Everything You Need to Know About the Minnesota Assassinations and Tim Walz Destroying His State

Liz Collin is one of the last objective reporters in Minneapolis. She says the political assassinations you’ve read about there probably aren’t what they seem. (00:00) The Truth About the Minnesota Assassinations (09:18) What Do We Know About the Man Charged With the Murders? (17:59) Did He Have Connections to Tim Walz? (21:08) Are These Assassinations Across the Country Manufactured? (26:06) How the Black Lives Matter Mob Got Collin and Her Husband Fired (54:20) Were the BLM Riots Planned? Paid partnerships with: PureTalk: Go to https://PureTalk.com/Tucker to make the switch XX-XY Athletics: Use code TUCKER25 for 25% off at https://thetruthfits.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:30Tucker Carlson?

  Five years ago this summer, George Floyd, a convicted felon, OD'd on fentanyl outside a convenience store in Minneapolis, and the country changed forever. Five years later, Tim Walz is still the governor. Keith Ellison is still the Attorney General. The cops, who were falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd, are mostly still in prison. But what happened to Minneapolis itself? Well, it's been wrecked. And no one has said a word about it. Liz Collin is one of the only journalists remaining in the state of Minnesota, and she gives us an update on the aftermath of the George Floyd revolution.

• 1:27Tucker Carlson?

  Liz, thank you. Media's died across. The country newspapers are going out of business. They're useless. Local news, basically gone. And the hope was always that there would be responsible people who cared about facts, reporting on what's happening at the state level and in cities. And in most places, that's not true. But it is true in Minnesota, thanks to you. So I'm grateful that you're filling that void, because we need to know what's happening. I want to start by, because I think you're an expert on like, what is the truth about the assassinations in your state of a couple Democratic lawmakers? Like, who's the guy who, like, what is that? There's lying around it. What's the truth?

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, sadly, the chaos really continues in Minnesota. Appreciate, you know, you having me on and thank you for your kind words about our reporting that we do over at Alpha News. But this all starts on a Saturday. It's a Saturday, June 14th, 2:00 in the morning, and this shooting spree begins. Vance Belter is the man who is charged now with the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark. But what we know is that he first arrives at Senator John Hoffman's home, the home he shares with his wife, Yvette. Their adult daughter happens to be in town during this, and Belter is dressed as a police officer.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  He's wearing also a latex mask. He has a flashlight, arrives at their door saying, "Police, open up." He's shouting. It's very chaotic. And basically, this is-

• 3:02Tucker Carlson?

  It's 2:00 in the morning?

• 3:03Speaker 02

  2:00 in the morning. They open their door to him, and he starts shooting, from what we understand. Senator Hoffman is hit multiple times. His wife hit multiple times. His daughter heroically calls 911, tells the police it's Senator Hoffman that's been shot. And this, in a way, I think, sends a message to the rest of the surrounding agencies that this could have something to do with legislators, or perhaps people are being targeted, you know, to look for this person, obviously. We know now that Belter stops at two more homes, people who are not home, legislators that are not home. At one point,

• 3:44Speaker 02

  he encounters a police officer in New Hope. That officer actually approaches his vehicle. He is in a vehicle that looks like a squad car, an SUV squad car, goes so far as to outfit it with police lettering, actually on the license plate. It says "Police" on the license plate. You know, a light bar, all the things you would look for in a squad. This new hope officer rolls up next to him. He is looking straight ahead and does not, you know, acknowledge the officer at all. She then rolls her window up and continues on to this lawmaker's home. So there's some questions about, you know, how was he not apprehended in that moment?

• 4:28Speaker 02

  This is when he then continues to the former House Speaker, DFL House Speaker Melissa Hortman's home. And there, at this point, the police catch up to him, the Brooklyn Park Police Department. They are doing a welfare check, basically, on the Hortman home, saying, you know, she doesn't live that far away. We should go to the Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman's home. And they get there, shots ring out, but from what we understand, between the police and Belter. Somehow Belter still gets inside the Hortman home. Mark is killed, and then they find Melissa's body inside the home as well later on.

• 5:09Tucker Carlson?

  So the police are there for the shooting?

• 5:11Speaker 02

  They are.

• 5:13Tucker Carlson?

  So how did he get away?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Still a lot of questions about that.

• 5:18Tucker Carlson?

  What? I didn't, I'm sorry, I didn't know that. I didn't get that.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  He goes out a back door, from what we understand, escapes on foot, because he leaves his police cruiser there on scene. This is where they find out it's Dan Spelter. He has utility bills in this vehicle, things that all trace back to him. And he gets back to an address that mysteriously he'd been renting for the last couple of years. It's very strange. He shared his home with his wife and five children in Green Isle, Minnesota, which is about an hour outside of Minneapolis. But yet he was renting this room in Minneapolis where he would stay two or three nights a week, from what we understand from the neighbors. And he'd show up at sometimes midnight, leave at four or five in the morning.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  We've been able to look a lot at his social media and what he's put out there. He was working at some funeral homes. We understand and would keep these strange hours, but neighbors actually thought he was a detective. That's what they thought of him. They thought it was strange that this guy would just show up a couple of times a week.

• 6:20Tucker Carlson?

  Working at funeral homes?

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:22Tucker Carlson?

  Doing what?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  He said that he was doing kind of some, just a disposal of bodies. He would talk about openly in a little college course that we found a clip of. But what's interesting is he ended his employment from what we understand from these funeral homes himself, just, you know, more recently. It seems that there's perhaps some financial trouble.

• 6:46Tucker Carlson?

  Before we get into him, can you just play out the rest of the timeline? So he escapes through the back door somehow. The police are there when he shoots these two people to death, but they don't get him. He winds up where? And how long does it take for them to find him?

• 7:02Speaker 02

  So he goes back to this Minneapolis address.

• 7:04Tucker Carlson?

  How far is that from the scene?

• 7:06Speaker 02

  It's, it's a walk. I mean, it's going to take a, take a little while to get there, definitely, you know, five, 10 miles or so to that address. He then, and we have this all on surveillance camera. We've been able to get some surveillance video from, from the neighbors who could see his last movements. He's moving around some of his police cars. At one point, a bike appears out of the shed. It's all very strange, but then he walks to a nearby bus stop. And again, according to the charging document, this is where he meets a stranger. He wants to buy an e-bike off of this guy who then offers and says, I actually have a car for sale, too. It breaks down a bit. But he buys the, the e-bike and this black Buick from this stranger at the bus stop for $900. This man actually drives

• 7:51Speaker 02

  him to the bank where he empties his $2,200 he has in his bank account. This is when the FBI releases surveillance video of him wearing a cowboy hat. This is the last picture. They, basically the picture they're releasing to the public to find this guy that morning. But this then leads to the largest manhunt in Minnesota history to find him. He ends up, we know now, he'd been texting his wife. He said something along the lines of dad went to war last night, and also something about not wanting the kids to be on the property because there's going to be some people that are trigger happy that could be there soon. So that seemed to be an indication he was going back to their home.

• 8:31Tucker Carlson?

  Calls himself dad in his text with his wife?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's freaky.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  And then it sounds like he went back to that address to get money. There was a large amount of money that was left at the the home. Ultimately, though,

• 8:46Tucker Carlson?

  The one that he was renting.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  The actual home that he shared with his wife and children in Green Isle. So he drives back there.

• 8:53Tucker Carlson?

  And then where does he go?

• 8:55Speaker 02

  He's actually found in a field not far from that home at all. At this point, police had set up around his home. It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be getting into his house to get this cash. His wife, at one point, is pulled over shortly after. She leaves the the property, and she's found a couple hours from their home with guns, their passports, and about $10,000 in cash.

• 9:24Tucker Carlson?

  Where the kids?

• 9:24Speaker 02

  In their vehicle. Three children are with her. Some of them are, a couple of them are older, older kids. And it turns out from some of the reporting that's been done now, they, you know, called themselves preppers. They had kind of a plan. It's unclear if the wife was new of what he he did.

• 9:45Tucker Carlson?

  She's been charged?

• 9:46Speaker 02

  She has not been charged. Correct.

• 9:49Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, this is even weirder story than I realized. Okay, so who is he? What do we know about the man who has been charged with these murders?

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is what's interesting. He grew up in a small town in Minnesota, in Sleepy Eye. His dad was a standout baseball star, a longtime baseball-

• 10:08Tucker Carlson?

  Sleepy Eyes, the name of the town?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Sleepy Eye, Minnesota. Yes.

• 10:11Tucker Carlson?

  So great. I love this country.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  And he has, a lot of people have described him to us as a devout Christian. I don't think you're a Christian if you're capable of this, clearly. It's interesting how the media, you see this happening with this story, automatically takes their corners. You have some friend of his that says he's a Trump supporter. So this is how the the story is painted, that this, you know, lunatic Trump supporter goes on this this rampage. But there's clearly so much more.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  To this, and that's what bothers me with with the media. Nobody's willing to really ask these questions.

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• 13:46Tucker Carlson?

  What is that? What are we looking at here? This is bizarre. Father of five, prepper from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota, all of a sudden winds up wearing a latex mask and like a fake police car and murdering people? And then the police don't arrest him somehow at the shooting? I mean, the whole thing. But what do we know about him? So?

• 14:06Speaker 02

  So he has also a hit list in his vehicle. Literally called a hit list, a handwritten.

• 14:13Tucker Carlson?

  It says "hit list" on it?

• 14:14Speaker 02

  It does. And there are 60 names of.

• 14:18Tucker Carlson?

  In case he might, is he worried that he might forget what the list is?

• 14:22Speaker 02

  There's all kinds of notebooks with all kinds of things in them, from what we understand. We did obtain this hit list that went out to law enforcement because obviously they were protecting all of these legislators, trying to figure out, you know, where this guy was. Because this manhunt goes on for 43 hours before he just surrenders in a field, puts his hands up in the air, and basically walks toward law enforcement and says, "I'm Vance Belter."

• 14:46Speaker 02

  But this hit list, these are all Democrats on the list. There's a couple abortion clinics, Planned Parenthoods that are on there. So people have said, you know, this is some sort of pro-life thing. But also, interestingly enough, he has a confession letter. This is what I would call it. It's a letter made out to the FBI to Cash Patel that says that Governor Tim Walz made him do this. He says that he made him do it because he wanted Senator Amy Klobuchar to be killed, and Walz then to take that Senate seat. Which, again, makes no sense to any sane person. But these are all part of the pieces that the authorities seem to be putting together.

• 15:30Tucker Carlson?

  Was Amy Klobuchar on the list?

• 15:31Speaker 02

  What's interesting is Walz is not on the list. Klobuchar is on the list. Some, there's somebody who has passed away that's on the list. Some people who are not holding office anymore that are that are on the list. So the list is a little, a little strange in and of itself.

• 15:52Tucker Carlson?

  What did he spend his life doing? Like, what's his history? This guy's in his 50s?

• 15:57Speaker 02

  57.

• 15:58Tucker Carlson?

  Not a typical profile.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  No, it's...

• 16:01Tucker Carlson?

  Of a serial killer.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Right. That's where it seems that there seems to be some financial issues. We know that he spent some time in the Congo. He talks about that.

• 16:14Tucker Carlson?

  In Congo?

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:16Tucker Carlson?

  A lot of people from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota are just kind of hanging in the Congo?

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Right. He was doing some mission trips, mission trips there. But there are also some nonprofits that he would start, but they had no customer base. There was a couple of security businesses that didn't have actual customers. His wife was listed on a website, linked to a security business. We know of this funeral homework that was going on.

• 16:41Tucker Carlson?

  Did he have a career? I mean, did he spend...

• 16:43Speaker 02

  He was in the, again, according to his LinkedIn profile, that is now down, but did decades in the food service industry. He was a general manager at a 7-Eleven. That was listed as well. But from my law enforcement sources, it sounds like just a lot of this was just made up. Almost like there was this double life that was was being lived.

• 17:05Tucker Carlson?

  But at some point, he moves out part-time from his wife and five children to live in an apartment with a roommate.

• 17:14Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, what is that?

• 17:16Speaker 02

  The way his roommate described it, he was working at these funeral homes and would keep kind of odd hours. And so Minneapolis would be closer to, you know, where these would be located. But what's interesting is even in his last movements that have been tracked by, by the neighbors, everybody has these great security cameras nowadays, and they're kind of doing the detective work themselves over in that neighborhood as well. But you can see him coming in with some plastic bags. We know now he'd bought some supplies at Fleet Farm just leading up to these attacks. He's walking out with his notepads. From what law enforcement has said, he was doing a lot of writing, a lot of ramblings as they've

• 17:59Speaker 02

  just described them. At first, they said there was, you know, this manifesto, they've kind of backed off on that and said it's more of this hit list, nothing that seems to really make much sense as far as a motive is concerned at this point. But for some reason, he did surrender to law enforcement. And it seems in a way, he wants to tell his story.

• 18:21Tucker Carlson?

  Um, wow. Is there any evidence that he had contact with law enforcement before this at any level?

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Actually, no, no criminal record, nothing.

• 18:31Tucker Carlson?

  Did he have any connection to the government at all that we know of?

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Well, this is what's interesting. Also, in that confession letter, he talks about he is trained by the military. He says that he's, and this is what was on the website as well, that he did security in Eastern Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, it says on his website. But at this point, just still so many questions about what is actually even true.

• 18:58Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think?

• 19:01Speaker 02

  You know, it's, it's been, it's been difficult because in Minnesota, you just keep saying that these kinds of things don't happen, and then they do. And so much of this has, has happened. We've kind of been dubbed this capital of chaos these last five or six years. And it's pretty disheartening. You try to approach everything as a reporter and gather as many facts, but you're like, how, how have we now come to report on political assassinations in Minnesota?

• 19:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not surprised, given what's happened in the last five years. But I just wonder about this story in particular. Did he have contact with Walls? Do we know that Walls ever, suppose Walls said, I met this guy ever?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Well, this is what's interesting. We know that he served on a board appointed by Walls. However, I'll say that

• 19:55Tucker Carlson?

  What kind of board was that?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  It was a workforce development board. They have, I think, more than 100 of these boards in Minnesota. Most of them are voluntary boards. So he was appointed to that board by Governor Mark Dayton, a Democrat, and reappointed by Walls. That expired in 2023. So it is unclear if they ever knew each other. They were on the, interesting, Senator Hoffman and Vance Belter were on the same board together. So you would think that they somehow knew each other.

• 20:30Tucker Carlson?

  How did, how did a 7-Eleven manager slash mortuary remains disposal guy wind up on a governor appointed board in the state?

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Also a good question.

• 20:42Tucker Carlson?

  It's a little weird, right?

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, there's just so many, so many things in his background that don't seem to make much sense. And also just, he had several properties in his name, seven cars. He's asking for a public defender because he has no money. He just paid more than $500,000 for his home in Green Isle a couple of years ago.

• 21:03Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 21:03Speaker 02

  So where's the money coming from? I think there are questions about, about that as well.

• 21:07Tucker Carlson?

  From the body disposal business? Like, how much does, and this guy is renting an apartment to take a job hours from his $500,000 home? That cannot be a high paying job. I don't, I don't know what mortuary's pay to dispose of bodies, but it can't be a lot.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, law enforcement seems to think that he'd been plotting, you know, something for a long time. What was the final, you know?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 21:34Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so nothing about this makes sense at all.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 21:37Tucker Carlson?

  So there's been a ton of speculation that he, like a number of other people, high-profile murderers in the last 50 years, may have been like not at all what he seemed to be. This is like some sort of operation designed to discredit, you know, the enemies of the people who designed it. Do you think there's any, I mean, is it worth pulling on those threads?

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I think it's worth it, and that's what we've been been doing. It just seems that, you know, even talking to profilers through this, they really, maybe there is something more because none of this actually makes sense or adds up to become that radicalized, you know, what actually, what actually happened. But it's a story, you know, we're obviously staying on and.

• 22:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, maybe it'll wind up like the Vegas shooting where it doesn't make sense at all, and no one wants to talk about it, and we just kind of forget about it. You know, biggest mass shooting in American history that like no one mentions ever. But clearly, it's not.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  And you've already seen that with the media in Minnesota. It's okay, he's a Trump supporter. We, this is why he did it, and that's it. I mean, it's just absolutely insane what has happened to the media. No curiosity, no common sense. It's really disgusting, and no wonder the the public is not informed, especially in Minnesota.

• 23:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and this story is just inherently bizarre. So you've, you're from the state, you've worked in media there, you were one of the highest rated anchors in the state. You've made a couple of references to the media. It might be worth reminding people what happened. If you could just give us a short tour of your work history. How did you lose your job in television in Minnesota?

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I worked at WCCO, longtime anchor and investigative reporter there. My family was caught up in the George Floyd fallout. My husband, a longtime.

• 23:36Tucker Carlson?

  You murdered George Floyd?

• 23:38Speaker 02

  No, I did not. Okay, good. Despite what the media may tell you. But they, yeah, so many people were canceled in the wake of all of that. And I was one of them. My husband, longtime Minneapolis police officer, he was serving as the union president at the time. He came out with a few sentences that basically said, we'd like the body camera footage. We're awaiting that. Let's not rush to judgment with all of this. And, you know, we're backing these police officers until we, you know, no more. He did what a union president, I think, probably is supposed to do.

• 24:14Tucker Carlson?

  I hope any American citizen would take that same position. We're not going to send people to prison unless we know they're guilty.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  And then it was just like that.

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• 26:03Speaker 07

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  Undo your flu symptoms with Nyquil Intense Flu. The nighttime sniffling, aching, aching fever best leave with a flu medicine. You do got this. Users directed, keep out of reach of children. Turn off. So your husband said, as the FOP president, you know, let's just find out exactly what happened before we decide. We know what happened. And then what happened when he said that?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Um, he had to lose his job. I had to lose my job.

• 26:30Tucker Carlson?

  He lost his job for that?

• 26:31Speaker 02

  The mob came after us. I mean, he had been planning at that point to retire around this time anyway. But yeah, the mob came out in, in full attack. I never anchored a newscast at WCCO ever again.

• 26:44Tucker Carlson?

  What? What did you have to do with it?

• 26:47Speaker 02

  I'm still not exactly sure, but um, that's, fear is a powerful thing, I think, especially in, in Minnesota.

• 26:56Tucker Carlson?

  Well, let's, let's unpack this. Okay, so your husband had to leave after 32 years as a police officer because he said, let's wait for the evidence before deciding. Okay. I can see that happening in the hysteria and the, the race mobs that formed after George Floyd, Odieta and Fennel. But what do you, how are you, why would you be punished for that?

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was ridiculous. I finished out my contract and then eventually left, but I would go.

• 27:28Tucker Carlson?

  But why were you not allowed to do newscasts after?

• 27:31Speaker 02

  You know, at first I understood that I obviously can't report on this story. There's a conflict of interest and I never had. I'd never reported on police union issues in, in Minneapolis. I mean, we'd been married for a few years by the time this even happened. But all of a sudden it became like we were in this hidden marriage. As if I was supposed to start every newscast by talking about who my husband is. I mean, can you imagine in this world why this even matters? But then it appeared, my name started appearing, um, you know, every story that I did, no matter what, it would be, and just a reminder, Liz Collins is married to Bob Crowell. I mean, literally this would be printed in, in stories on the, on our website. And I was like, this is, you know, this is just completely absolutely insane.

• 28:10Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, your employer put that?

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Yes, it was this disclaimer because they felt like they needed to, you know, the public needed to know this because of everything that had transpired.

• 28:20Tucker Carlson?

  So the station, without asking you, kept doing this?

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Right. This is a CBS station. I mean, I don't think, I think you can watch any CBS station and realize what is going on in those places. CBS.

• 28:33Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it's owned and operated?

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:36Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. So how did they tell you you're no longer allowed to do your job because of who your husband is?

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Well, at first it just drags on for weeks, weeks turned to months and.

• 28:48Tucker Carlson?

  But they pulled you off the air?

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Yes, I was still allowed to report on a few things, but I was no longer allowed to report on state government, city government, anything to do with policing. I would have to get permission before I would even be able to call someone in law enforcement. I mean, this has been my career. I mean, I have a lot of good sources and I've reported on a lot of these issues long before I was even married to Bob, but all of a sudden everything became, you know, an issue. And I, and I will say that my husband appeared on stage with President Trump. This was back in 2019 when he was running for reelection and that really became an issue with the station as well.

• 29:34Tucker Carlson?

  That your husband liked Trump?

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 29:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you can't, can't have an anchor whose husband likes Trump.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:40Tucker Carlson?

  Right, okay. Yeah, it's a really sick country. Wow. So then you said the mob came. What does that mean?

• 29:49Speaker 02

  It really just means the mob came.

• 29:50Tucker Carlson?

  You're very literal, okay?

• 29:53Speaker 02

  They showed up to the station, they held, they held protests demanding that I be fired.

• 29:59Tucker Carlson?

  For being married to a cop?

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Right, yes. And then they showed up at our home four different times. We had protests that summer of 2020.

• 30:08Tucker Carlson?

  At your home?

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Yes, one sponsored by Black Lives Matter. They showed up with pinata effigies of myself and my husband and beat us in our driveway.

• 30:19Tucker Carlson?

  Welcome to South Africa. That's crazy.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:23Tucker Carlson?

  And you had a child at home?

• 30:25Speaker 02

  We were not home that, that weekend, but yes, my, actually my child discovered this on YouTube years after it happened. I thought I would keep it from him, but.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  You can't do that, I guess, in this digital world we

• 30:37Tucker Carlson?

  Wouldn't you tend to shoot them?

• 30:39Speaker 02

  I think that's why I made sure my husband left town.

• 30:43Tucker Carlson?

  No, I mean, that that's such a threatening act. I'm against shooting people in general, but I think I would shoot someone who did that just because I would, I would feel so threatened. I mean, your home?

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've never felt so violated, um, but before. I consider myself a pretty strong person, but it took me even a long time to even walk in the front lawn again, just thinking. They took a knee around our flag, our American flag. If you were black, you were allowed to kneel in our front yard. And if you're white, you had to look on as they were shouting. I mean, they literally brought a bullhorn. They were shouting swear words at our neighborhood kids, threatening to burn the city down where we lived.

• 31:22Tucker Carlson?

  And no one shot them. It's so weird how passive people are like, you couldn't get away with that 50 years ago. You couldn't do that.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  Many, um, cities have now passed ordinances in Minnesota saying if you don't pull a permit to protest, we're going to arrest all of you. Because nobody was arrested, nothing happened that day.

• 31:40Tucker Carlson?

  And your husband was a cop?

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 31:42Tucker Carlson?

  And his fellow cops didn't, nobody did anything?

• 31:45Speaker 02

  Well, they wanted to show up also, but you know, I don't, we also have to recognize with these groups. This is what they want. They want confrontation. They want lawsuits. This is what they want.

• 31:57Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe if someone smacked them in the face once in a while, they'd be a little more respectful. I mean, I just think if you allow that kind of behavior, you're going to get more of it, right?

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Well, and I actually think this is what has happened in Minnesota. These political disagreements have turned into these political attacks and people have allowed this to happen.

• 32:13Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I completely agree. It's passive Scandinavians. I know them well. I hate them. Sorry, excuse me. I'm one of them.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  You are one of them.

• 32:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I know. But that's why I can say that I'm allowed to say that. But yeah, yeah, they're totally passive and self hating and, you know, rape my wife. I mean, they're really, it's a sickness in their brains. But it's, that's just so sad. So, and they came back more than once, this mom?

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, this was the largest. I mean, it was more than a hundred people paid, people paid to, you know, to be there that, that day. They had lunch provided. I mean, this is just completely insane.

• 32:44Tucker Carlson?

  Who do you think paid for it?

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Well, Black Lives Matter was involved. You could, and this is what I thought was interesting as a reporter. So keep in mind, I was still working at WCCO at the time, but I called my news director and I said, the man leading this protest, he's running to be a state rep and he's endorsed by Walls and the Democratic Party. I think that we should probably cover this.

• 33:05Tucker Carlson?

  I did a story on this.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:08Tucker Carlson?

  I'm sorry.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  I saw the protest on.

• 33:10Tucker Carlson?

  This is all coming back to me.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:13Tucker Carlson?

  Was that guy elected state rep?

• 33:15Speaker 02

  He was elected and I called my news director and I said, I think this is newsworthy. You will not even believe what happened. And I was told that.

• 33:21Tucker Carlson?

  He was a racist too, that guy.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Yes. But I was told that that phone call showed my bias. How dare I, how dare I think that that's a news story. You're so biased.

• 33:32Tucker Carlson?

  They said that to you at the station?

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. And so it would be days before they actually even reported on the, on the protest before they had no choice, but.

• 33:39Tucker Carlson?

  At their own employee's house?

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 33:42Tucker Carlson?

  A guy running for state house saying racist, anti-white things. I remember this now. Wow. I totally forgot this. That was you.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  That was me.

• 33:50Tucker Carlson?

  I'm so sorry. It's so hateful. So how long were you at the station after that?

• 33:56Speaker 02

  So I finished my contract a couple of years, not, not even quite. And then I had kind of as a therapy worked on my book called They're Lying, The Media, The Left and The Death of George Floyd, which is a bit about my personal story and so much of the truth that just never stood a chance with all of this. And I left. I went into independent media. I didn't want to lie anymore. I was disgusted with what the media had, had turned into.

• 34:26Tucker Carlson?

  How long were you at the station?

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Nearly 14 years.

• 34:30Tucker Carlson?

  Wow. So what about all the people you, when you work in a place, you like, you know, you know, your supervisor, you know, all the vice presidents and the, the station manager, the HR people. Did, did anyone ever say, gosh, we're really mistreating you. We're sorry. Been here 14 years and we're, anyone, was there any human?

• 34:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 34:51Tucker Carlson?

  Touch at all?

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I still have, you know, still have some friends, but I think that's really in life where.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  They knew the professional I was. They knew the work that I had done and that hurt. You know, for the people that, you know, I kind of needed to stick up for me in that moment and they, and they didn't. But it's also a bit of a relief knowing that, that's why when I left, I, I was ready. I was, you know, I knew that I could, it was time to listen to that little voice inside of me and I'd been praying about it for a long time and, and just knew that there were things that I really had, had to do. It was a matter of truth.

• 35:33Tucker Carlson?

  I hope the station goes bankrupt. Is it still there?

• 35:36Speaker 02

  I don't think they're doing so well, but I think that's local media in, in general.

• 35:39Tucker Carlson?

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• 36:15Speaker 05

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• 36:45Speaker 06

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• 36:49Speaker 07

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• 37:16Tucker Carlson?

  But to abandon your longtime employee because the mob demands it is like maybe the lowest thing I can think of.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  You know, it was crazy because I grew up watching that station. I mean, literally, it was the dream job when I finally landed it, when I worked in all these crappy markets, you know, who lived in crappy places. But I, you know, I loved the news because I always felt like I'm, you know, I'm just going to do whatever it takes to get back home, to be able to broadcast, you know, my hometown and whatnot, as goofy as that sounds.

• 37:50Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't sound goofy, it sounds great, actually.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  But, and then it, it happened and just kind of, but I, you know, it's not even, even before George Floyd, you could see what the media was, was turning into. And that really bothered me on a moral and ethical level more than anything else. Just not so much what we would tell the public anymore, but what we would not, how we would craft a story. I talk a lot about this in the book, but there were mandates after George Floyd that half of the people we interviewed had to be non-white or from a protected class in the wake of-

• 38:27Tucker Carlson?

  Where did those mandates come from?

• 38:28Speaker 02

  From what I understand, CBS News. You could not use the term riots at all in your reporting.

• 38:35Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Right. Just the way we would control the language and-

• 38:38Tucker Carlson?

  WCCO?

• 38:39Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 38:40Tucker Carlson?

  Boy, I can't, when they do go bankrupt, will you text me just so I can celebrate?

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Let you know.

• 38:46Tucker Carlson?

  I really hope that they go under soon. That's so dishonest.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it hasn't, it's actually only gotten worse, I think, with a lot of things that has, that have transpired. But again, I'm, I feel blessed to be on the other side. Perhaps you can relate.

• 39:02Tucker Carlson?

  You're a positive person. It's just, I think it's important to know, because the net effect was the death of a lot of people, the total destruction of a great American city.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:14Tucker Carlson?

  It was just pure evil in the end. Black people didn't benefit, white people didn't, I mean, no one benefited, really. And it just bothers me that it's been memory-holed and that no one responsible for the killing and the destruction has ever been held accountable.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:31Tucker Carlson?

  Since you wrote a book on it, and it's been five years, can we just assess what the, what was the George Floyd thing, do you think? Having looked into it more than maybe any other person.

• 39:44Tucker Carlson?

  What's your like, how did how did George Floyd die? What was that? How did? Why did that instantly become a revolution that wrecked my country? And what was that?

• 39:56Speaker 02

  You could definitely tell. I mean, Minnesota, we really had the perfect players in place. Again, we have Governor Tim Walz. We have Attorney General Keith Ellison, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry. This was an election year that had so much to do with with it. And you could see these things were happening around the country, you know, just looking to spark chaos. And in Minneapolis, they they had the recipe. And I saw the manipulation day one. They were not. They did not release the body camera videos.

• 40:30Tucker Carlson?

  Can I say it's a it was one of the whitest cities in America, along with Portland and Seattle?

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true. Yes, primarily, yes.

• 40:37Tucker Carlson?

  So that is another factor. It's the, you know, this didn't happen in Miami because the Hispanics don't hate themselves, but the whites do. This is just my editorializing. It's just the demographics played a role in this. It was the it was the whitest cities that went the craziest.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  But you have this, as they frame it, this white police officer, you know, kneeling on the neck of a black man. The optics were there. However, the body camera video shows a much different story. And if they would have released this, I just don't even think we'd be here having this.

• 41:07Tucker Carlson?

  But is there any evidence that George Floyd was was suffocated by Derek Chauvin?

• 41:12Speaker 02

  No, there is much more evidence to support that that in fact had nothing to do with it. You have George Floyd talking about how he can't breathe before Derek Chauvin.

• 41:20Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Arrives on scene. You have a black police officer who arrested George Floyd and Alex King, who was on the job for three days off of his field training. Nobody talks about Alex King.

• 41:31Tucker Carlson?

  What happened to him?

• 41:32Speaker 02

  He just got out of prison.

• 41:33Tucker Carlson?

  He went to prison?

• 41:34Speaker 02

  He's one of the the four police officers put in in prison. But nobody knows about, they think this is just a white cop, um, black suspect.

• 41:44Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't know that.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  And this is the story the media told and it's disgusting.

• 41:48Tucker Carlson?

  Bottom line, is there actual evidence that Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd?

• 41:54Speaker 02

  I would say the answer is no. There's no strangulation marks. There's no bruising on his neck. Um, why didn't they release the autopsy, which was done within 12 hours of him, uh, dying, uh, to the public that showed all of this. Uh, he had an enlarged heart. He died of a heart attack. The first words on his, uh, autopsy are just that cardiopulmonary arrest is his cause of death.

• 42:19Tucker Carlson?

  Did not die of suffocation?

• 42:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:24Tucker Carlson?

  So why is Derek Chauvin still in jail? Why did Officer King go to jail? Is there anyone else in jail for this still?

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Uh, Thomas Lane was released also and Tutao was still in prison. Uh, Tutao was given an extra year on his sentence because, uh, the judge in this case, Judge Peter Cahill, did not like how he was reciting Bible verses during his sentencing and gave him an extra year.

• 42:51Tucker Carlson?

  But the real threat is Iran.

• 42:57Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, that's so offensive. It's hard. You still live there?

• 43:00Speaker 02

  I do. Yeah.

• 43:03Tucker Carlson?

  So how did, if, if there's no evidence that he murdered George Floyd, why was I at Fox scolded for saying that he didn't murder George Floyd, which I was, by the way, I said, George Floyd seemed like he died of a drug OD. Cause that's what the autopsy seemed to say. Um, why is that not widely known? Why does nobody, even now, five years later, people have to go, oh, he was killed by a white, and all these, I'm trying not to use the effort, but all these Republican office holders are like, no, he was murdered by a, you know what I mean? A white cop.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I hear it still.

• 43:34Tucker Carlson?

  It's not true.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it, it isn't. And there's, there's a reason race never even came up in Derek Chauvin's trial. There's no evidence of race having anything to do with anything. Um, and that's why I put the book out and it was released in, in 2022, right before. I wanted it out before the election for Walz and Ellison. Sadly, it didn't work, but but then we it led to the documentary called The Fall of Minneapolis. And we tried to really bring out the the truth that nobody heard in this case in that documentary. And more than 10 million people have seen it all around the world, which is amazing, considering it was just kind of this little this little documentary. But it also, I think, proves that the truth still matters. I just wish somebody would do something about it.

• 44:21Tucker Carlson?

  So is this is there anyone else in Minneapolis saying this?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  No, it's actually interesting. They then paint me, of course, I'm a right wing conspiracy theorist. That's how I'm referred to. I'm just a crazy person for bringing out these facts. I mean, again, I think it's 237 citations I have in my book. This is all I'm a journalist. This is what I've done for 20 years.

• 44:43Tucker Carlson?

  But what's the counter argument is, okay, so everyone stands up Nikki Haley and Jeb Bush and all, you know, all these people, probably the majority of the Republican senators who were serving five years ago, said this, you know, black man murdered by a white cop.

• 45:03Tucker Carlson?

  What evidence are they pointing to to to prove that?

• 45:07Tucker Carlson?

  And how did he get convicted of it?

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Well, the trial in and of itself is really quite quite something. You have the police training, the maximal restraint technique that the officers were using that day that was not allowed in trial. Judge Cahill did not allow that in Chauvin's trial.

• 45:24Tucker Carlson?

  Explain what that is.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  So interestingly enough, these two pages of the manual go offline two days after the incident. They disappear, the MRT. And you can hear in the body camera footage, which, again, the public is not allowed to see until many months later. And to this day, most people have never taken the time to watch the video, of course. And the officers are talking about the MRT. Thomas Lane says, let's just M R E. He means MRT. They all are working together in this moment, knowing what the MRT is. Why then do you have the mayor? He comes out about 24 hours later and says, and by the way,

• 46:09Speaker 02

  this is a technique not trained by the MPD.

• 46:12Tucker Carlson?

  This is Jacob Fry.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 46:14Tucker Carlson?

  Who is he? Is he from Minneapolis?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  No, from Virginia. He was brought to Minneapolis to run for city council and then

• 46:21Tucker Carlson?

  By whom?

• 46:22Speaker 02

  The mayor. Good question.

• 46:25Tucker Carlson?

  He's not, he has nothing to do with Minneapolis at all. And he winds up

• 46:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:28Tucker Carlson?

  becoming mayor.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  And in many ways destroying Minneapolis.

• 46:32Tucker Carlson?

  Is he still there?

• 46:33Speaker 02

  He's still there.

• 46:34Tucker Carlson?

  Is he still the mayor?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  He's still the mayor.

• 46:37Tucker Carlson?

  Why isn't he in prison?

• 46:39Speaker 02

  You know, I have gone to him for more interview requests at this point than I can count. At one point I just started chasing him around one morning to try to get him to answer questions. It's kind of funny that somebody would be literally running away from me, but that's what he did. But I just, my question is, why are you lying? Why have you been lying about all this? Because we saw this again, this five years later, these stories are just so over the top and nobody is telling the truth about it, even five years later. It's almost as if you just continue to repeat this lie. You know, enough people will believe it.

• 47:11Tucker Carlson?

  The mayor, Jacob Fry, who's not from Minneapolis, was brought in and somehow becomes mayor and then wrecks the city that he's not from, didn't build. He says in public shortly after the death that the restraint technique the police officers used on George Floyd was not taught to them.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 47:31Tucker Carlson?

  And that's not true.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, these pages go missing of the manual.

• 47:35Tucker Carlson?

  Which, which explain the technique.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  And exactly. And I said into my newsroom at the time, this is really quite something. They are trying to cover this up. We should really be doing a story about this. And I'm the crazy person.

• 47:49Tucker Carlson?

  What did they say?

• 47:50Speaker 02

  It was just like, you have to go along with this narrative. This is the narrative of the moment and we are going to push it on the public. We even had reporters using Black Lives Matter as hashtags in their reporting.

• 48:03Tucker Carlson?

  Not really.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Really? And that was allowed. And I said, well, here's their website and this is a political organization. Why would we allow this ever? But again, I'm the

• 48:18Speaker 02

  The crazy conservative, I guess, in the newsroom at this point. That was the corner I was cast in, and I should just shut up.

• 48:27Tucker Carlson?

  I guess this is why I've forgotten so many of the details because they're just horrifying. So, so the public doesn't get to know that the restraint technique that the police officers, not just Derek Chauvin, but the other three, used against this berserk drug addict convicted felon, that that was a technique that they learned at the police academy and that was...

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Trained for decades.

• 48:47Tucker Carlson?

  Trained for decades.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it'd been around for, we found manuals with the MRT in the 90s. I mean, we did a lot of research.

• 48:55Tucker Carlson?

  Did they apply it correctly? Did they do what they were taught to do?

• 48:57Speaker 02

  It's in, it's actually in there to wait, to hold and wait for EMS. This is also something else that was never talked about. The ambulance went to the wrong address, which is why there is such a long, typically, an ambulance would be there in about 90 seconds at the most. There's, you know, a fire station that close. They went to the wrong address. And you see this on the body camera footage, that one of the paramedics is almost joking around with Thomas Lane going, "Gosh, we didn't know where you guys were. We went to the wrong place. It's why it took us so long." And there's a very problematic EMS response to all of this. That isn't, that is also not allowed to be discussed in Chauvin's trial either.

• 49:38Tucker Carlson?

  What's the problematic EMS response?

• 49:40Speaker 02

  The fact that they go to the wrong address. They also are hooking George Floyd up to, to get air to breathe and the, the machine itself is not plugged in, in the ambulance. You know, there has been...

• 49:56Tucker Carlson?

  The machine is not plugged in?

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Yes. This is all in the, in the documentary.

• 50:01Tucker Carlson?

  Did anybody hit him with Narcan?

• 50:04Speaker 02

  You know, that's a question I get quite a bit, and this is before, you know, this is more than five years ago at this point where they didn't even, the officers didn't all have Narcan at that point. This is kind of just the beginnings of all of that. And you also had two officers that were brand new and they were partnered together. And I think you can see even just with their interactions, they understand something is going on with him. He also stuffed some...

• 50:33Speaker 02

  You know what you think are drugs in his mouth during their interaction and they're asking him, what do you want? What did you take? And you know, he's very combative, but they think it's more of a, something is going on medically. They try to get him into the squad car. It's George Floyd himself who asks to be laid on the ground. Many people don't know that. He asks to be laid on the ground himself. And this is just this hold that they do. But we quickly find out, again, it's within 12 hours, that in his autopsy, you can see that he's been described to us as a ticking time bomb. Sadly, George Floyd. He has this tumor, a paraganglioma, that more testing isn't done on that. And that

• 51:14Speaker 02

  can lead to, in his hip, a large tumor. And that can lead to death when people are in that hyped state, which clearly George Floyd is.

• 51:23Tucker Carlson?

  You can see on his face when you watch the video that he knows he's dying. And he's panicked.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:29Tucker Carlson?

  I'll speak for myself and say, I really felt for the guy. You can see the terror in his eyes. Like, he's on his way out. He's not ready for it. You know, God knows where he's going. And he knows, he knows that. And, but it's, it's just obvious from the video that has nothing to do with how he's being treated by the cops. Like, that's why he's freaking out, because he knows he's dying. Did you feel that, watching?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Well, I have been a kind of a cops reporter, I guess, for years. But you always know that there's more to this. And also quickly, we learn within those first couple of days, he'd been arrested in 2019 by the Minneapolis Police Department. He was the subject of an undercover drug investigation, George Floyd. Again, something people had no idea, almost exactly a year prior. And police have an interaction with him, and he has an overdose. It's almost a carbon copy of the interaction. Don't shoot me. He's very resistant.

• 52:20Tucker Carlson?

  Is this on video?

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Saying, I can't breathe. Yes, it's all, all on video. And that's actually how we start our documentary.

• 52:25Tucker Carlson?

  What? Was that introduced to his trial?

• 52:27Speaker 02

  In fact, the police say that, the police chief says they've never heard of George Floyd before. They have no idea who he is. And that's in shortly after.

• 52:36Tucker Carlson?

  The police chief says that? Why would he say that?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  That's a whole nother. Yeah, the police chief at the time is Madera Arredondo. He's serving in that capacity.

• 52:47Tucker Carlson?

  He's from Minneapolis?

• 52:48Speaker 02

  He's from Minneapolis, but many people on the department, they feel that he just sold their entire department out.

• 52:56Tucker Carlson?

  Where is he now?

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Looking for a job, I think. He's selling a book.

• 53:02Tucker Carlson?

  May he long be unemployed. Is he an ally of Jacob Fries?

• 53:06Speaker 02

  Yes, I mean, certainly. Yes, the mayor and the chief worked alongside each other. But you also have this chief who then makes this all about race. He embraces that also.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  And again, when it's so clear, the evidence doesn't support that at all. You have a among American officer in Tootow, a black officer in Alex King, and then Thomas Lane and Derek Chauvin, who are white, and they sold this to the public as this is the...

• 53:34Tucker Carlson?

  The face of white supremacy.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 53:37Tucker Carlson?

  And all these repulsive preachers got up there and Protestant churches and sold that to their congregations, all these politicians, like basically every leader, every business leader, you know, the entire leadership class of the country pivoted behind this lie within 24 hours. Nikki Haley was like, we need Minneapolis to burn down. It'll be an atonement for the sins of white supremacy. I mean, it was like, never seen anything like it. What was that? Like, it really felt like they were, this was a play that they had, like, planned for this day.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  You had Governor Walz saying these same things, fanning, again, fanning the flames, withholding the National Guard, encouraging people to basically show up and protest. You had his wife speak on camera about how she left the windows open to the governor's mansion so she could smell the burning tires, just to really appreciate the movement and the moment.

• 54:37Tucker Carlson?

  The Winnie Mandela of Minnesota, necklacing her enemies. Yeah.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 54:43Tucker Carlson?

  And it, of course, changed the country forever.

• 54:47Tucker Carlson?

  So, but it did, but the, the response felt coordinated. I guess that's what I'm saying. Was it?

• 54:56Speaker 02

  You, you did. You had planes filled with people coming in shortly after protesters.

• 55:02Tucker Carlson?

  Planes filled with?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Planes filled with people. I've spoken to people that work at the airport that have told me about that. People that would just, a lot of young kids. We had people at our house who admitted to us that they came from Oregon. They had no idea who we were. They were holding signs in our neighborhood, but they got a free weekend at a hotel. So they came to our, you know, suburban neighborhood to hold a sign in front of our yard.

• 55:24Tucker Carlson?

  Who paid for all this?

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Well, and that's what's always bothered me as a reporter. Also, this is all, these are all things you can track down. You know, these are all public, public documents. But yes, these left wing groups, George Soros had a role. That's pretty clear. And many of these, these groups that, you know, popped up, Black Lives Matter, played a, played a big role in all of this. You know, again, you follow the money, you follow the power, and that's kind of where the truth usually, usually is.

• 55:54Tucker Carlson?

  And Black Lives Matter got its funding mostly from corporate America, I think.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  Yes. No, and many Minnesota corporations, you know, fed, fed into that. You see some of that going, going away now, thankfully. But you had George Floyd Memorial Field at Target Field, where the Minnesota Twins play.

• 56:11Tucker Carlson?

  Not really.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Really? For years.

• 56:14Tucker Carlson?

  The drug addict porn star armed robber, they named the field after him?

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:18Tucker Carlson?

  He's the civic hero in Minnesota now?

• 56:19Speaker 02

  They had a banner. Again, thankfully, that's now been taken down, but.

• 56:23Tucker Carlson?

  But they called it George Floyd Memorial Field?

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 56:28Tucker Carlson?

  Hmm. The Episcopal Cathedral in San Francisco, where I was baptized, I visited it shortly after that, and they had a St. George Floyd.

• 56:39Tucker Carlson?

  Penance that you could, you could kind of hang in your house, little icon.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  It's crazy. I mean, even that area, 38th and Chicago, most of the businesses are gone. In fact, talk about irony, the businesses are suing the city of Minneapolis for a lack of police presence in that, that area. You've had skyrocketing crime since, um, you know, this, the mantra was that we'd be living on the right side of history. This is what we were told over and over again, whether it be our governor, the mayor, the police chief, this is the right side of history. And I've yet to find anyone who actually thinks that we're living there.

• 57:16Tucker Carlson?

  At the, at the time, so the trial, the riots happened, how many people died during the riots, do you recall?

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Um, it's been reported about five or six, but again, do you tie them just to the, the most expensive riots in, in US history, 1500 businesses, uh, either damaged or destroyed in, in the wake of them.

• 57:35Tucker Carlson?

  Then the trial happens. Does anybody in Minneapolis in any position of authority or in the media say, hey, wait a second, there's no evidence that these cops killed this guy?

• 57:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:47Tucker Carlson?

  Nobody said that?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  No. My, my husband, we saw, we saw what happened to, to him and he just, you know, he's a believer of due process. He's a, you know, this is, they obviously had attorneys, but even the attorneys representing these officers were not very vocal, um, in, in all of this. It's almost like the truth just didn't stand.

• 58:08Tucker Carlson?

  So one of the lessons is, and this is just the ugliest feature of human nature, but if, if someone or something becomes super unpopular, only an infinitesimally small number of people are brave enough to, to stand up and tell the truth. Like if the, once the mob forms, almost everybody goes along with it. Was that, did you know that before this happened?

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Not on this level. No. And that's why I kept speaking up. I kept going, well, hey, there's this, hey, let's do this story. Hey, there's, and then it just became very clear to me like this is scary. This is scary. This is what, you know, the world has turned into. This is what the media has turned into.

• 58:48Tucker Carlson?

  This is, they just lynched these guys.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:50Tucker Carlson?

  And everyone kind of posed with pictures of the corpse. Like it's just exactly what you read about in dark times long ago. And it happens in Minneapolis, like the most civilized American city we've ever had. The most polite city in the world.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  You have the mayor crying at, you know, George Floyd's casket at his funeral. People couldn't gather for COVID, but yet George Floyd had a highly attended funeral and you could protest in a riot that was encouraged.

• 59:18Tucker Carlson?

  George Floyd's dead and I already said I felt sorry for him watching the video because he knew he was dying and like, it's scary, you know, for people who haven't prepared for it, I think. But is there any evidence now that we know more about George Floyd, the man, that George Floyd ever did anything to improve our society or help anybody else? Or did any virtuous redeeming things ever?

• 59:39Speaker 02

  No, there's actually been so much that has not been reported about him. I mean, clearly he was an addict. He struggled as an addict for most of his adult life. He spent most of his adult life in and out of prison. That's documented. But even his, he was from St. Louis Park. He didn't even live in Minneapolis. He lived in St. Louis Park, a suburb with his roommates. And his roommates have talked about how his family never even came to gather his personal belongings. They were just left there. His car was still there. I mean, like a year later.

• 1:00:11Tucker Carlson?

  His family all got rich, right?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  They were paid $27 million during Derek Chauvin's jury selection. They were awarded $27 million. What do you think kind of message that sent to the jury being seated at that

• 1:00:25Tucker Carlson?

  Why hasn't Trump pardoned him?

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  You know, it's a little bit more complicated. There were rumors about that perhaps happening, but then he would be brought back to a state facility where he'd be in, you know, he'd be in solitary confinement for sure.

• 1:00:41Tucker Carlson?

  So even if the president pardoned him on federal charges, he'd still be in

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  He has a concurrent state, state sentence. And they've all, can't find enough microphones to talk about how they can't wait for that to happen because they would love him to serve every last hour in Minnesota. Of course.

• 1:00:56Tucker Carlson?

  Why not send the National Guard in and just liberate him with, by force? I mean, this is like, this is insane that we would allow something like this.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, he has, at this point, more than 15 years left on his sentence.

• 1:01:08Tucker Carlson?

  Federal?

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  They are concurrent sentences. So yes.

• 1:01:12Tucker Carlson?

  How old is he?

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  At this point, he would be.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, that's a, you might have to edit this out.

• 1:01:20Tucker Carlson?

  He's a middle-aged man.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Tucker Carlson?

  So he'll be an elderly man by the time he gets out.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he would be in his 60s by the time of his release. Most of his life gone, for sure.

• 1:01:31Tucker Carlson?

  But so back to George Floyd, who was, so George Floyd spent most of his life in and out of prison. He was a drug addict. He appeared in a porn film. It's too perfect. He was at one point convicted of armed robbery where he stuck a gun in the belly of a pregnant woman, am I misremembering this?

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  That, that's right. He committed a home invasion.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  It doesn't seem to be clear that she was pregnant, but yeah, pretty awful person, I think, capable of doing, doing that at all.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  But he came then to Minneapolis and I know he was fired from a couple of jobs. He was working and basically hooking up with, with people. At one job that he had, people addicts and bringing them back to his home, something that's not allowed. And in fact, in the book, I detail, he was the suspect in a couple of rapes in Minnesota, where that evidence has mysteriously disappeared.

• 1:02:30Tucker Carlson?

  What? What does that mean to be a suspect in rapes? Like the police?

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  The police were investigating. He was being accused of rape.

• 1:02:45Tucker Carlson?

  And this was the hero after whom they named the ballpark?

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Still shocking to this day, but is this how far we've fallen as a society? What has happened to the moral compass?

• 1:02:57Tucker Carlson?

  It's not even a fall. It's like, uh, it's an attack.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:01Tucker Carlson?

  Not by, you know, the population itself, but by its leaders trying to invert virtue and make you worship a rapist. And St. George Floyd, if they can make you worship. Someone like that, the lowest person in your society, like truly the lowest stupid, criminal, violent, selfish, addicts are selfish by definition. If that's the hero, they can make you worship, then they just, they flip the society upside down and they destroy it.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Governor Walz, at one point, asked for all public schools' kids to, you know, be silent for nine minutes and 29 seconds, you know, the timeframe. He did that in a

• 1:03:44Tucker Carlson?

  Did they do that?

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Declaration. Many people I heard from did not.

• 1:03:47Tucker Carlson?

  But they, they literally, the public schools are required to worship George Floyd.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:03:54Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. A couple of the threads I just want to get to. So you're, I think you're a rigorous, honest person. Do you see any way an honest jury or an honest process could result in the conviction of Chauvin and the other three?

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  No. I mean, if our judicial system is what it says it is, when you're presented with all of the evidence and all of the facts, and you take out all of the manipulation, the fear mongering. Again, you had even Chauvin's trial, armed guards are standing by, the Hennepin County Courthouse is, you know, being patrolled by this militia. And in a sense, there are all these dispensing is put up around the building. The jury is not sequestered for the trial. You have these mobs of people out protesting every day. I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to say, yeah, this guy is innocent, because then I'm going to probably be protested, or killed, or lose my job, or whatever it is in the fallout.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Again, I had nothing, really nothing to do with this. And I was, you know, demoted and canceled and I mean-

• 1:05:05Tucker Carlson?

  I just don't see how Ted Cruz and the rest can say that Iran is the biggest threat to a country in which things like this are happening. This is the threat. The attack on truth and fairness, decency, the love of people for each other, the cohesiveness of your society's citizenship.

• 1:05:22Tucker Carlson?

  Virtue, like all of it is, is dying because it's being overwhelmed by evil. And yet you look, you know, your focus is outside the country on some theoretical threat.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  We wish somebody would come to Minnesota and save us, Tucker.

• 1:05:36Tucker Carlson?

  No, but it's just like, look, I'm not saying Iran's not badly for Iran or for them having a nuclear weapon, but compared to what, like this is our country and this happened and no one's ever apologized, no one's ever been held accountable. The guys who didn't do the crime are still in prison. It's like, it's crazy that this could happen because fairness really matters. If your society's not fair, it's not worth defending.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  You know, even speaking to two Tao's family, they are a family of refugees. They're both of sets of their parents came to America and they talked about that with me.

• 1:06:08Tucker Carlson?

  They picked the wrong country.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  And they said that this is not what we thought America was.

• 1:06:12Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, okay, I didn't think that either and I was born here. No, I agree.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, sorry for the editorial, the constant editorializing. It's just what you're saying is so, and the way you're saying it, which is like flat, just the facts, ma'am. It's driving me insane. I can't, how could you still live there?

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  Job security, Tucker.

• 1:06:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Good point. If you're one of five reporters in the entire state, like you're, you'll work forever. Amazing. So who is Tim Walz exactly? Most of us, I just want to say, I think he's like, should be investigated by the sex crimes unit. I really feel that way.

• 1:06:51Tucker Carlson?

  You don't, I'm not asking to comment on that, but he's one of the creepiest people I've ever seen. The vibe I get off that guy, I would not let him in my house. That's just my feeling. Maybe I'm being totally unfair, in which case I apologize. But you have the facts, I don't. Who is this guy?

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so much of this has happened on the watch of Governor Walz. Again, I'm talking about, I've lived in Minnesota for most of my life at this, this point as a reporter there for 20 years. I have just never, born there, born, raised, spent a little time outside of the state and been back for 20 years now. But I've just never seen, um, you know, this kind of, I don't even know if you can call it leadership. I'm not exactly sure. Manipulation by, by a leader.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Again, we've talked about this capital of chaos. This has all been under his watch. But we've done so much reporting over at Alpha News with the truth of this guy. It was interesting to see others finally report about him because the local media will not when he was picked as the VP candidate for Kamala Harris. But it started sort of with picking up on just these little lies he would tell. And this is, these are things that we would report on. He did not, you know, he never was a command sergeant major, despite the fact him, you know, saying that that he was, he never attained this rank in the military. Instead, he abandoned his troops and they were deployed to Iraq without him and he ran for Congress.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  So I've always felt as a reporter, if someone lies about little things, they're lying about big things. I think that's just, you know.

• 1:08:32Tucker Carlson?

  That's a principle that stands the test of time.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  And I, you kind of would just see this with, with little things that he would say that was just not reality. But Minnesota has become, you know, the, the home of this defund the police movement. It was on the ballot. Minneapolis did not vote to defund the police, but I would say in every way, shape or form, they defunded the police. You have Minneapolis Police Department that's lost about 40% of their cops since George Floyd. But instead of being a-

• 1:09:02Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, Minneapolis lost 40% of its cops in five years?

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  Nearly, nearly half, yeah. And I actually think we're just now getting to the point of, you thought there were problems with the police five years ago? Just wait until you see some of these people that are coming up on the job.

• 1:09:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, who's gonna be a cop now?

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  Exactly. It's pretty horrifying. And I don't blame any of these people for, for leaving. You get to go to-

• 1:09:25Tucker Carlson?

  But there's gonna be hiring criminals. It'll just be a criminal gang. That's happened before.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  So under walls, we have the riots. We have these, these lies just about things with his background that I think really deserve more-

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Attention, more investigating these ties to China, which I think are troubling.

• 1:09:44Tucker Carlson?

  What ties does he have to China?

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  Well, he, we know himself, he said that he's made more than 30 trips to China. He went there upon graduating.

• 1:09:54Tucker Carlson?

  30 trips to China?

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Went there upon graduating.

• 1:09:57Tucker Carlson?

  That's a long flight and he's, I mean, he's spent his life, it's like a school teacher.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  From Nebraska originally.

• 1:10:04Tucker Carlson?

  What is he, what is the school teacher from Nebraska doing, making 30 trips to China?

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  And in the National Guard at the time as well, making these trips to China.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  We also know he started a.

• 1:10:17Tucker Carlson?

  But what, what, what was, what's that?

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Travel agency.

• 1:10:19Tucker Carlson?

  Really expensive, it's time consuming. It's not something that happens, you don't go to China 30 times unless you have a real reason to do that. What would that reason be?

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  He was taking kids over there at one point as a travel agency. But what's interesting is I've.

• 1:10:34Tucker Carlson?

  Who let their kids travel with Tim Walz?

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  I've spoken to a few of them that they're obviously older now. They were in their twenties when they would make these trips in college. One student in particular is very interesting. He said that he'd been trying to get the attention of the media about this guy for, for years. He said he would go there on these trips and collect the little red Mao book. He would buy as many as he could on these trips, saying that they were, you know, souvenirs. Tim Walz would, and he said he, it was very apparent, he just had this.

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  He adored communism and would talk about it in conversation. The, the students could pick, pick up on that.

• 1:11:12Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  And this student tried, even when he was running for Congress, to say, there's more to this guy that you guys need to be.

• 1:11:19Tucker Carlson?

  Mao killed so many more people than Hitler that it's not even close.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:22Tucker Carlson?

  Not a defensive Hitler, who was evil.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:24Tucker Carlson?

  But Mao is the greatest mass murderer in history.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  He's also married, his, his, his wedding anniversary, they were married five years after Tiananmen Square. And he picked that date because it was a date that they would remember, he and his wife.

• 1:11:38Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Who does that?

• 1:11:39Tucker Carlson?

  Tiananmen Square?

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:11:42Tucker Carlson?

  The tank crushing the lone protester, that's.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  Their wedding anniversary and they went to China for their honeymoon.

• 1:11:48Tucker Carlson?

  Come on.

• 1:11:51Tucker Carlson?

  I was, I was in this country during that campaign. It was less than a year ago. I never heard anybody say that.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  But again, you have in Minnesota, what has happened. We have a new state flag.

• 1:12:01Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, wait, do you think, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm just mesmerized by this.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  There's a lot of questions. I agree.

• 1:12:05Tucker Carlson?

  Questions?

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. But the problem is there's not anybody looking for answers, it seems like.

• 1:12:10Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they want to kill themselves. So that's, they're, they're doing a great job. Um, I get it. I mean, ultimately, I just have to say this as a white man, I do blame the liberal whites. They want to kill themselves and their kids. That's, that's what they're into. I don't know what it's, you see it in Britain. So I'm not into suicide. So I'm opposed, but they're the ones doing this. And Walls is a perfect example. So, but why would he, you, you're sure he picked the anniversary?

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  They've talked about this in interviews. Yeah. This is in newspapers.

• 1:12:40Tucker Carlson?

  Tiananmen Square was a massacre of peaceful protesters.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:12:44Tucker Carlson?

  Was, do you think they picked it to like, in the memory of those brave souls who died opposing the machine?

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  They haven't said that.

• 1:12:52Tucker Carlson?

  My God!

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  And what's interesting is, again, we're focusing over at, at Alpha News on these stories. There's supposed to be a congressional hearing about all of this and it's kind of just gone nowhere. Sadly, we also know, I've, I've spoken to a couple of people that served with Tim Walls in Nebraska in that guard unit. And they suspect, and we've done stories and tried to reach out to Walls for, for comment, but they suspect that perhaps he took their standard operating procedure, the SOP for the Howitzer Army tank. He was assigned to this tank, the nuclear, it was nuclear capable. And this was all laid out in the SOP that goes missing while he's there.

• 1:13:35Tucker Carlson?

  The manual goes missing?

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Right. And they had talked to the FBI about, about this as well. There's so many questions.

• 1:13:42Tucker Carlson?

  Why did they talk to the FBI?

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  They think that he was traveling back and forth from China at this time. And then we also know that this Howitzer.

• 1:13:50Tucker Carlson?

  Wait.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  I know I sound crazy right now.

• 1:13:52Tucker Carlson?

  No, you're, you don't sound crazy at all. You're recounting the facts.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:56Tucker Carlson?

  You are saying that men he worked with in the National Guard in Nebraska went to the FBI because they believed he had given classified military secrets to the Chinese government?

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  They suspect that he did and

• 1:14:11Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they suspected the point they went to the FBI.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Well, this was all when he, when all these stories are coming out finally about his background and they're like, maybe we should talk about this. These are guys that back then didn't report this. This was in the early 90s and they always talked about it amongst themselves. And I think that they weren't completely aware of, you know, the potential threat something like this could, could pose, but they always thought this was very strange. And then China started producing almost a carbon copy of this military tank a couple of years later.

• 1:14:43Tucker Carlson?

  Come on.

• 1:14:45Tucker Carlson?

  For real?

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  According to all of our research.

• 1:14:49Tucker Carlson?

  Did the Minneapolis Star Tribune break this story?

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, no. They haven't touched much of this. In fact, actually, when they reported it's, uh, Tim Walz goes to China with these kids and it's this great travel company he started. I think it was a very small story even addressing this at all.

• 1:15:09Tucker Carlson?

  And he chose to be married on the fifth anniversary of a massacre of peaceful protesters.

• 1:15:16Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, man, this is super dark.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  I realize too that it's, some of it seems like impossible to believe, but again, being trained as a reporter, I know how this works. You talk to people, you verify things, you source things, and I feel very confident always in all of our information. And that's what is always so frustrating to me that this should be, this should be the front page of the Star Tribune basically every day. Uh, but instead the Star Tribune is run by a former commissioner of Governor Walz. Uh, he's the CEO and publisher and it's, um, it's truly unbelievable. Those, the stories they put out, it's just turned into pure propaganda.

• 1:15:50Tucker Carlson?

  The Star Tribune is run by a former Walz commissioner?

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  It is. Steve Groves was his commissioner for, for years. And I don't think this relationship actually exists anywhere in the country between a governor and a publisher of the largest newspaper. Uh, but somehow in Minnesota, that's allowed.

• 1:16:09Tucker Carlson?

  Votes? So Minnesota has not thrived under the leadership of Tim Walz. It's gotten much worse.

• 1:16:17Tucker Carlson?

  You were telling me today about people you know, and I know people too, who've moved from Minnesota to Iowa.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Tucker Carlson?

  And no offense to Iowa, it's like the nicest, you know, the nicest people in the world. It also has the worst weather of any state. You know, it's totally flat. Minnesota is just beautiful. Again, I'm not beating up on Iowa, I really do love Iowa, spent a lot of time there, but, you know, Minnapp, I mean, Minnesota is kind of the dream. Iowa's like sturdy farm people and all that. If you're, if you're seeing a migration from Minnesota to Iowa, Minnesota is in serious trouble. Is this fair?

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  Oh, thousands of people have, have left, tens of thousands of people have left Minnesota.

• 1:16:56Tucker Carlson?

  Crazy.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  I know so many people, even in my neighborhood, that have, that have moved.

• 1:17:02Tucker Carlson?

  So it's gotten so much worse under this guy who got married on the fifth anniversary of Tiananmen Square because he loves the idea of tanks mowing over protesters. Who votes for him? How does he get elected in the state?

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Well, this is what's interesting.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  The last time a Republican has held a statewide office in Minnesota was 2006.

• 1:17:27Tucker Carlson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  It's been a while.

• 1:17:28Tucker Carlson?

  Palenti or who was that?

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tim, Tim Palenti, when he was elected as, as governor. We saw the, the House get a little closer in the legislature this time around, but the last time we had a DFL trifecta for the first time in.

• 1:17:43Tucker Carlson?

  For people who aren't familiar, we explain what DFL is.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  So that's the Democratic Farm and, Farm and Labor, DFL, the Democratic Party.

• 1:17:50Tucker Carlson?

  The Democratic Party, but your state.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:53Tucker Carlson?

  Is different in lots of ways and that's.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, it is. But I always have said that with Minnesota, you have a couple of blue cities, but the state is very red, probably more red now than ever before, even.

• 1:18:05Tucker Carlson?

  Minnesota was Democrat, but like in a, in a German Scandinavian, you know, sort of working class, but clean upright.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  Not in a radical way.

• 1:18:14Tucker Carlson?

  At all, like very old fashioned.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:18:17Tucker Carlson?

  Labor Democrats of the kind that I kind of love. I don't think we disagree on much. And how did it become neoliberal nihilistic?

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Well, that's even my husband talks about this. He grew up as a Democrat. His dad was an electrician, his union, working class. That's how it worked. That has totally changed.

• 1:18:36Tucker Carlson?

  These are not polyamory Democrats. These are not ayahuasca Democrats.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  You have like a city council, though, in Minneapolis that primarily is they are socialist. They are self proclaimed socialists that are running the city council of Minneapolis. But we've just seen it go more and more to the left each and every year. But even even Walls, I will say that I don't think people were completely familiar with his background when he was elected.

• 1:19:04Tucker Carlson?

  So who backed him? You don't just get elected to statewide office anywhere by yourself.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Well, the DFL has all the money. I mean, it's like 10 to one, 100 to one. It's unbelievable what they can they can spend. But it is a lot of out of

• 1:19:16Tucker Carlson?

  Where are they getting their money? Out of state?

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Money. Yes. Yeah. Very little, actually, locally. And

• 1:19:25Tucker Carlson?

  So Minnesota, like every other place in the country, is just like totally dominated by out of state leftists, billionaires who hate America, want to destroy it.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  That's what I think is is so telling. You have Keith Ellison, not from Minnesota. He's, you know, the law enforcement officer for for the state. Tim Walz, Frye, a lot of these people, and they've done so much damage in a pretty short amount of time.

• 1:19:48Tucker Carlson?

  So they're all from out of state. They're all paid by donors from out of state. None of this has anything to do with Minnesota. And they completely taken over your state and changed it utterly, packed it with immigrants, by the way, changed the the nature of who lives there, the demographics of it completely. And and none of it was organic. Like, it wasn't like the people of Minnesota asked for this. It wasn't democracy.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's always this like Minnesota nice. I'm sure you've probably heard that.

• 1:20:17Tucker Carlson?

  There's nice people live there.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  But Minnesota naive. I'm like, are we really that naive? I mean, I can, I'm not that naive, which is why I'm trying to, you know, do something about it.

• 1:20:26Tucker Carlson?

  They're very passive.

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, you know, it's this land of 10,000 lakes that seems to have turned into the land of 10,000 lies. So many lies, sadly.

• 1:20:39Tucker Carlson?

  Who's Keith Ellison?

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Well, quite a bit about him in my book as well, but when we talk about even just this war on the police that has been waged in Minneapolis across the state of Minnesota. He was an attorney who came to Minnesota and represented gang members decades ago. In fact, represented a gang member who was responsible for executing a Minneapolis police officer, Jerry Hoff. He was involved in that. It's hard to believe, I think, by any cops in the state. However, he was elected to be our Attorney General.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  But is very anti-law enforcement, that's clear. Besides the four-

• 1:21:30Tucker Carlson?

  And what's his job now?

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  He's the Attorney General of Minnesota.

• 1:21:33Tucker Carlson?

  So he's the chief law enforcement officer in the state, but he's very anti-law enforcement?

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:21:37Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:21:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:39Tucker Carlson?

  It's like a vegetarian butcher, it just doesn't work?

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  Actually makes no sense at all. But in addition to these four officers, there was another female officer criminally charged and another Minneapolis police officer criminally charged as well. So this is six police officers charged. They tried to charge another Minnesota state trooper criminally recently, and the charges were dropped. We also lost, in the line of duty, five first responders. One was a firefighter, paramedic, in a matter of 13 months in Minnesota.

• 1:22:13Tucker Carlson?

  Lost, what do you mean?

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  They, you have just this anti-law enforcement rhetoric-

• 1:22:18Tucker Carlson?

  They were murdered?

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  Murdered on the job.

• 1:22:20Tucker Carlson?

  Five?

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  In a matter of a year, basically. Mm-hmm. Again, something that people don't-

• 1:22:26Tucker Carlson?

  Did anyone name a ballpark after any of them?

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:22:29Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So this is nihilists from out of state who hate the United States, hate Christianity, who are trying to invert our society and destroy it. And I'm not saying it's the Chinese, but like- I don't know. I don't know what this is, but it's not bubbling up from the people of Minnesota, is it?

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  No, in fact, I have never, I struggle sometimes finding people that will say openly that they even support Walls. As a reporter, it's really shocking to me. I was actually trying to help some news crews that were in town, saying, okay, well, maybe go to this festival or that. They were struggling to find people to go on camera that even, you know, would openly admit to supporting him. In fact, his home area in Mankato, where he lived for 20 years, they voted for Trump and Walls was on the ticket with Kamala. So what does that tell you?

• 1:23:19Tucker Carlson?

  Who's going to be governor next?

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  So that's a great question. He's likely running again.

• 1:23:25Tucker Carlson?

  Tim Walz.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  It sounds that way, gearing up to at this point.

• 1:23:29Tucker Carlson?

  Huh. You think of all the money that we spend, we spend, you know, trillion dollars a year on the military, not against the military, I guess, but I mean, maybe we could spend some of that money improving our cities or finding better leaders or something, right? It's just such a tragedy. So let's talk about Minneapolis, the city. All eyes were on it five years ago, almost exactly five years ago, the summer of 2020. And the idea was there are all these like systemic racism problems Nikki Haley told us there. And this was going to cleanse them through fire. Like, what's the city like now? You've been there, you said your whole life. Is it better?

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  It's unrecognizable in many areas, not better. Yet to find anybody who thinks the city is better. Five years later.

• 1:24:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's unrecognizable in what way?

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Businesses boarded up, people gone. There was a very bustling, I worked downtown, that's where WCCO was. And for 14 years, no problem walking around downtown. That was just part of life, vibrant, people out having lunch. It's a ghost town downtown.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  Graffiti, crime, I can't even, I can't even begin to tell you, even just, just yesterday, an 11-year-old boy shot in the middle of the day in a park, killed. Something like that would never happen. And it's daily, weekly, that these horrific things happen. They never even tracked carjackings in the city of Minneapolis before, because they just maybe won a year. In the wake of Floyd, there was, I think, 700 the year after.

• 1:25:13Tucker Carlson?

  It went from 1 to 700 in one year?

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  In just a year. They had to, and again, they have no, they have no cops. So, and you also have policies that have been so dramatically changed. It's a use of force report, basically, that they have to fill out if you handcuff a person in arresting them. You have to call a supervisor to get permission. These are things that are now put in place. You have these violence interrupter groups that have taken over for the cops that are basically just seen sitting on their phones every day. And that's where our tax dollars are going to pay for these, these groups. Many of them have connections to

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Keith Ellison. That's documented. But when I say unrecognizable, it's almost even hard to explain how different life is in Minneapolis now.

• 1:26:05Tucker Carlson?

  Do you go?

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  I go for, for work. But even, I was shooting some interviews in Minneapolis just recently, and it's not uncommon to see crime for yourself happen, just, you know, on the way. There's a, you know, somebody down, down the street being held at gunpoint for their car. I mean, I know I sound, it sounds crazy, but it really is like the wild, wild west. There was a naked man that one of my friends captured on

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  His cellphone, having lunch in downtown Minneapolis, just a naked guy walking around on the, on the street. Drug deals happening, you can see them from above in some of the, the high-rise buildings when people even do go. But it's sad. It used to be a place where you'd go see a show and, and certainly people are still doing that, but not anywhere close to, you know, what it once, what it was before.

• 1:27:04Tucker Carlson?

  Five years ago.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:05Tucker Carlson?

  This is not like in the seventies. This is five years ago.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Right. Right.

• 1:27:09Tucker Carlson?

  Is there, are there, so I'll, I'll just be totally blunt with you, Liz. I'm overwhelmed by what you've said. I'm really sad about it, even though I'm not from there. Are there any signs of hope that this slide can be arrested, that things can get better?

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  So I'm always a hopeful person and I think that's why I did jump ship and wanted to play a part in telling the truth and join independent media. And I've definitely seen more people open their eyes. At least we're willing to now have these conversations. When you have a political assassination that takes place and you're just like, how is this? This isn't the state that I grew up in. Again, seems to be unrecognizable, but I remain, I remain hopeful because it really is. It's a beautiful state, wonderful people. Made me who I am. And I think there are more of us than, than we realize.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  Sometimes you can feel a little bit out there and alone, but, but there are more of us than we realize.

• 1:28:14Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think there's any chance that the normal people who are actually from, unlike Jacob Frye, from Minnesota, like, take their state back?

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that there are many people who even five years ago, I mean, I'll just say, during the fall of Minneapolis, I mean, I couldn't even find a hairstylist or a makeup artist, because this was crazy. If you could, if you would be willing to tell the truth about this.

• 1:28:38Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you couldn't find someone to do your hair?

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  People were so, people were so afraid to attach themselves to, and it is completely different now. I mean, if you see, you know, people are willing to step up and speak out now, and that wasn't the case.

• 1:28:53Tucker Carlson?

  Whatever happened to Black Lives Matter? Do they still exist? Or they just run off with all the real estate and disappear?

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  I think they, yeah, they, they came in, made a bunch of money and, and left town. I don't.

• 1:29:03Tucker Carlson?

  Are they working to improve the lives of black people?

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it in Minneapolis.

• 1:29:09Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they were the most famous group in the world there for a while. We had to like bow down before them and wash their feet and stuff. Did they, but they just, they're gone?

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've always said that that's the, the story, right? You, black lives sadly in Minneapolis have never mattered less. I mean, this is, they've become, um, and many of them have reached out. I've done many stories. Um, their lives, they want police back. They, they want protection and they just, they don't have it anymore.

• 1:29:40Tucker Carlson?

  And also it's like, it's not even about black or white, or it's about America and you don't have a right to shoot people. You can't do that. Whether you want, your neighborhood wants police presence or not, it's kind of not up to you. We don't put up with murder here because we're a civilized country. That's my view. Last question, if people are interested in following your reporting, where do they find it?

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  So thefallofminneapolis.com is where you can go. More information about the book and the documentary is free. You can see it right there. Um, and also we've done many follow-up stories since, um, on everything that's taken place in Minneapolis. You'll find it on that website. Liz Collin on X is where you can find my reporting and alpha news.org. Um, a team of independent reporters in Minnesota working to uncover all of this.

• 1:30:22Tucker Carlson?

  Bless you for doing it. Uh, I'm sure it's thankless a lot of the time, but I think it's important to tell the truth. Whether it's acknowledged as true at the time, you are creating a documentary record that at the very least historians can assess to find out what really happened. And I just think objectively that matters. Like you want the truth out there. It's a good thing. Always.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tucker.

• 1:30:41Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you. Liz Collin. I appreciate it.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:30:49Tucker Carlson?

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