights spotless? I gotta tell everybody. They're like, Matt, you got scammed.

• 14:10Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so he didn't even give you the other headlight after you gave him the twenty?

• 14:12Speaker 05

  He only did the one.

• 14:13Laci Mosley?

  See, that's, okay, okay. In the future, guys, when y'all need to get away from people, just make an excuse. Matt, if you a guy in your car and be like, oh, you know what? Let me get some more cash. Get in your car, lock the doors and then just like drive away.

• 14:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I absolutely should have done that.

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  Cause he might have gotten hostile. So you're right to like.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  Like here's, but also I was like, I guess he could have taken my whole wallet if he wanted, but it was like, it was during the day. Like I was, it was at like a, a gas station in a big parking lot, like where there's a grocery store and a bunch of cameras and stuff. So it was just sort of like, I felt safe to give the last money that I had.

• 14:44Laci Mosley?

  Well, your other option, Miss Cam, is just start hollering.

• 14:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:49Laci Mosley?

  Like, what is, I think that's like the most jarring thing you can do. Somebody's like, no, my daughter's sick in the car. She needs the sixty and I already cleaned one. Ahhhhh.

• 14:58Speaker 05

  Go full Kermit.

• 15:00Laci Mosley?

  Just start flailing and screaming till they go away. Like, what's the response to that? How does anyone humanly respond to someone who just starts screaming?

• 15:09Speaker 05

  Oh, shoot. This guy's going crazy. I better get out of here.

• 15:12Laci Mosley?

  Like, go full Talladega Nights. Help me, help me, Tom Cruise! Ah!

• 15:17Speaker 05

  Like, um, actually, sir, you said you were gonna give me that $20, though? Like, no one's gonna be, like, following up with this man.

• 15:22Laci Mosley?

  But the $20, hey, hey! No, just start screaming and flailing.

• 15:25Speaker 05

  But then, when I was in Italy recently, these people, they come, I was prepared for this, too. I was told, I'd never been to Europe before.

• 15:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the Europe girlies are going to rob you. They can tell who the out-of-towners are, and they're coming.

• 15:35Speaker 05

  They were so, uh, I was prepped. My, my girlfriend's dad is English, and they've been to, uh, Europe a lot, and I'd never been out of the country before. And so they both prepped me. Hey, there's gonna be people, they're gonna come up to you, they're gonna wanna put a bracelet on your wrist. Don't do it.

• 15:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I've heard of this one.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  And I was like, okay. I get there, first day, some guy in, like, a, like, a, the square, like, in front of a church. Hey, big man! I was like, what's up, man?

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 15:59Speaker 05

  I start talking to this guy.

• 16:01Laci Mosley?

  Matt, did he scam you because he called you big man?

• 16:04Speaker 05

  He almost did. He had the bracelet on my wrist.

• 16:06Laci Mosley?

  Was it height flattery, Matt?

• 16:08Speaker 05

  It was, well, and then, uh, later on that same day, a different guy.

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  He said, "Big man, me? My big ass?"

• 16:14Speaker 05

  I got called, I got called big man and playboy in the same day.

• 16:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, shit, okay, they got, he said, "Mr. Sexy." Mr. Sexy, me?

• 16:20Speaker 05

  I was walking on cloud nine. I was like, these Europeans!

• 16:23Laci Mosley?

  Then, did you get scammed? Because it sounds like they made you feel good.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  No, they, I, I, well, yeah, that's the thing. I was like, hey, they gave me a compliment? What's the worst that can happen? Uh, but my girlfriend came over and was like, no, no, no, no, he doesn't want this, and took the bracelet off my wrist and, like, gave it back to him. Because we saw it happening to other people, too, and we were just like, oh, wow! And so we started reading about the, sort of, like, tourism scams that you can run into. And so I was prepared for some other ones along the way that I didn't, uh, participate in.

• 16:50Laci Mosley?

  But it's almost like, like, you know, when the dare dog was being, like, saying all the drugs, and we was like, hell, no, fuck them drugs! If anybody tried to give me drugs, I'm gonna stab them! Like, yeah! And then, you know, somebody offer you some drugs, you're like, y'all look like y'all having fun!

• 17:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, you guys are having, like, the chillest, nicest time?

• 17:04Laci Mosley?

  Let me just have a taste of the drugs.

• 17:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is just gonna, like, make me wanna, like, I don't know?

• 17:09Laci Mosley?

  Dance?

• 17:10Speaker 05

  Dance, or, like, laugh a lot with my friends?

• 17:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. What is this weed? One weed, please?

• 17:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, wait, I can go to sleep right now? Give me that.

• 17:18Laci Mosley?

  And the Darrell I was just like, fuck, man. Like, I prepared y'all for this.

• 17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and the moment, sometimes things are different, especially when someone's in your

• 17:25Speaker 05

  They gotta change, they gotta change that whole program to be like, hey, you know which ones we're talking about.

• 17:29Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, come on, like, let's be for real, like, weed is a gateway, come on now, it ain't gateway to me to nothing.

• 17:35Speaker 05

  Do what you're gonna do, but you know the ones we're saying are bad, right?

• 17:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, crack, come on, has that ever even sounded good, like, hey, y'all, come over, we got so much crack, like, and then, you know, if you be like, oh, we got bottles, we'll be like, oh, yeah, well, let's pop 'em, but, you know, oh, yeah, y'all, come over, we got all the needles, no, that doesn't sound as good.

• 17:49Speaker 05

  If you can find it in a gutter, like, a paraphernalia, like, no one's dropping their, like, their one hitter, or like, their, like, bong, in, like, leaving that discarded somewhere. If you've seen this on the streets somewhere, you don't wanna do that.

• 18:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the ones you don't wanna try, cuz, like, why are people doing them in the streets and not at home?

• 18:06Speaker 05

  The urgency to, you know, but I've seen Nas canisters in the streets, so maybe that's not a fair judgment.

• 18:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's true, that's very true. But, yeah, so, at least you're prepared for the European scams, and I'm glad that you had an advocate there who could help you.

• 18:17Speaker 05

  Yes, yeah.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  If not the screaming technique, y'all, I'm telling you, try it, write it.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  I wanna hear, I wanna hear about people doing this, I want to hear about people being like, and I just started screaming.

• 18:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I think, I think it's a tactic that works.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:30Laci Mosley?

  Scam!

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• 19:03Speaker 02

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• 19:18Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you, you're not alone. One of the best guys that I dated, he made a Point to memorize all my food allergies. So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.

• 20:00Speaker 01

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• 20:32Laci Mosley?

  And we are back and it's time for what's hot and fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams on the street or more often than not, these days we get a letter from you guys. It's always snitch on your friends and family at scamgotuspod at gmail dot com. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. So I just need a fake name for this person, Matt. We don't care about gender on the show. It can be anything.

• 20:51Speaker 05

  Oh, how about Sandy?

• 20:53Laci Mosley?

  Sandy, I think that's a perfect name for this person. So Sandy says that this is their grocery store scam. So one of the big grocery chains loves to do pilot programs at my local store, probably because it's a newer location in a wealthy white area. Damn. And I guess they trust white people when no one should? Question mark. This was Sandy. I'm dead. So this new program says that they created was called Scan Bag Go. You take a little handheld scanner from a kiosk by the door and scan items before putting them straight into your bag. At the end of your shopping excursion, you would scan a barcode at self checkout where it would populate a list of items you scanned. Then you'd pay and leave. Hence, scan, bag, go.

• 21:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:36Laci Mosley?

  So I imagine this is going to turn into scam bag go real fast.

• 21:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, or bag go.

• 21:42Laci Mosley?

  Bad go.

• 21:43Speaker 05

  They're gonna miss a step.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  The scanner they gonna have, "Oh, you got a scam for you, bad go?"

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I didn't, ah.

• 21:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I ain't read that.

• 21:50Speaker 05

  The sign was obscured.

• 21:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I just read, "Bad go." So I put everything in my bag and I left like y'all had wanted.

• 21:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:57Laci Mosley?

  Also, I love that grocery stores continue to try to scam us as consumers by making us employees when we come to the motherfucking grocery store.

• 22:04Speaker 05

  Hey, I know you're shopping here, but you work here now.

• 22:08Laci Mosley?

  We're in few places.

• 22:09Speaker 05

  Hey, you want a job?

• 22:10Laci Mosley?

  Like, no, I don't. Well, guess what you have, one bitch?

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  You want this, you want this hammer and all?

• 22:15Speaker 05

  And it's also like, they're trying this out in a white, like, at a white store.

• 22:21Laci Mosley?

  Assuming that white people don't steal when like that's their culture.

• 22:24Speaker 05

  They're gonna be the number one doing it. They're gonna be the number one people doing this. You will never catch a person of color doing it because guess what?

• 22:30Laci Mosley?

  White people were stealing people. White people steal ideas. White people, that's a, that's a cornerstone of their culture. Honestly, just like how, you know, indigenous people don't want people wearing their garb, you know, at Halloween. Well, you know, we also should not be robbers because that's white culture.

• 22:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We actually shouldn't be doing that. Yeah. And we, you know, people say white people don't have culture. It is actually stealing.

• 22:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's them. They have, what do you call museums? That's where they put all their loot.

• 22:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:54Laci Mosley?

  They're like, "Look at all this shit that we stole."

• 22:56Speaker 05

  And, but like, I, I also just feel like, I work, I mean, I worked at a grocery store and loss prevention, let me tell you something, is never looking at white people. So they can get away with it scot-free. They don't need this program.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  Right, which is wild. They could really go in and just bag and go. Like, they're like, like, la, la, la. They doing that at every store.

• 23:12Speaker 05

  What I'm saying is, you gotta try this in a different neighborhood and then see, the program will be a success.

• 23:16Laci Mosley?

  If you're white, consider more theft. I mean, you might as well use your privilege.

• 23:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like that's something.

• 23:22Laci Mosley?

  Donate some to a food bank, you know, really even it out in the world.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, we should really be encouraging white people to like, really be stepping out and doing their privilege.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  What is Robin Hood? That's lore.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  It's lore. That fox was white. We know it.

• 23:35Laci Mosley?

  So, obviously, they're not looking at the Caucasian girlies when they're coming into the store. So when this program was going on, I was broke as shit. I could barely afford to exist. Working at a nonprofit is also a scam. Yes, I know that, Sandy. So Sandy says, "I'll walk to the grocery store, so I use a handcart with wheels to carry my groceries back home. I regularly use self-checkout because baggers don't know how to pack my bag correctly without giving me a bajillion extra." Okay, listen, Sandy go to the grocery store. She said, "I have particular ways."

• 24:02Speaker 05

  "I have a particular set of skills."

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  Yes, she said, "The eggs on the bottom and the bread on top of the eggs. Stop fucking with me."

• 24:08Speaker 05

  And eggs on the bottom, that's it. Like, I'm not, you think there's a can going in the bag on top of the eggs? Think again, bitch.

• 24:17Laci Mosley?

  I'll beat your ass. Sandy just constantly fighting at the checkout way with the bagger.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  You wanted to put that there? Guess what? I was speaking to your manager, babe.

• 24:25Laci Mosley?

  You put my cold milk next to my hot rotisserie chicken?

• 24:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet you this ice cream's going by the rotisserie chicken. I didn't have a new one. That's like the hottest thing you can get there.

• 24:36Laci Mosley?

  It is like the hottest thing you can get in a grocery store. What else is coming out smoking hot at a grocery store?

• 24:40Speaker 05

  Those tenders, aren't they?

• 24:40Laci Mosley?

  Nah, hell no. Oh, no. Uh-uh, never that. So, I like the Scan Bag Go program because I could pack my bag once I had shopped and I didn't have to take ages at the self-checkout. So I figured out, since no one had checked you, if you scanned everything in your bag, I could just scan a few items and then put them in my handcart and ignore the rest.

• 24:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:59Laci Mosley?

  On average, I would skip roughly 50 to 60% of my groceries.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  That's not some. That's most.

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  That's most. Sandy, Sandy, the math is not mathing.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  I just do some. I just do some. I'll just go with it.

• 25:14Laci Mosley?

  I just do a little bit, just like whatever I could carry, you know, just a little tape. That's all. Sandy, I love you. I love the presentation of this. You're a scammer even how you wrote this. Uh-uh, Sandy said, then she said sometimes 75%.

• 25:27Speaker 05

  Okay, that's a-

• 25:30Speaker 05

  Where I'm from, that's a B minus. That's almost all of it.

• 25:33Laci Mosley?

  And also Sandy, okay, but Sandy says that always the expensive items and I'd walk out without anyone stopping me. So if you can make your volume stuff, the stuff you pay for and then the expensive stuff be small.

• 25:47Speaker 05

  Taken, yeah, the rotisserie chicken not getting scanned.

• 25:49Laci Mosley?

  Cause it's like, did y'all see Sandy walked out of here? She paid eight ninety-nine and she had a full cart.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  I think I saw a turkey in there, a whole turkey.

• 25:56Laci Mosley?

  I know a turkey on this one is more than eight ninety-nine. Yeah, I mean, let me ask, look, Sandy was white, so we will be asking, no questions.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, hey, I'm minding my business.

• 26:06Laci Mosley?

  Listen, truly, didn't see a damn thing, didn't see a thing. So some expensive items like protein powder have a metallic barcode sticker to trigger an alarm. To get around this, I pretend I was really considering the items while I peeled off the barcode and stuck it to the shelf.

• 26:19Speaker 05

  So this is going a step further than not scanning it. This was premeditated theft.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm gonna steal this.

• 26:31Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna appropriate this because Sandy, you onto some shit. Also, I love that she was standing in the store like, hmm, do a way, metabolic way, hmm, creatine. As she slowly peels off the label. She's like, let me read more. Cause she pulling out her glasses.

• 26:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, getting her readers out.

• 26:48Laci Mosley?

  Getting her readers out. Yeah, you know Sandy got some fold up upable readers. She pulling out like.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  Wait, what is in this?

• 26:56Laci Mosley?

  Ah, interesting. And they're like, Sandy really cares about her health. She be reading all the labels.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I love it.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  So they discontinued the program after a little over a year, probably because people were stealing so much. And a little over, people, Sandy, I think you killed this program. I think, I think it was you, cause you just told us that you was stealing seventy-five percent of what you.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  Seventy-five percent, might as well. It's so much. What stopped you from going to eighty?

• 27:21Laci Mosley?

  Truly. Sandy, at this point, why don't you just start, you know, some of the shelves got wheels, just roll the whole motherfucking shelf out, bitch.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  Well, I guess the program discontinued. I was gonna say, one last score, go for 100%. I think you can do it. If you can do 75%, you can do all of it.

• 27:34Laci Mosley?

  Sandy, I know that you just got the vibe of like a elegant white lady. Like you said you work at a nonprofit.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  It's Winona Ryder.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it's Winona.

• 27:43Speaker 05

  And she did nothing wrong, by the way.

• 27:44Laci Mosley?

  No, she did. She was having fun. And Winona has been working since she was a child. She deserves to steal from high-end stores. Y'all should give Winona that stuff.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  They made her the face of the campaign after that.

• 27:53Laci Mosley?

  And I'm so sad for Winona because she, that whole thing happened during a tabloid time where people were so bored that like, it was a story for months and months and months. If Winona went and hit up Saks right now and rolled out with a cart of Louboutins, nobody would care. The news cycle is so fast.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  If you're listening.

• 28:08Laci Mosley?

  Winona, get back in the game.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  You could do it right now.

• 28:10Laci Mosley?

  Get back in the game. No, no. No, no. Get out in these streets. Okay, start saying no to purchasing a gift.

• 28:16Speaker 05

  And say, yes, yes.

• 28:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. And say, yes, yes. We'll support you. I'll be at the march. Oh, make signs.

• 28:22Speaker 05

  I can't pay your bail because I bet you it would be really expensive for a second offense, but I will contribute to the GoFundMe.

• 28:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I will contribute to Winona. The person who needs it the least.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, a rich white lady.

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  But we will give it to you just for the thrill.

• 28:35Speaker 05

  Oh, well, put me in the dock.

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so they discontinued the program. Yeah, after you discontinued it, Sandy, but I love that for you. Probably because people were stealing so much, probably. In a little over a year, I think I stole close to $4,000 worth of groceries, including kitchen gadgets, a 25-piece Rubbermaid set, and a new toaster.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  That's, this is, this has gone.

• 28:55Laci Mosley?

  She got, boy, a toaster?

• 28:57Speaker 05

  This is a misdemeanor offense.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  She said, I got six neutral bullets.

• 29:02Speaker 05

  A 25-piece Rubbermaid.

• 29:06Laci Mosley?

  Listen, people, first of all, Tupperware should be free. The way we all steal it and use it, it's just like a communicable resource. It's just like a road, you know? We all take it from other people and we all give it away and never see it again.

• 29:17Speaker 05

  The only place doing this, Thai restaurants. They're giving you pretty solid, durable.

• 29:23Laci Mosley?

  They know the vibes.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  They know they're like, hey, you're gonna use this again?

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  Just wash it.

• 29:27Laci Mosley?

  Just wash it, babe.

• 29:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, don't put it in the dishwasher.

• 29:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cuz it is gonna get that color stain on it.

• 29:31Speaker 05

  It's gonna shrink a little bit.

• 29:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 05

  It's not gonna quite seal, not gonna keep it as fresh, but if you wanna use this a couple more times.

• 29:35Laci Mosley?

  Just hand wash it, we got you, boo, at the Thai spot.

• 29:37Speaker 05

  Your girlfriend's gonna throw it away and you're not gonna notice, but.

• 29:39Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, that's why I get all my rubber made at the Thai food place. So now the grocery store has cameras above the self-checkout that look at your bag to see if you're stealing. A hater move if I've ever seen one. Can I just say, Sandy, I ain't never seen nobody case a motherfucking grocery store like you. You done found out about the barcode before you walk out the door. You know they done put in new cameras.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  Is this one of the characters from Good Girls?

• 30:01Laci Mosley?

  It's giving good girls. Like, I feel like Sandy gonna be like, update, I robbed the grocery store.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, um, wait, is this Emily the criminal writing?

• 30:12Laci Mosley?

  So it says grocery stores have a built-in budget for theft and this is a mega corpse. I had absolutely zero guilt doing it and frankly, I'd do it again. Pay your employees more and stop putting baby formula behind lock and key. Fuck the man and stay scheming.

• 30:24Speaker 05

  Okay, she made points.

• 30:25Laci Mosley?

  You made absolute points.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  And that's interesting.

• 30:27Laci Mosley?

  Now, one of the points not being, just stop putting the baby formula behind lock and key cuz you, you would go steal it.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're like, uh, and not because you have a baby, you want it.

• 30:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right?

• 30:37Speaker 05

  But I wanna taste it, I've had everything else in the store. I'm gonna mix some of this up.

• 30:41Laci Mosley?

  She's just stealing hot chicken items for fun, it's supermarket sweep at this point, just like, let me get the dog food. Right, I don't even got a dog, but I just wanna take the most expensive shit y'all got, the high-end cheeses. Like, I'm lactose intolerant.

• 30:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I want that, that wheel of Brie back there.

• 30:57Laci Mosley?

  But I will say, formula shouldn't be under lock and key.

• 30:59Speaker 05

  No, absolutely not.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  If people need to steal formula, let them steal it, they're stealing it for an unemployed baby, like, what the fuck? A mess. Robbery!

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• 31:39Speaker 02

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 31:53Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone. One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies. So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 32:35Speaker 01

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• 33:06Laci Mosley?

  And we're back, and it's time for Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will regale Matt with a famous con caper group of criminals. Well, maybe we like them, maybe we hate them. We'll see along the way. But y'all know that this show is not a scam, so we are always going to give props in our footnotes. You can click the links to any research that Kaelyn Brandt, our amazing researcher, pulls up. But also, we love to shout out when a good bit comes from one place. When, you know, I don't know, a little bit, like 75% comes from one place. Shout out to Sandy.

• 33:35Speaker 05

  Also, by the way, I feel like... We were roasting Sandy pretty hard.

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  We love you Sandy.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  We love you Sandy.

• 33:40Laci Mosley?

  No Sandy, we're in on it and we're-

• 33:42Speaker 05

  But you know what you did.

• 33:43Laci Mosley?

  You know what you did and we love what you did. So, uh, much of this research comes from the story, uh, Ava Kaufman's New Yorker investigation, which was titled "How Hospice Became a For-Profit Hustle." And obviously like hospice is, we're talking about people getting end-of-life care. So this is a sensitive subject, but when we get into this y'all, what this lady was doing, you'll see how hilarious this is.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  We're gonna laugh.

• 34:09Laci Mosley?

  We are gonna laugh. We are gonna laugh in the face of death, which is what we do every day, living in America.

• 34:15Speaker 05

  Thank you very much. It's a joke to be alive.

• 34:18Laci Mosley?

  Truly. I laugh. I'm like, wow, I made it another day. Woo, they tried. As Miley Cyrus once said, "They tried to kill your favorite bitch, okay?" And they try every day. So, since the opening of the first American hospice facility in Connecticut in 1974, hospice care has grown from a series of charities to a $22 billion industry-funded, almost entirely by taxpayer money. But with such massive profits has come massive fraud, duh. With only a handful of whistleblowers that stand against it. Because you're scamming the government and the government is a scam.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I feel like, like societally, the last people that people care about are like old people unfortunately.

• 34:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, or people who are in their last days being comfortable. I just feel like it's hard to get people ramped up to be like, "They over there doing fraud to them people." It's like, nobody's gonna-

• 35:06Speaker 05

  It's like, okay, well-

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we're not walking, that's like walking into St. Jude's and being like, "Move out of the way kids, we got fraud to detect." It's like that with the, you know?

• 35:12Speaker 05

  They're not doing it, yeah.

• 35:13Laci Mosley?

  Whatever they doing over there, as long as people being taken care of, we're, it's none of our business.

• 35:17Speaker 05

  Take care only. That's all I want to hear about. Drake style.

• 35:20Laci Mosley?

  So, uh, Sarah Care is what we're talking about today. So, Marsha Farmer entered the hospice care business in 2002 as a "community educator", in parentheses, "who taught and marketed to potential patients about the benefits of end-of-life care." Within a year, she became an executive director of her local office of hospice in South Monroeville, Alabama. However, what might have become as a virtuous calling changed in 2004. Wow, only two years.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  She saw that she was leaving money on the table.

• 35:49Laci Mosley?

  Wait a damn minute.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  I can have this.

• 35:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm leaving all this old money over here just because we don't need it. So when Hospice South was bought by Beverly Enterprises, Beverly Enterprises don't sound like a place that's doing anything right for the world.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  That's like a fake. That's like, I could have made that up.

• 36:04Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  It's not real.

• 36:05Laci Mosley?

  When rich moneybags purchased, acquired Hospice South, yeah, we know what's about to happen. Beverly Enterprises, that don't sound godly at all.

• 36:15Speaker 05

  Shell Corporation.

• 36:16Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh, venture capitalist ass, bitch ass. We know what's happening. So the second largest nursing home chain in the country and soon after resold it to a private equity firm. Wow, we were right on it. Not the P E.

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Edit out my shocked noise.

• 36:32Laci Mosley?

  Take it back. So it was rebranded as Asera Care. Almost immediately after the takeover, Marcia's bosses increased the goals for the number of new patients that they had to sign up. Because of course they're like, we gotta get in the black. Okay, we need to get the six in here.

• 36:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm not seeing enough six. These are empty beds. Why is no one coding right now?

• 36:51Speaker 05

  A PowerPoint.

• 36:51Laci Mosley?

  Get the money up.

• 36:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, we need a, we need more sick people here.

• 36:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So important note, normally eligible hospice patients qualified by being certified by two doctors that they have less than six months to live and agree to forego curative care. So Medicare reimbursed them not for the amount of care expended, but per patient. So basically they're saying like, you have to have two notes that say that you are approaching the end of life. And then they will, and that you're no longer pursuing like medical treatment and then they'll just pay you out.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  Man, two notes?

• 37:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, not just one. You gotta go to two doctors.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 37:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 05

  I mean.

• 37:28Laci Mosley?

  I mean, because Medicare is not trying to give out the coins.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  No, but.

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  So they're gonna force you to get a second opinion.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:33Laci Mosley?

  So if you ever thought you needed a second opinion, Medicare is telling you right now, like, go to, I get, I get second.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  I don't want to hear it if you only got one.

• 37:40Laci Mosley?

  Which is a mess. I could be like, mm-mm, this ain't enough.

• 37:42Speaker 05

  Oh, you're dying? Talk to somebody else.

• 37:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, are you sure? It's not giving. It's not giving casket. So go ass. It's like Medicare is so disgusting. So that meant that an increased number of patients didn't massively affect their overhead as most hospice care took place at home between visiting nurses and unpaid family. So employees who met quotas received cash bonuses and perks such as popcorn machines and massage chairs.

• 38:10Laci Mosley?

  Imagine getting a popcorn machine.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  I tell you, he needs both those things.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  Sandy?

• 38:15Speaker 05

  These fucking sick people.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why? You're not getting the massage chairs and the popcorn machines.

• 38:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's what should be going too.

• 38:22Speaker 05

  A little treat.

• 38:22Laci Mosley?

  Look, at some point, we all gonna have to meet, you know, uh.

• 38:26Speaker 05

  Not me.

• 38:27Laci Mosley?

  Sky daddy.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:28Laci Mosley?

  Not me.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  Can't get me.

• 38:31Laci Mosley?

  Can't get me.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  Find out. See what happens. You, oh, you think I'm gonna die? Nice try.

• 38:37Laci Mosley?

  So those, but you know, it's like, we wanna do it in a comfortable way or whatever, if we're lucky enough to, yeah.

• 38:42Speaker 05

  With dignity and like, respect and, absolutely.

• 38:44Laci Mosley?

  And care, you know what I mean?

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:45Laci Mosley?

  So Marcia remembers feeling so frustrated and pressured about meeting numbers that she calculated how many people in her region might be expected to die that year. Cause what happened was, if you didn't meet the quotas, you were fired.

• 38:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:59Laci Mosley?

  You were terminated, if you didn't find the terminally ill.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 05

  Doing like, uh, hey, so like, how are your needs?

• 39:06Laci Mosley?

  So now she's starting to look at the CDC numbers and she's like, okay, how many, where are they dying the most?

• 39:10Speaker 05

  Can I get a copy of the census? I wanna see how many people over the age sixty-five live in my area?

• 39:15Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean?

• 39:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:15Laci Mosley?

  So, not only were there not enough people dying in her territory, they weren't dying fast enough.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  Does she become like an eco terrorist or something? And she's like, I'm putting stuff in the water to like.

• 39:26Laci Mosley?

  Sandy's just pulling up with a dump truck of just all the chemicals, all the Chinese lead paint.

• 39:31Speaker 05

  Speed this shit up.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, we got, what, fluoride? Mm-mm. We put straight lead in the water, okay? No, we gotta get these girls dead. What is this people living? I saw people at the park yesterday looking like healthy as fuck. This is fucked up.

• 39:45Speaker 05

  Hey Gladys, I got you a special water.

• 39:48Laci Mosley?

  Why does she keep dropping off special water? And it tastes like very rat poisoning?

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:53Laci Mosley?

  I saw her shaking it in the car. She said it was just Dasani flavor, but I was like, eh.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  I sneeze blood and only taste metal, so I don't know what's going on.

• 40:00Laci Mosley?

  But Dasani do taste like rat poison, so I'm a drinky.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  So actually, she didn't have to even do anything. She just gave him Dasani.

• 40:07Laci Mosley?

  That was her plan.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  Unless they're a sponsor.

• 40:09Laci Mosley?

  Love, Dasani is delicious, y'all. Y'all really should put it in your mouth.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Do you notice how it gets colder than the other water?

• 40:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. And, and just so much flavor.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:18Laci Mosley?

  I had never tasted earth before, like when you taste Dasani.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  I had one sip of Dasani in the desert and it's all I needed.

• 40:23Laci Mosley?

  For a month. Extra hydration. So, we love you Coca-Cola. So, if a patient might not actually die within the six month window, Medicare can demand a repayment from facilities where the average patient stays is like long, is longer than six months.

• 40:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:39Laci Mosley?

  So now you have this weird ass thing with Medicare where they're calling like, hey y'all, we just want to check on Ms. Gladys, because we heard she was alive. Somebody got a birthday call and we was like, how she sending that from the upper room?

• 40:49Speaker 05

  You said you were dying. What are you doing here?

• 40:52Laci Mosley?

  What are you doing here?

• 40:54Speaker 05

  I see your bed's still full.

• 40:56Laci Mosley?

  What are you doing here on earth?

• 40:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:58Laci Mosley?

  You told her she was leaving.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  Hey, I saw that hole over there is fucking empty.

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  Hello, this is from Cigna. Yeah, you picked up. That's the problem.

• 41:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:04Laci Mosley?

  That's essentially the problem.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  I'm calling to say, uh, why the fuck do you answer?

• 41:10Laci Mosley?

  What the fuck? Yo, our healthcare system is fucked.

• 41:14Speaker 05

  It's so bad.

• 41:15Laci Mosley?

  So bad. So, recruiting. Marsha found her own solution. Was it murdering people? What is your own solution to get more dead people? So, and along with her colleagues, began recruiting patients regardless of whether they were near death or not.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  In the deep south, they often targeted impoverished communities with low rates of education. Wow, so now you're coming for people who likely, you know, don't have money, don't have a lot of options, perhaps are people of color. Like, we know what you're doing. So, Marsha would cruise around looking for rundown homes with wheelchair ramps, or keep a church prayer list around to look for families with ill members.

• 41:50Speaker 05

  No.

• 41:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, Marsha, not the sick and shut in list. Marsha was going to church services and this, I'm Baptist, so we have the sick and shut in list.

• 41:58Speaker 05

  I know what this is, yeah.

• 41:59Laci Mosley?

  Where you, you pray for these people, or you visit their homes, or you bring them food. She going to every church, like, let me get a program.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:04Laci Mosley?

  Is this up to date?

• 42:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:05Laci Mosley?

  Is this all the sick and the shut ins?

• 42:07Speaker 05

  You're not doing a repeat of last week's, are you?

• 42:10Laci Mosley?

  Because I don't know.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  Okay, because I look, because a few of the people who were on this list was on here last week and it just seemed like, I don't know how sick or shut in they are.

• 42:17Speaker 05

  You got a Google Doc or like a Google Sheet or something? Here's my business card.

• 42:20Laci Mosley?

  Who does the submissions? Could I get copied on the, on the shut in list?

• 42:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, let me just get in with the, with the announcements. Praise him. Yeah, no, pray. I will take a Martin Luther King fan.

• 42:28Speaker 05

  I'll buy an ad on the thing or whatever, but yeah.

• 42:31Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Here's a, here's a hard cake I brought for the...

• 42:35Laci Mosley?

  Hard cake? Oh, pound cake from, from the grocery store that I definitely did not steal. Okay, I just, I scanned it and, and left. So, she'd show up to especially rundown houses and knock on the door in scrubs despite not having any medical background. Now she wearing costumes. As she says, in quotes, "I would automatically be seen as help. You're looking for uneducated people, if you will, because you're able to provide something to them and meet a need." So she's looking for the desperation meter we talk about out here, people who really need this kind of stuff. Because I know why, like, if somebody showed up at my house in some damn scrubs, looking like a fake ass Grey's Anatomy extra, talk about some, "You want to go to hospice?" I'd be like, "Bitch, if you don't get off my damn doorstep..."

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Not today. You're not gonna get me. What are you even doing here, babe?

• 43:18Laci Mosley?

  Babe, I'm full of life.

• 43:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, don't you see? I can do a backflip right now.

• 43:23Laci Mosley?

  I can do a flip. This is our, we don't have good measurements for, uh, what full of life means, which because, you know.

• 43:29Speaker 05

  Who could say?

• 43:30Laci Mosley?

  Who could say?

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Somebody on their last day could do the most magnificent flip you've ever seen.

• 43:35Laci Mosley?

  And it happened, it happened, so...

• 43:37Speaker 05

  We don't have the language for it.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  But, but we're, you know, each day is a blessing. So, we're trying to keep it light, y'all, because this is fun, but also sad. So, and then she would describe comparatively luxurious government benefits before finishing her pitch to make them seem like it was like a quick decision.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:53Laci Mosley?

  So she's describing this like, "Hey, do you want free room and board and, and games and entertainment and a chef that cooks for you 24/7 and television and the best beds and, um, round the care, medical supervision and..."

• 44:10Speaker 05

  Singles too, there's singles there. Um, uh, what else?

• 44:12Laci Mosley?

  Drugs, with all the drugs.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're giving them the straight out of high school, uh, go army treatment, but for dying.

• 44:19Laci Mosley?

  And at the end it's like, "Okay, but it's a hospice, and you got five minutes to sign up right now. I'm gonna have to get in my car and drive away. So what do you say?"

• 44:23Speaker 05

  Hey, so yeah, unless you want your life to be miserable, you better sign this paper.

• 44:27Laci Mosley?

  Right, because we're going to your neighbor next door and we, we know your neighbor gonna take this deal, so we only got one bed, so do you want it?

• 44:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So, once Marsha had them on the hook, she'd send a nurse out to assess whether the potential patient had any symptoms that could look like a terminal illness. She'd often use the reputation of the black belt region of the deep south that has some of the highest rates of heart disease, diabetes, and emphysema in the country. So she was going after the girls, like, I mean, she got the sugar, so... You know, even though, even though people live with diabetes every single day.

• 44:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:00Laci Mosley?

  Um, but you know, she's targeting things that she can kind of like zhuzh up a little bit.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  This is, this could be something.

• 45:06Laci Mosley?

  Like, did y'all notice Martha came to my house and now all my, uh, trilicity is gone?

• 45:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:11Laci Mosley?

  What happened to it? No, I think she stole it. And then she had somebody come over and, and do the, the prick on me to check, check my, uh, levels.

• 45:19Speaker 05

  And, but, but then she came and tried to do it herself? I don't know what's going on.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  I got pricked twice in one day. Yeah. And then she said that she found all of my insulin in her purse and gave it back to me after I got pricked. I don't know what happened. So, yeah, she's bad. So in order to get the necessary doctor approval, some hospice firms would even bribe doctors to bring them new patients by offering all expense paid trips to Las Vegas nightclubs, complete with bottle service and private security detail.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  Honestly, this is good.

• 45:46Laci Mosley?

  I mean, why not just give them money? I feel like money is the bribe that I like, but they were like, do you want to live like a rock star millionaire? We'll fly you out private to Vegas.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  I can have a vodka Red Bull in my hand in two hours.

• 45:59Laci Mosley?

  And just the loudest music you've ever heard.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I'm ill? That's where I want to be.

• 46:04Laci Mosley?

  Well, these are the doctors.

• 46:05Speaker 05

  Oh, the doctors. The doc, okay. Oh, well.

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  So they're like.

• 46:09Speaker 05

  Don't even get me fucking started.

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  Right. So they're like, we'll treat you like, you, you want to live a day in the life of Tiger?

• 46:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, I can be like a cool, I can be a cool doctor.

• 46:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the coolest of doctors. So they're flying them out to Vegas and, you know, letting them ball out and live the celebrity lifestyle. In the case of the doctor politicians such as Dr. Francisco Pena, former mayor of Rio Bravo, Texas, they could receive actual kickbacks. Yeah, look at this man. It's giving, I take bribes.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 46:36Laci Mosley?

  I've never seen a more bribable face and neck.

• 46:38Speaker 05

  No.

• 46:39Laci Mosley?

  That neck, that neck moves and says yes to bribes.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's that fucking little bird taking a drink out of the desk.

• 46:46Laci Mosley?

  Look at that, that neck been saying, working hard saying yes to bribes his whole life.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  And he looks like. We're looking at a picture, so that's why we're saying this. He looks like he's about to say no.

• 46:56Laci Mosley?

  But he gonna say-

• 46:56Speaker 05

  But then he's gonna be like, "Just kidding, yes."

• 46:58Laci Mosley?

  He gonna wink though. He's like, "Look, I work in politics, I can't just move my neck."

• 47:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. The only thing he's saying no to is that he doesn't not do that. He's like, "I do do it."

• 47:06Laci Mosley?

  And look at him holding his glasses, like he about to say something smart. Yeah, that's criminal right there.

• 47:09Speaker 05

  If it pleases the court, he says.

• 47:11Laci Mosley?

  Love that for him. And he got his white coat behind him, like, "Don't forget. Don't let these scrubs fool you, I am Dr. Ring. I'm over the girls, okay?"

• 47:17Speaker 05

  He like walks out with it over his shoulder. He's kind of like a cool doctor.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. This is a county- this is a city council meeting, why you wearing full scrubs? And then, and a stethoscope, saying stat in between the motions. So other firms would also attempt, uh, excuse me, other firms would tempt addicts with the prospect of free painkillers, trick people into believing the program was free home healthcare, or even steal personal information to enroll patients without their knowledge.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  Ghoul behavior, if I've ever heard it. That's so fucked.

• 47:43Laci Mosley?

  This sick-ass shit. Can you imagine if somebody comes over saying they doing the census and then all of a sudden, somebody just randomly showing up to your house every week?

• 47:49Speaker 05

  But not even that, just be like, "Hey, like, look, I noticed that you have like some sort of like, you know, addiction."

• 47:55Laci Mosley?

  So I want to exploit that. I mean, help. Did I say exploit? That's crazy. I mean, help.

• 47:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't mean to imply that I was doing something untoward.

• 48:02Laci Mosley?

  No, we gonna exploit the addiction by helping you with it. That's who we exploit.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  And you know, that's like a vulnerable class as well.

• 48:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's extremely vulnerable, and it's a disease. So it's just not, it's not cool to take advantage of people, whether they have diseases or not, but especially if they're in a vulnerable position. So this is just, Marshall, you are a real, you are a corporate criminal.

• 48:20Speaker 05

  But maybe she turns it around, we don't know.

• 48:22Laci Mosley?

  She has a, she has a hero arc. I doubt it. So because the stipulation of the hospice care is that patients do not receive curative care, patients who were signed up for hospice against their knowledge could suddenly be denied life-saving procedures and medications. So this is really fucked up, because like, if you need to call the ambulance, and they're like, "Hello, for where? Oh no, we can't pick you up, you know."

• 48:45Speaker 05

  That's not even a thing.

• 48:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you on our blackout list. We can't, we can't drive over there. Like, what? And you don't even know.

• 48:51Speaker 05

  No, because like you think, if this person's coming up to you and you're being, and they're like, you think, you're taking that face value that what they're saying is true, and then you're like, "Okay, like, well, this will be good, this is gonna, in the event that I have-" Some sort of issue, I'll be taken care of.

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  And it's the exact opposite. Yeah, Marsha, you gotta go to jail, jail, but also we gotta throw rocks at you in the town square, like on your way there, like. We either had a little shame bill and just the tiniest rocks that we all should be able to throw at you.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  One big one.

• 49:18Laci Mosley?

  One big one, but the rest just so small and annoying.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  Like in the eye of the beholder too, like who actually knows how big this rock is gonna be.

• 49:25Laci Mosley?

  Fifty percent, seventy-five percent?

• 49:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, who knows?

• 49:27Laci Mosley?

  A mountain? That's a big rock. We throw a mountain at you?

• 49:31Speaker 05

  That's kind of the thing you really, people don't really say about mountains, like, and I think we're, it's good that we're getting this out there now. That's actually a rock.

• 49:38Laci Mosley?

  It's a big ass rock and we should be afraid of that rock, cause why is it so big?

• 49:41Speaker 05

  And how did it get there?

• 49:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, how many other rocks did it destroy? Well, how the pebbles become pebbles? This is deeper than we thought. This is my new, uh, y'all can read about this in my book.

• 49:51Laci Mosley?

  So, there's a lot of info here, so we're gonna keep moving.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  Printing it myself and it's, you can buy it, uh, you know, out of my trunk, yeah.

• 49:58Laci Mosley?

  The, the second part of the problem was that once they had them, they also, and this, the patients, once they tricked them, they also had to get rid of them if they weren't dying quickly enough, which was common for many ineligible patients because they're not dying. So, one tactic that Asara Care used was simply to discharge patients with overly long stays from hos- hospice, often losing any sort of medication, aids and care that they had. So, one day you just wake up and they're, they're, they're rolling you out the door.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  And you're sick.

• 50:25Laci Mosley?

  And you're sick.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  And you're like, and they're like, hey, you're sick?

• 50:30Speaker 05

  That's so gross.

• 50:31Laci Mosley?

  It's so disgusting. So, one tactic Asara Care used was simply to discharge patients over the long stays. In two thousand and seven, seventy percent of Marsha's patients left hospice alive. Others turned to much worse. And there's at least one example of a hospice owner instructing his staff to, oh no, overdose their overstaying patients. So, now we're doing murder. Okay, and I'm sorry, we'll put a content warning at the top of this because I didn't know that this was gonna be doing murder when I found the story.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  This is, um, this has turned from.

• 50:58Laci Mosley?

  I knew, I had a feeling it was gonna get murdery because it, it, she's like, they're not dying fast enough and then like, what?

• 51:04Speaker 05

  At first I was, I was sort of like, is this just like, I care a lot?

• 51:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, which was, you know, was bad.

• 51:09Speaker 05

  Which was bad.

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  But yeah, no, we're going beyond that. She said, hold my beer. So, the owner was sentenced to more than thirteen years in prison for fraud and in a plea deal that made no allegations about patients' death, despite texting a nurse about one patient saying, in quotes, "He better not make it tomorrow or I will blame you." How do you not go thirteen years? They gave turtleneck Lizzie and and she did harm people when she wasn't actually giving them real blood results, but she wasn't actively murdering anyone.

• 51:35Speaker 05

  No.

• 51:35Laci Mosley?

  And like she got eleven. Thirteen years.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  Only two more.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  That's.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  That you get a little more, maybe double it.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like you shouldn't see the sun again, like your hospice is now jail and I don't even, I don't like the carceral system, but I'm sorry, like you you you need to stay in there.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  You're going to the jail.

• 51:51Laci Mosley?

  Cause your moral compass, yeah, we don't need you out here on the streets, cause your your brain is dangerous.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  It's like, that's like, that is murder, like you like you're sort of like, hey, like, you're and it's not even, well, it's not murder, it's uh, it's whoa, what is it manslaughter, because you're sort of telling somebody to do something.

• 52:06Laci Mosley?

  It feels premeditated.

• 52:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, like, hey.

• 52:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's a murder, it's a premeditated murder and also, we know that you must have done this a lot, because if you get to the point where you're so casual about murder that you're sending text messages about it, then you've been doing so many murders, that's not even a big deal to you anymore.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  Sort of.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  Could you imagine texting somebody, hey, uh, make sure you do that murder tomorrow by six, what on text?

• 52:26Speaker 05

  It's sort of, you know.

• 52:27Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it's a phone call, a dark alley.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Like Sandy taking just a little bit to then go in full seventy-five percent.

• 52:32Laci Mosley?

  To go in full appliances.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but these are, but this is human life, so this is just disgusting, so I'm gonna get through this, cause I, we tried to keep it light over here. So for Marsha, both the pressure and the lengths that she and her colleagues went in order to maintain proper numbers of dying patients wore on her, okay, finally, dummy, and she began to question the work that she did, oh wow, you begin to question it now, like it's a little late, sis.

• 52:53Speaker 05

  Hey, uh, I sent a text the other day and I didn't feel good about it.

• 52:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's a little skeevy.

• 52:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:58Laci Mosley?

  So her coworker, Don Richardson, uh, was also, and she didn't send the text, that was someone else, but still, Don Richardson was also a mother with a family but felt similarly, and in two thousand nine, the pair discovered a way out. So the way out, the two other nurses at another southern hospice company had accused their employer, Southern Care, of stealing taxpayer dollars by enrolling ineligible patients in hospice. The company admitted to no wrongdoing but settled with the Justice Department for nearly twenty-five million dollars. The two nurses, being whistleblowers, received four point nine million dollars of that sum. Okay, what I'm not hearing is that the people who were, uh, tricked into being hospice were paid, and why is the government getting twenty-five mil, like, give that to the people that were harmed.

• 53:34Speaker 05

  There should have been some, uh. Damages.

• 53:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, this is still a gr- I hope there's a late night commercial happening where, you know, somebody's like, if your loved one was tricked into like, cause like. Yeah, Saul, where you at? They too contacted James Berger, a lawyer who had represented one of the Southern Care nurses. So in March of two thousand nine, he helped them file a whistleblower complaint against Asara Care and its parent company accusing the company of Medicare fraud. For the following two years, Dawn and Marsha were kept anonymous and the investigation continued to work at Asara Care while passing Barger documents and conducting their own investigations into ineligible patients. Their evidence, now how are you going, now this is giving like the police, we investigated ourselves and we found we did nothing wrong because how the fuck, you, you know what they doing, you started it.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, that's, I mean.

• 54:20Laci Mosley?

  You don't get to be a hero here. Like, I hope that you still have to do time because it's giving like anonymity and like, you started this shit, Marsha.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  I, I know I was doing this, but I didn't know what I was doing. I'm just a baby.

• 54:31Laci Mosley?

  Right, your own ambition. I'm just, I'm just a little baby, y'all. A little, a little murderer baby. No, no, no, no, no. So their evidence supported the claims they and others had made, including lack of focus on patient care and little discussion of eligibility at regular patient certification meetings. So they're, so beyond not even, you know, enrolling the right people, they're not giving them the proper care. Now that really pisses me off because at least if you're going to trick people into going to hospice, they should at least be nice. You get in your bag.

• 54:57Speaker 05

  Like, hey, well, this will be a trick, but also it'll be the worst thing they've ever done.

• 55:01Laci Mosley?

  At least it's gonna be a trick, let it be a treat.

• 55:03Speaker 05

  Cause like those situations too, I know that, that a lot of times, uh, the goal in hospice care is to make sure that people are comfortable and like something like that. But I feel like more often than not here, the people like didn't enjoy that experience, but also because it's, it's just hard on everybody.

• 55:16Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, which is fucked up.

• 55:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:18Laci Mosley?

  So clinical staff were also found to be under trained with a high potential for care delivery failures. So now they're just also hiring anybody that they can in this bitch, like.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  You get to your interview, right? You get it. It's like Craigslist, like.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  Your car got how many doors?

• 55:33Laci Mosley?

  Great hours. All you need is scrubs. Apply. And by apply, we mean show up and you have the job. Can you be present? Like, those are the requirements?

• 55:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, can you, uh, yeah, can you just be here?

• 55:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  You get here, you can start today.

• 55:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. You, any bus lines close to where we at, or you got a car, like, then pull up to this very, this job that needs a lot of skills. I'll come get you. We got, we got a shuttle.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:56Laci Mosley?

  Okay? Yeah, just pull up. We, we got scrubs, actually. Don't even worry about that. So, in 2011, Marsha was found out and put on paid leave before leaving the company.

• 56:04Speaker 05

  Paid leave?

• 56:05Laci Mosley?

  This woman, everything is coming over roses right now. But by that point, she and her team had amassed enough evidence that the Justice Department had conducted their own investigation into the complaint. The Justice Department proceeded to seek $200 million in fines and damages, and most expected Asser Care to settle, as fighting it could mean bankruptcy. But in 2014, Asser Care created history by fighting the complaints. Now, this is just wild to me, because, again, the Justice Department, where are y'all putting $200 million? Because it doesn't sound like it's gonna go back to the people. And also, like, Asser was like, bump that. We fighting, because Marsha bitch ass the one who started this shit. She told us to do it. We, we had no idea Marsha was, uh, recruiting people and being evil.

• 56:45Speaker 05

  Uh, let me, uh, just, uh, I think I left my phone in the other room real quick. Uh, let me just go get that real quick.

• 56:48Laci Mosley?

  Hold on, real quick. I'll be back. Asser Care just started screaming. The Justice Department was like, we're still in the, ah!

• 56:57Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, they just screamed on the phone, y'all.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  It might work.

• 56:59Laci Mosley?

  It might work. So, the United States versus Asser Care. A trial began August 10th, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama, and marked one of the most bizarre yet notable trials in the history of hospice care. From the start, prior to the beginning of the trial, the firm handling Asser Care's defense had just hired the judge's son as a summer associate. That's above board. They're like, do you want to intern Mr. Judge's son? No, I mean, uh, we think you're the most qualified as the judge's son. I gotta stop saying judge's son. Um, just work over here.

• 57:28Speaker 05

  Can't wear your dad's robe to work, dude.

• 57:30Laci Mosley?

  Don't wear, okay, yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  No one's gonna know.

• 57:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we gonna call you not Judge's son when you come here, okay?

• 57:36Speaker 05

  What are we gonna do? Your name is Judge.

• 57:39Laci Mosley?

  Your name is Judge's son, damn it. Why would she name her son Judge's son? So, almost immediately, Judge Karen Bowdre showed unprecedented favoritism towards the Sarah Care defense team. Dang, Karen. Karen, how you gonna Karen this hard? How you gonna live up to the name, sis?

• 57:55Speaker 05

  I didn't want to say it.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, she was like, and also for an internship, you a Hall of Judge Karen, you can't nepo your kid somewhere else? You gotta nepo him here?

• 58:04Speaker 05

  And you couldn't go outside for like a little bit?

• 58:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  Just get a little sun?

• 58:07Laci Mosley?

  Look, you know Karen, Karen ain't seen no sun.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  This is the whitest person I've ever seen.

• 58:13Laci Mosley?

  Karen literally sleeps in a coffin, okay?

• 58:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:15Laci Mosley?

  And she loves, she loves hospice fraud.

• 58:18Speaker 05

  I think her, her lips are red because that's where her blood is.

• 58:23Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 58:25Laci Mosley?

  That's because that's what she thrives on to survive.

• 58:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:27Laci Mosley?

  She's just sucking on O negative every day. It's not lipstick.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:31Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Maybe she's nice.

• 58:33Laci Mosley?

  She's not giving nice. So Judge Karen made unprecedented and restrictive decisions as to what evidence was allowed to be brought in and how the case would be divided. Despite these obstacles, two months later, the jury found 86% of the patient's samples ineligible for some period of hospice care, which would make the other part of the trial much easier. So just a few days after Judge Karen announced that she had made a major mistake and she was overturning the jury's findings and granting a Sarah Care's request for a new trial. She said, "I made a major mistake because y'all not doing what I had said when I coerced y'all." "I was doing coercion and nobody seems to really be coerced."

• 59:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, can we start over?

• 59:12Laci Mosley?

  Run it back, run it back. This is like when you're playing like Monopoly with like your kid cousin who wants to change the rules and when they start losing.

• 59:19Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, when I go into jail.

• 59:21Laci Mosley?

  This is like Twitter with Elon Musk.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:24Laci Mosley?

  Wait a minute, y'all making fun of me? We got new terms of service. No making fun of me for the public safety of everybody.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  You can't, uh, no posts.

• 59:30Laci Mosley?

  No, no posts.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:32Laci Mosley?

  It's a lot of tweeting happening on Twitter and we gotta stop that.

• 59:35Speaker 05

  If you see me somewhere, you actually didn't though.

• 59:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, that's doxing if you see me somewhere.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  You say where I am?

• 59:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't care if I was on TV, you can't tell nobody about that.

• 59:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:46Laci Mosley?

  So, five months later, Judge Karen awarded judgment to Asera Care without completing the trial. So this issue is like, you know, let's just wrap this up. It's, it's taken too long.

• 59:54Speaker 05

  I'm bored of this. I'm done with this.

• 59:57Laci Mosley?

  I'm done with this, okay?

• 59:58Speaker 05

  I'm not even that person anymore.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, I'm actually gonna go into the sun, so.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Laci Mosley?

  So, it wasn't until 20-

• 1:00:07Speaker 05

  Ow, it hurts.

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  And listen, if you're out there and you are a, a pale girly, I love a pale girly, okay? She's just evil, okay?

• 1:00:15Speaker 05

  I, I stand behind my Goth queen.

• 1:00:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So it wasn't until 2019 that a retrial occurred, which resulted in a settlement for $1 million paid by Asera Care. The original claim had been for $200 million. So they got off scot fucking free because Judge Karen was out here griming all for her son's internship. She must've been getting paid behind closed doors.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  A judge, Lacey?

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  Allegedly.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  You can't just say something like, that's never happened before.

• 1:00:44Laci Mosley?

  You're right, she's a woman of the cloth, okay?

• 1:00:46Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  She takes that fabric seriously. So in 2020, the company was bought for $235 million by a medicist, a company facing its own similar charges. So now the crime companies are absorbing each other.

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  We saw you were doing that and we do it too, so you can, we'll buy you.

• 1:01:06Laci Mosley?

  How did y'all get away with the fraud and the government? Uh, we'll buy you, so, because we also would too, like, where's, y'all, y'all got Judge Karen's number and her, and Judge's son?

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  You guys don't have receipts, right? Good, okay, good, good.

• 1:01:17Laci Mosley?

  So now, in 20, in 2022, a moratorium has been placed on hospices in California due to an investigation that was uncovered. It's uncovered thousands of for-profit facilities with fictional patients and staff. So now they were just like, you know what, fuck it. Instead of harming real-life human beings, let's- Make them up.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, okay. Oh, now, now we're back to improv, aren't we?

• 1:01:38Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? I like this bit better because at least we're not harming real people. And I would think it was hilarious if like they, the government starts visiting these for-profit hospice centers. And they're like, why are all the beds empty? And they're like, oh, it was a bad day. Everyone, uh, died.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. This was bad.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you should see the morgue.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  They're like running around with a bunch of disguises, being like, I'm this one.

• 1:01:58Laci Mosley?

  They're hiring people off Greg's. It's like, just lay in the bed and convalesce.

• 1:02:01Speaker 05

  Cough a little bit.

• 1:02:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, somebody else put out some owls.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  Just a few owls when the government comes, okay?

• 1:02:07Speaker 05

  The, uh, casting sheets for the extras on, uh, House?

• 1:02:12Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? As actors, I would, I, I would do that job.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  I was just at a taping for something recently where there were a bunch of actors, like, in the audience for taping, and I was like, y'all do anything.

• 1:02:24Laci Mosley?

  Listen, and I, and I love that for them. So, they found out that they're doing all this fraud. There are a few regulations or requirements to opening a hospice in most states, which has led to instances such as single addresses in Los Angeles being listed as having, as having a hundred and twenty-nine hospices owned by a professional landlord. So now of these empty buildings in LA, they, they call them hospices.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  Oh, great.

• 1:02:46Laci Mosley?

  So despite this, each business is valued at six figures and are constantly being bought and sold. So this is full crime. Between 2011 and 2019, research shows that a number of hospices owned by private equity firms tripled, and the quality of care has decreased. And PE guys, so fucking bad. In 2018, the Office of Inspector General at the Department of Health and Human Services estimated that inappropriate billing by hospice providers had cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. It's expensive to die in America. It's expensive to live in America. And Sarah Kers said to the president that the companies are allowed to manipulate the process of passing away to meet their financial goals. There's no fucking way in hell that this should be on the stock market, that there should be investors and shareholders. Like, this is a public service that we pay taxes for, and private equity, again, swoops in and does what capitalism does,

• 1:03:31Laci Mosley?

  and puts a price tag on it and just makes it the sickest shit in the fucking world.

• 1:03:34Speaker 05

  We're gonna soon be paying monthly, I mean, I guess we do kind of rent and stuff, but like, We're gonna have a subscription service for life. Like, okay, you wanna live, it's ninety-nine dollars a fucking day.

• 1:03:47Laci Mosley?

  We already do.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Laci Mosley?

  Uh, life is basically a streaming platform.

• 1:03:51Speaker 05

  And you can't cancel.

• 1:03:52Laci Mosley?

  Nope, and you need to have all of them. It's like, okay, look, if you want a piece of food, you need Hulu Plus, okay? Now, if you want good food, you gotta subscribe to no ad.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Laci Mosley?

  All right, you want medical care, bitch, you better get you some Netflix, okay?

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  And like, ads, when you eat bad food, is like, stuff that's like, not good for you.

• 1:04:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's nitrates, and it's like, chemicals. It's like, if you want chemical free, you gotta upgrade.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Laci Mosley?

  You gotta pay a little more. Oh, you don't want GMOs?

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh.

• 1:04:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you don't want pesticides? Florence Chen once wrote an amazing joke in Florida Girls. That was like, we go to a rich person's house, and I touch their avocados, and I'm like, "Ooh, avocados, and these are organic, that mean it ain't got no poison on them."

• 1:04:32Laci Mosley?

  And that's literally what it is. You have to pay to not have poison.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's an upgrade. No poison? Oh, okay, you talking.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  Hey, I don't taste the poison on them.

• 1:04:39Laci Mosley?

  Yo, you got money.

• 1:04:40Speaker 05

  Must be good to be the king.

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  Yo, it's ass, it's such ass. But Sarah, fuck y'all, y'all are terrible, and I can't believe that you got away with this. Uh, Judge Karen and Judge's son, y'all are terrible people, and I really do hope that every time you go out in the sun, it's like a micro, like a magnifying glass.

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  It hurts.

• 1:04:57Laci Mosley?

  To, just sizzling.

• 1:04:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cuz that's what you deserve. All right, we're gonna move on to the saddest part of the show, which it actually isn't today, because the saddest part of this shit is these motherfuckers.

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:05:08Laci Mosley?

  Like, what pieces of goddamn, just repugnant shit?

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, you should be able to...

• 1:05:14Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, worse than shit, cuz at least eschrement has a purpose. You know, that can manure, it can grow grass and shit, like, y'all are worse than that.

• 1:05:20Speaker 05

  You should, at the very least, at the end of your life, be guaranteed, like, dignity and, like, respect.

• 1:05:27Laci Mosley?

  And care.

• 1:05:27Speaker 05

  At, at least.

• 1:05:29Laci Mosley?

  And for these people, I wish that they would have to go to hospice, a bad one, where they pinch on you every day and don't change your bedpan. You know, just little pinches under the arms.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  I don't wanna get pinched.

• 1:05:39Laci Mosley?

  I wanna get pinched just so much and just tormented.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  The calendar, every day is St. Patrick's Day, and I'm not wearing any green.

• 1:05:47Laci Mosley?

  Yep, the only channel, y'all, you're allowed to watch is, uh, the whatever that TV guide is. The hotels, just Mario Lopez for the rest of your life. But he's describing all the shows beautifully and he looks gorgeous, but you never get to watch any of them.

• 1:05:58Speaker 05

  It could be a lot worse.

• 1:06:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you know, he's too entertaining. Yeah, and that smile.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  That dimple?

• 1:06:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, them dimples?

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  It doesn't have a bottom.

• 1:06:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, y'all don't deserve his dimples.

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:06:06Laci Mosley?

  You know what? Just the fuzzy screen, like when you go to the different input.

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  It's Mario Lopez still, but you can't really see the definition of the dimple.

• 1:06:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, because then that leaves them wanting.

• 1:06:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're like, I know he has it.

• 1:06:17Laci Mosley?

  Yep, and you can't, we'll never let you see it, bitch.

• 1:06:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Laci Mosley?

  Because you don't deserve it. Yes. So that brings us to the end of the show. But before we go scammer of the week, this is where we highlight an honorary charlatan that's worthy of our praise or maybe not. Like Marcia's bitch ass who got away too scot-free for my liking and Judge Karen's old raggedy ass.

• 1:06:37Laci Mosley?

  But today we're talking about a former officer of the Johnson County Sheriff's Office, uh, in Kansas. He's had his police license revoked after he was caught trying to scam a store out of nearly $400 worth of Pokemon cards. Wait a minute.

• 1:06:52Speaker 05

  Okay, so actually, he did nothing wrong.

• 1:06:55Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  And this is a very rare one for me.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  We don't, we don't stand up for cops, but it's.

• 1:07:00Speaker 05

  I can't, I host the video game podcast. I, I love Pokemon. This guy, I'm turning the other way.

• 1:07:07Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I had a Charizard once that I got randomly out of a cereal box. And that was when Charizards were worth like a lot of money. And I like sold it to somebody who really was into the Pokis and made a coin in school, you know what I mean?

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  And this is, this is, this is really just hard for me as like a guy that like hates cops.

• 1:07:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  It's and loves Pokemon. This is really, hmm.

• 1:07:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I wish more cops, when they say gotta catch them all, yeah, if y'all didn't mean black people, like, more of y'all were doing Pokemon than trying to catch us.

• 1:07:31Speaker 05

  Maybe they sort of took the lessons of Pokemon and applied it to the carceral system. And that is sort of like, you know, that's they, maybe they got the wrong thing from it. Yeah. So I have to actually do, uh, boo this man and I can't support him.

• 1:07:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we, we were tomato, tomato, tomato. So William Knight, 32 years old, quite young, had been a full-time cop with the department since March of 2019. He was in uniform, buying groceries and a large number of Pokemon cards. Uh, when he was arou- well, he, I'm excuse me, when he aroused suspicion, I thought I said he was aroused at first. I said, uh.

• 1:08:03Speaker 05

  It just keeps getting worse. This guy's fucking hard.

• 1:08:07Laci Mosley?

  Putting holes in the Pokemon cards? No, so, I mean, some people say that some of them are sexy, okay?

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  Look, that's a conversation for another day.

• 1:08:17Laci Mosley?

  Some Pokemon's is bad bitches.

• 1:08:21Laci Mosley?

  So he aroused suspicion of an in-store asset protection investigator. I love a cop getting taken down by a store cop.

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. The audacity. They used to, like, when I worked at a store, they would just, like, chase you through the store, kind of, and then once you get out the door, they're like, well, that's kind of where that goes.

• 1:08:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's where I came.

• 1:08:39Speaker 05

  What are you gonna do?

• 1:08:39Laci Mosley?

  You chased him to the edge of the earth.

• 1:08:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Laci Mosley?

  They won't let me leave here.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  And chase is a strong word. I mean, followed a little bit.

• 1:08:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like a high-paced walk, because you know they can't run good.

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, no, they can't.

• 1:08:50Laci Mosley?

  No. Also, what's interesting to me is, like, does an in-store cop even have cuffs? Does he have to be like, hey, let me borrow your cuffs?

• 1:08:55Speaker 05

  No, it's more of like a you come here with me situation, and I guess you just do it.

• 1:08:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like I just have to be like, no.

• 1:09:01Speaker 05

  If you've ever been caught at a grocery store in a loss prevention situation, and you went with them?

• 1:09:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, don't go with them. I just feel like walk the other way, or maybe run, start hollering.

• 1:09:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Laci Mosley?

  You know, or maybe put the thing back and be like, ah, my bad.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Oh, this, I, this is mine. Try that.

• 1:09:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  I came with this.

• 1:09:20Laci Mosley?

  I came with this.

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, still got a barcode on it and a sensor, but I came, because I actually needed to get it taken off.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I bought this before. I didn't bring the receipt. The sticker was stuck on it.

• 1:09:30Laci Mosley?

  I once bought an air fryer from Target, and it had that little alarm sounding thing on it. I bought it through the self-checkout. It actually paid for it. I'm sure Sandy got hella air fryers for the $3.99. Shout out to you, queen. But I paid for it, and then when I got out and I, like, cut the little sensor off at home, and it started making an alarm, and I was like, this is, they should fix this.

• 1:09:48Speaker 05

  I'm at home.

• 1:09:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but I'm not gonna give them no tips.

• 1:09:50Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 1:09:50Laci Mosley?

  Y'all take the air fryers, okay? Everybody needs a ninja.

• 1:09:53Speaker 05

  Sandy's running a ghost kitchen in her house with a bunch of air fryers that she took.

• 1:09:55Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for her.

• 1:09:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Laci Mosley?

  So the, you know, the protection asset investigator's like, huh, mischief is afoot.

• 1:10:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:02Laci Mosley?

  So initially, he tried to leave, saying he had to respond to a call. He was like, oh, I got a $2.99, uh, cop, cop, cop thing happening. But eventually he admitted that he had swapped out the barcodes on the boxes for cheaper items. Wow, the cop told the truth.

• 1:10:18Speaker 05

  Uh, wait, is that the first time that's ever happened?

• 1:10:22Laci Mosley?

  Might be, might be on record.

• 1:10:23Speaker 05

  God.

• 1:10:24Laci Mosley?

  So Knight was reportedly arrested and booked into the Johnson County Adult Attention Center on May 13th, 2022, before he posted bond of $2,500. $2,500 for Pokemon cards is a lot, but a cop going to jail, you know.

• 1:10:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, but think about what he could have pulled. He could have pulled something big and then, you know, one card could have got him out free. Who knows?

• 1:10:43Laci Mosley?

  So he has since escaped criminal charges, duh. Though he's no longer employed as a police officer in Jefferson County or anywhere else. So I will say this, you must be like really unlikable to the police officers. Maybe they didn't like your bitch ass. Maybe he was heating up fish in the microwave every lunch. Like you was doing something to get on them police officers nerves because they let murderers wholly come back.

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  I was gonna say.

• 1:11:01Laci Mosley?

  They let people who do murders, like murders on video get paid, leave and come on back to the Christmas party and shit. Bitch, you got fired for Pokemon cards? Oh, they didn't like you. Was you farting a lot? You ate a lot of beans? He was thanking up the meat.

• 1:11:11Speaker 05

  This guy's a fucking dork. We can't have him work here.

• 1:11:14Laci Mosley?

  Not even that, a lot of cops are dorks, most cops.

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, all, wait, all cops are dorks.

• 1:11:18Laci Mosley?

  A cad, all cops are dorks. So if you got fired from the police, that means they really just, you had bad vibes.

• 1:11:25Speaker 05

  Oh, you like rules? You fucking dork.

• 1:11:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, I'm confused. How do you get fired from the police?

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, that's, we should send this to them. The story would be like, see, you can fire them.

• 1:11:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:36Speaker 05

  They can be fired.

• 1:11:37Laci Mosley?

  So maybe like.

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  It's allowed.

• 1:11:38Laci Mosley?

  Let's start firing them for the murders and for the harassment because you fire somebody for Pokemon cards, bro. Like, yeah, they didn't like his vibes. In a statement from his lawyer, it says in quotes, unfortunately, in a time of severe stress and anxiety, he exercised poor judgment, leading to his arrest and charge.

• 1:11:57Laci Mosley?

  You know, the, the, the cop girlies love to come at us with a, I was afraid, I have anxiety.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  I was afraid.

• 1:12:04Laci Mosley?

  I was afraid I wasn't gonna catch them all.

• 1:12:06Speaker 05

  What were you trying to fucking get? Like, that's, like, they're not that expensive.

• 1:12:11Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  I guess you're buying them in bulk. He stole $400 worth, or something, $4,000 worth?

• 1:12:15Laci Mosley?

  Uh, 400.

• 1:12:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, 400, that's, that's quite a bit. That's a lot of...

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  That's a lot of anxiety.

• 1:12:20Speaker 05

  That's a lot of boosters.

• 1:12:21Laci Mosley?

  I do, I, that, listen, I, if, this honestly inspires me, though, like, this is the story that we need to start waving these police departments faces, because why are we letting cops literally get away with murder, but they can't get away with Pokemon?

• 1:12:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a success story, kind of. It's like, you can actually fire them.

• 1:12:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you should.

• 1:12:36Speaker 05

  Maybe they didn't know. They just didn't know before. Like, you get, and we're actually, we could be helping them.

• 1:12:42Laci Mosley?

  The last thing I ever want to do. But, alright, y'all, that brings us to the end of the show, and as we always ask on the show, Matt, where would you like to be found? Any socials while they still exist?

• 1:12:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna say, this is a tough question to answer now.

• 1:12:54Laci Mosley?

  Any shows?

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  I don't know if I want to be found on Twitter. My, uh, the husk of my account is still there. I'm on social media, I'll say, as Matt Apodaca. You can find me on the ones that exist.

• 1:13:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:13:06Speaker 05

  If I'm not there, uh, I, maybe I...

• 1:13:09Laci Mosley?

  Follow this playboy. Follow this big man.

• 1:13:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, Big Man Playboy, Matt Apodaca, on all social medias. Uh, you can listen to Get Played, uh, wherever you get your podcasts, and then our Patreon, Get Animate, uh, patreon.com slash Get Played, where we talk about anime stuff. It's a lot of fun.

• 1:13:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And as always, guys, stitch on your friends, your family, your enemies, the police, at scamgotispod at gmail dot com. Just make sure the scam is retired, because we don't want to fuck up your bag.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  Unless it's the police scam.

• 1:13:34Laci Mosley?

  Unless it's a police scam, and then, like, for sure, some names and photos. And as always, you can find me at D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms, congregation. Stay sandying.

• 1:13:49Speaker 05

  Honestly, yeah, Sandy is a queen.

• 1:13:51Laci Mosley?

  Scam bag go. Scam bag go.

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, yes, absolutely, and maybe just bag go, baby.

• 1:13:57Laci Mosley?

  I said scam, uh, bag go. But also, yeah, bag and go works as well.

• 1:14:05Laci Mosley?

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