Behind the Scenes Minis: Pirate Evolution

Tracy shares the topics she considered for the recording in the Bahamas but decided against. Holly talks about her admiration for Thomas Huxley. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:40Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.

• 2:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

• 2:53Holly Frey?

  And I'm Holly Frey.

• 2:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  We are back from our trip to Bahama.

• 2:58Holly Frey?

  Yes.

• 2:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  And Nassau.

• 3:00Holly Frey?

  Yes.

• 3:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  As, as we discussed, I had been looking for a topic that was somehow thematically or geographically related to where we were, and wound up with the Flying Gang. The other thing I really thought about doing, and I don't think I said this in the, in the actual episode for the week, it was the raid on Nassau in 1776 during the Revolutionary War. Long story short, the Americans needed gunpowder. There was gunpowder in Nassau.

• 3:32Holly Frey?

  The end.

• 3:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  They took some boats and raided Nassau and got the gunpowder and left. And it was the first amphibious landing for the US Marines, which sounds really notable until you think about the fact that the US Marines was a brand-new entity at that point.

• 3:51Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I mean, it is still notable and cool, but

• 3:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Sure.

• 3:55Holly Frey?

  Different Marines than we think of today.

• 3:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it, it just, it was such a straightforward thing that I did not think it was going to wind up feeling as fun and interesting as pirates were going to be. And then I also was a little tired of the Revolutionary War, having done multiple Revolutionary War episodes

• 4:17Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  in the weeks leading up to taking this trip.

• 4:20Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 4:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  In a weird coincidence, as we were preparing for this trip, and I was preparing the episode, my friend Jim texted me and said, Assassin's Creed: Black Flag Resynced is out, and you should buy it. He had tried to convince me to play the original game a while back, because I had never played it when it first came out, and I was trying to play it on Steam. And I had a stealth mission that I could not successfully complete. I kept getting caught, and I bounced off of it really early in the gameplay. And so I bought it and started playing it after this whole episode was written, but like the, the weekend before, we got on a plane to fly to Nassau.

• 5:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I was like, wow, okay, yeah, this game is all of the stuff that I just wrote about for the podcast, and also other pirates who we have talked about on the show previously. So I've been enjoying that game.

• 5:20Holly Frey?

  I'm only laughing because I remember you telling me while we were still at Bahama about Black Flag, and I was like, the punk band? Like, my brain couldn't get anywhere else. It was, I was just on the struggle bus. So like,

• 5:32Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes.

• 5:32Holly Frey?

  How are they related to the? I didn't.

• 5:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  Listen, it's a different Black Flag.

• 5:38Holly Frey?

  How dare?

• 5:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Holly Frey?

  I can only handle one, one thing having one name.

• 5:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right. Right.

• 5:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Which is funny, because so many things do have the same name.

• 5:51Holly Frey?

  It's true.

• 5:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I'm like, what else do I have to say about pirates this week? It's been so long since we recorded the episode. We typically record behind the scenes immediately after recording the episode. And for reasons of time, that is not what we have done this time.

• 6:10Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so a full week has passed between recording the episode and doing the behind the scenes. And so now I'm like, what, what was I even

• 6:19Holly Frey?

  What happened in that episode?

• 6:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Talking about a week ago? What did happen?

• 6:23Holly Frey?

  What happened there?

• 6:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  I don't know if we had ever really talked about how much piracy was interconnected with greater struggles between nations. We, I mean, we've talked about a number of pirates on the show before, and some of them that caused international incidents, like Henry Every, when he decided that he was going to attack a convoy that belonged to the Mughal Empire. But it was really when working on this one that I got a bigger sense of how much the rise in piracy had to do with things that did not actually have that much to do with the Caribbean, and were more about various European powers fighting with one another

• 7:06Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 7:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  and needing more sailors and having more privateers, and then cutting all those people loose for various reasons. And then also, the Jacobite movement, and the Jacobite Rising.

• 7:20Holly Frey?

  Connected to the whole thing.

• 7:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I read a couple of papers that were just, that was the whole topic, was looking at how many pirates were Jacobites. And if not, like hardcore Jacobites were at least nominally open to the idea of replace the king with someone, someone else. And some of them more were Jacobites as a way to express a more anti-current British monarchy

• 7:48Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 7:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  attitude more generally, not so much wanting a different king, but being opposed to the king overall.

• 7:55Holly Frey?

  Yeah. I always go back to that, that I'm going back a little bit to what you were talking about a moment ago, in terms of the interconnectedness of, with politics, of the idea that, you know, growing up, as you learn about pirates, that stuff is, tends to be very stripped out. But when you actually start studying it and you realize, like, the whole concept of like the Golden Age of Piracy really is one of those instances where, you know, huge institutions set up a system and then abandon that system and then criminalize it.

• 8:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:34Holly Frey?

  And it's just like, I guess we're just setting the tone for the next 200 years here.

• 8:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. You're a civilian, and we want you to attack ships, but not those ones, only these other ones.

• 8:47Holly Frey?

  Oh, and we don't want to be involved in this sticky business anymore. We're done. So

• 8:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 8:51Holly Frey?

  You're on your own.

• 8:54Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I, I, it really struck me as we were going through this one, just, man, same thing, different

• 9:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:03Holly Frey?

  century.

• 9:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:05Holly Frey?

  Yeah. Man, we know, we have set things up where you are going to depend financially on a system that involves us paying you to do this behavior, which is the only behavior you have ever learned, because that's been your trade. But now we're done, that trade is over. I guess you got to figure out another way to get money. And it's like, they don't, there really weren't a lot of options at that point, so.

• 9:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 9:28Holly Frey?

  Anyway, anyway. Piracy.

• 9:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:31Holly Frey?

  Piracy.

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  Do you want to talk about Thomas Huxley?

• 13:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Let's do talk about Thomas Huxley.

• 13:55Holly Frey?

  Thomas Huxley is like a balm to my soul. He's the antidote to Charles Goodyear.

• 14:00Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 14:01Holly Frey?

  Who I found infuriating. Thomas Huxley, I love you, man. We all need a Thomas Huxley as a friend. I love the fact that Darwin was like, I know my ideas are controversial. I don't want to fight about it. And Huxley's like, oh, I'll fight about it. I will. Yes, let's do this. I will, I will, any takers, I will, I'm ready to defend your ideas.

• 14:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 14:23Holly Frey?

  And he did so, so eloquently. We talked in the episode about, you know, what a great writer he was. But he is also, you know, incredibly well spoken. His turn of phrase is so charming and elegant.

• 14:36Holly Frey?

  Even as verbose as like the standard writing of the day was, I feel like his just really sings compared to a lot of other writers. I love it. I have imagined and dreamt of that Wilberforce debate.

• 14:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:50Holly Frey?

  Ever since.

• 14:54Holly Frey?

  I just love the idea of him just smacking somebody down and being like, that's fine.

• 14:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Holly Frey?

  I would rather be related to an ape than be somebody like you.

• 15:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 15:04Holly Frey?

  It's such a good burn. Oh, what a, what a good burn. I feel like if Thomas Huxley were alive today, he might be king of Jubilee, you know?

• 15:15Holly Frey?

  Let's just debate anybody.

• 15:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 15:17Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I just love him. I also love, you know, I, we set up the episode this way that he made this big blunder. And this is what led me to it. I was looking for marine biology things because I didn't want to do anything super like related to the, the... I just wasn't in the mood for stuff related to like the political history of the area or whatever. And I ended up in a marine biology thing that wasn't super duper about, you know, being in the Caribbean. But I really like that he made this big stupid mistake. And was totally confident enough to go, wow, that was a big stupid mistake.

• 15:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 15:55Holly Frey?

  Sorry, I'm going to rectify this at every opportunity. Like anytime I find a pocket of someone who doesn't know that I have retracted this and it's a big stupid mistake, I'm going to let them know and I'm going to inform them of what the reality was. I love everything about that. Because it shows incredible strength of character, right? Everybody is embarrassed by making mistakes in public. And that was a big one because it really shifted like, you know, it was at a time when everyone was so excited about the concepts of like, we have gotten to this place scientifically where we can figure out the origins of life, of not just humankind, but all life.

• 16:36Holly Frey?

  And how, you know, for him to think he had it and then be like, whoops, without being sheepish about it, but by explaining like, here is how I came to this incorrect conclusion. I just love it. I love it.

• 16:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 16:50Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I, I want a Thomas Huxley in my corner all day, every day. What a, what a dream, a delight of a human. I had another thing and now I forget it. I'm, I'm still back on just imagining Wilberforce blushing and getting really furious and running out. I do love that they named that room where the debate happened after Huxley.

• 17:13Holly Frey?

  Just like the burn never stops, it just keeps going. I do really also love, we didn't talk about it a whole lot. But of course, obviously, like the idea that this was a person who was all of these noble and, you know, strength of character type things we have been discussing. That on top of all of that, he was like, you know what? Everybody has the right to an education. Everybody. And I'm going to do whatever I can with my power, with my platform, to reach down and help people up the ladder. Because he, you know, he came from not a wealthy family. I just, I love that about him. I love that he's like, how can we do, how can we demystify science? How can we make science accessible for people who think science is not for them?

• 17:58Holly Frey?

  That it's for people in academia and in, you know, the, the hallowed halls of, of the scientific world? How can we make them understand that science is for them too? And how can we make women have more opportunities and educate? I, what a historical dreamboat, Thomas Huxley.

• 18:19Holly Frey?

  I love him. I love him so much. Yeah, that's, it was very funny because I was talking about him with my beloved, you know, in the way that you just kind of date a dump of whatever you're working on or researching. And this was actually not until today, a week later, in the car on the way to the veterinarian, because he just had a vet appointment. And I was talking about him because he was like, oh, I don't even know what you guys recorded last week. And we were talking and I was telling him about Thomas Huxley. And he goes, wait, Aldous Huxley? And I was like, that is in fact his grandson. And I was just ready to go. I was excited.

• 18:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, when I got your email with the outline in it. And I didn't know what you had been working on and it just said Huxley. That was my first thought.

• 19:03Holly Frey?

  Also interesting. Also interesting, you know, Brave New World cracked my brain open in new ways when I read it. I think I was 16 when I read it. It was good stuff. It's good stuff. What a legacy, what a familial legacy. I was trying to remember what Thomas Huxley's grandson, Andrew, had won the Nobel Prize for, as I was having this chat with my husband while I was driving. And then I came home and I reread what we had read, which was a quote, because I knew I couldn't parse what that science was. And now I'm like, oh, I don't know why I thought I would have remembered that. All right, great.

• 19:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 19:40Holly Frey?

  Great. I'm off the hook.

• 19:45Holly Frey?

  Yeah, just a phenomenal dude. And what a delight to get to talk about him in our very unique recording space last week. That was a wild one. It was super fun. But there, just as a peek behind the curtain for our listeners, the studio there is like windows on two of the four sides. And so, and it is in the middle of a big resort. So there are people just strolling by and sometimes peeking in and, which honestly, I found kind of charming and hilarious.

• 20:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  There's a cafe back there.

• 20:21Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 20:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  So we would occasionally see somebody just walking by with their ice cream.

• 20:28Holly Frey?

  If there are glints, for anyone watching on Netflix, if there are glints of envy in our eyes at various points, it's because I'm like, mm, that looks delicious.

• 20:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, there were a couple of times where somebody would be doing, I don't know, just, just goofing off in some way through the window. And I would get kind of distracted and be like, hey, hey, you need to pay attention to what you're doing.

• 20:48Holly Frey?

  You're working, you're on the clock.

• 20:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  You're at work right now.

• 20:50Holly Frey?

  That's it. I mean, I get distracted while I'm at work all time.

• 20:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 20:56Holly Frey?

  It just happens. I hope if this is your weekend coming up,

• 21:00Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh.

• 21:01Holly Frey?

  I hope you could escape somewhere beautiful and hang out and get ice cream. If that's your jam. If you don't like ice cream or it doesn't agree with you, I hope you find something else super delicious to eat. I hope if you, you know, can't run away, that you at least get some relaxation and do something super fun and restorative. Still eat whatever the delicious thing is, if you can. If you have obligations, like maybe your schedule is such that you actually work on the weekends or you have a family that has a lot of errands that needs to need to be run. Maybe you've got to take your kids to soccer practice. Maybe you've got to do any number of things. I hope that even while you're doing all those things or working your job, that you still find moments of joy for yourself and perhaps even ways to make joy for other people. That's very fulfilling.

• 21:46Holly Frey?

  And I hope that everybody is cool to each other because we all need it right now. We will be right back here on Monday with a brand new episode. We will also be right back here tomorrow with a classic.

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